[css-d] Divs wont expand vertically - Make them behave!

2006-08-01 Thread Andreas Håkansson
Hi,

I'm trying to get the contents part of this layout to expand and 
contain the entire text, as well as push down the footer.

http://www.selfinflicted.org/css/layout_temp.html

It works great in IE but in Firefox and Opera they just don't want to 
expand and push =/ What am I missing here, its boggeling my mind.


/Andreas
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Re: [css-d] CSS External Links

2006-08-01 Thread David Dorward
On 01/08/06, Joseph Lorenzini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does anyone know of a good way to style external links in CSS that will
 visually separate them from internal links?

I add background images of a globe. See http://dorward.me.uk/

The CSS can be found at http://dorward.me.uk/css/easter-2005.css ,
grep it for 'a[href ^=http:]'.

Note that IE doesn't support a CSS way to recognise external links.
You may wish to change the selectors and markup (e.g. add a class) to
add support for IE.

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Re: [css-d] CSS External Links

2006-08-01 Thread david
Joseph Lorenzini wrote:

 Does anyone know of a good way to style external links in CSS that will
 visually separate them from internal links?

Javascript? Put all your external links in a single DIV and style  the 
links in that DIV the way you want?

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Re: [css-d] Is it possible to write custormized rules for firefox?

2006-08-01 Thread cj
On 8/1/06, old9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi cj, thanks for your reply.

 I think I'd represent my problem here, well, what I need is a customized CSS
 rule, not a regular one, it could be something like:
 .class1{
   -my-rule: my value;
 }

 and I want to access the -my-rule rule in javascript.
 In Internet Explore, I can manipulate that rule through
 element.currentStyle[my-rule] to get the value my value, and I need a
 similar approach in Firefox and Opera.


my workaround might not be the best approach, but i don't think i
was clear enough when explaining it.

let's say what you *want* to do is something like:

div class=wrapper

.wrapper {
background: #cc;
font-size: 1em;
text-align: center;
-my-ff-rule: something;
}


and what i'm saying you could do is:

div class=wrapper fix-ff

.wrapper {
background: #cc;
font-size: 1em;
text-align: center;
}

.fix-ff {
-my-ff-rule: something;
}

then toggle having that fix-ff class on the element.  it's not
exactly what you want, i already know that.  however, for lack of
anything better, you could try it at least.
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Re: [css-d] Is it possible to write custormized rules for firefox?

2006-08-01 Thread old9
Thanks for your replay, cj.

Well, I'm not doing a css fix for firefox here, I'm just trying to set a
*customized* css value( which is not included in the CSS spec, that's why I
use a dash prefix ) for special use in scripting.

That is, I'm trying to pass a string parameter to javascript through css.

Take the code you wrote for example, whether I'm writing the 
-my-ff-rule:something;  to the .wrapper block or to the .fix-ff block, I
just don't know how to access it trough Javascript, and tha's my very
problem.
the rule -my-ff-rule seems to be totally dropped if firefox, while in IE,
it is maintained in the DOM and I can find it in the currentStyle
collection.

Thanks



On 8/1/06, cj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 8/1/06, old9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hi cj, thanks for your reply.
 
  I think I'd represent my problem here, well, what I need is a customized
 CSS
  rule, not a regular one, it could be something like:
  .class1{
-my-rule: my value;
  }
 
  and I want to access the -my-rule rule in javascript.
  In Internet Explore, I can manipulate that rule through
  element.currentStyle[my-rule] to get the value my value, and I need
 a
  similar approach in Firefox and Opera.


 my workaround might not be the best approach, but i don't think i
 was clear enough when explaining it.

 let's say what you *want* to do is something like:

 div class=wrapper

 .wrapper {
 background: #cc;
 font-size: 1em;
 text-align: center;
 -my-ff-rule: something;
 }


 and what i'm saying you could do is:

 div class=wrapper fix-ff

 .wrapper {
 background: #cc;
 font-size: 1em;
 text-align: center;
 }

 .fix-ff {
 -my-ff-rule: something;
 }

 then toggle having that fix-ff class on the element.  it's not
 exactly what you want, i already know that.  however, for lack of
 anything better, you could try it at least.




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Re: [css-d] Is it possible to write custormized rules for firefox?

2006-08-01 Thread cj
i'm a bit slow, but i think i understand now.  :)  the only fresh idea
i can think of is to see if inline styles will work, but that won't be
very feasible if you are needing to change it in multiple places.


sorry i can't be of much help, and good luck.
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Re: [css-d] Is it possible to write custormized rules for firefox?

2006-08-01 Thread old9
What I'm doing now is to use the font-family property for passing the
string, because that's the only thing I can find that could contain
custormized strings. That's just a work around which is weird and dirty to
my point of view, so I'm asking for help here.
Refering to the inline style, yeah, that will lose flexibility somehow, and
I'd rather use a html rel property to do the task, as you might see, the
reason that I'm choosing css for passing the parameter is to separate the
presentation and structure.

Thanks for you kindness. :)

On 8/1/06, cj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i'm a bit slow, but i think i understand now.  :)  the only fresh idea
 i can think of is to see if inline styles will work, but that won't be
 very feasible if you are needing to change it in multiple places.


 sorry i can't be of much help, and good luck.




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Re: [css-d] SiteCheckPlease

2006-08-01 Thread Madison Bryan

I took your advice Tom and Scott...

http://www.westga.edu/~webgroup/design/code/

Does anybody see anymore issues?

Thanks,
Madison

On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Scott Sauyet wrote:

 Generally, I would suggest that your site not be so pixel-perfect  
 that one or two rescales destroys your look and feel.  I don't feel  
 that it's necessary for the layout to scale to an arbitrary size,  
 but one or two adjustments is probably a good idea.

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[css-d] Sliding doors - current

2006-08-01 Thread Eoin Maguire
Hi,

  I've successfully implemented a version of the sliding doors technique and
am now looking to add a 'current' selection that'll highlight the current
tab you're on.

I've looked on A List Apart and have tried their suggested code (setting the
background position, as per the hover state) but it doesn't seem to work.
Has anyone successfully got a 'current' state to work with sliding doors? If
so, how?

Thanks!

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[css-d] Font size of insanity

2006-08-01 Thread MarcLuzietti
I have a design where the fonts are set thusly:

body {
font:medium Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color:#3e87b7;
}
a, a:link, a:visited {
color:#c00;
text-decoration:none;
}
a:active {
color:#fcc;
}
a:hover {
text-decoration:underline;
}
.menu1 a:link, .menu1 a:visited {
 background:url(/SHF/resources/skins/koolBleu/images/buttonBackBlue.gif) 
repeat-x left top;
border-bottom:#6e7071 solid 1px;
border-right:#6e7071 solid 1px;
color:#fff;
display:block;
height:30px;
line-height:30px;
padding-left:.5em;
text-decoration:none;
width:9em;
}
.menu1 a:hover, .menu1 a:active, .menu1 a:focus {
 background:url(/SHF/resources/skins/koolBleu/images/buttonBackBlue.gif) 
repeat-x left top;
border-bottom:#6e7071 solid 1px;
border-right:#6e7071 solid 1px;
color:#fff;
display:block;
font-weight:bold;
height:30px;
line-height:30px;
padding-left:.5em;
text-decoration: none;
width:9em;
}
.menu2 a, .menu3 a {
border-bottom:#6e7071 solid 1px;
border-right:#6e7071 solid 1px;
display:block;
font-size:90%;
text-decoration:none;
width:9em;
}
.menu2 a:link, .menu2 a:visited, .menu3 a:link, .menu3 a:visited {
border:#fff solid 1px;
border-bottom:#6e7071 solid 1px;
border-right:#6e7071 solid 1px;
background-color:#ededed;
color:#3e87b7;
padding-left:.5em;
text-decoration: none;
}
.menu2 a:hover, .menu3 a:hover, .selected a, .selected a {
background-color:#fff;
border:#fff solid 1px;
color:#3e87b7;
padding-left:.5em;
text-decoration: none;
}
table.myLoan td {
border:1px #11173b solid;
color:#000;
font:normal xx-small Helvetica, Verdana, Arial, 
sans-serif;
padding:0 5px;
}
table.myLoan td a {
font:inherit;
text-decoration:none;
}
table.myLoan td a:hover {
text-decoration:underline;
}
table.myLoan th, table.myLoan th a {
background-color:#fff;
color:#000;
font:normal xx-small Helvetica, Verdana, Arial, 
sans-serif;
text-decoration:none;
}

If the user resizes the text in Internet Explorer and the window is a pop 
up and the user then mouses over or otherwise focuses a link, the link 
resizes to the original setting I have in the CSS -- *BUT* only after I've 
first moused over the menu2 CSS (see above). If the user selects the link, 
all the text on the page resizes (regardless of whether or not anyone's 
moused over menu2). If I hit Cntl-N and launch a new window, this doesn't 
happen. The user font-size change will carry over to the next page. 

I don't see anything in my CSS that would cause this. Am I missing 
something or is this some stupid IE6 bug?


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[css-d] Replace Text on Hover

2006-08-01 Thread Donna Pfledderer @ Virtual Business Connection
Hi!

I'm trying to replace Text of a button when the mouse is
hovering over it.

Is there a way to do this.

This is the site: http://www.jocoartistguild.com The button
I want the text to change is Businesses. I want it to change
to Businesses Support the Arts

This is the link to the css
http://www.jocoartistguild.com/CSS/style_joco.css

Thanks for any help!
Donna Light Pfledderer



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Re: [css-d] CSS External Links

2006-08-01 Thread Miha Hribar
Hi Joseph,

What about giving links that point outward a rel=external tag and
use DOM to attach a css class to them? Just a thought.

Miha Hribar
freelance web developer
web: www.hribar.info

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Za: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Zadeva: [css-d] CSS External Links

Hey all,

Does anyone know of a good way to style external links in CSS that
will visually separate them from internal links?

Thanks
Joe
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Re: [css-d] Sliding doors - current

2006-08-01 Thread Els
Eoin Maguire wrote:
 Hi,

  I've successfully implemented a version of the sliding doors
 technique and am now looking to add a 'current' selection
 that'll highlight the current tab you're on.

 I've looked on A List Apart and have tried their suggested
 code (setting the background position, as per the hover state)
 but it doesn't seem to work. Has anyone successfully got a
 'current' state to work with sliding doors? If so, how?

Just by adding the selector for the current class to the 
selectors for the hover state rules.
Be aware of specificity though - if you've set a:link and 
a:visited to a certain style, you'll also need a.current:link and 
a.current:visited instead of just a.current to overrule it.

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[css-d] More than one background image for a page

2006-08-01 Thread Bill Walton
My app collects visitor info via a set of screen forms and now I've got to 
print the collected info out so that it fits into the spaces, etc. on an 
existing paper form.  It's actually going to print (form and collected into) to 
a blank piece of paper most of the time, but it also needs to print just the 
collected info to a preprinted form.

My solution so far is to use a scanned image of the paper form as background.  
That way the user can turn on background printing if they're going to print to 
blank paper, or turn it off if they're going to print to a preprinted form.  
I'm positioning the text / images that are or represent the collected info via 
CSS (e.g., a check mark prints in a specific location on the page if they 
selected the 'yes' radio button for ' question 4' on the screen form).  I've 
got two stylesheets, one for 'screen' and the other for 'print'.  This solution 
is working ok for page one of the printed form.

Now I need to add page two of the printed form.  I would like to be able to 
print all the pages of the form with one print command.  But I don't seem to be 
able to add a second background image.

I've tried putting the images in two seperate divs (page1 and page2) in the 
stylesheet and then putting both divs on the page.  I can't get the second 
image to print.  I've tried combining the two images into one and then setting 
the page height in the print css to two pages high.  About the first page and a 
half of the image printed on the first page of output, no second page.

I'd sure appreciate it if someone would point me in a direction that might work.

Thanks,
Bill
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Re: [css-d] Replace Text on Hover

2006-08-01 Thread MarcLuzietti
Yes, but it's javascript, and thus OT. I'll reply again off-list

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Hi!

I'm trying to replace Text of a button when the mouse is
hovering over it.

Is there a way to do this.
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Re: [css-d] Replace Text on Hover

2006-08-01 Thread MarcLuzietti
My bad, I thought you meant a real button, not a text-link button. This is 
fairly easy to do. The HTML would be:

a href=/Businesses spanSupport the Arts/span/a


The the CSS would be:

a span {
display: hidden:
}

a:hover span {
display: inline;
}

You'll have to play with it to get it to work nice with your design.

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(305) 341-5624

Hi!

I'm trying to replace Text of a button when the mouse is
hovering over it.

Is there a way to do this.
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Re: [css-d] Replace Text on Hover

2006-08-01 Thread Nick morgan


 Hi!

 I'm trying to replace Text of a button when the mouse is
 hovering over it.

 Is there a way to do this.

 This is the site: http://www.jocoartistguild.com The button
 I want the text to change is Businesses. I want it to change
 to Businesses Support the Arts

 This is the link to the css
 http://www.jocoartistguild.com/CSS/style_joco.css

 Thanks for any help!
 Donna Light Pfledderer


Donna,

The only way that you could really change the text with CSS is if the Text  
is already there. Like this:

a href=yoururl.htmlspanBusiness/spanspan  
class=onhoverBusinesses Support the Arts/span/a

then css wise:

a:hover span {
display: none;
}

a:hover span.onhover {
display: inline;
}

That's really the only way you could do that for now with css unless the  
button has a background-image, which it is not at the moment. If you  
wanted to actually change the text in the DOM  you would do that with  
javascript. Note that when you do this since it isn't the same amount of  
text you will see the nav expand or cut off the extra text.



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Re: [css-d] Replace Text on Hover

2006-08-01 Thread Christian Montoya
On 8/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My bad, I thought you meant a real button, not a text-link button. This is
 fairly easy to do. The HTML would be:

 a href=/Businesses spanSupport the Arts/span/a


 The the CSS would be:

 a span {
 display: hidden:
 }

 a:hover span {
 display: inline;
 }

For this to work in IE, you will need a rule on the a:hover too,
something like:

a:hover { background:# same color as the page; }

will do.


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[css-d] Replace Text on Hover]

2006-08-01 Thread Bob Meetin
I used a variation of what Marc emailed on www.coalcreekcollision.com. I added 
.ltxt and .rtxt (specific to this site) to split the text display area of the 
menu so that the 'additional' right side text would line up and display in a 
different color. Also, .s and .l are also optional customizations.

/* alternate text */

a span.l { display: none; }
a:hover span.s { display: none; }
a:hover span.l { display: inline; }

.ltxt { 
 display: inline; 
 height: 0em; /* firefox? */
}

.rtxt {
 position: absolute; 
 left: 300px;
 color: #2b33a9;
}

.s b { color: tomato; font-weight: bold; }
.l b { color: blue; font-weight: bold; }


A menu item looks something like: 

div class=vnav
ul
  li
a href=index.php
  span class='s'b::/b Home/span
  span class='l'
span class=ltxtb::/b Home/span
span class=rtxtQuality - Integrity - Responsiveness/span
  /span
/a
  /li
/ul
/div

-

My bad, I thought you meant a real button, not a text-link button. This is 
fairly easy to do. The HTML would be:

a href=/Businesses spanSupport the Arts/span/a


The the CSS would be:

a span {
display: hidden:
}

a:hover span {
display: inline;
}

You'll have to play with it to get it to work nice with your design.
-- Marc Luzietti Hi! I'm trying to replace Text of a button when the 
mouse is hovering over it. Is there a way to do this.


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[css-d] Sitecheck gonzostore.com

2006-08-01 Thread AP Bejmuk
Hello,

www.hststore.com (or www.gonzostore.com)

Pure CSS layout.  I've tested it on browsercam.com and *i think* it
looks pretty good cross-browser.  The older Opera versions had major
problems, but the latest version works correctly.

Only layout bug I could see is that all versions of Mac Safari don't
display the green ad buttons on the top right.

I updated the center image (mechandise, the one with the cup) recently
and for some reason i'm getting problems rendering it correctly in IE.

Please poke around and look for bugs.

Thanks in advance!

-Pete Bejmuk
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[css-d] IE Send A Page

2006-08-01 Thread Mark Leder
Hi all,
 
Here's a new one that I've not come across before.  
 
I have site with linked css sheets for screen and print versions, which work
great.  A client came to me today and demonstrated that they use IE's File
| Send | Page by Email menu item to place a copy of the page inside Outlook
for sending via email to another party.  However, it turns my beautiful work
into trash.  Is there a way to call a separate style sheet when someone
executes this IE command (like what happens when someone prints), or am I
out of luck?  BTW: FF does not have this feature, only a link sending
action.
 
Thanks,
Mark
 
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Re: [css-d] More than one background image for a page

2006-08-01 Thread david
Bill Walton wrote:

 My app collects visitor info via a set of screen forms and now I've
 got to print the collected info out so that it fits into the spaces,
 etc. on an existing paper form.  It's actually going to print (form
 and collected into) to a blank piece of paper most of the time, but
 it also needs to print just the collected info to a preprinted form.
 
 My solution so far is to use a scanned image of the paper form as
 background.  That way the user can turn on background printing if
 they're going to print to blank paper, or turn it off if they're
 going to print to a preprinted form.  I'm positioning the text /
 images that are or represent the collected info via CSS (e.g., a
 check mark prints in a specific location on the page if they selected
 the 'yes' radio button for ' question 4' on the screen form).  I've
 got two stylesheets, one for 'screen' and the other for 'print'.
 This solution is working ok for page one of the printed form.
 
 Now I need to add page two of the printed form.  I would like to be
 able to print all the pages of the form with one print command.  But
 I don't seem to be able to add a second background image.
 
 I've tried putting the images in two seperate divs (page1 and page2)
 in the stylesheet and then putting both divs on the page.  I can't
 get the second image to print.  I've tried combining the two images
 into one and then setting the page height in the print css to two
 pages high.  About the first page and a half of the image printed on
 the first page of output, no second page.
 
 I'd sure appreciate it if someone would point me in a direction that
 might work.

Hmmm, how about having your server generate a PDF file on the fly and
serve that back to the visitor? I'm guessing that the point of all this
is to provide the visitor with a printable form which they then print
and sign for sending in via snail mail?

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[css-d] Looks better in IE than FF

2006-08-01 Thread Arthur Cundy
Hello All,

I have an ecommerce site that I am working on. In Firefox, it looks like only 
some of the styles are rendered. In Internet Explorer, it looks good.

Pages:

http://3elevencreative.com/clients/kleenhome/site/index.shtml
http://3elevencreative.com/clients/kleenhome/site/about_us.shtml
http://3elevencreative.com/clients/kleenhome/site/vitamins_herbs.shtml

Stylesheet:

http://3elevencreative.com/clients/kleenhome/site/css/kl_styles.css

Can someone please let me know what the issue is. It seems like it's something 
small; which makes it more irritating.

Thanks!


Best Regards,
 Arthur Cundy

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[css-d] Final link not working in IE

2006-08-01 Thread Denise
This problem is only occuring where there is a link as the last item in a
div.  In IE, the link is not correctly recognized as a link at all; it is
simply shown as text (although with the correct coloring as if it were a
link).

If I add 2 br /'s after the link, the IE renders the link correctly.

I am using one of the fixed footer methods that I found on the wiki and
don't know if this may be contributing to the problem.

Can someone give me a clue as to the real CSS problem that is preventing IE
from dealing with the link correctly?  (I'd rather not have to check all
200+ pages on the site again!)

A sample page can be found at
http://www.pepperlaw.com/pracarea/doverid/id_speaking.cfm.
It is a live site.  Notice the link that begins Return to Kitzmiller v.
...
The footer links work fine.

CSS file is http://www.pepperlaw.com/style_new.css.

Thanks,
Denise

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Re: [css-d] CSS External Links

2006-08-01 Thread Micky Hulse
Joseph Lorenzini wrote:
 Does anyone know of a good way to style external links in CSS that will
 visually separate them from internal links?

Found this on the net somewhere, maybe it will help:

/* All mailto links: */
a[href^=mailto:]:after {
content: url(mail.gif) !important;
padding: 0 0.2em;
}

/* Not using an image: */
a[href^=mailto:]:after {
font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif;
content: \0020 \2709 !important;
padding: 0 0.2em;
}

/* pdf links: */
a[href$=.pdf]:after {
content: url(icon_pdf.gif) !important;
padding: 0 0.2em;
}

/* For open in blank windows: */
a[target^=_]:after {
 content: url(newwindow.gif) !important;
 padding: 0 0.2em;
}

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Re: [css-d] Sitecheck gonzostore.com

2006-08-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
AP Bejmuk wrote:
 Hello,
 
 www.hststore.com (or www.gonzostore.com)
 
 Pure CSS layout.  I've tested it on browsercam.com and *i think* it 
 looks pretty good cross-browser.  The older Opera versions had major 
 problems, but the latest version works correctly.

Opera 7+  8+ have problems with your 'left: -999em' - creating a
scrollbar. The resulting value is simply too far off screen.
A more suitable, and stable, value would be 'left: -1px', which will
keep those drop-downs off screen even on screens that are more than
twice the width of /my/ screens (3840px).
Opera 9 has a wider off screen range, and handles it differently.

 Please poke around and look for bugs.

Validating front page:
HTML: 25 errors.
CSS: 4 (probably minor) errors.

Firefox, Opera  IE6 says about front page:
Mostly ok, but not well prepared for font-resizing or 'minimum font
size' / 'ignore font size...' in any of these browsers.
The page could do with some more text-information - alt-attributes
maybe, for those rare cases where images are not shown.

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Re: [css-d] Replace Text on Hover]

2006-08-01 Thread Christian Heilmann
 a span.l { display: none; }
 a:hover span.s { display: none; }
 a:hover span.l { display: inline; }

This will also make sure that users of assistive technology will never
get the extra information, which might be a desired output.

 div class=vnav
 ul
   li
 a href=index.php
   span class='s'b::/b Home/span
   span class='l'
 span class=ltxtb::/b Home/span
 span class=rtxtQuality - Integrity - Responsiveness/span
   /span
 /a
   /li
 /ul
 /div

This on the other hand will read COLON COLON Home which might not be
a desired impression to give.

Can we please stop treating HTML as CSS's servant? And while we're at
it, can we stop painting with HTML? B elements have no semantic value
and colons in text have a purpose  and are not a replacement for an
image. Without any CSS or a different CSS than the one applied this
markup results in a link called

:: Home :: HomeQuality - Integrity - Responsiveness

which is actually rather ironic.

You simply cannot expect all users to see your site and they HAVE to
rely on your HTML and your text! Everybody is bitching about web sites
that need JavaScript to make sense, but web sites that don't make much
sense without CSS are not a bit better.

If you want fancy rollover text that extends the normal link text,
there is a perfectly valid HTML attribute for that: title.

a href=index.html title=Businesses Support the ArtsBusinesses/a

If you consider the hover tooltip browsers generate from title
attributes too boring, use some JavaScript to spice it up:
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/container/tooltip.html
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/container/tooltip/index.html

I always thought going from tables and fonts to CSS is a step away
from tagsoup towards clean and maintainable sites. The belief that all
CSS solutions for behaviour are superior to JavaScript for these fancy
add-ons seems to lead to more and more examples that throws us back to
1999 in terms of HTML quality.

There are JavaScripts out there that help you achieve all this, keep
the look and feel in CSS classes that get applied and work with
semantically valuable HTML instead of requiring a lot of extra and
nonsensical elements. In a lot of cases the functionality that comes
out of it will also be more accessible, as you can test for keyboard
access in JavaScript and you can check if a popup fits on the screen
without causing scrollbars, something you can't do in CSS.

Sorry if that came across as a rant and maybe off-topic but I do get
the feeling we are running in circles.
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[css-d] list line wrap

2006-08-01 Thread xhu1
Hi,

I am using li with a bull; in the bengining of each
line of text. How can I make sure if the line is too
long, after the line wrap the second line stays behind
the bullet, not under the bullet?

Thanks

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[css-d] IE Win simulation?

2006-08-01 Thread Ric Glass
Hello,

I develop in a Mac environment and have been testing in the Win  
platform by way of transferring files to a non-networked PC using a CD.
Does anyone know of any s/w that might render just like Win IE 5  6?  
What do all you Apple developers do? I am trying to avoid my Win  
machine having any contact with the internet so as to avoid the many  
problems I left behind years ago.

Thanks in advance,

Ric Glass
Greenleaf Graphics
www.greenleafgraphics.com
PO Box 15
Palm Beach FL 33480-0015
voice: 561-523-2427
fax: 561-433-1367


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Re: [css-d] Looks better in IE than FF

2006-08-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Arthur Cundy wrote:

 I have an ecommerce site that I am working on. In Firefox, it looks 
 like only some of the styles are rendered. In Internet Explorer, it 
 looks good.

 http://3elevencreative.com/clients/kleenhome/site/index.shtml

I think Firefox' error recovery works quite well :-)

(X)HTML: 14 errors, some of which may be fatal in a standard-compliant
browser. In short: that's not XHTML, and not even proper HTML.
CSS: definitely not looking good.
Clean-up urgently needed.

IE6 is running in quirks mode' because of its 'xml declaration' bug, so
some differences are to be expected since other browsers are running in
'standard compliant mode'.

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Re: [css-d] list line wrap

2006-08-01 Thread cj
are you not using the list-style-image?  it sounds as if your bullet
picture is part of your actual html instead of a background image.
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Re: [css-d] list line wrap

2006-08-01 Thread Els
xhu1 wrote:
 Hi,

 I am using li with a bull; in the bengining of each
 line of text. How can I make sure if the line is too
 long, after the line wrap the second line stays behind
 the bullet, not under the bullet?

Give the li a left-padding of the desired width, and then 
negative indent of the same width.
This assumes you know the exact width of the bull; plus space 
though.
Why not make the bull; an image and apply it in CSS by 
list-style-image:url(bullet.jpg); ?

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Re: [css-d] list line wrap

2006-08-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
xhu1 wrote:
 I am using li with a bull; in the bengining of each line of text.
 How can I make sure if the line is too long, after the line wrap the
 second line stays behind the bullet, not under the bullet?

Text-indent may work.

Better to use the proper 'list-style-type'[1] and
'list-style-position'[2], as that will keep it all lined up properly.

Georg

[1]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#propdef-list-style-type
[2]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#propdef-list-style-position
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[css-d] FW: IE Send A Page

2006-08-01 Thread Mark Leder
I wish that were a response I could provide to the client - they've been
doing it this way for years (and because IE provides it, it must be OK :o/
).  Now that I'm repurposing the site, some of the stuff breaks.  I already
provide a psuedo-tinyurl links at the bottom of each page from my CMS.  And
since 90% of the business world unfortunately uses IE, I have to make some
accomodation.


Thanks,
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Mike Dougherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:54 PM
To: Mark Leder
Subject: Re: [css-d] IE Send A Page

It sounds to me like Firefox has it correct - there is no reason I would
ever want a page of html in my email when that content lives on a web
server.  If the argument is that it enables people to send intranet pages
via email, then I ask why violate security methodology when you could just
make the intranet publically accessible and call it an extranet (or some
other buzzword)

I would try to convince principle parties involved that if they are trying
to send an as is 
experience, they should print to a pdf driver and send it as an
attachment.  (but then you get the job of automating that too, right?)

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:15:52 -0400
  Mark Leder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have site with linked css sheets for screen and print versions, 
 which work great.  A client came to me today and demonstrated that 
 they use IE's File
 | Send | Page by Email menu item to place a copy of the page inside 
 | Outlook
 for sending via email to another party.  However, it turns my 
 beautiful work into trash.  Is there a way to call a separate style 
 sheet when someone executes this IE command (like what happens when 
 someone prints), or am I out of luck?  BTW: FF does not have this 
 feature, only a link sending action.

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Re: [css-d] list line wrap

2006-08-01 Thread Christian Heilmann
  I am using li with a bull; in the bengining of each
  line of text. How can I make sure if the line is too
  long, after the line wrap the second line stays behind
  the bullet, not under the bullet?

 Give the li a left-padding of the desired width, and then
 negative indent of the same width.
 This assumes you know the exact width of the bull; plus space
 though.
 Why not make the bull; an image and apply it in CSS by
 list-style-image:url(bullet.jpg); ?

Because list-style-image doesn't work properly cross-browser.
Background image and padding does though:
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/vertical05.htm


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Re: [css-d] list line wrap

2006-08-01 Thread MarcLuzietti
You can't across all browsers if you insist on using bull;. Instead use 
an unordered list and then use list-style to set the type of bullet you'd 
like to use. 

If you don't care about maximum visibility across different browsers, you 
could use the :first-letter or :first-line pseudo elements and given them 
a negative margin, i.e.,
li:first-letter {
margin-left:-1em;
}

I don't recommend that.

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Hi,

I am using li with a bull; in the bengining of each
line of text. How can I make sure if the line is too
long, after the line wrap the second line stays behind
the bullet, not under the bullet?

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Re: [css-d] list line wrap

2006-08-01 Thread Nick morgan

  I am using li with a bull; in the bengining of each
  line of text. How can I make sure if the line is too
  long, after the line wrap the second line stays behind
  the bullet, not under the bullet?

 Give the li a left-padding of the desired width, and then
 negative indent of the same width.
 This assumes you know the exact width of the bull; plus space
 though.
 Why not make the bull; an image and apply it in CSS by
 list-style-image:url(bullet.jpg); ?

 Because list-style-image doesn't work properly cross-browser.
 Background image and padding does though:
 http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/vertical05.htm



For the most part I agree with using background image for control but if  
you have any floated block to the left of the list, list-style image is  
going to give you the best result.( or in this case the bull;)

If you really want to use bull; then put that in the li, set  
list-style-position to inside, and put a negative text indent on the li.  
use the margin and padding of the ul to get the correct spacing from other  
elements.

For more info look up taming lists at A List Apart.

Nick


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[css-d] Site check in IE6

2006-08-01 Thread Craig Palenshus
Hello all,

There are some strange behaviors in my site in IE6 that are driving me nuts.
The main problem is that when scrolling down the pages with a lot of text,
the text gets screwed up ... it starts disappearing! It is there, but I have
to either refresh the page or select the invisible text with my mouse in
order to get it to reappear.

Here are a couple pages that really suffer from the problem:
http://lakequincy.com/Privacy.aspx
http://lakequincy.com/Advertisers/MediaKit.aspx

(if you don't notice it happening right away, scroll up and down a little,
you'll see it.)

I'm thinking this HAS to be related to the styles I've used. The site
displays beautifully in FF. Any ideas why IE's display is messed up and how
I can fix it?

Thanks,
Craig

P.S. This behavior happens in IE7b2, too, but not quite as frequently.
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Re: [css-d] IE Win simulation?

2006-08-01 Thread David McFarland

On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:27 PM, Ric Glass wrote:

 HI develop in a Mac environment and have been testing in the Win
 platform by way of transferring files to a non-networked PC using a  
 CD.
 Does anyone know of any s/w that might render just like Win IE 5  6?
 What do all you Apple developers do? I am trying to avoid my Win
 machine having any contact with the internet so as to avoid the many
 problems I left behind years ago.


You can try Virtual PC if you're on a non-intel Mac. It's now free,  
though you do need to buy a copy of windows: http://www.microsoft.com/ 
windows/virtualpc/default.mspx

On an Intel Mac, get a copy of Parallels Desktop and a copy of  
Windows. I use it, and wrote a short blog post on the topic including  
a video of the two OSes running side by side on my Mac Book Pro:  
http://www.sawmac.com/etc/2006/07/13/the-ultimate-web-development- 
machine/

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Re: [css-d] IE Win simulation?

2006-08-01 Thread Nick morgan
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:27:07 -0400, Ric Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 I develop in a Mac environment and have been testing in the Win
 platform by way of transferring files to a non-networked PC using a CD.
 Does anyone know of any s/w that might render just like Win IE 5  6?
 What do all you Apple developers do? I am trying to avoid my Win
 machine having any contact with the internet so as to avoid the many
 problems I left behind years ago.

 Thanks in advance,

 Ric Glass
 Greenleaf Graphics
 www.greenleafgraphics.com
 PO Box 15
 Palm Beach FL 33480-0015
 voice: 561-523-2427
 fax: 561-433-1367

Ric,

If you can hook the computer to your local lan if you have one and remote  
desktop in.  Microsoft has a remote desktop client for OS X that works  
rather well.  If your Mac is connected directly to the web and then also  
to the network just don't share the internet connection to the network.

If you have a new intel mac there are a host of other solutions. (e.g.  
Parallels)

But this is not really a topic for the list.

Nick

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[css-d] Trouble with list left margin

2006-08-01 Thread Travis Killen
I am trying to style a menu with rounded corners.  My menu is a ordered 
list, but list elements are indented.  There is also a gap between the 
block level h3 element and the list elements that I can't seem to close.

http://oit.sfasu.edu/test/frame2.html


Thank you,
Travis Killen

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Re: [css-d] FOLLOWUP: css-d post - verify receipt?

2006-08-01 Thread Eric A. Meyer
At 7:28 AM -0400 8/1/06, Joe D'Andrea wrote:

Hello again! An interesting update: First, I found the message I sent!

I got it via normal list delivery, so I'd say that the list members got it.

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Re: [css-d] More than one background image for a page

2006-08-01 Thread Bill Walton
Hi David,

david wrote:

 Bill Walton wrote:

 My solution so far is to use a scanned image of the paper form as
 background.  That way the user can turn on background printing if
 they're going to print to blank paper, or turn it off if they're
 going to print to a preprinted form.

 This solution is working ok for page one of the printed form.

 Now I need to add page two of the printed form.  I would like to be
 able to print all the pages of the form with one print command.  But
 I don't seem to be able to add a second background image.

 Hmmm, how about having your server generate a PDF file on the fly
 and serve that back to the visitor? I'm guessing that the point of all 
 this
 is to provide the visitor with a printable form which they then print
 and sign snip?

Yes, at least this part of the saga is about printing ;-)

Putting it in a PDF would make it possible to do a multi-page print.  That's 
goodness.  On the other hand, it could add additional steps and some 
additional wait time for the visitor, and to satisfy the requirement to 
print the laid-out content with or without the background form it seems like 
I'd have to add a step where the visitor explicitly states how they want to 
lay it out, or just generate and send 2 PDF's, or generate and send one PDF 
with double the number of pages.  I'd really like to be able to just select 
'Print' from the browser's File menu.

Is there not a way to use CSS to position two large background images such 
that they'll print on seperate pages?

Thanks,
Bill 

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Re: [css-d] Replace Text on Hover

2006-08-01 Thread Dave Pierce
Donna Demurely Delineated:

 I'm trying to replace Text of a button when the mouse is
 hovering over it.

 Is there a way to do this.

Donna,

Maybe you could try this:

  a: span {
text-indent:-3000 px;
}

a:hover span {
text-indent: 0;
display: block;
height: 20px;
text-align: center;
font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
}

I'm kinda new at this, but this is a starting point...maybe the uber- 
experts can complete it better than I. It's based on an image  
replacement method.
For my own knowledge search, whaddaya think, experts?

Dave Pierce


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Re: [css-d] FOLLOWUP: css-d post - verify receipt?

2006-08-01 Thread Eric A. Meyer
At 4:25 PM -0400 8/1/06, Eric A. Meyer wrote...

...a message meant to be sent in private in response to an inquiry 
sent to the administrator address.  And then, idiotically, he cc:ed 
it to the whole list instead of the administrator.
I'd blame the heat (today's heat index is currently 108F/42C) but 
the truth is I just didn't pay attention to what I was doing.  My 
apologies to everyone for both the original mistaken post and for 
this followup (which I'm only posting to forestall any other 
followups).

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Re: [css-d] IE Win simulation?

2006-08-01 Thread Jan Brasna
Not really CSS-related, but:

G4/G5: VirtualPC, Q, (VLC)
Intel: Q, Paralells, BootCamp, (VLC)

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[css-d] No style applied to an A that lacks an HREF... Why?

2006-08-01 Thread Dean Champeau
Hello.

I have a series of buttons that I've styled with CCS using a:hover  
and I'm having a problem...

Most of the buttons are just ordinary a href... markup that links  
to other HTML pages, but one of buttons needs to open a PDF file in a  
separate window. I originally used...

a href=blahblah target=blank

for my markup, but there was an issue with IE opening the file in a  
new window but then immediately minimizing the window, for whatever  
reason. So I decided to use an onclick script to open the file  
instead. Now IE opens the file in a new window correctly, but  
my :hover styling doesn't work anymore for that particular button.  
It's almost as if IE doesn't look for a style unless there's an  
href attribute associated with the a element.

Anybody have a clue what's going on? BTW, Safari on Mac applies  
the :hover style as expected.

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Re: [css-d] No style applied to an A that lacks an HREF... Why?

2006-08-01 Thread Mike Botsko
If you have a blank or # href, IE assumes that it's a link to the current page 
and sees it as a visited link, which means it's only going to use the a.visited 
attribute.

-Original Message-
..
It's almost as if IE doesn't look for a style unless there's an  
href attribute associated with the a element.

Anybody have a clue what's going on? BTW, Safari on Mac applies  
the :hover style as expected.

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[css-d] Nice Titles and Image Annotation

2006-08-01 Thread Yazmin Media
I think someone was kind enough to point me in this direction on the
list...to use Nice Titles (http://kryogenix.org/code/browser/nicetitle/). I
also paired that up with Image Annotation (
http://kryogenix.org/code/browser/annimg/annimg.html) in hopes of coming up
with a solution to reduce the amount of image slicing I have to do for
camera reviews. Reading the information for both solutions, it says that
they can be combined and so I combined them:

http://yazminmedia.com/playground/hover/hover2.htm
http://yazminmedia.com/playground/hover/nicetitle.css
http://yazminmedia.com/playground/hover/annimg.css

However, if you look at the page, I'm having a problem with the hover
outline. When I hover on the border of a highlighted area, I can see my
tooltip. Once I move to the inside of the highlighted area, the tooltip
disappears, requiring precision and knowing that you must hover on the
outline in order to see the information on what you are looking at.

I am really at a loss and am sure this is an issue with the CSS. Can anyone
take a look at the code and see what the issue might be?

Thanks!
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[css-d] Page check

2006-08-01 Thread Ian Young
Using this one page as teaser for client's group of websites. I have used
position:absolute to locate the copy at bottom right of picture.

Looks ok in FF, IE and Opera but would appreciate if could be checked at
800x600, Safari etc.

Thank in anticipation.

Ian
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Re: [css-d] Page check

2006-08-01 Thread Ian Young





  Using this one page as teaser for client's group of websites. I have used
position:absolute to locate the copy at bottom right of picture.

  Looks ok in FF, IE and Opera but would appreciate if could be checked at
800x600, Safari etc.

  Thank in anticipation.

  Ian

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Re: [css-d] Site check in IE6

2006-08-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Craig Palenshus wrote:
 There are some strange behaviors in my site in IE6 that are driving 
 me nuts. The main problem is that when scrolling down the pages with 
 a lot of text, the text gets screwed up ... it starts disappearing!

 http://lakequincy.com/Privacy.aspx 
 http://lakequincy.com/Advertisers/MediaKit.aspx

 I'm thinking this HAS to be related to the styles I've used. The site
  displays beautifully in FF. Any ideas why IE's display is messed up 
 and how I can fix it?

Nothing wrong with your styles (in this respect), but there's definitely
something wrong with IE/win (all versions) :-)
It needs a well-placed 'hasLayout'[1] trigger.

Adding...
.mainBoxMiddle {height: 1%;}
...will do on the first page, I didn't check the second one.

Plenty of other wrongs in that page though.
HTML: 11 errors.
CSS: a couple of errors.
Better have a round-trip to the W3C validator(s) and fix things a bit.

regards
Georg

[1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
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Re: [css-d] More than one background image for a page

2006-08-01 Thread david
Bill Walton wrote:

 Is there not a way to use CSS to position two large background images such 
 that they'll print on seperate pages?

Only if the visitor has set their browser to print background images -
that's step one. I don't know about controlling multi-page printing with
CSS - my only encounter with such was some horrible HTML produced by MS
Publisher that attempted to force things onto separate pages by putting 
them in big DIVs sized to fit only on a sheet of paper. The results 
didn't work on screen in anything except IE, and weren't particularly 
successful in printing, either. That was maybe two years ago, though, 
and the problems could have been due to Publisher's junk HTML - maybe 
something cleaner would work now? But I still think you'd have to move 
your background graphic into the HTML to get it to print reliably.

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Re: [css-d] Site check in IE6

2006-08-01 Thread Brian Funk
Quoting Craig Palenshus [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 There are some strange behaviors in my site in IE6

Really! How shocking! ;-)

 the text gets screwed up ... it starts disappearing!

 Here are a couple pages that really suffer from the problem:
 http://lakequincy.com/Privacy.aspx
 http://lakequincy.com/Advertisers/MediaKit.aspx

The Peek-a-boo disease and the antidote is detailed on P.I.E.

http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html

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Re: [css-d] Page check

2006-08-01 Thread David Laakso
Ian Young wrote:
   Using this one page as teaser for client's group of websites. I have used
 position:absolute to locate the copy at bottom right of picture.

   Looks ok in FF, IE and Opera but would appreciate if could be checked at
 800x600, Safari etc.

   Thank in anticipation.

   Ian

Sorry, forgot link:
   http://www.iyesolutions.co.uk/templates/fishings/test-3.html

   
I don't think that's going to work for you-- at least not the way you 
intend. Not everyone has their screen resolution set at 1024.
20 captures:
http://www.iyesolutions.co.uk/templates/fishings/test-3.html
Best,
~dL
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Re: [css-d] Nice Titles and Image Annotation

2006-08-01 Thread Yazmin Media
Thanks Silvester. I have tried to contact the author (same person wrote both
scripts) and have discussed it with him, but he has not been able to clear
time to revisit the issues, so I am at a loss there.

You're right. I should take the time to rewrite the script, but at the
moment it is not time I have. I may just have to chuck this as a solution
and go with something with less wow factor to get this done and move on.

Thank you for your reply.

Yazmin
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Re: [css-d] Page check

2006-08-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ian Young wrote:
 http://www.iyesolutions.co.uk/templates/fishings/test-3.html

Using absolute positioning is fine, but you're positioning and
dimensioning relative to the wrong object - and the wrong way around.
No font-resizing calculated in either, which makes it pretty unreliable.

This might give you some ideas...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/test_5390.html
...and it can handle almost all user-options any browser can throw at
it. It will also line up well down to 700 in width, and below if you
need it to.

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Re: [css-d] Sitecheck gonzostore.com

2006-08-01 Thread Lisa Ellington
Hi Pete,

Looking at it in Safari...it seems the green 'ad buttons' are below  
the large image?
At least that's how its drawing in Safari. As the page came up, the  
ad buttons were
visible and then were 'covered' by the masthead. Strange. If anyone  
knows why this
happened, I'd love to know for future reference.

Lisa



On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:11 PM, AP Bejmuk wrote:

 Hello,

 www.hststore.com (or www.gonzostore.com)

 Pure CSS layout.  I've tested it on browsercam.com and *i think* it
 looks pretty good cross-browser.  The older Opera versions had major
 problems, but the latest version works correctly.

 Only layout bug I could see is that all versions of Mac Safari don't
 display the green ad buttons on the top right.

 I updated the center image (mechandise, the one with the cup) recently
 and for some reason i'm getting problems rendering it correctly in IE.

 Please poke around and look for bugs.

 Thanks in advance!

 -Pete Bejmuk
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