[CTRL] Nostradamus tops the best sellers

2001-09-15 Thread Chris Case 

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Nostradamus tops the best sellers

God is losing ground to the doomsayers

Special report: terrorism in the US

Mark Lawson Saturday September 15, 2001 The Guardian

The events in America touch at almost every turn on technology: the
benevolent and malevolent uses of our inventions. In the central
catastrophe, one of man's proudest pieces of engineering was flown into
another. And - for every warming story of the cell-phone or email system
which allowed a call for help or reassurance to a loved one - there was
the thought that these same communications almost certainly allowed the
terrorists and their overlord to synchronise the cataclysm.

Indeed, our frequent ambiguity about scientific development may be
encapsulated in this question: is it better or worse that a person about
to die on an aeroplane is able to make a goodbye call from the sky? Now
- following events on global live television - we wait to see which of
the potential nightmares available in military technology George Bush
might call on.

And yesterday one aspect of modern technology allowed us an
extraordinary insight into the effect of these events on the American
psyche. The online bookseller amazon. com runs a best-seller list, which
is updated hourly. By yesterday evening, three of the top five titles
were about or by the celebrated doomsayer Nostradumus, with The Complete
Prophecies at number one. The other two were a history of the World
Trade Centre by an architectural writer who can never have expected the
twin towers to become history, and a volume about how to fight
terrorism. We may feel this week that this book, if it were honest,
would be short on specifics.

Amazon's ability to give an instant tally of national reading, however,
gives a new tool to cultural commentary: a sort of psychological opinion
poll. It was to be expected that, when Princess Diana died, sales of
books about her would increase but it never occurred to me that
Tuesday's war on New York would provoke a similar reaction. What, after
all, would be the subject of the books you would buy? For - unlike
earlier, much smaller rehearsals for this news story, such as the deaths
of President Kennedy and Diana - the dead were not the kind to have
biographies of them written.

But now we know from amazon that, just as they did with Diana, people
have craved, as information or souvenir, works about the central
celebrity involved: the Twin Towers. Fascinatingly, they have also in
large numbers sought to make sense of this unimaginable event in the
imagination of Nostradamus. It is a measure of the fear and derangement
now at loose quite understandably in the American mind that people can
find consolation in the idea that a 16th-century French astrologer,
writing long before aeroplanes or skyscrapers existed, somehow knew the
Manhattan holocaust was scheduled.

This widespread reading of the seer touches, though, on the more general
question of what can reassure and console at times like this. The
Americans who turn towards Nostradamus arise from an instinctively
religious society. As citizens of a largely secular culture, the British
have never comprehended the extent to which America believes itself to
be a nation blessed and directed by God but it cannot be properly
understood without this perspective.

George Bush, a born-again Christian who is reported to pray on the
telephone most days with his Bible advisers, almost certainly believes
this. For all the inflammatory rhetoric about Islam in America now,
there are without doubt those in the Bush administration who believe in
the concept of holy war from the Christian perspective. Part of the
shock to America's self-image has been a sense of divine abandonment.

The preachers in America's thousands of churches this Sunday face their
greatest intellectual challenge: explaining where God was in the skies
above the US on Tuesday. At times like this, you can see why Nostradamus
- who simply warned in universally applicable terms of disasters from
now until doom - might be an easier sell than God, who promised to care
what happened to us.

Those for whom neither God nor Nostradamus work turn for consolation to
ritual. But, however President Bush discharges his role as
commander-in-chief, there is a growing consensus that he is failing in a
crucial part of a politician's job: the crisis ceremonial. He has so far
found neither language nor body language. Improbably, after such
failures in the Diana week, Buckingham Palace has been impeccable in
this regard. Incorporating the American national anthem in the changing
of the guard was a genuinely moving touch.

Perhaps, finally, it is music which most reliably consoles. Samuel
Barber's Adagio for Strings was played yesterday in Washington Cathedral
and tonight forms part of an emergency programme at the Last Night of
the Proms. This piece has become an American equivalent of Verdi's
Requiem since Oliver Stone chose it for the soundtrack of his Vietnam
movie Plat

[CTRL] CHANDRA, JOYCE AND MARY - R.I.P.

2001-09-15 Thread Steve 

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MEDIUM RARE

By Jim Rarey


September 16, 2001


'What a tangled web we weave

When first we practice to deceive."

Robert Burns

CHANDRA, JOYCE AND MARY - R.I.P.


This is the story of three young women who went to the nation's capital to
learn about government. What they learned may have been the cause of their
deaths. The three, Chandra Levy, Joyce Chiang and Mary Mahoney had interned
in various departments of the executive branch of the federal government. As
scandal after scandal swirled about them, they may have become privy to
information that made them dangerous to powerful people. This article is
about those scandals that likely ended up destroying the young women.

This writer, in several previous articles, has documented the odyssey of
Chandra Levy ending with her job at the Bureau of Prisons. As a result of
her duties there, the author believes she came into possession of knowledge
on one or two subjects that made her dangerous to some in Washington D.C.

The subjects were Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing and the
CIA/drug connection possibly through the controversy regarding the
whereabouts of Carlos Lehder, cofounder of the Columbian drug cartel.
Sometime after the articles were written, Chandra's interest in those
subjects was confirmed by no less a person than Gary Condit. He told a
Newsweek reporter; "They talked about the upcoming executions of Oklahoma
City bomber Tim McVeigh and drug trafficker Juan Raul Garza. "She seemed to
have a lot of interest in those two things," said Condit, "a lot more
interest in them than I did."

The work and death of the second intern, Joyce Chiang, may very well also
tie into the McVeigh and OKC bombing tragedy.

Joyce, a graduate of Smith College interned in the office of California
Democrat Representative Howard Berman while a student. After graduation, she
worked in his office while attending law school at Georgetown University.
She became Berman's expert on immigration law and later, in 1995, took a
position as special assistant to the director of the Office of Congressional
Relations at the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).

During Timothy McVeigh's Denver trial, the immigration status of one Andreas
Strassmeir became an issue. Strassmeir was a German citizen with counter
intelligence experience in the German army who was active in the Elohim City
compound of a white supremacist group outside of Oklahoma City. According to
Carol Howe, a paid BATF informer, Strassmeir had been agitating for direct
action against government buildings. Phone records showed that McVeigh had
tried to contact Strassmeir at Elohim City a couple of weeks before the
bombing.

After the bombing, the BATF notified the INS that it wanted to detain
Strassmeir and he was put on the INS's watch list. Also, the FBI and INS had
scheduled a raid on Elohim City in February, two months before the bombing
to apprehend Strassmeir for alleged weapons and immigration violations. The
raid was abruptly canceled with no explanation to date. When Strassmeir
turned up in Germany he was taken off the INS watch list.

The McVeigh's defense team tried to introduce evidence of participation in
the bombing conspiracy by Strassmeir and Dennis Mahon through the testimony
of BATF informant Carol Howe. Special Prosecutor Beth Wilkinson flat out
lied to Judge Richard Matsch. She told the judge that Strassmeir was "A mere
wisp of the wind." She said Strassmeir's only problem was that he might have
overstayed his visa. She falsely stated that the letters "A" and "O" on
Strassmeir's immigration record stood for "admitted" and "overstayed"
respectively. (See this author's article "Levy/Condit Amazing Coincidences"
for background on Wilkinson's role in providing cover for intelligence
agencies.)

Wilkinson also falsely told the judge that Carol Howe had been fired by the
BATF as mentally unstable and untrustworthy. She falsified the date Howe
left the service of the BATF.

Wilkinson's lies were exposed during a trial of Carol Howe. The government
had indicted her on weapons violation charges. Her BATF handler, Angela
Finley had to admit that Howe was in possession of the weapons at the
request of the BATF. She also confirmed that the BATF had given Howe a raise
from $25 a day to $400 a day and sent her back into Elohim City for further
undercover work after the date Wilkinson said she had been fired. Howe was
easily acquitted.

The INS later corrected the record on Strassmeir's immigration status
showing that "A" stood for diplomatic passport and "O" for highly qualified.
It was also discovered later that Strassmeir had applied for positions with
the DEA and CIA.

Later, an appeals court judge ga

[CTRL] Jihad vs. McWorld

2001-09-15 Thread Chris Case 

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Here, in its well-worth-reading entirety, is the well-known and
seemingly quite prescient article published in the Atlantic Monthy in
1992, "Jihad vs. McWorld".

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/foreign/barberf.htm

M A R C H 1 9 9 2

The two axial principles of our age -- tribalism and globalism -- clash
at every point except one: they may both be threatening to democracy

by Benjamin R. Barber

Just beyond the horizon of current events lie two possible political
futures -- both bleak, neither democratic. The first is a
retribalization of large swaths of humankind by war and bloodshed: a
threatened Lebanonization of national states in which culture is pitted
against culture, people against people, tribe against tribe -- a Jihad
in the name of a hundred narrowly conceived faiths against every kind of
interdependence, every kind of artificial social cooperation and civic
mutuality. The second is being borne in on us by the onrush of economic
and ecological forces that demand integration and uniformity and that
mesmerize the world with fast music, fast computers, and fast food --
with MTV, Macintosh, and McDonald's, pressing nations into one
commercially homogenous global network: one McWorld tied together by
technology, ecology, communications, and commerce. The planet is falling
precipitantly apart AND coming reluctantly together at the very same
moment.

These two tendencies are sometimes visible in the same countries at the
same instant: thus Yugoslavia, clamoring just recently to join the New
Europe, is exploding into fragments; India is trying to live up to its
reputation as the world's largest integral democracy while powerful new
fundamentalist parties like the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata
Party, along with nationalist assassins, are imperiling its hard-won
unity. States are breaking up or joining up: the Soviet Union has
disappeared almost overnight, its parts forming new unions with one
another or with like-minded nationalities in neighboring states. The old
interwar national state based on territory and political sovereignty
looks to be a mere transitional development.

The tendencies of what I am here calling the forces of Jihad and the
forces of McWorld operate with equal strength in opposite directions,
the one driven by parochial hatreds, the other by universalizing
markets, the one re-creating ancient subnational and ethnic borders from
within, the other making national borders porous from without. They have
one thing in common: neither offers much hope to citizens looking for
practical ways to govern themselves democratically. If the global future
is to pit Jihad's centrifugal whirlwind against McWorld's centripetal
black hole, the outcome is unlikely to be democratic -- or so I will
argue.

McWorld, or the Globalization of Politics

Four imperatives make up the dynamic of McWorld: a market imperative, a
resource imperative, an information-technology imperative, and an
ecological imperative. By shrinking the world and diminishing the
salience of national borders, these imperatives have in combination
achieved a considerable victory over factiousness and particularism, and
not least of all over their most virulent traditional form --
nationalism. It is the realists who are now Europeans, the utopians who
dream nostalgically of a resurgent England or Germany, perhaps even a
resurgent Wales or Saxony. Yesterday's wishful cry for one world has
yielded to the reality of McWorld.

THE MARKET IMPERATIVE. Marxist and Leninist theories of imperialism
assumed that the quest for ever-expanding markets would in time compel
nation-based capitalist economies to push against national boundaries in
search of an international economic imperium. Whatever else has happened
to the scientistic predictions of Marxism, in this domain they have
proved farsighted. All national economies are now vulnerable to the
inroads of larger, transnational markets within which trade is free,
currencies are convertible, access to banking is open, and contracts are
enforceable under law. In Europe, Asia, Africa, the South Pacific, and
the Americas such markets are eroding national sovereignty and giving
rise to entities -- international banks, trade associations,
transnational lobbies like OPEC and Greenpeace, world news services like
CNN and the BBC, and multinational corporations that increasingly lack a
meaningful national identity -- that neither reflect nor respect
nationhood as an organizing or regulative principle.

The market imperative has also reinforced the quest for international
peace and stability, requisites of an efficient international economy.
Markets are enemies of parochialism, isolation, fractiousness, war.
Market psychology attenuates the psychology of ideological and religious
cleavages and assumes a concord among producers and consumers --
categories that ill fit narrowly conceived national or religious
cultures. Shopping has little tolerance for blue laws, whether dictated
by pu

[CTRL] Konformist: The Sky(scraper) Is Falling

2001-09-15 Thread Steve 

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(In the same way an airline is a cheap terrorist bomb, a nuclear reactor can
be a cheap terrorist nuclear bomb. --SW)

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Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
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http://www.konformist.com/911/russellhoffman.htm

The Sky(scraper) Is Falling -- Commentary by Russell D. Hoffman
Tuesday, September 11, 2001
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September 11th, 2001

Fellow Citizens:

If I had told you, yesterday, that today two commercial airplanes, loaded with
passengers and fueled for cross-country flights, would crash into New York
City's World Trade Center, one into each of the twin tower buildings, and that
shortly thereafter both towers would come crashing to the ground, and also
told you that the Pentagon would be hit at about the same time, and another
plane would be brought down too, you would have called me "Chicken Little".

America's nuclear power plants are vulnerable.  And don't call me Chicken
Little.

A structural engineer who appeared on CNN today said that the World Trade
Center towers were designed to withstand a 707 crashing into them.  757s
and 767s are somewhat bigger than a 707 (but with two less engines).
However, the airplanes probably aren't directly responsible for bringing down
the towers.  The real culprit was most likely the fires they started.

My understanding is that the design criteria for the containment domes of
America's nuclear power plants was that they should be able to withstand the
impact of a 727, which is even smaller than a 707.

I don't know if the design criteria included that the plane would be full of fuel
as these planes obviously were.  Whatever the design criteria was, it was
never actually tested.   (Note that in a conversation by phone with me in June
2001, Charles Marschall, from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission Region
IV office in Texas, claimed that a nuclear power plant's containment dome
could withstand an impact from a 747.  He refused to put his claim in writing.
But regardless, would any of us believe it today?)

It should be obvious now that we have no reason to think the nuclear
containment domes are safe from planes.  But in any event, many of the
systems vital to keeping a nuclear power plant from melting down are located
OUTSIDE the containment dome, including the control room, the primary
coolant pumps, and other systems.  There are numerous holes in the
containment dome for pipes, wire, personnel, and equipment to go through.
Accidents outside a containment dome can affect systems inside the
containment dome, and a subsequent meltdown inside the containment
dome WILL release radioactivity to the environment.

A meltdown at a nuclear power plant would be 1000 times worse than
everything we saw today.

There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that a meltdown would have
occurred if one of the hijacked airplanes had been flown into a nuclear power
plant.  We can be thankful the hijackers passed over these targets.

The spent fuel pools are outside the containment dome, providing an even
easier target than the containment dome.   And, spent fuel storage casks
located near some reactors can also be potential targets, and thus add
significantly to the danger at those facilities.

In short, America's nuclear power plants are extremely vulnerable.  And don't
call me Chicken Little.

Our nation's firemen and other emergency personnel are NOT adequately
trained or equipped for handling a severe nuclear radiation emergency, and
the evacuation plans for nuclear power plants are absolute garbage.

Everyone recognizes what an incredible job the firefighters, police, and other
emergency personnel must be doing, but their task today pales when
compared to what emergency personnel would face if a nuke plant was
attacked.

All nuclear reactors need to be shut down immediately and permanently, and
their waste needs to be stored underground.  (However, I am not advocating
Yucca Mountain as a solution.)

Clean, renewable energy solutions do exist, and they are far less vulnerable
to terrorism and other calamities than our nuclear power plants, and provide
cheaper energy as well.  Perhaps quickly switching to safe renewable energy
solutions would cause some temporary hardship, but nothing is impossible
for our great nation, if we recognize our vulnerabilities and seek to eliminate
them as quickly as possible.

I for one, want to know who masterminded this wicked act of ignorance.  But
even more, I want to know why we left ourselves so vulnerable in the first
place, and why we continue to leave ourselves vulnerable to additional natural
and man-made misfortunes?  Today it

Re: [CTRL] Those Celebrating Palestinians? That was videofrom1991!!!!!!!!!!

2001-09-15 Thread Nurev Ind. 

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In a message dated 9/15/01 2:35:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
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   C'mon Billy. Be a man. Your Pals are glad that all those people
   died. After all we've seen this behavior before. But when it was
   happening to Jews you really didn't give a fuck.



I thought you guys shunned electricity and all that on Saturdays,
like your pal Lieberman, guess not eh?
Drats!

Bill.
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No Pookie. Those are the Adventists. Don't you ever get anything right?

You're turning into quite a liar these days. Don't you care about your
credibility on this list anymore?

Be a man Billy. Apologize for lying to usJ2


Subject: Re: CNN Using 1991 Footage of Celebrating Palestinians?

For what it's worth, CNN is refuting the allegation.
Here's the text of a letter posted to Jim Romenesko's
Media News; from Chief News Executive Eason Jordan...
===

"The suggestion that CNN used 10-year-old images to
illustrate Palestinians celebrating the terrorist strikes
in the U.S. is baseless and ridiculous. The videotape
was, in fact, shot Tuesday in East Jerusalem by a Reuters
TV crew and included comments from a Palestinian
praising Osama Bin Laden, who was not a Gulf War player.
The more interesting story -- it has the added value of
being true -- is that Palestinian officials have threatened
journalists for taking pictures of these Palestinian celebrations."

Here's a reference for that last statement,
http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/09/13/News/News.34751.html

Jason Jedlinski
Investigative Producer
WGN-TV Chicago

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Re: [CTRL] WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?

2001-09-15 Thread Xxx Yyy 

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Operation B.S.

How about, Operation Blind Sweep? It fits this world wide faith-based
witch-hunt-down/crusade/cleansing, blind rage propelled folly, that it is.
And isn't.

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Re: [CTRL] NYT: SKY RULES-- Pentagon Tracked Deadly Jet but Found No Way to Stop It

2001-09-15 Thread Saba 

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Oh I meant Payne Stewart; had this Pat Robertson on my mind.   I heard
some stories re death of Stewart and some were hard to believe he was a
wonderful man - The Kansan - Where Are You?
For I do not remember reading what he had to say about Payne Stewart.

Was more than just very strange.

Saba

Clinton was notified of his plane and he was ready to shoot down  - all
four men inside were dead.

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[CTRL] WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?

2001-09-15 Thread Nakano Nakamura 

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The U.S. Government lied to the American People about
the following events. Each of these incidents led the
United States into War.

1898..THEY LIED about the sinking of the battleship
  Maine. (Spanish American War)
1915..THEY LIED about the sinking of the ocean liner
  Lusitania (World War I)
1941..THEY LIED about the attack on Pearl Harbor.
  (World War 2)
1964..THEY LIED about the Gulf of Tonkin affair.
  (Vietnam War)
2001..THEY are now telling us the truth about the
  attacks in the U.S. last Tuesday Sept. 11th?

QUESTION:  WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?

 Regards to All
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Re: [CTRL] NYT: SKY RULES-- Pentagon Tracked Deadly Jet but Found No Way to Stop It

2001-09-15 Thread Tenorlove 

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--- Saba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Remember Payne Roberts who won the Ryder Cupsuddenly he is in a
> plane dead with three other dead men flying across the country.

Payne STEWART, not Payne Roberts. Sacrificial victim according to
Kansan 1225, and BTW, how come he's so quiet this week???

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Re: [CTRL] The Fabrication of Jewish Nationalism and CooperationAgainst Terrorism (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Nurev Ind. 

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Nessie wrote:
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> > The earliest Greek mention of Jews puts the homeland of Jews in India
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> http://www.viewzone.com/abraham.html
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All drivel.

J2

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[CTRL] Konformist: EARLY WARNING: State Department memo warned of terrorist threat

2001-09-15 Thread Steve 

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San Francisco Chronicle, 14 Sept 2001

EARLY WARNING
State Department memo warned of terrorist threat
Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross, Chronicle Staff Writers
Friday, September 14, 2001
©2001 San Francisco Chronicle

Former U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz said yesterday that he was
"startled" by a little-noticed State Department memo that was issued a week
ago and warned that Americans "may be the target of a terrorist threat."

The memo, issued just four days before the attacks on New York and
Washington, identified the threat as coming from "extremist groups with
links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization."

"I have not idea what intelligence lies behind the warning," Shultz said,
''but they put this out because they had some sort of intelligence."

Shultz, who served as secretary of state under President Reagan, said he
received a copy of the Sept. 7 "worldwide warning" in his San Francisco
office on the day before the fatal attacks. The memo addressed concerns for
Americans overseas and made no mention of any possible attack on U.S. soil.

Reached last night, U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein said this was the first
she had heard anything about the State Department warnings.

"Everyone should have been (alerted), but then you would have to ask
whether they would have known what to look out for," Feinstein said.
"Of course," Feinstein said, "today is a different world, and I think a lot
of things are going to change.

"Bin Laden's people had made statements three weeks ago carried in the Arab
press in Great Britain that they were preparing to carry out unprecedented
attacks in the U.S.," she said. "Whether that was the derivation of this
(State Department ) bulletin, I don't know."

The warning dealt primarily with military bases in Japan and Korea.
But as Shultz pointed out, the mere fact that a warning was issued
indicates that "something was cooking."

And indeed, in the one-page alert, the State Department said it had
received information in May 2001 "that American citizens may be the target
of a terrorist threat from extremist groups with links to Osama bin Laden's
al Qaeda organization."

"Such individuals have not distinguished between official and civilian
targets," the report said, adding, "As always, we take this information
seriously. U.S. Government facilities worldwide remain on heightened alert."

"They had some sort of rumbling of something," Shultz said, "even if they
didn't pinpoint it in the right direction."

U.S. State Department representative Julie Reside in Washington downplayed
the significance of the bulletin yesterday, saying it was only the latest
in a series of "periodically" issued public warnings by the department.

Reside said warnings are available to media organizations and on the state
department's Web page.

"If it was based on intelligence, we cannot, of course, provide any
details, " Reside said.

It's not the first time this year that the bin Laden organization was
mentioned in a "worldwide caution." The first warning came in May, and was
later updated on Sept. 7 to include the threats to U.S. military personnel
in Asia.

Officials at San Francisco International Airport said they weren't aware of
the State Department warning - but someone in the airport security section
knew of it and passed word of the warning onto Mayor Willie Brown when he
called to check on the status of flight he was planning to take to New York.

"I didn't give it much thought at the time," Brown said. "It wasn't until
after the attacks that I even remembered the call."

Whether U.S. military installations around the world were aware of the memo
and took extra precautions is a bit unclear. Department of Defense
spokesman Glenn Flood said his agency would have received a copy of the
bulletin. But, he added, "There was no order from the Pentagon for every
base to go on heightened alert, because that's up to the commands in each
theater, and some are on alert anyway."

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher made mention of the bulletin at
a routine -- and sparsely attended -- media briefing last Friday. He
explained that the department was revising a June 22 notice to include
warnings about threats to the military in Japan and Korea and "to ensure
that the general American public is aware of this potential danger to their
safety."

Boucher declined to say whether the threat in Asia was directly linked to
bin Laden.

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[CTRL] Konformist: Echelon Gave Authorities Warning of Attacks

2001-09-15 Thread Steve 

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[Russ' note: the German newspaper referred to below, Frankfuter Allgemeine
Zeitung, is one of the most respected mainstream papers in the world. It
has a Website at , but it doesn't contain all of the paper's
English articles, and I'm unable to find the article being referenced. If
anyone has copy of the article, preferably in Englidh, please send it to
me. Thanks.]

Newspaper: Echelon Gave Authorities
Warning Of Attacks
By Ned Stafford, Newsbytes
FRANKFURT, GERMANY,
13 Sep 2001, 1:16 PM CST

U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least
three months ago that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack
commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of
American and Israeli culture, according to a story in Germany's daily
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

The FAZ, quoting unnamed German intelligence sources, said that the Echelon
spy network was being used to collect information about the terrorist
threats, and that U.K. intelligence services apparently also had advance
warning. The FAZ, one of Germany's most respected dailies, said that even
as far back as six months ago western and near-east press services were
receiving information that such attacks were being planned.

Within the American intelligence community, the warnings were taken
seriously and surveillance intensified, the FAZ said. However, there was
disagreement on how such terrorist attacks could be prevented, the
newspaper said.

Echelon is said to be a vast information collection system capable of
monitoring all the electronic communications in the world. It is thought to
be operated by the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia and New Zealand. No
government agency has ever confirmed or denied its existence. However, an
EU committee that investigated Echelon for more than a year just last week
reported its belief that the system does exist.

The EU committee said that Echelon sucks up electronic transmissions "like
a vacuum cleaner," using keyword search techniques to sift through enormous
amounts of data.

The FAZ, in its news story, described the system as covering the whole
world with 120 satellites. The newspaper also said Israeli intelligence had
collected information indicated that Arab terrorist groups planned to
hijack planes in Europe to use as weapons to attack targets in Tel Aviv and
other coastal cities in Israel.
Because of increasing concerns of plane hijackings, Israel has tested a new
x-ray machine at the Tel Aviv airport, the FAZ said. The machine capable of
detecting all known explosive elements, even if only in small quantities,
the newspaper said.
The FAZ said that German intelligence fears that in coming days planes will
be hijacked in Europe and the Near East, and that there is no sure way to
protect against it.

Reported by Newsbytes.com, http://www.newsbytes.com .
13:16 CST
Reposted 14:52 CST


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[CTRL] Konformist: 'Scrambled fighters arrived too late' (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_399743.html

Ananova :

'Scrambled fighters arrived too late'

US Air Force jets were scrambled to intercept the hijacked jets but arrived
too late, according to reports.

CNN says Pentagon sources have revealed at least four fighters took off from
bases in Massachusetts and Virginia.

It is said the fighters arrived a few minutes after the second airliner
crashed into the World Trade Centre and the third into the Pentagon.

Two armed F-15s took off at 8.52am EDT (1.52pm BST) on Tuesday from Otis Air
National Guard Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts - about six minutes after
American Airlines Flight 11 out of Boston crashed into the Trade Centre's
north tower.

The fighters raced toward New York but didn't arrive until after the second
airliner crashed into the second tower, reports CNN.

In the attack on the Pentagon, sources say two F-16s left Langley Air Force
base in southeast Virginia at 9.35am EDT (2.35pm BST) - just two minutes
before American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the military headquarters.

Sources say the FAA did not request any action in regard to United Airlines
Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania.

Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has said the Pentagon was tracking
the fourth airliner and could have brought it down if President Bush had
decided it was necessary.

He said: "I think it was the heroism of the passengers on board that brought
it down, but the Air Force was in a position to do so if we had to."

Story filed: 21:35 Saturday 15th September 2001





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[CTRL] Aftermath of World Trade Center collapse seen from orbit

2001-09-15 Thread Steve 

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NEWSALERT: Sunday, September 16, 2001 @ 0225 GMT
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   The latest news from Astronomy Now and Spaceflight Now


IKONOS SEES AFTERMATH OF WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSE

Space Imaging's IKONOS satellite took a new picture of Manhattan on
Saturday, showing the remains of the World Trade Center towers and
the debris and dust that has settled throughout the area. Also
visible are the many emergency and rescue vehicles in the surrounding
streets.

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0109/16ikonoswtc/


IKONOS VIEW OF PENTAGON
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This one-meter resolution satellite image of the Pentagon taken by
the orbiting IKONOS spacecraft shows extensive damage to the western
side and interior rings of the multi-ringed building.

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0109/12ikonospentagon/


SNEAK PEEK AT IMAX MOVIE "SPACE STATION"

Next year a new IMAX movie called "Space Station" will be released.
Over the coming week we'll present some sneak previews of this
previously unseen footage for our Spaceflight Now+Plus subscribers.
See the first two clips:

http://spaceflightnow.com/plus/

Subscribe via U.S. Store:
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RUSSIA LAUNCHES NEW DOCKING MODULE FOR ALPHA

The next step in assembling the international space station is
underway with the launch of Russia's Docking Compartment-1 module
atop a Soyuz rocket from Baikonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan. Liftoff
occurred at 2335 GMT (7:35 p.m. EDT) Friday. Linkup with Alpha is set
for 9:05 p.m. EDT Sunday -- watch our home page for live updates.

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0109/15pirslaunch/

See our detailed launch-to-docking timeline:
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STELLAR WINDS' X-RAYS MAY PLAY ROLE IN GALACTIC EVOLUTION
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Colorful star-forming regions that have captivated stargazers since
the advent of the telescope 400 years ago contain gas thousands of
times more energetic than previously recognized, powered by colliding
stellar winds. This gas radiated as X-rays is one of the long-sought
sources of energy and elements in the Milky Way galaxy's interstellar
medium.

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0109/16chandrawind/


SISTER STAR WORLD 2.5 MILLION LIGHT YEARS AWAY
--
Presented here is a new color image of the southwest region of the
Andromeda Galaxy taken with Subaru's prime focus camera
"Suprime-Cam". We see the stars of the Andromeda Galaxy as a great
many small white dots. Many of the stars, star clusters, and nebulae
in the image are seen clearly resolved for the first time.

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ATHENA DELAYED AGAIN

The continued difficulty getting personnel to the Alaska launch site
given the grounding of America's commercial air fleet has forced
officials to again postpone the blastoff of a Lockheed Martin Athena
rocket. Liftoff has slipped two more days to Friday, Sept. 21.

http://spaceflightnow.com/athena/kodiakstar/010914delay.html


CHANDRA EXAMINES A QUADRILLION-VOLT PULSAR
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The high-voltage environment of one of the most energetic and
strongly magnetized pulsars known has been surveyed by NASA's Chandra
X-ray Observatory. A team of astronomers found a powerful jet of
high-energy particles extending over a distance of 20 light years and
bright arcs believed to be due to particles of matter and anti-matter
generated by the pulsar.

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GREATER HUBBLE ACCURACY DEEPENS UNDERSTANDING
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The dedicated team effort to understand and correct systematic
effects in observations from Hubble's Faint Object Spectrograph has
now been concluded. In future astronomers who use the observations
from this instrument will be able to measure the exact velocity of
interstellar clouds, as well as the motions of individual parts of
nebulae and galaxies.

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0109/14hstfos/


UNIQUE TASKS FOR SMART-1 IN EXPLORING THE MOON
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Space scientists meeting in Berlin next week will compare their hopes
for the European Space Agency's first lunar project, SMART-1, with
other forthcoming missions to the Moon.

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[CTRL] Konformist: Ramzi Yusef, architect of first World Trade Center bombing, carried plans for airliner suicide crashes (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_7.html

Ramzi Yusef, architect of first World Trade Center bombing, carried plans
for airliner suicide crashes


Special to World Tribune.com
MIDDLE EAST NEWSLINE
Saturday, September 15, 2001

Ramzi Ahmed Yusef has long been behind bars. But he might provide the key
for federal investigators examining the suicide attacks in New York and
Washington.

U.S. officials said the destruction of the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon bear the imprint of Yusef, the 41-year-old Pakistani who was
convicted for the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. Yusef was arrested
and found with plans for a coordinated series of hijackings and suicide
crashes of several U.S. commercial airliners.

The plan was never carried out, the officials said, because of the
limitations of the poorly-trained squad. Most of Yusef's plans, including
the 1993 World Trade Center attack, failed to succeed.

"What we saw was the completion of Yusef's plans," an official said. "The
resemblance is too strong to ignore."

U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft said each of the hijacked planes were
commandeered by three to six attackers. Several of the attackers were pilots
trained in the United States, Ashcroft said.

Federal investigation sources said one of the suspects is Mohammed Ata. Ata
was identified as a Palestinian wanted for a 1996 bus bombing in Israel. So
far, the hijackers that crashed the four commercial planes were identified
as Egyptian and Saudi nationals who arrived from Canada.

One prospect is that Saudi billionaire fugitive Osama Bin Laden, together
with a Middle East government, revised Yusef's plans and launched
preparation as early as 1998. A senior German government official said the
intelligence services of Britain, France, Germany, Israel and Germany have
fingered Bin Laden as the prime suspect.

"The way it was carried out, the choice of targets, the military approach,
the highly professional preparation and the presumably large financial
resources mean there are many points that indicate we should look for the
perpetrators among those around Osama Bin Laden," Frank-Walter Steinmeier,
the chief of staff of Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, said.

The officials said Yusef, sentenced in 1998 to 240 years in prison, will
probably undergo additional interrogation. In addition, they said, the huge
pile of documents found in his possession as well as intercepts of his
conversations will be reviewed.

One U.S. counterterrorism source acknowledged that the first FBI
investigation of Yusef was incomplete and much of the material from the
first World Trade Center bombing was either ignored or did not undergo
proper analysis. The source said even the translation of the Yusef material
was an extremely slow process.

Yusef was regarded by U.S. counterterrorism officials as a key contractor
for Islamic terrorist attacks. They said he worked for such governments as
Iran, Iraq and Pakistan.

Born in Pakistan Abdul Karim Rind, Yusef grew up in Kuwait and began to work
with the Palestinian Hamas movement. Yusef was said to have built a network
that included Islamic militants in the United States, Europe and the
Philippines.

Initial support came from Pakistani intelligence and Saudi businessmen in
Karachi. But much of the financing was said to have stemmed from Saudi and
Arab Gulf nationals in such countries as Bahrain, Oman and the United Arab
Emirates. Later, Yusef obtained independent financing through arms
trafficking and selling his services to Middle East governments and Islamic
movements. Yusef based many of his agents along the Iranian-Afghan border.

The Bush administration has pledged to pursue the investigation of the
kamikaze bombings whatever the cost. U.S. officials said Pakistani leaders
have been urged to cooperate in the investigation.

"We're facing a different enemy than we've every faced," U.S. President
George Bush said. "This is an enemy that thinks its harbors are safe. But
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[CTRL] Konformist: FBI Links USS Cole Attack and World Trade Center Bombing (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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http://www.msnbc.com/news/629406.asp

Newsweek

FBI Links USS Cole Attack and World Trade Center Bombing

Hijacker had met with bin Laden agent connected to bombing of destroyer

By Mark Hosenball, Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman
NEWSWEEK

Sept. 24 issue ‹  A little more than two weeks before the attacks on the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the FBI began an investigation into two
of the suspected hijackers after receiving information from the CIA that the
men were associated with the terrorist organization of Osama bin Laden,
NEWSWEEK has learned.

  THE FBI PROBE was launched in late August after officials were
advised that Khalid Al-Midhar‹identified this week as one of the hijackers
aboard the American Airlines flight that crashed into the Pentagon‹had been
captured on a surveillance videotape in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, meeting with
one of the suspects in the Oct. 12, 2000, terrorist bombing of the USS Cole
in the Yemeni port of Aden, according to law-enforcement and intelligence
officials. The bombing, which killed 17 U.S. sailors, was quickly linked by
U.S. officials to bin Laden¹s organization.

   The disclosure that the FBI was actively looking for Al-Midhar and
one of his associates, Salem Alhamzi‹who has also been identified as one of
the suspects aboard the American Airlines flight that took off from
Washington¹s Dulles Airport and slammed into the Pentagon-represents the
first hard evidence that U.S. officials were aware of possible terrorist
ties of at least some of the hijackers prior to Tuesday¹s attacks. (For
NEWSWEEK¹s complete coverage of the investigation into the terror bombings,
see the magazine¹s Sept. 24 issue on newsstands Monday).
The intelligence linking Al-Midhar to a Cole bombing suspect is also
the latest evidence suggesting that Tuesday¹s attacks may have been the work
of the renegade Saudi exile bin Laden. NEWSWEEK reported last March that
internal FBI documents identified one of bin Laden¹s most senior ³security
officials² as a key conspirator in the Cole attack. President Bush today
called bin Laden a ³prime suspect² in the World Trade Center and Pentagon
attacks and added: ³If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States
and our allies, he will be sorely mistaken.²
The FBI probe was being primarily conducted out of the New York and
Los Angeles field offices of the bureau and was ongoing right up to Tuesday
morning, a law-enforcement official said today. But the bureau¹s attempts to
locate either suspect was unsuccessful, primarily because the only
information the two men gave to immigration authorities about their intended
destinations turned out to be ³completely bogus,² the official said.
According to accounts given to NEWSWEEK by U.S. intelligence and
law-enforcement officials, the CIA first notified the Immigration and
Naturalization Service on Aug. 21 that Al-Midhar should be placed on a
terrorist ³watch list² because of suspected associations with bin Laden. The
prime evidence, one official said, was the secret videotape showing
Al-Midhar at the meeting in Malaysia with one of the architects of the Cole
bombing. The man has since been jailed in Yemen.

 The INS checked its databases and discovered that Al-Midhar had already
entered the United States. After the CIA was informed of this, it passed the
names of Al-Midhar and his associate, Alhamzi, with whom he had entered the
country, along to the FBI. The FBI then began looking for the two men. When
the two entered the United States on business visas earlier this year, they
listed as their only addresses the ³Marriott hotel² in New York. Marriott
operates ten hotels in New York City, and the bureau began methodically
checking guest records for each of them. But no record was found. At the
same time, the bureau began checking the records of a second hotel chain in
the Los Angeles area after discovering that both Al-Midhar and Alhamzi had
entered the country last year as well and listed that chain as their
address. Again, no records were found.

Law-enforcement officials stressed that the bureau was still actively
looking for the two men on Sept. 11 as news of the bombings broke. ³We had
only two weeks and one small piece of information that was clearly bogus
about where they were supposed to be,² said an official.






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[CTRL] Konformist: Former CIA official defends story of Maine link to terrorism (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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http://www.bangornews.com/cgi-bin/article.cfm?storynumber=41131

Bangor Daily News
Saturday, 15 September 2001

Former CIA official defends story of Maine link to terrorism
By A.J. Higgins, Of the NEWS Staff


AUGUSTA ‹ The former chief of counterterrorism for the CIA defended his
assertions Friday that Bangor International Airport served as a connection
point for a cell of five terrorists en route to Boston.

In a telephone interview from his home in McLean, Va., Vincent Cannistraro
said his sources and former associates at the FBI would have had no reason
to mislead him while discussing how a cell of five suspected terrorists
entered Maine from Canada.

Cannistraro¹s claims conflicted with statements made Thursday by Gov. Angus
S. King and Maine State Police spokesman Stephen McCausland. Both state
officials said that based on the information provided to them by the FBI to
date, there appeared to be no Bangor or Canadian connection with the airline
hijackings. And Rebecca Hupp, interim director at BIA, said Friday she had
received no inquiries from the FBI concerning any activities at the airport.

Cannistraro, a 27-year intelligence veteran with a private consulting firm
that includes ABC News among its clients, conceded Friday it was possible
some Maine officials were simply not in the loop.

³I can only tell you what the FBI told me and that was that three of these
people got on the flight from Bangor,² Cannistraro said Friday.

As doubts continued to surround events in Bangor, investigations intensified
in Portland where the Portland Press Herald reported Friday that a local
woman may have had a relationship with one of the suspects in Tuesday¹s
attack on the World Trade Center. According to The Associated Press,
Portland police detectives were conducting interviews to determine whether a
mystery man reported to police by a university student was one of the
terrorists using an assumed name.

On Wednesday, King and McCausland confirmed that a 2001 silver-blue Nissan
Altima used by one of the terrorists had been transferred to the Maine State
Police Crime Lab from the Portland International Jetport. Federal officials
confirmed Friday that Mohamed Atta drove the rental car to Portland from
Boston.

The U.S. Department of Justice confirmed Friday that Abdul Alomari and Atta
flew out of Portland on Tuesday to Boston where they boarded American
Airlines Flight 11. That flight was hijacked and became the first airliner
to crash into the World Trade Center. The Portland woman may have had a
relationship with Alomari, who may have resided in the city for the past
year. She contacted authorities immediately after Tuesday¹s terrorist acts.

Maine State Police, Bangor police and officials at Bangor International
Airport continued Friday to maintain that the FBI had not indicated any link
between the terrorist plot and the airport.

Cannistraro said it could not be ruled out that the group that passed
through Bangor could have been part of a support system for the terrorists
who actually boarded the airliners. He said it was conceivable that the five
Middle Eastern terrorists entered the state from either the U.S. Customs
station at Jackman on the Quebec border, or in a rented car aboard one of
two ferries from Nova Scotia: The Cat, which docks in Bar Harbor, or the
Scotia Prince in Portland. The FBI has taken the passenger lists.

Cannistraro said the group drove to Bangor where they attempted to board a
connecting flight to Boston, but were unable to get on due to a lack of
available seating. Ultimately, he said, three of the group boarded the
Boston feeder flight and the two men left behind drove to Portland and
caught a connecting flight to Boston.

There has been no independent confirmation of Cannistraro¹s claims, and
efforts to obtain passenger lists from the airlines at BIA were unsuccessful
Friday.

It is known that a group of Middle Eastern men were in Bangor attempting to
purchase cellular telephones Monday. An official with the Unicel cellular
telephone company told reporters Friday that a group of Middle Eastern men
had offered his salesmen $3,000 Monday to purchase cellular telephones. The
salesmen refused when the men were unable to produce adequate
identification. The FBI met with Unicel employees this week to discuss the
incident.

Cannistraro said it was not clear to him why the terrorists would have
chosen Maine as an entry point to stage the hijackings.

³Presumably because it¹s easier to get into the United States from there,
particularly if you don¹t have your visa in order,² he said. ³Maine was just
convenient.²





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[CTRL] The Tarot Card for September?

2001-09-15 Thread Saba 

Speaking of the Fool falling - in the 1968 period there was an assassins
cult called the Tarot Card Assassins - not too much on them, but my old
friend Sybil Leek wanted me to find out more - but again information
quite limited but they were linked somehow to the Manson family and
Sirhan Sirhan - the Wanderer .much is written into a name.

Sirhan meant Wanderer  -

So I sent bible calendar readings to you  watchwords in particular, for
the calendar is keyed to astrology and symbolism of the Tarot.   Here is
one card with a more modern approach but many Tarot Cards show a tower,
which looks nuclear.

It is a matter these days who is dealing the cardsWhat we have in
the Zodia?  Well libra (though have been judged and found wanting -
Daniel).and Scorpio - heart of Scorpio is the brigh Red Star Antares
- means unrequited lovethen to the Archer, Sabitarius - on that day
in November on the 22 - the sun god lies at the feet of the Archer
Sagitarius.

Bible full of masonic symbolism and symbolism of the tarot cards and
astrology of course - George Bush had his bible and wanted to be sworn
in on the masonic bible - but open to the twelve tribes, where their
astrological attributes are carefully outlined.

What ever happened to Chandra Levy and little Monica - they may have
played a very important role and Condit and Clinton, played the Fools -
feet of Clay again out of Daniel -

So the  Swatstika was the emblem of the Chaldees - the
astrologers...and a sun symbol but still the symbol Hitler chose to
use

Falling towers, fiery serpents flying - and a huge fiery bird on some
tarot cards brings down the towerwhen gypsies use these cards for
your fortune it is one thing - creepy but when used by gypsy fortune
tellers like a Jean Dixon who was a paid political propagandist - well
None Dare Call it Propaganda

Besides when they loosed the astrologers and tarot card gypsies against
Gerald Ford, "the scientists" put out the word, which Eric Severeid so
eloquently delivered on the news one night in the 1970 period as their
prophecies were directed against Ford until they made him accident prone
while it was fun to watch,  the "scientists" said knock it off you have
gone to far.and noboy wanted those guys mad .

So prophecy is one thing - but dare not calla it propagandamind
controlpsychological war fare or even as I once called it
Premeditated Murder by Prophecy - and it hit the fan.




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[CTRL] Suspected Nazi War Criminal Dies

2001-09-15 Thread Tenorlove 

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http://www.RampantScotland.com/letter.htm

Suspected Nazi War Criminal Dies
85-year-old Anton Gecas has lived in Scotland since shortly after WW2.
In
the 1980s he was accused of being responsible for the deaths of 30,000
mostly Jewish civilians in Lithuania during the war. He lost a libel
case
against a Scottish newspaper which highlighted his alleged role but
attempts to bring him to trial for war crimes and to extradite him to
Lithuania failed. He suffered two strokes earlier this year and was
ruled
by doctors to be too ill to travel. Ironically, parliament has been
debating a bill on international crime this week.

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[CTRL] Will American 'fireworks' light Afghanistan's skies?

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 


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Subject: FreePalestine! Will American 'fireworks' light Afghanistan's skies By: Ali 
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Will American 'fireworks' light Afghanistan's skies?
By: Ali Baghdadi

It is just a matter of time and preparedness, but it is coming!  American fireworks 
will soon be lighting the skies over Kabul, as they did over Baghdad ten years 
earlier.  Tomahawk missiles, B2 stealth and B1 lancer bombers, cluster bombs, shells 
coated with uranium, as well as many new inventions that have not yet been tested, 
will soon be flying over Afghanistan, accused of harboring Osama bin Laden, the man, 
who, according to U.S. officials, masterminded the horrible attack on the World Trade 
Center and the Pentagon.  Our President George W. Bush has already reminded us, "That 
is my job."  We are also told that this war will "end" all wars, as did World War I, 
World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and the Second Gulf War, to mention 
just a few!!!


What the American government and American news media refuse to tell us is the fact 
that this "evil" man with the frightening beard and weird dress was, not too long ago, 
Washington's hero and fighter for "freedom and democracy" during the CIA led war 
against Soviet forces occupying Afghanistan.  We provided him with the money, 
firepower, and training that ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the 
conflict, which has been going on for a quarter of a century turned Afghanistan into 
rubble.

What they don't want us to know is the fact that the Taliban were brought to power 
through our intelligence; that "fundamental" Islam which America is mobilizing NATO to 
completely eradicate, is the American version of Islam that was born, not in Mecca, 
but here in Washington to fight "godless" communism.  The Quran that Muslims believe 
to be revealed by God, declared fourteen hundred years ago that "the taking of a 
single innocent life is equal to the killing of an entire people."

Instead of recognizing the misdeeds and the pain and suffering that our 
administrations have inflicted on poorer nations for the benefit of big business, 
particularly oil, our President the son, like the father, is determined to kill, maim 
and destroy, hoping that our advanced technology will force oppressed nations into 
obedience and submission.  Our leaders are not prepared to tell us the historical 
reasons that made Arabs, Muslims and developing nations hate and despise our 
government, and finally turn against us in a manner the world has not witnessed 
before.  They are not willing to face the truth and admit that our foreign, economic 
and military policy has failed us; that the young men who take the lives of innocent 
people and also their own lives have legitimate grievances which we have never 
attempted to deal with or listen to.

The reason that pushes some individuals to the edge and result in tragedies to others 
is easy to understand!

"It is simple physics.  For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If 
the United States continues to behave like an international bully, we will see a lot 
more of these attacks," Justin Raimondo was quoted by PRNewswire on September 12.

Raimondo, senior fellow at the Randolph Bourne Institute which studies foreign policy, 
says the September 11th attacks are a wake-up call about America's actions, past and 
future, overseas.

"We now have a quarter million American troops in 141 countries," says Raimondo.  
"Rather than actually protecting American interests, their actions are creating the 
kind of environment that leads to the kind of actions we saw in New York and 
Washington."

Raimondo adds, "just in the last week or so, we have bombed Iraq a dozen times.  We 
cannot expect to be immune from the same kinds of attacks we are making on other 
countries."

Robert Fisk, the renowned journalist for the British Independent, describes it this 
way:

"This is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world will be asked to 
believe in the coming days. It is also about American missiles smashing into 
Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 
and American shells crashing into a village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - 
paid and uniformed by America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering their 
way through refugee camps."

Noam Chomsky, a Jewish American world philosopher and scholar, wrote:

"The terrorist attacks (on New York and Washington) were major atrocities. In scale 
they may not reach the level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the 
Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and 
killing unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry at 
the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse cases, which easily 
come to mind."

No one doubts that we are the most powerful nation in the history o

[CTRL] Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA) statement on the terrorist attacks in the US (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 


From: oneworld
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 6:31 PM
Subject: FreePalestine! Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA) 
statement on the terrorist attacks in the US


RAWA statement on the terrorist attacks in the US





  The people of Afghanistan have nothing to do with Osama and his accomplices




  On September 11, 2001 the world was stunned with the horrific terrorist attacks on 
the United States. RAWA stands with the rest of the world in expressing our sorrow and 
condemnation for this barbaric act of violence and terror. RAWA had already warned 
that the United States should not support the most treacherous, most criminal, most 
anti-democracy and anti-women Islamic fundamentalist parties because after both the 
Jehadi and the Taliban have committed every possible type of heinous crimes against 
our people, they would feel no shame in committing such crimes against the American 
people whom they consider "infidel". In order to gain and maintain their power, these 
barbaric criminals are ready to turn easily to any criminal force.

  But unfortunately we must say that it was the government of the United States who 
supported Pakistani dictator Gen. Zia-ul Haq in creating thousands of religious 
schools from which the germs of Taliban emerged. In the similar way, as is clear to 
all, Osama Bin Laden has been the blue-eyed boy of CIA. But what is more painful is 
that American politicians have not drawn a lesson from their pro-fundamentalist 
policies in our country and are still supporting this or that fundamentalist band or 
leader. In our opinion any kind of support to the fundamentalist Taliban and Jehadies 
is actually trampling democratic, women's rights and human rights values.

  If it is established that the suspects of the terrorist attacks are outside the US, 
our constant claim that fundamentalist terrorists would devour their creators, is 
proved once more.

  The US government should consider the root cause of this terrible event, which has 
not been the first and will not be the last one too. The US should stop supporting 
Afghan terrorists and their supporters once and for all.

  Now that the Taliban and Osama are the prime suspects by the US officials after the 
criminal attacks, will the US subject Afghanistan to a military attack similar to the 
one in 1998 and kill thousands of innocent Afghans for the crimes committed by the 
Taliban and Osama? Does the US think that through such attacks, with thousands of 
deprived, poor and innocent people of Afghanistan as its victims, will be able to wipe 
out the root-cause of terrorism, or will it spread terrorism even to a larger scale?

  From our point of view a vast and indiscriminate military attacks on a country that 
has been facing permanent disasters for more than two decades will not be a matter of 
pride. We don't think such an attack would be the expression of the will of the 
American people.

  The US government and people should know that there is a vast difference between the 
poor and devastated people of Afghanistan and the terrorist Jehadi and Taliban 
criminals.

  While we once again announce our solidarity and deep sorrow with the people of the 
US, we also believe that attacking Afghanistan and killing its most ruined and 
destitute people will not in any way decrease the grief of the American people. We 
sincerely hope that the great American people could DIFFERENTIATE between the people 
of Afghanistan and a handful of fundamentalist terrorists. Our hearts go out to the 
people of the US.

  Down with terrorism!





  Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)


  September 14, 2001





Please circulate this statement.





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Re: [CTRL] Robertson Defends Falwell

2001-09-15 Thread RevCOAL 

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Today it was reported on some station I was watching that they're now
backpedaling, saying that their statements shouldn't be construed to mean
that they don't hold the terrorists to be the sole ones responsible for
the disaster...

I suspect that they got inundated with irate calls from ex-supporters who
vowed never to send them another dollar, and THAT is what prompted
their equivocation :-7


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Re: [CTRL] NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK

2001-09-15 Thread Saba 

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I do not drink and Jerry Falwell when he states God punishes American
for their actions - brings back memories of this Jean Dixon insinuating
John F Kennedy was punished by God for his actions.

I am sick of this religious crap - this Falwell and Flynt appeared on TV
together and it was show time but look at heir tract records?   Falwell
what does he do with all the money, I do not know, but Flynt donates
heavily to the ADL and is into gambling houses now with this Irving
Moskowitz in LA.

Get a copy of Jerry Falwells Liberty Bible in which he now has his own
concordance, etc...

And question why he is changing the meaning of words

Falwell and Flynt on the same stage?   They make a good pair.   You call
Falwell a Christian?

You got to be kidding; he is a little too fat to be a good Christian in
more ways than one - but then one must remember Billy Graham and his
connections to the Jewish Mafia?

It is all a matter of history.

Jerry Falwell suing Larry Flynt made nice topic for a movie and
tabloids; but each prospered in their own way for remember, Larry Flynt
too, was a "born again Christian" who was fronting for Jewish Mafia?

Check it out .. lots of tracks.

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Re: [CTRL] Attack 'could come this weekend' (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread RevCOAL 

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If it does, it will be just so much noise, signafying nothing; no real
resolution will be achieved by it, it will just be for the public's
consumption, so that it will seem as if the Shrub is doing something.

As the Klingons say on "Star Trek", "Revenge is a dish best served cold";
better to wait, gather the best intelligence possible, and then go in
when the target least expects it.  And make sure you DO get the ones
responsible, and just don't shoot at an easy target because it's
available, ala Clinton's aspirin factory bombing...


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[CTRL] Europol Questions Bin Laden Role in Attacks (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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Assalamu'alaikum,

Paper: Europol Questions Bin Laden Role in Attacks

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20010915_298.html

LONDON (Reuters) - The head of the European Union's law enforcement arm
warned on Saturday against rushing to blame the Saudi-born militant Osama
bin Laden for masterminding Tuesday's attacks on New York and Washington.
Juergen Storbeck, the director of pan-European police force Europol, told
the Daily Telegraph newspaper that a wide ranging investigation was
required to avoid bringing the wrong people to account.

"It's possible that he (bin Laden) was informed about the operation, it's
even possible that he influenced it, but he's probably not the man who
steered every action or controlled the detailed plan," Storbeck said.

"As for the idea that, sitting in Afghanistan, he could have controlled
the last phase of the operation is something we should not accept without
a lot of doubt," he said.

"Bin Laden is not the automatic leader of every terrorist act carried out
in the name of Islam."

U.S. president George W. Bush on Saturday singled out bin Laden, based in
Afghanistan under the protection of its radical Islamic government, as a
prime suspect behind the attacks which may have killed over 5,000 people.

The Daily Telegraph said Europol was giving serious consideration to
claims that some sort of state-sponsored terrorism was involved but had no
hard evidence.

"There are a lot of people with the same philosophy who may have been to
bin Laden's training camps, but are not necessarily under his orders,"
Storbeck said.

Europol, established by the EU's 15 member states to tackle such issues as
terrorism, money laundering and illegal immigration, set up an
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[CTRL] The Guardian- Who Will Dare Damn Israel?

2001-09-15 Thread William Shannon 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,552639,00.html



Who will dare damn Israel?

Messrs Blair and Bush, with help from on high, are ignoring the truths of the Middle East

Richard Ingrams
Sunday September 16, 2001
The Observer

The mountain of words and pictures last week mirrored the piles of rubble in New York. Like the rescue workers there, one waded in trying to find something that was alive, that would illuminate and explain what had happened.

Noticeable was the reluctance throughout the media to contemplate the Israeli factor - the undeniable and central fact behind the disaster that Israel is now and has been for some time an American colony, sustained by billions of American dollars and armed with American missiles, helicopters and tanks.

Such has been the pressure from the Israeli lobby in this country that many, even normally outspoken journalists, are reluctant even to refer to such matters. Nor would you find anywhere in last week's coverage, any reference whatever to things I have mentioned here in recent issues of The Observer: the fact, for example, that Mr Blair's adviser on the Middle East is an unelected, unknown Jewish businessman, Lord Levy, now installed in the Foreign Office; the fact that this same Lord Levy is the chief fundraiser for the Labour Party; unmentioned also would be the close business links with Israel of two of our most powerful press magnates, Rupert Murdoch and the newly ennobled owner of the Telegraph newspapers, Lord Conrad Black.

When Mr Blair, supported by these gentlemen's papers, pledges his support for Mr Bush as he prepares for war with an as yet unidentified enemy, we ought to be prepared at least to incur the charge of anti-Semitism by giving these matters an airing before the balloon goes up.

[CTRL] Excellent BBC debate online on America's next step (Real Player Needed) (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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Assalamu'alaikum

Contrary to criticism from Zionist newspapers in the UK, most of the
Americans and Canadians who saw this debate online said it was very good
and wished they had more of these in North America.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/video/events98/question/question.ram



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 DEFINING APARTHEID

Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and
Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the
term "crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices
of segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and
which also apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the
establishment and maintaining of domination by one racial group over
another. This includes the deliberated imposition of living conditions
calculated to cause physical destruction and any legislative or other
measures preventing a racial group from full development of their
political, social, economic and cultural life.  This is an accurate
description of what the zionists are doing to the Palestinian people
with the full support of the USA.

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[CTRL] [AL-AWDA] Stunned into disbelief as their 'normal' son is blamed (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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source:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=94339

Stunned into disbelief as their 'normal' son is blamed
Robert Fisk in Almarj, Lebanon, meets the family of Ziad Jarrah, who
died trying to destroy the White House
16 September 2001

When Ziad Jarrah climbed aboard United Airlines flight 93 from Newark to
San Francisco, was he planning to holiday in California or to destroy
the White House? The United States says the latter. His family begs
visitors and friends to believe in his innocence. His father Samir sat
beside me yesterday afternoon and opened his palms in that gesture of
innocence which is also a form of special pleading.

"He called just two days before the plane crashed to tell me he'd
received the $2,000 [£1,400] I'd sent him,'' Samir Jarrah said. Still
recovering from open-heart surgery, he sat, half slumped, sick and
traumatised, in a green plastic chair beneath the vines of his garden.
"Ziad said it was for his aeronautical course. He had told me last year
that he had a choice of courses - in France or in America - and it was
me who told him to go to the States. But there are lots of Ziads. Maybe
it wasn't him? He was a good, kind boy...''

At which point Samir leaned forward, brought his hands to his face and
broke down in tears.

Around us, a clutch of middle-aged men sat on identical chairs beneath
the vines, most of them members of the extended Jarrah family, all Sunni
Muslims, all appalled that a crime against humanity should stain this
tiny but wealthy village in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley. A massive new
village mosque - I've never seen so big a mosque in so small a town -
stood scarcely 200 metres from the front door, but both friends of the
family and Ziad Jarrah's uncle insisted that he was neither religious
nor political. "He was a normal person, Jamal Harrah said. "He drank
alcohol, he had girlfriends. Only last August, his Turkish girlfriend,
Asle, came to meet our family here because she wanted to meet her future
in-laws. He wasn't able to come with her because he said he was too busy
with his studies.''

Too busy to bring his fiancée to meet his family? Busy doing what? And
what was the $2,000 for? To continue studies at his Miami aeronautical
school? Or to buy air tickets for the Boeing 757 flight to California,
for him perhaps - and maybe for the other men named as hijackers by the
US government. It was Ziad Jarrah's flight that plunged to the ground in
Pennsylvania, apparently en route to self-destruction on the White
House, its passengers apparently wrestling with the hijackers, perhaps
with Ziad as he gripped the aircraft controls.

Asle was in Germany, freely giving evidence to the Bochum city police
who had just searched her apartment, discovering "aircraft-related
documents'' in a suitcase belonging to one of three men named by
Washington as hijackers. All of them - something the Jarrah family could
not explain and would not believe - lived together in Hamburg.

Asle had already reported Ziad missing, just as she had 18 months ago
when he disappeared for up to five weeks. And what she told the Jarrah
family over the telephone then gave them their first suspicion that
something was terribly wrong with their only son.

For according to a family friend, Asle told the Jarrahs that her fiancé,
who would visit her each weekend from his university in Hamburg, might
have gone to Afghanistan. Jamal Jarrah confirmed to me that this is what
Asle had feared. "But it turned out that he had been moving from his
first university in Greifswald to his new courses in Hamburg and had not
been in contact with Asle during that time.'' Five weeks to change
universities? Without telling his fiancée? Jamal hinted at some problems
between the couple at that time. But even so, would he not have told his
girlfriend his whereabouts?

The details of Ziad's life are as simple - or so the family say - as his
death is obscure. Three other men have been named as hijackers of Flight
UA93 - Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed Alnami and Saeed Alghamdi - and if two of
them lived with Ziad in Germany, his guilt seemed even more certain when
it was revealed that one of his fellow students was Mohamad Atta, the
Egyptian-born pilot who crashed American Airlines flight AA11 into the
World Trade Centre on Tuesday morning. "You cannot choose your fellow
students," Jamal Jarrah said. "He wouldn't have known his fellow
students before he turned up at the university.'' Or would he?

Ziad was 26, born - according to his Lebanese identity documents - on 11
May 1975, a village boy from a wealthy family. His father is a civil
servant in the Beirut department of social security, his mother a
schoolteacher. Ziad attended the evangelical school in the Christian
town of Zahle - about 12 miles from his home - and Samir paid thousands
to put his son through university. Ziad travelled to Hamburg on a
student visa four years ago, later attending the city's technical
university. He went missing 18 mon

Re: [CTRL] NYT: SKY RULES-- Pentagon Tracked Deadly Jet but Found No Way to Stop It

2001-09-15 Thread Saba 

-Caveat Lector-

Remember Payne Roberts who won the Ryder Cupsuddenly he is in a
plane dead with three other dead men flying across the country.

Clinton wanted to shoot it down it was said.

At this time Clinton was down in Florida with Greg Norman and had his
"hamstring" accident.

USAF saw inside the plane it was alleged...always believed something
really wrong here.

But apparently we had the capability to shoot down a plane but one
coming in low hedge hopping in residential areas etc., it is an
impossible dream?

It would have to be really destroyed in the sky but the damage incurred
from falling debris would not be so great.

Strange though Payne Roberts - flying clear across the country in a
plane driven by a dead pilot.

saba

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[CTRL] Alleged Highjackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases

2001-09-15 Thread Linda Minor 

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Date: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:21 PM
Subject: MSNBC News Link: Exclusive: Alleged Highjackers May Have Trained at
U.S. Bases



>** Exclusive: Alleged Highjackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases **
>The Pentagon has turned over military records on five men to the FBI. A
preview of Newsweek's complete coverage of the terror attacks, in the Sept.
24 edition, on newsstands Monday
>
>http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/629529.asp
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Re: [CTRL] NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK

2001-09-15 Thread William Shannon 
In a message dated 9/15/01 9:33:06 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


How in your wildest wildest wildest imagination could you ever ever
ever in the remotest way involve Falwell??? 

Falwell brought it on himself with his inane comments...
===
JERRY FALWELL AND PAT ROBERTSON SHOULD BE SHUNNED
FOR THEIR SHAMEFUL CONDUCT:
TODAY IS A DAY TO STAND TOGETHER AS AMERICANS, AS ONE PEOPLE

by William Rivers Pitt for BuzzFlash.com

"What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents."

Robert Kennedy

Amidst the dust and ruin, amidst the pain and woe, amidst the remarkable unity that is being demonstrated by Americans everywhere, there lurks a vein of hatred and evil that is nearly beyond description.

Some Americans today are leveling fingers of blame towards homosexuals, towards liberals, towards the ACLU, towards those who protect and defend a woman's legal right to reproductive freedom.

That anyone would seek to smear fellow American citizens with blame for the atrocities that have been visited upon us is wretched enough to make any decent human being physically ill.

That those who do this are denouncing our fellow citizens in the name of God is the definition of evil, and is the same kind of hate that drove those airplanes like a dagger into the heart of our nation.

I am ashamed to be an American today because of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

This is what Mr. Falwell had to say on Robertson's nationally broadcast television show, 'The 700 Club':

"The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this...throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle...all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'"

There were more Americans killed on Tuesday than in the attacks on Pear Harbor and the invasions on D Day and Iwo Jima combined, if the estimates prove to be true. There were more Americans killed on Tuesday than in a year's worth of fighting during the Vietnam War.

America has taken a mighty blow, yet we still stand strong. We are pulling together as best we can. So much greatness has been demonstrated by our firefighters, police, medical professionals, rescue workers and ordinary citizens who queue up to give blood, because it is the best thing they can do.

Yet, here is a religious bigot who has the unmitigated gall to lay blame upon some of our citizens because he does not agree with the way they live. He does this in the name of his vicious, hateful, bloody God. His God is not my God. His America is not my America.

Mr. Falwell should take that finger of blame and turn it towards his own miserable face. Religious and cultural zealotry and intolerance - on both sides - lies at the root of this disaster.

No worse fate could ever befall America than to have it to come under the sway of demagogues like Jerry Falwell.

Gay? To the wall.

Pro-choice? To the wall.

ACLU, defender of the Constitution? To the wall.

Not Christian? To the rack, and then the wall.

Support any of the above, or believe those citizens who support the above have the right to do so? To the wall.

Jerry Falwell has done a grave injury to millions of American citizens with his words. The First Amendment of the Constitution allows him to do so, allows him to advocate the destruction of the very rights that protect his hate and evil. Nevertheless, he must be punished for this.

I denounce Jerry Falwell and his lapdog, Pat Robertson.

I say, as an American, that these men do not represent the country I love and would die for. They are a cancer on the soul of our country, and they should be treated as such.


As a lifelong Catholic, this is no small matter for me. I dissent, and my God will understand why.

I say to my homosexual brothers and sisters, to those who are not Christian, to those who support the legal right of reproductive choice, that I am with you.


To Mr. Bush, I ask, at the appropriate time, that you denounce these people as well. Once upon a time you gave your soul to Jesus in the presence of Falwell. Be a leader, Mr. Bush. Be a leader of all of us.

To the world, I offer a plea: ignore these villains. They are not us. Religious extremism of any sort is the most dangerous threat in the world right now. That this breed of the Taliban are American makes them all the more so.

Mr. Falwell. God sees you, and is not pleased. Neither

Re: [CTRL] NEWS EMBARGO AFTER ISRAELI LINK LEAK

2001-09-15 Thread lassey 

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Saba,

Are you drinking??

How in your wildest wildest wildest imagination could you ever ever
ever in the remotest way involve Falwell??? Please think before
you say something so out rageous that causes HUGE questions marks
to be placed over everything else you say.

I am disappointed in such wreckless comments.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:29:04 -0400 Saba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Well I still remember the USS Liberty and the recent report on this
> JDL
> site whereby someone had written story that Israeli was losing
> propaganda war.even these charges of racism, etc.
>
> But as this one man told me there is a veiled face - the one we do
> not
> see.now who is the leader the head Potentate of Bnai Brith or
> this
> Zionist Movement - they got a Pope?
>
> Third world countries and many Arab nations worked with World Trade
> and
> US Chamber and this I now for a face because my sister as an Int.
> Trade
> Rep worked with them.and there was Zionist influence of course
> but
> they were usually part of, the commerce department itself.
>
> So patienceOsama bin Laden sounds like a real fruit cake for how
> does a guy like McVeigh pull off a job with a load of fertilizer in
> a
> rented truck,  and two planes bring down the symbol of the
> capitalistic
> system - while a bright Red Star is shining bright.   Osama does not
> like communist and he has big bucks.
>
> What is wrong here?   This World Trade Center had nearly every
> nation in
> the country involved.
>
> Someone is killing America and as far as I am concerned this bastard
> Jerry Falwell is part of it in for the kill.
>
> Maybe his tithes are not enough?And maybe must have blood
> sacrifices
> upon which to feed.
>
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[CTRL] Homepages Of Friends Of Suspected Terrorist Pilot

2001-09-15 Thread William Shannon 
http://www.aheadnews.com/gary.html



9.15.01 UPDATE:

"Writer Todd Brendan Fahey has obtained the following URLs of persons connected to at least one deceased suspect, Marwan Alshehhi of the United Arab Emirates, a pilot of the plane which flew into the first tower; one contains a guest-book of addresses of potential importance to FBI and CIA investigators: ...

...Developing http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/8822/home.html

...Developing http://www.angelfire.com/al/RA7AAL/LINK.html

...Developing http://www.angelfire.com/hi/salsabeel/

...Developing http://www.angelfire.com/ok/shay6oon/main.html

...Developing http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Lab/3555/

...Developing http://callisto.guestworld.tripod.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=RA7AAL

Additionally, through a German source, it is known that Marwan and Atta, as they were known, attended Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg, where Marwan is recalled by few and who likely finished his studies on structural architecture via correspondence or non-traditional means; Atta, conversely, "moved through campus like a fish in water," and was both a physical and intellectual presence there. This list of potential terrorist cell members is exclusive to AheadNews.com by Todd Brendan Fahey and may be reprinted only in its entirety and with this sentence in place."

Re: [CTRL] PREPARE FOR THE WORST

2001-09-15 Thread thew 

-Caveat Lector-

For many Americans from other countries, to return is indeed a death
sentence. Its one of those freedoms we offer here -

here in new york, we are as we always were - a multinational, multicultural,
commercial center, that accepts anyone of any religion creed race
nationality. We like diversity here in new york. This is how new york is now
and how it has always been, even before the British got here.


-- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - -  - - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - --
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The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve
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>
> When I said we should demand that non-citizens leave the country, I was not
> saying that
> they should be arrested or interred.  I was saying that they should return to
> their countries
> of origin --- WHERE THEY ARE CITIZENS!!! This is not a death sentence!!!
> There is no
> way this can be called racist.  But remember this; the southern half of
> Manhattan is covered
> with "xenophobia." We have 5,000 reasons to fear strangers.

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[CTRL] Fwd: any flaws in this logic/reportage?

2001-09-15 Thread Kris Millegan 







Title: 4PLANE




 
GETTING A FOOTING
First off, this was one 911 Emergency that had to happen. There are
still too many nations or groups within them that are total ‘have-nots’
and who get treated badly in the bargain. Mario Como. was quoted in the
online version of the "Nation" Magazine http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/,
(two days after the 4 planes hit) saying that America needs to help the
have-nots in the third world. He also said that the Twin Tower Terror "was
NOT at all like Pearl Harbor, as then, we KNEW the enemy." Instead of going
to war on just any Arab country, Como. recommended implementing greater
anti-terrorist cautionary measures which should have been there in the
first place and seeing to aid to the disenfranchised.
Regarding Cuomo's sense of there being too many ‘have not' groups on
the planet, today, beyond their ‘not having,' there is also the condition
of having long endured genocidal treatment. The Palestinians have endured
a half century of isolation and contempt from the Zionists.
To the Jews, the Palestinians are a bunch of 'darkies' who live in the
Israel area. They're despicable 'outcrowd' to the Jews. They are also very
hot blooded 'darkies', not rural, happy music making, tapdancing blacks
like our own, sweet ones Imagine the most angry Sacramento Serial killer
and go times three. That's what being locked out' does to you. The Sacramento
serial killer Soltys was locked out of his church while his wife was embraced
by it. He cracked. The Palestinians are having walking nervous breakdowns,
just like Soltys, only this nervous break down has been fifty years coming.
George Bush is the last in a fifty year string of presidents who have
turned a blind eye to the psychosis of the Palestinians and poor harassed
Israel continually taking our advice and muffing it, but of all of our
prexies, 80 IQ Bush is the worst. The others at least got very involved
in those Camp David type talks that actually did a lot of good.
With US pressure, Israel took the Palestinians out of the wire fence
concentration camps and gave them land and an equal start, jobs, aid. They
were like blacks on welfare, climbing upward, but paralyzed on the bottom
tier. All they could see was that they were dirt poor and lived on the
desert. They got angry. They didn't see how our blacks became top Generals,
Congressmen, sportstars. How any ethnic with talent or education could
climb higher than whites, even. No, they had no hope. They kept shooting
up buses and bombing pizza parlors so the Israelis ( who aren't perfect)
began to get testy. Israel is a country of contrasts. A matriarchy, it
swims in macho guys in uniforms with guns. Generous hearted, they gave
one of their provinces to these damn Arabs they inherited, and got shot
up for it and turned on the Arab ingrates and started making them go through
customs to leave their Arab villages. This bugged the Arabs.
It was a case of 'us and them' polarization. Israel is productive, green,
wealthy; their kibbutzim made the desert bloom. They also swim in our aid
money. The Arabs were given a patch of desert and locked out of the job
market. Israel could give these peasants jobs or at least WELFARE and food
stamps and lawn implants, sprinklers and tile fountains which sooth the
Arab. heart but instead Zionist soldiers regularly go in to Arab villages
with uniformed men, sniff around for terrorists and make them live off
to the side in the slums, going thru check point Charles all the time.
Worst of all however, is when they bomb neighboring Muslim countries, every
damn bomb has MADE IN THE GOOD OLD USA written on it.
The middle East senses that it's really the U.S.A. making Israel so
testy and not those squalid Palestinians. We should demand the Israelis
make their own damn bombs. What is this bad P.R. we're getting from racial
strife 7 thousand miles from our shore? And the sociopathic of their Arab
ranks have now exploded the planet's World Trade Towers? Is nothing sacred?
This four hijacked airplane 911 emergency action by the terrorists had
one objective: to open Bush's eyes and force him to stop supplying Israel
and stop telling Jews to kill Muslims. The Arabs want BUSH to start brokering/negotiating
a just peace in that part of the world like Carter and Clinton did. Bush
Jr couldn't broker a wonton in China town. He didn't follow Clinton's leadership
role in the middle east; he has consistently said 'let Arabs eat cake.'
Do that and you have revolution on your hands every time. These four flying
guillotines flown by suicidal Palestinians and Muslims were intended to
force Bush to pay attention to the Middle East. The terrorists succeeded
dismally if that was their intent. Cuz Bush is going to be paying a LOT
of attention to the MIDDLE EAST FOR A LONG WHILE now!
As Bush has failed to interpret the "HELP US" message and Israel will
certainly go on kicking its Palestinians around, terrorist acts will probably
c

Re: [CTRL] 'We Are on the Verge of the Abyss,'

2001-09-15 Thread thew 

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> "It was a heroic act," a teenager named Ismail Adnan said.

here is the problem, no?

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[CTRL] Israel threatens US coalition bid (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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source:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=94318

New assaults by Israel threaten US coalition bid
By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem
16 September 2001

There is deepening concern among Western powers that Israel is
complicating the task of building an international coalition against
terrorism by exploiting the American crisis to step up its military
assaults on the Palestinians in the occupied territories.

Fears are growing that the strategy pursued by Ariel Sharon, the Israeli
Prime Minister, is impeding the US and Nato coalition with Islamic
countries, where popular opinion has long been inflamed by Israel's
conduct during the intifada. Israeli combat helicopters fired at least
seven missiles in the Gaza Strip yesterday, targeting a refugee camp.
Three Palestinians died and more than 30 were hurt.

A day earlier, Mr Sharon called off truce talks between his Foreign
Minister, Shimon Peres, and Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian President.
The move went against the wishes of the US and European nations pressing
both sides to get back to negotiations. The West had hoped to lower the
temperature as the delicate work begins on coalition-building and
planning a military strike against Islamic targets.

Israel says Palestinian attacks, including mortars from Gaza, grenades
and shootings, have continued unabated since the assaults on New York
and Washington. An Israeli foreign ministry official said: "The last 48
or 72 hours have shown no diminishing in the level of violence and
therefore there is no reason why there should be any change in the right
of Israel to take defensive measures.''

Since Tuesday, 18 Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli army,
most during two tank raids into the Palestinian-controlled town of Jenin
on the West Bank. There have also been raids on Jericho and several West
Bank villages.

Arab exasperation against Western powers has been increased by Israel's
attempts to use the US tragedy to score political points in its conflict
with the Palestinians. Largely about Israel's occupation of Arab land,
this conflict has been joined by extremist Islamic-nationalists who use
suicide bombers to kill civilians in Israel. Mr Sharon and his spokesman
have compared Mr Arafat with Osama bin Laden, although none of the
atrocities committed by Israel or Palestine in the conflict can be
compared in scale to those in New York and Washington.

The US attacks have isolated the Palestinians and threatened to sweep
away any remaining vestige of sympathy in the West for their cause so
long as Mr Arafat does not crack down hard on extremists. Mr Arafat has
scrambled to condemn the US attacks, which has led the Americans and
others to conclude that the time is ripe to push through a cease-fire
and return to negotiations.

"The Palestinians are in deep trouble and some of their people are
trying to sort it out,'' said one source. "So it's not helpful for
anyone to be raising the temperature. This is not the lesson to draw
from what happened in the US, and it is not right to exploit it.''

This week the British Foreign Office denounced the Jenin raid, pointing
out that it only increases tension worldwide. The Israelis were deeply
annoyed. They were also angered when the French ambassador to Israel,
Jacques Huntzinger, said the Israeli-Palestinian conflict should not be
confused with the assaults on the US. After a storm of criticism, he
later said that there had been a misunderstanding.

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[CTRL] Guns and fried eggs in a mountain cave

2001-09-15 Thread flw 

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THE TIMES
September 16 2001

Abdelbari Atwan, editor of Al-Qods, met the guerrilla leader in his
spartan hideaway, linked to the outside world via satellite phone, and
heard of his dream to die a martyr

It was in a cave at the end of a narrow dirt road in a mountain range above
the city of Jalalabad, eastern Afghanistan, that I met Osama Bin Laden and
listened as he set out a series of goals that proved to be a harbinger of events
to come.

Mountain cedars hid the mouth of the cave. Inside, in rooms hollowed into
the rock face, computer screens glowed, fax machines whirred and messages
were sent via satellite telephone. The cave was a nerve centre of state-of-the-
art communications linking Bin Laden to a network of Islamic fundamentalists
stretching across America, the Middle East, Asia, Europe and Africa. Western 
intelligence believes that he
e-mailed instructions from here to his supporters on the timing of the 1995 car 
bombing in Riyadh that killed
five Americans.

I met him after that incident and a subsequent truck bombing that killed
19 American soldiers in the Khobar barracks, but before the twin attacks
on the United States embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam three years ago.

At the time Bin Laden was known to have three bases in Afghanistan, two
of which were tent encampments in Kandahar and Logar, where western
journalists were sometimes taken. The cave was his real headquarters.
It had been hollowed back into the rock face so that it extended to three rooms.

In Bin Laden's bedroom, where he slept with a Kalashnikov rifle he claimed
to have captured from a slain Soviet general, three uncomfortable beds with
thin mattresses were pushed up against raw shelving that held a library of
richly bound Islamic texts.

A second, smaller room contained his arsenal of Kalashnikovs, mortars and ammunition. 
The largest room had a
desk and two laptop computers connected
to the world by a satellite telephone.

His life appeared to be spartan. He and his fighters shared a dinner of four
fried eggs between 12 people. A generator supplied electricity, but Bin Laden
always kept a torch at hand in case of blackouts. The cave was warmed by a
jerry-built system of hot water pipes.

Anti-aircraft guns were stationed on the slopes above the cave, which was
guarded by a force of loyal fighters from around the Islamic world - Saudis,
Kuwaitis, Yemenis, Afghans - most of them veterans of the guerrilla war that
drove the Russians out of Afghanistan.

About a kilometre down the dirt road to Jalalabad was a checkpoint manned
by fighters of the Taliban. Bin Laden has since stopped using his satellite
phone for fear of detection by western surveillance, and is moving from cave
to cave surrounded by equally loyal supporters heavily armed with automatic
weapons and rocket launchers. He has never had a greater need for his ring
of defence.

"We saw the Riyadh and Khobar bombings as a sufficient signal for people of 
intelligence among American
decision-makers to avoid the real battle between
the nation of Islam and the American forces, but it seems they didn't understand
the signal," Bin Laden told me then.

"Military people are not unaware that preparations for major operations take
a certain amount of time, unlike minor operations. If we wanted small actions,
the matter would have been easily carried out. But the nature of the battle
calls for operations of a specific type that will make an impact on the enemy,
and this, of course, calls for excellent preparation."

Bin Laden made clear his determination to drive the Americans out of Saudi
Arabia and, ultimately, the Middle East. He became almost tearful when he
spoke of the presence of "infidels" on the land of Mecca and Medina.

He said his dream was to die a martyr. And I believed him.

Last week's attacks were inexcusable and appalling. I hope that by trying
to explain why Bin Laden commands a measure of support among a fringe
minority in the Arab world, I do not seem in any way to condone them.

Bin Laden, however, did not seem to me to be a typical military leader, but
a religious scholar as knowledgeable in discussing the Koran as any academic
I have met. He is doubly admired by his followers because, as a rich Saudi,
he could have led a life as pampered as that of a prince.

He attracts these followers not because of his charisma - he is a quiet
and softly spoken man - but because of a deep sense of injustice in the
Muslim world. In the eyes of many Arabs, the West, and particularly the
Americans, voice support for democratic principles while, at the same time,
supporting Arab governments that are essentially dictatorships.

The Saudi royal family, seen in the West as a great ally, is regarded by
Arabs as oppressing individual freedoms, violating human rights and
wasting the resources of the nation it governs.

Rightly or wrongly, this hypocrisy, as seen by Arabs, sends them into the
ranks of religious extremist groups. These, they believe, are

[CTRL] Cooper- Who Benefits? The Question No One Dares Ask!

2001-09-15 Thread William Shannon 
http://williamcooper.com/



Who Benefits?
The question no one dares to ask!
by William Cooper



Veritas News Service - Exclusive, September 15, 2001 -- Who benefits from the World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorist attacks? I can tell you that no Arab nation benefits. I can tell you that no Muslim benefits. So why would any of them mount an attack that even the most stupid idiot fanatic in the world would understand to be the instrument of the absolute condemnation and alienation of his cause by all humanity?

Like most Americans I looked to the Arab world for the source of the attack, Not because it was the most obvious solution, but because I have been programed by the media to look only in that direction. I did not look elswhere until stories appeared that set alarm bells ringing. Are we being deceived and manipulated? Who benefits from these attacks?

Questions that remain unanswered from the first World Trade Center Attack.

1. Who is Josie Hadas?

2. Where is Josie Hadas?

3. What was the cargo that Josie Hadas hired Mohammad Salameh to move?

4. Why have the police and the media not explicitly reported that bomb related wiring, instruction sheets and traces of explosives were found in the apartment of Josie Hadas and not in the apartment of Mohammad Salameh?

5. Why did Mohammad Salameh go to the police station twice to make a report of the theft of the van if he was a terrorist?

6. Why did Mohammad Salameh go to the Ryder van rental agency twice to collect a paltry $400.00 if he was a terrorist? Why did he rent the van in his own name if the use was to be a bombing?

7. Why did Mohammad Salameh not run away or try to hide if he was guilty?

8. Why was Mohammad Salameh's link to a given mosque so important while other criminals, such as Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Oliver North, Mike Milken, and most others were never linked to their religious affiliation or the church they attended.

8. What was the real role of the FBI in the bombing?

9. What was the role of the CIA in the lives of those accused?


Points to ponder about the second World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks.

1. Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said, "There is such a taboo on suicide in Islam, it is completely prohibited in Islam, that we find it inconceivable that somebody would invoke the name of God and then commit some act that is totally opposed to the faith." 

2. The video of Palistinians in the streets celebrating news of the attacks was made at around noon according to visible shadows. At the time the video was shot it had to have been near or after sunset in that part of the world. Therefore the video could not have been shot on the day or at the time claimed. 

3. Devout Muslims who would be willing to sacrifice themselves for their cause do not frequent bars and do not ever drink alchoholic beverages.

4. A devout Muslim would not take a copy of his holy book the Quran to a bar and leave it behind when he left after spending an evening drinking, participating in lapdances, and bragging about pending bloodshed to take place the following day. Who is so stupid that they would believe this?

5. Men who have been so careful during 5 years of planning, training, and careful preparations that never allowed even one leak do not brag the night before their mission that they are going to cause violence and bloodshed the following day, using credit cards with their correct names, allowing drivers licenses with photos to be xeroxed, nor do they spread incriminating evidence around like popcorn.

6. A devout Muslim on the way to his death would not leave his holy Quran in a parked car. He would take it with him.

7. According to news accounts the perpetrators planned the attack as long ago as 5 years, trained to carry out the attack, pulled it off without a hitch, and no information regarding the attack was ever leaked to anyone. 

8. Reference #7. Now someone wants us to believe that these were a bunch of drunken fools who shot pistols in their homes, braggarts, who spoke of impending violence and bloodshed to everyone they met and left incriminating evidence everywhere. We are supposed to believe that by some incredible miracle they escaped the notice of every law enforcement and intelligence agency in the entire world. Now read #7 again.

9. Why did the hi-jackers force passengers to call relatives?

10. They were able to hi-jack 4 large commercial jets full of passengers without any problem.

11. They were able to deviate from the flight plan and crash into their targets without any effort from law enforcement or the military to stop them.

12. The simultaneous hi-jackings of 4 large commercial jet aircraft did not alert anyone to the possibility of the impending attacks.

13. Despite the evidence of wreckage strewn over several miles in Pennsylvania and the testimony of eye witnesses the government still denies that Flt-93 was shot down by an F-16 fighter aircraft that was identified as having flow

[CTRL] Cheney's Exile

2001-09-15 Thread William Shannon 
http://www.counterpunch.org/



Is Camp David Cheney's Siberia?

When President Bush and the rest of America's elites mustered on Friday in the National Cathedral for the service of prayer and remembrance, vice president Dick Cheney was nowhere to be seen. The official reason given for this conspicuous absence of the man many believe has been running the country: the Secret Service and FBI fear further terrorist attacks, and insist that at no time can the President and Vice President be in the same place, lest a single terrorist blow would decapitate America's leaders and leave the nation to be led by Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert.

One very highly placed denizen of the Clinton White House is giving friends a rather different reason why Cheney is sequestered far from the press cameras at Camp David. It seems that President Bush's widely ridiculed journey from Sarasota, Florida, through Barksdale AFB outside Shreveport, Louisiana, to a Strategic Air Command bunker outside Omaha, Nebraska, took place at the urging on none other than vice president Cheney. It was the vice president, on this account, who insisted that Bush not return directly to Washington, on grounds that the journey was too fraught with danger.

Bush finally limped into Washington late on Tuesday, with the vast, distraught national audience noting the contrast between Mayor Rudy Giuliani's sterling conduct in New York and the prudent invisibility of the commander in chief. Cheney, it seems, decided against making a public appearance on Tuesday, fearing that this would seem too close to a vice presidential coup d'etat. Memories are still vivid in Washington of the terminal blow Secretary of State Al Haig struck against his own career when, in the immediate aftermath of the assassination bid on Ronald Reagan, he strode to the White House pressroom announced to the world, "I'm in control here."

As Wednesday dawned a continued poor showing by Bush would have further savaged his credibility as a leader, particularly if Cheney seemed to be the man issuing the orders. On Wednesday Bush's inner circle rushed to repair the huge political damage caused by Bush's strange itinerary the previous day. Bush hatchetman Karl Rove leaked a preposterous story to the ever credulous William Safire at the New York Times that a Muslim terrorist mole in the White House had leaked targeting data and that it would have been madness to let Bush enter Washington air space. Bush was given a stronger script to read to his cabinet. Even then, Cheney was nowhere to be seen. He had already been packed off to exile in the Camp David dacha, told to keep his head down and his mouth shut.

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CounterPunch Vindicated!

We reported Friday on this site the exile of vice president Dick Cheney to Camp David. The White House line is that the threat of further terrorist assaults demand that the President and Vice President never been in same building. We cited a different interpretation: that the White House decided that Cheney's commanding presence was undercutting Bush's already frail stature as the Commander in Chief. Confirmation of our view came on Saturday with official White House pictures of Bush and Cheney sitting on the same couch in Camp. Or is the assumption of the Secret Service that Muslim kamikaze terrorists take the weekend off?

[CTRL] More On Faked Palestinian Celebration

2001-09-15 Thread William Shannon 
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?fileName=lsn20010915175051.html



Israeli Lobby Planted Phony Story About Palestinian "Celebration"
AP Deliberately Ran 1991 News Reels To "Prove" Palestinians Were Celebrating The Attack
9/15/01 5:50:51 PM

LSN Staff

Jenin, Occupied Palestine -- The American-Israeli Political Action Committee was the source that planted a
phony news story in the media claiming Palestinians had taken to the streets in
large numbers to celebrate the attack on the United States, and the Associated
Press, lacking real footage of the event, misrepresented news footage shot in
1991 as being real footage of the events falsely claimed in the AIPAC press
release.

According to sources who receive the AIPAC press release, it was accompanied
with a photograph of a Palestinian celebrating that AIPAC represented as being
an ongoing celebration, but in reality was a file photograph AIPAC had acquired
several years ago.

Major news sources, figuring that a Zionist group would of course *never* lie
to them, because Zionists *never* lie, immediatey manufactured footage to
depict the events AIPAC claimed.

Alexander Cockburn, editor of Counterpunch, in a bulletin issued by
Counterpunch, made the following statement: "Marcio A.V. Carvalho of the state
university of Campinas in Brazil has reported that he and his colleagues had
compared this tape with one from 1991 showing Palestinian cheering, and found
them to be identical."

LSN reporters who tried to contact the AP were told that they had been "ordered
not to comment on allegations surrounding the videotape". LSN sources within
CNN made similar comments.

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: surprise history

2001-09-15 Thread Saba 

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We this is a surprise because Barbara Douglas who married Hap Arnold's
son, served in England with my brother in law and sister and they were
very very close friends.

My brother in law was pall bearer at Hap Arnold's funeral and we have
film of the procession held in Washington.

So you are saying Hap Arnold was a Nazi?   Look away for Hap Arnold and
George Patton both were heros.

Tell me - where did Ken Thomas meet Arnold's son, for surely he never
knew the father..

Would love to write my family about this acquaintance and these charges
that Hap and son were Nazis?

Give a choice, who you gonna go for - th Nazis, Zionists, or Communists
- take another look  they are all in the same boat and this shit you put
out to me is what it is all about.

Remember it was the Pentagon attacked  - who you going to call onto
defend you now - Colin Powell and his Jamaicans?

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Re: [CTRL] Secondary Explosions was Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] FTW Subscriber Bulletin

2001-09-15 Thread RevCOAL 

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On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, thew wrote:
>can anyone say "jet fuel"
>can anyone say "gas lines"
>can anyone say "electrical box explosions"

The explosions came from below the SECOND tower, within a minute of the
FIRST tower being hit; the second tower hadn't been hit yet, so there was
no jet fuel, and no reason for gas lines to have been severed or the
electrical system to have been compromised at that moment.

People below the impact site in the first tower were able to successfully
evacuate via the stairwell; they did not report any flaming fuel oil
spilling down; neither was any natural gas smelled until after the first
tower collapsed...


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Re: [CTRL] Amelia Amelia Amelia

2001-09-15 Thread William Shannon 
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P. S.  Will leave it with you for a bit, taking my intel
connections which go back to Vietnam Operation Phoenix with me.
Anything earth-shattering will send separately to you only.  

I don't know what to say, I DO hope to hear from you ok?

Bill.

[CTRL] AFP: Bin Laden's tentacles spread into Israel: report

2001-09-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER 

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http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/article.html?s=asia/hea
dlines/010914/world/afp/Bin_Laden_s_tentacles_spread_into_Israel__report.ht
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Bin Laden's tentacles spread into Israel: report

JERUSALEM, Sept 14 (AFP) - Israel Friday threw a cloak of secrecy over its
investigations into the Osama bin Laden trail, as the suspected mastermind
of the horrific attacks in the United States was reported to have ties with
Palestinians.

The Israeli daily Haaretz cited the arrest of 27-year-old Nabil Ukral in
the Gaza Strip last year, saying he was supposedly the first representative
of Bin Laden's organisation in the territory.

The chief of military intelligence, Major General Amos Malka, recently said
"bin Laden has already tried and will surely try to reach Israel again."

But Israeli security services refused Friday to discuss bin Laden, and
would not confirm that intelligence operations have been stepped up since
Tuesday's strikes in the United States.

"There have been reports to that effect, but we are not commenting on those
reports," David Baker, a spokesman for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's office
which houses the Shin Beth security agency told AFP.

Haaretz said the arrest of Ukal at the Rafah crossing on June 1 last year
attracted little attention other than that shots were fired between Israeli
security guards and Palestinians trying to block the arrest.

But over time, it emerged that Ukal served "as a key figure" in the
organisation operated by the Saudi-born, Afghan-based, bin Laden, the
report said without quoting sources.

In October 1997, Ukal left the Gaza Strip for religious studies in Pakistan
where he joined an organization affiliated with bin Laden and underwent
paramilitary training in Afghanistan, Haaretz said.

He allegedly returned to the territory with orders to set up a paramilitary
infrastructure, including the participation of Israeli Arabs, and remained
in contact with bin Laden activists in Jordan and Britain via e-mail.

He also met in the Gaza Strip with Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual
leader of the radical Islamist group Hamas, informing him of the training
that he had undergone in Afghanistan, the report said.

When charges were brought against Ukal, he was indicted for planning to
carry out a large-scale attack in the center of the country, sending
suicide bombers and attacking Israel soldiers.

While the trial is still continuing, there is no known information on any
other arrests linked with bin Laden.

But Haaretz said 10 members of the bin Laden cell in the territories were
arrested by Shin Beth and the Palestinian Authority during the weeks before
the outbreak of the Palestinian intifada, or uprising against Israel, which
began last September.

Although bin Laden is scarcely known in the Gaza Strip for struggling to
end the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories, he was hailed after
the US strikes.

"Bin Laden struck against America and the infidels," said Saleh, 32, during
demonstrations in the town of Khan Yunis.

"Bin Laden is a hero, he is defending Jerusalem and Palestine," said
Mohammad,a freshman student in social sciences.

Yoram Shweitzer, a researcher on terrorism at the Interdisciplinary Center
in Herzliya, believes Israel remains a bin Laden target.

"He will do this by trying to infiltrate here or by trying to recruit
people from the territories. He will try different creative ways."

Action against bin Laden 'will start holy war' (Filed: 15/09/2001) Muslims
will have a duty to fight if America attacks the Taliban, Alex Tillius is
told in Peshawar AS Maulawi Gul Rahman prepared for lunchtime prayers
yesterday, he donned his ragged scholar's robe, stroked his tangled beard
and pondered the question of what the affects of American military
retaliation against Osama bin Laden would be.

The maulawi, a senior priest, who considers himself a moderate by the
region's standards, said: "Muslims around the world, from north, south,
east and west, would wage war against the United States.

It would be holy war, our duty." They were not empty words.

Anyone in any doubt that reprisals against the Saudi exile and his Taliban
hosts would do anything other than bolster anti-Western Islamic militancy
need spend no more than a few minutes in the sinuous bazaars and dusty
religious schools of Peshawar.

To many here, bin Laden is an icon. He is seen as a pious man defending
Islam against combined Israeli and American aggression. As a just and holy
warrior he could not have killed so many innocent people in New York and
Washington. The attack is blamed on a conspiracy to defame Islam or vague
notions of natural justice for previous American offences. The name Osama
has become a popular choice for parents wishing to bestow Islamic virtues
upon the newly-born, as was Saddam in the wake of the Gulf War.

A man selling posters bearing bin Laden's image on a pavement said he had
sold all his stock since Tuesday. "It's my number one seller

[CTRL] Fwd: Criminal Negligence or Treason

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"Police radio broadcasts 'This was a terrorist attack. Notify the Pentagon.' 9:08 a.m."
('Daily News' (New York), 12 September 2001, NEWS SECTION; Pg. 24: THE TRAGIC 
TIMELINE, our emphasis)
[Emperor's Clothes note: This was after the first and second planes had struck the WTC 
Towers. The third plane is said to have hit the Pentagon 35 minutes later, at 9:43 am.

"In Sarasota, Fla., Bush was reading to children in a classroom at 9:05 a.m. when his 
chief of staff, Andrew Card, whispered into his ear. The president briefly turned 
somber before he resumed reading. He addressed the tragedy about a half-hour later. " 
['AP' Sept 12, 2001, our emphasis]

"President Bush listened to 18 Booker Elementary School second-graders read a story 
about a girl's pet goat Tuesday before he spoke briefly and somberly about the 
terrorist attacks."
--Sarasota Herald-Tribune, September 12, 2001 Wednesday, A SECTION; Pg. A20
HEADLINE: Bush hears of attack while visiting Booker [Emperor's Clothes note: The 
school was Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla.]

We are not soothsayers.

We cannot say with certainty what happened Sept.11 - that is, what really happened, 
behind the scenes.

But the following report from the semi-official 'N.Y. Times' makes it clear that 
either Americans are being lied to by the those in the highest places - which if true 
has the gravest implications - or Washington's New World Order is ruled by criminally 
negligent morons.

In an analysis of the 9-11 nightmare, which we have been preparing, one of the things 
we asked is: how could the so-called third plane stay in the air, hijacked, for almost 
an hour after two other hijacked planes had struck the WTC Towers, and not be seen and 
intercepted by U.S. air defense forces? How could it fly to the Midwest, turn around 
and fly back to Washington, to the Pentagon, undisturbed?

Apparently it occurred to someone On High that ordinary folks might harbor such 
thoughts, hence the following article has been published by the 'N.Y. Times,' with the 
apparent intention of defusing such doubts.

But the cure is worse than the doubts. It is one thing to say the plane was not 
spotted. But to say, as this article does, that the plane was spotted, that it was 
tracked from the time it turned back from the Midwest until it struck the Pentagon, 
and yet nothing was done because they "didn't know what to do" - this is simply 
unbelievable.

* If they knew the plane was coming, why didn't they force it down and failing that, 
shoot it down? Before you say "They wouldn't do a thing like that," note that whatever 
fool edited the 'N.Y. Times' article left in the following sentences, regarding the 
fourth plane, the one that, we are told, crashed in Pennsylvania:

"Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy defense secretary, said today that the Pentagon had been 
tracking that plane and could have shot it down if necessary; it crashed about 35 
minutes after the Pentagon crash." (From article posted below)

So if they "could have shot" down the fourth one, why didn't they shoot down the 
third? Why didn't they shoot down the first three, or at least planes two and three? 
Once they "knew" these were suicide hijackings what were they waiting for them to do, 
hit the WTC Towers and the Pentagon? Or a nuclear power plant?

And why, if they were really confused about what to do, why, after the Commander and 
Chief was informed about what was happening, didn't he immediately convene an 
emergency meeting to discuss the issue? Why did he keep reading to children and 
listening to stories about goats while the 3rd plane flew towards Washington? (See 
quotes at start of this article)

Moreover, knowing that two other planes had hit highly visible symbols of US power, if 
they knew a third plane was heading for Washington, wouldn't it be reasonable to 
assume that the next target would be a symbol of US power in Washington? Why then 
didn't they order the evacuation of the most sensitive public buildings? And wouldn't 
that mean, right at the top of the list, the Pentagon? Yet according to news reports:

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Up to 800 people may have died Tuesday when a hijacked commercial 
airliner was crashed into the Pentagon, officials said.

"Firefighters were still battling a fire on the west side of the 29-acre, 6 
million-square-foot building late Tuesday, more tha

[CTRL] WIDE SCALE MILITARY ATTACK ON GAZA BY AIR, SEA AND LAND (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:05:30 -0400
From: Zahi Damuni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Al-Awda News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [AL-AWDA] WIDE SCALE MILITARY ATTACK ON GAZA BY AIR, SEA AND LAND

*
HEAR PALESTINE
*


Saturday, 15 September 2001

*FOUR PALESTINIANS KILLED TODAY; ONE KILLED YESTERDAY
*WIDE SCALE MILITARY ATTACK ON GAZA BY AIR, SEA AND LAND
*EARLY MORNING PENETRATIONS INTO PALESTINIAN AREAS
*ARAFAT: UNPROVOKED MILITARY STRIKES ISRAELI DELIBERATE ESCALATIONS
*SHARON CANCELS ARAFAT-PERES MEETING

*

It was pointed out in the past two editions of 'Hear Palestine' that the
Israeli government led by Ariel Sharon is taking advantage of the outrageous
crime committed against the Americans and others in New York and Washington
DC.

In fact, Sharon did exactly that. He had rejected President Bush's request,
which was followed by a similar request from Secretary of State Collin
Powell, to hold the meeting designed to take place between President Arafat
and Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres.

Sharon's orders to Peres not to meet with Arafat provoked a row because of
Sharon's office's denial of such orders. Shimon Peres heard the order on the
radio. When he called the director of Sharon's office, the director denied
any such statement.

Today, Sharon confirmed that he does not want the meeting to take place,
because it will harm the national interests of Israel.

Shimon Peres requested an urgent meeting with Sharon to discuss the matter.
At the entrance of the office of Israel's Prime Minister, Shimon Peres said
that the meeting with President Arafat must take place, that it would be
constructive and that the Americans want the meeting to take place.

The Palestinians declared that they will be present as agreed with the
American officials at the designed time and place.

But, what did Sharon mean by "the national interests of Israel"?

Sharon wants to take advantage of the USA catastrophe and the blood of
American victims shed by the sick terrorist attacks in New York and
Washington. He is trying to label a whole people, the Palestinians, and
nations of 260 million people as terrorists who deserve to be wiped.

Sharon, who possesses the same sick terrorist mentality of those who had
savagely and outrageously attacked the world trade centre, wants to make use
of the time lapse between the catastrophe and the US reprisal to commit mass
crimes against the Palestinians. To allow the meeting designed between
Arafat and Peres might hamper his mass crime plans.

While discussing the encounter (in a loud voice) with Peres, Sharon ordered
an unprovoked synchronized vicious attack in the Gaza Strip by air, sea and
land. School children, who were just stepping out of their classes got a
shock that left them crippled where they were crying in fear.

More than 23 missiles until now were launched against the Palestinians, from
Apache helicopters, warships and tanks that penetrated deeply into the Gaza
Strip from the north, middle and south.

Sharon is racing with time to carry his plan to activate the transfer. He
wants to create a defacto before the American President and his
administration get out of the shock.

One tends in view of the ambiguity of the situation and in view of the
enthusiastic and feverous attitude of the Israeli government of condemning
in a very clear racist attitude all Arabs, all Palestinians and all Moslems,
to think that there must be a link between the terrorists who carried the
outrageous massacres in New York and Washington and those who committed
similar massacres in Beirut in 1982 and in the refugee camps of Sabra and
Shatilla.

The USA particularly should take into account all possibilities and avoid
jumping into hasty conclusions.

Palestinians have the right to independence. They do not want Israeli tanks
and soldiers occupying their land.

If President Bush can say that all Americans are terrorists because of the
American who destroyed the FBI building in Oklahoma, then Sharon is right in
labelling all the Arabs and Palestinians as terrorists.

However, President Bush can condemn a state that supports terrorism, or a
state that uses its military institutions to impose torture on another
nation by occupying its land and carrying daily torture against it.

The Israeli military institution (armed by sophisticated American weaponry)
is practicing state organised terrorism against a whole nation- the
Palestinians.

The United States has the right to do all what is possible to curb down and
burry terrorism. Will President Bush apply the same against states who carry
organised systematic terrorism against whole nations?

There is one state clearly doing so- Israel.

*


EVENTS


*MILITARY ATTACKS IN KHAN YOUNIS; FOUR CIVILIANS

[CTRL] Arrests, rumour and false alarms as manhunt spans the world (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

-Caveat Lector-

Arrests, rumour and false alarms as manhunt spans the world

[source: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=94151]

By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles, Jason Bennetto, and Frances Kennedy in Rome

15 September 2001

An increasingly jittery investigation into Tuesday's attacks on New York
and Washington, and the network of suicide bombers behind them, spread
around the world as police in at least eight countries swooped on members
of Islamist groups suspected of ties to Osama bin Laden and his al-Qa'ida
guerrilla group.

The frenzy of police activity included the arrest of six alleged activists
in Belgium and the Netherlands, four of whom were picked up following an
intelligence tip that they might be planning a strike against American
targets in Europe.

In Italy, police reopened an investigation into the theft of a pilot's
uniform, a badge and two US passports from American Airline employees last
April. In Manila, American and Filipino authorities raided a hotel
following reports that three men with Omani passports were seen
videotaping the US Embassy across the street. A key arrest in the 1993
bombing of New York's World Trade Centre was made at the same hotel.

The hunt for associates of Mr bin Laden, named as the chief suspect in the
attacks by the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, continued in Germany,
where one man was arrested earlier this week and a young woman taken in
for questioning, and also spread to Mexico and France. In Britain,
anti-terrorist officers and security service agents said they were
tracking suspected members of al- Qa'ida but believed they had gone into
hiding since Tuesday.

In the United States, meanwhile, there were increasing signs of panic as a
flurry of arrests, airport closures and reports of possible new suicide
hijacking attacks appeared to be the result of over-reaction or unreliable
initial leads.

Ten people of Middle Eastern origin detained at John F Kennedy airport in
New York on Thursday night - a threat taken seriously enough to prompt the
closure of all airports in the area - were exonerated and released
yesterday. Joseph Biden, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
explained that the panic that was prompted by their apprehension was the
result of a series of coincidences. One belligerent man who insisted on
being allowed on to a full plane turned out to be just that - belligerent
and nothing more. A man in an American Airlines uniform turned out to be
an American Airlines employee on his way to a Boeing conference.

Another man thought to be carrying a fake pilot's licence turned out to be
a bona fide pilot carrying his brother's identity papers as well as his
own. Mr Biden told reporters: "His brother happened to live in an
apartment complex that was one in Boston where some of these people had
actually been. Totally, totally coincidental."

There was also a melodramatic car chase in Staten Island that turned out
to be a hunt for a phantom. In Florida, meanwhile, a flight engineer for
Saudi Arabian Airlines, Adnan Bukhari, was cleared of suspicion after he
passed a lie- detector test and evidence emerged that his identity might
have been misappropriated by the hijackers. His name, along with that of
his dead brother, was apparently picked up from a rental car left at an
airport in Portland, Maine, and appeared to match another Bukhari
questioned following the police raid in the Philippines.

There is growing evidence that the semi-autonomous cells that planned and
executed Tuesday's attacks used a variety of subterfuges and decoys to
fool investigators, including fake identities, false or altered passports,
and even disguises. Historically, this has often been part of the modus
operandi of guerrilla networks structured by semi-autonomous cells. The
precise nationalities of the dead hijackers have yet to be pinned down, as
have their relationships to one another. There are many similar names in
circulation and reports of several sets of brothers, but these have not
been established with any precision. It is not known how many of the
hijackers knew each other, or whether they were aware of any more of the
plot than their own specific part in it.

The latest intelligence from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, reported
in yesterday's Los Angeles Times, suggests that up to 30 people were fully
trained and ready to die for their cause. John Ashcroft, the Attorney
General, has said 19 hijackers had actually gone into action, suggesting
that there are another 12 at large, as well as a further 20-odd suspected
accomplices.

Investigators are very worried about the possibility of another attack. In
addition to the arrests in New York, two men were detained in Forth Worth,
Texas, on Wednesday after they were found on an Amtrak train with
box-cutting knives. The FBI has not ruled out the possibility that there
was a plan to hijack a fifth plane at Dallas/Fort Worth airport.

New evidence has also emerged that Tuesday'

[CTRL] Syrian connection

2001-09-15 Thread Steve 

-Caveat Lector-

DAY OF INFAMY 2001
U.S. equipped
terror sponsors
Clinton exported NSA-ducking phone,
high-tech encryption devices to Syria
By Paul Sperry
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON -- The dozen or so Islamic
terrorists who pulled off the plot to strike at
America's nerve centers in New York and
Washington spent months, if not years,
researching, planning and coordinating the
surprise attacks, U.S. security officials say. And
they did it completely in secret, using the world's
most sophisticated telecommunications equipment,
some secured by advanced encryption technology
that most armies don't have.
Where did they get such state-of-the-art,
military-related gear?
First, you have to appreciate the high degree of
communications activity their mission required at
each stage.
In researching their targets, the terrorists picked
ones relatively easy to hit at high air speeds, yet
ones that would produce big casualties and provide
symbolic blows to American morale. They had to
pick airports close by, with weak security. They
had to find jets with enough heft and wingspan
and fuel to cause major damage, yet not so large
that they required extra crew.
The Boeing 757s and 767s they hijacked were big,
but all had just two pilots and no flight engineers,
making it easier for terrorists to take the cockpits.
And the heisted jets were from the same family of
aircraft, obviating additional cockpit training.
They also apparently studied passenger traffic
patterns of airlines in order to pick flights with
relatively few people aboard. All four flights had
light passenger loads. The Boeing jets have roughly
160-seat capacities, yet American Flight 11 carried
81 passengers; American Flight 77, only 58; United
Flight 175, 56; and United Flight 93, a skeletal 38.
Fewer passengers, fewer heroes to worry about.
More key, the terrorists needed to select
transcontinental flights with big fuel loads to turn
the planes into giant petro-bombs. All four flights
were bound for California. They also had to know
flight patterns, and how to blind air-traffic
controllers to the hijackings by turning off the
planes' transponders, which send such warning
signals, among other aviation information.
In planning the attack, they had to fashion
weapons that they could sneak past airport
security. Transportation Department officials think
that they may have hedged their bets and even
planted security people on the inside at Logan and
Dulles airports, so that guards would look the other
way when they came through metal detectors at
the terminals.
The kamikaze pilots also had to log many hours on
computer flight simulators with high-level graphics
capability, to practice hitting their targets at full
throttle. A Continental Airlines captain, who's
flown both 757s and 767s, told WorldNetDaily he
thinks they may have even added the World Trade
Center and Pentagon to the simulator's visual
database.
"At the airspeed of those strikes, which hit their
targets dead on, the hand-eye coordination
demands would be too high for casual flying skill --
with, or without, an autopilot engaged," he said.
They had to practice, moreover, navigating the jets
to abruptly change their course, by as much as 180
degrees in some cases, after take-off. Flying them at
low altitudes was also something they had to work
on.
Synchronized terrorists
Finally, in executing their murderous missions, the
12 or so terrorists had to coordinate their activities,
flawlessly, within a roughly two-hour stretch. And,
for the most part, they did. They all got to the
airport on time, they all got through security, they
all boarded their flights, they all hijacked their
flights and, with the exception of one group, they
all hit their targets.
Pulling off such a complex plot would have
generated an inordinate volume of communications
-- whether by radio, cell phone, land line, fax or
modem -- among the terrorists, among their
Middle-Eastern sponsors and among commercial
contacts here and abroad.
But somehow eavesdroppers at the super-secret
National Security Agency -- with their billion-dollar
satellite "birds" and other surveillance technology --
were deaf, dumb and blind to the wicked plot.
"The real issue in this tragedy is how the hell were
these people able to plan and coordinate such a
strike over a period of months without the NSA
intercepting their signals?" demanded Peter M.
Leitner, a senior strategic trade adviser at the
Defense Department.
Leitner, who reviews commercial license
applications for exports of some of the most
sophisticated military-related technology, thinks he
knows the answer.
"The technology that would allow these terrorists to
mask their communications was given away, hand
over fist, by the Clinton administration," he said in
an interview with WorldNetDaily.
Leitner says the previous administration
rubber-stamped the shipment of top-end
military-related telecommunications equipment to
Syria, which is on the FBI's list of sensitive countries
that pose a t

[CTRL] Fwd: surprise history

2001-09-15 Thread Kris Millegan 





before CIA (civilian foreign intel service) there was the combine of
Sullivan and Cromwell (see Lansing, T.Davis)  and PAN-AM airways which
wasNOT founded by Whitney pawns but by none other than HENRY HARLEY
(HAP) ARNOLD.
   The history books are dead wrong on this.  ON PURPOSE.

Arnold formed pan am as a check on S&C promotion of German rightists
stealthy takeover of various South American countries , principally
Bolivia with tentacles into Argentina , paraguay and colombia. TEXACO
was the main crporate cover for ol exploitation inColombia by joint S&C/
German colonialist interests.
Hap Arnold (who was close to FDR and TRUMAN SMITH was very close to
DONALD DOUGLAS too.  My mentor and former CO Wi. Bruce Arnold married
Douglass daughter.
  Hap arnold firmly believed we were on the wrong side in Europe and
constantly rescued the fascist  stooges Henry Ford and Charles
Lindbergh.  The beginning of WW2 did not change his opinion one bit but
he recognized his duty to follow the commander in chief's policy.  He
was part of a secret group of the survivors of the 1936 coup against
Roosevelt that included a suspect admiral (finally rehabilitated by
Reagan) WEYLAND(?)  and also the senator from montana who was WILLIAM C
SULLIVAN's mentor and others .

A lot of stuff like this was confided to me by Bruce Arnold under
conditions  that were tantamount to adeathbed confession - for both of
us.

kennnthomas

[CTRL] Military arrives in NYC, set to 'take over situation'

2001-09-15 Thread RevCOAL 

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That was just reported on WCBS-TV out of NYC...


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[CTRL] USAToday: Collapse Animation

2001-09-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER 

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This is worth a look.






http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/gra/wtccollapse/frame.htm




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Re: [CTRL] Damn FEMA to hell!

2001-09-15 Thread Saba 

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June I am wondering about something I saw on TV which I let roll on by -
but in the bottom of the World Trade Center, a public transit bus
destroyed with the sign in front rolled to CALL THE POLICE..

Put out contracts and to whom were the contracts given.

But this bus - could there have been someone on this bus and was it
loaded with something other than passengers.

Just  a thought; but this man on TV was part of an investigation team
and  had the picture shown of this bus - crushed by the debris covered
with ashes and dust.

The driver evidently was trying to get out a message maybe before the
explosion?

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[CTRL] AP: $231,000,000 in Gold, Silver Buried in WTC Rubble

2001-09-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER 




Saturday September 15 6:07 PM ET 

Gold, Silver Buried in WTC Rubble

NEW YORK (AP) - Some 11.8 metric tons of gold worth an estimated $110 million 
and 30.2 million ounces of silver valued at $121 million are buried in the 
rubble below one of the collapsed buildings in the World Trade Center, The New 
York Times reported Saturday. 
The precious metal was stored in vaults below 4 World Trade Center, the paper 
said. It belongs to people or firms that trade futures contracts on the New York 
Mercantile Exchange. 
Officials at the exchange could not be reached for comment on Saturday. 
Repeated phone calls were unable to be completed because of continuing telephone 
problems in the area near the World Trade Center. 
A metric ton is equal to about 2,205 pounds. 
The Times quoted James Newsome, acting chairman of the Commodities Futures 
Trading Commission, which oversees futures markets, as saying there was not much 
concern about the gold and silver ``because the metal is secure and because 
there is ample supply.'' 
Even if for some reason the gold can't be recovered, there's plenty of supply 
in the world. One company estimated the trade center hoard to be 0.3 percent of 
the global supply. 
The precious metals are used to settle trading in futures contracts. Futures 
traders generally don't want the actual gold; instead they're buying contracts 
based on it to hedge or speculate. 

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[CTRL] FAVISH: Vince Foster relatives ask appellate court to view photos

2001-09-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER 

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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:53 AM
Subject: Vince Foster relatives ask appellate court to view photos


I received the responsive appellate briefs from the OIC/DOJ and the two
Foster relatives (Lisa, former wife, and Shiela, one of his sisters).

I will put pdf copies of them on my web site later this weekend, but after
a brief review of them, the most notable thing was that Lisa and Shiela ask
the appellate court to view the photos.  I made that request in my brief
also.  I'm glad they agree.  One main difference: I want the court to view
the photos after allowing the testimony of former OIC prosecutor Miquel
Rodriguez and his former OIC assistant. The OIC and the Foster relatives do
not want that testimony to be taken.

My final brief in response is due in four weeks.
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Regards,

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[CTRL] WP: Russia Rejects Joint Military Action With United States

2001-09-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER 

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Read the *ENTIRE* article. It clarifies what we know to date about what
Russia may or may not do.




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Russia Rejects Joint Military Action With United States

By Susan B.  Glasser
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, September 15, 2001; Page A06

MOSCOW, Sept. 14 -- Russia today rejected participation in any U.S.-led
retaliatory strike against terrorists and said the United States should not
use countries in Central Asia as a staging ground for an assault against
neighboring Afghanistan.

Although Russia has officially pledged cooperation in fighting what
President Vladimir Putin called a "common enemy," today's statements by top
Russian military officials could have the effect of restricting U.S.
options as President Bush considers whether and how to proceed against
those responsible for Tuesday's attacks in New York and Washington.
Tajikistan and several other countries in former Soviet Central Asia are
among the few obvious launching pads for an attack against the
Afghanistan-based organization of leading terrorism suspect Osama bin
Laden.

Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov told reporters during a summit in Armenia
that the United States and its allies should not rely on Central Asia to
stage any assault. "I see absolutely no basis for even hypothetical
suppositions about the possibility of NATO military operations on the
territory of Central Asian nations," Ivanov said.

At the same time, Russian military leaders made clear Russia likely will
not take part "in the retaliatory acts" planned by the United States, said
Gen. Anatoly Kvashnin, head of the Russian general staff. According to the
Interfax news agency, Kvashnin said, "The U.S. armed forces are powerful
enough to deal with this task alone."

A day earlier, Ivanov also expressed skepticism about an active role in the
U.S. response, telling reporters, "Russia is not planning any kind of
military actions or strikes."

But today's statements do not rule out far more extensive cooperation
between Russia and the United States than in the past. Both Western and
Russian sources here said that high-level bilateral talks are continuing
with the aim of "constructive" cooperation that could go well beyond
sharing intelligence information. U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard
Armitage is to arrive in Moscow next week for meetings on joint
anti-terrorist operations.

And Russia's allies in Tajikistan today did not reject the possibility that
the United States could use its airspace as part of an operation against
bin Laden. In a news conference today in the Kazakh city of Almaty, Tajik
Prime Minister Akil Akilov said only that he will "definitely" consult with
Russia before agreeing to such a step, according to Interfax.

Still, it was clear today that Russia fears U.S. strikes against bin Laden
could set off a new wave of violence in the already volatile region on its
southern border, where authoritarian-minded leaders in several former
Soviet states are already clashing with Islamic militants at least loosely
allied with the extremist Taliban leadership of Afghanistan that has given
refuge to bin Laden. Inside Russia, too, there are painful memories of the
Soviet Union's decade-long war in Afghanistan that ended in retreat in
1989, a national trauma comparable to the American experience in Vietnam.

But perhaps the greatest deterrent for Russians is the war they are already
fighting inside their own borders against Muslim rebels in Chechnya, a
bloody and inconclusive conflict that has sapped the country's military
resources and made it fear terrorism at home. In recent days, Putin and
Ivanov have both claimed that bin Laden has given aid to the Chechen
rebels.

"Chechnya alone is enough for us," said Novgorod Gov. Mikhail Prusak.
"Russia's participation [in U.S. strikes] could lead to more Islamic
radicalism inside the country."

Russia's reluctance "is because we understand from our own experience in
Chechnya that military operations do not always result in ending terrorist
attacks," said Dmitri Rogozin, chairman of the international affairs
committee in the Russian parliament.

In an interview, however, Rogozin said he believed that Putin and Bush had
already agreed to substantial cooperation between their intelligence
operations and special anti-terrorist forces.

And he said that "what happened in New York and Washington this week ended
once and for all the Cold War. Just as 60 years ago, Russia and the U.S.
have a common enemy again. Now we have the moral and ethical and political
conditions for a fundamental rapprochement between the United States and
Russia."

Indeed, since the attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon,
a wave of pro-American sentiment has appeared here that stands in stark
contrast to recent tensions between Washington and Moscow on issues
including missile defense and NATO expansion.

Putin was one of the first world leaders to offer his co

[CTRL] Damn FEMA to hell!

2001-09-15 Thread RevCOAL 

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Excuse my outburst, but I just saw something on WCBS-TV out of NYC which
has me very upset.

The out-on-the-street reporter was showing a small demonstration that has
formed of people who have come to NYC to volunteer their help, AND THEY
ARE BEING TURNED AWAY BY FEMA.  Turns out that the clean-up at the WTC is
now a contract job awarded to 4 general contractors, who will only hire
union workers; in other words, the only people 'allowed' to help with the
clean up are paid union workers.  The 4 general contractors have
announced that they have 'enough workers', and aren't taking on any
additional workers even if they already belong to the union.

In addition, many of the volunteers aren't volunteering for clean up, but
to help distribute food and other needed supplies -- THEY TOO ARE BEING
TURNED AWAY, BEING TOLD THEY AREN'T NEEDED.  One man in medical scrubs,
visibly angry, showed the reporter a long list of supplies someone needed
-- respirators, breathing masks, sweatsuits, socks, etc. -- and he stated
that the person that needed these things was not going to get them,
because FEMA had turned away volunteers who could have gotten the
supplies delivered.

Many of these volunteers have come from a long distance -- one man from
New Orleans, another from Colorado, another guy came all the way from
Hawaii bringing his welding equipment with him, and FEMA told all of them
"we don't want you'

I'm seething over this!  I think everyone in the U.S. should contact
their state's congressmen and senators, and demand that they find out why
FEMA is compromising the rescue and recovery effort by turning away these
wonderful volunteers...


June

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[CTRL] NYT: SKY RULES-- Pentagon Tracked Deadly Jet but Found No Way to Stop It

2001-09-15 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER 

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September 15, 2001

SKY RULES

Pentagon Tracked Deadly Jet but Found No Way to Stop It

By MATTHEW L. WALD

WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 - During the hour or so that American Airlines Flight
77 was under the control of hijackers, up to the moment it struck the west
side of the Pentagon, military officials in a command center on the east
side of the building were urgently talking to law enforcement and air
traffic control officials about what to do.

But despite elaborate plans that link civilian and military efforts to
control the nation's airspace in defense of the country, and despite two
other jetliners' having already hit the World Trade Center in New York,
the fighter planes that scrambled into protective orbits around Washington
did not arrive until 15 minutes after Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Even if
they had been there sooner, it is not clear what they would have done to
thwart the attack.

The Federal Aviation Administration has officially refused to discuss its
procedures or the sequence of events on Tuesday morning, saying these are
part of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's inquiry. But controllers in
New England knew about 8:20 a.m. that American Airlines Flight 11, bound
from Boston to Los Angeles, had probably been hijacked. When the first
news report was made at 8:48 a.m. that a plane might have hit the World
Trade Center, they knew it was Flight 11. And within a few minutes more,
controllers would have known that both United 175 (the second plane to hit
the World Trade Center) and American 77 (which hit the Pentagon) had
probably been hijacked.

Flight 77, which took off from Dulles International Airport outside
Washington shortly after 8 a.m., stayed aloft until 9:45 a.m. and would
have been visible on the F.A.A.'s radar system as it reversed course in
the Midwest an hour later to fly back to Washington. The radars would have
observed it even though its tracking beacon had been turned off.

By 9:25 a.m. the F.A.A., in consultation with the Pentagon, had taken the
radical step of banning all takeoffs around the country, but fighters
still had not been dispatched. At that same time, the government learned
from Barbara Olson, a political commentator who was a passenger on Flight
77, that the plane had been hijacked. She twice called her husband,
Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, on her cellular phone to tell him
what was happening.

Despite provisions for close communication between civilian and military
traffic officials, and extensive procedures for security control over air
traffic during attacks on the United States, it does not appear that
anyone had contemplated the kind of emergency that was unfolding.

The procedures, first devised in the 1950's, cover how to send fighter
planes to shadow a hijacked plane on its way, perhaps, to Cuba. They tell
how to intercept a plane entering the nation's airspace through the air
defense zone along the Atlantic Coast, but not what to do with kamikazes.

"There is no category of `enemy airliners,' " a recently retired F.A.A.
official said. He and others said they could not recall any instance in
which a military plane fired on a civilian one in the United States,
though in 1983 a F-4 Phantom fighter that scrambled to intercept an
unidentified target off Cherry Point, N.C., accidentally rammed it. That
plane was a private twin-engine propeller plane on the way home from the
Bahamas, carrying seven people.

The United States is signatory to a treaty that appears to bar using force
against civilian airplanes. Congress has voted against letting the
military shoot down suspected drug planes trying to cross into the United
States. Whether those restrictions would apply to a plane showing clearly
hostile intent has never been spelled out. An F.A.A. spokeswoman said
earlier this week that there was a policy for shooting down civilian
airliners but would not divulge it.

And shooting down a jet as large as a Boeing 757 or 767 raises other
problems. One F.A.A. official said, "If you keep it from hitting a
government building, it's going to hit something else." That was clearly
true for the planes that hit the World Trade Center, which flew over other
parts of Manhattan, and the plane that hit the Pentagon, which flew over
urbanized Northern Virginia.

John S. Carr, president of the National Air Traffic Controllers
Association, the controllers' union, said: "Our system of unfettered
access and freedom has limitations in terms of responding to a case like
this. We've created a system for transportation, not defense."

Today officials were trying to reconstruct that system. Ronald Reagan
National Airport - with approaches that are within a few hundred yards of
the Pentagon and just seconds, at jet speeds, from the heart of Washington
- remains closed, "temporarily and indefinitely." Private planes

Re: [CTRL] Amelia Amelia Amelia

2001-09-15 Thread Kris Millegan 

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In a message dated 9/15/01 4:27:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Hey, Bill!
>Nice Friends you have!
>But not to worry, as it is all my fault, yet once again per
>Listowner.

 No, one said anything about fault, I just asked to please not bitch and
banter.

Om
K

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[CTRL] Double-Headed Eagle

2001-09-15 Thread Saba 







http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Misc_Studies/ms074.htm

[CTRL] Fwd: ISCIP - Perspective

2001-09-15 Thread Saba 

So what is Zionist Masonry?   Bnai Brith?

So many different tribes in Masonry and each carry a different
flag..to be anti Mason is to be anti Zionist or anti Jew?

Interesting item RE masonry in Russia and by the way there are those who
believe that Putin is the rider on the White Horse.

All this symbolism - see one thing, think another - allegory after
allegory - to see flying serpents and the Phoenix in form of kamikaze
planes but note - it is Russia who now tells Americans to fear the
blowing up of more towers, only these are nuclear towers?

The War on Fear would be better fought than War on Rock Piles - so it is
said it takes the simple things to confound the wise - example:   45 or
more billion dollars for security and a load of fertilizer and 4
airplanes taken like Ryder trucks destroys the symbolism of Capitalism
whose greatist foe of course, is communism?

And this seems confusing to me when we have had those oppose all forms
of defense for Americans - take away their guns and now, take away our
jet planes and take away our dinner ware?

Well stupid is as stupid does - for want of a nail, a Kingdom was lost -
another horseman.

Behold the Dead Horse?   No he rides upon the White Horse and the
Russians believe it is Putin.

Saba

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Fascism Gets Boost from Communists
By YEVGENI PROSHECHKIN (1)

Chairman, Moscow Antifascism Center
The resolute refusal by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation
(CPRF) faction of the Russian State Duma to condemn, even mildly, the
anti-Semitic comments of its member, Albert Makashov, surprised many
analysts and political scientists in Russia, and even more so in the
West: The legend they had created about the nature and place of the CPRF
and its leader, Gennadi Zyuganov, in the political system of modern-day
Russia has begun to show cracks. These fissures are most visible in such
sensitive areas as fascism, Nazism and anti-Semitism.

The essence of their reasoning goes like this: There is a very bad
Yel'tsin regime. The opposition, headed by Gennadi Zyuganov and the
CPRF, calls itself "Communist." The label, most likely, is simply a
tribute to tradition. When he visits the West, Zyuganov promises to
retain all forms of private property if he comes to power. That means
Zyuganov is not really a Communist anymore! Who is he? Why, a Social
Democrat of course! What else can a former Communist be at the end of
the 20th century? He plays by the rules of a civilized society; he is
within the system. Consequently it should be possible to cooperate with
him and his party, for instance in the context of the struggle with such
alarming issues as the increase in the number of fascist organizations,
as well as the growth of xenophobia, racism, and inter-ethnic strife.

The Social Democrats have always been the enemies of the Nazis,
therefore, Zyuganov's party, having evolved from communism to social
democracy, can thwart the danger of fascism in Russia.
That is the wild, and unrealistic notion which, sadly, still has many
adherents.

This should not be surprising, for as one of the classic authors of
National-Socialist propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, once said: "The bigger
the lie, the more it is believed." Still these reflections contain one
grain of truth: The CPRF is not really a communist party, and Zyuganov
is not really a Communist. That much is true.
In his book Beyond the Horizon (Za Gorizontom), Zyuganov praises Stalin
for his "radical revision of the state ideology of the Soviet Union in
the years 1944 to 1953."(2) Stalin was recreating the
nationalist-patriotic ideology, according to Zyuganov, and "lacked five
or seven years of his life to make his 'ideological perestroika'
irreversible."

Zyuganov prefers the Stalin of the period when international affairs
became secondary, the struggles against the "doctors-poisoners" and the
"rootless cosmopolitans" took center stage and anti-Semitism became
official policy.

Adopting a very cynical tone, Zyuganov has belittled accounts of Soviet
terror and repression. "Some say that Communists, at some point, killed
someone or another, or something," he told a television audience.(3)

Stalin's "successors didn't even wait for the body to cool in the
mausoleum to reverse his ideological course. The 'civilized' West
applauded this maneuver but kept quiet about how much of the work that
went into it was performed by its politicians, diplomats, special
services, and agents of influence,"(4) according to Zyuganov.

This suggests that Khrushchev's secret speech at the 20th CPSU Congress,
"Concerning the cult of personality of Stalin," was instigated by the
CIA.

The following represents Zyuganov's view of the contemporary
international

Re: [CTRL] Amelia Amelia Amelia

2001-09-15 Thread Amelia 

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Hey, Bill!
Nice Friends you have!
But not to worry, as it is all my fault, yet once again per
Listowner.

Oh, well!  Maybe I will develop some manners and behave like a
liberal some day.
Amelia
P. S.  Will leave it with you for a bit, taking my intel
connections which go back to Vietnam Operation Phoenix with me.
Anything earth-shattering will send separately to you only.  Have
some ONI maybe later this weekend.  Navy.
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Amelia Amelia Amelia


-Caveat Lector-

  There is nothing in the CTRL guidelines that prohibits putting a
member's
name in the subject line.  Kris asks us to be civil but it is not
uncivil to
put a member's name there.  Maybe if YOU were more civil people
would honor
your requests.

Samantha

In a message dated 9/15/01 1:35:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
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> Second request:  Leave my name OUT OF THE SUBJECT line!
>
>  So Goggle search is highly inaccurate on you but you are the one
>  who suggested it is the definitive word on other subjects and
>  people.  I understand.
>
>  Apparently you do not get it.  I DON'T CARE IF THE MAN IS
RACIST,
>  as long as he is not breaking the law, he has free speech.
Period.
>  And I assure you Mo Dees is keeping tabs to make sure that does
not
>  happen.  They have a long-running feud I have since learned.
Dees
>  is NOT very popular locally for he is a pervert.  Anyone who
points
>  this out, well, we see what happens to them.
>
>  But you know what?  I have a great deal more respect for a
person
>  who is honest and up front about their beliefs no matter what
they
>  are  than somebody like you, lurking on lists to 'see what the
>  loons are doing.'  And the others on who you seem to have a need
to
>  keep tabs.  Gestapo tactics.  Making a list, checking it twice??
>  God, I hate a sneak and a snitch.  Like the good neighbors calli
ng
>  cops who burned the man to death in California.  And the ones
who
>  were mad at their neighbors but the neighbors got $10.2 million
>  judgment against ADL.
>
>  I have very little interest in the subject and do not plan to
read
>  a damn thing you suggest.  You did NOT provide one shred of
proof
>  that the ORGANIZATION in question was racist.  "If a  cat has
>  kittens in the oven, that don't make 'em biscuits."  If a Zen
>  Buddhist joins my garden club, that does not make us Buddhist
>  Gardeners for it is the intent of the organization as a whole
and
>  not individual members.
>
>  You pompous ass, do you think you are the only one who had any
of
>  these subjects in college?  Or are you some sort of
self-appointed
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websites.
>  Stick your comic book up your ass.  I was probably reading that
>  shit when you were in diapers!
>  Amelia
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Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?

2001-09-15 Thread foxter 



I define war as two 
people/countries/entities who want power over each other doing things to get 
that power.  Doesn't matter who creates it.  We are embroiled in it, 
it is WAR.  If I was at war with someone, I would creat MANY conflicts - 
hoping to win them all.
 
Whether as I think 
you suggest there are people/entitles more powerful than the Bin Laden org. that 
are orchestrating this - well, ok but it is still at the World Trade Center Twin 
Tower level WAR.
 
In a message dated 9/15/01 8:15:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:>To 
this lady and others that don't get it, this is WAR !   Wake up 
and>smell the chemicals in the 
air.   W A R ! 
! ! ! This ain't war this is a created conflict, with nefarious 
designs.Omk<

[CTRL] CNN Has Two Black Eyes

2001-09-15 Thread Bill Richer 

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CNN Has Two Black Eyes
by REED IRVINE, Chairman, Accuracy in Media

   CNN is determined to alienate a lot of people who were prepared to
praise it for being the first major television news organization to allow its
viewers to hear the truth about what happened to TWA Flight 800 and the
outrageous steps the government has taken to cover it up.

   On the fifth anniversary of the crash that killed 230 people, CNN
scheduled an airing of the controversy over the cause of the crash on "The
Point," a nightly show hosted by Greta Van Susteren. They had seen a video
produced by Jack Cashill titled "Silenced, Flight 800 and the Obstruction of
Justice." This is an effective presentation of the evidence that the plane
was shot down by missiles and a refutation of the government claim that it
was destroyed by an explosion in its empty center-wing-fuel tank. CNN invited
Cashill to appear on the program.

   This was hailed by the many critics of the government’s explanation of
the cause of the crash as a significant breakthrough. They thought that their
views were finally going to get a fair hearing on national television. Word
about the program went out on the Internet, and a lot of people who usually
watch Bill O’Reilly and Hannity & Colmes on the Fox News Channel were
planning to see how CNN would handle the TWA 800 controversy.

They were disappointed and angered to find that Greta’s guest was not
Jack Cashill, but James Hall, the former chairman of the National
Transportation Safety Board, who had taken the lead in pushing the theory
that the crash had been caused by a fuel-tank explosion. Hall had bowed to
the pressure from the FBI not to have a single eyewitness testify at the
public hearing the board held to discuss the evidence.

A few hours before the program was to be taped, Cashill was bumped
because Hall had refused to appear with him. Cashill says he had been told
they were going to invite Hall, and he doubted that Hall would agree to
appear with him. He was right about that, but since Cashill had been invited
first and since he had something that would be new to most CNN viewers, he
was disappointed. When he asked why they didn’t withdraw the invitation to
Hall, he was told that it would not be responsible journalism to have Cashill
appear alone, but having Hall appear alone was apparently considered
responsible.

Those who had been prepared to praise them for airing the truth about
the cause of the TWA 800 crash did not see it that way, and many of them made
that known. Calls I made to CNN’s Atlanta headquarters left me with the
impression that Philip Kent, the president of the CNN News Group, and others
there recognized that this had made a lot of people angry, and they were
concerned about it. I was told that they were planning to put on another
program and Jack Cashill would be invited to be on it.

That was confirmed by Bruce Perlmutter, the executive producer of the
Van Susteren show. Cashill received an invitation to appear on Thursday,
August 2, and once again expectations that the truth about the cause of the
TWA 800 crash would get an airing were high.

But once again those hopes were dashed. On the morning of August 2,
Cashill was once again informed that his appearance was cancelled. This time
they had lined up Jim McKenna, a former reporter for Aviation Week, to defend
the government’s theory, but he too was disinvited. TWA 800 was bumped in
favor of another story about the Chandra Levy-Gary Condit case. It was not
because there was any new development. There wasn’t. They had decided to
inform their viewers how the story was playing in Europe and Japan and to
rehash a discredited tip about Chandra Levy being buried at a construction
site in Virginia.

   Executive Producer Bruce Perlmutter was not at all apologetic about
this. He explained the cancellation, saying, "We just didn’t want to rush
into something like we were rushing into it. Right now we are not doing it."
Rushing into to it? They have had at least three weeks to check and double
check the facts about a controversy that has been crying out for attention
for over four years. What CNN is lacking is the courage to tell its viewers
that the government is still lying to them about the cause of this tragedy.
Now they have two black eyes.



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[CTRL] The Taliban

2001-09-15 Thread Bill Richer 

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Saturday September 15 12:41 AM ET
Taliban Leader Urges Muslims to Prepare for Jihad
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The supreme leader of Afghanistan (news - web sites)'s
ruling Taliban has urged Muslims there and around to world to face the threat
of U.S. attack firmly and prepare for jihad (holy war) to defend their faith.

Mullah Mohammad Omar told the Taliban Voice of Shariat Radio on Friday in an
address monitored by the British Broadcasting Corporation but plagued by poor
reception that Afghanistan was an obvious target as a true Muslim state.

The United States, he added, saw this as a danger sign and he cautioned
against handing over Saudi-born dissident Osama bin Laden (news - web sites),
the key suspect in Tuesday's terror attack on New York and Washington.

``You should know that this is not only the issue of Osama, it is opposition
to Islam,'' Mullah Omar said, according to a BBC transcript.

``Here (in Afghanistan) there are real Muslims and there is real Islam, and
the real voice of religion is raised. They regard this as a danger signal and
pay attention to this danger signal,'' he added, referring to the United
States.

Mullah Omar recalled that the British and Russian empires had failed to
impose their will on the Afghan people in the 19th and 20th centuries and
urged Afghans to stand firm against any U.S. attack.

``Be ready for jihad,'' Mullah Omar said.

``Each Muslim should be ready for a jihad against this and be ready for his
religion if there is a need for him to sacrifice himself for Islam and his
belief, and make a sacrifice for the symbol of belief in Islam,'' he said.

President Bush (news - web sites), calling this week's terror attacks in
Washington and New York ``acts of war,'' is seeking an alliance against those
who attacked the United States this week.

Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said Washington would now
judge countries by their willingness to help.

Omar, for his part, called on the world's Muslims to support Islam and defend
Afghanistan.

``All the Muslims in the world should support their Islam and their own
belief, should defend Afghanistan, should defend Muslims and should be ready
for anything to make a sacrifice for Islam,'' Mullah Omar declared.

``If they don't do this, then they don't do it. It depends on everybody and
it is everybody's own business. But they should defend their history and
their Islam and their belief.''

Omar said that bin Laden could not have been the mastermind behind the
attacks on New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon (news - web sites)
in Washington, in which suicide squads flew hijacked airliners into the
buildings, killing several thousand people.

``Those who sacrifice their lives have a particular purpose and goal. They
are not afraid of America or of anybody else. Those who sacrifice their lives
don't need Osama to be glad or not glad, or Osama to order them or not,'' he
added.

Omar's broadcast was partially monitored by Reuters in Islamabad on Friday
despite poor reception.

In it he said that Muslims should not fear death and each should be ready to
die for their faith.

``Whether America will launch cruise missiles or drop bombs or create
aggression or whatever it does is ahead of us. We cannot save our skins by
cowardice or in any other way,'' the BBC transcript said.

``If they do this or have the will (to do this) or if God has this will, then
it will happen. We cannot save our skins from this.''

True believers, he added, had a duty to defend their faith and the symbols of
it.

``Each Muslim should think deeply and defend Islam and the Koran. Almighty
God is kind and will give victory to these people. If you die for your belief
it is a great victory, or if nothing happens it is also a great victory,'' he
added.

``The greatness of the flag of Islam is that, if everything is finished, the
flag and the symbol of belief in Islam will remain high. If you destroy the
flag, it means you agree with things which are what they (enemies) want. By
this you destroy the zeal and name of Islam and cover it with dirt.''

Saturday September 15 3:04 AM ET
Taliban Say May Attack Neighbors Helping U.S.


ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Afghanistan (news - web sites)'s ruling Taliban said on
Saturday they might attack any neighbor which gave assistance to U.S. strikes
on their country, the Afghan Islamic Press reported.

``If a neighboring country allows its soil or its air to be used in an attack
against Afghanistan...in that case the possibility cannot be ruled out that
we attack that country,'' the Foreign Ministry said in a statement issued in
Kabul.

``We'll be forced to send our mujahideen into their territory ... they will
be responsible for the consequences,'' the Pakistan-based news agency said.

The Taliban is considered a pariah movement by the United States because it
shelters Saudi-born dissident Osama bin Laden (news - web

[CTRL] Pakistan says yes to airspace, no to US troops

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Pakistan says yes to airspace, no to US troops
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Sept. 14 (UPI) -- Pakistan Friday granted four requests
for cooperation from the United States in its war against terrorism, but
refused permission for American troops to launch ground operations from its
territory, according to a Pakistani official involved in the negotiations.

"We're afraid of a backlash in our country," the official told United Press
International on condition of anonymity.

U.S. ambassador to Pakistan Wendy Chamberlin, a former top CIA analyst on the
region, met the country's military ruler General Pervaiz Musharraf on Friday
for the second time in 24 hours.

The United States asked Pakistan for assistance in launching a global war
against terrorism and in responding to Tuesday's terror attacks in New York
and Washington.

According to diplomatic sources Thursday, U.S. officials asked Pakistan to
allow overflights by American military jets in its airspace; to share vital
intelligence; and to cut off fuel supplies to the Taliban regime in
neighboring Afghanistan and close its thousands of miles of mountainous
border with the country. The Pakistani official told UPI that his government
had agreed to all these demands.

But Friday's report is the first indication that the United States had also
requested use of Pakistani territory for staging a ground operation against
Afghanistan.

The Pakistani official added that his government feared the presence of U.S.
or international troops in the country would provoke a reaction from Islamic
conservatives in Pakistan. The presence of troops on the ground would be too
obvious, he said.

"We want to support the war (against terrorism) but we don't want it to be
manifest," he said.

Osama bin Laden -- described by administration officials as a prime suspect
in the hunt for the mastermind behind the attacks which are feared to have
killed over 5,000 people -- is believed to be in Afghanistan, a guest of the
Taliban regime there. Pakistan is one of only three countries that recognizes
the Taliban.

The U.S. State Department says Pakistan funds the Taliban and Islamabad is
thought to hold considerable influence in the country.




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The Dye Is Cast – But It Will Be a
 Long Haul
15 September:: The United States if going to war to
avenge itself for the catastrophic hijack-suicide
attacks against the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon.
The first stage of the conflict, according to initial,
conservative estimates, could last two to three years.
Its success will determine the scope and timeframe of
the second phase.
DEBKAfile’s military experts can disclose that the
U.S.  82nd and 101st airborne divisions, or nearly
half of the airborne combat forces at the immediate
disposal of U.S. President George W. Bush, are
currently being airlifted to bases in Pakistan.
The bulk of these forces will be moved to the northern
Punjab region of Pakistan and take up position near
the city of Dera Ismail and in the valleys at the foot
of the Suleiman mountain range, across from their main
target – the Afghan city of Kandahar.
The United States also intends to lay siege to, or
capture, the Afghan cities of Medan, Galdek and Maroof
as well as the Arghastan Valley, where, according to
intelligence provided by Russia, India and Israel,
Osama bin Laden’s forces have been concentrated in
recent months.
The U.S. operations will include air bombardments and
missile strikes against Afghanistan’s principal
cities: Kabul, Jalalabad and Kandahar.
Afghanistan is not the only target. Washington is
planning a three-stage offensive against Iraq with the
participation of U.S., British and Turkish forces.
DEBKAfile’s military sources reported back on Friday,
September 9, that the Turkish army is on a state of
war alert.
Now, our sources add that the Turkish army is poised
along its border with Kurdish northern Iraq. It
intends to invade the Shouman region and capture the
cities of Biyar and Tiwal in the Urman district. The
two cities are controlled by Jund al-Islam, a radical
Muslim group funded by bin Laden.
The United States now understands that the 200 Taleban
fighters who arrived there in mid-July, puzzling many
observers, were members of Bin Laden’s general staff,
pulled out of Afghanistan two months earlier as part
of his preparations for Tuesday’s terror attacks in
New York and Washington. Now they will be quarries of
a US-Turkish hunt in one prong of the thrust into
Iraq.
A simultaneous attack second attack will be
spearheaded in the Basra area by some 30,000 British
soldiers, currently being airlifted into bases in
Oman.
DEBKAfile’s military sources report that two-thirds of
that force was present in Oman Saturday. U.S. and
British planes already based in Kuwait, and in Saudi
Arabia will provide air cover for the British forces
operating Basra - if the Saudi government agrees to
its air bases being used in the U.S. operation.
Prong three of the Iraqi wing of the multiple
offensive will target the central region, including
Baghdad. Airlifted infantry and armor, as well as
missiles and tanks, will be used in an effort to
destroy the Iraqi infrastructure and topple Saddam
Hussein’s regime. No final decision has been made on a
timetable for the three assault waves into Iraq.
These operations, lasting between two and three weeks,
are only the first steps in the coming conflict, which
Bush has described as “the first war of the 21st
century”.
Bin Laden had not been blind to the likelihood of U.S.
retaliation. According to U.S. intelligence estimates,
he and his cohorts have been preparing for months for
the assaults and have readied their response.
Intelligence specialists believe Bin Laden and his
associates, including the Egyptian Islamic Jihad – the
terror master’s main operational arm – will carry out
a series of attacks on U.S. army bases, especially air
and naval facilities, in the United States, Europe and
the Middle East.
For the first time, the Americans have acknowledged
the presence of an enemy within.
Members of bin Laden’s group have been trained by the
U.S. army and some still serve in various U.S.
military units, raising the prospect that attacks
could be launched from within the bases themselves.
(See also separate item on this page.).
Bin Laden’s men will make a supreme effort to attack
aircraft carriers, along with such strategic targets
in the United States, such as CIA headquarters in
Langley, Virginia or FBI headquarters in Washington.
Before the Tuesday’s calamities, this scenario would
have sounded fantastic. Other targets may include
atomic energy stations, where the highest state of
alert is already in effect. U.S. military units rushed
to the stations have set up

[CTRL] District, Nation Move to High Alert

2001-09-15 Thread Bill Richer 

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District, Nation Move to High Alert

By Neely Tucker and Vernon Loeb
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, September 15, 2001; Page A01


The United States moved the defense of the homeland yesterday to a level not
seen since the raid on Pearl Harbor, reflecting the deep civil and military
concern that the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were but
the opening salvos in a war unlike any the nation has ever faced.

Coast Guard cutters patrolled ports and waterways at unprecedented levels
from New York harbor to San Diego. F-15 Eagles and F-16 Fighting Falcons
continued to fly combat patrols over Washington, New York and other major
cities, supported by AWACS airborne surveillance and tanker aircraft,
according to a spokesman for the North American Aerospace Defense Command in
Colorado.

President Bush signed an order authorizing Pentagon officials to call up
35,000 reserves, most of whom will be used to keep military jets on alert at
bases across the country, check ships in ports, assist in
intelligence-gathering activities and perform other missions that defense
officials said either had not yet been determined -- or could not be
disclosed.

"They are not convinced it is over," Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), a ranking
member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said after
briefings from the CIA and the FBI.

In Washington, helicopters have intermittently circled the White House and
the U.S. Capitol, sometimes seen and sometimes lost in cloud cover, the
thump-thump of their blades beating the air. Reagan National Airport is
closed. The country's most hallowed symbols along the Mall and the Tidal
Basin -- the Washington Monument and the Lincoln, Jefferson and FDR memorials
-- are shut down.

The city's key waterways, the Potomac and Anacostia rivers, have been closed
to all traffic by order of the Coast Guard. Boats are barred on the Potomac
from the Woodrow Wilson Bridge to the Key Bridge, about seven nautical miles.
The Anacostia River is closed from the Route 50 bridge downriver to where it
meets the Potomac.

>From New York to San Diego, city ports are closed to all but essential cargo
vessels, which maritime officials board and guide into the harbor. Baggage is
being inspected before it is loaded onto ships. In Pascagoula, Miss., Coast
Guard vessels guard two Navy ships -- the USS Gates and the USS Cole -- under
repair in local shipyards.

The defensive measures were by no means limited to federal and military
agencies. Maryland Gov. Parris N. Glendening (D) said yesterday that an
eight-member, Cabinet-level team will immediately scrutinize the state's
civil defense measures.

"This new level of terrorism demands that we review all state emergency plans
and ensure they are updated, coordinated and effective," Glendening said in a
statement.

In Washington, the White House security perimeter, which had been expanded on
Thursday far beyond the gates of the presidential mansion, was contracted
last night to its pre-Tuesday dimensions. Also last night, District officials
withdrew National Guard troops from postings at downtown intersections.

However, security threats, whether real or perceived, continue to come hard
and fast.

A man armed with a pistol in Washington yesterday tried to drive his black
Audi onto the lawn of the Embassy of Saudi Arabia about 8 a.m. He was
detained by security personnel at the diplomatic compound and then by the
Secret Service. Agency spokesman Marc Connolly said officers responded in
less than 60 seconds. A bomb squad examined the car and determined that it
did not pose a threat, but streets around the Northwest Washington embassy
have been closed while the incident is investigated.

The man is in custody and was not publicly identified yesterday.

"The people that were here were told to stay inside, and no one else was
allowed into the building," said Ahmed Hassan, an adviser at the embassy.
"We're not surprised, given what happened."

Besides the evacuation of the White House complex and the Capitol on
Thursday, authorities said yesterday that the Ronald Reagan International
Trade Center was emptied twice and that the D.C. government's headquarters at
One Judiciary Square was half-abandoned by employees after the rumor of a
bomb threat.

During much of the day yesterday, at 17th and I streets, the northern
perimeter of the security zone around the White House, military police in
green camouflage stood sentry on corners, and yellow police tape blocked
access. D.C. police officers asked those who work inside the perimeter to
show their identification before they could enter on foot.

Workers from the federal and private sector stood soberly in line in a cold,
driving rain, ID cards in hand, and contemplated how life had changed.

"It's absolutely intimidating," said Therese S. Leung, a Dupont Circle
resident who works at the New Executive Offi

[CTRL] US prepares its demands/J. post (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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Analysis By Janine Zacharia

WASHINGTON (September 14) - The US is preparing to launch a long-term,
multi-pronged campaign to search and destroy Osama bin Laden's terrorist
network and put an end to state sponsorship of his activities. The first
strikes are seemingly set for Afghanistan.

Yesterday, US officials were in constant touch with officials in Pakistan.
The US believes Islamabad is crucial for mounting any type of offensive
against the Taliban regime that shelters bin Laden, the primary suspect in
Tuesday's terrorist strikes on the US.

The US is readying a full list of requests - or really demands - of the
Pakistanis. They start with an order to sever ties with the Taliban and
include use of their air space and land for the passage and stationing of
troops if necessary. Until now, officials said, the Pakistanis have largely
paid the US lip service when it came to aiding in efforts to root out bin
Laden's network.

Next week, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage will meet with Russian
officials on Afghanistan, where the Russians have experience from when the
Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in the early 1980s.

While President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell have
described the strikes as an act of war against America, officials have held
off on giving any details of the scope of what the response will be.
Speculation on how the campaign will begin has ranged from a full-scale
invasion of Afghanistan to sending in special units to try to root out
terrorist cells.

The offensive is sure to be multi-faceted and lengthy and will require the
cooperation of Arab and Moslem states that are hotbeds of Islamic
fundamentalism, like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Pakistan, analysts and
officials said.

"I think one thing is clear, that you don't do it with just a single
military strike, no matter how dramatic. You don't do it with just military
forces alone; you do it with the full resources of the US government. It
will be a campaign," said Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.

The goal, he said, goes far beyond capturing those responsible and holding
them accountable. The US wants to remove terrorist havens, remove their
support systems, and end state sponsorship of terrorism, goals that could
take years to accomplish.

Statements like these fed speculation that the US is looking beyond an
initial strike of some sort at Afghanistan and could go after other state
sponsors of terror, most significantly Iraq, which is believed by many
experts to have played a major role in Tuesday's attacks.

Powell, who spoke with an array of world leaders yesterday, echoed
Wolfowitz's emphasis on the multi-pronged approach and said that the US will
try to minimize collateral damage in its military response.

The emphasis on a long-term offensive seemed meant to contrast the Clinton
administration's missile strikes on Sudan and Afghanistan, which were never
followed up.

The US will need intelligence help, primarily from Arab and Muslim states,
where terrorists reside and receive funding.

Former assistant secretary of state Ned Walker said the US "must take
leadership of this effort and let our friends know that we expect no less
than 100 percent cooperation.

"Now is the time to find out who our friends are and to raise the cost to
those who refuse, for whatever reason, to help us. We have to have the
courage to put our relationships in the balance. It is time to stop giving
countries a free pass when they refuse to cooperate."

"On the demand for immediate and full counter-intelligence to cooperate.
there will be no gray areas allowed," said Robert Satloff, executive
director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. "On the issue of
participation in a response, that's to be handled a little further down the
road."

Bruce Hoffman, of the Rand Corporation, cautioned that the internal
situations of Arab allies cannot be wholly disregarded.

"Considering terrorism is a transnational problem, it would be importune to
ignore the diplomatic aspects of the problem," he said.


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[CTRL] U.S Missile Cruiser Left Japan Home Port-Kyodo

2001-09-15 Thread Bill Richer 

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Saturday September 15 9:15 AM ET

U.S Missile Cruiser Left Japan Home Port-Kyodo
TOKYO (Reuters) - A U.S. guided missile cruiser left Japan on Saturday, the
first to leave its base in Yokosuka southwest of Tokyo since the terror
attacks on New York and Washington this week, Kyodo news agency reported.

Japan is home to about 48,000 U.S. military personnel -- nearly half the U.S.
presence in Asia -- and the U.S. facilities including those on its southern
island of Okinawa are the forward bases for the U.S. military in the region.

Kyodo said that Navy officials had confirmed the departure of Cowpens, a
Ticonderoga-class cruiser, which it said was equipped with an Aegis air
defense system allowing simultaneous attacks on multiple targets. But it
added that the officials had declined to disclose its objective or
destination.

A duty officer at Yokosuka naval base said he could not comment on ship
movements.

The administration of President Bush planned meetings on Saturday to plot a
war against terror after the nation paused to grieve the victims of attacks
against symbols of its financial and military power.

U.S. officials have said the key suspect remains Saudi-born militant Osama
bin Laden, who is holed up in Afghanistan under the protection of the radical
Islamic Taliban government.

Military experts, however, have said it would be difficult to make firm
deductions about the imminence of an attack merely from movements of U.S.
vessels based in Japan.




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[CTRL] US weighs new forms of surveillance (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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"House Democratic leader Richard Gephardt said Americans 'need to find a
new balance between freedom and security, and that's going to be hard to
do.'

"In dealing with this, we will not give up our freedom," Gephardt said."



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This is the excuse many have been waiting for.  - Tony]



US weighs new forms of surveillance
WILLIAM O BEEMAN, Providence, Rhode Island | Thursday

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NEW forms of electronic surveillance, often derided by privacy activists,
are being re-evaluated as a means to improve security in the wake of
Tuesday's unprecedented terrorism attacks.

Proponents of a new branch of technology known as biometrics -- including
face-scanning technology, iris recognition and hand geometry -- say these
systems may help identify criminals and terrorists and foil such attacks.

The use of cameras linked to face-recognition systems at the Super Bowl
earlier this year prompted an avalanche of protests, but backers of the
system say the deadly attacks demonstrate the need for such technology.

"This could have had a profound difference. It's clear that some of these
(terrorist) suspects were in the FBI database," said Tom Colatosti,
president of Massachusetts-based Visage Technology, which supplied
face-scanning systems for the Super Bowl.

"What has us frustrated is that we allowed ourselves to be intimidated by
some of this privacy silliness. I carry guilt for not being able to make
that point better."

By scanning faces in a crowd and matching the images to those in a database
of known criminals and terrorists, face-recognition technology can be used
in airports and other public places to quickly alert law enforcement about
suspicious activity.

Colatosti says the system of his company has proven accurate 99,78% of the
time.

Joseph Atick, chief executive of New Jersey-based biometrics firm
Visionics, said face-scanning technology has been effectively used at
Reykjavik airport in Iceland and has dramatically cut crime in the London
district of Newham, where some 300 cameras are in use.

While face-scanning is a "passive" system that can be easily used in
crowds, other biometric systems can be used for verification of employees
who have access to sensitive areas.

Atick said that in addition to face-scanning, airports should use biometric
systems such as hand geometry, live fingerprint scans and iris recognition
to ensure that unauthorised people do not gain access to airplanes. This
would eliminate the problem of lost or stolen badges or access keys.

"Your face is your badge" with a face-scanning system, Atick said.

He said that "within half an hour" of the news of the terrorist attacks,
"we received a significant number of calls from organisations tasked with
security as well as decision-making bodies" interested in biometric systems.

Richard Norton, executive director or the International Biometric Industry
Association, said it would be "irresponsible to speculate on what could or
could not have been done," to prevent the attacks.

But he said biometrics technologies "have been tested in a number of
environments and certainly could be a piece of the equation for diminishing
the threat."

He said about 50 US firms are involved in biometrics and have developed
systems that "are robust, and proven to work" and can be designed to avoid
invading people's privacy.

Still, civil libertarians warn against a rush to any solution that erodes
freedoms before all the facts are known.

David Sobel, a lawyer for the Electronic Privacy Information Center, said
it is "premature to reach conclusions on these issues.

We really don't know what fully happened on Tuesday and it's dangerous to
start prescribing solutions before we understand what the failures were."

Sobel said that there is "a tendency in these situations to propose quick
solutions that are not always well considered. There are a lot of analogies
to Pearl Harbor, and with 60 years of retrospect we can see that the
treatment of Japanese Americans was rash and unjust and now widely
regretted."

House Democratic leader Richard Gephardt said Americans "need to find a new
balance between freedom and security, and that's going to be hard to do."

"In dealing with this, we will not give up our freedom," Gephardt said.

"We're going to have to change the balance between freedom and security,
but we will not give up our freedom, we will not be defeated as to the
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[CTRL] Hijacker had met with bin Laden agent connected to bombing of destroyer

2001-09-15 Thread Bill Richer 

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Hijacker had met with bin Laden agent connected to bombing of destroyer
The USS Cole was attacked last October in Yemen


By Mark Hosenball, Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman
NEWSWEEK

Sept. 24 issue —  A little more than two weeks before the attacks on the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the FBI began an investigation into two
of the suspected hijackers after receiving information from the CIA that the
men were associated with the terrorist organization of Osama bin Laden,
NEWSWEEK has learned.

 THE FBI PROBE was launched in late August after officials were advised
that Khalid Al-Midhar—identified this week as one of the hijackers aboard the
American Airlines flight that crashed into the Pentagon—had been captured on
a surveillance videotape in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, meeting with one of the
suspects in the Oct. 12, 2000, terrorist bombing of the USS Cole in the
Yemeni port of Aden, according to law-enforcement and intelligence officials.
The bombing, which killed 17 U.S. sailors, was quickly linked by U.S.
officials to bin Laden’s organization.



The disclosure that the FBI was actively looking for Al-Midhar and
one of his associates, Salem Alhamzi—who has also been identified as one of
the suspects aboard the American Airlines flight that took off from
Washington’s Dulles Airport and slammed into the Pentagon-represents the
first hard evidence that U.S. officials were aware of possible terrorist ties
of at least some of the hijackers prior to Tuesday’s attacks. (For
NEWSWEEK’s complete coverage of the investigation into the terror bombings,
see the magazine’s Sept. 24 issue on newsstands Monday).
The intelligence linking Al-Midhar to a Cole bombing suspect is also
the latest evidence suggesting that Tuesday’s attacks may have been the work
of the renegade Saudi exile bin Laden. NEWSWEEK reported last March that
internal FBI documents identified one of bin Laden’s most senior “security
officials” as a key conspirator in the Cole attack. President Bush today
called bin Laden a “prime suspect” in the World Trade Center and Pentagon
attacks and added: “If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States
and our allies, he will be sorely mistaken.”

   The FBI probe was being primarily conducted out of the New York
and Los Angeles field offices of the bureau and was ongoing right up to
Tuesday morning, a law-enforcement official said today. But the bureau’s
attempts to locate either suspect was unsuccessful, primarily because the
only information the two men gave to immigration authorities about their
intended destinations turned out to be “completely bogus,” the official
said.
According to accounts given to NEWSWEEK by U.S. intelligence and
law-enforcement officials, the CIA first notified the Immigration and
Naturalization Service on Aug. 21 that Al-Midhar should be placed on a
terrorist “watch list” because of suspected associations with bin Laden. The
prime evidence, one official said, was the secret videotape showing Al-Midhar
at the meeting in Malaysia with one of the architects of the Cole bombing.
The man has since been jailed in Yemen.

   The INS checked its databases and discovered that Al-Midhar had
already entered the United States. After the CIA was informed of this, it
passed the names of Al-Midhar and his associate, Alhamzi, with whom he had
entered the country, along to the FBI. The FBI then began looking for the two
men. When the two entered the United States on business visas earlier this
year, they listed as their only addresses the “Marriott hotel” in New York.
Marriott operates ten hotels in New York City, and the bureau began
methodically checking guest records for each of them. But no record was
found. At the same time, the bureau began checking the records of a second
hotel chain in the Los Angeles area after discovering that both Al-Midhar and
Alhamzi had entered the country last year as well and listed that chain as
their address. Again, no records were found.

   Law-enforcement officials stressed that the bureau was still actively
looking for the two men on Sept. 11 as news of the bombings broke. “We had
only two weeks and one small piece of information that was clearly bogus
about where they were supposed to be,” said an official.




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[CTRL] Attack 'could come this weekend'

2001-09-15 Thread Bill Richer 

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Attack 'could come this weekend'
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 15/09/2001)


AMERICA geared up for war yesterday with Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence
Secretary, warning the country's servicemen that they would be called on to
vanquish "powerful and terrible enemies" in the months ahead.

The rallying call came as defence officials said an attack on Afghanistan,
which has given safe haven to Osama bin Laden, could come as early as this
weekend.

As President Bush authorised the call-up of 50,000 reservists, the Senate
gave him unanimous backing to use "all necessary and appropriate force
against those nations, organisations or persons" who carried out the attacks.

Mr Rumsfeld told US servicemen around the world in a videotaped address that
much had already been asked of them, but "more, much more will be asked of
you in the weeks and months ahead".

"The task of vanquishing these terrible enemies and in protecting the
American people and the cause of human freedom will fall to you. I know you
are ready. I know America can continue to count on your selflessness and
courage," he said. The Pentagon is believed to be considering a range of
military options against Afghanistan, from heavy bombing to the insertion of
special forces.

Amid continued speculation over an attack on Afghanistan, the Taliban leader,
Mullah Mohammad Omar, urged Afghans to "face any American attack with courage
and self-respect".

Meanwhile, America's preparations for war continued to build. Two tankers
were ordered to take 235,000 barrels of marine diesel fuel to Diego Garcia,
the US Air Force base in the Indian Ocean. A number of B52 bombers capable of
launching cruise missiles are believed to have been deployed there.

Another oil tanker was booked to deliver 28,000 tonnes of aviation fuel from
Greece to southern Spain. It is believed to be bound for the Moron air base,
used by US Air Force KC10 tanker aircraft to refuel bombers crossing the
Atlantic during the Kosovo conflict.

Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, told the Commons that with hundreds of
Britons killed in Tuesday's attacks, "the United Kingdom has both an interest
and an obligation to provide assistance to the US to help bring those
responsible to account and remove the threat that terrorists pose to the
international community".

Work was continuing to determine what military contribution Britain could
make "to assist in bringing to account those who organised, abetted and
incited these acts".

The British Chiefs of Staff have been meeting regularly since the attacks to
look at the various military options they could offer the Americans and a
number of extra liaison officers have been sent to the Pentagon.

"But the truth is they don't really need us," a source said. "We are always
happy to work alongside them, but it is much more about political support
than military assistance."

The US Armed Forces dwarf those of every other nation. There are 470,000
regular soldiers, with 7,600 main battle tanks, plus 170,000 Marines. The US
Air Force has 2,300 combat aircraft and the US Navy more than 200 ships,
including 12 aircraft carriers.

The 82nd Airborne Division, based at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and the
101st Airborne Division, at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, have been ready to fly
out to the Middle East since shortly after the terrorist attacks. Two carrier
task forces of the US Fifth Fleet are already in the Middle East, where there
are more than 30,000 servicemen, including the 1st Infantry Division, which
is on exercise in Kuwait, where 500 Abrams tanks are also based.

There are more than 300 American combat aircraft in the region, including
about 40 F15s and F16s at Prince Sultan Air Base, south of Jeddah, in Saudi
Arabia, 36 F15s and F16s at Incirlik, Turkey, and 24 Warthog "Tankbusters" at
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[CTRL] Sharon Defies Bush's Request for Peace Talks /note the slant (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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Israel is being cast as odd-man out


Sharon Defies Bush's Request for Peace Talks


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By Lee Hockstader
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, September 15, 2001; Page A28
JERUSALEM, Sept. 14 -- Defying a request from the Bush administration, Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon today forbade his foreign minister, Shimon Peres, to
meet Sunday with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.
President Bush had telephoned Sharon earlier today urging him to renew talks
with the Palestinians to end the year-long Middle East violence. Secretary
of State Colin L. Powell also had called with a similar message. But Sharon,
under pressure from hard-liners in his government, ruled out the meeting
that Peres has been trying for weeks to arrange to discuss a cease-fire with
Arafat.
"If we succumb now we'll give Arafat a photo op, a picture to show he's on
the side against terrorism, and it's all a big lie," said a senior Israeli
political source. "We can't let Arafat off the hook again. Sharon is not
against the meeting, but it has to be when Arafat makes a commitment to end
violence."
Although the United States is Israel's most important ally and benefactor,
Sharon in his long career in government has frequently defied Washington.
Still, it is relatively rare for an Israeli leader to spurn a telephoned
request by an American president.
As it moves to assemble an international coalition against terrorism, the
Bush administration is more eager than ever to cool off the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which has inflamed passions in the Arab and
Islamic worlds and left more than 550 Palestinians dead in 12 months. But
Sharon's refusal to authorize a meeting with Arafat suggested Israel may be
more focused on its conflict with the Palestinians than on a global campaign
led by the United States.
[Officials said Saturday that two Palestinians were killed in the Gaza
Strip, news services reported. A man was killed early Saturday during a
clash with Israeli tanks at Khan Younis in central Gaza, and a 17-year-old
was killed Friday by Israeli fire.]
Israeli officials said they believe that in the aftermath of the attacks
Tuesday in New York and Washington, Arafat is on the defensive and fearful
of being categorized in Western perceptions as part of the international
terrorist scourge. Desperate to avoid Washington's wrath and political
pariah status, Arafat's Palestinian Authority has suppressed videotaped
footage of some Palestinians celebrating news of the attacks against the
United States and Arafat was filmed giving blood for the victims.
But Sharon and his government, convinced they finally have a receptive
audience in the shellshocked West, are determined to drive home a point they
have been trying to make for months -- that Arafat is not a national leader
but a terrorist. Sharon said as much to Powell in their telephone
conversation Thursday, not for the first time comparing Arafat to Osama bin
Laden, the main suspect in Tuesday's attacks.
© 2001 The Washington Post Company



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[CTRL] Hate mail to ININ (reader discretion advised, coarse language) (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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Assalamu'alaikum

Here is some recent fan mail into ININ.

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From: Steve Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What Im going to do to you

I look forward to seeing the charred corpses of your people on the news
when the US retaliates against you third world fuckers.



Darren Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: you will all

We will find all you bastards & cowards who promote your islamic crap &
kill every last one of you!!! x

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Subject: TICK-TOCK, TICK-TOCK...WE'RE COMING FOR YOU!!!

TICK-TOCK, TICK-TOCK...WE'RE COMING FOR YOU!!!

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r m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Message to ININ, Prepare to reap the fruits of your
actions. For your cowardly attacks on civillians of
the United States, Prepare to burn. You called down
the thunder, well now you've got it. Tell your people
we are coming to send you to HELL.


Rick F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Death to all Arabs in Palestine

After the suicide attacks, Israel will push you arab bastards into the
sea. No one will cry over the death of you arab mongrels. Islam is a
gutter religion. Prepare to have your miserable lives ended

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DIE DIE DIE RAGHEADS DIE

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Subject: Allah is dead

Hey,

fuck you all, stupid assholes...

Fuck allah... losers

Fuck all Muslims, stupid losers.

We will win...

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FUCK YOU! WE WILL KILL



Johan van Geffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Nuke all moslim states

Hello,

If America atack the arab world we in Holland party for a week.
The childeren ho party here after America was atack, we are sending them
to your god by dropping them in a plain in Mekka.



john vliet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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yes you can quote me on that!

al fundamentalist from the islam should know they are hunted , even now
there are DUTCH people killed! maybe you can fuck the united states but
now

You fucked the wrong one, don't mess with the dutch People! We are a small
Country but now you you fucked the wrong one
Islam is a pig and Bin Laden is fucking it!
CRAZY! KILLING PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF GOD OR ALLAH!!rot in Hell!
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  WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE


 DEFINING APARTHEID

Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and
Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the
term "crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices
of segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and
which also apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the
establishment and maintaining of domination by one racial group over
another. This includes the deliberated imposition of living conditions
calculated to cause physical destruction and any legislative or other
measures preventing a racial group from full development of their
political, social, economic and cultural life.  This is an accurate
description of what the zionists are doing to the Palestinian people
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[CTRL] Millegan Stews - It ain't Pearl Harbor, its Remember the Maine!

2001-09-15 Thread Kris Millegan 

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Click Here: http://www.ctrl.org/MilleganStews/2ItaintPearl.html";>It
aint Pearl Harbor, its Remember the Maine!
Millegan Stews

It ain't Pearl Harbor, its Remember the Maine!
By Kris Millegan
9/15/01

The scripts of ops are filled with feigns and sleights and our current
situation is no exception.

Reflecting that the multi-generational cult tends to use recycled “plays” to
do their dirty work, it seemed to me that the current “action” is one much
more resembling the time line and sequences of the 1898 War with Spain. Pearl
Harbor, though makes a more poignant backdrop and helps to confuse issues.

During the lead-up to the Spanish-American War, certain forces for many years
had been trying to inflame the nation into a war with Spain. The majority of
the population expressed desires for a peaceful settlement of the “Cuban
Question.” There were years of “yellow journalism” and then an “attack” on
the USS Maine, February 15, 1898. War whoops were trumpeted by the press and
then “after some “patience” we went to war in late April. Teddy Roosevelt was
an Asst. Secretary of the Navy. His boss went home early one day and he sent
a pre-arranged message to Dewey and the first action of the war was in the
Philippines, not Cuba.

We would fight a bloody two-year war against the Filipinos. Bonesman WH Taft
would become Civil-Governor of the Philippines. Opium would soon be declared
illegal and the smuggling would begin anew. More about this at
www.ctrl.org/boodleboys

Will Bonesman and fellow Brotherhood of Death member George W Bush after
feigning to Columbia, which is already within much of “their” control, really
be going after Afghanistan with its huge opium production capabilities? Is
the sleight of hand so visible on Boy George’s face really another war to
consolidate the drug trade? Did the taste of poppies and profit during the
Mujahedin salad days just wet the “boys” appetite?

Will it be talked about on CNN?

MHO
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K

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Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
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[CTRL] Robertson, Falwell: U.S. Vulnerable

2001-09-15 Thread Bill Richer 

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Robertson, Falwell: U.S. Vulnerable
By CHRIS KAHN, Associated Press Writer

The Rev. Jerry Falwell and religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said the
United States was vulnerable to this week's terrorist attacks because the
nation has insulted God and lost divine protection.

``God Almighty is lifting his protection from us,'' Robertson said in a
four-page statement issued Thursday by his Christian Broadcasting Network.

``We have imagined ourselves invulnerable and have been consumed by the
pursuit of ... health, wealth, material pleasures and sexuality.''

Falwell, a Baptist minister and chancellor of Liberty University in
Lynchburg, Va., said Thursday on Robertson's religious TV program ``The 700
Club'' that he blames the attacks on pagans, abortionists, feminists,
homosexuals, the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) and the
People for the American Way.

``All of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in
their face and say, 'You helped this happen,''' Falwell said.

He added later, ``God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of
America to give us probably what we deserve.''

``Jerry, that's my feeling,'' Robertson responded. ``I think we've just seen
the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to
the major population.''

Elizabeth Birch, executive director of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay
rights organization, said Friday the comments of Falwell and Robertson ``were
stunning. They were beyond contempt. They were irresponsible at best, and a
deliberate attempt to manipulate the nation's anger at worst.''

Robertson, who founded the Christian Coalition and unsuccessfully ran for the
1988 Republican presidential nomination, said in his statement Thursday that
Americans have insulted God by allowing abortion and ``rampant Internet
pornography.'' He also chided the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) for,
among other things, limiting prayer in public schools.

``We have a court that has essentially stuck its finger in God's eye,''
Robertson wrote. ``We have insulted God at the highest level of our
government. Then, we say, 'Why does this happen?'''

Robertson was among conservative religious figures who backed President Bush
(news - web sites) in last year's election. A White House official called the
remarks ``inappropriate'' and added, ``the president does not share those
views.''

Falwell said Friday that he didn't mean to blame any one group.

``But I'd say this is a wake up call from God,'' Falwell told The Associated
Press. ``I feel our spiritual defenses are down. If we don't repent, then
more events might happen in the future.''

Bill Leonard, dean of the Wake Forest University Divinity School in
Winston-Salem, N.C., compared Falwell's and Robertson's comments with
militant Islamic rhetoric that has been condemned worldwide.

``It trivializes theology. It trivializes the dead,'' Leonard said.




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[CTRL] Robertson Defends Falwell

2001-09-15 Thread Bill Richer 

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Friday September 14 8:19 PM ET Robertson Defends Falwell

Robertson Defends Falwell
By CHRIS KAHN, Associated Press Writer

Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson on Friday defended comments the Rev.
Jerry Falwell made in an interview with Robertson that groups which ``tried
to secularize America'' were partly to blame for the terrorist attacks.

``In no way has any guest on my program suggested that anyone other than the
Middle East terrorists were responsible for the tragic events that took place
on Tuesday,'' Robertson said in a written statement.

Falwell, a Baptist minister and chancellor of Liberty University in
Lynchburg, Va., said Thursday on Robertson's religious TV program ``The 700
Club'' that he blames the attacks on pagans, abortionists, feminists,
homosexuals, the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) and the
People for the American Way.

``All of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in
their face and say, 'You helped this happen,''' Falwell said.

He added later, ``God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of
America to give us probably what we deserve.''

``Jerry, that's my feeling,'' Robertson responded. ``I think we've just seen
the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to
the major population.''

Falwell said Friday that he didn't mean to blame any one group for the
destruction.

``But I'd say this is a wake up call from God,'' he told The Associated
Press. ``I feel our spiritual defenses are down. If we don't repent, then
more events might happen in the future.''

On Thursday, Robertson issued a statement on the attack that said America had
insulted God and lost divine protection.

``We have insulted God at the highest level of our government. Then, we say,
'Why does this happen?''' he wrote in a statement released through his
Christian Broadcasting Network. ``It is happening because God Almighty is
lifting his protection from us.''

Elizabeth Birch, executive director of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay
rights organization, said the comments of Falwell and Robertson ``were
stunning. They were beyond contempt. They were irresponsible at best, and a
deliberate attempt to manipulate the nation's anger at worst.''

Robertson, who founded the Christian Coalition and unsuccessfully ran for the
1988 Republican presidential nomination, said in his statement Thursday that
Americans have insulted God by allowing abortion and ``rampant Internet
pornography.'' He also chided the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) for,
among other things, limiting prayer in public schools.

Robertson was among conservative religious figures who backed President Bush
(news - web sites) in last year's election. A White House official called the
remarks ``inappropriate'' and added, ``the president does not share those
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[CTRL] Attack 'could come this weekend' (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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Attack 'could come this weekend'
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 15/09/2001)

http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/15/watt15.xml

AMERICA geared up for war yesterday with Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence
Secretary, warning the country's servicemen that they would be called on to
vanquish "powerful and terrible enemies" in the months ahead.

The rallying call came as defence officials said an attack on Afghanistan,
which has given safe haven to Osama bin Laden, could come as early as this
weekend.

As President Bush authorised the call-up of 50,000 reservists, the Senate
gave him unanimous backing to use "all necessary and appropriate force
against those nations, organisations or persons" who carried out the
attacks.

Mr Rumsfeld told US servicemen around the world in a videotaped address
that much had already been asked of them, but "more, much more will be
asked of you in the weeks and months ahead".

"The task of vanquishing these terrible enemies and in protecting the
American people and the cause of human freedom will fall to you. I know you
are ready. I know America can continue to count on your selflessness and
courage," he said. The Pentagon is believed to be considering a range of
military options against Afghanistan, from heavy bombing to the insertion
of special forces.

Amid continued speculation over an attack on Afghanistan, the Taliban
leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, urged Afghans to "face any American attack
with courage and self-respect".

Meanwhile, America's preparations for war continued to build. Two tankers
were ordered to take 235,000 barrels of marine diesel fuel to Diego Garcia,
the US Air Force base in the Indian Ocean. A number of B52 bombers capable
of launching cruise missiles are believed to have been deployed there.

Another oil tanker was booked to deliver 28,000 tonnes of aviation fuel
from Greece to southern Spain. It is believed to be bound for the Moron air
base, used by US Air Force KC10 tanker aircraft to refuel bombers crossing
the Atlantic during the Kosovo conflict.

Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, told the Commons that with hundreds of
Britons killed in Tuesday's attacks, "the United Kingdom has both an
interest and an obligation to provide assistance to the US to help bring
those responsible to account and remove the threat that terrorists pose to
the international community".

Work was continuing to determine what military contribution Britain could
make "to assist in bringing to account those who organised, abetted and
incited these acts".

The British Chiefs of Staff have been meeting regularly since the attacks
to look at the various military options they could offer the Americans and
a number of extra liaison officers have been sent to the Pentagon.

"But the truth is they don't really need us," a source said. "We are always
happy to work alongside them, but it is much more about political support
than military assistance."

The US Armed Forces dwarf those of every other nation. There are 470,000
regular soldiers, with 7,600 main battle tanks, plus 170,000 Marines. The
US Air Force has 2,300 combat aircraft and the US Navy more than 200 ships,
including 12 aircraft carriers.

The 82nd Airborne Division, based at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and the
101st Airborne Division, at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, have been ready to fly
out to the Middle East since shortly after the terrorist attacks. Two
carrier task forces of the US Fifth Fleet are already in the Middle East,
where there are more than 30,000 servicemen, including the 1st Infantry
Division, which is on exercise in Kuwait, where 500 Abrams tanks are also
based.

There are more than 300 American combat aircraft in the region, including
about 40 F15s and F16s at Prince Sultan Air Base, south of Jeddah, in Saudi
Arabia, 36 F15s and F16s at Incirlik, Turkey, and 24 Warthog "Tankbusters"
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[CTRL] Anti-Terrorism and the United States Hegemony (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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Assalamu'alaikum,

Anti-Terrorism and the United States Hegemony

http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2180&TagID=1

Just like a re-run of the Oklahoma bombing the Americans and the global
Western media were quick to point fingers at Muslims without any shred of
supporting evidence. Once again the term terrorism is being made
synonymous with Islam. Such incidences will be used to provide further
justification to the anti-terrorism laws, carefully crafted over recent
years, that have as their core objective a policy of mobilising the
western forces under the leadership of the US to pursue and attack anyone
(individual, organisation, party or state) that is considered a threat to
US policy.

The strategic Islamic lands are being kept under control as a result of
this policy and they have identified Islam as their enemy because they
know that the Islamic Ummah is on the path to revival and the resumption
of the Islamic way of life in the shape of the Khilafah - the only State
capable of delivering mankind of the evils of Capitalism under which rule
the world suffered terribly for the last two centuries.

Khilafah.com therefore feel that it is necessary to expose the real policy
of the US and it is she that is working to dominate the world and that it
is she that is an even greater perpetrator of bombings and explosions
worldwide.

Ever since the United States Army massacred 300 Lakotas in 1890, American
forces have intervened elsewhere around the globe 100 times. Indeed the
United States has sent troops abroad or militarily struck other countries
territory 216 times since independence from Britain. Since 1945 the United
States has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world.

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23
countries. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53,
Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964,
Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala
1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s,
Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan
1998, and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20
different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half
a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.

The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of
the United States over the span of the past century:

Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business
interests.

Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels.

Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on
United States-claimed Navassa Island.

Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom -
Hawaii annexed by the United States.

Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefields, a city on the Caribbean
Sea, for a month.

China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-Japanese
War.

Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war.

Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of
Corinto.

China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion.

Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed after the
Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were
killed.

Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War; the
United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.

Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto Rico in the
Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today.

Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur.

Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the battle for succession to
the throne.

Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed
independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone
since 1901 when construction for the canal began.

Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a revolution.

Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect American interests during
a revolution.

Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War.

Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election.

Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate was set up.

Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras war with Nicaragua.

Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panamas election.

Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and
Corinto.

Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American interests during
Honduras civil war.

China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during continuous
flare-ups.

Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana.

Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panamas election.

Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests.

Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas
d

[CTRL] Power Grab

2001-09-15 Thread Euphorian 

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From
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/whatnottodo.html

}}}>Begin
The DC Horror Show
by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

Suddenly,
  after the attack, all of our wealth and all of our
freedoms are up for grabs, and not only by foreign terrorists, but by
our own government and its uncritical cheerleaders. Is there a limit
to
  how much liberty can be compromised in the name of
security? How
  much spending Congress should authorize? How much money
and credit
  the Federal Reserve should create? How much business
can be regulated?
Apparently
  not. But why not? A government unconstrained by law,
tradition,
  or public opinion is nothing short of despotic. Not
everything can
  be justified in the name of punishment, prevention, and safety:
  not conscription, not the elimination of privacy, not killing innocents,
  and not the use of nuclear weapons that necessarily violate the
  tenets of just war. Yet one US Senator, no less, has called for
  the death of innocents on grounds that terrorists don’t distinguish
  between military and civilian targets. In other words, we are being
  told to fight terrorism by becoming terrorists ourselves.
Robert
  Higgs, author of Crisis
  and Leviathan, has shown how government grows the most during
  times such as these. In a usual wartime situation, the government
  massively expands and then falls back only partially after it is
  over. This creates a ratchet effect that guarantees a relentless
  march of the state. Every new spending program creates a precedent
  said to apply in peace time. How often have we heard calls for a
  "Marshall Plan" to solve this or that social issue?
The
  present circumstances are even worse than wartime, where at least
  there is a starting point and an ending point (though Clinton’s
  wars have clouded even this). A war against terrorism, already begun
  in the 1980s and so far spectacularly unsuccessful, promises to
  be perpetual because of the endless number of conceivable threats.
  We’ll never know if we are winning or losing the war since something
  as monstrously huge as the recent attack could happen anytime.
It
  is proposed that we be on permanent war alert, which means that
  we must permanently trade our liberty for a promised (but undelivered) 
security. Bush’s requested $20 billion, make that $40 billion and
  rising, for antiterrorist measures is just the beginning.
The
  US already spends nearly $10 billion and employs nearly 1000 people
  to work on counterterrorism exclusively, and it has gained us nothing.
  Are we really supposed to believe that quadrupling this budget will
  somehow work to prevent future attacks? The money so far has done
  nothing but saddle the American people with more armed federal agents
  and invasions of privacy. It’s a sad commentary that many Americans,
  for now, say they are willing to shell out more in taxes and give
  up commercial freedoms. It is even sadder to note that the purchased
  security won’t actually be delivered.
So
  far we haven’t even been spared the commentator who pops his head
  up to observe, after a disaster, that at least the government-directed
  rebuilding effort will be good for the economy. One might think
  that the sheer scale of the losses would be too immense for that
  classic Keynesian fallacy. But no: writing
  in Slate Timothy Noah informs us that "we live in
  a very wealthy nation that responds to horrible disasters by spending
  large sums of money." This spending will, he predicts, "provide
  a meaningful Keynesian stimulus to a national economy."
Must
  we recount Frederic Bastiat’s parable of the broken window? The
  story goes that a boy throws a rock through a store window, and everyone 
is justly sad. Suddenly, Timothy Noah’s 19th-century equivalent shows up to say, hey, 
this is actually great! Now the
  glazer will be paid to fix it, and he in turn will buy a suit, and
  the process will multiply until everyone is actually made better
  off. What this forgets is the alternative uses of the resources
  that are spent in rebuilding: the unseen costs of property destruction.

And
  speaking of unseen costs, what about the alternative uses that might
  have been made of the $40 billion (for now) to be spent on 
counterterrorism
  that will go to hir

Re: [CTRL] U.S. vs. Afghanistan? Smart Money On Afghanistan!

2001-09-15 Thread Nurev Ind. 

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Euphorian wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> On 15 Sep 01, at 1:23, Nurev Ind. wrote:
>
> > I am deathly afraid,
> > but almost certain that this will be the war which will introduce nuclear
> > war fighting on a small scale.
>
> Whatever happened to JE Carter's neutron bombs?

Don't know. But The West has been trying to introduce little nukes
for quite a while. It's an efective weapon. We have it and most don't.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] The Fabrication of Jewish Nationalism and Cooperation Against Terrorism (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Nessie 

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> The earliest Greek mention of Jews puts the homeland of Jews in India

See:

http://www.viewzone.com/matlock.html

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[CTRL] Fromkin

2001-09-15 Thread Euphorian 

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From
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman92.html

}}>Begin
The Middle East
by David Dieteman

President
  Bush told Prime Minister Ariel Sharon that "our nation
will not
  try to force peace" in the Middle East. That was quite
some time ago, when the idea of the peace process "succeeding" was
not so impossible to believe.
At
  the time, I wondered whether a measure of sanity had
returned to American foreign policy after an 84-year leave of
absence.
As
  the Washington Times reported, Bush's comment were
pregnant with more meaning than a nascent anti-interventionism. "It
was a
  veiled reference to Mr. Clinton's aggressive push for
peace, which
  failed after high-pressure talks at Camp David last year."
Clinton
  approached the Middle East in the same way that he approached "the
  health care crisis," his impeachment, and every other fight he staged
  with the Republican party. He charged head first into the fray,
  loudly sniping at critics as foolish or evil, and attempted to simply
  push events the way he wanted them to go. (Did he treat foreign
  peoples the way he treated women? Hmm).
At
  the core, Clinton's approach to all problems was the approach of
  the huckster, loudly braying about the amazing benefits of letting
  him run your life, forcing you to sign on the dotted line, and 
disappearing
  before you realize you've signed your life away.
This
  circus act had a chance of working in domestic politics because the 
power-mad Democratic party, as well as its lickspittle allies
  in the labor unions, teachers' unions, and "civil rights" hierarchy,
  would cement the Clinton policy by endless repetition of the chosen
  mantras.
Where
  domestic policy is concerned, the Democrats were at least able to
  try to brainwash the sheep called voters into believing that Bill 
Clinton gave the American people"the most ethical administration
  in history," was "the first black president," and brought "peace
  to the Middle East" and was solely responsible for "peace in Ireland."
  Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! Never mind that
  men, women and children continue to die in Belfast and Palestine,
  that numerous Clinton cronies are now behind bars, and that American
  blacks are not much better off than they were in 1992 when the "first
  black president" took office.
The
  Democrats and their establishment allies, however, are utterly helpless
  when it comes to persuading the Palestinians and the Israelis, or
  Sinn Fein and the Democratic Unionist Party, about what a great deal 
Bill Clinton deigned to give them.
As
  a result, Clinton's snake-oil sale went bust overseas. Nobody told the 
Palestinians that Clinton brought "peace" to the Middle East.
  At a party in Manhattan, Clinton reportedly told Yasser Arafat that
  Arafat had made Clinton "a failure." Ah, the elusive search for
  a legacy.
Even
  if the American media had had the Palestinians, Israelis, and the six 
counties of Northern Ireland as a captive audience, Clinton's strategy was bound to 
fail for the reason that Clinton is no Yasser Arafat,
 and he is no Gerry Adams.
Arafat
  and Adams live with the threat of death on a daily basis. Their 
political careers are built upon earlier careers based upon less
  subtle forms of persuasion. Arafat has spent his life fighting the
  Israeli army and intelligence agency, while Adams has spent his
  life struggling against the British army and Loyalist terror groups.
  Adams has also spent a time in prison.
A
  snake oil salesman from Arkansas was not about to make Yasser Arafat
  or Gerry Adams blink.
As
  the Washington Times continued,
"The
  Camp David talks...went haywire, putting Jerusalem front and center 
as the sort of the be-all and end-all of negotiations
  before it really was ripe for solution," Vice President Richard
  B. Cheney told The Washington Times. "You've got to look
  at the situation we inherited in the Middle East and, frankly,
  it's a mess."
Yes,
  it is indeed a mess. But it would be a continuance of American ignorance
  of the Middle East to suppose that it is wholly Clinton's fault that the 
region is "a mess," or that the situation is wholly the
  fault of the United States.
Those
  who wish to at least begin to understand the Middle East must recognize
  that

[CTRL] Afganistan: Not Much Left To Blow Up

2001-09-15 Thread flw 

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Difficult Targets In Afganistan

Luke Harding and Rory McCarthy in Islamabad
Saturday September 15, 2001
The Guardian

American strategists face a dilemma as they contemplate a missile strike
against Afghanistan: what, exactly, to destroy when so much has already
been destroyed. Between 1992 and 1996, as civil war raged, rival Mujaheddin
factions shelled Kabul relentlessly. Innumerable rockets fell from the high
brown mountains that encircle the city killing some 50,000 people. Most
buildings of importance were pulverised and much of the city is still a ruin.

Nevertheless, US military planners will be working to identify key buildings
and military installations used by the Taliban's extremist regime. The Taliban
now appear to be as much a target as Osama bin Laden, the man they refuse
 to give up.

Some important Taliban buildings are set a little distance away from the
civilian population. The foreign ministry, which looks rather like a Swiss
town hall, is surrounded by pine trees and stands in its own pleasant
gardens.

Kabul's former royal palace nearby also offers a discrete target. Senior
Taliban officials hold cabinet meetings here every Wednesday afternoon.
But many of the Taliban's major ministries are in the heart of Kabul itself.

The modern culture ministry adjoins a busy bazaar. The interior ministry -
damaged by an unexplained bomb last Saturday - is in the middle of a
commercial district. And the modern education ministry is next to a row
of shops, surrounded by pedestrians, cyclists and yellow Toyota taxis.

Inevitably any missile strikes here would run the risk of heavy civilian casualties.
Kabul airport, to the north-east of the city, is a more uncomplicated strategic
target. Soon after the attacks in New York and Washington, Afghanistan's anti-
Taliban opposition blasted the airport with a helicopter gunship.

Further strikes would damage an airport building already riddled with
bullet holes. The carcasses of wrecked planes already litter the side of
the shrapnel-scarred runway. Not, though, that the Taliban have much of
an airforce: they are estimated to have only three MiG jets, left by the
retreating Soviet army.

The most important target for any retaliatory attack is of course Bin
Laden, the prime suspect. He has lived under Taliban protection inside
Afghanistan since 1996. But the problem is finding him, as the Americans
discovered when they bombed his training camps in Khost, south-east
Afghanistan, in August 1998, following the devastating embassy bombings
in east Africa. Bin Laden had left the camp half an hour earlier.

He moves secretly between bases deep inside Afghanistan. They include
a large Arab camp next to the airport north of Kandahar, a southern desert
city; a smaller base in the remote Oruzgan mountains; and another camp
near the town of Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan, cut into a rockface. The
camp is said to boast a large Islamic library, state-of-the-art communications 
equipment and three
uncomfortable beds.

All can expect to be the targets of US retaliation. So too can the house in
central Kandahar belonging to Mullah Mohammad Omar, the Taliban's
reclusive spiritual leader. Mullah Omar's previous house was badly
damaged by a mysterious bomb left in a truck, which killed at least 10
people.

He then moved to a more spacious property, with high white walls,
allegedly paid for by Bin Laden, his close friend with whom he sometimes
goes fishing. Bin Laden is also believed to have a property in Kandahar
fortified with anti-aircraft guns. His four wives and many children are
said to live here.

Unconfirmed reports suggest that Mullah Omar has temporarily
moved out. The difficulty America faces is that the Taliban leadership
knows full well what is coming.

"Last time they only attempted to strike the camp. This time they want
to eliminate the whole system and government," Abdul Hai Mutmaen,
the Taliban's spokesman, said yesterday.

The irony is that there is not much left in Afghanistan that has not
already been blown up.

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[CTRL] Being Feared Is Not Enough to Keep Us Safe

2001-09-15 Thread flw 

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WASHINGTON POST
Being Feared Is Not Enough to Keep Us Safe
 _What's Your Opinion?_

By Jessica Stern
Saturday, September 15, 2001; Page A27


Americans are eager to retaliate quickly for Tuesday's brutal attacks in New York and 
Washington. Nearly 90
percent of those surveyed supported taking military action against those responsible 
even if it led to war,
according to a Tuesday-night Washington Post poll.

The desire for revenge at a moment like this is perfectly understandable: We are 
traumatized as a nation. But
striking back quickly is far less important than discouraging future strikes by our 
enemies, and the two are
not the same. We cannot afford to allow an emotional desire for quick retribution to 
override our long-term
national security interests.

When seeking to deter, compel or appease their adversaries, smart leaders first learn 
about their enemies'
desires and fears. It is not clear that quick retaliation is what suicide bombers fear 
most. We cannot punish
the perpetrators; they are already dead. And the organizers of these attacks obviously 
care more about taking
revenge on us than they do about their own security. Osama bin Laden, for example, is 
reported to have said on
Tuesday that he is ready to die, and that if the U.S. military manages to kill him, 
hundreds more "Osamas"
will take his place.

I have met some of these "Osamas." They appear in many countries and subscribe to many 
religions. They are
usually drawn to extremist movements out of a feeling of severe deprivation -- whether 
socioeconomic,
political or psychological. Inside extremist groups, the spiritually perplexed learn 
to focus on action. The
weak become strong. The selfish become altruists, ready to make the ultimate sacrifice 
of their lives in the
belief that their deaths will serve the public good.

Operatives I've interviewed describe the emotional satisfaction of their work and the 
status they earn in
their community. "One becomes important due to his work. Successful operations make a 
militant famous and
glamorous among his fellow men," a trainer for a Pakistani group told me.

Militants describe fighting as becoming a way of life. Jamal Al-Fadl, a member of al 
Qaeda who became a
witness for the U.S. government, said that after the Soviet Union was defeated in 
Afghanistan, there were a
number of men who had been fighting so long that it was "the only thing they really 
knew how to do." One
long-term operative told me, "A person addicted to heroin can get off it if he really 
tries, but a mujahed
cannot leave the jihad. I am spiritually addicted to jihad," he said.

Islamic scholars explain that the jihad doctrine actually delineates acceptable 
behavior in war and, like the
Western "just war tradition," explicitly outlaws terrorism. But in the extremist 
schools I have visited,
clerics, often barely trained themselves, preach a virulent version of Islam, teaching 
their charges that
murder is morally sanctioned and that innocent people are fair prey.

Islam is not the only religion that produces such extremists. A Christian militant who 
is now on death row for
murder told me he was not trying to appeal his death sentence. "The heightened threat, 
the more difficulties
forced on [me as] a Christian, the more joy I experience," he said. Jewish extremists 
have repeatedly attacked
the Dome of the Rock, despite knowing that their actions could cause massive 
casualties or even war.

Terrorism's greatest weapon is its popular support. When we attack with inadequate 
intelligence and hit the
wrong target or the right ones at the wrong time, as we probably did when we 
retaliated for bin Laden's 1998
attacks, we play right into our enemies' hands. We look ineffectual. And we strengthen 
our adversaries' public
relations and fundraising strategies.

After the American attacks in 1998, the head of a Pakistani militant group that trains 
militants in
Afghanistan immediately held a press conference pronouncing, "Osama's mission is our 
mission. It is the
mission of the whole Islamic world." The attacks did not enhance America's image with 
the mujaheddin I've
interviewed, who describe Tomahawk missiles as weapons for cowards too afraid to risk 
their lives in combat or
to look their enemy in the eye.

What does this mean for our national security strategy? Our leaders need to commit 
themselves to a long, hard
fight. We need to rely less on high-tech intelligence and more on the old-fashioned 
kind. But this is a war
that must be fought on many fronts, using every tool at governments' disposal: 
diplomacy, intelligence and, if
we identify the perpetrator, military strikes.

But force is not nearly enough. We need to drain the swamps where these young men 
thrive. We can no longer
afford to allow states to fail. Afghanistan's humanitarian and refugee crisis, which 
profoundly affects
Pakistan as well, has become a national security threat to the entire world. We have a 
stake in the wel

[CTRL] 30-50 more suicide killers in U.S. (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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Excerpt:

"Within hours, rough cross-checking of U.S. intelligence data with the flow
from foreign colleagues was enough to strongly confirm the second wave
thesis. It also indicated that the masters of international terror intend
landing their second blow while the American government and people are
still recovering from the first. They will not wait for the United States
to get itself and its anti-terror coalition organized for a tough
retaliatory war. "




30-50 more suicide killers in U.S.
Intelligence sources say they wait for orders to strike

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24482


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or via the Internet.


© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

The FBI's coast-to-coast dragnet on the trail of the terrorists behind the
deadly airliner suicide attacks in America will need to do much more than
put together a case for crimes committed, says DEBKA-Net-Weekly. The agency
will have to move fast into the area of terror prevention so that America
is not caught off-guard again.

Prevention was where U.S. security fell down most tragically, allowing
terrorist suicides to use airliners as weapons of mass destruction against
New York's landmark World Trade Center and America's military nerve center,
the Pentagon in Washington. Advance intelligence on the appalling crimes
was nil. And when that first-line defense failed, the second-line barrier,
security, was likewise non-existent.

But it is not over. The threat against America's president, its ruling
institutions, its financial and military might is still palpable. Indeed,
according to DEBKA-Net-Weekly's counter-terror experts, reporting from U.S.
security and Israeli intelligence sources, the Islamic militants obeying
Saudi multimillionaire terrorist Osama Bin Laden, the radical Egyptian
Jihadi Islami, Iraqi military intelligence and other Middle East groups,
stand poised for a second wave of horrendous attacks.

An estimated 30 to 50 suicide-killers are waiting inside America for their
orders to strike. This time, while aiming as before for the president, the
White House and Capitol Hill, they will also go for a broad spectrum of
what they consider strategic targets, such as airports, oil fields and oil
installations, sensitive military and intelligence facilities, warships and
carriers. The last were indeed ordered out to sea shortly after the
assaults on Tuesday.

Aware that flushing out the terrorists in waiting, many of whom may be U.S.
nationals, is akin to finding a needle in a haystack, U.S. leaders quickly
resorted to a short cut. They turned to allies, in and outside NATO, in the
arena in which America fell down most signally: advance intelligence.

According to DEBKA-Net-Weekly's intelligence sources, a comprehensive round
of discreet telephone calls went out Wednesday from President George W.
Bush, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell,
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice and CIA Director George Tenet.
The calls went to German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, British Prime
Minister Tony Blair, Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President
Jacques Chirac, Chinese leader Jiang Zemin, Indian Prime Minister Bihari
Vajpayee and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

They were all asked to have their counter-terror and security agencies pool
intelligence with their counterparts in Washington, sharing every scrap of
information on international terror movements in support of the American
effort to eradicate the blight.

Aside from France, which posed conditions - and China, which has yet to
reply - all the other leaders promised every assistance and full
cooperation.

Within hours, rough cross-checking of U.S. intelligence data with the flow
from foreign colleagues was enough to strongly confirm the second wave
thesis. It also indicated that the masters of international terror intend
landing their second blow while the American government and people are
still recovering from the first. They will not wait for the United States
to get itself and its anti-terror coalition organized for a tough
retaliatory war.


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[CTRL] Reptilians

2001-09-15 Thread Euphorian 

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From
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}}}>Begin
THE REPTILIAN BRAIN
archived 10-19-99
Archive file# r101999b
donated by Jocleyn Savage
THE REPTILIAN BRAIN
by James M. Ridgway, Jr
Added to the StarNet Community Editorial Page on January 22, 1997
All social issues, good or bad, are in the end dependent upon man's
reptilian brain. The so called reptilian brain is the oldest, most
primative region of our gray matter. It is the aggression-survival
center of our existance. The basic ruling emotions of love, hate,
fear, lust, and contentment emanate from this first stage of the
brain. Over millions of years of evolution, layers of more
sophisticated reasoning have been added upon this foundation-- our
intellectual capacity for complex rational thought which has made us
theoretically smarter than the rest of the animal kingdom. When we
are out of control with rage, it is our reptilian brain overriding
our rational brain components. If someone says that they reacted with
their heart instead of their head. What they really mean is that they
conceded to their primative emotions (the reptilian brain based) as
opposed to the calculations of the rational part of the brain.
While the more modern, sophisticated parts of the brain get to do all the really 
complex day-to-day thinking, it is still the antiquated reptilian part that rules the 
roost. Politicians, preachers, and ad men know this, a
nd always aim their words at our emotions, not at our intellect to get their message 
across. The scary thing about the reptilian brain is that it has no concept of good or 
evil. It simply demands action of some kind. It w
ill not tolerate a void of inactivity. If it can not find an outlet for creative 
action, it will push relentlessly for destructive action, and if neither is possible 
it then begins pressuring for self-destruction. Thus ma
nkind as a whole, and individuals as well, oscillate between war and other murderous 
impulses and peaceful building and harmony. At times when there is no perceived outlet 
for constructive activity, especially among the y
oung and the old, and a strong conscience is blocking a destructive outlet, severe 
depression will take hold of a being in this suspened state of activity, pushing the 
victim insufferably toward suicide. Thus conscience c
an keep one pure and honest, yet under the wrong conditions it can also push one over 
the edge.
The classic example of the reptilian brain in action can be seen at work in that 
evilest of all evil men of the twentieth century, Adolph Hitler. At first Hitler had 
strong creative impulses to be an artist. However, when
 he applied to the established schools of art he was judged (perhaps more because he 
did not have the right social connections) to lack the basic talent for acceptance. 
Hitler's dreams were crushed. During the next severa
l years he wondered the streets of Austria and Germany, at time a wholly destitute 
person whom some historians claim made at least nineteen attempts at suicide. On one 
nearly successful attempt, ironically, he was prevent
ed from self-destruction by members of a jewish family. Eventually, as we all know, 
blocked from positive pursuits and having failed at suicide, Hitler discovered the 
Nazi party and his reptilian brain got its way in a de
structive orgy that took out himself and over 60,000,000 others of his species, and 
left much of Europe in ashes. From the glories of our poets and healers to the 
criminals and killers who terrorize our streets and homes,
 all are powered by the reptilian brain.
If the reptilian brain is the furnace of our actions, then the male hormone, 
testosterone, is like gasoline upon that fire. This is why over the millenniums men 
have been far more creative and destructive than women. (Sor
ry politically correct group.) Of course, as we know, men are physically most active 
when their testosterone level peaks in their early twenties. Thus with their reptilian 
brain fired up by testosterone at its maximum cra
ving for action in their late teens and early twenties, warriors, athletes and gang 
bangers reach their leatal zenith at this stage of life.
Now the point of this exercise is that the reptilian brain is not about to give up its 
hold on mankind in the next few million years or so, even if we could survive without 
it, which is most likely an impossibility. In an
y event, it is important that in all our political and social endeavors, legislators, 
aministrators, business and religious leaders, and the public at large, be fully aware 
of how what they intend might impact the reptili
an brain. Will it create unintended pockets where positive action is
blocked, leading to a whole array of destructive forces being
unleashed, or will it allow for activities that, while perhaps not
ideally suited to every interest, will at least minimize the
destructive potential? To know the solution, one must first
understand the problem. The reptilian brain ha

[CTRL] PREPARE FOR THE WORST (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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I WAS WRONG ­ BUT NOT WHY YOU THINK

On 911, the second day of infamy, I asked our email list to contact elected 
representatives to
demand that non-citizens leave the country.  A handful criticized me for this.  They 
were
right.  I never should have said such a thing.  I should have waited until it was a 
more
popular idea.

A COLONY OF THE WORLD

In 1992, former Senator Eugene McCarthy wrote "A COLONY OF THE WORLD: THE
UNITED STATES TODAY."  The subtitle was "A senior statesman warns his
countrymen."  McCarthy warned America that it was being colonized.  He said that people
like Henry Cisneros were "classical colonialists."  That was nearly ten years ago.  
Many
millions of colonialists have invaded our nation since.  They think they have a right 
to stay
here.  Their byword is "We are not leaving."

WE ARE AT WAR

President Bush has said we are at war.  He is right.  America is going to focus on the
"Homeland Defense," while at the same time going after international terrorists.  As 
we do,
we are going to be surprised at the resistance.  I have long said, "You will not 
realize you
are being invaded until you try to stop it."  As America cracks down on its borders, 
we will
be stunned at the degree to which the international community thinks we are its 
property.

MEXICO

Has President Fox said anything about the terrorist attack?  Not as far as we can 
find.  One
Mexican politician said - "Lets not make somebody else's war, our war."  On August 5,
2001, Univision, the Spanish-language TV network, ran a special called "The Other Face 
of
America," which some described as a declaration of war.  In it, actor Edward James 
Olmos
said ""We are going to dominate this country, and it's going to take, the way we are 
going,
another 25 years and we are going to be the majority of people, period!"  There are up 
to
five million illegal Mexicans in America.  If we decide, as we should, that those who 
are in
our nation illegally leave, what will happen?  Civil war.

WORLD WAR II INTERNMENTS

Some Japanese were interred at the outset of World War II ­ a move that was approved by
the U.S. Supreme Court.  Had fate not shined on us in the Battle of Midway. the entire
West Coast would have been subject to Japanese attack.

Since that defensive move, Political Correctness has overwhelmed our nation and we were
forced to apologize and pay reparations.  That should never have happened.  In 1941 
there
were very few people in our nation whose loyalty might have been suspect.  Today there 
are
millions.

I WAS PREMATURE

When I said we should demand that non-citizens leave the country, I was not saying that
they should be arrested or interred.  I was saying that they should return to their 
countries
of origin --- WHERE THEY ARE CITIZENS!!! This is not a death sentence!!!  There is no
way this can be called racist.  But remember this; the southern half of Manhattan is 
covered
with "xenophobia." We have 5,000 reasons to fear strangers.

America is going to be tested as never before and we are going to have to rely on 
ourselves
as never before.  Those who have become citizens have at least taken steps that teach 
them
something about citizenship and the true meaning of America.

The United States is in mortal danger. A demand that non-citizens return to their own
countries will, in time, prove to be modest.  Time will tell if I was right.  I am 
willing to be
judged by that test.

CIVIL DEFENSE

Americans must now join together to develop the means of defending their homes and
neighborhoods against anarchy and chaos that may well result as we begin the defense of
the homeland.

Glenn Spencer
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Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?

2001-09-15 Thread Kris Millegan 

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In a message dated 9/15/01 12:37:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Things have become hard for the elites to spin because the corporate media
>no
>longer have a monopoly on information. No government will tolerate this
>while
>trying to manage a war.

 A frightening aspect is that if this doesn't work, "they" may up the ante to
bio or other such dastardly methods of coercing us hoi polloi and other such
"defective slaves" to see "their" way.

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[CTRL] Big Boys Set To "Fix" Mondays Stock Market

2001-09-15 Thread flw 

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Hello List:

Do your bit for the good ole USA. Buy some stocks at an artificially
high price on Monday so the Big Boys can scam you once again.
My advice: Grab your wallet and head for the hills.
flw

REGULATORS PLAN
TO PROP UP MARTS

By JESSICA SOMMAR

September 15, 2001 -- Wall Streeters, along with the SEC, are planning
to confound the experts and foil a predicted stock market sell-off when
stock trading resumes on Monday.

Although market analysts say that historically a crisis like the World Trade
Center suicide bombing should shatter confidence and plunge stocks lower,
market pros said yesterday they were scheming to give a rousing show of
support for the American economy.

"It's the one individual act of defiance we can do to show this [crisis] isn't
going to stop us," growled one market veteran.

Plans to end the buyers' strike that has held stocks in a bear-like grip for
the last two months include inhibiting short selling as well as pulling money
off the sidelines and investing when stocks open for their first trading session
since the Twin Tower tragedy leveled the Wall Street landmarks.

And in an unprecedented show of support for markets, Wall Street
watchdogs have used their emergency powers for the first time, softening
restrictions temporarily to shore up stock prices if the expected sell-off
begins.

It's a big move by the new Securities and Exchange Commission chief
Harvey Pitt and his most important action since becoming the top Wall
Street cop last month. Pitt's goal is to ensure orderly markets during this
time of crisis.

In an SEC release yesterday, Pitt outlined the relaxed rules on net capital
for securities firms and allowing those firms and corporations to buy shares
if a stock is overwhelmed by sell orders.

Share buybacks, as this is known, is heavily restricted by amount and
even by the timing for such purchasing under market manipulation
regulations.

But Pitt let down the walls this week, allowing for unlimited share buyback,
and opened a hotline for brokers and companies who have questions
about proper trading practices in the wake of the new easing.

"The rule book is in the drawer right now because we've never had this
kind of crisis," said JP Morgan Senior Economist James Glassman,
applauding the SEC's efforts to keep markets stable.

Pitt also hinted strongly that he will seek to restrict short selling - where
an investor capitalizes on stocks falling in price.

But despite these emergency and unprecedented efforts many experts
still see a black cloud on the horizon.

Economic news yesterday showed an economy still teetering on the
edge of recession.

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[CTRL] In China, Anti-U.S. Sentiment Unfettered (fwd)

2001-09-15 Thread Yardbird 

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Assalamu'alaikum,

In China, Anti-U.S. Sentiment Unfettered

By John Pomfret
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, September 14, 2001; Page A26

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28614-2001Sep14?language=printer

BEIJING, Sept. 14 -- While average Chinese routinely approach Americans to
offer condolences for Tuesday's terrorist attacks, many others in their
offices, schools and Internet chats have voiced satisfaction at what they
describe as a well-deserved blow against U.S. arrogance.

The government, with a carefully calibrated official reaction, has done
little to discourage those who rejoice at seeing the United States taken
down a notch. Chinese authorities have not ordered government buildings to
fly flags at half-staff, for instance, and the government's own statements
have left diplomats and scholars feeling that the leadership is worried
about appearing too pro-American.

"Our response wasn't even as warm as Cuba's," said a government expert on
foreign policy. "That's sad."

Shi Yinhong, head of the international relations department at People's
University, said he believed that China's "silent majority" is supportive
of the United States. The problem, however, is that backing the United
States these days is unfashionable and potentially dangerous.

President Jiang Zemin is facing intense criticism from Communist Party
conservatives for a speech he made on July 1 in which he offered party
membership to Chinese capitalists. Chinese sources said that as a result,
Jiang is wary of appearing too sympathetic to the United States.

In a phone call with President Bush on Wednesday night, however, Jiang
offered to join an international fight against terrorism, the New China
News Agency reported. During the conversation, Bush confirmed he will take
part in the Oct. 20-21 Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit and
visit Beijing afterward as planned, China's vice foreign minister, Wang
Guangya, said at a news conference.

The state-run press gave the disasters in New York and Washington
prominent front-page play for only one day. By today, Beijing Youth News,
the most popular newspaper in the capital, relegated the story to inside
pages and focused its reports on the concern expressed by Chinese leaders
for Chinese citizens who may have been killed in the attacks. The People's
Daily, the Communist Party organ, played the story today among other
international reports.

China's security services, usually quick to suppress the Internet when it
is used for political purposes, have tolerated an avalanche of postings
lauding the attacks on message boards. An executive at Sina, China's
biggest Internet portal, said his company has received no guidance from
China's police about censoring the Web.

Ground zero for the battle between China's anti-American groups and those
who condemn the attacks has been bulletin boards at the country's two most
prestigious universities, Beijing University and Tsinghua University. So
far, anti-American screeds have won hands-down.

"We've been bullied by America for too long!" said one typical message
posted on the electronic bulletin board of Beijing University. "Finally,
someone helped us to vent a little."

"I'm happy not because I support terrorism," said another. "I'm happy
because I hate America."

"I weep for the cold-blooded Chinese," came one of the few opposing
responses.

Shi and some other scholars and citizens have said they were unnerved by
the reaction of some of their compatriots. "It seems as if people don't
really understand what happened in New York," said a Chinese journalist,
adding that some people in her newsroom cheered when news of the attack
broke. "They are just happy that America is facing a tragedy."

China has approached the disaster with a complicated mix of emotions and
historical baggage, according to Shi.

The May 1999 bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade by U.S. warplanes,
which killed three Chinese inside, is still fresh in many minds here, as
is the collision between a U.S. Navy reconnaissance plane and a Chinese
fighter on April 1 and the subsequent death of the Chinese pilot.

"Many Chinese look at the disasters in New York and Washington and think
they are somehow equivalent with what happened to us," Shi said.

More broadly, he said, the attacks come at a time when anti-American
feelings are high. With the collapse of communism as an ideology, China's
government has embraced nationalism and nationalist causes in its search
for new legitimacy.

"The thinking goes like this: Because the United States is arrogant, you
deserve your fate," Shi said.

Finally, he and others added, more than 50 years of living under the rule
of a Marxist-Leninist party has contributed to an attitude in which
radical acts, including terrorism, can be tolerated as a way to reach
political goals.


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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Did the Republicans/Israelis Engineer the WTC Attack?

2001-09-15 Thread Kris Millegan 








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Subject: [EMMAS] Did the Republicans/Israelis Engineer the WTC Attack?
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:51:22 -0700


When I write the word "terrorism" I feel I have to put it in
quotes. "Terrorism" is simply warfare using whatever weapons
can be improvised, because the U.S. is on the other side, and
isn't supplying fleets of helicopter gunships, etc.

It's called "terrorism" when a Palestinian blows himself up in
an Israeli marketplace, killing a dozen people. But when an
Israeli artillery shell, or antipersonnel flechette bomb, blows
up in a Palestinian marketplace, killing a dozen people, that's
called a "military counterterrorist action", or it's not even
reported in American media. The Israelis have murdered ten times
as many Palestinians as vice versa, and of course the Israelis
were the aggressors in the first place, stealing 90% of the
Palestinians' land.

Somebody just killed 6,000 people in New York. Israel and the
U.S. killed 10,000 people in Lebanon, and Bush killed 10,000
people in Panama for no reason whatsoever. Bush armed Saddam
and told him to invade Kuwait, and then when he did, killed
300,000 young Iraqi men immediately, and many more in the years
after. This was done to raise the price of oil for Bush's pals,
and to provide a great enemy to justify weapons profiteering for
years to come (the USSR having resigned).

The U.S. killed some 4,000,000 people in Southeast Asia, and
60,000 Americans, all to keep the Vietnamese from overwhelmingly
electing Ho Chi Minh and having democratic socialism (as Eisenhower
stated).

Bush just said he's going to eradicate Hamas and anyone who
supports it, with a budget of tens of billions of dollars for
weaponry. I think the Republicans and the Israelis are about
to exterminate the Palestinians -- the Final Solution.

And I wouldn't put it past either of the two fascist governments
to have instigated and financed (through intermediaries) a gang
of Islamic loonies to blow up the WTC. The Mossad did exactly
that in the Achille Lauro hijacking (see below).

One thing that doesn't smell right is the incredible speed with
which the FBI was able to identify the perpetrators, who
apparently made no attempt to destroy evidence, formulate getaway
plans, etc. This made sure that it was blamed on Islamics,
without any doubts about militia/Nazis like McVeigh.

There's evidence of a deep connection between the Republican and
Israeli fascists. Monica Lewinsky refused to cooperate with any
investigation of Clinton for many months, during which time she
had a gentle lawyer, William Ginsburg, who gave an interview to
an Israeli newspaper thusly:

``We are fans of President Clinton and admire his positions and
policies concerning Israel. Clinton is very positive toward
Israel and the Jews, and Monica and I are Jews,''

That sounds like a clear warning to Clinton to support Israeli
policy, or else.

Then Hillary Clinton said publicly that the Palestinians should
have their own independent state. Only _three days_ later,
Lewinsky dropped Ginsburg, and hired Plato Cacheris and Jacob
Stein, two Nixon mob lawyers who had defended major players
in Watergate, etc. She immediately offered to cooperate with
the Republican investigations of Clinton, who was then impeached.

Both the U.S. and Israel have slaughtered a whole lot more than
6,000 people in previous operations. The Republicans have trashed
the voting system, i.e., democracy, wrecked the Supreme Court,
and seized power. But they've not been able to shut up the
opposition, here and in the rest of the world. Now they have the
excuse to do it. The attack was done by only about 50 men,
but the Republicans have declared war on much of the Third World,
and on us.

Why have they done all this, when they were making plenty of money
already? Maybe they predicted that, because they can't censor the
Internet like they've done the mass media, American voters would
become informed and move toward social democracy, and that _would_
cut into the oligarchy's profits.

All through the 20th century, the U.S. style of kinder, gentler,
fascism was working just fine for them. There must be some reason
why they've decided to move toward an explicit police state now.

Almost certainly we'll never know if people in either or both
governments set up the attack on the World Trade Center. We do
know they've both done even worse things in the past.

What's important is their subsequent actions. The Palestinians
are penned up in a small area, and can't escape. When Bush and
the Israelis start slaughtering them, and lots of Afghans as well,
there are going to be big protests here. That's when they'll
start in on us, for violating "emergency laws" or "public order",
or "giving aid and comfort to the Enemy". That's when they'll
c

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9.11.01
Bush/Global Elite Behind Massive, Unprecedented 'Terrorist' Attacks,
Analysis Reveals

 -- Bush's 'Burning of the Reichstag'

 -- Pentagon assault a move to demonstrate BushMob supremacy within
the FedGov


Experts worldwide in numerous relevant fields have voiced similar
disturbing questions regarding the horrifying attacks carried out
against the United States today: questions which can logically and
reasonably lead to only one inescapable conclusion. Indeed, speaker
after speaker on many news programs broadcast in the aftermath of
this morning's extraordinary assaults reiterated that to some degree
or other, this morning's events HAD TO BE AN "INSIDE JOB."

This is certainly true  -- to an extent which will boggle even the
most stoic and unflappable of minds.

It was an inside job, alright -- inside, all the way to the very
highest levels of the national government. Such as G.W. Bush.

Who just happened to be out of Washington D.C. today when
the "terrorists" crashed one of their hijacked planes into the
Pentagon.

By virtue of the extraordinary levels of organization, planning and
coordination which clearly underlie this morning's horrendous assault
upon the World Trade Center buildings in New York (more about the
Pentagon assault momentarily); by virtue of the fact that
SUPPOSEDLY "terrorist" teams WITH WEAPONS were able to board at LEAST
five long-range jet flights this morning, undetected by ANY an ALL
security personnel at the airports involved, and that members of each
team were FULLY capable pilots with the know-how to aim large jets at
specific targets; in light of the fact that APPARENTLY the
intelligence agencies of the United States failed UTTERLY to get wind
of this massive, obviously thoroughly planned, timed and precisely-
executed military attack upon the nation; in light of the unarguable
fact that "President" Bush's job approval ratings have been
absolutely subterranean and are getting steadily worse, and that the
global elite/New World Order so thoroughly embodied in G.W. Bush have
been scheming for years on ways to burst America's bubble and put the
people of this country more firmly under the heels of the
globaloid "New World Order"; in light of ALL the above, there is
literally and obviously no real doubt whatsoever that the
incalculably vicious destruction unleashed today in this country was,
in the ULTIMATE analysis, set in motion by the Bush
InternationalCrime Family and the forces of global totalitarianism
they are so closely allied with.

So many of the BushMob's high-priority agendas are furthered by this
morning's events that it's just not possible they were not the
original and primary motivators of the monstrous devastation wrought
in New York City.

Very likely, working in close concert with their legions of cohorts
and allies throughout the Middle East who in turn manipulate and
instigate rabid anti-American sentiments among various Moslem
populations, producing crazed zealots all to eager to die for
their "cause", BushMob higher-ups exploited such elements, utilized
their hate and anger and fomented the attacks carried out today, in
furtherance of the hellish agendas of the global elite/new World
Order. Such elements -- the "usual suspects" -- will no doubt be
routinely accused, and massive "reprisals" of some kind will no doubt
be implemented by the BushMobsters against unfortunate Moslem
populations, thereby serving to increase the hatred of these people
for the United States. Which is just what the global elite want.

Remember: when the federal building in Oklahoma City was bombed, the
first fingers were pointed at "Moslem" terrorists. Yet Tim McVie, who
surely had SOMETHING to do with that incident even if as nothing more
than a patsy, was an ex-U.S. military man KNOWN to have been a
subject in government mind control activities.

Very likely, considering the vast scope of the destruction unleashed
today, the TRUE perpetrators will go much further this time in
covering their tracks, and will have used Moslem extremists to
actually carry out the suicide assaults.

Due to vast number of casualties involved in the destruction of the
World Trade Center towers, the psychological impact upon the American
people is likely to be very severe. It's a tried and true
Machiavellian tactic: create the problem -- in this case, severe
deadly attacks upon the nerve centers of the nation SUPPOSEDLY
emanating from an "EXTERNAL" source, and then offer the "solution" --
possible nuc

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Album Cover of the Year: Nominee 1
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Wednesday September 12 4:04 PM ET

Hip-Hop Group Yanks Album Cover Depicting WTC Blast

By Sue Zeidler

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Striking a macabre note, a new album cover by 
hip-hop band The Coup -- whose music has a strong anti-capitalist 
bent -- had until recently depicted the World Trade Center exploding, 
the band's label said on Wednesday.

``We changed the artwork as soon as we saw what had happened,'' said 
Daria Kelly, director of sales for 75 Ark, the band's label.

Kelly said the picture, which eerily shows group member ''Boots'' 
Riley holding a detonator in front of the exploding towers, was 
yanked from the San Francisco-based company's Web site at 
(http://www.75ark.com) by 9:30 a.m. PDT on Tuesday, hours after two 
hijacked airliners actually smashed into the World Trade Center's 
twin towers and brought them down, possibly causing thousands of 
deaths.

Kelly said the artwork was done about two months ago for the band's 
upcoming album, ``Party Music,'' which features a single called ``5 
Million Ways to Kill a CEO'' and is due to hit stores on November 6.

``We were going to print them this week. Thank goodness we hadn't yet 
printed them,'' she said, adding that the new album cover would 
probably just bear the band's logo.

While the label quickly moved to delete the image -- which shows 
explosions in the towers at about the same level as the actual 
blasts -- the picture has begun to circulate on the Internet and 
generate a lot of reaction.

It was featured Wednesday on lifestyle-culture Web site at 
(http://www.ammocity.com) accompanied by the following message: ''The 
album cover for hip-hop group 'The Coup' manages to even outweird the 
quotes from Nostradamus doing the email rounds today.''

Kelly said she had not received any e-mails about the cover, noting 
it hadn't been circulated by the label very much.

``We just started press about a month ago,'' she said describing the 
Oakland, Calif.-band's music as focusing on the ''destruction of 
corporate America.''

The band, considered among the more overtly political rap bands, was 
formed in the early 1990s. Lead rapper/producer Boots Riley, whose 
real name is Raymond Riley, was involved in political activism before 
becoming a musician, according to music industry sources.

Released in 1993, the Coup's debut album ``Kill My Landlord'' was a 
highly charged blend of leftist resistance and 70s funk, which 
received wide critical praise.

Album Cover of the Year: Nominee 2
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http://www.konformist.com/911/garycondit.htm

Gary Condit, Chandra Levy and the World Trade Center - Pentagon 
Terror Attack

The conspiracy theory of the month:

Was Chandra Levy killed because she uncovered classified documents 
surrounding the plans of the 9-11-01 terrorist attacks?

Runner up:

Did the BushMob take the month of August off to coordinate the attack?


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ROUND   UP   THE   USUAL   SUSPECTS
by  Mickey  Z.

September 11: As I sit typing this here in New York City, the radio 
is blaring news of hijacked planes crashing into the World Trade 
Center. Instantly, I feared for friends who work in the area. Next, 
overwhelmed by the inevitability I felt, I made a mental laundry list 
of suspects. Most observers, of course, will reflexively start with 
the generic term: "Arab." It's enlightening that Westerners use that 
word to describe people as diverse as Yemenis and Syrians, but never 
use "European" to label both an Irishman and a Swede. While it's 
clear that only a few groups had the resources to pull off such a 
coordinated onslaught, I still couldn't help but wonder who has the 
U.S. pissed off enough to warrant violent revenge?

I started in our hemisphere and thought of Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti, 
Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador . . . by the time I got to 
Colombia, I changed that to one entry: The entire Western Hemisphere 
(except non-Quebec Canada). Looking eastward, I thought of the 
Hawaiian sovereignty movement, North Korea, East Timor, the 
Philippines, Laos, Burma, and Vietnam before I realized that the 
term "East Asia" would suffice. Moving right along, Kashmir, Sri 
Lanka, Tibet, a whole gaggle of former Soviet republics (plus 
Chechnya), and the entire Middle East (except Israel) all had 
acceptable motives.

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9/13/01

Across America Tonight ...

Dear Friends,

I am on the road tonight, the only way to get out of L.A. and back
home to our daughter and our friends in New York City. Oddly enough,
I have never driven across this vast country. My wife and I have now
stopped in Flagstaff for a few hours sleep before moving on.

The sorrow and anger builds across America. Talk radio tonight was
filled with calls for carpet-bombing every Arab country. Many want
revenge, blood. But a surprising number of people have called for us
to not add to the killing of more innocent humans. The rest stops and
the convenience stores along the way were filled with quiet, solemn
people, many of whom, like us, can get home no other way than by this
four-day trip.

Our daughter is fine, mostly frightened by my desire to fly home to
her rather than drive. Once again, I was outvoted 2 to 1. This is
nothing new.

We have learned of more people we know who have lost their lives.
Bill Weems, who worked as a line producer for us this year, was on
the flight from Boston that crashed into the World Trade Center. He
was such a sweet and decent soul. Such senseless madness.

The children of New York who are orphaned tonight ... what do we say
or do? I will do my part -- anything, something -- as soon as I get
to New York. But it will never be enough.

The firefighters of New York: they are on every other block, every
day, and they are your best neighbors. Sitting out on the sidewalks
in front of the fire stations, a good word and a kind smile to all
who pass ... now, 350+ of them gone, having risked their lives to
save the victims of a carnage they soon became part of.

A good friend from Flint is a clerical worker at the Pentagon. I have
heard no word about her condition. I have tried contacting her family
to no avail. Her son, Malcolm, worked on our show. I cannot find him.
I keep getting tears in my eyes. Once she gave me a tour of the
Pentagon, took me everywhere, and got such a kick out of taking me
around this building I used to march on. Will our mutual friends who
know Barbara, and know how she is, please write me? Please.

The man who occupies the White House cried today. Good. Keep crying,
Mr. Bush. The more you cry, the less you will go to that dark side in
all humans where anger rages to a point where we want to blindly
kill. Your dad's and Reagan's old cronies -- Eagleberger, Baker,
Schultz -- are all calling for you to bomb first and ask questions
later. You must NOT do this. If only because you do not want to stoop
to these mass murderers' level. Yes, find out who did it. Yes, see
that they NEVER do it again.

But GET A GRIP, man. "Declare war?" War against whom? One guy in the
desert whom we can never seem to find? Are our leaders telling us
that the most powerful country on earth cannot dispose of one sick
evil f---wad of a guy? Because if that is what you are telling us,
then we are truly screwed. If you are unable to take out this lone ZZ
Top wannabe, what on earth would you do for us if we were attacked by
a nation of millions? For chrissakes, call the Israelis and have them
do that thing they do when they want to get their man! We pay them
enough billions each year, I am SURE they would be happy to
accommodate your request.

But I beg you, Mr. Bush, stay with the tears. Go today to comfort the
wounded of New York. Tell the mayor, a guy most of us have not liked,
that he is doing an incredible job, keeping the spirits of everyone
up as high as they can be at this moment. Being there for a city I
believe he loves, his own cancer still with him, he goes beyond the
call of duty.

But do not declare war and massacre more innocents. After bin Laden's
previous act of terror, our last elected president went and bombed
what he said was "bin Laden's camp" in Afghanistan -- but instead
just killed civilians. Then he bombed a factory in the Sudan, saying
it was "making chemical weapons." It turned out to be making aspirin.
Innocent people murdered by our Air Force.

Back in May, you gave the Taliban in Afghanistan $48 million dollars
of our tax money. No free nation on earth would give them a cent, but
you gave them a gift of $48 million because they said they
had "banned all drugs."

Because your drug war was more important than the actual war the
Taliban had inflicted on its own people, you helped to fund the
regime who had given refuge to the very man you now say is
responsible for killing my friend on that plane and for killing the
friends of families of thousands and thousands of people. How dare
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Berkeley
9/15/2001
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BETWEEN 200 AND 250 ANTI-WAR ACTIVISTS MEET AT UC BERKELEY, CALL FOR
A MARCH AND RALLY ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 20 AT NOON ON SPROUL PLAZA;
AGREE ON 3 POINTS OF UNITY, GREEN AND BLACK RIBBONS TO SHOW UNITY

With only 24 hour notice, between 200 and 250 anti-war students and
community members met tonight on the UC Berkeley Campus.  At this
meeting we agreed to 3 Unifying Points (I did not write down exact
wording)
1. Stop the War
2. Stop racist scapegoating.  Defend Arab/ Arab American and Muslim
communities
3. Defend civil liberties

We called for a mass rally and march for Thursday, September 20 at
noon at Sproul Plaza as part of the nationwide student day of action.

We are planning a teachin Wednesday (details to follow)

We will be mass distributing ribbons:

Black Ribbons will signify support of the 3 Points of Unity

Green Ribbons will signify that the wearer is willing to be an escort
and provide support for Arab/ Arab American and Muslim people looking
for protection.

To assist in planning outreach/publicity join us Sunday night at 6PM
in front of Evan's Hall.  We will have an official press release
ready on Sunday night.  Two initial press contacts are Chris  at
510.845.4438 and Ronald at h:665.8459 c:593.7489.
>>
Jonah Zern
NEW # 510.836.4069

*

A Couple Questions
9/14/2001
Lenny Hall

It bothers me that the U.S. Government, including members of
congress, would be so quick to make some startling remarks about
retaliation toward governments which "house" terrorists.  Fingers
have been pointing to countries like Afghanistan because supposedly
Bin Laden resides there.  Although I have now heard he may be in
Pakistan.

My questions to you are these - Do you know of any other reasons why
we would want to attack these countries?  For instance, what is the
drug trade like in these countries, and are we trying to gain control
of it? Is it possible this Bin Laden connection makes for a
justifiable reason for making an attack?

The anger this weeks tragedy has produced is incredible!   But, being
so quick to point the finger in one direction makes one question if
there might be more behind this.  After all, the dust hadn't even
settled and Bin Laden's name was all over the media as a possible
conspirator. Another thing that bothered me was when I heard that a
message, apparently sent to Bin Laden's people, was intercepted after
the incidents, and that they said something to the effect that "two
targets were hit."  First of all, how were these messages intercepted
so easily, yet they have no clue as to exactly where he is or where
the people are who sent the messages.  Plus, if you have these
messages on some kind of surveillance, why wasn't there some pre-
warning of the attack to begin with?  Even more troubling is the fact
that this portion of a message is not even a complete sentence.  That
reminds me of the David Koresh hype.  As you may remember, the media
was always flashing the video footage of Koresh saying, "You better
watch out, I'm God."  When the complete sentence, which was never
shown, was, "No I didn't get Ms pregnant.  If I had gotten a 70
[something] year old woman pregnant, then you better watch out, I'm
God."  For all we know, this "message" to Bin Laden's people may be
nothing more than someone letting someone else know what just
happened in the U.S.  They could have said something like, "Wow, some
people hijacked three passenger jets this morning and ran them into
buildings, and two targets were hit."  But, all we are told about is
the last portion of the sentence, which, by itself, sounds
suspicious.  Who's to say?  When all that's quoted is an incomplete
sentence, making it impossible to determine the intent of the
message, it raises red flags.  At least it does for me.

So, perhaps this quick reaction toward other governments is well
intentioned and well planned.  One thing is for sure, this event sure
has angered people into supporting the President and any aggression
he may deliver toward seemingly any of these countries.  Also, if the
economy suffers, there's someone else to blame besides the current
administration - namely terrorists.  And, everybody hates terrorists.
That is, the ones that aren't on "our" side.  Speaking of which,
isn't it funny how the worst "terrorists" on the planet were trained
by the CIA?  But, shhh, nobody wants to hear about that now.  We're
supposed to rally round the leader.

On the other hand,

[CTRL] ILLUMINATI: The Dragon is not as powerful as they want us to believe it is.

2001-09-15 Thread Ecotoday 

CAVEAT LECTOR:  From David Icke

<< Subj: [surfingtheapocalypse] The Dragon is not as powerful as they
want  us to believe it is.
 Date:  13/09/01 8:55:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time

 ALICE IN WONDERLAND AND THE WTC DISASTERIF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE
 FORCE BEHIND THE U.S. ATROCITIES JUST ASK: WHO BENEFITS?
 "Nothing would be what it is, Because everything would
 be what it isn't. And contrary-wise -what it is, it
 wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You
 see?" - Alice in Wonderland.
 By David Icke

 The force that seeks to control this world and
 introduce its global fascist state, the network I call
 the Illuminati, is nothing if not predictable.

 The unbelievable horror perpetrated on the cities of
 New York and Washington is a problem-reaction-solution
 sting on the collective mind of all humanity and I
 have been expecting an event of this magnitude for
 some years. I thought it could be a war or a nuclear
 "terrorist" device, but something fantastic was always
 going to happen during the years of the Bush
 presidency when, as I wrote on inauguration day, the
 agenda would be pressed forward with a gathering pace.

 Fast as the world was being moved towards global
 centralised fascism, it was still not fast enough to
 match the timescale demanded by the Illuminati agenda.
 And the opposition to their globalisation plans and
 their assaults on freedom, was gathering by the day.
 It was clear that something of enormous magnitude was
 being orchestrated that would so devastate the
 collective human mind with fear, horror, and
 insecurity, that "solutions" could be offered that
 would advance the agenda in a colossal leap almost
 overnight. This is what we saw in America on the
 ritually-significant eleventh day of the ninth month -
 911 is the number for emergencies in the United
 States. Ritual and esoteric codes are at the heart of
 everything the Illuminati undertakes.

 And, mind-numbing as these atrocities are, this is the
 start, not the end, of the next cycle of the
 Illuminati agenda for the mental, emotional,
 spiritual, and physical imprisonment of humankind.
 More and more death and destruction will unfold as the
 "Free World" unites as an (in affect) world army and
 world government to use the threat of "terrorism"
 (their own) to justify a war against the people and
 countries they choose to take the rap for what the
 very forces WITHIN the "free world" are themselves
 responsible for. Even war with the Islamic peoples is
 not the end, but the means to an end - a conflict with
 the remaining forces of communism, which they also
 control. Remember that the Illuminati operate through
 every country and within "terrorist" organisations and
 those agencies which "oppose" such terrorism. Only by
 having agents within all "sides" can they be sure of
 controlling the game and knowing the outcome before it
 starts. The Illuminati have operatives within the
 Islamic world, just as they have them in the so-called
 "free world", as we shall see in the months to come.
 Saddam Hussein is every bit as much a knowing
 Illuminati pawn as Father George and Boy George Bush
 in America, for example (see And The Truth Shall Set
 You Free).

 The predictability of the ritualistic, emotionless,
 reptilian mind can be seen in the news management that
 has followed this U.S. disaster. Look at what always
 happens in these circumstances and you will see that
 the blueprint is the same in almost every case. Before
 the event happens the fall-guy or "patsy" is already
 set up to take the blame, thus steering the public
 mind away from dangerous speculation and onto a
 pre-ordained target. After the Kennedy assassination
 it was Lee Harvey Oswald; after Oklahoma it was
 Timothy McVeigh; now it is Osama Bin Laden.

 Bin Laden, deeply misguided as he may be, is no more
 responsible for what happened this week than I am. His
 name was introduced with the most obvious
 co-ordination immediately after the disaster unfolded
 in the same way that the background to Lee Harvey
 Oswald was being circulated BEFORE President Kennedy
 was even dead.

 The idea that this guy from the mountains of
 Afghanistan with far more mouth than substance could
 be the "Mr. Big" of this enormous operation is utterly
 insulting to anyone of even basic intelligence (see
 the article by journalist Robert Fisk, who has met
 him). We are not talking a parcel bomb here, nor even
 some mind-controlled fanatic driving a car bomb into a
 restaurant in Jerusalem. Four commercial airliners had
 to be simultaneously hi-jacked in American air space
 via American airports and flown into highly specific
 targets within 45 minutes of each other. How was this
 possible? Because it was an inside job, that's how,
 orchestrated by forces WITHIN the United States and
 planned by the highest levels of U.S. "Intelligence"
 in co-ordination with other strands of the Illuminati
 spider's web worldwide.

 With an army now of mind-controlled assets at the

[CTRL] Fwd: WHERE"S CHENEY?!/ Mastermind of Tuesday's carnage said on run from mili...

2001-09-15 Thread Ecotoday 

CAVEAT LECTOR: FROM TOPVIEW

<< 9.15.01
 WHERE'S CHENEY?!/ Mastermind of Tuesday's carnage said on run from military


 According to an Air Force Reserve intelligence specialist who has spoken
 confidentially with TOP_VIEW concerning the tremendous death and
 devastation carried out Tuesday, there are substantial elements of the
 U.S. military who are wholly opposed in the most fundamental way to
 those forces within our government that are responsible in every way for
 the massive carnage.

 We were told in no uncertain terms how many high-ranking members of the
 Air Force and the Army are appalled, outraged and very, VERY distressed
 by what has occurred, and are currently engaged in a monumental struggle
 behind the scenes, to keep the true perpetrators of the "terrorism" from
 achieving their objectives and gaining virtually unrestricted control of
 our entire federal government once and for all.

 What's more: this source relayed to us last evening that Dick Cheney was
 in fact the prime architect and motivator/instigator of the brutal
 attacks; and that with the exception of the Navy, certain military top
 brass are looking for Cheney in the most serious way imaginable.

 And THAT is the reason that one DICK CHENEY has been COMPLETELY
 INVISIBLE AND UTTERLY, TOTALLY ABSENT FROM PUBLIC VIEW EVER SINCE THE
 ATTACKS ON TUESDAY!

 NOt a SINGLE WORD about the death and devastation has been spoken
 publicly by Dick Cheney!

 He wasn't even at the wholly-scripted memorial service held yesterday!

 An now we know WHY Dick Cheney has been completely out of sight --
 because he's in HIDING, that's why.
  >>




9.15.01
WHERE'S CHENEY?!/ Mastermind of Tuesday's carnage said on run from military





According to an Air Force Reserve intelligence specialist who has spoken
confidentially with TOP_VIEW concerning the tremendous death and
devastation carried out Tuesday, there are substantial elements of the
U.S. military who are wholly opposed in the most fundamental way to
those forces within our government that are responsible in every way for
the massive carnage.

We were told in no uncertain terms how many high-ranking members of the
Air Force and the Army are appalled, outraged and very, VERY distressed
by what has occurred, and are currently engaged in a monumental struggle
behind the scenes, to keep the true perpetrators of the "terrorism" from
achieving their objectives and gaining virtually unrestricted control of
our entire federal government once and for all.

What's more: this source relayed to us last evening that Dick Cheney was
in fact the prime architect and motivator/instigator of the brutal
attacks; and that with the exception of the Navy, certain military top
brass are looking for Cheney in the most serious way imaginable.

And THAT is the reason that one DICK CHENEY has been COMPLETELY
INVISIBLE AND UTTERLY, TOTALLY ABSENT FROM PUBLIC VIEW EVER SINCE THE
ATTACKS ON TUESDAY!

NOt a SINGLE WORD about the death and devastation has been spoken
publicly by Dick Cheney!

He wasn't even at the wholly-scripted memorial service held yesterday!

An now we know WHY Dick Cheney has been completely out of sight --
because he's in HIDING, that's why.

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