RE: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 09:13, Udo Rader wrote: > Am Die, 2002-06-18 um 15.35 schrieb Borsenkow Andrej: > > > today/yesterday a new version of both the jre and jsdk came out > > > (1.4.0_01-b03 binary release). one of the "bugs" resolved is the now > > > support for glibc-2.2.5, so theoretically that should solve the issue. > > > > > > > glibc-2.2.5 != gcc-3.1.1. So theoretically it has nothing to do with > > original problem. > > On the other hand I don't think that redhat (for whom they fixed the bug > for) offers a glibc-2.2.5 that is compiled with any gcc<3.x (but thats > guessing and thus "theoretically" :-). glibc is a C, not C++, thus there is no issue with name space and name mangling/resolution when using an older compiler (egcs) with it. So making mods to work with a new glibc does not require building with the same compiler. TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger
RE: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
Am Die, 2002-06-18 um 15.35 schrieb Borsenkow Andrej: > > today/yesterday a new version of both the jre and jsdk came out > > (1.4.0_01-b03 binary release). one of the "bugs" resolved is the now > > support for glibc-2.2.5, so theoretically that should solve the issue. > > > > glibc-2.2.5 != gcc-3.1.1. So theoretically it has nothing to do with > original problem. On the other hand I don't think that redhat (for whom they fixed the bug for) offers a glibc-2.2.5 that is compiled with any gcc<3.x (but thats guessing and thus "theoretically" :-). udo
RE: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
> On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 08:35, Borsenkow Andrej wrote: > > > > today/yesterday a new version of both the jre and jsdk came out > > > (1.4.0_01-b03 binary release). one of the "bugs" resolved is the now > > > support for glibc-2.2.5, so theoretically that should solve the issue. > > > > glibc-2.2.5 != gcc-3.1.1. So theoretically it has nothing to do with > > original problem. > > So all we need is a statically linked JVM, right, or am I > misunderstanding the issue entirely? Probably. The problem is conflict between pre-gcc-3.1 C++ runtime system used by JVM and new one used by gcc-3.1. They cannot be (always) mixed in one executable. Glibc has nothing to do with it. When java is started as separate process (like on conqueror) instead of being loaded into process (like in Mozilla) you do not have any problem. -andrej
RE: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 08:35, Borsenkow Andrej wrote: > > today/yesterday a new version of both the jre and jsdk came out > > (1.4.0_01-b03 binary release). one of the "bugs" resolved is the now > > support for glibc-2.2.5, so theoretically that should solve the issue. > > glibc-2.2.5 != gcc-3.1.1. So theoretically it has nothing to do with > original problem. So all we need is a statically linked JVM, right, or am I misunderstanding the issue entirely? -- Brad Felmey
RE: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
> today/yesterday a new version of both the jre and jsdk came out > (1.4.0_01-b03 binary release). one of the "bugs" resolved is the now > support for glibc-2.2.5, so theoretically that should solve the issue. > glibc-2.2.5 != gcc-3.1.1. So theoretically it has nothing to do with original problem. -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
today/yesterday a new version of both the jre and jsdk came out (1.4.0_01-b03 binary release). one of the "bugs" resolved is the now support for glibc-2.2.5, so theoretically that should solve the issue. but I haven't had time to try it. udo p.s.: still trying to compile the monster from sources, but I think I'll wait till the new patched version is available as source as well. Am Die, 2002-06-18 um 14.47 schrieb Brad Felmey: > On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 16:23, Roger wrote: > > > dunno...maybe if redhat & mandrakesoft,and all the other distro's write > > a letter(s) to SUN asking them to recompile for gcc-3.1, they just might > > do soas doing so would promote & guarantee their JAVA to be used > > within Linux. The sooner SUN gets the word about this, the sooner it'll > > get done. > > Not a bad idea about distros writing a unified letter. Sun does already > know about it, though. It was entered in their bug-tracking system, and > some nitwit closed it with "we don't support mozilla". > > The only difference between Sun and Microsoft is market share. >:-( > -- > Brad Felmey > >
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 16:23, Roger wrote: > dunno...maybe if redhat & mandrakesoft,and all the other distro's write > a letter(s) to SUN asking them to recompile for gcc-3.1, they just might > do soas doing so would promote & guarantee their JAVA to be used > within Linux. The sooner SUN gets the word about this, the sooner it'll > get done. Not a bad idea about distros writing a unified letter. Sun does already know about it, though. It was entered in their bug-tracking system, and some nitwit closed it with "we don't support mozilla". The only difference between Sun and Microsoft is market share. >:-( -- Brad Felmey
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 Jun 2002 8:41 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:15:19 +0200 > > Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However, I somehow do not think that Sun will release a special > > gcc-3.1 Mandrake edition of their JDK. > > It would not Be mandrake only. > > If you look at the main component structure for UnitedLinux you will > find gcc-3.1. > I take that to indicate that the member distros,(SuSE, Calera, Turbo, > and Conectiva) will in their future releases also be using gcc-3.1. > If you add their numbers to that of mandrake you well exceed those of > RH. > For Sun to ignore this would be a very poor business decision on their > part. While we are discussing Java, is there a reason the sun JDK is not already included with mandrake? I know it isnt open source, but netscape 4 was (still is?) included. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9CFBEXCpWOla2mCcRAmVoAKCR9xeNmglbVTha1FOzSSRvqAtMKACffjCj USQCfGCxyZRJsFSmTQHMzw0= =EbM3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
> So sprach Udo Rader am 2002-06-15 um 18:18:13 +0200 : >> In general I doubt that "normal" users would be happy with having to > > Yes, that's true - but that's what PLF is for ;) Nope, neither. At least, not with MDK resources. On _your_ belief if you want.
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
So sprach Udo Rader am 2002-06-15 um 18:18:13 +0200 : > In general I doubt that "normal" users would be happy with having to Yes, that's true - but that's what PLF is for ;) Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de |Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 17 hours 10 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On Sat, 2002-06-15 at 11:18, Udo Rader wrote: > In order to get it build with gcc 3.1.1, I had to patch 3 files: > - hotspot/src/share/vm/opto/loopnode.hpp > - hotspot/src/share/vm/prims/jvmdi.cpp > - hotspot/src/share/vm/c1/c1_FrameMap.hpp > > After that I ran into a linker problem, that I'm not able to solve: > > CUT > >/usr/local/src/development/langs/java/jscsl140/control/build/linux-athlon/tmp/sun/java.net/net/obj/linux_close.o: > In function `closefd': > >/usr/local/src/development/langs/java/jscsl140/control/build/linux-athlon/tmp/sun/java.net/net/obj/linux_close.o(.text+0x156): > undefined reference to `pthread_kill' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > CUT > > Did you run into the same problems (and how did you solve the linker > issue?) I didn't get that far (had the compile errors, and no time to debug yet). Could you send me the source patches? > In general I doubt that "normal" users would be happy with having to > compile java from sources in order to get the plugin working for their > mozilla, even if there was a skeleton-spec and patchfile that easened > it. Besides the hour it takes to compile, AFAIK you also need > mozilla-sources to build the plugin, so that is even more complicated I think you can get what you need with the mozilla-devel package. Not sure, haven't gotten that far, yet. Once you/we have the procedure all figured out, maybe a mini-HOWTO is in order. And/Or maybe send the patches to Sun with the suggestion that they make a 3.x compiled version available. TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger Mandrake Linux release 8.3 (Cooker) for i586 2.4.19-pre10 (gcc version 3.0.4) SMP Two 1.47GHz AMD Athlon Processors, 512M RAM, 5852.35 Bogomips Total Uptime 7 days 11 hours 7 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
hi, I just tried to compile it using your (modifed) settings, but ran into major problems: In order to get it build with gcc 3.1.1, I had to patch 3 files: - hotspot/src/share/vm/opto/loopnode.hpp - hotspot/src/share/vm/prims/jvmdi.cpp - hotspot/src/share/vm/c1/c1_FrameMap.hpp After that I ran into a linker problem, that I'm not able to solve: CUT /usr/local/src/development/langs/java/jscsl140/control/build/linux-athlon/tmp/sun/java.net/net/obj/linux_close.o: In function `closefd': /usr/local/src/development/langs/java/jscsl140/control/build/linux-athlon/tmp/sun/java.net/net/obj/linux_close.o(.text+0x156): undefined reference to `pthread_kill' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status CUT Did you run into the same problems (and how did you solve the linker issue?) In general I doubt that "normal" users would be happy with having to compile java from sources in order to get the plugin working for their mozilla, even if there was a skeleton-spec and patchfile that easened it. Besides the hour it takes to compile, AFAIK you also need mozilla-sources to build the plugin, so that is even more complicated ... udo Am Fre, 2002-06-14 um 19.25 schrieb Gwenole Beauchesne: > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Alexander Skwar wrote: > > > Hmm, I also just tried to build it - what are the "DEVTOOLS" the j2sdk > > needs? > > [gb@no po]$ cat ~/hotspot/make.sh > make ALT_MOTIF_DIR=/usr/X11R6 > ALT_BOOTDIR=/home/gb/hotspot/JDK1.4/usr/lib/jdk-1.4.0 ALT_DEVTOOLS_PATH=/ > ALT_JAVAWS_PATH=/home/gb/hotspot/JDK1.4/usr/lib/jre-1.4.0 > HOTSPOT_BUILD_JOBS=3 MILESTONE=beta BUILD_NUMBER=mdk1 > ALT_MOZILLA_PATH=/home/gb/hotspot/mozilla $* > > BTW, they built with mozilla 0.9.5 headers. It just happens to still work > at runtime. :) > > > And how did you patch the Makefile, so that it accepts Cooker and gcc > > 3.1.1? > > Look at jdk/j2se/make/common/Sanity.gmk > Change CC_VER to use $(CC) -dumpversion > Change OS_VERSION to get 4th field of /etc/mandrake-release > > Also arrange further uses/tests of those variables. > > > And last - the build instructions say that there are motif 2.1 > > sources included with the src package. Is that true? > > I don't know, I used Lesstif as a replacement. Or, I hope it used the > ALT_MOTIF_DIR I requested. > > Bye, > Gwenole. > >
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 12:25, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Alexander Skwar wrote: > > And last - the build instructions say that there are motif 2.1 > > sources included with the src package. Is that true? > > I don't know, I used Lesstif as a replacement. Or, I hope it used the > ALT_MOTIF_DIR I requested. j2sdk-1_4_0-motif-linux-i386.zip j2sdk-1_4_0-src-scsl.zip j2sdk-sec-1_4_0-src-scsl.zip Those are the three packages that were presented to me at the download page. I'm assuming that the first one contains the necessary motif sources. TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
÷ ðÔÎ, 14.06.2002, × 21:25, Gwenole Beauchesne ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ: > > And last - the build instructions say that there are motif 2.1 > > sources included with the src package. Is that true? > > I don't know, I used Lesstif as a replacement. Or, I hope it used the > ALT_MOTIF_DIR I requested. > It is in separate archive (there are three of them - j2sdk-src, j2sdk-motif and j2sdk-mozilla; there is j2sdk-sec, I do not know what it is). It contains Motif headers and static library; I do not know if it is OpenMotif or commercial version. -andrej
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Alexander Skwar wrote: > Hmm, I also just tried to build it - what are the "DEVTOOLS" the j2sdk > needs? [gb@no po]$ cat ~/hotspot/make.sh make ALT_MOTIF_DIR=/usr/X11R6 ALT_BOOTDIR=/home/gb/hotspot/JDK1.4/usr/lib/jdk-1.4.0 ALT_DEVTOOLS_PATH=/ ALT_JAVAWS_PATH=/home/gb/hotspot/JDK1.4/usr/lib/jre-1.4.0 HOTSPOT_BUILD_JOBS=3 MILESTONE=beta BUILD_NUMBER=mdk1 ALT_MOZILLA_PATH=/home/gb/hotspot/mozilla $* BTW, they built with mozilla 0.9.5 headers. It just happens to still work at runtime. :) > And how did you patch the Makefile, so that it accepts Cooker and gcc > 3.1.1? Look at jdk/j2se/make/common/Sanity.gmk Change CC_VER to use $(CC) -dumpversion Change OS_VERSION to get 4th field of /etc/mandrake-release Also arrange further uses/tests of those variables. > And last - the build instructions say that there are motif 2.1 > sources included with the src package. Is that true? I don't know, I used Lesstif as a replacement. Or, I hope it used the ALT_MOTIF_DIR I requested. Bye, Gwenole.
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
So sprach Gwenole Beauchesne am 2002-06-14 um 13:34:03 +0200 : > What? It works. Last time I built it was 2002/05/26. Hmm, I also just tried to build it - what are the "DEVTOOLS" the j2sdk needs? And how did you patch the Makefile, so that it accepts Cooker and gcc 3.1.1? And last - the build instructions say that there are motif 2.1 sources included with the src package. Is that true? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de |Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 hours 7 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > > Just an idea. > A good one, but i think Gwenole already tried and failed... What? It works. Last time I built it was 2002/05/26.
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
Jürgen Zimmermann wrote: >>actually i'm trying... i've downloaded the sources ( 45Mb), > > > Just for the curious: Where did you get them? http://wwws.sun.com/software/java2/index.html gabor
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
So sprach Guillaume Rousse am 2002-06-14 um 11:46:57 +0200 : > There are available from Sun, when you search them carefully :-) Do you mean the j2sdk-1_4_0-src-scsl.zip available at http://wwws.sun.com/software/java2/download.html ? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de |Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 6 hours 1 minute
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
Le Vendredi 14 Juin 2002 11:40, Jürgen Zimmermann a écrit : > > actually i'm trying... i've downloaded the sources ( 45Mb), > > Just for the curious: Where did you get them? There are available from Sun, when you search them carefully :-) > > i just didn't have the time to recompile it... > > Perhaps we could create a "skeleton" package: just the spec file and the > patches needed for a gcc-3.1 compile. > The sources for the jdk would not be included, due to the license > issues. Those kind of skeleton packages are already available at jpackage project, see http://jpackage.sourceforge.net, even if not meant to build from sources. > If one would like to build a jdk with gcc-3.1, s/he can get the skeleton > package and the jdk sources himself and build it... > > Just an idea. A good one, but i think Gwenole already tried and failed... -- Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
> actually i'm trying... i've downloaded the sources ( 45Mb), Just for the curious: Where did you get them? > i just didn't have the time to recompile it... Perhaps we could create a "skeleton" package: just the spec file and the patches needed for a gcc-3.1 compile. The sources for the jdk would not be included, due to the license issues. If one would like to build a jdk with gcc-3.1, s/he can get the skeleton package and the jdk sources himself and build it... Just an idea. So long, Jürgen
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
actually i'm trying... i've downloaded the sources ( 45Mb), i just didn't have the time to recompile it... bye, gabor Alexander Skwar wrote: > So sprach gabor am 2002-06-14 um 00:06:43 -0400 : > >>why don't you compile the jdk with gcc3.1? :-) > > > Well, why don't you? Since you already seem to have the sources, it > shouldn't be a big task, should it? > > Alexander Skwar
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
So sprach gabor am 2002-06-14 um 00:06:43 -0400 : > why don't you compile the jdk with gcc3.1? :-) Well, why don't you? Since you already seem to have the sources, it shouldn't be a big task, should it? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de |Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 hour 39 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
--- Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I know, this has been beaten to death. Suns > JDK won't work with a > gcc-3.1 compiled Mozilla. If I understand right, this is only a problem because of the way Mozilla uses the JDK, and doesn't affect Konqueror. If so, why not use Konq for the few times you need Java? I currently don't have a seperate JDK installed and use Konq as my fulltime browser, and just use Netscape 4 whenever I need Java (which is like never anymore), so it's the same idea, and not much of a hassle. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
why don't you compile the jdk with gcc3.1? :-) gabor Alexander Skwar wrote: > Hi. > > Yes, I know, this has been beaten to death. Suns JDK won't work with a > gcc-3.1 compiled Mozilla. > > However, I somehow do not think that Sun will release a special gcc-3.1 > Mandrake edition of their JDK. If all the distributions, and mainly > also the market leader Red Hat, would switch to gcc-3.1, then we *MIGHT* > see a gcc-3.1 JDK. But that's a pretty big if IMO. > > Also seeing that Java support in the browser is quite important for a > rather big number of people, I'd like to ask that Mozilla will be > compiled with a "compatible" version of gcc. > > Or are there any strong technical considerations which make this not a > feasible aproach? > > Alexander Skwar
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On 2002.06.13 Alexander Skwar wrote: >Am Don, 2002-06-13 um 22.38 schrieb Elijah P Newren: > >> If you look at www.distrowatch.com/redhat.plp, you'll see rawhide >> (RedHat's equivalent of cooker?) listed with gcc 3.1. As a sidenote, > >Ah, okay. Thanks. > >> Doesn't sound like too big an "if" to me; just sounds like a "when". > And while waiting for the 'when', isn't there any src-available jre that can be build with gcc-3.1 ? I'm thinkin on blackdown, or kaffe, or any other (doe shave gcj anything to say here ?). Just looked for a substitute plugin, but could not find any. Somebody knows a java-plugin substitute ? -- J.A. Magallon \ Software is like sex: It's better when it's free mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] \-- Linus Torvalds, FSF T-shirt Linux werewolf 2.4.19-pre10-jam3, Mandrake Linux 8.3 (Cooker) for i586 gcc (GCC) 3.1.1 (Mandrake Linux 8.3 3.1.1-0.4mdk)
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Charles A Edwards wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:15:19 +0200 > Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > However, I somehow do not think that Sun will release a special > > gcc-3.1 Mandrake edition of their JDK. > > It would not Be mandrake only. > > If you look at the main component structure for UnitedLinux you will > find gcc-3.1. > I take that to indicate that the member distros,(SuSE, Calera, Turbo, > and Conectiva) will in their future releases also be using gcc-3.1. > If you add their numbers to that of mandrake you well exceed those of > RH. > For Sun to ignore this would be a very poor business decision on their > part. If you look at www.distrowatch.com/redhat.plp, you'll see rawhide (RedHat's equivalent of cooker?) listed with gcc 3.1. As a sidenote, the distrowatch website was where I found out about cooker (see www.distrowatch.com/mandrake.php). I'm not sure were they get their information from, but it seems accurate to me. Also, I remember RedHat being attacked for shipping 7.0 with a "broken" compiler--gcc 2.96. Their reason for doing so was that it was closer to being standards compliant (as well as being better at optimizing), so my guess is that they'll be using gcc-3.1 pretty soon as well. > > However, I somehow do not think that Sun will release a special > > gcc-3.1 Mandrake edition of their JDK. If all the distributions, > > and mainly also the market leader Red Hat, would switch to gcc-3.1, > > then we *MIGHT* see a gcc-3.1 JDK. But that's a pretty big if IMO. Doesn't sound like too big an "if" to me; just sounds like a "when". Elijah
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:56:51 +0100 Tom Badran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While we are discussing Java, is there a reason the sun JDK is not > already included with mandrake? I know it isnt open source, but > netscape 4 was (still is?) included. Netscape is not now included. It is Available on the PowerPack or through the MandrakeClub, as is JDK. Charles
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 Jun 2002 9:01 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: > So sprach Tom Badran am 2002-06-13 um 08:56:51 +0100 : > > While we are discussing Java, is there a reason the sun JDK is not > > already included with mandrake? I know it isnt open source, but netscape > > 4 was (still is?) included. > > That's the reason - Mandrake cannot include in the GPL version of their > distribution because of license issue. Netscape 4 was the big exception > to this rule. Do they supply an rpm to mandrake club members, rather than just suns archive? Ive been looking into joining the club, but cant find a list of what packages are available to members, and as im only a student even $60 is a very big financial desicion to make. Tom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9CFNLXCpWOla2mCcRArCaAKDSKL1C9QeuJR2zWwg+vLu9gyNYvACgg68A B6pVrnJ5GllpgBDGnAiBLBA= =gqLQ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
So sprach Tom Badran am 2002-06-13 um 08:56:51 +0100 : > While we are discussing Java, is there a reason the sun JDK is not already > included with mandrake? I know it isnt open source, but netscape 4 was (still > is?) included. That's the reason - Mandrake cannot include in the GPL version of their distribution because of license issue. Netscape 4 was the big exception to this rule. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de |Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 15 hours 29 minutes
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:15:19 +0200 Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > However, I somehow do not think that Sun will release a special > gcc-3.1 Mandrake edition of their JDK. It would not Be mandrake only. If you look at the main component structure for UnitedLinux you will find gcc-3.1. I take that to indicate that the member distros,(SuSE, Calera, Turbo, and Conectiva) will in their future releases also be using gcc-3.1. If you add their numbers to that of mandrake you well exceed those of RH. For Sun to ignore this would be a very poor business decision on their part. Charles -- Men seldom show dimples to girls who have pimples. -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: [Cooker] Java and Mozilla
Alexander Skwar wrote: > You can include the Java implementation for NS6 in Mozilla. Works fine, but > takes ages to start up - it's even worse than the start up time for Java in > NS 4.x. ...which is already disgraceful... -- I bought a new computer; it came fully loaded. The warranty was for 90 days, but in 30 't'was outmoded.
