[Coworking] Re: What do you carry with you?

[Alex Hillman]

Cool study!
My iPhone is the ultimate mobile communication device, mostly because almost
my entire workflow exists online. Anywhere I can get internet, I can work.

Beyond that, I carry a Macbook Air (soon a 13" Macbook Pro) for a focus on
portability because I am moving around so much.

It's worth noting that I do keep a 24" iMac on my desk at IndyHall for
"heavy lifting" tasks.

I live a highly digital lifestyle, I haven't carried a paper/pen notebook in
4 years.

 -Alex

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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Diana Thomas wrote:

> Hi,
> As some of you know I am yet another student intrigued by coworking and
> doing my thesis on the topic of mobile work. I am in the process of
> designing a few products for this venture and was wondering what most mobile
> workers carried with them on a daily basis when you leave the house? Please
> let me know what you carry with you when you have a chance. I am interested!
>
> You can email me directly at diana.freel...@gmail.com (I recently got
> married, thus the different last name) if you don't wish to share with the
> entire group.
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> Diana
> http://di-fine.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> >
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[Coworking] Re: What do you carry with you?

[Alex Hillman]

I think I'm in a minority. :)
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Diana Thomas wrote:

> That's interesting, I feel like no matter how advanced technology becomes,
> you just can't do without the conventional notebook and pen. I've noticed a
> lot of people have them when I visited coworking sites. I guess it depends
> on what you do and how you work.
> Thanks Alex.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Alex Hillman <
> dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cool study!
>> My iPhone is the ultimate mobile communication device, mostly because
>> almost my entire workflow exists online. Anywhere I can get internet, I can
>> work.
>>
>> Beyond that, I carry a Macbook Air (soon a 13" Macbook Pro) for a focus on
>> portability because I am moving around so much.
>>
>> It's worth noting that I do keep a 24" iMac on my desk at IndyHall for
>> "heavy lifting" tasks.
>>
>> I live a highly digital lifestyle, I haven't carried a paper/pen notebook
>> in 4 years.
>>
>>  -Alex
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Diana Thomas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> As some of you know I am yet another student intrigued by coworking and
>>> doing my thesis on the topic of mobile work. I am in the process of
>>> designing a few products for this venture and was wondering what most mobile
>>> workers carried with them on a daily basis when you leave the house? Please
>>> let me know what you carry with you when you have a chance. I am interested!
>>>
>>> You can email me directly at diana.freel...@gmail.com (I recently got
>>> married, thus the different last name) if you don't wish to share with the
>>> entire group.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time.
>>>
>>> Diana
>>> http://di-fine.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[Coworking] Re: What kind of people are attracted to CoWorking and what are his/her motives?

[Alex Hillman]

Ralf,
Not sure if you got any response off list, but I wanted to see if I could
get some more clarity to what you're looking for here:

What is the ingredient of the concept that make the tipping point work like
> at IndyHall (http://indyhall.org) or others already in work?


What would YOU define our tipping point as? I think I can shed some light,
but don't want to go too far off base.

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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Ralf Lippold
wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> We are currently working on building the LockSchuppen, a CoWorking
> space in Dresden.We will focus on making Web-2.0 technologies to be
> used in order to make the time constraining daily work of
> entrepreneurs, freelancers and like-minded people easier.
>
> What is the ingredient of the concept that make the tipping point work
> like at IndyHall (http://indyhall.org) or others already in work?
>
> Best regards and many thanks to your thoughts
>
> Ralf
>
> PS.: ...follow us on http://twitter.com/LockSchuppen or check out
> http://mindbroker.de/wiki/LockSchuppen
> >
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[Coworking] Re: Headphones in the office!

[Alex Hillman]

That was awesome.

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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:

> Hi.  We made this quick short on Friday about headphones in the office to
> ward off the occasional "downsides" to coworking.
> http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=707190387635&saved
>
> Enjoy!
>
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[Coworking] Re: hourly packages vs days per month

[Alex Hillman]

"hours" become complicated to track, IMO.

But I understand your concern about some people using 5 days one week, but
then only one the next, and wanting to stay flexible.

Why not split the difference and make it something like 12 days/month? Less
complex for everyone to keep track of, and maintains the flexibility you're
gunning for.

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Emma Persky  wrote:

>
> hello
>
> we are just putting the pricing strategy for the trampery together and
> this has come op
> what are people thoughts on this. for example
>
> 100 hour package vs 3 day a week.
>
> maybe the 100 hours could be used across multiple months.
>
> I like the idea in principle - gives people more flexibility. but i
> wouldn't want something "enforced" as in clock in - clock out, that
> just seems to regimented for co working. i guess an honesty system -
> tell us when you've used your 100 hours might work...
>
> emma
>
> >
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[Coworking] Re: Shared coffee at coworking spaces?

[Alex Hillman]

We've got a coffee machine (and supply some of the best local roasters'
beans). It's one of our more manage-able variable costs, and its well worth
it IF you're getting great coffee. I can't tell you how many times our
coffee has been part of what someone recommended to a friend who was
thinking about coming.

It's funny what entices people sometimes :).

We started with a standard 12 cup pot, and upgraded once we were brewing
nonstop to a similar size, but commercial drip machine that can brew much,
much faster. One of our members upgraded his home espresso machine and
brought his old one in, which some other members enjoy.

I wouldn't dismiss the coffee pot (or a water cool) as a social/community
building tool so quickly. Having community "places" within the office, no
matter how small, provide a reason for someone to get up from their desk and
bump into/converse with someone.

We actually had some folks set up a community chess game on one of the
tables in our kitchen (near the coffee) and it's become a HUGE community
bonding experience. I won't say its because of the coffee, but without the
coffee, there's less reason for people to find themselves in a non-desk
common area than with the coffee.

-Alex, IndyHall

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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Steven Heath  wrote:

>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Raul Pacheco 
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Please forgive the question if it's deemed too dumb, but I am writing a
> blog
> > post on whether having a centralized caffeine supply (read - coffee
> machine)
> > where all members of a coworking space can get coffee is a
> > community-building element/factor. Would you agree?
> > Maybe I'm just crazy and this kind of conversation is irrelevant, so if
> this
> > is the case, please ignore my request :-)
>
>
> We have an espresso machine. Members like it. But not sure if would
> place it in community building aspect however.
>
> I place it like having a desk and wifi... basic office supplies :-)
>
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[Coworking] Re: Lockers for Members?

[Alex Hillman]

We've bought lockers on craigslist twice and it's been great/cheap. ~
$200 for a bank of 30 lockers.

On Thursday, October 8, 2009, Mike Schinkel  wrote:
> Mike,
> Thanks.  FYI, these are the ones I'm probably going to go with (unless I hear 
> of something much better):  http://www.asilockers.com/
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2009, at 5:18 PM, Mike Pihlman wrote:
>
> How timely...
>
> 1. We have been talking recently about open cubbies (like in school) or
> lockers that can be locked.  There is NOT an urgent need or request, so
> far just casual discussions.
>
> 2. Not offered, mostly right now due to cost (I am funding the place
> myself...).  As membership increases amenities will increase.
>
> Good news from TVO:  Just signed up a new member!   WhooHoo!  :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Schinkel wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>     We are about to order lockers for our space and wanted to first
>     ask the experience of those on the list.  Specifically:
>
>
>     -- Do you find your members want/need lockers?
>
>     -- If yes, what percent of members want/need them?
>
>
>     -- Do you offer lockers?
>
>     -- If No, why not?
>     -- If Yes:
>
>     -- Where did you get them?
>
>     -- What size(s) did you get?
>
>     -- How many do you have of each?
>
>     -- How much did you pay for them?
>
>     -- Do members store anything unexpected in them that you know
>     of? (i.e. besides laptops)
>
>     -- Did you buy new or used, or get them donated or other?
>     -- Do you allow them to have their own locker, only share
>     them, or both?
>     -- Do you have lockers that are available only during the day,
>     or 24/7?
>
>     -- Do you charge members extra for lockers?  If so, how much?
>
>
>     -- Any suggestions or lessons learned?
>
>
>     Thanks in advance!
>
>
> -Mike Schinkel
> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
> http://ignitionalley.com
>
> P.S. Hope this hasn't been covered on the list before...
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Mobile: 209-608-4340
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> Twitter: @TracyVirtOffice
> Skype:  tracyvirtualoffice1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[Coworking] Re: Lockers for Members?

[Alex Hillman]

Its luck of the draw, really.
The first time we bought them from a factory facility in the 'burbs of
philly. This time we bought them from a local vo-tech school.

Both times they were really excited to hear where the lockers were headed!

-Alex

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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Mike Schinkel
wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Awesome, I googled for used and looked on ebay but didn't think of
> Craigslist. I'm an idiot! Thanks.
>
>
>  -Mike Schinkel
> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
> http://ignitionalley.com
>
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
>
> We've bought lockers on craigslist twice and it's been great/cheap. ~
> $200 for a bank of 30 lockers.
>
> On Thursday, October 8, 2009, Mike Schinkel 
> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Thanks.  FYI, these are the ones I'm probably going to go with (unless I
> hear of something much better):  http://www.asilockers.com/
>
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2009, at 5:18 PM, Mike Pihlman wrote:
>
>
> How timely...
>
>
> 1. We have been talking recently about open cubbies (like in school) or
>
> lockers that can be locked.  There is NOT an urgent need or request, so
>
> far just casual discussions.
>
>
> 2. Not offered, mostly right now due to cost (I am funding the place
>
> myself...).  As membership increases amenities will increase.
>
>
> Good news from TVO:  Just signed up a new member!   WhooHoo!  :-)
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Mike Schinkel wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>We are about to order lockers for our space and wanted to first
>
>ask the experience of those on the list.  Specifically:
>
>
>
>-- Do you find your members want/need lockers?
>
>
>-- If yes, what percent of members want/need them?
>
>
>
> -- Do you offer lockers?
>
>
>-- If No, why not?
>
>-- If Yes:
>
>
>-- Where did you get them?
>
>
>-- What size(s) did you get?
>
>
>-- How many do you have of each?
>
>
>-- How much did you pay for them?
>
>
>-- Do members store anything unexpected in them that you know
>
>of? (i.e. besides laptops)
>
>
>-- Did you buy new or used, or get them donated or other?
>
>-- Do you allow them to have their own locker, only share
>
>them, or both?
>
>-- Do you have lockers that are available only during the day,
>
>or 24/7?
>
>
>-- Do you charge members extra for lockers?  If so, how much?
>
>
>
>-- Any suggestions or lessons learned?
>
>
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>
>
> -Mike Schinkel
>
> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
>
> http://ignitionalley.com
>
>
> P.S. Hope this hasn't been covered on the list before...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mike Pihlman
>
> TracyVirtualOffice
>
> "A Coworking Community"
>
> 95 W. 11th Street, Suite 203
>
> Tracy, CA 95376
>
> Mobile: 209-608-4340
>
> Web: TracyVirtualOffice.com
>
> Twitter: @TracyVirtOffice
>
> Skype:  tracyvirtualoffice1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Coworking] Re: Sandbox got certified green!

[Alex Hillman]

That's awesome! Congrats.
Can you explain some of the benefits, besides the ecological and energy
savings, for green certifications?

-Alex

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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Sasha V  wrote:

>
>
> Yeah, the process has been a total pain (and the city is super-slow of
> course), which is why we hired BlueMap, a local sustainability
> consulting firm, to help us. There's no way we would have done it
> without them. So you may want to consider going that route. Now, we're
> trying to find green blogs, etc. to spread the word.
>
> Sasha Vasilyuk
> Sandbox Suites
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[Coworking] Re: Headphones in the office!

[Alex Hillman]

How much fun is it to say JoBoCoWo out loud?

Hint: very fun.

-Alex

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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:51 PM, coworkingjonesboro wrote:

>
> AWESOME! Simple Rule #1...officially adopted by JoBoCoWo. ;)
>
> Steven Trotter
> JonesboroCoworking.com
>
> On Oct 6, 7:43 pm, ruyoung  wrote:
> > hahaha! i love your videos. this one is awesome.
> > r.
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2:33 am, Jerome Chang  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi.  We made this quick short on Friday about headphones in the office
>
> > > to ward off the occasional "downsides" to coworking.
> http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=707190387635&saved
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> > > Enjoy!
> >
> > > Jerome
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[Coworking] Re: Why PPI is Never Necessary

[Alex Hillman]

Wow, this guy REALLY wants to spam the group. He's spoofing his e-mail
address as mine!!

Sorry gang. :(

-Alex

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:17 PM, hello.johan
wrote:

>  Why PPI is Never 
> Necessary<http://surancecar.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-ppi-is-never-necessary.html>
>
>  *I'm not a big fan of Payment Protection Insurance. There have been too
> many times during my career as a Financial Adviser that I have heard horror
> stories. People haven't been paid out due to small omissions on their
> application form, or something small such as their job title has changed
> etc. I can see the benefit of PPI when it comes to mortgages though.
> Generally, if you have a PPI policy for your mortgage (known as ASU) the
> insurer will step in to pay your mortgage after you have been off...*
>  http://ulohro.notlong.com
>
> 
>
> >
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[Coworking] Re: CoWorking Business Model: Profit vs. Non Profit

[Alex Hillman]

Hey Guys,

This has been discussed extensively, but there's always more to say. If you
could, though give the Google Group a search for the topic and then come
back with some specific questions!

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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Wes & Steve - Verge
wrote:

>
> Hi all, my business partner and I are in the midst of launching a
> space in downtown Wilmington, DE in the upcoming months.  We have
> already found and secured a space, but are still unsure of the proper
> business model to employ.  We have been leaning towards not-for-profit
> mainly to have a better chance of raising some initial capital and
> securing sponsorships.  We would appreciate if anyone could give us
> some pros and cons for whether for-profit or not-for-profit is the
> better choice, as well as some tips on raising investment.  Thanks!!!
>
> >
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[Coworking] Re: CoWorking Business Model: Profit vs. Non Profit

[Alex Hillman]

I'm sorry Geoff, but unless your response is in the form of a question, it
is disqualified.
:)

What Geoff doesn't explain is that while we're a for-profit business entity,
our business model is more often qualified as "not just for profit". I've
written extensively on our decision to do this, and why, and what benefits
it's afforded us.

Take a looksie:

http://www.dangerouslyawesome.com/2008/05/29/add-equal-parts-business-and-culture-blend-until-smooth/

Lately I've been thinking about "Triple Bottom Line" businesses, that
operate on three goals: profit, people, planet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_bottom_line

While we may not be green certified, and the ecological benefits of sharing
space are obvious, I've replaced "planet" with "place" in terms of IndyHall.
Our focuses are on building fiscal capital to reinvest in the community,
human social capital in the form of community, and regional social capital
in the form of making Philadelphia a better place for us to work.

Geoff's background in founding and participating in non-profits helped guide
us in the direction that while non-profits are great for some things,
IndyHall wasn't one of those things.

Since it sounds like your primary goal for going non-profit is for fund
raising, I think you'll find plenty of people here that can help advise in
alternative ways to raise funds without applying for a status that could
cripple you down the road.

One more point and then I'm done: we've achieved profitability (that is,
simply, monthly revenue exceeds our monthly expenses. nothing complicated or
tricky to state that) within 6 months of opening our first space and again,
last month, 5 months after opening our 2nd space.

-Alex, IndyHall


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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Geoff DiMasi  wrote:

> For profit.
> :)
>
> Geoff
>
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>
> On Oct 15, 2009, at Oct 15,9:56 AM, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> This has been discussed extensively, but there's always more to say. If you
> could, though give the Google Group a search for the topic and then come
> back with some specific questions!
>
> -Alex, IndyHall
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>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Wes & Steve - Verge <
> vergegr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all, my business partner and I are in the midst of launching a
>> space in downtown Wilmington, DE in the upcoming months.  We have
>> already found and secured a space, but are still unsure of the proper
>> business model to employ.  We have been leaning towards not-for-profit
>> mainly to have a better chance of raising some initial capital and
>> securing sponsorships.  We would appreciate if anyone could give us
>> some pros and cons for whether for-profit or not-for-profit is the
>> better choice, as well as some tips on raising investment.  Thanks!!!
>>
>>
>>
>
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[Coworking] Re: Fundraising for CoWorking Space in Munich, Germany

[Alex Hillman]

Great questions/comments from Steven.

I've got a post about the long term implications that I've seen from other
spaces that took on debt the way you are describing.

http://www.dangerouslyawesome.com/2009/08/20/rip-workspace-the-hard-discussion/

Among the other themes, one of the most important is: spend money like you
don't have any.

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Steven Heath  wrote:

>
> > We calculated that as an initial investment we need minimum 50.000
> > Euros for creating the CoWorking space (and having some money to run
> > it for a few month). This excludes any employees for the space and
> > includes not much investment for refurbishment etc.
> >
> > Now the idea is to find some persons who all together invest this
> > 50.000 Euros by founding a corporation which will create and run the
> > space. Of course this has the   disadvantage that it is a hard job to
> > coordinate 50 partners...
>
> 50k Euro on what?
>
> It is really easy to spend other peoples money. What is the pay back
> for something investing this money?
>
> Also what are these 50 'partner' are they people interested in using
> the coworking space?
>
> Also what are the employee costs for as if you have 50 'partners' you
> can share the load among them for day to day things.
>
> If you have 50 possible members I think this is your angle. These are
> your cadre to start with and you should work with them on whats needed
> as opposed to wanted and what fees they are willing to pay.
>
> From that approach you can work out if you need to spend 50k and what
> your ops costs will be.
>
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[Coworking] Re: Insurance for Coworking Spaces

[Alex Hillman]

We have a great agent for The Hartford. They have policies
specifically for shared space businesses. I recommend looking for your
local agent, if there is one.

We carry a general liability for the business, our space, and our
assets, I think it's something like a $2mm policy and it's extremely
affordable.

Based on location, YMMV.


-Alex, IndyHall

On Monday, October 26, 2009, Mike Schinkel  wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I hope this hasn't been covered before but I was just advised by a State Farm 
> agent that our space is not an eligible business for any of their programs.
> Has anyone run into this and more importantly, where have you found business 
> insurance and what issues have you come across?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> -Mike Schinkel
> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
> http://ignitionalley.com
>
>
>
>
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[Coworking] Re: Insurance for Coworking Spaces

[Alex Hillman]

Yeah, Preston-Patterson has been very good to us, and everyone we've
referred them to.

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Mike Pihlman wrote:

>
> Based on the advice from this group several months ago, we went with
> Preston-Patterson when I found our local insurance co's (in Tracy, CA)
> (even one I have been with over 25 years!) could not / did not want to
> cover us.  I am very happy with Preston-Patterson.  Very reasonable
> cost, very efficient.and patient with a newbie like me.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Scott Tillitt / BEAHIVE wrote:
> > Hey Mike, I asked the same question 6-7 months ago and got a good rec
> > from Tony Bacigalupo of New Work City (NYC). The agent is outside of
> > Philly, but they work with folks all over to find the right insurance
> > company (in my case, Ohio Casualty). We're in New York's Hudson Valley.
> >
> > I was surprised how affordable it was.
> >
> > Agency: Preston-Patterson Co.
> > Account Manager: Jennifer Makarczyk (my original agent left and I
> > haven't yet spoken directly with Jennifer)
> > 1-610-834-0090 x101
> > www.preston-patterson.com <http://www.preston-patterson.com>
> > jenni...@preston-patterson.com
> >
> > Good luck,
> > scott.
> >
> > On Oct 27, 2009, at 4:26 AM, coworking group wrote:
> >
> >>
> ==
> >> TOPIC: Insurance for Coworking Spaces
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/t/02981ed581fda90b?hl=en
> >>
> ==
> >>
> >> == 1 of 3 ==
> >> Date: Mon, Oct 26 2009 4:28 pm
> >> From: Mike Schinkel
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi All:
> >>
> >> I hope this hasn't been covered before but I was just advised by a
> >> State Farm agent that our space is not an eligible business for any of
> >> their programs.
> >>
> >> Has anyone run into this and more importantly, where have you found
> >> business insurance and what issues have you come across?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance!
> >>
> >> -Mike Schinkel
> >> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
> >> http://ignitionalley.com <http://ignitionalley.com/>
> >
> >   - ---
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> > [ sc...@beahivebeacon.com <mailto:sc...@beahivebeacon.com>  /
> >  917.449.6356 / Twitter: @bluehwyflaneur
> > <http://www.twitter.com/bluehwyflaneur> ]
> >
> > BEAHIVE
> > collaborative community workspace / join the hive. engage.
> > *sign up for** **BEAHIVE Bzzz* <http://eepurl.com/caxT>
> > [ www.beahivebeacon.com <http://www.beahivebeacon.com>  /
> >  Twitter: @BEAHIVE <http://www.twitter.com/BEAHIVE> ]
> >
> > ANTIDOTE COLLECTIVE
> > socially conscious communications / apply liberally.
> > [ www.antidotecollective.org <http://www.antidotecollective.org> ]
> >
> >   - ---  t h i n k / f e e l  --- -
> > ...an idea or product that deserves the label 'creative' arises from
> > the synergy of many sources and not only from the mind of a single
> > person.” (Mihaly Csikszentmihaly)
> >
> >
> > >
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[Coworking] Re: MBA student: Confused about Profitability of Cowroking?

[Alex Hillman]

Great questions, Cameron.

First off, we're located in the downtown area of one of the top 10 largest
cities in the US. I'm glad you asked the question, because our business
model is based on our location. Location is directly correlated to
profitability, but in my mind, only in terms of how the business model needs
to adjust for location. This takes into account local economic climate, but
also local cultural needs.

Sprawling cities have made coworking successful. I'd hope that Matthew
Wettergreen from Caroline Collective chimes in about how they've dealt with
the sprawl of Houston.

But more about us:


> Do you break even?

The first office we opened in August 2007 was operationally break even in ~7
months. When we grew into our new office in May of 2009, we operated at a
loss for 4.5 months before achieving monthly breakeven.

If you go beyond break even, is it by much?

At our peak of utilization at our old office, IndyHall was generating 100%+
of its monthly operating expenses in profit. So if it cost us $3500/month to
run the space, we brought in $7000/month to revenue. Our new space has more
than double the operating costs (nearly triple, in fact), but we haven't had
to adjust our rates. We achieved this by being thoughtful in managing our
expenses, and keeping our costs simple and measurable. All profit for the ~1
year of profitability was put back into paying back debt (which took ~12
months) and finding ways to improve the space (capital improvements, other
investments).


> Is there anyone who is experiencing growth even with the recession?

We grew from 1800 sq ft to 4500 sq ft, and from ~45 paying members (14 full
time) to 90+ paying members (26 full time) between March and today. Our 2nd
biggest growth rate was in January of 2009, where our full time membership
nearly doubled. This pushed us into considering new space.

What are your membership plans?

http://indyhall.org/membership/


> Does being profitable have to do with charging for extra services?

We don't charge for anything other than membership. We occasionally make a
few bucks from hosting an event, but that's barely enough to register.


> Most of all, is this a business that one should approach with a mind frame
> of making money or with one of
> community, or both?
>
I think the answer is that the frame of mind we've operated under is triple
bottom line:
*Profit* - profit, for us, is one half of our path to sustainability. If the
business side of IndyHall is not profitable, we don't have resources to
invest in our community and we can't continue to grow to fulfill our
mission.
*People* - investing in our community is the other half.
*People leads to profit. Profit doesn't necessarily lead to
people.*Involving the community in the operations of the business has
been a part of
our secret sauce.
*Place* - investing in our city. This is at the core of our mission of *making
Philadelphia* *a better place for people who want to make a living doing
something they love.*

For the last 2+ years, our model has worked *for us* on at least three
fronts:

1) we've been profitable, twice.
2) we've grown to ~100 simultaneously paying members across all levels
3) we've been recognized by individuals, businesses, and representatives of
the city that our efforts and our community are a significant contributor to
the growth and visibility of a community in a city that wasn't otherwise
known for technology, creative, or independent workers.

-Alex

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On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Cameron  wrote:

>
> Hi all!
>
> First off, this is a fabulous group, and I love the coworking idea!
>
> I'm an MBA student and I need to choose a topic to write a
> profitability/feasibility analysis on for a class, and am interested
> in writing about this concept, but wondering about the profitability.
>
> I've researched a lot, and it seems like people have different
> answers... a lot say its not profitable since its the community aspect
> that's appealing, while others say it can be profitable if you do it
> right (what IS considered right is the question?).
>
> I don't want to start a repetitive post, but I would love to hear from
> those of you who have experience with running/owning a coworking spot.
> Do you break even? If you go beyond break even, is it by much? Is
> there anyone who is experiencing growth even with the recession? What
> are your membership plans? Does being profitable have to do with
> charging for extra services? Most of all, is this a business that one
> should approach with a mind frame of making money or with one of
> community, or both?
>
> Don't worry about answering EV

[Coworking] Re: MBA student: Confused about Profitability of Cowroking?

[Alex Hillman]

My pleasure.

By the way, I love the idea that Danielle posted earlier in this thread that
they would host anyone studying coworking as their thesis. I admittedly
haven't discussed this with Geoff, but I'd encourage the same kind of thing
at IndyHall.

One of our interns actually got his undergraduate in psychology and I'm
honestly jealous of the lens he gets to look at IndyHall through. I know
that I've learned immense amounts about communication, community, business
dynamics, and more just by spending my days at IndyHall. ANYONE studying
business, communication, or even seemingly unrelated fields like psychology,
I'd recommend spending some time working from a coworking space.

-Alex

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Cameron  wrote:

>
> THANK YOU You guys are awesome!
>
> Alex, your detailed answers REALLY help! Thanks so much!! :)
>
> On Oct 29, 10:15 am, "scott anderson"
>  wrote:
> > This was an awesome answer. I am in St Cloud, MN and am currently just in
> > the "looking into' stages of this coworking world. I love the idea &
> think
> > the possibilities could be endless.
> >
> > Again,
> >
> > Thanks for all the time and energy your put into your thoughts.
> >
> > It is greatly appreciated,
> >
> > Scott Anderson
> >
> > Statewide Property Inspections
> >
> > 320-761-2100
> >
> > Webwww.statewidepropertyinspections.com
> > <http://www.statewidepropertyinspections.com/>
> >
> > Bloghttp://statewide-homeinspections.blogspot.com/ <-please click on
> > the link
> >
> > p.s If you thought my services were worth your time and money, I  would
> > greatly appreciate a short testimoanial. A good word or two goes along
> way
> > when trying to grow my business.  Thank you.
> >
> >   _
> >
> > From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:cowork...@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Alex Hillman
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:55 PM
> > To: coworking@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [Coworking] Re: MBA student: Confused about Profitability of
> > Cowroking?
> >
> > Great questions, Cameron.
> >
> > First off, we're located in the downtown area of one of the top 10
> largest
> > cities in the US. I'm glad you asked the question, because our business
> > model is based on our location. Location is directly correlated to
> > profitability, but in my mind, only in terms of how the business model
> needs
> > to adjust for location. This takes into account local economic climate,
> but
> > also local cultural needs.
> >
> > Sprawling cities have made coworking successful. I'd hope that Matthew
> > Wettergreen from Caroline Collective chimes in about how they've dealt
> with
> > the sprawl of Houston.
> >
> > But more about us:
> >
> > Do you break even?
> >
> > The first office we opened in August 2007 was operationally break even in
> ~7
> > months. When we grew into our new office in May of 2009, we operated at a
> > loss for 4.5 months before achieving monthly breakeven.
> >
> > If you go beyond break even, is it by much?
> >
> > At our peak of utilization at our old office, IndyHall was generating
> 100%+
> > of its monthly operating expenses in profit. So if it cost us $3500/month
> to
> > run the space, we brought in $7000/month to revenue. Our new space has
> more
> > than double the operating costs (nearly triple, in fact), but we haven't
> had
> > to adjust our rates. We achieved this by being thoughtful in managing our
> > expenses, and keeping our costs simple and measurable. All profit for the
> ~1
> > year of profitability was put back into paying back debt (which took ~12
> > months) and finding ways to improve the space (capital improvements,
> other
> > investments).
> >
> > Is there anyone who is experiencing growth even with the recession?
> >
> > We grew from 1800 sq ft to 4500 sq ft, and from ~45 paying members (14
> full
> > time) to 90+ paying members (26 full time) between March and today. Our
> 2nd
> > biggest growth rate was in January of 2009, where our full time
> membership
> > nearly doubled. This pushed us into considering new space.
> >
> > What are your membership plans?
> >
> > http://indyhall.org/membership/
> >
> > Does being profitable have to do with charging for extra

[Coworking] Re: MBA student: Confused about Profitability of Cowroking?

[Alex Hillman]

re working towards the same thing, and
that's great. but we're not going to wait around. we're going to keep doing
what we're doing, and when you're ready to get on board, or see an
opportunity to get involved in a way that you're comfortable...we'll still
be here and you're more than welcome to join us".

In the spirit of disclosure, it helps that Geoff has been involved with
civic organizations. Quite a bit. He's been on transition and branding
committees with the mayor's office. He's sat on panels and boards with
leaders from many, many significant communities. He's not directly involved
with the city, but having people involved with your community that have a a
track record with city officials helps. Again, if this is a part of your
goal, be on the lookout for those people, and give them an opportunity to
contribute by bringing their network to the table.

-Alex


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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Mike Schinkel
wrote:

> On Oct 28, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> *People* - investing in our community is the other half.
>
> *People leads to profit. Profit doesn't necessarily lead to people.* Involving
> the community in the operations of the business has been a part of our
> secret sauce.
>
>
> Thanks for sharing these Alex.  This list is such a great resource.
>
>
> Can you elaborate on exactly how you involve the community in operations of
> the business?  Do you open the books to the community?  Do you have them
> vote on enhancements?  What logistics/technologies do you use?  Other
> specifics?
>
>
> 3) we've been recognized by individuals, businesses, and representatives of
> the city that our efforts and our community are a significant contributor to
> the growth and visibility of a community in a city that wasn't otherwise
> known for technology, creative, or independent workers.
>
>
> Can you suggest how you got notices by the representatives in your city?
> I'm fearing that Philadelphia is more progressive than Atlanta in that
> respect...
>
>
>  -Mike Schinkel
> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
> http://ignitionalley.com
>
>
> >
>

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[Coworking] Re: MBA student: Confused about Profitability of Cowroking?

[Alex Hillman]

> Great responses all!  I do have some additional questions; the sensing vs.
> intuitive component of my intellect is kicking in and I'm needing some
> examples to get it. (Sorry in advance for asking so many questions.)
>
> OK, let's see if we can tune the dials a bit

> We intentionally frame the 2nd part to give them the opportunity to
> volunteer, and be a part of the improvement they want to see. Our last Town
> Hall (last week) left us with pretty clear goals for the next couple of
> months, and have some new "project leads" stepping up from within the
> community.
>
>
> Can you elaborate on what you do and/or how you frame it to give them the
> opportunity to volunteer?
>
>
Having people involved in the space from the get-go sets this example. We
signed a lease on a Tuesday, and sent out an e-mail that day asking people
to show up on Saturday with rollers to start painting. The following week, a
desk-building party. Turning tasks into social events sounds sneaky, but
it's worked really well at helping people identify with a sense of
ownership. They're more than paying members, they have an emotional
attachment to the space because they've contributed to its existence.
They're proud of it.

The beauty of this is that it's the first shove in a cycle of creating more
of this mentality. The people with that sense of attachment lead by example,
and new members that join see that activity and the reward (public thanks
and recognition is the simplest reward), and the cycle continues.

Tying needs to special interests helps, too. One of the topics at the Town
Hall was regarding the installation of Bike storage. Someone who actually
rides his bike every day has a vested interest in seeing that happen. I gave
him the contact info of our landlord to see if they're interested in
supporting the idea before we do it ourselves. He gets to run with it and
not only fulfill his own self interest in having a bike rack, but now he's a
hero for the other bikers.


have some new "project leads" stepping up from within the community.

Can you mention some "projects" and how you establish project leads?
>
> The bike rack project is one example. Designing and installing sound
baffles to cut down on echo is another.

I think the #1 way we've established project leads was to pair peoples'
interests and areas of expertise, with their own self-interests, with the
greater benefit of the community. It takes some massaging sometimes, but
more often than not, the opportunities present themselves as the diversity
of the community and its' needs grows.


> The hardest part of community involvement is going beyond being
> transparent. Leading by example (and finding others within the community to
> lead by example) and show that "if you want to do something here, you can!".
>
>
>
> Can you give examples of "Leading by example?"
>
>
Monkey see, monkey do. :)

Before some members started collaborating out in the open, people more or
less kept to their own projects, socializing but less on the idea exchange.
Once a few members started showing that it wasn't only safe, but beneficial
to work out in the open, share ideas, and find partners...collaboration and
teams started to form MUCH more often.


>
> The only time we dodge a suggestion is if it conflicts with our core
> values, and at that point we get to explain those core values and help the
> person re-model their suggestion in such a way that it fits better.
>
>
> How do you define your "core values?"  On your website you have:
>
>
> By putting a community's best interests first, we've created a work
> environment focused on openness, collaboration, community, sustainability,
> and accessibility.
>
>
> How do you define the "community's best interests?"  And which "community?"
>  In Atlanta we have the broader community which is far too broad to have
> consistent interests beyond lack of crime, etc.
>
>
> Core values aren't shared 100% across the board. There's no requirements
that you need to identify with any, or all, of those things in order to be a
member of IndyHall. What we believe is that the greatest value from
involvement is when some, or all, of those values are considered. There are
also lots of people outside of the paying membership that identify with
those values. They tend to be the ones that we align best with as an
organization. Tend. :)

How to define the community's best interests is tough, but what it means in
this case is that it was the community and not any one individual's best
interests. Does that help?


How do you deal with ensuring that people can communicate with not only you
> but all the other members, and in a way that is not overbearing? For
> example, neither me nor my partner are at the space every day 9-5 so many of
> our Occasional members can go weeks without seeing us.
>
>
> We have just set up a Google Group for discussion amongst members but I
> feel that will quickly become unbearable for some if there is too much inane
> discussion, and not

Re: [Coworking] Payment Online

[Alex Hillman]

We've moved to 100% online payments to make our book keeper happy...much
better paper trail, and worth it for the transaction fees.

-Alex

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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Mike Pihlman wrote:

> It works for me, but, I prefer cash or check since I get to keep the $5
> or so that PayPal would get.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ourspacefortwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I would appreciate obtaining responses from space mgrs. who utilize
> > online payment services (PayPal, GoogleCart, etc.), and how well it
> > has worked for you members.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jodi Dean
> > www.ourspacefortwayne.wordpress.com
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Re: [Coworking] New artist and TEDxSoMa

[Alex Hillman]

Reach out to Dave Troy from Beehive Baltimore, he just organized
TEDxMidAtlantic and did an AMAZING job.

Take a look: http://tedxmidatlantic.com

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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Julian Nachtigal wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Just wanted to let all coworkers in the SF Bay Area this week that we
> have our next art opening this Thursday, Nov 12th at PariSoMa.  The
> name of the show is "Zeitgeist of Narcissism", photography from Seema
> Hamid.  The event starts at 7:30pm and we hope to see you there.
>
> In another matter, PariSoMa is now a TEDx licensee! We will be hosting
> our first TEDxSoMa event on Friday, January 22nd at PariSoMa.  Our
> website has just gone live (still finishing some customization),
> www.tedxsoma.com and we are now looking for speakers, sponsors, and
> people to register.  Our theme is "Interactivity in Different Realms"
> and we are trying to build a TEDxSoMa community with ongoing events
> every quarter.  If anyone has good recommendations on people in the
> Bay Area who would be enlightening and inspiring speakers, and be able
> to deliver a strong message in 5 - 10 mins, please submit them through
> our speaker page (www.tedxsoma.com/speakers-for-tedxsoma).  We are
> open to any and all recommendations and feel the coworking community
> of the SF Bay Area can truly help make this a great event!  You can
> follow us at www.twitter.com/tedxsoma and www.facebook.com/tedxsoma.
>
> Has anyone hosted a TEDx event before? What has been your experience?
>
> Please register for the event too if you are interested in attending.
> We have 50 spots, and expect many more applicants for membership.
> Registration will be open for about a couple months and we will then
> send out formal invites.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions via jul...@tedxsoma.com.
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
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Re: [Coworking] OurSpace: Beta Site Launched

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Congrats Jodi!

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:15 AM, ourspacefortwa...@gmail.com <
ourspacefortwa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1.  I have teamed up with a local training organization and obtained
> space/furniture for an amazing rate to launch OurSpace.   I am waiting
> on my accountant and my insurance agent to get back to me, then
> individuals can start sitting at desk.  The space is very much beta -
> but a good first start.
> 2.   Community - I working incredibly hard at building community!!
> Lots of cool things in the works.
> 3.  Thanks, for everything!  I am so grateful for all the assistance
> and advice that this group has provided me!  I especially appreciate
> the time that Tony, Alex, Susan, Raines and Tara has given to me.
> 4.  This has been a long time coming, and I so stoked to see it in
> continuation mode!
>
> Sincerely,
>
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> OurSpace
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Re: [Coworking] Souk and "getting started" on your day...

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I sent this along to our interns who orient new guests, and we've had
similar positive results. Great, idea, thanks SO much for sharing!

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Eric Marden  wrote:

> On Nov 11, 2009, at 11:52 PM, kathryn aaker wrote:
>
> > The super nice guy at reception whose name I can't remember greeted
> > me, got me seated, and was like "get set up, we'll deal with the
> > rest later... is there anything I can do to get you working?", and
> > the very focused attention on the value of my time was both
> > refreshing and wildly appreciated, especially since I was getting a
> > late start that day and worried about getting in touch with my
> > client ASAP.
>
>
> Thanks for sharing this. While this is a small change from 'standard
> operating procedure', it make a big impact as you experienced. More
> spaces should adopt his practice.
>
>
> - Eric Marden
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Increase in interest

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Quite the contrary here at IndyHall.

Almost exactly 25% of our membership is resident, while the rest is of the
migrant nature, using IndyHall as a periodic "escape". Also, I still think
non-small-businesses (independent, sole proprietorships, and remote workers)
are the bulk of our membership. We have a few people that could be
considered "start-up" as well, though for the most part the startup-culture
isn't part of what we do.

Every day we have at least a few people dropping in, some members some not,
but the turnover is absolutely an important (and lively) part of our
culture.

We've done specific things to make it more welcoming for the migrant
members, from designing desk clusters that are mixed full time and flex
desks, to holding member lunches most fridays, to show and tells that are
open to the public...even using basecamp and campfire for in-office
communication lets people who aren't at IndyHall every day get involved in
the action.

Our membership is now over 100 people, but only ~25% of those have permanent
desks. I'd say 50% of our paying membership rarely uses desks at all, but
continues membership due to all of the corollary benefits, events, etc.

I think that our current revenue split is something like 65% full time 35%
part time & dropins, but ALL of our membership levels have shown increase
over the last 6 months since moving into our new office.

Unfortunately, I don't have hard statistics from our first 12-18 months, but
I'm fairly confident we started out building a strong full time presence,
which became the primary attraction for all of the non-full time members.

Fact is, there ISN'T much reason to leave your house if all you're going to
is a desk on the other side of town. That's boring.

If there's guaranteed to be some smart, interesting, creative, talented, and
motivated people at the desks next to you, though, now there's a benefit
worth leaving your house (and paying) for!

Furthermore, I think the fact that the existing "anchor" tenants are
businesses/pre-existing teams is another barrier for drop ins. It's much
harder to socially integrate teams than it is individuals. You have to break
down their clique behaviors, whereas a bunch of "loosely joined" individuals
is much easier to approach.

This is the main reason that typically, we have discouraged and even said no
to renting to pre-existing teams and small businesses. We've periodically
made exceptions, but each time, the short-term benefit (more revenue) was
met with marginal long-term benefit (stronger community).

That's us, though. We know what we've been best at, and continue to find
ways to make that even better, and available to more kinds of people.

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On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM, gerard  wrote:

> > Only issue:  Not one commuter or telecommuter.  Everyone here is small
> > business, consultant, social media
>
> My partner and I recently visited Qwirk and Sandbox in Columbus,
> Ohio.  Interestingly, both said that drop-in traffic was almost non-
> existent.  My observation was that most revenue was from full-time
> membership, and most full-time members were small businesses (with
> great diversity: screen-printing, photography, attorneys, engineers!),
> as opposed to freelancers and telecommuters.
>
> This was non-intuitive to me because originally I thought coworking
> mostly appealed to individuals working from home.  But I have now come
> to believe that, while initial fanfare brings in a lot of traffic at
> first, over time, people who work from home really don't mind working
> from home.
>
> So relying on drop-in traffic to sustain the space seems to be a
> losing proposition, and the real "bread-and-butter" lies in small
> businesses needing office space signing up for full-time memberships.
>
> Have others found this to be the case?
>
> Thanks for any input,
> Gerard Sychay
> http://cincycoworks.com
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Re: [Coworking] Hello

[Alex Hillman]

You can also reach out to:

http://thehacktory.org & http://www.hive76.org
Two crafter/hacker/maker studios in Philadelphia inspired by Make: Magazine
and Make:Philly.

And http://nextfabstudio.com, opening in just a few weeks in University City
Philadelphia as a fabrication studio targeting mixed use of hacker/maker
types and industry experts needing rapid prototyping equipment and
fabrication.

They're all operated differently, with tweaks on the business model around
access to space, equipment, and community.

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On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Tara Hunt  wrote:

> Very cool. Do you know Bre Petis et al at:
>
> http://www.nycresistor.com/
>
> Or the good people at SF's TechShop?
>
> http://techshop.ws/
>
> T
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:34 AM, mattw  wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm Matt Westervelt,  and I'm introducing myself to the list.  I
>> recently (last month) started a space in Seattle that can be
>> classified as a co-working space.   It's Metrix Create:Space, and
>> although it isn't quite office space, it is a shared work space for
>> crafters and makers.  We have electronics supplies, a laser cutter, 3d
>> printer, vented soldering area and lots and lots of tools.   It's a
>> bit like a hackerspace, but open to the public at large and designed
>> to be a comfortable place to work on projects.
>>
>> Jacob (at office nomads) suggested I get in contact with other
>> coworking spaces, and I've been following from afar for a while.   I'm
>> definitely interested in seeing what is going on in other cities, in
>> Seattle, and with coworking as a whole.
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Re: [Coworking] Hello

[Alex Hillman]

Also, Tge Hqcktory

On Sunday, November 22, 2009, Tara Hunt  wrote:
> Very cool. Do you know Bre Petis et al at:
> http://www.nycresistor.com/
> Or the good people at SF's TechShop?
>
>
> http://techshop.ws/
> T
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:34 AM, mattw 
>  'ma...@seattlewireless.net');>> wrote:
> Hi, I'm Matt Westervelt,  and I'm introducing myself to the list.  I
> recently (last month) started a space in Seattle that can be
> classified as a co-working space.   It's Metrix Create:Space, and
> although it isn't quite office space, it is a shared work space for
> crafters and makers.  We have electronics supplies, a laser cutter, 3d
> printer, vented soldering area and lots and lots of tools.   It's a
> bit like a hackerspace, but open to the public at large and designed
> to be a comfortable place to work on projects.
>
> Jacob (at office nomads) suggested I get in contact with other
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> definitely interested in seeing what is going on in other cities, in
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Re: [Coworking] Re: The wikipedia entry is off on it's accuracy

[Alex Hillman]

In fact, I created a Google Doc.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcnmwmjz_3hkqhv2ff

Anyone with interest in co-editing (heh), please send me the e-mail address
you'd like to have invited to the doc.

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On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Alex Hillman
wrote:

> I'm with Brian on this one. An open/shared google doc has far better
> accessibility (and stability) than Wave.
>
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> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Brian Gryth  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> If the goal is to collaborate on the history in this space, then I
>> would suggest using either a page in the group that could be edited by
>> the members or perhaps a linked Google Doc.
>>
>> I am all for Google Wave, but a group page or Google Doc would be more
>> accessible to a larger group of people.
>>
>> Unless we want to rewrite the text, it might be a good idea to copy
>> the Wikipedia text and edit from that text.  Always good to have a
>> starting point.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>>
>> On Nov 30, 10:52 am, Mike Pihlman  wrote:
>> > Tara:  Thanks for the bit of history and the link!  The video you made
>> > was my guide and inspiration.  "Serendipity" has become THE word at the
>> > TVO  :-)
>> >
>> > Re: "Coworking should be described as a 'movement', not just a way of
>> > working. The way of working is not new."
>> >
>> > For everyone, this is my take on:  Way back in the 70's and 80's the
>> > concept of Neighborhood Telework Centers took shape. I was heavily
>> > involved in Telecommuting back then at LLNL (I co-wrote the first
>> > Telecommuting Plan there).  But, I had hoped one day to open a
>> > Neighborhood TeleWork center in Tracy...but:  1.I did not have the
>> > nerve  and 2. no $$.
>> >
>> > Years later (with nerve and a few $$)I happened upon the "coworking"
>> > concept. It took me several months to digest the concept and merge it
>> > with what I already knewThe result:  Here I am, typing away in the
>> > Tracy Virtual Office.  WhooHoo!  :-)
>> >
>> > I'd be more than happy to help with the WikiPedia efforthmmm, Google
>> > Wave may be a good media for document collaboration???
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tara Hunt wrote:
>> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coworking
>> >
>> > > Usually I wouldn't point this out, but wikipedia is supposed to be the
>> > > authority. In the history, it says Brad Neuberg set up the Hat
>> > > Factory, but he set up Coworking in the Spiral Muse house in the
>> > > mission (2005) and a group of five (stakeholders):
>> >
>> > > Tara Hunt/Chris Messina
>> > > Ryanne Hodson/Jay Dedman
>> > > Brad Neuberg
>> > > Neil Drumm
>> > > Ted Tagami (I think he was the fifth)
>> >
>> > > Set up The Hat Factory in 2006 (Chris and I went and signed the deal
>> > > with Schlomo on our way out to Wine Camp in May of 2006 - the location
>> > > was suggested by Jay & Ryanne who were friends with Schlomo).
>> >
>> > > I also think Coworking should be described as a 'movement', not just a
>> > > way of working. The way of working is not new. The movement is.
>> >
>> > > Either way, it needs a great deal of work and I'm not a 'wikipedian'
>> > > (and have a personal stake in it), so I'd probably be chopped. Any
>> > > volunteers? Maybe we could craft the text/references here as a group,
>> > > then have a trusted editor enter it?
>> >
>> > > Tara
>> >
>> > > --
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>> >
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Re: [Coworking] Re: The wikipedia entry is off on it's accuracy

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I'm with Brian on this one. An open/shared google doc has far better
accessibility (and stability) than Wave.

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> Hello all,
>
> If the goal is to collaborate on the history in this space, then I
> would suggest using either a page in the group that could be edited by
> the members or perhaps a linked Google Doc.
>
> I am all for Google Wave, but a group page or Google Doc would be more
> accessible to a larger group of people.
>
> Unless we want to rewrite the text, it might be a good idea to copy
> the Wikipedia text and edit from that text.  Always good to have a
> starting point.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> On Nov 30, 10:52 am, Mike Pihlman  wrote:
> > Tara:  Thanks for the bit of history and the link!  The video you made
> > was my guide and inspiration.  "Serendipity" has become THE word at the
> > TVO  :-)
> >
> > Re: "Coworking should be described as a 'movement', not just a way of
> > working. The way of working is not new."
> >
> > For everyone, this is my take on:  Way back in the 70's and 80's the
> > concept of Neighborhood Telework Centers took shape. I was heavily
> > involved in Telecommuting back then at LLNL (I co-wrote the first
> > Telecommuting Plan there).  But, I had hoped one day to open a
> > Neighborhood TeleWork center in Tracy...but:  1.I did not have the
> > nerve  and 2. no $$.
> >
> > Years later (with nerve and a few $$)I happened upon the "coworking"
> > concept. It took me several months to digest the concept and merge it
> > with what I already knewThe result:  Here I am, typing away in the
> > Tracy Virtual Office.  WhooHoo!  :-)
> >
> > I'd be more than happy to help with the WikiPedia efforthmmm, Google
> > Wave may be a good media for document collaboration???
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tara Hunt wrote:
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coworking
> >
> > > Usually I wouldn't point this out, but wikipedia is supposed to be the
> > > authority. In the history, it says Brad Neuberg set up the Hat
> > > Factory, but he set up Coworking in the Spiral Muse house in the
> > > mission (2005) and a group of five (stakeholders):
> >
> > > Tara Hunt/Chris Messina
> > > Ryanne Hodson/Jay Dedman
> > > Brad Neuberg
> > > Neil Drumm
> > > Ted Tagami (I think he was the fifth)
> >
> > > Set up The Hat Factory in 2006 (Chris and I went and signed the deal
> > > with Schlomo on our way out to Wine Camp in May of 2006 - the location
> > > was suggested by Jay & Ryanne who were friends with Schlomo).
> >
> > > I also think Coworking should be described as a 'movement', not just a
> > > way of working. The way of working is not new. The movement is.
> >
> > > Either way, it needs a great deal of work and I'm not a 'wikipedian'
> > > (and have a personal stake in it), so I'd probably be chopped. Any
> > > volunteers? Maybe we could craft the text/references here as a group,
> > > then have a trusted editor enter it?
> >
> > > Tara
> >
> > > --
> > > tara 'missrogue' hunt
> >
> > > Book: The Whuffie Factor (http://www.thewhuffiefactor.com)
> > > Blog: HorsePigCow: Marketing Uncommon (http://horsepigcow.com)
> > > Twitter:http://www.twitter.com/missrogue
> > > phone: 514-679-2951
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> > "A Coworking Community"
> > 95 W. 11th Street, Suite 203
> > Tracy, CA 95376
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Re: [Coworking] Managing a space vs Working in the space

[Alex Hillman]

The short answer is: very well. :)

Honestly, it depends on how you operate your space. All I can speak to is
our experience.

Ispent the first year able to operate the space while running my business
because we involved the community heavily in the operation of the space. By
treating it like a clubhouse, where every member has a vested interest in
the space they inhabit, rather than a service-oriented facility, we were
able to do a LOT more without killing any one (or two) person's
productivity.

At ~1 year, we were more busy handling membership and day-to-day operations,
and it made sense for me to offload that work on to someone else. We brought
on an office manager, who worked part time for IndyHall, part time for me
(as a personal assistant), and the rest of the time she was able to explore
other aspects of work at IndyHall. She took to an opportunity to provide
customer support for a couple of the products/businesses operated here, and
has since grown a successful small business for herself while working for me
and IndyHall.

So much so that after a year or so of THAT workflow, we brought on 2 interns
to take some of the day-to-day off of her, and the majority of what she does
for us now is making sure the interns are busy and focused, making sure
members are happy, organizing events, and doing our monthly invoicing.

More about that in this post:
http://www.indyhall.org/blog/2009/08/06/how-indyhall-got-the-best-office-manager-without-hiring-an-office-manager/

Me? I've gone from doing most of the ops management to very little of it
simply by delegating to the "staff" as well as the community. It's hardly a
full time job, though. I still sign the checks. I still work with the book
keeper every month. I still field the calls when something bad happens. I
still talk to the press. I still work with Geoff to keep the vision of
IndyHall strong and focused.

Which brings me to another point: having a partner who *doesn't* work in the
space has been valuable at times, because he's able to see operations issues
from an "outside" point of view. That's come in handy more than once. We
still communicate regularly and make decisions together, but neither of us
need to be IN the space every day, and its rare for us both to be in the
space at the same time.

Hope this helps!


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On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Cadu de Castro Alves <
cadudecastroal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, people!
>
> I don't open my space yet, but I'm thinking about the time to manage the
> space.
> I'll run my own company in the space.
> How do you divide the time between managing the space and work?
>
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[Coworking] Coworking questions/stories

[Alex Hillman]

Hey coworking friends!

I'm working on something a little different from an FAQ for coworking, but
it does need to start somewhere..and that's with all of you.

*http://j.mp/coworkquest* <http://j.mp/coworkquest>

I've put together this quick survey that lets you fill out some information
about who you are and your relation to coworking. Next, it asks you for some
questions...the kinds of questions that have been posted here time and time
again are PERFECT. The questions that you haven't posted yet because you've
been afraid to ask are PERFECT. Really, any question is perfect...there's no
such thing as a dumb question.

Finally, it asks for stories where your mind was changed, or you had an
"a-ha" moment, while coworking. Again, anything goes. Stories are worth
sharing, and plenty of them aren't getting out there yet.

The form can be filled out anonymously, but any information you DO give will
be attributed anywhere this info is shared or synthesized.

I tried to build the form to be generic enough to elicit a wide variety of
responses, but as always, I'm wide open to suggestions to make it better.
Changing it on the fly is simple enough, so I'm happy to do so if someone
has a good idea.

Also, space/community owners/managers: please distribute this survey to your
members! Encourage them to share the survey around as well.

That form link is: *http://j.mp/coworkquest* <http://j.mp/coworkquest>

Thanks in advance for all of your input!

-Alex

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[Coworking] Re: Coworking questions/stories

[Alex Hillman]

To be clear, the questions I'm looking for in this survey aren't necessarily
questions you have NOW, but questions that you've had to answer, questions
that you've heard asked that you think are important for people to hear and
know the answers to, and things of that nature.

Hopefully that makes more sense!

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On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Alex Hillman
wrote:

> Hey coworking friends!
>
> I'm working on something a little different from an FAQ for coworking, but
> it does need to start somewhere..and that's with all of you.
>
> *http://j.mp/coworkquest* <http://j.mp/coworkquest>
>
> I've put together this quick survey that lets you fill out some information
> about who you are and your relation to coworking. Next, it asks you for some
> questions...the kinds of questions that have been posted here time and time
> again are PERFECT. The questions that you haven't posted yet because you've
> been afraid to ask are PERFECT. Really, any question is perfect...there's no
> such thing as a dumb question.
>
> Finally, it asks for stories where your mind was changed, or you had an
> "a-ha" moment, while coworking. Again, anything goes. Stories are worth
> sharing, and plenty of them aren't getting out there yet.
>
> The form can be filled out anonymously, but any information you DO give
> will be attributed anywhere this info is shared or synthesized.
>
> I tried to build the form to be generic enough to elicit a wide variety of
> responses, but as always, I'm wide open to suggestions to make it better.
> Changing it on the fly is simple enough, so I'm happy to do so if someone
> has a good idea.
>
> Also, space/community owners/managers: please distribute this survey to
> your members! Encourage them to share the survey around as well.
>
> That form link is: *http://j.mp/coworkquest* <http://j.mp/coworkquest>
>
> Thanks in advance for all of your input!
>
> -Alex
>
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Re: [Coworking] Twitter Lists for coworking

[Alex Hillman]

I put one of these lists together as well for IndyHall members and related
groups. The main thing I saw it as valuable for was new members who join and
want to follow other members.

http://twitter.com/alexknowshtml/indyhall

We've been doing a "list" like feed on our homepage since our relaunch in
the spring. Our hack, at the time, was to create an indyhall_bot twitter
account that we access for friend updates via the Twitter API. All our
script does is run every few minutes and grab the latest tweets and publish
them.

These days, though Twitter is giving away a list widget:

http://twitter.com/goodies/widget_list

That's pretty cool, eh?

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On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM, mitten  wrote:

> Hi there! Workantile Exchange in Ann Arbor is about 6 months old now
> and although we're not at full membership capacity yet, we're getting
> closer. One of the things we're trying to tackle is fostering a sense
> of community among the members (40+ right now) and I thought I'd share
> our latest idea, since it might be of interest to others here (and
> it's cheap).
>
> We set up a Twitter list of all the members who use Twitter:
> http://twitter.com/workantile/workantilers  It doesn't cover everyone
> (since not all members use Twitter), but it's a good start and an easy
> thing to do. Obviously not perfect for every kind of communication,
> but a nice way to get to know the membership at large, as we all come
> and go on quite irregular schedules.
>
> Anyway, thought I'd share the idea if it hasn't already occurred to
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Re: [Coworking] Twitter Lists for coworking

[Alex Hillman]

Jonathan, that's a rad implementation. I dig it!

-Alex

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On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Jonathan Markwell <
jonathan.markw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We've also done something similar at The Skiff with our members here:
>
> http://twitter.com/jot/skiffmates
>
> We've gone a step further and pulled our members' Twitter bios and
> most recent tweets into one page on our site using a little
> javascript:
>
> http://theskiff.org/crew/
>
> We need to update this to use the lists API but it's already much
> easier than maintaining a page of members manually.
>
> Jon.
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Alex Hillman
>  wrote:
> > I put one of these lists together as well for IndyHall members and
> related
> > groups. The main thing I saw it as valuable for was new members who join
> and
> > want to follow other members.
> >
> > http://twitter.com/alexknowshtml/indyhall
> >
> > We've been doing a "list" like feed on our homepage since our relaunch in
> > the spring. Our hack, at the time, was to create an indyhall_bot twitter
> > account that we access for friend updates via the Twitter API. All our
> > script does is run every few minutes and grab the latest tweets and
> publish
> > them.
> >
> > These days, though Twitter is giving away a list widget:
> >
> > http://twitter.com/goodies/widget_list
> >
> > That's pretty cool, eh?
> >
> > -Alex
> >
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> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM, mitten  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi there! Workantile Exchange in Ann Arbor is about 6 months old now
> >> and although we're not at full membership capacity yet, we're getting
> >> closer. One of the things we're trying to tackle is fostering a sense
> >> of community among the members (40+ right now) and I thought I'd share
> >> our latest idea, since it might be of interest to others here (and
> >> it's cheap).
> >>
> >> We set up a Twitter list of all the members who use Twitter:
> >> http://twitter.com/workantile/workantilers  It doesn't cover everyone
> >> (since not all members use Twitter), but it's a good start and an easy
> >> thing to do. Obviously not perfect for every kind of communication,
> >> but a nice way to get to know the membership at large, as we all come
> >> and go on quite irregular schedules.
> >>
> >> Anyway, thought I'd share the idea if it hasn't already occurred to
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Re: [Coworking] Storage Lockers included or value added

[Alex Hillman]

What sorts of things do people want to lock up/leave?

We've added lockers (found on craigslist twice now for VERY cheap). They get
used for various things, but I've noticed for the most part, they're not
actually being locked (which I find interesting) and just being used for
bags, binders, etc.

Without the ability to have permanent desks, I see that people would want a
place to leave things like desk supplies, but what of those needs to be
locked?

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On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Muskie  wrote:

> So cowork...@bob is moving along.  We keep showing the space and we
> have our first paying customer, but we have obsticals, we will be the
> first coworking space with an official Olympic art installation, this
> sounds impressive but what it means is our coworking space is
> basically a mess for a month or more.  We plan to just let people have
> that month free and if they need to work badly we'll accomodate them,
> but for a variety of reasons we had to say yes to the Olympics...
>
> But that isn't what this post is about.  I'm showing the space and one
> of the things people ask for is lockable storage.  We have some desks
> and cabinets that lock, but I thought we'll just buy enough lockers
> for one per coworker, not even knowing how many coworkers our space
> can fit.  20 is our cashflow positive number and the space is easily
> big enough for that.  People who have seen our space and the
> competition note our size, what we can't offer in this location is
> dedicated desks or private meeting rooms.  To solve the last one will
> require expanding the space.
>
> Before we expand we need paying customers and in order to get paying
> customers we may need to provide them with lockers.  We're offering a
> flat rate, cheaper than most competition, though more competition
> seems to emerge every week in Vancouver.  Luckily for BOB we're a non-
> profit and though our location isn't ideal, we have some goodwill and
> allies in the community and we're all for there being more than one
> coworking space, we just think our mandate can be expanded to include
> providing coworking, meeting, and event space as part of our economic
> and business development services.
>
> Anyway long story short should we add yet another start up expense and
> provide every potential coworker with their own locker, requiring us
> to buy 20+ lockers soon.  Or should we just buy one rack allowing us
> to potentially get bargains and then charge as other coworking spaces
> I've researched do, an additional monthly fee for dedicated lockable
> storage space?
>
> We have storage space, lots of room for bikes or coats, just nothing
> that locks beyond a few drawers and file cabinets, which I'm currently
> offering on a first come first serve basis...
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Storage Lockers included or value added

[Alex Hillman]

Awesome tip and example of prototyping and iterating in the real world!

-Alex

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On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Sarah Neal (OurSpace)  wrote:

> Maybe you could add 5 lockers and 10 cubbies. See which get used more
> and then base your decision on what your customers actually use the
> most.
>
> On Dec 11, 8:54 pm, Muskie  wrote:
> > So cowork...@bob is moving along.  We keep showing the space and we
> > have our first paying customer, but we have obsticals, we will be the
> > first coworking space with an official Olympic art installation, this
> > sounds impressive but what it means is our coworking space is
> > basically a mess for a month or more.  We plan to just let people have
> > that month free and if they need to work badly we'll accomodate them,
> > but for a variety of reasons we had to say yes to the Olympics...
> >
> > But that isn't what this post is about.  I'm showing the space and one
> > of the things people ask for is lockable storage.  We have some desks
> > and cabinets that lock, but I thought we'll just buy enough lockers
> > for one per coworker, not even knowing how many coworkers our space
> > can fit.  20 is our cashflow positive number and the space is easily
> > big enough for that.  People who have seen our space and the
> > competition note our size, what we can't offer in this location is
> > dedicated desks or private meeting rooms.  To solve the last one will
> > require expanding the space.
> >
> > Before we expand we need paying customers and in order to get paying
> > customers we may need to provide them with lockers.  We're offering a
> > flat rate, cheaper than most competition, though more competition
> > seems to emerge every week in Vancouver.  Luckily for BOB we're a non-
> > profit and though our location isn't ideal, we have some goodwill and
> > allies in the community and we're all for there being more than one
> > coworking space, we just think our mandate can be expanded to include
> > providing coworking, meeting, and event space as part of our economic
> > and business development services.
> >
> > Anyway long story short should we add yet another start up expense and
> > provide every potential coworker with their own locker, requiring us
> > to buy 20+ lockers soon.  Or should we just buy one rack allowing us
> > to potentially get bargains and then charge as other coworking spaces
> > I've researched do, an additional monthly fee for dedicated lockable
> > storage space?
> >
> > We have storage space, lots of room for bikes or coats, just nothing
> > that locks beyond a few drawers and file cabinets, which I'm currently
> > offering on a first come first serve basis...
> >
> > Cheers,
>
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Re: [Coworking] Open spaces or private desks?

[Alex Hillman]

We've intentionally designed our workspace to be blend of desk usage. We
don't exactly have the "big communal table" in place but we do have all of
our desk arranged in clusters. Each cluster (anywhere from 3-6 desks in a
cluster) is a mix of full time and flex desks, ensuring that someone coming
in to use a flex desk has a good chance of sitting down next to someone
who's a full member, and engaging.

At the moment, we're about 50/50 full time and flex desks. Some days our
flex desks are mostly free, some days they're nearly all full. The important
thing is making sure that someone coming in to use a flex desk isn't sitting
by themselves (or only with other flex members). They could sit alone at
home if they wanted :)

In terms of private offices, we've experimented more than once with the
offering. It's always been a nice boost in cash, but it's never been largely
beneficial for the community. People with private offices tend to stay in
those private offices, and we're a community workspace on purpose.

The other issue with private offices is when they hold teams: it's not a
hard and fast rule, but typically, it's much harder to socially integrate a
pre-existing team than it is an individual. Once again, our focus is on
members and their interactions, so unless it's the *right* team (or we could
use a cash injection), we avoid offering private offices.

Both of these decisions have largely contributed to our high usage of
drop-in space AND our retention and conversion to higher levels of
membership.

-Alex


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On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Tara Hunt  wrote:

> Open spaces...but private desks get sold more often (at Citizen Space)
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Mike Pihlman 
> wrote:
>
>> By far...the open space on the "Patio".  We have anywhere from 9 to 11
>> seats there. The rest of the space is open (we have three doors that can be
>> closed for privacy) but a bit removed.  There are about 20 seats in the
>> other areas.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message 
>> From: Sarah Neal (OurSpace) 
>> To: Coworking 
>> Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 1:14:56 PM
>> Subject: [Coworking] Open spaces or private desks?
>>
>> I've been reading many of the blogs and was wondering which gets
>> utilized more,
>>
>> 1. the open space (tables for everyone to share)
>> 2. Private desks
>> 3. Private offices
>>
>> and which you wish you had more of. Just thought I would throw the
>> question out there.
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Re: [Coworking] Open spaces or private desks?

[Alex Hillman]

I've also noticed that spaces with both private offices AND open floorplan
coworking space tend to struggle to fill the coworking space...while people
clamor for private offices.

People are wired to think that they NEED a private office, when in many
cases, they do not. And if they do, that's great...but that's not what
coworking is meant to solve. Offering private offices, in my opinion, can be
a distraction from the coworking interactions you're striving to create.

I think about it this way: when somebody walks in and sees something that
looks like an office, they're going to behave like it's an office. They're
going to keep to themselves, do their work, and go home at 5pm.

If you set things up to intentionally disrupt the mindset of "this is an
office", people find themselves more comfortable AND more productive.

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Mike Pihlman wrote:

> Follow-up:
>
> We give each member a cool personalized coffee mug.  If a member wants a
> particular desk (or space) the next morning they can leave their mug
> there the night before...seems to work nicely.  (FYI...I am coworking
> too...so I need to reserve a spot, my cubby holds pictures of my
> daughter, my chargers, etc.  I just move in each day in a new spot.  :-)
>
> Also...I have had LOTS of requests to rent an office (we have three with
> doors). Thus far I have resisted, feeling that that takes away from the
> "coworking" experience as I envision it...we are a small space (for now)
> so losing a room will have a major impact.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Mike Pihlman wrote:
> > By far...the open space on the "Patio".  We have anywhere from 9 to 11
> seats there. The rest of the space is open (we have three doors that can be
> closed for privacy) but a bit removed.  There are about 20 seats in the
> other areas.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Sarah Neal (OurSpace) 
> > To: Coworking 
> > Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 1:14:56 PM
> > Subject: [Coworking] Open spaces or private desks?
> >
> > I've been reading many of the blogs and was wondering which gets
> > utilized more,
> >
> > 1. the open space (tables for everyone to share)
> > 2. Private desks
> > 3. Private offices
> >
> > and which you wish you had more of. Just thought I would throw the
> > question out there.
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Re: [Coworking] Open spaces or private desks?

[Alex Hillman]

We've got a few rooms with doors on them too...like you said, for meeting
rooms and a place to make/take phone calls. They get used quite a bit.
Private space IS important. Private workspace is something else entirely. :)

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Mike Pihlman wrote:

> I took all the doors down originally, but, decided to put back the Math
> Island Classroom (where I tutor and can get noisy), and the rooms that
> can be used for private meetings.  Most of the time, the doors are
> open..being closed only for cell phone use and meetings with clients.
>
> Alex:  Thanks for comments!  :-)  I'll keep being stubborn wrt keeping
> this a coworking environment!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Raul Pacheco wrote:
> > I'm not the owner of The Network Hub (http://www.thenetworkhub.ca, in
> > Vancouver, Canada) but I have coworking there for more than a year, so
> > I can tell you that we do have private offices and open floorplan and
> > the collaborative process ignites pretty much the same. We do organize
> > events and gatherings with the whole community to build that sense of
> > collaboration.
> >
> > I think you can break down the isolation of private spaces if the
> > right tenants are there (e.g. if there are people who will knock on
> > others' doors and say "hey, coffee?") - that, in my mind, is a lot of
> > the success of coworking. Not only the physical conditions but also
> > the social environment (and the personal traits of individuals
> > themselves).
> >
> > Just my two cents,
> > Raul
> >
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> > Founder, Pacheco-Vega Consulting and Research Studio
> >
> > My research site can be found here http://www.raulpacheco.org
> > My personal blog is http://hummingbird604.com
> >
> >
> > My office is located at
> > The Network Hub
> > 3rd Floor, 422 Richards Street
> > Vancouver, B.C. V6B 2Z4
> >
> > Find me online on Twitter & Facebook
> > http://www.twitter.com/hummingbird604
> > http://www.twitter.com/raulpacheco
> > (http://www.facebook.com/drpachecovega)
> >
> > 2009/12/14 Alex Hillman  > <mailto:dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com>>
> >
> > I've also noticed that spaces with both private offices AND open
> > floorplan coworking space tend to struggle to fill the coworking
> > space...while people clamor for private offices.
> >
> > People are wired to think that they NEED a private office, when in
> > many cases, they do not. And if they do, that's great...but that's
> > not what coworking is meant to solve. Offering private offices, in
> > my opinion, can be a distraction from the coworking interactions
> > you're striving to create.
> >
> > I think about it this way: when somebody walks in and sees
> > something that looks like an office, they're going to behave like
> > it's an office. They're going to keep to themselves, do their
> > work, and go home at 5pm.
> >
> > If you set things up to intentionally disrupt the mindset of "this
> > is an office", people find themselves more comfortable AND more
> > productive.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
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> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Mike Pihlman
> > mailto:m...@telbitconsulting.com>>
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> >
> > Follow-up:
> >
> > We give each member a cool personalized coffee mug.  If a
> > member wants a
> > particular desk (or space) the next morning they can leave
> > their mug
> > there the night before...seems to work nicely.  (FYI...I am
> > coworking
> > too...so I need to reserve a spot, my cubby holds pictures of my
> > daugh

Re: [Coworking] Introducing Myself

[Alex Hillman]

Also see:
Social Capital, or Whuffie (cc: Tara Hunt)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_capital

Mark, why not start by *giving* us a little more info on your experiences
and backgrounds? :)

-Alex

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On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:20 PM, coolpops  wrote:

> I'm Mark.  My businesses are diverse.  I joined this group to
> introduce members to a simple rule that works for everyone.  Its
> called The Law of Reciprocity.  It works to ensure that you get by
> giving, and causes increase.   This Law can help you raise the money
> you need to start or expand your business.
>
> Having been blessed with the capacity to look at a business, see it as
> a hole, and see how to improve it, strengthen its top line, and create
> a smaller gap between the top line and the bottom line, I am willing
> to share my insights with you or anyone like you without charging you
> for everything I do.  Ask and it shall be granted unto you.
>
> Hit me up and see if I can help you grow your company.
>
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Re: [Coworking] Coworking Article in WSJ

[Alex Hillman]

Same here. 3 years later, we still have most *actual* members join
from word of mouth and our involvement and support of the communty.
Press certainly helps keep my mom quiet though :)

-Alex, IndyHall

On Wednesday, January 6, 2010, Jacob Sayles  wrote:
> Big press makes my mother happy and improves our google ranking. All that 
> aside, we haven't had anyone serious about signing up that said "I heard 
> about you in the WSJ". It does get us many interesting calls about opening in 
> other locations. Being involved in the local community is orders of magnitude 
> more effective.
>
> Sent from my iPhone in Brazil
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Rick  wrote:
>
> Dave brings up a good point.  Anyone using this press locally with members or 
> prospective members?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:09 AM, spacelogix  wrote:
> Well the hits just keep on coming. I like to free marketing that we
> can use to promote in our own markets with these articles.
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122252297&sc=emaf
>
>
> Darryl
> Space Logix
> Greensboro NC
>
> On Jan 5, 3:34 pm, Rick  wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Rick Myers from Strongbox West in Atlanta GA.
>>
>> Maybe I missed it, but it doesn't seem anyone has mentioned it, so I thought
>> I would pass along that there was a coworking piece in the WSJ on New Year's
>> Eve.
>>
>> You can read it
>> here<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870415280457462825332226...>
>> if
>> you like.
>>
>> -Rick
>>
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[Coworking] Member Retention

[Alex Hillman]

Over the last number of months, I've been hearing a lot of "we do this and
it works" along side a fair amount of "you should do that because we do" on
this list, and I'm the first to admit that I'm guilty of it as well.

Some recent threads have gotten me thinking about the pros and cons we talk
about on this list as related to *actual results* our spaces achieve. I've
got pretty strong feelings on why both permanent desks and flex desks are
critical, for instance. Rather than spout philosophy, though, we're going to
dig into our numbers as well as interview members to try to deduce some
actual "whys" related to their entry and exits from membership.

One part of this is going to be doing some analysis of our retention rate.
I'd like to do a larger study as well, that includes other coworking spaces
in varying degrees of maturity.

I've got a longer post about this here:

http://www.dangerouslyawesome.com/2010/01/06/the-r-word/

If you're willing to take some time to share the details of your retention
rates, I'd be very grateful. I'll likely be following up with anybody who
submits their analytics for more information down the road.

Please feel free to follow up on the list, or personally, if you have any
questions.

Cheers, and happy new year!!

Alex

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Re: [Coworking] Question from Miami Beach

[Alex Hillman]

>
> 1) How important is ground location?  Do you rely on "walk-by traffic" or
> "office space on upper floors" works just as well since most other
> co-workers find the place virally?
>
We've been discovered nearly 100% word of mouth. Both of our offices have
been 2nd floor. One was actually in an alley, whereas our new office is on a
main (numbered) street. Either which way, we don't rely (or even really get)
any walk-up traffic


> 2) Are credit checks standard and did you give a personal guarantee?
>
If you're talking about with the landlord, absolutely. Renting commercial
property typically involves some credit check (like renting residential).
HOWEVER I strongly urge you to NOT guarantee personally. The lease should be
in your coworking business's name to protect you and your personal assets
should something go wrong. Our current landlord asked us to guarentee the
lease personally and we declined, and still signed the lease anyway.

3) How many months security deposit did you leave?
>
2-3 is typical. We negotiated the ability to pay the 3rd month of security
spread out over a our first few months of occupancy to reduce our startup
costs, and they were totally cool with it.


> 4) Per the awesome suggestions on the board, we've got a core group of 5
> that are going to be residents.  Should we collectively form an LLC or
> should one of us (me) just take on the responsibility?  I understand with
> more members  there's more people to agree on action.

It's my and Geoff's personal opinion that the purpose of forming an LLC is
two-fold:
a) to protect the partners
b) to keep the business/decision making body lean and agile.

We take ALL of our member input very seriously, and most of our innovation
and growth is due to that. Them being "partners" in the LLC adds little to
nothing for them, or us, since we're including them in that decision making
process anyway. Since coworking businesses tend to be breakeven or
low-profit, there's not buckets of money to be made being a "partner".

Geoff has said many times before "being a partner of a coworking space is
funny because it comes with all of the hard parts of owning a business
(making decisions, holding the bag when something goes wrong) and very few
of the good parts (like cash, private jets, and castles).

5 partners of an LLC sounds like too many to remain efficient in the long
run to me, but that's just me. I'd pick one particularly aligned one who
WANTS to be a partner so you have some checks and balances, and perhaps
involve the rest in a less official "advisory board" that meets for lunch
every month,

-Alex

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Re: [Coworking] More coworking press out of CNN

[Alex Hillman]

The issue is that the dictionary marks the unhyphenated version as
incorrect.

If we could rally to get coworking into the dictionary this year (it being
the "year of coworking" and all), the problem would start to sort itself out
:)

-Alex

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Mike Schinkel
wrote:

> On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:40 PM, felicity at cubes wrote:
>
> Going solo mentions coworking in CNN article.  Includes Office Nomads,
> Beehive Baltimore, Sandbox Suites, and Cubes&Crayons...
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/worklife/01/07/on.the.go.office/
>
>
> I think we need to sic the hyphen police on CNN & NPR[1].  Where's Tara
> when you need her?  ;)
>
>
> (Kudos to WSJ[2].)
>
>
> -Mike Schinkel
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> [1] http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122252297
> [2]
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Question from Miami Beach

[Alex Hillman]

There's a reason that ground floor real estate is valuable: it's
the street-side equivalent of the candy bar section of the checkout aisle.

Now consider the cost of all of those impulse buy items...they're nominal.
"Oh, what's another .99?"

There's a reason that they don't sell iPods in checkout lines, it'd be a
waste of real estate!

Now I'm not saying you shouldn't take advantage of "walk up" in terms of
advertising...one of our biggest weaknesses is the fact that we've never
taken the time to put a sign outside advertising that we're even in the
building. People LOOKING for us even find it hard to locate us sometimes,
but that's our fault. But the increased cost of street-level space as
advertising for a coworking space seems wasteful to me.

I just don't think you're going to find that there are many potential
coworkers just walking down the street, laptop in tow, going..."HM...wonder
where I could work today...OH LOOK a room full of interesting looking
people!" and drop cash on the spot.

Unless you have some sort of public, value-add storefront (like a cafe that
looks into a coworking space, which is an interesting proposition for sure),
I can't see ground level really adding enough value to justify the increased
cost.

-Alex

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Angel  wrote:

> 1) How important is ground location?  Do you rely on "walk-by traffic"
> or "office space on upper floors" works just as well since most other
> co-workers find the place virally?
>
> We have been weighing ground vs upper level during our siting
> process.  Many want us to be on the ground floor because we get so
> much foot traffic in our Old Town area in Fort Collins, CO.  I don't
> think this will create walk-in traffic but hopefully signage and being
> able to see into the space from the sidewalk will at least get people
> curious enough to look us up on the web.
> -Angel
>
> On Jan 7, 11:18 am, Woodie Neiss  wrote:
> > Hi Co-warriors,
> >
> > So I just got back from scouting potential locations for South Beach's
> first coworking spot.  Good news, there's tons of space. This has led to a
> few questions for which I was hoping you could provide some answers::
> >
> > 1) How important is ground location?  Do you rely on "walk-by traffic" or
> "office space on upper floors" works just as well since most other
> co-workers find the place virally?
> > 2) Are credit checks standard and did you give a personal guarantee?
> > 3) How many months security deposit did you leave?
> > 4) Per the awesome suggestions on the board, we've got a core group of 5
> that are going to be residents.  Should we collectively form an LLC or
> should one of us (me) just take on the responsibility?  I understand with
> more members  there's more people to agree on action.
> >
> > The forum has really been beneficial for me, so I thank you!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Woodie
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Re: [Coworking] Re: NJ Coworking opening March 1, 2010

[Alex Hillman]

Having done some "deep diving" into our record keeping over the last 2.5
years, I'll tell you that the way I was keeping track of things vs. the way
they're tracked today has changed a LOT. Investing in even building
something would have been a waste, until we're as far along as we are now.

Speadsheets have kept us agile. Until you figure out what works for you and
your members, I'd go that way and then try to streamline your way into other
tools as workflows solidify.

-Alex



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On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, ConvergeNJ  wrote:

> Thanks everyone for your feedback and well wishes!
>
> I'm beyond amazed, still, that with all of these amazing spaces
> founded by amazingly smart and innovation people, that people haven't
> really gone beyond spreadsheets. Not in a bad way, just surprised is
> all. I suppose it sticks with the bootstrapping mindset of use what
> you have and make it happen, but it just seems so tedious and time
> consuming to hobble things together with spreadsheets and Google
> calendars, etc. Maybe it's not and I'm most likely over-complicating
> things while trying to plan for the long term rather than be prepared
> for the immediate needs.
>
> @ Nicole - I'd love to see what Jerome has built. I left you a voice
> mail and sent you a few emails. Hope to hear back from you soon!
>
> @ Tony - We'd be honored to have you over for a field trip! We'll also
> be planning an open house / grand opening / ribbon cutting for mid-
> march and will have a limo sent across the river for you!
>
> @ Todd - We're opening on the campus of Kean University in Union,
> NJ.Thanks for the tips on what you're using. Do you have Batchbooks
> automatically syncing with Freshbooks? We're going to try to get to
> SXSW this year - I've said that for the past 5 years, but this year
> I'm seriously trying to make it happen!
>
> Thanks again everyone,
> We'll keep you posted on the progress we're making over the next 42
> days until we open!
> Best regards,
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2:50 pm, "t...@c4workspace"  wrote:
> > Welcome and congratulations Steve!
> >
> > I'm a New Jersey native. Where are you located?
> >
> > We use Google Calendar for our scheduling. We have an Event Calendar
> > which is embedded in our website (WP platform). We have other
> > calendars for admin purposes: Conference Room and Community Space for
> > reservations (these are not publicly shared yet.); as well as Admin
> > and Marketing calendars to keep track of who is doing what and what is
> > due when. That's all free.
> >
> > We use Freshbooks for invoicing through PayPal. We can have a walk in
> > and they can pay almost immediately. Freshbooks costs us $14.95 a
> > month and PayPal takes their cut but we think it's worth it.
> >
> > We're using Batchbooks for people data (CRM). We have a form from
> > Batchbook embedded in our site so when someone joins on the website
> > their information automatically goes into Batchbooks. And that can be
> > sent to Freshbooks so we can invoice them. Batchbooks is $9.95 a
> > month.
> >
> > There's some expense there but it's a simple enough backend for non-
> > computer people like my wife to get it and do it with minimal
> > training.
> >
> > We also looked at Outright.com and Clarity Accounting for bookkeeping
> > but we haven't gone there yet. Outright pulls info from Freshbooks and
> > I think Clarity might do the same.
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > Coming to SXSW in Austin in March? We're planning a big coworking
> > shindig!
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Todd
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Re: [Coworking] Is this a values dilemma or am I overthinking it?

[Alex Hillman]

You're overthinkimg it.

If there's no cost to you and they create something truly valuable, rock on.

I wouldn't bank on the "silver bullet" being software, though.

No values quandary here, though. Their desire to sell software
shouldn't compromise your vision or values.

-Alex, IndyHall.org

On Wednesday, January 20, 2010, Angel  wrote:
> I am working on opening a space and was approached by a team of web
> developers (apparently the best in town, I heard) who want to develop
> the software that could integrate and solve a lot of owners' systems
> integration problems.  Imagine one unifying system that does pos,
> billing, reservations, real time updates of who's in the space,
> traffic tracking, online collaboration, keycard access, etc.  Yes, a
> dream come true.
>
> Here is my dilemma, they want to beta test the software in my
> coworking space--easy enough, I've done that type of thing before but
> ultimately they want to commoditize the software and sell it at the
> end of the process.  This seems counter to the coworking values of
> openness and collaboration.
>
> I feel like if I go with them, I might be perceived as "selling out"
> but if I don't, I will probably end up with some kind of
> frankensteinish conglomeration of systems that don't all play well
> together.
> Am trying to decide if I want to partner with them and am hoping this
> community can weigh in with thoughts on this issue.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Coworking] Is this a values dilemma or am I overthinking it?

[Alex Hillman]

You're overthinkimg it.

If there's no cost to you and they create something truly valuable, rock on.

I wouldn't bank on the "silver bullet" being software, though.

No values quandary here, though. Their desire to sell software
shouldn't compromise your vision or values.

-Alex, IndyHall.org

On Wednesday, January 20, 2010, Angel  wrote:
> I am working on opening a space and was approached by a team of web
> developers (apparently the best in town, I heard) who want to develop
> the software that could integrate and solve a lot of owners' systems
> integration problems.  Imagine one unifying system that does pos,
> billing, reservations, real time updates of who's in the space,
> traffic tracking, online collaboration, keycard access, etc.  Yes, a
> dream come true.
>
> Here is my dilemma, they want to beta test the software in my
> coworking space--easy enough, I've done that type of thing before but
> ultimately they want to commoditize the software and sell it at the
> end of the process.  This seems counter to the coworking values of
> openness and collaboration.
>
> I feel like if I go with them, I might be perceived as "selling out"
> but if I don't, I will probably end up with some kind of
> frankensteinish conglomeration of systems that don't all play well
> together.
> Am trying to decide if I want to partner with them and am hoping this
> community can weigh in with thoughts on this issue.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Coworking] Possible new space, a few questions first

[Alex Hillman]

Mike,

Take a look at IndyHall's Coworking FAQ's, notably the video at the
bottom, where we address almost all of your questions.

http://Indyhall.org/coworking-faqs/

Cheers,

Alex, IndyHall

On Wednesday, January 20, 2010, Mike Weiss  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I'm new around these parts, but I've been doing a lot of research over
> the last few weeks. I am currently a web developer, and I am seriously
> considering opening a coworking space in my city.
>
> I have a lot more research to do, but I have a few apprehensions that
> I wanted to discuss with the members here.
>
> Do you think that there is a minimum city population or density
> required to make a space successful? I notice that most spaces are in
> really dense cities, or cities larger than 50,000 people.
>
> Do you think competition should be a big concern? There are a lot of
> empty buildings and offices in my area, and I worry that someone with
> more investment money could undercut me for a long enough period of
> time to drown me.
>
> Do most spaces have hired help to oversee the space during lunch/
> meetings, or do they just trust residents to keep an eye on the place
> while out?
>
> Have any space owners held meetups prior to full commitment to gauge
> community interests? Did the interest turn into actual residents?
>
> Hopefully I'll be in a good position to open up shop in the coming
> year, and I can prove it to be a viable business opportunity.
>
> Thanks everyone for your advice.
> Mike
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Re: [Coworking] Possible new space, a few questions first

[Alex Hillman]

>
> When we researched Fly The Coop we asked people what kind of space they
> wanted. We predicted:
>
> - Professional/business-like
> - Good transport links, but decent car-parking
> - Plenty of meeting rooms
>
> What they asked for over-whelmingly was a bohemian-style with cheap rents,
> near train stations, somewhere to stash their bicycles and a desk. The exact
> opposite of what we thought.
>
> So, go and research your audience, and then provide something they'll
> really love. Somebody with more investment will have a different audience in
> mind. FTC has a hot-desking and "flexible working solutions" space around
> the corner from us, corporate owned, furniture that must have cost a
> fortune, etc. - none of our members particularly love it, but plenty of
> other people must do.
>
> See? Room for everybody, just talk to *your* customers.


*This is ace advice.  *Nice, Paul.

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Re: [Coworking] 2 Years

[Alex Hillman]

Congrats on the milestone, Felicity!

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On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:11 PM, felicity at cubes <
felicity.chap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Somehow Cubes&Crayons' 2 year birthday came up and surprised me this
> year.  As many of you are now thinking of launching new spaces, 2
> years in the coworking world suddenly seems like a long time.  What I
> can tell you for those of you embarking into this arena is that is
> challenging, thrilling, and after 2 years, we have hit our stride.
> Just this month we have seen an enormous surge in new members and an
> increase in use.
>
> Coworking is definitely becoming more well-known and talked about it
> and I feel lucky to be part of this great community.  So as we
> celebrate 2 years, I definitely want to reach out and thank all of you
> in the coworking group who have shared ideas, thoughts, conversations
> and more as we learned with all of you about how to make this exciting
> concept work.  I have found great resources and new friends.
>
> I look forward to being part of the community for many years to come.
> And for those of you in the Mountain View area, drop in Monday or
> Tuesday this week for a cupcake - because, we do believe you can have
> your cake and eat it, too!
>
> All the best,
> Felicity
> Cubes&Crayons
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Re: [Coworking] Coworking Annual Meeting???

[Alex Hillman]

There's already a rather significant contingent of coworking folks that meet
annually at SXSW Interactive, unofficially of course...but I think it'd be
great to piggyback on that continued momentum.

Austin's pretty great for this, the weather is nice, and the conversation is
ALREADY taking place...it could just be more focused!

-Alex

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On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Woodie Neiss  wrote:

> Anyone want to get together for the first International Coworking Community
> Annual Meeting in ummm let’s say a warm, sunny place like Miami?  Sort of
> a one day event where we could discuss best practices, set some protocols
> for future coworking locations and formally organize ourselves so that we
> can leverage our combined power?
>
>
>
> Suggested topics to discuss (feel free to edit/add to/delete/etc)
>
>
>
> 1)   Keys to success
>
> a. pricing
>
> b. Serivices to offer
>
> 2)   Managing the bottom line
>
> a. Financing the start up
>
> b. Negotiating lease agreements
>
> c.  Managing monthly expenses
>
> 3)   Marketing & PR
>
> a. Building awareness
>
> b. How to generate more buzz
>
> c.  The power of meet-ups
>
> d. Leveraging your chamber of commerce
>
> 4)   Creative suggestions from some of our winning locations
>
> 5)   How to formally organize ourselves into an International organization
>
>
>
> Perhaps we could all complete some surveys prior, and then present the
> results at the meeting as well?
>
> Regards,
> Woodie
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Re: [Coworking] coworking article - old but useful

[Alex Hillman]

Nice share, Liu.

PSFK has covered coworking a few times, including this one that has quotes
from Geoff:

http://www.psfk.com/2007/08/coworking-a-brighter-9-to-5.html

I think this was the first time Geoff was cited calling coworking a
"clubhouse", a metaphor we continue to reenforce.

-Alex

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2010/2/1 Liu Yan 

> Here I would like to share an old article from psfk.com written in 2008
> about coworking (but still relevant)
> http://www.psfk.com/2008/04/a-deeper-look-at-co-working.html
>
> As well as the our one of few press coverage in English (thanks lord, we
> have something to show here)
> http://www.psfk.com/2009/09/xindanwei-shanghai-shared-workspace.html
>
> cheers, Yan
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Coworking] Open space or offices ?

[Alex Hillman]

Open spaces rule, IMO, but it's undeniably hard to get people that are used
to offices interested in open space.

I think it simply attracts a different kind of person.

-Alex

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On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Mike Pihlman wrote:

> OK, we have a chance (as our 1 year anniversary approaches) to move to the
> office space next to ours.  Ours has a nice open area maybe 12 x 12 (The
> Patio).  The rest of the space has a hallway with offices 5 of them on
> either side, and storage.  I took the doors down on the left side to
> encourage openness, but, use the right side offices (with doors) for cell
> phone use, private meetings, etc.  See floorplan here:
> http://www.tracyvirtualoffice.com/cool-links/floorplan/
>
> The next door space has three offices (the same as the old space on the
> right) that can be used for meetings, cell phone etc, but the rest of the
> space is wide open.  The space looks and feels huge even though it is "only"
> 200 sq ft larger.
>
> Our (mostly gut) feeling is that the open space would be better.  But, I
> was wondering if you had advice or thoughts?
>
>
> Thanks, Mike
>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Open space or offices ?

[Alex Hillman]

I'd also point out that, anecdotally, I've seen spaces have to work much
harder to fill coworking when they offer both options (private offices and
open coworking layouts). The problem, I think, is that private offices are
familiar, and people will gravitate towards the things that are most
familiar to them.

Culturally, giving people a chance to even see a familiar option inhibits
their ability to walk into a coworking space open minded...something that
we've found helps get people acclimated to the "different" ways of working.
Anything you can do to make the first moments of seeing your workspace be
strikingly different, to elicit the "ok, I'm ready for anything today"
feeling from your new prospectives will mean they are likely to get more out
of their first day, and more likely to join as coworkers that contribute to
the culture of the space that you're trying to engender.

There's some chaos that comes with open spaces, and they aren't for
everyone. We do turn people away who are looking for private offices. But
we've also tried having private offices and the value their inhabitants
added as contributing members of the coworking community were much lower
than the average.

>From a business perspective, since that is worth considering,...open
floorplans also mean more flexibility and therefore opportunity for revenue.
Offices have a fixed price, a market value that's hard to change in your
members' eyes. Even if you're introducing all of the "warm fuzzies" of
coworking, a desk is still only worth a certain amount.

Whereas coworking space and open, flexible floorplans provide an opportunity
for creating new price points. Flexible space means that optimizing for
growth is much easier. And finally...while anchor members are important for
establishing your revenue base, having flexible desk options means that so
long as you can fill them, your revenue potential per flex desk is likely to
be higher than your anchor desks! In our case, a flex desk has a maximum
revenue potential of $300/month (our most expensive monthly plan). But a
flex desk with a basic member at it every day is has a potential of $600,
and a flex desk with a drop in at it every day has a potential of $1000.

-Alex

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On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:38 AM, David Troy  wrote:

> Yes, I need to put in a big vote for "open" here as well. Walls are
> barriers to culture. To the extent that you want coworking to engender
> common culture, you want it to be able to flow freely.
>
> We have two large rooms, and two small offices that hang off the one
> largest room. Invariably people want to be in the large main room because
> that's where the energy is. The folks in the two offices are constantly
> poking their heads out to be a part of what's happening in the main area.
>
> The secondary room is more of an overflow room at this point and it only
> gets used occasionally or for meetings. If it was used every day all the
> time, it would invariably have a different cultural "feel" to it than the
> main room.
>
> IndyHall, in its version 1.0, had two floors and Alex has remarked that the
> main floor and the mezzanine folks had two different cultures; not vastly
> different but enough to notice.
>
> That all said, Beehive Baltimore's space is something we took over as-is.
> If we get the chance to design our own space, it'll be primarily open space
> with perhaps a couple of meeting areas and possibly some tiny spaces
> appropriate for phone calls.
>
> If you're doing nothing but private offices I think it devolves into being
> executive suites pretty quickly, and that's a different thang.
>
> Dave
>
> --
> Dave Troy
> Organizer
> Beehive Baltimore
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:41 AM, jesse  wrote:
>
>> Open. We've got 20 dedicated desks in a large open plan space.
>> Probably self-selecting, but the folks here seem happy with it. Easier
>> to start or join a conversation with neighbors, and lots of energy
>> seeing other people excited and working on their projects.
>> Occasionally we have bizarro moments where it seems like everyone is
>> on a phone call with a client, but usually it paces out fine.
>>
>> The fact you would also have dedicated private space for meetings and
>> private calls is valuable.
>>
>> Jesse
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> Jesse Taggert
>> Citizen Space
>> San Francisco, CA
>> http://citizenspace.us
>> @citizenspace
>>
>>
>> On Feb 2, 1:43 pm, Mike Pihlman  wrote:
>> > OK, we have a chance (as our 1 year anniversary approaches) to move to
>> > the office space next to ours.  Ours has a nice open area maybe 12 x 12
>> > (The Patio).  The rest of the space has a hallway with offices 5 of them
>> > on either side, and storage.  I took the doors down on the left side to
>> > encourage openness, but, use the right side offices (with doors) for
>> > cell phone use, private meetings, etc.  See floorplan here:
>> http://www.tracyvirtualoffice.com/cool-links/floorplan/
>> >
>> >

Re: [Coworking] 2 years

[Alex Hillman]

Wahoo! I'm so glad I got to finally see station-c this past summer.
Congrats Patrick and Daniel!

On Thursday, February 4, 2010, Woodie Neiss  wrote:
> Wow another beautiful space!  congrats!  we are site selecting here in 
> Miami  right now and looking at all your beautiful spaces gives me 
> inspiration!
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Donna Snow wrote:
> Congratulations Patrick! - great looking space!
>
> Donna 'SnowWrite' Snow
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Patrick  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Not to pat our own backs too much but... today's our second
> anniversary! Woohoo!
>
>
> Patrick
> http://station-c.com 
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Annual Meeting???

[Alex Hillman]

I think this is simple:

So long as the event has clearly stated objectives that I can align with
(even if I don't agree with), I'd attend.

It sounds like you've got a rad vision, Rachel, and I think you should rock
out. Keep us posted.

-Alex

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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:37 PM, rachel young  wrote:

>
> Nope, I haven't been to SXSW. I've been to a wide range of conferences
> before, have planned conferences and tradeshows, and am looking forward to
> NXNE finally adding interactive to the Toronto event this year. I know that
> SXSWi has a comfortable and familiar feeling to it, and it is a popular
> destination among the tech crowd. I don't completely know first hand what
> I'm missing out on. What I do know is that it is already a blended
> conference - music, film, and interactive. Does it really need to be the
> department store of a conference destination by adding coworking to it as
> well? Some people might not want to tack on an extra 2days away from home
> and their space to attend a conference when they could space it out their
> professional conference activities to include a coworking conference at
> another time of year, in another across the country or in a difference
> country.
>
> And don't get me wrong, I'm not discouraging coworking get togethers at
> SXSW, or sessions about coworking, or socials between coworking folks. I
> think all of that is awesome, and I look forward to your stories about them.
> But I do love the idea of a separate business conference specifically for
> coworking. We have an already strong industry that many of you have already
> put in a lot of footwork, and we have the potential to continue building
> this industry, and could possibly leverage our buying power as a collective
> to do so.
>
> And yes, I recognise that I've been fairly quiet in this group for 2yrs and
> now that I've announced our space I come in with blazing support for a
> separate conference, but please don't take my quiet nature as passive or
> disinterested all this time. I've been thinking of planning a conference for
> the Canadian coworking facilities for over a year, I just haven't verbalised
> it. But why do it only for a few handful of spaces if it could be for so
> many more?
>
> In keeping with the idea of moving it around different regions each year,
> it means that each city coordinates the conference themselves after winning
> the vote of the collective, and that city planning committee could be one
> individual space or a group of spaces working together. They take care of
> all of the planning and logistics - and it doesn't have to rest solely on
> the shoulders of space owners; it could be a member who wants to swap space
> for service, or they could hire a conference planner to take care of all of
> it. If it is operated as a collective, then there isn't a need for a formal
> coworking association, at least not to start.
>
> I see it as a great opportunity to not always be the ones who travel (as
> you said), and to have the opportunity to see spaces and meet many of you
> without the distraction of another conference or event.
> r.
>
>
>
>
> On 4 February 2010 12:31, coworking  wrote:
>
>> Rachel, have you been to SXSW?
>>
>> There are pros and cons for a separate event vs. extending to a "ready
>> made" event. If coworking "founders/workers" are already going to SXSW
>> and all we have to do is add an extra day/two to it, why would we want
>> to have, yet another flight/drive?
>>
>> Different locations are a plus to be able to experience different
>> coworking locations. Not having to "always be the one" to travel from
>> a distant location is a plus, too. Who will do all this marketing to
>> gather sponsors, hotel room block discounts, etc.? How will we decide
>> who the event planner/manager will be? I'm not aware of a "formal"
>> coworking association with dues or marketing management for all of us.
>> I'm sure there are other issues that will need to be worked out if
>> your suggested approach is endorsed. Just some food for thought.
>>
>> Most cordially at your service,
>> Denise Reed
>> www.theconciergelevel.com
>>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Annual Meeting???

[Alex Hillman]

Visual recording is awesome! One of our members does it and he took notes
during our last town hall meeting:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dangerouslyawesome/4053220205/in/photostream/

-Alex

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On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Drew  wrote:

> Hi All-
>
> There will be a Cowo Brainstorm at Conjunctured (Austin) the Sunday (I
> think that's 14 March) of SXSW (~3-5pm), where we will have a graphic
> facilitator scribing the conversation for all of us to have going
> forward. Informal, all are invited, and before the evening's drinks
> commence...  Sort of a powwow of interested folks who are in town.
> There will be a wiki posted next week for folks to post topics/
> interests in advance so that we can cover as much ground as possible.
>
> Hope to see tons of you there!
> Cheers,
> Drew
>
> On Feb 5, 10:53 pm, Alex Hillman  wrote:
> > I think this is simple:
> >
> > So long as the event has clearly stated objectives that I can align with
> > (even if I don't agree with), I'd attend.
> >
> > It sounds like you've got a rad vision, Rachel, and I think you should
> rock
> > out. Keep us posted.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > /ah
> > indyhall.org
> > coworking in philadelphia
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:37 PM, rachel young 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Nope, I haven't been to SXSW. I've been to a wide range of conferences
> > > before, have planned conferences and tradeshows, and am looking forward
> to
> > > NXNE finally adding interactive to the Toronto event this year. I know
> that
> > > SXSWi has a comfortable and familiar feeling to it, and it is a popular
> > > destination among the tech crowd. I don't completely know first hand
> what
> > > I'm missing out on. What I do know is that it is already a blended
> > > conference - music, film, and interactive. Does it really need to be
> the
> > > department store of a conference destination by adding coworking to it
> as
> > > well? Some people might not want to tack on an extra 2days away from
> home
> > > and their space to attend a conference when they could space it out
> their
> > > professional conference activities to include a coworking conference at
> > > another time of year, in another across the country or in a difference
> > > country.
> >
> > > And don't get me wrong, I'm not discouraging coworking get togethers at
> > > SXSW, or sessions about coworking, or socials between coworking folks.
> I
> > > think all of that is awesome, and I look forward to your stories about
> them.
> > > But I do love the idea of a separate business conference specifically
> for
> > > coworking. We have an already strong industry that many of you have
> already
> > > put in a lot of footwork, and we have the potential to continue
> building
> > > this industry, and could possibly leverage our buying power as a
> collective
> > > to do so.
> >
> > > And yes, I recognise that I've been fairly quiet in this group for 2yrs
> and
> > > now that I've announced our space I come in with blazing support for a
> > > separate conference, but please don't take my quiet nature as passive
> or
> > > disinterested all this time. I've been thinking of planning a
> conference for
> > > the Canadian coworking facilities for over a year, I just haven't
> verbalised
> > > it. But why do it only for a few handful of spaces if it could be for
> so
> > > many more?
> >
> > > In keeping with the idea of moving it around different regions each
> year,
> > > it means that each city coordinates the conference themselves after
> winning
> > > the vote of the collective, and that city planning committee could be
> one
> > > individual space or a group of spaces working together. They take care
> of
> > > all of the planning and logistics - and it doesn't have to rest solely
> on
> > > the shoulders of space owners; it could be a member who wants to swap
> space
> > > for service, or they could hire a conference planner to take care of
> all of
> > > it. If it is operated as a collective, then there isn't a need for a
> formal
> > > coworking association, at least not to start.
> >
> > > I see it as a great opportunity to not always be the ones who travel
> (as
> > > you said), and to have the opportunity to see spaces and meet many of
> you
> > > without the distraction

Re: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Annual Meeting???

[Alex Hillman]

it's not uncommon for our members to be business center refugees ("I tried
working at Regus...that sucked"), and we actively work to create language
and activities to help people understand the difference between executive
business centers and coworking. I know we are not alone in this mission.

I can't see us aligning with the goals or values of an executive business
center organization, and so, I can't see us working with one. This feels
like potential for serious confusion for prospective coworking communities,
and a distraction for ones that are already in progress.

Not to say it can't be done, but I'm cautious of how this takes place.

-Alex

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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, James Hackett  wrote:

> I have been collaborating with the head of ABCN already. That org is a
> global network of exec centers.  Coworking technically falls under a niche
> within biz centers and I've just proposed to ABCN to create a new, separate
> group. We utilize their experience with alliances and therefore their
> infrastructure.
>
> Any thoughts or serious objections?
>
>
>
> Collaborating with a group like ABCN seems like a great natural fit for
> co-working locations Jerome. I'd love to hear/talk more and get involved.
>
> James
> Cruzio Internet
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:
>
> Oh. Traditional is fine. I just thought having much further discussion
> about a co-op would be reinventingte wheel. From what I've seen, we have two
> related proposals:
>1. National org/network/co-op
>2. National conference
>
> Forming #1 would assign the people/resources toward creating #1 and at the
> same time, create add'l discussions/collaborations/benefits throughout the
> year regardless of the conference.
>
> I have been collaborating with the head of ABCN already. That org is a
> global network of exec centers.  Coworking technically falls under a niche
> within biz centers and I've just proposed to ABCN to create a new, separate
> group. We utilize their experience with alliances and therefore their
> infrastructure.
>
> Any thoughts or serious objections?
>
>
> Jerome
>
> On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Mike Schinkel 
> wrote:
>
> Sounds like a "traditional" alliance or org that services all coworking
> facilities.  Members pitch in a monthly/yearly amount to an org that returns
> them benefits, etc.
>
>
> So, do you think "traditional" is good or bad?
>
> -Mike
>
> On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:
>
> Sounds like a "traditional" alliance or org that services all coworking
> facilities.  Members pitch in a monthly/yearly amount to an org that returns
> them benefits, etc.
>
>   __
> BLANKSPACES
> "work wide open"
>
> www.blankspaces.com
> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea)
> Los Angeles, CA 90036
> 323.330.9505 (office)
>
> On Feb 7, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The first thing I thought about when I saw this topic come through was
> "Great, yet another expense on top of all the other expenses we have."
>
> As some of you know we operate Ignition Alley mostly as a service to our
> local startup and freelance community and much less to generate a profit.
>  Attending a conference means probably $1000+ in travel expenses and that is
> not attractive.
>
>
> But then I thought "This need not be like commercial conferences, it could
> be in run like coworking itself as a collaborative for the benefit of those
> who participate and not as a way for someone to make money."  So at a very
> high level I'd like to propose the following without having worked out all
> the details:
>
>
> -- Create a coworking facility co-op
>
> -- Each facility that wants to can participate in the co-op
>
> -- The co-op runs the conference
>
> -- Co-op members work to get sponsors
>
> -- The co-op markets to economic development agencies, chambers of
> commerce, and major corporations[1] for paid attendance
>
> -- Co-op members get their cut of the profits which help them pay to attend
> the event
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -Mike Schinkel
> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
> http://ignitionalley.com
>
> [1] Major corporations are starting to look to the coworking model to be
> greener in facility use and to maximize worker/space density to cut costs.
>
> On Feb 3, 2010, at 10:30 PM, rachel young wrote:
>
>
> I think an annual coworking conference is a great idea, something dedicated
> to coworking, not tacked on to another event. Something where we could focus
> on coworking and community issues, meet each other, see one another's cities
> and spaces. I'm in!
>
> There would have to be a lot of value to it in order to bring these already
> busy and stretched folks our of their spaces for a few days, though,
> something that could leverage our buying power for, I dunno, office
> furniture or health care benefits or travel discounts or something.
> Something where we can not 

Re: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Annual Meeting???

[Alex Hillman]

eir national contacts.
>E. ABCN already has something very similar to our Coworking VISA,
> with which members of one location can utilize another location, including
> reservation and payment systems.  Typical exec centers earn 10x their
> $225/monthly dues.  We could of course set out our own monthly fees, if any.
>  We of course would NOT have to join ABCN and form some monthly dues for
> coworking facilities, but should WE WANT TO, it's there for us to utilize.
>F. As much as we like to think that coworking is entirely new or
> distinct, I still believe we do have enough common traits with exec centers
> to LEARN from what them, sort of like learning from parents/grandparents.
>  In fact, the exec centers thought they themselves were all so new way back
> when, and as a result, made mistakes that they could've easily avoided had
> they learned from others. Ie., they were all initially collaborative between
> "brands"/companies until a lot of facilities opened up next door to another
> and competition set in.  Had they figured out how to maintain that
> collaboration/friendliness early on, they wouldn't have the cutthroat
> competition they have now.
>
> Ok, sorry so long, but I wanted to make sure I could include all notes from
> our lengthy discussion.
>
>
>
> Jerome
> __
> BLANKSPACES
> "work wide open"
>
> www.blankspaces.com
> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea)
> Los Angeles, CA 90036
> 323.330.9505 (office)
>
> On Feb 8, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Angel wrote:
>
>  I agree with Alex, most of my time right now is spent explaining how
>> coworking is different from exec. centers (since everyone here is
>> familiar with exec centers).  If we affiliate under that umbrella,
>> then it just gets messy.
>>
>> On Feb 8, 11:00 am, Alex Hillman  wrote:
>>
>>> it's not uncommon for our members to be business center refugees ("I
>>> tried
>>> working at Regus...that sucked"), and we actively work to create language
>>> and activities to help people understand the difference between executive
>>> business centers and coworking. I know we are not alone in this mission.
>>>
>>> I can't see us aligning with the goals or values of an executive business
>>> center organization, and so, I can't see us working with one. This feels
>>> like potential for serious confusion for prospective coworking
>>> communities,
>>> and a distraction for ones that are already in progress.
>>>
>>> Not to say it can't be done, but I'm cautious of how this takes place.
>>>
>>> -Alex
>>>
>>> /ah
>>> indyhall.org
>>> coworking in philadelphia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, James Hackett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been collaborating with the head of ABCN already. That org is a
>>>> global network of exec centers.  Coworking technically falls under a
>>>> niche
>>>> within biz centers and I've just proposed to ABCN to create a new,
>>>> separate
>>>> group. We utilize their experience with alliances and therefore their
>>>> infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Any thoughts or serious objections?
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Collaborating with a group like ABCN seems like a great natural fit for
>>>> co-working locations Jerome. I'd love to hear/talk more and get
>>>> involved.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  James
>>>> Cruzio Internet
>>>>
>>>
>>>  On Feb 7, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Oh. Traditional is fine. I just thought having much further discussion
>>>> about a co-op would be reinventingte wheel. From what I've seen, we have
>>>> two
>>>> related proposals:
>>>>   1. National org/network/co-op
>>>>   2. National conference
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Forming #1 would assign the people/resources toward creating #1 and at
>>>> the
>>>> same time, create add'l discussions/collaborations/benefits throughout
>>>> the
>>>> year regardless of the conference.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  I have been collaborating with the head of ABCN already. That org is a
>>>> global network of exec centers.  Coworking technically falls under a
>>>> niche
>>>> within biz centers and I've just proposed to ABCN to create a new,
>&g

Re: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Annual Meeting???

[Alex Hillman]

/ah
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Woodie Neiss  wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I'm all for taking this offline so we aren't bombarding people with emails.
>  Is there a way to move this discussion into a subfolder on the google
> groups and then we can take it from there?
>
> Regards,
> Woodie
>
> On Feb 9, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Eli Malinsky wrote:
>
> > For what it's worth, I definitely don't think an association with ABCN
> > is the right move...i think it confuses the picture and also situates
> > the coworking movement within a very typical association model (and
> > subordinates it to a larger industry). i think an annual conference is
> > great and the idea of doing something unique, unconferencey, and
> > distributed is directly in line with coworking values.
> >
> > Eli Malinsky
> > Centre for Social Innovation
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 8, 1:00 pm, Alex Hillman  wrote:
> >> it's not uncommon for our members to be business center refugees ("I
> tried
> >> working at Regus...that sucked"), and we actively work to create
> language
> >> and activities to help people understand the difference between
> executive
> >> business centers and coworking. I know we are not alone in this mission.
> >>
> >> I can't see us aligning with the goals or values of an executive
> business
> >> center organization, and so, I can't see us working with one. This feels
> >> like potential for serious confusion for prospective coworking
> communities,
> >> and a distraction for ones that are already in progress.
> >>
> >> Not to say it can't be done, but I'm cautious of how this takes place.
> >>
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> /ah
> >> indyhall.org
> >> coworking in philadelphia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, James Hackett 
> wrote:
> >>> I have been collaborating with the head of ABCN already. That org is a
> >>> global network of exec centers.  Coworking technically falls under a
> niche
> >>> within biz centers and I've just proposed to ABCN to create a new,
> separate
> >>> group. We utilize their experience with alliances and therefore their
> >>> infrastructure.
> >>
> >>> Any thoughts or serious objections?
> >>
> >>> Collaborating with a group like ABCN seems like a great natural fit for
> >>> co-working locations Jerome. I'd love to hear/talk more and get
> involved.
> >>
> >>> James
> >>> Cruzio Internet
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh. Traditional is fine. I just thought having much further discussion
> >>> about a co-op would be reinventingte wheel. From what I've seen, we
> have two
> >>> related proposals:
> >>>   1. National org/network/co-op
> >>>   2. National conference
> >>
> >>> Forming #1 would assign the people/resources toward creating #1 and at
> the
> >>> same time, create add'l discussions/collaborations/benefits throughout
> the
> >>> year regardless of the conference.
> >>
> >>> I have been collaborating with the head of ABCN already. That org is a
> >>> global network of exec centers.  Coworking technically falls under a
> niche
> >>> within biz centers and I've just proposed to ABCN to create a new,
> separate
> >>> group. We utilize their experience with alliances and therefore their
> >>> infrastructure.
> >>
> >>> Any thoughts or serious objections?
> >>
> >>> Jerome
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Mike Schinkel  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds like a "traditional" alliance or org that services all coworking
> >>> facilities.  Members pitch in a monthly/yearly amount to an org that
> returns
> >>> them benefits, etc.
> >>
> >>> So, do you think "traditional" is good or bad?
> >>
> >>> -Mike
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds like a "traditional" alliance or org that services all coworking
> >>> facilities.  Members pitch in a monthly/yearly amount to an org that
> returns
> >>> them benefits, etc.
> >>
> >>>  

Re: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Annual Meeting???

[Alex Hillman]

Sadly, Woody, there isn't.

This actually brings up another good point, something I'll start a new
thread for...

/ah
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Woodie Neiss  wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I'm all for taking this offline so we aren't bombarding people with emails.
>  Is there a way to move this discussion into a subfolder on the google
> groups and then we can take it from there?
>
> Regards,
> Woodie
>
> On Feb 9, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Eli Malinsky wrote:
>
> > For what it's worth, I definitely don't think an association with ABCN
> > is the right move...i think it confuses the picture and also situates
> > the coworking movement within a very typical association model (and
> > subordinates it to a larger industry). i think an annual conference is
> > great and the idea of doing something unique, unconferencey, and
> > distributed is directly in line with coworking values.
> >
> > Eli Malinsky
> > Centre for Social Innovation
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 8, 1:00 pm, Alex Hillman  wrote:
> >> it's not uncommon for our members to be business center refugees ("I
> tried
> >> working at Regus...that sucked"), and we actively work to create
> language
> >> and activities to help people understand the difference between
> executive
> >> business centers and coworking. I know we are not alone in this mission.
> >>
> >> I can't see us aligning with the goals or values of an executive
> business
> >> center organization, and so, I can't see us working with one. This feels
> >> like potential for serious confusion for prospective coworking
> communities,
> >> and a distraction for ones that are already in progress.
> >>
> >> Not to say it can't be done, but I'm cautious of how this takes place.
> >>
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> /ah
> >> indyhall.org
> >> coworking in philadelphia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, James Hackett 
> wrote:
> >>> I have been collaborating with the head of ABCN already. That org is a
> >>> global network of exec centers.  Coworking technically falls under a
> niche
> >>> within biz centers and I've just proposed to ABCN to create a new,
> separate
> >>> group. We utilize their experience with alliances and therefore their
> >>> infrastructure.
> >>
> >>> Any thoughts or serious objections?
> >>
> >>> Collaborating with a group like ABCN seems like a great natural fit for
> >>> co-working locations Jerome. I'd love to hear/talk more and get
> involved.
> >>
> >>> James
> >>> Cruzio Internet
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh. Traditional is fine. I just thought having much further discussion
> >>> about a co-op would be reinventingte wheel. From what I've seen, we
> have two
> >>> related proposals:
> >>>   1. National org/network/co-op
> >>>   2. National conference
> >>
> >>> Forming #1 would assign the people/resources toward creating #1 and at
> the
> >>> same time, create add'l discussions/collaborations/benefits throughout
> the
> >>> year regardless of the conference.
> >>
> >>> I have been collaborating with the head of ABCN already. That org is a
> >>> global network of exec centers.  Coworking technically falls under a
> niche
> >>> within biz centers and I've just proposed to ABCN to create a new,
> separate
> >>> group. We utilize their experience with alliances and therefore their
> >>> infrastructure.
> >>
> >>> Any thoughts or serious objections?
> >>
> >>> Jerome
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Mike Schinkel  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds like a "traditional" alliance or org that services all coworking
> >>> facilities.  Members pitch in a monthly/yearly amount to an org that
> returns
> >>> them benefits, etc.
> >>
> >>> So, do you think "traditional" is good or bad?
> >>
> >>> -Mike
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds like a "traditional" alliance or org that services all coworking
> >>> facilities.  Members pitch

[Coworking] Improving the Google Group

[Alex Hillman]

So, Woody just suggested that an active thread be moved out of the main
channel so as to not disrupt others. While I think it was a good topic to
keep in the group's visibility, his question of "can I move this to a sub
folder" reminded me of something.

Google Groups kinda sucks.

To be fair, it's become our home. This is the most active repository of
information for coworking, and the place where I send people first to learn
more and meet more coworking people. But the Google Group is anything but
good for discovery. Spam moderation is chaos for the people who actively
manage it. The lack of sub-threads is annoying, and the lack of message
context makes it hard to know what messages to pay attention to.

Recently, the open source javascript library jQuery moved away from Google
Groups for a lot of these same reasons...to Zoho forums.

I did some research and found that a Zoho forum to support our group would
cost $75/month, and incur a one-time $500 fee to migrate all of the existing
data (messages, threads, and even users) from Google Groups to Zoho. There's
even an option to interact with Zoho via e-mail for those of us that like
this.

The pros:

   - Much better organization of our knowledge. The ability to set message
   "topics" to things like "question", "introduction", "idea" would be HUGE for
   this group.
   - Easier on-boarding for new members
   - Better spam moderation tools

The cons:

   - It's not free
   - Since it's not free, somebody needs to pay for it, which means somebody
   is ultimately a "keyholder"

The cons aren't huge, but they do need to be addressed.

I think this could be a very valuable evolution of this discussion forum
that we all love so much. What say you, the coworking group?

-Alex

/ah
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Re: [Coworking] Improving the Google Group

[Alex Hillman]

Awesome tip. I'll contact him today. Thanks Mike.

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Mike Schinkel
wrote:

> On Feb 9, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> I did some research and found that a Zoho forum to support our group would
> cost $75/month, and incur a one-time $500 fee to migrate all of the existing
> data (messages, threads, and even users) from Google Groups to Zoho. There's
> even an option to interact with Zoho via e-mail for those of us that like
> this.
>
>
> They might even do it for free eliminating your cons.  Contact dhan [at]
> zohocorp [dot] com who is the Product Manager for Zoho Discussions.
>
>
> See close to the bottom: "Zoho Discussions for your Open Source Project":
>
>
> http://blogs.zoho.com/general/zoho-discussions-is-now-free-for-open-source-projects-jquery-deploys-discussions
>
>
> -Mike Schinkel
> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
> http://ignitionalley.com
>
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Re: [Coworking] Improving the Google Group

[Alex Hillman]

I have similar concerns, and hate every forum I'd used until I saw how Zoho
was implemented for jQuery.

http://forum.jquery.com/#AllForums

Imagine landing on this, but for coworking, instead of landing on the
coworking google group's landing page. I think this is worlds clearer than
how to participate in an e-mail list, but would love others' feedback too.

That biforcation is also a concern, but lets be honest, at the size we're
at, it happens already...we just don't see the effect because people split
off into their own side-converations. I think that guiding the fragmentation
of a list this big is MUCH better than letting it happen totally on its
own...and taking people/conversations along with it.

Great feedback, John. Much appreciated.

/ah
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:46 PM, John Sechrest  wrote:

> The difference between mailing lists and forums is much more complex and
> much more subtle that you are outlining here.
>
> I have seen several efforts to move to forums blow up discussions. In
> addition, I have also seen moves like this end up translating into a
> biforcation of the conversation into two different groups.
>
> The choice of how you view data is a critical one. And I totally agree
> about the need for a tool that helps you focus your attention well. For me,
> google groups + gmail does this well.
>
> In general, I have yet to meet a forum that I like. Web based forums hide
> information and make it harder for me to find things. I find this especially
> true of forum sites like NING. (pet peave)
>
> I do not know how zoho forums work, having never used them.
>
> For me, I am immediately suspicious when I see the word forum. Since forums
> usually take me more time to process, take more energy to keep in context.
>
> I suspect it is an information processing style issue, since these are the
> very issues you are trying to address.
>
> I would just urge caution. A shift like this from google groups to zoho
> forums is likely to quietly and subtly alter who is participating, and who
> stays connected to the group.
>
> I have watched other groups have a significant shift of membership with
> tool changes like this.
>
> Be sure you are getting what you think you are getting. And be sure you
> know which audience you are serving with the change.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Alex Hillman  > wrote:
>
>> So, Woody just suggested that an active thread be moved out of the main
>> channel so as to not disrupt others. While I think it was a good topic to
>> keep in the group's visibility, his question of "can I move this to a sub
>> folder" reminded me of something.
>>
>> Google Groups kinda sucks.
>>
>> To be fair, it's become our home. This is the most active repository of
>> information for coworking, and the place where I send people first to learn
>> more and meet more coworking people. But the Google Group is anything but
>> good for discovery. Spam moderation is chaos for the people who actively
>> manage it. The lack of sub-threads is annoying, and the lack of message
>> context makes it hard to know what messages to pay attention to.
>>
>> Recently, the open source javascript library jQuery moved away from Google
>> Groups for a lot of these same reasons...to Zoho forums.
>>
>> I did some research and found that a Zoho forum to support our group would
>> cost $75/month, and incur a one-time $500 fee to migrate all of the existing
>> data (messages, threads, and even users) from Google Groups to Zoho. There's
>> even an option to interact with Zoho via e-mail for those of us that like
>> this.
>>
>> The pros:
>>
>>- Much better organization of our knowledge. The ability to set
>>message "topics" to things like "question", "introduction", "idea" would 
>> be
>>HUGE for this group.
>>- Easier on-boarding for new members
>>- Better spam moderation tools
>>
>> The cons:
>>
>>- It's not free
>>- Since it's not free, somebody needs to pay for it, which means
>>somebody is ultimately a "keyholder"
>>
>> The cons aren't huge, but they do need to be addressed.
>>
>> I think this could be a very valuable evolution of this discussion forum
>> that we all love so much. What say you, the coworking group?
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>> /ah
>> indyhall.org
>> coworking in philadelphia
>>
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Re: [Coworking] Improving the Google Group

[Alex Hillman]

Ning is not on the table as an option, in my mind. We're not trying to
create another social network.

-Alex

/ah
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Mike Schinkel
wrote:

> Personally I tried NING for my own network a while back and could just
> never warm up to using it.
> JMTCW.
>
> -Mike Schinkel
> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
> http://ignitionalley.com
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Mike Pihlman wrote:
>
> > TVO member Phil has the Coworking Cube.  It may be possible that
> discussions can proceed there?
> >
> > Just a possible alternative...??? :-)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > http://mobileoffice.ning.com/?xg_source=badge
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/9/2010 7:52 AM, Alex Hillman wrote:
> >> So, Woody just suggested that an active thread be moved out of the main
> channel so as to not disrupt others. While I think it was a good topic to
> keep in the group's visibility, his question of "can I move this to a sub
> folder" reminded me of something.
> >>
> >> Google Groups kinda sucks.
> >>
> >> To be fair, it's become our home. This is the most active repository of
> information for coworking, and the place where I send people first to learn
> more and meet more coworking people. But the Google Group is anything but
> good for discovery. Spam moderation is chaos for the people who actively
> manage it. The lack of sub-threads is annoying, and the lack of message
> context makes it hard to know what messages to pay attention to.
> >>
> >> Recently, the open source javascript library jQuery moved away from
> Google Groups for a lot of these same reasons...to Zoho forums.
> >>
> >> I did some research and found that a Zoho forum to support our group
> would cost $75/month, and incur a one-time $500 fee to migrate all of the
> existing data (messages, threads, and even users) from Google Groups to
> Zoho. There's even an option to interact with Zoho via e-mail for those of
> us that like this.
> >>
> >> The pros:
> >>
> >>* Much better organization of our knowledge. The ability to set
> >>  message "topics" to things like "question", "introduction",
> >>  "idea" would be HUGE for this group.
> >>* Easier on-boarding for new members
> >>* Better spam moderation tools
> >>
> >> The cons:
> >>
> >>* It's not free
> >>* Since it's not free, somebody needs to pay for it, which means
> >>  somebody is ultimately a "keyholder"
> >>
> >> The cons aren't huge, but they do need to be addressed.
> >>
> >> I think this could be a very valuable evolution of this discussion forum
> that we all love so much. What say you, the coworking group?
> >>
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> /ah
> >> indyhall.org <http://indyhall.org>
> >> coworking in philadelphia
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Re: [Coworking] Improving the Google Group

[Alex Hillman]

I'm 100% with you, and will be doing some more research on Zoho's email
integration.

My hope is that for the people currently using the group and loving it, very
little will change. Zoho will just be a new engine that provides more
options for organization and interaction. The BIGGEST gain, in my mind, is a
better process for guiding new people through existing
information...something that even searching here is hard because with
search, you have to know exactly what you're looking for.

Threads, sub-forums, and context can guide new people to figure out what
they're looking for...even if they don't know what it is yet.

Again, great feedback from John, thanks man!

-Alex

/ah
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:11 PM, John Sechrest  wrote:

> You will want to ask that question just a bit more detailed. If you compare
> how Facebook provides email notifications and how NING uses mail
> notifications, you will find a really wide variance in usability.
>
> I live in my email system, doing most of my work by email. Drupal Forums,
> Facebook and NING all fail for me in the notification of updated threads.
> They drag me away from where my attention is focused and are divergent
> forces on my attention.
>
> With NING it is REALLY bad at managing your connection from email to the
> website and updating you about a thread and letting your attention to
> quickly flow to the task and back again.
>
> Again, I don't know Zoho forums, but I am not able to engage in these other
> 3 methods of linking forums to email in a meaningful way.
>
> I am however, able to read and track  and process the google groups flow
> (since I live in my email space)
>
> So the question I would interpret that you are wanting to ask is:
> Can I see an updated zoho thread in my email and know what happened with
> it, without going to the forum?
>
> (otherwise, what is the value of getting an email that says: "The thread
> was updated, follow this link"? )
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Mike Schinkel <
> mikeschin...@newclarity.net> wrote:
>
>> Hmm.  Will Zoho forums provide email notifications of new and updated
>> forum threads?
>>
>>  -Mike Schinkel
>> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
>> http://ignitionalley.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:46 PM, John Sechrest wrote:
>>
>> The difference between mailing lists and forums is much more complex and
>> much more subtle that you are outlining here.
>>
>> I have seen several efforts to move to forums blow up discussions. In
>> addition, I have also seen moves like this end up translating into a
>> biforcation of the conversation into two different groups.
>>
>> The choice of how you view data is a critical one. And I totally agree
>> about the need for a tool that helps you focus your attention well. For me,
>> google groups + gmail does this well.
>>
>> In general, I have yet to meet a forum that I like. Web based forums hide
>> information and make it harder for me to find things. I find this especially
>> true of forum sites like NING. (pet peave)
>>
>> I do not know how zoho forums work, having never used them.
>>
>> For me, I am immediately suspicious when I see the word forum. Since
>> forums usually take me more time to process, take more energy to keep in
>> context.
>>
>> I suspect it is an information processing style issue, since these are the
>> very issues you are trying to address.
>>
>> I would just urge caution. A shift like this from google groups to zoho
>> forums is likely to quietly and subtly alter who is participating, and who
>> stays connected to the group.
>>
>> I have watched other groups have a significant shift of membership with
>> tool changes like this.
>>
>> Be sure you are getting what you think you are getting. And be sure you
>> know which audience you are serving with the change.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Alex Hillman <
>> dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, Woody just suggested that an active thread be moved out of the main
>>> channel so as to not disrupt others. While I think it was a good topic to
>>> keep in the group's visibility, his question of "can I move this to a sub
>>> folder" reminded me of something.
>>>
>>> Google Groups kinda sucks.
>>>
>>> To be fair, it's become our home. This is the most active repository of
>>> information for coworking, and the place where I send people first to learn
>>> more and meet more coworking people. But the

Re: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Annual Meeting???

[Alex Hillman]

They can have any information they want, as far as I'm concerned. We've been
extremely open and forthcoming about models and concepts that have helped
our success.

In fact, I hope that more corporate office shares begin to adopt some of the
real concepts we all employ, and not just the words we use to describe them.
That would simply be a better world to work in, which is all I want to see
in my lifetime.

Concepts aren't what win, executions are.

This entire group exists because Brad, Chris, Tara, and others decided to
share everything they did with the earliest coworking spaces, and we're all
here benefiting from that.

Just keep that in mind.

/ah
indyhall.org
coworking in philadelphia


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Darryl F. Howard wrote:

>
> All I know is that the people that run these executive centers are very
> aware of coworking movement. I am pretty sure they are nervous and want to
> learn more. Some of them have real deep pockets. Maturing markets bring
> competition and shake out. Believe we should real cautious about any
> information we share. My 2 cents.
>
> Darryl F. Howard
> Space Logix
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:cowork...@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Eli Malinsky
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:42 AM
> To: Coworking
> Subject: [Coworking] Re: Coworking Annual Meeting???
>
> For what it's worth, I definitely don't think an association with ABCN
> is the right move...i think it confuses the picture and also situates
> the coworking movement within a very typical association model (and
> subordinates it to a larger industry). i think an annual conference is
> great and the idea of doing something unique, unconferencey, and
> distributed is directly in line with coworking values.
>
> Eli Malinsky
> Centre for Social Innovation
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 8, 1:00 pm, Alex Hillman  wrote:
> > it's not uncommon for our members to be business center refugees ("I
> tried
> > working at Regus...that sucked"), and we actively work to create language
> > and activities to help people understand the difference between executive
> > business centers and coworking. I know we are not alone in this mission.
> >
> > I can't see us aligning with the goals or values of an executive business
> > center organization, and so, I can't see us working with one. This feels
> > like potential for serious confusion for prospective coworking
> communities,
> > and a distraction for ones that are already in progress.
> >
> > Not to say it can't be done, but I'm cautious of how this takes place.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > /ah
> > indyhall.org
> > coworking in philadelphia
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, James Hackett 
> wrote:
> > > I have been collaborating with the head of ABCN already. That org is a
> > > global network of exec centers.  Coworking technically falls under a
> niche
> > > within biz centers and I've just proposed to ABCN to create a new,
> separate
> > > group. We utilize their experience with alliances and therefore their
> > > infrastructure.
> >
> > > Any thoughts or serious objections?
> >
> > > Collaborating with a group like ABCN seems like a great natural fit for
> > > co-working locations Jerome. I'd love to hear/talk more and get
> involved.
> >
> > > James
> > > Cruzio Internet
> >
> > > On Feb 7, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Jerome Chang wrote:
> >
> > > Oh. Traditional is fine. I just thought having much further discussion
> > > about a co-op would be reinventingte wheel. From what I've seen, we
> have
> two
> > > related proposals:
> > >1. National org/network/co-op
> > >2. National conference
> >
> > > Forming #1 would assign the people/resources toward creating #1 and at
> the
> > > same time, create add'l discussions/collaborations/benefits throughout
> the
> > > year regardless of the conference.
> >
> > > I have been collaborating with the head of ABCN already. That org is a
> > > global network of exec centers.  Coworking technically falls under a
> niche
> > > within biz centers and I've just proposed to ABCN to create a new,
> separate
> > > group. We utilize their experience with alliances and therefore their
> > > infrastructure.
> >
> > > Any thoughts or serious objections?
> >
> > > Jerome
> >
> > > On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Mike Schinkel  >
> > >

Re: [Coworking] Re: Improving the Google Group

[Alex Hillman]

TOTALLY agreed. Even if it's a small step in any direction, it's a step; I'd
want to migrate all existing content and users, and then put up a "we didn't
close, we moved!" sign on the door to the google group.

-Alex

/ah
indyhall.org
coworking in philadelphia


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:39 PM, gerard  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> I think it's great this discussion has been brought up.  Personally,
> whether Google Group or Zoho forum, they both have pros and cons and
> I'll manage either way.
>
> The only thing I wanted to say was that I believe there should only be
> a single destination at any given moment. That is, I would not try to
> maintain a Google Group and a forum.  It's just one more thing to keep
> up with.  If we were to migrate to something else, we ought to tell
> everyone to stop using the Google Group and start using the new thing,
> with a big bold flashing message in the Welcome section to tell new
> people where to go.  I recently experienced something like this with
> our local PHP user group. We tried to maintain both a forum and a
> mailing list, but in the end just confused everybody. We eventually
> deleted the forum.
>
> $0.02
>
> Gerard Sychay
> http://www.cincycoworks.com
>
> On Feb 9, 1:42 pm, Alex Hillman  wrote:
> > I'm 100% with you, and will be doing some more research on Zoho's email
> > integration.
> >
> > My hope is that for the people currently using the group and loving it,
> very
> > little will change. Zoho will just be a new engine that provides more
> > options for organization and interaction. The BIGGEST gain, in my mind,
> is a
> > better process for guiding new people through existing
> > information...something that even searching here is hard because with
> > search, you have to know exactly what you're looking for.
> >
> > Threads, sub-forums, and context can guide new people to figure out what
> > they're looking for...even if they don't know what it is yet.
> >
> > Again, great feedback from John, thanks man!
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > /ah
> > indyhall.org
> > coworking in philadelphia
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:11 PM, John Sechrest 
> wrote:
> > > You will want to ask that question just a bit more detailed. If you
> compare
> > > how Facebook provides email notifications and how NING uses mail
> > > notifications, you will find a really wide variance in usability.
> >
> > > I live in my email system, doing most of my work by email. Drupal
> Forums,
> > > Facebook and NING all fail for me in the notification of updated
> threads.
> > > They drag me away from where my attention is focused and are divergent
> > > forces on my attention.
> >
> > > With NING it is REALLY bad at managing your connection from email to
> the
> > > website and updating you about a thread and letting your attention to
> > > quickly flow to the task and back again.
> >
> > > Again, I don't know Zoho forums, but I am not able to engage in these
> other
> > > 3 methods of linking forums to email in a meaningful way.
> >
> > > I am however, able to read and track  and process the google groups
> flow
> > > (since I live in my email space)
> >
> > > So the question I would interpret that you are wanting to ask is:
> > > Can I see an updated zoho thread in my email and know what happened
> with
> > > it, without going to the forum?
> >
> > > (otherwise, what is the value of getting an email that says: "The
> thread
> > > was updated, follow this link"? )
> >
> > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Mike Schinkel <
> > > mikeschin...@newclarity.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> Hmm.  Will Zoho forums provide email notifications of new and updated
> > >> forum threads?
> >
> > >>  -Mike Schinkel
> > >> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
> > >>http://ignitionalley.com
> >
> > >> On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:46 PM, John Sechrest wrote:
> >
> > >> The difference between mailing lists and forums is much more complex
> and
> > >> much more subtle that you are outlining here.
> >
> > >> I have seen several efforts to move to forums blow up discussions. In
> > >> addition, I have also seen moves like this end up translating into a
> > >> biforcation of the conversation into two different groups.
> >
> > >> The choice of how you view data is a critical one. And I totally agree
> > >&

Re: [Coworking] Re: Improving the Google Group

[Alex Hillman]

I'm hearing this on and off list from a bunch of people, that they don't
want the e-mail interaction to go away. I'm 100% with you, and love the
feedback. Thanks everybody that's commented so far! Hoping we can get Zoho
to donate and remove the remaining "cons".

Stay tuned!

/ah
indyhall.org
coworking in philadelphia


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Steven Heath  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Alex Hillman
>  wrote:
> > TOTALLY agreed. Even if it's a small step in any direction, it's a step;
> I'd
> > want to migrate all existing content and users, and then put up a "we
> didn't
> > close, we moved!" sign on the door to the google group.
>
> I do not mind what application we use. However whatever we use I want
> to be able to use only email to interact. I find many web forums I
> spend ages looking around seeing what new areas are in it or items
> posted in wrong categories. Then I get the 'new posting in XYZ, click
> here to read it!' message.
>
> So as long as I can use an email client to experience 99%+ of the
> system (and not only a real time web interface) then i am fine with
> it.
>
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[Coworking] Community Acquisition of Coworking.com

[Alex Hillman]

A few days ago, the group received an e-mail from Gerrit at The Coworking
Intitute, the owners of coworking.com

http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/browse_thread/thread/5e4e84c5ef869ae

As he mentioned in the e-mail, he and his partner Bernie were recently
approached by a commercial entity with interest in buying coworking.com from
them. While the offer was "one they could not refuse", they agreed to turn
to our community first and give us a chance to counter-offer.

I've been corresponding with Gerrit on the side and have had a very positive
dialogue. We've agreed to a counter offer (which they have accepted) of 5000
Euros, or ~$6800 USD.

I've never spent this kind of money on a domain before, so I've spoken with
a group of some of the longest-standing contributors to the coworking
community to see if I was off my rocker. We've agreed that this is a great
opportunity to put a stronger stake in the ground for the brand of
coworking, the core values that this list upholds, and a better technique of
communicating with people who are just finding our community.

What do I think should be done with the domain?

*My plan is as follows:*

The wiki, blog, and google group will be aliased appropriately from
subdomains of the coworking.com domain. Coworking.com will contain a home
page explaining those properties and their contents, as well as some curated
press links that will be user submitted. Additional ideas are welcome, but
this is where I'd like to start!

In the last 24 hours, I've kicked off a pledge of $500 from my own pocket
(IndyHall still has some debt to pay back from our move last spring and we
consider that priority), and have been followed by the following pledges:

$500 - Alex Hillman/IndyHall
$500 - Tara Hunt/Citizen Space
$250 - Felicity Chapman/Cubes & Crayons
$250 - Steven Heath/AltSpace
$1000 - Susan Evans & Jacob Sayles/Office Nomads
$500 - Chris Messina
$500 - Patrick Tanguay/Station C

That means we've been pledged $3500, just about halfway to the $7k mark we
need (including paypal fees and impending wire fees). That's enough for me
to transfer 50% of the asking price to the sellers to begin the transfer to
us.

Now...what are these contributors getting for their hard earned money? I've
come up with a very simple structure to encourage consistent contribution
amounts:

• *Any contributor of $250* or more will have lifetime (of the domain)
access to a subdomain of their choice (http://yourchoice.coworking.com), so
long as the content of the subdomain falls within the values of the
Coworking Community Manifesto:

Community
Collaboration
Openness
Diversity
Sustainability
see Citizen Space <http://citizenspace.us/about/our-philosophy/> and
Station-C <http://station-c.com/en/community-manifesto> for citation of what
those values mean

• *Any contributor of $500* or more will get a subdomain of their choice as
well, and additionally up to 5 email addresses hosted at a Google for your
Domain account set up for coworking.com

• *Any contributor of $1000* will get a subdomain, 5 e-mail addresses, and a
"sponsor" link in the footer of the coworking.com home page linking to the
coworking community/space website of their choice.

No single contributor over $1000 will be accepted to give enough fair
chances to contributors across the community.

*There's no tricks, no scams, no funny business. *

Disclosure: I will be maintaining the domain name and its DNS records on
behalf of the community until, at some point in the future, there is an
entity that supports *this community* that can take over. I will also be
donating web hosting, again, until an entity that supports this community
takes over.

How do you become a contributor?

Go to this form:

https://indyhall.wufoo.com/forms/help-buy-coworkingcom/

Everything I've outlined in this e-mail is there as well.

I look forward to this rallying point for the group, and having a great
domain name to continue the growth of this community.

-Alex

/ah
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Re: [Coworking] Community Acquisition of Coworking.com

[Alex Hillman]

Awesome! Thanks Chad!

/ah
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On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:41 PM, TCS  wrote:

> Cool!
> I'll see what the wife says and get back to ya.  But I'm thinking $500
> Chad
>
> On 2010-02-15, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> A few days ago, the group received an e-mail from Gerrit at The Coworking
> Intitute, the owners of coworking.com
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/browse_thread/thread/5e4e84c5ef869ae
>
> As he mentioned in the e-mail, he and his partner Bernie were recently
> approached by a commercial entity with interest in buying coworking.comfrom 
> them. While the offer was "one they could not refuse", they agreed to
> turn to our community first and give us a chance to counter-offer.
>
> I've been corresponding with Gerrit on the side and have had a very
> positive dialogue. We've agreed to a counter offer (which they have
> accepted) of 5000 Euros, or ~$6800 USD.
>
> I've never spent this kind of money on a domain before, so I've spoken with
> a group of some of the longest-standing contributors to the coworking
> community to see if I was off my rocker. We've agreed that this is a great
> opportunity to put a stronger stake in the ground for the brand of
> coworking, the core values that this list upholds, and a better technique of
> communicating with people who are just finding our community.
>
> What do I think should be done with the domain?
>
> *My plan is as follows:*
>
> The wiki, blog, and google group will be aliased appropriately from
> subdomains of the coworking.com domain. Coworking.com will contain a home
> page explaining those properties and their contents, as well as some curated
> press links that will be user submitted. Additional ideas are welcome, but
> this is where I'd like to start!
>
> In the last 24 hours, I've kicked off a pledge of $500 from my own pocket
> (IndyHall still has some debt to pay back from our move last spring and we
> consider that priority), and have been followed by the following pledges:
>
> $500 - Alex Hillman/IndyHall
> $500 - Tara Hunt/Citizen Space
> $250 - Felicity Chapman/Cubes & Crayons
> $250 - Steven Heath/AltSpace
> $1000 - Susan Evans & Jacob Sayles/Office Nomads
> $500 - Chris Messina
> $500 - Patrick Tanguay/Station C
>
> That means we've been pledged $3500, just about halfway to the $7k mark we
> need (including paypal fees and impending wire fees). That's enough for me
> to transfer 50% of the asking price to the sellers to begin the transfer to
> us.
>
> Now...what are these contributors getting for their hard earned money? I've
> come up with a very simple structure to encourage consistent contribution
> amounts:
>
> • *Any contributor of $250* or more will have lifetime (of the domain)
> access to a subdomain of their choice (http://yourchoice.coworking.com),
> so long as the content of the subdomain falls within the values of the
> Coworking Community Manifesto:
>
> Community
> Collaboration
> Openness
> Diversity
> Sustainability
> see Citizen Space <http://citizenspace.us/about/our-philosophy/> and
> Station-C <http://station-c.com/en/community-manifesto> for citation of
> what those values mean
>
> • *Any contributor of $500* or more will get a subdomain of their choice
> as well, and additionally up to 5 email addresses hosted at a Google for
> your Domain account set up for coworking.com
>
> • *Any contributor of $1000* will get a subdomain, 5 e-mail addresses, and
> a "sponsor" link in the footer of the coworking.com home page linking to
> the coworking community/space website of their choice.
>
> No single contributor over $1000 will be accepted to give enough fair
> chances to contributors across the community.
>
> *There's no tricks, no scams, no funny business. *
>
> Disclosure: I will be maintaining the domain name and its DNS records on
> behalf of the community until, at some point in the future, there is an
> entity that supports *this community* that can take over. I will also be
> donating web hosting, again, until an entity that supports this community
> takes over.
>
> How do you become a contributor?
>
> Go to this form:
>
> https://indyhall.wufoo.com/forms/help-buy-coworkingcom/
>
> Everything I've outlined in this e-mail is there as well.
>
> I look forward to this rallying point for the group, and having a great
> domain name to continue the growth of this community.
>
> -Alex
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
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Re: [Coworking] Community Acquisition of Coworking.com

[Alex Hillman]

All,

If you're able to contribute on ANY way, please go to this form:

https://indyhall.wufoo.com/forms/help-buy-coworkingcom/

<https://indyhall.wufoo.com/forms/help-buy-coworkingcom/>Fill it out, and
"check out" using paypal to send the funds.

If for some reason Paypal's checkout doesn't work as intended, which seems
to be happening to some, you can send the money to us directly,
bill...@indyhall.org.

Thanks again for all of the incredible community support.

-Alex

/ah
indyhall.org
coworking in philadelphia


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Ashok Nare  wrote:

>
> I am a space catalyst, still in the planning stages of a coworking space.
> While I have not been able to dedicate as much time as I would have liked to
> for the coworking initiatives, my interest in coworking remains very high.
>
>  I am glad to see the effort to keep this domain name community focused.
> I am willing to contribute $250 from my own pocket to help the cause.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ashok Nare
>  CollabCubes Coworking (Work In Progress)
> http://collabcubes.com
>
> Email: as...@ashoknare.com
> Web:  http://www.ashoknare.com
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Matthew Wettergreen <
> mwettergr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is an incredible thing that Alex did by contacting the community
>> members to make sure the domain stays community focused. Thanks Alex.
>>
>> Caroline Collective and myself will contribute $500 for the domain.
>>
>> Matthew Wettergreen
>> Caroline Collective
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Alex Hillman <
>> dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A few days ago, the group received an e-mail from Gerrit at The Coworking
>>> Intitute, the owners of coworking.com
>>>
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/browse_thread/thread/5e4e84c5ef869ae
>>>
>>> As he mentioned in the e-mail, he and his partner Bernie were recently
>>> approached by a commercial entity with interest in buying coworking.comfrom 
>>> them. While the offer was "one they could not refuse", they agreed to
>>> turn to our community first and give us a chance to counter-offer.
>>>
>>> I've been corresponding with Gerrit on the side and have had a very
>>> positive dialogue. We've agreed to a counter offer (which they have
>>> accepted) of 5000 Euros, or ~$6800 USD.
>>>
>>> I've never spent this kind of money on a domain before, so I've spoken
>>> with a group of some of the longest-standing contributors to the coworking
>>> community to see if I was off my rocker. We've agreed that this is a great
>>> opportunity to put a stronger stake in the ground for the brand of
>>> coworking, the core values that this list upholds, and a better technique of
>>> communicating with people who are just finding our community.
>>>
>>> What do I think should be done with the domain?
>>>
>>> *My plan is as follows:*
>>>
>>> The wiki, blog, and google group will be aliased appropriately from
>>> subdomains of the coworking.com domain. Coworking.com will contain a
>>> home page explaining those properties and their contents, as well as some
>>> curated press links that will be user submitted. Additional ideas are
>>> welcome, but this is where I'd like to start!
>>>
>>> In the last 24 hours, I've kicked off a pledge of $500 from my own pocket
>>> (IndyHall still has some debt to pay back from our move last spring and we
>>> consider that priority), and have been followed by the following pledges:
>>>
>>>  $500 - Alex Hillman/IndyHall
>>> $500 - Tara Hunt/Citizen Space
>>> $250 - Felicity Chapman/Cubes & Crayons
>>> $250 - Steven Heath/AltSpace
>>> $1000 - Susan Evans & Jacob Sayles/Office Nomads
>>> $500 - Chris Messina
>>> $500 - Patrick Tanguay/Station C
>>>
>>> That means we've been pledged $3500, just about halfway to the $7k mark
>>> we need (including paypal fees and impending wire fees). That's enough for
>>> me to transfer 50% of the asking price to the sellers to begin the transfer
>>> to us.
>>>
>>> Now...what are these contributors getting for their hard earned money?
>>> I've come up with a very simple structure to encourage consistent
>>> contribution amounts:
>>>
>>>  • *Any contributor of $250* or more will have lifetime (of the domain)
>>> access to a subdomain of their choice (http:

Re: [Coworking] Community Acquisition of Coworking.com

[Alex Hillman]

I don't know what's up with the $250 amount on the form...if you're trying
to submit there, just send a paypal payment to bill...@indyhall.org or
contact me off list to be sent a payment request.

-Alex

/ah
indyhall.org
coworking in philadelphia


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM, j. p. sweeney <
james.swee...@workantileexchange.com> wrote:

> Workantile Exchange is in for at least $250, but I had the same problem as
> Tony in trying to submit...
>
>
> On 15 Feb 2010, at 14:56, TCS wrote:
>
> The Creative Space is in for $250
>  -might be able to do another $250 - we'll see - I tried the form and it
> kept telling my I didn't select an amount...
>
>
> On 2010-02-15, at 2:31 PM, Tony Bacigalupo wrote:
>
> The battle against those who care about nothing more than to pump dry any
> term or trend that could up their profits is going to be an endless one, but
> by securing this domain we give ourselves a much better chance of
> successfully defending our word from being co-opted and robbed of its
> meaning.
>
> This is an important step in the evolution of this movement and a unique
> opportunity for us to come together and make coworking even stronger and
> better positioned to help more people than ever before.
>
> NWC is in for $1k. Let's rock this.
>
> Tony
>
> -
> New Work City - Work with, not for.
> Web:   http://nwcny.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/nwc
> Email: t...@nwcny.com
> Phone: (888) 823-3494
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Alex Hillman <
> dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> If you're able to contribute on ANY way, please go to this form:
>>
>> https://indyhall.wufoo.com/forms/help-buy-coworkingcom/
>>
>> <https://indyhall.wufoo.com/forms/help-buy-coworkingcom/>Fill it out, and
>> "check out" using paypal to send the funds.
>>
>> If for some reason Paypal's checkout doesn't work as intended, which seems
>> to be happening to some, you can send the money to us directly,
>> bill...@indyhall.org.
>>
>> Thanks again for all of the incredible community support.
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>> /ah
>> indyhall.org
>> coworking in philadelphia
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Ashok Nare  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I am a space catalyst, still in the planning stages of a coworking
>>> space.  While I have not been able to dedicate as much time as I would have
>>> liked to for the coworking initiatives, my interest in coworking remains
>>> very high.
>>>
>>>  I am glad to see the effort to keep this domain name community
>>> focused.  I am willing to contribute $250 from my own pocket to help the
>>> cause.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ashok Nare
>>>  CollabCubes Coworking (Work In Progress)
>>> http://collabcubes.com
>>>
>>> Email: as...@ashoknare.com
>>> Web:  http://www.ashoknare.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Matthew Wettergreen <
>>> mwettergr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is an incredible thing that Alex did by contacting the community
>>>> members to make sure the domain stays community focused. Thanks Alex.
>>>>
>>>> Caroline Collective and myself will contribute $500 for the domain.
>>>>
>>>> Matthew Wettergreen
>>>> Caroline Collective
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Alex Hillman <
>>>> dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A few days ago, the group received an e-mail from Gerrit at The
>>>>> Coworking Intitute, the owners of coworking.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/browse_thread/thread/5e4e84c5ef869ae
>>>>>
>>>>> As he mentioned in the e-mail, he and his partner Bernie were recently
>>>>> approached by a commercial entity with interest in buying
>>>>> coworking.com from them. While the offer was "one they could not
>>>>> refuse", they agreed to turn to our community first and give us a chance 
>>>>> to
>>>>> counter-offer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been corresponding with Gerrit on the side and have had a very
>>>>> positive dialogue. We've agreed to a counter

Re: [Coworking] Community Acquisition of Coworking.com

[Alex Hillman]

Awesome, Raines. Thanks for your support!

I said this to Mike Schinkel, offline:

This isn't buying a membership to an association. This is contributing to a
> specific cause, and being a sponsor.

I think that we're on the path to form something more organic and accurately
> representative of what this community needs instead of bucketing it into a
> co-op or any other organization just because we know what that looks like.
>

 I think we're getting more organized, and there's no doubt about that...and
> I'm happy to lead the charge and have the community's support :)


Hang tight, everybody. Talleying everything up now, in terms of pledges and
actual payments. A few people have requested paypal invoices, they'll be
coming shortly.

-Alex

/ah
indyhall.org
coworking in philadelphia


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Raines Cohen  wrote:

> I'm in. *Coworking Coaches* is now a $1K sponsor (*does that put us over
> the top? Don't stop the pledging*), and I'm looking forward to a
> collaborative process of building a sustainable, resilient virtual home base
> for the coworking movement.
>
> I consider my investment here a downpayment on building the community
> infrastructure and helping coworking stand on its own two feet as a peer
> with cohousing, worker/business cooperatives, incubators, and similar
> ventures -- to be celebrated, understood, and appreciated for its uniqueness
> but also for what it can share, in history, education, tools, and
> philosophy.
>
> Perhaps we can structure what we do as we build collective capacity and set
> up an organization so that after the domain is covered, others can step up
> in other ways to match the initial effort, for the work that follows.
>
> Raines Cohen, Coworking Coach 
> *Planning for Sustainable Communities* (Berkeley, CA)
> Founding Member, Hub Bay Area  coworking for
> social entrepreneurs
>  
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Re: [Coworking] Community Acquisition of Coworking.com

[Alex Hillman]

WOW. In under 24 hours, we've raised pledges for over $9000. Over $6000 of
that has been paid via paypal.

*That said, I'm putting new sponsorships ON HOLD.* I think that we will be
able to come up with new, shared value propositions to allow more spaces to
find themselves sponsor links on the coworking.com homepage. If you feel
like you missed out, PLEASE DON'T.

This is NOT the end. It's only the beginning! I promise I won't be running
off with your money :)

If you've pledged, or attempted to fill out the form and did not pay via
paypal at the end, I'll be sending you a paypal money request. I'd like to
ask that pledges are paid by end of business day tomorrow.

Once again, this has been incredible, and went much much much faster than I
thought it would. I'm so proud of this community, and look forward to
sharing the value of our new domain together!

/ah
indyhall.org
coworking in philadelphia


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Alex Hillman
wrote:

> Awesome, Raines. Thanks for your support!
>
> I said this to Mike Schinkel, offline:
>
> This isn't buying a membership to an association. This is contributing to a
>> specific cause, and being a sponsor.
>
> I think that we're on the path to form something more organic and
>> accurately representative of what this community needs instead of bucketing
>> it into a co-op or any other organization just because we know what that
>> looks like.
>
>  I think we're getting more organized, and there's no doubt about
>> that...and I'm happy to lead the charge and have the community's support :)
>
>
> Hang tight, everybody. Talleying everything up now, in terms of pledges and
> actual payments. A few people have requested paypal invoices, they'll be
> coming shortly.
>
> -Alex
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Raines Cohen  wrote:
>
>> I'm in. *Coworking Coaches* is now a $1K sponsor (*does that put us over
>> the top? Don't stop the pledging*), and I'm looking forward to a
>> collaborative process of building a sustainable, resilient virtual home base
>> for the coworking movement.
>>
>> I consider my investment here a downpayment on building the community
>> infrastructure and helping coworking stand on its own two feet as a peer
>> with cohousing, worker/business cooperatives, incubators, and similar
>> ventures -- to be celebrated, understood, and appreciated for its uniqueness
>> but also for what it can share, in history, education, tools, and
>> philosophy.
>>
>> Perhaps we can structure what we do as we build collective capacity and
>> set up an organization so that after the domain is covered, others can step
>> up in other ways to match the initial effort, for the work that follows.
>>
>> Raines Cohen, Coworking Coach <http://www.CoworkingCoach.com/>
>> *Planning for Sustainable Communities* (Berkeley, CA)
>> Founding Member, Hub Bay Area <http://BayArea.the-hub.net/> coworking for
>> social entrepreneurs
>>  <http://BayArea.the-hub.net/>
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Re: [Coworking] Community Acquisition of Coworking.com

[Alex Hillman]

Exactly! Thanks Mike!

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On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Mike Schinkel
wrote:

> On Feb 15, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> I said this to Mike Schinkel, offline:
>
> This isn't buying a membership to an association. This is contributing to a
>> specific cause, and being a sponsor.
>
> I think that we're on the path to form something more organic and
>> accurately representative of what this community needs instead of bucketing
>> it into a co-op or any other organization just because we know what that
>> looks like.
>
> I think we're getting more organized, and there's no doubt about that...and
>> I'm happy to lead the charge and have the community's support :)
>
>
> Just to include the full conversation I basically emailed Alex and said it
> sounded like he was heading in the direction of the Coworking co-op I
> suggested previously and that I felt he was the best one to lead the charge.
>  He responded with the above to which I replied "Cool."
>
>
>  -Mike Schinkel
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Re: [Coworking] Community Acquisition of Coworking.com

[Alex Hillman]

Rosie,

Don't feel bad. This blitz went MUCH faster than anyone expected, especially
me.

I look forward to have you on board for the next time we need to raise some
money for a community resource!

-Alex

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On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Rosie Sherry wrote:

> Looks like I've missed out :(  I should check in here more often.
>
> On the positive note it is super-fantastically-awesome that the money has
> been raised.
>
> I'd happily contribute a personal contribution in the future, there is so
> much value in the group, movement and wiki.
>
>
> On 15 February 2010 22:52, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
>> WOW. In under 24 hours, we've raised pledges for over $9000. Over $6000 of
>> that has been paid via paypal.
>>
>> *That said, I'm putting new sponsorships ON HOLD.* I think that we will
>> be able to come up with new, shared value propositions to allow more spaces
>> to find themselves sponsor links on the coworking.com homepage. If you
>> feel like you missed out, PLEASE DON'T.
>>
>> This is NOT the end. It's only the beginning! I promise I won't be running
>> off with your money :)
>>
>> If you've pledged, or attempted to fill out the form and did not pay via
>> paypal at the end, I'll be sending you a paypal money request. I'd like to
>> ask that pledges are paid by end of business day tomorrow.
>>
>> Once again, this has been incredible, and went much much much faster than
>> I thought it would. I'm so proud of this community, and look forward to
>> sharing the value of our new domain together!
>>
>>
>> /ah
>> indyhall.org
>> coworking in philadelphia
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Alex Hillman <
>> dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome, Raines. Thanks for your support!
>>>
>>> I said this to Mike Schinkel, offline:
>>>
>>> This isn't buying a membership to an association. This is contributing to
>>>> a specific cause, and being a sponsor.
>>>
>>> I think that we're on the path to form something more organic and
>>>> accurately representative of what this community needs instead of bucketing
>>>> it into a co-op or any other organization just because we know what that
>>>> looks like.
>>>
>>>  I think we're getting more organized, and there's no doubt about
>>>> that...and I'm happy to lead the charge and have the community's support :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Hang tight, everybody. Talleying everything up now, in terms of pledges
>>> and actual payments. A few people have requested paypal invoices, they'll be
>>> coming shortly.
>>>
>>> -Alex
>>>
>>> /ah
>>> indyhall.org
>>> coworking in philadelphia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Raines Cohen  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm in. *Coworking Coaches* is now a $1K sponsor (*does that put us
>>>> over the top? Don't stop the pledging*), and I'm looking forward to a
>>>> collaborative process of building a sustainable, resilient virtual home 
>>>> base
>>>> for the coworking movement.
>>>>
>>>> I consider my investment here a downpayment on building the community
>>>> infrastructure and helping coworking stand on its own two feet as a peer
>>>> with cohousing, worker/business cooperatives, incubators, and similar
>>>> ventures -- to be celebrated, understood, and appreciated for its 
>>>> uniqueness
>>>> but also for what it can share, in history, education, tools, and
>>>> philosophy.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps we can structure what we do as we build collective capacity and
>>>> set up an organization so that after the domain is covered, others can step
>>>> up in other ways to match the initial effort, for the work that follows.
>>>>
>>>> Raines Cohen, Coworking Coach <http://www.CoworkingCoach.com/>
>>>> *Planning for Sustainable Communities* (Berkeley, CA)
>>>> Founding Member, Hub Bay Area <http://BayArea.the-hub.net/> coworking
>>>> for social entrepreneurs
>>>>  <http://BayArea.the-hub.net/>
>>>>
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[Coworking] Re: Community Acquisition of Coworking.com

[Alex Hillman]

I'll say again:

This initial purchase was NOT about including or excluding anyone. A
goal was establihed that needed to be met, and mobilized.

This does NOT represent a specific association or lack thereof. Not
being able to support, due to financial/regional or any other reason,
does not mean you're "out of the club".

Raised funds above and beyond the needed amount can be figured out
once the domain is secured. It's not my money to spend on anything
else, and so it won't be spent without the contributors' consent, and
furthermore, won't be spent on anything that doesn't benefit 100% of
the community.

This isn't "done" by any means, and once the domain has been secured,
I'm happy discuss re-organizing the funds for a better, more long term
and sustainable model that allows everyone to get a piece of the
action!

-Alex

On Monday, February 15, 2010, WHERE MMM  wrote:
> Alex et al,
>
> This is a great idea and glad to see how everyone is jumping in to come 
> together.
>
> While I was trying to decide and raise funds for the 500 and 1k buy in I now 
> have a question and an idea to propose to the group:
>
> 1. With the funds in excess now for the actual amount that we we looking for 
> to secure the domain can we look to restructure the amounts so that everyone 
> can have an opportunity to participate?
>
> 1a. Otherwise what will be done with the extra money raised & who will manage 
> it?
>
> 1b. The dreaded topic of last week's thread on an annual Coworking Conference 
> comes to mind. can some of these funds that we are raising help to bring 
> us together (even if virtual and or telephonically) or elect someone to 
> manage the group and pay someone so that the group can have a 
> single administrative 'go-to' person?
>
>
> 2. How does the group feel about a regional effort instead of these tiers?
>
> 2a. In the true sense of a collective coworking environment we are supposed 
> to be 'equal' and not divided by social or soci-economical levels. With a 
> regional approach rather than this (very good and very effective fund raising 
> strategy) then everyone would be able to buy in at a lower rate and be 
> included. Additionally the regional approach would allow for those of us who 
> can afford to contribute more could 'host' a regional conference/ meet-up so 
> that we can manage the creation of the domain into a functioning site.
>
>
> 3. Last thought that has plagued me all day.what about the coworking 
> sites that are associated through government entities, those that are funded 
> as not-for-profits, etc
>
> These groups often times can not participate and move as quickly on things 
> like this.
>
> Are 'we' alienating 'them' in this fast move?
>
>   *These groups do not have the luxury of pulling money out of their 
> own pockets even if they want to because of the structure they operate under.
>
>   *Even if these organizations want to participate often times the 
> group will need board authorization and this can take time.
>
>
> Last point I have been pondering who is this group that wanted to come in 
> and make this buy? Why did they want it and why now? What was the urgency?
>
> I hope that this doesn't seem like I am not supporting this because I am ALL 
> FOR A COLLECTIVE and have been really doing a lot of footwork and site visits 
> to speak with everyone out there as much as possible. Coming from a 
> non-profit viewpoint and effort of community building I am really interested 
> in contributing to the effort in any way possible. I would love to see a 
> collective formed with some resources behind it and some real muscle. I see 
> this as a great first step and am encouraged but I also am a big believer 
> that we all should really be heard, have access, and be able to participate. 
> We have all worked to hard in our own communities as well as a whole entity 
> to not take a moment to think about our actions here and the impact we are 
> setting forth at this very moment.
>
>
> With the upmost respect and compassion I submitt these thoughts for 
> discussion.
>
> Thank you all,
>
> Danielle Nicoli
> WHERE: Meet, Mix, Mogul
> Coworking in Los Angeles
> www.wheremmm.com <http://www.wheremmm.com/>
> 323 663 6636 office
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Alex Hillman  
> wrote:
> A few days ago, the group received an e-mail from Gerrit at The Coworking 
> Intitute, the owners of coworking.com <http://coworking.com/>
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/browse_thread/thread/5e4e84c5ef869ae
>
>
> As he mentioned in the e-mail, he and his partne

Re: [Coworking] Re: Community Acquisition of Coworking.com

[Alex Hillman]

Jason,

As I mention in the thread, we've over-raised at this point and aren't
taking more contributions towards the domain purchase. We've had some
suggestions about how to redistribute the funding and allow more people to
benefit from the domain than the "fast and the funded", but we won't need to
address that until the domain is transferred and up, which is going to be a
bit :)

-Alex

/ah
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:44 AM, jasontgoodr...@gmail.com <
jasontgoodr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm in for $500.
>
> On Feb 15, 11:26 am, Alex Hillman 
> wrote:
> > A few days ago, the group received an e-mail from Gerrit at The Coworking
> > Intitute, the owners of coworking.com
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/coworking/browse_thread/thread/5e4e84c...
> >
> > As he mentioned in the e-mail, he and his partner Bernie were recently
> > approached by a commercial entity with interest in buying coworking.comfrom
> > them. While the offer was "one they could not refuse", they agreed to
> turn
> > to our community first and give us a chance to counter-offer.
> >
> > I've been corresponding with Gerrit on the side and have had a very
> positive
> > dialogue. We've agreed to a counter offer (which they have accepted) of
> 5000
> > Euros, or ~$6800 USD.
> >
> > I've never spent this kind of money on a domain before, so I've spoken
> with
> > a group of some of the longest-standing contributors to the coworking
> > community to see if I was off my rocker. We've agreed that this is a
> great
> > opportunity to put a stronger stake in the ground for the brand of
> > coworking, the core values that this list upholds, and a better technique
> of
> > communicating with people who are just finding our community.
> >
> > What do I think should be done with the domain?
> >
> > *My plan is as follows:*
> >
> > The wiki, blog, and google group will be aliased appropriately from
> > subdomains of the coworking.com domain. Coworking.com will contain a
> home
> > page explaining those properties and their contents, as well as some
> curated
> > press links that will be user submitted. Additional ideas are welcome,
> but
> > this is where I'd like to start!
> >
> > In the last 24 hours, I've kicked off a pledge of $500 from my own pocket
> > (IndyHall still has some debt to pay back from our move last spring and
> we
> > consider that priority), and have been followed by the following pledges:
> >
> > $500 - Alex Hillman/IndyHall
> > $500 - Tara Hunt/Citizen Space
> > $250 - Felicity Chapman/Cubes & Crayons
> > $250 - Steven Heath/AltSpace
> > $1000 - Susan Evans & Jacob Sayles/Office Nomads
> > $500 - Chris Messina
> > $500 - Patrick Tanguay/Station C
> >
> > That means we've been pledged $3500, just about halfway to the $7k mark
> we
> > need (including paypal fees and impending wire fees). That's enough for
> me
> > to transfer 50% of the asking price to the sellers to begin the transfer
> to
> > us.
> >
> > Now...what are these contributors getting for their hard earned money?
> I've
> > come up with a very simple structure to encourage consistent contribution
> > amounts:
> >
> > • *Any contributor of $250* or more will have lifetime (of the domain)
> > access to a subdomain of their choice (http://yourchoice.coworking.com),
> so
> > long as the content of the subdomain falls within the values of the
> > Coworking Community Manifesto:
> >
> > Community
> > Collaboration
> > Openness
> > Diversity
> > Sustainability
> > see Citizen Space <http://citizenspace.us/about/our-philosophy/> and
> > Station-C <http://station-c.com/en/community-manifesto> for citation of
> what
> > those values mean
> >
> > • *Any contributor of $500* or more will get a subdomain of their choice
> as
> > well, and additionally up to 5 email addresses hosted at a Google for
> your
> > Domain account set up for coworking.com
> >
> > • *Any contributor of $1000* will get a subdomain, 5 e-mail addresses,
> and a
> > "sponsor" link in the footer of the coworking.com home page linking to
> the
> > coworking community/space website of their choice.
> >
> > No single contributor over $1000 will be accepted to give enough fair
> > chances to contributors across the community.
> >
> > *There's no tricks, no scams, no funny business. *
> >
&

Re: [Coworking] Clarification

[Alex Hillman]

I haven't been ignoring this thread, or the other related to the
coworking.com purchase, I've just been in a conference all day :)

I'm going to need some time to catch up. Thanks y'all.

/ah
indyhall.org
coworking in philadelphia


On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Steven Heath  wrote:

> > I don't know what the answer is, but I'm pretty sure the answer is not
> "do
> > nothing."  I also think we are all smart and capable people able to come
> up
> > with an answer that works well if we put our heads together on the
> matter.
> >  Lead us.
> >
>
> I was one of the ones saying we needed 'something' to hold this name.
> However, it very quickly became apparent that we did did not agree on
> what that 'something' was.
>
> I very strongly said I would rather have Alex hold the name in trust
> for ever rather than having a USA LLC or non profit company created.
> Some of the reasons are legal (USA law is an arse when it comes to non
> citizens as shareholders) and some of it is watching creatures like
> ICANN (use USA law against its own directors) and the other is we are
> not sure what direction is going to occur.
>
> We can wait. All those that have paid up trust Alex to do the right thing.
>
> Lets do the deal, bed in an initial website and then decide from that
> point what to do.
>
> --
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> Director, Foxbane Consulting
> Founder, AltSpace
> Cell: +64 21 706-067
> www.foxbane.co.nz
> Level 22
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> 2 Gilmer Terrace
> Wellington
>
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Re: [Coworking] Clarification

[Alex Hillman]

;
>.


Awesome, healthy discussion here. I love hanging around so many smart
people!!

-Alex


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On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:35 PM, scott anderson <
sc...@statewidepropertyinspections.com> wrote:

>  As we are putting together our coworking space here in St Cloud, MN, I
> sit back and read all the threads by you ‘coworking gurus’ and get so
> impressed by how this movement is just taking off. I thought I was getting
> into something that was just a simple concept of getting like minded
> individuals (those who don’t like to work alone, but work there own business
> in the company of others), but now is turning into this huge steam roller of
> ideas. It really is cool to see the collaboration take place. I still find
> the hardest part of this, is drumming up other “like minded individuals” in
> our community who want to jump on board with the enthusiasm of a coworker.
>
> I know it all takes time & patients. Keep up the awesome work,
>
>
>
> Scott Anderson
>
> Statewide Property Inspections
>
> 320-761-2100
>
> *Web* www.statewidepropertyinspections.com
>
> *Blog* http://statewide-homeinspections.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:cowork...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Alex Hillman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:07 PM
> *To:* coworking@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Coworking] Clarification
>
>
>
> I haven't been ignoring this thread, or the other related to the
> coworking.com purchase, I've just been in a conference all day :)
>
>
>
> I'm going to need some time to catch up. Thanks y'all.
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
>
>  On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Steven Heath  wrote:
>
> > I don't know what the answer is, but I'm pretty sure the answer is not
> "do
> > nothing."  I also think we are all smart and capable people able to come
> up
> > with an answer that works well if we put our heads together on the
> matter.
> >  Lead us.
> >
>
> I was one of the ones saying we needed 'something' to hold this name.
> However, it very quickly became apparent that we did did not agree on
> what that 'something' was.
>
> I very strongly said I would rather have Alex hold the name in trust
> for ever rather than having a USA LLC or non profit company created.
> Some of the reasons are legal (USA law is an arse when it comes to non
> citizens as shareholders) and some of it is watching creatures like
> ICANN (use USA law against its own directors) and the other is we are
> not sure what direction is going to occur.
>
> We can wait. All those that have paid up trust Alex to do the right thing.
>
> Lets do the deal, bed in an initial website and then decide from that
> point what to do.
>
> --
> Steven Heath
> Director, Foxbane Consulting
> Founder, AltSpace
> Cell: +64 21 706-067
> www.foxbane.co.nz
> Level 22
> Plimmer Towers
> 2 Gilmer Terrace
> Wellington
>
> AltSpace.co.nz - Shared office space in Wellington for home based
> workers, freelancers, or nimble companies
>
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Re: [Coworking] Clarification

[Alex Hillman]

I for "Open Source."  However those of you
> how know the open source community will almost certainly agree that there
> are few others communities that are more like herding cats than the open
> source community. If they could agree on "Open Source" then us agreeing on
> the definition of "Coworking" should be comparatively easy.
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Susan Evans wrote:
>
> 1. There has never been better timing for these conversations (I say
> "conversations" specifically because there are multiple - I would also
> agree that the purchase of a domain and the creation of a large
> international organization are very, very different conversations)
> than to happen right now, just weeks before SXSWi when so many of us
> will gather and can have some of these conversations face to face.
>
>
> Very sad that I can't be there. :-(
>
>
> 2. The idea of creating THE coworking organization or THE coworking
> annual event brings with it more challenges than I think might be
> worth it.
>
>
> Minimally, since there is only one domain I believe that implies there
> needs to be one org that defines "coworking?"
>
>
> Instead, I think that we should focus on smaller, more
> locally-focused efforts in terms of being more formally organized, and
> keep coworking in the broader sense in the state it appears to be most
> successful in - as a collection of ideals we all subscribe to and
> organize around.  As Tony so eloquently reminded us, the beauty of
> coworking lies in our inability to create walls around it.  And as
> Jacob always loves to remind me, there is no quicker way to blow up
> the google group than to have someone ask the question "What is
> coworking?" We have about 1,000 definitions for what it is, and in
> that diversity lies our biggest strength.  Coworking is not a concept
> to be hijacked and utilized for evil corporate profit - because it's
> not a "thing" that can be spun that way.
>
>
> Again, not defining it means you will allow others to define it for us.
>
>
>
> I believe it *can* be defined if we are open to the discussion. And that
> definition can incorporate it's varied nature just as the OSI definition
> does for open source.  But if you don't define it others will.
>
>
> And as such, I believe that we might just do ourselves more harm by
>
> trying to create some huge international body
>
>
> Nothing needs be huge...
>
>
> where there might just not be need for one.  I see
> the possibilities for coworking organizations and gathering bodies to
> be much more possible on the local level - in your city, your county,
> or even your country.  We have already begun to meet as "Coworking
> Seattle" here in Washington, and are seeing plenty of interest from
> individuals who want to work on defining what coworking is here in
> Seattle.  I'd recommend that those who are interested in creating
> larger organizing bodies work first locally.
>
>
> In any locality there are fewer minds with relevant experience and there is
> unfortunately the human nature of local competitive urges.  It's easier to
> work on a global definition on this list with people we already "know" and
> with whom we've proven we are already happy to collaborate with.
>
>
> Our work will most likely create the most amount of meaning on a
>
> smaller scale first.
>
>
> Lots of local collaboration in vacuums will result in lots of different
> entrenched opinions that will take much time and effort to reconcile if it
> can even ever be accomplished.  Why go through that pain?
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> I am assuming the responsibility for the domain coworking.com in trust of
> this community. Should a new entity emerge that makes sense based on
> everything that's been said so far, and that entity would like to assume the
> responsibility from me, I'm 100% ok transferring the domain. until then,
> we'll keep the coworking.com related properties as focused and lightweight
> as possible.
>
>
> Unless you create a legal trust then that puts it at risk when you are in
> legal or health jeopardy.  If you get sued or godforbid die, then it will be
> in limbo. That's not good for the rest of us.
>
>
>- To Mike (and subsequently Tony)'s points about Open Source: the most
>common open source projects are the ones that are code prototypes being put
>out into the wild with no leadership behind them, no stated goals, and no
>community of contributors; only a community of users. The *healthiest* open
>source projects adhere

Re: [Coworking] Clarification

[Alex Hillman]

Oh, and as far as "in trust" relating to a legal entity of "a trust", I
wasn't. I was referring to trust, the noun, "Firm reliance on the integrity,
ability, or character of a person or thing". Stupid english language and
multiple meanings for a word!

/ah
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Alex Hillman
wrote:

> We're now talking about THREE separate but related issues:
>
>1. How to pay for/who owns the domain, long term
>2. What kind of entity could exist
>3. The definition of coworking
>
> Just for those keeping track :)
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Mike Schinkel <
> mikeschin...@newclarity.net> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Steven Heath wrote:
>>
>> I don't know what the answer is, but I'm pretty sure the answer is not "do
>>
>> nothing."  I also think we are all smart and capable people able to come
>> up
>>
>> with an answer that works well if we put our heads together on the matter.
>>
>>
>> I was one of the ones saying we needed 'something' to hold this name.
>> However, it very quickly became apparent that we did did not agree on
>> what that 'something' was.
>>
>>
>> Just to be clear, I wasn't disagreeing with any "something" other than not
>> doing anything.  I was calling for discussing aimed at a resolution.
>>
>>
>> I very strongly said I would rather have Alex hold the name in trust
>> for ever rather than having a USA LLC or non profit company created.
>>
>>
>> A trust would be something. But that is a legal entity, also covered by
>> some countries laws, and a trust requires details to be addressed that have
>> not yet been address. And until your email a trust hasn't been explicitly
>> proposed (at least I don't think one has.)
>>
>>
>> All I'm asking is that we stop debating what *not* to do and start
>> discussing what *to* do.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Tony Bacigalupo wrote:
>>
>> Good points all around; there's much to be gleaned from the open source
>> movement and what happened to it.
>>
>> I wasn't aware of the Open Source Initiative. Do you know more about how
>> they have helped the world of open source? The phrase still gets co-opted
>> and misused left and right, but I suppose to some extent that can't be
>> helped.
>>
>>
>> Great questions.  I subconsciously assume people who are on mailing lists
>> know about the OSI but that's clearly a myopic view of mine. Sorry. :)
>>
>>
>> The term "Open Source" is a definition for a type of software license.  So
>> it's a legal term more than it is a statement about free availability of
>> source code.  Public domain source code is "open" and freely available, but
>> it's not "Open Source."
>>
>> Similar to the notion of "open source," I hold that "coworking" is a
>> concept that represents a set of needs and values that nobody can control or
>> own. It simply is what it is. The best we can do is represent that concept
>> the best we can, so that others may more easily and effectively
>> participate.
>>
>>
>> Actually, people collectively came together to define open source, hence
>> the Open Source initiative.  Without us agreeing on a definition then it
>> will come to be defined by anyone and everyone who want to pervert it for
>> their own ends much like deciding not to decide is a decision too.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, here is the definition of Open Source:
>>
>>
>>  http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd
>>
>>
>> And here are trademark and logo usage guidelines for Open Source:
>>
>>
>>  http://www.opensource.org/trademark
>>
>>
>> Here is a list of open source licenses by category:
>>
>>
>>  http://www.opensource.org/licenses/category
>>
>>
>> Here's the license review process:
>>
>>
>>  http://www.opensource.org/approval
>>
>>
>> So regardless of what constructs we create, the concept will always exist
>> outside of them. If somebody forms some sort of organization, it should be
>> formed with that fact in mind.
>>
>>
>> I think I disagree with that.  IMO Coworking is defined implicitly by what
>> all the people on the list and the wiki make it to mean. If we collectively
>> now def

Re: [Coworking] Introduction

[Alex Hillman]

Everyone,

I met Joy on Monday while at New Work City and her and her partner at
Paragraph have some awesome stories and insights to share. Welcome, Joy!

-Alex

/ah
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Joy Parisi  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to say hello to the group. I'm one of the owners of
> Paragraph, a workspace for writers in downtown Manhattan. We've been
> around close to five years now. Paragraph is a coworking space, but a
> little different because members are all writers and the majority of
> the workspace is kept completely quiet to facilitate the writing
> process. There's also a kitchen/lounge area where people hang out and
> socialize, and events every month, so there is a definite community
> and lots of connection happening despite (or because of?) the isolated
> nature of writing.
>
> Anyway, I'm excited that this board exists and am looking forward to
> participating.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joy
>
> http://www.paragraphny.com
> 35 West 14th Street, 3rd Fl, NY, NY 10011
> 646.216.8407 | 646.526.8794
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[Coworking] coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

Over the last several hours, I've finalized the transactions with Bernie and
Gerrit, transferred the domain, configured the DNS, and set up a simple
static homepage to display the community core values and point them to the
three communal resources that we have, just like intended by the proposal
sent out earlier this week.

The new coworking.com points to the google group, the wiki, and the blog. It
defines some explicit activities that people can do at each of those places
to get involved.

http://coworking.com

It does not attempt to define coworking any more than is already defined on
the landing page of the google group. It does not express any commercial or
even organizational intent. It just says "we're here, and we're not going
anywhere". I think this stake in the ground is extremely representative and
lets us go ANY direction we want.

The design is the product of...well...an hour of my time put in to
copywriting and CSS. I'd be just as happy to throw it away if something else
came along and the group suggests that, so long as the general concept stays
clear.

I'd also be willing to take design/copy tips/tweaks to heart. You can't hurt
my feelings too bad, I'm not a designer and I know it :)

There are still a number of other matters to sort out that have come up
since we started down this fun journey this week, and they can be dealt with
one at a time.

I'll be following up with all of the contributors, as well as the list, to
discuss the next steps in managing the remaining funds.

*I'd really like the next discussion on this list* to help find a more
sustainable mechanism for allowing people to contribute to the website fund
without raising money that we simply don't need. Right now the fund raise is
spread out over ~20 people. That de-risked the initial purchase, and let
this happen at all. In the next phase, I think the objective should be to
spread the fund wider and, as Chris Messina said, put the focus on
individual supporters instead of business supporters, giving everyone more
equal access to the resources that come with having the domain.

Let's brainstorm!

I also want to publicly thank Bernie and Gerrit for being so awesome during
the transaction. They asked me to share this retrospective they posted last
night on the last 10 years with the domain.
http://www.smartmobs.com/2010/02/17/coworking-past-and-future/

-Alex

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Re: [Coworking] coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

Without having even having a clear vision of what the website can/should do,
I have a hard time picking ANY platform. We've also had offers from
Apostrophe (http://apostrophenow.com) to host and manage the content.

Either which way, your offer is generous, but picking platforms now would be
premature given there isn't a clear path for the functionality of the site,
if any, beyond the landing page pointing to the pre-existing properties.

Let's keep ideas high level for now, and define *benefits* instead of *
features*!

-Alex

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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:55 PM, TCS  wrote:

> We're a Drupal studio.  If planned well the site can be both aesthetically
> pleasing and self sustained.  (Drupal is the # 1 opensourse CMS)  We're
> willing to help develop the site if y'all wanna do the leg work on
> Information Architecture, finalize a content outline and navigation
> schematic, name the taxonomy terms and design.  ;o)  We can do design as
> well, but thought that could be another studio if they want to help. Don't
> know if there's funds available to offer to help build, but we're willing to
> do whatever for the cause of coworking!
>
> Chad
>
> The Creative Space - Canada
> www.thecreativespace.ca
> 705-252-2423
>
> On 2010-02-18, at 7:29 PM, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> Over the last several hours, I've finalized the transactions with Bernie
> and Gerrit, transferred the domain, configured the DNS, and set up a simple
> static homepage to display the community core values and point them to the
> three communal resources that we have, just like intended by the proposal
> sent out earlier this week.
>
> The new coworking.com points to the google group, the wiki, and the blog.
> It defines some explicit activities that people can do at each of those
> places to get involved.
>
> http://coworking.com
>
> It does not attempt to define coworking any more than is already defined on
> the landing page of the google group. It does not express any commercial or
> even organizational intent. It just says "we're here, and we're not going
> anywhere". I think this stake in the ground is extremely representative and
> lets us go ANY direction we want.
>
> The design is the product of...well...an hour of my time put in to
> copywriting and CSS. I'd be just as happy to throw it away if something else
> came along and the group suggests that, so long as the general concept stays
> clear.
>
> I'd also be willing to take design/copy tips/tweaks to heart. You can't
> hurt my feelings too bad, I'm not a designer and I know it :)
>
> There are still a number of other matters to sort out that have come up
> since we started down this fun journey this week, and they can be dealt with
> one at a time.
>
> I'll be following up with all of the contributors, as well as the list, to
> discuss the next steps in managing the remaining funds.
>
> *I'd really like the next discussion on this list* to help find a more
> sustainable mechanism for allowing people to contribute to the website fund
> without raising money that we simply don't need. Right now the fund raise is
> spread out over ~20 people. That de-risked the initial purchase, and let
> this happen at all. In the next phase, I think the objective should be to
> spread the fund wider and, as Chris Messina said, put the focus on
> individual supporters instead of business supporters, giving everyone more
> equal access to the resources that come with having the domain.
>
> Let's brainstorm!
>
> I also want to publicly thank Bernie and Gerrit for being so awesome during
> the transaction. They asked me to share this retrospective they posted last
> night on the last 10 years with the domain.
> http://www.smartmobs.com/2010/02/17/coworking-past-and-future/
>
> -Alex
>
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Re: [Coworking] coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

You have any screencaps of the early flock pages? I swear this just came out
of my head! :)

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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Tara Hunt  wrote:

> I think it's great for now (reminds me of an early FLOCK page, h?)! And
> THANK YOU Alex for doing this! You rawk!
>
> p.s. I hope we can revisit Coworkination mockups in the future (please
> please please?):
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/missrogue/sets/72157600017335084/
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Alex Hillman <
> dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Over the last several hours, I've finalized the transactions with Bernie
>> and Gerrit, transferred the domain, configured the DNS, and set up a simple
>> static homepage to display the community core values and point them to the
>> three communal resources that we have, just like intended by the proposal
>> sent out earlier this week.
>>
>> The new coworking.com points to the google group, the wiki, and the blog.
>> It defines some explicit activities that people can do at each of those
>> places to get involved.
>>
>> http://coworking.com
>>
>> It does not attempt to define coworking any more than is already defined
>> on the landing page of the google group. It does not express any commercial
>> or even organizational intent. It just says "we're here, and we're not going
>> anywhere". I think this stake in the ground is extremely representative and
>> lets us go ANY direction we want.
>>
>> The design is the product of...well...an hour of my time put in to
>> copywriting and CSS. I'd be just as happy to throw it away if something else
>> came along and the group suggests that, so long as the general concept stays
>> clear.
>>
>> I'd also be willing to take design/copy tips/tweaks to heart. You can't
>> hurt my feelings too bad, I'm not a designer and I know it :)
>>
>> There are still a number of other matters to sort out that have come up
>> since we started down this fun journey this week, and they can be dealt with
>> one at a time.
>>
>> I'll be following up with all of the contributors, as well as the list, to
>> discuss the next steps in managing the remaining funds.
>>
>> *I'd really like the next discussion on this list* to help find a more
>> sustainable mechanism for allowing people to contribute to the website fund
>> without raising money that we simply don't need. Right now the fund raise is
>> spread out over ~20 people. That de-risked the initial purchase, and let
>> this happen at all. In the next phase, I think the objective should be to
>> spread the fund wider and, as Chris Messina said, put the focus on
>> individual supporters instead of business supporters, giving everyone more
>> equal access to the resources that come with having the domain.
>>
>> Let's brainstorm!
>>
>> I also want to publicly thank Bernie and Gerrit for being so awesome
>> during the transaction. They asked me to share this retrospective they
>> posted last night on the last 10 years with the domain.
>> http://www.smartmobs.com/2010/02/17/coworking-past-and-future/
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>> /ah
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Re: [Coworking] Re: coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

One more fun, kinda geeky idea I had:

http://github.com/alexknowshtml/Coworking.com

<http://github.com/alexknowshtml/Coworking.com>I've now posted the very
first iteration of the website to github for anybody to fork and contribute
back to. Bug fixes, UI ideas, copywriting...whatever you like. You can
submit a pull request to me and we can use true open source to evolve the
website.

For those who don't now what Git or Github is, I apologize for the last 4
sentences of what must have appeared to be Klingon to you.

-Alex

/ah
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Avesta <2bave...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You did an awesome job handling all of this Alex, and the page looks
> great!
>
> Avesta and Cameron
> Founders
> CoLoft
> Coloft.com
>
> On Feb 18, 5:17 pm, Tara Hunt  wrote:
> > I'm sure it did! I can't find it. I'm sure Messina has a few kicking
> around.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Alex Hillman
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > You have any screencaps of the early flock pages? I swear this just
> came
> > > out of my head! :)
> >
> > > /ah
> > > indyhall.org
> > > coworking in philadelphia
> >
> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Tara Hunt 
> wrote:
> >
> > >> I think it's great for now (reminds me of an early FLOCK page,
> h?)!
> > >> And THANK YOU Alex for doing this! You rawk!
> >
> > >> p.s. I hope we can revisit Coworkination mockups in the future (please
> > >> please please?):
> > >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/missrogue/sets/72157600017335084/
> >
> > >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Alex Hillman <
> > >> dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>> Over the last several hours, I've finalized the transactions with
> Bernie
> > >>> and Gerrit, transferred the domain, configured the DNS, and set up a
> simple
> > >>> static homepage to display the community core values and point them
> to the
> > >>> three communal resources that we have, just like intended by the
> proposal
> > >>> sent out earlier this week.
> >
> > >>> The new coworking.com points to the google group, the wiki, and the
> > >>> blog. It defines some explicit activities that people can do at each
> of
> > >>> those places to get involved.
> >
> > >>>http://coworking.com
> >
> > >>> It does not attempt to define coworking any more than is already
> defined
> > >>> on the landing page of the google group. It does not express any
> commercial
> > >>> or even organizational intent. It just says "we're here, and we're
> not going
> > >>> anywhere". I think this stake in the ground is extremely
> representative and
> > >>> lets us go ANY direction we want.
> >
> > >>> The design is the product of...well...an hour of my time put in to
> > >>> copywriting and CSS. I'd be just as happy to throw it away if
> something else
> > >>> came along and the group suggests that, so long as the general
> concept stays
> > >>> clear.
> >
> > >>> I'd also be willing to take design/copy tips/tweaks to heart. You
> can't
> > >>> hurt my feelings too bad, I'm not a designer and I know it :)
> >
> > >>> There are still a number of other matters to sort out that have come
> up
> > >>> since we started down this fun journey this week, and they can be
> dealt with
> > >>> one at a time.
> >
> > >>> I'll be following up with all of the contributors, as well as the
> list,
> > >>> to discuss the next steps in managing the remaining funds.
> >
> > >>> *I'd really like the next discussion on this list* to help find a
> more
> > >>> sustainable mechanism for allowing people to contribute to the
> website fund
> > >>> without raising money that we simply don't need. Right now the fund
> raise is
> > >>> spread out over ~20 people. That de-risked the initial purchase, and
> let
> > >>> this happen at all. In the next phase, I think the objective should
> be to
> > >>> spread the fund wider and, as Chris Messina said, put the focus on
> > >>> individual supporters instead of business supporters, giving everyone
> more
> > >>> equal access

Re: [Coworking] Re: coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

That was awesome.

/ah
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:48 PM, j. p. sweeney <
james.swee...@workantileexchange.com> wrote:

> Alex-
>
> Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.
>
> J.P.
>
>
> On 18 Feb 2010, at 21:46, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> One more fun, kinda geeky idea I had:
>
> http://github.com/alexknowshtml/Coworking.com
>
> <http://github.com/alexknowshtml/Coworking.com>I've now posted the very
> first iteration of the website to github for anybody to fork and contribute
> back to. Bug fixes, UI ideas, copywriting...whatever you like. You can
> submit a pull request to me and we can use true open source to evolve the
> website.
>
> For those who don't now what Git or Github is, I apologize for the last 4
> sentences of what must have appeared to be Klingon to you.
>
> -Alex
>
> /ah
> indyhall.org
> coworking in philadelphia
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Avesta <2bave...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You did an awesome job handling all of this Alex, and the page looks
>> great!
>>
>> Avesta and Cameron
>> Founders
>> CoLoft
>> Coloft.com
>>
>> On Feb 18, 5:17 pm, Tara Hunt  wrote:
>> > I'm sure it did! I can't find it. I'm sure Messina has a few kicking
>> around.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Alex Hillman
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > You have any screencaps of the early flock pages? I swear this just
>> came
>> > > out of my head! :)
>> >
>> > > /ah
>> > > indyhall.org
>> > > coworking in philadelphia
>> >
>> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Tara Hunt 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> I think it's great for now (reminds me of an early FLOCK page,
>> h?)!
>> > >> And THANK YOU Alex for doing this! You rawk!
>> >
>> > >> p.s. I hope we can revisit Coworkination mockups in the future
>> (please
>> > >> please please?):
>> > >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/missrogue/sets/72157600017335084/
>> >
>> > >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Alex Hillman <
>> > >> dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >>> Over the last several hours, I've finalized the transactions with
>> Bernie
>> > >>> and Gerrit, transferred the domain, configured the DNS, and set up a
>> simple
>> > >>> static homepage to display the community core values and point them
>> to the
>> > >>> three communal resources that we have, just like intended by the
>> proposal
>> > >>> sent out earlier this week.
>> >
>> > >>> The new coworking.com points to the google group, the wiki, and the
>> > >>> blog. It defines some explicit activities that people can do at each
>> of
>> > >>> those places to get involved.
>> >
>> > >>>http://coworking.com
>> >
>> > >>> It does not attempt to define coworking any more than is already
>> defined
>> > >>> on the landing page of the google group. It does not express any
>> commercial
>> > >>> or even organizational intent. It just says "we're here, and we're
>> not going
>> > >>> anywhere". I think this stake in the ground is extremely
>> representative and
>> > >>> lets us go ANY direction we want.
>> >
>> > >>> The design is the product of...well...an hour of my time put in to
>> > >>> copywriting and CSS. I'd be just as happy to throw it away if
>> something else
>> > >>> came along and the group suggests that, so long as the general
>> concept stays
>> > >>> clear.
>> >
>> > >>> I'd also be willing to take design/copy tips/tweaks to heart. You
>> can't
>> > >>> hurt my feelings too bad, I'm not a designer and I know it :)
>> >
>> > >>> There are still a number of other matters to sort out that have come
>> up
>> > >>> since we started down this fun journey this week, and they can be
>> dealt with
>> > >>> one at a time.
>> >
>> > >>> I'll be following up with all of the contributors, as well as the
>> list,
>> > >>> to discuss the next steps in managing the remaining funds.
>> >
>> &g

Re: [Coworking] coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

I wanted to snapshot my memories of this last week as I remembered it, and
share it.

I wrote this last night. As I said on Twitter, I'm sure I left out something
Juicy, but:

http://www.dangerouslyawesome.com/2010/02/18/coworking-com-the-next-generation/

<http://www.dangerouslyawesome.com/2010/02/18/coworking-com-the-next-generation/>
-Alex

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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:25 AM, TCS  wrote:

> Hi,
> We realize there's more users - I wasn't counting users, rather considering
> the overall expandability and multifunctional use of a website tool.  It's
> not the easiest to use as a developer, but once you get it, it is robust!
>  Just thinking if you want to create a community environment and build on a
> more robust tool, Drupal's great.  We love Wordpress too!  Either way, we'll
> help.
>
> Chad
>
>
> On 2010-02-19, at 12:48 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
>
> We're a Drupal studio.  If planned well the site can be both aesthetically
> pleasing and self sustained.  (Drupal is the # 1 opensourse CMS)
>
>
> Sorry to hijack the thread *but only for a bit;* I just can't let that
> assertion stand unchallenged! :-) Drupal is not the #1 opensource CMS,
> WordPress is! It's got far more users than Drupal!  ;-)
>
>
> Anyway, I'm a former Drupal guy who after 2 years finally realized how much
> pain Drupal was causing me and switched to WordPress, never been happier!
> :)
>
>
>  -Mike Schinkel
> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
> http://ignitionalley.com
>
> p.s. OTOH, my partner in Ignition Alley is a Drupal guy so there you go!
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:55 PM, TCS wrote:
>
> We're a Drupal studio.  If planned well the site can be both aesthetically
> pleasing and self sustained.  (Drupal is the # 1 opensourse CMS)  We're
> willing to help develop the site if y'all wanna do the leg work on
> Information Architecture, finalize a content outline and navigation
> schematic, name the taxonomy terms and design.  ;o)  We can do design as
> well, but thought that could be another studio if they want to help. Don't
> know if there's funds available to offer to help build, but we're willing to
> do whatever for the cause of coworking!
>
> Chad
>
> The Creative Space - Canada
> www.thecreativespace.ca
> 705-252-2423
>
> On 2010-02-18, at 7:29 PM, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> Over the last several hours, I've finalized the transactions with Bernie
> and Gerrit, transferred the domain, configured the DNS, and set up a simple
> static homepage to display the community core values and point them to the
> three communal resources that we have, just like intended by the proposal
> sent out earlier this week.
>
> The new coworking.com points to the google group, the wiki, and the blog.
> It defines some explicit activities that people can do at each of those
> places to get involved.
>
> http://coworking.com
>
> It does not attempt to define coworking any more than is already defined on
> the landing page of the google group. It does not express any commercial or
> even organizational intent. It just says "we're here, and we're not going
> anywhere". I think this stake in the ground is extremely representative and
> lets us go ANY direction we want.
>
> The design is the product of...well...an hour of my time put in to
> copywriting and CSS. I'd be just as happy to throw it away if something else
> came along and the group suggests that, so long as the general concept stays
> clear.
>
> I'd also be willing to take design/copy tips/tweaks to heart. You can't
> hurt my feelings too bad, I'm not a designer and I know it :)
>
> There are still a number of other matters to sort out that have come up
> since we started down this fun journey this week, and they can be dealt with
> one at a time.
>
> I'll be following up with all of the contributors, as well as the list, to
> discuss the next steps in managing the remaining funds.
>
> *I'd really like the next discussion on this list* to help find a more
> sustainable mechanism for allowing people to contribute to the website fund
> without raising money that we simply don't need. Right now the fund raise is
> spread out over ~20 people. That de-risked the initial purchase, and let
> this happen at all. In the next phase, I think the objective should be to
> spread the fund wider and, as Chris Messina said, put the focus on
> individual supporters instead of business supporters, giving everyone more
> equal access to the resources that come with having the domain.
>
> Let's brainstorm!
>
> I also want to publicly thank 

Re: [Coworking] Re: Clarification

[Alex Hillman]

I agree completely with this part:

a  that helps potential space owners validate market demand in
> their area for a space, provide the nuts and bolts of what works and what
> doesn't work in nearby spaces


-Alex

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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Chris Stewart wrote:

> Cutting off the tip of an arm isn't enough; it needs a a piece of the
> core in order to grow into a new organism (http://
> www.newton.dep.anl.gov/newton/askasci/1993/biology/bio007.htm). I
> believe I've carved the starfish enough for now ;)
>
> Personally, whatI would like to see is a  that helps
> potential space owners validate market demand in their area for a
> space, provide the nuts and bolts of what works and what doesn't work
> in nearby spaces, and help them market the space. So much of coworking
> feels like the Wild West to me, in a freewheeling sort of way.
> Certainly there's a way to promote unity without resulting in
> homogeneity?
>
> - Chris
>
> On Feb 18, 2:53 pm, Tara Hunt  wrote:
> > "Every starfish needs a center..." Technically that is untrue. Cut off a
> > floating leg and it'll grow another core and four more legs. ;)
> >
> > That's why we use the metaphor!
> >
> > But I get what you mean...for me it is the Google group. Please don't
> move
> > it!
> >
> > T
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2010 3:36 PM, "Chris Stewart"  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> >It's been far too long since I've checked in with the group, and
> > I'm glad to see the pace of discussion hasn't slowed down a bit. As
> > someone "in, but not of," coworking, as I'm not a space owner (yet),
> > I've championed the concept of coworking to a number of audiences in
> > my neck of the woods (south Dallas County, Texas), and the first
> > speedbump I always hit with people is the definition of the movement
> > in terms they understand. Unlocking the value of coworking in the
> > minds of non-coworkers is a marketing issue, and marketing the
> > movement is driven by the largest elephant in the room.
> >
> >It's my belief that the core issue at stake is this: control.
> > Every other issue dances around the question of control. For a while
> > last year, I was throwing the term "federated coworking" as something
> > between "no walls" coworking and "evil empire" Coworking USA
> > Incorporated. Every starfish needs a center, or else all you have is a
> > bunch of floating arms. For some, this group and the wiki is the only
> > core that we need; for myself, there is a perceived value in creating
> >  (brackets meaning I'm not going there on legal
> > formalities, etc.) beyond the group and wiki that can serve as a
> > center for spaces. I'm leaning toward the idea of a regional
> > , since the economic and social climates differ between
> > Dallas, Seattle, Philadelphia, and New York, etc. The regional
> >  and individual spaces could people to an inter/national
> > .
> >
> >For the space owners, I have a question that may warrant its own
> > thread: what's your core? Whether internal or external, online or
> > offline, written down or in your mind alone, there is something that
> > drives your unique implementation of coworking, and I'm curious to see
> > what it is.
> >
> > May the introspection begin :)
> >
> > - Chris
> > On Feb 17, 12:16 pm, Mike Schinkel 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 17, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Jacob Sayles wrote:
> >
> > > > That's a far cry from putting together a b...
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Re: [Coworking] Re: coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

HAHA you said Zombo.

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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Tony Bacigalupo
wrote:

> Alex, thanks for rocking this and documenting it as you go. This is a good
> start and I look forward to this evolving in a healthy way.
>
> Let's move the discussion on w/Drupal vs WP vs Emacs vs Yahoo Store vs
> Zombo.com off-list, yes?
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, TCS  wrote:
>
>> Yep.  Both platforms have come a long way.  We are impressed with each and
>> try to fit the framework with the clint needs.  Thus far for CMS we're about
>> 80/20 between Drupal instals and WP.  http://www.symfony-project.org/looks 
>> good too.
>> peace,
>> Chad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2010-02-19, at 10:25 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:25 AM, TCS wrote:
>>
>> We realize there's more users - I wasn't counting users, rather
>> considering the overall expandability and multifunctional use of a website
>> tool.  It's not the easiest to use as a developer, but once you get it, it
>> is robust!  Just thinking if you want to create a community environment and
>> build on a more robust tool, Drupal's great.  We love Wordpress too!
>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Wordpress is a blog platform that can be used as a CMS, not an actual
>> CMS ;)
>>
>> Just teasing.
>>
>>
>> Yes mine was some as light hearted teasing as well. Glad you took it as as
>> such. :)
>>
>>
>> Still, "many a truth said in jest" as they say. I really have seen people
>> have a lot more difficulty getting Drupal projects completed vs. WordPress
>> projects and then training users to understand Drupal is yet another
>> complication where it's pretty easy for users to get WordPress.  As way to
>> explain and a rule of thumb I tell prospective users that the minimum
>> WordPress project cost they'd pay a local consultant for a professional
>> design and a bit of custom functionality developed in PHP and/or jQuery is
>> about $2500 vs. the minimum Drupal is around $10k.  Drupal typically makes
>> the first 85% easy but the last 15% can be very difficult (and hence time
>> consuming/expensive.)
>>
>>
>> FWIW a year ago WordPress didn't have the feature set needed in
>> core+plugins but does now.  A partner and I are actually launching a
>> conference in Atlanta called "The Business of WordPress" to highlight how to
>> use it for local businesses in part because I want them to see how effective
>> it is now.
>>
>>
>> -Mike Schinkel
>> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
>> http://ignitionalley.com
>>
>>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

I'll reiterate the next steps I'd like to tackle:

*I'd really like the next discussion on this list* to help find a more
sustainable mechanism for allowing people to contribute to the website fund
without raising money that we simply don't need. Right now the fund raise is
spread out over ~20 people. That de-risked the initial purchase, and let
this happen at all. In the next phase, I think the objective should be to
spread the fund wider and, as Chris Messina said, put the focus on
individual supporters instead of business supporters, giving everyone more
equal access to the resources that come with having the domain.

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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:23 AM, TCS  wrote:

> yes - all done!  What's next on coworking.com?
>
> On 2010-02-19, at 11:08 AM, Tony Bacigalupo wrote:
>
> Alex, thanks for rocking this and documenting it as you go. This is a good
> start and I look forward to this evolving in a healthy way.
>
> Let's move the discussion on w/Drupal vs WP vs Emacs vs Yahoo Store vs
> Zombo.com off-list, yes?
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, TCS  wrote:
>
>> Yep.  Both platforms have come a long way.  We are impressed with each and
>> try to fit the framework with the clint needs.  Thus far for CMS we're about
>> 80/20 between Drupal instals and WP.  http://www.symfony-project.org/looks 
>> good too.
>> peace,
>> Chad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2010-02-19, at 10:25 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:25 AM, TCS wrote:
>>
>> We realize there's more users - I wasn't counting users, rather
>> considering the overall expandability and multifunctional use of a website
>> tool.  It's not the easiest to use as a developer, but once you get it, it
>> is robust!  Just thinking if you want to create a community environment and
>> build on a more robust tool, Drupal's great.  We love Wordpress too!
>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Wordpress is a blog platform that can be used as a CMS, not an actual
>> CMS ;)
>>
>> Just teasing.
>>
>>
>> Yes mine was some as light hearted teasing as well. Glad you took it as as
>> such. :)
>>
>>
>> Still, "many a truth said in jest" as they say. I really have seen people
>> have a lot more difficulty getting Drupal projects completed vs. WordPress
>> projects and then training users to understand Drupal is yet another
>> complication where it's pretty easy for users to get WordPress.  As way to
>> explain and a rule of thumb I tell prospective users that the minimum
>> WordPress project cost they'd pay a local consultant for a professional
>> design and a bit of custom functionality developed in PHP and/or jQuery is
>> about $2500 vs. the minimum Drupal is around $10k.  Drupal typically makes
>> the first 85% easy but the last 15% can be very difficult (and hence time
>> consuming/expensive.)
>>
>>
>> FWIW a year ago WordPress didn't have the feature set needed in
>> core+plugins but does now.  A partner and I are actually launching a
>> conference in Atlanta called "The Business of WordPress" to highlight how to
>> use it for local businesses in part because I want them to see how effective
>> it is now.
>>
>>
>> -Mike Schinkel
>> Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
>> http://ignitionalley.com
>>
>>
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Re: [Coworking] Cospace is now open in North Austin

[Alex Hillman]

Big week for openings. Congrats everybody!

-Alex

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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Kirtus  wrote:

> We just wanted to let everyone know we finally opened our doors this
> week, February 17.  Thanks so much for everyone's help through this
> google group.  We couldn't have done it without all the help.
>
> www.cospaceatx.com is our site.  If you find yourself in Austin, drop
> us a line and come on by.
>
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[Coworking] More coworking videos

[Alex Hillman]

Gerard from CincyCoworks tipped me off to a set of videos that I recorded
last year for an interview with Web Worker Daily that I COMPLETELY forgot
about. I just posted them to the Indy Hall blog, and thought some of you
might find them useful and interesting.

http://www.indyhall.org/blog/2010/02/19/from-the-video-archives-coworking-questions-answered-for-web-worker-daily-in-2009/


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Re: [Coworking] Re: coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

Somebody just as picky as I am about words. I can respect that :)

-Alex

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On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:18 PM, resourcesuites
wrote:

> i would like to suggest Coworking: the NEW generation.  let's cross
> over the bar, not compete to raise it.
>
> On Feb 18, 2:29 pm, Alex Hillman  wrote:
> > Over the last several hours, I've finalized the transactions with Bernie
> and
> > Gerrit, transferred the domain, configured the DNS, and set up a simple
> > static homepage to display the community core values and point them to
> the
> > three communal resources that we have, just like intended by the proposal
> > sent out earlier this week.
> >
> > The new coworking.com points to the google group, the wiki, and the
> blog. It
> > defines some explicit activities that people can do at each of those
> places
> > to get involved.
> >
> > http://coworking.com
> >
> > It does not attempt to define coworking any more than is already defined
> on
> > the landing page of the google group. It does not express any commercial
> or
> > even organizational intent. It just says "we're here, and we're not going
> > anywhere". I think this stake in the ground is extremely representative
> and
> > lets us go ANY direction we want.
> >
> > The design is the product of...well...an hour of my time put in to
> > copywriting and CSS. I'd be just as happy to throw it away if something
> else
> > came along and the group suggests that, so long as the general concept
> stays
> > clear.
> >
> > I'd also be willing to take design/copy tips/tweaks to heart. You can't
> hurt
> > my feelings too bad, I'm not a designer and I know it :)
> >
> > There are still a number of other matters to sort out that have come up
> > since we started down this fun journey this week, and they can be dealt
> with
> > one at a time.
> >
> > I'll be following up with all of the contributors, as well as the list,
> to
> > discuss the next steps in managing the remaining funds.
> >
> > *I'd really like the next discussion on this list* to help find a more
> > sustainable mechanism for allowing people to contribute to the website
> fund
> > without raising money that we simply don't need. Right now the fund raise
> is
> > spread out over ~20 people. That de-risked the initial purchase, and let
> > this happen at all. In the next phase, I think the objective should be to
> > spread the fund wider and, as Chris Messina said, put the focus on
> > individual supporters instead of business supporters, giving everyone
> more
> > equal access to the resources that come with having the domain.
> >
> > Let's brainstorm!
> >
> > I also want to publicly thank Bernie and Gerrit for being so awesome
> during
> > the transaction. They asked me to share this retrospective they posted
> last
> > night on the last 10 years with the domain.
> http://www.smartmobs.com/2010/02/17/coworking-past-and-future/
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > /ah
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Re: [Coworking] Re: coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

That's the 3rd Star Trek reference in just this thread.

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On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 2:06 PM, TCS  wrote:

> Coworking:Deep Space Nine
>
> On 2010-02-20, at 2:03 PM, Tara Hunt wrote:
>
> How about Coworking: the same generation, but better! ;P
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:48 PM, WHERE MMM  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:48 AM, WHERE MMM  wrote:
>>
>>> good comment.!
>>>
>>> Danielle Nicoli
>>> WHERE to cowork in Los Angeles
>>>
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 i would like to suggest Coworking: the NEW generation.  let's cross
 over the bar, not compete to raise it.



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Re: [Coworking] Re: coworking.com: the next generation

[Alex Hillman]

Devin,

This is very, very cool. We've been looking for something like this
regionally for event fundraising.

I'll be in touch off-list.

-Alex

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On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Devin  wrote:

> Alex: my company beex.org is a challenge and project-based fundraising
> platform.  People use it to say what they'll do if a certain amount of
> money if raised for the nonprofit of their choice.  For example, you
> could use it to say something like 'We will purchase coworking.com if
> $6000 is raised for (nonprofit org)."  The system allows anyone with a
> paypal address to receive funds but so far we've only let nonprofits
> register.
>
> I LOVE coworking and am starting a cafe/coworking space with some
> friends in Brooklyn this spring so we'd be honored if our tools could
> power this community's fundraising efforts.  Everything is free: no
> startup charges, no transaction fees.  We're getting sponsors to pay
> for everything.  :)
>
> We have two options to adapt BEEx to the needs of this community:
> 1.  We can get a nonprofit to fiscally sponsor our projects.  This
> would make all donations to these projects tax-deductible because the
> money would flow through a nonprofit whose mission is aligned with the
> coworking movement.  I know a number of organizations who would be
> interested in fiscally sponsoring these projects.  With just a little
> coordination we could be collecting tax-deductible donations by the
> end of the week.
> 2.  We could also create a custom solution for coworking that alerts
> users that their donations aren't tax deductible but I'd much prefer
> to do option 1.
>
> Let's discuss more off list.
>
> Folks: If you guys have favorite nonprofits please email me their
> names and my genuinely charming partner will reach out to them after
> our next site update (javascript registration and improved
> formatting!) this week.
>
> Exciting stuff.
>
>
> On Feb 19, 11:32 am, Alex Hillman 
> wrote:
> > I'll reiterate the next steps I'd like to tackle:
> >
> > *I'd really like the next discussion on this list* to help find a more
> > sustainable mechanism for allowing people to contribute to the website
> fund
> > without raising money that we simply don't need. Right now the fund raise
> is
> > spread out over ~20 people. That de-risked the initial purchase, and let
> > this happen at all. In the next phase, I think the objective should be to
> > spread the fund wider and, as Chris Messina said, put the focus on
> > individual supporters instead of business supporters, giving everyone
> more
> > equal access to the resources that come with having the domain.
> >
> > /ah
> > indyhall.org
> > coworking in philadelphia
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:23 AM, TCS  wrote:
> > > yes - all done!  What's next on coworking.com?
> >
> > > On 2010-02-19, at 11:08 AM, Tony Bacigalupo wrote:
> >
> > > Alex, thanks for rocking this and documenting it as you go. This is a
> good
> > > start and I look forward to this evolving in a healthy way.
> >
> > > Let's move the discussion on w/Drupal vs WP vs Emacs vs Yahoo Store vs
> > > Zombo.com off-list, yes?
> >
> > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, TCS 
> wrote:
> >
> > >> Yep.  Both platforms have come a long way.  We are impressed with each
> and
> > >> try to fit the framework with the clint needs.  Thus far for CMS we're
> about
> > >> 80/20 between Drupal instals and WP.
> http://www.symfony-project.org/looksgood too.
> > >> peace,
> > >> Chad
> >
> > >> On 2010-02-19, at 10:25 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
> >
> > >> On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:25 AM, TCS wrote:
> >
> > >> We realize there's more users - I wasn't counting users, rather
> > >> considering the overall expandability and multifunctional use of a
> website
> > >> tool.  It's not the easiest to use as a developer, but once you get
> it, it
> > >> is robust!  Just thinking if you want to create a community
> environment and
> > >> build on a more robust tool, Drupal's great.  We love Wordpress too!
> >
> > >> On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Patrick wrote:
> >
> > >> Wordpress is a blog platform that can be used as a CMS, not an actual
> > >> CMS ;)
> >
> > >> Just teasing.
> >
> > >> Yes mine was some as light hearted teasing as well. Glad you took it
> as as
> > &

Re: [Coworking] Coworking.com Share alike?

[Alex Hillman]

Interesting! What license would you suggest is a better culture/ethose fit?

-Alex

On Monday, February 22, 2010, Andrius Kulikauskas  wrote:
> Congratulations on setting up http://coworking.com
>
> I noted this:  All material is suggested to be shared under Creative Commons 
> Share-Alike Attribution license, unless specifically cited by the author.
>
> The Share Alike license is a very regressive license and is very disruptive 
> for Public Domain content.  It insists that any work that it gets included in 
> must also be Share Alike.  For example, I have made great efforts to organize 
> my Minciu Sodas laboratory's venues in the Public Domain.  If somebody sends 
> a letter using the Share Alike license, or includes an excerpt using the 
> Share Alike license - including anything from coworking.com - then by the 
> terms of the license, we would have to delete it, or our entire archive would 
> leave the Public Domain.
>
> Please think about what the license says.  And then choose to use another 
> license!
>
> Co-working is about sharing.  Share alike is not.  It's an unfortunate fad.
>
> Andrius
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