Re: Re : Ma sortie traceroute contredit ce que Wireshark affiche. Une explication ?

[Hugues Larrive]

--- Original Message ---
Le mardi 22 novembre 2022 à 22:17, Th.A.C  a écrit :


> 

> 

> 

> Le 22/11/2022 à 16:29, Olivier a écrit :
> 

> > Néanmoins, ma question porte uniquement sur le point: pourquoi le
> > traceroute UDP vers la Box1 échoue alors que visiblement Box1 et
> > Machine sont capables de se parler (certes dans ce cas, le trafic ne
> > fait que transiter par Box1 mais ce n'est pas la question) ?
> 

> 

> la raison des 30 sauts est écrite au tout début des messages affichés
> par la commande traceroute:
> 

> ~$ traceroute free.fr
> traceroute to free.fr (212.27.48.10), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
> 

> 30 sauts est la valeur maxi par défaut (man traceroute):
> ---
> which means we got to the "host", or hit a max (which defaults to 30 hops).
> ---
> -m max_ttl, --max-hops=max_ttl
> Specifies the maximum number of hops (max time-to-live
> value) traceroute will probe. The default is 30.
> ---
> 

> et tu peux donc modifier cette valeur (-m xxx).
> 

> 

> Pour le reste, il y a pleins d'explications rien que dans le man:
> ---
> In the modern network environment the traditional traceroute methods
> can not be always applicable, because of widespread use of firewalls.
> Such firewalls fil‐
> ter the "unlikely" UDP ports, or even ICMP echoes. To solve
> this, some additional tracerouting methods are implemented (including
> tcp), see LIST OF AVAILABLE
> METHODS below. Such methods try to use particular protocol and
> source/destination port, in order to bypass firewalls (to be seen by
> firewalls just as a start of
> allowed type of a network session).
> ---
> 

> 

> 

> par exemple chez moi, un traceroute free.fr échoue alors qu'un ping
> free.fr répond bien.
> 

Il y a aussi l'option --traceroute de nmap qui trouve toute seule la
bonne méthode :
root@rp:/home/hugues# nmap --traceroute free.fr
Starting Nmap 7.80 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2022-11-23 08:08 CET
Nmap scan report for free.fr (212.27.48.10)
Host is up (0.017s latency).
Other addresses for free.fr (not scanned): 2a01:e0c:1::1
rDNS record for 212.27.48.10: www.free.fr
Not shown: 994 closed ports
PORT STATESERVICE
22/tcp   filtered ssh
25/tcp   filtered smtp
80/tcp   open http
111/tcp  filtered rpcbind
443/tcp  open https
2049/tcp filtered nfs

TRACEROUTE (using port /tcp)
HOP RTT  ADDRESS
1   1.00 ms  192.168.1.1
2   ...
3   6.42 ms  ae107-0.nctou202.rbci.orange.net (193.249.214.86)
4   10.95 ms ae44-0.nrpoi102.rbci.orange.net (193.252.100.54)
5   16.69 ms ae45-0.nridf102.rbci.orange.net (193.251.126.14)
6   15.31 ms ae41-0.noidf002.rbci.orange.net (193.252.98.106)
7   16.49 ms 193.253.13.70
8   16.19 ms p11-9k-1-be1026.intf.routers.proxad.net (212.27.57.126)
9   16.40 ms bzn-9k-2-sys-be2001.intf.routers.proxad.net (194.149.161.246)
10  16.41 ms www.free.fr (212.27.48.10)

Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 4.82 seconds

Cordialement,

Hugues

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Re: tbird AND javamail both broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/22/22 17:22, Gareth Evans wrote:




On 22 Nov 2022, at 02:07, gene heskett  wrote:

On 11/21/22 06:07, Gareth Evans wrote:

On Mon 21 Nov 2022, at 07:26, gene heskett  wrote:
[...]

global, persistent setting.

If you still don't see the HTML version after doing that, please would you 
confirm which version of Thunderbird you are using?
Thanks,
Gareth


102.5.0(64bit)



OK thanks.

I wonder if there may be some anomaly in the true source which doesn't make it through 
"view source", the clipboard, you sending the paste, the mailing list servers, 
and other people's mail clients.

I don't know if you've tried viewing a .eml containing a paste from your 
earlier message containing the source, but that's the only difference I can see 
at this point.

As you have now deciphered the message, you may of course not want to bother!

And if that doesn't work, I'm out of ideas.

Best wishes,
G

So am I, And the fact that they want $33 for a double shaft, compared to 
$12 at amazon for the single ended version of the exact same motor is a 
show stopper. I'll eventually wind up with a 600 watt, 48 volt motor 
supply, which should at least double the speed. But since the Prusa is 
now dead, I'm stuck with a single ender5plus doing it all as I build a 
new setup using the frame of a tronxy-400-pro. The marlin in the tronxy, 
is hopelessly broken. I've never got a usable print because the first 
layer can't be set below 4mm, when it should be .15mm. That, and the ABL 
goes thru the motions during startup, but winds up disabled. How tronxy 
expects anyone to use it is beyond my ken. It is a good design though, 
and worth the time and effort to make it Just Work.



.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 



.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Dan Ritter]

Mario Marietto wrote: 
> Point is : how many chances have the ravynos to enable the compatibility
> with the apples apps ? from a technical and Legal point of view,I mean.


The only known legal method for doing this involves two teams.

Team one studies Mac OS and produces extensively detailed documentation
on every interface; what goes in, and what it produces, and what the
side effects are. They pass on the documentation to:

Team two produces an implementation of the documentation.

Nobody on team one ever gets to be a part of team two.


-dsr-

Re: tbird AND javamail both broken

[Gareth Evans]

> On 22 Nov 2022, at 02:07, gene heskett  wrote:
> 
> On 11/21/22 06:07, Gareth Evans wrote:
>> On Mon 21 Nov 2022, at 07:26, gene heskett  wrote:
>> [...]
> global, persistent setting.
>> If you still don't see the HTML version after doing that, please would you 
>> confirm which version of Thunderbird you are using?
>> Thanks,
>> Gareth
> 
> 102.5.0(64bit)


OK thanks.

I wonder if there may be some anomaly in the true source which doesn't make it 
through "view source", the clipboard, you sending the paste, the mailing list 
servers, and other people's mail clients.

I don't know if you've tried viewing a .eml containing a paste from your 
earlier message containing the source, but that's the only difference I can see 
at this point.

As you have now deciphered the message, you may of course not want to bother!

And if that doesn't work, I'm out of ideas.

Best wishes,
G


>> .
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
> - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
> 

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[Kamil Jońca]

Sven Joachim  writes:

[...]
>
> Perhaps that the --show option was only added in systemd 250 and is not
> available in Bullseye and older Debian releases.
>
> Cheers,
>Sven

Ach, indeed. Sorry.
KJ

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Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[Urs Thuermann]

Kamil Joñca  writes:

> kjonca@alfa:~%man shutdown
> SHUTDOWN(8)   
> 
> shutdown  
> 
> SHUTDOWN(8)
> 
> NAME
>shutdown - Halt, power off or reboot the machine
> [...]
> OPTIONS
> [...]
>--show
>Show a pending shutdown action and time if there is any.
> 
> kjonca@alfa:~%sudo shutdown --show
> No scheduled shutdown.
> 
> Am I overlooked something?

On my machine, the man page doesn't mention --show.

$ cat /etc/debian_version 
11.5
$ man shutdown | tail -n1
systemd 247SHUTDOWN(8)
$ /sbin/shutdown --show
/sbin/shutdown: unrecognized option '--show'


urs

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 10:11:15PM +0100, Ximo wrote:
> El 22/11/2022 a las 13:23, Urs Thuermann escribió:
> > After shutdown -h  I see no way to see this scheduled shutdown.
> > Before systemd, I could always see the shutdown process with its
> > arguments using ps(1).
> > 
> 
> # date --date @$(head -1 /run/systemd/shutdown/scheduled |cut -c6-15)

That looks quite fragile.  If the output format changes even slightly,
it'll start to give wrong answers.

In order to offer a better solution, I'd need to *see* one of these
files.  Which in turn apparently means I need to generate one.  So I guess
I get to test that "cancel" option after all.

unicorn:~$ sudo shutdown -r 23:59
[sudo] password for greg: 
Reboot scheduled for Tue 2022-11-22 23:59:00 EST, use 'shutdown -c' to cancel.
unicorn:~$ cat /run/systemd/shutdown/scheduled 
USEC=166917954000
WARN_WALL=1
MODE=reboot

OK.  I can work with that.

unicorn:~$ date -d @"$(awk -F= '/^USEC=/ {print $2/100}' 
/run/systemd/shutdown/scheduled)"
Tue Nov 22 23:59:00 EST 2022
unicorn:~$ sudo shutdown -c
unicorn:~$ cat /run/systemd/shutdown/scheduled
cat: /run/systemd/shutdown/scheduled: No such file or directory

Ironically, the "sudo shutdown -c" command blasted a message onto every
terminal EXCEPT the one where I ran the command.  Rather annoying.

A solution built around "dotting in" the file in a shell would also work,
but that's quite a bit more dangerous if the output format changes, or if
I'm only seeing a "best case scenario" here.  Before going there, I would
want to check the systemd source code to see whether this file is written
in a way that's guaranteed to be safe for a shell to dot in.  That's more
effort than I care to put into this right now.

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[Charles Curley]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 21:11:55 +0100
Sven Joachim  wrote:

> > kjonca@alfa:~%sudo shutdown --show
> > No scheduled shutdown.
> >
> > Am I overlooked something?  
> 
> Perhaps that the --show option was only added in systemd 250 and is
> not available in Bullseye and older Debian releases.

I certainly don't see it on Bullseye.

root@ideapc:~# cat /etc/debian_version 
11.5
root@ideapc:~# shutdown --show
shutdown: unrecognized option '--show'
root@ideapc:~# 


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Re: Re : Ma sortie traceroute contredit ce que Wireshark affiche. Une explication ?

[Th.A.C]

Le 22/11/2022 à 16:29, Olivier a écrit :



Néanmoins, ma question porte uniquement sur le point: pourquoi le
traceroute UDP vers la Box1 échoue alors que visiblement Box1 et
Machine sont capables de se parler (certes dans ce cas, le trafic ne
fait que transiter par Box1 mais ce n'est pas la question) ?


la raison des 30 sauts est écrite au tout début des messages affichés 
par la commande traceroute:


~$ traceroute free.fr
traceroute to free.fr (212.27.48.10), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets

30 sauts est la valeur maxi par défaut (man traceroute):
---
which means we got to the "host", or hit a max (which defaults to 30 hops).
---
-m max_ttl, --max-hops=max_ttl
  Specifies the maximum number of hops (max time-to-live 
value) traceroute will probe. The default is 30.

---

et tu peux donc modifier cette valeur (-m xxx).


Pour le reste, il y a pleins d'explications rien que dans le man:
---
In  the modern network environment the traditional traceroute methods 
can not be always applicable, because of widespread use of firewalls. 
Such firewalls fil‐
   ter the "unlikely" UDP ports, or even ICMP echoes.  To solve 
this, some additional tracerouting methods are implemented (including 
tcp), see LIST  OF  AVAILABLE
   METHODS below. Such methods try to use particular protocol and 
source/destination port, in order to bypass firewalls (to be seen by 
firewalls just as a start of

   allowed type of a network session).
---



par exemple chez moi, un traceroute free.fr échoue alors qu'un ping 
free.fr répond bien.

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[Ximo]

El 22/11/2022 a las 13:23, Urs Thuermann escribió:

After shutdown -h  I see no way to see this scheduled shutdown.
Before systemd, I could always see the shutdown process with its
arguments using ps(1).



# date --date @$(head -1 /run/systemd/shutdown/scheduled |cut -c6-15)

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Mario Marietto]

Point is : how many chances have the ravynos to enable the compatibility
with the apples apps ? from a technical and Legal point of view,I mean.

Il mar 22 nov 2022, 21:44 mick.crane  ha scritto:

> On 2022-11-21 20:03, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> > Tom Browder  writes:
> >
> >> I'm going to try to run Win 10 as a VM on my new Deb box following
> >> instructions I've received on this list.
> >>
> >> Has anyone been able to run a recent version of MacOS as a VM?
> >>
> >
> > Apart technical issues, there is licence which AFAIK forbids run MacOS
> > on non-Apple hardware (regardless if it is bare metal or VM). The only
> > exception is (was?) emacos server.
> >
> > Please correct me if I am wrong.
> > KJ
>
> Apple business is selling cool hardware. obvs they don't want their
> software on other hardware.
> mick
>
>

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[mick.crane]

On 2022-11-21 20:03, Kamil Jońca wrote:

Tom Browder  writes:

I'm going to try to run Win 10 as a VM on my new Deb box following 
instructions I've received on this list.


Has anyone been able to run a recent version of MacOS as a VM?



Apart technical issues, there is licence which AFAIK forbids run MacOS
on non-Apple hardware (regardless if it is bare metal or VM). The only
exception is (was?) emacos server.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
KJ


Apple business is selling cool hardware. obvs they don't want their 
software on other hardware.

mick

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Dan Ritter]

Mario Marietto wrote: 
> The ravynOS developers should know about the existence of basilisk II. They
> could give a look under the hood to understand how to implement the
> compatibility for the Apple's applications :D

It won't help.

Basilisk implements MacOS up through 9.

Mac OS X is the first iteration of the modern Mac OS, the first
based on BSD.

The two are really two different operating systems -- to the
point where Apple had to put in an emulator in the first few
versions of X to run old software. Then they dropped it
entirely.

-dsr-

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[Sven Joachim]

On 2022-11-22 20:18 +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote:

> Urs Thuermann  writes:
>
>> After shutdown -h  I see no way to see this scheduled shutdown.
>> Before systemd, I could always see the shutdown process with its
>> arguments using ps(1).
>
> Hm.
> kjonca@alfa:~%man shutdown
> SHUTDOWN(8)   
> 
> shutdown  
> 
> SHUTDOWN(8)
>
> NAME
>shutdown - Halt, power off or reboot the machine
> [...]
> OPTIONS
> [...]
>--show
>Show a pending shutdown action and time if there is any.
>
> kjonca@alfa:~%sudo shutdown --show
> No scheduled shutdown.
>
> Am I overlooked something?

Perhaps that the --show option was only added in systemd 250 and is not
available in Bullseye and older Debian releases.

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[tomas]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 08:18:31PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> Urs Thuermann  writes:
> 
> > After shutdown -h  I see no way to see this scheduled shutdown.
> > Before systemd, I could always see the shutdown process with its
> > arguments using ps(1).
> 
> Hm.
> kjonca@alfa:~%man shutdown
> SHUTDOWN(8)   
> 
> shutdown  
> 
> SHUTDOWN(8)
> 
> NAME
>shutdown - Halt, power off or reboot the machine
> [...]
> OPTIONS
> [...]
>--show
>Show a pending shutdown action and time if there is any.
> 
> kjonca@alfa:~%sudo shutdown --show
> No scheduled shutdown.
> 
> Am I overlooked something?

Ah, this one, again, from the systemd side...

Although, on the SysV side one could try to limp along with
something like

  sudo cat /proc/$(cat /var/run/shutdown.pid)/cmdline

:-)

(Now the explicit path of shutdown's PID might be in itself a
Debianism)

Cheers
-- 
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Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Mario Marietto]

The ravynOS developers should know about the existence of basilisk II. They
could give a look under the hood to understand how to implement the
compatibility for the Apple's applications :D

Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 20:04 Cindy Sue Causey <
butterflyby...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> On 11/22/22, Miles Fidelman  wrote:
> > Well... that would basically be MacOS, or a GUI that looks like MacOS
> > running on another BSD.
>
> Apologies, am not totally following this thread, but this post popped
> up just now. What about...
>
> apt-cache search bsd emulator
>
> That was a very short query. It brought up basilisk2..
>
> Description:
>
> "Basilisk II is an Open Source 68k Macintosh emulator. That is, it enables
>  you to run 68k MacOS software on you computer, even if you are using a
>  different operating system. However, you still need a copy of MacOS and
>  a Macintosh ROM image to use Basilisk II."
>
> Only knew to try that because I tripped over similar for Android. You
> still have to have some of "their" software to work on top of that,
> but maybe it at least points toward something else similar with better
> possibilities.
>
> Cindy :)
> --
> Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
> * runs with birdseed *
>
>

-- 
Mario.

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[Kamil Jońca]

Urs Thuermann  writes:

> After shutdown -h  I see no way to see this scheduled shutdown.
> Before systemd, I could always see the shutdown process with its
> arguments using ps(1).

Hm.
kjonca@alfa:~%man shutdown
SHUTDOWN(8) 
  shutdown  

SHUTDOWN(8)

NAME
   shutdown - Halt, power off or reboot the machine
[...]
OPTIONS
[...]
   --show
   Show a pending shutdown action and time if there is any.

kjonca@alfa:~%sudo shutdown --show
No scheduled shutdown.

Am I overlooked something?

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Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[tomas]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 12:29:49PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 06:22:57PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Hm. With SysV, you can't either [change the time, but you can cancel]

> The systemd shutdown(8) man page has a -c option for canceling a pending
> shutdown.  I have not tested this.

Thanks :)

Cheers
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Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Kamil Jońca]

Jeffrey Walton  writes:

> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 3:19 PM Kamil Jońca  wrote:
>>
>> Tom Browder  writes:
>>
>> > I'm going to try to run Win 10 as a VM on my new Deb box following 
>> > instructions I've received on this list.
>> >
>> > Has anyone been able to run a recent version of MacOS as a VM?
>>
>> Apart technical issues, there is licence which AFAIK forbids run MacOS
>> on non-Apple hardware (regardless if it is bare metal or VM). The only
>> exception is (was?) emacos server.
>>
>> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> As long as a discussion includes Debian development or use, it's on
> topic for a Debian mailing list. If OP wishes to run MacOS in his
> Debian hosted VM, that's his business. Confer,

In some countries people can be punished for helping "crime" :) not only
for doing it, so no, this is not "only his business."
Giving advice how to run MacOS against its licence can be sometimes
treated as such helping. (Forgive me terminology - I am not lawyer)

Of coures this can be case where MacOS is running on VM whose host is
debian running on Apple hardware. (IIRC this is permitted)


> I don't recall a time when Debian admins were patrolling for companies
> like Apple or Microsoft. I think that's something you might encounter

Where you see patrolling? I just pointed it out, as I knew that this
uncommon knowledge, and someone accidentally might get into troubles.
(When for example ask on Apple forum for something)


KJ



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Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 11/22/22, Miles Fidelman  wrote:
> Well... that would basically be MacOS, or a GUI that looks like MacOS
> running on another BSD.

Apologies, am not totally following this thread, but this post popped
up just now. What about...

apt-cache search bsd emulator

That was a very short query. It brought up basilisk2..

Description:

"Basilisk II is an Open Source 68k Macintosh emulator. That is, it enables
 you to run 68k MacOS software on you computer, even if you are using a
 different operating system. However, you still need a copy of MacOS and
 a Macintosh ROM image to use Basilisk II."

Only knew to try that because I tripped over similar for Android. You
still have to have some of "their" software to work on top of that,
but maybe it at least points toward something else similar with better
possibilities.

Cindy :)
-- 
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Mario Marietto]

Can I run macOS apps on ravynOS?

No - not yet. This is a major goal and we're working towards it. So far,
some trivial "Hello World" binaries in C and Objective-C have been compiled
on macOS Big Sur and the resulting Mach-O binaries ran on ravynOS using our
in-dev Hybrid linker without any Frameworks or tools from macOS. Source
code of some simple Cocoa AppKit-based applications have been built on
ravynOS and run as native applications (e.g. Install ravynOS.app). While
this is all very exciting, you will have to wait a bit longer to run
Photoshop or Xcode.

Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 19:26 Andrew M.A. Cater <
amaca...@einval.com> ha scritto:

> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 07:09:32PM +0100, Mario Marietto wrote:
> > I've found it : https://airyx.org/
> >
>
> Which has just decided to write a new GUI for itself - because it can.
> Without using a pre-existing GUI. Oh, and it's renamed itself.
>
> > Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 19:06 Mario Marietto <
> > marietto2...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >
> > > There is a fresh project, a couple of years old and in development,
> about
> > > a linux distro,if I remember correctly,or maybe it is based on
> BSD,with the
> > > goal to run the apple's software and it has the graphical interface
> which
> > > looks the same as the MacOSX. Does anyone remember the name ? The
> advantage
> > > is to not infringe any apple's copyright for sure. I'm not sure but if
> the
> > > system is different from the MacOSX but it offers the advantage to run
> the
> > > original apple's tools,is this a copyright infringement ?
> > >
>
> If it looks sufficiently like MacOSX - it infringes Apple's copyright.
> Apple
> have had cases based on button shape before now - and they have attack dog
> lawyers. Various other Linux distros have produced something that looks a
> litle like MacOS - if it gets too similar, Apple get *very* twitchy.
>
> > > Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 18:52 Miles Fidelman <
> > > mfidel...@meetinghouse.net> ha scritto:
> > >
> > >> Well... that would basically be MacOS, or a GUI that looks like MacOS
> > >> running on another BSD.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mario Marietto wrote:
> > >>
> > >> How difficult will it be to create a BSD system with the look and
> feel of
> > >> the MacOSX ? I mean,not only based on aesthetics,but more
> structural,but
> > >> not so much structural to incite the apple's lawyers.
> > >>
>
> See above: it's not straightforward. At the point when you want to do this,
> you might as well be running a straight copy of BSD - and in every
> likelihood,
> it will never run Mac applications.
>
> > >> Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 17:41 Jeffrey Walton <
> > >> noloa...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > >>
> > >>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:10 AM Mario Marietto <
> marietto2...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > How much FreeBSD code is inside the MacOSX code today ?
> > >>>
> > >>> That's a good question. The Darwin kernel is XNU. But a lot of
> > >>> userland code is BSD. In fact, a lot of Apple's man pages say (or
> used
> > >>> to say) they are for BSD. See attached for the codesign man page.
> > >>>
> > >>> I remember around the time that Apple adopted the Mach kernel. They
> > >>> finally got a memory manager! No more "It's not my fault" and error
> > >>> code 8 (iirc). I am kind of surprised I can't find a YouTube video
> > >>> with an old Mac saying it...
> > >>>
> > >>> Also
> > >>>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/1mix5h/id_like_the_differences_in_darwin_and_freebsd/
> > >>> and see https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu .
> > >>>
> > >>> Jeff
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
>
> With every good wish, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater
> > >> --
> > >> Mario.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
> > >> In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra
> > >>
> > >> Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
> > >> Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
> > >> In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
> > >> nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mario.
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mario.
>
>

-- 
Mario.

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 07:09:32PM +0100, Mario Marietto wrote:
> I've found it : https://airyx.org/
> 

Which has just decided to write a new GUI for itself - because it can.
Without using a pre-existing GUI. Oh, and it's renamed itself.

> Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 19:06 Mario Marietto <
> marietto2...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> 
> > There is a fresh project, a couple of years old and in development, about
> > a linux distro,if I remember correctly,or maybe it is based on BSD,with the
> > goal to run the apple's software and it has the graphical interface which
> > looks the same as the MacOSX. Does anyone remember the name ? The advantage
> > is to not infringe any apple's copyright for sure. I'm not sure but if the
> > system is different from the MacOSX but it offers the advantage to run the
> > original apple's tools,is this a copyright infringement ?
> >

If it looks sufficiently like MacOSX - it infringes Apple's copyright. Apple
have had cases based on button shape before now - and they have attack dog
lawyers. Various other Linux distros have produced something that looks a
litle like MacOS - if it gets too similar, Apple get *very* twitchy.

> > Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 18:52 Miles Fidelman <
> > mfidel...@meetinghouse.net> ha scritto:
> >
> >> Well... that would basically be MacOS, or a GUI that looks like MacOS
> >> running on another BSD.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mario Marietto wrote:
> >>
> >> How difficult will it be to create a BSD system with the look and feel of
> >> the MacOSX ? I mean,not only based on aesthetics,but more structural,but
> >> not so much structural to incite the apple's lawyers.
> >>

See above: it's not straightforward. At the point when you want to do this,
you might as well be running a straight copy of BSD - and in every likelihood,
it will never run Mac applications. 

> >> Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 17:41 Jeffrey Walton <
> >> noloa...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:10 AM Mario Marietto 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > How much FreeBSD code is inside the MacOSX code today ?
> >>>
> >>> That's a good question. The Darwin kernel is XNU. But a lot of
> >>> userland code is BSD. In fact, a lot of Apple's man pages say (or used
> >>> to say) they are for BSD. See attached for the codesign man page.
> >>>
> >>> I remember around the time that Apple adopted the Mach kernel. They
> >>> finally got a memory manager! No more "It's not my fault" and error
> >>> code 8 (iirc). I am kind of surprised I can't find a YouTube video
> >>> with an old Mac saying it...
> >>>
> >>> Also
> >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/1mix5h/id_like_the_differences_in_darwin_and_freebsd/
> >>> and see https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu .
> >>>
> >>> Jeff
> >>>
> >>
> >>

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater
> >> --
> >> Mario.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
> >> In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra
> >>
> >> Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
> >> Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
> >> In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
> >> nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Mario.
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mario.

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 3:19 PM Kamil Jońca  wrote:
>
> Tom Browder  writes:
>
> > I'm going to try to run Win 10 as a VM on my new Deb box following 
> > instructions I've received on this list.
> >
> > Has anyone been able to run a recent version of MacOS as a VM?
>
> Apart technical issues, there is licence which AFAIK forbids run MacOS
> on non-Apple hardware (regardless if it is bare metal or VM). The only
> exception is (was?) emacos server.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong.

As long as a discussion includes Debian development or use, it's on
topic for a Debian mailing list. If OP wishes to run MacOS in his
Debian hosted VM, that's his business. Confer,
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ .

I don't recall a time when Debian admins were patrolling for companies
like Apple or Microsoft. I think that's something you might encounter
at places like Stack Overflow. The lawyers over at Stack Overflow like
to close questions for reasons like "the question violates Apple
Developer NDA" and "the question involves info from WWDC, which is not
public information."

Jeff

Re: Printer not working after upgrading

[Brian]

On Tue 22 Nov 2022 at 09:25:40 -0600, David Wright wrote:

[...]

> $ driverless
> ipp://Brother%20HL-L2390DW._ipp._tcp.local/
> $ 
> 
> # lpadmin -p brother -v ipp://Brother%20HL-L2390DW._ipp._tcp.local/ -E -m 
> driverless:ipp://Brother%20HL-L2390DW._ipp._tcp.local/
> # 

Splendid advice for those wishing to have complete control of setting
up a print queue for a Modern printer. Unfortunately, the device in
question is a Legacy one from around 2010 requiring a vendor driver.

-- 
Brian.

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Mario Marietto]

I've found it : https://airyx.org/

Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 19:06 Mario Marietto <
marietto2...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> There is a fresh project, a couple of years old and in development, about
> a linux distro,if I remember correctly,or maybe it is based on BSD,with the
> goal to run the apple's software and it has the graphical interface which
> looks the same as the MacOSX. Does anyone remember the name ? The advantage
> is to not infringe any apple's copyright for sure. I'm not sure but if the
> system is different from the MacOSX but it offers the advantage to run the
> original apple's tools,is this a copyright infringement ?
>
> Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 18:52 Miles Fidelman <
> mfidel...@meetinghouse.net> ha scritto:
>
>> Well... that would basically be MacOS, or a GUI that looks like MacOS
>> running on another BSD.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mario Marietto wrote:
>>
>> How difficult will it be to create a BSD system with the look and feel of
>> the MacOSX ? I mean,not only based on aesthetics,but more structural,but
>> not so much structural to incite the apple's lawyers.
>>
>> Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 17:41 Jeffrey Walton <
>> noloa...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:10 AM Mario Marietto 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > How much FreeBSD code is inside the MacOSX code today ?
>>>
>>> That's a good question. The Darwin kernel is XNU. But a lot of
>>> userland code is BSD. In fact, a lot of Apple's man pages say (or used
>>> to say) they are for BSD. See attached for the codesign man page.
>>>
>>> I remember around the time that Apple adopted the Mach kernel. They
>>> finally got a memory manager! No more "It's not my fault" and error
>>> code 8 (iirc). I am kind of surprised I can't find a YouTube video
>>> with an old Mac saying it...
>>>
>>> Also
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/1mix5h/id_like_the_differences_in_darwin_and_freebsd/
>>> and see https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu .
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mario.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
>> In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra
>>
>> Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
>> Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
>> In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
>> nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown
>>
>>
>
> --
> Mario.
>


-- 
Mario.

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Mario Marietto]

There is a fresh project, a couple of years old and in development, about a
linux distro,if I remember correctly,or maybe it is based on BSD,with the
goal to run the apple's software and it has the graphical interface which
looks the same as the MacOSX. Does anyone remember the name ? The advantage
is to not infringe any apple's copyright for sure. I'm not sure but if the
system is different from the MacOSX but it offers the advantage to run the
original apple's tools,is this a copyright infringement ?

Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 18:52 Miles Fidelman <
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net> ha scritto:

> Well... that would basically be MacOS, or a GUI that looks like MacOS
> running on another BSD.
>
>
>
> Mario Marietto wrote:
>
> How difficult will it be to create a BSD system with the look and feel of
> the MacOSX ? I mean,not only based on aesthetics,but more structural,but
> not so much structural to incite the apple's lawyers.
>
> Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 17:41 Jeffrey Walton <
> noloa...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:10 AM Mario Marietto 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > How much FreeBSD code is inside the MacOSX code today ?
>>
>> That's a good question. The Darwin kernel is XNU. But a lot of
>> userland code is BSD. In fact, a lot of Apple's man pages say (or used
>> to say) they are for BSD. See attached for the codesign man page.
>>
>> I remember around the time that Apple adopted the Mach kernel. They
>> finally got a memory manager! No more "It's not my fault" and error
>> code 8 (iirc). I am kind of surprised I can't find a YouTube video
>> with an old Mac saying it...
>>
>> Also
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/1mix5h/id_like_the_differences_in_darwin_and_freebsd/
>> and see https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu .
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
>
> --
> Mario.
>
>
>
> --
> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
> In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra
>
> Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
> Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
> In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
> nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown
>
>

-- 
Mario.

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Dan Ritter]

Mario Marietto wrote: 
> How difficult will it be to create a BSD system with the look and feel of
> the MacOSX ? I mean,not only based on aesthetics,but more structural,but
> not so much structural to incite the apple's lawyers.


I don't know why you'd want to do that. Nobody thinks (as far as
I know) that the great thing about Apple products is the
structure of their OS.

It would be a lot of effort. In the best case, you would end up
with something that didn't run Mac OS software, didn't run Linux
software, didn't run *BSD software, and had all the bugs and
lack of support of any new OS.

-dsr- 

Re: Printer not working after upgrading

[Brian]

On Tue 22 Nov 2022 at 09:42:34 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> I noticed the problem just after upgrading to bullseye from previous stable
> Debian version; then I upgraded to Unstable in the hope of solving it but the
> problem remains, with error:
> 
>  stopped "Filter failed"
> 
> I also tried to remove and re-add the printer with no success.  I'm stuck,
> please help, thanks in advance.

I have not read ths thread in its entirety:

 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg00100.html

There will be a PPD for the printer in /etc/cups/ppd. As root,
execute

 cupsfilter -p /etc/cups/ppd/YOUR_PPD -m printer/foo -e /etc/nsswitch > out.dat 
2>log

and post log.

-- 
Brian.

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Miles Fidelman]

Well... that would basically be MacOS, or a GUI that looks like MacOS 
running on another BSD.




Mario Marietto wrote:
How difficult will it be to create a BSD system with the look and feel 
of the MacOSX ? I mean,not only based on aesthetics,but more 
structural,but not so much structural to incite the apple's lawyers.


Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 17:41 Jeffrey Walton 
mailto:noloa...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:


On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:10 AM Mario Marietto
mailto:marietto2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> How much FreeBSD code is inside the MacOSX code today ?

That's a good question. The Darwin kernel is XNU. But a lot of
userland code is BSD. In fact, a lot of Apple's man pages say (or used
to say) they are for BSD. See attached for the codesign man page.

I remember around the time that Apple adopted the Mach kernel. They
finally got a memory manager! No more "It's not my fault" and error
code 8 (iirc). I am kind of surprised I can't find a YouTube video
with an old Mac saying it...

Also

https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/1mix5h/id_like_the_differences_in_darwin_and_freebsd/
and see https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu .

Jeff



--
Mario.



--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 3:36 AM Peter von Kaehne  wrote:
> Which, while it might not stop anyone doing what they like in the privacy of 
> their own home, should be ample reason not to take it to a public mailing 
> list. Postings just as the OP reflect badly not only upon themselves but on 
> others and the project at large.

If you're referring to me as the OP, I never planned to use macOS
without a license, and I do pay attention to EULAs. I'm in the
research phase of finding the cheapest way to provide open source
testing for our Mac using brothers and sisters. I have tried it on my
old mac mini and I personally do not like it.

-Tom

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Miles Fidelman]

Has anyone been able to run a recent version of MacOS as a VM?

Which, while it might not stop anyone doing what they like in the privacy of 
their own home, should be ample reason not to take it to a public mailing list. 
Postings just as the OP reflect badly not only upon themselves but on others 
and the project at large.

Haven't tried it recently.  It used to  be possible.  But it's a LOT 
easier to run Debian (and other, including MacOS) VMs on a Mac. Works 
just great under Parallels - and, in the past, I've done it using 
Virtual Box & VMware.


Going the other way leads into both licensing issues, and boot issues.

Miles Fidelman (typing on a Mac, which is BSD Unix underneath, sending 
via a server running Debian in a VM over Xen, with Dom0 also being 
Debian - meanwhile, there are several Windows & Linux VMs on this Mac - 
not running at the moment, but they run native speed when they are).


--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Mario Marietto]

How difficult will it be to create a BSD system with the look and feel of
the MacOSX ? I mean,not only based on aesthetics,but more structural,but
not so much structural to incite the apple's lawyers.

Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 17:41 Jeffrey Walton 
ha scritto:

> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:10 AM Mario Marietto 
> wrote:
> >
> > How much FreeBSD code is inside the MacOSX code today ?
>
> That's a good question. The Darwin kernel is XNU. But a lot of
> userland code is BSD. In fact, a lot of Apple's man pages say (or used
> to say) they are for BSD. See attached for the codesign man page.
>
> I remember around the time that Apple adopted the Mach kernel. They
> finally got a memory manager! No more "It's not my fault" and error
> code 8 (iirc). I am kind of surprised I can't find a YouTube video
> with an old Mac saying it...
>
> Also
> https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/1mix5h/id_like_the_differences_in_darwin_and_freebsd/
> and see https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu .
>
> Jeff
>


-- 
Mario.

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Dan Ritter]

Mario Marietto wrote: 
> How much FreeBSD code is inside the MacOSX code today ?

Nobody outside Apple knows. BSD licenses require attribution, not
availability.

-dsr-

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 06:22:57PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Hm. With SysV, you can't either (spoiler alert: the shutdown process
> itself is the one doing the timing by sleeping until fulfillment of
> its task). But you always can cancel it (shutdown -c with SysV, dunno,
> again, with systemd).

The systemd shutdown(8) man page has a -c option for canceling a pending
shutdown.  I have not tested this.

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[tomas]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 09:09:56AM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 22 Nov 2022 at 15:56:48 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 08:48:25AM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > There's a file, "scheduled", that's created in /run/systemd/shutdown,
> > > which contains the time, noisiness and destiny of the shutdown.
> > > I haven't tried editing, say, the noisiness, to see whether I can stop
> > > the flow of Wall messages on all my xterms.
> > 
> > *My* shutdown has a command line option (-Q) for the latter. Dunno about
> > yours ;-)
> 
> # shutdown -Q +15
> shutdown: invalid option -- 'Q'
> # 

Ah, that Other Init System. Moving fast and breaking things ;-)

> But I meant in arrears, hence the "say".

I see.

Hm. With SysV, you can't either (spoiler alert: the shutdown process
itself is the one doing the timing by sleeping until fulfillment of
its task). But you always can cancel it (shutdown -c with SysV, dunno,
again, with systemd).

> I still haven't tried editing, say, the MODE=poweroff to MODE=reboot,
> in order to see whether the file is only written, or read at intervals
> as well. I might have done if I hadn't already started my browser, and
> other miscellaneous tasks.

That would be a nice experiment, yes :-)

Cheers
-- 
t


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Re: Quels outils pour automatiser le traitement d'alertes reçues par courriel ?

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 22/11/2022 16:28, Olivier wrote:

Le mar. 22 nov. 2022 à 15:58, Michel Verdier
 a écrit :



Si les 2 machines sont distinctes il faut de toute façon récupérer le
mail sur la machine qui traite. Donc ça dépend du logiciel que tu utilise
pour ça.


Justement, quel logiciel peut scruter en tâche de fond une boîte IMAP
et y faire quelques modifications comme déplacer-supprimer un message
déjà lu ou traité, accéder facilement au contenu du message ?



La bibliothèque mailio (en C++) semble traiter le protocole IMAP.

https://products.fileformat.com/email/cpp/mailio/

et les langages Go ou Rust semblent avoir des fonctions de traitement de 
courriel (IMAP ou POP)


et le paquet fetchmail (voir 
https://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/fetchmail ...) pourrait être utile.


NB. Je cherche des partenaires intéressés par http://refpersys.org/ - me 
contacter alors par courriel (perso: bas...@starynkevitch.net ou pro au 
CEA LIST en basile.starynkevi...@cea.fr )


--
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(only mine opinions / les opinions sont miennes uniquement)
92340 Bourg-la-Reine, France
web page: starynkevitch.net/Basile/

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Mario Marietto]

How much FreeBSD code is inside the MacOSX code today ?

Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 16:49 Martin Smith <
t...@smithproductions.co.uk> ha scritto:

> On 22/11/2022 13:44, hede wrote:
> >
> >>> Whilst I had mistakenly believed that CentOS was a freeware, open
> source
> >>> kind of MacOS clone,
> >
> > CentOS was derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux and was mostly
> > compatible to RHEL.
> > "May God rest its soul."
> >
> >>> and found that it is not, when I searched for it, I
> >>> had understood that a freeware, open source kind of MacOS kind of
> clone,
> >>> is available, and, when I searched on  the three word combination -
> open
> >>> source macos - I found, in the results, the above URL.
> >>>
> >>> So, as an observer, I wonder whether licencing restrictions apply, to
> >>> running MacOS on Linux, as a virtual machine.
> >>
> >> If you click through the links on that page, it looks like Apple is
> >> just linking to the source code for open source components used in
> >> their operating systems (things like awk, bash, bind, bzip, etc.), but
> >> the operating systems themselves are certainly not open source, and
> >> cannot be legally used except in accordance with Apple's license terms
> >> and / or applicable law.
> >
> > Darwin is the core of modern Apple OSes. It is Open Source and POSIX
> > compatible.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
> >
> > But there are plenty of Closed Source parts missing to form either macOS
> > or iOS from it. Both - macOS and iOS - are proprietary OSes where you
> > have strict license terms to fulfill to use it. One of them is  - AFAIK
> > - buying Apple Hardware and running the OS only on Apples Hardware.
> >
> MacOSX was originally based on FREEBSD which at the time probably about
> 15 years ago I was using BSD for servers in offices and I remember one
> of the senior developers in BSD land went to work for Apple, I can
> remember my delight when I discovered I could summon vi in a terminal on
> a mac
>
> --
> Martin
>
>

-- 
Mario.

Re: Quels outils pour automatiser le traitement d'alertes reçues par courriel ?

[Francois Mescam]

J'ai fait cela sur ma machine qui gère mon serveur imap avec dovecot 
avec un script lancé par cron sur le compte de la boite imap.


#!/bin/bash

# donner en paramètre le nom du dossier contenant les alertes
Bal=$1
cd /tmp
user=

# traiter les messages un par un
doveadm search -u $user mailbox $BalASpam |
while read guid uid; do
  # récupérer le message courant
  doveadm fetch -u $user text.utf8 mailbox-guid $guid uid $uid | sed 
'1d' > msg.$uid


  # traiter le mail qui est dans le fichier /tmp/msg.$uid
  #
  #

  #détruire le fichier de travail et le mail
  rm -f msg.$uid
  doveadm expunge -u user mailbox-guid $guid uid $uid
done

exit


Francois Mescam

Le 22/11/2022 à 16:28, Olivier a écrit :

Le mar. 22 nov. 2022 à 15:58, Michel Verdier
 a écrit :



Si les 2 machines sont distinctes il faut de toute façon récupérer le
mail sur la machine qui traite. Donc ça dépend du logiciel que tu utilise
pour ça.


Justement, quel logiciel peut scruter en tâche de fond une boîte IMAP
et y faire quelques modifications comme déplacer-supprimer un message
déjà lu ou traité, accéder facilement au contenu du message ?

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[Charles Curley]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 09:09:56 -0600
David Wright  wrote:

> > > I haven't tried editing, say, the noisiness, to see whether I can
> > > stop the flow of Wall messages on all my xterms.  
> > 
> > *My* shutdown has a command line option (-Q) for the latter. Dunno
> > about yours ;-)  
> 
> # shutdown -Q +15
> shutdown: invalid option -- 'Q'
> # 

According to the man page for shutdown, --no-wall should do that.


   --no-wall
   Do not send wall message before halt, power-off, reboot.



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Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Martin Smith]

On 22/11/2022 13:44, hede wrote:



Whilst I had mistakenly believed that CentOS was a freeware, open source
kind of MacOS clone,


CentOS was derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux and was mostly 
compatible to RHEL.

"May God rest its soul."


and found that it is not, when I searched for it, I
had understood that a freeware, open source kind of MacOS kind of clone,
is available, and, when I searched on  the three word combination - open
source macos - I found, in the results, the above URL.

So, as an observer, I wonder whether licencing restrictions apply, to
running MacOS on Linux, as a virtual machine.


If you click through the links on that page, it looks like Apple is
just linking to the source code for open source components used in
their operating systems (things like awk, bash, bind, bzip, etc.), but
the operating systems themselves are certainly not open source, and
cannot be legally used except in accordance with Apple's license terms
and / or applicable law.


Darwin is the core of modern Apple OSes. It is Open Source and POSIX 
compatible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

But there are plenty of Closed Source parts missing to form either macOS 
or iOS from it. Both - macOS and iOS - are proprietary OSes where you 
have strict license terms to fulfill to use it. One of them is  - AFAIK 
- buying Apple Hardware and running the OS only on Apples Hardware.


MacOSX was originally based on FREEBSD which at the time probably about 
15 years ago I was using BSD for servers in offices and I remember one 
of the senior developers in BSD land went to work for Apple, I can 
remember my delight when I discovered I could summon vi in a terminal on 
a mac


--
Martin

Re: Re : Ma sortie traceroute contredit ce que Wireshark affiche. Une explication ?

[Olivier]

Le mar. 22 nov. 2022 à 16:24, Olivier  a écrit :
>
> Le mar. 22 nov. 2022 à 15:43,  a écrit :
> >
> >
> > Ta box n’a pas une seule IP mais au moins deux : une pour internet 
> > (1.2.3.4) et une pour le réseau interne (192.168.1.*).
> > Ta machine 1 ne voit pas 1.2.3.4 puisqu’elle sort de la box et n’a pas de 
> > raison d’y entrer.
> >
> > nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial
> > -

Oui bien sûr.

Néanmoins, ma question porte uniquement sur le point: pourquoi le
traceroute UDP vers la Box1 échoue alors que visiblement Box1 et
Machine sont capables de se parler (certes dans ce cas, le trafic ne
fait que transiter par Box1 mais ce n'est pas la question) ?

Quand bien même Machine1 et Box1 seraient configurés en dépit du bon
sens, quand j'interroge itérativement (avec traceroute) les routeurs
depuis le plus proche de Machine2, je n'arrive pas à obtenir un chemin
stable en moins de 30 sauts ?
Comme mon trafic SIP est par construction initié par Machine1, c'est comme si:
 le trafic SIP retour de Machine2 vers Machine1 bénéficiait de
l'antériorité du trafic dans le sens opposé
tandis qu'un trafic UDP quelconque, sans antériorité, de Machine2 vers
Machine1 partait dans les limbes pour une raison qui m'échappe.


S'il est normal qu'un "traceroute à sec" échoue, j'aimerai bien savoir
pourquoi et savoir quel outil utiliser à la place pour débugguer !

En d'autres termes, aurai-je techniquement raison d'attendre que par
défaut, chaque traceroute réussisse sauf programmation explicite et
contraire des routeurs aux extrémités et uniquement ceux-ci ?

Re: Quels outils pour automatiser le traitement d'alertes reçues par courriel ?

[Olivier]

Le mar. 22 nov. 2022 à 15:58, Michel Verdier
 a écrit :
>
>
>
> Si les 2 machines sont distinctes il faut de toute façon récupérer le
> mail sur la machine qui traite. Donc ça dépend du logiciel que tu utilise
> pour ça.
>
Justement, quel logiciel peut scruter en tâche de fond une boîte IMAP
et y faire quelques modifications comme déplacer-supprimer un message
déjà lu ou traité, accéder facilement au contenu du message ?

Re: Printer not working after upgrading

[David Wright]

On Tue 22 Nov 2022 at 09:42:34 (+), Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> I noticed the problem just after upgrading to bullseye from previous stable
> Debian version; then I upgraded to Unstable in the hope of solving it but the
> problem remains, with error:
> 
>  stopped "Filter failed"
> 
> I also tried to remove and re-add the printer with no success.  I'm stuck,
> please help, thanks in advance.

So your configuration is likely two releases out of date (at least).
I just moved everything out of the way and started from scratch.
Because the printer was reasonably recent, it came down to:

$ driverless
ipp://Brother%20HL-L2390DW._ipp._tcp.local/
$ 

# lpadmin -p brother -v ipp://Brother%20HL-L2390DW._ipp._tcp.local/ -E -m 
driverless:ipp://Brother%20HL-L2390DW._ipp._tcp.local/
# 

(This is in the absence of being in group lpadmin.)

$ lp -d brother file
request id is PDF-1234 (1 file(s))
$ 

but I did leave this file:

$ cat .cups/lpoptions 
Default PDF resume=true
$ 

The key was moving everything out of the way and starting from scratch.

Cheers,
David.

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[David Wright]

On Tue 22 Nov 2022 at 15:56:48 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 08:48:25AM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > There's a file, "scheduled", that's created in /run/systemd/shutdown,
> > which contains the time, noisiness and destiny of the shutdown.
> > I haven't tried editing, say, the noisiness, to see whether I can stop
> > the flow of Wall messages on all my xterms.
> 
> *My* shutdown has a command line option (-Q) for the latter. Dunno about
> yours ;-)

# shutdown -Q +15
shutdown: invalid option -- 'Q'
# 

But I meant in arrears, hence the "say".

I still haven't tried editing, say, the MODE=poweroff to MODE=reboot,
in order to see whether the file is only written, or read at intervals
as well. I might have done if I hadn't already started my browser, and
other miscellaneous tasks.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Quels outils pour automatiser le traitement d'alertes reçues par courriel ?

[Michel Verdier]

Le 22 novembre 2022 Olivier a écrit :

>> videoON:|"/usr/bin/sudo -u uucp /usr/local/bin/setVideo.sh ON"
>> videoOFF:|"/usr/bin/sudo -u uucp /usr/local/bin/setVideo.sh OFF"
>>
> J'ai pas bien compris:
> dans le cas que tu décris, la machine qui émet le message est aussi
> celle qui le traite, non ?

Oui

> de plus, elle utilise des adresses de courriel différentes pour
> déclencher des actions différentes.
>
> Que fait-on quand les deux machines sont distinctes et que les
> informations nécessaires au traitement spécifique sont contenues dans
> le message du courriel ?

Le pipe "|" indique que tout le mail va être passé à la commande
setVideo.sh. Donc le script peut gérer différentes actions même si tu
regroupe tout sur une seule adresse.

Si les 2 machines sont distinctes il faut de toute façon récupérer le
mail sur la machine qui traite. Donc ça dépend du logiciel que tu utilise
pour ça. Mais tu peux aussi faire un script qui récupère périodiquement
les mails voulus. Et à ce moment là autant faire le traitement
directement dans ce script.

Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[tomas]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 08:48:25AM -0600, David Wright wrote:

[...]

> There's a file, "scheduled", that's created in /run/systemd/shutdown,
> which contains the time, noisiness and destiny of the shutdown.
> I haven't tried editing, say, the noisiness, to see whether I can stop
> the flow of Wall messages on all my xterms.

*My* shutdown has a command line option (-Q) for the latter. Dunno about
yours ;-)

Cheers
-- 
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Re: How to check for scheduled shutdown

[David Wright]

On Tue 22 Nov 2022 at 13:23:14 (+0100), Urs Thuermann wrote:
> After shutdown -h  I see no way to see this scheduled shutdown.
> Before systemd, I could always see the shutdown process with its
> arguments using ps(1).
> 
> Now, the call to shutdown returns to the shell immediately leaving no
> process.  It probably communicates to the init process 1, but, as
> usual for systemd, very little or nothing seems to be documented.  Or
> at least it's hidden, so that you cannot find it in reasonable time.
> 
> I couldn't find any relevant differences with and without a scheduled
> shutdown in the output of systemctl status --all and systemctl show --all.

There's a file, "scheduled", that's created in /run/systemd/shutdown,
which contains the time, noisiness and destiny of the shutdown.
I haven't tried editing, say, the noisiness, to see whether I can stop
the flow of Wall messages on all my xterms.

Cheers,
David.

Re : Ma sortie traceroute contredit ce que Wireshark affiche. Une explication ?

[nicolas . patrois]

Le 22/11/2022 15:25:17, Olivier a écrit :
> Bonjour,

> J'ai le cas de figure suivant:

> Machine1 (192.168.1.1)  Box ISP1 (IP 1.2.3.4) Internet -
> Machine2 (IP 9.8.7.6)

Ta box n’a pas une seule IP mais au moins deux : une pour internet (1.2.3.4) et 
une pour le réseau interne (192.168.1.*).
Ta machine 1 ne voit pas 1.2.3.4 puisqu’elle sort de la box et n’a pas de 
raison d’y entrer.

nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial
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Un cerveau plus gros ?
P : Non... Une carte bleue suffirait...

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Mario Marietto]

I used Linux most of the time for many years and I use it even today for a
lot of time,but from two years ago I've started studying and learning
FreeBSD and I should say that It satisfies me like linux.

Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 15:23 Bret Busby  ha
scritto:

> On 22/11/2022 21:44, hede wrote:
> >
> >>> Whilst I had mistakenly believed that CentOS was a freeware, open
> source
> >>> kind of MacOS clone,
> >
> > CentOS was derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux and was mostly
> > compatible to RHEL.
> > "May God rest its soul."
> >
> >>> and found that it is not, when I searched for it, I
> >>> had understood that a freeware, open source kind of MacOS kind of
> clone,
> >>> is available, and, when I searched on  the three word combination -
> open
> >>> source macos - I found, in the results, the above URL.
> >>>
> >>> So, as an observer, I wonder whether licencing restrictions apply, to
> >>> running MacOS on Linux, as a virtual machine.
> >>
> >> If you click through the links on that page, it looks like Apple is
> >> just linking to the source code for open source components used in
> >> their operating systems (things like awk, bash, bind, bzip, etc.), but
> >> the operating systems themselves are certainly not open source, and
> >> cannot be legally used except in accordance with Apple's license terms
> >> and / or applicable law.
> >
> > Darwin is the core of modern Apple OSes. It is Open Source and POSIX
> > compatible.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
> >
> > But there are plenty of Closed Source parts missing to form either macOS
> > or iOS from it. Both - macOS and iOS - are proprietary OSes where you
> > have strict license terms to fulfill to use it. One of them is  - AFAIK
> > - buying Apple Hardware and running the OS only on Apples Hardware.
> >
> > hede
> >
>
>
> All the more reason to run only Linux.
>
> :)
>
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..
>
>

-- 
Mario.

Ma sortie traceroute contredit ce que Wireshark affiche. Une explication ?

[Olivier]

Bonjour,

J'ai le cas de figure suivant:

Machine1 (192.168.1.1)  Box ISP1 (IP 1.2.3.4) Internet -
Machine2 (IP 9.8.7.6)

Machine1 est un hôte Debian Bullseye.
Machine2 est un hôte Debian Stretch.


1. Depuis Machine2, tracreroute 1.2.3.4 échoue:
j'ai une liste de 30 intermédiaires, au delà du 30ème traceroute s'arrête

2. Depuis Machine2, tracreroute 1.2.3.4 -I (ie avec ICMP) réussit en 11 étapes.


Pourtant, à l'instant t, j'ai du trafic SIP entre Machine1 et Machine2:
A- je vois des requêtes partir de Machine1 qui arrivent sur Machine2
B- je vois des réponses partir de Machine2 qui arrivent sur Machine1


Q1: Comment observer à peu près simultanément, les points 1 et B ?

Q2: Pour ceux qui travaillent chez un ISP, quand considérer qu'un
échec traceroute est ou n'est pas une anomalie ? Faut-il désigner un
port UDP particulier pour des traceroute en mode UDP pour étayer une
demande auprès d'un ISP ?

Slts

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Bret Busby]

On 22/11/2022 21:44, hede wrote:



Whilst I had mistakenly believed that CentOS was a freeware, open source
kind of MacOS clone,


CentOS was derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux and was mostly 
compatible to RHEL.

"May God rest its soul."


and found that it is not, when I searched for it, I
had understood that a freeware, open source kind of MacOS kind of clone,
is available, and, when I searched on  the three word combination - open
source macos - I found, in the results, the above URL.

So, as an observer, I wonder whether licencing restrictions apply, to
running MacOS on Linux, as a virtual machine.


If you click through the links on that page, it looks like Apple is
just linking to the source code for open source components used in
their operating systems (things like awk, bash, bind, bzip, etc.), but
the operating systems themselves are certainly not open source, and
cannot be legally used except in accordance with Apple's license terms
and / or applicable law.


Darwin is the core of modern Apple OSes. It is Open Source and POSIX 
compatible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

But there are plenty of Closed Source parts missing to form either macOS 
or iOS from it. Both - macOS and iOS - are proprietary OSes where you 
have strict license terms to fulfill to use it. One of them is  - AFAIK 
- buying Apple Hardware and running the OS only on Apples Hardware.


hede




All the more reason to run only Linux.

:)

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[hede]

Whilst I had mistakenly believed that CentOS was a freeware, open 
source

kind of MacOS clone,


CentOS was derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux and was mostly 
compatible to RHEL.

"May God rest its soul."


and found that it is not, when I searched for it, I
had understood that a freeware, open source kind of MacOS kind of 
clone,
is available, and, when I searched on  the three word combination - 
open

source macos - I found, in the results, the above URL.

So, as an observer, I wonder whether licencing restrictions apply, to
running MacOS on Linux, as a virtual machine.


If you click through the links on that page, it looks like Apple is
just linking to the source code for open source components used in
their operating systems (things like awk, bash, bind, bzip, etc.), but
the operating systems themselves are certainly not open source, and
cannot be legally used except in accordance with Apple's license terms
and / or applicable law.


Darwin is the core of modern Apple OSes. It is Open Source and POSIX 
compatible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

But there are plenty of Closed Source parts missing to form either macOS 
or iOS from it. Both - macOS and iOS - are proprietary OSes where you 
have strict license terms to fulfill to use it. One of them is  - AFAIK 
- buying Apple Hardware and running the OS only on Apples Hardware.


hede

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Celejar]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:12:28 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:

> On 22/11/2022 17:35, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
> > 
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone been able to run a recent version of MacOS as a VM?
> >>
> >> Apart technical issues, there is licence which AFAIK forbids run MacOS
> >> on non-Apple hardware (regardless if it is bare metal or VM).
> > 
> > Which, while it might not stop anyone doing what they like in the privacy 
> > of their own home, should be ample reason not to take it to a public 
> > mailing list. Postings just as the OP reflect badly not only upon 
> > themselves but on others and the project at large.
> > 
> > Peter
> I am wondering, in the context of the content at 
> https://opensource.apple.com/releases/
> whether licence restrictions apply.
> 
> Whilst I had mistakenly believed that CentOS was a freeware, open source 
> kind of MacOS clone, and found that it is not, when I searched for it, I 
> had understood that a freeware, open source kind of MacOS kind of clone, 
> is available, and, when I searched on  the three word combination - open 
> source macos - I found, in the results, the above URL.
> 
> So, as an observer, I wonder whether licencing restrictions apply, to 
> running MacOS on Linux, as a virtual machine.

If you click through the links on that page, it looks like Apple is
just linking to the source code for open source components used in
their operating systems (things like awk, bash, bind, bzip, etc.), but
the operating systems themselves are certainly not open source, and
cannot be legally used except in accordance with Apple's license terms
and / or applicable law.

-- 
Celejar

Re: Printer not working after upgrading

[mick.crane]

On 2022-11-22 12:39, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

I noticed the problem just after upgrading to bullseye from previous 
stable
Debian version; then I upgraded to Unstable in the hope of solving it 
but the

problem remains, with error:

 stopped "Filter failed"

I also tried to remove and re-add the printer with no success.  I'm 
stuck,

please help, thanks in advance.



Peter von Kaehne  writes:

To help I think people need more than you have given. Printer model, 
software

in use, version, printer driver, logs.



Brad Rogers  writes:


Hello Rodolfo,

Same sort of thing Celejar said about your gv issues;  What printer,
what driver, what were the exact commands and error messages...



Thanks, sorry: the printer is the Samsung ML-191x 252x Series, the 
software I'm
using to manage it is the Debian package cups and `aptitude show' says 
it's
installed in my Sid box at the version 2.4.2-1+b2.  The driver I think 
is the

file called ML-191xspl2.ppd.  I do:

 $ lp -P 1 ing.pdf

and the output:

 request id is Samsung_ML-191x_252x_Series-694 (1 file(s))

and nothing happens.  In the "Jobs" section of the printing localhost 
it says


 stopped
 "Filter failed"

I hope it's all right.  Logs I wouldn't know...


Is the printer attached to the Sid PC (was Bullseye)?
How's it attached?
Did you try print a plain text file?
There's commands to see what Cups thinks the printer is but I'd have to 
look it up.

mick

Re: configuració /dev/tty1

[Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda]

Bon dia!

El 22/11/22 a les 13:33, tictacbum ha escrit:

Hola,
l'scroll es va eliminar dels tty al kernel 5.9: 
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-5.9-Drops-Soft-Scrollback 


No crec que sigui això. A mi també em passa el mateix amb el driver 
privatiu de NVIDIA i des de fa temps (<5.9). No té res a veure amb el 
Shift + PageUp crec, perquè no l'he fet servir. Ara bé, si té relació 
tot plegat, no ho sé.


A mi em passa quan _només_ treballo amb terminal, en canvi, a una sessió 
gràfica funciona bé.


Respecte al tema del teclat, estic d'acord amb:

$ dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration


Leopold



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Re: Printer not working after upgrading

[Peter von Kaehne]

Thanks, Rodolfo ! Logs I wouldn't know...CUPSDebugging - Debian Wikiwiki.debian.orgSection 3 to start with. Basically enable debugging , do what you did before for printing and check the logs. Sometimes the errors are very obvious. Sometimes they drive one batty. Either way, it might all flow from there together with the wider context of the wiki or come back to here. Peter

Re: Printer not working after upgrading

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> I noticed the problem just after upgrading to bullseye from previous stable
> Debian version; then I upgraded to Unstable in the hope of solving it but the
> problem remains, with error:
>
>  stopped "Filter failed"
>
> I also tried to remove and re-add the printer with no success.  I'm stuck,
> please help, thanks in advance.


Peter von Kaehne  writes:

> To help I think people need more than you have given. Printer model, software
> in use, version, printer driver, logs.


Brad Rogers  writes:

> Hello Rodolfo,
>
> Same sort of thing Celejar said about your gv issues;  What printer,
> what driver, what were the exact commands and error messages...


Thanks, sorry: the printer is the Samsung ML-191x 252x Series, the software I'm
using to manage it is the Debian package cups and `aptitude show' says it's
installed in my Sid box at the version 2.4.2-1+b2.  The driver I think is the
file called ML-191xspl2.ppd.  I do:

 $ lp -P 1 ing.pdf 

and the output:

 request id is Samsung_ML-191x_252x_Series-694 (1 file(s))

and nothing happens.  In the "Jobs" section of the printing localhost it says

 stopped 
 "Filter failed"

I hope it's all right.  Logs I wouldn't know...

Thanks,

Rodolfo

Re: configuració /dev/tty1

[tictacbum]

Hola,
l'scroll es va eliminar dels tty al kernel 5.9:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-5.9-Drops-Soft-Scrollback
pel tema teclat, crec que és la conf de /etc/default/keyboard
prova amb dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration

salut!

Missatge de Jordi <215...@runbox.com> del dia dt., 22 de nov. 2022 a les
13:02:

> Bon dia, voldria arreglar un problema que ja tinc de fa temps.
>
> Les línies del /dev/tty1, etc. no es desplacen cap amunt quan s'omple
> la pantalla i el teclat també està mal configurat amb una altra
> disposició, per la qual cosa està tot força limitat.
>
> On puc tocar aquesta configuració i com?
>
> Faig servir els controladors privatius NVIDIA ...
>
> Salutacions
>
> Jordi
>
>

How to check for scheduled shutdown

[Urs Thuermann]

After shutdown -h  I see no way to see this scheduled shutdown.
Before systemd, I could always see the shutdown process with its
arguments using ps(1).

Now, the call to shutdown returns to the shell immediately leaving no
process.  It probably communicates to the init process 1, but, as
usual for systemd, very little or nothing seems to be documented.  Or
at least it's hidden, so that you cannot find it in reasonable time.

I couldn't find any relevant differences with and without a scheduled
shutdown in the output of systemctl status --all and systemctl show --all.

urs

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Mario Marietto]

Sometime ago I've bought an old mac mini,so I have the Apple hardware,man.
Please don't be rude.

Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 13:04 Peter von Kaehne 
ha scritto:

>
> > Open your mind.
>
> Do as you like, but please do it elsewhere.
>
>
>
>> Most people don't read EULAs.
>>
>> I have long decided that programmes with EULAs are programmes to avoid as
> much as possible.
>
> Peter
>
>
>

-- 
Mario.

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Peter von Kaehne]

> Open your mind. 

Do as you like, but please do it elsewhere.
> 
>> 
>> Most people don't read EULAs.
>> 
I have long decided that programmes with EULAs are programmes to avoid as much 
as possible. 

Peter

configuració /dev/tty1

[Jordi]

Bon dia, voldria arreglar un problema que ja tinc de fa temps.

Les línies del /dev/tty1, etc. no es desplacen cap amunt quan s'omple
la pantalla i el teclat també està mal configurat amb una altra
disposició, per la qual cosa està tot força limitat.

On puc tocar aquesta configuració i com?  

Faig servir els controladors privatius NVIDIA ...

Salutacions 

Jordi  

Re: Quels outils pour automatiser le traitement d'alertes reçues par courriel ?

[Olivier]

Le mar. 22 nov. 2022 à 11:11, NoSpam  a écrit :
>
>
>
> Pas besoin d'outil spécial: j'ai mes adresses de destination qui
> génèrent des scripts, c'est géré dans /etc/aliases comme par ex.
>
> videoON:|"/usr/bin/sudo -u uucp /usr/local/bin/setVideo.sh ON"
> videoOFF:|"/usr/bin/sudo -u uucp /usr/local/bin/setVideo.sh OFF"
>
> Et le tour est joué ;)
>
> [...]
>
J'ai pas bien compris:
dans le cas que tu décris, la machine qui émet le message est aussi
celle qui le traite, non ?
de plus, elle utilise des adresses de courriel différentes pour
déclencher des actions différentes.

Que fait-on quand les deux machines sont distinctes et que les
informations nécessaires au traitement spécifique sont contenues dans
le message du courriel ?

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Bret Busby]

On 22/11/2022 17:35, Peter von Kaehne wrote:




Has anyone been able to run a recent version of MacOS as a VM?


Apart technical issues, there is licence which AFAIK forbids run MacOS
on non-Apple hardware (regardless if it is bare metal or VM).


Which, while it might not stop anyone doing what they like in the privacy of 
their own home, should be ample reason not to take it to a public mailing list. 
Postings just as the OP reflect badly not only upon themselves but on others 
and the project at large.

Peter
I am wondering, in the context of the content at 
https://opensource.apple.com/releases/

whether licence restrictions apply.

Whilst I had mistakenly believed that CentOS was a freeware, open source 
kind of MacOS clone, and found that it is not, when I searched for it, I 
had understood that a freeware, open source kind of MacOS kind of clone, 
is available, and, when I searched on  the three word combination - open 
source macos - I found, in the results, the above URL.


So, as an observer, I wonder whether licencing restrictions apply, to 
running MacOS on Linux, as a virtual machine.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Fwd: CUDA error cudaStreamSynchronize(stream) and CUDA error in ComputeBondedCUDA

[Francesco Pietra]

I am now wondering whether the nvidia driver, as built automatically by
Debian during tecent updating/upgrading, allows correct rendering but fails
with NAMD computations
To this concern, it is not clear to me whether Debian, with its automatic
building, uses the proprietary nvidia driver. If not, I could try by
downloading the proprietary nvidia driver

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From: Francesco Pietra 
Date: Sun, Nov 20, 2022, 7:07 PM
Subject: CUDA error cudaStreamSynchronize(stream) and CUDA error in
ComputeBondedCUDA
To: debian-users 


Hello
Main board GA-X79-UD3 with two 680 GPUs
Debian10 Linux,
kernel 5.10.0-19-amd64
OpenGL 4.6.0
nvidia driver 470.141.03
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Months ago, following updating/upgrading of amd64, the GPUs, while
rendering correctly, became unable to run classical molecular dynamics
simulations. Launching a minimization with software NAMD with both GPUs or
with one of them (by software or even by removing one GPU)

namd2 +idlepoll +p12 +devices 0,1 min.conf
namd2 +idlepoll +p12 +devices 0 min.conf
namd2 +idlepoll +p12 +devices 1 min.conf

NAMD organizes the simulation correctly but at the stage of starting the
computation, accessing memory, a crash occurs with error

TCL: Minimizing for 3000 steps
> FATAL ERROR: CUDA error cudaStreamSynchronize(stream) in file
> src/CudaTileListKernel.cu, function buildTileLists, line 1136
> on Pe 4 (gig64 device 0 pci 0:2:0): an illegal memory access was
> encountered
> FATAL ERROR: CUDA error in ComputeBondedCUDA::forceDoneCheck after polling
> 48 times over 0.005047 s on Pe 8 (gig64 device 1 pci 0:3:0): an illegal
> memory access was encountered
> FATAL ERROR: CUDA error cudaStreamSynchronize(stream) in file
> src/CudaTileListKernel.cu, function buildTileLists, line 1136
> on Pe 4 (gig64 device 0 pci 0:2:0): an illegal memory access was
> encountered
> FATAL ERROR: CUDA error in ComputeBondedCUDA::forceDoneCheck after polling
> 48 times over 0.005047 s on Pe 8 (gig64 device 1 pci 0:3:0): an illegal
> memory access was encountered
> [Partition 0][Node 0] End of program
>

"illegal memory access" is a software error (as also proven by using
alternatively one of the two GPUs) that escapes all my attempts at
unraveling its origin. I had no clues from NAMD forum. Hope here.

Thanks for your kind attention

francesco pietra

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Mario Marietto]

or. To learn is more important than to respect a rule that sounds so un
useful for the peoples inside the private home. I would agree to respect it
for the compnanies and the projects which involves money and business, but
that rules goes against the creativty and the willing to know how things
works under the hood. everyone knows how much important is to experiment,to
break some rules and some schemas to invent,to create new opportunities.
macos and windows were born inside the basements of the private houses. Do
you really think that they respected every rule on '70s ? come on. Open
your mind. Respecting every rule does not produce innovation and...does not
even help to create great products. Mine is not an invitation to break
every rule,but to balance carefully what should be respected because is
important to which could avoid if it does not help the circulation of new
ideas and knowledge.

Il mar 22 nov 2022, 11:07 Brad Rogers  ha scritto:

> On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 09:35:59 +
> Peter von Kaehne  wrote:
>
> Hello Peter,
>
> >Which, while it might not stop anyone doing what they like in the
> >privacy of their own home, should be ample reason not to take it to a
> >public mailing list. Postings just as the OP reflect badly not only
> >upon themselves but on others and the project at large.
>
> Alternatively, you could interpret the arrival of the OP's request as a
> result of the fact that;
>
> Most people don't read EULAs.
>
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>  / )  "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
> / _)rad   "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
> You destroyed my confidence, you broke my nerve
> Nervous Wreck - Radio Stars
>

Re: Quels outils pour automatiser le traitement d'alertes reçues par courriel ?

[NoSpam]

Bonjour

Le 22/11/2022 à 10:57, Olivier a écrit :

Bonjour,

Il m'arrive souvent de configurer des machines (serveurs Debian,
équipements réseaux) capables d'émettre des courriels d'alerte vers
une (unique) adresse de destination.

Ces courriels ont naturellement une forme stéréotypée (nom ou
d'adresse d'émission, contenu).
Pour certains d'entre eux, j'aimerai enclencher des traitements
automatiques du type:

1. "je reçois un courriel signalant que le point d'accès WiFi est vu
comme perdu par le contrôleur WiFi,
j'attends 30 minutes
je vérifie si le point d'accès WiFi est connecté au réseau
s'il ne répond pas je coupe le PoE sur le port du commutateur
j'émets un nouveau courriel vers une adresse de niveau 2 un compte
rendu des actions entreprises"
  2. Je ne reconnais pas ce type de message, je le transfère
immédiatement à l'adresse de niveau 2.


Actuellement, je reçois déjà, en continu, sur mon PC et mon smartphone
des alertes qui sont actuellement déposées dans une boîte IMAP.
Je me demande si je n'aurai pas intérêt à :
- créer une adresse de courriel dédié aux alertes,
- considérer mon adresse habituelle de courriel comme une adresse de niveau.

Mes questions:

Quels outils logiciels pour scruter un compte de messagerie dédié aux
alertes et déclencher un script en lui passant le contenu du message ?


Pas besoin d'outil spécial: j'ai mes adresses de destination qui 
génèrent des scripts, c'est géré dans /etc/aliases comme par ex.


videoON:|"/usr/bin/sudo -u uucp /usr/local/bin/setVideo.sh ON"
videoOFF:|"/usr/bin/sudo -u uucp /usr/local/bin/setVideo.sh OFF"

Et le tour est joué ;)

[...]

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 09:35:59 +
Peter von Kaehne  wrote:

Hello Peter,

>Which, while it might not stop anyone doing what they like in the
>privacy of their own home, should be ample reason not to take it to a
>public mailing list. Postings just as the OP reflect badly not only
>upon themselves but on others and the project at large. 

Alternatively, you could interpret the arrival of the OP's request as a
result of the fact that;
 
Most people don't read EULAs.

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Re: Printer not working after upgrading

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 09:42:34 +
Rodolfo Medina  wrote:

Hello Rodolfo,

>I also tried to remove and re-add the printer with no success.  I'm
>stuck, please help, thanks in advance.

Same sort of thing Celejar said about your gv issues;  What printer,
what driver, what were the exact commands and error messages...

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Quels outils pour automatiser le traitement d'alertes reçues par courriel ?

[Olivier]

Bonjour,

Il m'arrive souvent de configurer des machines (serveurs Debian,
équipements réseaux) capables d'émettre des courriels d'alerte vers
une (unique) adresse de destination.

Ces courriels ont naturellement une forme stéréotypée (nom ou
d'adresse d'émission, contenu).
Pour certains d'entre eux, j'aimerai enclencher des traitements
automatiques du type:

1. "je reçois un courriel signalant que le point d'accès WiFi est vu
comme perdu par le contrôleur WiFi,
j'attends 30 minutes
je vérifie si le point d'accès WiFi est connecté au réseau
s'il ne répond pas je coupe le PoE sur le port du commutateur
j'émets un nouveau courriel vers une adresse de niveau 2 un compte
rendu des actions entreprises"
 2. Je ne reconnais pas ce type de message, je le transfère
immédiatement à l'adresse de niveau 2.


Actuellement, je reçois déjà, en continu, sur mon PC et mon smartphone
des alertes qui sont actuellement déposées dans une boîte IMAP.
Je me demande si je n'aurai pas intérêt à :
- créer une adresse de courriel dédié aux alertes,
- considérer mon adresse habituelle de courriel comme une adresse de niveau.

Mes questions:

Quels outils logiciels pour scruter un compte de messagerie dédié aux
alertes et déclencher un script en lui passant le contenu du message ?

Quels pièges à éviter lors d'une mise en place ?

Slts

Re: Printer not working after upgrading

[Peter von Kaehne]

> please help

To help I think people need more than you have given. Printer model, software 
in use, version, printer driver, logs.

Peter

Printer not working after upgrading

[Rodolfo Medina]

I noticed the problem just after upgrading to bullseye from previous stable
Debian version; then I upgraded to Unstable in the hope of solving it but the
problem remains, with error:

 stopped "Filter failed"

I also tried to remove and re-add the printer with no success.  I'm stuck,
please help, thanks in advance.

Rodolfo

Re: MacOS VM on Debian: is it reasonably possible?

[Peter von Kaehne]

>> 
>> Has anyone been able to run a recent version of MacOS as a VM?
> 
> Apart technical issues, there is licence which AFAIK forbids run MacOS
> on non-Apple hardware (regardless if it is bare metal or VM).

Which, while it might not stop anyone doing what they like in the privacy of 
their own home, should be ample reason not to take it to a public mailing list. 
Postings just as the OP reflect badly not only upon themselves but on others 
and the project at large. 

Peter