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[Lloyd (Casey) Wade-Shields]

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From: flw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 3:09 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Frankenstein Food


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>I am starting to lose my appetite.
>
>First "growth hormone" milk.
>
>Next "terminator" sterile crop seeds.
>
>Now "frankenstein" foods. What's next?
>
>Genetically engineered salmon(ella)?
>flw
>
>
> Electronic Telegraph
>
>ISSUE 1358 Friday 12 February 1999
>
>
>  Alarm over 'Frankenstein' foods
>By Polly Newton David Brown and Charles Clover
>
>Biological Effects of Plant Lectins on the
>Gastrointestinal Tract: Metabolic Consequences and
>Applications - Pusztai A and Bardocz S
>
>
> Thorkild's main page on the Pusztai case - Prof
>Thorkild Bog-Hansen [in support of Dr Pusztai]
>
>
> English Nature criticises presentation of House
>of Lords report [22 Jan '99] - English Nature
>
>
> English Nature
>
>
> Friends of the Earth supports Tory GM moratorium
>call [3 Feb '99] - Friends of the Earth
>
>
> Advisory Committee on Releases to the
>Environment - Department of the Environment,
>Transport and the Regions
>
>
> News releases - Cabinet Office
>
>
>
>  A SCIENTIST who was condemned for saying that
>genetically modified foods could damage human
>health was backed last night by 20 scientists from
>around the world.
>Jack Cunningham, the Cabinet "enforcer", promised
>that the Government would look "very thoroughly
>and very quickly" into the new claims about the
>effects of so-called "Frankenstein foods".
>The scientist, Dr Arpad Pusztai, was forced out of
>his job at the Government-funded Rowett research
>institute in Aberdeen last August when he said
>that rats had suffered a reduction in brain size,
>liver damage and a weakening of their immune
>system after being fed GM potatoes for only 10
>days. The development of the animals' kidney,
>thymus, spleen and gut was also affected.
>Dr Pusztai told Granada TV's World in Action that
>he would not eat GM food. He said he found it
>"very, very unfair to use our fellow citizens as
>guinea pigs".
>At the time, the institute described the results
>of Dr Pusztai's experiments as "very confused".
>The head of the institute, Prof Philip James, is
>the man behind the Government's proposals for a
>food standards agency and has been tipped as a
>leading candidate for its top job.
>Vyvyan Howard, one of the scientists who is
>backing Dr Pusztai, told BBC's Newsnight last
>night: "We find that his data are sound. We think
>it would pass peer review and be published and we
>are at a loss to explain why the Rowett institute
>came to the conclusion it did." Mr Howard, a
>toxipathologist at Liverpool University, said that
>the scientists from various countries who reviewed
>Dr Pusztai's work included specialists in genetic
>engineering and in medicine.
>A Scottish Office immunologist is reported to have
>approved the methods used by Dr Pusztai's team.
>Recent research on the same rats by Dr Stanley
>Ewen, a senior pathologist at Aberdeen University
>medical school, is also understood to validate Dr
>Pusztai's preliminary findings and suggest new
>possible health risks.
>Dr Ewen found that rats fed the GM potatoes used
>in Dr Pusztai's experiments suffered from an
>enlarged stomach wall and an elongation of a
>section of the stomach after 10 days of feeding
>trials. Mr Cunningham, who as Minister of
>Agriculture banned beef on the bone, told
>Newsnight that it would be "very surprising" if Dr
>Pusztai's work were "suddenly validated by another
>set of experiments".
>But he said: "We shall certainly examine it very
>thoroughly and very quickly. We want to be aware
>of any new work and any new developments in what
>is a fast developing field."
>Asked if he believed that GM foods were safe, Mr
>Cunningham said: "I think they can be safe. They
>have of course got to be thoroughly examined and
>properly licensed before they can ever be either
>grown or produced or brought into the food chain."
>Last night Paul Tyler, the Liberal Democrat food
>spokesman, said he would ask the Commons
>agriculture select committee to investigate the
>affair. "These are not scaremongering amateurs but
>the premier Government research team in this
>field," he said. "Confusion over the original
>significance of these findings meant that the huge
>companies involved in genetic engineering were
>able to dismiss them as misleading. "Now the
>reputation of Dr Pusztai is being reinstated and
>it is the novel foods which are back in the dock."
>The Government's handling of the affair had been
>criticised earlier in the day when Mr Cunningham
>was accused of misleading MPs into believing that
>its official wildlife advisers had not recommended
>a three-year ban on GM crops.
>Lady Young, chairman of English Nature, wrote to
>Tony Blair saying her organisation had called for
>a moratorium on all herbicide-tolerant and
>insect-resistant crops so that research could be
>carried out into t

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[Teo One Thousand]

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In a message dated 2/11/99 2:37:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<< So, this is what I have to say to you, "PROVE IT!"  Prove it in a court of
 law!  Prove it during in a hearing!  Prove it in an impeachment trial!  If
you
 can't prove it, stop asserting these allegations as fact.  Or better yet,
just
 shaddup already!"

 Having said that, I do agree with you about GW being a bigger threat than
 other candidates should he make it to the WH.  He scares the bejeezus out of
 me.

 Samantha >>

You illustrate my point so well.  So ready to believe anything bad about Bush
but so unwilling to believe anything bad about Clinton, with no evidence for
or against.  You do realize that don't you?
Teo1000

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[Ric Carter]

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subject: AANEWS for February 11, 1999

 A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
 AANEWS
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  In This Issue...

   * Falwell: beware Telletubbies, antichrist
   * Many agree with Falwell's views on Armageddon
   * American Atheist Press Release on Falwell
   * American Atheists National Convention, April 2-4, 1999
   * Vatican to intervene on behalf of ex-dictator Pinochet?
   * American Atheist Magazine poll
   * Resources
   * About this list...

  LOST IN SPACE: THE WILD, WACKY WORLD OF JERRY FALWELL
>From the Antichrist to Gay "Teletubbies," the TV Evangelist Warns the
Flock

   He's at it again.

Just one week after apologizing for remarks that many considered to be
bigoted and anti-Semitic, evangelist Jerry Falwell has now suggested
that a popular children's character, Tinky Winky, is gay and thus
"damaging to the moral lives of children."  Tinky Winky is one of the
popular "Teletubbies," amorphous characters on a popular British-made
children's television show which premiered in 1997 and has become a
smash hit for PBS.  The characters have inspired a burst of
promotional tie-ins including doll sets which are scheduled for
release next month.  In addition to Tinky Winky, there's Po, LaLa and
Dipsy who are rounded yellow, green and red characters with
televisions sets in their tummies and squiggly antennae on their
heads.

What seems to distinguish Tinky Winky, though -- and outrages Rev.
Falwell -- is his purple color and the fact that his antenna is in the
shape of a triangle.  Get it?

Falwell's remarks appeared in his National Liberty Journal earlier
this month.  Describing the Tinky Winky character, it noted: "He is
purple -- the gay-pride color;and his antenna is shaped like a
triangle -- the gay-pride symbol."  The article then went on to
describe a Washington Post editorial that depicted Tinky's photo
"opposite that of Ellen DeGeneres in an 'In/Out' column.  This implies
that Ellen is 'out' as the chief national gay representative, while
Tinky Winky is the trendy 'in' celebrity."

Tinky has also been seen carrying a "purse," claimed Falwell's
publication.  In addition, the Teletubbies hero has the voice of a boy
"and has become a favorite character among gay groups worldwide..."

"These subtle depictions are no doubt intentional and parents are
warned to be alert to these elements in the series," concluded the
Journal.

The remarks have rocketed Falwell back into the headlines, provided
news writers with a cornucopia of biting remarks, and left a spokesman
for Itsy Bitsy Entertainment Co., the firm which licenses the
Teletubbies in America, astounded.  Steven Rice told reporters
yesterday that the Tinky Winky character carries a "magic bag" and
that does not "make him gay."

"It's a children's show, folks.  To think we would be putting sexual
innuendo in a children's show is kind of outlandish," he added.  Rice
also charged that Falwell was targeting "something sweet and innocent"
in order to further his conservative political agenda.  "To out a
Teletubby in a preschool show is kind of sad on his part.  I really
find it absurd and kind of offensive."

Falwell's war on the Teletubby character, though, is part of a larger
campaign that he and his organizations have waged against homosexuals
for nearly twenty year.  Gays and gay rights were a major focus for
the preacher when he founded his Moral Majority organization in 1980.
And in 1997, Falwell continued his battle against homosexuals in the
media when he pressured General Motors, Chrysler and Johnson & Johnson
to withdraw sponsorship from an episode of the "Ellen" show where the
lead character -- comedian and actress Ellen DeGeneres -- announced
that she was a lesbian."

   Understanding Falwell's "Teletubbies" P
To most rational folks, Rev.  Falwell's claim that the Tinky Winky
character somehow embodies homosexuality and is a threat to youngsters
is absurd, even paranoid.  To Falwell and many of his religious right
supporters, however, it makes perfect sense.  Convinced that there is
a wide spread "homosexual agenda" at work in America -- especially one
which intends to condition or "convert" young people from a natural
heterosexual disposition into homosexuality -- the flimsiest forms of
evidence can become compelling.  The more outlandish the "evidence"
is, the more sinister the plot.  In a larger context, it typifies what
historian Richard Hofstrader termed "the paranoid style in American
politics."  This includes demonization of opponents (real and
imagined) by adding a supernatural dimension of evil to their deeds;
predisposition to believe 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: re; AANEWS for Thursday, February 11, 1999

[Lloyd (Casey) Wade-Shields]

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I have asked 1000 times please take me off this list
-Original Message-
From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 7:08 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Fw: re; AANEWS for Thursday, February 11, 1999


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
>subject: AANEWS for February 11, 1999
>
> A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
> AANEWS
>  #525 ~~ 2/11/99
>http://www.atheists.org
>   ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/
> http://www.americanatheist.org
>
>-
>   A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS
>   "For Reason and the First Amendment"
>--
>
>  In This Issue...
>
>   * Falwell: beware Telletubbies, antichrist
>   * Many agree with Falwell's views on Armageddon
>   * American Atheist Press Release on Falwell
>   * American Atheists National Convention, April 2-4, 1999
>   * Vatican to intervene on behalf of ex-dictator Pinochet?
>   * American Atheist Magazine poll
>   * Resources
>   * About this list...
>
>  LOST IN SPACE: THE WILD, WACKY WORLD OF JERRY FALWELL
>>From the Antichrist to Gay "Teletubbies," the TV Evangelist Warns the
>Flock
>
>   He's at it again.
>
>Just one week after apologizing for remarks that many considered to be
>bigoted and anti-Semitic, evangelist Jerry Falwell has now suggested
>that a popular children's character, Tinky Winky, is gay and thus
>"damaging to the moral lives of children."  Tinky Winky is one of the
>popular "Teletubbies," amorphous characters on a popular British-made
>children's television show which premiered in 1997 and has become a
>smash hit for PBS.  The characters have inspired a burst of
>promotional tie-ins including doll sets which are scheduled for
>release next month.  In addition to Tinky Winky, there's Po, LaLa and
>Dipsy who are rounded yellow, green and red characters with
>televisions sets in their tummies and squiggly antennae on their
>heads.
>
>What seems to distinguish Tinky Winky, though -- and outrages Rev.
>Falwell -- is his purple color and the fact that his antenna is in the
>shape of a triangle.  Get it?
>
>Falwell's remarks appeared in his National Liberty Journal earlier
>this month.  Describing the Tinky Winky character, it noted: "He is
>purple -- the gay-pride color;and his antenna is shaped like a
>triangle -- the gay-pride symbol."  The article then went on to
>describe a Washington Post editorial that depicted Tinky's photo
>"opposite that of Ellen DeGeneres in an 'In/Out' column.  This implies
>that Ellen is 'out' as the chief national gay representative, while
>Tinky Winky is the trendy 'in' celebrity."
>
>Tinky has also been seen carrying a "purse," claimed Falwell's
>publication.  In addition, the Teletubbies hero has the voice of a boy
>"and has become a favorite character among gay groups worldwide..."
>
>"These subtle depictions are no doubt intentional and parents are
>warned to be alert to these elements in the series," concluded the
>Journal.
>
>The remarks have rocketed Falwell back into the headlines, provided
>news writers with a cornucopia of biting remarks, and left a spokesman
>for Itsy Bitsy Entertainment Co., the firm which licenses the
>Teletubbies in America, astounded.  Steven Rice told reporters
>yesterday that the Tinky Winky character carries a "magic bag" and
>that does not "make him gay."
>
>"It's a children's show, folks.  To think we would be putting sexual
>innuendo in a children's show is kind of outlandish," he added.  Rice
>also charged that Falwell was targeting "something sweet and innocent"
>in order to further his conservative political agenda.  "To out a
>Teletubby in a preschool show is kind of sad on his part.  I really
>find it absurd and kind of offensive."
>
>Falwell's war on the Teletubby character, though, is part of a larger
>campaign that he and his organizations have waged against homosexuals
>for nearly twenty year.  Gays and gay rights were a major focus for
>the preacher when he founded his Moral Majority organization in 1980.
>And in 1997, Falwell continued his battle against homosexuals in the
>media when he pressured General Motors, Chrysler and Johnson & Johnson
>to withdraw sponsorship from an episode of the "Ellen" show where the
>lead character -- comedian and actress Ellen DeGeneres -- announced
>that she was a lesbian."
>
>   Understanding Falwell's "Teletubbies" P
>To most rational folks, Rev.  Falwell's claim that the Tinky Winky
>character somehow embodies homosexuality and is a threat to youngsters
>is absurd, even paranoid.  To Falwell and many of his religious right
>supporters, however, it makes perfect sense.  Convinced that there is
>a wide spread "homosexual agenda" at work in America -- especially one
>which intends to condition or "convert" young people from a natural
>heterosexual disposition into homosexuality -- t

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: re; AANEWS for Thursday, February 11, 1999

[Source - Richard]

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Try doing it correctly as stated at the bottom of every CTRL message, schmuck!

Lloyd (Casey) Wade-Shields wrote:
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>
>I have asked 1000 times please take me off this list
>-Original Message-
>From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 7:08 AM
>Subject: [CTRL] Fw: re; AANEWS for Thursday, February 11, 1999
>
>
>> -Caveat Lector-
>>
>>from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
>>subject: AANEWS for February 11, 1999
>>
>> A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
>> AANEWS
>>  #525 ~~ 2/11/99
>>http://www.atheists.org
>>   ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/
>> http://www.americanatheist.org
>>
>>-
>>   A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS
>>   "For Reason and the First Amendment"
>>--
>>
>>  In This Issue...
>>
>>   * Falwell: beware Telletubbies, antichrist
>>   * Many agree with Falwell's views on Armageddon
>>   * American Atheist Press Release on Falwell
>>   * American Atheists National Convention, April 2-4, 1999
>>   * Vatican to intervene on behalf of ex-dictator Pinochet?
>>   * American Atheist Magazine poll
>>   * Resources
>>   * About this list...
>>
>>  LOST IN SPACE: THE WILD, WACKY WORLD OF JERRY FALWELL
>>>From the Antichrist to Gay "Teletubbies," the TV Evangelist Warns the
>>Flock
>>
>>   He's at it again.
>>
>>Just one week after apologizing for remarks that many considered to be
>>bigoted and anti-Semitic, evangelist Jerry Falwell has now suggested
>>that a popular children's character, Tinky Winky, is gay and thus
>>"damaging to the moral lives of children."  Tinky Winky is one of the
>>popular "Teletubbies," amorphous characters on a popular British-made
>>children's television show which premiered in 1997 and has become a
>>smash hit for PBS.  The characters have inspired a burst of
>>promotional tie-ins including doll sets which are scheduled for
>>release next month.  In addition to Tinky Winky, there's Po, LaLa and
>>Dipsy who are rounded yellow, green and red characters with
>>televisions sets in their tummies and squiggly antennae on their
>>heads.
>>
>>What seems to distinguish Tinky Winky, though -- and outrages Rev.
>>Falwell -- is his purple color and the fact that his antenna is in the
>>shape of a triangle.  Get it?
>>
>>Falwell's remarks appeared in his National Liberty Journal earlier
>>this month.  Describing the Tinky Winky character, it noted: "He is
>>purple -- the gay-pride color;and his antenna is shaped like a
>>triangle -- the gay-pride symbol."  The article then went on to
>>describe a Washington Post editorial that depicted Tinky's photo
>>"opposite that of Ellen DeGeneres in an 'In/Out' column.  This implies
>>that Ellen is 'out' as the chief national gay representative, while
>>Tinky Winky is the trendy 'in' celebrity."
>>
>>Tinky has also been seen carrying a "purse," claimed Falwell's
>>publication.  In addition, the Teletubbies hero has the voice of a boy
>>"and has become a favorite character among gay groups worldwide..."
>>
>>"These subtle depictions are no doubt intentional and parents are
>>warned to be alert to these elements in the series," concluded the
>>Journal.
>>
>>The remarks have rocketed Falwell back into the headlines, provided
>>news writers with a cornucopia of biting remarks, and left a spokesman
>>for Itsy Bitsy Entertainment Co., the firm which licenses the
>>Teletubbies in America, astounded.  Steven Rice told reporters
>>yesterday that the Tinky Winky character carries a "magic bag" and
>>that does not "make him gay."
>>
>>"It's a children's show, folks.  To think we would be putting sexual
>>innuendo in a children's show is kind of outlandish," he added.  Rice
>>also charged that Falwell was targeting "something sweet and innocent"
>>in order to further his conservative political agenda.  "To out a
>>Teletubby in a preschool show is kind of sad on his part.  I really
>>find it absurd and kind of offensive."
>>
>>Falwell's war on the Teletubby character, though, is part of a larger
>>campaign that he and his organizations have waged against homosexuals
>>for nearly twenty year.  Gays and gay rights were a major focus for
>>the preacher when he founded his Moral Majority organization in 1980.
>>And in 1997, Falwell continued his battle against homosexuals in the
>>media when he pressured General Motors, Chrysler and Johnson & Johnson
>>to withdraw sponsorship from an episode of the "Ellen" show where the
>>lead character -- comedian and actress Ellen DeGeneres -- announced
>>that she was a lesbian."
>>
>>   Understanding Falwell's "Teletubbies" P
>>To most rational folks, Rev.  Falwell's claim that the Tinky Winky
>>character somehow embodies homosexuality and is a threat to youngsters
>>is absurd, even paranoid.  To Falwell and many of his religious right
>>supporters, however, 

[CTRL] HIV/chimps discussion from the net

[Taylor, John (JH)]

 -Caveat Lector-

Thanks to Ken Jacobs, Harry Erwin, and Jim Macintosh for their responses to
my posting (2/7/99) on the supposed chimp vector for HIV transmission to
humans.

My apologies for the delay in responding.

Ken wrote (2/7/99)

>>But
themost telling problem . . . is that
if the transfer happened only in the 1940s . . .
 then either, 1) the local populations refrained from
chimp-eating before then (an unlikely proposition) or, 2) the earlier
hunters were more adept and managed never to cut themselves accidentally
while butchering a chimp (equally unlikely).<<

According to African green monkey theory, the transfer occurred at least as
early as 1600.  That's the approximate date of visits to Japan by Portugese
navigators, who brought black slaves and Agms with them.  (Agms aren't
native to Japan Asia).  Myron Essex, at Harvard, published an article in
1983 claiming (a) to have recovered HTLV from patients in Japan suffering
multiple bacteria infections (an 'AIDS-like' symptom) and (b) to have
compared HTLV with SIV and to have found similarities warranting the
inference
of mutational origin.  Robert Gallo, who discovered HTLV
(human T cell lymphotrophic virus in 1980), took up this cause and, thanks
to his prestige, made it the accepted opinion.  (His particular interest
was his campaign to get HTLV accepted as the cause of AIDS.  At that time
the nomenclature change to HIV hadn't occurred, and the Montaigner team at
the Pasteur Institute were still hoping for acknowledgement of their
priority of discovery.  Moreover, the Pasteur group had found a second AIDS
virus in Senegal--today labelled HIV-2--which enhanced their claim of
priority).

Anyhow, the Agm/HTLV vector was extremely interesting and other labs tried
to replicate Essex's work.  They couldn't so doubts began to arise.  Essex
set Jim Mullins (one of his subordinates) to work to vindicate the finding.
 Mullins concluded, after exhaustive investigation, that the Japanese blood
samples supposedly infected by HTLV resembled SIV so closely because it WAS
SIV.  In other words, contamination had occurred in Essex's lab.  And there
was worse to come.  The SIV was not from Agms, but from Asian macaques
living in a primate research center in a Boston suburb.  There was, in
other words, a SECOND contamination.  The Agm claim, then, was  wholly
bogus.

This correction was published in 1987, but the prose was
so 'round-about that only insiders could understand it.  For the public at
large, the Agm continued to be touted as the vector.  Completely bogus, but
still good press.

Jim Mullins's detective work should have won him distinction, for to kill
an error is to win back terrain for truth.  Alas, Essex stopped speaking to
him and Gallo was furious.  Mullins became deeply disenchanted with the
science process as a result, left Harvard for the University of Washington,
and got out of AIDS research.

What does it all mean?

1.  Once burned, twice cautious: check out the chimp vector claim to be
sure it's not the rerun of an old movie.

2.  Neither Gallo nor Essex had evidence that HTLV actually caused cancer.
It was merely a surmise based on the presence of HTLV in tumor tissue.
They also had no evidence that SIV was pathogenic.  So the entire scenario
was speculative.  However, it was worth headlines and rapid appreciation of
biotech stock values held by Essex and Gallo.

3.  The Agm theory, like the chimp theory, is a fizzer as an explanation of
the time and point of entry of HIV into the human species.  Here things get
very sticky.  Retroviruses exist in the dozens, perhaps hundreds, in the
human germ line.  They are 'passenger' viruses, genome junk.  They are not
pathogenic.  (Varmus and Brown,  in *Mobile DNA*, ed. Berg,
1989, pp. 90, 95).  They have been in the germline for many millions of
years, perhaps 300 million.  This makes them very slow viruses indeed.  So
how is it that HIV suddenly kicks up such a pathogenic fuss?  That's the 26
bn $$ question.  Hint: Until the David Ho viral load theory of 1995, it was
accepted that HIV is present in AIDS patients only in minute amounts, and
those small numbers 'hide' in lymph nodes.  This fact was one of Duesberg's
reasons for denying that HIV is pathogenic.

4.  Harry Erwin cautions against citing Kary Mullis.  But why, Harry?  One
reason he involves himself in the debate is that the current fashion in HIV
theory, the viral load theory, is based on PRC amplification techniques
that to his mind are completely illegitimate.  I might add that University
of Sydney mathematician Mark Craddock has written a critique of the
mathematics of viral load that concludes: total bollocks.  Further caution:
the chimp/HIV vector work comes from the same lab as gave us the viral load
hypothesis (Shaw in collaboration with David Ho).

Ken Jacobs again, this time on AIDS journalism:

>>Finally, while I agree that jounalists' amnesia plays a large role
here, journalists are notoriously competitive. It would seem to

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   walk on the moon, was murdered, his son has charged in the February 16
   edition of STAR magazine.

   In another stunning development, a lead NASA investigator has charged
   the agency engaged in a cover-up of the true cause of the catastrophe
   that killed Grissom and two other astronauts.

   The tabloid exclusive by Steve Herz reports that Scott Grissom, 48,
   has gone public with the familys long held belief that their father
   was purposefully killed during Apollo I.

   The January 27, 1967, Apollo I mission was a simulated launch in
   preparation for an actual lunar flight.

   NASA concluded the Apollo I deaths of Grissom, as well as astronauts
   Edward H. White and Roger Chafee, were the result of an explosive fire
   that enveloped the pure oxygen atmosphere of the space capsule. NASA
   investigators could not identify what caused the spark, but wrote the
   catastrophe off as an accident.

   "My fathers death was no accident, he was murdered, Grissom, a
   commercial pilot, told STAR.

   Grissom said he recently was granted access to the charred capsule and
   discovered a "fabricated metal plate located behind a control panel
   switch. The switch controlled the capsules electrical power source
   from an outside source to the ships batteries. Grissom argues that the
   placement of the metal plate was an act of sabotage. When the one of
   the astronauts toggled the switch to transfer power to the ships
   batteries, a spark was created igniting a fireball.

   Clark Mac Donald, a McDonnell-Douglas engineer hired by NASA to
   investigate the fire, offered corroborating evidence. Breaking more
   than three decades of silence, Mac Donald alleges that he determined
   an electrical short caused by the change over to battery power had
   caused the fire.

   He says that NASA destroyed his report and interview tapes in an
   effort to stem public criticism of the space program.

   "I have agonized for 31 years about revealing the truth but I didnt
   want to hurt NASAs image or cause trouble, Mac Donald told the paper.
   "But I cant let one more day go by without the truth being known.

   Grissoms widow, Betty, now 71, told STAR she agrees with her sons
   claim that her husband had been murdered.

   "I believe Scott has found the key piece of evidence to prove NASA
   knew all along what really happened but covered up to protect funding
   for the race to the moon.

   Scott Grissom told STAR the motive for his fathers killing may have
   been related to NASAs desire not have his father be the first man to
   walk on the moon because of criticism leveled at Grissom in 1961 after
   his Gemini capsule, Liberty 7, sunk in the Atlantic.

   Critics of Grissom, including novelist Tom Wolfe, have claimed Grissom
   panicked when his space capsule landed in the ocean, and he
   prematurely pulled an explosive charge to open the ships hatch,
   causing it to sink.

   Fellow astronauts, however, gave Grissom the benefit of the doubt for
   several reasons. Grissom was a decorated Korean war pilot who had
   flown nearly 100 combat missions. He was a courageous man not known to
   panic.

   There was also evidence that the explosive device on the hatch could
   accidentally blow without being pulled -- a fact that led NASA to
   remove such devices from future spacecraft.

   Also, had Grissom pulled the explosive release on the hatch, his hand
   or arm should have had powder and bruise marks. Neither were found.

   Grissom, one of the original Mercury seven, was the senior astronaut
   when the Apollo missions began.

   Among the astronauts, Grissom was the most critical of the
   problem-plagued Apollo program, and the main Apollo contractor, North
   American Aviation.

   Shortly before his death, Grissom had taken a large lemon and hung it
   around the space capsule as the press looked on. He had suggested
   publicly that the project could never be accomplished on time.

   The Associated Press reported, "Pretty slim was the way [Grissom] put
   his Apollos chances of meeti

Re: [CTRL] ******** ATTENTION - SPECIAL PROGRAM ************

[Brian Redman]

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On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, nurev wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Friday 8pm ( E.T.) on the History Channel.
>
>
>
> " The Plot To Overthrow FDR "
>
> The true conspiracy by some of America's Corporate Elites
> to overthrow FDR and install a much admired Fascist government
> based on those of the European Fascists in Italy, Spain, and
> Germany.

Besides History Channel, info on the plot against FDR is in
the book, "Treason" by Gurudas.

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Re: [CTRL] Tobacco

[nurev]

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Samatha 'Smith' wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> We don't make war on all consumers goods which can lead to bad health in
> the future.  High fat foods, nitrites in processed meat, and on and on and on.
>
> Why tobacco?  Sure it causes health problems in 2/3 of it's users, sure
> the medical bills get expensive.but are we taking a moral high ground
> against sugar because of the incidence of diabetes in this country?
>
> Stevia, a natural, healthy, powerful sweetener was banned in the US for
> years until health food advocates got it cleared to be sold as a food
> supplement.  Makers are not ALLOWED to advertise it as a sweetener.  The
> Japansese use stevia frequently, and it's added into their processed foods,
> and they have a much lower incidence of diabetes.
>
> But to make my point.I think the attack on tobacco is so that it will
> be made illegal, forced onto the black market, sold at high prices -- tax free
> -- and give the police-state another lame excuse to jail ordinary people.
>
> Samantha

That's right. That must be the reason. The Govt. is just dying to stop
raking
in all those tabacco tax revenues just to persecute and jail ordinary
people.

Damn Gubmnt !

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS

[nurev]

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"M.A. Johnson" wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> nurev wrote:
>  This is how modern society is organized. If you don't
>  like it, move to Libertaria.
> MJ:
>  Whatever the MOB says goes?  Certainly a Tyranny easily
>  identified by another name.
>
> nurev wrote:
> You keep calling groups of people a mob.
> MJ:
> Only where warranted.
>
> nurev wrote:
> Surely not every human grouping is a mob in your adolescent
> philosophy is it?
>
> Ad hominem, straw man
>
> nurev wrote:
>  There are gangs, and tribes, and citizens, and teams,
>  and consumers, and populations. But you see us all as
>  mobs. No wonder you don't have the courage to live in
>  a democracy.
>
> MJ:
> I am not interested in being ruled by the whim of 50%+1 of the
> population.  I prefer liberty.
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ


You don't have many options available. It's either Plutocracy or
Democracy. I think that we will soon be finishing with Plutocracy.

Then you will have to choose.

It's a tough life.

J2

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[CTRL] Major General Charles P. Cabell--JCOS directive to develop the extraterrestrial hypothesis

[Lloyd Miller]

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Thanks for the info...we will keep our eye on your hypothesis.

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   Major General Charles P. Cabell,  Chief of the AF photographic lab 1946,
Promoted to Director AF Intelligence Washington 1947 to 1951.   Then
Promoted
to the Director of the Joint Chiefs in 1952, (after his brilliant execution
of
the JCOS directive to develop the extraterrestrial hypothesis as an
explanation for the UFO phenomenon) ,  and then promoted to Deputy Director
Central Intelligency Agency,  from 1953 to 1963,  has no record in the
government archives.  Albonic research should focus on Cabell as an
experiment
in the FOIA reality.  Cabell was a real person, but apparently is big
trouble
for the historians.


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[CTRL] The Mind Has No Firewall

[Lyn McCloskey]

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http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/parameters/98spring/thomas.htm



The Mind Has No Firewall
TIMOTHY L. THOMAS

>From Parameters, Spring 1998, pp. 84-92.



   "It is completely clear that the state which is first
   to create such weapons will achieve incomparable
   superiority."

 -- Major I. Chernishev, Russian army[1]


The human body, much like a computer, contains myriad data processors. They
include, but are not limited to, the chemical-electrical activity of the
brain, heart, and peripheral nervous system, the signals sent from the
cortex region of the brain to other parts of our body, the tiny hair cells
in the inner ear that process auditory signals, and the light-sensitive
retina and cornea of the eye that process visual activity.[2] We are on the
threshold of an era in which these data processors of the human body may be
manipulated or debilitated. Examples of unplanned attacks on the body's
data-processing capability are well-documented. Strobe lights have been
known to cause epileptic seizures. Not long ago in Japan, children watching
television cartoons were subjected to pulsating lights that caused seizures
in some and made others very sick.

Defending friendly and targeting adversary data-processing capabilities of
the body appears to be an area of weakness in the US approach to
information warfare theory, a theory oriented heavily toward systems
data-processing and designed to attain information dominance on the
battlefield. Or so it would appear from information in the open,
unclassified press. This US shortcoming may be a serious one, since the
capabilities to alter the data- processing systems of the body already
exist. A recent edition of U.S. News and World Report highlighted several
of these "wonder weapons" (acoustics, microwaves, lasers) and noted that
scientists are "searching the electromagnetic and sonic spectrums for
wavelengths that can affect human behavior."[3] A recent Russian military
article offered a slightly different slant to the problem, declaring that
"humanity stands on the brink of a psychotronic war" with the mind and body
as the focus. That article discussed Russian and international attempts to
control the psycho-physical condition of man and his decisionmaking
processes by the use of VHF-generators, "noiseless cassettes," and other
technologies.
An entirely new arsenal of weapons, based on devices designed to introduce
subliminal messages or to alter the body's psychological and
data-processing capabilities, might be used to incapacitate individuals.
These weapons aim to control or alter the psyche, or to attack the various
sensory and data-processing systems of the human organism. In both cases,
the goal is to confuse or destroy the signals that normally keep the body
in equilibrium.

This article examines energy-based weapons, psychotronic weapons, and other
developments designed to alter the ability of the human body to process
stimuli. One consequence of this assessment is that the way we commonly use
the term "information warfare" falls short when the individual soldier, not
his equipment, becomes the target of attack.
Information Warfare Theory and the Data-Processing Element of Humans
In the United States the common conception of information warfare focuses
primarily on the capabilities of hardware systems such as computers,
satellites, and military equipment which process data in its various forms.
According to Department of Defense Directive S-3600.1 of 9 December 1996,
information warfare is defined as "an information operation conducted
during time of crisis or conflict to achieve or promote specific objectives
over a specific adversary or adversaries." An information operation is
defined in the same directive as "actions taken to affect adversary
information and information systems while defending one's own information
and information systems." These "information systems" lie at the heart of
the modernization effort of the US armed forces and other countries, and
manifest themselves as hardware, software, communications capabilities, and
highly trained individuals. Recently, the US Army conducted a mock battle
that tested these systems under simulated combat conditions.

US Army Field Manual 101-5-1, Operational Terms and Graphics (released 30
September 1997), defines information warfare as "actions taken to achieve
information superiority by affecting a hostile's information, information
based-processes, and information systems, while defending one's own
information, information processes, and information systems." The same
manual defines information operations as a "continuous military operation
within the military information environment that enables, enhances, and
protects friendly forces' ability to collect, process, and act on
information to achieve an advantage across the full range of military
operations. [Information operations include] interacting with the Global
Information Environment . . . and exploitin

[CTRL] Germania: 02-12

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From wsws.org

Former UN official calls for an end to sanctions
on Iraq: "You now have five or six thousand children dying every month"

WSWS : News & Analysis : Europe : Germany

State elections in Hesse

German political establishment shifts to the right

By Ute Reissner
12 February 1999

The elections in the German state of Hesse on February 7th were the first
since the formation of a Social Democratic-Green coalition on the national
level in autumn of last year. In the national elections of September 1998,
the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Greens ousted the conservative Christian
Democratic government under Helmut Kohl, which had been in power for the
previous sixteen years.

Now, only a few months later, the SPD-Green coalition which had ruled Hesse
for the past eight years has been defeated by the combined vote of the
Christian Democratic Union (CDU) under Roland Koch and the small Free
Democratic Party (FDP). The CDU and FDP will form the new state government.

The heavily industrialised state of Hesse is located in the middle of what
was formerly West Germany and has a population of 6 million, including many
immigrants. The city of Frankfurt, while not the state capital, is Hesse's
most important city. A major banking centre, it is the home of the European
Central Bank, which is charged with overseeing the new single European
currency, the euro.

The old government in Hesse lost its majority due to heavy losses suffered
by the Greens. This is particularly significant, because Hesse is the
cradle of the Green movement, where the first-ever Red-Green coalition was
formed in 1985. After a brief interruption, the SPD and the Greens had
formed the government for the past eight years. In the February 7
elections, the Greens lost a full third of their votes, falling from 11.2
to 7.1 percent. The SPD vote improved slightly to 39.6 percent, but this
could not make up for the losses of the Greens.

On the other hand, the CDU vote rose by almost 4 percent to 43.1 percent.
The CDU campaigned on an openly racist platform. In face of heavy
opposition within the CDU itself, their candidate for state premier
initiated a campaign against the introduction of a new citizenship law by
the federal government. Under certain conditions, the new law would enable
immigrants to acquire a German passport without giving up their original
nationality. It would also guarantee children born in Germany the right to
citizenship.

The CDU initiated a campaign against this projected legislation by
collecting signatures on the streets, thereby encouraging a veritable lynch
mob atmosphere. This xenophobic campaign was a clear breach of what had
previously been a taboo in official German politics, given the horrific
history of Nazi racism. Almost on a daily basis, police intervened to
protect CDU activists from angry passers-by and spontaneous protests, while
the SPD and the Greens remained all but silent on the issue.

The following comment on the election has been translated from the German
section of the World Socialist Web Site.

Major losses for the Greens and an openly racist campaign by the Christian
Democrats (CDU) decided the outcome of the state elections in Hesse on
February 7.

This was the first election to a state parliament since the change of
government in Bonn last September. It has brought to the fore the more
fundamental problems that were obscured by the triumphant election victory
of the Social Democratic Party (SPD) and Greens at the federal level.

The utter collapse of the Greens in the Hesse election and the mobilisation
of the most backward layers by the CDU signature campaign are the first
outward signs of the rifts opening up in the old party and parliamentary
system. The old political order is beginning to crack under the pressure of
social tensions.

The SPD's victory in the federal elections last September could be traced
back to pent up dissatisfaction resulting from permanently high
unemployment and ongoing social cuts. However, the supposedly democratic
way out of this impasse--a change of government--has turned out to be a
sham solution. The real programme of Chancellor Schröder is directly
counterposed to the needs of the people. His models are Holland, Britain
and the USA, where state-enforced cheap labour and drastic cuts in wages
and social benefits are the norm.

The entry of the Greens into the federal government served not only to
secure a majority, but also to lend this right-wing agenda a progressive
appearance. However, after just three months in office, the Greens have
succeeded in completely discrediting themselves. On all the essential
questions they have been brought to their knees without even a murmur.

This was seen most clearly in their agreement last October to send the
Bundeswehr (armed forces) into Kosovo. It was also the case when, despite a
coalition agreement promising an end to the reprocessing of nuclear waste,
Schröder peremptorily dropped it and agreed 

Re: [CTRL] Tobacco

[Sno0wl]

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On 11 Feb 99, , Samatha wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> We don't make war on all consumers goods which can lead to bad health in
> the future.  High fat foods, nitrites in processed meat, and on and on and on.
>
> Why tobacco?  Sure it causes health problems in 2/3 of it's users, sure
> the medical bills get expensive.but are we taking a moral high ground
> against sugar because of the incidence of diabetes in this country?
>
> Stevia, a natural, healthy, powerful sweetener was banned in the US for
> years until health food advocates got it cleared to be sold as a food
> supplement.  Makers are not ALLOWED to advertise it as a sweetener.  The
> Japansese use stevia frequently, and it's added into their processed foods,
> and they have a much lower incidence of diabetes.
>
> But to make my point.I think the attack on tobacco is so that it will
> be made illegal, forced onto the black market, sold at high prices -- tax free
> -- and give the police-state another lame excuse to jail ordinary people.

Yes, I agreeteenage cigarette smokers are already open to criminal prosecution,
since it is now illegal for them to buy them.

Interesting that is now LEGAL to refuse to hire people who use tobacco on or off the
jobeven though tobacco is still a legal substance. And this is a trend that is 
growing
across the nation. Let alone that there is no way to prove which respiratory ailments
are caused by tobacco and which by other pollutants in the environment--including
automobile emissions, pesticides, and other airborne chemical pollutants (that stuff
being sprayed in contrails across the nation?).

Yet there is no refusal to hire people who drink alcohol or eat Twinkiesor drink 
milk
laced with BGHwho are equally liable to require much medical attention and time off
the job for substance-related illnesses.

Is this perhaps just another move toward a facist statethat only those who can 
prove
perfect health may work?

Also curious how the courts are going after the gun manufacturers. I am not
particularly in favor of guns yet don't want to see public access banned. The idea that
a manufacturer can be sued if his product is used irresponsibly, in spite of no fault 
by
the manufacturer itself--if successful--means that the government will be able to 
control
who produces what, and which manufacturers are allowed to stay in business.

Also curious how one pundit, speaking of economics, talked about the need to remove
"Depression Era barriers."--making these "barriers" sound antiquated and outdated.
Those are Anti-Trust Laws he's talking about.


sno0wl

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[CTRL] John Denver

[1lls0081]

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Will someone please post the urls for the information about John
Denver?  I have lost them and considering he was a more important part
of the continuing movement that started in the 60's or earlier than
Kennedy was, I am following that up.  I found a tape "John Denver A
Portrait" (c) 1994 by Windstar Records Produc

It does not have some of the best clips in it, but as the theme Ended up
being a bit eye opening.  Wonder how much his dad knew (his dad was a
Air Force Test pilot) and how much he talked to his son?

I am also curious about Willie Nelson.  Why did the IRS go after him
right after he started Farm Aid?  I still think the small farmer is
suppose to sink - anyone have any more information on the Meat Buyers
not having to release figures on how much they pay for meat?

Thank You
Laura
aka The Pied Piper

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[CTRL] Arabiana: 02-12

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From ArabicNews.CoM

Bahrain's defense minister stresses his country's refusal to use its lands
for striking Iraq
Bahrain, Politics, 2/11/99

Bahrain's defense minister and deputy commander in chief of the Bahraini
Army, Sheikh Khaleifa Bin Ahmad al-Khaleifa, has said that his country
opposes striking Iraq or changing its current government.

He asserted that, "Bahrain did not and will not allow the use of its lands
or skies to achieve these objectives."

In a statement he made on Wednesday in Manama following his meeting with
British Defense Minister George Robertson, Sheikh Khaleifa Bin Ahmad
Khaleifa reiterated that, "Bahrain condemns international aggressions in
all its forms, regardless of its reasons and motives, because it
constitutes a danger threatening all humanity and in contradiction with
doctrines of Islam which regrets violence and terrorism and calls for
tolerance, integration, security and peace."

Sheikh Khaleifa has called upon "certain countries" to reconsider their
policies concerning people given sanctuary in cases of terrorists. He
asserted the need for collective international efforts to eliminate this
phenomenon. He asked these countries not to give sanctuary to extremist
groups or terrorists in using their territories to practice activities
threatening the security and safety of other countries.

On Wednesday, Bahraini Emir Sheikh Issa Bin Salman, Prime Minister Sheikh
Khaleifa Bin Salman al-Khaleifa and Crown Prince Sheikh Hamad Bin Issa
al-Khaleifa discussed with Robertson the latest developments and current
conditions in the region and on the Arab and international arenas as well
as issues of mutual concern.

The ruler of Bahrain stressed his country's desire to strengthen security
in the Arab Gulf region. He highlighted the role played by Britain in
maintaining the region's security and stability.

For his part, British defense minister stressed cooperation with Britain
especially in military training.

Iraq's Aziz to visit Turkey in the mid of this month
Iraq, Politics, 2/11/99

Turkey said on Wednesday that Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz will
visit Ankara for 24 hours at the beginning of next week in order to discuss
bilateral relations.

An official at the Turkish Foreign Ministry said that Tariq Aziz will
arrive on February 15, "at his request."

Earlier, the Iraqi News Agency said that Tariq Aziz will visit Turkey at
the invitation of the Turkish Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit, who had
recently criticized the "absence of a clear US policy towards Iraq."

Ecevit expressed his dissatisfaction for the possibility of establishing a
Kurdish state in northern Iraq as a result of the air embargo imposed by
the Western planes over northern Iraq under the pretext of protecting the
Kurds.

Last week Turkey called for revision of principles which govern the
activity of the Western planes in the context of what is called "the
process of monitoring northern Iraq."

Turkey says that imposing sanctions on Iraq causes it losses estimated at
US $30 billion.

Israel opposes UN Geneva Convention conference on its practices
Palestine, Politics, 2/11/99

The UN General Assembly on Tuesday adopted a resolution calling for
convening a conference on July 15 in Geneva to consider Israel's continued
violations of the 1949 Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab lands,
particularly the ban on settlements.

In a resolution issued with 115 member countries voting for the resolution
and the US and Israeli against, with the abstention of five countries, the
GA recommended that the signatories to the Convention should attend this
conference at the UN office in Geneva.

The resolution confirmed that it is necessary to make future efforts to
return the Middle East peace process to its track, despite its disruption
because of the Israeli government's non-commitment to the signed
agreements.

Meanwhile, the Palestinian observer at the UN, Nasser al-Kidwa, expressed
his satisfaction and gratitude to the countries which voted for the UN
General Assembly decision calling for convening a conference in Geneva, to
discuss Israel's incessant violations in the occupied Palestinian lands.

The conference is seen is a chance to put pressure on Israel, compelling it
to honor the Geneva Convention in the occupied Palestinian lands. The
Palestinians stressed that Israeli settlements in occupied Arab lands,
which are condemned by the UN, are a violation of the Geneva Convention.

Israeli ambassador Dore Gold alleged that the GA decision is a distortion
of international law in order to serve political aims. Gold added that the
Geneva Convention is not applicable to Israel, alleging that 97% of
Palestinians live under Palestinian rule.


Arab ministers satisfied over progress on trade free zone
Regional, Economics, 2/11/99

The 63rd Arab Economic and Social Council on Wednesday expressed
satisfaction on measures adopted by Arab states for the implementation of
the Arab free trade zone.

A statement 

Re: [CTRL] Tobacco

[1lls0081]

 -Caveat Lector-

With the law suits it could be that some of the Cigarette manufacturers wanted to 
bring out
the fact that it was not (necessarily) the tabacco that caused things but the fact 
that sugar
(among other things) has been added to tobacco and it is grown with pesticides and
herbicides.  Has anyone ever burt sugar?  Leaves a big gooey mess - Tar?  I heard that 
they
used to use fiberglass in filters.
Laura

Sno0wl wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On 11 Feb 99, , Samatha wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > We don't make war on all consumers goods which can lead to bad health in
> > the future.  High fat foods, nitrites in processed meat, and on and on and on.
> >
> > Why tobacco?  Sure it causes health problems in 2/3 of it's users, sure
> > the medical bills get expensive.but are we taking a moral high ground
> > against sugar because of the incidence of diabetes in this country?
> >
> > Stevia, a natural, healthy, powerful sweetener was banned in the US for
> > years until health food advocates got it cleared to be sold as a food
> > supplement.  Makers are not ALLOWED to advertise it as a sweetener.  The
> > Japansese use stevia frequently, and it's added into their processed foods,
> > and they have a much lower incidence of diabetes.
> >
> > But to make my point.I think the attack on tobacco is so that it will
> > be made illegal, forced onto the black market, sold at high prices -- tax free
> > -- and give the police-state another lame excuse to jail ordinary people.
>
> Yes, I agreeteenage cigarette smokers are already open to criminal prosecution,
> since it is now illegal for them to buy them.
>
> Interesting that is now LEGAL to refuse to hire people who use tobacco on or off the
> jobeven though tobacco is still a legal substance. And this is a trend that is 
>growing
> across the nation. Let alone that there is no way to prove which respiratory ailments
> are caused by tobacco and which by other pollutants in the environment--including
> automobile emissions, pesticides, and other airborne chemical pollutants (that stuff
> being sprayed in contrails across the nation?).
>
> Yet there is no refusal to hire people who drink alcohol or eat Twinkiesor drink 
>milk
> laced with BGHwho are equally liable to require much medical attention and time 
>off
> the job for substance-related illnesses.
>
> Is this perhaps just another move toward a facist statethat only those who can 
>prove
> perfect health may work?
>
> Also curious how the courts are going after the gun manufacturers. I am not
> particularly in favor of guns yet don't want to see public access banned. The idea 
>that
> a manufacturer can be sued if his product is used irresponsibly, in spite of no 
>fault by
> the manufacturer itself--if successful--means that the government will be able to 
>control
> who produces what, and which manufacturers are allowed to stay in business.
>
> Also curious how one pundit, speaking of economics, talked about the need to remove
> "Depression Era barriers."--making these "barriers" sound antiquated and outdated.
> Those are Anti-Trust Laws he's talking about.
>
> sno0wl

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[CTRL] fw: Net Cleanup

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[CTRL] "Freek Press" or Beltway elites circle their wagons

[Lucio Benedetto]

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Smearing Hitch
February 10, 1999

One of our favorite journalists, Christopher Hitchens, the smart and acerbic
contributor to Vanity Fair and The Nation, has come under fire for providing
the House managers with an affidavit contradicting Sidney Blumenthal's sworn
testimony and implicating Clinton in a concerted effort to smear Monica
Lewinsky as a "stalker."  The attacks began in a February 8th, Washington
Post screed by Lloyd Grove that would set the tone for the mainstream press'
handling of the story.

Grove begins with a misty-eyed history of the long friendship between
Hitchens and Blumenthal, followed by a litany of quotes from shocked
establishment journalists, expressing disbelief and ad hominem outrage that
Hitchens should have done such a thing to a close friend and colleague.  Joe
Conasan's statement that he "can't say [Blumenthal's characterization of
Lewinksy as stalker] didn't happen" is a sneaky bit of rhetorical character
assassination along the lines of, "have you stopped beating your wife?"
Grove goes on to quote Joan Bingham, executive editor and vice president of
Grove/Atlantic Press, who wonders, "why Hitch would do this, unless he's
trying to promote his book."  Another unnamed journalist avers that, "this
says something about the true nature of Christopher's friendships."  Another
somberly  intoned, "I think it is such a pity that I'll never be able to
speak with Christopher again or have him in my house."

Grove's calculated tactic is to depict Hitchens as a crude Judas, or worse,
as just another huckster Beltway journalist engaged in a publicity stunt to
hawk his latest book.  Grove deflects the story away from Clinton and turns
it into a minor insider drama, where serious political and moral costs are
finally tallied in lost dinner invitations.  That Hitchens (and his wife)
may be speaking the truth is apparently not a matter for discussion, anymore
than are Clinton's numerous and documented betrayals of his friends and
constituencies.

And yet Clinton's laundry list of repeated betrayals are at the center of
this drama.  On February 9th in The Washington Post, Hitchens states that
far from trying to betray his old friend, he had reasons to believe that
Blumenthal was, "being readied, to be used as yet another human sacrifice by
his employer" and was acting partly out a desire to stop Blumenthal from
immolating himself upon Clinton's altar of moral hypocrisy.

Clinton, unlike Hitchens, has a publicly documented history of allowing his
closest aides and friends to take the falls for his indiscretions (and a
question for another time is why so many are willing to take the fall).
When Clinton doesn't betray his colleagues, he abandons them for the sake of
political expedience.  From Former Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders to Lani
Guinier, to the many traditionally progressive constituencies who elected
him only to be rebuked once he shut the White House door behind him, Clinton
has made a career out of betrayal and abandonment.

Hitchens' affidavit lends credence to the darkest of the rumors that
surround Bill Clinton.  Those whom Clinton betrays dare not protest too
loudly, for he will stoop to use the full powers of the Presidency in order
to harrass and intimidate any such troublemakers into submission.  And when
he can't fully control an inconvenient situation of his own making, Clinton
will simply call in the military and order the murder of some foreign
populace in order to deflect the media's too easily distracted spotlights.
Clinton's willingness to destroy individuals, careers, and innocent foreign
nationals in order to protect his position is boundless, documented, and
reprehensible.  But I doubt few of those self-righteous Washington
journalists, so quick to shun Christopher Hitchens for telling the truth,
would so hastily deny Bill Clinton access to their homes.

Lucio Benedetto
Austin, TX

>From Why Clinton?  A Left-critique of Bill Clinton & the New Democrats
http://www.netcom.com/~lucio

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Re: [CTRL] fw: Net Cleanup

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CRAP!!!

Ric Carter wrote:
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>which eliminates dead email and inactive ftp, www and gopher sites,
>allows for a better working and faster Internet.
>
>  This year, the cleaning process will take place from 12:01 a.m.. GMT
>on February 27 until 12:01 a.m. GMT on February 28 (the time least likely
>to interfere with ongoing work). During that 24-hour period, five powerful
>Internet search engines situated around the world will search the Internet
>and delete any data that they find.
>
>
>  In order to protect your valuable data from deletion we ask that you do
>the following:
>
>  1.   Disconnect all terminals and local area networks from their
>Internet connections.
>
>  2.   Shut down all Internet servers, or disconnect them from the
>Internet.
>
>  3.   Disconnect all disks and hardrives from any connections to the
>Internet.
>
>  4.   Refrain from connecting any computer to the Internet in any
>way.
>
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>and we apologize. However, we are certain that any inconveniences will be
>more than made up for by the increased speed and efficiency of the Internet,
>once it has been cleared of electronic flotsam and jetsam.
>
>  We thank you for your cooperation.
>
>  Kim Dereksen
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>  Main branch,
>  Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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[CTRL] SCHOOL COMPETITION EMERGING, THANKS TO CHARTERS

[Carl Amedio]

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SCHOOL COMPETITION EMERGING, THANKS TO CHARTERS

Charter schools, which are growing in number, are beginning to
force traditional public schools to try to improve, observers
report.  But there are still too few charters to have a major
impact on American education.  Reformers hope that will change
over time.

   o   A school district would have to lose 6 percent and 9
   percent of its enrollment to charters to feel real
   pressure to compete, says Caroline Hoxby, who teaches the
   economics of education at Harvard University.

   o   Arizona, with 274 charter schools -- more than any other
   state -- counts fewer than 4 percent of its youngsters in
   charters.

   o   When 5 percent of Washington, D.C., children fled the
   city's traditional public schools for charters last fall,
   the school system -- among the most wretched in the
   country -- fought the chartering of new schools, but did
   little to win children back by firing awful teachers or
   improving reading scores.

   o   Nevertheless, University of California researcher Eric
   Rofes studied 25 school districts for signs of
   competition, and found that one-quarter of them made big
   changes to their programs because of competition from
   charters.

Here are some of the improvements he found:

   o   The Grand Rapids, Mich., school district started an
   environmental-sciences middle-school program when an
   environmental-sciences charter opened nearby.

   o   Lansing, Mich., began all-day kindergarten, and
   Williamsburg, Mass., school districts offered after-school
   programs when charters opened.

   o   After a charter in Orleans, Mass., bought vans to ferry
   its students to community activities, the public high
   school did the same thing.

   o   Arizona's Wilson elementary school district was so
   distraught that students were dropping out of ninth grade
   that it chartered a high school of its own.

In themselves, these reforms may not be earth-shaking, but they
demonstrate that competition works, experts point out.

Source: June Kronholz, "Charter Schools Begin to Prod Public
Schools Toward Competition," Wall Street Journal, February 12,
1999.

For more on Charter Schools
http://www.ncpa.org/pi/edu/edu3.html#c

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Re: [CTRL] fw: Net Cleanup

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This is a warning to everyone using a computer!

On Thursday, February 18, your computers will explode.


Thank you.

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[CTRL] Smedley Butler Quote

[Lucio Benedetto]

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 General Smedley Butler on life in the military, 1935:

 "I spent thirty-three years and four months in active service in the
country's most agile military force, the Marines. I served in all ranks from
second lieutenant to major general. And during that period I spent most of
my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and
the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

"I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it.
Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought
until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended
animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with
everyone in the military service.

"Thus I helped make Mexico, and especially Tampico, safe for American oil
interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the
National City Bank boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the raping of
half-a-dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The
record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the
international banking house of Brown Brothers and Co. in 1909-1912. I
brought light to the Dominican Republic for the sugar interests in 1916. I
helped make Honduras "right" for American fruit companies in 1903. In China
in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

"During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell
racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, and promotion. Looking back on
it, I feel that I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could
do was to operate a racket in three city districts. The Marines operated on
three continents."
- - -
Butler on the American Legion:

"You know very well that it (the American Legion) is nothing but a
strike-breaking outfit used by capital for that purpose, and that is the
reason we have all those big clubhouses and that is the reason I pulled out
of it. They have been using the dumb soldiers to break strikes."

Testimony before House of Representatives' Committee, Investigation of Nazi
and Other Propaganda. 1935

---

Butler not only refused to join in the Roosevelt coup, he was also apalled
by the use of the military and the national guard to put down legal strikes
and oppress union organizers.  He was also a loud opponent of American
imperialism.  This guy was a _true_ patriot.  Watch the show (Friday 8pm
 E.T.) on the History Channel)!

A longer article by Butler:
http://www.shss.montclair.edu./english/furr/butler1.html

Lucio

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Re: [CTRL] fw: Net Cleanup

[Source - Richard]

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Brown, Jeremy wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>This is a warning to everyone using a computer!
>
>On Thursday, February 18, your computers will explode.
>
>
>Thank you.

And the day before that they will start smelling of soup whilst reciting
old Liza Minneli show tunes all the while shimmying across your desk in
the style of MC Hammer.

Thanking You.

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Re: [CTRL] fw: Net Cleanup

[Brown, Jeremy]

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In addition, you must be wary of any viruses that result in the following

1) Turning your screen saver into screen captures from "Dream a Little
Dream"

2) Every time you sign off, your computer says "Dave...what are you
doing?my mind is goingI can feel itI can feel it"

3) Having your computer start running on "Windows 1895" where the monitor
must be lit with a kerosene lamp and all e-mail is conducted via the pony
express.

4) Your password is now "Joshua" and your computer continually asks "How
about a nice game of chess?"

5) Every time you try to play another round of  "Doom", you can only play
"Pong"

6) Your desktop theme is now the coveted "Menudo" theme.

Be on the lookout.

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[CTRL] OEN 2/12/99

[Kris Millegan]

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from alt.conspiracy
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Impeached POTUS

America Turns Honest Abe's Birthday into All Fools Day

by Mark Steyn

TODAY is the birthday of Abraham Lincoln, the man who said you could
fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of
the time. America marked the occasion by celebrating Honest Abe's
successor, Slick Willie, the man who's fooled all of the people all of
the time.
Actually, hardly anyone's fooled but all of the people have agreed to
pretend that they're fooled. As West Virginia's respected octogenarian
Robert C Byrd, the Senate's dean of dignity, solon of solemnity and
exegetist of expediency, put it: "It would be very difficult to stand
and say 'Not guilty'. Who's kidding whom here?" But, in the end, Senate
Democrats decided to kid themselves and everyone else.

"Thomas Jefferson, Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, John F Kennedy,
Martin Luther King Jnr: we revere these men," said Clinton counsel
Cheryl Mills, in one of the President's more ambitious arguments. "But
they were not perfect men. They made human errors . . ."

This is the post-Clintonian pantheon of glory, a kind of alternative
Mount Rushmore of men who rush to mount more. Mr Clinton probably finds
this company unworthy: after all, this is a guy who once compared
himself to King David.

But, if we must co-opt the President's predecessors into his pantheon of
pants-droppers, here's an anecdote for Honest Abe's birthday, courtesy
of his friend, Joshua Speed.

Back in Illinois, bachelor Abe was in bed with a popular prostitute.
Before they began, Lincoln remembered to ask her price. "Five dollars,"
she said. Abe had only three, so the girl offered him credit. But he
explained that he was very poor, it would be a while before he could pay
her, and then he climbed out of bed, put on his stovepipe hat and left.
He did not say, "Relax, honey. After I've won the civil war, I'll get
some black guy to get you a job with Revlon. Now take your wooden teeth
out and let's get on with this."

That pretty young prostitute later described Lincoln as "the most
conscientious man I ever saw". If that whore were former Senator Lloyd
Bentsen, she'd turn to Bill Clinton and say: "I knew Abe Lincoln and, Mr
President, you're no Abe Lincoln."

Today's Honest Abe is Dick Morris, the Clinton adviser who devised the
election-winning strategy of "triangulation" (a nautical term) but was
forced to resign when it was discovered he was triangulating with a
prostitute.

With hindsight, I can't see why Morris had to quit: he had sex with a
hooker, not a Federal employee; he booked a hotel room, not a government
office; and he paid by personal cheque, instead of sticking it to the
taxpayers via the Justice Department's Independent Counsel budget and
running up the biggest tab in history.

By the standards of the modern Democratic Party, this makes Morris a
paragon of integrity. Instead, it's Senate Democrats who've been reduced
to political whores, massaging the body of evidence because the
economy's booming.

They absorbed effortlessly the ceremonial shift of position by Mr Byrd.
This week, he believes the President's actions are high crimes and
misdemeanours. It's barely two weeks since he filed a motion to dismiss.
But, as the Senate went into closed deliberations, he insisted he would
work hard to ensure there were 67 votes for conviction - of which
there's been no chance since he filed his motion and irreparably
de-stabilised the trial. At that time, a colleague of his told me: "When
Robert C Byrd speaks, it behoves us all to bow our heads and listen."
Now he says: "The guy makes no sense."

If I were the 112-year-old Republican Strom Thurmond I'd be miffed at
the way I'm routinely assumed to be non compos when ol' Byrd-brain gets
hailed as the oracle for every erratic pronouncement. "Sir, it was an
honour to be in your presence," CNN's Larry King told him a couple of
nights back. Come off it, Larry! Besides, a man who votes against
hearing Monica testify on the grounds that it would damage the dignity
of the Senate shouldn't turn up wearing a red bow tie and matching
waistcoat. With practised smoothness, he gave the President a close
shave, but, as usual, Mr Clinton came up smelling of pomade.

The London Telegraph, Feb. 12, 1999


Impeached POTUS

Clinton's Calls to Monica Taped by NSA

Now, Mr. President. About next year's intelligence budget . . .

A U.S. intelligence agency may have taped telephone conversations
between President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky, and information about the
tapes has been turned over to independent counsel Kenneth Starr, Sen.
Jon Kyl said Tuesday.
The information came to light last week as the Senate considered
evidence in the president's impeachment trial.

Kyl, a member of the Select Committee on Intelligence, said key GOP
senators were approached by sources who said they knew of

[CTRL] Fwd: HILLARY TO CHINA "STOP FORCED FAMILY PLANNING"

[Kris Millegan]

HILLARY TO CHINA "STOP FORCED FAMILY PLANNING"
The Hague - Netherlands
New York Senator "wannabe", First Lady Hillary Clinton took the
podium at a U.N. population conference and urged an end to what
she called "forced family planning".  Ms. Clinton's speech was
seen as a thinly veiled critique of the Communist Chinese policy
of forced abortion and sterilization.

Pregnant Chinese women who do not have the proper license are
arrested, forcibly aborted and are often sterilized, depending
on the charges made by the communist People's Armed Police
(PAP).  There are no Court proceedings and PAP warrants can be
issued on suspicion of illegal pregnancy.

During the Nuremburg trials of Nazi leaders, forced abortions
and acts of forced sterilization were ruled "war crimes".

Ms. Clinton addressed 1,500 delegates in what was billed to be a
world conference to empower women.  Mrs. Clinton's sudden
awareness of the communist Chinese policy is a propaganda ploy
aimed at the remains of the tattered feminist movement in the
post "Monica" world of Clinton lovers.

President Clinton, accused of his own "forced family planning"
in the White House, helped the red Police enforce the inhuman
policy.  President Clinton authorized the sale of secure
Motorola radios and cellular phones to the People's Armed Police
in July 1995.

PAP orders to arrest, abort and sterilize are given over a
secure Motorola radio system exported to the Chinese Gestapo
with the loving approval of Bill Clinton.  Motorola CEO Gary
Tooker personally thanked Ron Brown for his efforts in obtaining
the Clinton "Presidential waiver".

http://www.softwar.net/tooker1.html

"Co-President" Mrs. Clinton did not oppose the Motorola sale to
the murdering red Gestapo agents nor did she raise human rights
issues on her recent trip to China.

BOMBS BEFORE BORSCHT
The Kremlin - Moscow.
First Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Maslyukov stated that Russia
may lose its nuclear capability and soon be passed by China.
Russian economic woes have left the aging ex-Soviet arsenal in a
state of rapid decay.  Western analysts predict Russian nuclear
arsenals will fall to 600 to 800 weapons by 2010 while China is
already engaged in a major missile expansion program.

"The only thing Russia is respected in the world and which makes
us worthy partners is our strategic missile forces," stated
former General Alexander Lebed.

Despite money troubles - all Russian political parties agreed in
the Duma that missile forces must be supported.  Russia is
currently fielding a new force of mobile SS-27 Topol M missiles
with the first deployment already taking place south of Moscow.

PRC 2ND ARTILLERY ON VACATION - PLANNING SURPRISE VISIT?
Taipei - Taiwan.
The Communist Chinese Second Artillery Corps is on vacation and
that should make everyone nervous.  When the PRC 2nd Artillery
steps out they like to party hard and take their toys with them.

The 2nd Artillery is the Communist Chinese strategic missile
force.  The boys from the Chinese missile corps are rolling over
100 SUVs (sport utility vehicles) on a grand tour of the Chinese
coast line opposite Taiwan along the straights of Formosa.

Of course, no red rocket trooper SUV is complete unless it is
armed with a Dong Feng - 15 or Dong Feng - 11 ballistic missile.
The 100+ PRC mobile missile units are reportedly equipped with
nuclear and chemical warheads.

Chinese Communist diplomats openly brag the PRC missile troop
vacation trip is designed to press Taiwan and Japan to NOT
deploy anti-missile defenses.  The pressure comes in a typical
belligerent red way - nuclear tipped missiles pointed at Taiwan
and Japan.

In February 1996, the 2nd Artillery dropped several DF-15 dummy
warheads only 20 miles off the Taiwan coast in a failed attempt
to influence Taiwanese elections.

SOFTWAR MAY OUT TOON STARS
Richmond - Virginia
In the spirit of TV hustler Jerry Faldwell outing Teletubbie
Tinky Winky and pornster Larry Flynt putting a million dollar
bounty on Republican sexual practices...  Softwar announces it
will launch a full investigation into allegations that Elmer
Fudd is gay, and Bugs Bunny is bi.

Evidence accumulated so far indicates that Fudd clearly speaks
with a distinct accent.  Fudd and Bunny have also engaged in on-
screen kissing, marriage scenes and have appeared dressed as
women in children's cartoons.  Bunny is married and is confirmed
to have fathered 1.98327 * 10^21 children.

So far, no comment from any of the above toon stars, including
Flynt and Faldwell.

MARS DENIES MARVIN MET RON BROWN
The Commerce Dept. - Washington, D.C.
A spokesthing for the Imperial Atomic Martian Navy said there is
"no evidence" that Ron Brown met with Marvin the Martian to
arrange a Presidential waiver for the export of a uranium Q-38
space modulator.  U.S. export trade laws cover uranium Q-38
space modulators under the Toon Munitions List (TML).  They can
only be licensed for export by the BATF (Bureau of Animated Toon
Firearms).

The official IAMN spoke

Re: [CTRL] Clinton, Democrats, and Republicans

[Samatha 'Smith']

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In a message dated 99-02-12 01:09:01 EST, you write:

> You illustrate my point so well.  So ready to believe anything bad about
> Bush
>  but so unwilling to believe anything bad about Clinton, with no evidence
for
>  or against.  You do realize that don't you?
>  Teo1000

Teo,
   I said, "I suspect Reagan and Bush got away with many things."  Unlike
Clinton bashers, I don't go around stating as fact that they are criminals
because I cannot prove it.

   I would listen to allegations against Clinton if they were made by what I
consider to be reliable sources, like Dan Moldea or Alex Constantine.

   You did say we should stop this business of going 'round and 'round, did
you not?  You seem so enthusiastic about keeping this string going.

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] Tobacco

[Samatha 'Smith']

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In a message dated 99-02-12 08:42:30 EST, you write:

> > But to make my point.I think the attack on tobacco is so that it
> will
>  > be made illegal, forced onto the black market, sold at high prices -- tax
> free
>  > -- and give the police-state another lame excuse to jail ordinary people.
>  >
>  > Samantha
>
>  That's right. That must be the reason. The Govt. is just dying to stop
>  raking
>  in all those tabacco tax revenues just to persecute and jail ordinary
>  people.
>
>  Damn Gubmnt !
>
>  Joshua2

I don't see terrible logic here on my part.  Why are drugs like cocaine and
marijuana illegal?  Many believe that aspects of the government are deeply
involved in drug profiteering.  Or by your logic, why is marjuana not
legalized?  It could be taxed.
Samantha

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[CTRL] Pesticide death

[1lls0081]

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Here is an article from The Advocate in Baton Rouge 2/11/99 "Company,
contractor indicted in death from pesticide".  Perhaps if there were
more restrictions as to the use of dangerous toxins, things like this
would be less apt to occur.

http://www.theadvocate.com/news/story.asp?StoryID=4802

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] ******** ATTENTION - SPECIAL PROGRAM ************]

[Robert Tatman]

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nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The true conspiracy by some of America's Corporate Elites
> to overthrow FDR and install a much admired Fascist government
> based on those of the European Fascists in Italy, Spain, and
> Germany.
>
> They made just one teeny weeny mistake. They asked General
> Smedley Darlington Butler, the most famous and revered military
> man in America at the time to lead the vast number of Vets
> and active duty soldiers that they hoped would take part in the
> coup.
>
> He saved this country. Major General Smedley D. Butler was a
> three time winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor, and a
> famous hero of the Spanish American War and W.W.I.
>
> How is it that hardly anyone has ever heard of him?

Smedley Butler was a fascinating character. He was a Quaker who came to lead
the Marine Corps, but who kept enough of a social conscience to recognize the
military adventures he commanded in Central America and the Caribbean for what
they were, wars of economic imperialism against vastly weaker enemies. For a
short time during the 1920's, he served as Public Safety Director (Police and
Fire Commissioner) of Philadelphia, with a mandate to clean up the city's
politics--until his investigations got too close to City Hall, whereupon he
was summarily fired. It's a real pity this program is running on a cable
channel; this is a chapter of our national history that *everyone* should know
about.

Bob

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[CTRL] Tribune Article Gets It Right -- And Wrong (fwd)

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TRIBUNE ARTICLE GETS IT RIGHT -- AND WRONG
==

(CNNS, 02/12/99)  --  An  article  by  Eric  Lipton on conspiracy
theories in the Feb. 10, 1999 issue of the Chicago  Tribune  gets
it  right  --  and  wrong.   ("Impeachment  Spins  Tangled Web Of
Conspiracy Theories," Tribune, 2/10/99.)

In  general,  Lipton  provides   fair   coverage,  but  the  very
generality of his coverage serves to ridicule the  more  probable
theories.   This sort of technique is sometimes used, for example
when Debra von  Trapp  appeared  on  NBC's  Dateline show but was
book-ended by pre- and post-segments  featuring  deranged  types.
Obvious   inference   to  general  viewers:   von  Trapp  is,  by
association, herself deranged.

This deranged-by-association technique is  used  by Lipton in his
article.  He mixes serious researchers and theorists with  others
less  grounded  in  reality.   So,  for example, he has a serious
researcher,   Norman   Olson,   speculating   that  "Independent"
Prosecutor Ken Starr may be a tool, used to "create  a  diversion
away  from real criminal behavior."  But juxtaposed with Olson in
the article are people who  wear  aluminum foil helmets when they
watch television.

In covering Conspiracy Nation's theory of a Feminist Intelligence
Network  (FIN),  Lipton does not spell out the theory in full; he
leaves a crucial gap.  Lipton  gets  it  right as to Linda Tripp,
Lucianne Goldberg, and Monica Lewinsky being  possible  tools  of
FIN.  But he jumps from there to "Hillary supporting husband Bill
and  keeping  his  poll  numbers  up."   Left  out is the CRUCIAL
ingredient of a possible  "sting" operation having been conducted
by FIN, so as to show Bill Clinton their power and terrorize him.
By leaving out the crucial ingredient, Lipton ruins the cake.

But why be surprised?  One of Sherman Skolnick's  favorite  jokes
is that he never reads fiction, except for the Chicago Tribune.

Stories  dealing  with  Furbies  and  their  menace  were written
tongue-in-cheek by CNNS, and  probably  in  the  same vein by "Ru
Mills."   Yet  Furbie  stories  are  also  thrown  into  Lipton's
potpourri, as if seriously considered.

Lipton also dogmatically asserts that Wilhelm Reich's  theory  of
orgone   energy   has   been  "scientifically  debunked."   Many,
including this editor,  believe  otherwise.   Lipton, in the same
paragraph, says that Reich's orgone energy  theory  "states  that
through  fluoride  in  water  and  toothpaste, American minds are
being manipulated..."  This editor  is  not aware that Reich ever
connected his orgone energy theory with fluoride.

Overall, the article by Eric Lipton is an entertaining  read  and
provides  light humor for an America in decline.  In spite of its
flaws, this editor himself  got  a  good  laugh.  To keep sane in
conspiracy research, a sense of humor is a big help.

--
CNNS  (Conspiracy  Nation  News  Service)  is an INDEPENDENT news
outlet, not owned by anyone.  (But  of course, we would say that,
wouldn't we?) BEWARE THE CFR! BEWARE THE CIA! BEWARE THE KNIGHTS!

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Re: [CTRL] Scottish Biohazard Shit Epidemic

[1lls0081]

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Subject:
[MCS-CI] Interesting article in British Medical Journal

BMJ 1998;317:268-269 ( 25 July )

Clinical review

Lesson of the week

A foodborne outbreak of organophosphate poisoning

Indiscriminate use of organophosphates without public education on safety
increases the potential threat of foodborne outbreaks of poisoning

Rama Chaudhry, additional professor, a Shyam Bala Lall, additional
professor, b Baijayantimala Mishra, senior resident, a Benu Dhawan, senior
research associate (pool scheme). at
a Department of Microbiology, All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New
Delhi-110 029, India, b Department of Pharmacology, All India Institute of
Medical Sciences

Correspondence to: Dr Chaudhry [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Foodborne diseases have a major impact on public health. Early and correct
identification of the cause of an outbreak of food poisoning enables
specific treatment to be started as soon as possible, and this can be life
saving. We report an outbreak of fatal food poisoning caused by the
pesticide malathion.

Case reports

On 6 July 1997, 60 men aged 20-30 years attended a communal lunch at which
they ate chapatti, cooked vegetables, pulses, and halva. They all developed
nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain over the next three hours. The men
were
taken to a local primary healthcare centre where they received treatment
for
their symptoms. Fifty six responded to the treatment and were discharged
home the same day. However, the condition of the remaining four patients
deteriorated. Their level of consciousness fell, and they developed
respiratory distress and generalised muscular weakness. The next day they
were moved to an urban emergency hospital.

Case 1
A 20 year old man presented with miosis, sweating, impaired consciousness,
and hypotension. The muscle power in his arms and legs was graded as 3/5.
Reflexes in the arms and legs were reduced, but he did not have sensory
impairment. He had noticeable weakness of neck flexion, to the extent that
he could not raise his head off the pillow. Initial treatment included
intravenous fluids, antiemetics, and antibiotics. On the second day after
admission to the urban emergency hospital, he developed respiratory
insufficiency. Because he  needed endotracheal intubation and intermittent
positive pressure ventilation, he was transported immediately to a tertiary
care hospital. Over the next 24 hours he developed type II  respiratory
failure with paralysis of thoracic, neck, and diaphragmatic muscles. He
underwent tracheostomy and was ventilated mechanically for the next few
days. He was treated with atropine and pralidoxime (1 g intravenously), but
his neurological status did not improve appreciably, nor did his muscle
strength improve much over the nine days after admission to hospital. On
day
10 he had a cardiac arrest and could not be revived.

Cases 2, 3, and 4
Three patients developed mild generalised muscle weakness and respiratory
distress, and their level of consciousness was reduced. They were admitted
to the urban emergency hospital for further management, responded to
treatment for their symptoms, and were discharged home a week later.

Investigations and assays
The 60 men who succumbed to food poisoning had eaten a lunch cooked in the
community kitchen. Detailed questioning of those working in the kitchen
showed that on the morning of the outbreak the kitchen had been sprayed
with
pesticide containing malathion, an organophosphate. The raw materials for
cooking were stored in open jute bags. All 60 people who had eaten the meal
developed signs and symptoms, but the severity of illness was greatest in
case 1. He had eaten at least eight chapatti while the others had eaten
three or four.

Before treatment at the tertiary care hospital was started, samples of
serum
and gastric fluid were obtained from case 1 for Clostridium botulinum toxin
mouse assay. Samples of the wheat flour, chapatti, spices, and oil used in
the meal and samples of faeces and gastric fluid from case 1 were cultured
anaerobically for C botulinum. The results of toxin bioassay and culture
for
C botulinum were negative. The neurological features of the patients and
the
history of insecticide spraying prompted the collection of gastric aspirate
from case 1 for toxin and chemical analysis. The gastric aspirate was
positive for organophosphate.1 This positive test result was achieved seven
days after case 1 had been admitted to the tertiary care hospital.

Food samples from the shared lunch, including leftover chapatti, wheat
flour, spices, and oil, were also sent to the toxicology laboratory for
analysis. Culture and toxin assay of the sample of chapatti and wheat flour
were negative for C botulinum, but an organophosphate compound was
detected.
The remaining foods were negative for toxins and chemicals.

Discussion

In developing countries, the widespread use of organophosphates has been
accompanied by an appreciable increase in the incidence of poisoni

[CTRL] Monsanto

[1lls0081]

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>Justice reviewing Monsanto's Delta & Pine
>Land buy
>
>WASHINGTON, Feb 11 (Reuters) - The Justice Department's antitrust
>team is still reviewing life sciences firm Monsanto Co.'s (NYSE:MTC -
>news) deal to acquire cotton seed maker Delta & Pine Land Co.
>(NYSE:DLP - news), a government spokeswoman said Thursday.
>
>``We are reviewing it,'' the spokeswoman said, adding she could not say

>anything more about the case because it's
>pending.
>
>When asked how much longer it will take for Justice to consider the
case,
>the spokeswoman replied, ``We don't give
>timelines.''
>
>Monsanto, whose products include Roundup herbicides and Nutrasweet
>artificial sweeteners, agreed in May to acquire
>Delta and Pine Land in a stock swap.
>
>Analysts say the deal could raise red flags at Justice because Delta
and
>Pine Land is the largest U.S. cotton seed maker,
>and Monsanto's Stoneville cotton unit is the second biggest. Monsanto
said
>in January it planned to auction Stoneville
>in early 1999, a move analysts said would bring it closer to government

>approval of the acquisition.
>
>But company officials also said they had nothing new to report.
>
>``The conversations are ongoing with the Department of Justice,'' a
>spokeswoman for St. Louis-based Monsanto said.
>
>

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[CTRL] Senate Vote

[Bill Richer]

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Dear Friends:
  Just a few minutes ago President William Jefferson Clinton was
acquited of all wrong doing!  Here is how the vote went.

1st Article

Guilty  Not Guilt
45 55


2nd Article

Guilty  Not Guilt
50 50

   In my opinion this is a very sad day in America!  To quote from FDR, "This
day will live in infamy!"  For today we were not bombed by the Japanese or any
other foreign power, but today we realize that our so called elected officials
do not stand for truth but for some agenda that has not come to full light yet
and that our media with their magical lying polls is part of this big lie!  We
in a sense have been bombed by lies and from those within our country whom we
put our trust to govern us!  This is far worst than being bombed by a enemy
from without!  May God have mercy on America!

God Bless
Bill

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[CTRL] UNITED STATES SENATE IN DISGRACE

[Mike Moxley]

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THE UNITED STATES SENATE IN DISGRACE …AND LOVING IT!
by Norman Liebmann

History is not famous for being kind, but it has shown its mercy in
allowing the Founding Fathers not to be witnesses to the Senate's
dishonor. The Senate has demanded and will find its rightful place in
the bowels of ignominy. Its members were charged with determining
whether two hundred pounds of out-of-control erectile tissue should
continue to degrade the office of the Presidency. Only among this
gaggle is this a matter with nuances. One finds it reasonable the
designation "Senate" derives from the Latin word "senility." Being a
Senator is a kind of on-the-job-retirement, a category for which the
AARP has printed no brochure.

If the Clinton trial were a mystery movie, Americans would already
have walked out. The entire nation knows "who dunnit?" but the Senate
is still going through the motions of trying not to find out. (Now you
know why film smells that way when they burn it.) With the verdict not
yet in, Clinton has promised the Senate he will not gloat. It is an
insult so gross, we can only expect the Senate will do everything
within its authority to deserve it.

It is admirable to have the courage of your convictions. Lamentably,
this Senate has the convictions of its courage. It is a white O.J.
jury bent on Constitution-nullification. The question is no longer, do
Clinton's crimes rise to the level of impeachment, but why can't the
Senate rise to it. The sham trial of William Jefferson Clinton will be
remembered as "The Cop Out at the O.K. Corral."

Fear is the crazy glue that binds these solons together. You know
there is some inner fortitude lacking when the Senate starts each
session by reciting "The Cringe of Allegiance." The legend above the
Senate chamber's door should read, "Through these portals pass the
most pompous mice in the world." This is a Senate that would be
congenial to the politics of ancient Rome at its most decadent, and
they are ready to treat the nation to an epic convulsion of
conscience. In a supposedly open society this Senate wheels and deals
behind closed doors more than Mafia; just one of the many devices it
uses to exhaust Americans beyond caring. If the Senators do not act
with integrity it's because he have none to act with.

The U.S. Senate likes to call itself "the world's greatest
deliberative body." Apparently, it does not discern a disparity
between "deliberative" and "hesitant." The Senate is a Home for the
Chronically Indecisive, Incontinent, and Integrity Bereft. It's
members have a foxhole mentality, and when they saw this coming, they
jumped in and pulled the hole in after them. Their natural state is
one of intellectual vapor lock. Hence, they have never encountered a
problem it felt couldn't be "waited out."

The rules of the game of cricket are more abstruse and convoluted than
Einstein's time-space continuum, but simple pie compared to the rules
of the Senate. (Characteristically, baseball is absurd to the "Brits"
because its rules do not require each player to carry an umbrella.)
Still, every Senator holds in reverence at least Rule 1 of Senate
procedure. i.e.- "A Senator must keep talking until he thinks of
something to say." The rest is embroidery. (In floor debates, most
Senators prefer to debate themselves, which they feel gives them a
"home court advantage.")

These Doges of the Senate's principal objective is to boost the
chamber from a quaint talking shop to a cavernous hangar whose echo
can make small talk sound like oratory. The actual discourse involves
caressing each other with verbal peacock feathers, the extending of
cheap courtesies, and stringing the Senate chamber with mucous
compliments; in short, telling each other what a great bunch of guys
they are. It's a cheap trick but it works for them. In truth, they
lack the courage and integrity to insult each other, as properly they
should, and they lack the wit. This last is unpardonable.

We are coming to the end of the Great Integrity Scavenger Hunt, to
decide if the Senate has the guts to say Clinton's crimes reek to the
level of impeachment. No one is surprised these political hacks, who
spent all that time and money to get into the Senate, are now running
for the hills. Ten seconds after they swore not to make up their minds
before hearing all the evidence, their verdict was inscribed on
asbestos and on its way to a Nevada landfill where it is sure to
create an environmental hazard. Sir Thomas More, Robert Bolt's "man
for all seasons", took a trip to the chopping black for embarrassing
King and Council with his indefectible character. As none in this
clutch possesses More's qualities, no Senator will suffer the same
fate (irrespective of how much it would improve his appearance.)

At this writing the Senate is considering a "bi-furcated verdict."
Nobody knew what a bi-furcated verdict was until Barney Frank
explained, it's someone who "furcates" both ways. (The White House
considers Frank the

[CTRL] The Socialist Monsters

[Mike Moxley]

 -Caveat Lector-

THE SOCIALIST MONSTERS
By: Bob Momenteller

They advocate the nationalization of education, health care,
transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and
law enforcement. This is the progressive agenda of the Democratic
Socialist of America. (DSA's Progressive Agenda) It is also right out
of the pages of history. It is 1933 and Hitler and his Brownshirts
were advocating the precise same list to be nationalized under the
"The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany", the official name
of the Nazi party.

"We are socialists because we reject an international economic order
sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender
discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence
in defense of the status quo."

"We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international
social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms
to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a
healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality,
and non-oppressive relationships."

This is in part, the creed of the Democratic Socialists of America. A
strong arm of the DNC and a scary organization that has become
increasingly pragmatic in carrying out their agenda over the last 25
years. (The DSA) Indeed, their organization now boasts 58 members of
Congress. Such notable idiots include, Rep. Barnery Frank (D-MA), Rep.
John Conyers(D-MI), Rep. Jerrold Nadler(D-NY), Rep. Charles
Rangle(D-NY), and Rep. Maxine Waters(D-CA). The entire membership list
is available here .


THE PRODUCT OF DISINFORMATION

The association of the Nazi party to right wing conservatives couldn't
be further from the truth. The Republicans are often compared to Nazis
because of their attempts to reduce the size of government and federal
spending. They have been called racist by the party of the minority,
much like the KKK is synonymous with the words right wing.

While the Democratic party hides behind their label, in truth, they
are the modern day Nazi Party. They will make the claim that Nazism is
"Fascism", but Fascism is nothing more than a figment of Stalin's
imagination. Stalin ordered the Nazis to be called Fascist to define
the line between National Socialist and Stalin's Soviet Socialism. In
the final analogy, the Nazis were not Republicans, nor were they right
wing patriots, they simply were left wing Socialist monsters.

As Horowitz points out, "For two hundred years, the Left has
controlled the political language. The fact of this control is not
often noted, but the effect on all political battlefronts is profound.
For two hundred years leftists have advanced an agenda which is
totalitarian in both intention and result. During the French
Revolution leftists invented genocide in their zealous campaign to
eliminate Catholicism by exterminating Catholics in the Vendee.
Leftists have created the most monstrous tyrannies known to man. It
was leftists who created the gulag, and who perfected the purge. Yet
we use the terms "progressive" and "liberal" to describe them. What is
"liberal" about leftists, except their attitudes towards sex? Leftists
are the architects of the V-chip and the ratings system; leftists
would like the state to be your doctor, and only the state. Leftists
want to prevent you from smoking, take away your firearms, scrap your
SUV. And what is progressive about people who are running on
two-hundred-year old doctrines and constitutionally incapable of
learning from their mistakes?"

A SHORT LESSON FROM HISTORY

The term Nazi is short for National Socialist. It means to
"nationalize". During the early days of Hitler's struggle,  they gave
themselves this name." The National Socialist Workers Party of
Germany", the official name of the Nazi Party.

Not unlike today's Democratic platform, Hitler's Nazi Party advocated
the nationalization of education, health care, transportation and
national resources, etc.

Hitler came to power by turning the unemployed working class against
the Conservative old order. He was bringing Germany back from the
political chaos and economic ruin of the 1920's and was regaining it
to its rightful place among great the powers. He gave them work and
brought them out from a depression. He was able to create the
idealism's of being a member of the elite Nazi Party as the fashion of
the day to the poor and uneducated. He was able to turn public opinion
and the press against the conservative republic. To be a Nazi was the
right thing to do. Being a Nazi was politically correct. Membership in
the party was especially held dear to the educators and the press.
Anyone who would dare question the ideology or policies of the Nazi
Party were labeled, "Conservative Reactionaries".

The spin machine was in full swing with false reports of terrorism on
the horizon. Jews, Bohemians and Gypsies were reported to be arming
themselves to over throw the government. These terrorist were
everywhere. The Nazis dema

[CTRL] [prj] Yo, Frosty . . .

[nessie]

 -Caveat Lector-

>While crime is a different thing than stupid, stupid people commit
more crimes.

Stupid criminals get caught more often than smart ones. This skews the
statistics. Smart criminals never show up in the records. Also, we
must always remember that what is and is not a crime is purely
arbitrary, the choice of whoever happens to be in power at the time.
It depends as well on which side of an equally arbitrary line on a map
one stands.


>People who make them selves stupid, make me pay higher insurance.

>People who make them selves stupid, make me pay higher taxes.

Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. Are you saying that there are
sick people out there, people who need help, and you care about them
only in so far as how much money it's going to cost you? Yet at the
same time you have the unmitigated gall to cast yourself as morally
superior? I suggest, sir,  that you "pluck the beam from your own eye"
first, THEN criticize the morals of others if you must.

"Even as ye have done it unto the least of these thy brethren ye have
done it unto me."

Aside from that, if you are so base and shallow that all that matters
to you is money, consider this. Before prohibition, when drugs were
cheap and legal, drug users as a group contained no higher percentage
of thieves, murderers and rapists than any other cross section of
society. If anything, they committed fewer crimes because they tended
to stay home and lie still whenever possible. Prohibition turned them
over night from some of the most inoffensive, unaggressive, minders of
their own business around into a plague of locusts upon the land
solely because they don't share the typical senator's taste in
intoxicants. The cost to society, even if measured in law enforcement
expenses alone, is enormous.

Junkies, who in the last century were most likely to spend their free
time watching their feet, have become an army of unelected tax
collectors, stealing from the rest of us to line the pockets of the
narco-terrorists in the intelligence community and their fascist and
Nazi suppliers. They cheapest and most humane way out of the
corruption and crime spawned by this unwisest of laws is to legalize
ALL psychoactive drugs, making any problems that arise for the user a
matter between him and his doctor as is the case with all other drugs.
Thus, like problems that arise with drugs that are legal today, the
expense would be borne by the individual directly effected and the
rest of us could sleep soundly behind unlocked doors in the sure
knowledge that most crime had ceased.

Before prohibition crime was the province of an extremely small
percent of the population. There were problems, to be sure, but by
today's standards they were minuscule. The majority of America's
prison population is there for drug law violations. The majority of
the rest are in for economic crimes that never would have occurred
were it not for prohibition.

Who wins? The major suppliers, their pet politicians and those in our
government (and not a few of their friends on the "outside") to whom
the rise of fascist dictatorship at the expense of personal liberty is
an appealing notion and who have no need to invent excuses or cast
about for other scapegoats as long as they have drug users to kick
around. Fascists NEED scapegoats. As even a cursory perusal of history
abundantly illustrates, their role in fascist ascendancies is
ubiquitous. Without scapegoats fascists remain marginalized. With
scapegoats they ascend to power. When somebody has internalized a
scapegoat centered ideology and is unable or unwilling to reveal it's
source, the best educated guess we can make is that they learned it
from fascist and  crypto-fascist propaganda.

Ask yourself who benefits when fascist ideologies spread.

Hint: Not the rest of us


>You can tell a dirt bag when they create different standards than
they have for themselves,

Do you mean like when some how people get to decide what is allowed to
happen in the privacy of another's home and some aren't?


>so what do you say to this law... When some drunk kills someone's
little kid, the drunk should be made sober and their kid be tied to a
tree and hit by a car.

I'd say you were a VERY sick man for even thinking of such a thing.

But by the same logic I could also say that if you get to tell me what
drugs to take, I get to tell you what drugs to take. After all, fair's
fair, isn't it?


>After all we know liberals believe in equality don't they?

Your LSD like leaps of reason confound me. What, are you tripping or
something? What on earth, pray tell, ever made you think I'm a
liberal? I have my faults, as do we all, but I'm certainly no liberal.
I have little respect (and no use whatsoever) for liberals as people
and  nothing but disgust for liberalism as a philosophy. Liberals are
the judas goats of fascism, self righteous, meddling busybodies out to
oppress me "for my own good," not unlike yourself (or at least that's
how you're sounding).

Are 

[CTRL] L&J: How they voted

[Mike Moxley]

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>Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:16:55 -0500
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>Roll Of U.S. Senators' Votes On Impeachment
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>
> Reuters [OL]
>
> Friday, February 12, 1999 12:54PM
>
>
>WASHINGTON (Reuters) via NewsEdge Corporation -
>
>Following is a full list of how the 100 U.S. Senators voted on the two
>articles of
>impeachment against President Clinton Friday. There are 45 Democrats (D) and
>55 Republicans (R):
>
>- PERJURY OBSTRUCTION
>
>- OF JUSTICE
>
>Abraham, Spencer (R-Michigan) yes yes
>
>Akaka, Daniel (D-Hawaii) no no
>
>Allard, Wayne (R-Colorado) yes yes
>
>Ashcroft, John (R-Missouri) yes yes
>
>Baucus, Max (D-Montana) no no
>
>Bayh, Evan (D-Indiana) no no
>
>Bennett, Robert (R-Utah) yes yes
>
>Biden, Joseph (D-Delaware) no no
>
>Bingaman, Jeff (D-New Mexico) no no
>
>Bond, Christopher (R-Missouri) yes yes
>
>Boxer, Barbara (D-California) no no
>
>Breaux, John (D-Louisiana) no no
>
>Brownback, Sam (R-Kansas) yes yes
>
>Bryan, Richard (D-Nevada) no no
>
>Bunning, Jim (R-Kentucky) yes yes
>
>Burns, Conrad (R-Montana) yes yes
>
>Byrd, Robert (D-West Virginia) no no
>
>Campbell, Ben Nighthorse (R-Colorado) yes yes
>
>Chafee, John (R-Rhode Island) no no
>
>Cleland, Max (D-Georgia) no no
>
>Cochran, Thad (R-Mississippi) yes yes
>
>Collins, Susan (R-Maine) no no
>
>Conrad, Kent (D-North Dakota) no no
>
>Coverdell, Paul (R-Georgia) yes yes
>
>Craig, Larry (R-Idaho) yes yes
>
>Crapo, Mike (R-Idaho) yes yes
>
>Daschle, Thomas (D-South Dakota) no no
>
>Dewine, Mike (R-Ohio) yes yes
>
>Dodd, Christopher (D-Connecticut) no no
>
>Domenici, Pete (R-New Mexico) yes yes
>
>Dorgan, Byron (D-North Dakota) no no
>
>Durbin, Richard (D-Illinois) no no
>
>Edwards, John (D-North Carolina) no no
>
>Enzi, Mike (R-Wyoming) yes yes
>
>Feingold, Russell (D-Wisconsin) no no
>
>Feinstein, Dianne (D-California) no no
>
>Fitzgerald, Peter (R-Illinois) yes yes
>
>Frist, William (R-Tennessee) yes yes
>
>Gorton, Slade (R-Washington) no yes
>
>Graham, Bob (D-Florida) no no
>
>Gramm, Phil (R-Texas) yes yes
>
>Grams, Rod (R-Minnesota) yes yes
>
>Grassley, Chuck (R-Iowa) yes yes
>
>Gregg, Judd (R-New Hampshire) yes yes
>
>Hagel, Charles (R-Nebraska) yes yes
>
>Harkin, Tom (D-Iowa) no no
>
>Hatch, Orrin (R-Utah) yes yes
>
>Helms, Jesse (R-North Carolina) yes yes
>
>Hollings, Ernest (D-South Carolina) no no
>
>Hutchinson, Tim (R-Arkansas) yes yes
>
>Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-Texas) yes yes
>
>Inhofe, James (R-Oklahoma) yes yes
>
>Inouye, Daniel (D-Hawaii) no no
>
>Jeffords, James (R-Vermont) no no
>
>Johnson, Tim (D-South Dakota) no no
>
>Kennedy, Edward (D-Massachusetts) no no
>
>Kerrey, Robert (D-Nebraska) no no
>
>Kerry, John (D-Massachusetts) no no
>
>Kohl, Herb (D-Wisconsin) no no
>
>Kyl, Jon (R-Arizona) yes yes
>
>Landrieu, Mary (D-Louisiana) no no
>
>Lautenberg, Frank (D-New Jersey) no no
>
>Leahy, Patrick (D-Vermont) no no
>
>Levin, Carl (D-Michigan) no no
>
>Lieberman, Joseph (D-Connecticut) no no
>
>Lincoln, Blanche (D-Arkansas) no no
>
>Lott, Trent (R-Mississippi) yes yes
>
>Lugar, Richard (R-Indiana) yes yes
>
>Mack, Connie (R-Florida) yes yes
>
>McCain, John (R-Arizona) yes yes
>
>McConnell, Mitch (R-Kentucky) yes yes
>
>Mikulski, Barbara (D-Maryland) no no
>
>Moynihan, Daniel (D-New York) no no
>
>Murkowski, Frank (R-Alaska) yes yes
>
>Murray, Patty (D-Washington) no no
>
>Nickles, Don (R-Oklahoma) yes yes
>
>Reed, Jack (D-Rhode Island) no no
>
>Reid, Harry (D-Nevada) no no
>
>Robb, Charles (D-Virginia) no no
>
>Roberts, Pat (R-Kansas) yes yes
>
>Rockefeller John (D-West Virginia) no no
>
>Roth, William (R-Delaware) yes yes
>
>Santorum, Rick (R-Pennsylvania) yes yes
>
>Sarbanes, Paul (D-Maryland) no no
>
>Schumer, Charles (D-New York) no no
>
>Sessions, Jeff (R-Alabama) yes yes
>
>Shelby, Richard (R-Alabama) no yes
>
>Smith, Bob (R-New Hampshire) yes yes
>
>Smith, Gordon (R-Oregon) yes yes
>
>Snowe, Olympia (R-Maine) no no
>
>Specter, Arlen (R-Pennsylvania) no no
>
>Stevens, Ted (R-Alaska) no yes
>
>Thomas, Craig (R-Wyoming) yes yes
>
>Thompson, Fred (R-Tennessee) no yes
>
>Thurmond, Strom (R-South Carolina) yes yes
>
>Torricelli, Robert (D-New Jersey) no no
>
>Voinovich, George (R-Ohio) yes yes
>
>Warner, John (R-Virginia) no yes
>
>Wellstone, Paul (D-Minnesota) no no
>
>Wyden, Ron (D-Oregon) no no
>
>PERJURY: No-55, Yes-45
>
>OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE: No-50, Yes-50
>
>
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Re: [CTRL] Senate Vote

[Brown, Jeremy]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hail to the Chief!

Party tonight in the Lincoln Bedroom. All Interns welcome. Cigars will be
provided.

Big Macs and Cheetos for everyone!!


> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Richer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 1:03 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Senate Vote
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Dear Friends:
>   Just a few minutes ago President William Jefferson Clinton was
> acquited of all wrong doing!  Here is how the vote went.
>
> 1st Article
>
> Guilty  Not Guilt
> 45 55
>
>
> 2nd Article
>
> Guilty  Not Guilt
> 50 50
>
>In my opinion this is a very sad day in America!  To quote from FDR,
> "This
> day will live in infamy!"  For today we were not bombed by the Japanese or
> any
> other foreign power, but today we realize that our so called elected
> officials
> do not stand for truth but for some agenda that has not come to full light
> yet
> and that our media with their magical lying polls is part of this big lie!
> We
> in a sense have been bombed by lies and from those within our country whom
> we
> put our trust to govern us!  This is far worst than being bombed by a
> enemy
> from without!  May God have mercy on America!
>
> God Bless
> Bill
>
> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
> ==
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> screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing!  These are sordid
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> outright
> frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor
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> spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
> gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
> readers;
> be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
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>
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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] fw: Net Cleanup]

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Either that, or your heads...

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Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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<<
 Well, there is a solution to that one. . And the Republican party found it
some years
 ago. Hire actors to run for the presidential officeto be the front
guys...to smile
 pleasantly and look good while someone else runs the show >>

Good one, snoOwl.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog

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Personally, I think you're both crazier that a pair of long tailed cats in a
room full of rocking chairs. What do you have to say to that?
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>  ago. Hire actors to run for the presidential officeto be the front
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Re: [CTRL] ******** ATTENTION - SPECIAL PROGRAM ************

[flw]

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-Original Message-
From: nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>" The Plot To Overthrow FDR "
>
>The true conspiracy by some of America's
Corporate Elites
>to overthrow FDR and install a much admired
Fascist government
>based on those of the European Fascists in Italy,
Spain, and
>Germany.


Hmm. Fascists plotting against A fascist
president.
Those damm fascists just can't get along I guess.
flw

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[CTRL] War On (Some) Drugs = Rape?

[nessie]

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>Why is it like rape? Why is it not like rape? It what way are they
similar? In what way are they different? It appears to me that both of
you need a lesson in rhetoric.

I did NOT say it was "like rape." Please don't put words in my mouth.  I
said it was "precisely and exactly the same  thing AS rape."  This is
quite different from  being "like rape."  Really. Check in Strunk and
White.

Sorry if I was confusing; I'll try to be plainer. I am  not saying that
"somebody else, not you, deciding what goes and does not go into your
body" IS rape.  I'm saying that it and "rape" are both varieties of the
same thing.  The "thing" in this case is "an imposition of the will of the
strong on the bodies of the weak by force or by threat of force."

Perhaps you find this definition overly broad. It does, after all, define
everyday life for most people. Perhaps you don't mind being trapped in a
world where your time, the very stuff of life itself, is a commodity and
where you and I are basically livestock, owned, herded, fleeced and
slaughtered by the tiny handful of men with any real power, a world where
even drawing breath and eating means that  carcinogenic toxins enter your
body against your will. Perhaps you hold the inherent sanctity of your
right by birth to  your own physical autonomy in so little regard that
only the most egregious violations even offend you. Perhaps you think the
definition of "rape" should be limited to "forced penetration." OK, let's
see  how it looks then.

Rape isn't about penetration of your body's orifices vs. no penetration
penetration of your body's orifices. Rape is about not being able to
choose for yourself whether or not it happens.  So too is  being told (at
gunpoint, no less) which drugs MUST enter your body and which drugs  MUST
NOT enter your body.  The defining element of the interaction is not the
ingestion or the failure to ingest the pot, the Laetril,  the anthrax
vaccine, whichever  biowar toxin the government happens to be testing on
us this week, or whatever. The defining element is the gun.

I honestly thought that calling it a "thing" would make it easier for
people to understand. Frankly, I'm fairly amazed that anybody smart enough
to hook up a modem would find the familial resemblance of rape and the War
On (Some) Drugs as anything else but self evident. I am not referring to
cavity searches, either. If bodily cavities were as far into our bodies
and lives that the WO(S)D reached, it would be essentially a subcategory
of rape in the same way that rape with an object is a subcategory of rape.

But no. These corrupt, self righteous, hypocritical, fascist stooges
aren't satisfied merely to be able to force their way at gunpoint into
your most intimate orifices. Given the chance they'll reach clear into
your veins and take your blood,  just as if they owned it. Perhaps they
do. Even in his most paranoid moments,  Orwell never imagined that one day
Big Brother would routinely search inside people's bladders for evidence
of thought crime. But here we are. Not only are the defining activities of
both rapists and drug warriors merely separate instances of the same
"thing," the perps are the same kind of people. They  are unwelcome
intruders using force to impose their will on bodies not their own. Bad
enough to share a world with people like this, but to give them political
power is folly most grave.

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[CTRL] Phone mix-up puts B.C. town in impeachment debate

[Richard Sampson]

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Phone mix-up puts B.C. town in impeachment debate
REVELSTOKE, B.C., Feb 12, 1999 (The Canadian Press via COMTEX) --
Residents of this Rocky Mountain town literally have an inside line on
what Americans think about Bill Clinton's impeachment.

Through a mix-up in the long-distance phone lines between the United
States and Canada, Revelstoke's community centre has been getting calls
intended to give Americans an outlet for their views on the Clinton
situation.

Alan Chell, Revelstoke's parks and recreation co-ordinator, said the
phone calls have been coming in since December.

At least 1,000 calls have come through the community centre.

''Around Christmas the phone was really mixed-up,'' he said.

''We were getting 100 calls a day from all over the United States.''

The number of calls dropped off over the weeks but Chell still found
himself answering four calls last week.

''It's slowed down now,'' he said. ''We're not sure it's that because
interest (in Clinton) is dying out or if the problem is getting
corrected.''

Callers from Pennsylvania, Vermont, New York and other states either
ask it they've reached an NBC-TV phone-in line or start right away
giving  their opinions of the Clinton issue, said Chell.

''What we found out is the American public definitely likes to take the
opportunity to let their thoughts be known,'' he said.

When they learned where their call ended up, reactions were mixed, he
said. Often it was ''Where is Revelstoke?'' and ''Where is British
Columbia?''

''One woman said, 'You're so lucky to live in Canada where normal
things go on,''' Chell said.

Officials of the American TV network had no comment on the mix-up.

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Re: [CTRL] UNITED STATES SENATE IN DISGRACE

[Mark Maloney]

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So who cares about Clinton's sexual peccadilloes anymore???

Our government has already wasted too much time on this trivial crap,  and at
long last we Americans are finally going to be able to bid it adieu.


What do we elect our Congressman to do,  anyhow?  I thought they were elected
to solve problems.  Instead they've been wasting their (and more importantly,
OUR)
precious time preoccupied   by a sordid private affair that has affected
nobody except those immediately involved in it.  In the meantime,  these
clowns have left important matters (the environment,  foreign affairs,
education,   Social Security, etc., etc.) to rot on the vine.

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Re: [CTRL] The Existence Of Freewill (Formerly AOL Conspiracy?)

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<<  If choice
 is an illusion, then all human concerns based on choices become illusory.
 Good and evil cease to exist, since they depend on choice. Obviously, God,
 with all His claims on us, would also cease to exist. Determinism would
 rule. Nothing would matter. >>

It is an illusion IMO.  All things exist now in their eternal state, they must
exist so since nothing can cross from finite to eternal.  All matter, and all
we perceive, as well as so-called "natural law" is but an illusion of
collective perception.  It cannot be denied since it is an aspect of the
"reality" that we live in which we all create to one degree or another.  Thus
gravity is true and you can't disregard it.  All things are of one substance
but not of one nature, since "consciousness" exists on an individual basis as
well as a collective one.  We are merely parts of the greater whole of the
totality of creation, not truly independent and self conscious and aware, just
under the illusion that we are.  Nothing matters.
Teo1000

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[CTRL] Raw Meat Irradiation Rules Unveiled by USDA

[Lyn McCloskey]

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Friday February 12 3:56 PM ET

Raw Meat Irradiation Rules Unveiled By USDA

By Bob Burgdorfer

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (Reuters) - The Clinton administration unveiled rules
Friday for treating raw meat with irradiation to kill dangerous foodborne
diseases, calling it an important new tool to protect consumers.

The announcement came amid a string of recent recalls by U.S. companies of
hot dogs, lunchmeat, milk and other foods tainted with a deadly strain of
listeria. The eruption of recalls in the past few weeks has forced the U.S.
Agriculture Department and the Food and Drug Administration to intensify
food safety efforts.

``When it comes to food safety, there is no silver bullet,'' Agriculture
Secretary Dan Glickman said. ``But used in conjunction with other
science-based prevention efforts, irradiation can provide consumers an
added measure of protection.''

Glickman unveiled the proposed irradiation rules during a speech to the
National Cattlemen's Beef Association. The rules will not be finalized
until later this year, and would not require any U.S. company to adopt the
technology.

Irradiation treats food with brief doses of gamma rays or electron beams.
The procedure would add up to five cents per pound to the cost of ground
beef, according to USDA estimates.

The technology could have destroyed a dangerous strain of listeria that
recently contaminated hot dogs and lunch meat made by a Sara Lee Corp.
(NYSE:SLE - news) plant in Michigan, according to experts. The outbreak was
blamed for 16 deaths.

But the USDA's new guidelines apply only to raw meat, and do not allow
irradiation of packaged and processed products like hot dogs. ``We believe
the ability to irradiate ready-to-eat foods after they are packaged is a
critically important step,'' said American Meat Institute president Patrick
Boyle.

Consumer groups, which have clamored for better food safety technology,
have been lukewarm about irradiation.

While irradiation effectively kills sickness-causing bacteria such as E.
coli 0157:H7, listeria, campylobacter and salmonella, it can leave products
with a slightly ``off taste,'' according to some groups. Another issue is
ensuring worker safety around radiation equipment.

The labeling of irradiated meats is also likely to trigger wrangling
between industry and consumer groups.

``If in fact the technology is safe and doesn't change the product, we as a
scientific organization don't see the rationale for it to be on the
label,'' said Dane Bernard, a vice president of the National Food
Processors Association.

The USDA's proposed rules would require the international radiation symbol
on labels plus a statement indicating the product was treated with
irradiation.

Consumer groups want the information prominently displayed in large
typeface so shoppers know what they are buying.

``There are a group of consumers who will never buy irradiated foods
because they want fresh, natural and minimally-processed foods. There is
another group of consumers like nursing homes and day-care centers who
would seek out irradiated foods,'' said Caroline Smith de Waal, food safety
expert with the Center for Science in the Public Interest.

``Then there is the vast body of consumers who don't fit into either
category and we don't know how they will react,'' she added.

The Food and Drug Administration, which has jurisdiction over all foods
except meat and poultry, is expected to launch its own review next week of
how to label irradiated products, industry sources said. The FDA has also
promised to speed up its review of new food additives to destroy food
bacteria.

Labeling is a key issue because of the meat industry's hesitation to invest
in irradiation equipment unless it believes consumers will be eager to buy
the product. Test marketing of irradiated products will be launched soon
after USDA finalizes its new rules.

The USDA rules were a long time coming. After seven years of study, the FDA
declared irradiation to be safe in December 1997. The USDA then took
another 14 months to put together proposed rules for how to use the
technology.

Irradiation was developed a generation ago by Pillsbury Co.to prepare safe
food for U.S. astronauts. The technology has been used on spices, cereals
and other foods for years.

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[CTRL] Marine Gives Up In Anthrax Protest

[Lyn McCloskey]

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Yahoo! News
California Headlies
Wednesday February 10 6:57 AM ET


Marine Gives Up In Anthrax Protest - (SAN DIEGO) -- A Camp Pendleton Marine
gives himself up to military authorities in San Diego in a public
demonstration against mandatory anthrax vaccinations. Lance Corporal Jason
Stark surrendered to authorities at the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar
after a 73-day absence. The Marine left his unit after being ordered to
take the anthrax vaccine. Some Marines have expressed concerns about
possible side effects... such as sterility or cancer. Stark is petitioning
the Marine commandant for a full inquiry into the vaccine's safety. He says
he's willing to take a dishonorable discharge rather than get the shots.

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Re: [CTRL] fw: Net Cleanup

[Edward Britton]

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All I wanna know is why June isn't up in arms about this latest scam-spam.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

Edward   ><>



At 11:45 AM 2/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
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>In addition, you must be wary of any viruses that result in the following
>
>1) Turning your screen saver into screen captures from "Dream a Little
>Dream"
>
>2) Every time you sign off, your computer says "Dave...what are you
>doing?my mind is goingI can feel itI can feel it"
>
>3) Having your computer start running on "Windows 1895" where the monitor
>must be lit with a kerosene lamp and all e-mail is conducted via the pony
>express.
>
>4) Your password is now "Joshua" and your computer continually asks "How
>about a nice game of chess?"
>
>5) Every time you try to play another round of  "Doom", you can only play
>"Pong"
>
>6) Your desktop theme is now the coveted "Menudo" theme.
>
>Be on the lookout.
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[CTRL] New Rockefeller Propaganda Hides Eugenics Agenda w/Environmentalism

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Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 4:05 PM
Subject: Rockefeller's propaganda profile rising to "operational levels" for
UFO efforts.


Propaganda film about Laurance Rockefeller released; acclaimed by usual
suspects.

(Note: Ever since Rockefellers' goons gunned down miners and workers in
Colorado, the effort to "paint 'em green" has continued, in philanthropy,
conservation and in the areas of "myth management" and application of "new
thought" to American culture. It is to these folks we owe many of the
unhappily bad ideas with which our culture now wrestles, and from which we
have a "socio-cultural infrastructure" that is addicted to the philosophical
and political positions which facilitate excessive political influence by
these monied "priest-kings" and their acolytes, a dangerous "self-anointed"
elite.

Most recently, Joseph Campbell's religious deconstruction of our culture was
funded primarily by Laurance Rockefeller, whose "conservation" is a
neo-pagan
camouflage.
And his irresponsible promugation of so-called "Eastern medicine," thrown
like
a sop to our population increasingly deprived of adequate health education
or
medical care, promotes a system of myths, legends and superstitions aimed at
tribalizing the U.S.

It is their "shadow sides" we ought to examine, expose and hold accountable.
Their "environmental senses" began in the times when Laurance's mother and
her
circles were influential with "eugenics" and that kind of "selective
breeding"
that was picked up and taken to "embarrassing lengths" (for the practice's
American advocates) by the Nazis under Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler and their
industrialist-benefactors. And in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and America,
they sought to diminish the growth and spread of populations deemed
"inadequate" by these "Queens of the Industrial Age."

Blacks were not even considered "human" in the same way by these elite
ladies.
It was the influx of "Irish, Hungarians, ghetto Jews, Polish, Slavs" and
others, imported to work their husbands' steel mills and coal mines, that
these fine ladies believed it was necessary to "cull and improve." They
caused
their husbands to fund atrocities.

Even in Britain were major philosophical initiatives propelled by a
crashingly
stupid science which sought to "hybridize" the "Eastern Races" thought by
leading lights of the day to be "incapable of us civilizing" and, "for the
most part, 'retarded' as a race."

Before their madnesses were reversed, 27 American states plus a dozen
European
countries had policies of involuntary sterilization for "unacceptable
populations." And the definition of who could reproduce and who could not
was
in the hands of a few.

This work is still present. It has evolved into the "Population Councils,"
and
the "Zero Population Growth" and Planned Parenthood movements of today.
Facilitated by the "free-sex" libertinism, followed by subliminal child-
sacrifice in "prophylactic abortions for convenience," and in celebrations
of
"harmess pagan rituals" in Bohemian Grove and Council Groves, they bely an
emergent neo-pagan 21st Century techno-facism.

And their hired "deep ecologists," many in Rockefellers' employ, strive to
cloak in a high-faluting academic camouflage what remains of a  proto-Nazi
non-science. Most members of current environmental advocacy and "population"
groups and new "peace movements" do not know of this. It is not trumpeted by
their, direct-mail marketers.
The Church of Rome knows it, but can't say so in America. Evangelicals don't
know.

Native American history is lionized, yet trivialized and sanitized. European
refugees, who came seeking freedom and choice in America from tyrannical
European states, are redefined as interlopers, invaders, rapists of pristine
lands, destroyers of cultures.
The least educated and most fearful elements of our increasingly fragmented
culture are "wrought up" with fears and conspiracies then aimed at each
other
to seed chaos and disorder, rending our nation while rendering us highly
vulnerable, but from within.

Here too we can see again the "painting green" of Laurance Rockefeller's
deeper-held world views, from which he and his peers and minions conduct a
societal warfare on human cultures which are not deemed, by Rockefellers and
their "eco-philosophical partners," to be worthy of life on what they
believe
is an increasingly crowded planet.
Likewise their post-Cold War gambits promulgating "world peace;" in reality
"stasis."
And their goal, and that of their European oligarchic friends, is to
paralyze
exporting of the American Revolutionary principles of Jefferson, Madison,
Franklin, and replace them with the egomaniacal "realpolitik" of a
Kissinger,
a Greenspan and Rockefeller.

This film is propaganda, and it will be unsuccessful in "rehabilitating" the
Rockefeller image beyond those who already pay obeisance to his and his
brothers' networks of power, unelected,

[CTRL] The Joshua Report #19 ("Hillary vs. 'Enemies of the State' ")

[M Shrum]

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This weeks "Joshua Report" can be found at the site below.



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Re: [CTRL] Prince William Believes Lady Di Murdered

[Sno0wl]

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On 11 Feb 99, , Brian wrote:

>   WILLIAM BLAMES CHARLES FOR DIANA'S DEATH
>
>
>
>The Globe
>Joe Mullins
>January 26, 1999
>
>

>" He'll never get over the tragedy.  He's like a volcano waiting to
>explode."


Well, if he feels like THAT, let's just see if he makes it to his 21st birthday.



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Re: [CTRL] Tobacco

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Y'know - you had me... right up until the last line.  Why would the "police
state" intentionally push a product onto the black market where, as you
illustrate so clearly, they would receive no tax dollars from it?  Waging the
publicity war against a product such as tobacco would have to be for someone's
gain (a point could easily be made that society is to gain, but as I am also a
smoker, I'll claim the American 5th).  Let's look at your logic for a second
here...

You seem to be ascerting that sugar consumption directly causes diabetes.
Diabetes info can be found quite easily (the following excerpt was taken
directly from the ADA web-page at:  http://www.diabetes.org/ada/diabetesinfo.asp
), and confirms what I've always felt to be true - the anti-sugar thing I was
plagued with as a glucose junkie pre-teen, is nothing but urban legend.  I
distinctly remember my mother telling me I'd wake up blind one day (diabetes
*can* eventually lead to blindness) from all the sugar I heaped on my
Coco-Puffs...
What Causes Type 1 Diabetes?
We do not know exactly what causes diabetes. We do know that people inherit a
tendency to get diabetes. But not all people who have this tendency will get
the disease. Other things such as illnesses must also come into play for
diabetes to begin.

Immune-mediated diabetes (formerly called insulin-dependent diabetes) is a
disease that affects the way your body uses food. Immune-mediated diabetes is
also called type 1 diabetes.  In type 1 diabetes your body destroys the cells
in the pancreas that produce insulin, usually leading to a total failure to
produce insulin. It typically starts in children or young adults who are slim,
but can start at any age.  Without insulin, your body cannot control blood
levels of sugar. And without insulin, you would die. So people with type 1
diabetes give themselves at least one shot of insulin every day.

Ok - so, by this definition, after you've already contracted Type 1 Diabetes,
you can't handle your sugar.  Sugar didn't cause a problem until after you
became diabetic.

What about Type 2 Diabetes?
Type 2 diabetes used to be called non-insulin-dependent diabetes. The most
common type of diabetes, it affects about 15 million Americans. Nine out of ten
cases of diabetes are type 2. It usually occurs in people over 45 and
overweight, among other factors.

When you have type 2 diabetes, your body does not make enough insulin. Or, your
body still makes insulin but can't properly use it. Without enough insulin,
your body cannot move blood sugar into the cells. Sugar builds up in the
bloodstream. High blood levels of sugar can cause problems.

Medical experts do not know the exact cause of type 2 diabetes. They do know
type 2 diabetes runs in families. A person can inherit a tendency to get type 2
diabetes. But it usually takes another factor such as obesity to bring on the
disease.

Again, by the definition given above, I don't believe a person's intake of
sugar (none, normal or vast quantities) has a direct effect on their
contraction of diabetes.

Lastly, there's one other type of Diabetes recognized by the ADA:

What Is Gestational Diabetes?
Pregnant women who have never had diabetes before but who have high blood
glucose levels during pregnancy are said to have gestational diabetes.
Gestational diabetes affects about 4 percent of all pregnant women, about
135,000 cases in the United States each year.

Again - sugar intake is not indicated as being the cause of diabetes.

On to Stevia, your solution to the evils of sugar...
This one was a little more difficult to find 'real' information on, and nowhere
could I find someone saying it was any better for you than natural cane sugar.
Though Stevia has not been approved for use in the United States by the FDA,
because of inadeqate information to demonstrate its safety as a food additive,
it is available in health food stores and on the internet for personal use.
These businesses get around the FDA's ban on using stevia as a sweetener, by
misrepresenting that they sell stevia as a "dietary supplement," which is not
subject to the existing food additive regulations.

The medical advisors at Children with Diabetes are unaware of any valid use of
stevia as a "dietary supplement" as it contains nothing of nutritional value.

My own personal feelings on the subject are (please bear in mind that this and
the following paragraph culminate years of subscribing to men's health
magazines and journals; I am not a dietician, just someone with a crude plan
thats work pretty well for me) that if all we wanted out of a sweetner was
sweetness, the world probably would've adopted this Stevia stuff long ago
through the normal commercial manner (Dow Chemical would've patented a
synthetic version of it).  But the interesting thing about it is that Sugar
provides us with tons of quick-burning energy, and that's what we crave when we
look for something sweet.  Heck - I know I'm guilty - every day I take anywhere

[CTRL] The Reasons We Have Gun Rights

[Gavin Phillips]

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www.devvy.com/arm.html#SOFC


It's no accident that a
country can be most free
and most armed
Charley Reese
of

The Sentinel Staff
Published in The Orlando Sentinel, Jan 31 1999

Do you believe that people have a right to overthrow the
government with force and violence? If you say no, then
you need to study your American history. The basic
premise of the American Revolution, beautifully spelled
out in the Declaration of Independence, is that people
have not only the right but, under certain circumstances,
the duty to overthrow a government. Let's examine what
is the true American philosophy as spelled out in that
document.
In the first paragraph, it is stated that "laws of nature and
of nature's God" entitle people to assume a separate and
equal station among the powers of the Earth. In other
words, self-determination. In the second paragraph the
basic premises of the Revolution are laid out:
1. All men are created equal and endowed by God with
unalienable rights; 2. governments are instituted to secure
these rights; 3. the only just authority of any government
is the consent of the governed; 4. when any form of
government becomes destructive of these ends
(protecting rights and governing only by consent), people
have a right to alter or abolish it.
The third paragraph states that it is prudent not to change
governments for light or frivolous reasons, but when a
long train of abuses and usurpations show a clear design
to reduce people to despotism, " . . . it is their right, it is
their duty, to throw off such a government."
When you understand this, then it becomes crystal clear
why the right of private citizens to keep and bear arms is
included in the Bill of Rights. A just government, securing
the people's rights and acting with their consent, has no
need to fear an armed citizenry. James Madison, in
refuting a European friend's pessimistic view of America,
boasted, "unlike your governments, we are not afraid for
our citizens to have arms."
I have called the right to keep and bear arms the canary
of American liberty because when government seeks to
disarm its citizens, it plainly intends to take away their
freedom. No movement in America should so alarm
Americans as the gun-control movement, because its
true aim has nothing to do with crime but everything to
do with disarming honest and decent Americans.
Machiavelli, the first and smartest of the political
advisers, once said of the Swiss that they were "the most
armed and most free people in Europe." That is still true.
And it is no accident that liberty and private arms
co-exist in the same country.
A small percentage of people will abuse the right to keep
and bear arms, just as all rights and privileges are
abused. So what. A little crime is a small price to pay for
freedom. Many wise men have warned that those who
prefer security to liberty will lose both.
You think that criminals are bad? You don't know what
bad is until you're the victim of a criminal government.
You should talk to people who have lived under criminal
governments and survived before you swallow the bilge
being poured down your throat by Handgun Control Inc.
and its lapdogs in the press.
And remember, rights come from God, not from
government. The Constitution does not grant anyone any
rights. It merely acknowledges already-existing rights.
The American citizen does not owe the government for
his rights. The government owes him the duty to protect
his rights. We are a free people by the grace of God.
We are governed with our consent for the sake of
convenience.
Too many politicians are arrogant to suit me. They
should remember that not all Americans have been
Europeanized. The flame of liberty may be turned low,
but it has scorched more than one despot and can flame
forth again. [Posted 01/30/1999 6:54 PM EST]

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[CTRL] Is President Clinton a Sociopath? (http://www.therighter.com/column/dsm.html)

[Peter L. Sroufe]

 http://www.therighter.com/column/dsm.html
 Is President Clinton a Sociopath.url

Re: [CTRL] ******** ATTENTION - SPECIAL PROGRAM ************

[Howard R. Davis III]

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nurev wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Friday 8pm ( E.T.) on the History Channel.
>
> " The Plot To Overthrow FDR "
>
> The true conspiracy by some of America's Corporate Elites
> to overthrow FDR and install a much admired Fascist government
> based on those of the European Fascists in Italy, Spain, and
> Germany.
>
> They made just one teeny weeny mistake. They asked General
> Smedley Darlington Butler, the most famous and revered military
> man in America at the time to lead the vast number of Vets
> and active duty soldiers that they hoped would take part in the
> coup.
>
> He saved this country. Major General Smedley D. Butler was a
> three time winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor, and a
> famous hero of the Spanish American War and W.W.I.
>
> How is it that hardly anyone has ever heard of him?
>
> Don't miss this opportunity! The few books about Smedley Butler
> are out of print and very difficult to come by. This is one of
> the MOST SUPPRESSED chapters in our history. It is one of the
> foremost examples of  corporate treason in a long history of
> corporate treason which goes on to this day.
>

   I have a book by Smedley Butler called "War is a Racket". It is a
short book, but very well written. He pulls no punches. Basically he
says that the wars that he had served in were scams to enrich the major
industrial corporations. He sighted the profits of many companies and
contrasted that to the pay of the average soldier who actually fought
the wars. It is a very hard hitting little books. It may still be
available. Perhaps from the John Birchers.
   Butler was also a strong opponent along with Lindbergh with whom, I
believe, he often spoke at rallies opposing the entry of America into
WW2. That is probably why you don't hear a lot about him. Was this
mentioned on the program you mention above?

Howard Davis

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[CTRL] Fw: The PLA shocked at Clinton's willingness to put USA at risk.

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Interesting Asian take on Clinton.
Offered for informational purposes only.
flw

Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 11:04 AM
Subject: The PLA shocked at Clinton's willingness
to put USA at risk.


>The New Australian
>By Zhang's Column
>No. 105,  1-7 February 1999


>Many readers have asked whether there is more to
Chinese officials calling
>Clinton "nanren men zai hua sheng dun" (our man
in Washington)* than just
>mandarin-like smugness. Surely, they wonder,
there is something more
>sinister afoot. Yes, is the answer, but not in
the way they have construed
>it. What is not generally understood is that
Beijing's 'control' over
>Clinton has been exercised by exploiting his
venality, arrogance,
>intellectual vanity and immoral nature. As keen
students of history (I do
>not mean that dialectical nonsense) with an
unbroken cultural tradition
>extending back several thousand years, they have
become astute judges of
>character. (An invaluable faculty in an
environment where only the ruthless
>rise to the top and where an erroneous character
assessment has been known
>to prove fatal).

>This is why Clinton's secret meeting with
high-ranking PLA officers have
>gone so well for Beijing. Unlike Clinton and, to
put it bluntly, his policy
>hacks Chinese officials have cultural continuity,
a fierce nationalist pride
>and a sense and feel for history. For them, there
is no short-term
>gratification; each move, tactic and manoevre is
designed to promote the
>long term interest of the Middle Kingdom.** These
people have only
>justifiable contempt for the Clinton
administration's student-sixties view
>of the world. A view that could have dire
consequences for the West if it is
>not dealt with. I have no doubt it will come as a
surprise to Clinton's
>supporters to learn that Beijing officials have
the greatest respect for
>Harry Truman. Here was a man who stood up for
America, valued its
>traditions, never mocked its history or
achievements and had no illusions
>about its enemies, recognising their true nature.

>The danger does not come from communism, which is
truly dead in China, it
>comes from crude nationalism: the kind that
fuelled Nazi Germany and
>motivated the Japanese military. Just as the
economic mismanagement and
>political incompetence created conditions for the
rise of Naziism, so a
>similar chain of events might arise in China.
None of this is understood in
>the kindergarten that was once called the Oval
Office. Instead of standing
>fast with China's reformers, offering them
unstinting support, making clear
>there would be no truck with warlords, Clinton
chose to abandon them.
>There is no doubt that Clinton allowed military
technology to be sold to the
>PLA for campaign funds and other 'measures'. Not
a soul in Beijing questions
>this view. Even some within the PLA were shocked
at the willingness of the
>Clinton political machine to put at risk the very
survival of its country.

>But perhaps what caused them the greatest shock
(though a pleasant one) was
>that Clinton, his advisers and business
supporters were incapable of
>understanding the nature of their offence. It was
literally beyond their
>understanding. Disconnected from any moral
moorings and totally alienated
>from the traditions and history of their own
country, they were adrift in a
>cultural vacuum. No wonder Chinese officials
could not believe their luck.
>However, these officials are not fools. They know
just how rapidly the
>American mood can swing, something the Korean War
taught them. But they also
>recognise that there exists in America a very
strong isolationist
>undercurrent that runs in tandem with an even
stronger tradition of
>patriotism. The trick is to stroke the former
without provoking the latter.
>In this respect they have been remarkably lucky
in the person of William
>Jefferson Clinton, the most narcissistic, pliable
and corrupt president in
>the history of the United States. By occasionally
rattling the sabre at
>Sadam while simultaneously gutting America's
military machine he has not
>only diverted attention from events in China he
has also weakened America's
>ability to deal with an aggressive Chinese
military dictatorship should one
>emerge.

>I firmly believe it is only because the American
media is dominated by the
>dregs of the sixties and seventies that Clinton
has been allowed to escape
>the just consequences of his destructive
behaviour. What depresses me, and
>so many informed Chinese, is that the American
public is yet to see through
>man; to realise the mortal danger he may very
well have placed it. Do not
>get me wrong. I am not suggesting for a moment
that PLA generals are
>planning a first strike. What could happen is
that some of them might
>mistake Clinton's cowardice and moral degeneracy
as representative of the
>nation and act on the assumption that aggression
does indeed have its own
>rewards, just as Japan did in the 1930s. Remember
that Hitler was absolutely
>convinced that Britain was so

[CTRL] Fwd: DRCNet Alert, 2/10/99

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Alamaine Ratliff wrote:
>

> The CDU campaigned on an openly racist platform. In face of heavy
> opposition within the CDU itself, their candidate for state premier
> initiated a campaign against the introduction of a new citizenship law by
> the federal government. Under certain conditions, the new law would enable
> immigrants to acquire a German passport without giving up their original
> nationality. It would also guarantee children born in Germany the right to
> citizenship.
>

   I don't believe that it is possible to have citizenship in the US and
another country at the same time. Am I wrong about this? If I am correct
does that make our country racist on that basis? Are you suggesting that
if a bill were placed before Congress to make it possible for US
citizens to also have citizenship in another country that anyone who
campaigned against such a law would be by definition a racist?

Howard Davis

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[CTRL] Mysterious spray on Atlanta train sends passengers to hospital

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Mysterious spray on Atlanta train sends passengers to hospital

Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press

ATLANTA (February 12, 1999 12:44 a.m. EST
http://www.nandotimes.com) - Twenty-one people were hospitalized after
an unidentified man sprayed an unknown substance on a commuter train
during the Thursday evening rush hour.

The fumes caused chest pains, respiratory problems and eye irritation
among the victims, who were given oxygen and then washed down with a
water and bleach solution before they were transported to a hospital.

All but one of the victims, who included the train driver and five paramedics,
were released late Thursday. A 14-year-old boy remained in guarded
condition in intensive care with breathing problems.

"He's having difficulty breathing. We're trying to save a life and make sure
he doesn't have respiratory failure," Dr. Philip Shaye told WAGA-TV.

The 20 who were released were given green hospital scrubs to wear
because their clothes were confiscated by the FBI to identify the sprayed
substance, said Barbara Vogel, an administrator at Grady Memorial
Hospital.

Several hours after the incident, the substance that was sprayed was still
unidentified.

"It could be as simple as pepper spray, or any type of fume that could be
airborne, that could cause individuals to have these type of symptoms," fire
department spokeswoman Connie Smith said.

Authorities did not know whether the individual who sprayed the substance
had boarded the car involved or had sprayed it and then walked away.


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[CTRL] CHINAGATE..

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Subject: CHINAGATE..
From: "JM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, Feb 12, 1999 6:40 PM
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Red Star Over the White House
by William Norman Grigg
‘‘It’s just about sex!" runs the refrain of Bill Clinton’s defenders, and a
distressingly large portion of the American public has been willing to sing
along. The second verse, which debuted during the impeachment debate in the
House of Representatives, runs as follows: "Bill Clinton’s conduct in the
Lewinsky affair disgraced the Presidency, but it didn’t rise to the level of
impeachment." By the time the impeachment of President Clinton was an
accomplished fact, the public, suffering from acute scandal fatigue, had
lost interest in the entire sordid affair and desperately wanted Congress to
extract itself from what Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) called the "salacious
muck" of the Lewinsky matter.
Whatever the outcome of the Senate trial, William Jefferson Clinton has
secured his inglorious place in history as the first elected President to be
impeached — and deservedly so. Perjury, obstructionism, and abuse of
presidential power to conceal the sexual exploitation of a young subordinate
are offenses of sufficient magnitude to merit Mr. Clinton’s removal from
office. Had the President any respect for the office he holds, or any
concern about the best interests of the country he purports to lead, he
would have resigned no later than January 1998, when the Lewinsky scandal
was first made public.
Tactical High Ground
Yet it must be understood that — improbable though it may seem — the
impeachment of Bill Clinton was a triumph of spin control. By making his
personal depravity the central focus of the impeachment debate (although he
was impeached for his subversion of the rule of law), Mr. Clinton has chosen
a battlefield in which he and his "secret police" have the tactical
advantage. This is illustrated by the pre-emptive attack on former House
Speaker designate Robert Livingston (R-LA), and the retaliatory attacks
launched by pornographer and presidential ally Larry Flynt.
Lost amid the superficial tumult that characterizes the "politics of
personal destruction" is the fact that the impeachment of Mr. Clinton on
Lewinsky-related charges deferred a much-needed inquiry into the graver
charges that are pending against Bill Clinton — specifically, treason and
bribery, which are specifically cited in the Constitution as grounds for
impeachment. Evidence abounds that Mr. Clinton, in acts of official perfidy
that may be unparalleled in our nation’s history, accepted bribes from Red
China in the form of illegal political contributions, and in exchange made
policy decisions that undermined our national security to the benefit of
that hostile foreign power. The mantra chanted by the President’s lackeys
and partisans is that Bill Clinton’s acts in the Lewinsky matter "don’t rise
to the level" of impeachment or removal from office. Not even the most
chauvinistic of Bill Clinton’s defenders could recite that slogan regarding
treason.
As the sides lined up for the "Trial of the Century" in the Senate, debate
raged as to whether witnesses would be heard, and — if so — who they would
be: Monica Lewinsky? Bettie Currie? Vernon Jordan? Sidney Blumenthal? For
those concerned about America’s national security, the crucial fact was that
the witness list would not include John Huang, Johnny Chung, Yah Lin
"Charlie" Trie, Maria Hsia, Ted Sioeng, or others found on the list of the
more than 100 potential material witnesses in the so-called Chinagate affair
who have fled, invoked the Fifth Amendment, or brazenly refused to cooperate
with investigators. Therein lies the real triumph of Clintonite
spin-control — and a tragic dereliction of duty on the part of Congress.
Open Door to the Enemy
In their masterful exposé Year of the Rat — a volume which will be
prominently featured in this issue of The New American — congressional
investigators Edward Timperlake and William C. Triplett II document that "in
order to gain and hold onto power, the Clinton administration has acted
recklessly, allowing the wrong people to gain access to our most important
political and economic secrets. Any number of Chinese arms dealers, spies,
narcotics traffickers, gangsters, pimps, accomplices to mass murder,
communist agents, and other undesirables … [were] associated one way or
another with the White House and money."
That such a squalid parade was able to buy access to the most intimate
recesses of the White House is shocking and disgusting. But this is much,
much more than merely an offense against aesthetics:
• The Red Chinese military (the so-called People’s Liberation Army, or PLA)
is now able to deploy much more accurate nuclear-armed missiles pointed at
the United States, in large measure because of policy decisions by President
Clinton that have 

[CTRL] Art Hits The Big Time On Tabloid Magazine.

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Art Hits The Big Time On
Tabloid Magazine.
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Subject: Art Hits The Big Time On Tabloid Magazine.
From: "John F. Winston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, Feb 12, 1999 6:51 PM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Art Hits The Big Time On Tabloid Magazine.Feb. 12, 1999.

  I just saw something in a tabloid magazine called The National
Examiner" that was about Art Bell.  This is not the San Francisco
Examiner.  Some people pull their hair out when they have to listen
to something from a pulp magazine.  They say that all they ever
print in lies.  I say picky, picky.  Here we go with the information.
At least they spelled his name right, although they do have a tendency
to stretch things quite a bit.

 SUPERNATURAL
ADVENTURES OF
   RADIO'S ART BELL

  Parhump. Nev. -- Radio talk show host Art Bell holds 20 millilon
listeners spellbound with tales of the supernatural -- many of which
he's lived himself.

  Bell recently created his own mystery when he vanished from the
late-night airwaves, telling fans of his popular Dreamland and Coast
to Coast AM Shows "a threatening terrible event occurred to my family.

  "I'm going off the air and will not return."  Two unexplained weeks
later, the conspiracy king did return, to open his mike to discussions
on alien abduction, out-of-body trips, near-death experiences and more.

  Now Bell's joined forces with Brad Steiger -- leading authority and
author of numerous books on paranormal research, UFOs and true crime --
to pen The Source: Journey Through The Unexplained (Paper Chase Press).

  In this EXAMINER exclusive, we have excerpts from Bell and Steiger's
new best seller in which they reveal their own brushes with the bizarre.

  Bell, 53, recounts the first time he left his body:
  "It was the most incredible thing.  I accelerated right up to the
night sky, but without the physical sensation of moving.

  "There are no words to describe the elation.  You feel ecstasy beyond
ecstasy.

  "The experience just happened -- no paralysis, no strangeness.  It
was absolutely real and I want desperately   to do it again!"

  The paranormal guru (JW  I don't think Art would admit to being that.
He is just interested in the subject), says the only other experience
that came close happened in Egypt. Ever the explorer, Bell was visiting
The Great Pyramid of Giza with a tour group in search of the King's
Chamber.

  To access the Chamber, he crawled up through a small steep tunnel that
opened to a large chamber.  Then, after climbing even steeper steps, he
found the vast, ancient room.

  Wanting to connect with the ancient spirits, he stepped into the
sarcophagus.

  "As I lay down in the coffin, I experienced something I will never
forget.

  "It was as if somehow an ancient coffin made of cold stone had come
to life.

  "I felt what the Egyptians from almost 5,000 years ago must have
felt.  I smelled a musty odor and I thought of the hugeness of the
stone monument in which I was entombed.  The centuries of darkness
endured by that room were so hard to imagine.  "As I lay there, I
felt very small and very human."

  Steiger -- who has spent 40 years studying the metaphysical --
also visited the Chamber and says an eerie, high-pitched tone filled
the solemn place.

  "It was coming   from all around us  --  as though it could enable
those with awareness to connect with higher intelligences.

  "Sadly, the experience prove too much for one lady, who disappeared.
She was later found wandering the streets of Cairo, completely
disoriented."

  Back at home and on the air, Bell says he was astounded to learn that
nearly 80 percent of all Americans believe extraterrestrials have
visited our planet within the past 100 years.

  But he and wife Ramona are two of those believer.  Here's his
firsthand account of their own UFO sighting outside Las Vegas:
  "We were on our way home when Ramona suddenly saw something in the sky
and asked me to stop.

  "I couldn't believe what I saw.  There, hovering over the road
and coming up behind us, was a giant, triangular craft.  It was about
150 feet from one point of the triangle to another -- with one strobing
red light in front and two bright, white lights on each point.

  "This craft did not fly, it floated.  It was dead silent.  And it did
not appear to have an engine.  We gazed at it until it floated across
Pahrump Valley and disappeared in the night sky."

  Because the Bells did not meet or communicate with any aliens, he
calls the experience a Close Encounter of the Second Kind.  And it's
one reason he rarely discredits his callers.

  "Thousands of people seeing the same thing cannot all be wrong,"
he says.  I know that Ramona and I did not imagine our experience. It
was real.

...

Source Of Material: National Examine

[CTRL] Fwd: CFR Senators Vote To Acquitt

[Kris Millegan]

Friday, February 12, 1999 the Senate acquitted Council on Foreign Relations
member President Clinton of all impeachment charges, ensuring he will
remain in office.

At least thirteen of the 100 Senators belong to the Council on Foreign
Relations. Only five republican Senators (Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe
of Maine, Jim Jeffords of Vermont, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and John
Chafee of Rhode Island) joined Democrats in opposing both articles. Two of
the five,  Olympia Snowe and John Chaffee, are Council on Foreign Relations
members.

Eleven Council on Foreign Relations senators opposed both articles of
impeachment. The Roll of Council on Foreign Relations Senator Votes on
Impeachment were:

Graham, Bob (D-Florida) no no
Robb, Charles (D-Virginia) no no
Moynihan, Daniel (D-New York) no no
Dodd, Christopher (D-Connecticut) no no
Feinstein, Dianne (D-California) no no
Kerry, John (D-Massachusetts) no no
Lieberman, Joseph (D-Connecticut) no no
Rockefeller John (D-West Virginia) no no
Torricelli, Robert (D-New Jersey) no no
Chafee, John (R-Rhode Island) no no
Snowe, Olympia (R-Maine) no no
Lugar, Richard (R-Indiana) yes yes
Roth, William (R-Delaware) yes yes

Roll Of All U.S. Senators' Votes On Impeachment Source: Yahoo! News
Politics Headlines
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/pl/story.html?s=v/nm/19990212/pl/roll_1.h
tm
l

Friday February 12 12:54 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Following is a full list of how the 100 U.S.
Senators voted on the two articles of impeachment against President Clinton
Friday. There are 45 Democrats (D) and 55 Republicans (R):

 - PERJURY
OBSTRUCTION- OF JUSTICE

Abraham, Spencer (R-Michigan) yes yes
Akaka, Daniel (D-Hawaii) no no
Allard, Wayne (R-Colorado) yes yes
Ashcroft, John (R-Missouri) yes yes
Baucus, Max (D-Montana) no no
Bayh, Evan (D-Indiana) no no
Bennett, Robert (R-Utah) yes yes
Biden, Joseph (D-Delaware) no no
Bingaman, Jeff (D-New Mexico) no no
Bond, Christopher (R-Missouri) yes yes
Boxer, Barbara (D-California) no no
Breaux, John (D-Louisiana) no no
Brownback, Sam (R-Kansas) yes yes
Bryan, Richard (D-Nevada) no no
Bunning, Jim (R-Kentucky) yes yes
Burns, Conrad (R-Montana) yes yes
Byrd, Robert (D-West Virginia) no no
Campbell, Ben Nighthorse (R-Colorado) yes yes
Chafee, John (R-Rhode Island) no no
Cleland, Max (D-Georgia) no no
Cochran, Thad (R-Mississippi) yes yes
Collins, Susan (R-Maine) no no
Conrad, Kent (D-North Dakota) no no
Coverdell, Paul (R-Georgia) yes yes
Craig, Larry (R-Idaho) yes yes
Crapo, Mike (R-Idaho) yes yes
Daschle, Thomas (D-South Dakota) no no
Dewine, Mike (R-Ohio) yes yes
Dodd, Christopher (D-Connecticut) no no
Domenici, Pete (R-New Mexico) yes yes
Dorgan, Byron (D-North Dakota) no no
Durbin, Richard (D-Illinois) no no
Edwards, John (D-North Carolina) no no
Enzi, Mike (R-Wyoming) yes yes
Feingold, Russell (D-Wisconsin) no no
Feinstein, Dianne (D-California) no no
Fitzgerald, Peter (R-Illinois) yes yes
Frist, William (R-Tennessee) yes yes
Gorton, Slade (R-Washington) no yes
Graham, Bob (D-Florida) no no
Gramm, Phil (R-Texas) yes yes
Grams, Rod (R-Minnesota) yes yes
Grassley, Chuck (R-Iowa) yes yes
Gregg, Judd (R-New Hampshire) yes yes
Hagel, Charles (R-Nebraska) yes yes
Harkin, Tom (D-Iowa) no no
Hatch, Orrin (R-Utah) yes yes
Helms, Jesse (R-North Carolina) yes yes
Hollings, Ernest (D-South Carolina) no no
Hutchinson, Tim (R-Arkansas) yes yes
Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-Texas) yes yes
Inhofe, James (R-Oklahoma) yes yes
Inouye, Daniel (D-Hawaii) no no
Jeffords, James (R-Vermont) no no
Johnson, Tim (D-South Dakota) no no
Kennedy, Edward (D-Massachusetts) no no
Kerrey, Robert (D-Nebraska) no no
Kerry, John (D-Massachusetts) no no
Kohl, Herb (D-Wisconsin) no no
Kyl, Jon (R-Arizona) yes yes
Landrieu, Mary (D-Louisiana) no no
Lautenberg, Frank (D-New Jersey) no no
Leahy, Patrick (D-Vermont) no no
Levin, Carl (D-Michigan) no no
Lieberman, Joseph (D-Connecticut) no no
Lincoln, Blanche (D-Arkansas) no no
Lott, Trent (R-Mississippi) yes yes
Lugar, Richard (R-Indiana) yes yes
Mack, Connie (R-Florida) yes yes
McCain, John (R-Arizona) yes yes
McConnell, Mitch (R-Kentucky) yes yes
Mikulski, Barbara (D-Maryland) no no
Moynihan, Daniel (D-New York) no no
Murkowski, Frank (R-Alaska) yes yes
Murray, Patty (D-Washington) no no
Nickles, Don (R-Oklahoma) yes yes
Reed, Jack (D-Rhode Island) no no
Reid, Harry (D-Nevada) no no
Robb, Charles (D-Virginia) no no
Roberts, Pat (R-Kansas) yes yes
Rockefeller John (D-West Virginia) no no
Roth, William (R-Delaware) yes yes
Santorum, Rick (R-Pennsylvania) yes yes
Sarbanes, Paul (D-Maryland) no no
Schumer, Charles (D-New York) no no
Sessions, Jeff (R-Alabama) yes yes
Shelby, Richard (R-Alabama) no yes
Smith, Bob (R-New Hampshire) yes yes
Smith, Gordon (R-Oregon) yes yes
Snowe, Olympia (R-Maine) no no
Specter, Arlen (R-Pennsylvania) no no
Stevens, Ted (R-Alaska) no yes
Thomas, Craig (R-Wyoming) yes yes
Thompson, Fred (R-Tennessee) no yes
Thurmond, Strom (R-

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Subject: ::: BROTHERHOOD OF THE MASTERS :::
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brother Blue)
Date: Fri, Feb 12, 1999 1:05 PM
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::: BROTHERHOOD OF THE MASTERS :::

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 "THERE IS A FORCE WHICH SHAPES MAN'S LIVES, ROUGH HEW THEM
  HOW WE WILL". MEL RICHARDS WONDERS WHO IS REALLY IN CONTROL
  OF OUR MODERN DEMOCRACIES AND UNCOVERS SOME DISTURBING
  SUGGESTIONS"

SOMEWHERE IN THE WORLD THERE is a secret council, whose members
move among us from time to time and have immense influence on the
society around us.  The more charitable have declared these
'Ascended Masters' to have once been humans like ourselves, but
who have now achieved enlightenment and immortality.  Some less
charitable speak of a mysterious cabal of 'Illuminati' who
manipulate multinational business interests and individual will
as part of a plan to bring global society under the heel of a
single world government.  There appears to be circumstantial
evidence for both of these arguments.


::: The White Brotherhood :::

The idea of a secret society of spiritually advanced beings seems
to have emerged relatively recently, alongside the popularity of
the Spiritualist movement during the latter part of the last
century.  Early members of the Theosophists in particular, claimed
to be in communication with members of a lodge of Ascended Masters
hidden deep within the Himalayan mountains.  In 1875 the self-
styled medium Helena Blavatsky claimed to receive messages from
the "Masters of Wisdom and Compassion" which were designed to
enhance the evolutionary development of the human soul.

Blavatsky, the founder of Theosophy, believed that all spiritual
beliefs sprang from a single world religion which the Masters
were encouraging us to rediscover by re-acquainting Western
society with the older spiritual philosophies of the East, as
well as our own mystical traditions.  Ascended Masters were
thought to include spiritually enlightened philosophers such
as Jesus, Buddha and Confucius as well as the previously unknown
Dywhal Khul, with whom Madam Blavatsky was in contact.

In fact Helena Blavatsky may have based her understanding on
even older traditions of immortal master alchemists, who seem
to emerge every few hundred years to reveal the secrets of their
material and spiritual success to struggling initiates, and
revitalise the Rosicrucian movement toward the end of each
century.  The most famous master alchemist is the Comte de St
Germain, a legendary immortal who was the toast of European
courts throughout the 1700s and supposedly took an assumed
identity to spearhead the major rebirth of alchemy at the turn
of the 19th Century -- 50 years after his reported death.  Some
modern Rosicrucians have suggested that St Germain has been
solely responsible for the development of alchemic practise
throughout the centuries and may be due back in time for the
upcoming millennium in the year 2000.  He is believed to have
masqueraded in Paris under the name Fulcanelli as recently as
the 1920s when he warned against the development of atomic
science.  [some may recall Fulcanelli's mysterious remarks
regarding the atrocities of "nuclear alchemy" in Pauwells'
& Bergier's seminal _Morning of the Magicians_ -B:.B:.]

Other Masters have apparently been continuing their contacts
throughout this century, sometimes in unexpected quarters.
Napoleon Hill was a best selling author of self-help books --
including the seminal work Think and Grow Rich -- throughout
the 1940s, '50s and '60s.  However in the later work, Grow
Rich with Peace of Mind, Hill abandons his normal examination
of strategies and examples and devotes a chapter to reporting
an apparent incident of Clairaudience.  He apparently receives
a message from an un-named member of the School of the Masters,
a body of 33 scholars who live in the Himalayas and pass on
instructions for those seeking to becoming an Initiate of the
School and eventually a Master Adept -- in other words,
achieving immortality, spiritual enlightenment and psychic
powers.  This report may tally with the brief reference made
in Bram Stoker's Dracula to a secret mountain school called
the Scholomance, where ten students a year receive esoteric
training based on the mystical knowledge of King Solomon.  At
the end of the course one student of the ten is then obliged
to serve the devil.  Similar auditory contact has been reported
by Sir George King, founder of the Aetherius Society.  King
also accepts the existence of a Great White Brotherhood of 144
Masters, as claimed by Madam Blavatsky, who live in secret
retreats inside mountains and believe they are working to
further the spiritual development of mankind, alongside other
etheric beings from other planets within the solar system.

The Aetherius Society is helping establish new retreats fo

[CTRL] Clinton Cleared

[Teo One Thousand]

 -Caveat Lector-

While I don't agree with the verdict and have some definite thoughts as to
what should be done with Mr. Clinton I am glad that this whole thing is over
because I just can't take any more of the political mutual cover up society in
Washington.  I guess this means we can get back to the real business of
government, like shoving people off of welfare, giving our jobs to cheap child
labor overseas, taking away social security, firebombing Iraq, waging war in
Kosovo, helping the Chinese to better destroy us, steal property from people
under draconian unconstitutional asset forfeiture laws, punish people under
ridiculous drug laws, take away constitutional rights, practice illegal human
experimentation, spray the population with unknown chemicals, make sure our
meat is good and irradiated, approve the use of questionable substances in our
food and water, make illegal the sale of substances that may be beneficial
because they are a threat to the profits of Big Business, give more money to
big corporations, force people to get vaccines that may be harmful, enact FEMA
laws and executive orders bypassing the checks and balances of government, and
etc.
It sure is a good thing knowing that the government can get back to all that
important work.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] CHINAGATE..

[Teo One Thousand]

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This is the real issue that never will see the light of day in any proceedings
against Bill Clinton et al.  The whole China issue was conveniently and maybe
permanently hidden and shoved under the rug by the masters in DC.  Why?
Because the people in Congress are just as responsible for the whole mess as
the President.  When and if Chinese missiles come raining down on us it will
be too late to point the finger then and any gloating one could do by saying
"I told you so," will have lost it's value.
Teo1000

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[CTRL] Third Luciferian Masonic human sacrifice in D.C.

[Kris Millegan]

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Om
K
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Third Luciferian Masonic human
sacrifice in D.C.
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Subject: Third Luciferian Masonic human sacrifice in D.C.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225)
Date: Thu, Feb 11, 1999 7:38 AM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Last week, during the night of Friday to Saturday, February 5 to 6,
Midwinter's Night, the Clerk of the Senate, Scott Bates, met his death as a
result of an automobile "accident".  This is the third human sacrifice
performed by Luciferian Free Masons, since the oblation of the Congressional
Police Officers, John and Jacob, last July 24.  These two were sacrificed on
the day of the New Moon of Leo (i.e., the Lion of Judah) by the "deranged
lunatic" Rusty Weston.

  Of course, July 24 is 7/24, or 7+2+4 = 13, the Luciferian Masonic
hoofprint.  The Officers, John and Jacob, one black and one white, were chosen
for sacrifice because of their names, reminiscent of the brothers John the
Evangelist and Jacob (or James), the sons of Zebedee.  In this way, the
Luciferians pointed out that, though the Officers' skin colors were different,
they were still brothers, having the same color blood, red.  They were
sacrificed close to the Crypt of the Capitol and were laid out in state in the
Rotunda, just above the Crypt.  This action reconsecrated the Capitol building
for the coming ritual sacrifice (Impeachment) of Brother Billy Blythe Clinton.

  The unlucky Scott Bates was sacrificed to reconsecrate the Senate side
of
the Capitol as well, according to clandestine Masonic Scottish Rite usage.  At
the present time, the Impeachment Trial, a re-enactment of the Death and
Resurrection of Hiram Abiff, is scheduled to be completed on Friday, February
12, the birthday of ritual murder victim Abraham Lincoln.  The Trial will
conclude with the Raising (Acquittal) of Brother Bill from the Floor of the
Senate.

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Subject: Re: Third Luciferian Masonic human sacrifice in D.C.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, Feb 11, 1999 9:12 PM
Message-id: <7a0d7g$as1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

In article ,
  "asim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you need help bro
>
>


This is what they are really doing at the Washington Monument. The scaffolds
covering the monument are not for any type of construction work. They have
actually buried the body at the 66 ft level. I heard they were planning to
place an actual eye of Osiris symbol in granite about 2' by 2'  from the
Great Pyramid of Giza to cover up the new tomb covering of the sacrificed
"son of lucifer".

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Subject: Re: Third Luciferian Masonic human sacrifice in D.C.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225)
Date: Fri, Feb 12, 1999 8:41 AM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  KCAJ wrote:

>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: Fri, Feb 12, 1999 00:12 EST
>Message-id: <7a0d7g$as1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>In article ,
>  "asim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> you need help bro
>>
>>
>
>
>This is what they are really doing at the Washington Monument. The scaffolds
>covering the monument are not for any type of construction work. They have
>actually buried the body at the 66 ft level. I heard they were planning to
>place an actual eye of Osiris symbol in granite about 2' by 2' from
the
>Great Pyramid of Giza to cover up the new tomb covering of the sacrificed
>"son of lucifer".

  As you probably know, the Washington Monument  was started by the
Masons.
 At its official Masonic foundation ceremony on July 4, 1850, then-President
Zachary Taylor became very ill.  He succumbed to his occult fate on July 9,
1850.
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] 'PEACE ENFORCEMENT' EXERCISE IN LOUISIANA - 5000 Army, Navy, Marines AND

[Kris Millegan]

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'PEACE ENFORCEMENT' EXERCISE IN
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Subject: 'PEACE ENFORCEMENT' EXERCISE IN LOUISIANA - 5000 Army, Navy, Marines
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From: Koleshak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, Feb 11, 1999 6:05 AM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990211_xex_another_mili.shtml

WorldNetDaily article:

  Another military operation in Louisiana
  5,000 troops conduct realistic maneuvers
  around Fort Polk


  By David M. Bresnahan
  © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

  The long internal struggle in the island country
  of Cortina has resulted in two new republics,
  Cortina and Acadia. A multi-national force has
  been called in to establish peace.

  That's the made up scenario for a massive
  military training exercise now taking place
  over a 200 mile radius of Fort Polk, Louisiana.
  It will conclude Feb. 17, according to a public
  affairs spokesman.

  Over 5,000 strong, forces from the Army, Navy,
  Marines, and foreign military united to take
  part in the training exercise which began on
  Feb. 6.

  The peace enforcement training is being
  conducted by the Joint Readiness Training
  Center. The scenario involves troops acting as
  hostile forces who will not give up the fight
  that has been waged in the fictitious nation.

  The troops will be involved in separating the
  remaining factions, ending the fighting, and
  creating a "zone of separation" between the
  warring parties. They will also be involved in
  negotiations with non-governmental and
  international organizations to bring peace to
  the region.

  Challenges will be thrown at the trainees by
  hundreds of role players who will depict
  refugees, prisoners of war, local citizens, and a
  variety of civilians who need to be handled
  properly. The role players include actual
  representatives from many international and
  non-governmental organizations who will
  participate.

  Participants in the exercise will be located at
  various positions within a 200-mile radius of
  Fort Polk, according to an official release.
  Warnings to hunters in the area have been
  issued, and a special complaint phone line has
  been set up to deal with civilian concerns.

  The "warring factions" will be made up of the
  1st Battalion, 509th Parachute Infantry
  Regiment, opposing troops from the 2nd
  Armored Cavalry Regiment.

  The primary forces being trained come from
  the 3rd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division from
  Hawaii. They will receive support from
  Company C, 1st Battalion, 8th Infantry from Ft.
  Carson, Colorado; 3rd Battalion, 1st Special
  Forces Group, Ft. Lewis, Washington; the 159th
  Corps Support Group, a reserve unit from
  Helena, Montana; along with Air Force units
  from North Carolina, Texas, Washington,
  Massachusetts, and California.

  The exercises are said to be a general purpose
  training exercise with no particular purpose or
  future mission in mind. Much of Fort Polk has
  been closed to the public during the exercise,
  primarily for safety concerns because live
  ammunition will be in use.

  The Joint Readiness Training Center has not
  conducted an exercise of this scale since
  August 1994, when a similar peace training
  exercise was held.

  Military spokesmen claim this exercise is not
  connected to the Operation Last Dance exercise
  currently taking place in parts of nearby Texas.

  "I live about 15 miles away from Fort Polk,"
  Cynthia Lyles told WorldNetDaily. "This
  sounds like martial law training to me, in the
  name of peace, involving reserve units and
  special forces."

  Military spokesmen insisted the training is not
  intended to p

Re: [CTRL] Raw Meat Irradiation Rules Unveiled by USDA

[1lls0081]

 -Caveat Lector-

All natural enzimes and break down bacteria will be killed as well.  From what I
know - Break down bacteria kills e. coli.  This break down bacteria is also what
has allowed us to age our beef.  There is a lot of good bacteria out there too.
Laura
aka The Pied Piper

Lyn McCloskey wrote:

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> Friday February 12 3:56 PM ET
>
> Raw Meat Irradiation Rules Unveiled By USDA
>
> By Bob Burgdorfer
>
> CHARLOTTE, N.C. (Reuters) - The Clinton administration unveiled rules
> Friday for treating raw meat with irradiation to kill dangerous foodborne
> diseases, calling it an important new tool to protect consumers.
>
> The announcement came amid a string of recent recalls by U.S. companies of
> hot dogs, lunchmeat, milk and other foods tainted with a deadly strain of
> listeria. The eruption of recalls in the past few weeks has forced the U.S.
> Agriculture Department and the Food and Drug Administration to intensify
> food safety efforts.
>
> ``When it comes to food safety, there is no silver bullet,'' Agriculture
> Secretary Dan Glickman said. ``But used in conjunction with other
> science-based prevention efforts, irradiation can provide consumers an
> added measure of protection.''
>
> Glickman unveiled the proposed irradiation rules during a speech to the
> National Cattlemen's Beef Association. The rules will not be finalized
> until later this year, and would not require any U.S. company to adopt the
> technology.
>
> Irradiation treats food with brief doses of gamma rays or electron beams.
> The procedure would add up to five cents per pound to the cost of ground
> beef, according to USDA estimates.
>
> The technology could have destroyed a dangerous strain of listeria that
> recently contaminated hot dogs and lunch meat made by a Sara Lee Corp.
> (NYSE:SLE - news) plant in Michigan, according to experts. The outbreak was
> blamed for 16 deaths.
>
> But the USDA's new guidelines apply only to raw meat, and do not allow
> irradiation of packaged and processed products like hot dogs. ``We believe
> the ability to irradiate ready-to-eat foods after they are packaged is a
> critically important step,'' said American Meat Institute president Patrick
> Boyle.
>
> Consumer groups, which have clamored for better food safety technology,
> have been lukewarm about irradiation.
>
> While irradiation effectively kills sickness-causing bacteria such as E.
> coli 0157:H7, listeria, campylobacter and salmonella, it can leave products
> with a slightly ``off taste,'' according to some groups. Another issue is
> ensuring worker safety around radiation equipment.
>
> The labeling of irradiated meats is also likely to trigger wrangling
> between industry and consumer groups.
>
> ``If in fact the technology is safe and doesn't change the product, we as a
> scientific organization don't see the rationale for it to be on the
> label,'' said Dane Bernard, a vice president of the National Food
> Processors Association.
>
> The USDA's proposed rules would require the international radiation symbol
> on labels plus a statement indicating the product was treated with
> irradiation.
>
> Consumer groups want the information prominently displayed in large
> typeface so shoppers know what they are buying.
>
> ``There are a group of consumers who will never buy irradiated foods
> because they want fresh, natural and minimally-processed foods. There is
> another group of consumers like nursing homes and day-care centers who
> would seek out irradiated foods,'' said Caroline Smith de Waal, food safety
> expert with the Center for Science in the Public Interest.
>
> ``Then there is the vast body of consumers who don't fit into either
> category and we don't know how they will react,'' she added.
>
> The Food and Drug Administration, which has jurisdiction over all foods
> except meat and poultry, is expected to launch its own review next week of
> how to label irradiated products, industry sources said. The FDA has also
> promised to speed up its review of new food additives to destroy food
> bacteria.
>
> Labeling is a key issue because of the meat industry's hesitation to invest
> in irradiation equipment unless it believes consumers will be eager to buy
> the product. Test marketing of irradiated products will be launched soon
> after USDA finalizes its new rules.
>
> The USDA rules were a long time coming. After seven years of study, the FDA
> declared irradiation to be safe in December 1997. The USDA then took
> another 14 months to put together proposed rules for how to use the
> technology.
>
> Irradiation was developed a generation ago by Pillsbury Co.to prepare safe
> food for U.S. astronauts. The technology has been used on spices, cereals
> and other foods for years.

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[CTRL] BioWar on The People

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Date:   Tuesday, February 09, 1999 08:50:29 AM
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Subj:BioWar on The People

With respect to the question of the nature of widespread
reports of jets (many identified as U.S. Air Force) that
are spraying something that dozens of people around the
nation claim makes them and their communities sick, the
following testimony of Professor Leonard A. Cole is most
relevant and alarming. In the following testimony before
the U.S. Senate, Dr. Cole covers facts regarding the U.S.
military's spraying of HUNDREDS of populated areas in the
U.S. with harmful chemicals and infectious pathogens as
part of biological warfare experiments. Dr. Cole has
a book on the topic that has received much praise:

"Clouds of Secrecy: The Army's Germ-Warfare Tests Over
Populated Areas," by Leonard A. Cole (http://amazon.com)

Environmental News Service reports on U.S. Air Force
jets seen spraying something that makes people sick:
 http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-12-01.html
 http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html

== BEGIN DR. COLE'S TESTIMONY ===
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   http://personalpages.tds.net/~kknowlto/openair.htm
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United States Senate Testimony before the
Committee on Veterans' Affairs May 6, 1994

Open Air Testing with Simulated Biological
and Chemical Warfare Agents

By Leonard A. Cole, Ph.D.

My name is Leonard A. Cole, and I teach science and public
policy at Rutgers University in Newark. My research interests
include biological and chemical warfare policies, and I have
written in particular about testing done in the U.S Army's
biological defense program.

I appreciate your invitation, Senator Rockefeller, to testify
about experiments involving simulated biological and chemical
warfare agents. These agents, which the army calls simulants,
are intended to mimic more lethal bacteria and chemicals that
might be used in actual warfare.

As described in my book, Clouds of Secrecy, the army began a
program in 1949 to assess the nation's vulnerability to attack
with biological weapons. During the next 20 years, the army
released simulant agents over hundreds of populated areas
around the country. Targets included portions of Hawaii and
Alaska, San Francisco, St. Louis, Minneapolis, New York City,
Washington, D.C., Key West, and many other cities. The purpose
was to see how the bacteria spread and survived as people went
about their normal activities.

Evidence suggested that the tests may have been causing illness
to exposed citizens. Nevertheless, as army spokesmen subsequently
testified, the health of the millions of people exposed was never
monitored because the army assumed that the bacteria and chemicals
were harmless.

Vulnerability testing continues at Dugway Proving Ground, 70
miles from Salt Lake City. Several smaller communities are closer
to the base, and Dugway itself is home to hundreds of civilians
and military personnel and their families. The stated purpose of
the tests is to evaluate biological detector systems and
protective gear.

Since tests involve spraying simulants outdoors, it is important
to understand how much risk they pose to humans who are exposed.
Official statements have not always been dear on this matter. A
July 1993 news release by the Dugway Public Affairs Office
indicates that "no specific safety controls or protection are
required for testing with simulants." The statement implies,
erroneously, that the simulants are harmless.

In fact, during 45 years of open air testing, from time to time
the army has stopped using certain simulants for reasons of
safety. In each instance the army belatedly recognized they
could be causing disease and death, although such information
had long been available in the medical literature. This was
the case in the 1950s when it ceased using the fungus
Aspergillus fumigatus as a simulant. The fungus had long been
known to cause aspergillosis, a disease that can be fatal.
Similarly, in the 1960s the army stopped using zinc cadmium
sulfide, a chemical that had been known for years to cause
cancer.

In the 1970s, the bacterium Serratia marcescens

[CTRL] ::: Brain Books :::

[Kris Millegan]

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::: Brain Books :::
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Subject: ::: Brain Books :::
From: Dan Clore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, Feb 10, 1999 4:55 PM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Brain Books

by Robert Anton Wilson

I have another list that I revise every couple of
months. This is not my "Ten Favorite Books" so much
as a list of the ten books I wish everyone would
read: the ten books I most feel the lack of in people
who otherwise seem intelligent. These books would fill
anyone's cranium with useful information.

In order of priority, the list would begin with:

1. Ulysses by James Joyce. Nobody has really entered
the 20th century if they haven't digested Ulysses. And
if they haven't entered the 20th century, they're going
to fall pretty far behind pretty soon, as we enter the
21st.

There's a guy I correspond with occasionally who spends
all his time fighting with Fundamentalists over Darwin.
He's living in the 19th century; nothing in the 20th
century has affected him yet. He's carrying on the brave
battles of Thomas Henry Huxley a hundred years later. I
know some people who are back in the 18th century - Burkian
conservatives, trying to apply Burke's principles to
modern times. I sometimes do that myself - try to apply
some of Burke's principles. But not all of them! I don't
think he's written in stone either.

At any rate, everyone should read Ulysses to get into the
20th century. And everybody should struggle as much as they
can with:

2. The Cantos, by Ezra Pound. And that means getting to the
last page. You may give up on some pages, and say, "I'll never
figure this stuff out!" But keep going until you get to the
last page. Pound offers something no other writer except Dante
has ever attempted - and Dante does it in a medieval way
that doesn't mean much to modern people. Pound offers a
hierarchy of values. We've heard so many voices from the
East telling us "All is One," and we've got so many puritanical
duelists of all sorts telling us, "No; there's good and bad."
And they all define those terms in their own way: the Christian
"good and evil" duality; the ecologist's "nature good; man bad"
duality; the feminist's "woman good; man bad" duality, and so
on. Against this monism and dualism Pound offers a hierarchy of
values, in which he gives you a panoramic picture of human
history, very much like Griffith's Intolerance, only in it,
Pound shows levels of awareness, levels of civilization, levels
of ethics and levels of lack of all these things. And you
realize that you have a hierarchy of values too, but you've
never perfectly articulated it. Every writer gives you a
hierarchy of values. But by making this the central theme,
Pound makes you face the question, "Will I accept this as the
best hierarchy of values?" I can't, because the guy had a screw
loose. Great poet, but a little bit funny in the head at times,
trying to synthesize Jefferson, Confucius, Picasso and
Mussolini.  So what you've got to do is struggle with Pound, and
create your own hierarchy of values to convince yourself that
you grok more than he did. And he combined genius and looniness.
It's an invigorating book to get you out of dualism, which is
the Western trap, and monism, which is the Eastern trap,
to attain realism: a hierarchy of values.

Another book I wish everybody would read:

3. Science and Sanity by Alfred Korzybski. This one gives you
the tools to enable you to avoid most of the stupidity prevalent
on this planet at present. It won't cure all forms of stupidity,
and you really have to work at it; it doesn't do magic. But if
you use its principles, you'll gradually cure yourself of a lot
of prevalent forms of stupidity. If you work at it hard enough,
you may cure yourself of most. I don't know; I'm still working
at it.

4. Ovid. I wish everybody would read Ovid. The great myths of
our particular culture - the Greek and Roman myths - can't be
found in any one book, except Bullfinch or Ovid, and Ovid has a
much better style than Bullfinch. So read Ovid and get the whole
panorama of classical myth. Classical myth has so much meaning
that it permeates every bit of modern psychology. The myths of
other cultures have much to offer, but we still need our myths.
So we might as well face up to them. It's our culture; let's
not lose it. And let's find out something that happened before
1970.

5. The Canterbury Tales, Chaucer - just because it's so damn
good.

6. Justine, by deSade -- because everyone needs to be shaken up.
Justine asks you some pretty fundamental questions. And you may
not find them easy to answer.

7. Instead of a Book by a Man Too Busy to Write One, by Benjamin
Tucker, which contains the best arguments for minimizing force
and maximizing options; the best argument for extreme Libertarianism
that anyone has put together. He deals with concrete issues in
economics, and makes a damn good case for a maximum of liberty and
a minimum of coercion as a formula fo

[CTRL] ::: Anti-Reptoid Space-Based Laser :::

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

from alt.conspiracy
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Om
K
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::: Anti-Reptoid Space-Based
Laser :::
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Subject: ::: Anti-Reptoid Space-Based Laser :::
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brother Blue)
Date: Wed, Feb 10, 1999 3:21 PM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

::: Anti-Reptoid Space-Based Laser :::

Lockheed, Boeing, TRW Team Awarded Work for Space-Based Laser


Washington, Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- A team consisting of Lockheed
Martin Corp., Boeing Co. and TRW Inc., the nation's No. 1, No. 2
and No. 10 defense contractors, won a $125 million U.S. Air Force
contract to explore ways of making a space-based laser capable
of destroying ballistic missiles.

The award, announced by the Air Force, is the first part of a contract
with a potential value of $3 billion in the next 18 to 24 months. The
contractors will experiment with how to integrate high-energy lasers
and precision optics into a lightweight spacecraft.

The so-called Space-Based Laser is another option the U.S.
Defense Department is considering for a potential defense against
ballistic missiles. Other options include the National Missile Defense
System, consisting of radar and ground-based interceptors, an
Airborne Laser mounted on modified Boeing 747 freighters, Army
ground-based systems and systems on Navy ships.

``The program's objective is to conduct a research effort to advance
and assess the feasibility of the Space-Based Laser concept and
technologies, culminating in a ballistic-missile defense demonstration
in space and assessment of non-ballistic mission utility,'' the Air
Force said in a statement.

The new contract involves only exploring how such a system might
be built, and isn't the first step developing an actual weapon, the
Air Force said.  Deploying a space-based laser is banned by the
1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and would need approval from
the Russian government.

Politically Connected

The work will be performed at Lockheed Martin's Missiles and Space
division in Sunnyvale, California, a Boeing plant in Canoga Park,
California, and a TRW plant in Redondo Beach, California. Lockheed
Martin is based in Bethesda, Maryland. Boeing is based in Seattle,
while TRW is based in Cleveland.

The Space-Based Laser program has the political support of Senate
Majority Leader Trent Lott, the Mississippi Republican, and Robert
Smith, a Republican from New Hampshire and chairman of the Senate
Armed Services Committee's strategic systems subcommittee. They
were instrumental in boosting the administration's fiscal 1999 space
laser request to $167 million from $74 million.

Lockheed Martin shares fell 1 7/16 to 35 15/16. Boeing fell 7/8 to
35 1/2.  TRW shares fell 1/2 to 50 1/8.

18:04:37 02/09/1999

(C) Copyright 1999 Bloomberg L.P.

_
"For sixty bucks, I want a live alien addressing
 the audience these days.  Not the same old bunch
 of windbags gassing on about ancient history."






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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] Fwd: Oy Veh -- The "Religious Right" and Fascism in Israel

[Kris Millegan]

 "Orthodox rabbis have launched an unprecedented political attack on the
Israeli Supreme Court, calling the justices their enemies, because "ignorant
of Jewish law."  (None of the 14 judges on the Supreme Court are ultra-
Orthodox.)
 Rabbis have called on followers to disobey any law based on the court's
rulings.
 Israel's President, who has tried to mediate such disputes in the past,
warned, "There could be a bloodbath ..."


Israel Leader Fears Religious Clash

By JACK KATZENELL
.c The Associated Press

JERUSALEM (AP) -- Israel's founding fathers deliberately avoided an explosive
issue when they chose not to define the role of religion in the state.

But after 50 years, it appears that ultra-Orthodox and secular Jewish Israelis
are gearing up for a showdown over the issue.

Orthodox rabbis, furious with Supreme Court decisions they claim oppose
Halacha, or Jewish law, launched an unprecedented attack this week, calling
the justices enemies and saying they were ignorant of Jewish law.

Orthodox leaders said Thursday they expect hundreds of thousands to join a
protest Sunday against the judiciary. So far, seven secular groups have
applied for police permits to counterdemonstrate.

President Ezer Weizman warned there could be bloodshed if the two camps don't
pull back from the brink.

In statements broadcast Thursday on Israeli radio stations, Rabbi Ovadia
Yosef, leader of the Shas Party, said the justices are ``wicked, stubborn and
rebellious.'' Yosef said ``any 7-year-old'' knows the Torah better than the
Supreme Court.

Over the past year, rabbis have called on followers to disobey court rulings.

Anat Maor, a legislator from the liberal Meretz party, called the statements
``a terrible threat to democracy.''

Weizman, who has tried to mediate such disputes in the past, asked Yosef on
Thursday to back away from Sunday's planned demonstration. ``If I can prevent
a bloodbath -- and there could be a bloodbath Sunday -- it is my duty,''
Weizman told reporters.

Negotiations were expected to continue after the Jewish Sabbath Saturday
evening.

Yehuda Meshi-Zahav, who has organized many ultra-Orthodox demonstrations,
predicted that half a million people would demonstrate Sunday. ``We will show
them that there is no power that can challenge the law of the Torah,'' he
said.

About 30 percent of Israel's Jews consider themselves religiously observant
while about 70 percent are secular. The two camps have long fought over the
role of religion in everyday life.

Recent decisions by the Supreme Court which are especially infuriating to the
ultra-Orthodox community include a ruling that overturned an exemption from
Israel's military draft. Before the decision, students in a yeshiva, a Jewish
seminary, were exempt from any kind of service.

The ultra-Orthodox argue that Israel's judicial system is undemocratic because
judges are appointed rather than elected. Of the 14 judges on the Supreme
Court, three consider themselves to be religiously observant, though none are
ultra-Orthodox.

In government, however, the ultra-Orthodox wield a disproportionate amount of
power and are key members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition.

When Israel's ambassador to Germany told a German magazine in an interview
that Yosef's Shas party was undemocratic, he was recalled and told his posting
would not be renewed.

Trying to calm both sides, Netanyahu said Thursday, ``I think we need to stop
the attacks against the Supreme Court justices and also against the ultra-
Orthodox public. We need to understand that we live here together. If we don't
live here together, we won't live at all.''

[CTRL] Fwd: 02.11.99 RMNews --Senator Kyl Says Tapes Exist of Clinton & Monica

[Kris Millegan]

 From the Offices of:  Rumor Mill News Agency
The Uncensored National Rumor

E-mail Address: Ru [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 02.11.99 RMNews Senator Kyl Says Tapes Exist!

Did An Intelligence Agency Bug
The White House?

For years now, RMNews has been hearing stories about
various intelligence agencies bugging the White House.

One of the first stories to surface regarding this was from
Debra von Trapp. She presented evidence which showed
that the Japanese were eavesdropping on the Oval office.

Another credible story on White House bugging stated that
the Israeli's were bugging the White House. Various other
incarnations of this story have had the Chinese and the
Russians bugging the White House.

RMNews has wondered out loud how many other countries,
or business interests, both foreign and domestic have
bugged the White House. One of the super market tabloids
just ran an article about  call girl who are agents for foreign
countries. These girls supply sex for Washington bigwigs.

The article made me wonder if the President has brought
any of these foreign agents into the White House? And if he
did, could they have left behind a non detectable bug to
eavesdrop on his future conversations?

If Betty Currie brought Monica to the President without
having her cleared through the typical White House
clearing procedures, how many other women have been
brought into the White House this way?

Another point to ponder as you are thinking about how
many women have made it into the White House uncleared:
Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated by a young woman bringing
him a bouquet of flowers. The flowers had a bomb hidden
in them. Both Gandhi and the young woman were killed.

What if a beautiful young woman, who also is a dedicated
Islamic terrorist, is ushered into the White House
uncleared?

She could have enough C-4 plastique in her purse to blow
up the entire White House. Or she could be carrying a large
brief case which contained a "backpack" nuclear bomb.
This type of bomb could level up to six square blocks of
Washington...or more!


Now that the Senate has given the President carte blanche
to do whatever he wants to do...

+  How soon will it be until he has a different girl every
night?
+  How soon will it be until all our National secrets are in
the hands of foreign agents?
+  How soon will it be until one of the President's girls
brings in a package of C-4, anthrax, deadly chemical gas, or
a nuclear bomb?

 In a review of a book by former U.S.S.R. Col. Stanislav
Lunev, journalist Christopher Ruddy states:
 " Col. Lunev is the highest ranking military intelligence
  officer ever to have defected from Russia. He did so in
  1992 after the Soviet Union dissolved and Boris Yeltsin
  had come to power."
   Last year, Lunev detailed just some of his activities in
  a new book he co-authored with Ira Winkler, "Through the
  Eyes of the Enemy: Russia's Highest Ranking Military
  Defector Reveals Why Russia is More Dangerous than
Ever"  (Regnery, (800) 639-7629).

" The book is a light read with some sensational details
  about Russian plans to bring suitcase nuclear bombs into
  America and...

  " to use special forces to assassinate the
 president and congressional, military and other leaders
   during the initial phases of a war.

  Lunev claims in "Through the Eyes of the Enemy" that
  Russian military leaders still view a war with the
  United States as "inevitable" and that the Cold War
  never really ended.


*  How safe do you feel knowing that we have a President
in Washington who has allowed himself to be placed in
positions where he can be blackmailed?

* How safe do you feel knowing that the President is
probably a sex addict and will probably be feeding his
addiction with whatever beautiful girl strikes his fancy...
even a foreign agent.

* How safe do you feel knowing that your President could
be clearing into the White House a foreign agent who is
there to help her country start a war with the United States?

Remember the words of Colonel Lunev and ask yourself if
one of the foreign call girls ushered into the oval office is a
member of an elite  team whose orders are:

  ...to use special forces to assassinate the
 president and congressional, military and other leaders
   during the initial phases of a war.

For years rumors of the White House being bugged by
foreign countries have been flying around. RMNews has
also been told that the White House has been taped by our
own intelligence services.  Now, one lone brave Senator
has the courage to stand up and say the same thing. Will it
do any good? Apparently not.

RMNews is wondering why the Senators are not demanding
that the tapes be produced and heard before the vote is
taken? If there is proof of perjury, obstruction of justice and
treason in the tapes, it will be very bad for the Senators who
refused to let them be found and heard before they took a
vote.

If you want

[CTRL] Fwd: Indonesia/Singapore

[Kris Millegan]

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be published on Sunday evening, but will
resume with our Weekly Analysis on Monday
evening, February 15.
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Global Intelligence Update
Red Alert
February 12, 1999

Habibie Comment on Singapore Foreshadows Indonesian Unreliability

Summary

In an interview with Taiwan media broadcast and published on
February 8, Indonesian President B.J. Habibie discussed
discrimination against ethnic Chinese in Indonesia. Emphasizing
his position that there is no longer any discrimination in
Indonesia, Habibie said, "The situation in Singapore is worse. In
Singapore, if you are a Malay, you can never become a military
officer. They are the real racists, not here." Although intended
to demonstrate the progress Indonesia has made in human rights
under Habibie, the comments were quickly pounced upon by the
Singapore press, which listed several instances contradicting
Habibie's claims. The unforeseen consequence of the statement
demonstrates the extent to which Indonesia's domestic situation
is hampering relations with its neighbors. While this instance
will not likely create a serious breach in relations between the
two nations, it does serve to illustrate the unpredictability of
Indonesia's international relations as it is overwhelmed by a
turbulent domestic situation.

Analysis

Indonesian President B.J. Habibie discussed the treatment of
ethnic Chinese in Indonesia with Taiwanese journalists on
February 6. In the interview, aired on the Chinese Television
Network and printed in the China Times on February 8, Habibie
said there were no longer any discriminatory practices against
ethnic Chinese, as he had rid Indonesia of any remaining
discriminating policies. Expressing how fair things were in
Indonesia compared to elsewhere, Habibie said, "The situation in
Singapore is worse. In Singapore, if you are a Malay, you can
never become a military officer. They are the real racists, not
here. You can go and check it out."

Habibie's comment drew sharp, albeit unofficial, criticism from
Singapore. The New Paper, a government-linked newspaper, wrote on
February 10, "Obviously there is something about Singapore that
irks Dr. Habibie. How else do you explain his latest outburst
against Singapore?" The paper also said, "With general elections
and presidential elections casting a dark shadow on the political
players in Indonesia, Singapore can always be used as the
convenient whipping boy." The New Paper included a list of quotes
from some of Singapore's Parliament members, contradicting
Habibie's remarks. The Singapore paper Straits Times refuted
Habibie's remarks by listing relevant figures and comments
provided by Singapore's military.

Indonesia quickly tried to downplay Habibie's remarks and allay
the concerns of Singapore. Indonesian Education Minister Juwono
Sudarsono, who happened to be in Singapore for a conference,
passed off Habibie's remarks as innocuous. Juwono said, "I think
Singaporean leaders understand that President Habibie has a lot
of learning and unlearning to do about Singapore. He may know a
lot about technology but he may not know about the social and
economic context and since he's a bubbly person, the president, I
think Singaporeans will understand." While Juwono smoothed over
the potential bump in relations between Singapore and Indonesia,
this event brings to light a fundamental problem facing
Indonesia.

Indonesia's intense focus on internal strife is interfering with
its ability to demonstrate finesse in dealing with other nations.
Singapore and Indonesia have had fairly smooth relations
recently, signing a 22-year gas supply deal on January 16. At the
same time, Singapore suggested that it would consider a water
supply deal with Indonesia, decreasing its dependence on
Malaysia. With relations going well, Habibie's charge concerning
race relations in Singapore came as somewhat of a surprise. What
should be noted is that Habibie's comment was not really intended
to be a foreign policy statement. Instead, he was trying to
answer questions about domestic issues, and, in his attempt to
shed a positive light on Indonesia, slammed Singapore without
considering the consequences.

This is a warning of things to come as Indonesia heads closer to
elections and with them a magnification of civil unrest. The
intense introversion of attention by the Indonesian government
has led to a loss of focus on external relations. This creates a
state of uncertainty around Indonesia's ability to remain
consistent in relations with its neighbors. While Habibie's
comments were not intended for Singapore to hear, much less take
offense at, they demonstrate a lack of sensitivity to external
affairs. This is just a small, easily bypassed incident. However,
as the internal situation in Indonesia worsens, the more
unreliable Indonesia may become in its dealings with its
neighbors.

Re: [CTRL] ******** ATTENTION - SPECIAL PROGRAM ************

[Howard R. Davis III]

 -Caveat Lector-

flw wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >" The Plot To Overthrow FDR "
> >
> >The true conspiracy by some of America's
> Corporate Elites
> >to overthrow FDR and install a much admired
> Fascist government
> >based on those of the European Fascists in Italy,
> Spain, and
> >Germany.
>
> Hmm. Fascists plotting against A fascist
> president.
> Those damm fascists just can't get along I guess.
> flw
>

   Yes, this is interesting. Why would certain people from a major bank
approach a known patriot who clearly was not going to lead a fascist
takeover? Why not someone like MacArthur? And then the whole thing comes
out and nothing happens? Perhaps it was spin? FDR attacked by enemies he
had done everything to please by confiscating all American's gold
(except for multi-national corporations)? Sounds fishy.

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] Tobacco

[1lls0081]

 -Caveat Lector-

Normally I do not repost a whole article but I wanted to keep the original with
these links, and to anyone that thinks that Stevia is not worth while - why would
they be afraid that it would take over the Aspartame market?
Laura
aka The Pied Piper

sugar # http://members.bellatlantic.net/~boncom/whatseatingkids.htm # msg,
aspartame, stevia Journalists Linda and Bill Bonvie What's eating kids?  Maybe it's
their diet

sugar # http://members.bellatlantic.net/~boncom/sinfullysweet.htm # stevia Blazing
Tattles Sinfully Sweet

sugar # http://members.bellatlantic.net/~boncom/firstamendment.htm # stevia Blazing
Tattles stevia

sugar # http://www.cspinet.org/sodapop/liquid_candy.htm # sugar and aspartame
"Liquid Candy
How Soft Drinks are Harming Americans' Health
 Liquid Candy"

sugar # http://cnn.com/HEALTH/9812/31/health.sugar.reut/index.html #

sugar # http://trufax.org/research/f16.html # Stevia and Natural Sweeteners Leading
Edge Research "Artificial Sweeteners:
Suppression of Natrual Stevia Leaves and the extract Stevioside"

sugar # http://trufax.org/research/f13.html # The Effect of Sugar, Synthetic
Colorings and Flavors on the Brain Leading Edge Research The Effect of Sugar,
Synthetic Colorings and Flavors on the Brain

sugar # http://trufax.org/research/f11.html # sugar, diabetes, hypoglycemia, Leading
Edge Research The Deliberate Use of Refined Sugar to Assist Degenerative Disease

aspartame # http://members.bellatlantic.net/~boncom/mystery.htm # aspartame

aspartame # http://www.vegsource.com/davis/sweeteners.htm # Aspartame and Stevia  A
Tale Of Two Sweetners

aspartame # http://trufax.org/research/f18.html # "Artificial Sweeteners:

Aspartame - NutraSweet - Benevia" Leading Edge Research "Artificial Sweeteners:

Aspartame - NutraSweet - Benevia"

Aspartame # http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/   # Aspartame - Holistic Med
Holistic Med

Aspartame # http://www.dorway.com # Aspartame Information Dorway Com

Aspartame # http://www.w3-mediator.de/mcs/index.htm # Aspartame International
w/links MCS International

Aspartame # http://www.sweetpoison.com/ # Aspartame site and book Sweet Poison Sweet
Poison

Scott Bourassa wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Y'know - you had me... right up until the last line.  Why would the "police
> state" intentionally push a product onto the black market where, as you
> illustrate so clearly, they would receive no tax dollars from it?  Waging the
> publicity war against a product such as tobacco would have to be for someone's
> gain (a point could easily be made that society is to gain, but as I am also a
> smoker, I'll claim the American 5th).  Let's look at your logic for a second
> here...
>
> You seem to be ascerting that sugar consumption directly causes diabetes.
> Diabetes info can be found quite easily (the following excerpt was taken
> directly from the ADA web-page at:  http://www.diabetes.org/ada/diabetesinfo.asp
> ), and confirms what I've always felt to be true - the anti-sugar thing I was
> plagued with as a glucose junkie pre-teen, is nothing but urban legend.  I
> distinctly remember my mother telling me I'd wake up blind one day (diabetes
> *can* eventually lead to blindness) from all the sugar I heaped on my
> Coco-Puffs...
> What Causes Type 1 Diabetes?
> We do not know exactly what causes diabetes. We do know that people inherit a
> tendency to get diabetes. But not all people who have this tendency will get
> the disease. Other things such as illnesses must also come into play for
> diabetes to begin.
>
> Immune-mediated diabetes (formerly called insulin-dependent diabetes) is a
> disease that affects the way your body uses food. Immune-mediated diabetes is
> also called type 1 diabetes.  In type 1 diabetes your body destroys the cells
> in the pancreas that produce insulin, usually leading to a total failure to
> produce insulin. It typically starts in children or young adults who are slim,
> but can start at any age.  Without insulin, your body cannot control blood
> levels of sugar. And without insulin, you would die. So people with type 1
> diabetes give themselves at least one shot of insulin every day.
>
> Ok - so, by this definition, after you've already contracted Type 1 Diabetes,
> you can't handle your sugar.  Sugar didn't cause a problem until after you
> became diabetic.
>
> What about Type 2 Diabetes?
> Type 2 diabetes used to be called non-insulin-dependent diabetes. The most
> common type of diabetes, it affects about 15 million Americans. Nine out of ten
> cases of diabetes are type 2. It usually occurs in people over 45 and
> overweight, among other factors.
>
> When you have type 2 diabetes, your body does not make enough insulin. Or, your
> body still makes insulin but can't properly use it. Without enough insulin,
> your body cannot move blood sugar into the cells. Sugar builds up in the
> bloodstream. High blood levels of sugar can cause problems.
>
> Medical experts do not know the exact cause of type 2 diabetes. Th