Re: [css-d] Looking for reasons to use header tags - esp. for ADA

2006-01-21 Thread D Ross

 *BESIDES* the fact that it's just good practice to use headers or
 because the W3C recommends that headers should be used in sequential
 order, is there any other reasons to use header tags?



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Re: [css-d] Organizing CSS

2006-01-21 Thread Michael Hulse
On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Bill Moseley wrote:
 I just looking for a few tips on how to organize CSS files.

I kinda like how the CSS for most Ruthsarian Layouts is organized:
http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/index.html

My personal technique is to link from index page like so:

link rel=stylesheet href=./css/master.css type=text/css 
media=screen /

... and within master.css:

/*--( IMPORT STYLE: )-*/
@import url(general.css);
@import url(layout.css);
@import url(links.css);
@import url(nav_horiz.css);
@import url(nav_vert.css);
@import url(forms.css);
@import url(pending.css);
/**/

I am still refining my system as time goes on, but seems to work best 
for me.

Gl, hth,
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Re: [css-d] Replace Picture Bar with New Set

2006-01-21 Thread Bryce Fields
On 1/21/06, Donna Pfledderer @ Virtual Business Connection
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 Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to make the bar of thumbnails
 slide to the left and replace with new ones and then slide to the right when

Donna,

You're going to have to use JavaScript to accomplish this.  I know of
no way to do it using just CSS.  I googled JavaScript scrolling
images and was able to come up w/ several code samples and tutorials.

Hope this helps.

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Re: [css-d] new site is live...

2006-01-21 Thread Ricky Zhou
 Not that it's newsworthy, but I have re-designed my
 site blackcoil.com using ASP.NET 2.0, Master Pages,
 CSS, XHTML, and all that lovely goodness.

Just a note, that new line before your DOCTYPE can potentially mess
you up by putting IE in quirks mode (although this probably doesn't
affect you now, it can cause a lot of mysterious trouble later on).

Also, looking through the pages, I only see h1, h3, and h4. 
Remember that you should use h? to show the structure of your page
(you can always change the font-size/margins/padding in your CSS.  It
may help to look at your page without the CSS and see if it looks
right.

Hope this helps,
Ricky
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Re: [css-d] Image map effect on a background image (followup)

2006-01-21 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Gary Czychi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This is an excerpt of my font.css file:

.bgstars{ height: 600px; width: 800px; background-image: 
url(../img/bgstars.jpg) }
.bgstars a  { /* display: block; float: left;  border: 1px dashed red; 
/* debug display */ }
.bgstars a span { display: none; }
.bgstars a#lkhome   { height: 50px; width: 50px;  border: 1px dashed green; }
.bgstars a#link2{ height: 75px; width: 25px;  border: 1px dashed blue; }
.bgstars a#link3{ height: 10px; width: 10px;  border: 1px dashed purple; }

=  div id=bgstars
=  a id=lkhome href=http://home;spanLink 1/span/a

Gary, if this is an actual copy-and-paste job from your CSS and HTML files, 
then I think that the problem is probably that you have used class selectors in 
your CSS whereas you've tried to call that name (bgstars) with an ID attribute 
in the HTML.

If fixing this doesn't clear it up, perhaps, as Roger suggested, you can post 
the page for us to look at.

~holly
 
 
   
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Re: [css-d] Looking for reasons to use header tags - esp. for ADA

2006-01-21 Thread Jim Nannery
Morning Mike

You wrote

I did realize that I left off search engines after I wrote my message.
 Now, will my example #2 be sufficient for descent SEO?  Also, do search
 engines have problems with skipped headers?


Unless there was a question in there about styling header tags that I 
missed, this thread has drifted from html mark up to SEO.

This question would be more appropriate at  forum like webdesign-L [1] or 
see the CSS-D wiki [2] for more forums that can provide appropriate 
responses.

Regards

[1] http://webdesign-l.com/
[2] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic

Jim Nannery
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[css-d] Replace Picture Bar with New Set

2006-01-21 Thread Donna Pfledderer @ Virtual Business Connection
Thanks Bryce, 

I'll try the google search.

Donna
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[css-d] Safari problem

2006-01-21 Thread clamato
I've been working on a site that has a strange bug in Safari. There is a 
dropdown for the top menu item, our yarns. The right side border is not showing 
up until you close the dropdown, and then it remains on screen! I've never seen 
this behavior before.

The page is available at:
http://www.cherylamato.com/wool/

Any ideas?

Cheryl
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Re: [css-d] CSS Explorer and absolute div

2006-01-21 Thread Trish Meyer
At 11:50 PM -0800 1/20/06, Trish Meyer wrote:
html
http://www.socahort.org/meetings.html

and CSS on page
http://www.socahort.org/stylesheets/schs.css

the div called #archive includes the Past Meetings links.

After my post last night, I had the brilliant idea (well, brilliant 
for me...) to made the little #archive a float left and relative div, 
rather than an asboluely positioned div. Was this the right approach??

This seems to have solved the problem in Windows Explorer.

However, now in Explorer on Mac, the archive div draws underneath the 
nav bar so it's unreadable. Aaargh again.

Any ideas? Besides telling them to use Safari?G

Trish

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[css-d] Centering with margin:auto - help my browser compatibility test

2006-01-21 Thread Gregory Haase
All,

I was working on a layout when I discovered that depending on which 
browser you use, margin:auto is calculated differently. Specifically, I 
was trying to make certain content elements flush up with a border that 
was part of a centered background image. I noticed that in IE, if you 
descrease or increase the browser window by 1 pixel increments, it 
alternately breaks/fixes the layout. By broken I mean the content is 
shifted 1 pixel to the left, causing it to overlap the border on that 
side and leave 1 pixel of white on the other.

I subsequently figured out that it works in IE (6) if your background is 
an odd number of pixels wide and your div is an even number of pixels wide.

I created 4 different tests, and tested IE, firefox, and Opera, and got 
differnet results for each. So far there isn't one scenario that seems 
to work in all browsers. I plan to test Konquerer later, but I don't 
have a Mac so I can't test Safari.

If anyone would like to help me test (or is curious about the results), 
you can find them here: http://onefreevoice.com/~haaseg/even_even.html

Also, if anyone has seen this before, has seen more information 
somewhere on the net (I searched a bit but did not find anything), or 
better yet has a solution, please let me know.

Thanks,

Greg Haase
onefreevoice.com
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Re: [css-d] Safari problem

2006-01-21 Thread Ingo Chao
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been working on a site that has a strange bug in Safari. There
 is a dropdown for the top menu item, our yarns. The right side border
 is not showing up until you close the dropdown, and then it remains
 on screen! 
 
 http://www.cherylamato.com/wool/


#nav a { ... display: block; width: 140px; }
#nav li { float: left; width: 140px; }
#nav li.yarn { ... border-width: 1px 1px 1px 0pt;... }

#nav li ul { position: absolute; width: 140px; left: -999em; }

#nav li.yarn ul a { ... border-width: 1px 1px 1px 0pt; ... }

#nav li:hover ul{ left: auto; }


both the a and the li have a width of 140px, adding on 1px border-right.

Safari, but not the others, offsets the ul of 140px width only, and 
omits the 1px that exceeds the ul.

#nav li ul { ... width: 141px; ... }
should do.


(By applying a fuchsia border to the li/a, and left:1em; instead of 
-999em to the ul, I can see the forgotten border in the left off.

http://www.satzansatz.de/safari/apdynoffset.html

While hovering the ul li a, the a gets repainted and shows the border, 
but again, when the navigation collapses, this border remains. With 
maximized text zoom, even the exceeding cashmere ere remains.)

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] CSS Explorer and absolute div

2006-01-21 Thread Ingo Chao
Trish Meyer wrote:
 Help.
 
 It's midnight and I don't know where my div is...
 
 Please see page
 http://www.socahort.org/meetings.html
 
 and CSS on page
 http://www.socahort.org/stylesheets/schs.css
 
 the div called #archive includes the Past Meetings links.
 
 It's an absolute div, nested inside the div#wrapper which also 
 includes the main #contents div, both of which are relative. ...


Trish,

your page seems to be changed now, I hadn't a look at the original (you 
  subsumed your midnight question under an existing thread with the more 
vague subject CSS Formatting issues).

Disappearing absolutely positioned elements next to floats are described 
in detail here:

http://brunildo.org/test/IE_raf3.html

Probably one of these 15 cases Bruno Fassino collected would have 
matched your problem.

Ingo


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Re: [css-d] CSS Formatting Issues:

2006-01-21 Thread Cory Perry
david wrote:

No, the problem is that DW (and it's WYSI-not-really-what-you-get 
competitors) is lying to you. The only way to really test and make sure 
your pages are working right is checking it in a browser. Remember, 
people don't browse websites using Dreamweaver! ;-)

  


I'm sorry, I think you guys are misunderstanding what I am saying. I am 
not talking about how the layout looks in the browser, I am talking 
about when you right click and view the source code, THAT is what is all 
messed up. In particular the CSS. In DW8, the CSS is all nice and neat 
just like I coded it, but if you view the CSS CODE in a browser window, 
it is all messed up and all over the place like it lost the formatting.

What would cause that? The browser, the FTP program that I am using or what?

Cory
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Re: [css-d] 3px holly hack - not working for my needs

2006-01-21 Thread Holly Bergevin

-- Original Message --
From: Scott Holdeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:15:17 -0700

 is it
always the case that a block level element cannot (should not) be contained
in an inline element?

Yes. See Jukka Korpela's pages for an outline view of what can be nested in 
what. 

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/nesting.html
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/strict.html

Could you be more specific about the competing selectors that you are
referring to? - I'm not sure I understand.

I aplolgize for taking so long to reply to this, and one result is that I no 
longer recall specifically what these were. But I believe you had some 
selectors you were trying to get to work that were not as specific as later 
selectors (for example, one was a class selector and one was an ID selector - 
IDs are more specific than classes) and so the class selector declarations were 
being overridden by the ID selector declarations.

I hope that helps,

~holly 
 
   
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Re: [css-d] Replace Picture Bar with New Set

2006-01-21 Thread videoscott1
Try adding this in place of div.boxPictureBar:

iframe id=xhtml name=xhtml src=blank.html frameborder= height=250 
width=95%
You need a standards compliant browser to see this iframe! At least IE
5.5 or Netscape 6. Please go to the links above and download one of the
recommended browsers for free.
/iframe

Then create a page or maybe more with yours sets of pictures, utilizing 
what you deleted from this page.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm not sure how to ask this, but on this page

http://www.1startescape.com/NewSite/gallery_natPlaces.html
http://www.1startescape.com/NewSite/css/portfolio.css

When the user clicks on the arrow I want the picture bar to be replaced
with new thumbnails.

I have looked through the archives, but since I'm not sure what to call
this, I didn't have much luck searching.

I'm not sure if I should do it the same way that the Pictures and text above
are replaced, but instead of one picture at a time, I want the whole bar to
replace. I just can't wrap my mind around it.

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to make the bar of thumbnails
slide to the left and replace with new ones and then slide to the right when
you click on a left button, replacing the old ones? I use to do this in
flash, but I haven't done it in a while and I have to learn flash all over
again. I would like to do it in CSS if possible.

Thanks and I hope I explained myself well enough.
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Virtual Business Connection
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Re: [css-d] Centering with margin:auto - help my browser compatibility test

2006-01-21 Thread Gregory Haase
Roger,

You're probably correct that it is some sort of rounding issue. Weird 
that the background and the div wouldn't behave the same (IE), and 
weirder still that Firefox renders correctly for an even width div and 
incorrectly for an odd width div (regardless of background image). I 
guess with knowing the exact width of the browser and some more careful 
testing we could deduce exactly how each browser handles the odd number. 
It probably isn't worth the time though.

I won't show a link to the project I'm working on... a.) there are a 
million other things that need to be fixed on it right now, and b.) it's 
in a local access only development environment.

I do believe that I'm going to try a different layout technique to get 
the results I want across all browsers. Or I'm going to alter the layout 
to one that doesn't need to be so pixel perfect (maybe best for my sanity).

Right now I'm thinking of just adding another parent div the width of 
the background with position:relative and lining up the content 
position:absolute with a small left offset. It seems like an extraneous 
div, but it should work with minimal extra bandwidth.

I added your test results to my chart - if you would like your name 
linked somewhere in the attribution, please e-mail me off-list with the 
destination.

Thanks,

Greg Haase
onefreevoice.com

Roger Roelofs wrote:

Greg,
  

firefox 1.501 matches ff 1.07 from your chart and Safari 1.3.2 matches 
Opera 8.51 from your chart.

I think the anomaly is a rounding inconsistency.  If yo have a body 
that is 873px wide and a background image that is 872px wide, that is 
to be centered one side must have 1px where the background image isn't 
covering.  Which side is the 'right' side?  Is it the same side for 
background images as it it is for centered content?  I don't recall 
seeing this situation addressed in the spec, so you can expect some 
variation among compliant user agents.

Can we see the page that started this investigation?  There may be a 
workaround but it will depend on the specifics of the page in question. 
  Having pages 'look alike' across browserland is not very hard.  Having 
pages match pixel for pixel is an order of magnitude more difficult.  
Usually you can obtain the look you want without the need for pixel 
perfect placement.

hth
  


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[css-d] Form field colours

2006-01-21 Thread Vicki Stebbins
Hi,

I'm working on a site with quite a few forms.

I set the background colour via the CSS to reflect a grey colour for the 
background in the text boxes, which works fine in FF and Opera but in IE6.0 
it randomly shows some of the text boxes 'yellow'???

I've tried everything I can think of, it seems it's IE (still there when 
there's no stylesheet), and I've never had this with any other form. When I 
remove the form/form it shows okay... there's no pattern with which 
fields it makes yellow either. Also tried it on different servers.

I haven't changed my IE settings, I only use it to test a site.

Does anyone know what is happening?

Thanks

Vicki (with very bruised forehead from banging against wall)

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Re: [css-d] Form field colours

2006-01-21 Thread Michael Hulse
On Jan 21, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Vicki Stebbins wrote:
 I set the background colour via the CSS to reflect a grey colour for 
 the background in the text boxes, which works fine in FF and Opera but 
 in IE6.0 it randomly shows some of the text boxes 'yellow'???

I get this same exact problem!

I have noticed that when I submit the form, and then hit the back 
button, the yellow will disappear.

My forms are all CSS... I am also applying a (non-yellow) color to the 
background of the input tags.

Unfortunately, I have had not time to trouble-shoot... Sorry, no fix 
from me.

I too would love to hear a fix.

Thanks,
Cheers,
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Re: [css-d] Form field colours

2006-01-21 Thread Christian Heilmann
  I set the background colour via the CSS to reflect a grey colour for
  the background in the text boxes, which works fine in FF and Opera but
  in IE6.0 it randomly shows some of the text boxes 'yellow'???

It is the google toolbar indicating which fields have data already
stored for you in the google toolbar history:

http://www.wait-till-i.com/index.php?p=73


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Re: [css-d] Form field colours

2006-01-21 Thread David Dorward
On 21/01/06, Vicki Stebbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I set the background colour via the CSS to reflect a grey colour for the
 background in the text boxes, which works fine in FF and Opera but in IE6.0
 it randomly shows some of the text boxes 'yellow'???

You probably have the Google Toolbar installed and it is informing you
that it thinks it can fill in those fields for you.

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[css-d] Replace Picture Bar with New Set

2006-01-21 Thread Christian Heilmann
 Try adding this in place of div.boxPictureBar:

 iframe id=xhtml name=xhtml src=blank.html frameborder= height=250 
 width=95%
 You need a standards compliant browser to see this iframe! At least IE
 5.5 or Netscape 6. Please go to the links above and download one of the
 recommended browsers for free.
 /iframe

 Then create a page or maybe more with yours sets of pictures, utilizing
 what you deleted from this page.

Or use JavaScript to show and hide the different sections. In any
case, this is OFF-Topic for a CSS mailinglist. I haven't got an out
of the box solution for this detailed site, but it really is not that
hard to achieve.

I really consider the message you put in the IFRAME a slap in the
face. What if I cannot see or if I cannot download a different browser
because my company's security settings don't allow me to do so? If you
cannot solve a web design issue, don't make it the visitor's
problem... And especially don't advertise IFRAME hacks as a standards
compliance feature. Frames are for most of the normal  brochureware
sites these days obsolete and should be replaced with server side
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Re: [css-d] Form field colours

2006-01-21 Thread Vicki Stebbins
At 09:56 AM 22/01/2006, Christian Heilmann wrote:
   I set the background colour via the CSS to reflect a grey colour for
   the background in the text boxes, which works fine in FF and Opera but
   in IE6.0 it randomly shows some of the text boxes 'yellow'???

It is the google toolbar indicating which fields have data already
stored for you in the google toolbar history:

http://www.wait-till-i.com/index.php?p=73


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Thank you so much Christian!

I only installed the google toolbar recently and did google searches 
looking for the reason for the yellow, and didn't get anything about this.

Once again,

Thank you

A happy if bloodied foreheaded

8-)

Vicki  

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[css-d] Windows browser check (ADNCC)

2006-01-21 Thread Brandon Oto
Howdy all!

Quick browser check under Win browsers if you can spare a moment.  
Smallish and straightforward site, but dashed off pretty quickly, so  
that combined with the fact that I'm not even supposed to be coding  
nowadays means some goofs are highly plausible.

Thus: http://s92519729.onlinehome.us/

Thanks in advance,

- Brandon
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Re: [css-d] Windows browser check (ADNCC)

2006-01-21 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Brandon Oto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hey Brandon, welcome back!

Smallish and straightforward site, but dashed off pretty quickly, so  
that combined with the fact that I'm not even supposed to be coding  
nowadays means some goofs are highly plausible.

Thus: http://s92519729.onlinehome.us/

You need to clear your footer. I had to do it in all the style sheets to get it 
to work when the switcher was used.

If you want the text to sit next to the image, you'll need float the image, 
too, or reverse the order in the HTML.

#imgfrontbox img {float: left;}

Checked in Moz(older), Firefox, Op8, IE6.

~holly

Sorry to hear you're not supposed to be coding... 
 
   
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Re: [css-d] Windows browser check (ADNCC)

2006-01-21 Thread Brandon Oto

On Jan 21, 2006, at 4:38 PM, Holly Bergevin wrote:

 Hey Brandon, welcome back!

Nice to be back in the fray again. (Not really. But the fellow foot  
soldiers I do miss.)

 Thus: http://s92519729.onlinehome.us/

 You need to clear your footer. I had to do it in all the style  
 sheets to get it to work when the switcher was used.

D'you mean clearing the entire footer, on the index page? Or do you  
mean the floats inside the footer?

 If you want the text to sit next to the image, you'll need float  
 the image, too, or reverse the order in the HTML.

 #imgfrontbox img {float: left;}

g Good point.

 Checked in Moz(older), Firefox, Op8, IE6.

Thanks much, Holly.

 Sorry to hear you're not supposed to be coding...

:-D I have to confess that this business started driving me out of my  
skull. Like making sand castles using a sieve. Just mind-numbing. The  
only reason I'm still working this job is because I got involved in  
it literally a year and a half ago and the client has taken this long  
to get the content sorted out... just can't escape, I tell ya.

- Brandon
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[css-d] Simple unordered list Firefox problem

2006-01-21 Thread Martin Petrov
Could you please see my site with Firefox and check the unordered list
of links on the right. It shows properly in IE and Opera, but not with
Firefox.

It must be a simple problem, but the negative margins used for the
sidebar confuse me and I'm so exhausted right now  :)

http://pax.pcc.edu/gjackson/students/mpetrov/

Thank you!
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Re: [css-d] Windows browser check (ADNCC)

2006-01-21 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Brandon Oto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Nice to be back in the fray again. (Not really. But the fellow foot  
soldiers I do miss.)

Well, you're remembered by this foot soldier, anyway, and always welcome here.

 Thus: http://s92519729.onlinehome.us/

 You need to clear your footer. 

D'you mean clearing the entire footer, on the index page? 

Yes - 

#footer {... clear: both;}

I had to do that in each style sheet to get it to work when the switcher was 
activated.

The  
only reason I'm still working this job is because I got involved in  
it literally a year and a half ago and the client has taken this long  
to get the content sorted out... just can't escape, I tell ya.

Bummer... The tribulations of being good at something... I do expect you've had 
many other things occupying your time, however. By the way, congrats on the 
graduation.

~holly  
 
   
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Re: [css-d] Printing issues, 2-column, in both IE FF

2006-01-21 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
I have a work-around for this printing issue.  It was interesting and
problematic enough to be worth writing up in case others can benefit,
I think.

The fix:
The print no longer drops lines because I added a #footer (display:
none;) to print.css.  I no longer get the copyright at the bottom of
the printed page, but now the rest of the text prints properly.

Other things I tried, including suppressing the printing of the second
column, did not work.  It did not work to simply move the clear
instructions to a screen-only css.  In fact, I tried a ton of
different approaches until I tried this one.

The problem:
In a relative  static positioned (not much absolute), layout with a
header, footer, and two-columns, FireFox was printing the footer
before the end of the page (likely after the end of the shorter
column) and was dropping lines of text from the document.

For the curious, you can see the problem if you are using a css online
editor and you remove the display:none in the #footer in print.css on
www.tincat-group.com/mewsings.  It will then exhibit the original
problem that took me way to long to figure out.

If anyone does know how I can get the footer to also print at the end
in FireFox, I sure would be interested.

Cheers!  --dawn
--
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Tincat Group, Inc.
www.tincat-group.com

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[css-d] Drop down menu woes

2006-01-21 Thread Deprived O. Oxygen
Hi all, I'm relatively inexperienced in using CSS for more than the most
basic layout and design needs and I have been trying to set up some drop
down menus for a site I am working on (http://www.document-group.com). I
have managed to get to the point where the menus appear the way I want
them to in Firefox (1.5) but IE seems to have a completely different idea
of how things should look.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Re: [css-d] Simple unordered list Firefox problem

2006-01-21 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On 22 Jan 2006, at 10:35 am, Martin Petrov wrote:

 Could you please see my site with Firefox and check the unordered list
 of links on the right. It shows properly in IE and Opera, but not with
 Firefox.

 It must be a simple problem, but the negative margins used for the
 sidebar confuse me and I'm so exhausted right now  :)

 http://pax.pcc.edu/gjackson/students/mpetrov/

Imho, Opera, Safari, IE get it wrong in this case.

Difficult case, and the css 2.1 docs are not very clear here.

On #extra ul, you specify {list-style-position:inside};
this means, create an inline object that is the bullet within the box  
generated by the li
Fictional tag sequence would be:
lispanbullet/span./li
But the a is set to {display:block}. This moves the box generated  
by the a to a (new) line of it's own.

Imho, Opera, Safari, IE get it wrong in this case.

The better way to handle your list would be to set the list-style- 
position to outside (the default) and work out your padding/margins  
from there.

Philippe
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Re: [css-d] Simple unordered list Firefox problem

2006-01-21 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/21/06, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The better way to handle your list would be to set the list-style-
 position to outside (the default) and work out your padding/margins
 from there.

Maybe set the list style to none (so no bullets) - it will probably
look fine then.

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[css-d] margin in one column pushes content down in the next column

2006-01-21 Thread Mike Soultanian
Let's say I have two columns and there is a div in each column.  If I 
add a margin-top to the left column, it pushes the div down in the other 
column when viewed in Firefox.  Is this normal behavior or is it a bug? 
  This does not happen in Opera or IE.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [css-d] Simple unordered list Firefox problem

2006-01-21 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On 22 Jan 2006, at 12:30 pm, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:


 On 22 Jan 2006, at 10:35 am, Martin Petrov wrote:

 Could you please see my site with Firefox and check the unordered  
 list
 of links on the right. It shows properly in IE and Opera, but not  
 with
 Firefox.

 It must be a simple problem, but the negative margins used for the
 sidebar confuse me and I'm so exhausted right now  :)

 http://pax.pcc.edu/gjackson/students/mpetrov/

 Imho, Opera, Safari, IE get it wrong in this case.

 Difficult case, and the css 2.1 docs are not very clear here.

 On #extra ul, you specify {list-style-position:inside};
 this means, create an inline object that is the bullet within the box
 generated by the li
 Fictional tag sequence would be:
 lispanbullet/span./li
 But the a is set to {display:block}. This moves the box generated
 by the a to a (new) line of it's own.

 Imho, Opera, Safari, IE get it wrong in this case.

 The better way to handle your list would be to set the list-style-
 position to outside (the default) and work out your padding/margins
 from there.

Someone asked off list what was my argument for the above, I'll point  
to the CSS2.1 docs.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#propdef-list-style-position

Specifically:
 quote 
inside
 The marker box is the first inline box in the principal block  
box, [...]
 /quote 

Philippe
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[css-d] Fwd: Simple unordered list Firefox problem

2006-01-21 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
For the sake of the archives, forwarding this to the list, as Martin  
replied to me only


 Philippe, you gave me a very valuable information and I just learned
 something new. I fixed the problam as you suggested by removing
 list-style: inside.
 For those who want to visit a copy of the broken page -
 http://pax.pcc.edu/gjackson/students/mpetrov/_source/other/css-d/ 
 firefox-list-style-display-problem.htm

 Martin

 I didn't know anything about the small bullets and how they are  
 rendered.



 On 1/21/06, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 22 Jan 2006, at 10:35 am, Martin Petrov wrote:

 Could you please see my site with Firefox and check the unordered  
 list
 of links on the right. It shows properly in IE and Opera, but not  
 with
 Firefox.

 It must be a simple problem, but the negative margins used for the
 sidebar confuse me and I'm so exhausted right now  :)

 http://pax.pcc.edu/gjackson/students/mpetrov/

 Imho, Opera, Safari, IE get it wrong in this case.

 Difficult case, and the css 2.1 docs are not very clear here.

 On #extra ul, you specify {list-style-position:inside};
 this means, create an inline object that is the bullet within the box
 generated by the li
 Fictional tag sequence would be:
 lispanbullet/span./li
 But the a is set to {display:block}. This moves the box generated
 by the a to a (new) line of it's own.

 Imho, Opera, Safari, IE get it wrong in this case.

 The better way to handle your list would be to set the list-style-
 position to outside (the default) and work out your padding/margins
 from there.



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Re: [css-d] margin in one column pushes content down in the next column

2006-01-21 Thread Mike Soultanian
Sorry about that, I forgot to include a link:

http://www2.csulb.edu/colleges/cota/test5.html

thanks,
Mike

Mike Soultanian wrote:
 Let's say I have two columns and there is a div in each column.  If I 
 add a margin-top to the left column, it pushes the div down in the other 
 column when viewed in Firefox.  Is this normal behavior or is it a bug? 
   This does not happen in Opera or IE.
 
 Thanks,
 Mike
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