[CTRL] Accidental Genius
Title: Message Accidental Genius What turns a good idea into the next insanely great thing? Inspiration, perspiration, and the law of unintended consequences. By Mark Robinson GunpowderIntended use: Prolonging lifeIt began as a Taoist project aimed at finding the secret to immortality. In the eighth century BC, Chinese alchemists heated various compounds in an effort to transform them from one state into another. The secretive and often haphazard experiments were supposed to tap into the transmutations that in nature took thousands of years. Taoists hoped to discover a way to master those changes and, in the process, produce an "immortality pill." Which is how the Chinese came up with an odd mixture of saltpeter (potassium nitrate), sulfur, and charcoal or dry honey. The powder was used as a treatment for skin diseases and as a fumigant to kill insects. But it turned out to have a bit of a bang. In AD 850, this formula, which came to be known as gunpowder, was published in a book called Classified Essentials of the Mysterious Tao of the True Origin of Things. The author warned that "smoke and flames result, so that [the experimenters'] hands and faces have been burned, and even the whole house where they were working burned down." The deadly potential of gunpowder soon found a use in imperial China. In 1044, a Chinese manual on producing gunpowder-based weapons included cannons, bombs for lobbing at invaders, two-stage rockets, and land mines. Government-funded factories produced weapons with names like the "eight-sided, magical, awe-inspiring wind-and-fire cannon" and the "nine arrows, heart-penetrating, magically poisonous fire-thunderer." By 1160, the imperial armaments office was producing 3.2 million such weapons a year. Through trade and conquest, the technology spread beyond China. Europeans turned out to have a special talent for developing gunpowder and arms. They improved formulas, invented new weapons, and proceeded to dominate the world politically, economically, and militarily. The "immortality pill" turned out to be anything but. PhonographIntended use: Playing back recorded telephone messagesWhen Alexander Graham Bell patented the telephone in 1876, he pitched the device to businesses as a way to speed correspondence. That soon created another need: Companies wanted a permanent record of their phone conversations. Thomas Edison stumbled onto a solution. In July 1877, while experimenting with telephone speakers in Menlo Park, New Jersey, Edison noticed that the speaker diaphragm moved in tandem with the sound. He and his lab assistants hooked up a stylus to a telephone speaker. While Edison yelled into it, his assistants ran a strip of wax paper under the needle. When the strip was pulled back under the stylus, the faint sound of Edison's voice could be heard. What Edison had discovered was the acoustic recording of sound. The needle transmitted sound waves onto the wax paper by cutting a groove that varied in depth depending on the sound wave. The sound was reproduced when the needle passed back over the groove and transmitted the waves through the speaker diaphragm. The Wizard of Menlo Park immediately set about turning his invention into a product: a marketable device that would record telephone messages. But Edison soon became distracted by another technology - the electric lightbulb - that had a much clearer potential for profit. Throughout the 1880s, Edison's competitors pushed ahead with the commercial development of phonographs aimed at the American office. Spoken letters and contracts recorded on wax cylinders - the dominant medium - would soon be sent through the mail, they believed, making paper correspondence obsolete. But the sound quality was poor, the batteries unreliable, and the cylinders fragile. It was by chance that recorded sound found a lasting commercial use. With the business market for the phonograph faltering, manufacturers scrambled to come up with other applications. In 1889, the first coin-operated phonograph was placed inside an arcade. For a nickel, listeners could hear a two-minute recording. That year, a single machine at the Palais Royal Saloon in San Francisco took in more than $1,000 in five months. Edison jumped into the record business, developing techniques to mass-produce recordings and marketing them to an eager public. It took another decade before the phonograph reached critical mass. By 1899, 2.8 million records had been sold in the US, and recorded music had become the nation's most popular entertainment medium. Mechanical ClockIntended use: Regulating monastic prayerThe first mechanical clocks showed up in the mid-14th century, built in Italy by Giovanni de Dondi and in England by Richard of Wallingford. Their purpose was to track the motions of celestial bodies, an obsession of timekeepers since eighth-century China, where practically every activity was sche
[CTRL] Smile, You're on Bootleg Camera
Title: Message Smile, You're on Bootleg Camera http://www.wired.com/news/gizmos/0,1452,50910,00.html By Leander Kahney It's not just Apple's iPod that can be used to sneakily copy software from machines at computer stores; you can also use CD burners, digital cameras and the Net. By Leander Kahney. D i V E R S i O N Z A Daily "Bus Tour" & Commentary of Noteworthy & Offbeat News; Timely & Interesting Issues; Random Stimuli & Underrated Amusements To Hop On The Bus[EMAIL PROTECTED]Web Presence (Recent Highlights)http://www.geocities.com/xz13x/diversionz/diversionz.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 2/14/2002
[CTRL] Mascot fight leads Indian team to call itself 'Fighting Whities'
Title: Message Mascot fight leads Indian team to call itself 'Fighting Whities' http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u_pg=36&u_sid=336167 GREELEY, Colo. (AP) - Unable to persuade a school district to drop a mascot name that offends them, some American Indian students at the University of Northern Colorado have named their intramural basketball team "the Fighting Whities." D i V E R S i O N Z A Daily "Bus Tour" & Commentary of Noteworthy & Offbeat News; Timely & Interesting Issues; Random Stimuli & Underrated Amusements To Hop On The Bus[EMAIL PROTECTED]Web Presence (Recent Highlights)http://www.geocities.com/xz13x/diversionz/diversionz.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 2/14/2002
Re: [CTRL] Would you like fries with that?
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[CTRL] people with wayyy to much brains on their hands
Building a Better Whatever by Michael Stroud 2:00 a.m. Mar. 5, 2001 PST STOCKHOLM, Sweden –- In a nondescript office building in Stockholm, some of Sweden's best and brightest spend their time on projects like a game in which you move a ball with brain waves, and robots that mix drinks to match your moods. To researchers at the semi-private Interactive Institute, these aren't frivolous pursuits. They're part of a unique partnership between scientists, artists, computer programmers and others aimed at creating new paradigms for incorporating technology into daily life. people with wayyy to much brains on their hands --wired news http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,41928,00.html?tw=wn20010305 Bump on Over to KATCHUP for a Wholelottalinx on Current Events, Opinion, News, Views, Issues & Other Fresh Cyber Condiments Offered Dailyhttp://www.geocities.com/mulva41/katchup.html Or Request Daily Katchup In Your Inboxhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/KatchupKATCHUP Is Your Instant Source of Cyber Condiment GratificationIt's So Easy, Just Stop By and Point, Click, & KATCHUP Now!My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax spacer.gif
[CTRL] Student's threat unheaded by classmates --washington post
Student's threat unheaded by classmates --washington post http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26363-2001Mar5.html Bump on Over to KATCHUP for a Wholelottalinx on Current Events, Opinion, News, Views, Issues & Other Fresh Cyber Condiments Offered Dailyhttp://www.geocities.com/mulva41/katchup.html Or Request Daily Katchup In Your Inboxhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/KatchupKATCHUP Is Your Instant Source of Cyber Condiment GratificationIt's So Easy, Just Stop By and Point, Click, & KATCHUP Now!My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] It Can't Be Worse Than "OZ"
"Just what Bill Clinton needs: more media exposure for Monica S. Lewinsky. Ms. Lewinsky has agreed to fully participate in an HBO documentary about heraffair with Mr. Clinton, and its effect on the nation. It promises to be the first time she tells her story in great detail to an American television audience since she made her appearance on ABC with Barbara Walters. At that time, she was legally constricted in what she could say. That is not so now."- New York Times, 3/5/01 Uh...a couple of questions here...What "greater detail" do we actually want or need? What, there is no Mike Tyson fight available that night so we have to resort to this? Heck even the XFL sounds more appealing than this! Who plays Bill Clinton? Wouldn't be surprised to see Bill do it himself. FEARLESS PREDICTION: The show never airs because Monica mysteriously shows up dead from something like overeating or cigar smoke inhalation or diet pill overdose or something... Chances are this announcement has just assrured her as the next on the infamous Clinton whack list ( see: the clinton body count ) p Bump on Over to KATCHUP for a Wholelottalinx on Current Events, Opinion, News, Views, Issues & Other Fresh Cyber Condiments Offered Dailyhttp://www.geocities.com/mulva41/katchup.html Or Request Daily Katchup In Your Inboxhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/KatchupKATCHUP Is Your Instant Source of Cyber Condiment GratificationIt's So Easy, Just Stop By and Point, Click, & KATCHUP Now!My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] Surprise! Surprise! Napster's Filter Fails
Oh ya. I'm sure this was purely a technological "oversight"... NAPSTER'S NEW FILTER DOESN'T STOP THE MUSIC--pc world newshttp://rd.mailshell.com/adk9h85r6/www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,43546,00.asp Bump on Over to KATCHUP for a Wholelottalinx on Current Events, Opinion, News, Views, Issues & Other Fresh Cyber Condiments Offered Dailyhttp://www.geocities.com/mulva41/katchup.html Or Request Daily Katchup In Your Inboxhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/KatchupKATCHUP Is Your Instant Source of Cyber Condiment GratificationIt's So Easy, Just Stop By and Point, Click, & KATCHUP Now!My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] hannibal audience gets live suprise --sf gate
Mind control? Maybe. But maybe a mind eater. This would have been well worth the $8-$10 ticket price. hannibal audience gets live suprise --sf gate Bump on Over to KATCHUP for a Wholelottalinx on Current Events, Opinion, News, Views, Issues & Other Fresh Cyber Condiments Offered Dailyhttp://www.geocities.com/mulva41/katchup.html Or Request Daily Katchup In Your Inboxhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/KatchupKATCHUP Is Your Instant Source of Cyber Condiment GratificationIt's So Easy, Just Stop By and Point, Click, & KATCHUP Now!My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] Drunk Like W
W to the rescue or just a urban legend? drunk like dubya-- sf gatE Bump on Over to KATCHUP for a Wholelottalinx on Current Events, Opinion, News, Views, Issues & Other Fresh Cyber Condiments Offered Dailyhttp://www.geocities.com/mulva41/katchup.html Or Request Daily Katchup In Your Inboxhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/KatchupKATCHUP Is Your Instant Source of Cyber Condiment GratificationIt's So Easy, Just Stop By and Point, Click, & KATCHUP Now!My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] Florida Voters Strike Again
Incredibly, voters in Florida have struck yet again... see St. Petersburg Timeshttp://rd.mailshell.com/ad283br8o/www.sptimes.com/News/030101/TampaBay/Voters_punched_too_ma.shtml Get Katchup in Your Inbox!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Katchup Need a Daily Pep Talk? List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dailypeptalk Parents! Take a load off at the ParentCafeList Info: URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParentCafe My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] who really is speedo man?
The Man Behind the SpeedoThere's a nearly naked runner in Maryland, and is he popular.Washington Posthttp://rd.mailshell.com/ad283br8o/washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3038-2001Feb28.html Get Katchup in Your Inbox!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Katchup Need a Daily Pep Talk? List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dailypeptalk Parents! Take a load off at the ParentCafeList Info: URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParentCafe My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] Moon Landing A Hoax?
This has probably been a well discussed topic before, being new to the list please excuse this post if it is overkill...thought this was interesting. Interested in some of the thoughts of you list veterans. MadSci Network: Astronomy Re: Is it impossible to travel to the moon, because of the Van Allen Belt? http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may2000/959341359.As.r.html Get Katchup in Your Inbox!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Katchup Need a Daily Pep Talk? List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dailypeptalk Parents! Take a load off at the ParentCafeList Info: URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParentCafe My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] NASCAR?Marlin Conspiracy?
Marlin receives threats blaming him--ESPNAssociated PressSterling Marlin was stunned when he returned home after the Daytona 500 and found he was being blamed for starting the crash that killed Dale Earnhardt. "The first thing, you go in and turn the news on and some reporter is on TV saying that ... the vicious tap that I gave Dale Earnhardt sent him into the wall," Marlin said. "You just want to climb right into the TV and pull the guy out of there." That was just the beginning of the storm. Monday, the day after the fateful race, Marlin's Web site was bombarded by ugly e-mail. Threats against him and his family were phoned to his race shop in Mooresville, N.C. http://espn.go.com/rpm/wc/2001/0221/1099162.html Get Katchup in Your Inbox!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Katchup Need a Daily Pep Talk? List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dailypeptalk Parents! Take a load off at the ParentCafeList Info: URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParentCafe My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] CNN FLUBS THE 'F' WORD-AMERICAN REPORTER
NOW HEAR THIS: CNN FLUBS THE 'F' WORD-AMERICAN REPORTERAmerican Reporter Staff HOLLYWOOD -- "I have to call them ... Of course, I don't have a f-cking producer to call them!" Those words of an angry female reporter were heard live around the world on CNN Tuesday, as the cable giant's Web site tried to present a follow-up to an FBI press conference. The voice, apparently that of CNN correspondent Kathleen Koch, was heard on the air several times over the next 15 to 20 minutes, until she finally began offering a news report and two muted on-screen personalities came and went. [MORE] http://www.american-reporter.com/1534/3.html Get Katchup in Your Inbox!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Katchup Need a Daily Pep Talk? List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dailypeptalk Parents! Take a load off at the ParentCafeList Info: URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParentCafe My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] Ecstasy hits bear Pokemon image--NANDO
Ecstasy hits bear Pokemon image--NANDO FAIRFAX, Va. (February 21, 2001 11:02 p.m. EST) - A particularly dangerous variant of the street drug Ecstasy has been appearing in the innocent guise of a Pokemon cartoon character, police say. http://www.nandotimes.com/noframes/story/0,2107,500312440-500503027-50355-0,00.html Get Katchup in Your Inbox!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Katchup Need a Daily Pep Talk? List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dailypeptalk Parents! Take a load off at the ParentCafeList Info: URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParentCafe My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] Biggest Cult Ever?
Pope inducts 'princes of the church' Cardinals attend a ceremony in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican February 21, 2001Web posted at: 7:37 AM EST (1237 GMT) VATICAN CITY -- Pope John Paul II has presided over the largest-ever induction of cardinals into the Roman Catholic Church. Some quotes from the article: Each cardinal recited a Latin oath of eternal fidelity to Christ, obedience to the pope, and promising never to reveal any secret entrusted to him that could bring shame upon the Church. What might these "secrets" be anyway? I guess honesty isn't always the best policy. The colour [red] signifies that the cardinals are required to "be ready to spill blood if need be to spread the faith." Whose blood? I noticed it doesn't say "their blood". http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/italy/02/21/pope.cardinals/index.html Get Katchup in Your Inbox!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Katchup Need a Daily Pep Talk? List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dailypeptalk Parents! Take a load off at the ParentCafeList Info: URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParentCafe My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
Re: [CTRL] Cool Interactive Guide To Missile Defense.
YA NOTICE THE PART ABOUT THAT WE HAVE ONLY SUCCESSFULLY KNOCKED DOWN AN INCOMING MISSLE 3 OUT OF 17 TIMES. IN BASEBALL THAT MIGHT MAKE A LEFT HANDER OFF THE BENCH VERY RICH, BUT IN MISSLE DEFENSE ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO MAKING ANYONE FEEL COMFORTABLE p - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: [CTRL] Cool Interactive Guide To Missile Defense. http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/flash/0,7365,434805,00.html
[CTRL] Secret Messages Come in .Wavs --WIRED NEWS
Secret Messages Come in .Wavs --WIRED NEWSby Declan McCullagh FAIRFAX, Virginia -- Neil Johnson has a job that's nothing if not unusual: He investigates how to uncover concealed messages embedded in sound and video files. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,41861,00.html Get Katchup in Your Inbox!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Katchup Need a Daily Pep Talk? List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dailypeptalk Parents! Take a load off at the ParentCafeList Info: URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParentCafe My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] In Search of the 'Gay Gene' --Wash Post
In Search of the 'Gay Gene' By Jack LucentiniSpecial to The Washington Post Evolutionary biologists have long wondered why homosexuality exists. Since homosexuality does not directly result in the passing of genes to future generations -- evolution's driving force -- it seems odd that it persists in so many societies. A small but growing group of researchers, however, says evidence from both human and animal societies suggests that same-sex attraction does, in fact, have an important evolutionary function. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/science/A23722-2001Feb18.html - Get Katchup in Your Inbox!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Katchup Need a Daily Pep Talk? List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dailypeptalk Parents! Take a load off at the ParentCafeList Info: URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParentCafe My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] Police V. Privacy --CBS
Police V. Privacy --CBS Technology Redrawing Privacy Lines For Police, Lawyers Supreme Court Considering Case Involving Hi-Tech Search Nine years ago, members of a narcotics task force were using a thermal imaging camera to detect whether Danny Kyllo's neighbors in Florence, Ore. were growing marijuana. http://cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,273091-412,00.shtml - Get Katchup in Your Inbox http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Katchup
[CTRL] In the Headlines: William J. Clinton Edges Out G.W.B
In the Headlines: William J. Clinton Edges Out
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KurtzWashington Post Staff WriterMonday, February 19, 2001; Page C01
One month into his tenure, President Bush still manages to get himself on
television and in the papers. But the degree to which a previous White House
occupant is stealing the media spotlight is nothing short of remarkable.
From Monday through Thursday -- as the president was staging events on
military reform -- the network evening newscasts aired 18 pieces on Bill Clinton
(seven of them the lead story) and only 14 about Bush. From Monday through
Friday, the New York Times ran four front-page Clinton stories and two on Bush;
The Washington Post, four apiece.
Bush advisers see a silver lining. "There's some heartburn about the fact the
message is getting stepped on," says Mark McKinnon, Bush's campaign media
strategist. "But it's not getting stepped on with a good message [about
Clinton]; it's getting stepped on with a bad message. For voters it's created
such a stark contrast in appearances that it's enhanced their perception of the
Bush administration."
But as former Clinton spokesman Joe Lockhart observes, "It's hard to govern
from Page A-17. The presidency is about getting the country engaged."
Or, as Jay Leno cracks, "Is it me, or is Clinton in the papers more now than
when he was president?" (Clinton still dominates in late-night jokes as
well.)
From Jan. 20 through Feb. 15, says the Center for Media and Public Affairs,
the ABC, CBS and NBC nightly newscasts have done 135 stories on Bush and 62 on
Clinton -- an eye-popping statistic considering that most former presidents
quickly vanish from the headlines. ("NBC Nightly News" aired the most Clinton
stories, 34, to 32 for Bush.)
"No news is good news for George Bush," says the center's Robert Lichter. "In
every new administration, someone gets clobbered by the media. Usually it's the
incoming president. This time it's the ex-president."
Some of the early Clinton controversies -- over his acceptance of gifts and
rental of pricey New York office space -- have faded, and the initial reports of
vandalism by departing White House aides are now seen as overblown. But
Clinton's pardon of fugitive Marc Rich has mushroomed into a full-blown,
international-intrigue, much-investigated, cable-ready scandal.
But as awful as the pardon looks -- and even Democrats have been denouncing
their former leader -- it's more absorbing for journalists than the latest
maneuvering over Bush's tax-cut plan. For the media, scandal trumps boring
Washington substance.
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer says his boss isn't worried about being
overshadowed. "I assure you the president does not have any such frustration,"
Fleischer told reporters. "He's just looking forward and not looking
backward."
Another adviser says of the Clinton avalanche: "I don't think any of us
inside the Bush administration would be out wishing for this." But, this person
says, "George W. Bush has demonstrated great discipline when it comes to the
former president, which is not to rassle with that tar baby. We stick to our
business."
But Lockhart says the president "is running a pretty cynical good cop/bad cop
campaign. The Republican apparatus has been out there pushing these stories, and
Bush says we shouldn't be focusing so much on Clinton."
Lockhart also insists that the media are pumping up some of the Clinton
controversies. "We've seen a real deterioration in the press's ability to
separate a real news story from the chatter that starts on the Internet or in
conservative circles," he says. "There's probably a little bit of withdrawal
from covering Bill Clinton. It's ridiculous."
Democratic strategist Mark Mellman also sees Bush losing out: "There's only
so much news hole for politics. If Bill Clinton's taking it up, that means
George Bush isn't."
Despite the Democratic spin, the media battering of Clinton has given the
party a black eye. Even Clinton's Commerce secretary, William Daley, tells the
New York Times that Clinton's exit has been "devastating." The Newsweek and Time
covers out today are on Clinton. (Time's headline: "Th
Re: [CTRL] Why Dr. Hannibal Lecter continues to fascinate
-Caveat Lector- Ya I noticed that they completely forgot about Red Dragon too. Although I thought the premise of this article was forward-worthy. We pull for Hannibal because he only eats, kills, dissects, messes with (you choose) bad people. The movie is NOT going to be Silence of the Lambs, a masterpiece, IMHO, of psychological suspense, it is far more gory and concentrates way more on Hannibal than Clarice or any other character of the series (hence the name Hannibal). Hopkins makes the movie work, otherwise this might pan out to be another Scream or Halloween or Friday the 13th blood saga. Julianne is no Jodie Foster, John Hinkley would attest to that. It is interesting though how the premise of the article is that society has found a new sort of hero in Hannibal. I think he is definitely bi--from certain parts of the books and with his "clientele" but it leaves that open to speculation, I guess. p - Original Message - From: "Johannes Schmidt IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Why Dr. Hannibal Lecter continues to fascinate > -Caveat Lector- > > Whoever wrote this review is an idiot. For starters Lecter didn't debut in SIlence of the Lambs, he was in the movie and novel of Red Dragon some years previously. > > It is a fantastic film though and I highly recommend it. > > What I couldn't figure out though, is whether Lecter is meant to be gay? He kills more men than women (seemingly) but by killing both it would suggest he is bisexual. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't tone down or ignore his orientation to avoid getting on the wrong side of the Hollywood pinko brigade? > > Anyway, run out and see it if you haven't already. It is a work of genius. > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Why Dr. Hannibal Lecter continues to fascinate
Why Dr. Hannibal Lecter continues to fascinate Copyright © 2001 Nando MediaCopyright © 2001 Christian Science Monitor Service By DAVID STERRITT, The Christian Science Monitor (February 16, 2001 10:18 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - Hannibal Lecter, popular culture's most celebrated cannibal, is back. He's been in hiding for the past 10 years - ever since his wide-screen debut, "The Silence of the Lambs," swept the "big five" 1991 Academy Awards and racked up higher box-office profits than Hollywood ever expected. Some give the credit for his success to director Jonathan Demme, who injected "Lambs" with a heavy dose of high-intensity suspense sequences and shock effects. Others argue that the film simply rode the coattails of Thomas Harris's bestselling novel. Still others praise the emotionally effective acting of Anthony Hopkins as the cannibalistic psychiatrist and Jodie Foster as Clarice Starling, the FBI agent who's both fascinated and repulsed by his inexplicably evil ways. Which theory is right? A clue lies in the title of the movie's long-awaited sequel, which opened last weekend to generally good reviews and packed theaters. Unlike the first picture, "Hannibal" is named after its own main attraction: Dr. Lecter himself, still a ruthlessly charming protagonist even if his new adventures lack the sense of audacity and surprise that marked his previous incarnation. What's shared by "Lambs" and "Hannibal" is a steady preoccupation with Lecter's unique blend of smoothly refined traits - his brilliant mind, impeccable manners, seductive smile, ingratiating voice - and brutally depraved crimes, which are far more repellent than the standard-issue murder and mayhem that most thrillers thrive on. It's no accident that the sequel is named after its complicated villain, and it's unlikely the picture would have been made if Hopkins hadn't agreed to reprise the villain. For better or worse, Hannibal Lecter stands as one of today's most vivid pop-culture icons. What accounts for his wide-spread appeal? Mikita Brottman, a professor at Shippensburg (Pa.) University who has written extensively on horror tales and "cannibal culture" in film and literature, makes a key distinction between the Lecter movies and more ordinary shockers. "Most of the 2/16thrillers 6/16 that kids watch have an anonymous killer who stalks a series of victims, usually wearing a mask," she says. "You don't know who he is, so he can't have much personality. But you know exactly who Lecter is, and he has all kinds of personality. So you feel much closer to him than to all those faceless bad guys." Along with his personality, Lecter's profession may be a key to his charisma. "He's a psychiatrist," Brottman explains, "and to many people that's the equivalent of a wizard or shaman. This comes partly from childhood fears, when you think your father can see everything, and there's no limit to his insight and intelligence. People attribute quasi-magical powers to psychiatrists - in a sense, they can read your mind and absorb your thoughts. "Lecter's cannibalism is a metaphor for his ability to get into people's minds, which we fear even more than our bodies being eaten Lecter does what people are subconsciously afraid any psychiatrist might do, which is to absorb your brain. Absorbing your adversary's power is a basic motif of cannibalism." Brottman sees an important moral implication in the fact that Lecter is depicted as an expert - albeit a wicked one - in the workings of the human mind. "This is particularly relevant to our time," she argues, "since to some extent our society's moral vocabulary has been replaced by a therapeutic one," using ideas of dysfunction and treatment as models. "In this atmosphere, a psychiatrist is seen as a moral authority because he's an arbiter of the therapeutic approach. This makes him seem even more powerful and magical, and also more scary." This may make Lecter the perfect villain for our postmodern age, but Brottman also finds a link between his movies and the premodern fairy tales that have captivated children for centuries. "There's a lot of fairy-tale imagery here," she says. "Dungeons, cells, people being tossed into pits and thrown to the pigs." The clever, vulnerable Clarice is also a folk-tale figure. "She's a Little Red Riding Hood, a little-girl figure who enters the 'forest' and has a special ability - because of her innocence and honesty and integrity - to get to the ogre" For Brottman, Lecter is too contrived a character to frighten in more than a "fairy-tale ogre" way. Still, she gives the filmmakers credit for making him a compelling villain who simultaneously repels and attracts us. "We're afraid of him," she says, "but we also side with him, because we want him to use his powers to get the other bad guys. And you're on his side because you don't want him agai
[CTRL] Execution-style killing of one-time Mafia princess is a mystery
Execution-style killing of one-time Mafia princess is a mystery LOS ANGELES (AP) Susan Berman was found dead at her home in fashionable Benedict Canyon, a bullet to the back of her head, in what looked like a page from one of her books about the Las Vegas mob. It was a world she knew from the inside. Berman, 55, was a Mafia princess in her childhood. Her father was Davie Berman, a lieutenant to Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel and Meyer Lansky. She learned to count with chips and dice, dined on the Flamingo Hotel's room service and had a full-time bodyguard to protect her from kidnappers. But was her Christmas Eve slaying a mob hit? And if so, was she rubbed out for something she had written? Or something she was about to write? http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20010216_908.html Need a Daily Pep Talk? List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dailypeptalk Wholelottalinx brings you the best of current events from the web daily complete with URL reference! List Info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wholelottalinx ~Parents! Take a load off at the ParentCafeList Info: URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParentCafe My Chat Addresses: ICQ: 103814927 Y! Messenger: Kazzmir MS Messenger: Kazzmir AOL Messenger: xmulvax
[CTRL] Lori Berenson- political prisoner-Peru
-Caveat Lector- Lori Berenson's first TV interview, aired recently, has sparked renewed interest in her case and in Peru - the nation where she has been incarcerated for more than four years. For extensive background, read "The Lori Berenson Papers," published in August by The Nation and currently available at: http://www.thenation.com http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fujimori replaces Peru's armed forces chiefs
-Caveat Lector- > > > Fujimori replaces Peru's armed forces chiefs > Plot to restore ex-spy chief rumored > October 28, 2000 CNN.com > Web posted at: 8:31 p.m. EDT (0031 GMT) > In this story: > > Talks disrupted > > Money laundering probed > > 'Lot of money, nowhere to go' > > RELATED STORIES, SITES > From staff and wire reports > LIMA, Peru -- President Alberto Fujimori has replaced the three heads of the > Peruvian armed forces amid questions about their loyalty and rumors of a plot > to restore ousted spy master Vladimiro Montesinos. > Fujimori told reporters Saturday the three officers resigned. "There would be > no authentic democratization if the armed forces and police had not made this > enormous sacrifice, this enormous patriotic gesture," he said. > In the navy, Adm. Antonio Ibarcena was replaced by Adm. Victor Ramos Ormeno. > Gen. Elesvan Bello was replaced by Gen. Carlos Balarezo as the air force > commander. Gen. Walter Chacon, who had served as the interior minister, > replaces Jose Villanueva Ruesta as chief commander of the army. > Gen. Fernando Dianderas becomes interior minister. The only Cabinet member to > retain his position is Defense Minister Carlos Bergamino. > Journalist Claudia Cisneros told CNN from Lima that the move by Fujimori was > seen as a genuine attempt to further democratize Peru. Although the > replacements as leaders of the country's armed forces were former Montesinos > supporters, they were also moderates. > Talks disrupted > Fujimori's grip on power has been in doubt since Montesinos' return on Monday > from Panama, where he had sought asylum after being caught on videotape > apparently bribing a congressman. > The bribery scandal was followed by Fujimori's announcement that he would > step down next year. But Montesinos' return disrupted talks on democratic > reform between the government and opposition and forced the president to > reassure his countrymen he was in control. > Before Saturday's resignations, he had already transferred five colonels from > their posts. He also led a highly visible manhunt for Montesinos this week. > The former intelligence chief has not been seen since he returned and many > analysts suspect members of the military are sheltering him. > Montesinos has claimed all he wants now is to live quietly as a private > lawyer and to avoid public intrigue. Few believe he is telling the truth. > On Saturday, Peru's Attorney General Blanca Nelida Colan -- a Montesinos > loyalist -- appeared to bow to public pressure by assigning three new > prosecutors to investigate Montesinos on a range of criminal complaints from > torture and death squad killings to corruption and money laundering. > Colan also removed from the case a prosecutor who critics charged had > whitewashed a 1997 probe of systematic phone-tapping by Montesinos' > intelligence organization. > Money laundering probed > The prosecutors will investigate allegations that Montesinos laundered money > from a drug trafficker who testified in 1996 that he had given Montesinos > $50,000 a month for the use of an airstrip. > The former spy chief will also be investigated as the man responsible for the > November 1991 murders of 15 people, including an 8-year-old boy, in a > tenement building in Lima's squalid Barrios Altos district; and for the > death-squad executions a year later of nine students and a lecturer at La > Cantuta, a poor public university on Lima's outskirts. > In a radio interview from his secret hideout, Montesinos on Tuesday denied > involvement in either massacre. > Legal experts believe the former spy master will find it difficult to hide > from international justice. Already shunned by Latin American countries, > Montesinos has found that the world has become smaller for alleged torturers > and murderers since former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet was arrested in > Britain two years ago on the orders of a Spanish judge. > 'Lot of money, nowhere to go' > Robert Varenik, director of the protection program at the New York-based > Lawyers Committee for Human Rights, said, "What is really clear is that > Montesinos' options have narrowed, Fujimori's options have narrowed and the > options for Montesinos to get around the law are limited." > Martin Belaunde, dean of Peru's college of lawyers, said the former spy chief > "has a lot of money but nowhere to go. > "I don't know how many countries would like to receive him," he said. > One of Montesinos' most promising options disappeared earlier this week when > Venezuela declined to take him. Morocco and Iraq have been offered as > possibilities. > Lawyers said that if Montesinos left Peru he would essentially face life in > "rogue states" that cared little about flouting international law, such as a > 1984 convention obliging states to try alleged torturers. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelc
[CTRL] Peru info
-Caveat Lector- My husband is currently in Peru. The following couple of paragraphs are his comments, followed by a couple of pieces from "professionals", with some interesting websites at the end of the post. His English suffers after more than a month of speaking mostly Spanish or Quechua. FYI Patty > >Thanks for the note on Peru. Its amazing how half of Peru loves Fujimori >and half hates him. Its a funny split too. Camposinos love him except for >those in La Libertad and Iquitos as far as I can tell. In Lima its more >divided on class lines..those with good connections love him, taxi drivers >love him, intellectuals hate him, business people and most Americans here >think hes better than anyone else given the choices and prefer stability. > >Apparently today or yesterday Fujimori asked for foreign asylum for >Montesinos in Panama and Brazil who both turned him down. > >More of a problem just now here is the oil price problem and the general >truckers strike that has been going on in Lima and Chimbote among oterh >spots for the past 4 or 5 days. Lima is running out of gas supplies now >from the strike. In the sticks theres no issue. Huancayo where I am now is >tranquil. >http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/briefs/vol5/v5n34peru.html > >In Focus: Peru: Democracy & Dictatorship > >Volume 5, Number 34 >October 2000 > >Written by Coletta A. Youngers, Washington Office on Latin America >Editors: Tom Barry (IRC) and Martha Honey (IPS) > >Key Points > > Since taking office in 1990, President Fujimori has concentrated power >in his own hands, greatly strengthened the role of > the armed forces and SIN, and thwarted political opposition through >bribery and intimidation. > The recent Peruvian elections failed to meet even the most minimal >international standards for a free and fair process, and > Fujimori embarked upon an unconstitutional third term, which left the >country deeply polarized. > Fujimoris decision to call for new elections and dismantle SIN is an >important step toward putting Peru back on the path > to democratization; however, the situation remains very tense and the >position of the military and intelligence services > uncertain. > >When President Alberto Fujimori assumed an unconstitutional third term in >July 2000 following fraudulent elections, some >Peruvian analysts predicted that growing popular unrest would thwart him >from staying in the presidential palace for his full >five-year term. Nobody, however, thought that Fujimori would decide to step >aside only a few months after the contested >elections. In mid-September, Fujimori announced that he would be holding new >elections (in which he would not parti-cipate) and >that he would dismantle the feared National Intelligence Service (SIN). >Fujimoris startling announcement provoked joyous >celebrations, as Peruvians across the country took to the streets, honking >horns and chanting anti-Fujimori slogans. > >In the background, however, an ominous power play has intensified involving >the president, his national security adviser, >Vladimiro Montesinos, and the armed forces. A cloud of uncertainty hangs >over Peru, as calls for the detention of Montesinos go >unheeded and he appears to continue to orchestrate events from behind the >scenes at SIN headquarters. Some Peruvian analysts >are referring to a white coup, in which hard-line sectors have gained the >upper hand. > >Peru is now clearly on a different pathpopular sentiment has turned sharply >against the Fujimori government, making it ever >more difficult for the president to continue in office. Popular protests >continue. Yet the path toward democratization is mined with >obstacles, unless firm action is taken quickly against Montesinos and other >top military leaders. > >What sparked Fujimoris announcement was the release of a video that shows >Montesinos bribing an opposition member of >Congress, Alberto Kouri, to switch loyalties and join ranks with the >Fujimori coalition in return for a $15,000 monthly stipend and >payments to cover campaign costs. In addition to Kouri, at least 17 others >recently voted into Congress were bribed or >threatened into switching allegiances, thereby allowing the Fujimori >government to obtain a majorityin direct defiance of voters >wishes and largely delegitimating the present Congress. > >The source of the leaked video remains a cause for speculation. However, >what lies at the heart of Fujimoris apparent demise is >an even more sinister action. Information has slowly emerged indicating that >high-level military and intelligence officials, including >Montesinos himself, have likely been involved in trafficking guns to the >Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), >possibly in exchange for drugs. According to press reports, thousands of >Russian manufactured automatic weapons were legally >purchased from Jorda
[CTRL] nessie-- The Color Yellow ... was Birdies
nessie comments: >Of those people seeking out victims for company, some are themselves >victims. Others, however, are predators, using a disguise to hunt prey. >Anybody seeking out victims should therefore be especially suspect. > >The surest way to be victimized is to go around trusting people when you >have nothing to go on but their own word. Don't do it. It's dangerous. It >leads to victimization. thanks for your comments. Yes i do agree with your comments on predation. I think it is interesting to see that you apparently equate belief in someone's history/information with trust. While I see that there is that aspect in terms of the predation issue, I can believe someone's information without trusting them. Trust is a complex issue but for me there are huge differences between believing that someone is a survivor of experimentation, being friends with them, sharing my own personal information, or inviting them to my home. Patty http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Color Yellow ... was Birdies
I guess I dont really understand why anyone would want to lie about be raped and shocked and beaten. I dont understand why anyone would want to fake dissociation so they could obtain the meager funds from disability. I guess there are those who would say it is to get attention. The "attention" one gets from someone seeing the scars from self injury or experiencing that recoil of one's "friend" when they _finally_ drag the story of dear old dad favorite perversion out of you... well it is not all that attractive, so far as attention goes. Then there is the "attention" you get from the staff in the psych hospital when they drug you and tie you up again. Or from the guy you desperately had to pick up, even though you dont remember why, who does nearly the same thing to you. So i dont get it. Please can someone explain why so many people would chose to lie about something so very horrible, and better yet, I want to know how come so many of them, from different parts of the country who have never even met the others and never read _anyone's_ book are talking about the same crap and drawing pictures of the same equipment and torture devices? Patty At 10:31 PM 08/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: >> >>There are many eyewitnesses to this torture. > >How are we to tell them from the liars? > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Birdies
Birdies I want to second what Kris has written to you below. This list is not an easy one for survivors but it is an important one. I seldom post here but I read some people's information as it is unique and informative. Your voice offers a different perspective from the usual postings since you since you can offer first person experiences rather than quoting others. It is very hard to tell people things they dont want to hear, no matter how important the message. I hope you continue to post when you can. I know it is very painful to not believed but we both know that is nothing new. Dont let that old pain silence you now. I want to hear your information, as do others here. You dont have to respond to those who dont want to know. There are others who _are_ interested. Please offer your perspective to those who are ready to listen thank you for your efforts Patty At 02:41 PM 08/20/2000 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/20/00 1:05:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >>So this is what I thought I would get in here. So you will >> >>be rid of the ole problem one in the group. >> >>Birdie >> >>Private mail welcome > > Birdie, you are not a problem. I am sorry if you feel slighted, this list >can be rather terse as the subject is rife with all forms of mis and dis >information. I am glad that you have communicated your understandings and >experiences, it helps us all towards understandings of subjects normally not >discussed and /or beyond ones ken. > >But then this isn't a support list for survivors either and I am truly sorry >if you have been offended. If you can stay around and enlighten folks, please >do. > >Thanks > >Om >K http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this--mate de coca, brownies
my husband says it's spelled mate de coca (accent over the e which laptop does not make) you can also buy regular tea bags of coca in Peru that apparently can be imported to the US. it looks like green tea and kinda tastes like green tea too. didnt get much of buzz but i didnt brew it very strong or drink much (no altitude sickness at my house) in Argentina there is regular mate which is Celestial Seasonings Morning Thunder tea pot tea tastes pretty awful so it hard to drink enough to get high, but tends to give headaches, like smoking seeds. pot brownies were always the traditional high school teacher prank but one must saute the pot in butter and use that so the plant material is not obvious. It worked best on those who tended to wolf things down as there was still a green taste. another child of the 60's At 01:30 AM 08/19/2000 -0500, you wrote: >In Bolivia, one may order tea made with cocoa leaves.It is called a cocoa >mottie (I am spelling that phonetically as I do not know the real word in >Spanish). They will bring you a whole little tea pot of this hot beverage. >It is supposed to help with altitude sickness which I always got there as >LaPaz is above 14,000 ft. I drank two whole pots of it one time and my lips >became numb, temporarily. I also saw cocoa leaves for sale by the hefty bag >in the open air Indian markets. I believe it takes about a ton or so to make >one kilo of cocaine so there is litle danger that someone would purchase >that quantity by the hefty bag. Makes me wonder why our govt is so uptight >about all this. There is less abuse there where it is legal in reasonable >amounts than here. I think only liquor companies make campaign >contributions. Make contributions to the right campaigns and anything can >become legal. And also we need sin taxes and to keep our prison system >fluorishing. >Amelia > > >Amelia > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Birds-- Reply to Patty Rehn-"proof"-- documenting
thank you for your encouragement in our project. Please spread the word it you are in contact with child survivors. We can move forward so much faster if we are all working together. Anyone is welcome to write me offlist and/or visit our website, always in need of updating at www.aches-mc.org for additional contact information. Virtually all child experimentation survivors (who have submitted data) were subjected to horrible abuse nearly from birth. Only two people have reported "normal" home life, but still abuse before six years of age. It would appear that early trauma was considered a prerequsite for adequate dissociation, perhaps a suggestion from the cult advisors to the military and "medical" experiments. In terms of "proof" of sexual abuse of children, my rage is an energy source. When my mom woke up enough to take me to the pediatrician, she was told that deformed gentials and compulsive masturbation were within the norms and indicated nothing. Nor did my eating disorder, migraines or acting out the abuse with what ever other living being was available. Any sort of proof, short of murder and the subsequent DNA findings during autopsy can be conviently explained away. Sorry to be graphic but children seem to only find a voice in death, and some not even then. I will look for the references I have to the studies that show that children do not make false claims of abuse. Of course, there have been rebuttal comments by the APA (american pedophiles oops, psychiatrists association) and the FMSF but since both groups have members who owe their livelyhoods to funding for unethical research or who are outspoken in their preference of children as sex partners, what other response could be expected? thanks again for your encouragement and I am sad to hear of someone else who was hurt, I do wish i could change the past. Patty At 01:02 AM 08/18/2000 -0700, Birds wrote: >All I can do right now is bow down to kiss your feet. Your posting here was >excellent and was what I have been saying all along that people all over are >reporting the same incidents. Thank you ever so much for printing this the >way you did and for coming up with the facts that these people on this seem >to need http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] nessie, regarding TIs, justice, was: "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence
Nessie Thank you for commenting on our project, I respond below to the topic of electronic harassment and the possibilites for "justice". Just to clarify though, our main work is regards those who survived abuse and experimentation as children and younger people. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of this population does not currently experience electronic harassment, although it is mentioned by a few people, probably less than ten, who have responded. It would appear that most of those who are currently targeted lack childhood abuse experiences. I am frequently contacted by those victimized in this manner, but I refer them to Cheryl Welsch who specialized in this sort of situation. The majority of victims appear to be older women who are targeted without apparent (to them) reason, with a minority of men, most of who seem to be older also. There also seems to be a population of younger men. Most of the inquiries are from the south or from California. There are also people from the Scandinavian countries and the UK. Several of the older men do seem to have some reason for targeting, such as prior history in the engineering field or aeronautical industry. Not that this is a reason per se but it has come up several times so maybe it is someone's reason. This group seems to be fairly easy to characterize and it is too bad many of them so angry that they are unable to submit data for a study. I think a pattern would emerge with a fairly small sample. It could be done simply on the basis of location. The child survivor information is quite a bit more complex. So far as our low probability of ever gaining any legal redress, yeah maybe, but I refer you to the case of Dorothy Proctor v. Corrections Services Canada. Lynne's interview on the topic just got posted. The director of CSC who was named in the suit has just now retired, he was ordered to testify. There is a second report from the McGill ethics specialists who found that CSC should pay up to anyone abused while in any of the facilities. CSC attempted to suppess this report but it was leaked to the the Ottawa Citizen by someone at CSC. There is a US doctor and his company mentioned by name in this report as being directly involved in the experimentation. Although it is a circuitious path, there are probably more documents in Canada which list names of "researchers". Additionally. a huge volume of information exists in the psychology literature regarding human experimentation. I am sure many of us recall the god-like attitude of doctors in the 1950's, they thought they could publish the findings of their research experiments with impunity. Some gems include the production of stuttering through the application of electric shock. Another example are the drawings of a survivor which depict an isolation chamber and the devices used to further isolate the arms of the child. These drawings are nearly identical to those in a Scientific American article describing the sensory deprivation experiments at McGill University, supervised by Donald Hebb, successor to Ewen Cameron. No, the article does not mention the kids they tortured too but another book on the subject does muse about the different responses of other age groups to such conditions. (A group of Irish dissidents who were awarded money by an international court based their case on the sensory deprivation techniques developed by the US and used against them in a UK prison, so some folks have received redress for US experimentation recorded in the literature. --see The Guineapigs, penquin press, 70's) There will probably be some interesting references in the notes of the grad students who will soon be distinquished old farts donating their papers to their alma maters for posterity. Yeah it will take a while to find the connections but they are there, despite the fact that the CIA thinks they burned all the documents. They only got their copies. Portions of other half of the paper trail will still be intact in the files of the university researchers who thought they were doing high science. I doubt we will convict many people though as most of them will be dead by the time we get it all figured out but there are some universities and government agencies who have some pretty deep pockets. We might tarnish a few of those shining repuations, and best of all we might get some other potential researcher to think twice before he plugs some little kid into the machine, all in the name of the red threat. Geez, Lynne has already been quite instrumental in restructuring the administration of Corrections Sevices Canada-- at least that is what the behaviour of the MPs indicates, since they are now congratulating her on her work while the director is having to retire early. That is an effect dont ya think? We are only half way into that can of worms and they are already starting to drop out. Justice has many faces. The courts might side with the perps but the politicians are not so constrained.
Re: [CTRL] "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence
Kris Thank you for your encouragement. This list and specifically many of the pieces of information you have contributed to have been invaluable to our research. Some of the most esoteric have been the most important in putting together disparate pieces of information. The last ones that come to mind were the posts on code and the bibliographies of code history. These were extremely helpful, providing more documentation of the who-what-where that could then be correlated to the survivor memories of binary code. Please continue to post those wonderful pieces of basic historic data. I don't know how you have the time or the ability to find and post these new resources day after day but I really appreciate your efforts. I have probably made more connections from the information and resources posted to this list than any other internet source. thanks again Patty At 09:39 PM 08/17/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I say hear, hear, something must be done. And one of the first is to >understand what is -really- going on. And what you folks are doing shall >help. Thanks > >Om >K > >In a message dated 8/17/00 6:06:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >>The data http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] "proof"-- documenting anecdotal evidence
Hi I have been reading the discussion regarding the credibility of anecdotal evidence of abuse, mind control, child exploitation and related issues, with great interest. I would like to ask from input from this group so I can do a better job for ACHES (Advocacy Committee for Human Experimentation Survivors). We having been compiling a database of anecdotal survivor testimony for several years. We have information from over 260 child survivors from the US and Canada with several new contacts per month. We felt that the most likely way for anecdotal testimony to have credibility (with a larger audience) was to have data from as large a population as possible. As some listmembers have commented, conventional documentation will not always be available, even though the incidents are important and apparently widespread. Children, prisoners, those confined to various institutions or military personnel and their families are all populations that have little recourse for mistreatment, making them easy targets for exploitation and the subsequent dismissal of their claims. We have received information from people in all of these catagories, and plan to eventually map all survivor data, although we are starting with those reporting abuse, experimentation and exploitation beginning during childhood. The data is being entered into a computer database and then mapped through time and space to find commonalities. Data from other sources is also being mapped, such as professional journals, historical sources, other firmly documented researcher data, etc, to see what correlations may arise between the anecdotal evidence and the "traditional" sources. We attempt to collect some basic information from each person and then additional information may also be submitted. We also are scanning and creating archives of survivor drawings and including this graphical information in the database. I would appreciate any input from this group regarding our project and your impressions of the credibility of information summarized from the anecdotal evidence of many independent contributors. If anyone wishes to contribute to the database please write me off list for details, including security for contributors. Thank you for your input Patty Rehn US Contact The Advocacy Committee for Human Experimentation Survivors http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PRISONER EXPERIMENTATION - CIA & Canada in Complicity
thanks for posting about Rick and the Canadian prison connection. the coverup continues, unfortunately. Rick is still be shuffled around below is a post from Lynne about his current situation. A new ethics report has been issued from McGill condeming the experiments and calling for compensation but the info still being suppressed. We hope to post the text on our website as soon as we decypher it. The corrections service obliterated lots of it with their stamps, three on each of the 45 pages. please consider writing to Rick. He has a private cell now and has a place to keep his books and papers. He needs magazines and books (paperback) He is an intelligent, self educated man with a warm heart and kind spirit. thank you Patty ACHES _MC- US >Rick was transferred to Edmonton Institution from Stony Mountain >(Winnipeg) on Wednesday, June 28. After being held in solitary >confinement for 2 1/2 months at Stony (?) -- he is now on open >range. His legal aid review re: funding for bank robbery appeal, which will >be handled by Eddie Greenspan if approved, has been forwarded to Toronto >after four deferments in Thunder Bay due to local "conflict of interest". > > >He would appreciate hearing from people - cards, letters, articles, books >can be mailed to Richard Carlson > Edmonton Institution > 21611 Meridian Box 2290 > Edmonton Alberta >T5J 3H7 > > >If you live in the Edmonton area, or have contacts who do, >visitors would be appreciated. Email me privately and I can >put you in contact with a friend there. > > >Dorothy Proctor's case is proceeding well, "accelerated" by the >release of the McGill University report confirming experiments >during 1958-1983. You can contact Dorothy c/o Kim Pate Executive >Director Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies in >Ottawa at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Lynne Moss-Sharman >807-622-5407 >Thunder Bay >Canada Contact: ACHES-MC >Advocacy Committee for Human Experimentation Survivors - >Mind Control > > At 05:36 PM 07/26/2000 +, you wrote: >http://www.aches-mc.org/prison.html > >PRISONER EXPERIMENTATION >RICK CARLSON >Survivor of Canadian Prision Experiments http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] T. Henry Moray
Thank you for posting this information. Do you happen to have the source or citation? I believe I have read this before but I have not been able to find the original. Thanks patty At 12:30 PM 07/04/2000 -0400, you wrote: >THE MORAY RADIANT ENERGY DEVICE > >In the early 1900's, Dr. T. Henry Moray of Salt Lake City http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The bill to terminate the Internal Revenue Code onDecember31, 2004
Why change a perfectly good tax code. Go to http://www.PayNoIncomeTax.com and find out the truth. The present Tax Code imposes no taxes now, why change it to something that will. Bard wrote: > NOT GOOD ENOUGH!! > It has to be effective JANUARY 1ST, 2001. > Re-submit the Bill with the Date change. > > Liberty is Personal Responsibility! > Personal Responsibility is Liberty! > > B. A. T. F. > Bad Attitude Towards Freedom > > Drug Dependency = Dependency on government programs! > > The Lesser of Two Evils is Still EVIL! > > Bard > Pro Libertate - For Freedom > BUCHANAN-Reform > http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm > > I will not be stampeded into voting > for the lesser of the two evils > representing the two wings of the > same bird of prey, named > The Peoples National Socialist Democratic Republican Party. > > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Aiken Lancaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "_Comments Fox News" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "_20/20 ABC NEWS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "CNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "ChristianPatriot" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Chris Jackson at WBAP Radio-Network/s" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Carl Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "_Fox News" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 2:05 PM > Subject: Fw: The bill to terminate the Internal Revenue Code on December 31, > 2004 > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Mike Vallone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Dan Meador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 8:51 AM > > Subject: The bill to terminate the Internal Revenue Code on December 31, > > 2004 > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > As I told you when I was out there. A Bill - H.R. 4199 - has been in > > > congress since earlier this year. It terminates the Code as of > > 12/31/2004. > > > It passed the House on April 14, 2000 and is now in committee in the > > Senate. > > > You can track the bill using the THOMAS website, which is www.thomas.gov > > > > > > I have included below, both the bill and its legislative history. > > > > > > Mike Vallone > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > or > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > H.R.4199 > > > Sponsor: Rep Largent, Steve (introduced 4/6/2000) > > > Related Bills: H.RES.473 > > > Latest Major Action: 4/13/2000 Passed House > > > Title: To terminate the Internal Revenue Code of 1986. > > > > > > STATUS: > > > 4/6/2000: > > > Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means. > > > 4/12/2000 4:41pm: > > > Rules Committee Resolution H. Res. 473 Reported to House. Rule provides > > for > > > consideration of H.R. 4199 with 1 hour of general debate. Previous > > question > > > shall be considered as ordered without intervening motions except motion > > to > > > recommit with or without instructions. Provides that the text of H.R. > 4230 > > > be considered as adopted. Measure will be considered read. Bill is > closed > > to > > > amendments. > > > 4/13/2000 2:36pm: > > > Rule H. Res. 473 passed House. > > > 4/13/2000 2:37pm: > > > Considered under the provisions of rule H. Res. 473. (consideration: CR > > > H2267-H2282) > > > 4/13/2000 3:50pm: > > > The previous question was ordered pursuant to the rule. > > > 4/13/2000 3:51pm: > > > Mr. Rangel moved to recommit with instructions to Ways and Means. > > > 4/13/2000 4:09pm: > > > The previous question on the motion to recommit with instructions was > > > ordered without objection. > > > 4/13/2000 4:30pm: > > > On motion to recommit with instructions Failed by the Yeas and Nays: > 191 - > > > 228 (Roll no. 126). (text: CR H2283-2289) > > > 4/13/2000 4:38pm: > > > On passage Passed by the Yeas and Nays: 229 - 187 (Roll no. 127). (text: > > CR > > > H2267-2268) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 106th CONGRESS > > > 2d Session > > > H. R. 4199 > > > AN ACT > > > To terminate the Internal Revenue Code of 1986. > > > HR 4199 EH > > > 106th CONGRESS > > > 2d Session > > > H. R. 4199 > > > > > > AN ACT > > > To terminate the Internal Revenue Code of 1986. > > > Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United > > > States of America in Congress assembled, > > > SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. > > > This Act may be cited as the `Date Certain Tax Code Replacement Act'. > > > SEC. 2. PURPOSE. > > > The purpose of this Act is to set a date certain for replacing the > > Internal > > > Revenue Code of 1986 with a simple and fair alternative. > > > SEC. 3. TERMINATION OF INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986. > > > (a) IN GENERAL- No tax shall be imposed by the Internal Revenue Code of > > > 1986-- > > > (1) for any taxable year beginning after December 31, 2004; and > > > (2) in the case of any tax not imposed on the basis of a taxable year, > on > > > any taxable event or for any period after December 31, 2004. > > > (b) EXCEPTION- Subsection (a) shall not apply to taxes imposed by-- > > > (1) chapter 2 of such Code (relating to tax on self-employment income); > > > (2) chapter
[CTRL] Dorothy Proctor vs CSC LSD ECT experiments 1961-2
scharged its obligations pursuant to the rules and that the Deputy Attorney General or whichever party prepares the list as swears to the accuracy of the list as required by the rules. Should the court not be correct in its interpretation of that regulation, the court nevertheless relies on its power pursuant to Rule l.05: "...to impose such terms and give such directions as are just..." Conclusions: The court canot help but express its dismay at the lack of production made by this defendant notwithstanding the history of the proceedings that have taken place with respect to the matters in issue. This plaintiff was able, on her own, to attend at the National Archives and obtain a copy of a highly relevant document, one which the defendants claimed to have no knowledge of and that the CSC's dedicated team of researchers was unable to find. It is hard, under the circumstances, to resist the conclusion, that the CSC's refusal to disclose these documents is not a result of a deliberate attempt to delay these proceedings and to discourage this elderly, impecunious plaintiff from proceeding further. Ms. Wall, to her credit, accepts responsibility for the final document that was produced. Nevertheless, the court cannot avoid a consideration of the comments of others with regard to the CSC and production of records. The CSC's Board of Investigation report dated January 8, 1998 stated (at p.25): "We conclude that the access to administrative and inmate files has been unsatisfactory. The time elapsed is lengthy and some inmate files may be unavailable because the inmates have passed their 70th birthdays or been granted pardons. Nevertheless, it is discouraging that two thirds of the inmate files requested are not available. The inability to obtain relevant administrative files and most inmate files make it impossible to provide a full account of the use of LSD or ECT at the Prison for Women." The McGill Centre's report dated September 19, 1998 stated (at p. 162-63): "Our review of the use of LSD and of ECT and the Prison for Women before 1962 has been severely limited by the unavailability of a range of information and documentation regarding the use of LSD and ECT at the Prison for Women and uncertainty about other information and documentation. This was also a serious problem for the Board of Investigation ... The missing information includes a lack of docomentation of the process whereby inmates were informed about the researchuse of LSD and consented to be research subjects, as well as information and documentation on the use of electroconvulsive therapy at the Prison for Women, in particular the treatment of Ms. Proctor." The court was also referred by Mr. Newland to the comments of Madame Justice Arbour when she conducted her own inquiry at the Kingston Prison for Women, albeit on a different issue. In her report at pages 171 to 172, she commented: "I recognize that the task of document production to this Commission was a considerable and difficult task and that some individuals worked very hard to assist in the timely discharge of this obligation. However, the Correctional Service does not appear to have an effective system for locating and retrieving relevant documents. This is particularly disturbing given the amount of effort which goes into the creatiion of a mass of documentation which, if it cannot be adequately retrieved, is of little value. The identification and production of relevant documents is an activity which any organization involved in civil litigation is required to discharge in a more effective and timely fashion than the Correctional Service, a pillar of the criminal justice system, managed to achieve in the context of this federal inquiry. Even if there was no system in place at the time to facilitate the task of document production, steps should have been taken at the senior levels of the Correctional Service to ensure that enough appropriate people were involved in the production process, that guidance was sought and given about the concept of relevance and that the legal duty of production was discharged in a manner consistent with the known timeframe within which the Commission had to operate." These comments appear to hold true in this particular instance. Notwithstanding the requirements of our rules and the orders made by this court to properly disclose relevant documents, this defendant has chosen to take an unreasonably myopic view of the requirements of documentary disclosure. Although the court is tempted to strike the defendants statement of defence, it will not do so. It will however require the defendant to compensate the plaintiff for her costs thrown away to date as well as the costs of their co-defendant, Mr. Scott, whose counsel has brought a motion seeking identical relief. Mr. Scott is now some 84 years of age. He's been examined for 3 days. As is now deposed before the court, much of t
[CTRL] Test/inquirey
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-Caveat Lector- Subject: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:21:43 -0500 From: "Elson E. Boles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: USAO To: WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please read the following and pass it on. When forwarding it, do not simply hit the "forward" option in your email program. Kindly cut and paste it onto a new message so that the format is not interrupted. Thanks! I have received several of these but NONE explaining the whole truth. I am usually passive but feel we should all get involved. After you copy and paste you can add your name.. Please take the time to do this it seems a small thing but like a mustard seed it can produce good results.. Thanks --- Please spare a moment to read. Thanks. The government of Afghanistan is waging a war upon women. The situation is getting so bad that one person in an editorial of the Times compared It to pre-Holocaust Poland. Since the Taliban took power in 1996, women have had to wear burqua And have been beaten and stoned in public for not having the proper attire, even if this means simply not having the mesh covering in front of their eyes. One woman was beaten to DEATH by an angry mob of fundamentalists for accidentally exposing her arm while she was driving. Another was stoned to death for trying to leave the country with a man that was not a relative. Women are not allowed to work or even go out in public without a Male relative; professional women such as professors, translators, doctors, lawyers, artists and writers have been forced from their jobs and stuffed into their homes, so that depression is becoming so widespread that it has reached emergency levels. Suicide has increased significantly. Homes where a woman is present Must have their windows painted so that she can never be seen by outsiders. They must wear silent shoes so that they are never heard. Women live in fear of their lives for the slightest misbehavior. Because they cannot work, those without male relatives or husbands are either starving to death or begging on the street, even if they hold Ph.D.'s. There are almost no medical facilities available for women, and Relief workers, in protest, have mostly left the country, taking Medicine and psychologists and other things necessary to treat the sky-rocketing level of depression among women. At one of the rare hospitals for women, a reporter found still, nearly lifeless bodies lying motionless on top of beds, wrapped in their burqua, unwilling to speak, eat, or do anything, but slowly wasting away. Others have gone mad and were seen crouched in corners, perpetually rocking or crying, most of them in fear. One doctor is considering, when what little medication that is left finally runs out, leaving these, women in front of the president's residence as a form of peaceful protest. It is at the point where the term 'human rights violations' has become an understatement. Husbands have the power of life and death over their women relatives, especially their wives, but an angry mob has just as much right to stone or beat a woman, often to death, for exposing an inch of flesh or offending them in the slightest way. David Cornwell has said that those in the West should not judge the Afghan people for such treatment because it is a 'cultural thing', but this is not even true. Women enjoyed relative freedom, to work, dress generally as they wanted, and drive and appear in public alone until only 1996. The rapidity of this transition is the main reason for the depression and suicide; women who were once educators or doctors or simply used to basic human freedoms are now severely restricted and treated as sub-human in the name of right-wing fundamentalist Islam. Everyone has a right to a tolerable human existence. STATEMENT: In signing this, we agree that the current treatment of women in Afghanistan is completely UNACCEPTABLE and deserves support and action by the people of the United Nations and that the current situation in Afghanistan will not be tolerated. Women's Rights is not a small issue anywhere and it is UNACCEPTABLE for women in 1999 to be treated as sub-human and so much as property. Equality and human decency is a RIGHT not a freedom, whether one lives in Afghanistan or anywhere else. Please sign to support, and include your town and country. 1 Carlo Heip, Yerseke, The Netherlands 2. Anneliese Ernst, Yerseke, The Netherlands 3. Erika Oberer-Bley, Konstanz, Germany 4. Bernd Bukau, Freiburg, Germany 5. Martina Buettner, Heidelberg, Germany 6. Oliver Gruss, Heidelberg, Germany 7.Christine Vagner,Toulouse,France 8. Jean-Charles Faye, Toulouse, France 9. Beatrix Bugler, Toulouse, France 10. Malika Pares, Toulouse, France 11. Emmanuel Courcelle, Tou
