[CTRL] HEMPTECH: Hemp News Service Digest

[Dave]

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Dave Hartley
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HEMPTECH: Hemp News Service Digest

   

 ARTICLE:  House Votes to Let Farmers Grow Industrial Hemp
  AUTHOR:  The Boston Globe, MA
DATE:  Thursday, 6 January 19100, at 11:59 a.m.

The bill would let farmers grow hemp after obtaining a permit. The
state would issue licenses to grow hemp and be the sole supplier of
the seed. The state also would regulate the industry.

Pubdate: January 4, 1999 (AP) - New Hampshire farmers should be allowed
to grow industrial hemp under the watchful eye of state and federal
authorities, the House voted Wednesday. House lawmakers narrowly defeated
a move to study the issue tantamount to a polite death, then voted
181-167 to have the Finance Committee review any cost to the state
before bringing the bill back for a final vote.

Hemp is a close relative of marijuana but has a very low content of
THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.

Hemp can be grown only with permission from the federal Drug Enforcement
Administration. But New Hampshire farmers can't get a federal permit
without state agreement.

The bill would let farmers grow hemp after obtaining a permit. The
state would issue licenses to grow hemp and be the sole supplier of
the seed. The state also would regulate the industry. People with
criminal records involving drug offenses within 10 years would not
qualify for a permit.

It was sponsored by Rep. Derek Owen, D-Hopkinton, who lost a claim
in federal court to grow hemp in September 1998.

Opponents argued the measure would make drug enforcement harder because
the hemp plant closely resembles marijuana plants.

Rep. Tony Soltani, R-Epsom, also argued parts of the plant contain
high concentrations of THC.

Why do we need hemp? he asked. "We have rope. We have cotton. We have
plenty of it."

He also said it sends the wrong message to children about drugs.

"A little bit of money is not worth it," he said.

But supporters said that while law enforcement officials worry that
marijuana farmers could hide their crops with industrial hemp plants
to avoid detection, cross-pollination only would diminish the potency
of marijuana.

Supporters also said hemp was an agricultural crop with little relation
to its illegal relative.

"Hemp has been grown for over 2,500 years," said Owen. "It's used
for many, many things. It isn't about drugs."

Hemp is used in a wide range of products, from cars to ropes to
hand-lotions.
The products are sold legally in New Hampshire.

Rep. Amy Robb-Theroux, D-Claremont, said New Hampshire farmers could
be making more money growing hemp than corn. She said hemp production
is a niche market that could help farmers make a profit.

"We have a market for all of our product," she said.

Canada started allowing hemp production in 1998. Farmers planted 6,000
acres, claiming profits of as much as $200 an acre at a time when
growers struggle just to break even on traditional crops like wheat.

   

 ARTICLE:  Hawaii Experimenting with Hemp as Crop
  AUTHOR:  Bruce Dunford, Associated Press, Wahiawa, Hawaii
DATE:  Thursday, 6 January 19100, at 12:06 p.m.



The DEA, which outlined the security measures needed to plant what
federal and state law still defines as illegal marijuana, is no longer
blocking the project, said state Rep. Cynthia Thielen, an Oahu Republican,
who sponsored the bill creating the university research project.

Pubdate: 12/26/1999 State is first to launch test on plant's viability.

Surrounded by a 12-foot-high fence and infrared surveillance, a university
scientist scattered the first seeds in an experiment that will test
the viability of industrial hemp as an agricultural resource for the
state.

"Pineapple and sugar, the double roof of our economy for generations,
have now grown old," House Speaker Calvin Say, an Oahu Democrat, said
as a quarter-acre plot in central Oahu was planted.

"Perhaps in time, we can lead the way in industrial hemp technology
in the same way our technological ability in sugar and pineapple were
unsurpassed anywhere on this Earth."

Because hemp belongs to the same family as marijuana, it has been
illegal to grow in the United States since World War II. While some
states have moved to allow hemp growing, Hawaii is among the first
to get a test project going.

Hemp stalk fibers can be used to make clothing, shoes, building materials,
strong cords and ropes, a substitute for fiberglass, paper "and the
list goes on," University of Hawaii plant geneticist David West said.

Hemp seed oil contains essential fatty acids, protein and other vital
elements, and it is a base for skin and hair care products, said Mr.
West, who will oversee the research.

Hemp production in the United States ended in 1958, and the National
Seed Storage Laboratory, charged with preserving important genet

[CTRL] FW: National Foreign Trade Council V Burma Law: Call Your Attorney Generals

[Dave]

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Dave Hartley
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*
National Foreign Trade Council is trying to block perhaps the only justice
we have left..BURMA LAW Had the courts struck down South Africa-related laws
in the 1980's, Nelson Mandela might still be in prison today.

Burma Law
 NEW ENGLAND BURMA ROUNDTABLE
 Last Push! Call Your State Attorney General to
Support Mass. Burma Law
 ==
 January 5, 2000
 1.Update
 2.Background & Previous Tally
 3.Sample Letter & Talking Points
 4.List of State Attorneys General
 ==
 1.Update
 This is it! This is our last chance to make sure our
state attorneys general sign on to the final amicus brief in support of the
Massachusetts Burma Law.
 On Monday, January 3, the North Dakota Attorney General
Heidi Heitkamp and the National Association of Attorneys General (NAAG)
circulated an amicus brief to all state attorneys general.
 The brief will be filed with the U.S. Supreme Court
arguing the Massachusetts Burma Law in constitutional. It is vital that as
many state AG's as possible sign on to the brief.
 Time is short. Your state attorney general needs to
hear from you by **Friday, January 7th** - if not sooner.
 The deadline for signing the brief is Monday, January
10th.
 If you live outside Massachusetts, please take the
following action:
 1.Fax or overnight a letter to your state attorney
general to arrive by **Friday, January 7th**.
2.  Call your state attorney general's office. Specifically ask for the
assistant attorney general responsible for amicus briefs filed with the U.S.
Supreme Court. Urge the Assistant AG to make sure the state AG signs the
amicus brief led by North Dakota Attorney General Heidi Heitkamp. (Tell them
to call the coordinator of the brief, North Dakota Assistant AG Beth
Baumstark at (701)328-3623.)
3. Encourage your friends, family, co-workers to also make a call. The more
calls the
 better!
 4. If you obtain a response - positive or negative -
from your state AG's office, send a quick email to
 Massachusetts Assistant AG's Tom Barnico at
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and James
 Sweeney at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Tell them
the name of the person to whom you spoke and their response.
 It doesn't matter if you've written or called before.
Please call and/or fax your state Attorney General
 as soon as possible. You'll find phone and fax numbers
below.
 Thank you so much for your help! Let's make this final
amicus brief the best supported yet!!
 Simon Billenness
 *for the New England Burma Roundtable*
 Trillium Asset Management
 711 Atlantic Avenue, Boston, MA 02111
 (617) 423-6655, x225
 (800) 548-5684
 (617) 482-6179 - fax
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.trilliuminvest.com/
 ==
 2. Background & Previous Tally
 On June 22, 1999, the Massachusetts Burma Law was
struck down in federal appeals court. The
 National Foreign Trade Council (NFTC), which represents
major multinational corporations, brought the case. The NFTC claims that the
law is unconstitutional. But this decision - if it stands - would greatly
restrict our ability as citizens to direct how our elected officials spend
our tax money.
 Modeled on similar anti-apartheid statutes, the
Massachusetts Burma Law effectively barred the state from buying goods or
services from companies that did business in Burma. Had the courts struck
down South Africa-related laws in the 1980's, Nelson Mandela might still be
in prison today.
 If the U.S. Supreme Court finds the Massachusetts Burma
Law unconstitutional, it could also affect the constitutionality of similar
laws with regard to Northern Ireland, Nigeria, Tibet, East Timor as well as
laws that restrict state and local purchases of old-growth or rainforest
wood.
 On the last set of amicus briefs - filed in federal
appeals court in
 Boston
 * the following state attorneys general signed on an
amicus brief in support of the Massachusetts
 Burma Law:
 Arkansas
 California
 

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

[Kris Millegan]

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Eagle1-

Poppycock and blather.

In a message dated 1/6/00 8:51:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Kris,
>THIS is how things get so messed up,  especially in this medium.

I love this medium, cause when ya speak ya better be prepared for tomatoes.

>One thing
>I've learned in my six years of internet experience is that if I don't
>know
>much about something,  I usually keep my mouth shut...  (or until I do
>or
>become interested enough to say something intelligent),

Implying your superiority and all us poor ignorant, foolish unbelievers of
the way you believe.


>rather than
>knocking people around for what they believe.  I really don't care if people
>don't believe what I say regarding the Bible.  The Bible will remain true

Aren't you special. Are other people human or do you have the power to make
them human by making them believe the way you do?

Can my truth be different from your truth?

What is true the actual meaning of the words written down sometime by
somebody or what? Which translation? Which mistake is by God? Which by man?
Does it make a difference? The fruit  shows the tree not prayers on the
streetcorner nor gymnastics in scripture.



>regardless of what I believe, you believe,  or anyone else believes.  It's
>just internet netiquette to refrain from belittling someone because of
>what
>they believe.

Are you a goober or do you just play one on the internet?


>
>And by the way...  don't put words in my mouth...  The word Revelation
>means
>'revealing' ...  it is the Revealing of what is to happen in the last days.
>Christ gave the words to be written to John the beloved. The book is JESUS'
>revealing,  REVELATION...  not John's. He was merely the vehicle and was
>divinely inspired to write it.
>
>eagle 1

I wouldn't do that— you make a fool of yourself enough with out my help.

So is the Bible infalliable?

Om
K
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

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[CTRL] [FP] Psychological Persuasion in the New Millennium

[lloyd]

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: ScanThisNews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ScanThisNews Recipients List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FP] Psychological Persuasion in the New Millennium
Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 8:35 PM

==
SCAN THIS NEWS
12.31.99

Psychological Persuasion in the New Millennium

The key phrase to keep in mind in the new millennium is "psychological
persuasion." Study it, understand how it works, learn to recognize it.

Analysis of the FBI's Project Megiddo report reflects the incorporation of
tested and proven techniques of psychological persuasion designed to
discredit specific sets of individuals, groups and philosophies.

Rick Ross is an expert on group psychological persuasion techniques (from
the perspective of both initiators and targets). He knows how propaganda is
used to influence people's thoughts and actions. The FBI and other law
enforcement agencies have, in the past, relied upon Rick Ross' expertise --
including, for example, such tragedies as the Davidian/Waco encounter.

Rick Ross is also implicated in the Project Megiddo report through a
connection to the Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance organization,
credited in the FBI report.

Notice in these excerpts below that Ross goes from explaining how
power-hungry social manipulators use propaganda to malign targeted groups --
even to the extent of controlling the thoughts of whole nations of
peoples -- to his own maligning of certain named groups. Notice too that
these are the same groups and philosophies targeted and maligned in the FBI
Project Megiddo report.

---

The Holocaust: Who Was Responsible?
By Rick Ross

http://www.rickross.com/reference/Art56.html

"Nazi Germany was not the only nation in modern history taken over by a
destructive totalitarian regime [i.e., government manipulators]. ...
Likewise, no nation is immune to the ... powers of persuasion ... ."

-

"The book 'Thought Reform and Psychology of Totalism,' by Robert Lifton
examines former prisoners of war, once held within the prison camps of North
Korea. Lifton outlines how people can be changed and control achieved, by a
process chillingly reminiscent of Nazi Germany and not unlike Orwell's 1984
[and not unlike what is taking place in America]. The process begins with
control of an environment, associations, information, and then demands pure,
absolute commitment to a movement and its leaders [police state]. People are
told to purge thoughts not consistent with the program and a pseudo-science
develops that rationalizes the movement placing its claim and validity
beyond question [evening news]. A special 'loaded language' permeates the
environment filled with 'thought terminating cliches [such as "right-wing
religious extremist terrorists"].' These combined elements lock together
programming individuals and producing a mindset that can control a cult or
dominate a nation [>>OR DOMINATE A NATION!<<]."

-

"An astonishing number of Americans are now influenced by conspiracy
theories. A recent poll reported that 34% of American white males believe
citizens have the right to buy and stockpile large amounts of weapons to
oppose the Federal Government. Many believe dark forces now control the FBI,
BLM, IRS, FEMA, UN and Great Britain. Radio Internet bulletin boards, E
mail, Web sites and faxes jam the information highway with paranoia, hate
has gone hi-tech."

-

"The influence of seemingly disparate, but extreme groups in the United
States has increased through networking. Cults, radical anti-abortionists,
the 'Religious right,' militias, old hate groups, the far right and some
so-called 'conservative Republicans" often work together. Their common
agenda includes attacks on 'big government,' 'over regulation' such as gun
laws and supposedly returning 'power to the people.' These code phrases have
become thought terminating cliches, a facade to mask an attempt to strip
power from the only institution able to hold such groups accountable [i.e.,
the FBI, BLM, IRS, FEMA, UN, etc.].

-

"Militia groups can rely upon sympathetic ears in Congress like
Representatives Steven Stockman of Texas and Helen Chenowith of Idaho. Larry
Pratt of 'Gun Owners of America,' who has been linked to militias and white
supremacists, held a high-ranking position in the Buchanan campaign. Pratt
has friends on the NRA board, ties to House majority leader Richard Armey
and has made contributions to Oliver North and Stockman's campaigns,
'Operation Rescue's' Randall Terry's defense fund, and Kirk Lyons CAUSE.
Lyons, a lawyer, defends white racists, has ties to the "Aryan Nations" and
helped to start the 'Waco Justice Foundation.'"

-

"... Contrary to conspiracy theories promoted by cults, militias and hate
groups, they are not being persecuted by the government, but seem instead to
be rather 

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[TenebrousT]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/6/00 1:05:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch?
>  Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why
> give us
>  any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or
the
> hour
>  but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the
> clock
>  started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as
> the
>  other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
fufilled
> ..
>  ks
>

Forst of all one would have to presume that the Bible is an accurate
reflection of real FUTURE events.  There are numerous interpretations that
are thoroughly hermeneutical and accepted by many different scholars in the
field regarding the prophecies of the Bible.  If I were to argue that the
prophecies in the Bible represented real future events (just for the sake of
argument) I would NOT go about trying to match things up but instead would
try to do as I had been instructed.  No one knows the day or hour.  Keep
watch, not in a "look at the news" way, but keep watch in the sense of
watching over ones own self to be sure that one is ready when Jesus returns.
All of the allusions are about making ones own self ready and say nothing
about looking for signs.  Jesus says it is a wicked and adulterous generation
which looks for signs.  Be prepared spiritually for his arrival while being
aware of the dangers posed by the Anti-Christ etc.
Now having said that it is equally possible that all or at least part of
the prophecies of the Bible are allegorical and general.  If this is true
then the prophecies concerning the "end times" would fit any time of trouble
and tribulation and serve as a guide for how to live.  For the wicked who
look for a sign perhaps God has PLANNED many false starts for Jesus' return
in order that they WILL BE deceived.
I don't know one way or the other but am inclined to believe that what is
contained in the Bible is allegorical and designed simply to send a moral
message, and to present the model for spiritual advancement.  I also favor
the view that the Bible is TOO OFTEN used to control and manipulate people
who are not well grounded in their faith, and more often than not by people
who do not have a good grasp of it themselves.
Just MO, of course.

**
***
"Welcome to the desert of the real."  Morpheus, "The Matrix".

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

[nessie]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>The Bible will remain true

>regardless of what I believe, you believe,  or anyone else believes.



That's exactly what other people say about the Koran, the Torah, the
Bhagevad Gita, the Pali Sutras and Das Kapital.

It's also idolatry.

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[nessie]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>
>"The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof"



Which, if true, makes all those deeds and mortgages nothing but paper and
every one who believes in them a heretic.

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Reality Check, #45 G North

[nessie]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>
>
> If 100% of the Japanese banks went from noncompliance

>to compliance in six months, then why did the 20 largest

>U.S. banks pay over $3 billion over a four-year period

>years to fix Y2K?  I know I am the only person who is

>asking this question today.  I ask it because the answers

>do not make sense.


>I am not trying to play games here.


Maybe the banks got played. Maybe a bunch of clever, but unscrupulous
nerds, were paid $3 billion to spend six months fixing the problem and
three and a half years sitting around playing Duke Nukem except for when
somebody leaned in to check up on them at which time the hit a function
key that made the screen suddenly look like they were still working. In
which case, good for them. Banks, as my Grandma reminded me regularly
while I was growing up, are the Devil's embassies on earth.

No way that much money can change hands without some of it sticking to a
finger or two along the way. It would violate the basic laws of nature.

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[TenebrousT]

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In a message dated 1/6/00 1:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> No racial excuses, here.  Just the unadulterated truth...   unlike
>  CONSPIRACY THEORY
>  that involves a lot of speculation, lies and forgeries,  with a smatter of
>  truth here and there
>  to make it look good and believable.

Pardon my intrusion but it seems to me that your attribution to conspiracy
theory, which is quite accurate in a lot of respects, also describes quite
nicely almost every religion on the planet and just about every extant
religious document, including the Bible.

**
***
"Welcome to the desert of the real."  Morpheus, "The Matrix".

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents.
  We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity,
and it is not meant that we should
  voyage far.  The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have
hitherto harmed us little; but someday
  the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying
vistas of reality, and of our
  frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation
or flee from the deadly light into the
  peace and safety of a new dark age."  H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu"

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

[Eagle 1]

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Kris,
THIS is how things get so messed up,  especially in this medium. One thing
I've learned in my six years of internet experience is that if I don't know
much about something,  I usually keep my mouth shut...  (or until I do or
become interested enough to say something intelligent),  rather than
knocking people around for what they believe.  I really don't care if people
don't believe what I say regarding the Bible.  The Bible will remain true
regardless of what I believe, you believe,  or anyone else believes.  It's
just internet netiquette to refrain from belittling someone because of what
they believe.

And by the way...  don't put words in my mouth...  The word Revelation means
'revealing' ...  it is the Revealing of what is to happen in the last days.
Christ gave the words to be written to John the beloved. The book is JESUS'
revealing,  REVELATION...  not John's. He was merely the vehicle and was
divinely inspired to write it.

eagle 1

- Original Message -
From: "Kris Millegan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Jesus AKA TheChrist wrote Revelations?
>
> Om
> K

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[CTRL] Declaration on Masonic Associations, Pope John Paul II

[lloyd]

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From: St. John the Sublime Reformer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Declaration on Masonic Associations, Pope John Paul II
Date: Thursday, December 30, 1999 9:39 AM

DECLARATION ON MASONIC ASSOCIATIONS

Issued by the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
on November 26, 1983.

It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church's
decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new code of
Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous law.

The Sacred Congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance
is due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of
others associations also unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained
in wider categories.

Therefore the Church's negative judgement in regard to Masonic
associations remains unchanged since their principals have always
been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and
therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who
enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may
not receive Holy Communion.

It is not within the competance of  local ecclesiastical authority's to
give judgement on the nature of Masonic associations which would
imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this
in line with the declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on
17 February 1981 (cf. AAS 73 [1981] pp. 240-241).

In an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, the
Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication
of this Declaration which has been decided in an ordinary meeting
of the Sacred Congregation.

Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation of the Doctrine
of the Faith, 26 November 1983.

JOSEPEH Card. RATZINGER

Prefect

Fr. Jerome Hamer, O.P.

Titular Archbishop of Lorium

Secretary


-
NEGATIVE JUDGMENT OF MASONIC ASSC. REMAINS UNCHANGED

IRRECONCILIABLE WITH THE DOCTRINE OF THE CHURCH

MEMBERSHIP IN THEM REMAINS FORBIDDEN

IN A STATE OF GRAVE SIN

MAY NOT RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION

NOT WITHIN THE COMPETANCE OF LOCAL ECCLESIATICAL
AUTHORITIES TO GIVE JUDGMENT



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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Information Sources: Manchurian Candidates & Mind Control

[Kris Millegan]

Thanks for the deep and passionate http://www.aches-mc.org link Catherine.  
It has been added to Great Links, and bears further 
study.  I'd love to get into the second edition of "Drug War," 
even before the first edition is out, but am immersed in putting up my 
8,000-item herb store at the moment.  Will keep pace as best I can, at 
least with the research tools on my site. 
Dan Russell[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kalyx.comP.O. Box 
417Camden, NY 13316http://www.kalyx.com
-Original Message-From: Catherine 
Austin Fitts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 
Thursday, January 06, 2000 4:44 PMSubject: [CIA-DRUGS] Information Sources: 
Manchurian Candidates & Mind 
Control>>>Excerpt from recent e-mail that 
you may find useful...mind control keeps>popping up as a thread in 
theories on Waco, Unabomber, OKC, school>shootings, HUD financial fraud 
and loan sales.what I am finding is that>family and friends really 
want to learn about corruption (they have kind of>had it, but do not know 
what to do next) but need a fun energizing way to do>it. I am having much 
better luck with movies available at>Blockbuster.that is why 
financing and buying new movies like Uri and>Dan's work is so 
important.>>-Original Message->From: Catherine 
Austin Fitts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]>Sent: 
Wednesday, January 05, 2000 2:12 PM>Subject: Information Sources: 
Manchurian Candidates & Mind Control>>Family & 
Friends:>>I am sending this is response from several requests of 
you for more>information on mind control technology and its application 
with Americans>without their consent by US intelligence, military, 
enforcement>organizations and their university, academic and corporate 
partners,>contractors and affiliates. I am sending this e-mail to provide 
a list of>quick and easy information sources. I am working on longer list 
that I will>send next month.>>Most information about mind 
control technology has been kept behind an>extraordinary blanket of 
secrecy by the National Security Act and>professional safeguards and fear 
for personal safety. Perhaps most>important, has been our understandable 
reluctance to learn about what has>happened to our country since the 
assassination of the Kennedy's and Martin>Luther King and the extant to 
which covert operations domestically controls>politics, policy and 
resources. This could never have happened without mind>control technology 
being available as a tool to manipulate and blackmail>leaders in the 
legal and legislative system. Understanding mind control>technology is 
one of the steps that is desirable to take if we are>interested in 
understanding what is happening in government in American and>why. As my 
pastor says, if we can face it, God can fix it. This is not>something for 
us to fix. Our sunshine is what will help others who can.>>The 
best website on mind control technology is the website for the 
Advocacy>Committee for Human Experimentation>Survivors & Mind 
Control, know as MC-ACHES. The URL is>http://www.aches-mc.org You can link to the 
CKLN radio interviews on Mind>Control from this site. These interviews 
are some of the best sources I have>found.>>Stella has been 
a godsend (so what's new?) in helping me learn as I go how>to introduce 
and explain this issue. Many of you have also provided>excellent tips and 
ideas. If I may summarize, what we have learned is that>the key to 
learning about mind control is understanding a little of 
the>"story". The best way to learn some of the story is to have 
fun doing it. I>have found that about everything under the sun has been 
provided us by>Hollywood, if we are just willing to face the fact that 
fiction is a>metaphor for a reality that is too dangerous for a business 
to put real>names too. So my recommendation to you is to start with the 
movies, which>should be available for rental at your local 
Blockbuster:>>There has been an increase in popular movies and 
books coming out on mind>control. I am told by one reporter covering mind 
control issues that mind>control technology has caused too many 
"messes" (Waco, Jonestown, recent>school shootings) at the same 
time that many of the leaders are retiring and>dying. Hence, powerful 
interests in the intelligence community are trying to>negate this 
technology by subjecting it to some sunshine through popular>culture. 
Others say that both mind control technology and human cloning 
have>advanced to the point that the mind control tools I experienced are 
no>longer needed. Indeed, given the maintenance problems, that 
illumination of>old mind control technology will help protect cutting 
edge covert operations>in human cloning and mind control from scrutiny. 
While I do not know what is>true, these theories are compatible with the 
recent increase in movies and>what appears to be a inability or failure 
to continue to maintain mind>control programming in people in programs 
like Monarch.>>Videos on Mind Control>>The 
Manc

[CTRL] Lighten-Up Everyone Please -This is just an email-list.

[Kris Millegan]

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Please one and all, It is going to take a coalition of folks from many
different backgrounds and political persuasions to strike any kind of
meaningful blow to the disgusting treasonous actions by deviant elites within
our republic.

The enemy of your enemy may be your friend.

Please  I am sure there is enough provoacateurs without us adding ours. And I
am sure there is ENOUGH FRUSTRATION for all of us and then some, BUT PLEASE
lets be civil and get something done besides burning bridges.

Lets us strive for understanding—not grandstanding.

Om
k

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Re: [CTRL] Feral Dogma

[Kris Millegan]

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In a message dated 1/6/00 2:36:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Got my vote.  I'm really not interested in reading a bunch of Bible quotes
>
>tossed around.  If I want some good old fashion Bible thumping, I'll call
>my
>
>brother.
>
>
>
>Kris can you hear me?
>
>
>
>Hilary

Yes, been, busy but I am on when i can.

 As many  long-sufferring compadres know, I am prone to err on doing nothing
and lettings ones own words either hang, redeem or at least get some inkling
of reasoning behind the time and energy expended. And we all bring something
to the table and we all learn from others views.

And as mikus29@hotmail so well decontstructed some of the post
>> This part is where the the Prejudice is inserted into the Believers
>>consciousness.  THINK of these people as BAD.  THEY are not to be TRUSTED.
>>I don't believe that Christ, if HE was indeed real, and the SON of GOD,
>>would have condoned discrimination.  What ever happened to
>>Turn-The-Other-Cheek?

showed the depths of which religiousity is used by the conspiracy and is very
much linked with conspiracy theory. Remember a conspiracy theory doesn't need
to be true to be effective or to affect history and all of us.

Many people's belief in conspiracy is rooted in their religious thought.
There is much intrigue of religious bodies within our own history.

You have the false archtypical good and evil dualistic dogmatic debate that
is one of the mainstays of conspiratorial control.

Eagle1 wasn't MHO using scripture to proselytizing but to show from why he
speaks.I do endeavour to show the biases of his reasoning to strip away the
blind dogmatic shuffling.  I think it is important to deconstruct his views
in a public forum and stop running from the "devil" of dualism and to  begin
prosecuting traitors on earth.

MHO
OM
K

PS You can always delete.

The hardening of the sides has been going hot and heavy, lately. Let us
deconstruct the hatred and  strive for Peace on Earth and goodwill for all.

Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[KDS]

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You are correct..6 day war it wassorry.stand corrected..
but I didn't even get a "nice try." like Bill did.
ks

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> William Shannon wrote:
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> > In a message dated 1/6/00 12:05:35 PM Central Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > << end time signs..and I do believe that the clock
> >  started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..
>
> Er. Jerusalem was taken in the six day war.
>
> Joshua2
>
> as far as the
> >  other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
> > fufilled..
> >  ks >>
> >
> > So should we stockpile water and ammo???
> > Will we need generators?
> > How,"ks" can we truly be prepared??? (If this isn't an invitation...what is??)
> > There's the softball...can ya' hit it outta' the park??? Betcha' can!
> >
> > Bill.
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[Nurev Ind Research]

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William Shannon wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 1/6/00 12:05:35 PM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << end time signs..and I do believe that the clock
>  started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..

Er. Jerusalem was taken in the six day war.

Joshua2

as far as the
>  other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
> fufilled..
>  ks >>
>
> So should we stockpile water and ammo???
> Will we need generators?
> How,"ks" can we truly be prepared??? (If this isn't an invitation...what is??)
> There's the softball...can ya' hit it outta' the park??? Betcha' can!
>
> Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

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William Shannon wrote:
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> In a message dated 1/6/00 12:37:32 PM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << the nation of Israel was scattered all over the world. >>
>
> Wait a minute here...the "nation of Isreal" was scattered???
> Hmmm...actually the "nation of Israel" was created out of the thin air in
> recent times...before that there was no nation of Israel...and the so-called
> Israelites are really a diverse group of people...mostly from Europe and with
> NO genetic connection to the "Jews" of the Bible...
> Bill.

Oops! You goofed on this one Bill. There is a strong genetic connection to
the Jews of the Bible. It has been recently demonstrated through the lineage
of the Cohanim and Levites.

Good try though.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Clinton to join VernonJordaninvestmentfirm...

[Nurev Ind Research]

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
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> In a message dated 01/05/2000 6:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> <<
>  Wonderful person indeed.
>
>  Joshua2 >>
>
> Well, Joshua, I like New York City, or at least I did many years ago.  The
> guy who came up with the plan to save New York was Felix Rohatyn.  I liked
> listening to all that intelligence then, and when the Republican Congress
> went into orbit at the thought of putting him at the Federal Reserve,  and he
> was given an ambassadorship I thought the country was lucky to have that kind
> of person to represent us.  Fortunately he is wealthy enough to be able to
> take it.  If he'd only have been born in this country, I'd like to see him
> run for the presidency.  We all have our favorite people, Joshua.  Felix
> Rohatyn just happens to be pretty high on my list.   Prudy
>

That's ok Prudy. But you do understand that no rich guy gets an ambassadorship
for being nice. This is Wall st. the power behind the throne.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

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You're onto something Kris--last time I checked REVELATION (no "s" on
the end) was written by one "Saint John the Divine."

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

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--- William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<>

Well, since at least one person asked, I'll stand up (on the regular
floor, not the soapbox THIS time ;-D ) and give it a go:

Try this: Live morally and spiritually as if the rapture/judgment were
happening in the next 5 minutes. Live economically and ecologically as
if it weren't happening for another 5,000 years. That means treat
EVERYONE the way you want to be treated, use your discernment, practice
careful stewardship of your treasure (this includes time and talent as
well as material goods), and don't destroy the earth, for, as the
Psalmist states "The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof"
(Psalm 24:1). That goes back around to treating others as you want to
be treated. Of course if we all did that there would be no [insert bad
thing here], and probably no conspiracy either, which means there would
be no CTRLand.uh

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

[Kris Millegan]

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Jesus AKA TheChrist wrote Revelations?

Om
K

In a message dated 1/6/00 11:50:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Jesus was explicit in those chapters referenced of how it would be in the
>last days,  warning of the false one(s) who would come in HIS name in the
>last days...  speaking to the last generation.  That is what those chapters
>are completely about... referring to the antichrist and how to recognize
>him
>and his mark.  THEN,  He is even more explicit in description in His
>Revealing ...  chapters 13, and 11 specifically though the whole most of
>Revelation

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[CTRL] Fw: Reality Check, #45 G North

[Nicky Molloy]

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-Original Message-
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Date: Friday, 7 January 2000 15:35
Subject: Reality Check, #45


Gary North's REALITY CHECK
Issue No. 45
January 7, 2000




 BEYOND THE ROLLOVER: ARE WE OUT OF THE WOODS NOW?

 The rollover went by without a major breakdown
anywhere in the world, including all those Third World
nations, small businesses, and local governments that had
done almost nothing to fix Y2K.  There was no 72-hour
storm.  This was unexpected by everyone, most of all, me.

 There were also no terrorist attacks, no viruses, no
nothing.  But nobody blames the government for months and
months of "fear-mongering" over terrorism.

 What there is, is broken code.  Peter de Jager, whose
Web site just sold for $2.1 million, told the press this
week that the computerized operations of the world still
have not been proven safe and sound.  Glitches are there,
waiting to happen, he says, and we should expect to put up
with them for months to come.  Cory Hamasaki agrees.

 But as for a breakdown, we're out of the woods.

 Unless. . . .


   EXPLAINING THE UNEXPLAINABLE

 Here are basic issues that remain unanswered:

 1.   How did the programmers all finish on
  time, all over the world, when this had
  never before happened in any large-
  scale software project?

 2.   How did enterprises that started late,
  spent less, and had less experience in
  mainframe programming all fix their
  systems?

 3.   How reliable are systems that did not
  receive any final testing?

 4.   How will industry-wide systems hold up,
  even though there was no testing of
  these huge systems?

 5.   How will the problems of undetected bad
  data be solved?

 Let me remind you of some reports that I find hard to
put together logically.  They are examples of these overall
problem areas.

 In May, 1998, a report on Japanese banks appeared.  It
said that the largest 49 banks planned to spend -- future
tense -- $249 million.  (WASHINGTON POST, May 20, 1998).
At that time, Citicorp had spent twice this.  Bank of
America had budgeted $350 million.  (London SUNDAY TIMES,
May 24).

 A survey of 97 Japanese banks in August, 1998,
revealed that not one was compliant.  Five refused to
respond.  (BUSINESSTODAY.COM, Aug. 27).

 In December, 1998, a report appeared that the 19
largest Japanese banks planned to spend (future) a billion
dollars on Y2K.  (DAILY YOMIURI, Dec. 3).

 In February, 1999, another report came out that said
that of the top 19 Japanese banks, only two were 75%
compliant.  Half were 25% or less.  (USA TODAY, Feb. 10).

 Then, on September 1, the Bank of Japan announced that
674 banks were near compliance.  (ASIABIZTECH).

 This does not compute.  Citicorp spent $950 million,
and it took four years.  Last fall, we were being asked to
believe that banks as large or larger than Citibank went
from 25% compliance to 99% compliance in six months.  Then
there was the matter of final testing.

 So, I for one do not believe that the banking system
is out of the woods.

 Let's talk about final testing.  Our entire economy is
now in the final testing stage.  A year ago -- even a week
ago -- there were mainframe computers that were still able
to operate in 1999 mode.  If there was a glitch that shut
one down in a Year 2000 test, the system would not go down.
It was still 1999.  Now it's 2000.  What happens if a
glitch shuts a system down this year?  What is the fall-
back position?

 There were no big surprises on January 1, other than
the absence of big surprises.  But in the future, say
Hamasaki, de Jager, and other mainframe programmers, there
will be surprises.  Maybe they won't all be big.  But in
the banking world, a little surprise in a large bank can
create big problems for other banks.

 Y2K's simultaneity problem is now gone.  It will be
one institution at a time, one bank at a time.  This
reduces society's risk dramatically.  Greenspan's 99+%
figure for compliance seems to have been reached.  This has
to be for the entire international banking system.

 And yet . . . how can we explain the success of the
Japanese banks?  I can't do it.  No one else is even
asking.

 If 100% of the Japanese banks went from noncompliance
to compliance in six months, then why did the 20 largest
U.S. banks pay over $3 billion over a four-year period
years to fix Y2K?  I know I am the only person who is
asking this question today.  I ask it because the answers
do not make sense.

 I am not trying to play games here.  I honestly do not
understand the situation.  Alan Greenspan in 1997 said that
banking could not survive with a mere 99% compliance.  So,
did it achieve 99+% compliance?  We do not know.  Does it
really need 99+% compliance?  We do not know.

 My co

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[CTRL] Clinton EXXXposed On The Net 1-11-00...

[William Shannon]

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Clinton Scandal Documents to Be Put on Internet
6.42 p.m. ET (2342 GMT) January 5, 2000
NEW YORK — Documents from the sex scandal that led to the impeachment of
President Bill Clinton in connection with his affair with Monica Lewinsky
will be posted in their entirety on the Internet next week, a leading
publisher said on Wednesday.
Random House said that the documents — used extensively by one of its
authors, Jeffrey Toobin, in his new book on the scandal — would be available
next Tuesday, Jan. 11, at www.vastconspiracy.com.

In a brief interview, Toobin said none of the documents had been available in
their entirety before, including the full text of Paula Jones' affidavit
describing the "distinguishing characteristics" of Clinton's private parts.

Jones, whose sexual harassment suit against Clinton brought the Lewinsky
affair to light, alleged that Clinton exposed himself to her at a Little
Rock, Ark., hotel in 1991 when he was Arkansas governor. Clinton denied that
allegation.

Toobin, a New Yorker magazine writer and ABC legal analyst, obtained access
to the documents while researching his new book, A Vast Conspiracy: The Real
Story of the Sex Scandal that Nearly Brought Down a President, which will
also be published on Jan. 11.

The Republican-led House of Representatives in December 1998 impeached
Clinton on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from his
affair with Lewinsky. The Senate in February 1999 acquitted Clinton.

Random House said that the documents to be posted were:


Full text of Paula Jones affidavit concerning Clinton's "distinguishing
characteristics" dated May 26, 1994.

Affidavit by Arkansas State Trooper Ronald Anderson in connection with Jones
vs. Clinton Nov. 15, 1994.

Text of E-mail from George Conway, supporter of Paula Jones, to Internet
journalist Matt Drudge, concerning Clinton's "distinguishing characteristics"
dated Oct. 8, 1997.

Unexpurgated deposition of Paula Jones in Jones v. Clinton Nov. 13, 1997

Transcript of surreptitious tape recording of interview with Juanita
Broaddrick by investigator for Paula Jones on Nov. 13, 1997. Broaddrick
accused Clinton of raping her in 1978, a charge that the White House denied.

Transcript of secret court hearing on Jan. 12, 1998 in Jones v. Clinton.

Unexpurgated deposition of Clinton in Jones V. Clinton, Jan. 17, 1998.

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Re: [CTRL] Media Bias Against Business Here To Stay

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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-Original Message-
From: Prudence L. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Media Bias Against Business Here To Stay


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>In a message dated 01/06/2000 5:45:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><<  it just bugs me when I hear
> everything blamed on big hairy corporations. >>
>
>Why, Hilary?  Almost everything bad can honestly be blamed on big "hairy"
>corporations.  Politicians work for them and are well paid in the bargain.
>They are responsible and accountable to the corporations.  Prudy


Then these politicians are making individual choices to place their
loyalties in the corporations and not to the people they are ostensibly in
office to serve.  I'm in no way denying that this is occurring - quite the
contrary in fact.  This is why I believe that these politician need to
actually be held accountable for their actions - as all individuals need to
be.  Just because an offer is made by a corporation doesn't mean that the
politicians, or anyone for that matter, has to accept it.  So, we are back
to individual choice, responsibility and accountability.  It's pretty simple
if you stick to an honorable "formula."  You can throw all the confusion you
want at it, but it boils down to individual choice.  The question is then,
did he/she make a good choice, an honorable choice?

Hilary

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #4

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 000106d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE THE ENTIRE BULLETIN WHEN YOU REPLY; CUT/PASTE, EH?
* No hackers were harmed to produce this bulletin. We just couldn't do it.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ F&SF 3D Gallery: http://members.xoom.com/duo3/fsf3d1.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Squirt Guns Sold for Science Funds. PITTSBURGH (AP) Not many companies
  encourage their employees to shoot each other with squirt guns at work.
  Then again, not many firms have squirt guns with glow-in-the-dark ammo.
  Prolume does: http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000106/17/glowing-genes

: D'ya wanna shoot your cow orkers? Have you shot any cow orkers lately? Did
you use colors, words, thoughts, rays, water, buckshot, moons, brandy, love?

@ The great invention of the past thousand years? Printing, maybe the micro-
  chip? It might be something rather more humble, Umberto Eco sez: beans.
  So musical. http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/features/1999/1231/fea2.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Hackers become security consultants. WASHINGTON (AP) - Who ya gonna call?
  Hackers? Some of the Net's most adept geeks are hoping big biz will soon
  chant a "Ghostbusters"-like refrain: These hackers have formed a new firm
  to advise the world's largest banks and hospitals how to keep their data
  safe from cyber-intruders. The new VP of R&D - widely considered among the
  world's leading hackers - will continue to use only his online handle,
  "Mudge": http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563080682-174

: If you hack China, will you be hired or shot? Would you rather hack Pepsi?
If China buys interests in multinationals, will hacking become too risky??

# NEW COMPRESSION SYSTEM promises to deliver sound/images/video at much
  greater rate & clarity than current technology. The fix is software-based,
  so no hardware upgrades are needed. http://ft.com/hippocampus/q3183aa.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Nomads Need to Learn English. MOSCOW (Reuters) The people of the snowbound
  and remote region of Yakutia, mainly Siberian nomads and ethnic Russians,
  must learn English if they are to prosper, their regional leader has
  decided. http://news.excite.com/news/r/000106/07/odd-yakutia

: Are you part of the Anglophone conspiracy? Have you succeeded beyond your
wildest dreams? Are all other languages doomed? Can you program in Latin?

# Gutenberg's Triumph: a free library, with stacks a place to wander in
  and make discoveries, empowers us as nothing else. Example: Karl Marx.
  http://www.calendarlive.com/calendarlive/books/lat_bookreview1226.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Mensa leader Serebriakoff dies. LONDON (AP) - Victor Serebriakoff, who
  helped build Mensa into a worldwide organization with thousands of members
  who think they're pretty smart, is dead at age 87. He couldn't outsmart
  time: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563088367-85f

# Indian sect leader Omkarananda dies. WINTERTHUR, Switzerland (AP) - Swami
  Omkarananda, a Hindu monk and sect leader imprisoned in Switzerland for
  attempted murder, had died of the flu at age 70. Meditate on THAT, dewd.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563087778-b19

: What's your favorite sect? Do you think, meditate, talk, plot, provoke? Is
your sect ripe? Are you ripe? Are you ready to be harvested? By whom? When?

@ Peter Singer's views on humans and animals, murder and euthanasia, have
  provoked angry debate. Too bad his actions don't square with his ideals.
  http://www.thenewrepublic.com/magazines/tnr/011000/coverstory011000.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# INTERNATIONAL PLEA: Versailles was badly hit by storms in the past week.
  Some 10,000 trees were uprooted in 90-mile-an-hour winds and the palace
  roof and windows were damaged. Now Versailles is trying to raise money for
  repairs. Storm Damage: http://www.chateauversailles.fr/en/tempete.htm
  infoculture.cbc.ca/archives/heritage/heritage_01052000_versailles.phtml

: Are you an elemental force? Have you ever wanted to smash human cultural
treasures? Especially the French? Have you smashed many? Do you laugh at we
puny humans? Do you suspect that we may someday conquer you? Do you rage??

# AND THE AWARD FOR MOST SPECTACULAR New Year's show has to go to Paris'
  Eiffel Tower. How'd it happen? "It took 5 months for a crew of 20 moun-
  taineers & rock climbers to string the 20,000 screw-in bulbs on the 110-
  year-old tower and an additional month for 47 more climbers & technicians
  to set 4,800 pyrotechnic launches on 80 specially created tower decks."
  http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer/2000/Jan/06/magazine/TOWER06.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Jeepers creepers! Imagine our very own planet invaded by 200 million
  demonic horsemen. Mind you, that's even before Armageddon and the Last
  J

Re: [CTRL] Feral Dogma

[Mark McHugh]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dale Stonehouse wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Anybody in favor of making CTRL a dogma-free zone?
>
> The list appears to need someone like Robert Anton Wilson with his finger on
> the buzzer.
>

It's rumored that he frequents alt.fan.rawilson in the guise of Kansan1225. ;)

--
Mark McHugh

Semper Delectatus!

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, KS

[pennie hammons]

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ks, if you are talking about the "abomination of desolation", compare Luke
17:30,31 to Matt 24:17,18. Interesting time table we are given there, huh?


>From: KDS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:29:40 -0600
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>YOU GO GIRL
>and I just have to disagree w/ Eagle's interp. of Matthew 24, I believe,
>and have
>researched, and I think he was speaking of the Jews, when they realize they
>have
>been duped by the anti-christ, and he calls for their all out destruction
>in the
>middle of the 3 1/2 year tribulation breaking the peace treaty, and they
>have to
>flee for their lives.
>ks
>
>pennie hammons wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > All I'm trying to say is that no one should feel that they have God all
> > figured out, because that isn't possible. We who love the Lord will know
>a
> > tree by it's fruit, no matter who comes first. The more I learn the more
>I
> > realize how little I know. This isn't what we are supposed to be doing
>with
> > all of our time. It is not good to separate yourself from the church
>instead
> > of praying for enlightenment for the ones around you who are earnestly
> > seeking God. It is pure arrogance to think you are better than those who
>go
> > to church. I go so I can be humbled with the knowledge that God loves
>them
> > all and none of us are perfect. Anti-religeon is not the answer. Stay in
>the
> > body, it's the only way the whole body will eventually come together
>with no
> > more division.
> >
> > >From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
> > >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:49:47 -0600
> > >
> > >  -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > >Pennie,
> > >The whole of Matthew 24,  Mark 13 and Luke 21 and MORE,  is dedicated
>to
> > >us,
> > >for learning WHO the false messiah is in the last days.  Jesus taught
>that
> > >there is one specifically coming in HIS name.  I've researched it for
> > >myself,  and I do believe the antichrist [one who comes in the stead of
> > >Jesus]  comes first on the scene powering first the NWO to prep the way
>for
> > >his appearance.  This is from my own research not from traditions or
>false
> > >doctrine.  I got tired of being lied to as a child and as an adult.
>So,  I
> > >dove in, and learned the truth for myself.
> > >
> > >Jesus was explicit in those chapters referenced of how it would be in
>the
> > >last days,  warning of the false one(s) who would come in HIS name in
>the
> > >last days...  speaking to the last generation.  That is what those
>chapters
> > >are completely about... referring to the antichrist and how to
>recognize
> > >him
> > >and his mark.  THEN,  He is even more explicit in description in His
> > >Revealing ...  chapters 13, and 11 specifically though the whole most
>of
> > >Revelation is dedicated to what will happen to those who do not believe
> > >that
> > >the one who  verse 11: "Looks like the Lamb of God,  but speaks like
> > >Dragon"
> > >is the true Messiah.
> > >
> > >I've researched this for over 20 years.  My own personal conclusions
>from
> > >the prophecies given throughout the Bible is that the antichrist will
>come
> > >masquerading / disguised as Jesus.  It's what he's wanted to do all
>along.
> > >(Isaiah 14:12-16) God will allow this to happen for a very specific
>reason.
> > >You can read the study on the "Four Winds" at
> > >http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds...
> > >But hey,  don't believe me,  believe the Words of God and Christ.  They
> > >laid
> > >it out line upon line,  precept upon precept.  If you don't believe it
> > >now...  just remember you were warned,  when you do learn the truth of
>the
> > >matter.  I just pray you are not one of those who is gripped with
> > >paralyzing
> > >fear,  when you realize who the false messiah really is.  See
>Revelation ch
> > >11.  There is much more to this,  but will be getting more and more off
> > >topic and into something that deserves a better forum to discuss.
> > >
> > >I will discuss this with you further off the CTRL List,  if you like,
>or
> > >there is a list that I have specifically for these types of topics if
>you'd
> > >like.
> > >
> > >eagle 1
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "pennie hammons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:31 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Caveat Lector-
> > > >
> > > > Be careful, Eagle1. Nowhere does it say that the antichrist, if it
>is
> > >one
> > > > man, will claim to be Jesus. This is another one taught to us by
> > >tradition,
> > > > not the Bible. Just imagine for a moment that the first to come
>realy IS
> > > > Jesus, would you crucify Him because you think you know the way it
>HAS
> > >to
> >

Re: [CTRL] Fonda becomes born-again Christian

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 01/06/2000 5:48:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<<
 Friends say the path of Fonda's spiritual conversion began two years ago when
 her chauffeur began witnessing to the actress about his faith in Jesus
 Christ. At first, Fonda was reportedly troubled by those conversations.
 Later, she began to welcome them and attend church with her chauffeur. >>

Now this is scarey.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Media Bias Against Business Here To Stay

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 01/06/2000 5:45:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  it just bugs me when I hear
 everything blamed on big hairy corporations. >>

Why, Hilary?  Almost everything bad can honestly be blamed on big "hairy"
corporations.  Politicians work for them and are well paid in the bargain.
They are responsible and accountable to the corporations.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?

[William Shannon]

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In a message dated 1/6/00 4:38:46 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I don't want to argue theology. Religious mythology is not history. To keep
 religion active and profitable means that there is a conspiracy afoot. The
 conspiracy consists of people who make a lot of money off of the other co-
 conspirators who also benefit from religion by having a large group of people
 lie to each other and themselves and constantly reassure each other that
 they are not insane. >>


A hearty AMEN there brother!

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Erythromycin causes pyloric stenosis in newborns (CDC report)

[William Shannon]

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Erythromycin is KNOWN to be tough on the stomach and many (myself included)
can't take it without serious gastric distress...HOWEVER, for those who can
tolerate it, it's gold. And BTW there...it's pretty natural too...produced by
a strain of STREPTOMYCES erythraeus...Look, if YOU want to take water and
massage next time you get a respriatory tract or soft tissue infection help
yourself...but for millions of people through many decades, Erythromycin has
indeed been a lifesaver.

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] FW: The Scientist

[William Shannon]

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<< Homeopathy may not fit into your paradigm but it
 definitely has helped some people, whether by placebo effect or some unknown
 mechanism is irrelevant in my book >>

It fits in NO logical, sane, scientific paradigm...it's "tenents" are almost
faith-based, certainly "supernatural" and utterly devoid of any proofs...It
IS the placebo effect, and the problem is that the marketers of this crap are
making a fortune selling literally worthless water and sugar pills...their
taking advantage of their clients by overcharging for worthless
garbage...THAT'S the outrage!


<>

One of the BEST "cures" is time...time to allow our bodies own defenses to
"kick-in"...and by doing nothing, taking homeopathic candy is "doing
nothing", you allow your immune system to do its thing.
As for the hackneyed ruse that "allopathic medicine kills"...the fact is that
it's traditional (allopathic) medicine where the last resorters, the most
ill, go...and there are SOME situations where NOTHING will save you.
As for the "suppression" of homeopathy...I see no real evidence of that, you
can buy the crap at any drug-store. The reason respectable doctors shun
homeopathy is because it's useless and to promote it could open one up to a
(well-deserved) malpractice suit.

<< As for
Chiropractors I think you are wrong, even if there is no scientific basis for
spinal manipulation in curing diseases in other areas of the body it clearly
has benefit for people who are suffering from some types of back and muscle
problems, and can't be called quackery IMO.  If a chiropractor were to tell
you he could cure your athletes foot by manipulating your spine I would be
highly skeptical, and maybe presume him to be a "quack".>>

Well, of course massage makes one feel better, it's transient of course, but
a very real effect CAN be discerned...But I think you're being naive if you
think mosr chiropractors limit their "practice" to back and muscle pain...in
fact they oft claim to be able to "cure" everything from acne to cancer...and
THAT'S quackery and fraud.


<>

Well, you admit that the compounds are just water...and really, what else are
they?
THAT'S the rub...the dilutions ARE so great that they are, just water...and
IF water has "memory" wouldn't the water that is used in the preperation of
homeopathic cures ALSO "remember" every rock, pipe, fish...that EVER touched
it?? OR is there some importance to the "tapping" of the container...If I'm
to buy THAT...well...that's assinine...right??
It's CLEAR that any respectable doctor CANNOT recommend homeopathic water
to her patients...to do so would be reckless and a dereliction of duty and
would expose said MD to legal action by the patient.Can you see the trial???
"So your patient had a brain tumor and you prescribed...WATER???"

"That's not water...that's an expertly prepared homeopathic remedy"

"Doc...we had this "remedy" analyzed by the top labs in the country...ALL
came back with the same finding...it's water...and it's not that clean
either..."

PLEASE, not EVERY suppressed treatment is valid...homeopathy and chiropractic
are clearly proof...

Bill.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #3

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 000106c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE THE ENTIRE BULLETIN WHEN YOU REPLY; CUT/PASTE, EH?
* No new perversions were invented during production of this bulletin. Ah.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ The Jesus Dance - dance the millennium away: http://www.jesusdance.com/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Win2K Ban in China? Microsoft and Chinese officials are denying a report
  that the software giant's latest OS will be barred throughout the govt.
  http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,33469,00.html?tw=wn2106
# China will scrutinize Internet - controlled by censorship agencies:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563064716-e95

: Does Win2K have the same old backdoors that allow MS to monitor/control
all users? Does Bill Gates already run US & Euro govts? Can China resist??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ There's a nice summary of the various Wars, Massacres, and Atrocities of
  the 20th Century  over at
  the  Historical Atlas of the
  20th Century. The most interesting factoid/formula for world peace may be
   this: "no two countries with
  a MacDonald's Restaurant have ever gone to war with one another." So: Make
  McLove not McWar: http://memepool.com/Subject/Warfare/

: Do you prefer wars or McFood? What's your favorite war/massacre/atrocity?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Russ agents 'blew up Moscow flats'. We have obtained a videotape on which
  a Russian officer, captured by Chechens, "confesses" that Russian special
  services committed the Moscow apartment-block bombings that ignited the
  latest war in Chechnya and propelled Vladimir Putin into the Kremlin.
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Russia/rusagent060100.shtml

: Were the Moscow apt. attacks orchestrated by bin Laden [see TIME], Putin,
Chechens, CIA, Bill Gates, Toshiba, demons, deities, aliens, robots, me??

# A'Hacking the Military Will Go. The US Space Command is now on the job
  of protecting Defense Dept computers from hacker attacks. But its plans
  to disrupt enemy computer systems raise some thorny policy questions.
  http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,33443,00.html?tw=wn2106
  http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2105/pl/arms_computers_1.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Rivals gather at Holy Land synod. JERUSALEM (AP) Setting aside their power
  struggles, heads of the world's Eastern Orthodox churches met in Jerusa-
  lem for the biggest Orthodox synod in the Holy Land, and the first in 60
  years. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563067778-4ff

# China sentences Falun Gong members. BEIJING (AP) But the court was unable
  to find evidence to support accusations that the movement's founder, Li
  Hongzhi, shared huge profits made by sales of Falun Gong books & photos.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563080006-eb1

# China Catholic church defies Vatican. BEIJING (AP) China's state-control-
  led Catholic church defied the Vatican Thursday, ordaining five bishops in
  a ceremony that underscored the communist government's nearly half-century
  rift with the pope. The timing seemed an intentional snub to the Vatican.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563079757-08f

: What's your favorite religious conspiracy? Should govts control churches?
Should churches control govts? Should aliens control govts & churches? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Did you see The Miraculous Winking Jesus 
  wink at you? No? Tough. But even if you didn't, the Best of Reflections
   can be enlightening in itself.
  Then there are the apparitions  of Jesus &
  Mary, Bible-Approved vs. Bible-Forbidden 
  Undergarments, the Jesus Dance  [caution: may
  be harmful to your salvation], and maybe http://memepool.com/Subject/Web/

: Do you have a close personal relationship with your saviour? Close enough
to borrow a few bucks? Does your saviour wink at your transgressions? Why?

# Yeltsin: Anti-Semitism declining. And vodka is good for you.
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563088253-ef2
# Also: Orthodox Christmas Eve celebrated by those with old calendars:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563087276-4a1
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# New Clones Bid Goodbye, Dolly. In a breakthrough for cloning research,
  researchers produce calves from the ear of a prize bull. Going beyond
  the famous cloned sheep, the new work may yield replacement body parts.
  http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,33460,00.html?tw=wn2106

# Human Cells Get Tiny Computers. A visio

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

[KDS]

 -Caveat Lector-

YOU GO GIRL
and I just have to disagree w/ Eagle's interp. of Matthew 24, I believe, and have
researched, and I think he was speaking of the Jews, when they realize they have
been duped by the anti-christ, and he calls for their all out destruction in the
middle of the 3 1/2 year tribulation breaking the peace treaty, and they have to
flee for their lives.
ks

pennie hammons wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> All I'm trying to say is that no one should feel that they have God all
> figured out, because that isn't possible. We who love the Lord will know a
> tree by it's fruit, no matter who comes first. The more I learn the more I
> realize how little I know. This isn't what we are supposed to be doing with
> all of our time. It is not good to separate yourself from the church instead
> of praying for enlightenment for the ones around you who are earnestly
> seeking God. It is pure arrogance to think you are better than those who go
> to church. I go so I can be humbled with the knowledge that God loves them
> all and none of us are perfect. Anti-religeon is not the answer. Stay in the
> body, it's the only way the whole body will eventually come together with no
> more division.
>
> >From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
> >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:49:47 -0600
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> >Pennie,
> >The whole of Matthew 24,  Mark 13 and Luke 21 and MORE,  is dedicated to
> >us,
> >for learning WHO the false messiah is in the last days.  Jesus taught that
> >there is one specifically coming in HIS name.  I've researched it for
> >myself,  and I do believe the antichrist [one who comes in the stead of
> >Jesus]  comes first on the scene powering first the NWO to prep the way for
> >his appearance.  This is from my own research not from traditions or false
> >doctrine.  I got tired of being lied to as a child and as an adult.  So,  I
> >dove in, and learned the truth for myself.
> >
> >Jesus was explicit in those chapters referenced of how it would be in the
> >last days,  warning of the false one(s) who would come in HIS name in the
> >last days...  speaking to the last generation.  That is what those chapters
> >are completely about... referring to the antichrist and how to recognize
> >him
> >and his mark.  THEN,  He is even more explicit in description in His
> >Revealing ...  chapters 13, and 11 specifically though the whole most of
> >Revelation is dedicated to what will happen to those who do not believe
> >that
> >the one who  verse 11: "Looks like the Lamb of God,  but speaks like
> >Dragon"
> >is the true Messiah.
> >
> >I've researched this for over 20 years.  My own personal conclusions from
> >the prophecies given throughout the Bible is that the antichrist will come
> >masquerading / disguised as Jesus.  It's what he's wanted to do all along.
> >(Isaiah 14:12-16) God will allow this to happen for a very specific reason.
> >You can read the study on the "Four Winds" at
> >http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds...
> >But hey,  don't believe me,  believe the Words of God and Christ.  They
> >laid
> >it out line upon line,  precept upon precept.  If you don't believe it
> >now...  just remember you were warned,  when you do learn the truth of the
> >matter.  I just pray you are not one of those who is gripped with
> >paralyzing
> >fear,  when you realize who the false messiah really is.  See Revelation ch
> >11.  There is much more to this,  but will be getting more and more off
> >topic and into something that deserves a better forum to discuss.
> >
> >I will discuss this with you further off the CTRL List,  if you like,  or
> >there is a list that I have specifically for these types of topics if you'd
> >like.
> >
> >eagle 1
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "pennie hammons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:31 PM
> >Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
> >
> >
> > > -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > Be careful, Eagle1. Nowhere does it say that the antichrist, if it is
> >one
> > > man, will claim to be Jesus. This is another one taught to us by
> >tradition,
> > > not the Bible. Just imagine for a moment that the first to come realy IS
> > > Jesus, would you crucify Him because you think you know the way it HAS
> >to
> > > happen? Pennie
> > > >
> > > >KDS,
> > > >"Thief in the night"  is a term latched on to by traditions of men,
> >though
> > > >the words are there,  it has been twisted by men and his doctrines.  It
> >has
> > > >been taken out of it's perspective and replaced into another.  JESUS
> >was
> >no
> > > >thief...  and he will come as no thief,  per se.  He will unexpectedly
> >come
> > > >to those who have believed a false doctrine such as rapture or
> > > >amilleniumism, etc.,  because those who believe those perversion of
> > > >doctrines will believe that the first one

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[KDS]

 -Caveat Lector-

Bill,
ya really need to get a clue...but, I shall pray for ya buddy...
ks

William Shannon wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 1/6/00 12:37:32 PM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << the nation of Israel was scattered all over the world. >>
>
> Wait a minute here...the "nation of Isreal" was scattered???
> Hmmm...actually the "nation of Israel" was created out of the thin air in
> recent times...before that there was no nation of Israel...and the so-called
> Israelites are really a diverse group of people...mostly from Europe and with
> NO genetic connection to the "Jews" of the Bible...
> Bill.
>
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[CTRL] Fonda becomes born-again Christian

[Bill Richer]

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WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

Fonda becomes born-again Christian
Split with Ted has
spiritual roots, say friends

--
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By Joseph Farah
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

The separation between media mogul Ted Turner and his wife, Jane Fonda, was
prompted in part by Fonda's stunning embrace of "born-again" evangelical
Christianity, sources close to the couple tell WorldNetDaily.
The split was announced yesterday in a statement, which indicated the couple
remains "committed to the long-term success of our marriage." The two have
been married since Dec. 21, 1991.

Friends say the path of Fonda's spiritual conversion began two years ago when
her chauffeur began witnessing to the actress about his faith in Jesus
Christ. At first, Fonda was reportedly troubled by those conversations.
Later, she began to welcome them and attend church with her chauffeur.

"Her faith is very real, very deep," said one insider. "Of course, with any
celebrity conversion, the pressures can be enormous, But she is serious about
her faith and regularly attends Bible study and church."

The idea of radical political activist Jane Fonda embracing Christianity is
sure to create a stir. Fonda has been a high-profile political target because
of her open support in the 1970s of Communist North Vietnam. She has been an
outspoken supporter of abortion on demand, and Turner once attacked
Christianity as a "religion for losers."

Fonda has made at least one public statement that alluded to her Christianity
in June 1998. In response to a question about why conservative Christians
object to promoting sex education, she told the National Press Club: "I want
to say this just based on the letters I get, OK? When I talk about the
Christian Coalition, I'm not talking about all the members of the Christian
Coalition. I am a Christian. I am talking about the leadership that sets the
agenda, creates the message and builds these various sophisticated campaigns.
I think that ... Well, I'll just tell you a story. I met one of the leaders
of the Christian Coalition, in, in Atlanta a few years ago. And, we were
arguing about this issue of contraception and sex education and so forth. And
I said: 'But what do you do about the fact that two-thirds of teen-agers have
sex before they graduate high school?' And she said ... she looked both ways,
and said: 'We're gonna lose them.' Well, I ... you know, I try to go into
things thinking: 'We're really on the same team.' You know, we may be
different, you know ... and stuff, but we're all working for the good of the
children. That meeting showed me that I was completely naive. I'm talking
about the leadership. I'm not talking about the people who hear the message
that sounds good and goes along. They don't care about children that don't
look like them. They don't care about children that are not white,
middle-class Christians. As far as they are concerned, others can be
eliminated. This is a holy war. And everything for our children is at stake.
And we have to get just as involved as ... People who are on a crusade are
passionate. We have to be on a crusade and be just as passionate on behalf of
our children, but not use the same tactics -- not use lies, not use
misinformation and scare tactics."

Yet, insiders say Fonda's spiritual faith, since then, has matured in a way
that affects her entire worldview. Recently, for instance, she refused to
"meditate" at an environmental conference, suggesting to those involved that
they would be well-advised instead to "pray to Jesus Christ."

"While we continue to be committed to the long-term success of our marriage,
we find ourselves at a juncture where we must each take some personal time
for ourselves. Therefore, we have mutually decided to spend some time apart,"
said the Turner-Fonda official statement. "We ask that you respect this
decision."

In building his media empire, Turner started with Turner Broadcasting Systems
and, through acquisitions and the creation of new companies, expanded his
holdings to include Turner Network Television (TNT), CNN, CNN International,
CNN Headline News, CNN/SI (with Sports Illustrated), CNNfn, the Atlanta
Braves, the Atlanta Hawks and the Thrashers -- all sister companies to
CNN.com. His television operations were acquired in 1996 by Time Warner Inc.,
Turner becoming its vice chairman. In 1998, the New Yorker reported that he
was considering a run for the White House in 2000, and quoted him saying, "I
am very serious about running for president, but Jane doesn't want me to do
it."

Fonda's family ranks among the aristocracy of the United States film
industry. She and brother Peter are the children of screen star Henry Fonda.
Her niece, Bridget Fonda, is also a popular actress. Jane Fonda won an
Academy Award for her performance in "Klute" (1971), but has largely stepped
away from acting since marrying Tu

Re: [CTRL] Media Bias Against Business Here To Stay

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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-Original Message-
From: Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Media Bias Against Business Here To Stay


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>"Hilary A. Thomas" wrote:
>>
>>  -Caveat Lector-
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: A.C. Szul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 12:03 AM
>> Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Media Bias Against Business Here To Stay
>>
>> >> According to many economic and business indicators, more people today
are
>> better off financially
>> >> than ever before.
>>
>> One of the reasons that the economy is doing so well is that people are
>> spending more money than they make.  A large percentage of the US
population
>> owes a significant amount of money (usually credit cards).  This is a
>> situation that will implode at some point.  What happened to the concept
of
>> "cash and carry?"
>>
>> Hilary
>
>Cash and carry was much too limiting to satisfy the astonishing greed of
the
>capitalists. Cash and carry was simply not an efficient enough system to
>transfer
>money from everyone to the rich. That is why everything moved to credit.
With
>credit, the capitalists could reach into your future to extract wealth. It
>doesn't even matter if the system becomes unstable or even destroyed. Greed
>is easily satisfied by short term gratification. If society falls apart,
what
>the hell do the rich care! They have enough of a wealth buffer to survive.
>
>Joshua2


That may be the plan for all those rich, evil capitalists, but they are not
the ones in debt.  It's individual choice to spend more money than one gets
paid not those nasty suits.  Responsibility and accountability.  If we are
demanding these qualities from our political leaders than we too have to own
up to our stuff.  I'm not dumping on you Joshua, it just bugs me when I hear
everything blamed on big hairy corporations.

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Media Bias Against Business Here To Stay

[Nurev Ind Research]

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"Hilary A. Thomas" wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: A.C. Szul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 12:03 AM
> Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Media Bias Against Business Here To Stay
>
> >> According to many economic and business indicators, more people today are
> better off financially
> >> than ever before.
>
> One of the reasons that the economy is doing so well is that people are
> spending more money than they make.  A large percentage of the US population
> owes a significant amount of money (usually credit cards).  This is a
> situation that will implode at some point.  What happened to the concept of
> "cash and carry?"
>
> Hilary

Cash and carry was much too limiting to satisfy the astonishing greed of the
capitalists. Cash and carry was simply not an efficient enough system to
transfer
money from everyone to the rich. That is why everything moved to credit. With
credit, the capitalists could reach into your future to extract wealth. It
doesn't even matter if the system becomes unstable or even destroyed. Greed
is easily satisfied by short term gratification. If society falls apart, what
the hell do the rich care! They have enough of a wealth buffer to survive.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?

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Date:
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> >I don't envy religionists at this point in time. It could happen at any
> >moment.
> >Some discovery will be made which will put some people's favorite mythology
> >to rest. I see this as a good thing.
> >
> >Joshua2
>
> J2, I claim that the Bible is history; OT and NT. They go together perfectly
> and you can't really understand one without the other. If you can't believe
> the entire Bible is true, you will never understand the multiple layers of
> it. Try looking at it with a new eye, huh? I understand that you are Jewish
> and don't take the NT as true, but I know that it is. I read the Hebrew OT
> as well as the Greek NT, and believe me, they do go together. Pennie

I don't want to argue theology. Religious mythology is not history. To keep
religion active and profitable means that there is a conspiracy afoot. The
conspiracy consists of people who make a lot of money off of the other co-
conspirators who also benefit from religion by having a large group of people
lie to each other and themselves and constantly reassure each other that
they are not insane.

You need to learn more about your religion. You need to learn about the
period between the death of Jesus and the canonization of the New Testament.
You should study about the relationship between James ( the Just, another
son of Mary's, and brother of Jesus') the leader of the Christian movement, and
Paul the inventor of the religion you practice. What about the Council of
Niceae where they finally decided to turn Jesus into a deity after 300 years
of dispute among the different Christian sects. This is history. Why? Because
other people wrote about these events and corroborate each others stories.

Simply saying that the NT is history doesn't make it so, just as claiming that
a cow is an elephant doesn't make it so. Even if you have 600,000,000 buddies
who make the same claim.

Here is why...

NT- Luke has Jesus born in the time of Herod who died in 4 BCE. But he also
has the holy family moving from Galilee to Bethlehem because of the Roman
Census called by Quirinius the Governor of Syria.
J2- The one and only Roman Census conducted by Quirinius took place in
Judea ( not Galilee ) in 6-7 "AD" Luke was a very bad historian and made
many stupid errors while inventing his " Gospel."

NT- The Slaughter of the innocents.
J2- Never happened. No record of such an event in Jewish or Roman records.
The Jews would certainly reported a masacre of their children by Herod
because they hated him for occupying the Jewish throne and being a Roman
puppet.

NT- Jesus is of Davidic descent as per OT prophesy.
J2- a:Jesus' bloodline in Luke is 41 generations while his bloodline in
  Matthew's Gospel consists of 27 generations between David and Joseph.
b:No one could possibly trace bloodlines for a thousand years.
c:Mary's bloodline was irrelevant since inheritance was patrilinial.
d:Joseph was not Jesus' daddy anyway.

NT- The Passover Privilege. Where Pilate lets the crowd choose the release
of a prisoner.
J2- Never happened. No such thing ever occurred ANYWHERE in the Roman empire.

NT- Carrying the cross.
J2- Mark= Simon of Cyrene carries the cross for Jesus.
John= Jesus carries his own cross.

NT- Judas' death.
J2- Hangs himself in Matthew. Bursts open in Acts.


NT- Jesus was crucified noon of Good Friday and was buried just before
sundown. The tomb was found empty on Easter Sunday at sunrise.(Matthew)
J2- "(OT)Jonah was in the sea monster's belly for three days and three nights,
and in the same way the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in
the bowels of the earth" (Matt. 12:40)
If Matthew knew how to count to three, you couldn't tell by what he wrote
in the resurrection story. Two nights and one day do not equal 3 days.

You understand don't you that this stuff IS NOT HISTORY. It's poor quality
religious propaganda. You can make any claims for it that you wish, but if
you claim that it's history, you make a fool of yourself because it's so
obvious that it's not.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] China breaks vow, sends N. Korea missile materials

[Bill Richer]

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

January 6, 2000


China breaks vow, sends N. Korea missile materials
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


 China is continuing to supply materials for North Korea's long-range
missile program despite promises that it would tighten exports of such
technology.
 The latest shipment, arranged by China, just two weeks ago, The
Washington Times has learned.
 A Pentagon intelligence report sent to Clinton administration
policy-makers in late December stated that the Pentagon's National Security
Agency (NSA) uncovered a deal for the transfer.
 The report identified a Hong Kong company that was used to send
Chinese-made missile-related goods to North Korea, said Pentagon officials
who spoke on condition of anonymity.
 "This is a deal for a direct shipment of Chinese missile technology,"
said an official who has seen the report.
 The missile dealing is more evidence that China is going back on
promises made to the U.S. officials that it will take steps to tighten
exports of missile technology covered by the 29-nation Missile Technology
Control Regime (MTCR).
 Officials declined to provide other details about the transfer, citing
concerns about sensitive intelligence involved in the report.
 Numerous reports of Chinese weapons technology transfers to North Korea
and other states, including Iran, in recent months contradict promises made
to the United States by Chinese President Jiang Zemin to impose stricter
export controls on weapons-related goods.
 The latest reports follow other recent intelligence reports on transfers
of missile know-how and components. They have included:
 * In October, U.S. intelligence agencies reported that China had
supplied fiber-optic gyroscopes to North Korea several months earlier.
 * A March 8, 1999, NSA report said China sold specialty steel for North
Korean missiles.
 * Chinese and North Korean scientific institutes also have cooperated in
sharing space technology that U.S. intelligence agencies believe is being
used to hide missile technology sharing.
 * A Defense Intelligence Agency report from June stated that China
supplied accelerometers, gyroscopes and special high-tech machinery to North
Korean missile manufacturers.
 * A report from November 1998 that China provided specialty steel used
in missile frames to North Korea. The transfer prompted a diplomatic note of
protest from the State Department that month.
 * A special House committee that investigated North Korea's weapons of
mass destruction and missile programs examined suspected cooperation between
China and North Korea on developing small nuclear warheads for use on
missiles.
 A House national security aide said the links between China and North
Korea on weapons technology are close and it is likely the Chinese have
allowed the North Koreans to have warhead data. China is known to have
supplied nuclear warhead design information to Pakistan years ago.
 * An Oct. 19 Pentagon intelligence report stated that North Korea is
continuing to develop its long-range Taepo Dong missile that was first tested
in August 1998. Spy agencies believe the single test is enough for the North
Koreans to use the missile in a crisis.
 Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright said in July she was worried
about the Chinese missile transfers to North Korea.
 The secretary said in response to a report on the issue that appeared in
The Washington Times that "we are concerned by reports that DPNK [North
Korea] may be seeking from China materials such as specialty steel for its
missile program."
 The administration takes the reports "seriously" and investigates the
issue, she said, noting that "we have raised our concerns with China, and we
will continue to do so."
 Mrs. Albright sidestepped questions about whether China's
missile-related transfers to North Korea violate U.S. anti-proliferation
laws. She insisted that the administration "will fully and faithfully
implement the requirements of U.S. law."
 U.S. law requires the government to impose economic and other sanctions
on foreign governments and businesses that violate anti-proliferation
statutes.
 North Korean and Pakistani firms were sanctioned last year for missile
activities. Sanctions were imposed briefly on China in the early 1990s for
missile sales to Pakistan. The sanctions were lifted after some months,
however.
 Yu Shuning, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy, denied that China has
sold missile components to North Korea.
 "We have always abided by our commitments so far as the MTCR is
concerned," he said.
 Mr. Yu said since China agreed several years ago not to violate the
missile export agreement in exchange for the United States lifting sanctions
imposed over the M-11 missile technology sales to Pakistan.
 "Since that time, the U.S. government has stated that China has abided
by 

Re: [CTRL] Feral Dogma

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Got my vote.  I'm really not interested in reading a bunch of Bible quotes
tossed around.  If I want some good old fashion Bible thumping, I'll call my
brother.

Kris can you hear me?

Hilary


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From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Feral Dogma


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>>
>>Anybody in favor of making CTRL a dogma-free zone?
>
>
>Aye
>
>>
>>
>>
>>The list appears to need someone like Robert Anton Wilson with his finger
>>on
>
>>the buzzer.
>
>
>A capital suggestion. Why don't you ask him?
>

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[CTRL] Miami protest over boat boy escalates, 80 arrested

[Bill Richer]

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Miami protest over boat boy escalates, 80 arrested


Updated 4:38 PM ET January 6, 2000
By Jim Loney
MIAMI, (Reuters) - Cuban exiles jammed downtown roads, disrupted traffic and
blockaded Miami's port Thursday in angry but peaceful protests against a U.S.
government decision to send a 6-year-old shipwreck survivor back to communist
Cuba.

Helmeted riot police with truncheons confronted dozens of protesters who
marched to Miami's busy seaport and sat down on the pavement at entrance and
exit roads, snarling traffic. About 80 people were arrested, police officials
said.

Miami foes of Cuban President Fidel Castro took to the streets a day after a
ruling by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service that Elian
Gonzalez, who was found in the Atlantic clinging to an inner tube in late
November and brought to Miami, should be returned to his father in Cuba.

"There are 11 million people in Cuba in a big jail. If Elian is sent back, he
will be going to a big jail," said protester Lourdes Chao-Navarrete, moments
before she was handcuffed and led to a waiting police van.

The protests started when several truckers drove at 10 mph along the Dolphin
Expressway, a major road, during the morning rush hours, backing up traffic
for miles. Florida Highway Patrol troopers handed out $85 tickets to the
drivers.

The demonstrations escalated at noon when dozens of exiles gathered outside a
downtown federal building waving red, white and blue Cuban flags. They
swarmed police barricades and streamed around cars on a boulevard, with small
groups breaking off to sit and stand in intersections to block traffic in all
directions.

"That kid should not be sent back to hell," said Maria Elena Cervera, a
46-year-old Cuban-born protester. "I went through that hell when I was a kid
... Are we going to send a child back to prison just to be with his father?"

Some stranded motorists supported them but others objected.

"I think they should stop this. They should be going to court, not here,"
said motorist Armando Garcia, 33, who came to the United States from Cuba at
age 10.

Similar protests over the treatment of refugees last summer infuriated
Miamians.

"Unfortunately we have had to resort to these tactics because the president
is unwilling to understand how traumatic it would be for Elian to be sent
back to Cuba," protest organizer Ramon Saul Sanchez told Reuters.

The INS decision issued on Wednesday marked the latest stage in a politically
charged battle between the 6-year-old boy's father in Cuba, who wants him
back, and relatives in Miami who say Elian should grow up in the United
States.

Elian was plucked from the Atlantic Ocean on Nov 25. He clung to an inner
tube for two days after a smugglers' boat bringing illegal migrants to
Florida capsized. His mother was one of 11 people who died in the disaster.

His father Juan Miguel Gonzalez, a tourism worker who was divorced from the
mother, had appealed for Elian to be sent home to him. Castro's government
said the boy was kidnapped and staged massive rallies in Cuba urging his
return.

In Miami on Thursday, exiles on foot, riding bicycles and at least one
driving a hot dog cart roamed the streets waving signs reading "Justice for
Elian" and "Elian's return; Clinton's infamy." A van festooned with Cuban
flags rolled along Biscayne Boulevard, a speaker blaring: "His mother died
for his freedom."

At the port entrance, protesters argued with police and ignored warnings to
move, asking to be arrested. They were pulled to their feet, handcuffed and
marched into police vans.

"Is this crazy? Only in Miami," a passerby said.

The boy's Miami relatives have vowed to go to court to stop any attempt to
send him back, saying Elian wants political asylum in the United States. But
the INS ruled the father has the legal right to speak for him.

The Miami relatives appealed to Attorney General Janet Reno, a Miamian, to
overturn the decision. But she disappointed them Thursday, saying she backed
INS Commissioner Doris Meissner.

"I fully agree with her determination that the father has the legal right and
the legal authority to speak for his child in immigration matters," Reno said
in Washington.

Legal experts said that even if the Miami relatives were deemed to have legal
standing to sue on Elian's behalf in a U.S. court, a judge was unlikely to
rule in their favor.

"If the father wishes to have the child returned to him and have his
application for political asylum withdrawn, that would trump the claim of the
(Miami) family," said Bernard Perlmutter, a legal expert at the University of
Miami.

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who said Elian's fate should be decided in the courts,
said the protests should be held in a way that would not jeopardize public
safety.

INS officials said Elian should be returned to Cuba by Jan. 14, but as of
Thursday they had not decidedly exactly how and when the boy sho

[CTRL] Buchanan To Attack World Government

[Bill Richer]

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Buchanan To Attack World Government
The Associated Press
Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2000; 7:20 p.m. EST

DURHAM, N.H. –– Reform Party presidential candidate Pat Buchanan is
promising to lead a "millennial struggle" against the steady emergence of a
world government "where all nations yield up their sovereignty and fade
away."

In a draft of a speech he plans to deliver Thursday in Boston, the
twice-failed Republican presidential candidate said the Clinton
administration is allowing the United Nations to intrude on America's
sovereignty.

He also said the United States is guilty of "trampling on the sovereignty" of
other nations by injecting troops in internal conflicts, such as Kosovo. The
speech was provided to The Associated Press.

"If ever sovereignty becomes obsolete, we may expect America's involvement in
endless wars until, one day, we pay a horrific price in some act of
cataclysmic terror on our own soil," Buchanan said. "For interventionism is
the spawning pool of international terror."

Buchanan left the GOP last year to seek the Reform Party nomination after his
initial 2000 presidential bid as a Republican stalled. He blamed the
Republican establishment for his failure, saying party leaders were lining up
behind the front-runner, Texas Gov. George W. Bush.

New York tycoon Donald Trump also is seeking the Reform nomination.

In the speech, Buchanan named politicians, journalists and Clinton
administration officials who appear to embrace globalism over nationalism –
proponents of the so-called "New World Order," a phrase Buchanan attributed
to Bush's father, former President George Bush.

Buchanan's examples included President Clinton calling himself a "citizen of
the world" and Vice President Al Gore – a candidate for the Democratic
presidential nomination – agreeing to a global environmental pact. The United
Nations is quietly seeking authority over U.S. troops and control of the
nation's borders, Buchanan said.

"This then is a millennial struggle that succeeds the Cold War: It is the
struggle of patriots of every nation against a world government where all
nations yield up their sovereignty and fade away," he said.

"My vision is of a republic, not an empire – a nation that does not go to war
unless she is attacked, or her vital interests are imperiled, or her honor
impugned. And when she does go to war, it is only after following a
constitutional declaration by the Congress," Buchanan said. "We are not
imperialists; we are not interventionists; we are not hegemonists; and we are
not isolationists. We simply believe in America first, last and always."

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[CTRL] The 12 days of Y2K

[Nurev Ind Research]

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By Peyton Coyner, a member of the Not Ready for the Algonquin Society
(i.e., jokewrites for the Washington Post):


On the 12 day of Y2K the Militia gave to me
12 sawed off shotguns
11 cases Sterno
10 gallons Perrier
9 lbs of Spam
8 quarts Wild Turkey
7 goose down fart sacks
6 pit bulls snarling
5 krugerrands
4 hidden land mines
3 generators
2 kilos good grass
and a copy of Mein Kampf to sit and read.

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Re: [CTRL] Feral Dogma

[nessie]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>Anybody in favor of making CTRL a dogma-free zone?


Aye

>
>
>
>The list appears to need someone like Robert Anton Wilson with his finger
>on

>the buzzer.


A capital suggestion. Why don't you ask him?

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[CTRL] Information Sources: Manchurian Candidates & Mind Control

[Dave]

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


Excerpt from recent e-mail that you may find useful...mind control keeps
popping up as a thread in theories on Waco, Unabomber, OKC, school
shootings, HUD financial fraud and loan sales.what I am finding is that
family and friends really want to learn about corruption (they have kind of
had it, but do not know what to do next) but need a fun energizing way to do
it. I am having much better luck with movies available at
Blockbuster.that is why financing and buying new movies like Uri
(Dowbenko) and
Dan's (Hopsicker) work is so important.

-Original Message-
From:   Catherine Austin Fitts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Wednesday, January 05, 2000 2:12 PM
Subject:Information Sources: Manchurian Candidates & Mind Control

Family & Friends:

I am sending this is response from several requests of you for more
information on mind control technology and its application with Americans
without their consent by US intelligence, military, enforcement
organizations and their university, academic and corporate partners,
contractors and affiliates. I am sending this e-mail to provide a list of
quick and easy information sources. I am working on longer list that I will
send next month.

Most information about mind control technology has been kept behind an
extraordinary blanket of secrecy by the National Security Act and
professional safeguards and fear for personal safety. Perhaps most
important, has been our understandable reluctance to learn about what has
happened to our country since the assassination of the Kennedy's and Martin
Luther King and the extant to which covert operations domestically controls
politics, policy and resources. This could never have happened without mind
control technology being available as a tool to manipulate and blackmail
leaders in the legal and legislative system. Understanding mind control
technology is one of the steps that is desirable to take if we are
interested in understanding what is happening in government in American and
why. As my pastor says, if we can face it, God can fix it. This is not
something for us to fix. Our sunshine is what will help others who can.

The best website on mind control technology is the website for the Advocacy
Committee for Human Experimentation
Survivors & Mind Control, know as MC-ACHES. The URL is
http://www.aches-mc.org You can link to the CKLN radio interviews on Mind
Control from this site. These interviews are some of the best sources I have
found.

Stella has been a godsend (so what's new?) in helping me learn as I go how
to introduce and explain this issue. Many of you have also provided
excellent tips and ideas. If I may summarize, what we have learned is that
the key to learning about mind control is understanding a little of the
"story". The best way to learn some of the story is to have fun doing it. I
have found that about everything under the sun has been provided us by
Hollywood, if we are just willing to face the fact that fiction is a
metaphor for a reality that is too dangerous for a business to put real
names too. So my recommendation to you is to start with the movies, which
should be available for rental at your local Blockbuster:

There has been an increase in popular movies and books coming out on mind
control. I am told by one reporter covering mind control issues that mind
control technology has caused too many "messes" (Waco, Jonestown, recent
school shootings) at the same time that many of the leaders are retiring and
dying. Hence, powerful interests in the intelligence community are trying to
negate this technology by subjecting it to some sunshine through popular
culture. Others say that both mind control technology and human cloning have
advanced to the point that the mind control tools I experienced are no
longer needed. Indeed, given the maintenance problems, that illumination of
old mind control technology will help protect cutting edge covert operations
in human cloning and mind control from scrutiny. While I do not know what is
true, these theories are compatible with the recent increase in movies and
what appears to be a inability or failure to continue to maintain mind
control programming in people in programs like Monarch.

Videos on Mind Control

The Manchurian Candidate
Telefon
The Long Kiss Goodnight
Eyes Wide Shut (should be out soon)
Fight Club (should be out soon)
Death and the Maiden (presented as South America, but it is about the top
Nazi programmer used in US)
Inside John Malkovitch (in theatres now)

Videos on How Government Really Works in the US

Oliver Stone's JFK
Bullworth
Enemy of the State

I will send you a more complete list of videos including documentaries and
books when the full information sources piece is done. The ACHES site has a
good bibliography if you want more. I have also sent some of you copies of
The Franklin Cover Up by John DeCamp, which is available from Amazon in
paperback. DeCa

[CTRL] WPG

[earthman]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hi received the following re WPG.

Peter

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[CTRL] End-UFO-Cover-Up: Democratic Presidential Candidate

[DIG alfred webre]

 >HEATHER HARDER Presidential News Briefs: 1/3/2000
 >
 >Happy New Year! By now most of you have realized that for the most part
 >the Y2K bug didn't bite. The year 2000 came in with a glorious nonevent.
 >Thanks to the prayers, meditations, and intentions, the National Guard was
not
 >needed and thankfully the generators are still unused. We all have a lot to
 >be grateful for. As for me I was nested away in Concord, New Hampshire and
 >quietly greeted the new year as a dear old friend who will soon be gone
 >again. As time implodes on itself (and it is) 2000 will soon be gone so do
 >not waste a minute, but be ever vigilant and always living consciously and
 >with intention. Your thoughts are becoming reality more and more quickly.
 >
 >My Concord address is 5 S. State Street, Concord, New Hampshire 03301,
 >603-227-0757 and our new office is at 18 Main Street, Concord. The cell
phone
 >is still 219-629-0514. The weather has been wonderful and I welcome all of
 >you to come on up and help me knock on doors and make phone calls. We need
 >all the help we can get by Feb. 1, 2000. If you decide to come, call so we
can
 >clear a spot on the floor. Bring your own blow up mattress, linens and good
 >spirits. It is an exciting place to be. If you can't join me, give me a call
 >and I can still give you some names to call and jobs to do from a distance.
 >Meanwhile call everyone you know in New Hampshire and Iowa and tell them how
 >important it is to get out and vote for Heather Harder. Also contact every
 >club and organization you may belong to and ask them to get the word out.
 >
 >We are still posting new position statements so please continue to read
 >them and then pass them along to others who might be interested. Take a
moment to read the hemp position statement. After writing it, I am ready to
march
 >on Washington myself. We all need to get behind this incredible crop. It
 >alone has the power to address many of the problems this country now faces.
I
 >also recommend reading the Farm Position Paper. Our farm friends are the
keepers of
 >the land and they need our voice to join with theirs to ensure their
 >survival. We are losing approximately 70 family farms a day. At this rate we
 >will all be at the mercy of Monsanto before long, and standing in line to
eat
 >their pretend food.
 >
 >We are still busy meeting the FEC fundraising requirements for a
credible
 >candidate. The $5,000 in 20 states draws closer with every check that we
 >receive. Thank you all very much for your continued support. Teams are still
 >busy working to raise the money and we can use your help. Please send a
 >donation immediately. Your check, money order or credit card donation really
 >helps to keep the office running, and please continue to encourage your
 >friends to also give. A check for a dollar or more does make a difference.
 >
 >   Every Sunday night at 8 p.m. Central Time we join in a conference call to
 >check campaign donation progress and join in the fellowship with each other.
 >If you would like to join us, just call the office to receive instruction.
 >
 >---Ballot access continues to be a major challenge. We have a petition
drive going on in many states including Pennsylvania (Contact Ariel
215-489-9815 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Indiana (Doris at hdqters
219-663-7340 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Washington (Cathy
206-999-0952 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Illinois (Derek 630-637-7291 or
email [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Montana (Louise 406-222-1502) If you have
time to help, please contact your state coordinator. You can't vote for me if
I am not on your ballot.
 >
 >Since I have often been called the "higher consciousness candidate" I
 >decided to live up to the image. We have redone our campaign signs, buttons,
 >and bumper stickers to reflect our new image-they are a beautiful shade of
 >purple and look fabulous! We even have magnetic signs for your cars so you
can
 >tell the world who you support while driving around. We now have two sizes
of
 >yard signs -the standard 14 X 22 and a really big 28 X 44. Call the office
so
 >you can make arrangements to get yours today.
 >
 >As most of you have noticed, I have not yet broken through the national
 >media barrier. Now we are asking you for your help. First "see/intend" me on
 >the national show of your choice. Then take action to make it happen. As the
 >Dalai Lama said, "To bring about change, prayer and mediation are not
 >enough-one must take action." Adopt a talk show that you would like to see
me
 >on-study it. Read the credits to know who the producer is. Then send them
 >information about why I need to be on their show. Remember their only
concern
 >is producing an interesting show so tell them why I would make a great show.
 >Give them the show ideas. Every library and bookstore has books on media
that
 >can help you. But don't give up until you see me on the show! They say the
 >difference between a pro

[CTRL] Feral Dogma

[Dale Stonehouse]

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Anybody in favor of making CTRL a dogma-free zone?

The list appears to need someone like Robert Anton Wilson with his finger on
the buzzer.

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[mikus]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>How many times did Jesus say,  "It is written..." ???  He said it
>many times,  because He expected us to learn it for ourselves,  rely upon
>HIS WORD,  and quit depending upon others to tell us how it will and won't
>be.

 Not being an avid religious scholar, I'll note now that ALL that
follows is IMO (not IMHO, since I believe that Humble is a submissive word,
and no longer belongs in my vocabulary).
 A problem I percieve with the above is that I am still being asked to
rely on someones word,  HIS, or others It is still asking me to put my
own free-will(so-called) in the hands of another, on a (and admittedly the
oldest) simple BELIEF system, and set of age-old promises.
 I have been Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, and other faiths I can't
even remember.  I left most of the individual churches because most people
were either openly, or behind closed doors, criticizing everyone else in the
group.  I came to realize that the conflict was within my own moral and
ethical codes.  For some reason, I felt my own morals were greater than
those being preached by the ministers.
 Although I am not exactly a believer right now, I know somewhere in the
back of my consciousness, I may still be, yet, all my senses, and thought
processes tell me I am not going anywhere after this physical life ceases to
continue.


>I am neither New Testament or Old Testament...  However, you can't have the
>new without the old.  A testament is a will,  a decree of how things are
>and
>will be done.  The New Testament did not do away with the old,  it simply
>solidified the whole.

Or was it just an update to make the story jive with the times?  Could a
further installment be yet due?  Maybe a NEWER Testament?  Soon to be
followed by a Bigger, Better, and Improved Testament?

>You have to take both with a full understanding of it
>all,  or you will literally miss the whole truth.  THAT is why there are so
>many false doctrines out there...  because there are too many who refuse to
>accept the new,  and many more who only accept the new withoug the old.
>AND
>then there are those who have to "SEE TO BELIEVE"...  must have physical
>evidence for everything...

It is in that sentence that allows the seperation to continue to this day.
Those who believe in this matter, and are told to believe on faith alone,
MUST be told that the ones who want Physical proof, are the ones who will
never believe.  And further, if a believer starts asking about having
physical proof, or the lack thereof, he/she is accused of losing their
faith, or worse yet, falling toward the side of the Devil.  It is a VERY
good way, IMO, of keeping the illusion alive.

>  they are the lawyers,  the same ones CHRIST
>called "liars", "vipers",  and "hypocrits".   Those who cannot understand
>His speech.. John 8:44.

 This part is where the the Prejudice is inserted into the Believers
consciousness.  THINK of these people as BAD.  THEY are not to be TRUSTED.
I don't believe that Christ, if HE was indeed real, and the SON of GOD,
would have condoned discrimination.  What ever happened to
Turn-The-Other-Cheek?

>
>Signs and wonders are given on a daily basis about what time it is,
>spiritually speaking.  If you want to drag physical phenomenon into the
>issue,  you only need to look around you.  The world is in the shape it's
>in,  because from the beginning,  it chose sin and disobedience rather than
>truth and life.

 What is this IT?
 I am not part of this all encompassing SOCIETY, if that is what you are
refering to.
 Disobedience of what?
 I have yet to violate any of my own core beliefs, or values, and not
repent that violation to my own inner conversation.  I understand when I
disappoint myself, but how do I know when I have disappointed some percieved
authority figure who won't tell me when I have done so?  I would like a
chance to correct my mistakes before I meet this so-called Maker.
 What is Truth?
 I know what mine is, but fear many others in the world we know of have
adopted someone elses 2000 year old version of the truth.  It is not an
inherently bad truth, taken as a set of ideals, or morals to integrate into
ourselves.  It is the application, abuse, and multitudes of interpretations
that pervade this world.

>
>eagle 1
>

Someone else said:

> > > Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is
>quite
> > > enough of a challenge for any of us.
>

Today is enough for me to deal with.  Life is an incredible challenge, and
I'll let any judging that needs to be done, be done at the end of my living.
  I believe in my own constitution, or Testament if-you-will, and believe
that if there is an afterlife, admittance is going to be judged, not on a
universal set of rules and regs, but how well I lived my life according to
my own ideals, and dreams.  If there is an afterlife, I also don't believe
that there is any Pearly Gates, or Front Door E

[CTRL] Erythromycin causes pyloric stenosis in newborns (CDC report)

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Rising tide of allopathic iatrogenesis-
"surgery required" to cure pyloric stenosis CAUSED by giving antibiotic
Erythromycin  to newborns as whooping cough therapy.
Iatrogenesis (doctor &/or  pharmaceutical CREATED illness) is now the 4th
leading cause of death in the U.S., Canada, & U.K - probably elsewhere in
proportion to the dominance of the allopathic cut, burn, & poison (surgery,
radiation, anti-biotic & other antipathetic pharmaceuticals) deadly "modern
medicine" ..
http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave/altmedcon.htm

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


-Original Message-
From: Alan Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 10:22 AM


 December 17, 1999 The New York Times

 Study Links Antibiotic to a Disorder in Newborns
 By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
 ATLANTA, Dec. 16 -- A common antibiotic used to treat whooping cough in
newborns caused a severe stomach disorder in seven babies at a Tennessee
hospital, the government said today in a report that stunned pediatricians.
 Doctors said the report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
was the first to strongly link the antibiotic erythromycin to pyloric
stenosis, an illness among newborns that blocks digestion and causes
projectile vomiting. The illness must be treated with surgery.

 "Wow!" said Dr. William Kanto, director of the children's hospital at the
Medical College of Georgia in Augusta. "I think it's going to make everybody
pause whenever they decide to give erythromycin to a newborn."

 The disease control centers said doctors and parents needed to be aware of
the potentially serious side effect of the antibiotic. But the agency said
it  was still recommending erythromycin as the treatment of choice for
newborns  with whooping cough, which puts most infected babies in the
hospital and can be fatal.

 A 1994-96 study found an average of about 1,900 cases of whooping cough a
year among infants in the United States.

 The centers said a hospital in Knoxville, Tenn., prescribed erythromycin to
200 babies born there in February after they were exposed to whooping cough
by a hospital worker.

 Seven of the newborns became ill with pyloric stenosis, in which a muscle
at  the bottom of the stomach enlarges, blocking food from passing to the
small intestine. All of the babies recovered.

 It is rare for a large number of infants to be prescribed erythromycin at
the  same place and time, but that is what enabled the centers to make the
connection between the antibiotic and pyloric stenosis. The side effect is
too rare for doctors to see the link in isolated cases.

-Original Message-
From: Morgan Family [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 4:12 PM
To: Alan Phillips
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: [Fwd: FYI]]


Alan,
Check this out,My daughter and son both got whooping cough(without the
vaccine's help),and my daughter was treated with Erythromycin antibiotic! My
son got whooping cough 3 weeks after my daughter did.She was 2,he was 5. She
would vomit,and it would practically shoot accross the room! It was so
extensive and nerve-wracking,when the doctors who prescribed it for my
daughter found out I had a son who would probably get it,they said I should
get me,my husband,and our son on the anti-biotics too,before we get it.They
said we should all come in for testing. I told them to stick it in their
ear!
The Health Dept.called twice to urge us to come in. I said we're dealing
with
this ourselves! My husband and I never got ill. We never went in. And my
son's
vomiting was not nearly as bad as my daughter's. I now attribute my
daughter's projectile vomiting ,to the antibiotic Erythromycin! Share this
with others if you'd like,Smiles,Kat

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

[pennie hammons]

 -Caveat Lector-

All I'm trying to say is that no one should feel that they have God all
figured out, because that isn't possible. We who love the Lord will know a
tree by it's fruit, no matter who comes first. The more I learn the more I
realize how little I know. This isn't what we are supposed to be doing with
all of our time. It is not good to separate yourself from the church instead
of praying for enlightenment for the ones around you who are earnestly
seeking God. It is pure arrogance to think you are better than those who go
to church. I go so I can be humbled with the knowledge that God loves them
all and none of us are perfect. Anti-religeon is not the answer. Stay in the
body, it's the only way the whole body will eventually come together with no
more division.


>From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:49:47 -0600
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>Pennie,
>The whole of Matthew 24,  Mark 13 and Luke 21 and MORE,  is dedicated to
>us,
>for learning WHO the false messiah is in the last days.  Jesus taught that
>there is one specifically coming in HIS name.  I've researched it for
>myself,  and I do believe the antichrist [one who comes in the stead of
>Jesus]  comes first on the scene powering first the NWO to prep the way for
>his appearance.  This is from my own research not from traditions or false
>doctrine.  I got tired of being lied to as a child and as an adult.  So,  I
>dove in, and learned the truth for myself.
>
>Jesus was explicit in those chapters referenced of how it would be in the
>last days,  warning of the false one(s) who would come in HIS name in the
>last days...  speaking to the last generation.  That is what those chapters
>are completely about... referring to the antichrist and how to recognize
>him
>and his mark.  THEN,  He is even more explicit in description in His
>Revealing ...  chapters 13, and 11 specifically though the whole most of
>Revelation is dedicated to what will happen to those who do not believe
>that
>the one who  verse 11: "Looks like the Lamb of God,  but speaks like
>Dragon"
>is the true Messiah.
>
>I've researched this for over 20 years.  My own personal conclusions from
>the prophecies given throughout the Bible is that the antichrist will come
>masquerading / disguised as Jesus.  It's what he's wanted to do all along.
>(Isaiah 14:12-16) God will allow this to happen for a very specific reason.
>You can read the study on the "Four Winds" at
>http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds...
>But hey,  don't believe me,  believe the Words of God and Christ.  They
>laid
>it out line upon line,  precept upon precept.  If you don't believe it
>now...  just remember you were warned,  when you do learn the truth of the
>matter.  I just pray you are not one of those who is gripped with
>paralyzing
>fear,  when you realize who the false messiah really is.  See Revelation ch
>11.  There is much more to this,  but will be getting more and more off
>topic and into something that deserves a better forum to discuss.
>
>I will discuss this with you further off the CTRL List,  if you like,  or
>there is a list that I have specifically for these types of topics if you'd
>like.
>
>eagle 1
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "pennie hammons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Be careful, Eagle1. Nowhere does it say that the antichrist, if it is
>one
> > man, will claim to be Jesus. This is another one taught to us by
>tradition,
> > not the Bible. Just imagine for a moment that the first to come realy IS
> > Jesus, would you crucify Him because you think you know the way it HAS
>to
> > happen? Pennie
> > >
> > >KDS,
> > >"Thief in the night"  is a term latched on to by traditions of men,
>though
> > >the words are there,  it has been twisted by men and his doctrines.  It
>has
> > >been taken out of it's perspective and replaced into another.  JESUS
>was
>no
> > >thief...  and he will come as no thief,  per se.  He will unexpectedly
>come
> > >to those who have believed a false doctrine such as rapture or
> > >amilleniumism, etc.,  because those who believe those perversion of
> > >doctrines will believe that the first one who comes claiming to be
>Jesus
> > >Christ is the true messiah come to 'rapture' them away;  when he will
> > >actually be the antichrist. The first taken out of the field is taken
>to
> > >this camp...  Personally,  I don't care to be in that group.
>
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Re: [CTRL] [OPF]Police or Soldiers, which are they?

[lloyd]

 -Caveat Lector-

..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: Gary Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OPF]Police or Soldiers, which are they?
Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 6:59 PM


Sons of Liberty No 16
(http://www.illusions.com/opf/sol16.htm)
September 1, 1995

They tell us, sir, that we are weak - unable to cope with so
formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will
it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we
are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be
stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by
irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of
effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs, and
hugging the delusive phantom of Hope, until our enemies
shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak, if
we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature
hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in
the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that
which we posses are invincible by any force which our enemy
can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our
battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the
destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight
our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong
alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.
Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to
desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest.
There is no retreat, but in submission and slavery! Our
chains are forged, their clanking may be heard on the plains
of Boston! The war is inevitable - and let it come!! I
repeat it, sir, let it come!!!

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may
cry, peace, peace - but there is no peace. The war is
actually begun. The next gale that sweeps from the North
will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our
brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?
What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is
life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the
price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know
not what course others may take; but as for me -- give me
liberty or give me death!"

   Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775


Under British rule violations of law were dealt with by
constables and magistrates. There was no 'police force', so
whenever force was needed to apprehend an accused criminal,
the citizenry, under the 'posse comitatus,' would assist the
constable. When the citizenry would not comply, or other
circumstances warranted a larger force, the army was called.
The army had to be requested by the Governor, and approval
given by the General officer over the troops. This was
predicated on an old English concept that the military
authority SHALL BE SUBORDINATE to the civil authority.

In March, 1775, General Gage commanded about 5700 men with
which to provide 'police powers' and defense of an estimated
3 million colonists within the colonies. This calculates to
less than 2.9 'law enforcement officers for every one
thousand people.

In 1991, the FBI reported that there were 2.8 local 'law
enforcement officers' for every one thousand people. This
number doesn't include corrections officers, civilian staff.
or federal alphabet agencies, nor does it include the
military, which comprises 9.9 per one thousand. We more
closely achieve Patrick Henry's concern of the number of
"guard[s] ... stationed in every house."

As we grasp at the "illusive phantom of Hope" we seem to
fail to recognize that the government is more fearful of its
people than at any time since well into the War of
Independence. Congressional hearings -- offered as an
appeasement; BATF sending a warning to all law enforcement
agencies advising them to be cautious around militia
personnel (See April 25, 1995 Outpost of Freedom release);
increased security at the White House, including closing a
portion of Pennsylvania Avenue -- in a free country?; and,
the rampant growth of militia and common law courts --
especially since April 19, 1995.

The question arises -- With all that is going on in the
courts and with more representatives listening to us, isn't
it just a matter of time before we return to a
Constitutional Republic?

This is a question that cannot be answered, until it is too
late if the answer is found to be in the negative. We can,
however, look at what has occurred over the past fifty years
(since efforts first began, in earnest, to convert back to a
proper form of government) and we will find that there is
not one single year in which we have not lost ground in this
effort. The current year provides an excellent example. With
all of the talk about how well we are doing, we fail to
recognize that HR 97 (The Rapid Deployment Strike Force
Act); HR 666 (Exclusionary Rule Reform Act of 1995); HR 667
(Violent Criminal Incarceration Act of 1995); 

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[Robert Tatman]

 -Caveat Lector-

Exactly! And, IMHO, THIS is precisely what Jesus says time and time again:
no one--no human being--is ever going to know when the Endtimes will begin.
That is a divine prerogative, and desiring to usurp that prerogative is
purest hubris, overweening pride, the pride that goeth before a fall. Even
to SPECULATE about it borders on hubris. Our part in the drama is here and
now--to spread the good news, to demonstrate *through our own lives* the
truth of Christ's message, to build a society that embodies the ethical
principles Jesus taught...which are virtually identical with the core
ethical teachings of all great religions, like it or not. Please note that I
DON'T say that our role is to go out and convert all of humanity. Conversion
is between the individual and God...we can bring the sinner to the altar,
but it must be the sinner's choice to kneel and ask for God's forgiveness.

- Original Message -
From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> And ya know, one can find statements like these all through historic
times.
>
> Arrogance.
>
> MHO
> Om
> K
>
> In a message dated 1/6/00 10:05:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a
watch?
> >


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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[pennie hammons]

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>
>Pennie,
>ISRAEL is the OLIVE TREE...
>The fig trees were planted...  symbollic of the true lineage of HEBREWS and
>the false ones who claim they are [HEBREWS] 'Jews' but are not.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand who you are refering to when you say
"those who say they are Jews, but are not". Does anyone really say that? I
don't know of anyone who claims to be a Jew and isn't. I certainly didn't
see anyone doing that 60 years ago, either. Since when does God care about
"True lineage", when Rehab and Ruth were both foreigners, yet still
ancesters of David and Jesus. They obviously didn't have true lineage. I
really don't think that is what Jesus means when he says that about the
Synagogue of Satan. That is a spiritual thing, a choice.
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

[Eagle 1]

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Pennie,
The whole of Matthew 24,  Mark 13 and Luke 21 and MORE,  is dedicated to us,
for learning WHO the false messiah is in the last days.  Jesus taught that
there is one specifically coming in HIS name.  I've researched it for
myself,  and I do believe the antichrist [one who comes in the stead of
Jesus]  comes first on the scene powering first the NWO to prep the way for
his appearance.  This is from my own research not from traditions or false
doctrine.  I got tired of being lied to as a child and as an adult.  So,  I
dove in, and learned the truth for myself.

Jesus was explicit in those chapters referenced of how it would be in the
last days,  warning of the false one(s) who would come in HIS name in the
last days...  speaking to the last generation.  That is what those chapters
are completely about... referring to the antichrist and how to recognize him
and his mark.  THEN,  He is even more explicit in description in His
Revealing ...  chapters 13, and 11 specifically though the whole most of
Revelation is dedicated to what will happen to those who do not believe that
the one who  verse 11: "Looks like the Lamb of God,  but speaks like Dragon"
is the true Messiah.

I've researched this for over 20 years.  My own personal conclusions from
the prophecies given throughout the Bible is that the antichrist will come
masquerading / disguised as Jesus.  It's what he's wanted to do all along.
(Isaiah 14:12-16) God will allow this to happen for a very specific reason.
You can read the study on the "Four Winds" at
http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds...
But hey,  don't believe me,  believe the Words of God and Christ.  They laid
it out line upon line,  precept upon precept.  If you don't believe it
now...  just remember you were warned,  when you do learn the truth of the
matter.  I just pray you are not one of those who is gripped with paralyzing
fear,  when you realize who the false messiah really is.  See Revelation ch
11.  There is much more to this,  but will be getting more and more off
topic and into something that deserves a better forum to discuss.

I will discuss this with you further off the CTRL List,  if you like,  or
there is a list that I have specifically for these types of topics if you'd
like.

eagle 1

- Original Message -
From: "pennie hammons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Be careful, Eagle1. Nowhere does it say that the antichrist, if it is one
> man, will claim to be Jesus. This is another one taught to us by
tradition,
> not the Bible. Just imagine for a moment that the first to come realy IS
> Jesus, would you crucify Him because you think you know the way it HAS to
> happen? Pennie
> >
> >KDS,
> >"Thief in the night"  is a term latched on to by traditions of men,
though
> >the words are there,  it has been twisted by men and his doctrines.  It
has
> >been taken out of it's perspective and replaced into another.  JESUS was
no
> >thief...  and he will come as no thief,  per se.  He will unexpectedly
come
> >to those who have believed a false doctrine such as rapture or
> >amilleniumism, etc.,  because those who believe those perversion of
> >doctrines will believe that the first one who comes claiming to be Jesus
> >Christ is the true messiah come to 'rapture' them away;  when he will
> >actually be the antichrist. The first taken out of the field is taken to
> >this camp...  Personally,  I don't care to be in that group.

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[CTRL] Miami Trooper Claims Cover Up for drunken FBI agent

[Richard Sampson]

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http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpnt1p.htm

Miami Trooper Claims Cover Up

  MIAMI (AP) -- A state trooper
  investigating the deaths of two
  brothers in a crash blamed on a
  drunken FBI agent said he was
  ordered to sign a report falsely
  blaming the victims.

  Highway Patrol Trooper Rene
  Guillen said he was told by
  supervisors what to put in the
  report on the Nov. 23 accident on
  Interstate 95, The Miami Herald
  reported Wednesday.

  The family of brothers Maurice
  Williams, 23, and Craig Chambers,
  19, said the investigation was
  tailored to protect FBI agent David
  Farrall at the expense of the
  brothers' reputation. The FBI and
  the patrol have rejected those
  assertions.

  It took more than a month for the
  patrol to identify Farrall as the
  driver at fault. He was later placed
  on paid leave.

  Farrall, 36, was going the wrong
  way and driving with a
  blood-alcohol level more than
  double the state limit, the Highway
  Patrol said. He has not been
  charged.

  Highway Patrol rules prohibit
  Guillen, 23, from commenting
  directly on an active accident
  investigation. He gave an account to
  his union representative, who
  briefed the Herald.

  Guillen said his senior officers
  assumed that because Farrall was an
  FBI agent, he couldn't have been
  traveling the wrong way on I-95.
  With less than a year's experience on
  the force, Guillen deferred to more
  seasoned investigators, said his
  representative, Cpl. Ed Hotaling.

   AP-NY-01-06-00 0102EST

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 000106b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE THE ENTIRE BULLETIN WHEN YOU REPLY; CUT/PASTE, EH?
* No immunized post-political hacks were harmed to produce this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ SURF'S UP! http://mooneyesusa.com/RE015.GIF
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Mars probe canyon crash theory. (BBC) The Mars Polar Lander lost a month
  ago may have met its end in a catastrophic tumble down the sides of a deep
  canyon. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_593000/593264.stm

# Also: Nasa to scan Mars for lost probe:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_564000/564613.stm
# Mars probe silence signals failure:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_553000/553861.stm
# Mars: Mission impossible?
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_552000/552574.stm

: Have you lost any space probes lately? Do you blame geography, bad math,
bad vibes, communist saboteurs, demonic possession, aliens, robots, me???
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Refugees claim Spice Islands deaths. AMBON, Indonesia (AP) -- Refugees
  fleeing violence between Christian and Muslim militias in Indonesia's
  eastern islands said hundreds of people were killed in fighting Tuesday &
  Wednesday. http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563067790-ff3

# Egypt to arrest violence culprits. CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - The government will
  arrest the "real culprits" behind three days of Muslim-Christian clashes
  that left 20 dead in southern Egypt, a bishop from the region said Wednes-
  day. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563068892-af2

: Would you rather kill Xians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, pagans, atheists, Zen
Buddhists, capitalists, communists, UFOlogists, urologists, Reptilioids, me?
Does your belief system promote killing? Is it mandatory, optional, scored?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ A United Nations Approach for UFOlogy. It is difficult to believe we have
  arrived at a new century without solving the UFO mystery. I tend to belive
  this is because of the division in the ranks of the people working on this
  problem. We need a unified, "U.N." approach: http://caus.org/mc010400.htm

: How would you solve the UFO mystery? Would you establish an international
bureaucracy? Do international bureaucracies solve many problems? Do you have
other models that may work better? Have you solved any UFO mysteries lately?

# A Century Of UFOs: http://www.caus.org/pn010300.htm
# Top 10 UFO News Stories of 1999: http://www.caus.org/pn010500.htm
# Fireball Under Intelligent Control: http://www.caus.org/mu010300.htm
# Flying Triangle & Wings Sighted: http://www.caus.org/ft010600.htm
# Little Silent Flying Things: http://www.caus.org/mu010500.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Scary thought: Engineering ultimate athlete. (LADN) With each passing
  day, science comes closer to identifying the full mysteries of DNA and
  the genetic code. When it does, and it will soon, the possibility becomes
  very real that genes could be altered to produce the super athlete. And?
  http://www.spokane.net/news-story-body.asp?Date=010100&ID=s726993&cat=

: Have you engineered any athletes lately? Would you rather engineer jocks,
lawyers, rock stars, troops, engineers, telemarketers, pilots, babes, me??

# Scientist Envisages Tiny Computers in Human Cells (Reuters)
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/000105/14/science-science-computer
# Each Nostril Smells the World Differently - Report (Reuters)
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/000105/14/science-science-nostrils
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# YELTSIN GETS STATESMAN'S WELCOME IN HOLY LAND. Boris Yeltsin said he felt
  "like a saint" after arriving in the Holy Land on a Christmas pilgrimage
  that afforded the pomp & security befitting the head of state he was until
  last week. The former Russian leader is on a private visit. Yeltsin making
  frequent rest stops: www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/01/05/yeltsin.trip.02.ap

: Have you felt like a saint lately? Would you rather feel like a saint, a
sinner, an angel, a demon, an alien, a robot, a sheep, an octopus, a loo??

# Accused ex-pastor's defense: I was giving sex-ed lessons!
  http://www.sjmercury.com/premium/local/docs/deporte06.htm
# Littleton cop busted for ordering "date rape" drugs:
  http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0106net2.shtml
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ To prevent another year of 
  stuffy know-it-alls 
  going on 
  ad nauseum  about when
   the new millennium
   will really begin,
   I say we a

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[Eagle 1]

 -Caveat Lector-

Pennie,
ISRAEL is the OLIVE TREE...
The fig trees were planted...  symbollic of the true lineage of HEBREWS and
the false ones who claim they are [HEBREWS] 'Jews' but are not. The fig
trees were planted when ISRAEL, was planted in Jerusalem,  around the hills
of the Mount of Olives.  This happened both symbolically as well as
physically.

Jesus said to "LEARN the parable of the fig tree".  He said nothing about
ISRAEL being the fig tree.  Here's a wealth of information on that subject
and more...
http://www.thefigtree.com/

eagle 1

- Original Message -
From: "pennie hammons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> KS, I have always believed the fig tree-Israel parable until recently. Now
> I'm not so sure. Where in the Bible does God ever refer to Israel as a fig
> tree? She is always the olive tree. It very well could be refering to
> something else. It could be refering to the tree that Adam and Eve hid in
> when they ate the fruit of knowledge. Who know? We've been taught what all
> of the prophesies mean by men instead of letting the Holy Spirit interpret
> them for us. Daniel's 70 weeks, a time, times and half a time. All of
those
> things are NOT solved by any means.
>
>
> >From: KDS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
> >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:06:12 -0600
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> >If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a
watch?
> >Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and
why
> >give us
> >any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or
the
> >hour
> >but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the
> >clock
> >started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as
> >the
> >other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
> >fufilled..
> >ks
> >
> >Robert Tatman wrote:
> >
> > >  -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV):
"So
> > > when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time
> >when
> > > you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for
you
> >to
> > > know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own
authority.
> >But
> > > you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you
> >will
> > > be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the
ends
> >of
> > > the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time
> > > propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the
> >Second
> > > Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I
am
> > > speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives
> >which
> > > imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the
> >Truth.
> > > Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is
quite
> > > enough of a challenge for any of us.
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
> > >
> > > > -Caveat Lector-
> > > >
> > > > BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses.
> >MHO
> > > >
> > > > Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure
religious
> > > > pomposity!
> > > >
> > > > Om
> > > > K
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > >
> > > > >However,  there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the
> >"last
> > > > >days".  It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the
one
> >who
> > > > >would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the
> >parable
> > > > >of
> > > > >the Fig Tree to the multitude.  

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

[pennie hammons]

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Be careful, Eagle1. Nowhere does it say that the antichrist, if it is one
man, will claim to be Jesus. This is another one taught to us by tradition,
not the Bible. Just imagine for a moment that the first to come realy IS
Jesus, would you crucify Him because you think you know the way it HAS to
happen? Pennie
>
>KDS,
>"Thief in the night"  is a term latched on to by traditions of men,  though
>the words are there,  it has been twisted by men and his doctrines.  It has
>been taken out of it's perspective and replaced into another.  JESUS was no
>thief...  and he will come as no thief,  per se.  He will unexpectedly come
>to those who have believed a false doctrine such as rapture or
>amilleniumism, etc.,  because those who believe those perversion of
>doctrines will believe that the first one who comes claiming to be Jesus
>Christ is the true messiah come to 'rapture' them away;  when he will
>actually be the antichrist. The first taken out of the field is taken to
>this camp...  Personally,  I don't care to be in that group.
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[pennie hammons]

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-
>
>And ya know, one can find statements like these all through historic times.
>
>Arrogance.
>
>MHO
>Om
>K


Kris, it's not arrogance. It's HOPE. Pennie

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>In a message dated 1/6/00 10:05:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a
>watch?
> >
> >Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and
> >why give us
> >
> >any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or
> >the hour
> >
> >but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the
> >clock
> >
> >started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far
> >as the
> >
> >other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
>fufilled..
> >
> >ks
>
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[pennie hammons]

 -Caveat Lector-

KS, I have always believed the fig tree-Israel parable until recently. Now
I'm not so sure. Where in the Bible does God ever refer to Israel as a fig
tree? She is always the olive tree. It very well could be refering to
something else. It could be refering to the tree that Adam and Eve hid in
when they ate the fruit of knowledge. Who know? We've been taught what all
of the prophesies mean by men instead of letting the Holy Spirit interpret
them for us. Daniel's 70 weeks, a time, times and half a time. All of those
things are NOT solved by any means.


>From: KDS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:06:12 -0600
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch?
>Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why
>give us
>any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the
>hour
>but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the
>clock
>started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as
>the
>other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
>fufilled..
>ks
>
>Robert Tatman wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So
> > when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time
>when
> > you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you
>to
> > know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority.
>But
> > you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you
>will
> > be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends
>of
> > the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time
> > propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the
>Second
> > Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am
> > speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives
>which
> > imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the
>Truth.
> > Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite
> > enough of a challenge for any of us.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
> >
> > > -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses.
>MHO
> > >
> > > Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious
> > > pomposity!
> > >
> > > Om
> > > K
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > > >However,  there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the
>"last
> > > >days".  It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one
>who
> > > >would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the
>parable
> > > >of
> > > >the Fig Tree to the multitude.  
> >
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Re: [CTRL] OT Penalty for False Prophecy

[Eagle 1]

 -Caveat Lector-

I'd like to know the chapter and verse YOU or this Michael Hoffman got the
information from,  Lloyd...

The penalty for false prophecy is clearly laid out in the Bible.
My KJV Bible says:
"I will raise them up a Prophet [Jesus Christ]  from among their brethren,
like unto thee, [of the Hebrews], and will put my words in His mouth;  and
He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him.

And it shall come to pass,  that whosoever will not hearken unto my words
which He shall speak in my name,  I will require it of him.

But the prophet,  which shall presume to speak a word in my name,  which I
have not commanded him to speak,  or that shall speak in the name of other
gods, even THAT PROPHET SHALL DIE."
 ~ DEUTERONOMY 18:18-20

For a second witness against false witnesses...  which can be applied to
false prophets:

" If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that
which is wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall
stand before the Lord, being before the priests and the judges,  which shall
be in those days;  And the judges shall make dilligent inquisition: and
behold, if the witness be a false witness,  and has testified falsely
against his brother:  THEN shall ye do unto him as he had thought to have
done unto his brother;  so shalt thou put away the evil from among you.  And
those which remain shall hear and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more
any such evil among you.  And thine eye shall not pity;  but life shall go
for life,  eye for eye,  tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."
~ DEUTERONOMY 19:16-21

Death in this case of false prophecy and false witness,  is imminent...
Whether it is in the  here and now, a physical death,
or whether spiritually when one stands in front of the judgment.
Death is the penalty.

eagle 1


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Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: [CTRL] OT Penalty for False Prophecy


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> ..
>
> Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
> From: Independent History & Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: OT Penalty for False Prophecy
> Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 2:33 PM
>
> Old Testament Penalty for False Prophecy
>
> Gary North claims to be a Christian Reconstructionist who would like to
> revive relevant sections of Old Testament Biblical case law.
>
> One of these laws from the Old Testament pertains to the penalty for false
> prophecy. Since Dr. North (and Don McAlvany and others) is demonstrably a
> false prophet with regard to Y2K, can any Biblical scholar tell us what
the
> Old Testament penalty for false prophecy was?
>
> I believe I know what the penalty is, but I cannot at this time locate the
> chapter and verse, so I will await the literal citation.
>
> I am not advocating the application of this penalty to North (or anyone
> else). The appropriate penalty for him is to live with the wrecked lives
his
> panic, and hysteria over nothing, have induced, and to make restitution
and
> reparation.
>
> --Michael A. Hoffman II
> http://www.hoffman-info.com

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[pennie hammons]

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Shame on you, Robert! You told half of the truth there, but missed the signs
that Jesus gave with the explicit warning "When you see all of these things
occuring, lift up your head, for your redemption is at hand". We are
supposed to look, even if we aren't supposed to worry and fret over which
day it is going to be. Eagle quoted scripture to back up his statements and
you used scripture to back up your. Both quotes are the word of God, and you
shouldn't be telling Eagle he is wrongmaybe YOU misunderstood the Acts
quote. I see that quote as a clue to understanding Leviticus 23:22 and
23:43. God set those feast days by His own authority(I am the Lord your
God).


>From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:50:52 -0500
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So
>when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time when
>you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you to
>know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But
>you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will
>be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of
>the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time
>propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the
>Second
>Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am
>speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives which
>imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the
>Truth.
>Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite
>enough of a challenge for any of us.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO
> >
> > Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious
> > pomposity!
> >
> > Om
> > K
> >
> > In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > >However,  there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last
> > >days".  It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one
>who
> > >would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable
> > >of
> > >the Fig Tree to the multitude.  
>
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[Eagle 1]

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KDS,
"Thief in the night"  is a term latched on to by traditions of men,  though
the words are there,  it has been twisted by men and his doctrines.  It has
been taken out of it's perspective and replaced into another.  JESUS was no
thief...  and he will come as no thief,  per se.  He will unexpectedly come
to those who have believed a false doctrine such as rapture or
amilleniumism, etc.,  because those who believe those perversion of
doctrines will believe that the first one who comes claiming to be Jesus
Christ is the true messiah come to 'rapture' them away;  when he will
actually be the antichrist. The first taken out of the field is taken to
this camp...  Personally,  I don't care to be in that group.

Keeping watch..???.  We are to know the SPIRITUAL seasons,  which do not
coincide with the physical seasons.  Spiritually we are in late summer.
Harvest time.  "Pray that your flight be not in winter..."  You can find
that in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.  That simply means pray that you are not
"harvested" out of season by the antichrist's false religious message and
giving nurture to that belief (woe to those who give suck)... .  Humans can
know about the time that Christ will return,  but not exactly.  Signs,
wonders..  and times when certain things take place.  It's all there for
those who care to research it for themselves and quit listening to liars,
and that includes some of the biggest ones of all,  those who stand in the
pulpits around the world.  God would prefer it that you do your own research
anyway.  Your own personal investment in the research will prove it to you
...  because there will be no one between you and GOD on judgment day.  It's
just you and Him.  No preacher or church doctrine will save you at that
time.  How many times did Jesus say,  "It is written..." ???  He said it
many times,  because He expected us to learn it for ourselves,  rely upon
HIS WORD,  and quit depending upon others to tell us how it will and won't
be.

I am neither New Testament or Old Testament...  However, you can't have the
new without the old.  A testament is a will,  a decree of how things are and
will be done.  The New Testament did not do away with the old,  it simply
solidified the whole. You have to take both with a full understanding of it
all,  or you will literally miss the whole truth.  THAT is why there are so
many false doctrines out there...  because there are too many who refuse to
accept the new,  and many more who only accept the new withoug the old.  AND
then there are those who have to "SEE TO BELIEVE"...  must have physical
evidence for everything...  they are the lawyers,  the same ones CHRIST
called "liars", "vipers",  and "hypocrits".   Those who cannot understand
His speech.. John 8:44.

Signs and wonders are given on a daily basis about what time it is,
spiritually speaking.  If you want to drag physical phenomenon into the
issue,  you only need to look around you.  The world is in the shape it's
in,  because from the beginning,  it chose sin and disobedience rather than
truth and life.

eagle 1

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- Original Message -
From: "KDS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a
watch?
> Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why
give us
> any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or
the hour
> but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the
clock
> started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as
the
> other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
fufilled..
> ks
>
> Robert Tatman wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So
> > when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time
when
> > you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you
to
> > know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority.
But
> > you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you
will
> > be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends
of
> > the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time
> > propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the
Second
> > Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am
> > speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives
which
> > imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the
Truth.
> > Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite
> > enough of a challenge for any of us.

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[William Shannon]

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In a message dated 1/6/00 12:37:32 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< the nation of Israel was scattered all over the world. >>

Wait a minute here...the "nation of Isreal" was scattered???
Hmmm...actually the "nation of Israel" was created out of the thin air in
recent times...before that there was no nation of Israel...and the so-called
Israelites are really a diverse group of people...mostly from Europe and with
NO genetic connection to the "Jews" of the Bible...
Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[William Shannon]

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In a message dated 1/6/00 12:05:35 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< end time signs..and I do believe that the clock
 started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the
 other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
fufilled..
 ks >>

So should we stockpile water and ammo???
Will we need generators?
How,"ks" can we truly be prepared??? (If this isn't an invitation...what is??)
There's the softball...can ya' hit it outta' the park??? Betcha' can!

Bill.

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[CTRL] Trojan horse - trinoo, TFN, TFN2000, stacheldraht

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

" Note, though Solaris is the current focus of these attackers,
 they will soon turn to NT and Linux and other UNIX variants.
 Take this opportunity to close the holes there as well. "

" But don't delay long, the [detection] tool may have a short
 life span, as the attackers will begin to modify the trojan code
 to evade detection. "

~~
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:48:52 -0700 (MST)
From: The SANS Institute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SANS Flash Alert For Solaris


SANS Flash Alert for Solaris Users

Help, please - today  -- in the Hunt For Solaris Trojans

THE PROBLEM

Several of you have reported that your Sun computers have been
infected with Trojan horse software (trojans, for short) using such
tools as trinoo, TFN, TFN2000, or stacheldraht which is German
for barbed wire.

Here is what we know so far about these attacks from users and
experts around the world:

These trojans are controlled by master computers using various
communications channels. The infected machines are used as a
collective force (reports range upward from 230 acting together) to
attack other sites and close them down.  These attacks have
succeeded in flooding out both large and small sites.

The trojans are being installed continuously - with attackers
coming back time and again looking for new computers to
compromise. Several universities found them installed on multiple
computers. Attackers appear to have constructed relatively
complete maps of the computers at the sites they are attacking.

If your Solaris computers are infected and are used in attacks on
other organizations, you may face economic liability or be viewed
as a pariah to the community.


DETECTION

You and the community would greatly benefit if you could check
to see whether your computers are infected.  Two principal tools
are available for the test. One was developed by the National
Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC) and can be installed on
each host. The other is being developed by Dave Dittrich and Marcus
Ranum and can be run remotely to scan your systems.  There is no
charge for either of the tools.

Over the weekend the GIAC (Global Incident Analysis Center) at
www.sans.org/y2k.htm put out an early notice and several dozen
organizations tested the NIPC software and provided feedback that
helped make it work better. Yes, the NIPC software has uncovered
more infestations.

The NIPC software works well and should be run immediately.

As wonderful as the news is about the NIPC tool, to run it you
have to install it on every system you want to test.  A network
scanning tool is potentially more efficient since one tool can scan
an entire network.  Just make certain the network you scan is yours
and that you have permission!  One such tool is under
development, it was written by Dave Dittrich, and Marcus Ranum
has enhanced it. In other words: extraordinary people are working
together to create the tools needed to find these Trojans.

If you have a lot of experience with software that is still a bit
green, you could really make a contribution to the community by
running and testing the scanning program.

If you are less experienced you might want to delay a day or two.
But don't delay long, the tool may have a short life span, as the
attackers will begin to modify the trojan code to evade detection.

Where to find the software:

The host-based tool from NIPC may be found at:
http://www.fbi.gov/nipc/trinoo.htm

The scanning program from Dittrich/Ranum may be found (after 6
pm EST on January 4) at:
http://staff.washington.edu/dittrich/misc/sickenscan.tar

In addition, Dave Dittrich has written an extraordinary analysis of
the infestation that may be found at:
http://staff.washington.edu/dittrich/misc/stacheldraht.analysis

If you are a university or any other organization with users who
may not have tightly locked down their Solaris systems, please use
both.  If you are absolutely sure of your defenses, you might do
spot checks instead.

CONTAINMENT AND ERADICATION

If you find evidence of infestation, please make a good back-up
first to preserve evidence. Also if you search for the malicious
code on your system, you probably will not find it. The attackers
have been installing "root kits" to hide their work.

There are resources available to help if you have been attacked.
Please mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll connect you with the
best sources available at that time.


PREVENTION

The most common paths used to compromise systems to insert the
Trojans have been weaknesses in RPC (remote procedure call)
implementation.

The menacing character of this new threat may offer you an
opportunity to get support to patch the RPC holes and eliminate
other vulnerabilities.

Note, though Solaris is the current focus of these attackers, they
will soon turn to NT and Linux and other UNIX variants.  Take
this opportunity to close the holes there as well.  That's a great deal
cheaper and le

[CTRL] The century's greatest heroes..and its bloodiest villains

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To:   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000
 Subj: Article January 2, 2000


 The century's greatest heroes..and its bloodiest villains
 By Eric Margolis
 January 2, 2000

 PARIS -- One hundred years ago, most people earnestly believed the
 dawning 20th century would bring a golden age of technology-based
 prosperity, reason in human conduct, an end to war, and remarkable
 advancement of all mankind.

 Instead of a golden era of humanism, the 20th Century became the
 bloodiest era in the past 1,000 years.  To avoid repeating the
 crimes and horrors of the century just past, we must study -- and
 restudy -- its political heroes and villains.  The heroes may
 not return, but the villains and their malevolent thinking
 certainly will.  Study history, as Santayana warned, or relive it.

 HEROES

 + Konrad Adenauer -- Took over leadership of a ruined, defeated,
 disgraced Germany, in 1949, which was still under foreign
 occupation.  In fourteen years, the Adenauer government organized
 the rebuilding of Germany from rubble, its restoration to
 international respectability, and its re-emergence as a world
 power.  Dignified, stern and upright, Adenauer symbolized all that
 was good in the old Germany.

 + Winston Churchill -- A deeply flawed hero.  A great war leader,
 historian, and brilliant actor who brought out the pride and valor
 of Britons.  But Churchill, the century's most ardent imperialist
 and leader of Britain's war pro-war faction in two world wars, was
 so blinded by his hatred of Germany, that he ended up destroying
 the British Empire, and, with Roosevelt, handing half of Europe
 over to Stalin's tyranny.  Hitler, not Churchill, saved Britain in
 1940 by refusing to destroy the trapped British armies at Dunkerque
 and declining to invade prostrate England -- in vain hope of an
 Anglo-German alliance against the USSR.

 + Charles DeGaulle -- A majestic figure of profound dignity,
 foresight, moral energy, determination and style.  He almost
 single-handedly saved France from the ignominy of defeat by Germany
 in 1940, rekindling the pride, elan, and power of his great nation.
 DeGaulle was the only Allied leader who understood the Soviet
 threat.  After the war, his embrace of old foe Germany laid the
 foundation for united Europe.  In spite of the spiteful mockery of
 his Anglo-American allies, among the greatest of the great.

 + Deng Xioping -- Deng seized power in China after Mao's death in
 1976 and ended the dementia of the Cultural Revolution that killed
 2 million people and nearly destroyed China.  In 20 years, Great
 Reformer Deng transformed China from a vast, impoverished prison
 camp into a dynamic nation destined to become a world power.
 Deng deftly dismantled communism and Mao's totalitarian system,
 releasing the Chinese peoples' inherent energy and talent, and
 brought China into modern world.  Under Deng, the income of Chinese
 jumped tenfold.  Deng laid the foundation for a future more
 politically relaxed China that resembles modern Singapore.
 History will hold Deng a greater revolutionary than Mao Tse-tung.

 + Dwight Eisenhower -- The best president of the 20th Century and
 the finest American.  Eisenhower personified the admirable
 qualities of Americans: energy, simplicity, forthrightness,
 confidence, and decency.  Eisenhower's years as president marked
 the high point of good government and civic values -- before
 made-for-television politicians degraded and besmirched and
 cheapened the presidency.  I like Ike.

 + Mohandas Gandhi -- The greatest Indian of the millenium.
 A leader spiritual and temporal who combined moral saintliness with
 political cunning and inspiring leadership.  Gandhi's crusade for
 non-violence, human rights, religious tolerance and aiding the
 helpless were a beacon of light in the 20th Century's darkness --
 particularly since he did so on a vast subcontinent where none of
 these qualities were known.  Though the racist Churchill dismissed
 Gandhi as `a half-naked fakir,' the Indian sage will likely be
 regarded by future historians as the noblest and most important
 human being of the 20th Century- and, of course, the father of
 Indian independence.

 + Mikhail Gorbachev -- A tragic yet admirable figure who did not
 understand that communism was not an economic system, but one of
 mass control and intimidation.  Gorbachev's attempts to reform and
 modernize communism, and the even more important rejection of class
 struggle and international revolution by Foreign Minister Eduard
 Shevardnadze, destroyed the Evil Empire that was Soviet Union.
 Gorbachev's refusal to use tanks to crush nationalist uprising in
 the USSR and Eastern Europe, and his withdrawal of Soviet forces
 from Germany, saved the world from a war that could have easily
 gone nuclear.  Today, he is reviled by Russians.  History, however,
 will view him as man who was too decent and humane to perpetuate
 the Soviet Empire.

 

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[KDS]

 -Caveat Lector-

maybe so, but, knowledge has intensified in our times...not just technology
but also Bible knowledge..so, even though thru out history people thought they
were living in those times..the prophecies had not even come cloce to being
fufilled.the nation of Israel was scattered all over the world..and now
they are not..there are lots more signs, but I don't think you are truly
interested in this thread so ..
Om
ks

Kris Millegan wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> And ya know, one can find statements like these all through historic times.
>
> Arrogance.
>
> MHO
> Om
> K
>
> In a message dated 1/6/00 10:05:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch?
> >
> >Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and
> >why give us
> >
> >any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or
> >the hour
> >
> >but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the
> >clock
> >
> >started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far
> >as the
> >
> >other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
> fufilled..
> >
> >ks
>
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Re: [CTRL] WHY 2K? - Clinton's 3rd term

[Bill Kingsbury]

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At 03:30 PM 1-4-2000 -0600, Mack White wrote:
>The government didn't build those Y2K command posts for nothing.
>Something may yet happen, further down the line--something as bad,
>if not worse, than Y2K might have been.
>
>In less than 12 months, we will see the real turn-of-the-millennium.
>"Millennial madness" still has plenty of mileage left as a propaganda,
>or PsyOps, tool.  Terrorism, World War Three, or, at the very least,
>a revival of the Cold War are all possibilities.

 
 Inside Cover - Sunday August 29, 1999
 With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
 For the story behind the story...


 Bill Clinton's "Third Term"

 Sean David Morton is a futurologist.  He says he can predict the
 future.

 Morton, no doubt, has many friends in Hollywood that like such new
 age stuff.  A NewsMax reader sent us a copy of Morton's "The Delphi
 Associates Newsletter."  The following caught Inside Cover's eye:

 "I have now heard confirmation from three different sources who are
 very close to the Clintons that Bill has no intention of leaving
 the White House!  At first I thought it was just right-wing
 paranoia.  But a powerful woman friend of mine in entertainment
 (who must remain nameless!), who is a friend of Hillary's 'special
 friends,' was at the White House recently for a holiday.  She said
 that Clinton spoke openly about finding a way to circumvent the
 Congress and the Constitution and find a way to stay on for another
 term, or stay president indefinitely.  Incredulously, she asked how
 he was going to swing this feat of magic, and she said he got the
 most chilling, evil, demonic look in his eye that she had ever seen
 come from a human being, and he said, 'World War III.'"

 "This same story I heard from my lady friend, and another relation
 of the Clintons, was recently confirmed in an article by Ralph
 Forbes.  It seems Clinton has been running this scheme past a
 number of his inner circle, and is actively seeking ways to
 implement his goal."

 


 Does Clinton plan to stay?

 This is an excerpt from 'Cover Up: The Art and Science
 of Political Deception.' Reprinted with permission.

 By David M. Bresnahan
 Tuesday, February 02, 1999
 © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com


 It is vital that we remember that President Clinton is
 extremely predictable.  Those who know him best have
 told us to examine his past to determine his future.
 Clinton's past is frightening, because he served as
 Governor of Arkansas longer than the Arkansas
 Constitution allowed.  He did so through an amendment to
 the state constitution which enabled him to run for
 another term.

 Watch Clinton carefully.  Does he look like a president
 on his way to retirement?  He has been spending a
 significant amount of time building relationships with
 foreign powers, and much more foreign travel is planned.
 Is it possible that Clinton is planning to run for
 president again?  Is it possible he could have the U.S.
 Constitution changed in time to permit that?  The answer
 is an absolute yes to both questions, but even more
 unnerving is the fact that he has been reported to have
 more than one plan under way to keep him in office.

 There has been a secret committee meeting in the White
 House on a weekly or more frequent basis with the
 assignment to come up with a plan of action for when the
 U.S. economy collapses, according to a source who does
 not wish to be named but who is in a position to know.
 That committee is not functioning on a basis of if the
 economy will go belly up, but when.  They are not
 considering ways to stop that from happening, since they
 consider it to be inevitable.  Underlying all this is
 their plan to keep Clinton in office because of the
 economic emergency.

 The committee is considering all possibilities for
 keeping their buddy as president.  Re-election for a
 third term is considered a very real possibility.  They
 believe the states would ratify a change to the U.S.
 Constitution within one to two months and have a bill
 already drafted and ready for passage under the right
 circumstances.  They are so confident this could be done
 that they have a Republican and a Democrat who have each
 prepared a bill to accomplish the change.

 Another possibility would be to have the president
 himself declare a state of national emergency and enact
 the terms of previously instituted presidential
 executive orders and directives which would suspend the
 Constitution during the emergency.  Once enacted, even
 Congress could not stop such an act by the president.
 Congress has foolishly permitted presidents to abuse the
 powers of executive orders time and time again.
 Presidents have taken advantage of this and Clinton has
 granted himself more and more power through executive
 orders that have gone unchallenged by Congress.  In fact,
 as I have called various members of Congress about
 specific ex

[CTRL] Fwd: Dalai Lama's message for 2000

[William Shannon]

>From Sex to Superconsciousness - http://www.truthbeknown.com



>
> The Dalai Lama's New Year Message 2000
>
> Many people seem to be excited about the new
> millennium, but the new millennium in itself will be
> nothing special. As we enter into the new millennium
> things will be the same; there will be nothing
> unusual. However, if we really want the next
> millennium to be happier, more peaceful and more
> harmonious for humankind we will have to make the
> effort to make it so. This is in our hands, but
> especially in the hands of the younger generation.
> We
> have had many experiences during this century -
> constructive as well as extremely destructive ones.
>
> We must learn from these experiences. We need to
> approach the next millennium more holistically, with
> more openness and farsightedness. If we are going to
> make the right kind of efforts to make the future of
> the world better, I believe the following matters
> are
> of great importance:
>
> 1. While engaging in material progress and taking
> care
> of physical well-being we need to pay equal
> attention
> to developing peace of mind and thus taking care of
> the internal aspect of our being.
>
> 2. Along with education, which generally deals only
> with academic accomplishments, we need to develop
> more
> altruism and a sense of caring and responsibility
> for
> others in the minds of the younger generation
> studying
> in various educational institutions. This can be
> done
> without necessarily involving religion. One could
> therefore call this 'secular ethics', as it in fact
> consists of basic human qualities such as kindness,
> compassion, sincerity and honesty.
>
> 3. This past century in some ways has been a century
> of war and bloodshed. It has seen a year by year
> increase in defense spending by most countries in
> the
> world. If we are to change this trend we must
> seriously consider the concept of non-violence,
> which
> is a physical expression of compassion. In order to
> make non-violence a reality we must first work on
> internal disarmament and then proceed to work on
> external disarmament. By internal disarmament I mean
> ridding ourselves of all the negative emotions that
> result in violence. External disarmament will also
> have to be done gradually, step by step. We must
> first
> work on the total abolishment of nuclear weapons and
> gradually work up to total demilitarisation
> throughout
> the world. In the process of doing this we also need
> to work towards stopping the arms trade, which is
> still very widely practiced because it is so
> lucrative. When we do all these things, we can then
> hope to see in the next millennium a year by year
> decrease in the military expenditure of the various
> nations and a gradual working towards
> demilitarisation.  Human problems will, of course,
> always remain, but the way to resolve them should be
> through dialogue and discussion. The next century
> should be a century of dialogue and discussion
> rather
> than one of war and bloodshed.
>
> 4. We need to address the issue of the gap between
> the
> rich and the poor, both globally and nationally.
> This
> inequality, with some sections of the human
> community
> having abundance and others on the same planet going
> hungry or even dying of starvation, is not only
> morally wrong, but practically also a source of
> problems. Equally important is the issue of freedom.
> As long as there is no freedom in many parts of the
> world there can be no real peace and in a sense no
> real freedom for the rest of the world.
>
> 5. For the sake of our future generations, we need
> to
> take care of our earth and of our environment.
> Environmental damage is often gradual and not easily
> apparent and by the time we become aware of it, it
> is
> generally too late. Since most of the major rivers
> flowing into many parts of south-east Asia originate
> from the Tibetan plateau, it will not be out of
> place
> to mention here the crucial importance of taking
> care
> of the environment in that area.
>
> 6. Lastly, one of the greatest challenges today is
> the
> population explosion. Unless we are able to tackle
> this issue effectively we will be confronted with
> the
> problem of the natural resources being inadequate
> for
> all the human beings on this earth.  We need to
> seriously look into these matters that concern us
> all
> if we are to look forward to the future with some
> hope.
>
>
> January 1, 2000
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

And ya know, one can find statements like these all through historic times.

Arrogance.

MHO
Om
K

In a message dated 1/6/00 10:05:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch?
>
>Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and
>why give us
>
>any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or
>the hour
>
>but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the
>clock
>
>started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far
>as the
>
>other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
fufilled..
>
>ks

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 000106a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE THE ENTIRE BULLETIN WHEN YOU REPLY; CUT/PASTE, EH?
* No influenza epidemics were promulgated to produce this bulletin. Cough.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ The Crude Thesaurus: http://khopesh.iwarp.com/crude.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Designing babies: The future of genetics. (BBC) The power to change the
  shape and destiny of the human species - to design babies to order - will
  be within the grasp of genetic scientists in just a couple of decades.
  Cloning babies is strictly banned in the UK -- but watch what happens:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_59/590919.stm

: Have you ordered/designed/cloned any babies lately? Was your order satis-
factory? Did you have fries with that order? Would you rather order babies
from public/private labs, magicians, aliens, robots, me? Who are the most
satisfactory baby designers/cloners/producers? Do you have a longterm lease?

# Playing With Nature In a High-Tech Future: genetic manipulation today.
  http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-01/06/002l-010600-idx.html
# Centers To Breed Mice With Human-Like Gene Variants That Modify Their
  Responses To Environmental Factors And The Repair Of Damaged DNA - see
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/01/000105044046.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Just Passing Through. After sixteen years of sky watching in Ontario, my
  arrival here on the west coast in 1970 suddenly opened up a new field of
  aerial activity, namely meteors, fireballs, bolides. I know this to be
  true, because the planetarium always said so. http://caus.org/pn010600.htm

: Do UFOs follow you around? Do you pay attention to them? Do they pay any
attention to you? Do you feel ignored, slighted, if they don't respond? Why?

# Golden Dish-Type Craft with a Dome on the Top http://caus.org/mu010600.htm
# Canadian Crop Circle Summary Report 1999 http://www.caus.org/ccr010500.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Satellites To Stop Speeding Cars. Drivers may be automatically stopped
  from speeding by an electronic device to be fitted to all cars within 10
  years. The Deputy Prime Minister will be told that extensive trials have
  been such a success that a phased introduction of speed restricters would
  also dramatically reduce road congestion and cut pollution. You will go
  how we want you to go: http://www.sightings.com/politics6/speeding.htm

: Should govt control your transportation options? Is your automobile an
autonomous republic? Will the sats be controlled by humans, aliens, me?

@ All sorts of neat stuff at Remote Sensing 
  including a large image manipulation tool and a tool called geotrans for
  doing coordinate translation between datums. Downloads are available here:
  http://www.remotesensing.org/download/  And don't forget to map everything
  out at: http://www.memepool.com/Subject/Cartography/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# SHUTTLE MAY BE LAUNCHED TO REPAIR FALTERING SPACE STATION. NASA wonks are
  close to giving final approval to launch an added space shuttle mission in
  March to perform critical repairs & maintenance to the fledging Interna-
  tional Space Station & keep it safely in orbit until a permanent crew
  arrives - perhaps as late as next fall. The first Russian component of the
  space station, the Zarya space "tugboat," has been in orbit since November
  1998. http://cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/01/05/space.station.01/index.html

: Would you rather build/repair/hijack a space station? Have you hijacked a
space station lately? Is it easy? Did your alien masters help/hinder/laugh?

# Where's My Orgasmatron? Man did not conquer space because it's too boring.
  Yawn: http://www.montrealgazette.com/editorial/pages/000103/3380238.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ "Q & A on mind control": http://www.factnet.org/rancho2.htm#one
@ MindControl: How to watch for mc groups on the web and other places:
  http://members.aol.com/smartnews/page/Sample-Issue-30.htm
@ Persuasion and Brainwashing Techniques Being Used on the Public Today:
  http://www.magnet.ch/serendipity/sutphen/brainwsh.html
@ "Propaganda Techniques," (pictures may be triggering)
  http://carmen.artsci.washington.edu/propaganda/contents.htm

: Are you mind-controlled, or are you a controller? If you think you're a
controller, how do you know for sure? Maybe you're mind-controlled too, eh?

# Secret Mind Manipulations Of 'Pokemon' Exposed! Are hidden messages in the
  soundtrack for the Pokemon TV show teaching violent behavior to children?
  Analysis shows clearly audible references to guns and dysfunction in the
  speech of the show's characters. Are these messages appropriate for a
  young viewing audience? What values are being taught through children's
  television programming? htt

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[Eagle 1]

 -Caveat Lector-

LOL ...
As a matter of fact,  ROTFL,  Kris.

Yes,  historical facts will bear witness to Israel's becoming a nation in
1948...
And it is directly related to the Parable of the Fig Tree.

No, Kris,  I'm not special.  However,  I've learned that you sure think you
are.
So who is the pompous one?  For the record,  "Pride"  is what brought
Lucifer down.
Of course,  I remember... you don't believe in the devil,
so I'm sure you don't associate yourself with anything called 'antichrist'.
No racial excuses, here.  Just the unadulterated truth...   unlike
CONSPIRACY THEORY
that involves a lot of speculation, lies and forgeries,  with a smatter of
truth here and there
to make it look good and believable.

But there you go,  just like a scoffer;  just like some of the others,
stereotyping.
I've told you before,  I belong to no religious organization. I support no
religious affiliation.
There is no category. Yet you have judged me for what I believe. There is a
time you
will answer for your judgments.  Believe it now...  or believe it when it
happens.  Either way,
I won't be around when it happens.

Regardless,  I'm learning a lot from you. Thanks for the education.  :)

eagle 1

- Original Message -
From: "Kris Millegan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO
>
> Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious
> pomposity!
>
> Om
> K

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[CTRL] [1b] Before The Trumpet

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Before The Trumpet
Geoffrey C. Ward©1985
Harper & Row
ISBN 0-06-015451-9
390pps -- First Edition -
---[1b]--
In the late summer of 1857, Algonac was nearly destroyed by an intrusion from
the outside world which even Warren Delano could not keep out. Panic hit Wall
Street, sparked by the abrupt failure of the giant Ohio Life Insurance and
Trust Company, but further fueled by the legacy of years of wild
over-speculation in railroads and real estate. Market prices were halved
overnight; specie payment was suspended for a time; thousands of businesses
closed over the next three years; hundreds of thousands of men were thrown
out of work.

One by one, Warren Delano's investments soured. Unlike James Roosevelt, who
would ride out a similar crash sixteen years later, he had spread his fortune
far too thin. For two anxious, sobering years he slid steadily toward
financial ruin. He cut back spending, sold off his town house on Colonnade
Row, even tried to sell Algonac but could find no one able to meet his price.
All of this was kept in the privacy of the Delano bedroom or discussed with
relations in the parlor after Sara and the other children were safely in bed.
They knew only that their parents sometimes seemed tense.

In January 1860, Warren Delano was fifty and faced with bankruptcy after
thirty years in business. He resolved at last to return to China, to Hong
Kong this time, and re-enter the trade which had made him so rich so fast
when he was young—tea and opium.[7]

Warren's sudden decision appalled Ned, who would have to fend for himself
while Warren was away. "It seems the height of folly," he wrote to his
brother John, "to abandon so much that is beautiful and attractive for the
monotonous life on the 'ocean wave' to be followed by an enervating existence
on a barren island on the coast of China—and that, too, under British rule!"

It must have deeply troubled Catherine, too, now pregnant for the ninth time.
Somehow she who had always deferred to her husband would have to run Algonac
without him. She would manage. When there was no man upon whom to lean she
always found within herself the will to go on. Years later one of her sons
would write that her example had taught him that "firmness of character is
often disguised by gentleness, yielding upon [nonessentials] and only
asserting itself when conditions demand a firm attitude."

Sara would learn that lesson as well. So, eventually, would her son, Franklin.

For her, however, then just five, her father's sudden departure was
terrifying and inexplicable. Without warning, the center of her family's
life, the big capable man whose love and attention mattered most to her, had
simply vanished.

All she could know was that he had gone to a place unimaginably far away, and
that no one could tell her when he would come back. For the rest of her long
life she would suffer from an exaggerated fear of being apart from those she
loved.

The family was separated for three years. Her mother did her best to keep the
children cheerful. Uncle Ned and Aunt Sarah and Cousin Nannie all helped. But
Catherine must often have been distracted by her loneliness (however
skillfully disguised), by the noisy demands of little Philippe, and by those
of the still-newer baby, Catherine or "Cassie," born that first spring.

School occupied some of Sara's time. She was now old enough to join the older
children in the made-over breakfast room where Cousin Nannie taught them
their lessons while they sat on straight-backed chairs to improve their
posture. So did dancing lessons at a nearby estate. And when the Civil War
began she joined the women of the house in sewing clothes for the soldiers at
the front, and was very proud when she sent off her first muslin shirt with
its sewn-in label,

"This shirt was made by a seven-year-old girl."

But Sara grew solemn nonetheless, introspective, quiet. She was not to worry
others. But there was at least one vivid clue to how she felt. When her
father's letters arrived from China and after her mother had read them aloud
to the family, Sara carefully soaked off the stamps and saved them. Each one
offered fragile, brightly colored proof that he still existed somewhere, that
he still cared.

When she was an elderly woman, Sara Delano Roosevelt spent much of her time
at Springwood sitting in a tiny densely furnished room just off the big
entrance hall. She called it her "snuggery," and from it, surrounded by
numberless mementos of her crowded life, she could keep an eye on everyone
who came and went from her house. Always near at hand was a small oval
tintype of her father, made not long before he returned to China. In it
Warren and five-year-old Sara are sitting on his lap. Sara's head rests on
her father's shoulder; his long arm and big hand hold her close.

"There was no one like my father," Sara told a friend when she was in her
late seventies. Neither her husband nor her son ever quite measured up to her
memory

[CTRL] [1a] Before The Trumpet

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Before The Trumpet
Geoffrey C. Ward©1985
Harper & Row
ISBN 0-06-015451-9
390pps -- First Edition -
---[1a]--
--In 1879, thirty-three years after he left Canton, when both he and Robert
Bennet Forbes were old and important men with fortunes hoarded from a dozen
other industries, Forbes wrote his old partner asking him to write down all
that he remembered of his early years in China. Forbes was requesting each of
the old Russell partners to do the same—some 100 men in all—and hoped to
compile a detailed and anecdotal history from their collective reminiscences.
Warren responded with a brief and colorless outline of his Canton career
without mentioning his part in the drug traffic. Other former partners were
still less cooperative. One worried that any account based on the fading
memories of old men would exaggerate the parts played by some partners and
ignore those of others. Several old Russell men wanted no part of any
history. Such a book would be "Intrusive," one wrote.

Even Robert Forbes began to have second thoughts. "The only thing I fear," he
told Warren, "is that in giving a sketch of the causes and effects of the
opium traffic and our imprisonment I may say too much."

Forbes's projected history of Russell and Company was never published.[4]--

--Dora had to wait to marry until Will Forbes had earned his $100,000
competence as a Russell partner. Annie, too, fell in love with a Russell man,
a heavyset earnest young clerk named Frederick Hitch. He came from a fine
family but had entered the firm with no funds of his own. Warren insisted
that there be no wedding until Hitch, too, had become a wealthy man. Fred and
Annie may have discussed marriage as early as 1865, when she was only
sixteen. If so, she loyally waited for him for nine years; they were not
permitted to marry until the autumn of 1877--

CHAPTER 2
ALGONAC

Once during her son's presidency, Sara Delano Roosevelt was asked why the
Oyster Bay Roosevelts had grown so antagonistic toward the Hyde Park branch
of the family. "I can't imagine," she said, "unless it's because we're
better-looking than they are."

Certainly Sara Delano was better-looking than almost anyone. A photograph of
her, made about the time Mr. James first saw her, shows why he was
transfixed. She was one of four daughters of Warren Delano II of Newburgh who
were known to New York society as "the beautiful Delano sisters," and she is
sometimes said to have resembled the ideal American beauty made popular a
decade later by the artist Charles Dana Gibson. There is a superficial
resemblance. She was tall and had the Gibson girl's long graceful neck, her
large eyes and upswept hair, her fine regular features of the kind inevitably
called "chiseled."

But she was not a girl in 1880. She was twenty-six, half Mr. James's age, and
precisely Rosy's, but past the age when most women of her class married. Her
chin was square and stubborn, and there was already something regal,
reserved—substantive—about her.

She retained those qualities all her life. Even at eighty-six, in a newsreel
made in Paris where she had gone to visit her sister Dora in the early spring
of 1940, she has an extraordinary impact. Surrounded by photographers and by
reporters shouting questions in two languages, she is unruffled, removed, yet
somehow in charge. She stands straight, gazes directly into the camera, and
answers the questions she wishes to answer slowly, with care, in a mellow,
beautifully modulated voice. Her French is flawless; her accent when speaking
English almost British in its crisp precision.

What are her impressions of France on this visit?

"Pour moi, c'est toujours la belle France, sympathique et loyale.

Does she think France will be invaded?

She doesn't know, of course, but if so, the French army-which she has seen
parading—"is ready for anything. "

Will FDR run again for the White House?

"I have never even heard him speak of a third term. He always considers the
pleasure of returning to his home at Hyde Park."

What she says is banal. The way she says it-the fact that she has said
it-makes it important.

She herself first experienced the pleasures of Hyde Park just a few weeks
after she met Mr. James. She may have been invited to visit that very first
evening, at Mittie Roosevelt's table. Mr. James knew her father fairly well;
they had been allies on the board of Consolidated Coal. And he was at least
slightly acquainted with her mother, Catherine Lyman Delano.

Now he wrote to Mrs. Delano directly, asking whether "Miss Sallie" might be
allowed to visit Springwood with some friends in early May.

Mrs. Delano granted permission, and on April 7, Sara Delano came to Hyde Park
for the first time, accompanied by a full complement of escorts: Bamie and
Corinne Roosevelt, and their mother. They stayed a week, taking long carriage
rides on the Albany Road beneath the branches of the big old trees that then
formed an unbroken leafy vault that ran for miles.

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[KDS]

 -Caveat Lector-

If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch?
Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us
any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour
but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock
started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the
other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled..
ks

Robert Tatman wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So
> when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time when
> you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you to
> know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But
> you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will
> be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of
> the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time
> propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the Second
> Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am
> speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives which
> imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the Truth.
> Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite
> enough of a challenge for any of us.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO
> >
> > Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious
> > pomposity!
> >
> > Om
> > K
> >
> > In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > >However,  there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last
> > >days".  It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who
> > >would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable
> > >of
> > >the Fig Tree to the multitude.  
>
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[Robert Tatman]

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Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So
when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time when
you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you to
know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But
you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will
be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of
the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time
propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the Second
Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am
speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives which
imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the Truth.
Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite
enough of a challenge for any of us.

- Original Message -
From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO
>
> Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious
> pomposity!
>
> Om
> K
>
> In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >However,  there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last
> >days".  It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who
> >would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable
> >of
> >the Fig Tree to the multitude.  

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[CTRL] Fw: Gen. Myers Special Briefing on Current Activities of the U.S. Space Command [2/2]

[Robert Tatman]

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> http://www.defenselink.mil/news/#BRIEFINGS
> 
> Virtual tour of the Pentagon
>  http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pentagon/
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[CTRL] Fw: Gen. Myers Special Briefing on Current Activities of the U.S. Space Command [1/2]

[Robert Tatman]

 -Caveat Lector-

Shades of William Gibson's *Neuromancer*...

> Q:  ...could you amplify the computer network attack mission?
What will it look like to the American public?  There's a war and you folks
out at Space Command are the ones doing the keystrokes that take down an
adversary's power system?
...
> General Myers:  ...there are several examples of things that you
might want to do, but it gets into the ability of denying, disrupting,
degrading systems.  It could be in the area of air defense, for instance.
If you can degrade an air defense network of an adversary through
manipulating ones and zeros, that might be a very elegant way to do it as
opposed to dropping 2,000-pound bombs on radars, for instance.  So that's --
you know, the whole idea would be that we can do this, as you mentioned
before, perhaps with keystrokes, preventing casualties on our side and
collateral damage on the adversary's side.
> So, you know, it has -- it's an elegant solution in some cases,
and as I said, there are going to be some policy and legal ramifications of
all this that we have yet to work through, for the most part, and that's
going to be one of our --
> Q:  One more.
> Is it simply a matter of appropriating the tools now in use by
hackers against DOD systems?  Or is it something --
> General Myers:  No, it's more sophisticated than that.  And when I
said the first part will be focusing what capability we have today; it will
also be developing new capabilities, as things change.
> So we see that as one of our major responsibilities at the unified
command level, at the U.S. Space Command level, is trying to articulate that
requirement for the other war-fighting commanders, like we do today for
space systems, and then -- and having the services actually execute the
budget that would bring those tools on board. ...

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> = N  E  W  S  B  R  I  E  F  I  N  G
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> = OFFICE OF THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
> = (PUBLIC AFFAIRS)
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> 
>
>
> DoD News Briefing
> Richard Myers, General, USAF, Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Space Command
> Wednesday, January 05, 2000 - 10:45 a.m. EST
> Special Briefing re: Current Activities of the U.S. Space Command
> Also present: Kenneth H. Bacon, ASD PA
> Mr. Bacon:  Our briefer today is General Richard Myers, who is the
commander-in-chief of our Space Command in Colorado.  He is a command pilot
with more than 4,000 hours in the cockpit.  I don't think he's ever flown in
space, but he spends a lot of time thinking about space --
> General Myers:  But he's willing to fly in space --
> Mr. Bacon:  He's willing to fly in space.
> General Myers:  Nobody's offered me the opportunity.
> Mr. Bacon:  Well, maybe we'll get you to go up with John Glenn
some time.  At any rate, I'll turn you over to General Myers.
> General Myers:  Well, good morning, everybody, and it's -- thank
you for the opportunity, and Happy New Year.  Before we start, I'd like to
just make a couple of comments and outline where we've been in space and
where we think we're heading, at least in a brief format here.
> Truly, space is becoming very important to our military, a center
of gravity, if you will, a very important aspect of how we conduct our
operations.  It's also an economic center of gravity for this country and I
would say most people probably don't realize how important space is to their
daily lives.  It is definitely, to use a phrase, a growth industry, and I
think we're just beginning to tap its potential.
> I would point to Kosovo operations as a place where space was very
important in enabling our ability to conduct our response there. It set a
new benchmark.  You know, since Desert Storm we've been working very hard to
bring space capabilities to the war fighter at the operational and tactical
level, and I think in Kosovo we finally got there, even though that was
limited in scope, to some degree.  But we provided, I think, unprecedented
support to our forces there.
> It was truly a space-enabled war.  You think about the global
positioning system and the precision-guided munitions that were GPS-aided,
enabling us to do things we have not been able to do before, and that is not
just use precision-guided munitions, but use them -- that could go through
the weather, and as Admiral Ellis said, after the conflict, that it's not
good enough just to have precision-guided munitions.  You have to have
munitions that can go through the weather, because the weather was such a
factor over there.
> For the first time in combat, we pushed what I would call
real-time information to the cockpit.  We put some st

[CTRL] French Connections - Algerian Terrorists - Tizegha; Ressam; Ghani; Kamel"

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:alt.conspiracy
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Barry [Chamish] -  Unanswered questions is why Algerian terrorists are
targetting the US and are they linked to Osama bin Laden. In the past
they have targeted France (from comments by Philip Wilcox on CSPAN2;
Wednesday evening; Jan. 5, 2000 and (1)) and the other unanswered
question involves the employment by the Mob of global terrorist networks
such as Osama bin Laden's "Al Qaeda" (from comments by Philip Wilcox on
CSPAN2; Wednesday evening; Jan. 5, 2000 and my own surmise as to a
secret agenda item of secret groups such as the CFR; Bilderberg) -
Philip

(1) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2106/us/border_arrests_3.html">http:
//dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2106/us/border_arrests_3.html

"Thursday January 6 3:14 AM ET
Algerian Held on Immigration Charges

SEATTLE (AP) - An Algerian accused of illegally entering the United
States remains jailed without bond as investigators look into whether
there is a widespread plot to smuggle explosives into the country.

Abdel Hakim Tizegha, 29, was to appear before a federal magistrate on
Wednesday, but his attorney did not challenge a government motion to
detain him.

Tizegha is charged with illegally entering the country and eluding
federal officers at the Canadian border. He was arrested Dec. 24 in
Bellevue, a suburb east of Seattle, after allegedly crossing the border
at Blaine, about 100 miles north of here.

No link has been made in court between Tizegha and Ahmed Ressam, who has
pleaded innocent to federal charges accusing him of having bomb-making
materials in his rental car as he entered the country on Dec. 14.

But newspaper reports have said that Tizegha is linked to Ressam and
that Tizegha and another man investigated in the case, Abdel Ghani, are
longtime friends. Ghani is charged with helping Ressam.

A fourth man, Abdel Majid Dahoumane, is believed to have stayed with
Ressam at a motel in British Columbia. Warrants have been issued for his
arrest.

According to former CIA counterterrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro, all
four are part of aterrorist splinter group in Algeria that is supported
by Osama bin Laden, the Saudi exile believed to have masterminded last
year's attack on two U.S. embassies in Africa.

Cannistraro, citing French counterterrorism officials, said Wednesday
the men belong to a faction that broke with the Armed Islamic Group in
Algeria, known by its French acronym GIA, over its practice of targeting
fellow Muslims.

French investigators have said Ressam has links to Fateh Kamel, who has
been jailed in Paris since April and is suspected of being the leader of
an Islamic militant group. Cannistraro said Kamel is the leader of the
GIA splinter group."


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[CTRL] JFK Jr., Monica Lewinsky, and Columbus

[Kris Millegan]

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[CTRL] CIA's China Ops & Open Sources"

[Kris Millegan]

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 CIA's Use of Open Sources

   A respondent to "China Teaches Us" called my attention to the
below document from FAS's web page. But mandating (some) use of open
sources is not the same as using them.

   My experience and research shows the CIA shuns most all open
sources as the Agency prefers to shape its intelligence collection
and production to support its policies.

   A recent case is Professor Fuller, a CIA consultant who did not
come up with the desired policy-related conclusions:  CIA pushed the
University of Hawaii to dump the head of an unclassified CIA-funded
study that found scant chance of a quick ethnic breakup in China.
The University bowed to CIA pressure to replace the professor,
Gary Fuller, after CIA disagreed with his assessment. The University
restored him to his job after Fuller, a veteran CIA consultant,
threatened to sue. Washington Times 11/18/98 A6.

   Professor Fuller, a former contractor for CIA, filed a lawsuit
alleging CIA tarnished his reputation, and terminated his contract
after more than a decade of loyal service, and politicized its
intelligence. From 1996 to 1998, Fuller served as the team leader
coordinating the work of eleven academics on a CIA unclassified
project assessing ethnic fracture zones in Asia. CIA wanted
specialists to predict which Asian regions were likely to erupt
in violence and, in particular, whether China would fractionalize
like the former USSR. Source: Intelligence - a computerized
intelligence newsletter published in France 12/13/99.
(RMC Comment: A study predicting an eruption of ethnic
violence in [Western] China would help justify the CIA
sponsoring a paramilitary operation there.)

Ralph McGehee
http://come.to/CIABASE">http://come.to/CIABASE

  

  Director of Central Intelligence Directive 2/12

   COMMUNITY OPEN SOURCE PROGRAM

  (Effective 1 March 1994)

Pursuant to the National Security Act of 1947, as amended, and Executive
Order 12333, policies and procedures are hereby established for the
management of the Intelligence Community Open Source Program. [Footnote]

1. Purpose

The Intelligence Community recognizes that more effective use of open
sources in a variety of intelligence applications will lead to improved
products and services for Intelligence Community consumers. To manage the
use of open source information by the Intelligence Community, this
directive establishes the Community Open Source Program and a Community
Open Source Program Office (COSPO) within the Central Intelligence Agency
to develop, coordinate, and oversee implementation of the Community Open
Source Program. The Director of COSPO will be appointed by the Director of
Central Intelligence, will be his Principal for all open source matters,
and will serve as the Open Source Program Manager. This directive also
establishes a Community Open Source Steering Committee comprised of senior
managers appointed by the Director of Central Intelligence.

2. Definition

Open source information for purposes of this directive is publicly
available information (i.e., any member of the public could lawfully obtain
the information by request or observation), as well as other unclassified
information that has limited public distribution or access. Open source
information also includes any information that may be used in an
unclassified context without compromising national security or intelligence
sources and methods. If the information is not publicly available, certain
legal requirements relating to collection, retention, and dissemination may
apply.

3. Objectives

The COSPO is responsible for the definition and defense of the Open Source
Program in the planning cycle, and for providing guidance and oversight to
the program in the execution cycle. The Office, with Community departmental
open source program managers, develops an optimum allocation of resources
across the Community in the execution year, subject to ratification by the
Open Source Steering Committee. Changes in the scope and resources of the
Open Source Program must be agreed to by the Steering Committee. Through
this collaborative process, the objectives of the COSPO are to:

a. Oversee a process for coordinating responsive actions to satisfy user
ne

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[Kris Millegan]

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BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO

Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious
pomposity!

Om
K

In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>However,  there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last
>days".  It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who
>would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable
>of
>the Fig Tree to the multitude.  If one does not understand the parable
>of
>the Fig Tree,  little else of the Bible will ever make sense.  It has to
>do
>with the last generation that would be established when Israel symbollically
>planted, as well as demographically planted, the good and the bad fig trees
>in Jerusalem;  which they have done,  making claim to Israel's announcement
>that she is a bonafide nation on May 15th, 1948.  The good fig tree
>represents those who are pure in their lineage,  truly 'Jews' (Hebrews)
>and
>the bad fig tree representing those who are tainted in their lineage,
>and
>'who call themselves 'Jews',  but are not,  but are of the synagogue of
>Satan..."  (Revelation 2:9; 3:9)   The Bible declares that a "generation"
>can be 40 years, 50 years, 72 years, 80 years, or 120 years.  So to say
>that
>Biblical promises are not kept,  or that they were only given to Jesus'
>disciples is ludicrous.   Jesus did in fact speak to the "last generation".
>Whether you want to believe it or not,  makes me no mind...  but for the
>record,  you are living in that last generation;  the generation that has
>seen Israel become a nation.
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[CTRL] The Gold Market and Precious Metals Commentary

[Kris Millegan]

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Kris:


The following may be of interest to you.  I think a big story lurks here.


Regards


x


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"The Gold Market and Precious Metals Commentary"

 Q. Little Bear is in the 'doghouse'. Which table do you think he'd be under

?

A. Gold, of course. But he is hopeful.




January 5, 2000 - Spot Gold $280.75 down $1.60 - Spot silver $5.18 down 16

cents


Technicals


They are meaningless. Here is what the MORNING METAL MONITOR had to say

yesterday morning about the gold market:


"The talk is of long liquidation by disappointed Y2K "sky-is-falling" longs.

We don't buy that explanation. We expect to hear increased talk in the US

related to the persistent ability of gold to plunge as soon as the U.S. bond

market acts like it is sniffing out inflation. We are not using the word

manipulation.but.others will..and we will NOT argue.


That's us, folks, and it's nice to see that the "M" word is catching on in

gold circles all over the world.


Even the beloved Richard Russell of Dow Theory fame is into the act a bit

(Jan 4 comment): "Gold acts like Deflation is in the wind. Investors are

worried about Inflation, but gold sure isn't."


Richard, we know some of your subscribers have told you the gold market is

manipulated, but you prefer to say that the market is always right and that

the price tells the real story. Perhaps it might be a good idea for you to

give the MMM people a jingle and ask them what is going on here.


The Comex Commitment of Traders Report showed that the specs were net short

29,000 gold contracts versus 20,550 contracts two weeks earlier. In other

words, the specs were getting shorter going into Y2K, so all the mainstream

pabulum about gold going down due to disappointed specs is silly.


What happened was that Goldman Sachs sat all over the market Friday and,

while the U.S gold market was closed Monday, U.S selling showed up in

Australia and Asia the night before. We have seen the same sort of raid at

other times from the same crowd. That was followed by Japanese intervention

on the strong yen and the President reappointing Alan Greenspan. All one big

coincidence.


Throw silver into the same manipulation boat. The reason given for today's

silver sinking was news of Chinese exports that will now hit the market.

Problem with explanation is that this Reuters quote -"The central bank,

while retaining control, will encourage silver companies to export and may

also sell from state reserves in a "planned way," official media reported" -

was released Thursday, December 30, 1999 and the silver market moved higher.


Fundamentals


In the short run, they do not mean much either. In the intermediate term,

they will bury the shorts as the monthly supply/demand deficit of 150 tonnes

per and the staggering 10,000 gold loan number is a nightmare for the

entrenched bears. Frank Veneroso told me today that he expects the monthly

deficit to rise to 200 tonnes per month by the end of the year if the price

of gold were to stay at these levels.


Speaking of Frank Veneroso, here are some snippets from his most recent gold

commentary:


"We now understand that most market participants believe there is such a

large undisclosed seller. Because of the September 24th Washington Agreement

by the European central banks, they argue that the European central banks

are not the principal parties involved. Therefore, it must be the Fed. A

year ago such claims were made only by a fringe group; apparently this view

is now widely held


"Actually, that there is a large undisclosed official seller of gold other

than the European central banks does not necessarily imply the Federal

Reserve or US Treasury is the seller. There are large holdings in Saudi

Arabia, Taiwan, the Vatican, etc, which could be under sustained

liquidation. However, though we would prefer not to we can no longer avoid

bringing up the possibility of clandestine Fed or Treasury management of the

gold price.


"To make Fed manipulation of the gold market likely, there must be a motive.

Manipulating the gold price cannot be an end in itself. It must be part of a

greater master plan; it must be a sideshow to a greater game."


The real precious metals story of the day was this Kitco post. Many of you

sent it to me and for good reason. It is a blockbuster. I'll let you read it

and then make some comments. It is chilling to think about what GoldBird1

has to say after reading Frank's general comment:


Date: Wed Jan 05 2000 04:24

GoldBird1 ( Armstrong-Republic-manipulations ) ID#396247:

Copyright © 1999 GoldBird1/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved


"Whilst I have read a lot on this site about Armstrong and his supposed

short gold position, etc., etc., etc., I just thought everyone should know

that it is all BS. I have worked inside Republic Bank and quite frankly the

whole thing stinks of a major set up intended to frame Armstrong big time.

Armstrong was righ

[CTRL] OT Penalty for False Prophecy

[lloyd]

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Subject: OT Penalty for False Prophecy
Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 2:33 PM

Old Testament Penalty for False Prophecy

Gary North claims to be a Christian Reconstructionist who would like to
revive relevant sections of Old Testament Biblical case law.

One of these laws from the Old Testament pertains to the penalty for false
prophecy. Since Dr. North (and Don McAlvany and others) is demonstrably a
false prophet with regard to Y2K, can any Biblical scholar tell us what the
Old Testament penalty for false prophecy was?

I believe I know what the penalty is, but I cannot at this time locate the
chapter and verse, so I will await the literal citation.

I am not advocating the application of this penalty to North (or anyone
else). The appropriate penalty for him is to live with the wrecked lives his
panic, and hysteria over nothing, have induced, and to make restitution and
reparation.

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[CTRL] Top 12 Things Not To Say To A Cop

[Hilary A. Thomas]

from Jeff:

Top 12 Things Not To Say To A Copl. I can't reach my license 
unless you hold my beer.2. Sorry, Officer, I didn't realize my radar 
detector wasn't plugged in.3. Aren't you the guy from the Village 
People?4. Hey, you must've been doin' about 125 mph to keep up with me. 
Good job!5. Are you Andy or Barney?6. I thought you had to be in 
relatively good physical condition to be a police officer.7. You're not 
gonna check the trunk are you?8. I pay your salary!9. Gee, 
Officer! That's terrific. The last officer only gave me a warning 
too!10. Do you know why you pulled me over? Okay, just so one of us 
does.11. I was trying to keep up with traffic. Yes, I know there are no 
other cars around. That's how far ahead of me they are.12. When the 
Officer says "Son, Your eyes look red, have you been drinking?" You 
probably shouldn't respond with, "Officer, your eyes looked glazed, have 
you been eating donuts?

Re: [CTRL] NEVER STAND DOWN!! WE SHALL NOT!!

[Ronald L. Wilson]

 -Caveat Lector-

One of my friends says:  "The only answer to the military draft is the old
concept of universal military training  which they used to kick around years
ago.  Every American citizen, men and women, between the ages of 18 and 20
should be required to spent two years in military training - boot camp,
self-defense, rifle range the whole course.  No exceptions - except for
severe physical or mental limitations.  That way we wouldn't have any Slick
Willie's or Newt's or any of the other numerous cowards and slackers
cluttering up the landscape.  We would also always have a ready reserve in
case we really did need to fight a war. The Swiss have such a system but I
believe it only applies to males. This is the only way to eliminate the
"welfare army," of poor and middle class combatants - and a guaranteed way
to keep morons like Slick Willie from sending troops to every rat-hole in
the world.  If the "elitist" saw their sons and daughters in harms way every
time we went on one of these military adventures our foreign policy would be
totally different.  (No Rockefeller has every seen combat for this country.)
Besides that the discipline, maturity and physical fitness the younger
generations would gain from the training would solve tremendous social
problems in this country.  Might even bring back a sense of duty and honor
to our whole culture.  One of those win-win situations our leaders (?) are
always talking about - but try to get it established.   Don "

Seems to me there is some truth in his thinkingRon Wilson


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Subject: [CTRL] NEVER STAND DOWN!! WE SHALL NOT!!


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> ..
>
> Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
> From: Mark A. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:  NEVER STAND DOWN!!  WE SHALL NOT!!
> Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 1:47 PM
>
>  From Norm Olson,
>
>   Rather than answer point-by-point the lengthy asertions of
>   those who have found a new vision for 2000 and beyond,  let me
>   reiterate the principles of the solid foundation on which the
>   militia and patriot movement has been built.
>
>   1st.  The militia is not a, "INVENTION, " it is a development.  The
>   militia was born when we felt the danger of tyranny.  It was not
>   "created" as something novel or unique.  It EMERGED from the
>   body of the people as a NATURAL response to the preceived
>   threat to ourselves, our property, our liberty, and our posterity.
>   We can no more "uncreate" the militia than alter the response
>   of ordinary people to a threat.  (This I covered at length in my
>   essay, "The Militia Movement - From Where I Stand" . . . send
>   on request to anyone interested.)  The militia cannot just "go away"
>   until justice and peace and security allow it reside once again the
>   the body of the people.
>
>   2nd. The militia movement has developed to a level of
>   great potentiality.  That is, we have prepared!  Semper Vigilio, Semper
>   Paratus. The militia was never the ONLY vehicle to win our liberty,
>   but rather one of several methods available to serve in the
>   struggle.  The militia alone is ADJUNT to other, more subtle
>   methods of winning over the hearts and minds of the people. The
>   militia may force open the door of change, but it will never
>   enter. The change will come from a feeling among the body politic
>   that change is necessary.  The militia can only attempt to assure
>   that that change is finally made.  The militia is NOT the only means
>   to the end.  It is one of many.  Until that change is made, the militia
>   will not only be NECESSARY, it will be be impossible to expunge!
>
>   3rd. There are some who wish to dismantle the militia, or to
>   "dismiss" the need for the militia in this post 2000 era.   I cannot
>   stress with enough forcefulness the error of any such suggestion!
>   The militia must GROW and ORGANIZE.  The militia has been the
>   brunt of unnumbered criticisms and jokes and accusations.
>   There are those who tease us by saying that we are foolish to
>   organize and elect leaders and to prepare.  I would say that our
>   presence may be a joke to those whose private agendas find no place
>   for us, but WE ARE NOT A JOKE TO THE CORRUPT REGIME OF POWER
>   IN WASHINGTON   We are a threat to be contended with.   SO BE IT!!!
>
>   These criticisms, from people whose loyalties are in question, only
>   provide
>   support to the origin of the militia.  At it's genesis, the militia
>   stood against tyranny, the abuse of power, the corruption of
>   government, and the injustice of a regime that has evacuated
>   God!  Nothing has changed!  The militia is needed more NOW
>   than ever before.  Those who say we should go away only ignite
>   within us a greater desi

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

[Eagle 1]

 -Caveat Lector-

:: This article is very interesting... Lloyd,
However,  I would like to hope that not all who are called by the title name
"Christian" are stereotyped into the factions that started these ugly rumors
you've listed in your article.  As a matter of fact,  anyone with any Bible
literacy or common sense does not believe this junk you've listed in your
article...

I am Christian and find nothing in your article that agrees with Bible
truths,  especially the bits about rapture and something special with the
year 2000.  The doomsdayers are of the so called Christian factions that
believe traditions of men and false doctrines that have been devised by
men's imaginations.

However,  there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last
days".  It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who
would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable of
the Fig Tree to the multitude.  If one does not understand the parable of
the Fig Tree,  little else of the Bible will ever make sense.  It has to do
with the last generation that would be established when Israel symbollically
planted, as well as demographically planted, the good and the bad fig trees
in Jerusalem;  which they have done,  making claim to Israel's announcement
that she is a bonafide nation on May 15th, 1948.  The good fig tree
represents those who are pure in their lineage,  truly 'Jews' (Hebrews) and
the bad fig tree representing those who are tainted in their lineage,  and
'who call themselves 'Jews',  but are not,  but are of the synagogue of
Satan..."  (Revelation 2:9; 3:9)   The Bible declares that a "generation"
can be 40 years, 50 years, 72 years, 80 years, or 120 years.  So to say that
Biblical promises are not kept,  or that they were only given to Jesus'
disciples is ludicrous.   Jesus did in fact speak to the "last generation".
Whether you want to believe it or not,  makes me no mind...  but for the
record,  you are living in that last generation;  the generation that has
seen Israel become a nation.

I suppose the same could be said of Christians...
those who say they are but are not...
There are plenty of them around.
They can talk the talk but few can walk the walk.

Scoff if you must at Biblical truths.  THAT too,  was predicted would happen
also.  Count yourself among the many who scoff,  and do not count yourself
among the few...
who don't.  Peter said in his warning:   "Knowing this first, that there
shall come in the LAST DAYS 'scoffers' [mockers], walking after their own
lusts [lies]; And saying 'Where is the promise of HIS [Jesus'] coming?  For
since the fathers fell asleep [died],  all things continue as they were from
the beginning of the creation...'
For this they willingly are ignorant..."  2-Peter 3:4 & 5.

eagle 1


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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 2:15 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> ..
>
> Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
> From: publish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
> Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 9:32 PM
>
>
> Americans are already beginning to examine their Y2K stores.
> What will become of the new DC generator stored in the garage, the
> porta-potty, the water purifier and the freeze-dried beef and canned
wheat?
> A few who feared Y2K may have bought a remote cabin retreat with a garden
> plot, or left good jobs to avoid expected inter city ethnic catastrophe.
> We wish them well, they are not the first.
>
> For most, Y2K will simply be a memory and a useful dry run in
> self-preparedness.  The biggest beneficiaries will be those who sold stuff
> and bad advice.  The most surprised people may be retailers with a
> no-questions-asked return policy, for it is likely their parking lots and
> return lines will be very busy indeed.  There may actually be a serious
Y2K
> retail backlash from reverse sales when stuff gets returned and the family
> decides to eat up the stored spam and canned stew, however reluctantly,
> reducing their shopping needs for a few months.
>
> I have seen no polls on the matter, but without a doubt many of those most
> affected were influenced by Celebrity Christians, who were most
susceptible
> to the apocalypse epidemic.  The Y2K ripoff is part of a more damaging
> fleecing that has been perpetrated upon the Christians for three
> generations.  It is part of the great "end times" hoax that is far more
> enduring and destructive than its adopted Y2K stepchild.
>
> The doomsday cult was hatched in the 1830's in England in the person of
> John Nelson Darby, the inventor of the British Israel movement.  Before
> Darby's revelations believers in Christ's deity generally thought the "end
> time" ended when Jesus was murdered by the Pharisees and raised by God.
> (Jesus told his Disciples th

[CTRL] Humor: Shopping at Wal-Mart

[Hilary A. Thomas]

From James:
 
Things people do at Wal-Mart while waiting while their 
honeys "take his/her sweet time" shopping..1.  
Get the boxes of condoms & randomly put them in peoples' carts whenthey 
are not looking.2.  Set all the alarm clocks to go off at 10 minute 
intervals.3.  Make a trail of orange juice on the floor to the rest 
rooms.4.  Walk up to an employee and tell him/her in an official 
tone, "Ithink we have a Code 3 in house wares," and see what 
happens.5.  Turn all the radios to a polka station, then turn them 
all off andturn the volumes to 10.6.  Challenge other customers 
to duel with tubes of gift wrap.7.  Put M&M's on 
layaway.8.  Move "CAUTION-WET FLOOR" signs to carpet 
areas.9.  Set up a tent in the camping department; tell others 
you'll onlyinvite them if they bring pillows from the bedding 
department.10. When someone asks if they can help you, begin to cry and 
ask "Whywon't you people leave me alone?"11. Look right 
into the security camera and use it as a mirror while youpick your 
nose.12. Take up an entire aisle in toys by setting up a full 
scalebattlefield with GI Joe's and X-Men.13. Ask other customers if 
they have any Grey Poupon.14. While handling guns in the hunting 
department ask the clerk if heknows where the antidepressants 
are.15. Switch signs on the men's and women's bathrooms.16. Dart 
around suspiciously while humming the theme from 
"MissionImpossible."17. Set up a "Valet Parking" 
sign out front.18. In the auto department practice your Madonna look 
using differentsize funnels.19. Hide in the clothing rack and when 
people browse through say, "PICKME! PICK ME!!"20. When 
an announcement comes over the loud speaker assume the fetalposition and 
scream, "NO!  NO! It's those voices again."21. Go to the 
food court, get a soft drink, tell them you don't get outmuch and would they 
put one of those little umbrellas in it.22. Go into the fitting room and 
yell real loud ..."Hey we're out oftoilet paper in 
here!"...Have a nice time at 
Wal-mart!

[CTRL] The enigma channel - researchers chat room

[Nicky Molloy]

 -Caveat Lector-

Now is your chance to chat with fellow researchers on conspiracy, secret
societies and UFOs etc The Enigma Channel is in the UK so it will be good
for contacts.

>From Chris Everard
The Enigma Channel

PS - please use the enigma channel message board (www.enigmatv.com) and Text
Translator to advertise events and network with researchers all over the
world.

The message board is available from the CONTACT button on the main viewing
page of The Enigma Channel (black page with blue buttons).

Please also use the message board to give helpful hints and tips to PC users
about configuring their computers to receive the best quality video and
audio from The Enigma Channel.

The Chatroom is busy mostly on Saturdays and Sundays with UFO researchers.
Why not set a time to meet in the chatroom by placing a message on the
message board?

We are implementing a lot of new features - so make sure you refresh your
cache each time you log on to the enigma channel (hold down the Windows or
Apple Command key and press "R" on the kryboard - you can also use the
preferences settings in your browser and select "empy cache now" to refresh
the cache.

The cyberstore will be open soon.

Please pass on this information to your e-mail buddies.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Clinton to join Vernon Jordaninvestmentfirm...

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 01/05/2000 6:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
 Wonderful person indeed.

 Joshua2 >>

Well, Joshua, I like New York City, or at least I did many years ago.  The
guy who came up with the plan to save New York was Felix Rohatyn.  I liked
listening to all that intelligence then, and when the Republican Congress
went into orbit at the thought of putting him at the Federal Reserve,  and he
was given an ambassadorship I thought the country was lucky to have that kind
of person to represent us.  Fortunately he is wealthy enough to be able to
take it.  If he'd only have been born in this country, I'd like to see him
run for the presidency.  We all have our favorite people, Joshua.  Felix
Rohatyn just happens to be pretty high on my list.   Prudy

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[CTRL] City council apologizes for response to police shooting

[Richard Sampson]

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http://www.sacbee.com/news/calreport/calrep_story.cgi?N34.HTML

 City council apologizes for response to police shooting

 CLAREMONT, Calif. (AP) -- In a letter to the community, city
officials apologized and asked for forgiveness for their widely criticized
handling of a police shooting that left a black motorist dead.

 The letter, read at a council meeting Monday, comes after the
city manager released the criminal history of the victim's uncle, a protest
organizer, and endorsed the officers involved in the shooting as employees of
the year.

 "We regret some of the actions of the city taken over the
past several months have been divisive," the letter said. "The City Council
and the city manager should have been more sensitive."

 The apology comes nearly a year after two Claremont police
officers shot and killed 18-year-old Irvin Landrum Jr., setting off protests
accusing the police of racism and coverups.

 Landrum was pulled over on Jan. 11, 1999, by officers Hany
Hanna and Kent Jacks for speeding. He was killed after allegedly pulling an
illegally concealed weapon and firing at them.

 A sheriff's investigation, however, showed the gun had not
been fired, had no fingerprints and was last registered to a deceased police
chief in a nearby town.

 The Los Angeles County district attorney's office found the
officers were not criminally liable for the shooting. But Landrum's family
contends the young man did not own a gun and says it was planted by police.
The U.S. Justice Department is investigating.

 The council has decided to mail the letter to every home in
the city once all five council members have signed it.

 "I am not proud of our insensitive lack of action," Mayor
Karen Rosenthal said.

 Reaction Monday ranged from relief to skepticism. Many
speakers at the council meeting blamed the city manager for making a bad
situation worse.

 Former councilwoman Claire McDonald, who served in the 1970s,
accused the council of failing to assert control over City Manager Glenn
Southard, who released the criminal history of protest leader Obee Landrum.

 Landrum said he doubted the council's sincerity.

 "Am I supposed to believe this is a sincere effort when the
mayor endorses (Southard) today?" he said.

 Southard defended his actions in a story published Monday in
the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin. In that story, he defended his decision to
release Obee Landrum's rap sheet.

 He said Landrum's record, which included two stints in prison
for burglary and grand theft, made him a threat.

 Claremont is about 40 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.




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[CTRL] NATO DOUBLE CROSS

[lloyd]

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
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Subject: NATO DOUBLE CROSS
Date: Monday, January 03, 2000 5:54 PM


COMMUNIQUE  #2243   http://TeamInfinity.com/~ralph/church
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http://www.vatican.va/library_archives/vat_secret_archives/index.htm


NATO DOUBLE CROSS
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This seems to be STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.
OSSAMA BIN LADEN was also DOUBLE CROSSED by US,
hence his current ANTI-AMERICAN RAGE...

http://washtimes.com/world/News3-2103.htm

Serbian draft resisters forgotten

Veronique Mistiaen
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Published 1/3/2000

Thousands of young men who fled Serbia rather than
take part in the war in Kosovo now find themselves
stranded in Hungary, facing long prison sentences if
they go home but denied refugee status in Hungary or
any other NATO country.

BUDAPEST Thousands of young men who fled Serbia
rather than take part in Yugoslav President Slobodan
Milosevic's war in Kosovo now find themselves stranded
in Hungary, facing long prison sentences if they go
home but denied refugee status in Hungary or any other
NATO country.

 Many have been held since the Kosovo campaign in
Debrecen, a former Soviet army base made up of rows of
dilapidated barracks surrounded by barbed wire, where
they spend their days sitting on iron beds in dank
rooms staring into space.

 This so-called "reception center," housing about
1,000 asylum seekers from around the world, is just
one of the camps holding the Serbian deserters and
draft resisters, some accompanied by wives and
children. Others survive in overcrowded and inadequate
private accommodations in Hungary.

 In the words of Amnesty International, they are
"the forgotten resisters" of the Kosovo war.
"Throughout the conflict in Kosovo, NATO member states
made repeated calls to those serving in the Yugoslav
military to resist their leadership," said Brian
Phillips of Amnesty, one of the few organizations
campaigning on their behalf.

 "Now the men who . . . heeded these calls and the
prompting of their conscience, find themselves in
urgent need of protection. But the governments who
issued the calls to resistance appear to take little
interest in the uncertain future facing these men."

 Lorenzo Pasquali, deputy representative for the
U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in
Budapest, said no one is sure how many Yugoslavs are
living in Hungary, although newspapers have quoted
figures up to 20,000. Amnesty and other human rights
organizations estimate their numbers in the thousands.

 Typical of these men is Goran, a 28-year-old
Serbian technician who fled when military police came
to deliver his draft papers on March 31, 1999, a few
days after NATO started bombing Serbia.

 "I knew the risks. Milosevic had declared a state
of war and the borders were closed," said the tall,
dark-haired man, who asked that his last name be
withheld to protect his family. "But I didn't agree
with his senseless policies. I had always opposed him.
I wasn't going to serve in his war."

 Goran said he grabbed a change of clothes, a
piece of bread, his passport and some meager savings
and took off through roads, fields and woods across
what refugees call the "green border" into Hungary.

 "I felt so optimistic. I thought my worries were
behind me" when he crossed the border, Goran said. But
he was soon picked up by Hungarian border police and
sent to two refugee camps before ending up at
Debrecen. There, he was told his application for
asylum had been denied for lack of evidence.

 Today, he feels utterly abandoned. "I know I did
the right thing by refusing to fight in the war. I
don't regret it, but it costs me so much. I have no
job. I miss my friends and family. I am afraid," he
said.

 Hunched on his bed, slowly sipping tea from an
old yogurt pot, he continued: "In the eyes of my
people, I am a traitor and a lot would never forgive
me. . . . If I go home, I'll go to jail. But it seems
that everybody expects us to be sent back and doesn't
care."

 His main hope is to emigrate to the United
States, where an uncle in Texas is willing to sponsor
him, but he says that so far the U.S. Embassy has been
of little help.

 The Yugoslav Lawyers Committee for Human Rights
says men like Goran have good reason to fear returning
to Yugoslavia. Special laws imposed during the Kosovo
campaign provide for jail sentences of up to 10 years
for draft dodging, and up to 20 years for leaving the
country to avoid a recruitment call-up.

 Amnesty International has determined that at
least several hundred draft evaders are already
imprisoned in Yugoslavia, most of them serving
five-year sentences, and as many as 23,000 more cases
are before the military courts.

 Even without the threat of imprisonment, return
would be difficult for many. "My grandfather told me,
'