Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I can't prove to anyone via the internet that I even exist. I can't PROVE here that I am real or human. I MIGHT be a computer software program designed to mimic a human. Indeed. As might I. But then, that's half the fun in here, isn't it? But it gets worse. It's one thing for a Turing level AI to spoof us mere mortals. And that may well be happening here. What better place to test a thing like that than on a bunch of conspiracy buffs? But it's just as likely there are two, three or many Turing level AIs in here, all trying to spoof each other. Could you spot them? I doubt I could. After all, I'm only human, right? Or am I? Maybe I'm a literary creation, a character in a vast psychodrama psy-op in to which you have wandered (or been led). Maybe we all are. How do you know any at all of us exist? You think this list is read by many people, but it's entirely possible that you are the sole and only one and all of the so-called people in here are literary creations. In that case who, or what, is trying to do what exactly with your head? Are you being experimented upon or merely manipulated? It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Why you? what makes you so special as to warrant such a complicated and involved plot to ensnare you attention? What is it about you the we know and you don't that makes this elaborate charade worth the effort? We'll never tell. It's for us to know and you to find out. We can hint though. The secret is in a book, and it's not Catcher in the Rye, either. It's The Magus by John Fowles. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
In a message dated 6/1/00 1:25:30 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You think this list is read by many people, but it's entirely possible that you are the sole and only one and all of the so-called people in here are literary creations. In that case who, or what, is trying to do what exactly with your head? Are you being experimented upon or merely manipulated? It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Why you? what makes you so special as to warrant such a complicated and involved plot to ensnare you attention? What is it about you the we know and you don't that makes this elaborate charade worth the effort? We'll never tell. It's for us to know and you to find out. nessie, you're pretty weird. S A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: nessie, you're pretty weird. I'm not weird. I'm just drawn that way. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
-Original Message- From: Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 1 June 2000 12:26 Subject: Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs? There is no double standard. We would expect the same standard of evidence from someone making a post claiming to know 'for a fact' that the U.N. is behind the mysterious contrail spraying. Or that Arab terrorists are involved. Or space aliens from Alpha Centauri. I think what you are expecting for a fact here June is for someone to hand you personally a souvenir from one of the space aliens and for you to get it analysed in a lab. We who post Et info here are not trying to convert you, I think it is for the benefit of those who already know what is going on with Ets and wish to further their knowledge. If you can't include it in a conspiracy theory, then you need to look further yourself. There is said to be about 13,000 Ets just under Dulce alone. A few Et posts here and there aren't going to show you the overall situation. You need info from ex military insiders and there is more than enough of that about. Try putting Branton through search and getting your own information. He was a CIA agent and liason officer to the Ets. He knows Dulce very well. It would be pretty tiring if everyone who didn't understand something had to have to more proof presented each time someone didn't get it.. I can just suggest keep reading what does get posted and learn, just like everyone else does. See how it fits into the bigger picture. There is more than enough evidence of people being implanted - there are X rays and implants have been removed and analyzed. One dosen't need to think believing in Ets is a religion just to learn implants are being put into a large per cent of the population and that they couldn't be from this earth. You ET-true-believers are doing nothing but proselytizing a new religion... expecting us to go on nothing but faith, and labeling all who question your dogma as heretics. This is a very generalised evaluation of Ets coming here. Nobody is expecting you personally to go on nothing but faith. I am a Christian. We who post them are not posting info especially for you. Just as you are not posting info especially for me. There are not that many ET posts anyway. I guess you want proof of underground Et bases too? I have sent plenty of that already. If you have deleted them without reading thinking they are protelytizing a new religion, then you can't complain that factual evidence has been presented. You missed it. Nicky A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
From: "tenebroust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is absolutely NOTHING within any of the information posted as "evidence" for aliens that proves that there are aliens. The best it does is give good evidence for the existence of UFO's and the fact that they are damned mysterious and MIGHT have an extraterrestrial origin. There is NOTHING, not one JOT of evidence for the existence of aliens. I don't think anyone is denying the reality of UFO's themselves, and that is all that this information provides evidence for. Exactly. There's something damned strange going on in our skies (and often beneath our seas and lakes), which seemingly has been going on for decades, if not centuries But what the EXACT NATURE of such phenomenon IS, remains to be proveneverything else is just speculation June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is like trying to spar with a shapeshifter. I claim there is evidence to support this theory and am told I haven't provided any. I provide some and am told I haven't PROVEN anything. I don't have PROOF, only evidence! You don't even have evidence. You have OPINION, sifted through your own opinion, which you then present to us with the label of 'evidence'...when in fact it is nothing except subjective opinion. I say there is evidence that points to the theory of the ET origin of UFOs and I am told "NO, 'The best it does is give good evidence for the existence of UFO's and the fact that they are damned mysterious and MIGHT have an extraterrestrial origin'" - which is ALL I HAVE BEEN SAYING IN THE FIRST PLACE. No you haven't. You have been arguing that UFOs are nothing BUT ET in origin. What the rest of us have been pointing out is that there is no EVIDENCE for an ET claim, and that other explanations may be at the root of the phenomenon... I BELIEVE, in my personal OPINION that the evidence does more than suggest UFOs MIGHT have an ET origin. I BELIEVE the evidence suggests UFOs DO have an ET origin. And we are pointing out that your BELIEF SYSTEM is coloring your judgement, because in fact nothing you have presented leads to an ET-as-the-sole- cause answer I can't prove to anyone via the internet that I even exist. I can't PROVE here that I am real or human. I MIGHT be a computer software program designed to mimic a human. I KNOW I cannot prove the ET origin of UFOs. I can provide evidence to suggest it and use my logic and information to argue in support of my THEORIES but that is all I can do. And that is fine, as long as you keep it constantly in mind that what you are arguing for is only a THEORY, and not necessarily the one-and-only 'answer'... Quit putting words in my mouth. I am very clear on this, and have been. The words of a 'true believer'...and your previous words to the contrary, show that you in fact BELIEVE in your THEORY as FACT, and anyone who disagrees with your dogma is a heretic... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: There is said to be about 13,000 Ets just under Dulce alone. A few Et posts here and there aren't going to show you the overall situation. You need info from ex military insiders and there is more than enough of that about. Try putting Branton through search and getting your own information. He was a CIA agent and liason officer to the Ets. He knows Dulce very well. If we ever hope to learn the truth about anything whatsoever, we must first learn to studiously avoid taking "ex" CIA men at their word. Check their sources. If this guy is telling the truth he will make his sources available. McGehee does. See how it fits into the bigger picture. There is more than enough evidence of people being implanted - there are X rays and implants have been removed and analyzed. So? How does this prove that ETs did it? We know for sure and certain fact that implants of terrestrial origan can be purchased on the open market. See US Patent 5,629,678. See: http://www.electronicidinc.com/ One dosen't need to think believing in Ets is a religion just to learn implants are being put into a large per cent of the population What percent, exactly, and how do you know this? and that they couldn't be from this earth. Balderdash. See above. Nobody is expecting you personally to go on nothing but faith. I am a Christian. You are, by your own admission, a person of faith. This means that, by definition, you are willing to believe things which cannot be proven. This is not just true of Christians, but of all persons of faith, any faith. This is the very definition of faith. It seems to me, that you are applying this very mindset to ET contact. A clergy man told you there was a supernatural being that created the world and cares about what you do in it. You believed him. An "ex" spook told you that there were ETs ensconced under Dulce. You believed him. What's the difference? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
In a message dated 6/1/00 7:29:30 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's something damned strange going on in our skies (and often beneath our seas and lakes), which seemingly has been going on for decades, if not centuries But what the EXACT NATURE of such phenomenon IS, remains to be proveneverything else is just speculation I agree that the exact nature remains to be proven. I disagree that everything else is speculation. The exact nature of a lot of things remains to be proven - in medicine, biology, botany, archeology, politics, law, etc etc ad infinitum. We go on the info we have and try to get more. We refine our theories based on new info. We work with what we have. We don't hide under our blankets until someone proves everything to an absolute and alerts us that everything is wrapped up in a nice and neat package. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: nessie, you're pretty weird. I'm not weird. I'm just drawn that way. Pretty obscure, but I get it. Does anyone else? J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
In a message dated 6/1/00 4:52:17 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pretty obscure, but I get it. Does anyone else? Roger Rabbit A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
Samantha: I don't put words in your mouth you do well enough yourself. Your contention all along has been that there is evidence which proves that UFO's are of ET origin, not that there is evidence which MIGHT be proof of that, but that the evidence is proof that UFO's are of ET origin. I have admitted all along that alien origin of SOME UFO's is a possibility. You entertain no such equivocation, to you there is no possibility that you are wrong, especially when there is no evidence for the reality or existence of aliens PERIOD, let alone their coming to earth. I am not the arbiter of all knowledge you can disagree with me and we don't even have to dislike each other afterwards, thus I could be wrong, but my position is much more tenable than yours since there is no proof of aliens piloting UFO's, the agnostic position is the best one can have, and that is where I stand. I could be wrong, but since you cannot possibly be wrong then there is no point even carrying on this thread any more because you KNOW that aliens are real and that they pilot UFO's. Since you know it and can't be wrong, what can I do in the face of your supreme belief? On Wed, 31 May 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: In a message dated 5/31/00 11:13:07 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is absolutely NOTHING within any of the information posted as " evidence" for aliens that proves that there are aliens. The best it does is give good evidence for the existence of UFO's and the fact that they are damned mysterious and MIGHT have an extraterrestrial origin. There is NOTHING, not one JOT of evidence for the existence of aliens. I don't think anyone is denying the reality of UFO's themselves, and that is all that this information provides evidence for. Your third sentence contradicts your second sentence. Ok? Reread it. There is a JOT of evidence for the ET origin of UFOs, but is does not PROVE the ET origin of UFOs. Evidence is not proof, evidence is suggestive. None of what I have posted does anything more than suggest the possibility that the UFOs are of extraterrestrial origin. Nothing claims to prove it that I have posted. I HAVE NEVER claimed this was proof, only EVIDENCE. This is like trying to spar with a shapeshifter. I claim there is evidence to support this theory and am told I haven't provided any. I provide some and am told I haven't PROVEN anything. I don't have PROOF, only evidence! I say there is evidence that points to the theory of the ET origin of UFOs and I am told "NO, 'The best it does is give good evidence for the existence of UFO's and the fact that they are damned mysterious and MIGHT have an extraterrestrial origin'" - which is ALL I HAVE BEEN SAYING IN THE FIRST PLACE. I BELIEVE, in my personal OPINION that the evidence does more than suggest UFOs MIGHT have an ET origin. I BELIEVE the evidence suggests UFOs DO have an ET origin. I can't prove to anyone via the internet that I even exist. I can't PROVE here that I am real or human. I MIGHT be a computer software program designed to mimic a human. I KNOW I cannot prove the ET origin of UFOs. I can provide evidence to suggest it and use my logic and information to argue in support of my THEORIES but that is all I can do. Quit putting words in my mouth. I am very clear on this, and have been. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
From: "Nicky Molloy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think what you are expecting for a fact here June is for someone to hand you personally a souvenir from one of the space aliens and for you to get it analysed in a lab. No, what I am expecting is for you and the other 'true believers' to drop your dogma, and realize that without such a 'souvenir' other explanations are just as plausible, or implausible, as the ET hypothesis... We who post Et info here are not trying to convert you, I think it is for the benefit of those who already know what is going on with Ets and wish to further their knowledge. The problem is, you have already decided ETs are the one and only answer, and refuse to consider other possibilities... If you can't include it in a conspiracy theory, then you need to look further yourself. There is said to be about 13,000 Ets just under Dulce alone. Said by whom? And how do you know that whomever is providing you this information isn't in fact part of a disinformation campaign? Have you actually SEEN these supposed 13 thousand ETs under Dulce? military insiders and there is more than enough of that about. Try putting Branton through search and getting your own information. He was a CIA agent and liason officer to the Ets. He knows Dulce very well. Have you seen this guy's credentials, to verify that he indeed worked for the CIA (may be hard, because those guys don't usually go around advertising their association)...and even if his claims of being a CIA agent are legit, why do you take what he claims at face value? There is just as much probability that he is part of some disinformation campaign... I could tell you that I am also a CIA agent and liason officer who knows Dulce very well, and can tell you that there are absolutely NO ETs at Dulce. Would my claim be 'true'? How would you know? It would be pretty tiring if everyone who didn't understand something had to have to more proof presented each time someone didn't get it.. I can just suggest keep reading what does get posted and learn, just like everyone else does. See how it fits into the bigger picture. There is more than enough evidence of people being implanted - there are X rays and implants have been removed and analyzed. One dosen't need to think believing in Ets is a religion just to learn implants are being put into a large per cent of the population and that they couldn't be from this earth. But what EVIDENCE is there that the supposed implants are ET in origin? None. Any number of more earthly agencies could just as well be involved...and seem the more likely answer This is a very generalised evaluation of Ets coming here. That very statement proves my point. You have not one shred of EVIDENCE to support an ET claim as the basis for any of the phenomenon, and yet you believe that ETs are in fact 'coming here'... I guess you want proof of underground Et bases too? Yes. Anything less is just opinion and belief, a subjective interpretation of limited data. ETs are only one of many possibilities, not the only one. I have sent plenty of that already. If you have deleted them without reading thinking they are protelytizing a new religion, then you can't complain that factual evidence has been presented. You missed it. No, I didn't. What I read was subjective opinion of opinion, and not one iota of objective evidence... June Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree that the exact nature remains to be proven. I disagree that everything else is speculation. The exact nature of a lot of things remains to be proven - in medicine, biology, botany, archeology, politics, law, etc etc ad infinitum Yes, and until something in medicine, biology, botany, archeology, politics, law, etc etc [sic] is proven, it is purely THEORETICAL. June Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not weird. I'm just drawn that way. Pretty obscure, but I get it. Does anyone else? Yep. It's a twist on the famous line Jessica Rabbit says in the "Roger Rabbit" movie... "I'm not bad...I'm just drawn that way..." June (also 'just drawn that way'...) ;-) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] That ET-skeptical conspiracy buffs feel they have the right to call others "kooks" "nuts" "whiners" on Internet lists because they espouse the ET hypothesis. Which of us said those things? Not me. Nor I. What I HAVE said is that I demand EVIDENCE for the allegations that have been espoused. So far, we've only been given articles espousing someone's opinion, no evidence... Evidence from metallic parts left by a UFO, whose crystalline structure has been shown to be different from any substance on Earth. Let's see some. Let's also see some proof it's different from any substance known on earth. Let's also see an explanation of why being different from any substance on earth makes it ET and not simply a newly invented substance. Let's see evidence of the supposed EXISTENCE of 'metallic parts left by a UFO', and let us also see evidence of the actual study, including the written report resulting from the study. Evidence of the evidence, as it were... I could make the following statement: "Evidence that an extraterrestial sat down with President Eisenhower and discussed golf while eating donuts, drinking coffee, and smoking a cigar, shows that extraterrestials have physiologies similar to humans..." I could MAKE that statement...but in fact, no such EVIDENCE exists Speaking of evidence, there is also LEGAL EVIDENCE. Citizen's Against UFO Secrecy is pursuing a very suggestive legal case in US Federal court re: UFOs. They have won some legal victories. Indeed. But they have not proved that UFOs are of ET origin. Yes, all the court case perhaps shows is that there MAY have been a coverup. It doesn't tell us the exact nature of what may have been covered up... Bottom line: Where's the ET? I want to meet him. I want to buy the guy a drink and see if I can hire on to his crew. I want off this rock. I'm perfectly willing to swab decks if it means they'll take me along. I could cook Earth food for them. Watch out, Nessie...you may BE 'Earth food' for them...sort of a 'Chinese take-out' on a global scale... Remember the Twilight Zone episode, "How to Serve Man"? ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
In a message dated 5/31/00 8:10:23 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nor I. What I HAVE said is that I demand EVIDENCE for the allegations that have been espoused. Demand away. I, for one, intend to post items that may be of interest to others. So far, we've only been given articles espousing someone's opinion, no evidence... Let's see, we've got transcriptions of 911 tapes, FAA witnesses, pilot accounts, a Boston Globe article on the French scientists' and military experts' reports, statements from NAMED Belgian military personnel, the report of magnetic and geological surveys from a geologist/paleobotanist, local police and Coast Guard on-the-scene transcriptions of their conversations as they tracked mysterious objects, and a report on the conclusions of a two year study from the British Civilian viation Authority. And those are things that have been posted just in the last two days. Keep saying that often enough and maybe someone will believe you. That YOU classify these as "articles espousing someone's opinion, no evidence..." then that opinion reflects on YOU and not on the quality of information given. Unless I'm missing some essential clue about internet technology, the written word is all that can be shared here. That none of it meets your standards for valid information or evidence just means that nothing written could. Why do you bother being on a list where, by definition, nothing but the written word can be exchanged? Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: the report of magnetic and geological surveys from a geologist/paleobotanist, Let's hear about this. This sounds interesting. The rest of that stuff can all be explained by terrestrial craft. That doesn't mean it was terrestrial craft. But it sure doesn't mean that it wasn't. Unless I'm missing some essential clue about internet technology, the written word is all that can be shared here. Like I said, tell me where I may go to see the physical evicence and i will do so. In the meantime let me point ot some pictures that raise very interesting questions. I have only seen the pictures and cannot attest to the story that comes with them. For all I know, they're fake. But they are intriguing. Take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.eskimo.com/~pierres/coso/cosopreview.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
In a message dated 5/31/00 11:02:56 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: the report of magnetic and geological surveys from a geologist/paleobotanist, Let's hear about this. This sounds interesting. Okay. I sent a post about Bruce Cornet, the paleobotanist/geologist who gave a statement to Harvard in support of John Mack M.D.'s research. He summarized his findings in the statement, and his summary was included in my post. For full reports by Dr. Cornet... First stop: http://members.xoom.com/cornetbr1/experiment.htm two sentences taken from his conclusion: "The data presented above strongly implicates a technology capable of projecting a highly controlled beam of energy containing an image to a specific target. This technology appears to be far advanced beyond anything humans have invented to date." Second stop: http://www.monmouth.com/~bcornet/plasma.htm Evidence for Plasma Light Sources by Bruce Cornet, Ph.D. Table of Contents Ionization and Quantum Light Processes Infra Red Evidence Plasma Orb Evidence You can take it from there. Unless I'm missing some essential clue about internet technology, the written word is all that can be shared here. Like I said, tell me where I may go to see the physical evicence and i will do so. I don't recall list rules mentioning that we are obliged to track down original sources of information and their physical location in order to enjoy the privilege of posting articles here. The standards expected of list members who DARE post articles about unidentified flying objects or their possible origins exceeds the standards required of list members who post anything else on this list. Why is that? However, Bruce Cornet does have an email address. If you ask nicely, I might provide it. I think you can figure out for yourself how to travel to Belgium to view their radar tapes, or to go to France to read a hard copy of the COMETA report. In the meantime let me point ot some pictures that raise very interesting questions. I have only seen the pictures and cannot attest to the story that comes with them. For all I know, they're fake. But they are intriguing. Take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.eskimo.com/~pierres/coso/cosopreview.html It IS interesting. It reminds me of "Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race" by Cremo and Thompson. Here's an interesting quote from the forward to the abridged edition of "Forbidden Archeology": http://www.mcremo.com/hidden.html "Anomalous and out-of-place discoveries reported by Cremo and Thompson in The Hidden History of the Human Race include convincing evidence that anatomically modern humans may have been present on the Earth not just for 100,000 years or less (the orthodox view), but for millions of years, and that metal objects of advanced design may have been in use at equally early periods. Moreover, although sensational claims have been made before about out-of-place artifacts, they have never been supported by such overwhelming and utterly convincing documentation as Cremo and Thompson provide." Graham Hancock Author of "Fingerprints of the Gods" Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why do you bother being on a list where, by definition, nothing but the written word can be exchanged? I, unlike you, have been on this list for years. Almost from its very inception. I joined, and remained, because until recently the majority of postings adhered to rules of evidence, and personal opinion given forth as 'fact' was not allowed. When someone offered an opinion, it was labeled as such. Now we have people like you offering unsubstantiated articles written by others as your claim of 'evidence', when all they are are hearsay, filtered through subjective opinion. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't recall list rules mentioning that we are obliged to track down original sources of information and their physical location in order to enjoy the privilege of posting articles here. The standards expected of list members who DARE post articles about unidentified flying objects or their possible origins exceeds the standards required of list members who post anything else on this list. Why is that? There is no double standard. We would expect the same standard of evidence from someone making a post claiming to know 'for a fact' that the U.N. is behind the mysterious contrail spraying. Or that Arab terrorists are involved. Or space aliens from Alpha Centauri. Originally the moderators were more strick in what was allowed on this list. Unfortunately the calibre has slipped quite a bit in recent years. It's still better than lists like SNET, which really slid into the toilet. However, Bruce Cornet does have an email address. If you ask nicely, I might provide it. I think you can figure out for yourself how to travel to Belgium to view their radar tapes, or to go to France to read a hard copy of the COMETA report. That's not OUR job, but yours. YOU are the one offering an opinion, for which you aren't willing to do the necessary work to back up. You have a perfect right to accept any manner of extraordinary claims at face value. The rest of us don't. I am perfectly willing to accept any manner of extraordinary claims...but not at face value. Give me hard evidence and documentation. You ET-true-believers are doing nothing but proselytizing a new religion... expecting us to go on nothing but faith, and labeling all who question your dogma as heretics. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
There is absolutely NOTHING within any of the information posted as "evidence" for aliens that proves that there are aliens. The best it does is give good evidence for the existence of UFO's and the fact that they are damned mysterious and MIGHT have an extraterrestrial origin. There is NOTHING, not one JOT of evidence for the existence of aliens. I don't think anyone is denying the reality of UFO's themselves, and that is all that this information provides evidence for. On Wed, 31 May 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: In a message dated 5/31/00 8:10:23 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nor I. What I HAVE said is that I demand EVIDENCE for the allegations that have been espoused. Demand away. I, for one, intend to post items that may be of interest to others. So far, we've only been given articles espousing someone's opinion, no evidence... Let's see, we've got transcriptions of 911 tapes, FAA witnesses, pilot accounts, a Boston Globe article on the French scientists' and military experts' reports, statements from NAMED Belgian military personnel, the report of magnetic and geological surveys from a geologist/paleobotanist, local police and Coast Guard on-the-scene transcriptions of their conversations as they tracked mysterious objects, and a report on the conclusions of a two year study from the British Civilian viation Authority. And those are things that have been posted just in the last two days. Keep saying that often enough and maybe someone will believe you. That YOU classify these as "articles espousing someone's opinion, no evidence..." then that opinion reflects on YOU and not on the quality of information given. Unless I'm missing some essential clue about internet technology, the written word is all that can be shared here. That none of it meets your standards for valid information or evidence just means that nothing written could. Why do you bother being on a list where, by definition, nothing but the written word can be exchanged? Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
In a message dated 5/31/00 11:13:07 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is absolutely NOTHING within any of the information posted as " evidence" for aliens that proves that there are aliens. The best it does is give good evidence for the existence of UFO's and the fact that they are damned mysterious and MIGHT have an extraterrestrial origin. There is NOTHING, not one JOT of evidence for the existence of aliens. I don't think anyone is denying the reality of UFO's themselves, and that is all that this information provides evidence for. Your third sentence contradicts your second sentence. Ok? Reread it. There is a JOT of evidence for the ET origin of UFOs, but is does not PROVE the ET origin of UFOs. Evidence is not proof, evidence is suggestive. None of what I have posted does anything more than suggest the possibility that the UFOs are of extraterrestrial origin. Nothing claims to prove it that I have posted. I HAVE NEVER claimed this was proof, only EVIDENCE. This is like trying to spar with a shapeshifter. I claim there is evidence to support this theory and am told I haven't provided any. I provide some and am told I haven't PROVEN anything. I don't have PROOF, only evidence! I say there is evidence that points to the theory of the ET origin of UFOs and I am told "NO, 'The best it does is give good evidence for the existence of UFO's and the fact that they are damned mysterious and MIGHT have an extraterrestrial origin'" - which is ALL I HAVE BEEN SAYING IN THE FIRST PLACE. I BELIEVE, in my personal OPINION that the evidence does more than suggest UFOs MIGHT have an ET origin. I BELIEVE the evidence suggests UFOs DO have an ET origin. I can't prove to anyone via the internet that I even exist. I can't PROVE here that I am real or human. I MIGHT be a computer software program designed to mimic a human. I KNOW I cannot prove the ET origin of UFOs. I can provide evidence to suggest it and use my logic and information to argue in support of my THEORIES but that is all I can do. Quit putting words in my mouth. I am very clear on this, and have been. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: That ET-skeptical conspiracy buffs feel they have the right to call others "kooks" "nuts" "whiners" on Internet lists because they espouse the ET hypothesis. Which of us said those things? Not me. Evidence from metallic parts left by a UFO, whose crystalline structure has been shown to be different from any substance on Earth. Let's see some. Let's also see some proof it's different from any substance known on earth. Let's also see an explanation of why being different from any substance on earth makes it ET and not simply a newly invented substance. It has been amazing to watch that not one of the ET-skeptical comments on this thread has asked: what about the conspiracy to cover-up UFOs. AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CONSPIRACY LIST! OK, let's talk about it. I feel the most likely explanation is that there is no such thing as a " conspiracy to cover-up UFOs." I think that what appears to be a "conspiracy to cover-up UFOs" is actually a disinformation campaign aimed at convincing people that UFOs are of ET origin, by employing reverse psychology. Why this is not the most likely explanation? Speaking of evidence, there is also LEGAL EVIDENCE. Citizen's Against UFO Secrecy is pursuing a very suggestive legal case in US Federal court re: UFOs. They have won some legal victories. Indeed. But they have not proved that UFOs are of ET origin. Besides, as someone who was once personally framed for something I didn't do, and who squirmed out of it by pleading guilty to something else I didn't do either, I don't have a whole lot of faith in the legal system. Citing it as a source doesn't carry a whole lot of weight with me. Court is a business. It's all about money. If you don't believe me, go get busted and find out for yourself. Bottom line: Where's the ET? I want to meet him. I want to buy the guy a drink and see if I can hire on to his crew. I want off this rock. I'm perfectly willing to swab decks if it means they'll take me along. I could cook Earth food for them. I'm a pretty good cook, even if I do say so myself. Better still, I could entertain them with my vast repertoire of Earth stories. All they gotta do is feed me and give me a place to sack out when I'm tired. If they're willing to throw in some beads, I'll sell 'em Manhattan. I like beads. But I gotta talk to one of these guys first, preferably an officer, or I'll never get hired. Where is he? Take me to him. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?
Thanks for your methodological rant. I think you covered many, but not all of the bases. Now you want us to carry out a course on UFOlogy on CTRL. Hey, I'll go for it - the conspiracy to hide the ET presence is pervasive, global, and most deeply affects the human welfare. Therefore it is a proper subject for CTRL. Understand that this is a breakthrough in itself. That ET-skeptical conspiracy buffs feel they have the right to call others "kooks" "nuts" "whiners" on Internet lists because they espouse the ET hypothesis. NO MORE. The day of dissing the ET presence is no more. Before we start on an examination of the ET hypothesis, as well as some of the published and unpublished alternatives to verified UFO sightings, (eg not able to be explained within normal parameters) such as: UFOs may be 1. Black project military "mimic" craft or projections 2. Virtual projections of the human subconscious or some advanced human intelligence 3. Craft or virtual projections of an extraterrestrial intelligence 4. Virtual projections of a "Mega-intelligence" that is programming Earth 5. Other_ How are we going to eliminate the HYSTERIA in this thread? Ground Rule: NO HYSTERIA OR FLAMES. Ground Rule #2: UFOlogy takes patience. Thanks. Alfred Webre Vancouver, BC _ http://www.universebooks.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
