[CTRL] AP: Linda Tripp Plans More Public Life
Linda Tripp Plans More Public Life By Bruce Smith Associated Press Writer Sunday, June 4, 2000; 1:04 a.m. EDT CHARLESTON, S.C. Linda Tripp, making her first public appearance in months, said Saturday she plans to be more visible now that wiretapping charges have been dismissed because "if I continue to remain silent, they win." Tripp had avoided virtually all public appearances since her indictment in Maryland last July, though she has released statements on her Web site and through her attorney. She said she has received dozens of speaking invitations. "I am not a public person. All this is very difficult for me," she told about 60 people attending a dinner of the South Carolina chapter of Free Republic, a group that operates a conservative Web site and has strongly supported her. Charges that Trip illegally recorded Monica Lewinsky's conversations were dropped Wednesday after Maryland prosecutors said there was not enough evidence. Tripp is suing the White House and the Defense Department, alleging her privacy rights were violated by officials who leaked information from confidential government records. The wiretapping case closed, Tripp said her attorneys will turn their attention to the lawsuit. "In the next few weeks, we will be subpoenaing every national name you can imagine in the White House," she said. "It really is up to the civil process to hold them accountable." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dave Emory's Co-Stars at KPFK
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Alex Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dave Emory's Co-Stars at KPFK Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 12:12 PM Subject:Dave Emory's Co-Stars at KPFK Dave Emory's fellow "researchers" on "Something's Happening," a Pacifica production that airs on KPFK in Los Angeles, are a curious lot of quacks and propagandists. Among them, count: 1.) GARY NULL: In 1980, Null, a weekly guest on Tuckman's Tuesday night program, published an article in Penthouse extolling the virtues of one Dr. Joseph Issels a Nazi doctor at Auschwitz who worked with Mengele (source: Roger Steffans, raggae archivist). Good ol' Gary obscured Dr. Issel's past and described him as a martyr of the medical establishment. Dr. Issels "treated" (tortured) Bob Marley the last six months of the singer's life. To this day, Null publicly praises the "alternative cancer therapies" practiced by Dr. Issels, and devotee a section in his latest book on health to the Nazi doctor. 2.) WILLIAM COOPER: Roy Tuckman played this Arizona fascist's tapes for some time, though he has since learned that the militia leader is a disinformation broker (as if we didn't know) and ceased this practice. Not that Roy would ever aplologize for exposing his listeners to Nazi propaganda. On the ncontrary, he responds with anger whenever Cooper is brought up as if the topic is insulting. It is in fact his listeners who should be angry, I believe. As you know, Roy once believed in "aliens" and promoted Cooper's "research" on a regular basis. 3.) DR. FRANK STRANGES: Another creep out to expose the federal "alien" protection program. Again, Tuckman felt no need to apologize for disinforming his Southern California audience. 4.) LINDA THOMPSON: Oops. Roy certainly fell for a red herring here. He once played a talk by Thompson in which she claimed that the DoD has placed stickers on freeway signs to direct "the US Army to the cities" when marshall law is declared (we're still waiting) two weeks in a row, he felt her "research" was so important. 5.) BRENDA "EBBEN" RAY: A recent co-producer on Tuckman's program. The proverbial black woman with a penchant for Spotlight and David Icke. Ms. Ray once tried to persuade me that there is a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. The first "researcher" she interviewed was Bob Dobbs, a month or so ago, the ego-driven clone of Robert Anton Wilson, but even more irrelevant and wrong-headed, a huckster ... 6.) BOB DOBBS: The interview was in two parts, played on consecutive Wednesdays. Bob didn't have a whole lot to say, but he did boast a lot about his role in Operation Paperclip and the murder of John Kennedy, having dinner with Hitler, and the like. 7.) JOHN RAPAPORT John was a regular on Roy's program for years. He has left KPFK and is currently pushing the "Lizard Alien" line, echoing David Icke's hallucinatory, Pelley-style disinformation. I once wrote to John at KPFK and explained that Bo Gritz, another "researcher" he respects, is an anti-Semite. I sent him a transcript of one of Bo's own speeches thumpingly delivered at a Christian Identity rally in which Gritz denounced the Jewish race. John responded with a long-winded and passionate defense of Bo that aired on "Something's Happening." Oh, well, I tried... 8.) IRWIN SCHIFF: The famed right-wing tax protester. Roy Tuckman spent hours on the phone with him recently. When Michael Levine, formerly a DEA agent, attempted to expose Schiff as a charlatan a couple of weeks later, Tuckman took umbrage and ran to Schiff's defense by repeating his ridiculous tax evasion scemes. 9.) DAVID MOREHOUSE: The CIA "remote viewer" was an honored guest on Michael Levine's segment of "Something's Happening" recently. Levine gushed over Morehouse, announcing that he'd also had psychic experiences, and so, "I believe every word you say," said Levine. Morehouse is from the Aviary, a military psychological operations group. He is also a fatuous liar, but that's his job. And then there is DAVE EMORY himself: A conspiracy researcher who claims that Barbara Honegger, author of The October Surprise, murdered Mae Brussell. He has also posited that researcher John Judge was "a member of the Manson Family." Odd, though, that Emory offered no citations for these allegations Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
[CTRL] PV A HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER.doc
A CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER by D.L. Cuddy, Ph.D. Arranged and Edited by John Loeffler In the mainline media, those who adhere to the position that there is some kind of conspiracy pushing us towards a world government are virulently ridiculed. The standard attack maintains that the so-called New World Order is the product of turn-of-the-century, right-wing, bigoted, anti-semitic racists acting in the tradition of the long-debunked Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, now promulgated by some Militias and other right-wing hate groups. The historical record does not support that position to any large degree but it has become the mantra of the socialist left and their cronies, the media. The term New World Order has been used thousands of times in this century by proponents in high places of federalized world government. Some of those involved in this collaboration to achieve world order have been Jewish. The preponderance are not, so it most definitely is not a Jewish agenda. For years, leaders in education, industry, the media, banking, etc., have promoted those with the same Weltanschauung (world view) as theirs. Of course, someone might say that just because individuals promote their friends doesn't constitute a conspiracy. That's true in the usual sense. However, it does represent an open conspiracy, as described by noted Fabian Socialist H.G. Wells in The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution (1928). In 1913, prior to the passage of the Federal Reserve Act President Wilson's The New Freedom was published, in which he revealed: Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U. S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it. On November 21, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt wrote a letter to Col. Edward Mandell House, President Woodrow Wilson's close advisor: The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government every since the days of Andrew Jackson... That there is such a thing as a cabal of power brokers who control government behind the scenes has been detailed several times in this century by credible sources. Professor Carroll Quigley was Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown University. President Clinton has publicly paid homage to the influence Professor Quigley had on his life. In Quigley's magnum opus Tragedy and Hope (1966), he states: There does exist and has existed for a generation, an international network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies...but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known. Even talk show host Rush Limbaugh, an outspoken critic of anyone claiming a push for global government, said on his February 7, 1995 program: You see, if you amount to anything in Washington these days, it is because you have been plucked or handpicked from an Ivy League school -- Harvard, Yale, Kennedy School of Government -- you've shown an aptitude to be a good Ivy League type, and so you're plucked so-to-speak, and you are assigned success. You are assigned a certain role in government somewhere, and then your success is monitored and tracked, and you go where the pluckers and the handpickers can put you. On May 4, 1993, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) president Leslie Gelb said on The Charlie Rose Show that: ...you [Charlie Rose] had me on [before] to talk about the New World Order! I talk about it all the time. It's one world now. The Council [CFR] can find, nurture, and begin to put people in the kinds of jobs this country needs. And that's going to be one of the major enterprises of the Council under me. Previous CFR chairman, John J. McCloy (1953-70), actually said they have been doing this since the 1940s (and before). The thrust towards global government can be well-documented but at the end of the twentieth century it does not look like a traditional conspiracy in the usual sense of a secret cabal of evil men meeting
[CTRL] PV A HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER.doc
A CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER by D.L. Cuddy, Ph.D. Arranged and Edited by John Loeffler In the mainline media, those who adhere to the position that there is some kind of conspiracy pushing us towards a world government are virulently ridiculed. The standard attack maintains that the so-called New World Order is the product of turn-of-the-century, right-wing, bigoted, anti-semitic racists acting in the tradition of the long-debunked Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, now promulgated by some Militias and other right-wing hate groups. The historical record does not support that position to any large degree but it has become the mantra of the socialist left and their cronies, the media. The term New World Order has been used thousands of times in this century by proponents in high places of federalized world government. Some of those involved in this collaboration to achieve world order have been Jewish. The preponderance are not, so it most definitely is not a Jewish agenda. For years, leaders in education, industry, the media, banking, etc., have promoted those with the same Weltanschauung (world view) as theirs. Of course, someone might say that just because individuals promote their friends doesn't constitute a conspiracy. That's true in the usual sense. However, it does represent an open conspiracy, as described by noted Fabian Socialist H.G. Wells in The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution (1928). In 1913, prior to the passage of the Federal Reserve Act President Wilson's The New Freedom was published, in which he revealed: Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U. S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it. On November 21, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt wrote a letter to Col. Edward Mandell House, President Woodrow Wilson's close advisor: The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government every since the days of Andrew Jackson... That there is such a thing as a cabal of power brokers who control government behind the scenes has been detailed several times in this century by credible sources. Professor Carroll Quigley was Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown University. President Clinton has publicly paid homage to the influence Professor Quigley had on his life. In Quigley's magnum opus Tragedy and Hope (1966), he states: There does exist and has existed for a generation, an international network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies...but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known. Even talk show host Rush Limbaugh, an outspoken critic of anyone claiming a push for global government, said on his February 7, 1995 program: You see, if you amount to anything in Washington these days, it is because you have been plucked or handpicked from an Ivy League school -- Harvard, Yale, Kennedy School of Government -- you've shown an aptitude to be a good Ivy League type, and so you're plucked so-to-speak, and you are assigned success. You are assigned a certain role in government somewhere, and then your success is monitored and tracked, and you go where the pluckers and the handpickers can put you. On May 4, 1993, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) president Leslie Gelb said on The Charlie Rose Show that: ...you [Charlie Rose] had me on [before] to talk about the New World Order! I talk about it all the time. It's one world now. The Council [CFR] can find, nurture, and begin to put people in the kinds of jobs this country needs. And that's going to be one of the major enterprises of the Council under me. Previous CFR chairman, John J. McCloy (1953-70), actually said they have been doing this since the 1940s (and before). The thrust towards global government can be well-documented but at the end of the twentieth century it does not look like a traditional conspiracy in the usual sense of a secret cabal of evil men meeting
Re: [CTRL] and when is the US coming to save Zimbabwe(or at leastbomb anasprin factory)?
In 5-10 years we will hear the universal cry of socialists. Help us we are starving. John Taylor wrote: Electronic telegraph ISSUE 1835 Saturday 3 June 2000 Mugabe to seize 804 white farms 'instantly' By David Blair in Harare 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Something NEW, from ME: Sunday TV Shows - Craig, MTP; Lazio, TW; Holder, CNN
Lineup for the Sunday TV Shows By The Associated Press, Lineup for the Sunday TV news shows: ABC's ``This Week'' - Topic: Elian Gonzalez. Guests: Kendall Coffey, Miami family attorney. Topic: Politicians Take a Stand on the Death Penalty. Guests: Gov. George Ryan, R-Ill., with Sen. Rodney Ellis, D-Texas Senate, president pro-tempore; and Dudley Sharp, Justice for All. Topic: New York Politics: Lazio/Clinton Showdown. Guests: Rep. Rick Lazio, R-N.Y., and Howard Wolfson, Hillary 2000 campaign spokesman. Topic: Defending our Nation - Star Wars Style. Guest: Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. CBS' ``Face the Nation'' - Topic: The death penalty; Elian Gonzalez. Guests: Sen Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.; Gov. Frank Keating, R-Okla.; Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga.; Barry Scheck, DNA expert; Jose Garcia-Pedrosa, attorney for Miami relatives; Gregory Craig, attorney for Juan Miguel Gonzalez. NBC's ``Meet the Press'' - Topics: The Elian Gonzalez Case; The Clinton-Putin Summit; Interview with President Putin; John McCain: Arms Control; Campaign Finance Reform; The Bush Campaign. Guests: Gregory Craig, attorney for Juan Miguel Gonzalez; Vladimir Putin, president of Russia. ``Fox News Sunday'' - Topic: Presidential politics. Guests: Green Party Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader, Reform Party presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan, Gov. Tom Ridge, R-Pa. CNN's ``Late Edition'' - Topic: Russia, Mideast, Missile Defense. Guest: Madeleine Albright, secretary of state. Topic: Bush vs. Gore: International Policy. Guest: Condoleezza Rice, George W. Bush foreign policy adviser. Topic: Elian Gonzalez Case. Guest: Eric Holder, deputy attorney general, and Manny Diaz, attorney for Miami Gonzalez Family. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PV A HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER.doc
I'll say it again so that even right wing paranoids can understand the obvious. The NWO is from top to bottom, from alpha to omega, from asshole to appetite, a CAPITALIST ENTERPRISE. It is planned, managed, paid for, led, and driven by CAPITALISTS for CAPITALISTS. If anyone tells you that it's a commie plot, they are full of shit. If they tell you that Satan is behind it, you are dealing with a lunatic. If you don't like the direction the NWO is taking your country and your world, YOU MUST HIT THEM HARD IN THE POCKETBOOK. Remove the economic system from their clutches and the game is over. Otherwise you are only spinning your wheels. The problem is that Conservatives and Libertarians LOVE capitalism but hate the NWO so they try to focus our attention on the less important aspects of Internationalism and blame it on the commies. This is blatently absurd. Even the Commies are trying to get into the WTO. You would have to be an ideologue and/or an idiot to buy into these diversions. There is no shortage of either on the Right. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The (Ottoman) Empire Strikes Back
Bob Stokes wrote: In a message dated 00-06-03 11:37:23 EDT, Nurev writes: If push came to shove, the Turks would not be likely to support a Jewish State at war with their coreligionists. One little known fact about Turkey ~ When the United States refused to admit Jews into our country during WWII, the Turks were giving them refuge and did so throughout WWII. I know because there were several Jewish families living in the same apartment building I lived in Izmir. The Jews are accepted there by their supposed enemies (Moslems) and they get along quite well. One lady had visited Israel, but said she liked Turkey much better and felt safe there. Regards, Bob Stokes There have been Jews in that part of the world since Biblical times. There are Jews in Iran and there are Jews in Syria. That's not the point. The point is how many are there, and are they a weak minority? I should also say they deserve credit for being decent humans. There were long stretches of time when Jews and Moslems got along well. In all those times Islam was the dominant culture. Islam will tolerate other religions if the are subordinate to it. It was Jews who translated the ancient Greek Philosophers into Arabic, and the Moors who brought Europe out of the Church run Dark Ages. That was a big mistake. We should have let you Europeans wallow in your superstitious insanity. The Indians would have thanked us for it. Can't we all just get along? We'll soon find out. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Conspiring Toward a Multi-Poley World
OH MY GOD POLEY! Do you spend all your time annoying Jews? Get a fuck*ng life would you? We can't be distracted by the likes of you while we run world. One day you will distract one of us and we'll take our eye off the road. Smarten up Bunky. DON'T ANnOY THE DRIVERS. oNE EYE ON pOLEY oNE On THE rOAD. Joshua2 === Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [BCPolitics] Re: Everything You Wanted To Know About Jews But Were Afraid To Ask On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Barry Schwartz wrote: I never said anything about Semites. I was talking about Jews and non-Jews, and I simply put them into separate groups. I put them there. That made them different. What!!! If I have a big bag of randomly mixed, multi-coloured marbles and I arbitrarily divide them into two bags, that makes them different? Great, great, great grandpa Shlomo Poley would roll over in his grave. Now maybe if you, Barry, sprinkle one group with "pixie dust" they will differ. Otherwise Incidentally, we don't call it Hebonics, we call it Poleymics. I hope it is not too "Poleymical" but this is after all, a "Multi-Poley World" ever since Yeltysn's announcement and I have to say that until "Jews" stop referring to their enemies with that piece of semantic pollution, "antisemite", we should refer to them as "semites". Meanwhile, thanks to Bob Cohen's sleuthing the "Saga of Shlomo Poley" continues on the net. Bob discovered the Semite Poley branch of the family. Great, great, great...grandpa Shlomo Poley invented the bagel, founded the University of Khazaria and wrote the Protocols of the Learned Elder of Zion. Now there's a semite for you! FWP Saving on Long Distance is BIG NEWS. Click here and find out how you can save with beMANY! http://click.egroups.com/1/4262/3/_/103697/_/960057520/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Politics In Cities Across U.S. Take A Left Turn
Published on Thursday, June 1, 2000 in the http://www.thecapitaltimes.com/ Madison (WI) Capital Times Politics In Cities Across U.S. Take A Left Turn by John Nichols Madison is a two-party town. It is fair to say that the Democrats are in the dominant position, with such party stalwarts as U.S. Rep. Tammy Baldwin, state Rep. Mark Pocan, Mayor Sue Bauman and County Executive Kathleen Falk occupying key partisan and nonpartisan positions. But there is, as well, a scrappy second party in Madison, with members well represented on the City Council, County Board and School Board. The second party is, of course, Progressive Dane -- the union-backed, left-leaning group that over the past seven years has won dozens of contests for local posts and established solid ties with Baldwin, Falk and other non-PD officials. What of the Republicans? While the Grand Old Party's denizens sheepishly occupy a handful of local posts, they are hardly major players outside the confines of the Capitol Square. (It's worth noting that, in isthmus wards, Green candidate Ralph Nader whipped Republican Bob Dole in 1996 presidential voting. It's equally worth noting that Nader and his running mate, Winona LaDuke, will do significantly better in those same wards this year.) But Madison's just Madison, right? Wrong. The nontraditional politics of Wisconsin's capital city are mirrored in a growing number of communities across the United States. In Iowa City, for instance, Socialist Karen Kubby has just finished a decade-long stint on the City Council. In Burlington, Vt., Progressive Party members and their allies hold the mayor's job, a number of local posts and four legislative seats. In Arcata, Calif., Greens control the local government. The New Party is the No. 2 party on the Missoula, Mont., City Council. In Boston, Rainbow Coalition Party's Chuck Turner last fall became the first non-Democrat elected to the City Council in two decades. And San Francisco Supervisor Tom Ammiano almost got elected mayor of that city last fall as a blunt, no-strings-attached progressive. Third-party and independent progressive politics are alive and well in America. In the aftermath of the remarkable coalition-building that fueled last fall's anti-WTO protests in Seattle, there is reason to believe that this may be the ripest moment since the 1930s for a progressive political blossoming in the United States. That's certainly the hope of the Independent Progressive Politics Network, which begins its fifth National Independent Politics Summit here today. The summit, which runs through Sunday on the UW campus (call 556-1232 for details) brings together activists such as the always inspiring Baldemar Velasquez of the Farm Labor Organizing Committee; academics such as Lawrence Goodwin, author of "The Populist Moment''; and successful independent pols such as Iowa City's Kubby. South African poet Dennis Brutus, one of the wisest voices on the planet regarding globalization and democracy in the developing world, is expected to be present, as are LaDuke and Socialist Party presidential candidate David McReynolds, whose long history of activism on peace and social justice issues makes him a bridge between the Old Left, the New Left and the even newer PS (Post-Seattle) Left. Singer Holly Near will join Madison's excellent Vicki Guzman for a Barrymore Theatre benefit on behalf of the Independent Progressive Politics Network Friday night. Underpinning the forums, seminars and workshops of the weekend will be a new energy, which is grounded in the realization that independent progressive politics is no longer a "from-the-sidelines'' activity. In Madison and a growing number of communities, new parties of the left are not just challenging the political process, they are displacing traditional players and taking charge of that process. The American people are welcoming the change. Indeed, with the latest New York Times/CBS Poll showing that 75 percent of Americans are dissatisfied with the process that gave them Al Gore and George W. Bush as their prime presidential choices, the electorate is signaling that the alternatives the Independent Progressive Politics Network and its affiliates propose cannot come fast enough. John Nichols is the editorial page editor of The Capital Times. =A9 2000 The Capital Times Green Party: http://www.greens.org/gpusa State Association of Green Parties: http://www.greenparties.org New Party: http://newparty.org/ Independent Progressive Politics Network: http://www.ippn.org/ Socialist Party USA: http://www.sp-usa.org/ McReynolds-Hollis Campaign: http://www,votesocialist.org/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many
[CTRL] Eureka! Scientists break speed of light
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/06/04/stifgnusa01007.html June 4 2000 UNITED STATES Eureka! Scientists break speed of light Jonathan Leake, Science Editor SCIENTISTS claim they have broken the ultimate speed barrier: the speed of light. In research carried out in the United States, particle physicists have shown that light pulses can be accelerated to up to 300 times their normal velocity of 186,000 miles per second. The implications, like the speed, are mind-boggling. On one interpretation it means that light will arrive at its destination almost before it has started its journey. In effect, it is leaping forward in time. Exact details of the findings remain confidential because they have been submitted to Nature, the international scientific journal, for review prior to possible publication. The work was carried out by Dr Lijun Wang, of the NEC research institute in Princeton, who transmitted a pulse of light towards a chamber filled with specially treated caesium gas. Before the pulse had fully entered the chamber it had gone right through it and travelled a further 60ft across the laboratory. In effect it existed in two places at once, a phenomenon that Wang explains by saying it travelled 300 times faster than light. The research is already causing controversy among physicists. What bothers them is that if light could travel forward in time it could carry information. This would breach one of the basic principles in physics - causality, which says that a cause must come before an effect. It would also shatter Einstein's theory of relativity since it depends in part on the speed of light being unbreachable. This weekend Wang said he could not give details but confirmed: "Our light pulses did indeed travel faster than the accepted speed of light. I hope it will give us a much better understanding of the nature of light and how it behaves." Dr Raymond Chiao, professor of physics at the University of California at Berkeley, who is familiar with Wang's work, said he was impressedby the findings. "This is a fascinating experiment," he said. In Italy, another group of physicists has also succeeded in breaking the light speed barrier. In a newly published paper, physicists at the Italian National Research Council described how they propagated microwaves at 25% above normal light speed. The group speculates that it could be possible to transmit information faster than light. Dr Guenter Nimtz, of Cologne University, an expert in the field, agrees. He believes that information can be sent faster than light and last week gave a paper describing how it could be done to a conference in Edinburgh. He believes, however, that this will not breach the principle of causality because the time taken to interpret the signal would fritter away all the savings. "The most likely application for this is not in time travel but in speeding up the way signals move through computer circuits," he said. Wang's experiment is the latest and possibly the most important evidence that the physical world may not operate according to any of the accepted conventions. In the new world that modern science is beginning to perceive, sub- atomic particles can apparently exist in two places at the same time - making no distinction between space and time. Separate experiments carried out by Chiao illustrate this. He showed that in certain circumstances photons - the particles of which light is made - could apparently jump between two points separated by a barrier in what appears to be zero time. The process, known as tunnelling, has been used to make some of the most sensitive electron microscopes. The implications of Wang's experiments will arouse fierce debate. Many will question whether his work can be interpreted as proving that light can exceed its normal speed - suggesting that another mechanism may be at work. Neil Turok, professor of mathematical physics at Cambridge University, said he awaited the details with interest, but added: "I doubt this will change our view of the fundamental laws of physics." Wang emphasises that his experiments are relevant only to light and may not apply to other physical entities. But scientists are beginning to accept that man may eventually exploit some of these characteristics for inter-stellar space travel. Next page: Trials to start for cocaine 'vaccine' Next: Trials to start for cocaine 'vaccine' Copyright 2000 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on Times Newspapers' standard terms and conditions. To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from The Sunday Times, visit the Syndication website. -- Kathleen The right to revolt has sources deep in our history. -- Supreme Court Justice William Orville Douglas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These
Re: [CTRL] Conspiring Toward a Multi-Poley World
Mr. Poley: I see you are Ph.D. What do you think of this speed of light being broken, like sound barrier which produced really nothing but big booms in the sky and fast planes going no where. So, speed of light; does this mean Beam Me Up Scottie is here and someday we will travel to Venus on a beam from the sun or moon? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Donald Freed on JonBenet Ramsey Case
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Alex Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Donald Freed on JonBenet Ramsey Case Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 12:32 AM TRANSCRIPT OF A PUBLIC AFFAIR aired 2/15/99 08:35am on KGNU-Boulder MCFARLAND: This is Bob McFarland with a public affair and my guest this morning is Donald Freed who is an author, screen writer among other things. Donald Freed has written Killing Time/U, a book about the OJ Simpson trial and the screen play, quot;Executive Actionquot; which was about the JFK assassination. And what other things would the listeners be interested in what you've done? FREED: I'm a visiting professor at Loyola Marymount University (L.A.) and I'm teaching at USC and I'm working on a film about the murder of Martin Luther King. I've been working for about a year and a half on the Ramsey murder for a two part series for ABC one of which is completed and the other of which will be completed if ABC wishes to complete it. At the moment they have frozen the project and itís not clear whether it will be done elsewhere if at all. And of course the crime that has generated such interest has also GENERATED GREAT FEAR in the media because this taboo is the most fearsome in a way of all the taboos. But in so working on ABC's budget for that time, I was able to go to Europe and elsewhere. And I finally presented some information to the police and the FBI during several meetings in Boulder. I haven't talked about it publicly until now, but I think now that I've waited more then what use to be called a "decent interval." So I'll talk about this a little bit. If you take your mind back to the morning of the crime---I say the morning of the crime because I think its clear what I mean and that day after Christmas. The call came into the Boulder police at about 5:52am and thus began the time-line. The kind of work I do is forensic work on time-lines. That's what I did in the Simpson case in (my book) Killing Time/U. That's what I would like you to follow me on. After that call comes in, a uniformed policeman comes to the house by about 6:00 am and then more personnel arrive. The morning goes by; in the early afternoon the body is found, and sometime in the evening the coroner arrives---and that's the rough time-line of that day. For several hours during the morning, a Boulder police detective was alone at the house while family and friends walked about and generally, completely co-opted the crime scene. Since that first day until this hour the lawyers and the pundits and experts and media commentators have never ceased to state that the Boulder police did not maintain the crime scene. In fact, they destroyed the crime scene and they went so far as to create the most awkward move perhaps in the history of a homicide investigation in asking John Ramsey to search the house whereupon he found his daughter, carried her upstairs, and laid her out in front of the Christmas tree. All this has been rehearsed and repeated endlessly in the media and its been stated by the most serious experts that the case will probably never, ever go to trial because of the police mishandling of that day. What is more (it is perceived) that the police didn't take the expert advice that such an amateur police department from such a little town would have needed. And there was the FBI offering to help at every step of the way and finally trying to salvage the case by inviting everyone to Quantico, Virginia; then helping with the presentation. And that is the general idea or story line of the case. MCFARLAND: Yes, one of the detectives, Linda Arndt filed a lawsuit over her dismissal. FREED: Now, if I may, Dr. McFarland, ask you a few questions? MCFARLANDB: /BSure FREED: How did it come to pass that, in your opinion, that the Boulder police were in charge of the crime scene in general for about eight hours with a lone detective there. And how is it that this detective and this police force had never held themselves out as experts on terrorism or kidnapping. Remember we're talking about a note that announces itís from a foreign faction that "hates" your country and has other "bigwigs" in their gunsights. How do you understand it that the Boulder police---the much blamed Boulder police---are in charge of this crime scene?!? MCFARLAND: H? Well, I think they didn't feel the need for another unit because they really didn't believe that ransom note. FREED: Oh, I quite agree with you, BUT let me say to you this. You're aware, I'm sure, that the historic and famous jurisdiction, in the case of kidnapping, belongs to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. MCFARLAND: The Lindberg LawFREED: YES, itís not only their jealously guarded turf, but they base their budget on few traditional areas such as grand theft auto; interstate offense of all kinds; and KIDNAPPING. And in kidnapping, they have written the book. They have
[CTRL] Fwd: Mormons and Kubbalah
http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/jskabb3.htm The ubiquitous influence of Kabbalah upon the occult traditions of the nineteenth century has been stressed, but its specific import in Masonry requires repeated emphasis. Noted historian of occultism Arthur Edward Waite suggested in his 1923 encyclopedia of Freemasonry that much of the "great" and "incomprehensible" heart of Masonry came from Kabbalah, "the Secret Tradition of Israel."106 He finds such important Masonic symbols as the Lost Word, the Temple of Solomon, the pillars Jachin and Boaz, the concept of the Master-Builder, and restoration of Zion, all derived from the lore of Kabbalah. The organizer of Scottish Rite Freemasonry in America, Albert Pike, manifested a similar sentiment and indexed over seventy entries to the subject of Kabbalah in his classic nineteenth-century study, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.107 Though Pike's work was published in 1871, his views reflected lore already established in Masonry during the period of Joseph Smith's Masonic initiations three decades earlier. Indeed, one of the earliest documentary mentions of Masonry appearing in 1691 specifically linked it with these Jewish traditions.108 As Homer notes, the Scottish Rite developed by Pike was an evolution of the eighteenth-century French Masonic Rite de Perfection, which in several degrees was influenced by Kabbalah.109 Kabbalah's importance in Masonic lore is also witnessed by Maritnez de Pasqually and his late-eighteenth century Kabbalistic-Masonic restoration of ancient priesthood in the Order of Les Elus Cohen. Much of this Kabbalistic influence upon Masonry may have come from Rosicrucianism (again recalling their close association), infused as it was with alchemical and Kabbalistic symbolism. But some additional influence might be attributed to esoteric sources like the Frankist movement. The Frankist--followers of Jacob Frank, and successors to the Kabbalistically inclined Sabbatean heresy--had become active in Central European Masonic organizations in the late eighteenth century.110 Given the wide diffusion of a Christianized and Rosicrucian version of Kabbalah into Masonry, Joseph Smith probably heard something about the tradition during the course of his almost twenty-year association with Masons and Freemasonry. It might be argued that these occult Masonic inclinations were all part of a sophisticated, esoteric form of European Masonry foreign to the world of frontier America. To the contrary--and though not yet fully investigated--there are several reasons to believe that what Joseph Smith encountered in Nauvoo was an esoteric interpretation of Masonry. As mentioned earlier, between the mid-eighteenth and the beginnings of the nineteenth century a multitude of occult orders rose from Masonry. Each of these tended to develop its own interrelated system of symbolic ceremonies for conveying distinct esoteric visions. The different rites also often claimed variant "authentic" Masonic origins: in ancient Egyptian mysteries; in the lineages of the medieval Knights Templar; in Kabbalistic transmissions; and in Hermetic-alchemical-Rosicrucian traditions. Robert Macoy's 1872 encyclopedia of Freemasonry cataloged over forty-five distinct systems of Masonic rites developed during the period from 1750 to 1820.111 In retrospect one might suggest that during this unusual epoch a creatively elite group of individuals coming from many sectors of society encountered in the Masonic mythos a new medium for expressing their visions. Though basic York rite (or Blue Lodge) Masonry with its three degrees was a common grounding for most of these, around that foundation appeared many layerings of esoteric accretions. With the tools of allegory, symbol, and imagination, and in a format suggesting great mysterious antiquity, men touched by the Masonic mythos began producing new "ancient" rituals. One is reminded of Ireneaus' complaint about the Gnostics responding to the creative muse of their times: "every one of them generates something new, day by day, according to his ability; for no one is deemed mature, who does not develop . . . some mighty fiction." 112 *** Joseph Smith and Kabbalah in Nauvoo By 1842 Joseph Smith most likely had touched the subject of Kabbalah in several ways and versions, even if such contacts remain beyond easy documentation. During Joseph's final years in Nauvoo, however, his connection with Kabbalah becomes more concrete. In the spring of 1841 there apparently arrived in Nauvoo an extraordinary library of Kabbalistic writings belonging to a European Jew and convert to Mormonism who evidently new Kabbalah and its principal written works. This man, Alexander Neibaur, would soon become the prophet's friend and companion. Neibaur has received little detailed study by Mormon historians, and his knowledge of Kabbalah has earned only an occasional passing footnote in Mormon historical work.121 Neibaur was born in
[CTRL] OEN 6/4/00
from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Nukes of Hazard How to Guard Against Missile Attacks Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyoming, recorded a message that one of its Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missiles was about to launch from its silo due to a computer malfunction. To prevent the possible launch, an armored car was parked on top of the silo. Shaun Gregory, The Hidden Cost of Deterrence: Nuclear Weapons Accidents, Brassey's UK, London, 1990, pp. 181-182. Single Currency Nasty Danes Snub New European Order Take this euro and shove it. DANISH voters are set to deliver a stinging blow to the credibility of the euro in a referendum that will set the tone for similar votes in Britain and Sweden. Opposition to joining the common currency is growing, according to a startling opinion poll splashed across the front pages of Denmark's newspapers yesterday. The poll, which showed that 47 per cent of the population were opposed to joining the currency compared to 43 per cent in favour, was the first time that those against had outnumbered those in favour in more than two years. The No campaign was shown to be gaining support from both left and right-wing parties ahead of the September vote. A defeat for pro-euro campaigners would be seen as a disastrous precedent for supporters of the single currency in Britain, where the Government is committed to calling a referendum on the euro in the next parliament. The Swedish government has also said it will call a poll after the Danish referendum. "The Yes campaign will have to do something very major to turn this around," said Karsten Skjalm, a European affairs expert at the Danish foreign policy institute. "At this stage, it certainly looks like it's going to be a No vote. A Danish rejection would not in itself be fatal for the euro, but it could influence the British vote, and if the British vote against the euro that really will be serious." When the pro-euro Social Democrat prime minister, Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, called the September referendum on entry into the single currency in March, an easy victory for Yes campaigners was expected. Since then, a series of gaffes in Copenhagen, Brussels and Berlin has turned Danes against monetary union, which many now believe is only a first step to full political integration in Europe. John Iversen, who is in charge of the Social Democratic party's Yes campaign, admits that the outlook is bleak. He said: "Events elsewhere in Europe are not helping our case. The speech by the German foreign minister Joschka Fischer, recommending a federal Europe, was not good for us, and the European Union's sanctions against Austria are also very unpopular here. "People see it as unfair aggression against a small state - a small state like Denmark." In attempting to appease doubters, the Danish government has only managed to increase the confusion about what voters are really signing up to. Speaking in Japan last month, Mr Rasmussen suggested that Denmark could retain the option of withdrawing from the euro after joining. The Italian president of the European Commission, Romano Prodi, contradicted him, stating that membership of the euro was "by definition permanent". After a hasty exchange of phone calls between Brussels and Copenhagen, Mr Prodi gave a new statement, saying: "From a political point of view Mr Rasmussen is right, but in the EU's Treaty there are no procedures for going in and then going out." Soon afterwards, the newspaper Politiken discovered that Denmark's largest trade union, LO, had decided to keep secret a poll that revealed that a large majority of its one million members wished to keep the krone. Then, two weeks ago, an economic committee of "Wise Men" reported that the advantages of joining the euro were in any case, "slight and uncertain". "The Yes campaign is in a complete mess," said Michael Seidelin, political editor of Politiken. "They know that Danes reject further political integration. So if they can't make an economic argument for the euro, they have nothing left to say." Boosted by the new poll, the No campaign has embarked on a nationwide publicity-campaign. A "krone car", bedecked with images of the Danish currency is already touring the country. The Right-wing Danish People's Party has doubled its share of popular support, becoming the country's major opposition group, by campaigning against the euro using slogans such as "Keep the krone - vote Danish." Along with Britain, Denmark has traditionally been a reluctant participant in European integration and a fierce opponent of federalist ambition. In 1992, the Danes caused a temporary crisis in EU affairs by voting against the Maastricht Treaty, which laid the basis for monetary union. They signed up a year later having been granted, like Britain, an EMU opt-out. Forced to take desperate measures, the Yes campaigners are now resorting to
[CTRL] BASULTO DATA DUMP
from: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/basultodatadump.htm Click Here: A HREF="http://www.newsmakingnews.com/basultodatadump.htm"BASULT O DATA DUMP http/A - BASULTO DATA DUMP http://www.newsmakingnews.com THE OPERATOR BEHIND THE ELIAN CASE -- JOSE BASULTO. THE CUBAN PROPERTY GRAB. HIS LINKS TO CLAY SHAW, FELIX RODRIGUEZ AND BUSH. 1. BASULTO SETS UP OPERATION "ELIAN." Jose Basulto is the chief organizer of the Miami Cubans who want to block Juan Gonzalez from taking his son back to Cuba. Basulto, the president of Brothers to the Rescue, arrived at the hospital where Elian was brought in from the sea wreck. For mysterious reasons, the INS did not do what it does in every other case--immediately send the child back to its homeland as soon as possible. The INS usually keeps illegal immigrant children in its own custody and has humane facilities to treat and care for children during the several days it may take to arrange to send them home. Instead, the INS released Elian into the custody of his distant Miami relatives. The man behind this unusual INS move--Jose Basulto. The INS officials behind this decision have not provided an explanation. Basulto now looks back at his visit with Elian with religious fervor. "I've seen 450 cases of these rafters, and I've never seen one like this," said Basulto. "Two days with his feet dangling in the water and no fish bites? No scratches? Nothing? There's no other explanation: This was an act of God." Soon Basulto and other members of the Little Havana community began to call Elian "El Milagro"--the miracle. Basulto circulated the story that a school of dolphins nudged Elian to safety while angels scared off sharks. Recently Basulto, whose pilot license was revoked by the FAA, after he and his fellow pilots were shot down by Cuba, stated he is preparing a more effective strike against Fidel Castro from within Cuba, "We are preparing plans to work with people inside the island." 2. BASULTO SET UP THE OPERATION TO PASS THE HELMS-BURTON ACT. On February 24, 1996, the US Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, raged at a "barbaric killing" by an "uncivilized" country, of four US citizens on a "humanitarian mission." Cuba had shot down two planes belonging to the Brothers to the Rescue. Four pilots died. A third plane, piloted by Basulto narrowly escaped. (At the time of the shoot down, Basulto's plane never entered Cuban airspace; he just urged his Brothers to do so.) The Brothers were shot down in international waters. Basulto said they "had not been warned." At that time, the Helms-Burton legislation was stalled. Clinton would not back the bill. However, Basulto stirred the wave of anti-Castro hysteria in Miami. The US forced a resolution through the UN deploring Cuba's role in the incident. On March 5, 1996, the US Senate voted 74 to 22 in favor of a final compromise version of legislation tightening the US embargo on Cuba, punishing other countries that trade with Cuba and allowing Cuban exiles in the US to sue to recover their property from Cuba. On March 6, 1996, US House of Representatives passed the package, known as the Helms-Burton bill. In reaction to these forces, Clinton announced he would sign the Helms-Burton Act. Several weeks later, evidence was obtained that the "Brothers" were not on a humanitarian mission of pulling refugees out of the ocean. Instead they intended to drop anti-government leaflets over Havana during Carnival celebrations. Twice, in January 1996, they had carried out similar missions and in the previous 18 months had illegally entered Cuban airspace 14 times. Cuba had warned the US that it would stop the Brothers' flights if nothing was done to curtail them. The US only told the Brothers, it would not "be able to interfere" and suggested they not fly below the 24th parallel. The US had advance knowledge of the Brothers' activities. A Cuban agent, Juan Pablo Roque, had infiltrated the Brothers and was an FBI informant. The FAA which requires pilots keep to a predetermined flight path or lose their li cense, looked the other way. (Eventually, the FAA did revoke Basulto's pilot's license.) The Brothers to the Rescue was organized by the Cuban American National Foundation in 1991. CANF was the prime sponsor of the Helms-Burton Act, which Clinton opposed until Cuba shot the planes down and four Brothers died. 3. THE HELMS BURTON PROPERTY GRAB! STILL ON ICE! BUT BARELY AS MIAMI HEATS UP DURING A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR! The Helms Burton Act provides that foreign businessmen and their families will be denied US visas if they trade with Cuba. Countries will be denied US aid for trading with Cuba and international aid agencies will be pressured into not donating or lending money by the threat of having their US contribution cut off. But the major portion of the Act is Title III which provides that the Cuban exiles can sue in US courts TO GET BACK THEIR PROPERTY THAT CASTRO TOOK AWAY FROM THEM WHEN CASTRO
[CTRL] HARD TO SAY ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT D. LOWELL JENSEN.
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.newsmakingnews.com/"NewsMakingNews Secret Connections Covert Operat /A - HARD TO SAY ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT D. LOWELL JENSEN. complied by Kathryn Dixon © 2000 Contents: Click to October Surprise corruption. Click to INSLAW corruption. Click to false CIA affidavit in Edwin Wilson trial. Click to "heads-up" to protect Ollie North during Iran Contra. D. LOWELL JENSEN'S ORDER WHICH COVERED UP CYRUS HASHEMI'S ARMS SMUGGLING AND HIS ROLE IN THE OCTOBER SURPRISE. D. Lowell Jensen ordered the U.S. Attorney in New York to alert Hashemi's lawyer so that he avoided eminent arrest for arms smuggling. Cyrus Hashemi was allegedly a witness to two meetings in Madrid between William Casey and Iranian representatives when the October Surprise was arranged. 1. The background of the Madrid Meetings which made Cyrus Hashemi an important witness: Source: In Trick or Treason, author Robert Parry reports what Jamshid Hashemi told him about his brother Cyrus Hashemi's' meeting in Madrid regarding the October Surprise: "But the Hasehmi brothers' dual sets of U.S. contacts--one the Carter administration and the other the Republicans--began to cross in march 1980. while staying at Washington's stately Mayflower Hotel, Jamshid said he was surprised by an unannounced visitor at this room: Roy Furmark knocked on the door. With Furmark, Jamshid claimed, was a tall, hunched man who spoke with a slurred New York accent. he was introduced as William Casey. By March 1980, Casey was director of Ronald Reagan's campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. "Casey wanted to discuss political matters," Jamshid told us over the clicking of luncheon plates. "I cut him short. I said, `I don't know who you are.' I called Cyrus and told him there was this gentleman here. Cyrus talked to Mr. Casey." Jamshid said he thought little about the Mayflower encounter until the summer. But in July, Cyrus confided to him that the relationship had taken another turn. "Cyrus asked me to bring Ayatollah Mechi Karrubi out of Iran for a meeting in Spain," Jamshid said. The brothers had known Karrubi , a hard-line revolutionary mullah, and his brother, Hassan, in pre-revolutionary Iran, Jamshid said. To bring Mehdi Karrubi out, Jamshid said he arranged for the radical mullah to travel to Madrid. The Spanish capital was a favorite for the Iranians because no visas were required. "The meeting took place at a hotel--the Ritz Hotel--at the end of July, "Jamshid said, claiming matter of factly that on the American side were William Casey and an active-duty CIA officer, Donald Gregg. On the Iranian side, Karrubi came dressed in a turban and cloak, the traditional attire of an Islamic mullah. Jamshid and Cyrus attended to help with interpreting. But Jamshid expressed surprise that Casey was there. "I remember saying, `What the hell are you doing with Republicans?'" Jamshid told Ross and me. "My brother said the chance of Republicans getting to power was good and it as important to work with both sides." Jamshid was sketchy about the dialogue at the meeting. He claims the session began at about 11:00 and ended by late afternoon, with time out for sandwiches brought into the room for lunch. But Jamshid said that when Casey put his cards on the table, his desire was clear. "The proposal was to hold the hostages until after the election, and then the Reagan administration would feel favorably towards Iran and release the FMS [foreign military sales] funds and the frozen assets and return to Iran what had already been purchased." The already purchased supplies referred to $150 million in military hardware and spare parts bought by the shah from the United States but held back when Khomeini took power and the hostages were seized. Casey's offer also included F-14 spare parts, which were crucial to the maintenance of Iran's high-tech air force, Jamshid said. As I scribbled in my notebook, which was perched at the edge of the dining table, Jamshid continued his story. He spoke deliberately, sometimes with hesitation. Occasionally he stopped in the midst of a detail to take a bit of food or answer the chirping of his cellular phone. Then he resumed the tale. After the July meeting with Casey, Jamshid said, Karrubi returned to Tehran, where he consulted with Khomeini and the ayatollah's senior advisers. Two to three weeks later, Karrubi called and asked Jamshid for a second meeting. New arrangements were made, and that meeting, too, was held in Madrid at the Ritz. Casey and Gregg again represented the American side, and Karrubi was back for the Iranians. Jamshid said that throughout the two rounds, "Casey was running things," but Gregg "was giving information that Casey didn't know or even we didn't know about, really inside-government information, like where the spare parts were." At this second round, Karubbi again came dressed in full battle gear as an Iranian mullah. He "confirmed" Kohmeini's agreement
[CTRL] ON THE DOCK OF THE BAY Watching dirty deals float away
from: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/dock.htm Click Here: A HREF="http://www.newsmakingnews.com/dock.htm"ON THE DOCK OF THE BAY Watching dirty deals flo /A - ON THE DOCK OF THE BAY Watching dirty deals float away From the home of the Meese/Jensen team, a pro-fascist secret counter intelligence cell aka the Alameda County Mafia, operators of local to international surprises for fun and profit. THAT OLD ALAMEDA COUNTY MAFIA STYLE! EDWIN MEESE, III HOLDS BACK ONE-HALF MILLION DOLLARS, AS TRUSTEE OF THE RONALD REAGAN CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE FUND! HELLO, EDWIN MEESE, III! REAGAN IS NOT GOING TO RUN FOR OFFICE AGAIN, OWES NO DEBTS, AND DOESNT EVEN KNOW YOURE HOLDING THE MONEY! FOR WHOM, WAS MEESE REA LLY HOLDING THIS BAG? Former Attorney General Edwin Meese III admitted on 1/29/00 that the Ronald Reagan presidential committee continues to operate with a fund of approximately $500,000 in the bank. Meese is a trustee of the Reagan campaign committee, which conducts no activity except to pay Bay Buchanan, its treasurer, annual consultant fees and expenses. ($45,715.00 was paid to Buchanan through the 90's.) Bay Buchanan is the sister of presidential candidate Pat Buchanan and manages his campaign. Reagans family didnt know about the fund and committees operation until the Associated Press brought it to their attention. Reagans chief of staff, Joanne Drake stated that the Reagans want the money to go to the Reagan Library. Reagan hasnt run for office since 1984 and is totally disabled by Alzheimers disease. Since 1984 the funds have been sitting in the bank collecting interest except for the payments of several thousands of dollars per year to Bay Buchanan. Meese said the campaign committee trustees decided to put the money in long-term investments until they could decide where leftover funds should go. ``The money was invested pending a decision on what to do with it,'' Meese said. According to AP reporter, Jonathan D. Salant, Meese also said the balance would be liquidated when the committee could redeem the long-term, higher-interest notes that the money is invested in. "At some point it will go to the Reagan library." The George Bush Campaign committees of 1988 and 1992 are closed. The Clinton campaign committee of 1992, the Dukakis committee of 1988 and the Mondale committee of 1984 are also closed. Keeping a campaign committee open this long is unprecedented unless the campaign must still raise money to pay off debts. The Reagan campaign owes no debts. Between Jan. 1, 1997, and Sept. 30, 1999, the Reagan committee received $42,180 in dividends and interest. The committee paid out $31,942, with $17,766, or 56 percent, going to Bay Buchanan. Most of the remainder was paid to the IRS. Federal law allow the committees to give the money to other federal candidates or political action committees, refund it to contributors or donate it to charitable or educational institutions. Reagans 1980 presidential committee donated funds remaining after the campaign to Republican candidates and Reagans political action committee, Citizens for the Republic. NEWSMAKINGNEWS asks, "Edwin Meese, III, why are you holding a half-million back? Dont you care about the Reagan Library? Why didnt you inform Reagans family about the fund? OR, DO YOU, EDWIN MEESE III, HAVE A CANDIDATE IN MIND, TO WHOM YOU WANT TO GIVE THE MONEY? COULD THAT BE PAT BUCHANAN, YOUR TREASURERS BROTHER? IF NOT, DID YOU HAVE SOME OTHER SNEAKY OCTOBER SURPRISE IN MIND? D. LOWELL JENSEN FACES CHARGES OF MISREPRESENTATION! D. Lowell Jensen, former Alameda County D.A. and sidekick to Ed Meese III, former Deputy Attorney General, under Reagan, now sits as Judge at the U.S. District Court, Northern District, Oakland. Hardly a deal happens in Alameda County, without Jensen's "touch". Now, Jensen, having narrowly escaped indictment in the INSLAW affair, faces charges of misrepresentation, as Deputy Attorney General, to the Court, in order to obtain a conviction. Is Jensen, really untouchable this time? "And in hearings last March before US District Court Judge Lynn Hughes, the Justice Department=s Arlene Reidy, who is helping coordinate the government=s response to Wilson=s motion, acknowledged, `We have a lot of documents already that I think show that there was a clear problem with the affidavit=s accuracy and that the individual=s involved were well aware of that problem.'"[One "individual involved" -- Judge Jensen.] CLICK-EVENSPOOKSHAVE RIGHTS Did the U.S. put Away Notorious Arms Trader Ed Wilson With False Testimony? By Ken Silverstein ©1999 The Nation, October 4, 1999. D. LOWELL JENSEN ESCAPED LIABILITY IN THE INSLAW/PROMISE THEFT CASE. IS INSLAW BURIED DEEP ENOUGH? "Based on the available evidence, the missing piece appears to be D. Lowell Jensen,
[CTRL] Fatbrain.com - Product Info for New (reptilian) World Order
from: http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=EB3941 Click Here: A HREF="http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=EB3941"F atbrain.com - Product Info for New (reptilian) /A - Other Links Tell a friend Return to previous page New (reptilian) World Order By Uri Dowbenko Online Price: $4.95 eMatter (PDF) 16 Pages Published by Author Date Published: 11/1999 Product#: EB3941 Summary WHAT IF Planet Earth was ostensibly run by a race of shape-shifting reptilians? Believe it or not, this outre' political-science-fiction scenario has become a focus of historical researchers as well as spiritual visionaries. In fact, the resonance of corroborating evidence from science and metaphysics has a synchronicity that is nothing but astonishing. Serpents and flying dragons have, of course, been a staple of ancient myth and legends of indigenous people around the world. The assumption has always been, however, that they are just metaphor or simple allegory -- and not a literal description of actual beings. But what about the admonition of Jesus and John the Baptist when they chided the "generation of vipers" and "serpents" in their midst? What if they saw these creatures with their spiritual vision -- the overshadowing of humans by astral beings from another dimension? How would they communicate this vision to others? And what about the stories from the Book of Enoch and the Forbidden Books of the Bible which refer to the Nephilim -- literally "Those Who Were Cast Down" -- and the Watchers, the Fallen Angels? "New (Reptilian) World Order" is an historical and spiritual exploration of the strange history of Planet Earth. CONTENTS: Sumeria: The Cradle -- Or Test Tube -- of Civilization; Tracks of the Nephilim and the Watchers;Invasion of the Serpent People ; Before the Flood ; What Was the "Serpent" of Eden? ; Why Cain Killed Abel ; The Serpent Gods ; Reptilians Among Us? ; Incarnation of the Lizard People ; The Rape of the Annunaki ; The Satanic Ritual Abuse -- Mind Control Connection ; The Metaphysics of Fallen Angels ; Gods, Gods and More Gods ; Breaking the Spell. Note: eMatter is viewable in secure PDF format on Windows 95/98/NT 4.0 (and 2000). Mac and UNIX/Linux versions coming soon. Security/Privacy Guarantee Shipping OptionsAbout Us Keep Me Posted Fatbrain MerchandiseCorporate Discounts Our Partners Affiliate Program Retail Locations Events Home | Search | Subjects | New Titles Bestsellers | Recommended | Training Certification | What's Hot Shopping Basket | Your Account | Help Desk Suggestions? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Customer Service: (Toll-free) 800-789-8590 or 408-845-0402 Copyright © 1996 - 2000 Fatbrain.com, Inc. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] IRS Hits 3 out of 4 Clinton Sex Assault Accusers
In a message dated 05/30/2000 1:06:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paula Jones alleged that Clinton exposed himself to her in a Little Rock hotel room in 1991. But she also claimed that the then-Arkansas governor stroked her hair, tried to kiss her against her will and, finally, attempted to grope her crotch. Jones went into more detail than she ever had before in a fall 1997 filing with Judge Susan Webber Wright's court. It was in that document that Jones detailed Clinton's attempt to slide his hand under her culottes, "moving it towards her pubic area." All the while, Jones said she believed, an armed state trooper stood outside the door ready to prevent her escape. Under Arkansas state law, that qualifies as sexual assault Paula's memory is getting better and better. Doesn't seem to be any reason why she should fear an IRS audit. If you don't cheat on your taxes, what's the problem? I've had only one friend who got audited, and he was given money back. Seems he had moved to another state and claimed less tax on something or other than he had actually paid. In Paula's case, it's probably the sudden, sharp rise in income. How many of us can afford a condo in California, a Mercedes, and a face lift? She didn't do that on her Government salary. I've worked for the Government, and anybody who managed all that in such a short time should have been investigated. The CIA doesn't know that, or they would never have let the Aldrich Ames espionage continue so long, but any down-to-earth Government employee who is actually interested in the welfare of his or her country, would know that an investigation was in order--tax wise is cheapest. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ancient Cities Reported Found Under Sea Off Egypt
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Ancient Cities Reported Found Under Sea Off Egypt Reuters Photo By Reim Bashir ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (Reuters) - Archaeologists on Saturday showed off relics retrieved from the nearly complete ruins of ancient cities they said they had discovered on the seabed off the Egyptian coast. The joint French and Egyptian team said the cities of Menouthif and Herakleion, submerged more than 1,000 years ago, lay in 15-30 feet of water about 3.75 miles off the Mediterranean city of Alexandria. ``We are very excited because we are used to finding the remains of a tomb, a church or a mosque, but this time we are finding complete cities -- cities that were heard about from the classical writings,'' said Gaballah Ali Gaballah, head of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities. ``Most probably they disappeared because of seismic causes,'' said Franck Goddio, head of the Paris-based European Institute of Marine Archaeology. A rise in the Mediterranean sea level and sudden submersion caused by earthquake, or climate changes, could explain the annihilation of the cities, he said. Speak your mind Discuss this story with other people. [Start a Conversation] (Requires Yahoo! Messenger) The cities were legendary in antiquity for their wealth and arts as well as their many temples dedicated to the gods Serapis, Isis and Osiris. An intricately carved five-foot-tall black granite statue of Isis was shown to the media after being raised from the seabed. ``To me she looks 17 years old but in reality she is probably around 1,200 years old,'' Goddio said. Gaballah said researchers were aware of the existence of the ancient cities but could not pinpoint their exact location. ``Thanks to modern technology and the efforts of the Egyptian-French team, we could pinpoint cities that were read about in Greco-Roman literature,'' he told Reuters. Also discovered during two years of undersea exploration were the head of a pharaonic statue of a sphinx, jewelry and gold coins dating from the Byzantine and Islamic eras. Reuters Photo The archaeologists said the coins showed the region had not been submerged until the eighth century, although the cities had been founded many hundreds of years earlier. The archaeologists said they had also identified two other submerged cities in the same area, Canopus and Thonis, but had not yet retrieved relics from them. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! ** *** A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies! A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America! Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America! Don't waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan! Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey... Patrick Buchanan A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The (Ottoman) Empire Strikes Back
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: If there is an Islamic revolution and clerics rule, they will rule by religious law. That's a very big "if," especially in Turkey. It was the Muslim, not Arab world which sent money, arms and men to help their coreligiopnists in Yugoslavia. Also a Non-Arab country. The "Muslim world" did not send money, arms, and men to Yugoslavia. Certain Muslim governments and organizations sent moneymoney, arms and men to Yugoslavia. So did certain non Muslim governments and organizations, including the US and NATO. The vast overwhelming majority of Muslims had nothing to do with it. I don't like Muslim fundamentalism, either, or any other fundamentalism for that matter. But let's keep it's influence in a realistic perspective. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Clinton's 'Moment of Remembrance'
In a message dated 05/30/2000 2:16:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think the men who died fighting for this country's freedom in the last 200 years would appreciate Bill Clinton even being involved in ceremonies in their behalf? Do you think the survivors of those men would appreciate the fact that they no longer have even one full national day of remembrance for their loved ones and the sacrifice they made, but only a moment? Do you think it would be possible to ask any less of Americans on behalf of these brave men than mere "remembrance"? Notice he didn't ask for a day of tribute. He didn't ask for a day of prayer. He didn't ask for an hour of remembrance. He didn't even ask for a moment of silence. Just a moment of remembrance. Well, maybe those men would appreciate anyone taking any time at all to remember them. Still, traditionally, Memorial Day was not a day that was set aside for remembering military men. It was a day of remembering all of one's dead and going to the cemetery to clean and decorate the graves. Our military got their notice, but only as a part of all those we loved who had departed. My husband took an oath to protect the president. It was not specific. He didn't have to like him, believe in him, or vote for him. The "president" doesn't have a name. He is the "president." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
I think we can safely say that American abductions could sometimes be the military because they sometimes pretend they are aliens by using virtual reality scenarios. Agreed. But why are they doing this? They must have a plan. The military doesn't take a dump without a having a plan first. What's their plan here? How do the rest of us fit into it? What are they trying to accomplish? Who's in command of the operation? But the American govt did build about 50 bases for the greys which was done by Rand Corp. I'll find the info. 'Info"? Do you once again mean somebody else's unsubstantiated allegations? Please, we've had quite enough of those. Let's see some forensic evidence. Abductees in US have gone underground to both grey and military bases.. This is an unsubstantiated allegation. According to Branton, there are even more greys under Los Alamos than even under Dulce, a major nesting area going back to native American times. Who is this guy and how does he sunstantiate his allegations? He has heard of By definition, this is hearsay. Also setting off nuclear blasts burns away the membrane between this dimension and the next which would allow any interdimensional entities easy access to our dimension. Define "dimension." Define "membrane." Define "entities." There is apparently more Ets seen in Nevada than some other places possibly due to the nuclear bombs. There are, in fact, a great many UFO sightings in Nevada. There are also a great many military tests of experimental aircraft. Coincidence? Perhaps. Other people in other countries have been abducted and people have seen them rising bodily into the air and going into space ships. In October of 1967 I personally saw the Pentagon levitate about fifty feet in the air exactly like Abbie Hoffman said it would. I also had just been tear gassed and beaten severely with clubs by the federal marshalls. Coincidence? Perhaps. In Mexico there is a video of about 60 UFOs appearing in the sky at once when there was big crowd. Many hundreds saw them and videotaped them. That doesn't make them ET. Others in US have seen their partner sliding out of the window from their bed and rising into the air out into the sky. I saw both my partner and myself dissolve into a puddle of Day-Glo goo. We were tripping our brains out on acid. Coincidence? Perhaps. There was story about the UN Sec, prev to this one in his car watching a woman float out of her highrise apartment in NY and into a spaceship. This story is well known. A couple of Govt agents got in touch with the woman and she told them, where she went as she remembered. Key word: "Story" English people seldom get abducted by greys according to a UK UFO mag. Maybe they taste bad. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WONDER DRUG IS: WEEDKILLER [Roundup Glyphosate]
http://sunsite.sut.ac.jp/pub/academic/environment/pesticide-education/Cancer.Threat.From.Glyphosate http://www.reninet.com/catz/toxicpesticides.htm http://metalab.unc.edu/london/pested/ this shows that Glyphosate is actually a cancer cause ThePiedPiper 04June2000 http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/site_map.htm http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/chem_dex.htm ** Original Subject: RE: WONDER DRUG IS: WEEDKILLER ** Original Sender: ** Original Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 07:29:26 -0500 (CDT) ** Original Message follows... AND THE LATEST WONDER DRUG IS: WEEDKILLER. CANCER by David Brown Sunday Telegraph 2/3/97. The world's biggest selling weedkiller could become a new treatment for cancer and Aids, scientists say. Proctor and gamble of Cincinnati the £22 billion a year American giant, has applied for an international patent for pills, powders and liquid drugs containing the weedkiller Roundup, which is manufactured by a major rival. The weedkiller's main chemical, it claims, is a safer way of knocking out breast cancer cells because it causes less damage to healthy tissue in the human body than existing chemotherapy treatments. It is also effective against lung cancer and cancer of the colon and leukaemia, researchers say. Roundup, which has been nicknamed 'God's herbicide' in the trade because of its reputation for killing weeds and leaving wild birds and mammals unscathed, is also known by its alternative trade name Glyphosate. The weedkiller is made in the Netherlands by Monsanto, a rival American owned international agrochemical and foods conglomerate. It has been used widely by arable farmers in Britain since 1974 and is popular to control weeds on set-aside land because it is regarded as harmless to birds and other wildlife. Roundup is currently the biggest selling agro-chemical in the world with sales totalling more than £620 million a year. Proctor and Gamble, America's 17th largest company, was revealing few details yesterday about its work with Roundup to cure a range of fatal illnesses in people and animals. It would also not be drawn on any plans for a joint venture with Monsanto to develop the weedkiller in a variety of medicines. Executives were at pains to say nothing which would give away trade secrets to its competitors in the cut-throat world of the pharmaceutical industry, where patenting and bringing new products to market can cost millions of pounds a time. Terry Loftus, a spokesman said: 'I am not at liberty to discuss any details for competitive reasons and it's too early to speculate on what these patent applications may mean for the future.' But the company confirmed that it had applied in the US for an international patent for a composition containing the weedkiller 'that is effective in inhibiting the growth of tumours and cancers in mammals with mild or no effects on normal cells'. The application proposes using Roundup in low doses in pills, powders, pessaries or injections to treat 'all types of cancers or neoplasm or tumours found in mammals, including leukaemia'. The patent application includes details of laboratory tests on human breast, lung and colon cancer cells which appear to show that the Roundup preparation was safer and more effective than Adriamycin which is used in cancer treatments. 'The preferred material is the products sold under the name glyphosate or Roundup by Monsanto,' it says. If successful, Roundup will join a list of beneficial medicines which have been derived from unlikely sources. Warfarin, the rat poison, is used to thin the blood of heart patients. Tom McDermott, spokesman at Monsanto's European headquarters in Brussels, said: 'We know about the patent application and I can't say much more than that. 'Roundup is a good product and we are delighted with its track record in the environment since we introduced it. But he warned: 'It is vitally important that people don't go out and start drinking Roundup because they think it will be good for their health. 'We urge people strongly only to use the product for weed control in accordance with the instructions on the label.' The Cancer Research Campaign in London said it was 'intrigued' by the claim but not impressed. At first glance, on the evidence produced by Proctor and Gamble in its patent application, the weedkiller did not promise a new cure. Professor Gordon McVie, director general, said that the limited scientific information available in the application documents appeared to contain contradictions about the effectiveness of the main active chemical in Roundup. 'A similar substance has been tested in the past and was not found to be very effective,' he said. ** - End Original Message --- ** -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start
Re: [CTRL] UN Could Adopt Unbridled selfishness as a Human Right (fwd)
in history with a society has gone from matricarcal or equal ruling by female and male to patriarcal, why? usally it has been a time when food has been scarce and mothers do not like children being abused or used as food. This thing about women having control of their bodies is old. ThePiedPiper 03June2000 MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Subject: Original Sources (19) -UN Could Adopt Unbridled selfishness and Violence as "Human Rights" Date sent: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:17:31 -0600 Original Sources UN Could Adopt Unbridled selfishness and Violence as "Human Rights" Womens Demand for Right to Kill the Unborn Teaches Society Violence Against Others is OK By: Mary Mostert, Analyst, Original Sources (www.originalsources.com) June 2, 2000 The United Nations is preparing a 5 year update on the Beijing Conference for Women, held in 1995 and, according to reports from two participants, the document that will come out of that meeting will be the product of high level secret meetings that have not been open or "transparent" to normal review. The United Nations General Assembly will vote to adopt the document shortly. While President Bill Clinton is basking in the glow of the court decision on Elian Gonzalez, which, he said, " is a case about the importance of family and the bond between a father and son" his appointees at the UN are busy, again, undermining the family at secret UN meetings. This has happened before. During the Habitat II meetings a few years ago, Clinton was telling the media he would sign a "Defense of Marriage" act (and he did) while simultaneously exerting silent, worldwide pressure to force other nations to accept wording that would make homosexual marriage a "human right." Hes at it again in the Beijing +5 meetings currently being held in New York. Susan Roylance, who was at Habitat II and at the Beijing Conference in 1995 is at that meeting. A few days ago she e-mailed me from New York saying: Mary, We are in final negotiations for the Beijing +5 Outcome Document, which will be presented to a General Assembly Special Session on June 9th. The U.S. is still pushing for new "Sexual Rights" and for "Sexual Orientation" wording wherever it can get it (representing any kind of consideration for "sexual orientation" and in at least one instance it specifically mentions lesbians.) They are allowing some NGO speakers before the General Assembly. I have been working very hard to get a pro-family (most especially pro-motherhood) speaker to share the view that some women choose motherhood as their chosen profession (even when they have gained Bachelors and Masters degrees in other professions. I have a daughter-in-law with a Masters in Zoology, a daughter-in-law with a Bachelors in Special Education, and a daughter with a Bachelors in Elementary Education. The first two have married, and one has two children and the other has three children. Both chose motherhood as soon as the children were born. My other daughter, who is not married yet, will do the same -- because they put children as the highest priority. At this Beijing +5 Conference, they are always talking about the "Culture of Peace." What better thing can women do to help create a "culture of peace" than to raise children to be kind and considerate toward others. Mothers do that best! (Because the good mothers have a long-term interest in the child, and 100% time commitment -- even if they do other things in addition to the choice of motherhood.) I asked one of the pro-life "old timers" what it takes to get them to let a pro-family woman to speak. They said it would only happen if enough Senators or Congressmen contacted the U.S. Delegation and requested them to get a "balance" in the presentations -- to also let a pro-family, pro-motherhood, person present their views. Yesterday I received another e-mail from the UN Conference in New York from Austin Ruse, of the Catholic Family Human Rights Institute, in which he wrote: * In its official pronouncements the United Nations insists upon what is termed "transparency" which means all meetings should be open at least to limited public view. The reality at the ongoing Beijing+5 negotiations falls well short of the rhetoric. As days of talks for the new Beijing+5 document grind on, the most important meetings are taking place in secret. * In most UN meetings, officially recognized non-governmental organizations (NGO) have open access, not just to watch but also to assist governmental delegations in the negotiating process. Since NGOs are closed out for now, conservatives say these final days of meetings are more akin to backroom political deals than to the openness of the democratic process. Moreover, no record is made of these proceedings so that the citizens will never know what their governments have proposed. * An additional problem for
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: There Goes the Ozone Layer
I can fill a balloon with dirt and it will fall to the ground too, but I have seen dust (dirt) in the air many times. a cold (hydrogen) balloon will not float cold smoke will not float but wind can pick up either one and carry it. How many bacteria live in those areas and which bacteria has the upper hand if so? ThePiedPiper 03June2000 [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 06/02/2000 11:51:44 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OZONE HOLE OVER ARCTIC SURPRISES RESEARCH TEAM by David Perlman, Science Editor San Francisco Chronicle, May 31, 2000 "The findings are surprising because scientists had expected that the protective ozone layer would recover after ozone-destroying chemicals known as chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs, were banned by international treaty four years ago." __ THIS REPORT IS A LIE! IT IS PURE UNADULTERATED BULLHOCKEY! THIS ISN'T AN OPINION.IT IS A FACT! HERE IS THE TRUTH. CFC gasses (chlorofluorocarbons) are five time heavier than air. If you fill a balloon with CFC gas (Freon), tie off the balloon and then release the balloonIT WILL IMMEDIATELY FALL TO THE GROUND! It does not rise into the air as a balloon filled with helium will do. OK.so what? Soheavy CFC gas molecules do not rise high into the atmosphere and destroy the Ozone Layer which is 12 to 30 miles above the earth's surface. THERE ARE NO CFC GASSES 12 TO 30 MILES UP IN THE SKY! Even if some were intentionally released at high altitude, the CFC gas molecules would sink through the air back down to the earth's surface. Once there, they would find the lowest hole or crack they could sink into and stay there. This is basic laws of physics. CFC molecules are extremely stable. They do not readily break down. Then tend to remain intact. The last "C" in CFC stands for Carbon. Carbon is heavy. Carbon is the main reason that CFC molecules are much heavier than air. The following statement in this newspaper report is true but misleading: "Highly reactive chlorine can destroy ozone molecules on contact..." Correct. Chlorine does destroy ozone. However, the world's oceans naturally release millions of times more chlorine than all of the CFC gasses ever produced! Volcanoes also produce vast amounts of chlorine gas. One large volcano such as Mt. St. Helen's or Mt. Penitubo in the Phillipines, sprew vast amounts of chlorine gas into the air. But the ozone layer has existed for millions of years despite these large quantities of chlorine produced by the oceans and by volcanoes. SO WHY ARE WE BEING LIED TO ABOUT THIS?? WHY ARE FALSE AND MISLEADING NEWS STORIES LIKE THIS ONE BEING PUT OUT IN THE ALLEGED NEWS MEDIA? BECAUSE THE OZONE LAYER IS BEING DISTURBED AND AFFECTED AND A "COVER STORY" WAS NEEDED. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT IS AFFECTING THE OZONE LAYER, YOU SHOULD READ THE BOOK: ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP BY DR. NICK BEGICH. IT'S AVAILABLE FROM AMAZON.COM THE OFFICIAL LITERATURE ABOUT HAARP CLEARLY STATES THAT IT'S PURPOSE IS: "...TO CONTROL THE IONOSPHERE FOR MILITARY PURPOSES". THINK ABOUT THAT! "TO CONTROL THE IONOSPHERE FOR MILITARY PURPOSES" THE OFFICIAL LITERATURE ALSO STATES THAT HAARP HAS A DESIGNED CAPABILITY TO "ALTER THE GAS COMPOSITION OF THE IONOSPHERE" NOW YOU KNOW...THE REST OF THE STORY! Regards to All Nakano A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be.
Re: [CTRL] a spoof
What happens if you invent a something say a mouse trap and since you are in a state (let's say Communist, since they are the only ones that would think of this) this is a cycle that has happened since before the Egyptians, but I will use current examples since they have dusted it off and called it communism to legitimize it. WW1 1. All right I have invented a mouse trap the state owns me so they own the mouse trap and take it to say that it is theirs. 1a. I think of a better mouse trap I have just committed treason against the state by thinking that there can be a better way of doing something then what they have. WW2 2. I have education and show students a reality that they can learn (example biology). I happen to use a map or biology text to allow them something to base their reality on. The students follow me because what I am teaching follows with what they can cite by seeing a pond or by having a fish tank (over 30 gal with fish and living plants) at home. 2a. My biology text is confiscated by the state because they believe that the students will automatically follow who ever has that icon of power. Both of these examples show that those that use this to control do not want any new ideas because they may not be able to control. I also shows that they do not have a firm grasp of reality themselves. WW2 and Iron Curtain (they are SLOW!) 3. Slowly they realize that they are not worshiped for the mouse trap or book. Others have managed to get ahead of them, especially because of the five year plan - or because of promises that were not kept. 3a. Writing their own version of the book or getting a strangle hold of the copyright office, or of the Universities (like the skull and bones is doing at Yale, MIT's Psychology Dept., Baylor's statistical company web site with a communist link) is their answer to this dilemma. -- all these schools probably have good side too, and I can no longer find that statistical company that was with Baylor from 1984 to 1998 or so. They believe that the object is an asset and without it that the other person has nothing to offer. (Darwin - evolution cited) 4. Slowly realizing that even though they have control of religion, all the books, and all Icons of power they do not have control. They get an idea of telling everyone that IQ and health is genetic and that money has to be the Icon of power. 4a. The second generation (example: Bush Sr. and Jr., and many other communist) believe this is what is meant by survival of the fittest. 4b. They advocate an idea that their children should not have to go through what they went through so the kids never face the consequences of their actions. They have the Icons so they are in power, no assets but they can define assets any way they want. (books the show other realities are downed - Old Testament, History text, Civil War Flag, Et, et. reference: http://www.plumbingsupply.com/pmwhitehouse.html "Tapping The White House: The early White House lacked running water. The idea was conceived during the Madison administration before the house burned, but water wasn't actually piped in until the Jackson administration. In 1829 (when Jackson took office), the Committee on Public Buildings had decided not to pipe running water to the White House, opting to concentrate funds on the North Portico. During that period, most hotels and private mansions had indoor plumbing, particularly in the bathrooms and kitchens. Springs, cisterns and wells fed the system." http://www.theplumber.com/usa.html "But by 1845, the installation of sanitary sewers began to pay off with an outlet for waste water, indoor plumbing and working water closets were getting closer to fruition. Unfortunately, bad plumbing and the stench from open sewer connections made some new homes uninhabitable." 5. The civil war (1861-1865) was because there were too many people in New York (tenement housing - 4 or more to a room, sink in the hall, Outhouses were still the rule for tenement housing) because indoor plumbing and sewer lines were not were not a true reality and sanitation was lousy. Many immigrant were not robust enough to consider the trip to western lands even if they had the money. They saw the South as a place to dump these northern people and that the Southern states should just carve themselves up to accommodate these ideas. Lincoln defined it as a "nation divided". New York and the government had goofed and wanted every one else to pay the price. Bard wrote: Webster's definition of 'a spoof': "a light-hearted imitation of someone or something: lampoon or parody." uugh!! Ready? Here we go: Here is my Profile of a Hillary Voter: 1. a
Re: [CTRL] TOO CORRUPT TO BE AN ARKANSAS LAWYER
In a message dated 05/31/2000 9:03:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most winning on the crucial everybody-does-it point was F. Lee Bailey, who claimed on CNN's "Larry King Live" that if "all the lawyers who have lied about the fact they had a little affair on the side should turn in their licenses" then "Shakespeare will have won. We will have killed all the lawyers." I wondered how his wife was enjoying that part of the show. You're absolutely right. In honor of wives, all husbands (lawyers in particular and I'm remembering that when I was nineteen, I had a short struggle with mine (lawyer that is) should lie and insist only those "other guys" ever would do such a thing. That will make all the wives feel a lot better. I'd like to stretch it even further. I want every guy who ever made an unsolicited pass at a woman or who cheated on his wife to drop dead. That should give us a lot of breathing space on this planet. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Satan Works For Moon Now!
In a message dated 6/4/00 9:25:53 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where exactly IS Rosemary's baby? It's in the apartment next door! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Satan Works For Moon Now!
In a message dated 6/4/00 12:08:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where exactly IS Rosemary's baby? It's in the apartment next door! *** I beg to differ. The child resides in my best friends co-op. I believe it has the Condo next door to Alistier Crowly and across from Admen. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
In a message dated 6/4/00 11:33:25 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think we can safely say that American abductions could sometimes be the military because they sometimes pretend they are aliens by using virtual reality scenarios. Agreed. But why are they doing this? They must have a plan. The military doesn't take a dump without a having a plan first. What's their plan here? How do the rest of us fit into it? What are they trying to accomplish? Who's in command of the operation? I think they use more than virtual reality to convince people, if by saying virtual reality you mean that the experience is a head-set experience rather than a real physical abduction. The only reason I can think of that the military would do this would be to create fear around the "alien" issue. I'd like to know what other ideas anyone else might have. If it is to create fear, then why? I can only think of two possible reasons; 1) to lead the public to think the govt is working with evil aliens to further the sense of fear, intimidation and powerlessness people already have regarding the govt., or 2) there really are "aliens" and the govt wants us to believe they're evil so that they don't lose their grip on us. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Spain Ruling Party Member Killed
http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000604/09/int-spain-politician-shot Spain Ruling Party Member Killed Updated 9:13 AM ET June 4, 2000 MADRID, Spain (AP) - A member of Spain's ruling party was shot and killed in the Basque region Sunday, according to broadcast reports. No one immediately claimed responsibility for the shooting, but local media and politicians blamed the armed separatist group ETA, which has killed nearly 800 people since 1968 in its campaign for Basque independence from Spain. Jesus Maria Pedrosa, 57, who had reportedly received death threats recently, was shot with one bullet in the head. He was a member of the Popular Party and an alderman in the town of Durango in the northern Basque province of Vizcaya. Residents in the area heard one bullet, followed by a scream, according to national television TVE. One resident said he ran into the street to see a young man fleeing. An hour after the shooting, Pedrosa's body lay covered in a sheet in a small Durango street as police combed the area. Politicians nationwide repeated condemnations of ETA. "I am at a loss for words to express my fury," said Maximo Dia Cano, spokesman for the opposition Socialist Party. "This has to end. The murderers must see that we are united." -- Kathleen If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they donÆt have to worry about the answers. Thomas Pynchon, GravityÆs Rainbow A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
In a message dated 6/4/00 12:27:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it is to create fear, then why? I can only think of two possible reasons; 1) to lead the public to think the govt is working with evil aliens to further the sense of fear, intimidation and powerlessness people already have regarding the govt., or 2) there really are "aliens" and the govt wants us to believe they're evil so that they don't lose their grip on us. I will posture another scenario the great Hoax of all time. How to achieve One World Government and total domination of the people by the New World Order? Easy: Create an Alien threat so dangerous that we are all glad to surrender our sovereignty we will be happy to surrender or Constitutional rights to combat the ET Menace. Watch and wait ET one day will manifest themselves by the thousands in our skies. Carl Looking for Gort and Klatu Hoping they do not Bradda Nicto A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] stray kittens puppies fatal victims of L.A.'s DNC Convention of Pinkos
Saturday, June 3, 2000 Riordan denies stray roundup linked to DNC By Jason Kandel and Rick Orlov, Staff Writers Comments by the head of Los Angeles' Animal Services Department that the city was stepping up efforts to round up and euthanize more stray dogs for the Democratic National Convention triggered an angry denial Friday from Mayor Richard Riordan. In Friday's editions, the Daily News had quoted department General Manager Dan Knapp as saying the crackdown was needed because of overcrowding at shelters. "Point A, and the catalyst for this change, is the Democratic National Convention. Point B is the City Council ... emphasizing getting these stray dogs off the streets to make the streets safe," he said. In a meeting Tuesday night with rescue workers, shelter volunteers and animal rights activists, Knapp made the same point, linking the need to euthanize more dogs at least in part to the convention, according to several people who attended. But in a letter to Riordan on Friday after a furor erupted, Knapp apologized "for any confusion or embarrassment" he might have caused. He said there was "no nexus" between the convention and the roundup and euthanization of more stray dogs. Riordan issued a statement acknowledging that shelters are overcrowded and enforcement was being stepped up but he denied any link to the convention. "The idea that we are euthanizing stray kittens and puppies to clear the streets in preparation for the Democratic National Convention is not only outrageous, but it's inaccurate, wrong and must be corrected for the record," the mayor's statement read. "Simply put, in no way have we ordered the additional roundups of stray animals. We are making every effort to decrease the department's euthanasia rate and increasing animal adoptions." The Daily News did not report that more kittens were being euthanized and has no information that Knapp made such a comment. Riordan noted the city has increased spending on animal control in the past two years to deal with the overpopulation problem, including doubling the department's budget to more than $12 million and adding 75 new positions. Councilwoman Cindy Miscikowski, who chairs the council's Public Safety Committee overseeing the Animal Services Department, said the increase in the euthanasia rate was expected because of the overcrowded conditions in animal shelters. With the new city budget taking effect July 1 and the convention scheduled for mid-August, there was an understandable confusion in linking the euthanasia increase with the event, she said. "We all knew this was going to happen," Miscikowski said. "It's a coincidence of the two things coming around the same time." Miscikowski has proposed a $140 million bond measure for the November ballot to build five more kennels. Knapp had warned of the overpopulation problems during budget hearings this year, saying overcrowding at animal shelters was a danger both to the animals and workers. The city has adopted an aggressive spay and neutering program for pets to try to reduce the number of stray animals that roam city streets and also has an outreach program to increase the numbers that are adopted. Gretchen Wyler of the Ark Trust said she is not happy to see the increasing euthanasia rates, but considers it part of the problem the city faces. "It's the curse of any big city," Wyler said. "We're a throwaway society and people don't take spay and neutering seriously enough. We just don't have enough room for all of the animals." According to people who attended the Tuesday night meeting with Knapp, he brought up the Democratic convention as a cause of the crackdown. "He said that in response to the Democratic National Convention coming to town in August, that the sweeps were going to start again," said Teri Austin, president of the Amanda Foundation, a group that rescues dogs and cats from city animal shelters. "I was very surprised to hear this statement from Dan, because traditionally, he would have come up with more humane solutions to the problem." Carol Ellis, an animal welfare activist, attended the meeting and agreed that Knapp cited the convention as the impetus for the sweep. "The mayor and the City Council have made it clear that we want to present the best face for the city for these delegates," Ellis said. "The bottom line, it was a big coup to get awarded this convention. Let's face it, where the Staples Center area is there's a larger problem than in other areas." Michael Bell, another animal welfare activist, was also at the meeting Tuesday. "Mr. Knapp said the department was given orders that they were to do a sweep prior to the Democratic National Convention. He said the city will be busy and impacted with traffic. Mr. Knapp said that he's got to follow orders. "I'm very much opposed to the sweep. I'm very much on Dan's side. I just think the department has been put in a bad
Re: [CTRL] Conspiring Toward a Multi-Poley World
Aleisha Saba wrote: Mr. Poley: I see you are Ph.D. What do you think of this speed of light being broken, like sound barrier which produced really nothing but big booms in the sky and fast planes going no where. So, speed of light; does this mean Beam Me Up Scottie is here and someday we will travel to Venus on a beam from the sun or moon? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy Dear A. Saba, In Poley's case PHD stands for Phoney Horse Doctor. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Problem With Missile Defense
A Shot in the Dark The plan to kill hostile weapons in space is complicated and costlyâand may not work By John Barry and Evan Thomas Newsweek, June 12, 2000 It was classic Bill Clinton, the statesman as salesman. As he toured the capitals of Europe last week on his way to a Moscow summit, he smoothly tried to sell America's allies on the concept of a national missile defense. With the cold war over, Clinton argued, the biggest nuclear threat comes from "rogue states" like North Korea or Iraq that might be tempted to lob a nuclear warhead, orâmore likelyâuse their missiles as chips in a game of blackmail. The United States not only has the technology to stop such a threat; the world's most magnanimous superpower is willing to share its know-how with "other civilized nations," said Clinton. To fail to do so would be "unethical," the president declared. His hosts listened warily. "We have to be very careful that any such project does not retrigger... a renewed arms race," warned German Chancellor Gerhard Schroder. The reception in Moscow over the weekend was expected to be even chillier. The Russians are fearful that Washington will junk the 28-year-old antiballistic-missile treaty that bans America and Russia from erecting national missile defenses. The Russians can't afford to rebuild their aging ICBM arsenal to be able to overcome a missile shield in the West. Clinton will try to convince Russia's new president, Vladimir Putin, that the Kremlin should join Washington in creating a new, safer logic of nuclear deterrence, one based on strong defenses rather than the promise of MADâmutual-assured destruction. Most Americans thought that arms-control talks ended with the cold war and that Star Wars, a missileproof umbrella over the United States, was a fantasy of Ronald Reagan's. But the worldwide debate over NMD raises a host of difficult questions about nuclear security in a volatile world in which terrorists can obtain weapons of mass destruction. In the presidential race, Al Gore and George W. Bush will battle over who has the better plan. The first question, somewhat overlooked last week in the diplomatic sparring, is pretty basic: will the NMD currently planned by the United States actually work? At least one knowledgeable expert has some serious doubts. From his cluttered office overlooking the MIT campus, Prof. Ted Postol watched Clinton's pitch for NMD with disbelief. "I don't know what the president thinksâor if he thinksâabout missile defenses. My guess is that he's just repeating what he's told by his staff. And they don't want to acknowledge that the whole thing is a fraud." Strong words, but Postol's credentials give him credibility. As scientific adviser to the chief of naval operations in the early '80s, he helped develop the Trident-2 missile. After the gulf war, he singlehandedly demolished the Pentagon's exaggerated claims for the success rate of the Patriot antimissile system against Iraqi Scuds. Now the MIT physicist has closely studied the military's own tests of NMD. His conclusion: "This system has no chance of working." Pentagon spokesmen rejected Postol's critique, insisting that NMD's capabilities will steadily grow after deploymentâinitially, 25 missile interceptors, based in Alaska, at a cost of $30 billionâbegins in five years or so. (Clinton still has to give the go-ahead, probably this fall.) But the story of how Postol arrived at his gloomy assessment is troubling. Charges of government lying and cover-up are beginning to surface. At the very least, it appears that the hopes for an NMD are somewhat unrealistic and that the rush to build one has been driven more by politics than technology. The dream of a Star Wars dome collapsed with the Soviet Union, but the idea of missile defense never went away. The military services all continued to work on programs to protect against missile attacks on the battlefield. By the mid-'90s, Republicans were agitating for a missile defense that would guard American cities against accidental launches or attacks by rogue nations. In the 1996 election, Bill Clinton cleverly trumped GOP candidate Bob Dole by promising a limited, ground-based missile defense. The pressure was on the Pentagon to come up with a system that could be deployed reasonably quickly. Missile defenseâhitting a bullet with a bulletâis hard enough. It is made much more difficult by the use of decoys, which are relatively cheap and easy to disperse from an ICBM. In 1995, the defense contractor TRW was one of the competitors to design a sensor that would enable a missile interceptor to distinguish decoys from the actual warhead. A year later, in 1996, a TRW scientist, Nira Schwartz, argued that her company's system was hopelessly flawed. Fired by TRW for insubordination, she has sued under a law that protects government "whistle-blowers." (TRW denies all allegations by Schwartz.) The litigation revealed information on missile-defense testing that
[CTRL] Britain's UFO secrets revealed
Britain's UFO secrets revealed Scientist's pressure for information opens up hidden government files on strange sightings in the sky government files Freedom of information: special report Antony Barnett, Public Affairs Editor Sunday June 4, 2000 On 15 February 1999 an air traffic controller in Scotland noticed something strange on his radar screen. A bright blip on his screen suggested there was a very large object travelling at 3,000mph over the Scottish coastline heading south-west to Belfast. The size of the blip suggested the object was 10 miles long and two miles wide. Two minutes later the object disappeared from the radar screen. Three months earlier, MoD documents record that a commercial pilot flying over the Midlands reported an unusual object travelling at 'very high speed' with a very bright strobe light flashing once every 20 seconds. Although the two incidents were unrelated, both were reported to a little-known department in the Ministry of Defence, known as Secretariat (Air Staff) 2a. This is the secretive section in Whitehall which collates reports of unidentified flying objects that cross British airspace. Whitehall has traditionally treated reports of UFO sightings as highly classified and only released information to the public after 30 years. But the parliamentary Ombudsman insisted that the MoD hand this information to Colin Ridyard, a research chemist from Wales. Dr Ridyard had been seeking information relating to UFO sightings by pilots or radar operators between July 1998 and July 1999. Initially the MoD refused on the ground it would be too expensive. But after the intervention of the ombudsman, Michael Buckley, the MoD agreed to release the information as a one-off exercise for £75. The Ministry handed two reports to Ridyard, yet official information from the Civil Aviation Authority suggests there had been additional sightings. During the same period the CAA said it reported two more UFO sightings to the MoD, neither of which the Ministry disclosed. According to official CAA reports, in the same month that a radar picked up an enormous object flying across Scotland, a pilot flying over the North Sea became startled when his aircraft became illuminated by an 'incandescent' light. Three other aircraft in the area reported seeing a ball of light moving at high speed. Air traffic controllers reported there were no strange aircraft in the area, but five minutes later an operator at a weather station picked up a fast-moving object on his radar. The other incident which CAA reported to the MoD occurred in June 1999 when the pilot of a B757 flying over the North Sea reported an unidentified military-looking aircraft passing close by in the opposite direction. Nothing was seen on the plane's radar or by air traffic controllers. The MoD told the Authority that there were no military aircraft known to be in that area at the time. Although an MoD spokeswoman would not discuss individual sightings, she said all these events had perfectly normal explanations. 'Some-times radars have spurious readings caused by military aircraft in the vicinity, and radar-jamming facilities and bright lights on the underside of aircraft can be caused by events on the ground.' In a letter to one of Ridyard's local MPs, Defence Minister John Spellar said: 'My department has no interest or role with respect to UFO/flying saucer matters or to the question of the existence or otherwise of extraterrestrial life forms - about which we remain open-minded.' However, declassified gov ernment documents in the Public Records Office from June 1965 reveal that 'it was official MoD policy to play down the subject of unidentified flying objects and to avoid attaching undue public attention or publicity to the subject... as a result we have never had any political pressure to mount a large-scale investigation'. Other documents from that time state: 'The press are never to be given information about unusual radar sightings_ and [unusual visual] sightings are in no circumstances to be disclosed to the press.' But Ridyard said: 'This is not about little green men, but about freedom of information. It is clear there are many strange incidents that happen in the British skies that are kept secret. There may be issues of aircraft safety or natural phenomena, but by keeping this information secret these incidents cannot be scrutinised by the public or the scientific community.' One of the most infamous incidents relating to a UFO sighting in Britain only came to light through US freedom of information legislation. This revealed that in December 1980 three security patrolmen investigating a potential air crash near the US Air Force base in Suffolk saw a strange glowing triangular object hovering in the forest near the base which had a 'pulsing red light on top and blue lights underneath'. An official report by Lieutenant-Colonel Charles Halt , the deputy base commander, included a description of the events and stated
Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
In a message dated 6/4/00 12:38:25 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will posture another scenario the great Hoax of all time. How to achieve One World Government and total domination of the people by the New World Order? Easy: Create an Alien threat so dangerous that we are all glad to surrender our sovereignty we will be happy to surrender or Constitutional rights to combat the ET Menace. Watch and wait ET one day will manifest themselves by the thousands in our skies. Yes, that certainly fits as well. When the government creates this manifestation, do you suspect it will be holographic or physical, i.e., craft created in secret? Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Custodians: Beyond Abduction by Dolores Cannon
For those of you who aren't familiar with Dolores Cannon, she is a hypnotherapist and has written several books based on the content of many subjects' experiences. I really enjoy the books that I've read and personally give them a lot weight. I read her three volumes on "Conversations with Nostradamus" and got a lot out of them. I also read "Jesus and the Essenes" and enjoyed it. For the Nostradamus books, a total of about six subjects went into an altered state (this isn't quite like channelling) and spoke with Nostradamus in his time. I found them fascinating and the books "rang true" to me. She has a new book out which I'm looking forward to reading, "Custodians: Beyond Abduction." Amazon.com readers have given it really good reviews. Here's a snippet from one reader's review: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1886940045/o/qid=960136332/sr=2-1/002-6 372163-0025609 "While this latest book is a hefty 520+ pages, the revelatory quality of the material and the fact that its mostly transcripts of various sessions makes it move quickly. It is an understatement to say the topics discussed in this book are "out there", but "out there" is where we are all heading and fast. So, if you'd like to get a sneak peak at a portion of the map before you find yourself smack dab in the middle of new territory without a clue, then I suggest reading 'The Custodians'. Maybe it's time to turn off the big, black mediated reality generator box in your living room, squeegee off your Third Eye, and start seeing things as they really are." --- Here's a short description from Dolores Cannon's website: http://ozarkmt.com/ufobooks.htm#BEYOND THE CUSTODIANS ~ BEYOND ABDUCTION ~ UFO sightings and abductions by aliens were the beginning, the tip of the iceberg Dolores Cannon's work in hypnosis has taken the study beyond abduction. Dolores traces the phenomenon from the simple to the complex. Exploring areas untouched by other investigators, she makes the unbelievable become acceptable and understandable! -- Sample text here: (really interesting) http://ozarkmt.com/custodians.htm -- Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] UK's fabian socialist Blair BIG spender on SpinDoctors
(can't you just imagine how much his Comrade in our White House has spent.) Sunday 4th Jun 2000 BLAIR'S POUNDS 1BILLION ON SPIN DOCTORS TONY Blair has squandered more than pounds 1billion of taxpayers' cash on private firms of expert advisers. The cash would have been enough to build 14 hospitals or 1,000 new schools - or pay for 65,000 new nurses. Many of the contracts for outside advice have gone to firms employing New Labour cronies. The scandal provoked a political row last night over how the contracts came to be awarded. Union leaders attacked the Government for showing more concern for image than "front line care". Ministers now face a barrage of Commons questions over the use of outside consultants. MPs believe most of the work should have been done by Whitehall's 460,000-strong army of civil servants. Some of the contracts have been ridiculed as pointless. The Department of Health, which has spent pounds 22million on expert advice since the General Election, recently asked Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic stewards to compile a report on how to make hospitals more "consumer friendly". And one consultancy firm was paid pounds 3million to produce a list of what makes a good teacher. Teachers' union leader Nigel de Gruchy said: "We could have told them that for nothing." The revelations came as the Government faces a deepening crisis over its handling of the National Health Service and education. The controversial NHS "census" announced by Health Secretary Alan Milburn last week was organised by two outside companies - at a cost of pounds 500,000. Mary Maguire of the health workers' union Unison said: "It is a lot of money to spend on consultants, especially if so-called experts are lining their pockets at the expense of money going into front line care. "We in the front line know what the problems are, but the difficulty is getting the Government to listen." The list of firms include many with staff who are close to the New Labour project, either as former party staff or aides to Mr Blair or his ministers. Among them is Bell Pottinger, which advises the Home Office on youth crime and employs David Hill, the former head of Labour Party communications. Since 1997 the Home Secretary, Jack Straw, has presided over spending totalling pounds 5.7million on experts. Commons statistics compiled by MPs and researchers show that at least pounds 892million has been paid to the private sector experts since Mr Blair came to power. The figures do not take into account spending in this financial year, or expenditure by other Government agencies. Put together the bill is already over pounds 1billion. Ironically the highest bill has been run up by one of the Government's smallest bodies, the Department for International Development run by "old" Labour Cabinet Minister Clare Short. Her officials have paid out pounds 385,140,000 in the last three years. A spokesman claimed last night that the cost - one-tenth of Ms Short's pounds 3.2billion annual budget - was due to the need to hire agencies around the world to pinpoint areas of most need. The figure is more than the entire British aid budget for Asia this year, which is pounds 362million. But a spokesman for Ms Short said: "It is good value for money on a global basis." He said the figure was inflated because other types of spending had to be included for "technical" reasons. Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott is the next biggest spender. His giant Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions has spent pounds 46.3million on hiring consultants. Foreign Secretary Robin Cook has splashed out pounds 30million to prop up his ethical foreign policy and present his department in a good light. While outside experts have blossomed, the Government has slashed civil servant numbers in a programme started under the Tories. A Cabinet Office spokesman said that the contracts could "help to save money in the long run by streamlining projects". Arguing that outside contracts meant that permanent staff were not needed, she said: "This method helps to develop the most efficient response to a problem." But Liberal Democrat MP Don Foster, who is leading the campaign for more open disclosures of New Labour spending, has tabled a series of questions wanting to know if the contracts were awarded legally. He said: "The public has a right to know whether these contracts were awarded by open tender or by some other means." WHAT pounds 1BILLION COULD BUY 14 new hospitals at pounds 70m each or an extra 65,000 nurses on a starting salary of pounds 15,000 a year142,000 hip operations at pounds 7,000 each or 100,000 heart by-passes at pounds 10,000 each52,000 more police officers (on a London starting salary of pounds 19,200)1,000 schools at pounds 10m each or 60,000 extra teachers or1.5m computers at pounds 700 each.
[CTRL] interview of rapist on Echo of Moscow creates Kremlin furor
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/06/04/stifgnrus03002.html June 4 2000 RUSSIA Clinton radio show angers the KremlinMark Franchetti and Matthew Campbell Making waves: Putin and Clinton in the Kremlin yesterday at the beginning of the visit PRESIDENT Bill Clinton has angered his Russian hosts at his first summit with Vladimir Putin by agreeing to a radio interview today with one of the new Kremlin leader's most vociferous critics. On his last state visit to Russia before leaving office next January, Clinton will answer questions on Echo of Moscow, an independent radio station at loggerheads with President Putin, whom it accuses of curbing press freedoms. Officials have complained to American diplomats that the move risks insulting their leader. The summit, which began last night with a private Kremlin dinner, could end on a bitter note if the American president takes the Russian government to task over curbs on freedom of speech denounced by critics as a setback to reforms begun after the fall of communism. Echo is part of the Media Most Group, whose offices were recently raided by masked and armed security service officers in what was interpreted as an attempt to frighten journalists into silence on atrocities in war-torn Chechnya and other government abuses. Clinton's appearance, during which he will take phone calls from ordinary Russians, was welcomed by Alexei Venediktov, the station's director. He said it was a clear sign of support for independent media in a country where press freedoms are still a relative novelty after a history of totalitarian rule. "I want to ask Clinton how he deals with the press in America when they criticise him," Venediktov said. "Does he send in men in masks with machineguns, like the Kremlin?" Venediktov is by no means the only journalist complaining of government pressure. NTV, the country's only independent television station, last week announced that the Kremlin had told it to scrap a puppet of Putin on Kukly, a popular satirical programme modelled on Britain's Spitting Image. Such issues make this a difficult summit for Clinton, who is treading a fine line between registering displeasure and irritating a power from whose leaders he seeks political favours. Yesterday's dinner was his first meeting with Putin since the former KGB colonel succeeded Boris Yeltsin. Despite anxieties about a suspected authoritarian streak in Putin, Washington's frustration at dealing with an increasingly incoherent and often drunken Yeltsin gave way to optimism about a new start with a more effective leader, fuelling hopes of progress on a range of bilateral issues, most notably talks on nuclear arms reductions. Yet Clinton's vision of a breakthrough - and a boost from Russia to his much- battered domestic legacy - has given way to despair over Moscow's opposition to a controversial American plan to deploy a missile defence system, known by its acronym, NMD. Deployment of the "son of star wars" - a reference to Ronald Reagan's ambitious, space-based, missile defence plans - would require Russia's approval of changes to an anti-ballistic missile treaty. If deployment went ahead without such agreement, the treaty would effectively be scrapped - a prospect that has raised fears in Europe of a return to a nuclear arms race. In an attempt to win over the Russians, Clinton is billing the system as a protective shield against rogue nations such as North Korea and Iran. Before arriving in Moscow yesterday from Germany, where he met Gerhard Schröder, the German chancellor, Clinton suggested America might share the new technology with "civilised countries". It was not clear if he believed Russia would qualify. Putin riposted the Kremlin might agree to a joint Russian-American defence system, which was not what Clinton had envisaged by "sharing". Few experts took the Russian proposal seriously and the talks are likely to prove inconclusive.And, ultimately, his hosts may see more advantage in bestowing favours on the next occupant of the White House. Before travelling on to Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, tomorrow, Clinton will try to assuage Russian fears in a speech to the Duma - the first by an American president to the lower house of parliament. There is one opportunity for Clinton today as he faces Putin: he can uphold America's strength as a moral as well as military might in the world. While cynics may scoff at being lectured to by a politician impeached for lying about an extramarital affair, Clinton is expected to voice his concern over Russia's campaign against Chechnya, whose aspirations to independence have been crushed by Moscow's tanks. On the eve of his visit, the international organisation Human Rights Watch chronicled a Russian massacre of some 60 civilians in the Chechen capital, Grozny. In a separate incident last week, an Amnesty International investigator was
[CTRL] Fox News Network and Thought Control
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Alex Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fox News Network and Thought Control Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:11 PM The Fox News Network Political Thought Control for Profit In June 1998, right-wing political reporter Matt Drudge traded in his day job at a Hollywood gift shop and took to the airwaves, gratis Roger Ailes, chairman of the Fox News Network. On June 25, David Bauder of the Associated Press commented: "Drudge was 'welcomed' into the TV fraternity this week by fellow talkshow host Keith Olbermann, who said on MSNBC's 'Big Show': 'He has gone from being an idiot with a modem to an idiot with a modem and a TV show on THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE NETWORK IN AMERICA.'" Roger Ailes has been retained as an adviser to a score of fascist-leaning Republican politicians, including Nixon, Reagan, Bush, D'Amato and New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, a ubiquitous presence in the channel's coverage and a regular guest on its discussion programs. Ailes was a key figure in Joe McGinniss's book on the 1968 Nixon campaign, The Selling of the President, which, the Columbia Journalism Review observed in March 1998, "depicted Ailes as a ranting, blustery partisan whose showbiz talents cut to the core of Nixon's image problems." Under Roger Ailes, a valueless political operative himself, Fox News has been molded into a 24-hour, ultra-conservative propaganda machine, though Fox, as Brill's Content notes, "would never admit such a thing." The transparent manipulations of the channel's pundits, the intrusive thought control, is inexhaustible and often amazing: "Tonight, the healing must begin," Sean Hannity, a commentator at the channel, announced the day after the Columbine killings. To its credit. Fox does report straight news fairly although the channel's "coverage" usually amounts to taking dictation at press conferences and interviewing celebrities, and, Brill's observes (October 1999), the channel frequently frames the news "with oddball hosts, snide graphics and outrageous guests." The executives and programmers at Fox "positively bristle at the conservative characterization but with a roster of hosts that includes Brit Hume, Tony Snow, David Asman, Fred Barnes, Bill O'Reilly, and even Matt Drudge [cancelled], Fox News executives can't duck the fact that the network puts forth a conservative on-air face. Fox News is trying to have it both ways. Indeed, there are sound business reasons for Fox to camouflage the nature of its programming [Fox News] is the antimedia medium. From a pure marketing perspective, this kind of branding is gold, especially in a crowded field. They're trying to carve out their own niche, which is an intelligent thing to do, says Bruce Leichtman, director of media and entertainment strategy for The Yankee Group, a consulting firm. The disavowal of a conservative agenda makes it easier to attract such major, controversy-averse companies as General Motors and Sprint, which are now among the channel's largest advertisers. If Fox were to embrace overtly its conservative identity, it might marginalize itself, scare off advertisers, and perhaps lose any chance of winning what Ailes and Murdoch have so far invested more than $300 million to acquire: mainstream credibility and CNN-caliber influence." Alex Constantin Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Hollywood Leftists [communists] Give Millions to Gore, Hillary
Posted Friday, June 2, 2000 5:11 p.m. EDT Hollywood Leftists Give Millions to Gore, Hillary Hollywood liberals, desperate for Al Gore and Hillary Clinton to be elected, are showering millions of dollars on them. Entertainment big shots giving to Democrats include Tom Hanks, Oliver Stone, Martha Stewart, author Anne Rice, most members of the old pop group The Eagles and DreamWorks execs Steven Spielberg, David Geffen and Jeffrey Katzenberg, USA Today reports. Hillary, running for Senate in New York, isn't the only out-of-towner to benefit. The Left Coast gives even to Senate and House candidates whose districts are thousands of miles away. For example, movie director Sydney Pollack, Motown founder Berry Gordy and music producer Quincy Jones have each given $1,000 to Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. Of the $19 million given by the arts and entertainment set since 1999, Democrats have raked in more than twice as much as Republicans, according to a USA Today analysis. The main beneficiaries are Gore, Hillary and failed Democratic presidential candidate Bill Bradley, with Republican George W. Bush trailing in fourth place. "There's a connection between the Clintons and Hollywood that seems to be enduring beyond Bill, and (Hillary's) taking advantage of that," said Larry Makinson, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which follows campaign contributions. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/forum/drudge_frame.htm BardPro Libertate - For FreedomBUCHANAN-Reformhttp://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Folks, Come November are you going to vote to rid our Nation of the Traitors within?? If you don't then our Children will be the sacrifice necessary to achieve The Total State! [remove your child from the corrupt government schools(?) your child is being brain-washed daily just like Elian is being re-indoctrinated.] "A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, forhe is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar tohis victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals tothe baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague."--- Cicero in a speech to the Roman Senate, as recorded by Sallust
Re: [CTRL] Hollywood Leftists [communists] Give Millions to Gore, Hillary
I hate to have to point this out "Bard" but there's a world of difference between mainstream American "liberalism" and communism...and to refuse to recognize the difference makes you appear sophmoric at best...combine that with your incessant posts about "queers" and you really sound like a lightweight and most likely a teenager... Just my 2/100ths of a bucks worth... Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fox: FBI Boss Would Quit, But He Doesn't Want Clinton to Choose Replacement
From: http://www.foxnews.com/national/060400/fbi_post.sml FBI Boss Would Quit, But He Doesn't Want Clinton to Choose Replacement Sunday, June 4, 2000 By Brian Blomquist and Al Guart FBI Director Louis Freeh - whose feud with Attorney General Janet Reno has exploded in public - would gladly quit, but doesn't want to give President Clinton the chance to pick his replacement, sources told The Post. Those who've worked with Freeh say he's a straight arrow Freeh's rank-and-file agents and Reno's line prosecutors say they still can work together but are alarmed the battle between their bosses has burst into public. One exception is within the funny-money task force, where relations are so bad that prosecutors and agents have had to be placed on separate floors. The jabs have flown rat-a-tat in recent few weeks. Freeh sent Congress a memo suggesting that Reno, who's his boss, was under political pressure to go easy on the Clinton-Gore fund-raising probe in 1996. Reno fired back by sending Congress information revealing that she considered naming an independent counsel to probe whether Freeh gave inaccurate testimony to Congress. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he was surprised he got the information - which he said was clearly meant to "blacken up Freeh" - because it "was not within the scope of the subpoena." FBI agents - and even some Justice Department prosecutors - say they don't doubt it was retaliation by Reno. "This is how they play ball," said Charles LaBella, the former head of the Justice Department's campaign-finance task force The feud seems to originate with the Clinton-Gore funny-money case. Freeh and LaBella tried to get Reno to name an independent counsel, but Reno refused. Freeh, who has six sons and has complained about his government salary, has wanted to quit for years and move back to New York to take a high-paying private job. But sources say he doesn't want to give Clinton a chance to name his successor in the job, which carries a 10-year term. "He just doesn't like this president. And he's privy to all the facts of all our campaign-finance related cases, so you can't second-guess his judgment," an FBI agent said. Those who've worked with Freeh say he's a straight arrow. "He's the most unpolitical person I've ever met in my life, almost to a fault," said James Kallstrom, who headed the FBI's flagship New York office and has known Freeh since 1976. Another retired head of the New York FBI office, Lewis Schiliro, said: "On numerous occasions, I consulted with him on how to handle cases, and he always said, 'Do what is in the best interest of justice.' From corruption to terrorism to organized crime cases, it's never, ever wavered. And there aren't a lot of people you can say that about." Officially, spokesmen for Reno and Freeh deny there's any feud, claiming there's a long tradition of disagreement between the FBI and Justice Department. "What's different now is that they have spilled over into the public," said FBI spokesman John Collingwood. But on the front lines, FBI agents and Justice Department prosecutors say their bosses are indeed battling - though they claim the disputes don't trickle down and affect their own working relationships. "There's sort of a shared perception among the attorneys and the investigators that the top of the Justice Department is more political than the top of the FBI," one Justice Department prosecutor said. "We're all kind of on the same wavelength." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A
Re: [CTRL] AP: Linda Tripp Plans More Public Life
In a message dated 06/04/2000 5:05:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tripp had avoided virtually all public appearances since her indictment in Maryland last July, though she has released statements on her Web site and through her attorney. She said she has received dozens of speaking invitations. "I am not a public person. All this is very difficult for me," she told about 60 people attending a dinner of the South Carolina chapter of Free Republic, a group that operates a conservative Web site and has strongly supported her. Wonderful, perhaps she will write a book, "HOW TO FINK ON YOUR FRIENDS." Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rush And MNF
This is about as conspiracy-oriented as Spitzer's (over)posts... - SNETNEWS Mailing List June 19, 2000 Block That Rush! I suppose it would be in my financial interest if Rush Limbaugh were to get his wish and become part of the broadcast team for ABC's Monday Night Football. My book Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot is still backlisted, and Rush's presence on prime time would probably help sales by reminding millions of people who had otherwise forgotten what a smug jerk he is. The thing is, I'm a football fan. I watch Monday Night Football. Please, please, pleeze, ABC, don't make me have to listen to Rush. See, when I was researching my book, I listened to Rush. A lot. And once I finished my research, I frankly hoped that I'd never have to hear his voice again. By the way, it's not so much Rush's politics. If, say, Steve Largent quit Congress (which wouldn't be such a bad idea), I'd be happy to listen to him call Monday Night Football. Let me explain why: Steve Largent knows a lot about football. Recently on a Fox News Channel program devoted to this subject, I made the point that Rush has absolutely no experience in pro football. The anchor, whom I will not embarrass by naming him/her, took issue by saying, "But he did marketing for the Royals." Rush did, in fact, work in group sales for the Kansas City Royals, the American League baseball team. As FNC says, "We report, you decide." Rush did, however, play high school football. In fact, Limbaugh has said that he received his 4F physical deferment from the draft because of "a football knee from high school." Which is actually not true. In reality, Rush got his deferment because of a pilonidal cyst, which is a congenital incomplete closure of the neural groove at the base of the spinal cord in which excess tissue and hair may collect, causing discomfort and discharge. Not as sexy as a football knee, but a pilonidal cyst it was. This is more to the point of why I don't want Rush on MNF. He's a liar. Not the Frank Gifford type, who merely lies about consensual sex, which, though an impeachable offense, gives me no reason to doubt a yards-per-carry statistic Frank might throw at us. (And unlike Limbaugh, Gifford does not call himself "America's Truth Detector.") In Rush's world, "there is no conclusive proof that nicotine is addictive." "All income groups paid less taxes as a percentage of their income during the Reagan years, but the poor received the most relief, the middle class the next and the rich, the least." And "there are more acres of forestland in America today than when Columbus discovered the continent in 1492." I had considered titling my book Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Hypocritical Liar. But I thought that was just too confrontational. Which brings me to the "big fat" part. When Rush was last on TV regularly, he was very, very, very fat. And that, I think, is one of the reasons he wants the MNF job. Since my book came out, Rush has lost a lot of weight, and I don't blame him for wanting America to see that he is no longer, as doctors put it, "morbidly obese." The reality is, I saved the man's life, halting his slide into food-assisted suicide. Has he thanked me? No. Besides being an ingrate, Limbaugh is also a lout. In 1993 he called 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton "the White House dog." If he does MNF, I doubt he'll say anything as racist as Howard Cosell's "look at that little monkey go," referring during a 1983 Monday night game to Alvin Garrett, a black receiver for the Redskins. Rush takes great affront at being called a racist, though that didn't stop him from making this observation a few years ago: "Have you ever noticed how all newspaper composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?" Rush does like to accuse others of racism, particularly anyone in the Clinton Administration. According to Limbaugh, the "midnight basketball" provision in the President's 1994 crime bill was racist. "At a time when the black community is struggling with the notion that the route out of the ghetto is the National Basketball Association and a Nike pair of shoes, here comes the Administration...and they say to parents, 'Hey, we solved your problem. We're going to have your kids playing basketball midnight to 2 am... Wouldn't it just be simpler to expand the NBA to 500,000 teams?" Presumably Rush on MNF will be driving home the idea that the NFL and a pair of Nikes is a better way out of the ghetto. Of course, Rush's real problem was with the federal government spending a few million dollars on a program that would provide supervised recreation and job training to poor teens and young adults. Better for taxpayers to spend hundreds of millions on stadiums with corporate boxes. (To be fair to Rush, I support all of the above.) But again, in regard to the MNF job, it's not really Limbaugh's politics that I object to. For instance, former MNF commentator Dan Dierdorf is a member of the Socialist Workers Party. The fact that you
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: There Goes the Ozone Layer
In a message dated 06/04/2000 11:40:07 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can fill a balloon with dirt and it will fall to the ground too, but I have seen dust (dirt) in the air many times. a cold (hydrogen) balloon will not float cold smoke will not float but wind can pick up either one and carry it. I have lived in West Texas so I have certainly seen a lot of dust in the air. Yes the winds can lift things into the air which are heavier than air. However these heavier particles and molecules do settle out. If you fly much, you will notice that even on windy and dusty days, the dust is mostly below 10,000 ft. But this isn't even the point. Even if minute quantities of CFC gasses make it up to above 30,000 ft. the amount is absolutely unimportant. Why? Chlorine is the culprit. Chlorine is the first C in CFC. Chlorine is what destroys ozone on contact. Chlorine is produced is great quantities by the oceans. So much so, that the chlorine in all the CFCs ever produced is negligible in comparison. The Ozone Layer is extremely important to all life on earth. The Ozone Layer is being disturbed by manmade technology. But the Ozone Layer is not being harmed by CFCs. This is the "Cover Story" which has been fed to the public. It simply is not true. Regards to All Nakano A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Indians And The Masons
The Indians And The Masons by Patrick Marsolek -- -- The Great North Trail is a major legacy of ancient man in the American West. It crosses through the United States from the Bering Strait to Tierra del Fuego and is thought to have been the major migration route of early peoples from Asia to the Americas. Along the trail are concentrations of petroforms, simple structures made of stone: circles, cairns, medicine wheels, and ceremonial enclosures. New data on the trail and these petroforms could reshape many of the currently accepted beliefs regarding their creation and function. Though most traditional historians and archaeologists think that the varied arrangements of petroforms found along the trail signified a purely utilitarian function, they may be part of an indigenous science employing geometries of spiritual transcendence that were linked with the landscape. Similar technologies may have been used in the building of the Temple of Solomon and the Egyptian temples. An understanding of this technology could have been used to navigate spiritually, as well as physically, through the harsh environments following the last ice age about 10,000 years ago. This connection of a people with the landscape bears a similarity to aboriginal mythologies in other parts of the world. From Australia, to Africa, and the Americas, special mountains and hilltops are ritualized sacred sites on the landscape and are often marked with monuments of stone. If an ancient science represented in the Great North Trail somehow emerged from the same prehistoric technologies of Europe and Asia, then this line of knowledge may have reconnected with the entrance of Masonic ideals into the American West. Freemasons have had a large presence in the affairs of the United States since its formation. This was especially so in the settling of the west. Masonic organizations formed in communities almost as soon as people gathered in a place. In Montana, the first Masonic meeting occurred atop the continental divide in 1862, on the eve of the gold rush to the territory. No record exists of what took place at the meeting, yet Masons soon would be involved in shaping the politics and economics of the Montana Territory. With the hangings of the sheriff of Bannock and other highway men by the vigilantes in the winter of 1863-64, the Masons initiated a dominant presence in the region. The landscape where the Great North Trail crosses through the west may have been chosen to be a contemporary stronghold of Masonic ideals. If so, why? Deep inside the core of Freemasonry there may be a link to sacred technologies of ancient man. To appreciate this connection we must leave the Trail and take a daring look at the beginnings of the Masons of Montana, the Knights Templar, and Solomon's Temple. Present-day Freemasonry is a fraternal order whose basic tenets are brotherly love, philanthropy, and truth. This order is often thought to have originated around the 14th century in Scotland as an offshoot of the Knights Templar in response to the brutal crushing and dispersal of the Knights Templar by Philip IV of France in 1307. One of the earliest documents relating to Freemasonry, however, the Cooke Manuscript of 1410, refers to the building of the Temple of Solomon as the true beginning of Freemasonry. King Solomon allowed the 80,000 Masons of the Temple their own order. It may have evolved earlier out of the Egyptian mysteries or farther back, to a time, as Harold Percival puts it, in Masonry and Its Symbols, ...when bodies first became male and female and the first temples were meant to be symbols of the human body. This last statement reveals a continuous source of inspiration that runs throughout most versions of Masonic history, the use of the symbols and the geometry of Freemasonry, including the pillars of the Temple of Solomon, the all-seeing eye, the square, and the compass. These masonic symbols are even associated with important Masons in our recent history, such as George Washington and Meriwether Lewis. Lewis may have been the first Mason to cross the Great North Trail. In King Solomon's time the sacred geometry and symbols were essential to the Masons and the building of the Temple of Solomon. The esoteric significance of these geometries may encompass much more than our traditional concepts. To the ancient builders these geometries were intimately connected with the theologies of both Judaism and Islam, in which God was a unity. In The Temple and The Lodge, the authors Baigent and Leigh have this to say about this early geometry: If (the one) God was to be discerned in the creation at all, it was not in the multiplicity of forms, but in the unifying principles running through those forms and underlying them. In other words, God was to be discerned in the principles of shape, determined ultimately by the degrees in an angle-and by number. It was through shape
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The CIA did not know it
Familiar names and themes? Excerpt from second of below forwarded posts: "The CIA did not know it, but Dulles was bringing them to the United States less for intelligence purposes than for political advantage. The Nazis' job quickly became to get out the vote for the Republicans. One Israeli intelligence officer joked that when Dulles used the phrase 'Never Again,' he was not talking about the Holocaust but about Dewey's narrow loss to Truman. In the eyes of the Israelis, Allen Dulles was the demon who infected Western intelligence with Nazi recruits." "In 1988, Project Censored, a news media censorship research organization, awarded the honor of "Top Censored story" to the subject of George Bush. The article revealed "how the major mass media ignored, overlooked or undercovered at least ten critical stories reported in America's alternative press that raised serious questions about the Republican candidate, George Bush, dating from his reported role as a CIA 'asset' in 1963 to his Presidential campaign's connection with a network of anti-Semites with Nazi and fascist affiliations in 1988." (4) From: "Ann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "David Crockett Williams" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "David E fawcett" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Gary Barrett" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Gene Weeks" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Peter McWilliams" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Rebecca Bird" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Rick Root" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Rusty Stuart" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Sister Somayah" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Steve Kubby" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "William Britt CA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Jeanne+Jack Herer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FYI - re: an idea.. Date: Sunday, June 04, 2000 12:07 AM Richard MELLON Scaife For a look at the current heir to Andrew Mellon's throne.. uh, 'fortune' click on this link http://www.salon.com/news/1998/10/01news.html This is the money-man behind the 'Get Clinton' campaign. Whitehead and Klayman, I believe, live off Mellons's bankroll as well. (Like Ken Starr and friends.) Here is the hub of the 'vast right wing conspiracy'. Hillary may not have been too far off after all. That's why this is questionable ground. It's the same cast of characters.. and they are NOT NICE PEOPLE. [SALON | Oct. 1, 1998 author Murray Waas is Salon's award-winning investigative reporter covering Whitewater] http://www.salon.com/news/1998/10/01news.html Scaife tells why he cut off Spectator's funding The reclusive billionaire points the finger at fellow Arkansas Project conspirators in testimony before the grand jury. BY MURRAY WAAS WASHINGTON -- Conservative billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife testified to a federal grand jury earlier this month that he had terminated the funding of a four-year, $2.4 million effort to investigate and discredit President Clinton in late 1997, because of concerns about how his money was being spent, according to sources familiar with his testimony. The grand jury in Fort Smith, Ark., has been investigating allegations since August that funds from that effort, known as the Arkansas Project, were provided to David Hale, the central anti-Clinton witness in the Whitewater investigation of independent counsel Kenneth Starr. The alleged payments to Hale were made during the time that he was a cooperating witness with Starr's investigation of the president. The grand jury heard testimony in early August from two witnesses who have said that they had firsthand knowledge of the numerous cash payments to Hale by Parker Dozhier, a former Arkansas Project employee. Funds for the Arkansas Project were funneled through the American Spectator magazine to two conservative political activists, Stephen S. Boynton and Dave Henderson, who directed the effort. Boynton, an attorney and lobbyist, and Henderson, a former vice president of the American Spectator Educational Foundation, have denied that the Arkansas Project made covert payments of money to Hale. Meanwhile, however, federal investigators have uncovered evidence that individuals associated with the Arkansas Project paid at least $8,800 in legal fees to Jay Bequette, a Little Rock attorney who briefly represented Hale in a criminal case. Bequette did not return telephone calls seeking comment Wednesday. Sources familiar with those payments say that Bequette received the funds in 1996 to defend Hale against state criminal charges that he had looted funds from his own insurance company and then made misrepresentations to state regulators to conceal the company's insolvency. As Salon has previously reported, Boynton and Henderson also played an instrumental role in assisting Hale in finding legal counsel when the Senate Whitewater committee had demanded testimony from Hale that same year. As a result of their assistance, prominent Washington attorney and conservative political partisan Theodore B. Olson agreed to represent Hale free of charge in a successful effort to assist Hale in avoiding testifying to the Senate committee. Olson, a former Reagan
Re: [CTRL] Eureka! Scientists break speed of light
K wrote: http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/06/04/stifgnusa01007.html June 4 2000 UNITED STATES Eureka! Scientists break speed of light Jonathan Leake, Science Editor SCIENTISTS claim they have broken the ultimate speed barrier: the speed of light. Stupid stupid scientists. All they have done is discovered that they were wrong about something else. Suprise Suprise!! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rare Earth - Are we special?
Are we special? Rare Earth probably most elegantly expresses the view that intelligent life exists only on Earth, and not elsewhere in the Universe. For an opposite view, including the Quarantine Model, see: http://www.exopolitics.com = Take that, Copernicus: RARE EARTH: WHY COMPLEX LIFE IS UNCOMMON IN THE UNIVERSE. By Peter D. Ward and Donald Brownlee. Springer-Verlag; 362 pages; $27.50 and 12.50 THANKS to the work of Copernicus, Galileo and others, the earth long ago lost its place at the centre of the universe. Instead, it is now known to be just one of several planets orbiting one of hundreds of millions of stars in one of billions of galaxies. On the cosmic scale, there is nothing special about our planet after all. Not so fast, say Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee, a geologist and an astronomer respectively at the University of Washington. Instead, they suggest that "the continued marginalisation of earth and its place in the universe should be reassessed." They offer a powerful argument that the earth is, in fact, extremely unusual. That in turn implies that complex extraterrestrial life forms may be far rarer than science fiction stories and many scientists would have us believe. This claim might seem at odds with recent discoveries which suggest (at least to those investigating such matters) that extraterrestrial life could be commonplace. On earth, "extremophile" bacteria have been discovered that are capable of thriving in extreme and inhospitable conditions such as inside scorching geothermal vents and even inside rocks where life was previously thought to be impossible. This is surely grounds for optimism that bacteria could also live happily in other unlikely places, such as on Mars or in the oceans of Jupiter's moon Europa. In addition, the discoveries since 1995 of dozens of planets orbiting nearby stars suggests that planets are abundant, so there should be loads of places for life to get started beyond the solar system. Mr Ward and Mr Brownlee argue, however, that while primitive microbial life may well exist throughout the universe, the more complex organisms that evolved on earth owe their existence to an unusual combination of factors. If so, the estimate of Carl Sagan, for example, of a million civilisations in this galaxy alone looks vastly overdone. It is fortuitous that the earth orbits a star that is not too close to the centre of the galaxy (where cataclysmic events and dangerous radiation would prove hostile to living beings), but not too near the edge either (where the heavy elements needed to form planets are less abundant). It is lucky also that the sun is a solitary, stable star and the earth has a stable orbit around it. Just as fortunate is Jupiter's helpful hoovering up of many (though not all) potentially lethal comets and asteroids, and the fact that Saturn is small enough not to have ended up in a gravitational tussle with Jupiter that might have caused the loss of the solar system's other planets. Earth's chemical composition is also just right to allow plate-tectonic activity, which is lacking on both Venus and Mars, and helps to maintain the climate so that it is suitable for the long-term presence of liquid water. But perhaps the most important and yet unlikely factor is the earth's unusually large moon, whose presence has played a crucial role in stabilising the planet's tilt and climate. It is now agreed that the moon formed when the earth was struck by a Mars-sized body early in its history a freak occurrence. This suggests that any earth-like planets around other stars are likely to lack such a moon, and thus
[CTRL] Bilderberg-participants, year 2000 in Belgium
The usual demonology of global mind control exploitation is in attendance at this years' Bilderbergers - from Henry Kissinger to David Rockefeller. The remark has been made that Bilderbergers are like "high=level employees". Their principals are elsewhere. The question is, then: Who are the Bilderbergers' employers? Alfred Webre, Vancouver, BC = Bilderberg-participants, year 2000 in Belgium Bilderberg Press Release extract: 3 June 2000 The 48th Bilderberg meeting was held in Brussels, Belgium, 1-3 June 2000. Among other subjects the Conference discussed US Elections, Globalisation, New Economy, the Balkans, EU Enlargement, the European Far Right. Approximately 100 participants from North America and Europe attended the discussions. The meeting was private in order to encourage frank and open discussion. etc. Bilderberg meetings, Brussels, Belgium, 1-3 June 2000 List of Participants, 3 June 2000 Honorary Secretary General: J. Martin Taylor, Chairman, WH Smith Group, Adviser, Goldman Sachs Honorary Chairman: Etienne Davignon, Chairman, Société Générale de Belgique Agnelli, Giovanni, I, Fiat Agnelli, Umberto, I, IFIL Aguirre y Gil de Biedma, Esperenza, E, Pres. Spanish Senate Allaire, Paul, USA, Chair, Xerox Ambrosetti, Alfredo, I, Ambrosetti Group Andersen, Bodil Nyboe, DK, Governor, Central Bank of Denmark Asper, Israel, CDN, Chair, CanWest Avery, Graham, INT, Chief Adviser for Enlargement, EC Balsemão, Francisco Pinto, P, Uni, Lisbon, Impressa Barnevik, Percy, S, Investor AB Benschop, Dick, NL, State Secretary for European Affairs Bernabè, Franco, I, Italian rep on Balkan reconstruction Betz, Hans-Georg, Columbia NY Unis. Bildt, Carl, INT, UN (Balkans) Black, Conrad, CDN, Chair, Telegraph Group Bruton, John, IRL, Leader, Fine Gael Buchanan, Robin WT, GB, Bain Co Clarke, Kenneth, GB, MP Çolakoglu, Nuri, TR, NTV Collomb, Bertrand, Lafarge Cromme, Gerhard, D, Thyssen/Krupp David, George A, GR, Hellenic Bottling Deutch, John M, MIT Diamandouros, P Nikiforos, GR, Ombudsman Dodd, Christopher J, USA, Senator, D, Connecticut Donilon, Thomas E, USA, FannieMae Dyson, Esther, USA, EDventure Fréchette, Louise, INT, UN Fresco, Paolo, I, Fiat Frum, David, CDN, National Post Gouveia, Teresa Patrício, P, MP (PSD) Graham, Donald E, USA, Washington Post Hagel, Chuck, USA, Senator, R, Nebraska Halberstadt, Victor, NL, Leiden Univ. Hambro, Christian, N, Research Council of Norway Hampel, Erich, A, Creditanstalt-Bankverein Hutchison, Kay bailey, USA, Senator, R, Texas Huyghebaert, Jan, B, Almanij NV Janssen, Daniel E, B, Solvay Johansson, Leif, S, Volvo Johnson, James A, USA, Johnson Capital Jordan Jr, Vernon E, USA, Lazard Frères Kayhan, Muharrem, TR, Söktas Kissinger, Henry A, USA, Kissinger Associates Kopper, Hilmar, D, Deutsche Bank Kravis, Henry R, USA, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts Kravis, Marie-Josée, USA, Hudson Institute Lamy, Pascal, INT, European Commissioner Lévy-Lang, André, F, Former Chair Paribas Lippens, Maurice, B, Fortis Lipponen, Paavo, FIN, Prime Minister Mathews, Jessica T, USA, Carnegie Endowment McDonough, William J, USA, Pres. Federal Reserve Bank of NY Montbrial, Thierry de, F, French Inst of International Relations Moore, Mike, INT, WTO Nass, Matthias, D, Die Zeit Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands Ollila, Jorma, FIN, Nokia Padoa-Schioppa, tommaso, INT, ECB Pagrotsky, Leif, S, Trade Minister Papandreou, George A, GR, Foreign Minister Petersson, Lars Eric, S, Skandia Petritsch, Wolfgang, A, High Rep, Bosnia; EU negotiator Kosovo Pury, David de, CH, de Pury Pictet Turrettini Rasmussen, Anders Fogh, DK, Liberal Party Reiten, Eivind, N, Norsk Hydro Richardson, Bill, USA, Energy Secretary Riotta, Gianni, I, La Stampa Rockefeller, David, USA, Chase Manhattan Bank Rodriguez Inciarte, Matías, E, BSCH Roll, Eric, GB, UBS Warburg Ruggiero, Renato, I, Schroder Salomon Smith Barney Scholten, Rudolf, A, Österreichische Kontrollbank Schoutheete de Tervarent, Ph de, B, Former EU Perm Rep Seidenfaden, Tøger, DK, Politiken Solana Madariaga, Javier, INT, Sec Gen, Council of the EU Soros, George, USA, Soros Fund Management Steinberg, James B, USA, Dep Asst to the President for National Security Affairs Strauss-Kahn, Dominique, F, Univ. of Paris, Fomer Finance Minister Surroi, Veton, Kosovo, Publisher, KOHA Ditore Sutherland, Peter D, IRL, Goldman Sachs BP Amoco Tarullo, Daniel K, USA, Georgetowm Univ. Thornton, John L, Goldman Sachs Tremonti, Giulio, I, Finance Commission, Chamber of Deputies Trichet, Jean-Claude, F, Banque de France Vasella, Daniel L, CH, Novartis Veer, Jeroen van der, NL, Shell Vink, Lodewijk JR de, USA, Warner Lambert Vranitzky, Franz, A, Former Chancellor Wallenberg, Jacob, S, Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken Wolf, Martin, GB, Associated Editor/Economics Commentator Wolfensohn, James D, World Bank Wolff von Amerongen, Otto, Otto Wolff GmbH Wolfowitz, Paul, USA, John Hopkins Univ. Rapporteurs:
Re: [CTRL] Satan Works For Moon Now!
Well where is Rosemary's Baby? Watch young King Hussein and his beautiful wife. Born February 5, 1962 when it was said the stars were right. Now can you imagine if: Dodi Fayed married the Princess of Wales, and John F. Kennedy and his beautiful wife had lived what the world would have been as compared to what we Who is the Anti Christ - head honcho? Turn on your Cable TV late at night. His presense permeates the air. For his presense pictured on television is merely a reflection of our Oval Office. Ugly Americans. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers - it's a lawyer joke
After watching the OJ Simpson trial, well let us say I have seen better heads on a nickel glass of beer (old lawyer joke). Now thisi F. Lee Bailey did a good job, but I cannot believe this man does not know what Shakespeare meant when he wrote "first we will kill all the lawyers". For in a communistic society his is the intent, to destroy the law. Now is this not the intent of the United Nations and this CFR front? If F. Lee Bailey really made that comment, he should be ashamed. Example of what Shakespeare really meant, for now today we see a group of conspirators attempting to change the work of Shakespeare, for instance the story about Shylock and the Pound of Flesh, was "just a joke". Now I have a friend that knows F. Lee Bailey at Naples Florida, if he is still there. I am going to try to find out, if that guy is slipping. Most stupid lawyers in the world were at OJ trial with one exception - F. Lee Bailey, who did not lose sight of the truth of the matter, while this Shapiro nearly booed out of Yankee Stadium, turned on his own client. ] "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" - it's a lawyer joke Seth Finkelstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Few people are unfamiliar with the phrase The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyer. Rueful, mocking, it often expresses the ordinary person's frustration with the arcana and complexity of law. Sometimes it's known known that the saying comes from one of Shakespeare's plays, but usually there's little awareness beyond that. This gap in knowledge has inspired a myth of "correction", where it is "explained" that this is line really intended as a praise of the lawyer's role. For example, one legal firm states: "The first thing we do," said the character in Shakespeare's Henry VI, is "kill all the lawyers." Contrary to popular belief, the proposal was not designed to restore sanity to commercial life. Rather, it was intended to eliminate those who might stand in the way of a contemplated revolution -- thus underscoring the important role that lawyers can play in society. (from Dickstein Shapiro Morin Oshinsky LLP Firm Profile) Or As the famous remark by the plotter of treachery in Shakespeare's King Henry VI shows - "The first thing we must do is kill all the lawyers," - the surest way to chaos and tyranny even then was to remove the guardians of independent thinking. (from THINKING LIKE A LAWYER) The argument of this remark as in fact being favorable to lawyers is a marvel of sophistry, twisting of the meaning of words in unfamiliar source, disregard of the evident intent of the original author and ad hominem attack. Whoever first came up with this interpretation surely must have been a lawyer. The line is actually uttered by a character "Dick The Butcher". While he's a killer as evil as his name implies, he often makes highly comedic and amusing statements. The wisecracking villain is not an invention of modern action movies, it dates back to Shakespeare and beyond. The setup for the "kill the lawyers" statement is the ending portion of a comedic relief part of a scene in Henry VI, part 2. Dick and another henchman, Smith are members of the gang of Jack Cade, a pretender to the throne. The built-up is long portion where Cade make vain boasts, which are cut down by sarcastic replies from the others. For example: JACK CADE. Valiant I am. SMITH [aside]. 'A must needs; for beggary is valiant. JACK CADE. I am able to endure much. DICK [aside]. No question of that; for I have seen him whipp'd three market-days together. JACK CADE. I fear neither sword nor fire. SMITH [aside]. He need not fear the sword; for his coat is of proof. DICK [aside]. But methinks he should stand in fear of fire, being burnt i' th'hand for stealing of sheep. You can almost hear the rim-shot after everything Dick or Smith say here. Cade proceeds to go more and more over the top, and begins to describe his absurd ideal world: JACK CADE. Be brave, then; for your captain is brave, and vows reformation. There shall be in England seven half-penny loaves sold for a penny: the three-hoop'd pot shall have ten hoops; and I will make it felony to drink small beer: all the realm shall be in common; and in Cheapside shall my palfrey go to grass: and when I am king,- as king I will be,- ALL. God save your majesty! Appreciated and encouraged, he continues on in this vein: JACK CADE. I thank you, good people:- there shall be no money; all shall eat and drink on my score; and I will apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord. And here is where Dick speaks the famous line. DICK. The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. The audience must have doubled over in laughter at this. Far from "eliminating those who might stand in the way of a contemplated revolution" or portraying lawyers as "guardians of independent thinking", it's offered as the best feature imagined of yet for utopia. It's hilarious. A very rough and simplistic
Re: [CTRL] Bilderberg-participants, year 2000 in Belgium
In a message dated 06/04/2000 6:04:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The question is, then: Who are the Bilderbergers' employers? ### We know that there is no such thing as the Bilderbergers, because Rush Limbaugh has told us so. (Many times) There is also no such thing as the Council on Foreign Relations, or if there is, we can be sure it's innocent and harmless, because Rush Limbaugh has told us so. What's funny is that Limbaugh openly states on the air, "You don't have to think...I will think for you and I will tell you what's important." So the "Dittoheads" let Rush think for them. Hey...Rush says there is no such thing as a "Conspiracy" and that anybody who thinks they exist is a total whacko. This sounds just like Professor Jerry Mander doesn't it? Notice Herr Henry Kissinger is once more in attendance at this meeting. (I think he's made about all of them) Let's not forget Kissinger's infamous quote from the Bilderberg Meeting in Evian France several years ago: "Today the people of Los Angeles would be outraged if U.N. troops were patrolling the streets of L.A. Tomorrow, they will be grateful." Regards to All Nakano A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hollywood Leftists [communists] Give Millions to Gore, Hillary
Make no Mistake! Today's Leftist is a Communist! Bill, You are living in the World of 'Traditional Liberalism: Liberalism Liberalism can be understood as (1) a political tradition (2) a political philosophy and (3) a general philosophical theory, encompassing a theory of value, a conception of the person and a moral theory as well as a political philosophy. As a political tradition liberalism has varied in different countries. In England --- in many ways the birthplace of liberalism --- the liberal tradition in politics has centered on religious toleration, government by consent, personal and, especially, economic freedom. In France liberalism has been more closely associated with secularism and democracy. In the United States liberals often combine a devotion to personal liberty with an antipathy to capitalism, while the liberalism of Australia tends to be much more sympathetic to capitalism but often less enthusiastic about civil liberties. To understand this diversity in political traditions, we need to examine liberalism as a political theory and as a general philosophy. These latter two are the concerns of this essay. Liberalism as a Political Theory Liberalism as a Philosophy The Return of Purely Political Liberalism? Bibliography Related Entries http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/ The 'queers' and other fringe groups are merely tools to achieving The Total State. I don't mine your criticism, but try and be more specific vs. 'lightweight and teenage'. My 'incessant' Posts about 'queers' are targeted at ignorant as a means to awaken them to reality. Parents. Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm To support Mr. Buchanan in the White House we must send to Congress Constitutional conservatives who will: Restore the United States to "One Nation Under God" Return to Constitutional, Limited Government Protect the Inalienable Right to Life of All, including the Unborn and Infirm Protect Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms Restore National Sovereignty, including Withdrawal from the U.N. Maintain a Strong National Defense Repeal the Unconstitutional Income Tax Stop All Unconstitutional Spending Protect the Inalienable Rights of Liberty and Private Property Abolish the Federal Reserve and Restore Constitutional Money Promote Pro-family policies End Federal Subsidies for and Control of Education and Welfare Comprehensive Immigration Reform Return Control over Elections to the People Abolish Special Interest Entitlements (corporate welfare) - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hollywood Leftists [communists] Give Millions to Gore, Hillary I hate to have to point this out "Bard" but there's a world of difference between mainstream American "liberalism" and communism...and to refuse to recognize the difference makes you appear sophmoric at best...combine that with your incessant posts about "queers" and you really sound like a lightweight and most likely a teenager... Just my 2/100ths of a bucks worth... Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PV A HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER.doc
Didn't you hear, Joshua 2, the secret to the New World Order? At Seattle, when Clinton spoke, he invited in the opposition to this group, for that is how they get control. It is said Freemasons may sit in meetings with Kings and Princes and millionaires, but each goes home be it a castle or a shanty, in the evening. For you are right, these people survive from the bottom up. Note how the CFR took in the Unions, and then see what happened to the Unions. Remember James Hoffa and they never even found him. Didn't see him joining that bunch. So this is how it is done. And the best way as you say to break them, do not buy what they have to sell. Today I had a pair of blue jeans. It had an Amrican made label. Yet, I noticed Blue Dog clothese for little children, are made in Mexico. So, first buy American. Second, invest in US Savings bonds, and not on Wall Street. For, if the government goes down the tube, we all go. These people want control of our Treasury. They have no official authority, and not elected to represent anyone other than themselves. And as for those guys who went to this Bilderberg Meeting, if these are secret meetings, well they better pay their own way or come up with an agenda and minutes for public consumption. I also questions all the money movies stars, and Oliver Stone give to Clinton. This could be the most serious conflict of interest of all, for between Clinton and these movies, he is being paid on the side which just ain't kosher. These movie stars like Paul Newman for example, they are all paid to take sides on issues which essentially is collustion. Everthing is orchestrated. Constitution of the US protests and encourages the Arts and Sciences, and here is where the corruption begins Movies are propaganda reflecting the image of the White House. And at this time, it would see, the image is not what it should be. Boycott, and most of all vote. Everything begins on the local level, but only a handful of peple decide the destiny of this once great country. If George Bush sees the light and lives to be President, I think he would be okay. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Eureka! Scientists break speed of light
Eureka! Scientists break speed of light Jonathan Leake, Science Editor SCIENTISTS claim they have broken the ultimate speed barrier: the speed of light. In research carried out in the United States, particle physicists have shown that light pulses can be accelerated to up to 300 times their normal velocity of 186,000 miles per second. The implications, like the speed, are mind-boggling. On one interpretation it means that light will arrive at its destination almost before it has started its journey. In effect, it is leaping forward in time. Exact details of the findings remain confidential because they have been submitted to Nature, the international scientific journal, for review prior to possible publication. The work was carried out by Dr Lijun Wang, of the NEC research institute in Princeton, who transmitted a pulse of light towards a chamber filled with specially treated caesium gas. Before the pulse had fully entered the chamber it had gone right through it and travelled a further 60ft across the laboratory. In effect it existed in two places at once, a phenomenon that Wang explains by saying it travelled 300 times faster than light. The research is already causing controversy among physicists. What bothers them is that if light could travel forward in time it could carry information. This would breach one of the basic principles in physics - causality, which says that a cause must come before an effect. It would also shatter Einstein's theory of relativity since it depends in part on the speed of light being unbreachable. This weekend Wang said he could not give details but confirmed: "Our light pulses did indeed travel faster than the accepted speed of light. I hope it will give us a much better understanding of the nature of light and how it behaves." Dr Raymond Chiao, professor of physics at the University of California at Berkeley, who is familiar with Wang's work, said he was impressedby the findings. "This is a fascinating experiment," he said. In Italy, another group of physicists has also succeeded in breaking the light speed barrier. In a newly published paper, physicists at the Italian National Research Council described how they propagated microwaves at 25% above normal light speed. The group speculates that it could be possible to transmit information faster than light. Dr Guenter Nimtz, of Cologne University, an expert in the field, agrees. He believes that information can be sent faster than light and last week gave a paper describing how it could be done to a conference in Edinburgh. He believes, however, that this will not breach the principle of causality because the time taken to interpret the signal would fritter away all the savings. "The most likely application for this is not in time travel but in speeding up the way signals move through computer circuits," he said. Wang's experiment is the latest and possibly the most important evidence that the physical world may not operate according to any of the accepted conventions. In the new world that modern science is beginning to perceive, sub-atomic particles can apparently exist in two places at the same time - making no distinction between space and time. Separate experiments carried out by Chiao illustrate this. He showed that in certain circumstances photons - the particles of which light is made - could apparently jump between two points separated by a barrier in what appears to be zero time. The process, known as tunnelling, has been used to make some of the most sensitive electron microscopes. The implications of Wang's experiments will arouse fierce debate. Many will question whether his work can be interpreted as proving that light can exceed its normal speed - suggesting that another mechanism may be at work. Neil Turok, professor of mathematical physics at Cambridge University, said he awaited the details with interest, but added: "I doubt this will change our view of the fundamental laws of physics." Wang emphasises that his experiments are relevant only to light and may not apply to other physical entities. But scientists are beginning to accept that man may eventually exploit some of these characteristics for inter-stellar space travel. Next page: Trials to start for cocaine 'vaccine' Next: Trials to start for cocaine 'vaccine' Copyright 2000 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on Times Newspapers' standard terms and conditions. To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from The Sunday Times, visit the Syndication website. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum
Re: [CTRL] stray kittens puppies fatal victims of L.A.'s DNC Convention of Pinkos
The subject line of this post is inflammatory and misleading. Strays are routinely euthanized in every city in the nation. If it bothers you so much, I suggest you would be better served expending your energies in activities to help reduce the exploding population of unwanted dogs and cats in this nation. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] English people seldom get abducted by greys according to a UK UFO mag. Maybe they taste bad. Remember the old Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man"? Perhaps the space aliens know UK cuisine sucks... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
From: "Carl Amedio" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will posture another scenario the great Hoax of all time. How to achieve One World Government and total domination of the people by the New World Order? Easy: Create an Alien threat so dangerous that we are all glad to surrender our sovereignty we will be happy to surrender or Constitutional rights to combat the ET Menace. Watch and wait ET one day will manifest themselves by the thousands in our skies. Didn't our ol' prez Ronnie Reagan babble about something similar during his reign? Something to the effect that if the Earth was threatened from outer space, we'd all forget our differences and become one? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dalai Lama Responsible For Rape, Cannibalism, Murder, Says Beijing
Dalai Lama Responsible For Rape, Cannibalism, Murder, Says Beijing http://www.insidechina.com/news.php3?id=164927 BEIJING, Jun 1, 2000 -- (Reuters http://www.reuters.com) China Wednesday launched a vitriolic attack against exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, accusing him and his followers of rape, murder and child cannibalism. The official Xinhua news agency quoted the Tibet Daily as saying the Dalai Lama, while still in Tibet, had presided over a system that was "the most gloomy, cruel, and uncultured in the history of mankind". The commentary, harshly worded even by Chinese standards, comes ahead of the 50-year anniversary of China's October 1950 invasion of Tibet, which spelt the beginning of the end of the Dalai Lama's rule. The commentary depicted Tibetan society under the Dalai Lama as an antiquated feudal system where monks and nobles acted as dictators and serfs were traded and were "usually cruelly tortured or killed". During an insurgency against Chinese rule in 1959, "aimed to protect feudal serfdom", the Dalai Lama and his followers committed crimes ranging from temple looting to rape and killings, according to the commentary. In one instance, they cut open the belly of a nine-year-old boy, ate his heart, chopped him to pieces, and had the body parts hung from a tree, it claimed. The rebellion ended in failure and led to the Dalai Lama's decision to flee Tibet and go into exile. He now lives with 100,000 followers in Dharamsala, India, and has become a high-profile figure on the international stage, advocating a greater degree of autonomy for the Tibetan people. The Tibet Daily commentary argued that even in exile the Dalai Lama has continued to do damage to his nation and prevented its development, seeking to stop aid to Tibet offered by the World Bank and governments in the developed world. This shows the threat posed to basic human rights by separatist activities, the commentary argued. The Dalai Lama is now the "head of overseas separatist forces, a tool of western anti-China forces and the arch criminal who splits the motherland", the commentary concluded. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Castro Sees Embargo Support Eroding
Thanks to Elian, no doubt By PAUL SHEPARD, Associated Press Writer HAVANA (AP) - Fidel Castro said Sunday support for the 38-year-old trade embargo against Cuba was beginning to ``wear down'' as American business seeks new markets. In a meeting with members of the Congressional Black Caucus, Castro also suggested Cuba could extend a free medical training program to poor American students who would return home to practice in poor regions. He also voiced support for the work of black members of Congress but said he was disenchanted with elected politics in general and American presidential politics in particular. Castro, 73, who has ruled his island nation for 41 years, said he found hope in recent congressional moves to lift restrictions on U.S. sales of food and medicine to Cuba. The House is expected to debate an agricultural bill this week to license food and medicine sales to Cuba as long as the sales are not subsidized by the federal government. The caucus, 36 voting black House members, long has supported lifting the trade sanctions. In recent months, some Republicans and business groups have joined them in seeking to open new markets. The vice president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce visited last week. ``It's interesting that some people on the other side of the aisle are looking at ending the blockade,'' Castro told the lawmakers through an interpreter. ``I find that very significant. I suppose that sometimes some issues wear down. It is a positive.'' On the 2000 presidential campaign, Castro said: ``I really disagree with both candidates for president.'' Then he joked: ``I'm going to be among the 50 percent of Americans who will go fishing on Election Day.'' The medical training offer came after Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said parts of his Mississippi Delta district have so few medical personnel and facilities that its infant mortality rate is second in the United States, behind Washington, D.C. Castro already had told the representatives about Cuba's program of sending doctors to poor areas around the Caribbean and in Africa. He suggested a new project to provide free medical training to 10 to 12 American students. ``It would be hard for your government to oppose such a program,'' Castro said. ``It would be a trial for them. Morally, how could they refuse?'' Thompson said he liked the idea and would study it. Wearing his trademark olive green uniform, Castro spoke extemporaneously on a wide range of subjects into the early hours of Sunday. He expressed gratitude to the black caucus for supporting the return to Cuba of 6-year-old Elian Gonzalez. ``We are aware the Congressional Black Caucus has shown great interest in Elian's case. His grandmothers said they were impressed with the attention they were given by the C.B.C. during their visit to the United States,'' Castro said. ``We wish to have more contacts with the Congressional Black Caucus on other issues.'' As talk turned to world politics, Castro seemed to despair, saying he doubts the current crop of world leaders offers much hope for finding solutions to crushing global issues such as the spread of AIDS. ``I've talked to thousands of Latin American politicians and European politicians and American politicians, and I'm always amazed at the amount of nonsense they speak,'' he said. ``I'm also amazed at the numbers who seem to believe the nonsense they are speaking.'' Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., chairman of the black caucus, invited a Cuban delegation, including Castro, to attend the caucus' annual legislative conference in September in Washington. Castro said he doubts he could get a visa, but Clyburn said he would try to get an exemption for the Cubans under a cultural exchange provision in current international travel law. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
[CTRL] Iran Defector Blames Tehran for Lockerbie-CBS TV
NEW YORK (Reuters) - CBS television said on Sunday that a senior Iranian intelligence service defector had claimed the bombing of a Pan Am aircraft over Scotland was masterminded by Iran and not Libya. The defector, now in protective custody in Turkey, told an associate producer of the ``60 Minutes'' current affairs program that he had documents to prove Tehran was behind the Lockerbie bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 in 1988. The Iranian, who had been in a refugee camp in Turkey, was now being de-briefed by Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officials, the program said. The CIA would only say he ``was in Iranian intelligence,'' a Washington official told CBS. CBS said its producer entered the refugee complex in disguise and without a camera to make contact with the man who claims to be Ahmad Behbahani, who coordinated all of Iran's overseas acts of terrorism for at least the past decade. ``He told us it was Iran, not Libya, that planned and directed the blowing up of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland that killed 270 people,'' the CBS program said in its introduction. ``If his story can be confirmed, and American intelligence is trying to do that right now, it would not only disrupt the trial of the two Libyans charged with that bombing, it could interfere with the Clinton administration's efforts at relaxing and improving relations with Iran,'' it added. Two Libyans, Abdel Basset al-Megrahi and Al-Amin Khalifa Fahima, who prosecutors say were intelligence agents, have been on trial since May 3 at a special Scottish court in the Netherlands, charged with murdering the 270 victims. Lawyers for the Libyans suggested they will try to prove Syrian-backed Palestinian extremists were the perpetrators in an act of revenge on behalf of Iran for the destruction of an Iranian plane by a U.S. warship six months earlier. Iran vowed the skies would ``rain blood'' after the USS Vincennes shot down an Iran Air flight in July 1988, killing 290. It was widely assumed at first that Tehran ordered the destruction of the Pan Am airliner with Syrian-sponsored help. Behbahani, who said he had lost a power struggle in Tehran, was arrested then escaped, told the CBS producer he was responsible for the Lockerbie attack. Plan Proposed To Jabril The producer said: ``It all began, he says, when he proposed the job, along with a blueprint, to Ahmed Jabril, the radical Palestinian terrorist. ``Jabril replied by saying he agreed with the plan and that he sent a list of requirements which included explosives and other things that he needed in order for the operation to be carried out.'' The producer added: ``He (Behbahani) said after that we proceeded by bringing in a group of Libyans into Iran and training them at a special site, which was called the Lavison School, for a period of 90 days, and he was very proud to also mention that the bomb was so very sophisticated that it required that kind of intensive training.'' Robert Baer, a former CIA terrorism expert, tested Behbahani for the CBS program with a ``control question'' which no one outside the intelligence community could have known. He answered correctly. Baer, who worked on the CIA's Lockerbie inquiry, told CBS: ''He's the only person that has tied Libya and Iran into Pan Am 103, into the Lockerbie bombing. This is the first authoritative source that I've ever heard that connected the two countries together. It was always a mystery.'' Baer said: ``The CIA for about 6 to 7 months accepted the hypothesis that Iran, after the shoot down of the Airbus would take revenge against the United States.'' The former agent added: ``There were pieces of solid evidence that Iran was planning to shoot down an American airliner, but none of it was absolutely conclusive. ``And then once the forensic evidence was found on the ground which pointed at Libya the prosecutors and investigators were forced to drop the Iranian angle and look at Libya instead. It was totally forgotten.'' Behbahani also told Baer he had evidence that Tehran bombed Khobar Towers, the U.S. military complex in Saudi Arabia. Nineteen 19 American soldiers were killed in the 1996 attack. The program played an audio tape of Behbahni in which he said Jabril's group under the direction of Iran, had coordinated an attack on a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires in 1994. His account named the hit squad, many of them Syrians, the program said. Before CBS could secure Behbahani's documents the Turkish authorities took him to a more secure custody. On Behbahani, the producer said: ``I traced the tone of someone who was extremely bitter, and was willing to go to any lengths in order to get revenge. He had fallen out of favor with the Iranian officials, with the government of Iran, and he just wanted to get back at them, at any cost.'' A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed.
[CTRL] Microsoft Happy in Seattle, Won't Move to Canada
SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) and Canadian officials poured cold water on reports authorities in British Columbia were trying to lure the software behemoth north amid its antitrust battle with the U.S. government. Microsoft, which has been in the Seattle area since the late 1970s and employs nearly 20,000 people in its sprawling corporate campus in Redmond, Wash., said it was staying put. ``There is no truth to the reports of any intent to move the company,'' Microsoft spokesman Jim Cullinan said Friday. A report on the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) Web site said that by moving its headquarters into Canada, Microsoft would frustrate attempts by U.S. anti-trust officials to break up the company. ``Microsoft believes we will win this (antitrust) case in the (U.S. federal) court of appeals and we are very happy here in Seattle,'' Cullinan said. The BBC report said officials in British Columbia had offered to do a deal with Microsoft that could include a loan to build a new headquarters. B.C. Investment Minister Gordon Wilson, whose office was cited as the source of the offer, said the rumor that the province had offered an incentive deal began with a California newsletter on technology stocks. ``I haven't had any formal talks with anyone with Microsoft,'' Wilson told reporters in Victoria, the province's capital. Other Canadian observers said it was unlikely that the world's biggest software company would pack up and move. ``I wouldn't put much credence in it, quite frankly,'' Darcy Rezac, managing director of the Vancouver Board of Trade, said of the BBC report. ``Microsoft may have its battles with the U.S. government, but it's an excellent corporate citizen of Seattle. The suggestion that they'd move their headquarters to Vancouver would be wonderful if it were possible, but I just wouldn't put credence in it.'' ``I think it's just a little bit of puffery coming out of California by people in the industry who think that Microsoft has been badly treated.'' said Frank Came, executive director of the Vancouver Economic Development Commission (VEDC). Cullinan said Microsoft has received suggestions over the years from countries such as Norway, Ireland and China that it should relocate its headquarters or build a large presence outside of the United States. Microsoft, founded in Albuquerque, N.M., in 1975, relocated to Bellevue, Wash. in January 1979 and to its current Redmond site in 1986. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Microsoft Happy in Seattle, Won't Move to Canada
Well this sure gives Bill Gate's enemies something to thing about. 20,000 jobs in Seattle for the American people white Clinton and his gangsters send more companies to Mexico, including Huffy Bicycle which long has been an American kids dream. So no more Huffy bicycles for me. Will find one American made. Maybe now people will wake up to the fact that this country is being sold out. Read the lastest on Cuba and the Black Caucus. Of course Jesse Jackson will have to run down there too. Strange, JFK and his son murdered, from all indications, and Cuba is about to return to Paradise Island for the big Hotels. Note this NWO is named after a Hotel, the mob's stock and trade. Where you find the halls of gambling, you will find them. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WONDER DRUG IS: WEEDKILLER [Roundup Glyphosate]
Isn't this also known as Agent Orange? Subject: [CTRL] WONDER DRUG IS: WEEDKILLER [Roundup Glyphosate] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
Weel, Nicky, I'm glad to see that the idea of "fake" abductions done by the military (and no doubt some "intelligence agencies" as well) is something you will readily agree is taking place. The fact that some are then allows the next question, that is, if SOME are definitely this, and we have some circumstantial evidence for, then why not ALL cases of REAL (ie; not the result of hallucination, mind control induced, hypnotic induced, mental aberration, false memory, etc.) abduction are done by the military? (I'm not necessarily saying they all are, but it is a legitimate question that logically follows.) You always have some fascinating things to say about alien bases and genetic experimentation and hybrid creatures. I would just love to see some real evidence for what you have posted here, it would be the conspiracy to end all conspiracies for sure. Since there is no real evidence for it, we must just look at it all as speculation by "army officer X", or some "covert warrior" who now wants to come clean, etc. Until I see something substantial that is evidence for some of thse fantastic ideas I would rather believe that the military and intelligence agencies in this country and throughout the world are using the "alien" and UFO phenomenon as covers for black operation programs. UFO-like craft for drug shipment? Abductions for genetic experimentation, that would be highly illegal and unethical if done in the open? Mind control experimentation? Implantation? Trauma based programming? Genetic sequencing for the purpose of developing biological weapons? The truth of what is going on will probably never be known for sure, but the best bets, and the best odds are on the solution that has bad old evil HUMAN BEINGS behind it all, and the only aliens are ones wearing rubber suits or created in computer imagery. Please by all means keep us posted with the latest speculation in these areas, but let it reamin speculation and not the recitation of fact. On Sat, 03 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote: Well Tenebroust, I think we can safely say that American abductions could sometimes be the military because they sometimes pretend they are aliens by using virtual reality scenarios. But the American govt did build about 50 bases for the greys which was done by Rand Corp. I'll find the info. English people seldom get abducted by greys according to a UK UFO mag. Abductees in US have gone underground to both grey and military bases.. According to Branton, there are even more greys under Los Alamos than even under Dulce, a major nesting area going back to native American times. He has heard of an area near Los Alamos where the Feds bring huge shipments of cattle for picking up by grey ships on an almost daily basis. It is a forrested area southwest of Los Alamos where pictograms of 'aliens' exist. So the aliens have been in that area long before the atom-jacks came in. Also setting off nuclear blasts burns away the membrane between this dimension and the next which would allow any interdimensional entities easy access to our dimension. There is apparently more Ets seen in Nevada than some other places possibly due to the nuclear bombs. Other people in other countries have been abducted and people have seen them rising bodily into the air and going into space ships.In South America there are many stories of this. In Mexico there is a video of about 60 UFOs appearing in the sky at once when there was big crowd. Many hundreds saw them and videotaped them. Others in US have seen their partner sliding out of the window from their bed and rising into the air out into the sky. There was story about the UN Sec, prev to this one in his car watching a woman float out of her highrise apartment in NY and into a spaceship. This story is well known. A couple of Govt agents got in touch with the woman and she told them, where she went as she remembered. Nicky -Original Message- From: tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, 4 June 2000 05:02 Subject: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: Nicky; No one can say whether someone was abducted by aliens or if the thing was induced, especially from a thrid party point examination. That is the whole point. IF the experience CAN be induced, and you admit it can, then this is a logical explanation which requires no aliens at all. On the other hand the idea that "aliens" ARE abducting people just as these experiencers say they are that cannot be refuted completely, thus it remains a POSSIBILITY. On Thu, 01 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote: Sorry June its pointless talking further, eg how do we know you aren't a CIA agent? It obvious if you were you may know more for a start on this subject instead of turning this into a psychological exercise in belief systems..As for you saying I have dogma. All I said is I'm a Christian and nothing else, the rest is your 'belief
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
Most definitely Samantha, the rules apply to me as well. Since interpretation is the factor, my interpretation of Alfred's remarks was such that he implied that I did not know all the stuff he knew and thus my arguments carried no weight. His implication, in my interpretation of them, was that I was stupid, and that the fact that he knew Vallee made his arguments better than mine (when Vallee is just another person trying to grasp a multilayered phenomenon, as such even his opinion is just OPINION). My interpretation was that Alfred was trying to show his innate superiority of position in order to undermine opposing views, and as such felt justified in my satirical comments about his post. On Sat, 03 June 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: It is perfectly appropriate for someone to bring their qualifications and experience to the table during a discussion. June and Mr. Webre interpret Vallee differently. That Mr. Webre knew him and worked with him adds weight to his interpretation. "Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector" does not apply to you? Samantha In a message dated 6/3/00 12:19:08 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it certainly is good to have Alfred here. Since he has read and knows about every aspect of UFOlogy, I strongly encourage all people who doubt the ET hypothesis of UFO origins to just hang up your hats and drop it in the face of his insurmountable knowledge on the matter. I know that I am intimidated by his "I know more than you, so you should just shut up" attitude. If we were smart maybe we should just declare him the winner. ETH. . .ETH. . . ETH (reciting mantra) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Illegally funneled donations to Sen. Robert Torricelli's 1996 campaign
05:47 AM ET 06/02/00 Exec Admits Funneling Donations http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2 567029776-8b0 By JEFFREY GOLD= Associated Press Writer= NEWARK, N.J. (AP) _ Two international businessmen agreed to illegally funnel donations to Sen. Robert Torricelli's 1996 campaign, hoping their businesses might prosper if he won, one of the executives said. Cha-Kuek Koo, an executive with a South Korean conglomerate, pleaded guilty Thursday to making campaign contributions in the name of another person, admitting he recruited eight ``straw'' donors at the behest of David Chang. Chang, who operated several international trading companies, gave him $20,000 cash to reimburse the donors in Torricelli's campaign, Koo said. Koo, 54, is the fifth person to admit wrongdoing with regard to fund raising and has agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department's Campaign Financing Task Force. The task force has charged 25 people in connection with abuses in the 1996 elections. Koo could testify against Chang, who is accused of directing $23,000 in illegal donations _ separate from the $20,000 _ to the Torricelli campaign. Chang and his former aide, Audrey Yu, are to go on trial here Tuesday. Torricelli's ability to raise $9.2 million in a 1996 race he won over Rep. Richard A. Zimmer led to his appointment as chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. Torricelli is not accused of any wrongdoing. He has maintained he was unaware of the improper donations, which have since been donated to charity. Koo faces up to six months in prison, when he is sentenced Sept. 7. http://www.imagemuse.com/ = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
Why take anyone's word for what someone else believes when you can read their works for yourself. In my reading of Vallee he has stated that informants in the French military admit to engineering at least one abduction for the purposes of studying psychological phenomena and religious manifestation in light of it (certainly implying that a religious connection was seen by them as well), and in that case someone peripheral to the case DID start a religion based on the "teachings" of the "aliens", who were French military men all along. I believe he has also stated that the Rendlesham Forest encounter was staged to determine military personnel's reaction to a supposed alien encounter. At least TWO totally fake and bogus encounters. I also believe that his take on the UFO phenomenon itself is that it is a control program, something like a cybernetic psychological enhancer, in order to mold or shape cultural thought, or social behavior. I have not heard him speculate further as to it's extraterrestrial nature, but could be in error there. Needless to say, don't take my word for it read his works for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Since no one has any real evidence, at least any they are bringing forward for consideration, then his word is as good as anyone elses. Food for thought, the idea of a "Cosmic Top Secret" clearance in respect to people having some connection to UFO phenomenon in the US Military was always treated as ludicrous by many, including me. I have recently met a man who was in the military and who claims to have had that clearance level when working as a security guard at Wright Patterson AFB. I believe that this person is telling the truth, and he has stated that there were "UFO'S" at the base. I believe him when he says it. There was another man who worked for NATO in Europe who said he had the clearance as well, and he claimed to have seen documents about UFO retrievals and such. Don't know him so can't speak for his reliability or not. BUT, here is my point. I have talked to military people who say there is no such classification and to people who worked at Wright Pat. and who say there were no aliens or UFO's there, and I am inclined to believe them TOO. Now, this lends itself to one possible conclusion in my mind and that is that the security clearance was given to some people for the purpose of later denying it in order to discredit anything they had to say about what they saw or worked on. I believe these people possibly saw advanced terrestrial craft, or captured enemy aircraft and they were told it was alien so that if they talked the Air Force could then say they were cuckoo, in order to keep it all secret. These people were used, just like the person abducted by the French military and the people at Rendlesham Forest. BUT, that is just my interpretation and you can take it or leave it. On Sat, 03 June 2000, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is perfectly appropriate for someone to bring their qualifications and experience to the table during a discussion. June and Mr. Webre interpret Vallee differently. That Mr. Webre knew him and worked with him adds weight to his interpretation. Mr. Webre CLAIMS to have known and 'worked' with Jacques Vallee. I don't hear Monsieur Vallee weighing in here with his agreement. I'd like Mr. Webre to tell us which of Monsieur Vallee' books we should look in to find Monsieur Vallee acknowledging Mr. Webre's vast contributions. I suggest everyone read Jaques Vallee's books for themselves, especially "Messengers of Deception", and come to their OWN conclusions as to what Monsieur Vallee's conclusions are... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
[CTRL] Good Government Guns
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Good Government Guns Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 6:27 AM From: Howard Rothenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Good Government Guns - SNETNEWS Mailing List The American Spectator June 2000 "Good Government Guns" by James Bovard What is the difference between a private machine gun and a government machine gun? Thirty years. Two days after the April 22 raid in Little Havana, a Justice Department lawyer implored the Supreme Court to permit judges to add 30 extra years to the prison sentences of anyone who commits a violent crime with an automatic weapon. Such weapons are so heinous, the lawyer asserted, that there was no need to have a jury verdict on whether defendants actually used them; instead, a judge should have authority to throw people into prison for what's left of their lives based solely on the allegation that automatic weapons were in the same building as they were when a crime was committed. (The case involved the excessive sentences that a vindictive federal judge slapped on Branch Davidian survivors of the April 19, 1993 fire at Waco.) But government machine guns are different. As we learned from the Clinton administration and much of the media, a machine gun in the hands of a federal agent is now a symbol of benevolence and concern for a child's well-being. The ensuing battle over the raid has gone to the heart of the administration's efforts to anesthetize Americans to government. The INS attack went pretty much as planned--the agents grabbed six-year-old Elian Gonzalez and left shattered doors, a broken bed, roughed-up Cuban-Americans, and two NBC cameramen writhing in pain from stomach-kicks or rifle-butts to the head. The only problem: Associated Press stringer Alan Diaz snapped his famous photo. Administration officials scrambled to provide Americans a deeper understanding of the stunning image. Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder asserted that the boy "was not taken at the point of a gun." When challenged about the machine gun, Holder explained: "They were armed agents who went in there who acted very sensitively." Holder denied that the raid occurred at night, even though 5:15 a.m. was more than an hour before sunrise. He asserted that "the agents knocked on the door once, they waited ten seconds, they knocked on the door a second time, waited 20 seconds, then at that time went into the house." Film footage clearly shows the agents storming the front door with a battering ram within a few seconds of entering the yard. For their part, the agents made no attempt to present the residents with the dubious warrant they had squeezed out of a low-ranking federal magistrate the evening before. Television footage of an INS agent absconding with Elian showed horror on the boy's face. (One cynic commented that the female agent looked like a vampire excitedly carrying away her breakfast.) INS chief Doris Meissner assuaged concerns about the boy's well-being by revealing that Elian was given Play-Doh on the government plane that took him to Washington. Meissner declared, "The squeezing of Play-Doh is the best thing that you can do for a child who might be experiencing stress." But what's the correct dosage of Play-Doh after a child has faced a 30-round magazine? In her raid-day press conference, Attorney General Janet Reno denied Diaz's photo showed anything out of the ordinary. "As I understand it, if you look at it carefully, it shows that the gun was pointed to the side, and that the finger was not on the trigger." Admittedly the muzzle of the gun was not inside Elian's mouth, just pointed toward the man holding the boy. The Hechler and Koch MP-5 submachine gun sprays 800 rounds a minute--and a finger a half inch away from the trigger means nothing. The agent did not even have both hands on the machine gun: If the weapon had fired, he would have had no control over who got sprayed. In a puff interview on NBC's "Today" show two days later, Reno declared: "One of the things that is so very important is that the force was not used. It was a show of force that prevented people from getting hurt." Showing enough docility to be a Washington beat reporter, NBC interviewer Katie Couric made no mention of the two NBC employees who got whacked by feds during the raid. Asked about excessive force, White House Spokesman Joe Lockhart emphasized that the agents "drove up in white mini-vans"--as if vehicle color proved this was a mission of mercy. Besides, the administration had learned its Waco lesson: no tanks or Bradley Fighting Vehicles. Lockhart implored the media: "It's certainly my hope that those who are in the business of describing such things to the public will use great care and great perspective" in how they presented Diaz's photo. President Clinton stepped up to a Rose Garden microphone to announce that
Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:
The scenario as posited is possible. If it is true then it would stand to reason that there would be actual physical craft as well as whatever other high tech stuff that could be brought to bear to give it more weight and make it more convincing, including, perhaps, holographich projection, etc. My personal feeling is that there is no ultimate comeuppance, that the UFO and abduction phenomenenon are used to cover illegal black operations today. Stealth and unusual fast aircraft are seen and they are thoought to be UFO's oof "alien" origin and that suits the military just fine. It may be they are on secret missions of death, or transportation of drugs or arms, etc. Abductions are probably for the study of mind control weaponry or genetic and bilogical experimentation in the real world with unwitting subjects to get more "reliable" data than you would in approved studies (and they could be terminal studies, which could never be conducted in the open). On Sun, 04 June 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: In a message dated 6/4/00 12:38:25 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will posture another scenario the great Hoax of all time. How to achieve One World Government and total domination of the people by the New World Order? Easy: Create an Alien threat so dangerous that we are all glad to surrender our sovereignty we will be happy to surrender or Constitutional rights to combat the ET Menace. Watch and wait ET one day will manifest themselves by the thousands in our skies. Yes, that certainly fits as well. When the government creates this manifestation, do you suspect it will be holographic or physical, i.e., craft created in secret? Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: There Goes the Ozone Layer
Don't forget that the Antarctica volcano, Mt. Erebus, is a major contributor of halogens to the Antarctic atmosphere. In 1991 Mt. Erebus produced 14,600 tons of HCl and 6,600 tons of HF. "[to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: In a message dated 06/04/2000 11:40:07 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can fill a balloon with dirt and it will fall to the ground too, but I have seen dust (dirt) in the air many times. a cold (hydrogen) balloon will not float cold smoke will not float but wind can pick up either one and carry it. I have lived in West Texas so I have certainly seen a lot of dust in the air. Yes the winds can lift things into the air which are heavier than air. However these heavier particles and molecules do settle out. If you fly much, you will notice that even on windy and dusty days, the dust is mostly below 10,000 ft. But this isn't even the point. Even if minute quantities of CFC gasses make it up to above 30,000 ft. the amount is absolutely unimportant. Why? Chlorine is the culprit. Chlorine is the first C in CFC. Chlorine is what destroys ozone on contact. Chlorine is produced is great quantities by the oceans. So much so, that the chlorine in all the CFCs ever produced is negligible in comparison. The Ozone Layer is extremely important to all life on earth. The Ozone Layer is being disturbed by manmade technology. But the Ozone Layer is not being harmed by CFCs. This is the "Cover Story" which has been fed to the public. It simply is not true. Regards to All Nakano 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Conspiring Toward a Multi-Poley World
On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: Aleisha Saba wrote: Mr. Poley: I see you are Ph.D. What do you think of this speed of light being broken, I think it is a good idea. I am all for it. like sound barrier which produced really nothing but big booms in the sky and fast planes going no where. Exactly So, speed of light; does this mean Beam Me Up Scottie is here and someday we will travel to Venus on a beam from the sun or moon? I'm communicating with you from Pluto, right now. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy Dear A. Saba, In Poley's case PHD stands for Phoney Horse Doctor. That Prehensile Hebonics Director (Rabbi) FWP. --- Machine Psychology: http://www.atoma.f2s.com/atomareport.html (file #10) --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
