[CTRL] Ever Read the New Juno Service Agreement? You MUST See This One...

2001-02-03 Thread tribalzidane

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Well, I've seen it all now.  I wonder how many service agreements say things
like this, and how many Juno users are aware of it?  And no, I'm not the one
who put it all in one paragraph.  That's Juno's responsibility.  Notice how
it's so much text, nobody would dare bother to read it.

Source: http://help.juno.com/privacy/agreement.html



January 18, 2001
[...]

Section 2.5

2.5. You expressly permit and authorize Juno to (i) download to your computer
one or more pieces of software (the "Computational Software") designed to
perform computations, which may be unrelated to the operation of the Service,
on behalf of Juno (or on behalf of such third parties as may be authorized by
Juno, subject to the Privacy Statement), (ii) run the Computational Software
on your computer to perform and store the results of such computations, and
(iii) upload such results to Juno's central computers during a subsequent
connection, whether initiated by you in the course of using the Service or by
the Computational Software as further described below. In connection with
downloading and running the Computational Software, Juno may require you to
leave your computer turned on at all times, and may replace the "screen saver"
software that runs on your computer while the computer is turned on but you
are not using it. The screen saver software installed by Juno, which may
display advertisements or other images chosen by Juno, is an integral part of
the Computational Software and you agree not to take any action to disable or
interfere with the operation of either the screen saver software or any other
component of the Computational Software. You agree that, as between you and
Juno, you shall be responsible for any costs or expenses resulting from the
continuous operation of your computer, including without limitation any
associated charges for electricity, and that you shall have sole
responsibility for any maintenance or technical issues that might result from
such continuous operation. You agree that, as between you and Juno, Juno shall
have sole rights to the results of any computations performed by the
Computational Software, including without limitation any revenues or
intellectual property generated directly or indirectly as a result of such
computations, without further compensation to you. If your usage of the
Service is infrequent, Juno's ability to obtain the results of completed
computations may be impaired. Consequently, you expressly permit and authorize
Juno to initiate a telephone connection from your computer to Juno's central
computers using a dial-in telephone number you have previously selected for
accessing the Service; Juno agrees that it shall exercise such right only to
the extent necessary, as determined in Juno's sole discretion, to upload the
results of completed computations to Juno in a timely fashion; and you agree
that, as between you and Juno, you shall be responsible for any costs and
expenses (including without limitation any applicable telephone charges)
resulting from the foregoing. Juno agrees that any software, data, or other
materials downloaded to your computer in connection with the activities
described in this Section 2.5 will comply with Juno's privacy policies, as
reflected in the Privacy Statement. You agree that you will not attempt to
reverse engineer any such software, data, or other materials or transfer or
disclose any such software, data, or other materials, or the results of any
such computations, to any third party. You acknowledge that your compliance
with the requirements of this Section 2.5 may be considered by Juno to be an
inseparable part of the Service, and that any interference with the operation
of the Computational Software (including, but not limited to, any failure to
leave your computer turned on at all times) may result in termination or
limitation of your use of the Service. You acknowledge that Section 6 of this
Agreement shall expressly apply to the activities described in this Section
2.5.

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

2001-02-03 Thread c.

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 nice thought- but it happens when you smoke it legally as well LOL

and yeah i think we are all psychotic to a degree- just a case of how we
measure it and how our authorities measure it.

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 One of my pet theories is that pothead paranoia is generated by the
 extrinsic legal risks which are involved with cannabis, thanks to our
 psychotic governments.

 By the way, does anyone know what percentage of the total population
 shows psychotic symptoms?

 --

 Mark McHugh

 It is not a sign of good health
 to be well adjusted to a sick society.
   -J. Krishnamurti

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[CTRL] Britain ambivalent on US missile plan

2001-02-03 Thread c.

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Analysis: Britain ambivalent on US missile plan



Bases in Britain could be used by the US

By Defence correspondent Jonathan Marcus
The British Government shares some of the scepticism of its European
partners towards the Clinton Administration's proposals for limited defences
against missile attack.

The National Missile Defence (NMD) and Theatre Missile Defence (TMD) systems
are aimed at defending the US against in-coming missiles.

Despite doubts, if the programme goes ahead then Britain could nonetheless
find itself playing an important supporting role.

Two US military installations in Yorkshire in the northern part of England;
Fylingdales and Menwith Hill could be critical to the missile defence
systems's success.

Fylingdales on the North Yorkshire Moors was opened in 1962 as part of the
US Ballistic Missile Early Warning System.



Radars need updating

Its golf-ball shaped radomes are a familiar landmark and its radars would
need to be upgraded to form part of the new missile defence scheme.

Initial upgrades might just involve software improvements, though an
expanded version of the US defence system would probably require the
construction of a new X-band radar at the base.

Fylingdales would provide vital mid-course tracking data on any incoming
missile which would be used to cue other radars, based in the United States
that would help guide an interceptor missile to the target.

Menwith Hill is a communications centre, pulling down information from
satellites and forwarding it to command centres in the United States.

It too would play a key role in any missile defence system in which the
rapid transmission of data is a critical element for success.

Opposition

Anti-nuclear groups like Greenpeace and the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament
have already begun to mobilise support in Britain against the use of these
facilities for missile defence.



Opposition is widespread

Some critics of the system say that the use of bases in the UK will increase
Britain's potential vulnerability to attack - it would be seen as an
accomplice of the US while not being covered by its defensive screen.

Indeed, this is a view that is widely shared in Europe where many experts
believe that a US defence system - while it may or may not lead to greater
security for the US - will certainly lead to less security for Europe.

The British Government refuses to be drawn on whether or not it would allow
US bases here to be used for this purpose, though it is almost inconceivable
that it would deny its closest ally such facilities.

Britain, along with its European partners may be privately hoping that,
given the barrage of criticism that the US plans have drawn, President
Clinton will pause for thought, thus delaying any final decisions until next
year after the US Presidential election is over.

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[CTRL] US confronts 'Star Wars' fears

2001-02-03 Thread c.

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 Saturday, 3 February, 2001, 09:16 GMT
US confronts 'Star Wars' fears



The new US Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, has strongly defended
American plans for new missile defences as he arrived in Europe to meet
critics of the system for the first time.
He said the rest of the world had nothing to fear.

Mr Rumsfeld was speaking on his way to the German city of Munich where he is
meeting his European counterparts for their annual conference on security
policy.



They know... that the systems that are being discussed are not in any way
relevant to the Russians' [nuclear force]

US defence chief Donald Rumsfeld
He dismissed suggestions that the programme - nicknamed "Son of Star Wars" -
was a threat to arms control.

But Russia and China both oppose the plan, and many western European
countries have considerable misgivings about it.

The BBC defence correspondent, Jonathan Marcus, says there is also concern
about the possible direction that the new Bush administration will take with
regard to its allies.

He says President George W Bush and his team are suspected of being less
understanding than the Clinton administration was about the EU's efforts to
craft its own defence identity.

In his first interview since taking office, Mr Rumsfeld tried to ease NMD
fears, arguing that the system envisaged by the Bush administration was too
limited to threaten the deterrent value of Russia's large nuclear force.

'Damaging relations'

"That doesn't threaten anyone. It just doesn't," he told reporters
travelling with him from Washington.

He said he had only started assessing the programme and did not plan to go
into detail about it in Munich.



Tests on the system failed last July

Mr Rumsfled has also dismissed suggestions that the programme would
contravene the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, which is one of the
cornerstones of superpower arms control.

He said it was an "open question" whether Washington would seek to modify
the ABM treaty in discussions with Russia, implying that it might opt to
withdraw from the treaty instead.

Russia has said NMD deployment would do irreparable damage to the
architecture of international relations.

But Mr Rumsfeld dismissed these objections.

"The idea that a missile defence system that is capable of dealing with
handfuls of (missiles) is going to change in any way the interaction between
the US and Russia with respect to ballistic missiles is just not correct,"
he said on Saturday.

He said it was time to get over what he described as Cold War thinking.

The defence chief is scheduled to hold private meetings with several of his
Nato counterparts, including the defence ministers of the UK, Germany and
Italy.

Correspondents say European ministers are concerned about the possibility
the US might withdraw troops from peacekeeping missions in the former
Yugoslavia.

And they say the ministers will also want to hear the Bush administration's
view of the EU's recently agreed rapid-reaction force.

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[CTRL] The battle over missile defence

2001-02-03 Thread c.

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The battle over missile defence



Some argue that missile defence will trigger an arms race

By BBC US State Department Correspondent Richard Lister
Comments by the Russian President Vladimir Putin that the US deployment of a
National Missile Defence shield would do "irreparable damage to the
architecture of international relations" may prove to be just the opening
salvo in what is likely to be a tough battle for President George W Bush
over this controversial system.

Unlike former President Bill Clinton, who was a late and reluctant convert
to NMD, Mr Bush argued all through his election campaign that it was vital
to set up a system capable of defending America from ballistic missiles
fired from countries such as North Korea, Iran and Iraq.



Russian President Putin says the missile defence system will harm
international relations

The fact that his Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, and his Secretary of
State, Colin Powell, are both advocates, means that one way or another this
is a policy initiative the Bush administration is likely to pursue with some
vigour.

Obstacles for NMD

But there are any number of minefields to be crossed along the way.

Not least is the cost, estimated by the Congressional Budget Office to be in
the region of $60bn.

That is on top of the $60bn that has already been spent researching the
concept since it was first proposed by the then President Ronald Reagan in
the 1980s.

Supporters argue that it is a small price to pay for the foolproof defence
of the nation. But so far, NMD has proved to be anything but foolproof.

Two of the first three tests of the systems failed.

A missile defence system would not defend against terrorist acts


And even if it is possible to develop the technology which will in effect
shoot a bullet with a bullet (or a laser), you are still left with the
problem of how to deal with decoys, multiple launches, or other delivery
methods.

With a missile-shield in place, aggressors might simply decide to use
alternative delivery systems for their nuclear, chemical or biological
warheads - like a truck, or a backpack, or an aerosol can.

But the Bush administration argues that the countries once known as "Rogue
States" (before being re-labelled as "States of Concern" by the Clinton
team), are all developing longer-range missiles, and it would be negligent
not to try to combat the threat.

New arms race?

Of course, combat the threat from them, and you have also gone some way to
addressing the potential threat from other countries, which brings us back
to Mr Putin.

Not only would NMD give the US a strategic edge, it would also break the
1972 Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty signed with the Soviet Union.

Mr Bush has indicated that if the treaty cannot be renegotiated he would
scrap it rather than forgo NMD.

Missile defence faces opposition from friends and foes of the US


The Russians suggest that if that happened they would have no choice but to
beef up their own armoury.

China appears to feel even more vulnerable to NMD. Because, while the new
system would be unable to defend the US from a mass strike by Russia with
its estimated 6,000 warheads, China has only about 20 ICBMs, about the size
of arsenal that NMD would be designed to combat.

Again, NMD opponents see the ingredients for a dangerous new arms race.

Concern in Europe

The Europeans too are distinctly dubious about US implementation of NMD and
are concerned about the impact on relations with Russia.

The Bush administration will have to decide the extent to which is prepared
to sacrifice diplomatic friendships and isolate strategic adversaries for
the sake of a missile shield, which is not yet proven and which could be
quickly rendered obsolete by the development of new weapons or tactics.

But for the Bush administration and its supporters, the alternative is to
leave the most powerful nation in the world vulnerable to attack from anyone
with a missile, a warhead and a hatred of the United States.

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

2001-02-03 Thread flw

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I had alot of trouble with paranoia  and psychosis in the 60's when I smoked
marijuana.I had to give it up for that reason.

So. YOU are the one who has been spying on me...plotting against me...
spreading liestrying to steal my pot
flw

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[CTRL] Man with Machete Hurts Kids in Pennsylvania School

2001-02-03 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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A couple of things pop out for me in the article below, which makes this whole event 
seem mighty suspicious,
e.g. 'staged'...

First, that the attacker says he has no idea what he was doing at the school; in and 
of itself, this perhaps
would suggest nothing...someone could be under the influence of drugs, or a psychotic, 
and have episodes of
memory loss.  But coupled with this is the fact that this guy asked that his bail be 
set at $2
million...usually people try to get their bail REDUCED, not raised to such a high 
amount that one presumably
cannot be bailed.  It is almost as if this guy WANTS to remain in jail for some 
reason, and not get released.
Is he perhaps afraid that 'someone' will get to him if he is released from custody?

Also, for all the bad stuff we read about public education and the teachers and 
principals in the public
system, it's nice to read about how heroic the principal and staff of this school were 
in trying to subdue
this guy.  I hope that the principal makes a full recovery of her injuries...


June
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REUTERS
Saturday, Feb. 3, 2001

Man with Machete Hurts Kids in Pennsylvania School

FELTON, Pa. (Reuters) - A man wielding a machete went on a rampage inside a 
Pennsylvania elementary school on
Friday, injuring five kindergartners, two teachers and the principal before staff 
members subdued him,
authorities said.

The children -- four girls and a boy, all aged 5 or 6 -- were slightly injured in the 
melee.  But a
kindergarten teacher and the principal at North Hopewell-Winterstown Elementary School 
both required surgery
for hand lacerations.

The wounds of 41-year-old principal Norina Bentzel were so severe that doctors sent 
her by air ambulance to a
hospital that specializes in reconstructive hand surgery 50 miles away in Baltimore.

State police identified the suspect as William Michael Stankewicz, 55, of Johnson 
City, Tenn., and charged him
with attempted murder, aggravated assault and possession of a weapon on school grounds.

He was jailed in the York County prison after asking that his bail be set at $2 
million, a request granted by
the district magistrate presiding over his arraignment hearing.

The outer doors of the elementary school are kept locked as a security precaution.  
But police said Stankewicz
entered the building shortly after 11:30 a.m. behind a parent and attacked Bentzel 
when the principal
confronted him in the lobby.

An ensuing struggle between the machete-wielding suspect and school staff spilled into 
a kindergarten
classroom, where five children were hit by the machete, police said.  Staff members 
finally subdued Stankewicz
in a health room at around 11:45 a.m., just before police arrived and took him into 
custody.

A 911 emergency call placed to York County Emergency Services by a panicked school 
staff member said the
assailant was also carrying a baseball bat.  But police said the report proved to be 
false.

There was no immediate word on a motive for the attack.  But during his arraignment 
hearing, Stankewicz
described himself as a former Baltimore school teacher whose Russian wife and two 
children reside in York
County.

He also said he had no idea what he was doing inside the elementary school.

A spokeswoman for Memorial Hospital in nearby York, a city about 10 miles northwest of 
Felton, said
52-year-old kindergarten teacher Linda Collier was scheduled for surgery on Friday 
evening.  Third-grade
teacher Stacey Bailey, 33, was treated for minor injuries and released.

The five injured children -- four 5-year-olds and one 6-year-old -- were treated for 
minor cuts at another
nearby hospital.

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

2001-02-03 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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Far less, I suspect, than the number of people science itself has driven insane


June

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

2001-02-03 Thread Theodor Parada, MD

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   Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

The reason they are so against it in this study and why the
government fears the weed, is that while high on it, your perception
of  what the government is (ie. NAZI, socialist pigs), becomes much
more clearer. The person stoned realizes that the government is a
crock and has no use for them, realizes that they don't need them and
are willing to get rid of them (government), that's why the study is
written against the weed. Of note, the word hashish is from the
word"hassasin" (sp), in East Indian dialect. This group of
individuals paid assassins(hassasin) would get loaded on hash and go
out and do there job for which they were hired(murdering the
opposition,ie government figures). Thats what the government fears
opposition, anarchy! LOL.

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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for
he is known and carries his banner openly, but the traitor moves amongst
those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor
appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he
wears their face and their garments, he appeals to the baseness that lies
deep in the heart's of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works
secretly and unknownest in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he
infects the body politic, so that, it can no longer resist. A murderer is
less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner

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Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner


Special report: the US elections

Martin Kettle in Washington
Monday January 29, 2001

Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the White House today as the
newly elected president of the United States, two new independent probes of
the disputed Florida election contest have confirmed.
The first survey, conducted on behalf of the Washington Post, shows that Mr
Gore had a nearly three-to-one majority among 56,000 Florida voters whose
November 7 ballot papers were discounted because they contained more than one
punched hole.

The second and separate survey, conducted on behalf of the Palm Beach Post,
shows that Mr Gore had a majority of 682 votes among the discounted "dimpled"
ballots in Palm Beach county.

In each case, if the newly examined votes had been allowed to count in the
November election, Mr Gore would have won Florida's 21 electoral college
votes by a narrow majority and he, not Mr Bush, would be the president.
Instead, Mr Bush officially carried Florida by 537 votes after recounts were
stopped.

In spite of the findings, no legal challenge to the Florida result is
possible in the light of the US supreme court's 5-4 ruling in December to
hand the state to Mr Bush. But the revelations will continue to cast a cloud,
to put it mildly, over the democratic legitimacy of Mr Bush's election.

Some 56,000 so-called "overvotes" were examined in the Washington Post
survey. All of these ballot papers were ruled to be invalid votes on November
7 because they contained two or more punched holes in the presidential
section of the ballot. Twelve Florida counties used voting machines where
voting was by punch cards in this way, and eight of them participated in the
survey: Broward, Highlands, Hillsborough, Marion, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach,
Pasco and Pinellas. None of the ballot papers in the survey formed part of
any official count or recount.

The research shows that 45,608 of the 56,000 ballot papers (87% of the total)
contained votes for Mr Gore, compared with 17,098 containing votes for Mr
Bush (33%). In 1,367 cases, voters punched every hole except that for Mr
Bush.

In cases where the voters cast invalid "overvotes" in the presidential
election, but then cast valid votes in the US senate contest lower down on
the same ballot, 70% voted Democrat, Mr Gore's party, and only 24% voted
Republican.

The disproportion was especially dramatic in Palm Beach, whose butterfly
ballot paper interleaved two lists of candidates in such a way as to show Mr
Gore's name second on the ballot paper, but to require the voter to punch the
third hole to record a vote for him.

Though no absolute conclusions can be drawn from the overvotes, the
implication that many thousands more invalidated Floridians intended to vote
for Mr Gore than for Mr Bush seems hard to resist. The survey also clearly
implies that some of Florida's voting machines were inadequate and that many
voters were confused by the procedure.

In the second survey, the Palm Beach Post examined 4,513 dimpled "undervotes"
- so named because no hole was punched in the ballot paper - and which were
excluded from the November and December manual recount process. In each case,
the Palm Beach county canvassing board ruled that no vote had been cast on
these ballots but Democratic or Republican observers disputed the ruling. The
ballots in the survey had been set aside for a possible court-ordered review
that never took place.

Of the disputed ballots, some 2,500 had dimples for Mr Gore, while 1,818 had
similar marks for Mr Bush. If they had been counted, Mr Gore would have had a
net gain of 682 votes. This would have been in addition to a separate net
gain of 174 votes from Palm Beach which was disallowed by Florida's secretary
of state.


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[CTRL] Borland Interbase backdoor exposed

2001-02-03 Thread kl

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Borland Interbase backdoor exposed
By: Kevin Poulsen
Posted: 12/01/2001 at 05:45 GMT

 A back door password has been hidden in Borland/Inprise's
popular Interbase database software for at least seven years,
potentially exposing tens of thousands of private databases at
corporations and government agencies to unauthorized access and
manipulation over the Internet, experts say.

 Analysts report that the account name 'politically' with the
password 'correct' unlocks access to Interbase versions 4.0, 5.0
and 6.0 over the Net, and on any platform. Moreover, because
Interbase has the ability to execute user-defined functions, the
back door can be used to inject malicious code into a system,
which could give an attacker administrative access to the
computer itself, according to a Wednesday advisory from Carnegie
Mellon University's Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT).

 "The back door account password cannot be changed using normal
operational commands, nor can the account be deleted from
existing vulnerable server," the CERT warning states.

 Jim Starkey, architect of the original, 1985 version of Interbase --
which did not contain a back door -- says hackers have already
begun scanning the Internet for services on TCP port 3050, the
default port for Interbase servers.

 Balance of the story:
   http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/16023.html

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Profit in Pulling the (Electrical) Plug on thePeasants

2001-02-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:

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 In a message dated 01/31/2001 11:16:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I forget the source, but it was on the TV news the other day that
 journalists
  had found that natural gas (which fuels most of the power generated in
  California) was secretly being sold by Enron and BP to foreign countries at
  prices far lower than the lowest rate charged US power companies, whom
  they've been apparently gouging for years while claiming they're losing money
  and desperately need rate increases (which of course get passed on to
  consumers by the ISOs [themselves perhaps the greediest profit-mongers
  around, judging by what I often get to see in my confidential
  litigation-support work]   ... 

 Gee, just like the pharmaceutical companies.  Perhaps if enough of us learn
 to do without their stuff  Prudy


 THAT'S YOUR SOLUTION? Do without energy and medicine?
Unbelievable!

Don't you understand that this is capitalism? You people
are so brainwashed, that you would rather give up your vital necessities
rather than get rid of the system that fucks you every single day of your
life.

Unbelievable!

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane-The Origins of the Assassins

2001-02-03 Thread c.

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The Origins of the Assassins
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/history/first12000/2.htm
The roots of the fraternity of Assassins go back to A.D. 632, the year in
which the prophet Mohammed died without leaving any designated heir. The
religion of Islam, which Mohammed founded, began in the year A.D. 622,
following the entry of the prophet into the city of Medina. It was the
culmination of a meteoric career that saw a penniless unknown emerge to
forge a religion that would unite a disorganized nation of nomads into one
of the greatest empires of the world.

Born some time between A.D. 570 and 580, Mohammed became an orphan at a very
early age and was raised in the city of Mecca by his grandfather. Although
born into poverty, he became wealthy and respectable by marrying the widow
of a rich merchant and taking over his business.

It was not until he was about forty years old that Mohammed began to feel
the proverbial "call to religion". Dissatisfied with the tribal religions
and idolatry of his fellow Arabs, and unable to accept either Judaism or
Christianity, he began to preach against the evils of the old Arab religion
and announced the coming of a new era. While he initially had no idea that
he was beginning a new religion, he did succeed in converting a number of
people to his way of thinking. Foremost among these new converts were his
wife and his cousin Ali, who was later to become Mohammed's successor.

The more he criticized the existing religion, the more his activities came
to the attention of the authorities, who looked with disfavor upon this
challenge to their own position. Persecuted, Mohammed and his tiny band of
converts fled to Abyssinia. From this relatively safe haven, Mohammed
continued to preach his message, and the more he spoke, the more the people
listened. When at last he felt that he had a strong enough following,
Mohammed brought his entire religion to Medina in present-day Saudi Arabia,
an event celebrated today as the starting point in the Arab calendar. From
that time on, the religion became so widely accepted that Mohammed was able
to overcome all opposition.

The Blood Feud

The religion of Islam which Mohammed founded was based on the recognition of
the one god, Allah, and his prophet Mohammed. When Mohammed died in A.D.
632, the new religion faced the difficult problem of choosing a successor
(caliph). Among those nominated was Ali, cousin to the prophet and one of
his first converts. Also in Ali's favor was the fact that he was the husband
of Fatima, Mohammed's only surviving daughter.

But Ali was not chosen. Instead, the office was given to an elderly man whom
Mohammed had once asked to lead the daily prayers. This first caliph did not
live very long, however, and a new successor had to be chosen. Again Ali was
skipped over. Two more caliphs were elected before Ali was finally chosen in
A.D. 656. Five years later he too was dead, the victim of a feud between
Arab factions that supported him as caliph and those who refused to accept
his appointment.

The bloodletting associated with the succession issue eventually split Islam
into two main sects, the Sunnis and the Shiites. The Sunnis saw themselves
as the upholders of orthodoxy in Islam. They contended that the people had a
right to elect whomever they wished to be caliph. The Shiites, on the other
hand, insisted that the only legitimate successors were those in whom the
blood of the Prophet himself flowed. This meant Ali and his descendants.

Although the differences between the two parties appeared to rest on the
problem of the rightful heir to the office of caliph, the animosities were
much deeper and involved basic differences in racial background and ancient
traditions. Racially, the Shiites were mainly Persians of Aryan ancestry. It
was their custom, based on a tradition that reached back to the time of the
great Persian empire, to be governed by a hereditary monarchy. The Sunnis,
who represented the majority of Arabs, were Semitic in origin. Their custom
was to elect leaders on the basis of personal merit., not blood line.

Since the Sunnis far outnumbered the Shiites, they exerted the dominant
influence in Islam. The Shiites, however, refused to accept the caliphs
chosen by the Sunnis, and instead pledged their allegiance to the family of
the Prophet. These descendants were treated as divinely inspired and
divinely appointed interpreters of the faith. Obedience to their commands,
whatever these might be, was regarded as an integral part of the religion of
Islam.

Ali's descendants were many in number, however, and while the Shiites agreed
on the fundamental principle of hereditary succession, they were often
unable to agree on who that legitimate successor ought to be. This internal
disagreement resulted in a schism within the Shiite party which eventually
led to the creation of the Ismaili sect, the party to which the Assassins
belonged.

A House Divided against Itself

The precipitating 

[CTRL] Capitalism ubber alles: Slavery? What slavery?

2001-02-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

-Caveat Lector-

Slave labor means big bucks for U.S. corporations

   January 31, 2001
   By Michael Schwartz
   Daily Bruin
   U. California-Los Angeles

   (U-WIRE) LOS ANGELES -- It seemed like a normal factory closing. U.S.
   Technologies sold its electronics plant in Austin, Texas, leaving its 150
   workers unemployed. Everyone figured they were moving the plant to Mexico,
   where they would employ workers at half the cost. But six weeks later, the
   electronics plant reopened in Austin in a nearby prison.

   At the same time, the United States blasts China for the the use of prison
   slave labor, engaging in the same practice itself. Prison labor is a pot of
   gold. No strikes, union organizing, health benefits, unemployment insurance
   or workers' compensation to pay. As if exploiting the labor of prison
   inmates was not bad enough, it is legal in the United States to use slave
   labor. The 13th Amendment of the Constitution states that "neither slavery
   nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the
   party shall have been duly convicted shall exist within the United States."

   There are approximately 2 million people behind bars in the United States --
   more than three times the number of prisoners in 1980. The United States now
   imprisons more people than any other country in the world. In fact, in the
   last 20 years California has constructed 21 new prisons while in the same
   amount of time, it has built only one new university. That statistic is even
   more astounding when we think about the fact that it took California almost
   150 years to build its first 12 prisons. Another five new prisons are under
   construction and plans are in the works to build another 10.

   The question that needs to be answered is -- why? Why are prisons such a
   booming business? The answer lies in the prison industrial complex. At the
   same time that prisons clear the streets of those you feel are a "threat" to
   society, prisons also offer jobs in construction, guarding, administration,
   health, education and food service.

   Prisons in impoverished areas often end up with inmates from the local area
   who had previously worked in the community. Often they were laid off from a
   factory job that moved overseas and they turned to alcohol or drugs, which
   ultimately landed them in prison. Others are luckier and get a job in the
   prison. One of the fastest-growing sectors of the prison industrial complex
   is private corrections companies. Private prisons also have an incentive to
   gain as many prisoners as possible and to keep them there as long as
   possible.

   Many corporations, whose products we consume on a daily basis, have learned
   that prison labor can be as profitable as using sweatshop labor in
   developing nations. You might have had a first-hand experience with a prison
   laborer if you have ever booked a flight on Trans World Airlines, since many
   of the workers making the phone reservations are prisoners. Other companies
   that use prison labor are Chevron, IBM, Motorola, Compaq, Texas Instruments,
   Honeywell, Microsoft, Victoria's Secret and Boeing. Federal prisons operate
   under the trade name Unicor and use their prisoners to make everything from
   lawn furniture to congressional desks. Their Web site proudly displays
   "where the government shops first."

   Federal safety and health standards do not protect prison labor, nor do the
   National Labor Relations Board policies. The corporations do not even have
   to pay minimum wage. In California, inmates who work for the Prison
   Industrial Authority earn wages between 30 and 95 cents per hour before
   required deductions for restitutions and fines.

   State Corrections agencies are even advertising their prisoners to
   corporations by asking these questions: "Are you experiencing high employee
   turnover? Worried about the cost of employee benefits? Getting hit by
   overseas competition? Having trouble motivating your work force? Thinking
   about expansion space? Then the Washington State Department of Corrections
   Private Sector Partnerships is for you."

   Prisons are being filled largely with the poor, the mentally ill, people of
   color, drug addicts and many combinations of these characteristics. They are
   not reserved for violent people who are extremely dangerous to society.

   In fact, of the nearly 2 million prisoners, about 150,000 are armed robbers,
   125,000 are murderers and 100,000 are sex offenders. Prisons are certainly
   not filled with corporate criminals who make up only 1 percent of our
   nation's prisons.

   In California, then-Gov. Pete Wilson signed the "three strikes and you're
   out" law in 1994. The law states that if an offender has two or more
   previous serious or violent felony convictions, the mandatory sentence for
   any new felony conviction is 25 years to life. Though people thought the
   three-strikes 

[CTRL] [Fwd: Public ownership will solve the power crisis - L.A. Weekly]

2001-02-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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 Original Message 
Subject: Public ownership will solve the power crisis - L.A. Weekly
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:27:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Eisenscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: ?
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

L.A. Weekly February 2, 2001

Power to (and From) the People!

Why outright public ownership (and not just shares in Edison)
will solve the power crisis

by Harold Meyerson

As our new president and vice president see it, California's power
crisis is simply what happens when government meddles with the iron
laws of supply and demand. If the lamps are going out all over Eureka, if
Silicon Valley is flickering at twilight, it is simply because Californians
have been too damned finicky about their air quality to build the power
plants they need. Over the past few years, after all, demand has been
soaring as the state has recovered from the deep recession of the early
'90s. The solution, obviously, is more supply - and if that spoils some
wildlife reserve or raises the shmutz-quotient of our air, well, that's just
the price of economic growth.
If we are in a crisis of supply and demand, though, why are the lights
still on here in L.A.? After all, no part of the state saw its economy dip so
low in the early- and mid-'90s as Los Angeles, where the end of the Cold
War fairly halved the size of our then-largest industry, aerospace. And
nowhere has demand grown more, as the local economy has turned from
bust to boom, than here in Los Angeles. We consume power like
nobody's business: L.A. today is home to the greatest concentration of
manufacturing in the nation, and, come to think of it, we stay up nights a
lot later than they do in Turlock. If California is truly experiencing a wave
of underproduction and overconsumption, Angelenos should be just now
lighting their candles and cursing the darkness.
Instead, we're still shooting lights across the sky at the premieres of
third-rate movies. For what California is confronting is a crisis not of
supply and demand, but of deregulation, of free-market mania, of
ideology run amok. That the lights are still on in Los Angeles is pretty
good evidence that publicly owned power companies such as our own
DWP can keep the lines humming, even as deregulated private power
companies can plunge a city into darkness if their profit margins are too
low.
Consider, for instance, how our other local power company, the
investor-owned Southern California Edison, chose to allocate its
revenues over the past several years. The state has just completed
an audit of this model corporate citizen, and discovered that of the
$7 billion that SoCalEd took in over the past five years from the
good ratepayers of Orange County and the San Gabriel Valley and
the other parts of the L.A. area not serviced by the DWP, it
forwarded $4.8 billion to its parent company, Edison International,
which paid out $1.6 billion in shareholder dividends and used $2.7
billion to buy back its stock. While the DWP was keeping its rates
low and creating cleaner and more efficient generating and
transmission facilities, Edison simply "took the money and ran," as
state Senate President John Burton put it.
Worse yet, Edison was taking money out of the community that
had been guaranteed it by the terms of the state's deregulation
package, which fixed the rates that Edison here and PGE in
Northern California could charge their customers. This was not a
ratepayer-protection provision, though it has been widely reported
as such by innumerable editorialists chastising the state for
coddling its consumers. To the contrary, it was designed to keep the
utilities' revenues higher than they otherwise would have been,
since wholesale prices were so low. The rate was fixed not to keep it
from rising above what consumers could afford, but from falling
beneath what the companies wanted. And - until wholesale prices
moved upward last year - that's precisely what it accomplished.
The editorialists thundering that California's consumers have been
unnaturally sheltered from the market, then, have it backward. For four
years, consumers paid more so that Edison shareholders could thrive.
And now that the crisis has hit, consumers are being asked - well, to pay
more so that Edison shareholders can thrive.
And thrive they will. On Monday, the Legislature began to craft a bill
that would have the state issue bonds that would fund its going into
business to purchase power from generators, that would fund the utilities'
repayment of debt, and that would authorize them to raise their rates. And
on Monday, not coincidentally, brokerage houses told their clients
that it was safe again to buy PGE and Edison stock.
Indeed, word of the pending bond issues was good news for Wall
Street not simply because it meant the investor-owned utilities were
viable again. For one 

[CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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 Original Message 
Subject: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:12:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Graffis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: ?
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

   Thursday February 1 3:47 PM ET

   By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer

   WASHINGTON (AP) - Scientists have worried for decades that the
   Antarctic ice sheet was shrinking, threatening a global rise in sea
   level. Now, satellite studies show that about 7.5 cubic miles of ice
   have eroded from a key area in just eight years.

   Melting of that much ice doesn't mean that it is time to get into
   boats, said one researcher, but the finding may be a ``yellow warning
   flag'' that confirms long-term changes are under way in the ice fields
   covering the South Polar region.

   The study, which appears Friday in the journal Science, involved
   altitude measurements of the West Antarctica Ice Sheet, the smaller of
   two major ice sheets. It covers 740,000 square miles of the frozen
   continent.

   Based on satellite measurements, said Andrew Shepherd, a University
   College London geologist and first author of the study, it appears
   that since 1992 the ice sheet has lost ice principally through the
   speeded-up movement of the Pine Island Glacier, an ice stream that
   drains about a third of the ice sheet.

   ``The Pine Island Glacier is key,'' said Shepherd. ``It is totally
   exposed to the sea, and people have identified it as the weak
   underbelly of the West Antarctica Ice Sheet.''

   Melting of the entire sheet theoretically could cause a global sea
   level rise of 25 to 45 feet, but Shepherd said that at the present
   rate of change it would take centuries for the Pine Island Glacier,
   which is only about 10 percent of the ice sheet, to affect sea level
   seriously.

   Jane Ferrigno, a U.S. Geologic Survey geologist and polar ice expert,
   said a speedup of the Pine Island Glacier, as reported by Shepherd and
   his co-authors, could foreshadow continuing changes of the West
   Antarctica Ice Sheet's ice levels.

   The glacier ``is moving faster than we thought,'' Ferrigno said.
   ``This doesn't mean it could have an effect on coastal areas around
   the world within the next few decades, but this is a yellow warning
   flag. This is an area that should be watched carefully.''

   Shepherd said eight years of satellite data show a steady trend of
   ice-sheet shrinkage, with most of the decline coming in the Pine
   Island Glacier system, which drains an area about the size of the
   Mississippi River basin.

   The Pine Island Glacier thinned by 30 to 36 feet during those eight
   years, and the glacier's grounding line - the point where sea water
   undercuts the main stem of the glacier - has pushed inland by about
   three miles.

   ``The thinning is 10 times greater than the rate of snowfall in the
   basin,'' said Shepherd. ``The speed of the glacier means that much
   more mass is going out (through melting and breaking off of icebergs)
   than is coming in.''

   Shepherd said if the present rate of change continues, the main stem
   of the Pine Island Glacier will be undercut by the sea and lifted up
   in about 600 years. When the glacier floats, it would cause a dramatic
   shift in sea level, he said.

   Understanding how fast the Pine Island Glacier is moving and the
   effect of this motion on the total West Antarctica Ice Sheet ``is of
   considerable importance'' in predicting what will happen to the ice in
   Antarctica, Ferrigno said. She said the work by Shepherd and his
   co-authors adds new data for an area of the polar continent that was
   virtually unknown before.

   Antarctica contains about 7.2 million cubic miles of ice, about 84
   percent of all the glacial ice on Earth, according to the USGS.
   Melting all the Antarctica ice would cause a global sea level rise of
   about 240 feet. Such a rise would flood virtually all the world's
   coastal areas and drown many islands.

   -

   On the Net: Science journal: [25]http://www.eurekalert.org

   USGS:
   [26]http://terraweb.wr.usgs.gov/TRS/projects/Antarctica/AVHRR.html

   USGS site for glacial volume, sea-level rise potential:
   [27]http://pubs.usgs.gov/factsheet/fs133-99/gl-vol.html

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Theodor Parada, MD

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Thursday February 1 3:47 PM ET

By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Scientists have worried for decades that the
Antarctic ice sheet was shrinking, threatening a global rise in sea
level. Now, satellite studies show that about 7.5 cubic miles of ice
have eroded from a key area in just eight years.
This is such a crock of sh-t! The sea waters won't rise, it is simple
physics. Take a glass of water and ice, let the ice melt, it doesn't
overflow (same principle). How stupid do they think people are? The
next thing they'll be screaming is, the sky is falling, the sky is
falling!!! or, Oh! what beautiful clothes the (naked) king has!.

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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
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those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor
appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he
wears their face and their garments, he appeals to the baseness that lies
deep in the heart's of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works
secretly and unknownest in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he
infects the body politic, so that, it can no longer resist. A murderer is
less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
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Re: [CTRL] Tonight on History Channel: The Crop Circle Controversy

2001-02-03 Thread inri

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   Usually they trot out a couple of elderly guys or some college
   students who say they made all the crop circles.  They must have one
   heck of a travel allotment. As the y appear all over the world.
 
  IMHO, they are made with masers or lasers from satellites, using
  templates that someone or other drew.
  Although to just what purpose, I have no idea. Perhaps to keep the
  uFO controversy going.

 If they're done by satellites (which I find more plausible than a couple
of
 geysers with two-by-fours) then the purpose would be to gain ultimate
control
 of the people.  Create a hoax, let the suspense build, then say it's
aliens
 doing it, and if we don't do as they say, the aliens have threatened to
 destroy us in probably more words than that.  I imagine that most
people
 in the world would be gullible enough to believe such a story.  Then the
real
 scientists and intellectuals would become what UFOlogists are now -- that
wild
 and crazy bunch that can't get a grip on reality.

if people did that, you'd get riots and whatnot worldwide. they're not about
to go and create more chaos...

they're just religious symbols being shot down by ruling masons using some
kind of bizarre electromagnetic waves or something. do some comparisons on
crop circles  runes, mason art, etc..

inri
np: throbbing gristle

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane-The Origins of the Assassins

2001-02-03 Thread Theodor Parada, MD

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Hey C:
Thanks for the info!

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner

2001-02-03 Thread tnohava

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Who is Martin Kettle?


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 Special report: the US elections

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"Theodor Parada, MD" wrote:

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 Thursday February 1 3:47 PM ET
 
 By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer
 
 WASHINGTON (AP) - Scientists have worried for decades that the
 Antarctic ice sheet was shrinking, threatening a global rise in sea
 level. Now, satellite studies show that about 7.5 cubic miles of ice
 have eroded from a key area in just eight years.
 This is such a crock of sh-t! The sea waters won't rise, it is simple
 physics. Take a glass of water and ice, let the ice melt, it doesn't
 overflow (same principle). How stupid do they think people are? The
 next thing they'll be screaming is, the sky is falling, the sky is
 falling!!! or, Oh! what beautiful clothes the (naked) king has!.

You are such an idiot. You are starting to rival Saba in your stupidity.
Unlike the Arctic, the Antarctic ice is mostly on solid land. Whet it melts
it becomes additional water running down to the sea.

I REALLY hope you are not a doctor for humans or pets.

Joshua2

 
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 Theodor S. Parada, MD
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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Theodor Parada, MD

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On 3 Feb 2001, at 11:42, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 You are such an idiot. You are starting to rival Saba in your stupidity.
 Unlike the Arctic, the Antarctic ice is mostly on solid land. Whet it melts
 it becomes additional water running down to the sea.

 I REALLY hope you are not a doctor for humans or pets.

 Joshua2
LOL!! Then have them prove it mathematically, they won't be able to.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Pug's Pop

2001-02-03 Thread Kris Millegan





Question: What do the Following Have in Common?

The California Energy Crisis (Enron)
Ex-Im Bank Subsidies (Enron)
Plan Columbia (DynCorp)
War on Drugs seizures in Bolivia, Peru and Colombia (DynCorp)
War on Drugs asset forfeiture and seizures in all the states of the US
(DynCorp)
Fort Hood, Texas (Waco) (DynCorp)
AIMCO (Capricorn  Harvard)
NHP/HUD Housing and Low Income Housing Subsidies (Capricorn  Harvard)
WMF/HUD Mortgage Banking (Capricorn  Harvard)
HUD low income housing and mortgage banking enforcement/Operation Safe Home
(DynCorp)
HUD data (DynCorp)
Treasury databases converting welfare recipients to electronic benefits
(DynCorp)
HHS databases  (DynCorp)
The Gulf War (DynCorp)
Kosovo (DynCorp)
Promis Software (Justice Office Consolidated Network) (DynCorp)
Non-lethal weapons research  Development (DynCorp)
The Council on Foreign Relations (Individual)
Harvard Endowment  Harvard Corporation (Of Russian, Harken and HUD
investments) (Individual  Capricorn)
The Clinton Inauguration $100,000 donor list (Individual)
Penn Central (individual)
Ron Brown's Plane Crash  (DynCorp)
Bio-warfare (DynCorp)
Advanced Genetic Research (Jackson Labs)
Tinker Air Force Base (Oklahoma City)
Mrs. Fields Cookies (Capricorn)
TCBY (Capricorn)
Human diapers/incontinence products (Capricorn)
Department of Defense (individual)

Answer: Pug Winokur

Question: Given his rich experience to forecast short term and long term
trends in population changes, why does Pug foresee rich capital gains in the
human diaper and incontinence business?







[CTRL] Fwd: Cellular Implants

2001-02-03 Thread Kris Millegan





New Scientist
1 February 2001

Silicon and cells
Electrical signals from human cells are coupled to silicon chips

Living tissue has been hooked up to electronic circuitry by scientists in
Germany. The technique could lead to implants that communicate with the body
and hybrid sensors made from biological material and silicon.
"Having solved the principal problem of coupling cellular electrical signals
with silicon electrical signals, we can now proceed to develop cellular
biosensors," says Peter Fromherz at the Max-Planck Institute for
Biochemistry, Martinsried, Germany.
Connecting living cells to silicon circuitry is difficult because cells
grown on silicon sheets do not bond to the surface. Instead they float in
their nutrient solution about 40 nanometres above it. Even though the gap is
small, it makes it very difficult for electronic devices to detect the weak
electrical signals produced by the cells. Fromherz found a way around the
problem by making cells produce larger electrical signals through their "ion
channels". These are gates in the cell membrane that pump out electrical
signals. 
Signal booster
To boost the signal, he took human kidney cells that have very few "ion
channels" - effectively a blank canvas - and added a gene for a specific
type of ion channel capable of conducting large electrical signals.
The result was a group of cells with extra ion channels capable of producing
stronger electrical signals.
When Fromherz grew the cells on a silicon transistor he found the transistor
could detect and amplify the electrical signals being pushed out of the
cells.
Erwin Neher of the Max-Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry in G)ngen
says that coupling living tissue to electronics in this way could lead to
far more sophisticated implants than we have right now: "Intelligent
prosthetic devices could be designed that allow two-way communication
between their control circuits and the nervous system."





[CTRL] Fwd: Police Pop for DynCorp: $1MM+ Per Cop

2001-02-03 Thread Kris Millegan





Let's estimate how the stock pop might work here...

DynCorp on a cost plus type contract would get an overhead factor for each
cop they field, plus administrator to oversee them.

They are advertising for police who they will pay $79-101,000 (See ad below)

So let's guess for every four cops DynCorp will need one administrator and
one clerk. So one cop is

$85,000 average cop
$85,000  cop support and management, other direct contract support

$170,000 total direct costs

Let's guess that DynCorp's overhead should be about 1- 1.5 times direct
costs. That would add another $170,000 or $255,000 in overhead for a total
direct and indirect costs of $390,000 to $425,000 per police. It would be
interesting to look at how much they can load into the overhead. It should
include costs like fees paid to lawyers and investment bankers for mergers
and acquisition fees. It would be interesting to see if it included their
costs of running their internal stock market making operation. It would
certainly include the costs of top management, etc.

Typical profit margins for federal cost plus contracts run at 5-10% so
$39,000 to $42,500 per policeman

Under these assumptions, the total cost to the American Taxpayers would be
$429,000 to $567,500 per policeman

The total increase in DynCorp stock value would be $1,170,000-1,2750,000 per
policeman (pop of 30X income based on Dyncorp's internal market making as
reported in SEC filings)

The only problem is that the American taxpayer only makes $36,000 a year,
and the people being policed make much less (what is the annual average
income in Kosovo?).  Meantime, all the guys taxing them and spending the
money are making far more.

Let's say if DynCorp gets a contract to move 50 international location for
"peacekeeping" their stock value would go up as much as $50MM plus depending
on the length of the contract.

The American people would get 0% of that $50 MM plus.

 http://copspotweb.hypermart.net/employment/open-chief.htm

DynCorp, Technical Services

International Police Officer-
$79,000 to $101,000

Indefinate
On behalf of the United States Department of State,
DynCorp Aerospace Operations (UK) Ltd.,
is seeking active, recently separated, or retired
law enforcement officers to accept a challenging
and adventurous assignment within the International
Police Programs. Officers must have a
combined total of eight (8) years work experience
with at least five (5) years being at the position
of sworn civilian law enforcement, and who are at
least 26 years of age with no maximum age
requirement. Annual compensation begins at $79,000
and may exceed $101,000.
Applications are being accepted on a continuing
basis, for immediate and future hire. Fax
Resumes' to (817) 570-2120, email Resumes' to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], or apply
immediately via our website at
www.policemission.com. To speak to a recruiter, call toll-free
1-888-466-5417.
An Equal Opportunity Employer.
http://www.policemission.com--
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[CTRL] Don't Pledge

2001-02-03 Thread kl

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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/moody7.html

With Liberty and Justice For All?
by Rob Moody

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
~ Samuel Johnson

I just read that Virginia state senator Warren Barry, a Republican
(of course), recently introduced a bill that would require students
to recite the Pledge of Allegiance or face suspension. The bill
allows students to remain silent during the pledge if they or their
parents object on religious or philosophical grounds, but Barry
originally wrote the bill to let students off the hook only with
a written excuse from their "ecclesiastical officer" – an ordained or
otherwise credentialed religious leader. "I personally don't believe
anybody should be allowed to object on a philosophical basis,"
said Barry, a statement that probably would have made the father
of his grand old party proud. Barry said he introduced the bill "to
help nurture patriotism in today’s youth." The Virginia Senate,
which probably didn’t want to look like a bunch of pinko traitors,
passed the bill 27-9 last Tuesday.

As a boy, I always dutifully recited the pledge each morning at
school.  As the patriotic, first-born child of a conservative family in
a small southern town, refusing to say the pledge was the last
thing on my mind. After I graduated from high school, my mother
began to teach at that level, and as the quality of the children in
public schools began to decline, I started hearing about students
who refused to stand for the pledge, much less recite it. I’d always
laugh when my mother would tell me how she’d tell these budding
anarchists, "As long as my son is serving in the military and
sleeping outside during the winter in the fields of Germany so you
can be free, you will stand for the pledge!"

And that’s what the pledge is all about. It never occurred to me
until I heard Marshall Fritz of The Alliance for the Separation of
School and State say the following,  which hit me like a shot to my
solar plexus: Government schools churn out men who march
obediently off to war, and women who cheer them. The welfare-
warfare state always needs an ample supply of willing cannon
fodder, and boy was I ever willing.

It’s ironic that conservatives like the pledge so much, considering
its origin. The Pledge was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy, a
Christian Socialist and Baptist minister. In his pledge, he
expressed the ideas of his cousin Edward Bellamy, author of the
socialist utopian novels Looking Backward and Equality.  As Dr.
John W. Baer wrote in The Pledge of Allegiance, A Centennial
History, 1892-1992:

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy
in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle
class could create a planned economy with political, social
and economic equality for all. The government would run a
peacetime economy similar to our present military industrial
complex.

The Pledge was published in The Youth’s Companion, the leading
family magazine…of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford,
had hired Francis as his assistant when Francis was pressured
into leaving his church in Boston because of his socialist sermons.
[I doubt that would happen today! RM] As a member of his
congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis’s sermons. Ford later
founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum….

…Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state
superintendents of education in the National Education
Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the
public schools’ quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in
1892. [This was before celebrating Columbus Day became a hate
crime. RM]  He structured this public school program around a flag
raising ceremony and a flag salute – his "Pledge of Allegiance."

What follows is Bellamy’s own account of some of the thoughts
that went through his mind as he picked the words of his Pledge:

The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the "republic
for which it stands." ...And what does that vast thing,  the Republic
mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation – the One
Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One
Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster
and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches.

So there you have it. How many times have you shown your fellow
citizens what a loyal and patriotic American you are by dutifully
reciting the pledge, without ever stopping to think about what it was
that you were doing?

One day the young son of a friend of mine told him that he doesn’t
say the pledge at school anymore. When his father asked him
why, the boy said, "Because we don’t have liberty and justice for
all anymore." I wish I had been that perceptive and courageous
when I was a boy. But now we have people like Sen. Barry, who
want to force children like my friend’s son to pledge their allegiance
to a republic that frankly no longer deserves it.

Virginia Sen. Janet Howell, a Democrat, 

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread John Cone

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--- Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Subject: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage
 From: Mark Graffis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thursday February 1 3:47 PM ET

By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Scientists have worried for
 decades that the Antarctic ice sheet was shrinking,
threatening a global rise in sea level.
Now, satellite studies show that about 7.5
cubic miles of ice have eroded from a key area
in just eight years.
The thinning is 10 times greater than the rate of
snowfall in the basin,'' said Shepherd. ``The speed of
the glacier means that much more mass is going out
(through melting and breaking off of icebergs)
than is coming in (from fresh snowfall.''


Nakano Comments:

So...satellite measurement shows the icecap
at the South Pole is shrinking. But there is no
reason given for this. Even if the greenhouse gas
global warming theory is correct, it doesn't begin
to explain this. The most alarmist reports talk in
terms of 1/2 of one degree (mean avg. temp) increase
over a 10 year period. In the Antarctic, 1/2 a
degree of difference wouldn't even melt an icecube.
But the climate-modification capabilities of
"scalar" technology (such as HAARP) does offer
a rational explanation. Are "they" melting the
anarctic ice to prevent the catastrophe Richard Noone
described in his book:
 "5/5/2000 Ice The Ultimate Disaster"??
My guess is...this is what's happening.
HAARP and other such installations are being used
to warm at least some areas of Anarctica.
This is being done to intentially shrink the
icecapnot to cause rises in sea level and
coastal floodingbut actually to prevent a
worldwide catastrophe.
Here's the situation in a nutshell.
Water evaporates from the oceans.  Some of it falls
on the earth's continents as precipitation (rain,
snow, sleet).  On the warm continents, this process
in in balance. The world's rivers return much of
the precipitation to the oceans and the cycle is
continuous.  Butnot in Anarctica.
The year-round subfreezing temperatures there
holds the water prisoner in the form of ice.
Water falls on Anarctica in the form of snow and
sleet. Under normal conditions, it never gets
warm enough for this frozen precipitation to melt
and run off the land back into the ocean.
It just remains there and piles up.  The icecap
gets thicker and thickerand heavier and heavier.
When Admiral Byrd explored the Anarctic, he erected
80ft tall radio towers in order to have communications
with the outside world. Many years later, during the
International Geophysical Year explorations (1959),
scientists found Byrd's radio towers were only
8 to 10 feet above the ice!  Since then, those
towers have been completely covered by the ice.
This continual thickening of the Anarctic icecap
poses a tremendous threat to the entire earth.

And so it may be that the hidden purpose of
intentional climate modification via HAARP-type
technology is benevolent.
However, since the earth's weather is a
"closed system", when they modify the weather in
one area of the earth, other areas are also
affected. For instance, if you increase rainfall
over one region, this will probably result in
decreased rainfall over other regions.
And sothere are unintentional side-effects.
This could be draughts in some areas...floods in
other areas...warmer winters in some areas and
colder winters in others.
These are precisely the weatherchange patterns
we are experiencing worldwide.
"They" put out an advance coverstory to provide
a plausible explanation for the strange weather.
This "coverstory" continues today.
It's all about the CFC gasses destroying the
ozone layer.  This simply is not true.
CFC (and HCFC) is too heavy to rise high into the
atmosphere and gobble up all the ozone.
But "they" knew we would notice the weather changes
and there had to be some explanation.
So they blamed it on Freon and aerosol spraycans.
So they lied.
But they had a very good reason for lying.
It could be they are saving mankind's butt.

 Regards to All
Nakano


1. Antarctica contains about 7.2 million cubic miles
of ice, about 84 percent of all the glacial ice on
Earth, according to the USGS. (U.S. Geological Survey)
Melting all the Antarctica ice would cause a global
sea level rise of about 240 feet.

2. Shepherd said eight years of satellite data show a
steady trend of ice-sheet shrinkage...The Pine Island
Glacier thinned by 30 to 36 feetin eight years,
and the glacier's grounding line - the point where sea
water undercuts the main stem of the glacier - has
pushed inland by about three miles."
``The thinning is 10 times greater than the rate of
snowfall in the basin,'' said Shepherd. ``The speed of
the glacier means that much more mass is going out
(through melting and breaking off of icebergs)
than is coming in (from fresh snowfall.''


Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

2001-02-03 Thread Agent Starling

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SMoked cheeba for many years throughout high school and such. Never had any
paranoia or insanity issues that I am aware of.  The trouble with me is more
with that I almost trashed my lungs doing this stuff many times a day and
chain smoking and even getting involved in other inhalents later on (no need
to go into that). I am a recovering pothead, I am on the wagon, but I dont
see why it has always been bashed while alcohol has been pretty much left to
reign free...aside from the prohibition of course...

I suppose its possible for some really kind bud to send someone into a
psychotic episode, but heck so can aspartame or cough drops or candy
bars...I think it would be marginally situational at best and not by any
means a constant cause and effect thing.

I will say that pot ruined my ambition. Looking back it seems like I had
little motivation except to party and to have fun...of course I was a kid
then too. Not that I am all-wise and mature now but it just seems like daily
use does deaden your senses to the fact that your motivation and drive are
compromised by the stuff--at least it was for me, I think.

Booze kills far more people a year and causes the tax payers a lot more
money a year than doobage ever will. Same with cigerettes and fast food
health issues. But I guess the government needs a scapegoat for all the
problems, and they can't blame LSD anymore sense they basically developed
it...

clarice starling

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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:05 AM
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 I had alot of trouble with paranoia  and psychosis in the 60's when I
smoked
 marijuana.I had to give it up for that reason.

 So. YOU are the one who has been spying on me...plotting against me...
 spreading liestrying to steal my pot
 flw

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Theodor Parada, MD

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The same priciple applies, if you have more snow/ice build up in the
antarctic, then you have less water in the ocean, this is essentially
a closed system!

On 3 Feb 01, at 9:17, John Cone wrote:

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 --- Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Original Message 
  Subject: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage
  From: Mark Graffis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Thursday February 1 3:47 PM ET
 
 By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer
 
 WASHINGTON (AP) - Scientists have worried for
  decades that the Antarctic ice sheet was shrinking,
 threatening a global rise in sea level.
 Now, satellite studies show that about 7.5
 cubic miles of ice have eroded from a key area
 in just eight years.
 The thinning is 10 times greater than the rate of
 snowfall in the basin,'' said Shepherd. ``The speed of
 the glacier means that much more mass is going out
 (through melting and breaking off of icebergs)
 than is coming in (from fresh snowfall.''
 

 Nakano Comments:

 So...satellite measurement shows the icecap
 at the South Pole is shrinking. But there is no
 reason given for this. Even if the greenhouse gas
 global warming theory is correct, it doesn't begin
 to explain this. The most alarmist reports talk in
 terms of 1/2 of one degree (mean avg. temp) increase
 over a 10 year period. In the Antarctic, 1/2 a
 degree of difference wouldn't even melt an icecube.
 But the climate-modification capabilities of
 "scalar" technology (such as HAARP) does offer
 a rational explanation. Are "they" melting the
 anarctic ice to prevent the catastrophe Richard Noone
 described in his book:
  "5/5/2000 Ice The Ultimate Disaster"??
 My guess is...this is what's happening.
 HAARP and other such installations are being used
 to warm at least some areas of Anarctica.
 This is being done to intentially shrink the
 icecapnot to cause rises in sea level and
 coastal floodingbut actually to prevent a
 worldwide catastrophe.
 Here's the situation in a nutshell.
 Water evaporates from the oceans.  Some of it falls
 on the earth's continents as precipitation (rain,
 snow, sleet).  On the warm continents, this process
 in in balance. The world's rivers return much of
 the precipitation to the oceans and the cycle is
 continuous.  Butnot in Anarctica.
 The year-round subfreezing temperatures there
 holds the water prisoner in the form of ice.
 Water falls on Anarctica in the form of snow and
 sleet. Under normal conditions, it never gets
 warm enough for this frozen precipitation to melt
 and run off the land back into the ocean.
 It just remains there and piles up.  The icecap
 gets thicker and thickerand heavier and heavier.
 When Admiral Byrd explored the Anarctic, he erected
 80ft tall radio towers in order to have communications
 with the outside world. Many years later, during the
 International Geophysical Year explorations (1959),
 scientists found Byrd's radio towers were only
 8 to 10 feet above the ice!  Since then, those
 towers have been completely covered by the ice.
 This continual thickening of the Anarctic icecap
 poses a tremendous threat to the entire earth.

 And so it may be that the hidden purpose of
 intentional climate modification via HAARP-type
 technology is benevolent.
 However, since the earth's weather is a
 "closed system", when they modify the weather in
 one area of the earth, other areas are also
 affected. For instance, if you increase rainfall
 over one region, this will probably result in
 decreased rainfall over other regions.
 And sothere are unintentional side-effects.
 This could be draughts in some areas...floods in
 other areas...warmer winters in some areas and
 colder winters in others.
 These are precisely the weatherchange patterns
 we are experiencing worldwide.
 "They" put out an advance coverstory to provide
 a plausible explanation for the strange weather.
 This "coverstory" continues today.
 It's all about the CFC gasses destroying the
 ozone layer.  This simply is not true.
 CFC (and HCFC) is too heavy to rise high into the
 atmosphere and gobble up all the ozone.
 But "they" knew we would notice the weather changes
 and there had to be some explanation.
 So they blamed it on Freon and aerosol spraycans.
 So they lied.
 But they had a very good reason for lying.
 It could be they are saving mankind's butt.

  Regards to All
 Nakano
 

 1. Antarctica contains about 7.2 million cubic miles
 of ice, about 84 percent of all the glacial ice on
 Earth, according to the USGS. (U.S. Geological Survey)
 Melting all the Antarctica ice would cause a global
 sea level rise of about 240 feet.

 2. Shepherd said eight years of satellite data show a
 steady trend of ice-sheet shrinkage...The Pine Island
 Glacier thinned by 30 to 36 feetin eight years,
 and the glacier's grounding line - the point where sea
 water undercuts the 

[CTRL] Annals of 'thoughtcrime'

2001-02-03 Thread kl

-Caveat Lector-

The following article makes me wonder if the segment of society
upon which the government is declaring war (white heterosexual
males) will be compensated in some way - say by lower income
tax rates or exemption from any future military draft.  After all,
those who lack full citizenship shouldn't bear the full burdens
required of "real" citizens.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/greenberg1.asp

Jewish World Review Feb. 2, 2001 / 10 Shevat, 5761
Paul Greenberg

Annals of 'thoughtcrime'

THE DEBATE over a proposed hate-crimes law here in Arkansas is
growing as confused and surreal as the concept of hate crime
itself.

The state's attorney general, Mark Pryor, explains that the law
would punish only conduct -- not thought.

Can he have read the law he's proposing? It specifically increases
the penalties (by exactly 20 percent) for crimes motivated by
prejudice. What is prejudice but a state of mind -- of thought?
What we have here is a concept that George Orwell named in
1984: "thoughtcrime.''

Not all prejudices would be equal under this law. The bill singles
out nine specific, politically incorrect prejudices that would be
punished:

"A person shall be subject to enhanced criminal penalties if the
person purposely selected the victim of a criminal offense because
of the victim's actual or perceived: (1) Race; (2) Color; (3)
Religion;
 (4) Ethnicity; (5) Ancestry; (6) National origin; (7)
Sexual orientation; (8) Gender; or (9) Disability.''

Why not a victim's class, income, dress, political affiliation,
musical taste, sports team (Damn Yankees!), regionalism (Danged
hillbillies!) or eye color? Nope, none of those prejudices are
punishable under this bill. It would still be legal in Arkansas to hate
Republicans.

This law is premised on the assumption that it's not as bad -- it's
20 percent better, actually -- to commit crimes against folks for
reasons other than those specified in the bill. Like greed, revenge,
envy or just general cussedness.

When we punish only some motivations for a crime, we necessarily
privilege other kinds. And we wind up with a dual standard of
justice: political and nonpolitical, "bias crimes'' and just plain, good
old-fashioned, red, white and blue, guaranteed 20-percent-off,
wholesome American ones.

Absurdities soon surface. Like this one: This bill makes it clear
that the 20-percent extra for crimes committed because of a
prejudice against the disabled will not apply if the disability we hate
is (a)
 compulsive gambling, (b) kleptomania, (c) pyromania, (d)
alcoholism, or (e) illegal drug use or disorders resulting therefrom.

Why the discount for those hatreds? One hesitates to guess. This
discussion is already sufficiently absurd. Which is the risk one
runs when one discusses an absurd law.

Back in the real world, it's clear enough, despite the neutral
language of the bill, that this law is intended to afford special
protection only to special kinds of Americans -- mainly ethnic,
racial, religious, and sexual minorities, plus the majority sex,
formerly the fair sex.

The bill is only ostensibly neutral. Its word games should have a
familiar ring in these latitudes. After all, the ostensibly neutral
language of states' rights (''separate but equal'') was once used to
discriminate against certain Americans. We were all separate but
equal back then, but some were definitely more equal than others.

The language of this law may be new -- it's even popular and
politically sophisticated -- but the intent is old: To punish the same
crimes more harshly when they're committed against the wrong
people. Just as black-on-white crime used to be punished more
harshly than black-on-black crime. Now we've reversed that
standard. But reverse discrimination is still discrimination.

Why not just leave the degree of punishment for vicious crimes
where it belongs -- with judges and juries -- instead of delegating
that decision to pressure groups that would make the law a
respecter of persons? Or rather a respecter of their race, color, sex
or disability.

Here is another entry in the absurdity department: The executive
director of the American Civil Liberties Union here in Arkansas, Rita
Sklar, doesn't object to this bill because it codifies the concept of
thoughtcrime. That would make too much sense.

No, she wants to change the bill to make certain that any
thoughtcrime is proven by due process. She would insist that,
before these additional penalties were handed down by a judge, the
evidence would have to show a direct link between the prejudicial
thought and the violent deed.

This is what American civil liberties have come to in the hands of
our professional civil libertarians: We're going to punish people for
bad thoughts but, by golly, we'll do it with every regard for legal
procedure. We'll require evidence!

What kind of evidence do you think that would be -- entries in a
diary, chance remarks in conversation, dirty looks given people of
another race, religion, 

[CTRL] Elites ubber alles: Elites...are we getting the point?

2001-02-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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February 3, 2001
Tapes From Fujimori Era Scandalize Peru
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/03/world/03PERU.html?pagewanted=all

By CLIFFORD KRAUSS

LIMA, Peru, Feb. 2 — They were the most closely guarded secrets of President
Alberto K. Fujimori's rule, thousands of videotapes documenting the
corruption and sexual high jinks of Peru's most powerful people that his spy
chief used to blackmail and control virtually the entire political
establishment.

Now, as Congress and an investigating judge release the tapes day by day,
they have become a national obsession, shaking the elite to its core,
stunning a mesmerized public and feeding a deep popular suspicion and
cynicism.

The tapes testify to corruption and dissolution reaching to the highest
levels of the army, Legislature, Supreme Court, business community and news
media. Virtually no quarter of power has been left unsinged.

Several of the leading candidates in the April 8 election to replace Mr.
Fujimori, who resigned in November, have already been damaged by the tapes,
which promise to define the political landscape for at least months to come
and perhaps permanently transform how politics are conducted in this Andean
country, which has been an important regional ally of the United States.

The tapes were secretly recorded by Vladimiro Montesinos, Mr. Fujimori's spy
chief and a close associate of the Central Intelligence Agency through most
of the 1990's, who is now a fugitive from justice. They show Mr. Montesinos
and his aides handing out money and giving directions to a wide array of
officials.

"The impact has been sweeping," Jos Ugaz, the state attorney who is leading
the government's investigation into the former spy chief's activities, said
in an interview. "The presidential candidates complain that the release of
the tapes is being manipulated. The public shows no interest in hearing
about government programs but only demands more videos, and the videos we
have already seen have changed the political scene."

Government officials say there is also evidence that Mr. Montesinos and his
henchmen continue to pull strings behind the scenes, spreading
disinformation in an attempt to destabilize the government, affect the
political campaign and derail the government's investigation.

The videotapes released so far show Mr. Montesinos and his associates
manipulating everything from government arms purchases, to the concession of
mining contracts to foreign companies, to the granting of private bank loans
to political allies, to the fixing of the electoral apparatus to allow Mr.
Fujimori to win a tainted re-election victory last May.

About 2,400 tapes were captured late last year from Mr. Montesinos's offices
and a Lima apartment as he and Mr. Fujimori were forced to resign and take
flight under a cloud of scandal. Mr. Fujimori remains in exile in Japan,
while Mr. Montesinos's whereabouts have remained a mystery since he
reportedly underwent plastic surgery in Venezuela in December.

"The videos show that Montesinos had absolute control over the public
institutions of this country," Mr. Ugaz said. "And he taped absolutely
everything." By Mr. Ugaz's count, the tapes have already helped lead to the
arrests of eight active and retired generals, one Fujimori cabinet minister,
two senior government prosecutors and one mayor.

Four of the Supreme Court's 25 members are under investigation, three of
whom were suspended from their judicial duties this week, accused of links
to Mr. Montesinos. One congressman has been arrested, another has fled to
Miami, and five more are under investigation.

Mr. Ugaz said only 10 percent of the 700 most sensitive videos captured had
been reviewed by judges so far because the former spy chief had them
electronically scrambled, forcing a time-consuming process by which
technicians reprogram the tapes to retrieve a grainy black and white picture
and muffled audio.

Mr. Ugaz said he expected many more officials "at the highest level" to be
revealed taking bribes once all the videos are seen in the coming weeks. Law
enforcement officials are seeking hundreds, if not thousands more videos
that are believed to be hidden around Peru or spirited out of the country.

Alejandro Toledo, who ran a lively campaign against Mr. Fujimori last year
and is the front-runner in the current political contest, said last year
that a Montesinos videotape existed showing him drugged and in a
compromising position with women other than his wife. Mr. Toledo has said he
was kidnapped by government intelligence agents at the time of the taping.

The tape has yet to surface, but others reportedly exist showing prominent
people patronizing a bordello and using illegal drugs.

"There may be all sorts of bombs in the tapes," said Enrique Zileri,
director of Caretas, the country's leading political magazine. "The only
candidate who is not nervous is Alan Garci, because he was not here for
nine years," he added, referring to the former president 

[CTRL] Germs Are Bad Enough. Is Social Injustice Enough To Make You Sick?

2001-02-03 Thread kl

-Caveat Lector-

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a65b3871212.htm

Germs Are Bad Enough. Is Social Injustice Enough To Make You
Sick?

Culture/Society News
Source: Wall Street Journal
Published: 1/17/01 Author: SCOTT GOTTLIEB
Posted on 01/17/2001 07:00:23 PST by Pay now bill Clinton

Germs Are Bad Enough. Is Social Injustice Enough To Make You
Sick?
By SCOTT GOTTLIEB
In the early 1990s, some influential doctors
  touted experimental bone-marrow transplants as a breakthrough
cure for breast cancer. But many ill women couldn't get one.
Insurance companies refused to pay.

Women's groups cried foul, of course, including the National
Organization for  Women, which saw such a refusal as evidence of
sexual discrimination. Many insurers relented, exploding the
number of transplants performed, although no rigorous studies had
yet shown whether the $150,000 procedure really worked. Luckily,
some other insurers helped fund four large trials for exactly that
purpose.

When the trials were done, it turned out that the transplants were
probably killing more women than they cured.

Identity politics comes to the medical profession
Doctors in training are taught "evidence-based medicine." But in
the case of such bone-marrow transplants and other procedures
these days, the best medical evidence may collide with social
goals and ideological expectations. And when it does, accusations
of racial and sexual bias are never far behind. This is hardly
surprising, argues Sally Satel in "PC, M.D." (Basic, 285 pages,
$27), her excellent study of medicine and society. It is now our
culture's habit to presume that racial and sexual discrimination lies
beneath the surface of  nearly every aspect of American life.

Dr. Satel, a practicing psychiatrist, draws on her own clinical
experience and public controversies to describe how activists are
pursuing (supposedly) better health through social justice. And she
shows how this dubious practice -- defended in the academy by
the "social production theory" of disease -- is muddling doctors'
ability to deliver good medical care.

An example? A celebrated study published last year in the New
England Journal of Medicine found differences in the treatment of
lung cancer between black and white patients. Black patients were
less likely to undergo curative surgery and to survive their illness. A
sensible person might wonder: Are black patients more likely to
have aggressive cancers, or do they "present late," showing
evidence of disease after cancer has already metastasized?

These are first-order medical questions, but the authors of the
study did not answer them, offering only invidious innuendo. That
didn't stop countless others who read the study, including the
president of the National Medical Association, an organization of
black doctors, from charging racial bias among doctors.

Another widely reported study -- published in the same journal --
looked at the number of black patients undergoing cardiac
catheterization, discovering that black patients were 40% less
likely to be referred for it than white counterparts.

This "finding," too, caused an enormous commotion. But the
journal ended up retracting the study's main conclusion six months
later, due to a misleading use of statistics in the study, an event
virtually ignored by the mainstream media.

A large share of the blame for this climate of accusation, Dr. Satel
believes, rests with public-health officials, who allow ideology to
infect their interpretation of illness and its causes, blaming large
social forces and ignoring the particulars of conduct and
environment. In my clinic, located in Spanish Harlem, black
patients are more likely to follow dietary habits that promote
diseases such as hypertension and diabetes. Unprotected sex is
common in the inner city, too, where fear of  AIDS infection is
muted by the mistaken belief that it is a "gay disease."

But the public-health crowd often ignores these kinds of unpopular
truths, substituting social goals such as income redistribution and
affirmative action for bona fide health prescriptions. As a result, the
most practical measures for fighting disease are ignored, if not
actively avoided. "Indoctrinologists who want nothing less than
revolution in the name of health," writes Dr. Satel, "have been quick
to condemn practical hygiene efforts as dangerous social
intrusion."

Little wonder that the official theme of a recent annual meeting of
the American Public Health Association was "Empowering the
Disadvantaged: Social Justice in Public Health."

Lost in the din of identity politics are real differences, among
groups, in the incidence of illness and response to therapy. For
example, certain types of new and expensive anti-hypertension
medications called ACE inhibitors don't work as well in black
patients as diuretics, an old and cheap alternative. Doctors
routinely start black patients on the older drugs, not because
they're cheaper but because they work better. Where others find

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner

2001-02-03 Thread John Cone

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--- "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner

 Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the
 White House today as the newly elected president of
 the United States, two new independent probes of
 the disputed Florida election contest have
 confirmed.
"...the revelations will continue to cast a cloud,
to put it mildly, over the democratic legitimacy of Mr
Bush's election."
__

Nakano Comments:

"Democratic legitimacy" is an illusion.
It doesn't existnot in this election
nor any other major elections in this country.
Elections are held as an "escape valve" to let
people blow off the steam of pent up anger.
"We The People" get angry over the things the
government does to us and what it fails to do
for us. If this were allowed to build with no
relief, eventually the People would rise up and
go into the streets and lynch the criminal
politiciansthere would be revolution.
To prevent this, "they" allow us to play a game
called "national elections".
In this game, there is a national chosing up of
teams. Most people who care about anything get on
one team or ther other.  There is a lot of
name-calling and shouting and blaming and finger
pointing. The annointed team captains (presidential
candidates) make a lot of promises about how they
will make things better and right some of the
wrongs done to us.
On the appointed day, the people line up and go
to the polls to decide the outcome of the game.
The people think they are "throwing the rascals out".
This serves as a national catharsis.
It's equivalent to a sublimated form of the
type show put on by professional wrestling.
The crowd gets to boo the "bad guys" and cheer for
the "good guys" and shout and scream some obscenities
and throw some popcorn.
It obviously is popular and it works.
Just look at the TV ratings for WCW.
The People pay good money for this.

National elections.same deal...same show
on a different stage.

The Gore supporters who are still cussing about
"democratic legitimacy" and arguing about
"the election being stolen" have been had.
So have the Bush supporters who are happy
because their team "won".
Nobody "won".
We the People are the losers.
We always will be unless we recognise
the illusion for what it is.
Will we ever have the opportunity or the courage
to take the "Red Pill"?

 Regards to All
   Nakano



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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"Theodor Parada, MD" wrote:

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 On 3 Feb 2001, at 11:42, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

  You are such an idiot. You are starting to rival Saba in your stupidity.
  Unlike the Arctic, the Antarctic ice is mostly on solid land. Whet it melts
  it becomes additional water running down to the sea.
 
  I REALLY hope you are not a doctor for humans or pets.
 
  Joshua2
 LOL!! Then have them prove it mathematically, they won't be able to.

Good answer. That solves it then. I'm sure THEY will be glad to oblige you.

ARE you a doctor for humans or pets?

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Samantha L.

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In a message dated 2/3/01 11:18:03 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 This is being done to intentially shrink the
  icecapnot to cause rises in sea level and
  coastal floodingbut actually to prevent a
  worldwide catastrophe.

  I don't understand why an ever-increasing build-up of ice could become
catastrophic.  Can you expalin?

Samantha

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[CTRL] They Love Us: The Anti-Libertarian Press

2001-02-03 Thread kl

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They
 http://www.lewrockwell.com/delemos/delemos11.html

They Love Us: The Anti-Libertarian Press
by Michael Gilson De Lemos

Libertarians see a certain amount of crazy press. That goes with
the territory if you seem new, are refining your message, and take
on the dark side of social institutions. The system will alternately
say your message is crazy, marginal, not new.

You’ll  be identified with those you oppose. You’ll be blamed for
every ill. Your triumphs will be blandly ascribed to others. Other’s
inanities will be ascribed on you.

You’ll be a social Rorschach Blot test. Well-meaning people will
latch on to a portion of your message, and on the rest unwittingly
project provincial ignorance, foolishness, or fear. Things ho-hum for
others, associated with you, are scandals.

Aristotle had a technical term for this in his political theory. He
called it: "That’s life in the big city."

Still, Libertarians have noticed loony rhetoric and well-meaning
mangled explanations reaching new levels – with strident attacks
and smears by establishment and government-licensed media.
Libertarians are being shot at, big time.

The reason? While many newer Libertarians are unclear on what
Libertarians have accomplished, the Establishment is very aware
that Libertarians were key players in every major positive
development in the last generation. From the collapse of the Soviet
Union to the fact that it must now figure out how to control 200 TV
stations and the internet (instead of 4 well-behaved networks and
home presses), the Establishment views Libertarians as a
headache at best – harbingers of an uncontrollable new era at
worst.

While a prominent Republican politico stated he felt Libertarians
were the shock troops of a the second phase of the American
Revolution, the question in his mind was not whether Libertarians
would endure.

It was whether either Libertarians would be a large third force
in two generations – or the militant second party facing a last ditch
union of the shattered major ones.

Like Waiting for Godot, another admitted, uncertain policymakers
are now "Waiting for the Libertarians." What can they
make of Libertarian Governor Bush advisor like Dr. Randall
Holcombe saying Libertarians have won the war of ideas?

Libertarians must coolly realize growing attacks are a positive
development, and refocus on their strengths and positive
contributions. That is what it means to be a profound moral
discipline – and international social-political movement not just
against international war, but that silent and demeaning war of
citizen against citizen built on the obsolete and dying institution of
coercive, non-rights based government.

And that is why we’re seeing, now in one week, near-identical
attacks from Right and Left, with frantic associations of Libertarians
with every ill created by the government and its pet "necessary"
monopolies and rah-rah foundations – even as Libertarians are
dismissed as minor irritants. The day is still to come when unless
a Libertarian inspector is there, the public will know the alleged
privatization, deregulation or rights-restoration is a fraud. Thus, in
the last week, three amazing anti-Libertarian articles.

We’ll see more.

From the populist-Right Liberty Lobby, Libertarians are not only
blamed for the energy crisis in California, about whose phony
privatization Libertarians actually sounded the alarm, but magnified
as conspirators of titanic economic collapse that would make
James Bond envious.

From the Left Village Voice, an attack that says the exact same
thing, in denouncing Libertarian anarchists (yay!) who will Godzilla-
like destructively control (huh?) one-third of the U.S land mass via
the Interior Department. The local-communitarian Left suddenly
loves distant bureaucracy when Libertarians annoyingly
sympathize with Indian and local eco-claims to "government" lands
Both identify Libertarians with coercive government-sweetheart
crony-capitalists who, often, are actually Democratic Contributors.
More: In a third article, officials unaware of their superior’s new line
that Libertarians are now the powerful, sinister destroyers
controlling the US economy, dismiss Libertarians as
"inconsequential crackpots" …especially when their politicians
defect.

Libertarians have no shadowy agenda, merely one a decadent
society has trouble grasping. Libertarians’ message is simple.
Government is an auto-toxic institution, reinforcing the petty
thievery people mutually inflict.

In a world where various groups define their brand of government
corruption and intolerance as all right, Libertarians are different.

Libertarians will fight any corruption, undermine any intolerance,
question any prejudice, support any voluntary option, protect
property as the wall against oppression, and be the idealists of a
new voluntary economy.

Hence Leftists paradoxically denounce Libertarian anarchic
limousine-liberals.  Rightists paradoxically denounce supposed

Re: [CTRL] Elites ubber alles: Elites...are we getting the point?

2001-02-03 Thread John Cone

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"Dirty tricks are still part of Peruvian politics.."
Gee...I'm sure glad this kind of stuff only
goes on in far off places like Peru.
We sure wouldn't want anything like this
in our country."

--- Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 February 3, 2001
 Tapes From Fujimori Era Scandalize Peru

 LIMA, Peru, Feb. 2 — They were the most closely
 guarded secrets of President Alberto K. Fujimori's
  rule, thousands of videotapes documenting the
 corruption and sexual high jinks of Peru's most
 powerful people that his spy chief used to blackmail
  and control virtually the entire political
 establishment.
(The "spy chief" is simply a Peruvian J. Edgar Hoover)

 Now, as Congress and an investigating judge release
 the tapes day by day, they have become a national
obsession, shaking the elite to its core,
stunning a mesmerized public and feeding a deep
popular suspicion and cynicism.

(And wouldn't the American public have been stunned
and mesmerized if Bill and Hillary had released
the information in those 900 missing FBI Files
which just miraculously were "found" in the family
quarters in the White House after 2 years?")

 The tapes testify to corruption and dissolution
 reaching to the highest levels of the army,
  Legislature, Supreme Court, business community
 and news media. Virtually no quarter of power has
 been left unsinged."

The corruption and dissolution reaches to the
highest levels here in the good ol USA also.
All of this is just the Peruvian version of
an American song.  Names have changed but the
story is the same.
 Nakano



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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread inri

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 WASHINGTON (AP) - Scientists have worried for decades that the
 Antarctic ice sheet was shrinking, threatening a global rise in sea
 level. Now, satellite studies show that about 7.5 cubic miles of ice
 have eroded from a key area in just eight years.
 This is such a crock of sh-t! The sea waters won't rise, it is simple
 physics. Take a glass of water and ice, let the ice melt, it doesn't
 overflow (same principle). How stupid do they think people are? The
 next thing they'll be screaming is, the sky is falling, the sky is
 falling!!! or, Oh! what beautiful clothes the (naked) king has!.

the antarctic is a continent, man. there's land underneath those ice
sheets - not water. ignoring the fact that your analogy is a bit fucked from
the getgo, think of it like this instead:

get a glass of water and drop some ice in it. does the volume increase? you
betcha...

inri (who also understands that ice is less dense than water)
np: tortoise - standards

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread inri

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 So...satellite measurement shows the icecap
 at the South Pole is shrinking. But there is no
 reason given for this. Even if the greenhouse gas
 global warming theory is correct, it doesn't begin
 to explain this. The most alarmist reports talk in
 terms of 1/2 of one degree (mean avg. temp) increase
 over a 10 year period. In the Antarctic, 1/2 a
 degree of difference wouldn't even melt an icecube.

maybe not in the centre of the bloody thing, but the outer edges of the
antaractic have always gone through yearly melting periods.
in other words, yes there ARE seasons on the outer edges of the antarctic.
the penguins that live there are grateful.
the problem is that more and more ice seems to be melting as it goes through
it's warm period, which is 0.5 degrees warmer than before.

i don't claim to know whether the greenhouse model is correct or not.
but there's no point in trying to prove it wrong unless you can replace it
with something - because global warming IS a very, very real phenomenon.

inri

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Re: [CTRL] aol e-mail virus

2001-02-03 Thread Smart News

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Dear List,

Info on the virus is below.

Sincerely, Neil

from http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2449644,00.html

an AOL-specific Trojan Horse worm has returned; it operates as an Internet
worm, stealing user passwords and it will forward "buddy-list" addresses to
the virus' author. Identified early in 2000, APSTrojan.qa has been upgraded
to a medium risk by one anti-virus software company based on incident reports
from its customers.

What it does

This worm comes as an AOL e-mail with as subject line, "hey you," and a
message which reads:

hey i finally got my pics scanned..theres like 5 or 6 of them..so just
download it and unzip it..and for you people who dont know how to then scroll
down..tell me what you think of my pics ok? if you dont know how to unzip
then follow these steps When you sign off, AOL will automatically unzip the
file, unless you have turned this feature off in your download preferences.
If you want to do it manually then On the My Files menu on the AOL toolbar,
click Download Manager. In the Download Manager window, click Show Files
Downloaded. Select my file and click Decompress
The e-mail comes with an attachment MINE.ZIP Activating this worm requires
that you first open the e-mail, and then either use AOL's automatic unzip
feature, or another utility to extract the zip file. MINE.ZIP unzips into two
files: MINE.EXE and README.TXT. README.TXT is not significant, but can be
used to identify the presence of the virus, as it contains the message, "Did
you like it? Write Back ok?="

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread inri

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 The same priciple applies, if you have more snow/ice build up in the
 antarctic, then you have less water in the ocean, this is essentially
 a closed system!

so add it up you bloody nincompoop.
when there's less snow/ice build up in the antarctic there's more water in
the ocean.
when there's more water in the ocean, the volume goes up - as the volume
goes down in the north  south.

if you're my toughest opposition, getting this phd won't be so tough after
all!

inri

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[CTRL] Jackson's lover bought house with charity cash

2001-02-03 Thread tnohava




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000143789351982rtmo=0xXxeKbqatmo=
pg=/et/01/2/2/wjack02.html
Jackson's lover bought house with charity cash
By Ben Fenton in Washington

 Citizenship Education Fund - Rainbow Push Coaltion

 Rev is in a sorry state [18 Jan '01] - New York Post

  A WOMAN who had an illegitimate child by the Rev Jesse Jackson was given
money from one of the civil rights leader's charity organisations to help
her to buy a house.
Karin Stanford, 39, the mother of Mr Jackson's daughter, bought a house in
Los Angeles for 243,000 in Dec 1999, a month after receiving 23,000 from
the Citizenship Education Fund.

The fund is registered as a charity whose board members include Mr Jackson's
wife, Jacqueline, and his sons, Jonathan and Yusef. When the scandal of the
child broke last month, Mr Jackson's allies admitted that Miss Stanford had
received money from the organisation.

They gave various explanations for it, including saying that it was for
relocation expenses, redundancy and as an advance on "future consultancy
fees". A fund spokesman confirmed yesterday that the payment had been made
but said it was up to Miss Stanford what she did with the money.




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Re: [CTRL] Annals of 'thoughtcrime'

2001-02-03 Thread inri

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 Can he have read the law he's proposing? It specifically increases
 the penalties (by exactly 20 percent) for crimes motivated by
 prejudice. What is prejudice but a state of mind -- of thought?
 What we have here is a concept that George Orwell named in
 1984: "thoughtcrime.''

a thoughtcrime, as penned in 1984, is a crime that is not committed - only
thought of being committed.
in the book, They know how to detect such things.
or, at least, they SAY they do - the book alludes to the thought that a
thoughtcrime is merely an excuse to persecute those who the state wishes to
eliminate for reasons it cannot justify in order to keep control of it's own
power.
an evolution of the stalinistic purges of the 1930's, if you will.

somebody needs a quick lesson in reading comprehension.

 "A person shall be subject to enhanced criminal penalties if the
 person purposely selected the victim

"purposely selected the victim" - this is not thoughtcrime legislation as
committing the crime is a pre-requisite to being punished.

i'm not going to bother with the rest, just pointing out that the author
isn't exactly stephen hawkings.

inri

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Re: [CTRL] secret weapons - new book on mind control and child abuse

2001-02-03 Thread Smart News

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Dear List,

I highly recommend this new book for those interested in the topics of mind
control, mk-ultra, ritual and child abuse and dissociative indentity
disorder. Information is below.

Sincerely, Neil Brick

This may be heavy for survivors to read.



"Secret Weapons - Two Sisters' Terrifying True Story of Sex, Spies and
Sabotage" Cheryl and Lynn Hersha with Dale Griffis, Ph D. and Ted Schwartz.
New Horison Press, P O Box 669 Far Hills, NJ 07931 - ISBN 0-88282-196-2

"By the time Cheryl Hersha came to the facility, knowledge of multiple
personality was so complete that doctors understood how the mind separated
into distinct ego states, each unaware of the other. First, the person
traumatized had to be both extremely intelligent and under the age of seven,
two conditions not yet understood though remaining consistent as factors. The
trauma was almost always of a sexual nature..." p. 52

"The government researchers, aware of the information in the professional
journals, decided to reverse the process (of healing from hysteric
dissociation). They decided to use selective trauma on healthy children to
create personalities capable of committing acts desired for national security
and defense." p. 53 - 54

The book also contains a variety of documents on mk-ultra and different
projects as well as reports to the Presidential Committee on Radiation and
Mind Control, including information on the Canadian lawsuit against the U.S.
Government.

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[CTRL] The Saturday Profile: Muammar Al Gaddafi

2001-02-03 Thread William Shannon
http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=44403


The Saturday Profile: Muammar Al Gaddafi


MUAMMAR Al Gaddafi is just misunderstood. The leader of Libya is not the 
international pariah of western news reports, but an original thinker loved 
by millions the world over. He is also the author of a book of allegorical 
short stories, and the inventor of a car - a green Knight Rider-ish thing 
with a pointed nose - which represents the future of motorised transport. The 
Saroukh el-Jamahiriya (Libyan rocket) was launched in 1999, on the 30th 
anniversary of the Libyan revolution, and came complete with an electronic 
defence system and a collapsible bumper which protects passengers in head-on 
collisions. 

Gaddafi is also a cultural scholar, whose findings include the little-known 
fact that William Shakespeare was an Arab (real name Sheik Espir), and that 
the Native Americans originated in Libya and Yemen. 

It is hard to tell whether Brother Gaddafi will be pleased to be back on the 
front pages of the western press, but the pictures of him embracing the freed 
prisoner, Al-Amin Khalifa Fhimah, on his return to Tripoli show that the 
Libyan leader has lost none of his taste for grotesque theatre. 

The simplistic understanding of the machinations behind the Lockerbie trial 
was that Gaddafi had sacrificed two men in return for the suspension of trade 
sanctions against Libya, but the verdict - one man guilty, one not - has 
complicated the outcome. Libya has not yet complied in full with the UN 
resolution which sets out the requirements for the abolition of the 
sanctions, and Gaddafi has wasted no time in seeking to exploit the 
differences between the pronouncements of the western governments. 

There exists a possibility that after the Foreign Office’s "assessment" of 
the latest diplomatic pronouncements, a formula will be found - some 
compensation, and the abandonment of the convicted bomber Megrahi, perhaps - 
which allows Libya back into the international family of nations. A precedent 
was set by Libya’s acceptance of "general responsibility" for the shooting of 
WPC Yvonne Fletcher in 1984 and the subsequent offer of compensation - moves 
which allowed Foreign Secretary Robin Cook to restore diplomatic relations. 

The hunger of the popular media for a simple answer to the sad riddle of 
Lockerbie - who ordered the bombing of PanAm 103? - has, if anything, played 
into his hands. The trial did not consider the chain of command which ordered 
the bombing, so Gaddafi can assume a posture of wounded innocence. 

His propaganda has an answer, anyway: visionaries are always distrusted. As 
one devotee, Prof Francis Dessart, observes on the website which carries 
Gaddafi’s name, his brand of intellect is hard to classify: "To all 
exploiters and enemies of humanity, Muammar Qadhafi [the spelling is 
transliteral] is the world’s number one ‘terrorist’. But to the oppressed, 
the exploited and the struggling people’s of the earth he is a teacher, 
guide, brother." 

Gaddafi’s vision, set out in his Green Book, is a jumbled mix of socialism 
and dogma. Elected parliaments, he argues, are demagogic, as votes can be 
bought and falsified. Only the rich get elected. Instead, he proposes The 
Third Universal Theory, a Soviet-style system of "direct democracy", based on 
tribal lines. This, he argues, has replaced capitalism and communism with the 
precepts of the Jamahiriyan era (meaning "an entity of the masses"). 

It would not do to dwell on the intellectual incoherence which is employed to 
prop up Gaddafi’s rule, but his skill as a manipulator of moods should not be 
underestimated. For example, the ITN newsreader, Trevor McDonald, recalled 
meeting Gaddafi for a television interview in 1994. 

"I rather liked Gaddafi," he observed. "He made an entrance which I’ve never 
seen in 25 years: he came from behind bushes and caressed this rose. His 
people were crawling around on their stomachs with sub-machine guns when I 
was the only person around. I thought this was farce of a high order. And yet 
one recognised this man led a country and had survived and ruthlessly kept 
his opponents at bay. 

"What I admired most was that he looked terribly smart when I saw him. He had 
Arab clothes on but beneath that there was a rather neat Italian jacket and 
after-shave which came straight out of Milan or Paris. I asked him to speak 
in English and he said he would try. It was very generous of him. That’s the 
kind of personal thing you remember. Forget his politics, he was very kind in 
the end." 

His kindness is easy to over-estimate. One of the most widely-touted theories 
about the Lockerbie bomb is that is was ordered by Gaddafi as a reprisal for 
US President Reagan’s 1986 attack on Tripoli, in which Gaddafi’s adopted 
daughter, Hanna, was killed. The bombing of Tripoli was a punishment for the 
attack on a Berlin discotheque in which two American soldiers were killed. 

Official biographies of Gaddafi 

[CTRL] Gaddafi-I Will Reveal Proof Of Bomber's Innocence!

2001-02-03 Thread William Shannon
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=004275406612046rtmo=gjZjfkguatmo=rrrq
pg=/et/01/2/2/wgad02.html


I shall reveal proof of bomber's innocence, Gaddafi announces
By David Graves

The Libyan leader claimed that on Monday he would reveal evidence that would
prove the innocence of one of his intelligence officers jailed for mass
murder. Always one for the grand gesture, Col Gaddafi stood in front of his
former house, devastated by American bombers in 1986.He warmly embraced Al
Amin Khalifa Fhimah shortly after he was flown from Holland in a Royal
Netherlands Air Force C130 Hercules aircraft. He then presented him with two
camels, one for immediate ritual slaughter.As the men hugged and walked hand
in hand around the heavily guarded compound, surrounded by jostling
television crews, Col Gaddafi insisted that the convicted Libyan, Abdelbaset
Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, was also innocent. He vowed to disclose the evidence
on Monday.The sudden announcement appeared to take his officials completely
by surprise and they were left to wonder how their maverick leader would
deliver the vital information. On Wednesday, Libyan officials had said they
"respected" the court verdict.Dressed in a brown robe and wearing a yellow
and red shirt, Col Gaddafi announced that after revealing his information the
three Scottish judges who convicted Megrahi on Wednesday would be faced with
three choices: they could resign, tell the truth or commit suicide."I have
proven evidence that he is innocent," said Col Gaddafi, as a camel was
slaughtered in a ritual gesture of homecoming for Fhimah, who spent nearly
two years in Camp Zeist, Holland. As the two men stood in front of colour
photographs of victims of the US bombing, the colonel claimed the judges had
been "influenced by the US government, by pressure from the US government".He
insisted that UN economic sanctions, suspended after the surrender of the two
men, had to be lifted immediately "or we will be in a situation of racist
aggression". The Libyan leader declined to answer whether his country would
pay compensation to relatives of the Lockerbie victims, as demanded by
Britain and America.He claimed that Libya should be compensated by the West
for the "years of sanctions suffered in the Nineties". The US bombing of
Tripoli and Benghazi in February, 1986, was in retaliation for an attack on a
Berlin nightclub in which Americans died. Referring to the attack, Col
Gaddafi said: "We must not forget the victims of the 1986 massacre."What do
countries have to say about these victims? What do the UN and America have to
say about them? Are these victims human beings or cattle?" Fhimah, who seemed
bemused by his reception, continually gave the V for victory sign.Asked by
Col Gaddafi about his morale, the former station manager of Libyan Arab
Airlines in Malta, replied: "It's good, thank God." Behind the two men was
the ruined shell of Col Gaddafi's former home and military headquarters, left
untouched since the US bombing. The colonel's adopted daughter, Hana, was
killed by an American missile.As the colonel was driven away from the
compound in a Toyota Land Cruiser, Fhimah left with his family in a white
Japanese saloon car and a camel in the back of a pick-up truck, both gifts
from his leader.The Libyan had flown into the Maitgah military air base, a
former US airfield on the outskirts of Tripoli, following his acquittal by
the Scottish court in Holland. The welcome from his family and supporters was
ecstatic and often chaotic.As the Hercules, chartered by the UN, came to a
halt a large crowd of relatives and TV crews surged to a side door narrowly
missing being hit by the aircraft's propellers. Two bemused UN security
officers, who had accompanied the Libyan, watched, shaking their heads. "I've
never seen anything like it," said one.Meanwhile, Megrahi's family spent the
day at their home next to the Kuwaiti embassy in Tripoli with relatives. The
convicted bomber has four children. His wife declined to speak to The
Telegraph.






[CTRL] Oppenheimers plan De Beers buyout

2001-02-03 Thread William Shannon
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=004275406612046rtmo=Qw9wHawRatmo=rrrq
pg=/et/01/2/2/cnbeer02.html


Oppenheimers plan De Beers buyout
By George Trefgarne, Financial Correspondent

THE restructuring of the De Beers diamond empire gathered pace yesterday when 
a consortium backed by the Oppenheimer family announced a potential offer to 
buy out other shareholders, valuing the company at $16 billion (£11 
billion).The consortium, also backed by sister company Anglo American, is 
offering about $40 per De Beers linked unit. That is a 25pc premium to the 
closing price on Wednesday and the shares immediately jumped $6.50 to $38.50 
on Nasdaq, where most are traded.The move is seen as increasing the 
Oppenheimer family's control over the company, which was founded by the 
explorer Cecil Rhodes in the 1880s. The Oppenheimers built up their stake 
during the 1930s depression. The consortium currently speaks for about 40pc 
of De Beers shares and is 45pc-owned by Anglo, 45pc by the Oppenheimer 
family, and 10pc by the government of Botswana. It is expected to offer about 
$17 in cash and around 0.3 Anglo for each De Beers linked unit.If the offer 
goes ahead, the Oppenheimers' combined stake in both De Beers and Anglo is 
likely to be worth about $9.2 billion (£6.2 billion). However, it is seen as 
a step towards answering their critics. In recent years, De Beers shares have 
been depressed as a result of the family's complex grip on the company. They 
are believed to own about 8pc of both De Beers and Anglo, and in a series of 
protective cross-holdings De Beers also owns 35pc of Anglo and Anglo owns 
32.4pc of De Beers.When Anglo moved its main listing from Johannesburg to 
London three years ago, investors demanded the family unlock the 
cross-holdings and move De Beers, too. Roger Chaplin, an analyst at brokers 
Canaccord, said this was now effectively being achieved: "This increases the 
Oppenheimer control over De Beers as they have good relations with the 
government of Botswana," he said, "but it unlocks the cross-holding."He 
added: "It is also good for Anglo shareholders. I reckon Anglo will have to 
raise $900m in cash for its share of the cash, but it will then have 10pc 
less shares in issue. That potentially adds 7pc to Anglo's share price." 
Yesterday, Anglo closed up 172p at £43.25, a gain of 4pc. However, there may 
be concerns that the Oppenheimers are getting hold of De Beers on the cheap. 
De Beers shares were trading at these levels before the Asian crisis erupted 
in 1998.Mr Chaplin said: "The prospect of another bidder coming in is zilch, 
I am afraid. Nobody is going to want to take on De Beers' problems in the 
US." De Beers controls two-thirds of the world market for rough diamonds and 
its directors are wanted by the US Department of Justice on anti-trust 
charges. "My guess is that, if shareholders complain enough, the offer might 
go up to $42-$44 a share," said Mr Chaplin.News of the offer was contained in 
a "cautionary statement" issued in Johannesburg yesterday. De Beers advised 
shareholders to "exercise caution when dealing in its linked units until a 
further announcement is made". This could take several months.If it goes 
ahead, the offer will mark the final reform of De Beers begun by Nicky 
Oppenheimer when he became chairman four years ago. He has relaxed the 
company's control over the diamond market and last month signed a deal with 
French luxury goods group LVMH to use the De Beers brand for a new upmarket 
jeweller.






Re: [CTRL] Annals of 'thoughtcrime'

2001-02-03 Thread kl

-Caveat Lector-

 Can he have read the law he's proposing? It specifically
increases
 the penalties (by exactly 20 percent) for crimes motivated by
 prejudice. What is prejudice but a state of mind -- of thought?
 What we have here is a concept that George Orwell named in
 1984:

"thoughtcrime.'' a thoughtcrime, as penned in 1984, is a crime
that is not committed - only thought of being committed.
in the book, They know how to detect such things.

And in the proposed law, apparerently "they" know how to detect
what the perpetrator was thinking when the crime was committed -
hence the 20% penalty surcharge.

or, at least, they SAY they do - the book alludes to the thought
that a
thoughtcrime is merely an excuse to persecute those who the
state wishes to
eliminate for reasons it cannot justify in order to keep control of
it's own
power.
an evolution of the stalinistic purges of the 1930's, if you will.
somebody needs a quick lesson in reading comprehension.

 "A person shall be subject to enhanced criminal penalties if the
person purposely selected the victim

"purposely selected the victim" - this is not thoughtcrime
legislation as
committing the crime is a pre-requisite to being punished.

Once again, how do "they" know how the victim was selected.

 i'm not going to bother with the rest, just pointing out that the
author
isn't exactly stephen hawkings. inri

Gee, since he doesn't meet your purist's criteria for interpretation of
literature, I guess we should all just lie down and enjoy being f**d
by reverse discrimination.

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rocks, and Academia does not have the ammunition to argue against them.  Academia 
cannot argue the rational principle that hatred of any group does not make sense; they 
dumped that when they dumped logic (as a "male" perversion).
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Re: [CTRL] Clintons To Pay for Gifts Received

2001-02-03 Thread Samantha L.

-Caveat Lector-

(By the way, the Reagan's never paid for the millions in booty they hauled
from the White House.  In fact, Nancy didn't declare her gifts on her taxes.
There was an IRS investigation and she had to pay a back taxes/fine in excess
of $1 million.)

Clintons To Pay for Gifts Received
by DEB RIECHMANN
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Trying to erase blots that marred their exit from the
White House, Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton say they will pay for nearly
half the $190,000 in gifts they opted to keep just as they were moving out.

Clinton also says he won't let taxpayers be ''taken for a ride'' paying for
his pricey post-presidential office in Manhattan.

Clinton's first days as a former president and his wife's debut as a senator
from New York have been tainted by three controversies: their decision to
tote thousands of dollars worth of china, rugs, flatware and other gifts out
of the White House; Clinton's pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich; and his
decision to rent a taxpayer-financed, $600,000-plus a year office overlooking
Central Park.
--
please see  http://www.newsday.com/ap/national/ap114.htm  for the full story.

Samantha

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[CTRL] John A. McCone-From CIA to USC

2001-02-03 Thread William Shannon
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html


From CIA to USC
Biography of a Trustee

(This essay first appeared as a leaflet at the University of Southern
California in 1977.)




Many USC students are aware that the roots of Watergate were nourished by the
dirty tricks and political intrigues of Ronald Ziegler, Dwight Chapin, Gordon
Strachan and Donald Segretti when they were students on this campus. The USC
environment during the early sixties provided these student-government power
brokers with experience and training that proved useful a decade later,
especially after cross-fertilization with the USC alumni talents of H.R.
Haldeman, Herb Klein and Herbert Kalmbach.[1]

Much less is known about USC trustee John A. McCone. His exploits make
Watergate look like a mild diversion from the workaday world of international
covert operations. While Watergate had its amusing moments, McCone's career
is much more sobering. Millions of lives have been affected by his intrigues.
When playing politics at McCone's level of sophistication, one does not
bargain with slush funds and short prison terms, but with the future of
entire nations.

McCone began in the steel industry before World War II, and from 1941-1946 he
was president and director of the California Shipbuilding Company. According
to the 1946 testimony of Ralph E. Casey of the General Accounting Office,
California Shipbuilding made $44 million in wartime profits on an investment
of $100,000.[2] After the war McCone was Deputy to the Secretary of Defense
(1948), Under Secretary of the Air Force (1950-1951), and Chairman of the
Atomic Energy commission (1958-1961).[3]

While a Cal-Tech trustee in October, 1956, McCone criticized ten Cal-Tech
scientists for supporting Adlai Stevenson's mild proposal for a nuclear test
ban. McCone, an Eisenhower campaigner, accused the scientists of being "taken
in" by Soviet propaganda and of attempting to "create fear in the minds of
the uninformed that radioactive fallout from H-bomb tests endangers life."
The scientists felt that McCone was trying to get them fired.[4]

After the Bay of Pigs fiasco, Kennedy tried to appease the right-wing by
appointing McCone as CIA director.[5] McCone's tenure at the CIA lasted from
November 29, 1961 to April 11, 1965. He became a director of ITT and a USC
trustee in 1965, while remaining a consultant for the CIA at least through
1970.[6]

McCone resigned in 1965 partly because the CIA's intelligence sources in
Vietnam were being ignored by Johnson in favor of the Pentagon's more
optimistic sources. The Pentagon Papers depict McCone as one who recognized
the futility of Vietnam sooner than most policy makers. He objected to U.S.
policy on the grounds that it could not be successful and advocated the use
of increased force.[7]

During McCone's tenure at the CIA, the secret war in Laos (secret from
Congress and the public), organized and directed by the CIA, increased to
major proportions.[8] Diem was overthrown in 1963 with CIA assistance,[9] and
the CIA ignored the Mafia/Saigon-government heroin connections that were
developing.[10] After 1965 the heroin trafficking moved to Laos in a big way
and received important logistical support from the CIA.[11]

The CIA assisted efforts to overthrow Sukarno of Indonesia in 1958,[12] but
almost nothing has been revealed about CIA involvement in the 1965 coup and
its aftermath. There is no doubt that CIA penetration of Indonesia's
post-1958 government was substantial.[13] Although Indonesia received little
attention in the wake of U.S. escalation in Vietnam, it was not a minor event
-- 300,000 to 1 million workers, peasants, intellectuals and soldiers were
slain after the coup,[14] and between 30,000 and 100,000 political prisoners
are detained today under the most wretched conditions.[15] McCone may have
had a special interest in Indonesia. While CIA director he owned $1 million
in stock from Standard Oil of California, which had extensive operations
there.[16]

While McCone was director the CIA was heavily involved in the Congo,
supplying mercenaries and arms to the supporters of Adoula and Mobutu.[17]
They also trained and equipped Tibetan rebels[18] and orchestrated many of
the events that led to military rule in Ecuador in 1963[19] and Brazil in
1964.[20] And the threat of Allende in Chile's 1964 election prompted the CIA
and other agencies to funnel up to $20 million to his opponents.[21]

Several attempts on Castro's life were sponsored by the CIA after McCone took
office, but no documentary evidence exists to counter his claim that he knew
nothing about it. McCone's successor Richard Helms is skeptical of his
testimony: "He was involved in this up to his scuppers just the way everybody
else was that was in it, and ... I don't understand how it was he didn't hear
about some of these things that he claims that he didn't."[22] Perhaps McCone
also had no knowledge of the CIA's drug experiments oon unsuspecting citizens
that occurred during his 

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Samantha L.

-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 2/3/01 1:32:55 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Serious scientist who have looked at this are
  concerned that at some point, the dynamic (spin)
  weight of the growing icecap could result in
  the entire icemass sliding off the continent
  of Anarctica and into the ocean.
  The ice would rapidly travel through the oceans
  to the equator, due to centrifugal forces.

  Thank you for the explanation.  Could this also tie in to the possible
"pole shift" theories?  I found this:

http://www.millenngroup.com/repository/planetary/poleshift.html

"Pole shift is generally believed to be due to the gradual redistribution of
mass in outer Earth's mantle and the crust. Our planet is most stable when
its most massive parts are farthest from its spin axis; that is, on the
equator. If mass redistribution were to occur somewhere on an otherwise
uniform Earth, the planet would reorient itself so that the mass
concentration would move to the equator. Over the past century, the north
pole moved about 33 feet toward eastern Canada. Most geophysicists believe
the movement is due to true polar wander (TPW), or a shift of the Earth's
entire mantle and crust relative to Earth's core."

and:

"Since at least 1936, rising, pole-directed plumes of dense mantle material
have begun to produce increasing mass anomalies in the Arctic and Antarctic
regions near the Earth's axis of rotation. Plume heads impacting the base of
the crust in the polar regions are beginning to cause earthquakes and
upheavals there, making plume presence known. The majority of these rising
masses of poleward-directed mantle material will soon cause the Earth to
rotate slightly faster, just as figure skaters develop high-speed spins by
bringing their arms inward and then up over their heads. An increase in
Earth’s spin rate of only one second per day can increase the Earth’s
equatorial bulge by about 20 inches.

Our planet’s equatorial bulge is due to the centrifugal force of its spinning
body, a force that is strongest at the equator. The force is so strong that
the figure of the Earth is like a slightly squashed sphere, its diameter at
the equator being roughly 27 miles longer than a diameter joining the poles.
The liquid ocean responds instantly to changes in planetary centrifugal
forces. If Earth’s spin rate speeds up by a few seconds per day, hot magmatic
liquids in the volcanoes of the equatorial zone will also respond, only
slightly less quickly than ocean waters, to the increased centrifugal force
there. This will cause volcanic eruptions in the “torrid areas” bordering
the equator. Such a situation should be occurring about now. If so, it will
last only a short time."
--
Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] Britain ambivalent on US missile plan

2001-02-03 Thread tribalzidane

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On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:31:40 -, "c." [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article
003c01c08dcc$8f89ee40$59b3edc1@effluvialvalve, which said:

 Analysis: Britain ambivalent on US missile plan

Is there any way that you can start your own thread without posting your
messages in reference to mine?

Just a suggestion,
Thanks

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Re: [CTRL] Britain ambivalent on US missile plan

2001-02-03 Thread c.

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i don't know what you are talking about- the last mail by you i can see is
one about crop circles- i didn't even read it- still haven't, so if it has
info about missile defences in it - then it is synchronistic, nothing more.
anyway- your tone is unreasonable and immature- even if i did pick up on a
topic of discussion and followed up on it by posting related material- what
is wrong with that? if anything if someone posted more info about a subject
i began talking about- then i would be kinda pleased i think...
i don't know what your fucking problem is- but i bet it is hard to spell.
incidently- the reason i posted the articles today was that one of them was
front page news on the bbc website- so it was only that reason that it
caught my eye this morning which made me post it.

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article
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  Analysis: Britain ambivalent on US missile plan

 Is there any way that you can start your own thread without posting your
 messages in reference to mine?

 Just a suggestion,
 Thanks

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Re: [CTRL] Clintons To Pay for Gifts Received

2001-02-03 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 02/03/2001 4:00:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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 (By the way, the Reagan's never paid for the millions in booty they hauled
 from the White House.  In fact, Nancy didn't declare her gifts on her taxes.
 There was an IRS investigation and she had to pay a back taxes/fine in excess
 of $1 million. 

I'm trying to figure it out too.  Why are the Clinton's offering to pay for
things that every other president and or his wife walked out with.  Why the
fuss about Clinton's office space.  The Republicans and the press have been
squaling about every penny the Clinton's spent for the entire time he was in
office.  Have I missed something?  Is our country so strapped that we can no
longer afford a president?  Perhaps its just the expense of a family.  We
could require only celibates be allowed to run for the presidency.   The
White House could be run along the lines of the Vatican.  No women allowed in
at all.  The expenses could be curtailed.  Less food served, for example.
When George gets things running the way Cheney wants them, he'll probably
spend a lot of time at the ranch.  That will be good.  Lights out in the
residence.  We'll save a bunch.  I'm guessing that in a few years, the
president can do the way the Dutch royal family does.  Ride to where ever
they want to go on bicycles.  We don't need Air Force One or a helicopter.
We can entertain foreign dignitaries either at McDonalds or with take-out
from same.  It wouldn't hurt if they brought food along with them to share.
We don't need all those guards either.  One guy is enough, and that would
require three for the three eight-hour shifts.  There will have to be few
extra to allow our guys to have an occasional week-end, so I guess a
staff of ten should take care of all of it.  If the president wants to feel
safe, he can go over to one of the Congessional buildings.  Maybe someone
might even buy him lunch.  He'll need to borrow paper and pencils over there,
and if he's lucky, maybe some Congressman's secretary might even type a
letter for him now and then.  It's too bad we didn't get this whole thing
through years ago.   Presidents with special talent can make extra money by
performing for the crowds who tour the White House.  It only requires a small
area where the president can stand or sit and perform.  There must be
something around that bears the presidential seal that can be used to hold
the tips he (or she) might receive.  I can hardly wait for austerity to
become the law of the land.  Prudy

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[CTRL] [radtimes] # 143

2001-02-03 Thread radman

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[radtimes] # 143

An informally produced compendium of vital irregularities.

"We're living in rad times!"
---
How to assist RadTimes-- (See ** at end.)
---
Contents:

--Protesters close oil plants
--Students Storm Indonesia Parliament
--Letter From Porto Alegre To Znet
--The Border's Growing Labor War
--Anti-Globalization Activist Jose Bove Is At It Again
--World Social Forum in Brazil news release
--This Is What Democracy Looks Like
--National Progressive Media: Who's Left?

===

Monday, 29 January, 2001

Protesters close oil plants

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1142000/1142801.stm

Poverty in the Niger Delta has driven many to protest Southern Nigerian
community activists have forced the closure of three of Shell Oil's pumping
stations.
Youths from the Ijaw communities of Delta state entered the stations on
Sunday and ordered the workers on duty to shut them down. The closure is
costing the company 40,000 barrels per day.
In a statement issued on Monday, the protesters called for the provision of
amenities such as schools and roads, as well as jobs for local people.
There is widespread anger in the region over the absence of benefits to the
indigenous population from oil revenues. Shell Oil has been a frequent
target of attack.
Talks underway
Shell Oil says it is currently holding talks with community representatives
to try and find a solution. The protesters say the stations will not
re-open until their demands are met.
Lucky Izoukumor, speaking for the Ijaw communities, said that the protest
related to Ijaw protection of a key Shell project last year.
"We protected the project with our lives," he said. "now we have nothing to
show for it.
Until our demands are met, we will not give room for Shell to work."
The oil coming from the Niger Delta provides most of Nigeria's export
earnings and government income.
Community anger
But the people living there feel they get nothing back. This is the major
source of tension in the region.
A village living next to a well producing oil worth many thousands of
dollars a year may have no clean water supply, no passable road, no
electricity, no clinic or school.
In theory, a percentage of the government's oil revenues are ploughed back
into the producing areas, and that percentage has risen in response to
growing discontent.
But residents complain that, while the money may get as far as the state
capital - even the local government headquarters - it stops there, and they
never see the benefit.
Local anger was most famously mobilised in the Ogoni area by the late Ken
Saro-Wiwa, but in all parts of the Delta protesters have blocked access
roads, occupied production platforms and, on occasion, sabotaged pipelines.

===

January 29, 2001

Students Storm Indonesia Parliament

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2001/jan/29/012900109.html

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) -- Police fired tear gas and warning shots as
thousands of rock-throwing demonstrators stormed the gates of Indonesia's
parliament on Monday in the largest protest yet against the country's
president.
Three students were badly beaten by police as running battles broke out on
the lawns of the heavily guarded legislature.
The estimated 10,000 protesters had marched through the streets of the
capital, demanding that President Abdurrahman Wahid quit over two
corruption scandals.
As the mob broke down the gates, lawmakers met in a closed session inside
the legislature to hear the results of a long-running investigation into
the two affairs that have bogged down Wahid's 15-month administration.
"Wahid must resign immediately," said Ijan, one of the students. Like many
Indonesians, he only uses one name.
Speaking to reporters at the presidential palace, Wahid dismissed the
anti-government demonstration and laughed off demands that he step down.
Even so, the size and violence of Monday's rally was reminiscent of
protests that led to the ouster of former dictator Suharto in 1998, and his
successor, B.J. Habibie, in 1999.
Police said about 1,000 supporters of Wahid had also gathered inside the
parliamentary compound. However, their calls were drowned out by the much
larger anti-Wahid demonstration outside.
Wahid has come under increasing pressure as his opponents take heart from
events in the neighboring Philippines where President Joseph Estrada was
forced to quit this month after protests and impeachment proceedings.
Analysts warned that Monday's protest in Jakarta might mark the start of a
new wave of violence in Indonesia.
"The demonstrations will continue. The students are looking at the fall of
Estrada. 

[CTRL] Critics Allege Torture of Client in Faith-Based Program

2001-02-03 Thread radman

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Critics Allege Torture of Client in Faith-Based Program

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010201/pl/charities_abuses_1.html

Critics Question Bush Charity Plan

By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer
Thursday February 1

WASHINGTON (AP) - Taking
advantage of one of George W. Bush's experiments, Teresa
Calalay sent her son to a Texas church home last year
hoping to break his pattern of legal, behavioral and work
problems. He returned weeks later, broken in other ways.
The 18-year-old's feet were swollen from severely
sprained ankles and his body was covered with hundreds
of welts, bruises and bug bites that led a doctor to file an
abuse report with police.
The home's superintendent now awaits trial on a felony
charge of unlawful restraint - and Calalay has sued the
church for what she says was a substitution of abuse for
Christianity. The home denies wrongdoing.
``I don't know where in their Bible it says you've got to
beat God into people,'' Calalay said.
Bush as president is now promoting a plan to shift more
federal social services to religious groups - as he did as
Texas governor. The idea has early bipartisan support,
though supporters of the separation of church and state are
pledging to fight it.
A review of similar state and federal initiatives shows that
beyond the political debate, these experiments have
generated allegations of financial and physical abuse,
questions of lax oversight and lawsuits questioning
whether the needy are being force-fed religion at public
expense.
Supporters, including Bush himself, offer stories of
churches freed from bureaucratic constraints that have
helped turn lives around. And they suggest religious
groups are less prone to fraud and abuse because of their
beliefs.
``Religious organizations feel accountable to a real higher
power known as God,'' said Amy Sherman, a researcher
with the conservative Hudson Institute.
Critics fear some religious groups, however well
intentioned, may not have the training and oversight needed
for success.
``I see in this faith-based initiative a situation where
people who are really unskilled in the problems they are
addressing ... are going to be given billions of dollars to
treat alcoholism and drug addiction,'' said Marc Davis,
one of Calalay's lawyers.
Congress has already allowed charitable organizations to
get government grants for some social services, such as
welfare, community development and drug treatment.
Several religious groups have been implicated in
defrauding the government in recent years, according to
federal watchdog reports. They include:
-Former officials of the New Jerusalem Church of God in
Christ in Toledo, Ohio, who pleaded guilty to defrauding
an Agriculture Department program out of $1.1 million.
-Four Hasidic Jews in New York were convicted of
stealing tens of millions of dollars in federal housing and
education money in connection with a fictitious yeshiva, a
religious school. Former President Clinton (news - web
sites) commuted their sentences before leaving office.
Critics also have filed lawsuits alleging some charities
misused tax dollars for religious advocacy.
One such suit targets Faith Works, a program that receives
government money to provide drug treatment and job
training to troubled fathers in Wisconsin. The program was
touted by Bush during the campaign and backed by Tommy
Thompson, the outgoing Wisconsin governor and incoming
secretary of health and human services.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation alleges in its suit
that the program has used tax dollars to distribute Bibles
and encourage attendance at Christian services.
Tim Patterson, Faith Works' director of operations, said
religious services ``are offered but they are not forced on
anyone.''
In Texas, a lawsuit challenges $8,000 of state money that
went to the Jobs Partnership of Washington County.
``The problem with the program was they used their funds
to buy Bibles and to teach that building a relationship with
Jesus Christ was how you found a job,'' said Jim
Harrington of the Texas Civil Rights Project, which sued.
The Rev. George Nelson Jr., the job program's director,
told The Dallas Morning News that the program was
voluntary and broke no laws.
The Baptist-run Roloff Homes near Corpus Christi, Texas,
at the center of the Calalay case, has been the target of
abuse allegations since 1973, when Texas authorities
began investigating. The Peoples Baptist Church fought the
investigation in court, but shut the homes in 1985 after
losing a U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) appeal.
Bush supported a 1997 Texas law that let church-run
homes for troubled children be accredited by private
groups rather than get a state license. That enabled Roloff
Homes to return to caring for youths, which it did in 1999
under the oversight of the Texas Association of Christian
Child Care Agencies, whose board included Peoples
Baptist pastor Wiley Cameron Sr.
In May 1999, a 17-year-old girl at the Roloff Homes
reported being 

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: "Theodor Parada, MD" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 This is such a crock of sh-t! The sea waters won't rise, it is simple
 physics. Take a glass of water and ice, let the ice melt, it doesn't
 overflow (same principle).

You may be a MD, but you're obviously no geologist.

While it is true a melting ice cube won't raise the level of the water it floats in, 
the analogy doesn't
account for the vast amount of Antartic ice that sits on bedrock.  It is THAT ice, if 
and when it melts and
the runoff runs into the sea, that would be worrisome in regards to rising sea 
levels...


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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: "Theodor Parada, MD" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  You are such an idiot. You are starting to rival Saba in your stupidity.
  Unlike the Arctic, the Antarctic ice is mostly on solid land. Whet it melts
  it becomes additional water running down to the sea.
 
  I REALLY hope you are not a doctor for humans or pets.
 
  Joshua2
 LOL!! Then have them prove it mathematically, they won't be able to.

What's to "prove", mathematically or otherwise?  Common sense would tell you that when 
LAND-BASED ice melts
off of bedrock, the runoff would cause a rise in sea level.


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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Polar Ice Sheet Shows Shrinkage]

2001-02-03 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Thank you for the explanation.  Could this also tie in to the possible
 "pole shift" theories?  I found this:

Possibly.

In the 1970s, "pole shift" and "the coming ice age" were two disaster theories "de 
rigeur"...by the 1980s, the
new Chicken Little cry was that we were facing imminent disaster due to global 
warming, and pole shift was no
longer mentioned...

Strange that a 180-degree turn was made in such a short period of time...


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[CTRL] Interesting Interview W/ Japanese WW2 Naval Officer

2001-02-03 Thread William Shannon
http://www.japantoday.com/Commentary/Today/MitsuoOkada.asp


Mitsuo Okada: Debunking War Myths
 
Many Asian nations criticize Japanese politicians whenever they visit 
Yasukuni Jinja, the controversial Shinto shrine in central Tokyo. 

The shrine honours 2.6 million Japanese soldiers killed in wars over the past 
century. 

Tens of thousands people make the pilgrimage to Yasukuni each year, including 
small, formalised groups that wear old war uniforms as they march through the 
compound to pay their respects. 

Former Imperial Navy officer Mitsuo Okada leads one of these groups. 

Okada, who now runs an imported car sales business in Fukushima, northeast of 
Tokyo, spoke with Takehiko Nomura about his wartime experience, Japan's 
Constitution and politics. 
=

Q-What made you start marching in Yasukuni?

I used to go to there every year by myself. In the 1980s, I remember seeing 
groups of people in naval uniforms marching, but they looked weird because 
they didn't know what Navy officers were supposed to wear on land. They 
should have had things like army-surplus canteens and haversacks. 
I heard the emperor [Hirohito] was a person of virtue and fine character, but 
you can't protect a country with character. 
Also, I saw one character who looked like a seaman carrying the naval ensign. 
But that would never happen. Carrying the flag is an honourable thing to do, 
and is always assigned to a senior officer. 

Anyone familiar with naval tradition would think those marchers were part of 
a comedy show. 

When my old friends invited me to join their marching group in 1990, I 
donated some gear so that we could at least look the part. I created the 
current group in 1996. 

Whenever we march, visitors to the shrine come up to us and say how much we 
look like naval officers. I have made many new friends as a result.


Q-As you know, last week Kajima (a major Japanese building contractor) agreed 
to establish a $4.6 million fund for relatives of Chinese labourers forced to 
work at a Japanese mine during World War II.


I don't know whether Japan forcibly brought Chinese and Koreans to this 
country to work or not. 

But as you know, the Soviet Union violated the non-aggression treaty with 
Japan, moved into Manchuria and uprooted about 600,000 Japanese [who were 
officers, soldiers and paramilitary personnel]. 
Japan is more like a dependent state of the United States.
And they took them to places like Siberia, where they became forced 
labourers. Some of them died there. So if we have to compensate the Chinese, 
then the Soviets should be made to pay as well. 

As for comfort women, they say Japan forcibly brought as many women as 
possible from the Korean Peninsula. 

I've read some of these women's diaries and find it hard to believe. One 
woman wrote, "There was no fighting on Sundays." That's ridiculous. There 
were a lot of blatant lies in those diaries. I think these women are just 
trying to get money. It's shameless. 
I say dump [the constitution] down the drain and let's create our own. 
What about the Japanese women who worked as comfort women? In some cases 
their parents sold them, while others did it themselves for the money. But 
you don't hear them bleating about compensation.


Q-But there is a lot of evidence and witnesses...


I say there were no comfort women as such. 

When you say comfort women, that means the master of a whorehouse takes his 
women to places like Nanking to work. There were Japanese, Taiwanese and 
Koreans. That was their job at that time.

 
Q-Speaking of Japan's Constitution, an increasing number of politicians are 
advocating constitutional amendment.


I'm opposed to any constitutional amendment. The one we have now is 
MacArthur's constitution. I say dump it down the drain and let's create our 
own.

 
Q-Do you believe Japan should be in a state of military readiness?


Is there any independent country without a military? 

Japan is more like a dependent state of the United States, spending 
taxpayers' money on the US military. We should get out of this dependency.


Q-Why do you think Japan got into World War II?


It was a ridiculous war. We got into it because of the Constitution of the 
Empire of Japan [promulgated in 1889]. Hirofumi Ito [who became Japan's first 
prime minister in 1885 and a member of the privy council in 1888] drafted the 
flawed constitution that gave the emperor enormous power. 
The Japanese public should directly elect a head of state with broad powers.
I believe that he drafted this constitution because he wanted to prevent the 
shogunate from re-emerging. 

After the Meiji emperor passed away, more and more problems emerged. As you 
know the Taisho emperor (his successor) suffered cerebral meningitis. Later, 
Korekiyo Takahashi [then finance minister] was assassinated (in 1936). These 
events led to the monumental tragedy of the Pacific War.

 
Q-When we talk about the 

Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

2001-02-03 Thread Jenny Decker

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You got that right, Junie Moon . . . .
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane


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 Far less, I suspect, than the number of people science itself has driven
insane


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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

2001-02-03 Thread Jenny Decker

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Always, Dr. Parada. Your judgement is just.  Also, you may be interested in
seeing this book:

Grinspoon, Lester, M.D. _MARIJUANA RECONSIDERED_. Cambridge: Harvard UP,
1971, rpt 1977 and 1994. Dr. Grinspoon, on the Harvard medical school
faculty, eloquently details the fundamental information behind your
comments. Persecuting and maledicting Maryjane use has always been a means
of persecuting and maledicting those who oppose the manipulations of
government.
Jenny Decker
- Original Message -
From: "Theodor Parada, MD" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane


 -Caveat Lector-

Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

 The reason they are so against it in this study and why the
 government fears the weed, is that while high on it, your perception
 of  what the government is (ie. NAZI, socialist pigs), becomes much
 more clearer. The person stoned realizes that the government is a
 crock and has no use for them, realizes that they don't need them and
 are willing to get rid of them (government), that's why the study is
 written against the weed. Of note, the word hashish is from the
 word"hassasin" (sp), in East Indian dialect. This group of
 individuals paid assassins(hassasin) would get loaded on hash and go
 out and do there job for which they were hired(murdering the
 opposition,ie government figures). Thats what the government fears
 opposition, anarchy! LOL.


 =
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 PGP Key ID 0x537C4815

 "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
 survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for
 he is known and carries his banner openly, but the traitor moves amongst
 those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
 alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor
 appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and
he
 wears their face and their garments, he appeals to the baseness that lies
 deep in the heart's of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works
 secretly and unknownest in the night to undermine the pillars of the city,
he
 infects the body politic, so that, it can no longer resist. A murderer is
 less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
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Re: [CTRL] Annals of 'thoughtcrime'

2001-02-03 Thread inri

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  Can he have read the law he's proposing? It specifically
 increases
  the penalties (by exactly 20 percent) for crimes motivated by
  prejudice. What is prejudice but a state of mind -- of thought?
  What we have here is a concept that George Orwell named in
  1984:

 "thoughtcrime.'' a thoughtcrime, as penned in 1984, is a crime
 that is not committed - only thought of being committed.
 in the book, They know how to detect such things.

 And in the proposed law, apparerently "they" know how to detect
 what the perpetrator was thinking when the crime was committed -
 hence the 20% penalty surcharge.

yes. however, a crime is still actually being committed. therefore, this is
a realcrime and not a thoughtcrime.

if johnny joe bob joe smith-jones III tattos "i hate niggers" on his
forehead, and dreams about killing blacks every night in his sleep - then he
is committing a thoughtcrime.

if he wires himself, blows up a black church while in service, somehow
survives and is convicted of a hate crime then he stopped committing a
thoughtcrime the day he wired himself.

do you understand?

  "A person shall be subject to enhanced criminal penalties if the
 person purposely selected the victim

 "purposely selected the victim" - this is not thoughtcrime
 legislation as
 committing the crime is a pre-requisite to being punished.

 Once again, how do "they" know how the victim was selected.

the same way they "know" the accused selected them - through an impartial
jury and a fair trial.
but most cases would be fairly obvious, don't you think?
the ones that aren't wouldn't make it through.

but my point was that the fact that a crime has been committed means that
this law is not thoughtcrime legislation.

  i'm not going to bother with the rest, just pointing out that the
 author
 isn't exactly stephen hawkings. inri

 Gee, since he doesn't meet your purist's criteria for interpretation of
 literature, I guess we should all just lie down and enjoy being f**d
 by reverse discrimination.

the purpose of hate crimes legislation is not to attack the white majority.
the notion that anybody in power is out to attack the white majority, when
the white elite has 99.8% of all power in this continent, is completely
laughable.
if there's any plot here it's to stir up paranoia within the racist sectors
of society, perhaps even to increase therir numbers, in order to divide 
conquer for the future when the corporations plan on reinstituting slavery
in the lower socio-economic classes through destruction of education leading
to prison/factory complexes.

but i think that's overdoing it a bit.

what we've got here is nothing more than a good
old-fashioned-gun-toting-southern-good-ol'boy-republican-christian-hick type
up to his usual braindead spouting off at the mouth. i'd bet he's voted the
party line for at least 20 years. maybe he actually believes what he's
saying. i suppose the gracious thing to do is to take pity.

hate crime legislation is about adding an extra dimension to those
absolutely disgusting crimes out there.
to answer a question in the article - yes, i'd say that committing a crime
due to racism is at LEAST 20% worse than due to greed and i'm convinced the
polls would agree with me on this.
the system is COMPLETELY, almost SOLELY, based on...INTENT!
the system already says certain types of murder are worse than others: 1st
is worse than 2nd is worse than 3rd
therefore, the system ALREADY says that some types of murder are "less
wrong" than others and "they" are ALREADY the ones trying to figure out
which title the murderer gets stuck with.
the PURPOSE of a judge/jury system is to DETERMINE INTENT.
your INTENT determines your SENTENCE.

according to you should all murder be treated as 1st? i suppose the bible
doesn't make a distinction, neither should we right?
should rape be treated as badly as murder?
should theft?
larson?
drug possession?

i mean.we can't treat one as worse, because then that says that it's ok
to do the other!
if drug possession has a lower sentence than murder, than we're saying it's
ok to do drugs!
so, should all crimes be treated as equal? that's the conclusion i'm getting
from the "logic" you're spouting...

well?
defend your lunacy!
(supposing the lunacy isn't just ignorance.)

inri

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

2001-02-03 Thread c.

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From: "Jenny Decker" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 February 2001 01:24
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane


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 Always, Dr. Parada. Your judgement is just.  Also, you may be interested
in
 seeing this book:

 Grinspoon, Lester, M.D. _MARIJUANA RECONSIDERED_. Cambridge: Harvard UP,
 1971, rpt 1977 and 1994. Dr. Grinspoon, on the Harvard medical school
 faculty, eloquently details the fundamental information behind your
 comments. Persecuting and maledicting Maryjane use has always been a means
 of persecuting and maledicting those who oppose the manipulations of
 government.
 Jenny Decker


and the manipulations always seem to be to one end- money. except for the
obvious sexual arousal. or all that purifying the race stuff- but they are
the exeptions rather than the rule.

in 1916 US department of agriculture scientists, who presumably weren't
looking forward to the consumer dreamtime but were concerned with the
destruction of the US forests, devised a method of making paper from hemp
pulp...probably this concern was prompted less by ecological considerations
than by an awareness of the pressure that the war in europe would place on
the forests. and indeed by 1918 30 million feet of spruce alone per month
was going into the war effort. but the new paper making process remained at
that time purely hypothetical, since the industrial machinery hadn't yet
been developed and wouldn't be until the 1930s.
nevertheless it remained as an ominous threat hovering over the vast US
paper industry, with its massive investments in forest lands, machinery and
infrastructure. meanwhile dupont industries were working towards a new
sulphuric acid process for wood pulp paper, which was to appear in 1937.
the hearst paper manufacturing division was just one of the skittles that
could have gone over if the new hemp paper had become a reality and it
probably would have taken the rest of the hearst empire with it. but W R
hearst was also a newspaper magnate and a monumental bigot.perhaps it was
his own peculiar good luck that he was a vicious racist with a pathological
fear of drug users. maybe he was farsighted to the point of premonition
when it came to his own narrow interests. or maybe it was all down to
coincidence that pancho villa's dope smoking revolutionaries had annexed
800,000 acres of hearst's mexican forest lands. whatever the reason, from
1920 the hearst news empire introduced america to a new moral panic-
marijuana, a hitherto unknown and unbelievably horrific drug, used typically
by "inferior peoples" - specifically blacks and mexicans- which would, if
not checked, lead to the wholesale debauchery of white womanhood at the
hands of reefer smoking, sex crazed negros.

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Re: [CTRL] re : Shriners Scandalized by Sex Bash

2001-02-03 Thread Johannes Schmidt III

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Hey, you wouldn't be laughing if you knew what those fez hats were REALLY for. David 
Icke territory?

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [ashcroft-watch] More of the Dirty Dick et.al. Don't Miss A Trick Story

2001-02-03 Thread lassey

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Funny that I never saw such obsessive digging for 'facts' over the last 8
years. Hmm.
Was there nothing to dig up on all those saints??

Beyond the filth and corruption that was of such a magnitude that it
oozed out beyond
their control was MUCH MUCH MUCH more. But we certainly don't want to
talk about all that, do we?

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:19:00 -0800 Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:46 AM
 Subject: [ashcroft-watch] More of the Dirty Dick et.al. Don't Miss A
 Trick
 Story


 More of the Dirty Dick et.al. Don't Miss A Trick Story
 http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39001-2000Dec21.html
 Ann Veneman, Bush choice for Agriculture Secretary, according to
 the
 article at the url above served on the board of Calgene, described
 in
 that article as  "a biotechnology company working on genetically
 engineered foods"
 .http://www.ucsusa.org/Gene/F97.agribusiness.html
 "Calgene (is) now a subsidiary of Monsanto"
 http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/media/00/00nov13_stock.html
 http://www.social-ecology.org/library/tokar/monsanto.html "In 1947,
 a
 rench freighter carrying ammonium nitrate fertilizer blew up at a
 dock
 270 feet from Monsanto's plastics plant outside Galveston,
 Texas.More
 than 500 people died in what came to be seen as one of the chemical
 industry's first major disasters.- The herbicide "Agent Orange,"
 which
 was used by U.S. military forces to defoliate the rainforest
 ecosystems of Vietnam during the 1960s was a mixture of 2,4,5-T and
 2,4-D that was available from several sources, but Monsanto's Agent
 Orange had concentrations of dioxin many times higher than that
 produced by Dow Chemical, the defoliant's other leading
 manufacturer.
 This made Monsanto the key defendant in the lawsuit brought by
 Vietnam
 War veterans in the United States, who faced an array of
 debilitating
 symptoms attributable to Agent Orange exposure. When a $180 million
 settlement was reached in 1984 between seven chemical companies and
 the lawyers for the veterans, the judge ordered Monsanto to pay
 45.5
 percent of the total."
 http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/about_us/company_timeline/index3.html
 "Through the Dayton Laboratories, Monsanto became involved in
 research
 on uranium for the Manhattan Project, which led to the first
 nuclear
 bombs.  "Monsanto Company, an 85 percent owned subsidiary of
 Pharmacia
  Corporation."
 http://microrim.samovar.ru "On April 3, 2000, a new first-tier
 competitor in the global  pharmaceutical industry was created.
 Pharmacia Corporation is the result of a merger between Pharmacia 
 Upjohn and Monsanto
 Company. http://www.pharmacia.com http://www.pnu.com/
 http://www.monsanto.co.uk/news/2000/january2000/27012000_monsanto.html
 "Pharmacia  Upjohn's board of directors is comprised of Frank
 C.  Carlucci (and others)
 http://www.nortelnetworks.com/corporate/news/newsreleases/1999b/4_29_9
 999298_Carlucci_appt.html
 "Frank C. Carlucci Becomes Nortel Networks' New  Chairman of the
 Board
 of Directors" "Carlucci of McLean, Virginia, a member of the Nortel
 Networks board of directors since 1989, currently serves as the
 chairman of the Carlyle Group, a Washington, D.C.-based merchant
 banking firm as well as chairman of the board and a director of
 Neurogen Corporation. Earlier, Carlucci enjoyed a long and
 distinguished career in the U.S.  government. His periods of
 service
 which spanned both Democratic and Republican administrations,
 included
 appointments as Secretary of Defense from 1987 to 1989, National
 Security Advisor to President Reagan in 1987, Ambassador to
 Portugal,
 Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, Deputy
 Secretary of Defense, Deputy Director of Central Intelligence, and
 Deputy Director of the Office of Management and Budget."
 http://www.njdc.org/readNews.php3?show=67dept=4 "Cheney agreed
 with
 his predecessor,  Frank Carlucci, that congressional opposition to
 US
 arms sales to friendly Arab states has hurt American interests in
 the
 region. 'I think the United States does have a role to play in the
 area that does involve providing our Arab friends  with the
 equipment
 they need in order to provide for their defense,' Cheney said."
 http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/cheney.htm
 "Richard B. Cheney   March 21, 1989- January 20, 1993 17th
 Secretary
 of Defense Bush Administration President George Bush initially
 chose
 former Texas Sen. John G. Tower to be his secretary of defense.
 When
 the Senate in March 1989 rejected his nomination, Bush selected
 Rep.
 Richard B. (Dick) Cheney of Wyoming. Cheney, born in
 Lincoln,Nebraska,
 on 30 January 1941, attended Yale University- For chairman
 of the Joint Chiefs of Staff he selected General Colin L. Powell,
 who
 assumed the post on 1 October 1989.- Cheney and 

[CTRL] Mad Computer Disease

2001-02-03 Thread flw

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THE TIMES
February 4 2001 BRITAIN

Computer-mad generation has a memory crash

Cherry Norton and Adam Nathan

GROWING numbers of people in their twenties and thirties are suffering from severe 
memory loss
because of increasing reliance on computer technology, according to new research.

Sufferers complain they are unable to recall names, written words or appointments, and 
in some cases
have had to give up their jobs.

Doctors are blaming computer technology, electronic organisers and automatic car 
navigation systems.
They claim these gadgets lead to diminished use of the brain to work out problems and 
inflict
"information overload" that makes it difficult to distinguish between important and 
unimportant
facts.

A preliminary study of 150 people aged 20 to 35 has shown that more than one in 10 are 
suffering
from severe problems with their memory. Researchers from Hokkaido University's school 
of medicine in
Japan said the memory dysfunction among the young required further investigation.

"They're losing the ability to remember new things, to pull out old data or to 
distinguish between
important and unimportant information. It's a type of brain dysfunction," said 
Toshiyuki Sawaguchi,
the university's professor of neurobiology. "Young people today are becoming stupid."

One high-flying 28-year-old salesman treated by Dr Sawaguchi was forced to give up his 
job when he
found himself forgetting where he was going, who he was supposed to be seeing or, when 
he finally
got there, what he was selling.

Although no formal studies have been undertaken in Britain, experts are increasingly 
recognising the
problem. Professor Pam Briggs of Northumbria University, who recently chaired a British
Psychological Society symposium on the effects of technology, said: "I think increased 
use of the
internet and computer technology is starting to have an effect. Everyday memory might 
be at threat
if you are using the computer as a kind of external memory."

Dr Takashi Tsukiyama, who runs a private clinic in Tokyo, said he had seen an increase 
in severe
memory problems. "In the past two years, more people in their twenties and thirties 
have presented
themselves with memory impairment," he said.

One sales assistant aged 28 said she suddenly found herself unable to recall written 
words and was
dismissed from her job. "Ageing affects the brain's hardware, but errors may occur in 
the brain's
'software' that have nothing to do with age but are related to someone's lifestyle, 
such as not
using your brain enough," said Tsukiyama.

Dr David Cantor, director of the Psychological Services Institute in Atlanta, Georgia, 
who has
treated patients for memory and attention problems for more than 20 years, said: "Many 
experts
believe information overload is making it difficult for some people to absorb new 
information, as
they have reached a limit of what they can store in their brains. These people forget 
things because
they were too distracted to absorb them in the first place."

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Re: [CTRL] Mad Computer Disease

2001-02-03 Thread Jenny Decker

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- Original Message -
From: "flw" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 6:36 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Mad Computer Disease


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 THE TIMES
 February 4 2001 BRITAIN

 Computer-mad generation has a memory crash

 Cherry Norton and Adam Nathan

 GROWING numbers of people in their twenties and thirties are suffering
from severe memory loss
 because of increasing reliance on computer technology, according to new
research.

 Sufferers complain they are unable to recall names, written words or
appointments, and in some cases
 have had to give up their jobs.

 Doctors are blaming computer technology, electronic organisers and
automatic car navigation systems.
 They claim these gadgets lead to diminished use of the brain to work out
problems and inflict
 "information overload" that makes it difficult to distinguish between
important and unimportant
 facts.

 A preliminary study of 150 people aged 20 to 35 has shown that more than
one in 10 are suffering
 from severe problems with their memory. Researchers from Hokkaido
University's school of medicine in
 Japan said the memory dysfunction among the young required further
investigation.

 "They're losing the ability to remember new things, to pull out old data
or to distinguish between
 important and unimportant information. It's a type of brain dysfunction,"
said Toshiyuki Sawaguchi,
 the university's professor of neurobiology. "Young people today are
becoming stupid."

 One high-flying 28-year-old salesman treated by Dr Sawaguchi was forced to
give up his job when he
 found himself forgetting where he was going, who he was supposed to be
seeing or, when he finally
 got there, what he was selling.

 Although no formal studies have been undertaken in Britain, experts are
increasingly recognising the
 problem. Professor Pam Briggs of Northumbria University, who recently
chaired a British
 Psychological Society symposium on the effects of technology, said: "I
think increased use of the
 internet and computer technology is starting to have an effect. Everyday
memory might be at threat
 if you are using the computer as a kind of external memory."

 Dr Takashi Tsukiyama, who runs a private clinic in Tokyo, said he had seen
an increase in severe
 memory problems. "In the past two years, more people in their twenties and
thirties have presented
 themselves with memory impairment," he said.

 One sales assistant aged 28 said she suddenly found herself unable to
recall written words and was
 dismissed from her job. "Ageing affects the brain's hardware, but errors
may occur in the brain's
 'software' that have nothing to do with age but are related to someone's
lifestyle, such as not
 using your brain enough," said Tsukiyama.

 Dr David Cantor, director of the Psychological Services Institute in
Atlanta, Georgia, who has
 treated patients for memory and attention problems for more than 20 years,
said: "Many experts
 believe information overload is making it difficult for some people to
absorb new information, as
 they have reached a limit of what they can store in their brains. These
people forget things because
 they were too distracted to absorb them in the first place."

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That being 

Re: [CTRL] Leviticus

2001-02-03 Thread Johannes Schmidt III

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Last year the good folk at the Landover Baptist Church 
(http://www.landoverbaptist.org) were having a Levitical Law Survivor Show, where a 
group of families had to live in one household together under strict Levitical law. 
The survivors would win a prize.


On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:07:44 -0500 Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Leave it to you BooHoo to come up with something so original - again,
your style is so familiar.my you sound so intelligent when you quote
G-d.

Or is that God.

So Dr. Laura never made Playboy did she?   Anything for the buck - a
nudist moralist but when it comes to homosexuality, she has seen the
light.

She has survived but then, different strokes for different
folksthough she lost some advertisers, she did not lose her job and
like Jerry Springer,  where would he be, without an angel to keep the
fight going.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner

2001-02-03 Thread lassey

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Dream on, dream on.

Many reports say Bush not only HANDILY won
Florida, but would have been shown to have won the popular vote also,
except that
*s like Gov in Calif won't allow 1 million absentee ballots to be counted
because
the lie would  be exposed.

Get over it.
--
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 --- "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner

  Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the
  White House today as the newly elected president of
  the United States, two new independent probes of
  the disputed Florida election contest have
  confirmed.
 "...the revelations will continue to cast a cloud,
 to put it mildly, over the democratic legitimacy of Mr
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Re: [CTRL] Tora, Tora, Tora ? ? ?

2001-02-03 Thread Cliff Hume

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This is another quite obvious attack on the US constitution and the citizens
of the United States, by CFR members Gingrich and other subversives.

When will the people of the United States awaken to the reality of their
present perilous situation?

Yours very truly,

Cliff Hume.


At 02:14 AM 2/2/01 -0600, you wrote:
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So:  is an alive 2nd Amendment contributory to deterrence?  AER 

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According to the Associated Press, the United States Commission on National
Security/21st Century, chaired by former Sens. Warren Rudman, R-N.H., and
Gary Hart,
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"Weapons proliferation [and] the persistence of international terrorism
will end the
relative invulnerability of the U.S. homeland to catastrophic attack.
"A direct attack against American citizens on American soil is likely over
the next
quarter century."
The 14-member panel listed as a close-second threat what it described as the
nation's inadequate scientific research and education.
The nation's entire education system, it said, is "in serious crisis."
It warned that this actually poses "a greater threat to U.S. national
security ...
than any potential conventional war that we might imagine."
One commission member, Newt Gingrich, the former Republican speaker of the
House of Representatives, said:
"We put science, and science and math education, second ... because we
believe it's second only to the threat of a weapon of mass destruction
[hitting] one of our cities."
The panel concluded the United States is not prepared adequately to meet
either of those challenges:
"The risk is not only death and destruction but also a demoralization that
could undermine [America's] global leadership.
"In the face of this threat, our nation has no coherent or integrated
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It offered these steps the United States should take:
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner

2001-02-03 Thread Steve Wingate

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Considering Gore's margin of victory in California, which is heavily
Democrat statewide, your logic is absurd.

Many other reports, BTW, say that Bush LOST Florida.

Steve

On 3 Feb 01, at 22:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Many reports say Bush not only HANDILY won
 Florida, but would have been shown to have won the popular vote also,
 except that
 *s like Gov in Calif won't allow 1 million absentee ballots to be counted
 because the lie would  be exposed.

 Get over it.



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Re: [CTRL] Critics Allege Torture of Client in Faith-Based Program

2001-02-03 Thread Steve Wingate

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Bush is using his father's CIA-based 'Newspeak', more accurately,
Neurolinguistic Programming, to replace the word 'religious' with the more
diffuse term 'faith-based'. But the effect is the same: to allow the
Government to gain control of religious institutions for the purpose of mind
control. (Why waste such a valuble resource?)

What is to prevent the Church of Satan from applying for government
funding for 'charitable purposes'? How can the government determine
which 'religion' is ok, and which is not?

And is any of this really constitutional? I think not, but then our Supreme
Court just appointed our President so anything is possible.

We are in for some real surprises in the next few years. Take care.

Arwcw

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 Critics Allege Torture of Client in Faith-Based Program

 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010201/pl/charities_abuses_1.html

 Critics Question Bush Charity Plan

 By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer
 Thursday February 1

 WASHINGTON (AP) - Taking
 advantage of one of George W. Bush's experiments, Teresa
 Calalay sent her son to a Texas church home last year
 hoping to break his pattern of legal, behavioral and work
 problems. He returned weeks later, broken in other ways.
 The 18-year-old's feet were swollen from severely
 sprained ankles and his body was covered with hundreds
 of welts, bruises and bug bites that led a doctor to file an
 abuse report with police.
 The home's superintendent now awaits trial on a felony
 charge of unlawful restraint - and Calalay has sued the
 church for what she says was a substitution of abuse for
 Christianity. The home denies wrongdoing.
 ``I don't know where in their Bible it says you've got to
 beat God into people,'' Calalay said.
 Bush as president is now promoting a plan to shift more
 federal social services to religious groups - as he did as
 Texas governor. The idea has early bipartisan support,
 though supporters of the separation of church and state are
 pledging to fight it.
 A review of similar state and federal initiatives shows that
 beyond the political debate, these experiments have
 generated allegations of financial and physical abuse,
 questions of lax oversight and lawsuits questioning
 whether the needy are being force-fed religion at public
 expense.
 Supporters, including Bush himself, offer stories of
 churches freed from bureaucratic constraints that have
 helped turn lives around. And they suggest religious
 groups are less prone to fraud and abuse because of their
 beliefs.
 ``Religious organizations feel accountable to a real higher
 power known as God,'' said Amy Sherman, a researcher
 with the conservative Hudson Institute.
 Critics fear some religious groups, however well
 intentioned, may not have the training and oversight needed
 for success.
 ``I see in this faith-based initiative a situation where
 people who are really unskilled in the problems they are
 addressing ... are going to be given billions of dollars to
 treat alcoholism and drug addiction,'' said Marc Davis,
 one of Calalay's lawyers.
 Congress has already allowed charitable organizations to
 get government grants for some social services, such as
 welfare, community development and drug treatment.
 Several religious groups have been implicated in
 defrauding the government in recent years, according to
 federal watchdog reports. They include:
 -Former officials of the New Jerusalem Church of God in
 Christ in Toledo, Ohio, who pleaded guilty to defrauding
 an Agriculture Department program out of $1.1 million.
 -Four Hasidic Jews in New York were convicted of
 stealing tens of millions of dollars in federal housing and
 education money in connection with a fictitious yeshiva, a
 religious school. Former President Clinton (news - web
 sites) commuted their sentences before leaving office.
 Critics also have filed lawsuits alleging some charities
 misused tax dollars for religious advocacy.
 One such suit targets Faith Works, a program that receives
 government money to provide drug treatment and job
 training to troubled fathers in Wisconsin. The program was
 touted by Bush during the campaign and backed by Tommy
 Thompson, the outgoing Wisconsin governor and incoming
 secretary of health and human services.
 The Freedom From Religion Foundation alleges in its suit
 that the program has used tax dollars to distribute Bibles
 and encourage attendance at Christian services.
 Tim Patterson, Faith Works' director of operations, said
 religious services ``are offered but they are not forced on
 anyone.''
 In Texas, a lawsuit 

[CTRL] Census quote

2001-02-03 Thread Johannes Schmidt III

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Here's a good quote for the next census spy the government sends to your front door"


"And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel, And David 
said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to 
Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it. . . . And God was 
displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel. . . . So the Lord sent 
pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men" (1 Chronicles 
21:1-14).


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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [ashcroft-watch] More of the Dirty Dick et.al. Don't Miss A Tr...

2001-02-03 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 2/3/01 8:27:07 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:


Funny that I never saw such obsessive digging for 'facts' over the last 8
years. Hmm.
Was there nothing to dig up on all those saints??

Beyond the filth and corruption that was of such a magnitude that it
oozed out beyond
their control was MUCH MUCH MUCH more. But we certainly don't want to
talk about all that, do we?

Actually there was plenty of exposing of the sins, just as often imagined as
real, of the Clinton years...but that was then and this is now. And Bush
seems to almost invite controversy.

Bill.


Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner

2001-02-03 Thread Samantha L.

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In a message dated 2/3/01 9:51:29 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Dream on, dream on.

  Many reports say Bush not only HANDILY won
  Florida, but would have been shown to have won the popular vote also,
  except that
  *s like Gov in Calif won't allow 1 million absentee ballots to be counted
  because
  the lie would  be exposed.

  Get over it.

  Source it.

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[CTRL] Useful Site-The Crimes of Augusto Pinochet

2001-02-03 Thread William Shannon
http://www.trentu.ca/~mneumann/pinochet.html


[CTRL] Architect of Lockerbie trial attacks guilty verdict

2001-02-03 Thread William Shannon
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000339931511020rtmo=kCJ31kLpatmo=
pg=/et/01/2/4/nlock04.html


Architect of Lockerbie trial attacks guilty verdict
By Jenny Booth

THE Scots law professor who masterminded the Lockerbie trial in the
Netherlands has launched a scathing attack on the judges for finding the
defendant guilty on "very, very weak" evidence.

Professor Robert Black described the decision by three Scottish judges to
convict Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, a Libyan secret serviceman, of the
murder of 270 people when Pan Am flight 103 exploded over Lockerbie as
"astonishing". He warned that the bomber stands a better-than-average chance
of being acquitted on appeal.

Professor Black, a former judge with 13 years' experience and Scotland's
leading expert on criminal procedure and evidence, said that in his view the
Crown case had failed to comply with strict Scottish legal rules - tougher
than English law - that evidence be corroborated.

 Professor Black said: "I thought this was a very, very weak circumstantial
case. I am absolutely astounded, astonished. I was extremely reluctant to
believe that any Scottish judge would convict anyone, even a Libyan, on the
basis of such evidence." Professor Black's reservations will fuel the
concerns of bereaved families that, despite the criminal trial, the truth is
yet to emerge about the Lockerbie bombing.

At a hushed press conference in London the day after the verdict, Martin
Cadman, whose son Bill died in the bombing, said: "We have our doubts about
the guilt of Megrahi and that will have to remain the subject of any appeal
to come. The appeal will hold us up for another year or so before we can have
an inquiry into the truth of who was responsible and what the motive was."

The chief spokesman for the families, Dr Jim Swire, a former army explosives
expert, produced a bomb timer to illustrate why he found it hard to believe
the Crown's version of events. He said that the timing of the explosion, 38
minutes after the aircraft took off from Heathrow and while the jet was still
over land, made the bomb more likely to have been detonated by a crude
pressure-activated timer, such as those used by the Palestinian terror group
operating in Germany under the command of Ahmed Jibril, than by a
sophisticated 999-hour electronic timer of the type bought by Libyan secret
services from MeBo, a Swiss arms firm.

Professor Black's concerns are likely to be seized upon by Colonel Muammar
Gaddafi to back claims of Libya's innocence of the bombing. Professor Black 
devised the unique format of the Lockerbie trial, which was held in a neutral
country without a jury, and campaigned alongside the bereaved families for
its acceptance by Libya, America and Britain.

Megrahi has a further 11 days to lodge an appeal, which would probably be
heard in the same courtroom in Camp Zeist, in front of a bench of five
judges, over about two weeks in late summer. The appeal bench is expected to
be chaired by Lord Cullen, Scotland's second most senior judge. Under
ordinary circumstances, barely a handful of appeals against conviction ever
succeed in the Scottish courts, but Professor Black said that the unique
circumstances of the trial meant that Megrahi stood a better chance.






[CTRL] Bug-sized robots could be next generation spies

2001-02-03 Thread William Shannon
http://interestalert.com/brand/siteia.shtml?Story=storage/remote_n/0203aaa

01b6c.nandSys=v2oFilter=National%20NewsFid=NATIONAL


Bug-sized robots could be next generation spies

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M.


- Adding a new dimension to the world of creepy-crawlies, researchers at the
Sandia National Laboratories have developed mobile, electronic micro-bugs -
sensor-equipped robots the size of a nickel.

The lab sees the devices as potential environmental monitors or antiterrorist
agents - capable of silently scampering under a door, quietly rolling into a
corner and eavesdropping on whatever is going on inside.

Only about 1/4 cubic inch in size - essentially as small as a large beetle -
they are the tiniest of autonomous and untethered robots, Sandia researchers
say.

"They're small enough to sneak under most doors, yet they have a pretty
robust little (computer) chip in them," said developer Doug Adkins, a Sandia
mechanical engineer specializing in sensors. He said the onboard computing
power is about equivalent to the first small desktop computers.

One of the project's other scientists, Ed Heller, said he believes "this
could the robot of the future. "It may eventually be capable of performing
difficult tasks that are done with much larger robots today," he said, adding
they might become useful in "locating and disabling land mines or detecting
chemical and biological weapons."

 Currently, the "minibot" is only outfitted with temperature sensors, but
Adkins said a team of six Sandia researchers is developing a suite of
microsensors that might be attached to its many computer data ports, starting
with a miniature microphone and radio transmitter.

Researchers could equip it with a microcamera, but Adkins said current
technology is not sufficiently miniaturized "to allow us to do streaming
video.

"But we might be able to capture a single frame," he said, noting that
onboard video could come later as technology advances.

Equipped with a computer microprocessor, and about 8,000 bytes of read-only
memory, or ROM, the minibots weigh less than an ounce. They might be used in
a variety of intelligence-gathering roles - including sniffing out illegal
drugs, chemicals or explosives.

Sandia expects to be able to remotely control the devices. With that
capability, researchers believe they would be ideal for crawling through
pipes or ducts or scanning the rooms of a target building for evidence of
human activity or unique chemical signatures.

One option is an infrared sensor that could detect motion.

"We think they could be useful in hostage situations or in detecting
dangerous chemicals," said Adkins.

The limiting factor, Adkins said, has been power. The current source: three
of the smallest, off-the-shelf watch batteries.

"One of the things we learned," he said, "is which batteries really last the
longest." Sitting atop tiny tanklike treads, the minibots are hardly speed
demons, traveling about 20 inches a minute. And they only have enough power
for about 15 minutes of operation.

Adkins used a computer program to design the robots. Their bodies were
produced directly from his computer drafts through Sandia's
"stereolithography" manufacturing process.

Through rapid prototyping, it manufactured the robot bodies microlayer by
microlayer, using a laser to instantly melt and apply the material in a
precise, computer-driven procedure. The process allows the production of
complex, single parts using strong, lightweight materials.

Agile enough "to turn on a dime and park on a nickel," the robots have a
simple drive mechanism: two small motors, like those used to move camera
lenses back and forth.

Adkins said they might be most productive if researchers can get them to
communicate with each other and work in swarms, relaying their findings back
to a manned station a safe distance from the danger.

The minibots are the latest in a series of smaller and more versatile robots
developed at Sandia in the last several years - a learning process that has
taught many lessons, the researchers say.

For instance, the minibots originally were designed with four wheels, but
these got bogged down on the smallest of obstacles and didn't have good
traction.

Adkins switched to mobile tracks, a tiny version of those used by military
tanks, which allowed the robots to negotiate rougher terrain, like carpet.
But even with that, he confessed, "They might get hung up in shag carpet."

Lawrence Spohn writes for The Tribune in Albuquerque, N.M.





Re: [CTRL] Architect of Lockerbie trial attacks guilty verdict

2001-02-03 Thread Johannes Schmidt III

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They should try coming to one of the crooked courts in Victoria, where you will be 
convicted even if the prosecution fails to show up on the day, or even better the 
charges will be thrown out but it will later be claimed that you were convicted, and 
you won't be able to prove otherwise.

As long as all the Judges are freemasons, and crooked, what do people expect? I was 
surprised they didn't convict them both.


On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:17:46 EST William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000339931511020rtmo=kCJ31kLpatmo=;
pg=/et/01/2/4/nlock04.html


Architect of Lockerbie trial attacks guilty verdict
By Jenny Booth

THE Scots law professor who masterminded the Lockerbie trial in the
Netherlands has launched a scathing attack on the judges for finding the
defendant guilty on "very, very weak" evidence.

Professor Robert Black described the decision by three Scottish judges to
convict Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, a Libyan secret serviceman, of the
murder of 270 people when Pan Am flight 103 exploded over Lockerbie as
"astonishing". He warned that the bomber stands a better-than-average chance
of being acquitted on appeal.

Professor Black, a former judge with 13 years' experience and Scotland's
leading expert on criminal procedure and evidence, said that in his view the
Crown case had failed to comply with strict Scottish legal rules - tougher
than English law - that evidence be corroborated.

 Professor Black said: "I thought this was a very, very weak circumstantial
case. I am absolutely astounded, astonished. I was extremely reluctant to
believe that any Scottish judge would convict anyone, even a Libyan, on the
basis of such evidence." Professor Black's reservations will fuel the
concerns of bereaved families that, despite the criminal trial, the truth is
yet to emerge about the Lockerbie bombing.

At a hushed press conference in London the day after the verdict, Martin
Cadman, whose son Bill died in the bombing, said: "We have our doubts about
the guilt of Megrahi and that will have to remain the subject of any appeal
to come. The appeal will hold us up for another year or so before we can have
an inquiry into the truth of who was responsible and what the motive was."

The chief spokesman for the families, Dr Jim Swire, a former army explosives
expert, produced a bomb timer to illustrate why he found it hard to believe
the Crown's version of events. He said that the timing of the explosion, 38
minutes after the aircraft took off from Heathrow and while the jet was still
over land, made the bomb more likely to have been detonated by a crude
pressure-activated timer, such as those used by the Palestinian terror group
operating in Germany under the command of Ahmed Jibril, than by a
sophisticated 999-hour electronic timer of the type bought by Libyan secret
services from MeBo, a Swiss arms firm.

Professor Black's concerns are likely to be seized upon by Colonel Muammar
Gaddafi to back claims of Libya's innocence of the bombing. Professor Black A 
HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000339931511020rtmo=LxiNh7ddatmo=pg=/et/97/12/22/nlock22.html"
devised the unique format of the Lockerbie trial/A, which A 
HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000339931511020rtmo=LxiNh7ddatmo=pg=/et/98/8/24/nloc24.html"was
 held in a neutral
country/A without a jury, and campaigned alongside the bereaved families for
its acceptance by Libya, America and Britain.

Megrahi has a further 11 days to lodge an appeal, which would probably be
heard in the same courtroom in Camp Zeist, in front of a bench of five
judges, over about two weeks in late summer. The appeal bench is expected to
be chaired by Lord Cullen, Scotland's second most senior judge. Under
ordinary circumstances, barely a handful of appeals against conviction ever
succeed in the Scottish courts, but Professor Black said that the unique
circumstances of the trial meant that Megrahi stood a better chance.






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