date:20110611

On Mi, 08 iun 11, 07:52:00, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> I've unsubscribed from xorg-related mailing lists, but I'm getting some
> xorg-related bug reports (e.g. xterm and xserver-xorg). What am I
> missing?

You missed attaching an example, so we can actually help you and not 
guess ;)

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Re: Setting up networking on eth0

On Jo, 09 iun 11, 04:26:23, Mark Panen wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I am using KDE on 6.0.0, knetworkmanager uses auto eth0 to get a DHCP
> address. I have added a wired connection for a static address, but

Added where, in Network Manager (NM)?

> each time i reboot it uses the auto eth0 and i want a static address.
> Here is my setup:

You posted your /etc/network/interfaces , but NM doesn't read 
configurations from that file. First you need to decide if you need/want 
NM. IMO it is not really useful for a desktop with a single connection, 
but you didn't give more details.

If you go this way best is to completely purge all NM related packages 
and go with the config posted by Lisi.

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Re: Setting up networking on eth0

On Jo, 09 iun 11, 09:33:43, Lisi wrote:
> >
> > # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
> > # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
> >
> > # The loopback network interface
> > auto lo
> > iface lo inet loopback
> >
> > # The primary network interface
> > allow-hotplug eth0
> > #NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp
> 
> Give the second of these a line to itself. 
> 
> #NetworkManager
> #iface eth0 inet dhcp
> 
> This second of these lines is your problem.  You are telling the 
> system to use dhcp.

Not really, lines starting with '#' are only comments and don't do 
anything. 

> You want iface eth0 inet static and then the settings.  Here is mine:
> 
> iface eth1 inet static
> address 192.168.0.2
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network 192.168.0.0
> broadcast 192.168.0.255

BTW, 'network' and 'broadcast' are not really needed, since they can be 
calculated based on 'address' and 'netmask' ;)

> gateway 192.168.0.1
> # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if 
> installed
> dns-nameservers 212.23.3.100 212.23.6.100

As the comment implies, the 'dns-nameserves' line needs the package 
resolvconf, otherwise you'll have to edit /etc/resolv.conf directly. I 
prefer resolvconf, because I have all network configurations in one 
place ;)

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Re: How to install with encrypted root?

2011-06-11 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com

>11/06/2011 05:52, Christian Jaeger wrote:

[trim]
>> You can use decrypt_derived or random key for the swap
>> partition for instance,
> 
> I'm doing that on two other machines, but IIRC this isn't compatible
> with s2disk, which I might want to use on the netbook.

decrypt_derived is compatible with suspend to disk. Use the right script
(/lib/cryptsetup/scripts/decrypt_derived) and fill in
/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume. Update initramfs.
But in my experience it takes longer to wake up from disk than to
reboot, and you have to type the pass-phrase once anyway. If you
consider that suspend is barely working in Linux, I don't know if it's
worth it.

[trim]
>> Or store the key on a different media
>> plugged-in at boot time
> 
> Yeah, I'm still sometimes thinking about such solutions, also for
> normal login; but USB port connectors would be worn out rather quickly
> I guess, and still less convenient than typing a password.
[trim]
You could also store key-files on the first decrypted partition (/root),
if you don't care about the luks setup being vulnerable while running
that would reduce the password typing.

> Christian.
> 


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open source time/expense tracking package?

2011-06-11 Thread Guido Hecken

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Miles Fidelman [mailto:mfidel...@meetinghouse.net]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Juni 2011 03:10
> An: debian-user
> Betreff: open source time/expense tracking package?
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I've been looking high and low for  a simple time & expense tracking
> package that I can run on my (Debian) server, to support a small project
> team.  Can't seem to find anything but commercial web services (e.g.,
> clicktime).
> 
> So... Figured I'd ask and see if anyone here has found such a beast -
> packaged for Debian, obviously.
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Miles Fidelman

Hi,
have a look at opentimetool.
We use it for most of our projects and general time accounting since years.
It works great for us.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/opentimetool/

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Re: [OT] Bad characters on e-mail headers (was iceape 1.0.9 and IPv6 compatibility)

On Vi, 10 iun 11, 17:57:44, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> Sure they tell me. After looking into them in my cache I've seen that all 
> those were sent by me using Mutt :-)

mutt respects your locale, so just make sure you have some UTF-8 locale 
and delete any 'charset' or similar option from your .muttrc

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Re: how to get to runlevel 3

On Vi, 10 iun 11, 07:57:12, frank thyes wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 07:42 +0200, Mark Panen wrote:
> 
> > Been googling for this with no success. I have tried init 3 and teinit
> > 3 and the runlevel command shows i am at runlevel 3 but X is still on
> > and i cannot install a Nvidia driver.
> 
> Enter who -r to see your current run level but there is no need for
> changing it.
> 
> Try strg + alt + F9 then alt + F1, login and shutdown your X using the

Why this detour? Ctrl-Alt-F1 will work just fine ;)

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Re: how to get to runlevel 3 (to install nvidia drivers)

On Vi, 10 iun 11, 15:09:49, Rohit Vaidya wrote:
> For NVidia driver installation the Xorg should not be kept running. 

Why not? Using the Debian packages I never had any issues with that.

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Re: how to get to runlevel 3

On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 22:14 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:
> On 06/10/11 at 07:42am, Mark Panen wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > Been googling for this with no success. I have tried init 3 and teinit
> > 3 and the runlevel command shows i am at runlevel 3 but X is still on
> > and i cannot install a Nvidia driver.
> 
> telinit 3 should work for you, what does `who -r` show?
> Why do you want runlevel 3? Debian typically only uses runlevel 2 for normal
> operation. Changing to 3 shouldn't have any effect whatsoever. 
> 
> If you want to turn off X, type ctrl-alt-f1 to get to tty1. Then run
> /etc/init.d/{your-display-manager} stop.  Your display manager is probably 
> gdm,
> but could be xdm, kdm, slim... look for the presence of one of these scripts. 
> 
> X will then be stopped and you can run the nvidia installer. Are you following
> the recommended method of installing the nvidia driver? Here is the wiki on
> that in case you don't have it:
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers


Since I was using different distros and sometimes also didn't know how
to switch to what runlevel, I decided simply to boot directly into tty1,
this for all distros is the same. No shortcuts,
no /etc/init.d/question_mark stop.

Ralf



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Re: how to get to runlevel 3 (to install nvidia drivers)

On 2011-06-11 10:30 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Vi, 10 iun 11, 15:09:49, Rohit Vaidya wrote:
>> For NVidia driver installation the Xorg should not be kept running. 
>
> Why not? Using the Debian packages I never had any issues with that.

The NVidia installer tries to load the kernel module when it's finished,
and any previous version has to be unloaded first which is not possible
when X is running.  There are some commandline options to override that
behavior, but by default the installer will abort if X is running.

Sven

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Re: Subscription

On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 23:13 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:50:28 -0400 (EDT), "Morning Star" wrote:
> > 
> > i want to join this mailing lists because i have a question about debian.
> 
> See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ for instructions on how to subscribe.

It's bad that the Linux community tends to educate people with tons of
redundant words, when they don't have a choice not to read it.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ IMO would be the better link and if
somebody already has subscribed and a subscription mail came through the
list, this isn't fatal.

Dyslexia, braille and other reasons should be good enough to reduce the
amount of words for basic information.

A thread with redundant words is ok, because everybody is free not to
read it.

No rant ;), just 2 cents, since I'm a dyslexic and wonder about this
Linux own issue. E.g. read a book to set up your boot loaders menu and
now read a book about how to subscribe to a Debian mailing list.

I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I
guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.

Regards,

Ralf

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Re: How to stop receiving xorg-related mails

2011-06-11 Thread Michelle Konzack

Hello Tshepang Lekhonkhobe,

Am 2011-06-08 23:16:32, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> I've unsubscribed from both xorg and xterm from the PTS, but am still
> getting these bug reports.
> 
> I looked at BTS info, and it appears there's not way to subscribe to bug
> reports for the whole package (just individual bug reports).

I am subscribed to more than 1200  PACKAGES  (I  have  installed  on  my
systems) in the PTS and NOT individual bugs.  There is  no  problem  for
me to subscribe or unsubscribe to/from the PTS and BTS.

Can you send one of this messages with full header please?

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Re: Setting up networking on eth0

On Saturday 11 June 2011 09:10:53 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 09 iun 11, 09:33:43, Lisi wrote:
> > > # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
> > > # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
> > >
> > > # The loopback network interface
> > > auto lo
> > > iface lo inet loopback
> > >
> > > # The primary network interface
> > > allow-hotplug eth0
> > > #NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp
> >
> > Give the second of these a line to itself.
> >
> > #NetworkManager
> > #iface eth0 inet dhcp
> >
> > This second of these lines is your problem.  You are telling the
> > system to use dhcp.
>
> Not really, lines starting with '#' are only comments and don't do
> anything.

Yes - as I sent it I thought: oh, bother, I failed to point out that not only 
did it not achieve what he wanted, but it wasn't actually doing anything.

But he wanted static anyway.

As for your other points, again, yes you are obviously right.  But I have had 
it for years and it works and I am a great believer in: if it ain't broke, 
don't fix it. ;-)

> > You want iface eth0 inet static and then the settings.  Here is mine:
> >
> > iface eth1 inet static
> > address 192.168.0.2
> > netmask 255.255.255.0
> > network 192.168.0.0
> > broadcast 192.168.0.255
>
> BTW, 'network' and 'broadcast' are not really needed, since they can be
> calculated based on 'address' and 'netmask' ;)
>
> > gateway 192.168.0.1
> > # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if
> > installed
> > dns-nameservers 212.23.3.100 212.23.6.100
>
> As the comment implies, the 'dns-nameserves' line needs the package
> resolvconf, otherwise you'll have to edit /etc/resolv.conf directly. I
> prefer resolvconf, because I have all network configurations in one
> place ;)

Lisi


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Re: how to get to runlevel 3 (to install nvidia drivers)

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:56 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2011-06-11 10:30 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> > On Vi, 10 iun 11, 15:09:49, Rohit Vaidya wrote:
> >> For NVidia driver installation the Xorg should not be kept running. 
> >
> > Why not? Using the Debian packages I never had any issues with that.
> 
> The NVidia installer tries to load the kernel module when it's finished,
> and any previous version has to be unloaded first which is not possible
> when X is running.  There are some commandline options to override that
> behavior, but by default the installer will abort if X is running.
> 
> Sven


*?* on Ubuntu it was possible to remove an old version and to add a new
while running a DE. I suspect this is possible on Debian too?



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Re: hard drive configuration

2011-06-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 6/10/2011 2:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 21:49 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> for single user or
>>
>> /
>> /home
>> /media/big -> /home/$user1/big
>> /media/big -> /home/$user2/big
> 
> For a single user I switched from / + /home to / only.
> For special tasks I add e.g. /music_productions to /mnt or /home.
> 
> The advantage to have / only, including /home is, that you don't need
> think that much about allocation of free space. You anyway can do
> separated backups. And having tons of individual mounted directories
> won't speed up anything or won't have any other advantage. It might be
> different for servers or what ever, but for a single user?

Always have a /boot partition with kernel file etc so you can still boot
the machine if you roast your / filesystem.  Sure, live CDs are handy,
but it's more handy if you can boot to a prompt and troubleshoot without
inserting a CD.

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Re: Setting up networking on eth0

On Sb, 11 iun 11, 10:11:40, Lisi wrote:
> 
> As for your other points, again, yes you are obviously right.  But I have had 
> it for years and it works and I am a great believer in: if it ain't broke, 
> don't fix it. ;-)

Yes, I know what you mean, I'm just obsessed with "minimal changes" ;)

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Re: how to get to runlevel 3 (to install nvidia drivers)

On Sb, 11 iun 11, 10:56:28, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2011-06-11 10:30 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> > On Vi, 10 iun 11, 15:09:49, Rohit Vaidya wrote:
> >> For NVidia driver installation the Xorg should not be kept running. 
> >
> > Why not? Using the Debian packages I never had any issues with that.
> 
> The NVidia installer tries to load the kernel module when it's finished,
> and any previous version has to be unloaded first which is not possible
> when X is running.  There are some commandline options to override that
> behavior, but by default the installer will abort if X is running.

You meant the official nvidia installer? I specifically mentioned "using 
the Debian packages" ;)

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Re: hard drive configuration

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 04:17 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 6/10/2011 2:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 21:49 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >> for single user or
> >>
> >> /
> >> /home
> >> /media/big -> /home/$user1/big
> >> /media/big -> /home/$user2/big
> > 
> > For a single user I switched from / + /home to / only.
> > For special tasks I add e.g. /music_productions to /mnt or /home.
> > 
> > The advantage to have / only, including /home is, that you don't need
> > think that much about allocation of free space. You anyway can do
> > separated backups. And having tons of individual mounted directories
> > won't speed up anything or won't have any other advantage. It might be
> > different for servers or what ever, but for a single user?
> 
> Always have a /boot partition with kernel file etc so you can still boot
> the machine if you roast your / filesystem.  Sure, live CDs are handy,
> but it's more handy if you can boot to a prompt and troubleshoot without
> inserting a CD.

Plausible. I've got a multi-boot, so if one Linux fails, I can boot
another to repair it. I don't like to insert a CD either :).

Ralf


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Re: how to get to runlevel 3 (to install nvidia drivers)

On 2011-06-11 11:20 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Sb, 11 iun 11, 10:56:28, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2011-06-11 10:30 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> 
>> > On Vi, 10 iun 11, 15:09:49, Rohit Vaidya wrote:
>> >> For NVidia driver installation the Xorg should not be kept running. 
>> >
>> > Why not? Using the Debian packages I never had any issues with that.
>> 
>> The NVidia installer tries to load the kernel module when it's finished,
>> and any previous version has to be unloaded first which is not possible
>> when X is running.  There are some commandline options to override that
>> behavior, but by default the installer will abort if X is running.
>
> You meant the official nvidia installer?

Yes, sorry if this wasn't clear.

Sven


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Re: Subscription

On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I
> guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.

I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!

My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all use 
text to speech software.  Though the point about difficulty scanning still 
holds good.

That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you can 
use braille to read things on the Internet.

Lisi

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Re: [OT] Bad characters on e-mail headers (was iceape 1.0.9 and IPv6 compatibility)

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:22:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Vi, 10 iun 11, 17:57:44, Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>> Sure they tell me. After looking into them in my cache I've seen that
>> all those were sent by me using Mutt :-)
> 
> mutt respects your locale, so just make sure you have some UTF-8 locale
> and delete any 'charset' or similar option from your .muttrc

What happens here is that Iceweasel is having some sort of problem for 
displaying a "From:" field encoded with "iso-8859-1".

Mutt is doing it right :-)

Sending with Mutt, character encoding for the "From:" field is kept as 
"utf-8" but sending with Pan is converted to "iso-8859-1" (or so it says 
Iceweasel). And Iceweasel "coughs" when it detects the iso.

sm01@stt008:~$ grep -i utf .muttrc
set charset = utf-8
set send_charset = utf-8

sm01@stt008:~$ locale
LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

In the same way, I instructed Pan to use UTF-8:

sm01@stt008:~$ grep -i utf .pan2/posting.xml


But this seems to affect only to the message body and not header encoding.

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Re: how to get to runlevel 3 (to install nvidia drivers)

On 2011-06-11 11:16 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> *?* on Ubuntu it was possible to remove an old version and to add a new
> while running a DE. I suspect this is possible on Debian too?

Using the Debian packages, yes.  I was talking about the official
installer.

Sven


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Re: x-terminal-emulator does not appear to accept comand line args

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:18:35 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:

> On 06/09/11 at 05:31pm, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:46:54 +0100, Dom wrote:
>> > I think that as the wrapper is translating x-terminal options to
>> > gnome-terminal equivalents, it shouldn't pass through "-h" or
>> > "--help", but should display a basic usage page for the options that
>> > *it* accepts.
>> >
>> > Therefore I consider this to be a bug (albeit minor in nature). I
>> > just use the native gnome-terminal options anyway.
>> 
>> I don't know why but something tells me that there must be a good
>> reason for the wrapper behaving in that way, differently than the full
>> binary.
> 
> Of course. gnome-terminal.wrapper is created solely for
> x-terminal-emulator use by gnome-core/gnome-terminal maintainer
> Christian Marillat, and it tries to present a set of options more like
> xterm, since x-terminal-emulator has decided on xterm-style options.
> Emulating a single set of options where conflicts occur is a policy
> decision, IIRC.

Ah... then it is intended so no bug here, right?

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Where is /usr/lib/libc/memcpy-preload.so ?

2011-06-11 Thread Mr. Wang Long

Hi,

In /usr/share/doc/libc6/NEWS.Debian.gz it reads:

eglibc (2.13-3) unstable; urgency=low
...
  For this reason, on the amd64 architecture the Debian package provides
  two wrappers which can be use to workaround and/or debug the issue:
  - /usr/lib/libc/memcpy-preload.so simply replace all calls to memcpy()
by a call to memmove()
  - /usr/lib/libc/memcpy-syslog-preload.so does the same, but in addition
logs (with rate limit) the issue to syslog, so that it can be
detected and fixed.

But in which package can I find /usr/lib/libc/memcpy-preload.so ?
I have libc6 2.13-6 installed, but that file is just missing.

Thanks & best regards,

Wang Long

Re: gnome sensors applet: which is which ?

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:21:34 +0100, Joao Ferreira Gmail wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 18:46 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> > which is which ? CPU ? Motherboard ?
>> 
>> Most probably the CPU, as Brian pointed out (there should be an icon
>> identifiying the item)
> 
> both icons are identical !!!

And what do they represent? A CPU chip?

>> but 74°C and 95°C -being Celsius- are a bit high values for whatever
>> they meassure (even for a laptop). From what source (s) does
>> "sensors-applet" gather the data?
> 
> I don't know. but the following should help... I hope it does :)
> 
> root@wheejy:/# sensors-detect
> No i2c device files found.

This doesn't look good. 

Ah, it's a solved bug, at least if you are running wheezy/sid:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=628228
 
> root@wheejy:/# sensors
> acpitz-virtual-0
> Adapter: Virtual device
> temp1:+57.5°C  (crit = +126.0°C)

This looks like the CPU sensor. It is still a bit high but dependending 
on the CPU model it could be in the safe range.
 
> nouveau-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+79.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +110.0°C)

Ah, this seems your VGA card's sensor.
 
> I can add that these 2 values (79 and 57) are actually the ones
> displayed by the applet. both the "sensors" and "sensors-detect"
> programs are part of the "lm-sensors" package.
> 
> Can you guys make some sense out of these informations ?

Yep. They now make more sense. But take an eye to the CPU temp, it should 
not exceed its limits (neither 74°C nor 95°C are good numbers).

Is this a notebook? Notebooks CPUs tend to be more heat and they support 
higher values for T junction.

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Re: hard drive configuration

2011-06-11 Thread Ron Johnson


On 06/11/2011 04:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
[snip]


I don't like to insert a CD either :).



I can't tell if you're telling a joke or being eccentric.

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Re: Subscription

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:50:28 -0400, Morning Star wrote:

> i want to join this mailing lists because i have a question about
> debian.

This is an open list, you can post at any time, no subscription needed.

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Re: Where is /usr/lib/libc/memcpy-preload.so ?

On 2011-06-11 11:47 +0200, Mr. Wang Long wrote:

> In /usr/share/doc/libc6/NEWS.Debian.gz it reads:
>
> eglibc (2.13-3) unstable; urgency=low
> ...
>   For this reason, on the amd64 architecture the Debian package provides
>   two wrappers which can be use to workaround and/or debug the issue:
>   - /usr/lib/libc/memcpy-preload.so simply replace all calls to memcpy()
> by a call to memmove()
>   - /usr/lib/libc/memcpy-syslog-preload.so does the same, but in addition
> logs (with rate limit) the issue to syslog, so that it can be
> detected and fixed.
>
> But in which package can I find /usr/lib/libc/memcpy-preload.so ?
> I have libc6 2.13-6 installed, but that file is just missing.

It has been moved to the multiarch path,
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc/.  The NEWS.Debian file needs to be
updated to reflect that.

Note that the wrappers only exist on amd64.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I
> > guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
> 
> I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!

I've got good eyes and don't have braille ;). But I'm a dyslexic.

> My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all use 
> text to speech software.  Though the point about difficulty scanning still 
> holds good.

Try Orca or so, you can't use it for all applications. Fortunately blind
people can use Linux easier than other OS, because there's software with
good config files, so they don't need the GUI :).

On Linux audio users there are two blind users and they use Hydrogen by
setting up this drum machine by it's config file. The GUI can't be used
with Orca speech software.

I tried Orca with closed eyes, horrible. You and I, we have good luck
that we are able to see. I guess impaired people very often need help
when using Linux installers. I'm pissed off that the world is made for
averaged people only ;), even that I'm more or less averaged myself, so
there aren't that much issues for me, excepted of empathy for people who
are different.

For Linux there is software for children, that shows, that it's possible
to give access to the computer for illiterates or mentally retarded, but
there is no such software for adults like e.g. http://tuxpaint.org/

I guess illiterates or mentally retarded adults would prefer to use Gimp
instead of tuxpaint ;).

> That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you can 
> use braille to read things on the Internet.

A misunderstanding, perhaps regarding to my broken English. My eyes just
need + 0.5 or + 0.75 glasses (= + 1.0 for the glasses from the
supermarket), so I do have very good eyes. I'm not blind. My issues
regarding to reading are caused by dyslexia. So, I'm using a monitor ;).

Regards,

Ralf

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Re: how to get to runlevel 3 (to install nvidia drivers)

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 11:28 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2011-06-11 11:16 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
> > *?* on Ubuntu it was possible to remove an old version and to add a new
> > while running a DE. I suspect this is possible on Debian too?
> 
> Using the Debian packages, yes.  I was talking about the official
> installer.
> 
> Sven

Hi Sven, is there a particular reason not to use the package? I know
that there could be reasons, but those are very rare.

Ralf



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Re: open source time/expense tracking package?

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:10:03 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:

> I've been looking high and low for  a simple time & expense tracking
> package that I can run on my (Debian) server, to support a small project
> team.  Can't seem to find anything but commercial web services (e.g.,
> clicktime).
> 
> So... Figured I'd ask and see if anyone here has found such a beast -
> packaged for Debian, obviously.

Wikipedia has a nice comparison chart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_time_tracking_software

Maybe you can find something suitable for your needs in there.

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Re: hard drive configuration

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 04:50 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 06/11/2011 04:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > I don't like to insert a CD either :).
> >
> 
> I can't tell if you're telling a joke or being eccentric.


Both :), kidding here.


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Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

On Saturday 11 June 2011 11:07:36 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor,
> > > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
> >
> > I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
>
> I've got good eyes and don't have braille ;). But I'm a dyslexic.

You misunderstood my question.  "You" in English, in addition to being the 
second person plural and singular pronoun, is also the third person singular 
indefinate pronoun equivalent to the French "on".  You (second person 
singular) said  "I guess using braille, people have to read much more 
irrelevant stuff" and I asked how on earth these putative people, using 
braille to read things on the Internet, did so.  I cannot see how anyone uses 
braille on the Internet, so I asked you (second person singular) how such a 
person would do so.

> > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all
> > use text to speech software.  Though the point about difficulty scanning
> > still holds good.
>
> Try Orca or so, you can't use it for all applications. Fortunately blind
> people can use Linux easier than other OS, because there's software with
> good config files, so they don't need the GUI :).

Very sadly, this is not true.  There is marvellous text to speech software 
available, very expensively, for Windows.  I have looked into Linux and have 
not so far found anything to touch it.  Mind you, testing is as you (second 
person singular) say difficult, because I am not good at managing without 
some sort of visual hint.

> On Linux audio users there are two blind users and they use Hydrogen by
> setting up this drum machine by it's config file. The GUI can't be used
> with Orca speech software.
[snip]
> > That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you
> > can use braille to read things on the Internet.
>
> A misunderstanding, perhaps regarding to my broken English. 

No, I fully understood you (second person singular).  You (second person 
singular) said that you (second person singular) are dyslexic.  But _you_ 
(second person singular) misunderstood _me_.  It is difficult for me to know 
what I should avoid on an international list, and "one" as a pronoun 
effectively died in the mid twentieth century, so complicated periphrasis can 
be avoided only by using the pronoun "you" in the third person instead of 
using "one", which it has replaced in the language.

And as you (second person singular) see here, attempts to clarify or rephrase 
are necessarily very clumsy.

Lisi

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Re: [OT] Bad characters on e-mail headers (was iceape 1.0.9 and IPv6 compatibility)

On 11/06/11 03:57, �  "the dark oracle" wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 03:01:36 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> 
>> On 11/06/11 01:02, � "the dark oracle" wrote:
> 

> 
> Scott, let's see if this works: open Icedove and create a new folder 
> (name it "test" or "the dark oracle", at your wish...). Then copy here 
> (do not move but copy as we don't want to mangle nor lose your e-mails) a 
> bunch of my e-mails that show the bad character.
> 
> Then right-click over that folder and select "Properties". In the first 
> tab you will find an option for character encoding. If it is set to 
> "utf-8" change it to "iso-8859-1" (or viceversa, if it is set to 
> "iso-8859-1" set it to "utf-8"). Check "[x] Apply the default..." and 
> click "Accept" or "OK".

I tried that, and most of the available character encodings - none fixed
all of the weird characters. I also tried with "Apply default to all
messages in the folder (individual message character encoding settings
and auto-detection will be ignored)" unselected.

I'm wondering if my use of localepurge and only the one locale
LANG="en_AU.UTF-8" LANGUAGE="en_AU:en" might be part of the problem.
To that end I'm reading up on locales and character encoding in Debian -
I'll then try a few variations in a VirtualBox machine, including trying
another email agent. It'll probably take a couple of days to find the
time - but I'll post my results when I resolve the issue.

Thanks for your suggestions.

> 
> (put drums here)

??

> 
> Greetings,
> 

Cheers

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Re: Configuring Iceweasel security policies.

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:24:32 -0800, peasthope wrote:

> After reading http://kb.mozillazine.org/Security_Policies add these four
> lines to dalton:/etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js .

(...)

> This message comes to the Iceweasel error console. Security Error:
> Content at http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/#Links may not load or link
> to file:///Category2.html.

(...)

Check if this helps:

***
http://www-archive.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.7.12/known-issues.html#psm

For security reasons, Mozilla does not allow web content to link to local 
files. An error like:Security Error: Content at url may not load or link 
to file:///something will appear in the javascript console. If you need 
to follow links to local paths it is recommended that you drag the link 
to the location bar and then drop it on the webpage. If you really don't 
like the security check and are willing to risk all files on your system 
and that your system can access then you may add the following line to 
user.js in your personal profile directory. user_pref
("security.checkloaduri", false); (Bug 84128)
***

I mean, the part where it says how to disable the security check (I hope 
you really know what you are doing here...).

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Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

2011-06-11 Thread darkestkhan

2011/6/11 Lisi :
> On Saturday 11 June 2011 11:07:36 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> [snip]
>> > That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you
>> > can use braille to read things on the Internet.
>>
>> A misunderstanding, perhaps regarding to my broken English.
>
> No, I fully understood you (second person singular).  You (second person
> singular) said that you (second person singular) are dyslexic.  But _you_
> (second person singular) misunderstood _me_.  It is difficult for me to know
> what I should avoid on an international list, and "one" as a pronoun
> effectively died in the mid twentieth century, so complicated periphrasis can
> be avoided only by using the pronoun "you" in the third person instead of
> using "one", which it has replaced in the language.
>
> And as you (second person singular) see here, attempts to clarify or rephrase
> are necessarily very clumsy.
>
> Lisi
>

Maybe it is time for big revolution in English language of XXI century
- the revival of pronoun "one".
For one thing, I'm still encountering pronoun "one", and it is quite
often, so I wouldn't be so hasty to this judgment of effective death
(though it may be caused by wandering in strange dark corners of
Internet).

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Re: how to get to runlevel 3 (to install nvidia drivers)

On 2011-06-11 12:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 11:28 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2011-06-11 11:16 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> 
>> > *?* on Ubuntu it was possible to remove an old version and to add a new
>> > while running a DE. I suspect this is possible on Debian too?
>> 
>> Using the Debian packages, yes.  I was talking about the official
>> installer.
>> 
>> Sven
>
> Hi Sven, is there a particular reason not to use the package?

It might be too old and not support your current GPU, Xserver or
kernel.

> I know that there could be reasons, but those are very rare.

If you use stable, you might run into the "GPU too new" problem.  If you
use unstable, you might run into the "kernel too new" problem, or in the
"X too new problem", especially with the legacy drivers.  If you use
testing, you might run into any of the above, plus the "Debian nvidia
packages not available and/or not installable in testing" problem.

Of course, if you use the installer you are going to have other
problems, so that is certainly no panacea.  If the Debian packages work,
use them and _not_ the installer.

Sven

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Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 11:43 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Saturday 11 June 2011 11:07:36 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor,
> > > > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
> > >
> > > I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
> >
> > I've got good eyes and don't have braille ;). But I'm a dyslexic.
> 
> You misunderstood my question.  "You" in English, in addition to being the 
> second person plural and singular pronoun, is also the third person singular 
> indefinate pronoun equivalent to the French "on".  You (second person 
> singular) said  "I guess using braille, people have to read much more 
> irrelevant stuff" and I asked how on earth these putative people, using 
> braille to read things on the Internet, did so.  I cannot see how anyone uses 
> braille on the Internet, so I asked you (second person singular) how such a 
> person would do so.

Ok, I guess I understand now. I don't know, but perhaps it's possible by
using w3m. There are some sites made by blind people and those sides use
a different style, compared to usual web pages.

Please run

$ w3m http://www.webbie.org.uk/webbie.htm

This IMO is even more pleasant for people who are able to see ;). No
folderol. Btw. I didn't read it.

> > > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all
> > > use text to speech software.  Though the point about difficulty scanning
> > > still holds good.
> >
> > Try Orca or so, you can't use it for all applications. Fortunately blind
> > people can use Linux easier than other OS, because there's software with
> > good config files, so they don't need the GUI :).
> 
> Very sadly, this is not true.  There is marvellous text to speech software 
> available, very expensively, for Windows.  I have looked into Linux and have 
> not so far found anything to touch it.  Mind you, testing is as you (second 
> person singular) say difficult, because I am not good at managing without 
> some sort of visual hint.

I like pictures very much! I guess even for blind people a relief will
give more information than words sometimes can do.

Regarding to accessibility I might be thinking of audio only. I guess on
Windows and Mac it's harder for blind musicians, but I might be
mistaken.

FWIW even seeing and sane artists prefer engineers to handle the
computer equipment.

Herbie Hancock On Sesame Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5C4VF7xdcc

Computers are bad designed for intuitive people. This 68000 CPU computer
based synth is much better designed, regarding to the needs of musicians
than Windows, Mac and Linux desktops are.

Regards,

Ralf


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Re: Subscription

2011-06-11 Thread Steven

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: 
> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I
> > guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
> 
> I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
> 
> My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all use 
> text to speech software.  Though the point about difficulty scanning still 
> holds good.
> 
> That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you can 
> use braille to read things on the Internet.

They can use special hardware for that, it 'translates' the written text
to a line of braille on a physical device. Googling "braille hardware
gave me this link on top:
http://www.indiana.edu/~iuadapts/technology/hardware/braille/index.html

I have no experience whatsoever with any kind of these devices and
Linux, wearing a pair of glasses is enough for me to clearly read the
screen. I am no expert by any means.

> 
> Lisi
> 
> 

Kind regards,
Steven

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Re: [Debian 6] Unable to install Debian 6.0.1 - no supporting mirrors found

On 11/06/11 16:33, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> 
>> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:04:36 +1000
>> From: Scott Ferguson 
>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: [Debian 6] Unable to install Debian 6.0.1 - no supporting
>> mirrors
>>  found
>> Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:05:13 + (UTC)
>> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>
>> On 10/06/11 15:37, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to install Debian 6.0.1 amd64 version, with a
>>> firmware netinst iso (from
>>> http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
>>>
>>>
>>>  ), and, at the package manager setup stage, every mirror that I have
>>>  tried within Australia, and a couple in the USA, return the error
>>>  "mirror does not support version (squeeze)".

And yet (as the output below shows) they apparently do. You're very
patient - how many months have you been trying this now?

>>>

> :)
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I have just switched back to the computer onto which the Debian 6.01
> amd64 version is to be installed (I have to disconnect the monitor from
> this computer, and connect it to the other computer, as the monitor that
> I had connected to it, appears temperamental, and the monitors are now
> apparently irreplaceable, with all new monitors now being the bodgy
> widescreen things), and written down the content of the last text screen
> displayed, which I found at  (It is  to
> return to the GUI installation screen), and, rather than typing all of
> the content of the screen, I think (but, with my little amount of
> knowledge, am not sure) that, as suggested, the problem may lay in the
> URL format for the repositories.
> 
> for example, for AARNet, the line from the screen (without the
> date/timestamp at the start of the line), is
> 
> choose-mirror[6418]: DEBUG: command: wget -q
> http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian//dists/squeeze/Release - O - | grep
> -E '^(Suite|Codename:'

Origin: Debian
Label: Debian
Suite: stable
Version: 6.0.1
Codename: squeeze
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 13:04:59 UTC
Architectures: amd64 armel i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 mips
mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
Components: main contrib non-free
Description: Debian 6.0.1 Released 19 March 2011

> 
> and for UWA, is
> 
> choose-mirror[6608]: DEBUG: command: wget -q
> http:ftp.uwa.edu.au/debian//dists/squeeze/Release -O - | grep -E
> '^(Suite|Codename):'

Origin: Debian
Label: Debian
Suite: stable
Version: 6.0
Codename: squeeze
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:29:37 UTC
Architectures: amd64 armel i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 mips
mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
Components: main contrib non-free
Description: Debian 6.0 Released 05 February 2011

> 
> Now, as I have said, I am of little knowledge in Linux and Debian, but,
> to me, the double slash between "debian" and "dists", in the URL's,
> makes me wonder whether that might be the source of the problem.

I've thought the same in the past - not sure how it works, but it does.
Both those wget requests *should* have worked. I have pasted the headers
from those repositories above.

Try this in your browser:-
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian//dists/squeeze/Release
It works,

Someone who knows choose-mirrors better than I might want to check this,
but I "suspect" those wget lines should work, and return the following:-
Suite: stable
Codename: squeeze

> 
> I have tried to transcribe the contents of the screen, as accurately as
> possible, (as I said, apart from the date/timestamp at the start of each
> line).

They usually scroll pretty quick. When I've had errors with repositories
it's been pretty obvious when looking at the messages. Which leads me to
believe the problem lies elsewhere.

> 
> If what I have suggested, is not the source of the problem, I could type
> in the whole of the content of the last screen of text that is
> displayed, but I thought that, if I am correct in my proposition, then
> there is no point in typing in the remainder of the content.

Wise.

> 
> I note that the content of the screen, does not include any error
> message to the effect "Network is unreachable", so indicating, in the
> absence of such a message, that the network connection appears to be
> functioning properly.

Agreed.

> 
> -- 
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> ..
> 
> "So once you do know what the question actually is,
>  you'll know what the answer means."
> - Deep Thought,
>   Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
>   "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
>   A Trilogy In Four Parts",
>   written by Douglas Adams,
>   published by Pan Books, 1992
> 
> 
> 
> 

Do you have any live Linux CD/DVDs on hand?  32-bit is fine.

Cheers


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Re: [OT] Bad characters on e-mail headers (was iceape 1.0.9 and IPv6 compatibility)


El 11/06/11 13:07, Scott Ferguson escribió:

On 11/06/11 03:57, �  "the dark oracle" wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 03:01:36 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:


On 11/06/11 01:02, � "the dark oracle" wrote:






Scott, let's see if this works: open Icedove and create a new folder
(name it "test" or "the dark oracle", at your wish...). Then copy here
(do not move but copy as we don't want to mangle nor lose your e-mails) a
bunch of my e-mails that show the bad character.

Then right-click over that folder and select "Properties". In the first
tab you will find an option for character encoding. If it is set to
"utf-8" change it to "iso-8859-1" (or viceversa, if it is set to
"iso-8859-1" set it to "utf-8"). Check "[x] Apply the default..." and
click "Accept" or "OK".


I tried that, and most of the available character encodings - none fixed
all of the weird characters. I also tried with "Apply default to all
messages in the folder (individual message character encoding settings
and auto-detection will be ignored)" unselected.


I asked you to test this because of this:

Wheezy, Icedove with utf-8 encoded folder:
http://picpaste.com/Pantallazo-fOOZ92HP.png

Wheezy, Icedove with iso-8859-1 encoded folder (this is the default):
http://picpaste.com/pics/Pantallazo-1-wcCjXhKb.1307792270.png

You see? I also get the black diamond but *only* when I force a utf-8 
encoding for the folder it contains the messages and click on "apply 
default to all messages in the folder..." :-)


So... what is your default character encoding for the mail folders in 
Icedove?



I'm wondering if my use of localepurge and only the one locale
LANG="en_AU.UTF-8" LANGUAGE="en_AU:en" might be part of the problem.
To that end I'm reading up on locales and character encoding in Debian -
I'll then try a few variations in a VirtualBox machine, including trying
another email agent. It'll probably take a couple of days to find the
time - but I'll post my results when I resolve the issue.


Have you tried to load the offending message under Evolution or another 
MUA? If another e-mail client also loads the wrong character, you may be 
facing a system locale mess. If Evo loads it fine, then Icedove is the 
one to blame which ineed was my first suspect ;-)



(put drums here)


??


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Re: Subscription

2011-06-11 Thread shawn wilson

On Jun 11, 2011 5:27 AM, "Lisi"  wrote:
>
> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I
> > guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
>
> I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
>
> My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all
use
> text to speech software.  Though the point about difficulty scanning still
> holds good.
>
> That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you
can
> use braille to read things on the Internet.
>

Yeah, there are braille tablets with mechanical 'dots'. However they cost
some real money. Also as one who constantly brushes dust, skin, and hair off
my macbook, I have no idea how you'd keep one of those clean.

So, people I've seen prefer speech. This too wasn't a cheap solution as
windows software was $1k+ and a synthesizer was $200+. However, now most of
the work is strictly software and there are free software solutions; emacs
speak comes to mind (there's at least one other that I don't recall). There
used to be issues with speech software on X. There's also an issue if a
blind person needs access to the BIOS (though select computers used to
output info through the serial port, and servers have ipmi). There also used
to be an issue with remote apps on the windows side - I know Microsoft has
pretty much solved this on their end but I don't know about citrix.

Now, whatever the price of this adaptive software, most (all?) states in the
US have programs that pay for all necessary adaptive software / hardware and
training. Despite the large amount of money spent here, there are serious
issues with people who don't know hoe to write web pages. The other big
issue is new cell phones that have few physical buttons (I have been told
that the iPhone is better on this front than Android).

This is about 80% OT but you asked. I'm also sure that Google can get you
more reliable info on this topic than I. Hopefully if you design software or
web pages, you'll consider how you'd use it without eyes.

Set Up a server using Public IP Addresses on debian

2011-06-11 Thread Christian Simo

Hi all

Sorry to response let!

I was busy with my ISP:

please see below the NAT configuration for my Cisco Router done by my ISP:

ip route 196.22.173.9 255.255.255.255 Dialer0
!
no ip http server
no ip http secure-server
ip dns server
!
ip nat inside source list 100 interface Loopback0 overload
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.81 21 41.134.19.90 21 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.81 22 41.134.19.90 22 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.84 25 41.134.19.90 25 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.80 53 41.134.19.90 53 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.81 80 41.134.19.90 80 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.84 110 41.134.19.90 110 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.84 143 41.134.19.90 143 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.84 220 41.134.19.90 220 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.81 389 41.134.19.90 389 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.81 443 41.134.19.90 443 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.81 636 41.134.19.90 636 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.81 990 41.134.19.90 990 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.84 993 41.134.19.90 993 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.84 995 41.134.19.90 995 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.84 3306 41.134.19.90 3306 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.81 5432 41.134.19.90 5432 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.82 53 41.134.19.91 53 extendable
ip nat inside source static tcp 10.0.0.82 80 41.134.19.91 80 extendable
!

Re: hard drive configuration

2011-06-11 Thread Andrej Kacian

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:28:32 -0700
Freeman  wrote:

>The disadvantage is wasted space, since each partition has some expansion
>room that equals lost contiguous bulk space.  (Reading up on LVM's is on my
>todo list.)  

You really should, there's no reason not to use LVM, especially for wacky
setup like yours. :)

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Set Up a server using Public IP Addresses on debian

2011-06-11 Thread Christian Simo

The problems are not yet solved but I can see that I'm on my way!
I never point a local debian machine on Internet that is why I'm getting
confuse,
Another issue is the Cisco router that I can't have access! so I discovered
problems when I try to implement somethings

I can now ping 41.134.19.90 and 41.134.19.91 from my LAN.

It's like the above IPs are pointing on 41-134-19-90.dsl.mweb.co.za and
41-134-19-91.dsl.mweb.co.za

but I request to my ISP to changed them to ns1.kom.co.za and
ns2.kom.co.zaso that I can have my own DNS server

Can't install on an Intel iMac

2011-06-11 Thread Mike Hore


Hi folks,

I've had Debian installed on a PPC iMac for a long time now, and I've 
now also picked up a used Intel iMac (from about 2006 - processor is 
32-bit).  I've downloaded and burned a netinst CD for squeeze, but the 
installation seems remarkably obscure.  I've found a few articles, and 
done a few things, but I'm having no joy.  (PowerPC was easy!!!)


I've installed EFI to control which partition to boot off.

I've got the disk repartitioned OK, I think:

/dev/sda1   MBR
/dev/sda2   /  (for Debian)  (bootable)
/dev/sda3   Mac OSX
/dev/sda4   swap

I've now repeatedly gone through the installation, and I make sure the 
bootable flag is "on" on sda2.
Everything runs normally, then when it gets to install GRUB, I set it to 
install on sda2 (I think from what I read that the MBR is actually 
unused on an iMac.)  Everything appears to go OK.  But then when I 
reboot, and use EFI to select the Debian partition, I get a GRUB message 
telling me "no bootable device".


I've also tried to select Lilo, during the installation, but it gives me 
a message that an error occurred without saying what.


There's a Wiki article about Intel Macs, but it talks about custom 
kernels and I don't want to go there.  I don't want a Windows partition, 
just Mac and Linux.  I'm getting nowhere -- I'd be grateful for any help!!


Cheers,  Mike.

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Re: open source time/expense tracking package?

2011-06-11 Thread Sudev Barar

Why I prefer sillaj is that it mainly concentrates on time tacking.

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Re: Set Up a server using Public IP Addresses on debian

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:14:31 +0200, Christian Simo wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Sorry to response let!

Please, keep the replies into the same thread, there is no need to open a 
new thread for every post :-)

> I was busy with my ISP:
> 
> please see below the NAT configuration for my Cisco Router done by my
> ISP:

(...)

Christian, having a computer connected to Internet 24 hours 365 days 
which provides remote services it can be very risky (and not only for you 
or your LAN but the whole of the Internet users) so I think you need 
first to get some of the basics about networking and routing to 
understand what is this all about and what do you need, at least for 
making your first tests.

I dunno how can we help you if we don't know what is your network layout, 
what routers/gateways/modems do you have configured at your site and what 
tests are you doing right know.

So please, let's concetrate in one service (dns server or http server or 
whatever you prefer) and now that your ISP has configured the routes to 
point to your local server you can start with your setup. So choose one 
service, configure it and put here any problems you have with that.

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Re: Subscription

On Saturday 11 June 2011 13:12:25 shawn wilson wrote:
> On Jun 11, 2011 5:27 AM, "Lisi"  wrote:
> > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor,
> > > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
> >
> > I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
> >
> > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all
>
> use
>
> > text to speech software.  Though the point about difficulty scanning
> > still holds good.
> >
> > That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you
>
> can
>
> > use braille to read things on the Internet.
>
> Yeah, there are braille tablets with mechanical 'dots'. However they cost
> some real money. Also as one who constantly brushes dust, skin, and hair
> off my macbook, I have no idea how you'd keep one of those clean.

This:
http://www.rnib.org.uk/shop/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?category=transcription_software&productID=HT10601
was all I was able to find this side of the pond, and it claims only to be 
able to translate word processor documents, not Internet pages.  Have you a 
reference?  

I have also found this:
http://www.tabletedia.com/news/1113.html
but that refers to the future.

> This is about 80% OT but you asked. I'm also sure that Google can get you
> more reliable info on this topic than I. Hopefully if you design software
> or web pages, you'll consider how you'd use it without eyes.

We are a long way from web sites designed with blind people in mind.  Most are 
designed without consideration even for the partially sighted!

Lisi


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Re: Configuring Iceweasel security policies.

On 11/06/11 06:24, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> After reading http://kb.mozillazine.org/Security_Policies
> add these four lines to dalton:/etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js .
> 
> // Allow my file URI to be opened.
> user_pref("capability.policy.policynames", "localfilelinks");
> user_pref("capability.policy.localfilelinks.checkloaduri.enabled", 
> "allAccess");
> user_pref("capability.policy.localfilelinks.sites", 
> "http://pe...@members.shaw.ca:80";);

Now that's confusing me too! I've never had to modify anything to get a
web browser to load local files or to load links from local files
either to local links or online links.

> 
> # From: Scott Ferguson 
> # Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:31:08 +1000
>> Soft links'll work fine.
> 
> OK, dalton:/Category2.html is now a soft link to /home/peter/Category2.html.
> 
> At dalton open
>   http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/#Links
> and click on the link file:///Category2.html .

I don't think that will work - for it to work *I* would have to have a
file called Category2.html in my / directory

(mea culpa) As usual I've explained myself poorly.
Judging from the apache modules:-

members.shaw.ca gives you an account for peasthope - in your home
directory is a directory called public_html which is the root of webserver.
eg. /home/peasthope/public_html
You are probably free to create other directories beneath your home
eg. /home/peasthope/stuff
You have something you'd like to link to from webpage - the webpage
lives somewhere in public_html.
eg. /home/peasthope/public_html/index.html
Normally I would only serve files that live beneath public_html, and I
would/do use additional directories to make content management easier
(with static sites), using .htaccess files in each directory to control
what can be accessed.
Occasionally I might put some files in /home/peasthope/stuff and
soft-link them into public_html, just temporarily for testing purposes.
In your case you might be able to use that technique. You should then be
able to use LDAP to access the files in /home/peasthope/stuff - as long
as you don't change the name of the files, the soft-links will continue
to work as you change files.

Probably best if I reread your posts tomorrow when I'm less distracted -
I'm not sure I fully understand what you require.

> 
> This message comes to the Iceweasel error console.
> Security Error: Content at http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/#Links may not 
> load or link to file:///Category2.html.
> 
> Appears that the instructions for the Mozilla security policies are for the 
> case 
> where both the file URI link comes from the same machine as the browser runs 
> on.
> 
> Any better ideas to configure for my case where the file URI link is in 
> members.shaw.ca/peasthope and the browser is on dalton?

You can't. That I know of. The link cannot be relative. I can't think of
how to use an absolute link across your network (firewall, network
protocols etc).

Need. more. coffee. will read the referenced mozillazine...

> 
> Thanks,... Peter E.
> 

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Re: Subscription

On Saturday 11 June 2011 12:30:03 Steven wrote:
>  I would genuinely like to know how you can
>
> > use braille to read things on the Internet.
>
> They can use special hardware for that, it 'translates' the written text
> to a line of braille on a physical device. Googling "braille hardware
> gave me this link on top:
> http://www.indiana.edu/~iuadapts/technology/hardware/braille/index.html

Thanks - I had seen Braille input devices and Braille production devices, but 
never Braille output devices.

Lisi 


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Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read & filters not run on inbox

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:13:20 +0200, Nicolas Bercher wrote:

(...)

> However, I have two issues that might concern many people here that uses
> icedove and have yahoo mailboxes:
> 
>   1. Near every messages that arrive into inbox and are marked as read,
>   but not all of
> them.  This seems to be an imap side-problem: my account was freshly set
> up and I never saw this before with account from other imap providers
> (and of course I've check icedove config many times).

According to Wikipedia¹, it seems that Yahoo! provides a non-standard 
imap service so it can be hard to know what they are doing in the 
backstage. And AFAIK, message status (read, deleted, unread...) is stored 
on the server. 

I would first try to configure your imap account with another MUA to see 
if you get a different behaviour than with Icedove.

>   2. Mail filters I defined (on the icedove side) doesn't work
>   automatically (again, I've
> check configuration many times) and I have to run "alt-t r" to manually
> apply the filters on inbox.
>
> So, do you (smart people) see anything special here, have experience
> with yahoo imap and so on?

What kind of filters have you setup? Maybe they're what make the messages 
to be marked as read. The more specific you be, the better :-)

¹http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Mail#Free_IMAP_and_SMTPs_access

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broadcom

2011-06-11 Thread steef



hi list,

bought my self a hp mini-netbook, included windoze7 and a very strong accu, 10 
hours of life.


i put sid on an usb-stick, included fluxbox and wicd(-curses).

wifi = (lspci) brcm4313. (type 5.60.350.6)

loaded/installed the according the debian broadcom-  (broadcom 43xx wireless 
drivers)  -wiki convenient driver_firmware. the driver should be included in 
the sid_kernel, so i understood. however: this wifi_driver does not work.


my questions: what did i do wrong if anything (1) ?

and

broadcom assued a so-called xxx-STA driver (by google) somebody with some 
experience with this brcm4313 driver for linux (tar.gz) does this one work for 
my mini_netbook (2) ?


if i find a working driver i can get rid of w7.

regards,

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Re: Subscription

2011-06-11 Thread Stephen Powell

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:05:04 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 23:13 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:50:28 -0400 (EDT), "Morning Star" wrote:
>>> 
>>> i want to join this mailing lists because i have a question about debian.
>> 
>> See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ for instructions on how to subscribe.
> 
> It's bad that the Linux community tends to educate people with tons of
> redundant words, when they don't have a choice not to read it.
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ IMO would be the better link and if
> somebody already has subscribed and a subscription mail came through the
> list, this isn't fatal.
> 
> Dyslexia, braille and other reasons should be good enough to reduce the
> amount of words for basic information.
> 
> A thread with redundant words is ok, because everybody is free not to
> read it.
> 
> No rant ;), just 2 cents, since I'm a dyslexic and wonder about this
> Linux own issue. E.g. read a book to set up your boot loaders menu and
> now read a book about how to subscribe to a Debian mailing list.
> 
> I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I
> guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.

I was answering the question he asked, not the question he didn't ask.
Is it possible to use the list without subscribing?  Yes, it is.
But that's not what he asked.  He specifically said he wanted to
"join the list".  And I gave him a link to the instructions.

(OK, strictly speaking it was a statement, not a question.  The question
was implied.)

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Re: broadcom

2011-06-11 Thread Chris Brennan

* steef  [2011-06-11 15:32:00 +0200]:

> 
> hi list,
> 
> bought my self a hp mini-netbook, included windoze7 and a very strong accu, 
> 10 
> hours of life.

What's 'accu'?

> i put sid on an usb-stick, included fluxbox and wicd(-curses).
> 
> wifi = (lspci) brcm4313. (type 5.60.350.6)

Can you paste the whole line from lspci?

'lspci | grep 4313' should do (without the quotes)

> loaded/installed the according the debian broadcom-  (broadcom 43xx wireless 
> drivers)  -wiki convenient driver_firmware. the driver should be included in 
> the sid_kernel, so i understood. however: this wifi_driver does not work.

See below link.

> my questions: what did i do wrong if anything (1) ?

My question, what *did* you do? Can you be a little more specific about the
process you did follow?

> and
> 
> broadcom assued a so-called xxx-STA driver (by google) somebody with some 
> experience with this brcm4313 driver for linux (tar.gz) does this one work 
> for 
> my mini_netbook (2) ?

Link?

> if i find a working driver i can get rid of w7.

http://wiki.debian.org/wl is what I used on my HP laptop. I've actually had 
Debian 6 (Squeeze) installed on there for several months now and I *JUST* got 
wireless working
within the last few days, it was based on the above link that I got it working, 
it's
fairly straight-forward and your 4313 is listed (mine is a 4312).

One thing I do recommend, if you have a physical wifi switch, to toggle it 
after the 
new wl driver is loaded, that was the trick that got it working for me, once I 
did, it
turned blue and I immediately connected to my Router


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Re: Subscription

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 14:16 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Saturday 11 June 2011 13:12:25 shawn wilson wrote:
> > On Jun 11, 2011 5:27 AM, "Lisi"  wrote:
> > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor,
> > > > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
> > >
> > > I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
> > >
> > > My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all
> >
> > use
> >
> > > text to speech software.  Though the point about difficulty scanning
> > > still holds good.
> > >
> > > That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you
> >
> > can
> >
> > > use braille to read things on the Internet.
> >
> > Yeah, there are braille tablets with mechanical 'dots'. However they cost
> > some real money. Also as one who constantly brushes dust, skin, and hair
> > off my macbook, I have no idea how you'd keep one of those clean.
> 
> This:
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/shop/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?category=transcription_software&productID=HT10601
> was all I was able to find this side of the pond, and it claims only to be 
> able to translate word processor documents, not Internet pages.  Have you a 
> reference?

There's a daemon for Linux doing this. You can use braille even with, at
least older Debian installers. Here it is brltty
http://mielke.cc/brltty/ that's why I was thinking of w3m. Now I
understand what you was asking for :).


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Re: broadcom

2011-06-11 Thread teddieeb

Steef writes:

hi list,

bought my self a hp mini-netbook, included windoze7 and a very strong accu, 10
hours of life.

i put sid on an usb-stick, included fluxbox and wicd(-curses).

wifi = (lspci) brcm4313. (type 5.60.350.6)

loaded/installed the according the debian broadcom-  (broadcom 43xx wireless
drivers)  -wiki convenient driver_firmware. the driver should be included in
the sid_kernel, so i understood. however: this wifi_driver does not work.

my questions: what did i do wrong if anything (1) ?

and

broadcom assued a so-called xxx-STA driver (by google) somebody with some
experience with this brcm4313 driver for linux (tar.gz) does this one work for
my mini_netbook (2) ?

if i find a working driver i can get rid of w7.



Hi Stef;

My $.02...

Broadcoms can be incredible cards, hardware based and I have been able to do 
monitor/injection with them via tools like aireplay...

But, they can be very VERY finicky on Linux systems, I have had them not work, 
upon re-install, they work. I have had them work and all the sudden stop 
working, I fight the thing to the ground and wind up formatting again cursing 
the devices name.

What I'm getting at is they are hardware based cards, and quite the reverse of 
the WinModem days, though I don't fully understand why, the fact that they are 
hardware driven cards makes them incredibly hard to maintain on Linux. ...at 
least this is my experience.

My suggestion, pay $7 - $15 and get an Athros card, although technologically 
INFERIOR (software driven, equivalent to what WinModems were) they work 
incredibly well on Linux systems and get WORNDERFUL signal strength...

Helpful at all?
TeddyB

Re: open source time/expense tracking package?

On 11/06/11 11:10, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I've been looking high and low for  a simple time & expense tracking
> package that I can run on my (Debian) server, to support a small project
> team.  Can't seem to find anything but commercial web services (e.g.,
> clicktime).
> 
> So... Figured I'd ask and see if anyone here has found such a beast -
> packaged for Debian, obviously.
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Miles Fidelman
> 

Here's a comparison of some of the major suites/applications - you're
probably after the Open Source license ones:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_management_software

I suspect learning and configuring Open Project may be a larger project
than your project, but what you call small project I might call large.

How many users? Can you say more about the project?

I use Korganiser, Kplato and GnuCash. You probably won't need Gnucash as
Kplato can handle individual project finances.
I found Kplato and Korganiser needed a couple of days to learn - which
is a week or two less than some of the larger systems. I'm a slow learner.
For long term projects (site maintenance etc) I just customise CMS
MadeSimple to suit.
Some of the people I work with swear by eGroupware.

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Re: Subscription

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:22 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:05:04 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 23:13 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> >> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:50:28 -0400 (EDT), "Morning Star" wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> i want to join this mailing lists because i have a question about debian.
> >> 
> >> See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ for instructions on how to 
> >> subscribe.
> > 
> > It's bad that the Linux community tends to educate people with tons of
> > redundant words, when they don't have a choice not to read it.
> > 
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ IMO would be the better link and if
> > somebody already has subscribed and a subscription mail came through the
> > list, this isn't fatal.
> > 
> > Dyslexia, braille and other reasons should be good enough to reduce the
> > amount of words for basic information.
> > 
> > A thread with redundant words is ok, because everybody is free not to
> > read it.
> > 
> > No rant ;), just 2 cents, since I'm a dyslexic and wonder about this
> > Linux own issue. E.g. read a book to set up your boot loaders menu and
> > now read a book about how to subscribe to a Debian mailing list.
> > 
> > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I
> > guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
> 
> I was answering the question he asked, not the question he didn't ask.
> Is it possible to use the list without subscribing?  Yes, it is.
> But that's not what he asked.  He specifically said he wanted to
> "join the list".  And I gave him a link to the instructions.
> 
> (OK, strictly speaking it was a statement, not a question.  The question
> was implied.)

:)

IMO

Subscribe / Unsubscribe
Your email address:

doesn't need tons of text how to use it ;), so at least I would
recommend this link http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

I guess with some hours trail and error it should be possible to
subscribe, even by using this complicated thingy ;).

2 Cents,

Ralf


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Re: Can't install on an Intel iMac

2011-06-11 Thread Andreas Weber

On 2011-06-11 14:14, Mike Hore wrote:
> I've installed EFI to control which partition to boot off.

Do you mean http://refit.sourceforge.net/ ? You can't install EFI, it's
already on the machine like BIOS was on old hardware.

> There's a Wiki article about Intel Macs, but it talks about custom
> kernels and I don't want to go there.  I don't want a Windows partition,
> just Mac and Linux.  I'm getting nowhere -- I'd be grateful for any help!!

There are different approaches, but this one works 100 % almost always:

1. Install the MacOS.
2. Use BootCamp to downsize the Mac Partition or use the disk utility.
3. Install rEFIt on the Mac. Don't forget to run enable-always.sh.
4. Boot, choose the rEFIt partitioning tool, sync the MBR.
5. Insert the CD, reboot, press C.
6. Install Debian with kernel options 'nomodeset reboot=pci'.
7. Install Grub as proposed.
8. Finish the installation.
9. Reboot, choose the rEFIT partitioning tool, sync the MBR.
10. Reboot, pick whatever you want as OS in rEFIt.

If you like, define the default OS in the refit conf file under MacOS.

HTH, ändu

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Re: generating graphs

2011-06-11 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Maros Zilka wrote:

Hi,

I want to generate a graphs of CPU usage, temperatures etc ... and then
put them on the web page. Can you recommend me some good program for
this ? I know i can use Google or search packages but i want to know
your opinion what is the best.



You ean like this:
http://debian-oaxaca.blogspot.com/2011/06/blog-post.html

Hugo


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Re: [Debian 6] Unable to install Debian 6.0.1 - no supporting mirrors found

On 11/06/11 17:11, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Lisi wrote:
> 
>> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 07:57:17 +0100
>> From: Lisi 
>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Cc: Bret Busby 
>> Subject: Re: [Debian 6] Unable to install Debian 6.0.1 - no supporting
>> mirrors
>>  found
>> Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 06:57:38 + (UTC)
>> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>
>> On Saturday 11 June 2011 07:33:19 Bret Busby wrote:
>> [snip]>
>>> I have just switched back to the computer onto which the Debian 6.01
>>> amd64 version is to be installed (I have to disconnect the monitor from
>>> this computer, and connect it to the other computer, as the monitor that
>>> I had connected to it, appears temperamental, and the monitors are now
>>> apparently irreplaceable, with all new monitors now being the bodgy
>>> widescreen things),
>>
>> http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/dirresults.html?s=monitor%204:3&f=monitore%204:3
>>
>>
>> As you see, a large number of 4:3 monitors is still available in the
>> U.K..
>> Surely at least one of them is available in Australia??
>>
>> Lisi
>>
>>
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I had been basing the unavailability, on the mainstream retailers, where
> I have not seen 4:3 monitors, for many months (or a year or so), now.
> 
> Your message has caused me to do what I should have done long ago -
> search on the Internet, whereby I have found a number of used monitors
> that are available within Perth (the state capital) in Western Australia
> (the eastern states are thousands of miles away).
> 
> So, you have revived my hope in beaing able to buy another 4:3 TFT monitor.
> 
> Thank you for your assistance in this.
> 
> -- 
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> ..
> 
> "So once you do know what the question actually is,
>  you'll know what the answer means."
> - Deep Thought,
>   Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
>   "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
>   A Trilogy In Four Parts",
>   written by Douglas Adams,
>   published by Pan Books, 1992
> 
> 
> 
> 

Try "Charity Computers" at Mandurah Muscateers Mandurah
U2/ 3 Rafferty Rd Mandurah musc...@bigpond.net.au they get funding from
Microsoft and the Federal government (Digital Divide Project) to recycle
computers. You should be able to pick one up very cheaply. If you
recieve any sort of government payment (or know someone who does) you
can pick up a complete P4 for about $100 - just remove Windoof.

Alternatively you could just ask at your local LUG - mine always has
people giving away large, working pieces of kit. And given the $50+
charge to dispose of them - people tend to dump them outside Op shops -
which are not allowed to sell electrical item (so they like you taking
them).
There's also http://allclassifieds.com.au and the local tip... we try
and make a trip there just after Xmas, and the end of June, with a
screwdriver and a box full of anti-static bags. There's usually a
special area for computers and monitors - with strict rules about not
removing them (I feign blindness).

The last CRT rolled off the assembly line in 2009 from memory. Sony
Trinitrons in good nick are now worth more than when they were made. A
pair of 21" Trinitrons is great this time of year (in Canberra).

Cheers

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Re: Brightness control is dead after install Nvidia Drivers

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:11:08 +0100, Pedro Rodrigues wrote:

> I've just installed the Nvidia drivers on my Debian, however, after i do
> it, the laptop brightness control doesn't work anymore...

(...)

Hum... check out this thread:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1420341

Basically it says that you have add the following entry under Device 
section of "/etc/X11/xorg.conf":

Option "RegistryDwords" "EnableBrightnessControl=1″

Remember to restart the system to apply the changes (or just restart the 
X server).

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Re: [Debian 6] Unable to install Debian 6.0.1 - no supporting mirrors found

On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 00:58 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 11/06/11 17:11, Bret Busby wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Lisi wrote:
> > 
> >> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 07:57:17 +0100
> >> From: Lisi 
> >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >> Cc: Bret Busby 
> >> Subject: Re: [Debian 6] Unable to install Debian 6.0.1 - no supporting
> >> mirrors
> >>  found
> >> Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 06:57:38 + (UTC)
> >> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >>
> >> On Saturday 11 June 2011 07:33:19 Bret Busby wrote:
> >> [snip]>
> >>> I have just switched back to the computer onto which the Debian 6.01
> >>> amd64 version is to be installed (I have to disconnect the monitor from
> >>> this computer, and connect it to the other computer, as the monitor that
> >>> I had connected to it, appears temperamental, and the monitors are now
> >>> apparently irreplaceable, with all new monitors now being the bodgy
> >>> widescreen things),
> >>
> >> http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/dirresults.html?s=monitor%204:3&f=monitore%204:3
> >>
> >>
> >> As you see, a large number of 4:3 monitors is still available in the
> >> U.K..
> >> Surely at least one of them is available in Australia??
> >>
> >> Lisi
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > Hello.
> > 
> > I had been basing the unavailability, on the mainstream retailers, where
> > I have not seen 4:3 monitors, for many months (or a year or so), now.
> > 
> > Your message has caused me to do what I should have done long ago -
> > search on the Internet, whereby I have found a number of used monitors
> > that are available within Perth (the state capital) in Western Australia
> > (the eastern states are thousands of miles away).
> > 
> > So, you have revived my hope in beaing able to buy another 4:3 TFT monitor.
> > 
> > Thank you for your assistance in this.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bret Busby
> > Armadale
> > West Australia
> > ..
> > 
> > "So once you do know what the question actually is,
> >  you'll know what the answer means."
> > - Deep Thought,
> >   Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
> >   "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
> >   A Trilogy In Four Parts",
> >   written by Douglas Adams,
> >   published by Pan Books, 1992
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Try "Charity Computers" at Mandurah Muscateers Mandurah
> U2/ 3 Rafferty Rd Mandurah musc...@bigpond.net.au they get funding from
> Microsoft and the Federal government (Digital Divide Project) to recycle
> computers. You should be able to pick one up very cheaply. If you
> recieve any sort of government payment (or know someone who does) you
> can pick up a complete P4 for about $100 - just remove Windoof.
> 
> Alternatively you could just ask at your local LUG - mine always has
> people giving away large, working pieces of kit. And given the $50+
> charge to dispose of them - people tend to dump them outside Op shops -
> which are not allowed to sell electrical item (so they like you taking
> them).
> There's also http://allclassifieds.com.au and the local tip... we try
> and make a trip there just after Xmas, and the end of June, with a
> screwdriver and a box full of anti-static bags. There's usually a
> special area for computers and monitors - with strict rules about not
> removing them (I feign blindness).
> 
> The last CRT rolled off the assembly line in 2009 from memory. Sony
> Trinitrons in good nick are now worth more than when they were made. A
> pair of 21" Trinitrons is great this time of year (in Canberra).
> 
> Cheers

In Germany so called "Sperrmüll" (bulk garbage) once a month can be put
out to the siedwalks, at least in the Ruhrgebiet. I got very good
computer equipment from the bulg garbage, since nobody e.g. wishes to
have a very good large screen but short size CRT monitor, without any
defects, absolutely clean, or a very good keyboard, without folderol.
People prefer bad elcheapo displays from the supermarket, bad keyboards
with all kinds of remote folderol instead. Here in Germany it's easier
to get good computer equipment from the garbage, than brand new from a
supermarket. Most people use computers as a toy, they don't have any
usage, thy just need the toy with the highest numbers, e.g. better 8 GB
RAM, than 4 GB RAM for a 32-bit Windows without PAE :D.


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Re: x-terminal-emulator does not appear to accept comand line args

2011-06-11 Thread briand

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:32:16 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:18:35 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Of course. gnome-terminal.wrapper is created solely for
> > x-terminal-emulator use by gnome-core/gnome-terminal maintainer
> > Christian Marillat, and it tries to present a set of options more like
> > xterm, since x-terminal-emulator has decided on xterm-style options.
> > Emulating a single set of options where conflicts occur is a policy
> > decision, IIRC.
> 
> Ah... then it is intended so no bug here, right?
> 

But here's the problem 

man x-terminal-emulator brings up the man page for gnome-terminal.

the gnome-terminal man page says that --geometry=GEOMETRY is a valid option.

However, --geometry=GEOMETRY is NOT a valid option for x-terminal-emulator.

So there's a bug - maybe the bug is that it pulls up the wrong man page.

Brian


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Re: Configuring Iceweasel security policies.

On 11/06/11 06:38, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> From: peasth...@shaw.ca
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:24:32 -0800
>> Appears that the instructions for the Mozilla security policies are for the 
>> case 
>> where both the file URI link comes from the same machine as the browser runs 
>> on.
> 
> That was garbled.  This might make more sense.
> 
> Are the instructions for the Mozilla security policies for the case where the 
> page containing the file URI link and the page targeted are on the same 
> machine?
> 
> Any better ideas to configure for my case where the file URI link is in 
> members.shaw.ca/peasthope and the target page and browser are on dalton?
> 
> Thanks,... Peter E.
> 
> 
I'll have a think about that and try and get back to you tomorrow night.

http://pe...@members.shaw.ca/ (from your policy in the last post)
A login on a site with no authentication??

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Re: how to get to runlevel 3 (to install nvidia drivers)

On 11/06/11 19:16, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:56 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2011-06-11 10:30 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>
>>> On Vi, 10 iun 11, 15:09:49, Rohit Vaidya wrote:
 For NVidia driver installation the Xorg should not be kept running. 
>>>
>>> Why not? Using the Debian packages I never had any issues with that.
>>
>> The NVidia installer tries to load the kernel module when it's finished,
>> and any previous version has to be unloaded first which is not possible
>> when X is running.  There are some commandline options to override that
>> behavior, but by default the installer will abort if X is running.
>>
>> Sven
> 
> 
> *?* on Ubuntu it was possible to remove an old version and to add a new
> while running a DE. I suspect this is possible on Debian too?
> 
> 
> 

I sincerely doubt it. I'm referring to the proprietary nvidia drivers
installed using the proprietary installer. With Squeeze or later nouveau
will already be loaded so nvidia module will not load.

I usually edit grub during boot (append "nouveau.modeset=0"),
boot,
console login,
download the nvidia driver,
su to root,
#/etc/init.d/kdm stop (the nvidia installer will not run with x up)
locate the kernel version of gcc,
export the kernel version of gcc,
install the nvidia driver.
edit /etc/default/grub to append the nouveau disabling line
run update-grub to make change permanent
#/etc/init.d/kdm start;exit
done!
That's pretty much the way the debian wiki said to do it. It may have
changed recently. Best check before following my instructions.

I hear good things about nouveau - unfortunately my video cards are
Gforce2s, best supported with the proprietary driver.

I spent ten minutes trying to remove extraneous words from this post Ralf.
:-)

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Re: x-terminal-emulator does not appear to accept comand line args

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 08:13:20 -0700, briand wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:32:16 + (UTC) Camaleón 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:18:35 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> > Of course. gnome-terminal.wrapper is created solely for
>> > x-terminal-emulator use by gnome-core/gnome-terminal maintainer
>> > Christian Marillat, and it tries to present a set of options more
>> > like xterm, since x-terminal-emulator has decided on xterm-style
>> > options. Emulating a single set of options where conflicts occur is a
>> > policy decision, IIRC.
>> 
>> Ah... then it is intended so no bug here, right?
>> 
>> 
> But here's the problem
> 
> man x-terminal-emulator brings up the man page for gnome-terminal.

Well, "man x-terminal-emulator" opens the manual page for whatever 
application you have configured with update-alternatives. It can point to 
gnome-terminal.wrapper (a modified version of "gnome-terminal" compatible 
with xterm arguments), to gnome-terminal itself, to xterm...
 
> the gnome-terminal man page says that --geometry=GEOMETRY is a valid
> option.
> 
> However, --geometry=GEOMETRY is NOT a valid option for
> x-terminal-emulator.
> 
> So there's a bug - maybe the bug is that it pulls up the wrong man page.

I still don't think there is a bug ;-)

As I see, "gnome-terminal" and "gnome-terminal.wrapper" are different 
things aimed to different usages. But hey, if you think there is 
something wrong or that can be improved, just go ahead with the bug 
report.

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Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

On 11/06/11 20:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote:
>> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I
>>> guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
>>
>> I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
> 



> 
>> That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you 
>> can 
>> use braille to read things on the Internet.
> 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display


Literally interpreting your question
(I used to build machines for people with vision problems)

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Re: broadcom

2011-06-11 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Chris Brennan wrote:

* steef  [2011-06-11 15:32:00 +0200]:


hi list,

bought my self a hp mini-netbook, included windoze7 and a very strong accu, 10 
hours of life.


What's 'accu'?


Steef means 'battery'





i put sid on an usb-stick, included fluxbox and wicd(-curses).

wifi = (lspci) brcm4313. (type 5.60.350.6)


Can you paste the whole line from lspci?

'lspci | grep 4313' should do (without the quotes)

loaded/installed the according the debian broadcom-  (broadcom 43xx wireless 
drivers)  -wiki convenient driver_firmware. the driver should be included in 
the sid_kernel, so i understood. however: this wifi_driver does not work.


See below link.


my questions: what did i do wrong if anything (1) ?


My question, what *did* you do? Can you be a little more specific about the
process you did follow?


and

broadcom assued a so-called xxx-STA driver (by google) somebody with some 
experience with this brcm4313 driver for linux (tar.gz) does this one work for 
my mini_netbook (2) ?


Link?


if i find a working driver i can get rid of w7.


http://wiki.debian.org/wl is what I used on my HP laptop. I've actually had 
Debian 6 (Squeeze) installed on there for several months now and I *JUST* got wireless working

within the last few days, it was based on the above link that I got it working, 
it's
fairly straight-forward and your 4313 is listed (mine is a 4312).

One thing I do recommend, if you have a physical wifi switch, to toggle it after the 
new wl driver is loaded, that was the trick that got it working for me, once I did, it

turned blue and I immediately connected to my Router





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Re: Debian Questions on apt-get

2011-06-11 Thread Paul E Condon

On 20110611_074343, Lisi wrote:
> On Saturday 11 June 2011 00:41:10 Rob Owens wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:21:41AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> > > packages. I'm actually looking for a simple comand line entry for apt
> > > to list all the available packages for a system, rather than directly
> > > parsing /var/lib/dpkg/available, but this is not it.
> >
> > Does this do what you want?
> >
> > aptitude search '!~i'
> 
> This gave me a list of packages that I do not have installed.  Surely "!" 
> equals "not"?
> 
> aptitude search '~i' , on the other hand, gave me a long list of things that 
> I 
> have got installed.
> 
> Lisi

"Available" can mean available from a Debian managed repository, which
probably includes all the installed packages on your machine and all
that you have not installed as well. To get the complete list use '~T'

OT: while checking my memory on this, I noticed a plaintive question
from 2007 about the "Aptitude Reference Manual" which seemed to be
mentioned in Debian documentation but seemed not to exist. My quick
search indicates that this situation still exists in 2011. The
aptitude man page references 'Aptitude Reference Manual' but I get no
hits for that string while searching www.debian.org, or googling the
general web (other than questions about where to find it, over the years).

I did find 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_the_aptitude_regex_formula
which contains a long list of aptitude regex formulae. 

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Re: open source time/expense tracking package?

2011-06-11 Thread Miles Fidelman


Thanks for the suggestions.  So far

sillaj:  too simple

dotproject: seems like it might be buried in there, but way too complex, 
undocumented, the demo is down, ...


opentimetool:  looks like it might do the trick - unfortunately, I can't 
read German, and both the English documentation and demo are sketchy.  
Guido - since you indicated that you're using it in production,  you us 
it - can you tell me if it provides for timesheet approval by a supervisor?


It really is funny - I've gone through the wikipedia lists, as well as a 
lot of other lists of "10 best open source project management tools" and 
such --- you'd think that with all the folks who do various kinds of 
project-oriented work there's be something out there that does basic 
corporate-style time-sheet processing, you know:

- enter your time data by project
- submit at the end of the week
- supervisor approval
- export in a form that can be ingested by quickbooks or some other 
accounting/billing package

- keep an audit trail (or at least a basic log)

Fairly simple-minded vis-a-vis project management software, but seems to 
be hard (impossible?) to find - except in commercial products or 
services.  (Plus a few "pretend open-source" things out there - i.e., 
really crippled community versions of commercial products.)


Pieces of this also exist as Drupal and Wordpress plug-ins - but no cigar.

Sigh... might have to write one.  Seems like a natural for some form of 
forms/workflow engine that provides spreadsheet functionality - any 
suggestions there?


Miles



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Re: Debian Questions on apt-get

2011-06-11 Thread Rob Owens

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 07:43:43AM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Saturday 11 June 2011 00:41:10 Rob Owens wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:21:41AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> > > packages. I'm actually looking for a simple comand line entry for apt
> > > to list all the available packages for a system, rather than directly
> > > parsing /var/lib/dpkg/available, but this is not it.
> >
> > Does this do what you want?
> >
> > aptitude search '!~i'
> 
> This gave me a list of packages that I do not have installed.  Surely "!" 
> equals "not"?
> 
> aptitude search '~i' , on the other hand, gave me a long list of things that 
> I 
> have got installed.
> 
Yes, but Nico is looking for "all available packages", which I took to
mean "available for me to install".  That's why I excluded the
already-installed ones.  But now that you've caused me to take a second
look, I wonder if he wants a list of all packages, installed or not.

-Rob


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Re: Debian Questions on apt-get

2011-06-11 Thread Rob Owens

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:05:16AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 20110611_074343, Lisi wrote:
> > On Saturday 11 June 2011 00:41:10 Rob Owens wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:21:41AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> > > > packages. I'm actually looking for a simple comand line entry for apt
> > > > to list all the available packages for a system, rather than directly
> > > > parsing /var/lib/dpkg/available, but this is not it.
> > >
> > > Does this do what you want?
> > >
> > > aptitude search '!~i'
> > 
> > This gave me a list of packages that I do not have installed.  Surely "!" 
> > equals "not"?
> > 
> > aptitude search '~i' , on the other hand, gave me a long list of things 
> > that I 
> > have got installed.
> > 
> > Lisi
> 
> "Available" can mean available from a Debian managed repository, which
> probably includes all the installed packages on your machine and all
> that you have not installed as well. To get the complete list use '~T'
> 
> OT: while checking my memory on this, I noticed a plaintive question
> from 2007 about the "Aptitude Reference Manual" which seemed to be
> mentioned in Debian documentation but seemed not to exist. My quick
> search indicates that this situation still exists in 2011. The
> aptitude man page references 'Aptitude Reference Manual' but I get no
> hits for that string while searching www.debian.org, or googling the
> general web (other than questions about where to find it, over the years).
> 
> I did find 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_the_aptitude_regex_formula
> which contains a long list of aptitude regex formulae. 
> 
I found this:
http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html

-Rob


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Re: open source time/expense tracking package?

2011-06-11 Thread John A. Sullivan III

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 11:58 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions.  So far
> 
> sillaj:  too simple
> 
> dotproject: seems like it might be buried in there, but way too complex, 
> undocumented, the demo is down, ...
> 
> opentimetool:  looks like it might do the trick - unfortunately, I can't 
> read German, and both the English documentation and demo are sketchy.  
> Guido - since you indicated that you're using it in production,  you us 
> it - can you tell me if it provides for timesheet approval by a supervisor?
> 
> It really is funny - I've gone through the wikipedia lists, as well as a 
> lot of other lists of "10 best open source project management tools" and 
> such --- you'd think that with all the folks who do various kinds of 
> project-oriented work there's be something out there that does basic 
> corporate-style time-sheet processing, you know:
> - enter your time data by project
> - submit at the end of the week
> - supervisor approval
> - export in a form that can be ingested by quickbooks or some other 
> accounting/billing package
> - keep an audit trail (or at least a basic log)
> 
> Fairly simple-minded vis-a-vis project management software, but seems to 
> be hard (impossible?) to find - except in commercial products or 
> services.  (Plus a few "pretend open-source" things out there - i.e., 
> really crippled community versions of commercial products.)
> 
> Pieces of this also exist as Drupal and Wordpress plug-ins - but no cigar.
> 
> Sigh... might have to write one.  Seems like a natural for some form of 
> forms/workflow engine that provides spreadsheet functionality - any 
> suggestions there?

>From my brief foray into it, I think you are right.  The web2project
demo is up and looks just like dotProject only much faster - to the
point we may consider converting.  It will give you a feel for what
either of those projects can do.  It is really more project management
than timesheet management.  Good luck and let us know the final result -
John



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Re: [OT] Bad characters on e-mail headers (was iceape 1.0.9 and IPv6 compatibility)

On 11/06/11 22:04, Camaleón wrote:
> El 11/06/11 13:07, Scott Ferguson escribió:
>> On 11/06/11 03:57, �  "the dark oracle" wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 03:01:36 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>>>
 On 11/06/11 01:02, � "the dark oracle" wrote:
>>>
>> 

> 
> I asked you to test this because of this:
> 
> Wheezy, Icedove with utf-8 encoded folder:
> http://picpaste.com/Pantallazo-fOOZ92HP.png
> 
> Wheezy, Icedove with iso-8859-1 encoded folder (this is the default):
> http://picpaste.com/pics/Pantallazo-1-wcCjXhKb.1307792270.png
> 
> You see? 

Yes

> I also get the black diamond but *only* when I force a utf-8
> encoding for the folder it contains the messages and click on "apply
> default to all messages in the folder..." :-)
> 
> So... what is your default character encoding for the mail folders in
> Icedove?

UTF-8

> 
>> I'm wondering if my use of localepurge and only the one locale
>> LANG="en_AU.UTF-8" LANGUAGE="en_AU:en" might be part of the problem.
>> To that end I'm reading up on locales and character encoding in Debian -
>> I'll then try a few variations in a VirtualBox machine, including trying
>> another email agent. It'll probably take a couple of days to find the
>> time - but I'll post my results when I resolve the issue.
> 
> Have you tried to load the offending message under Evolution or another
> MUA? If another e-mail client also loads the wrong character, you may be
> facing a system locale mess. If Evo loads it fine, then Icedove is the
> one to blame which ineed was my first suspect ;-)

Yes. (just now). Kmail.
http://ge.tt/8IXUX15
0-1 = Kmail
3 & 4 is Icedove

> 
>>> (put drums here)
>>
>> ??
> 
> He, he... It was a kind of drum taps announcing an event :-)


Ah. I thought it was roadie humour (put riser here).

How about:-
[drumroll]
:-)

> 
> Greetings,
> 

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Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

2011-06-11 Thread Anthony Campbell

On 11 Jun 2011, darkestkhan wrote:
> 
> Maybe it is time for big revolution in English language of XXI century
> - the revival of pronoun "one".
> For one thing, I'm still encountering pronoun "one", and it is quite
> often, so I wouldn't be so hasty to this judgment of effective death
> (though it may be caused by wandering in strange dark corners of
> Internet).
> 
> darkestkhan

I think the avoidance of 'one' is mainly an American usage. In British
English it is used quite frequently, In fact, there is a long-standing
joke about the tendency of members of the Royal Family, especially
Prince Charles, to say 'one' instead of 'I'.  


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Re: Debian Questions on apt-get

On Sb, 11 iun 11, 10:05:16, Paul E Condon wrote:
> 
> OT: while checking my memory on this, I noticed a plaintive question
> from 2007 about the "Aptitude Reference Manual" which seemed to be
> mentioned in Debian documentation but seemed not to exist. My quick
> search indicates that this situation still exists in 2011. The
> aptitude man page references 'Aptitude Reference Manual' but I get no
> hits for that string while searching www.debian.org, or googling the
> general web (other than questions about where to find it, over the years).

apt-cache show aptitude-doc-en

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Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read & filters not run on inbox

2011-06-11 Thread Nicolas Bercher


On 10/06/2011 22:55, PaulNM wrote:

On 06/10/2011 04:13 PM, Nicolas Bercher wrote:

Hi,
  1. Near every messages that arrive into inbox and are marked as read,
but not all of them.  This seems to be an imap side-problem: my account
was freshly set up and I never saw this before with account from other
imap providers (and of course I've check icedove config many times).



Are you sure nothing else is reading the messages?  I don't have yahoo
imap, but I know that if I read the messages on my phone, they'll show
up as read the next time I check in Thunderbird.


OK, maybe you point out something interesting here: since I have the strong feeling that 
yahoo imap status is between alpha and beta (somehow confirmed by Camaleón on this 
thread), I used to keep alive the pop3 access for the same yahoo account on the same 
icedove profile.  Maybe the pop3 side config in fetching e-mails, leaving them on the 
server, etc. has an effect on the imap side.


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Re: [OT] Bad characters on e-mail headers (was iceape 1.0.9 and IPv6 compatibility)

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 02:20:17 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

> On 11/06/11 22:04, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> I also get the black diamond but *only* when I force a utf-8 encoding
>> for the folder it contains the messages and click on "apply default to
>> all messages in the folder..." :-)
>> 
>> So... what is your default character encoding for the mail folders in
>> Icedove?
> 
> UTF-8

Sure? :-)

Follow the instructions I provided earlier and switch to "western 
european (iso-8859-1)", then click on the "apply default to all messages 
in the folder..." and finally click "OK". That should do the trick or at 
least it does in my case.

>> Have you tried to load the offending message under Evolution or another
>> MUA? If another e-mail client also loads the wrong character, you may
>> be facing a system locale mess. If Evo loads it fine, then Icedove is
>> the one to blame which ineed was my first suspect ;-)
> 
> Yes. (just now). Kmail.
> http://ge.tt/8IXUX15
> 0-1 = Kmail

You mean "0-2 = Kmail" ;-)

Anyway, I can't see anything from that images. We need to see the message 
window list where the name of the sender is displayed not the body of the 
message.

> 3 & 4 is Icedove

Okay, but I was not referring to that setting.

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Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read & filters not run on inbox

2011-06-11 Thread Nicolas Bercher

On 11/06/2011 15:35, Camaleón wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:13:20 +0200, Nicolas Bercher wrote:

(...)

However, I have two issues that might concern many people here that uses
icedove and have yahoo mailboxes:

1. Near every messages that arrive into inbox and are marked as read,
but not all of
them. This seems to be an imap side-problem: my account was freshly set
up and I never saw this before with account from other imap providers
(and of course I've check icedove config many times).

According to Wikipedia¹, it seems that Yahoo! provides a non-standard
imap service so it can be hard to know what they are doing in the
backstage. And AFAIK, message status (read, deleted, unread...) is stored
on the server.
I will try another MUA, right after disabling pop3 access on this same account under the
same icedove profile (see my other mail in this thread).

What kind of filters have you setup? Maybe they're what make the messages
to be marked as read. The more specific you be, the better :-)
I basically use filters for mailing lists sorting. So the filters are of the form "if
from, to, cc or bcc equals debian-user@lists.debian.org then move message to folder
debian-user".

The tests I have to do will maybe span a few hours/days in order to verify if all is ok or
not. Stay tuned eventually.

Thanks,
Nicolas

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Re: x-terminal-emulator does not appear to accept comand line args

On Sb, 11 iun 11, 15:40:36, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> As I see, "gnome-terminal" and "gnome-terminal.wrapper" are different 
> things aimed to different usages. But hey, if you think there is 
> something wrong or that can be improved, just go ahead with the bug 
> report.

I would file a minor bug to add something like this in the manpage:

Note: on Debian systems, if you start gnome-terminal via the 
x-terminal-emulator symlink using the alternatives system, the long 
options described in this manual will not work. Instead you will have to 
use single-dash xterm-like options.

(feel free to (re)use the text above if you think it's useful ;)

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Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 01:42 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 11/06/11 20:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> >> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>> I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor, I
> >>> guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
> >>
> >> I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> >> That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you 
> >> can 
> >> use braille to read things on the Internet.
> > 
> 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display

The issue with braille seems to be, that the browser needs to be text
based, some minutes ago a blind man at Linux audio users list mentioned,
that he can't handle flash with his text based browsers, so I guess he's
using brltty daemon. This flash thingy was only for playing a song. IMO
all those java and flash stuff should be baned, if not really needed. I
like to watch youtube, a blind person surely won't watch videos, so it's
okay to use more than just HTML for this usage, but apart from that
nobody really needs all that folderol. Does anybody watch intro videos
on homepages? I always hope that the skip button does his job.

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Re: Subscription

On 11/06/11 23:16, Lisi wrote:
> On Saturday 11 June 2011 13:12:25 shawn wilson wrote:
>> On Jun 11, 2011 5:27 AM, "Lisi"  wrote:
>>> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor,
 I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
>>>
>>> My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all
>>
>> use
>>
>>> text to speech software.  Though the point about difficulty scanning
>>> still holds good.
>>>
>>> That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you
>>
>> can
>>
>>> use braille to read things on the Internet.
>>
>> Yeah, there are braille tablets with mechanical 'dots'. However they cost
>> some real money. Also as one who constantly brushes dust, skin, and hair
>> off my macbook, I have no idea how you'd keep one of those clean.

I've seen one made by Nokia that was wipeable - most of the haptic
devices are easy to clean.
NOTE: the haptic devices are very cool and allow you to feel images!

> 
> This:
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/shop/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?category=transcription_software&productID=HT10601
> was all I was able to find this side of the pond, and it claims only to be 
> able to translate word processor documents, not Internet pages.  Have you a 
> reference?  
> 
> I have also found this:
> http://www.tabletedia.com/news/1113.html
> but that refers to the future.
> 
>> This is about 80% OT but you asked. I'm also sure that Google can get you
>> more reliable info on this topic than I. Hopefully if you design software
>> or web pages, you'll consider how you'd use it without eyes.
> 
> We are a long way from web sites designed with blind people in mind.  Most 
> are 
> designed without consideration even for the partially sighted!

*cough* some of us do design websites the blind and visually handicapped
in mindit's just not noticed by those with normal vision. (sigh) ;-p
All of my sites are built with the visually handicapped in mind - they
must be navigable and intelligible with Lynx, that overpriced p.i.t.a.
JAWS - and the decent screen readers, braille displays as well. Even
harder is allowing for colour vision impaired (but doable) and ensuring
those that are (merely) vision impaired can navigate and access the
information with screen magnifiers. That also means ensuring that it's
easy to "tab" though contents, skip menus - all that has to be possible
as both a full screen layout and on mobile devices.
Then we have make sure that all browsers can display it as both large
screen and mobile (ie6 included). Technically I'm bad because I don't
use image tags - my sightless site testers had the same complaint Ralf
had about un-necessary words - so I try and just ensure the name is
instructive eg. cow_picture.png except in the rare circumstance that a
site requires a detailed description of a graphic for the
non-graphically orientated.
With many government clients these things are mandated in the contract -
with corporate clients it's just sensible. Despite what many of the web
"designeers" I hear from will tell you - failing to support the visually
handicapped or those using IE6 means locking can mean losing business.
I don't usually plug my business - and I'm certainly not a rarity
amongst designers - I know many who do a much better job than I.
Feel free to ask for a link.

> 
> Lisi
> 
> 

>From my point of view debian.org is very well designed. Kudo to the
designer/s.

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Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

On Sb, 11 iun 11, 11:13:50, darkestkhan wrote:
> 
> Maybe it is time for big revolution in English language of XXI century
> - the revival of pronoun "one".
> For one thing, I'm still encountering pronoun "one", and it is quite
> often, so I wouldn't be so hasty to this judgment of effective death
> (though it may be caused by wandering in strange dark corners of
> Internet).

+1

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Re: broadcom

On 12/06/11 00:27, Chris Brennan wrote:
> * steef  [2011-06-11 15:32:00 +0200]:
> 
>>
>> hi list,
>>
>> bought my self a hp mini-netbook, included windoze7 and a very strong accu, 
>> 10 
>> hours of life.
> 
> What's 'accu'?
> 

A dutch battery (they have wooden shoes, called clogs)


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Re: [Debian 6] Unable to install Debian 6.0.1 - no supporting mirrors found

On 12/06/11 01:11, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 00:58 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 11/06/11 17:11, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Lisi wrote:
>>>
 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 07:57:17 +0100
 From: Lisi 
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Cc: Bret Busby 
 Subject: Re: [Debian 6] Unable to install Debian 6.0.1 - no supporting
 mirrors
  found
 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 06:57:38 + (UTC)
 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

 On Saturday 11 June 2011 07:33:19 Bret Busby wrote:
 [snip]>
> I have just switched back to the computer onto which the Debian 6.01
> amd64 version is to be installed (I have to disconnect the monitor from
> this computer, and connect it to the other computer, as the monitor that
> I had connected to it, appears temperamental, and the monitors are now
> apparently irreplaceable, with all new monitors now being the bodgy
> widescreen things),


> 
> In Germany so called "Sperrmüll" (bulk garbage) once a month can be put
> out to the siedwalks, at least in the Ruhrgebiet. I got very good
> computer equipment from the bulg garbage, since nobody e.g. wishes to
> have a very good large screen but short size CRT monitor, without any
> defects, absolutely clean, or a very good keyboard, without folderol.
> People prefer bad elcheapo displays from the supermarket, bad keyboards
> with all kinds of remote folderol instead. Here in Germany it's easier
> to get good computer equipment from the garbage, than brand new from a
> supermarket. Most people use computers as a toy, they don't have any
> usage, thy just need the toy with the highest numbers, e.g. better 8 GB
> RAM, than 4 GB RAM for a 32-bit Windows without PAE :D.
> 
> 


Yeah - same here, more computer "consumers" than computer "user". Every
6 to 12 months they buy another one to turn into a worm farm.
Best thing about Debian is that new software gives new life to old
hardware. Classic example is the IBM Thinkpad T22 w. 256MB of RAM I put
Squeeze KDE on yesterday - even with minimal trimming it's still quicker
than a very recent Toshiba running Windoof 7 under multi-GBs  of RAM
that I was shown today - (the proud owner didn't understand my lack of
enthusiasm for the ground breaking technology that allowed her multiple
desktops!).

Cheers


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Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 17:33 +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 11 Jun 2011, darkestkhan wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe it is time for big revolution in English language of XXI century
> > - the revival of pronoun "one".
> > For one thing, I'm still encountering pronoun "one", and it is quite
> > often, so I wouldn't be so hasty to this judgment of effective death
> > (though it may be caused by wandering in strange dark corners of
> > Internet).
> > 
> > darkestkhan
> 
> I think the avoidance of 'one' is mainly an American usage. In British
> English it is used quite frequently, In fact, there is a long-standing
> joke about the tendency of members of the Royal Family, especially
> Prince Charles, to say 'one' instead of 'I'.  

In my case, my English simply is broken. 'One' was for 'somebody' not
for 'I'. Btw. I can't believe that it's possible to translate Hegel to
English, since it's disputed what his message is. His individual German
already needs translation into regular German. So somebody first has to
be sure what Hegel wants to say, before he will be able to translate
him. Very strange, resp. dubious, there are translations of Hegel:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel/
http://www.hegel.org/index.html

Anyway, German is a very strange language and as a German native speaker
with a large vocabulary and no gift for languages, my translations are
sometimes similar to http://babelfish.yahoo.com/

"Don't Panic" (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy)

Ralf





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Re: [OT] Bad characters on e-mail headers [Solved]

On 12/06/11 02:38, � wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 02:20:17 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> 
>> On 11/06/11 22:04, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> (...)
> 
>>> I also get the black diamond but *only* when I force a utf-8 encoding
>>> for the folder it contains the messages and click on "apply default to
>>> all messages in the folder..." :-)
>>>
>>> So... what is your default character encoding for the mail folders in
>>> Icedove?
>>
>> UTF-8
> 
> Sure? :-)

Yes - which, given the above explanation, explains why I see the black
diamond.

> 
> Follow the instructions I provided earlier and switch to "western 
> european (iso-8859-1)", then click on the "apply default to all messages
> in the folder..." and finally click "OK". That should do the trick or at 
> least it does in my case.
[drumroll and rimshot]
And it does in mine! - when I apply it to the sub-folder of my Inbox to
which all messages from debian-user are moved by tonequilla.

Strangely it does not work with the sub-folder I created yesterday, and
copied some emails in with. Go figure.

> 
>>> Have you tried to load the offending message under Evolution or another
>>> MUA? If another e-mail client also loads the wrong character, you may
>>> be facing a system locale mess. If Evo loads it fine, then Icedove is
>>> the one to blame which ineed was my first suspect ;-)
>>
>> Yes. (just now). Kmail.
>> http://ge.tt/8IXUX15
>> 0-1 = Kmail

The email I tried in Kmail was one I "saved" from Icedove - perhaps
Icedove modified it? Whether viewed in utf-8 or iso-8859-1.



Thank you muchly!
I'm still going to have to study up on character encoding and locales,
but my debian-user emails now display as they should (and you've lost a
cool icon!).

Greatly appreciated.

Cheers

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Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

2011-06-11 Thread Philipp Überbacher

Excerpts from Lisi's message of 2011-06-11 12:43:23 +0200:
> On Saturday 11 June 2011 11:07:36 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:27 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > > On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor,
> > > > I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
> > >
> > > I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
> >
> > I've got good eyes and don't have braille ;). But I'm a dyslexic.
> 
> You misunderstood my question.  "You" in English, in addition to being the 
> second person plural and singular pronoun, is also the third person singular 
> indefinate pronoun equivalent to the French "on".  You (second person 
> singular) said  "I guess using braille, people have to read much more 
> irrelevant stuff" and I asked how on earth these putative people, using 
> braille to read things on the Internet, did so.  I cannot see how anyone uses 
> braille on the Internet, so I asked you (second person singular) how such a 
> person would do so.

Reading web pages with a braille display is a matter of using a text
browser, there are a number of those available on Linux.

Regards,
Philipp


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Re: Subscription

On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 02:54 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 11/06/11 23:16, Lisi wrote:
> > On Saturday 11 June 2011 13:12:25 shawn wilson wrote:
> >> On Jun 11, 2011 5:27 AM, "Lisi"  wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 11 June 2011 10:05:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>  I've good luck, because I can skip a lot when watching at the monitor,
>  I guess using braille, people have to read much more irrelevant stuff.
> >>>
> >>> I'm fascinated.  How do you read braille from a monitor??!
> >>>
> >>> My blind friends (even one who can read Braille at a phenomenal rate) all
> >>
> >> use
> >>
> >>> text to speech software.  Though the point about difficulty scanning
> >>> still holds good.
> >>>
> >>> That is not sarcasm incidentally.  I would genuinely like to know how you
> >>
> >> can
> >>
> >>> use braille to read things on the Internet.
> >>
> >> Yeah, there are braille tablets with mechanical 'dots'. However they cost
> >> some real money. Also as one who constantly brushes dust, skin, and hair
> >> off my macbook, I have no idea how you'd keep one of those clean.
> 
> I've seen one made by Nokia that was wipeable - most of the haptic
> devices are easy to clean.
> NOTE: the haptic devices are very cool and allow you to feel images!
> 
> > 
> > This:
> > http://www.rnib.org.uk/shop/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?category=transcription_software&productID=HT10601
> > was all I was able to find this side of the pond, and it claims only to be 
> > able to translate word processor documents, not Internet pages.  Have you a 
> > reference?  
> > 
> > I have also found this:
> > http://www.tabletedia.com/news/1113.html
> > but that refers to the future.
> > 
> >> This is about 80% OT but you asked. I'm also sure that Google can get you
> >> more reliable info on this topic than I. Hopefully if you design software
> >> or web pages, you'll consider how you'd use it without eyes.
> > 
> > We are a long way from web sites designed with blind people in mind.  Most 
> > are 
> > designed without consideration even for the partially sighted!
> 
> *cough* some of us do design websites the blind and visually handicapped
> in mindit's just not noticed by those with normal vision. (sigh) ;-p
> All of my sites are built with the visually handicapped in mind - they
> must be navigable and intelligible with Lynx, that overpriced p.i.t.a.
> JAWS - and the decent screen readers, braille displays as well. Even
> harder is allowing for colour vision impaired (but doable) and ensuring
> those that are (merely) vision impaired can navigate and access the
> information with screen magnifiers. That also means ensuring that it's
> easy to "tab" though contents, skip menus - all that has to be possible
> as both a full screen layout and on mobile devices.
> Then we have make sure that all browsers can display it as both large
> screen and mobile (ie6 included). Technically I'm bad because I don't
> use image tags - my sightless site testers had the same complaint Ralf
> had about un-necessary words - so I try and just ensure the name is
> instructive eg. cow_picture.png except in the rare circumstance that a
> site requires a detailed description of a graphic for the
> non-graphically orientated.
> With many government clients these things are mandated in the contract -
> with corporate clients it's just sensible. Despite what many of the web
> "designeers" I hear from will tell you - failing to support the visually
> handicapped or those using IE6 means locking can mean losing business.
> I don't usually plug my business - and I'm certainly not a rarity
> amongst designers - I know many who do a much better job than I.
> Feel free to ask for a link.

Sometimes the ignorance is funny. In my hometown there was a pharmacy
where people only could go in by stairs. You only needed to have a
sporting injury and couldn't go in. At least the target group should be
satisfied.

"With many government clients these things are mandated in the contract"
this should be taken for granted.

Cheers!

Ralf


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Re: x-terminal-emulator does not appear to accept comand line args

On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:47:09 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Sb, 11 iun 11, 15:40:36, Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>> As I see, "gnome-terminal" and "gnome-terminal.wrapper" are different
>> things aimed to different usages. But hey, if you think there is
>> something wrong or that can be improved, just go ahead with the bug
>> report.
> 
> I would file a minor bug to add something like this in the manpage:
> 
> 
> Note: on Debian systems, if you start gnome-terminal via the
> x-terminal-emulator symlink using the alternatives system, the long
> options described in this manual will not work. Instead you will have to
> use single-dash xterm-like options.
> 
> 
> (feel free to (re)use the text above if you think it's useful ;)

Agree. 

I would even expand the information on what the "gnome-terminal.wrapper" 
is about and why a user may need it (use cases). Maybe it can deserve a 
dedicated "man gnome-terminal.wrapper" so the author can be more verbose 
here.

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Sony Vaio VPC EE47FB Moved from Squeeze to Sid to get touchpad working

2011-06-11 Thread Leonardo Ruoso

I installed Squeeze amd64 on a Sony Vaio VPC-EE47FB and got a non working
touchpad.

Before trying anything else I upgraded to sid and everything worked OOTB.

I use sid anyway (just used a squeeze dvd to install the system), but I
think new laptop owners are somewhat forced to do that to get it working.

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Re: Linux for humans that differ to averaged people was - Re: Subscription

2011-06-11 Thread consul tores

2011/6/11 Anthony Campbell :
> On 11 Jun 2011, darkestkhan wrote:
>>
>> Maybe it is time for big revolution in English language of XXI century
>> - the revival of pronoun "one".
>> For one thing, I'm still encountering pronoun "one", and it is quite
>> often, so I wouldn't be so hasty to this judgment of effective death
>> (though it may be caused by wandering in strange dark corners of
>> Internet).
>>
>> darkestkhan
>
> I think the avoidance of 'one' is mainly an American usage. In British
> English it is used quite frequently, In fact, there is a long-standing
> joke about the tendency of members of the Royal Family, especially
> Prince Charles, to say 'one' instead of 'I'.
>
>
> --
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Anthony

You might mean USian, it seems that in Canada is usually used.


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Re: Re: How to get Bell Canada 3G USB network up?

2011-06-11 Thread Christian Jaeger

>> option                 12918  2
>> usb_wwan                6147  1 option
>> usbserial              21120  7 option,usb_wwan
>>
>
> I am worried about this 'usb_wwan', it seems to do exactly what 'option' is
> supposed to do. rmmod usb_wwan ? Is it nm doing this ?

As you can see from the lsmod output, usb_wwan is required by option.

>>> I suggest that you go back to the beginning, probably a clean, fresh
>>> install of
>>> Squeeze, stick the modem in and see what happens. Or a live cd, or, ..

So I've done that now (fresh squeeze install on my netbook). It's just
like in the Ubuntu live system: the modem is being recognized and
usb-modeswitched out of the box (some of the times), configuring the
country/provider makes it work, but same story: (1) half the times I
plug in the modem, it won't work at all (modeswitching works and it
shows up in the nm menu, but choosing 'activate' just spins for a
couple seconds but does nothing); (2) if (1) worked, then just as with
my hand hacked older Debian setup, after 20 seconds it will loose
connection about in half of the cases.

BTW lately I've cared to observe the exact moment when it 'crashes'.
It is 20 seconds after connection initiation and really exactly when
it switches from "U" (umts) to "H" (HSPA).

> The modeswitching is just the first stage, a very annoying hurdle, it has
> nothing to do with connecting.

Yes I know, but as I've described, there must be *something* in the
way that Debian's/Ubuntus builtin usbmodeswitch works that leaves the
modem nonworkable in half the cases. Whereas with my own modeswitching
script that's never an issue.

> ( but indeed, if it does not work it "won't
> allow you to connect" although that sounds confused to me. )

(To help explain what I wrote above:

* the modem LED is off after plugging it into the USB port and before
usb modeswitching happens
* after the mode switch runs, the modem LED is blinking in blue
(sometimes it inserts a lone blink in green between the blue ones, no
idea what it means)
* when the modem is connected, the modem LED is lighting up in constant blue
* when there has been traffic, the modem LED color changes to green,
orange, yellow or purple (I don't know what these colors mean, it
might indicate the network speed), but it stays lit up constantly
* when the modem is disconnected (either on purpose through the nm
menu, or when I move to a place with no network coverage (metro), or
when it ' 'crashes' at the 20 second point), it goes back to blue
blinking

Thus I can see when the usb mode switch happened because I see the
blue blinking. Which the fresh Debian install / Ubuntu live system do
100% of the time; only, in what seems to be exactly half of the cases,
choosing connect from the nm menu (which I have to do, I haven't
configured nm to connect automatically) will not bring the connection
up. Which I can see both because nm just goes back to disconnected
state after a couple seconds, and the modem never goes from blinking
to constantly lit mode.)

>
> The second stage is the loading of the proper module which makes the device
> accessible. ( presence of /dev/ttyUSB* )
>
> Now we can 'talk' to this thing. It works like an old fashioned
> telephoneline-modem with 'AT-' commands, we can tell it to 'dial',
> disconnect, scan for available networks, measure signalstrength etc.
> One might use 'minicom' to play with it.

Yeah I know, I used those a bit in the old 56k telephone modem times.
But I haven't really tried to find a command list for 3G modems.

(Also, I'm not sure what to do: how would I bring ppp up in such a
manual scenario, i.e. from minicom? Also, in the old times, once ppp
is up, the computer normally wouldn't send AT commands to the modem,
except to interrupt ppp stream to bring it down. Since nowadays modems
need to transmit state changes like the change from UMTS to HSPA, I
wonder how that happens. In any case, I've got no idea what to look
out for, and also, even if I knew to pinpoint it down to a particular
feature, I'd have to observe what nm is doing, too, to know what else
to try.)

>
> Or use 'chat', which is part of the package 'ppp', to write scripts that
> manipulate the modem.
>
>>
>> How do you connect, using nm or something else?
>
> I avoid nm like the plague, but that said, if it is ready it might be
> beautiful. I prefer low-level tools.

Yeah I tried to go with the low-level tools too, at first, then after
being unsuccessful gave in and went with nm. (I might try to find the
mails I sent during that time; after unsuccessfully trying ppp, I also
tried to go that "option" (iirc) route (the one that supercedes ppp),
w/o success either.)

> Like wvdial. Run 'wvdialconf' -if- the modem is accessible. And then tweak
> /etc/wvdial.conf .

I didn't try wvdial. Hm, I'll have to surf around to figure out how to tweak it.

Christian.


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Re: broadcom

2011-06-11 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 12/06/11 00:27, Chris Brennan wrote:

* steef  [2011-06-11 15:32:00 +0200]:


hi list,

bought my self a hp mini-netbook, included windoze7 and a very strong accu, 10 
hours of life.

What's 'accu'?



A dutch battery (they have wooden shoes, called clogs)



No, no, they're called 'klompen'

Hugo


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Re: How to get Bell Canada 3G USB network up?