Re: [solved, more] Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

[Dan Purgert]

On Nov 02, 2024, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: pe...@easthope.ca
> Date: 27 Oct 2024 11:26:12 -0700
> > Rather than spend more time investigating, will put the HDD in the 
> > target machine and work there.  Remove some of the complications.
> 
> Happened to connect a USB hub before dealing with the Void drive.  
> Noticed the USB socket where the Void drive was connected had a black 
> plastic contact carrier and another socket had a blue carrier. Blue is 
> USB 3.  Black isn't?  So plugged the USB adapter with the Void drive 
> into the blue socket.  Voila; Grub was able to boot the Void system 
> reliably. Spent the better part of a day investigating when a USB plug 
> just needed moving.  =8~/
> 
> In case anyone is interested, these topics remain.
> 
> * Why does the ThinkCentre have differing USB sockets?

USB3 is (was) expensive, so it's a cost-reducing thing.  People didn't
have all that much in the way of USB-3 devices, so why bother making
every port USB-3?

> 
> * With the adapter labeled USB 2.0, why is plugging in USB 3 necessary 
> to boot the external system?

USB3-only drive?  Error in the BIOS settings to only allow USB3 booting?

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Re: USB device failing to automount (Kobo reader)

[Dan Ritter]

Chris Green wrote: 
> Dan Ritter  wrote:
> Typical!  I'm sure I tried that yesterday, but anyway it mounts
> manually perfectly OK now.  So all I'm missing is the automatic
> mounting.
> 
> ... and that's just in settings.  While I'm here what's the difference
> between:-
> 
> Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
> and:-
> Mount removable media when inserted

A USB stick is a removable drive. A DVD is removable media.

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Re: USB device failing to automount (Kobo reader)

[Dan Ritter]

Chris Green wrote: 
> I have a Kobo Forma reader (like a Kindle), on xubuntu versions up to
> 24.04 it automounted without problems.  Now I'm running Debian 12 it's
> failing to automount, I can't mount it manually either.
> 
> I get the usual messages at the Kobo end and fdisk shows me /dev/sdc
> but no file system appears.  In dmesg I see:-
> 
> [210397.607735] /dev/scd: Can't open blockdev
> [210446.971129] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, device number 5
> [210447.028493] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Synchronizing SCSI cache
> [210447.028615] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Synchronize Cache(10) failed: Result: 
> hostbyte=DID_NO_CONNECT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK
> [210459.880506] usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 6 using xhci_hcd
> [210460.031177] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=2237, 
> idProduct=4229, bcdDevice= 4.01
> [210460.031200] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=4, 
> SerialNumber=5
> [210460.031212] usb 1-1: Product: eReader-4.38.23038
> [210460.031221] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: Kobo
> [210460.031229] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: N78287514
> [210460.035451] usb-storage 1-1:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
> [210460.035948] scsi host3: usb-storage 1-1:1.0
> [210461.041989] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access LinuxFile-Stor Gadget 
> 0401 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
> [210461.043013] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
> [210461.043534] sd 3:0:0:0: Power-on or device reset occurred
> [210461.056884] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] 14143101 512-byte logical blocks: (7.24 
> GB/6.74 GiB)
> [210461.057201] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
> [210461.057205] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 0f 00 00 00
> [210461.057597] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Write cache: enabled, read cache: 
> enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
> [210461.060279]  sdc:
> [210461.066840] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk

That certainly says that /dev/sdc is the Kobo's storage. What
happens if you do

sudo mount /dev/sdc /mnt

please cut and paste.

-dsr-

Re: Small server hanging after some days - top, load avg and Mem buff/cache question

[Dan Ritter]

B.M. wrote: 
> Thanks a lot for your inputs. In the meantime I disabled zram and added a 2
> GiB swapfile.
> 
> What I don't understand: how can the system have not enough memory problems,
> while it's showing ~ 2 GiB cached/buffer? I'd expect it to free some of that
> and be fine again... 2 GiB is about 50% of the physical RAM of 4 GiB?

That 2GB is being used by zram as swap and cannot be freed.

You probably managed to increase your usable memory by 10-20%
with zram -- at the cost of constantly swapping.

(That's my hypothesis, anyway.)

Let us know what happens in a day or two.

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Re: Small server hanging after some days - top, load avg and Mem buff/cache question

[Dan Ritter]

B.M. wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a small server (Raspberry Pi 4 in fact) and since a couple of weeks it
> repeatedly hangs after some days until I reboot it (after months of uptime
> without any problem - but I changed a few things in the meantime, so maybe
> load is now higher than before).
> 
> At least after installing watchdog it reboots now automatically.
> 
> Here some top output just before reboot:
> 
> load avg 20 18 12 (so: much higher than normal, e.g. 1.1 1.2 1.5 or so)
> MiB Mem: 3835 total, 618 free, 1194 used, 2264 buff/cache
> MiB Swap: 1024 total, 600 free, 430 used, 2640 avail
> 
> Processes with highest CPU usage:
> kswapd0 with 80%

Swapping once is fine. Swapping continuously is bad. 

> java (openhab) 41%
> pg_dump 18%

pg_dump should not be running continuously; if it is running too
long, you need a better way of backing up PG. Replication to
another server is usually very efficient.

> Processes with highest Mem usage:
> java (i.e. openhab) with 626678 virt, 22%
> postgres 338824 virt
> postgre 338800 virt
> 
> From my understanding, there is enough memory available, even swap usage
> wouldn't be necessary, since buff/cache is about 50% of physical memory. Is
> this correct? But than: why is it going to hang afterwards, or why this
> extreme load?
> 
> The only swap device available is zram, no swap partition, no swap file. The
> system runs on btrfs

Ooch. Your system is likely thrashing between using RAM for the
applications (java, PG, pg-dump) and using RAM to swap out from
RAM to compressed RAM (this does not buy you as much as you
think).

The problem, then, is that you don't have enough RAM and you don't
have enough I/O speed to solve the RAM issue temporarily, so it
becomes permanent.

Try disabling swap entirely. 

If that doesn't work, you need a machine with more RAM, or you
need to be using less RAM.

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Re: Trouble with lvreduce and / read-only

[Dan Ritter]

gene heskett wrote: 
> On 10/27/24 10:03, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Geert Stappers wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 05:04:19AM +, Jonathan Wiebe wrote:
> > > > I ran into an issue with my root partition being too small. My plan
> > > > was to reduce the size of my home partition and increase the size of
> > > > my root partition. Here is what I have done:
> > > > 
> > > > First, I rebooted in single user mode.
> > > > Then I did the following:
> > > > # mount / -rw -o remount
> > > 
> > > I understand the '-o remount', not the '-rw'.
> > > And I think "that command might be the culprit"
> > 
> > 
> > It should be
> > 
> > mount / -o remount,rw
> No, that is an endless loop Dan. The idea is to remount a file system with
> errors as read-only in order to prevent further damage from rw operations.
> From there, you can copy to a new location, like a new drive, rescueing the
> data that does survive. That drive made a mistake and that is sad. But limit
> the losses by putting in a new, bigger drive and remake the system to use it
> in place of the drive that upchucked.

Then you want

mount / -o remount,ro

Neither one of these causes an endless loop. Specifying ro or rw
without remount won't work on an already mounted filesystem.

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Re: Trouble with lvreduce and / read-only

[Dan Ritter]

Geert Stappers wrote: 
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 05:04:19AM +, Jonathan Wiebe wrote:
> > I ran into an issue with my root partition being too small. My plan
> > was to reduce the size of my home partition and increase the size of
> > my root partition. Here is what I have done:
> > 
> > First, I rebooted in single user mode.
> > Then I did the following:
> > # mount / -rw -o remount 
> 
> I understand the '-o remount', not the '-rw'.
> And I think "that command might be the culprit"


It should be

mount / -o remount,rw

-dsr-

Re: battery tester

[Dan Ritter]

Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: 
> On Wednesday 23 October 2024 09:38:04 pm Max Nikulin wrote:
> > On 23/10/2024 21:25, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
> > > Connecting the device with a USB cable I see it wake up,  at which point
> > > there's a menu on its screen.
> > 
> > Start "journalctl -f" as root before connecting the device. Logs may 
> > contain some hints how to communicate with it. Perhaps "udevadm monitor" 
> > with some options may provide more low level info.
> 
> I did find some info in one of the log files:
> 
> Oct 24 15:14:28 Workstation1 kernel: [1915052.140032] usb 7-1.4.4: new 
> full-speed USB device number 13 using ehci-pci
> Oct 24 15:14:28 Workstation1 kernel: [1915052.249009] usb 7-1.4.4: New USB 
> device found, idVendor=1a86, idProduct=7523
> Oct 24 15:14:28 Workstation1 kernel: [1915052.249012] usb 7-1.4.4: New USB 
> device strings: Mfr=0, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
> Oct 24 15:14:28 Workstation1 kernel: [1915052.249014] usb 7-1.4.4: Product: 
> USB Serial
> Oct 24 15:14:28 Workstation1 kernel: [1915052.249308] ch341 7-1.4.4:1.0: 
> ch341-uart converter detected
> Oct 24 15:14:28 Workstation1 kernel: [1915052.251232] usb 7-1.4.4: ch341-uart 
> converter now attached to ttyUSB0
> Oct 24 15:14:28 Workstation1 mtp-probe: checking bus 7, device 13: 
> "/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1a.7/usb7/7-1/7-1.4/7-1.4.4"
> Oct 24 15:14:28 Workstation1 mtp-probe: bus: 7, device: 13 was not an MTP 
> device
> Oct 24 15:14:29 Workstation1 org.xfce.FileManager[1332]: thunar-volman: 
> Unsupported USB device type "usb".
> Oct 24 15:14:29 Workstation1 org.xfce.FileManager[1332]: thunar-volman: 
> Unsupported USB device type "ch341".
> 
> I don't recognize that mtp stuff,  and don't know how thunar-volman gets into 
> the picture...

mtp is media transfer protocol, an alternative to USB Mass
Storage. Hence thunar volume manager.

Overall it looks like the mtp-probe is deluded and trying to
mount the unmountable.

-dsr-

Re: STRANGENESS (typographical error???) at http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/README

[Dan Purgert]

On Oct 17, 2024, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 10/17/2024 08:39 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > On Oct 17, 2024, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > While trying to follow a discussion involving a deeply nested debian.org
> > > sub-directory, I attempted to find the purpose of that sub-directory by
> > > following a chain of links titled "Parent Directory".
> > > 
> > > That led to http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ whose first link is to
> > > "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/README"; [NOTE BENE quotation marks].
> > > 
> > > [...]
> 
> Though I understand why Dan clipped [...], it was there for a reason.
> I date back to CPUs with 12AX7s and spent three decades in component level
> (engineering support)/(QA/QC)/(end user support).
> 
> > > 
> > > I pointed my browser to "http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive"; and
> > > got:
> > > 
> > > I went back to the link triggering the "404 error" and added a trailing 
> > > "/"
> > > to the URL. It *then* displayed properly.
> > > 
> > > Is this a typo or a server problem?
> > > [ understand "STRANGENESS" in my Subject: line? ;]
> > 
> > Both, potentially.
> 
> 'Twas afraid of that ;{
> 
> > 
> > The server SHOULD give you the directory with or without the trailing
> > slash, but it seems it's configured such that if you don't have the
> > trailing slash on the directory, it treats it as a file (which isn't
> > there).
> > 
> > I wonder if apache is doing some kind of directory-level virtualization,
> > where it only "exists" if you have the trailing slash on the end (I
> > don't know enough of the internals of apache2 to say one way or the
> > other; but I have run into this with certain configurations of various
> > FTP / SFTP implementations in "commercial" products for business
> > communication).
> > 
> 
> The *clipped* portion of my post included at least one URL with no
> trailing "/" which worked properly.

If it did, then you didn't clearly indicate as such.  As I read the
email, the given story was:

  "README" indicated the URL[1] that responded with a 404. I looked at
  another reference that was URL[2], which included a trailing slash 
  that happened to work.  Is this a typo or a server-side problem?


To which my answer was "both, potentially"; meaning either

  (A) There was an inadvertent typo somewhere in the mix:
  - you, or 
  - author of README

  (B) There is a configuration setting in this particular web-server
  that is causing it to *NOT* treat "dirname" as a valid for a 
  directory that otherwise exists.



Now, re-reading; I see I inadvertently cut out the sentence that I tried
both URL[1] and URL[2] within seconds of one another, lending weight to
the idea that server configuration for archive.debian.org was the
underlying cause.

  
  "Both, potentially. 

I just tested archive.debian.org/debian-archive (without slash) 
and then immediately tried archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ 
(with slash) and got the same result.
  
The server SHOULD [...] "

Makes a world of difference, I think.  One of these days I'll either get
my greymatter to slow down, or my fingers to speed up. :)


[1]"http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive"; 
[2]"http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/"; 

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Re: STRANGENESS (typographical error???) at http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/README

[Dan Purgert]

On Oct 17, 2024, Richard Owlett wrote:
> While trying to follow a discussion involving a deeply nested debian.org
> sub-directory, I attempted to find the purpose of that sub-directory by
> following a chain of links titled "Parent Directory".
> 
> That led to http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ whose first link is to
> "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/README"; [NOTE BENE quotation marks].
> 
> [...]
> 
> I pointed my browser to "http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive"; and
> got:
> 
> I went back to the link triggering the "404 error" and added a trailing "/"
> to the URL. It *then* displayed properly.
> 
> Is this a typo or a server problem?
> [ understand "STRANGENESS" in my Subject: line? ;]

Both, potentially.

The server SHOULD give you the directory with or without the trailing
slash, but it seems it's configured such that if you don't have the
trailing slash on the directory, it treats it as a file (which isn't
there).  

I wonder if apache is doing some kind of directory-level virtualization,
where it only "exists" if you have the trailing slash on the end (I
don't know enough of the internals of apache2 to say one way or the
other; but I have run into this with certain configurations of various
FTP / SFTP implementations in "commercial" products for business
communication).

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Re: state of /etc/profile

[Dan Ritter]

Hans wrote: 
> But I wondered, why this file is not modified during my updates. As people 
> told, /etc/profile is 
> part of the package base-files and is copied from 
> /usr/share/base-files/profile.
> 
> Examination of the files showed, there is a differnce between /etc/profiles 
> and /usr/share/base-
> files/profile. 

When you upgrade packages on an existing system, some packages
will note that they have big changes that you will need to make
in their config files; others will note that the defaults have
changed.

It is up to you to decide to make those small changes.

> I would have expected, that both foles are identical and /etc/profile will be 
> renewed and 
> overwritten during upgrades. 

If it is not necessary, that won't happen. That would change
behavior out from underneath you.

Witness, for example, the unhappiness when the default config
for vim was changed so that people who relied on the system
default config suddenly had X11 cut/paste fail.

> Can someone tell me, why not? And related to this question: Does this 
> behaviour effect other 
> files, too, like bashrc bashrc_aliases and similar?
> 
> I saw some changes to these files in /etc/skel/, so these might only affect 
> newly added users 
> (whoich I do not have). My system is really, really old, first install was 
> Debian/Etch and then 
> upgraded until today (Bookworm).

If it is not necessary to keep the system running, it shouldn't
be changed without your permission. As you note, /etc/skel only
affects newly created users.

You might find it useful to look at the results of:

find /etc -name "*dpkg*" -print

to see what has been proposed in the last upgrade cycle.

-dsr-

Re: Bug in 'more' command

[Dan Ritter]

Chris Green wrote: 
> 
> Hasn't the whole linus/unix world moved to using less instead or more?

If it continues to build and work, there's no reason to discard
it.

Some people have habits ingrained over 40 years, more or less.

-dsr-

Re: If one sets 'Defaults rootpw' in sudoers but no root password is it disaster?

[Dan Ritter]

Chris Green wrote: 
> I'd like to force a different password from my own password when I do
> 'sudo -i' to get root privilege.  However I'm a bit frightened about
> what might happen if I set 'Defaults rootpw' in the sudoers file but
> forget to actually create a root password. (This is on systems where, 
> previously, I've never had a root password).
> 
> Would this totally lock me out from becoming root? Would the only way
> out be to boot into single user mode to mend things?

Mostly, yes.

 
> ... or is visudo clever enough to spot this?

No.

How about this:

Create a second user -- we'll call it foo. Give foo sudo
privileges. Take away sudo privileges from your normal account.

Now, when you want to do something with root privileges, you ssh
to localhost as foo:

ssh foo@localhost

give foo's password to login, then run sudo, giving foo's
password again.

Never use foo or foo's password in any other context.

Does that solve your issue?

-dsr-

Re: Updating from Debian 9.13 to 12.7

[Dan Purgert]

On Oct 13, 2024, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 10/13/2024 04:57 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 08:27:55AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > It has been my habit since days of Squeeze to install the new Debian to a
> > > fresh fresh partition and then use Grub to chose which version for a
> > > particular session.
> > > 
> > > I have two what might loosely be described as configuration questions.
> > > 
> > > 1. I have 2 Panels of icons for launching tools/applications at the
> > > top of my display. Are they inventoried anywhere? I want a "check
> > > sheet" to verify I effectively have the same flexibility on my new
> > > system.
> > > 
> > 
> > Which desktop on Debian 9?
> 
> MATE
> 
> > 
> > Just a preferred arrangement? Write down what the arrangement is and
> > reimplement it for yourself once you've installed 12?
> 
> Essentially what I'm doing ;}
> It's inefficient.
> Debian "knows" and can reproduce icons on an apparently arbitrary
> number if panels. The information is stored somewhere.
> Where?

By "Panel", you mean the actual panel/taskbar, right?

That's *PROBABLY* buried somewhere in gtk settings somewhere
(necessitating, oh what is it ... gconf-editor ... to dump out?)

Granted, Debian 9-12 might represent sufficient time such that changes
to GTK mean you cannot simply dump from one and load to the other.

> [...]
> 
> The system has a "default" icon size and if you only manually place
> files in the Desktop folder what is visually displayed is a regular
> grid on non-overlapping icons.
> 
> At a minimum I want is when manual moving icons they snap to a location on
> THAT grid spacing.
> What actually happens is they are placed at the *precise* pixel
> location you "chose" :{

As I recall (read: poorly ;) ); this is an option in the desktop's
context menu to "snap to grid". 

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Re: Configuration of files on Debian GNU/Linux

[Dan Ritter]

William Torrez Corea wrote: 
> I configure a file for example /etc/network/interfaces.d
> 
> Configure the file, save and exit but the changes are not made. I need to
> make a second configuration.

Do you mean that the file was not saved to disk, or were you
expecting something else to happen?

Most Linux systems do not monitor their config files for changes
and then adopt them automatically. (There are a few programs
that do, but they are exceptions.)

For interfaces.d, I would expect a change after an ifup/ifdown
command.

If the file is not saved to disk, there are bigger problems.

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Re: Debian and open source scroungers

[Dan Purgert]

On Oct 11, 2024, Andre Rodier wrote:
> [...]
> Please, tell me what are your thoughts on this. Am I too pessimistic ? Are
> you, like me, thinking these companies as open source "scroungers" ?

I think it's more that "companies" tend to need assurances (i.e. someone
to call and blame when [insert solution here] doesn't do something in an
expected manner).  So, "Open Source" falls on its face here, with
projects tending to not particularly have that kind of support
infrastructure.

Like, if something goes wrong in [proprietary PGP], you can call
[vendor] and get support (or their devteam to look at it, etc.) --
they're the ones on the hook, not you (well, you are, but you can
deflect a bit to "we're working with the vendor).  On the other hand,
GPG ... well ... maybe the mailing list can help?

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Re: popcon use?

[Dan Ritter]

Lee wrote: 
> There was this bit in the debian-devel mailing list
> 
> >> To make this happen for trixie, I don't see how to do it.  Anyone having
> >> the old 'signify' package on their system would get OpenBSD's signify
> >> instead of the new 'signify-mail' package after an upgrade.  Is that
> >> problem really worth caring about?
> >No: popcon == 58.
> 
> If you don't have popcon enabled, why not?
> 
> I have it enabled and I'm not seeing a real downside to having it
> enabled.  What am I missing?


A security policy that requires a good reason to enable contact
in either direction across a firewall.

That's a set of boxes between 100 and 1000 that I'm responsible
for, all running Debian.

In general, the people who enable popcon are more likely to have
laptops than desktops, and much more likely to run on a desktop
than on a server. They are more likely to be in charge of 1-10
machines, all with haphazard policies, than in charge of a fleet
of machines with a unified policy.

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Re: password manager

[Dan Purgert]

On Oct 08, 2024, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
> what are y'alls recommendations for a password manager

keepassxc here.  


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Re: I/O errors during RAID check but no SMART errors

[Dan Ritter]

Jochen Spieker wrote: 
> I have two disks in a RAID-1:
> 
> | $ cat /proc/mdstat
> | Personalities : [raid1] [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid6] [raid5] 
> [raid4] [raid10]
> | md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2] sdc1[0]
> |   5860390400 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
> |   bitmap: 5/44 pages [20KB], 65536KB chunk
> | 
> | unused devices: 
> 
> During the latest monthly check I got kernel messages like this:
> 
> | Oct 06 00:57:01 jigsaw kernel: md: data-check of RAID array md0
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: ata3.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x400 
> SErr 0x0 action 0x0
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: ata3.00: irq_stat 0x4008
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: ata3.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: ata3.00: cmd 
> 60/80:d0:80:74:f9/08:00:2d:02:00/40 tag 26 ncq dma 1114112 in
> | res 
> 41/40:00:50:77:f9/00:00:2d:02:00/00 Emask 0x409 (media error) 
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: ata3.00: error: { UNC }
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: ata3.00: configured for UDMA/133
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#26 FAILED Result: 
> hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_OK cmd_age=7s
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#26 Sense Key : Medium 
> Error [current]
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#26 Add. Sense: 
> Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#26 CDB: Read(16) 88 00 
> 00 00 00 02 2d f9 74 80 00 00 08 80 00 00
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 9361257600 op 
> 0x0:(READ) flags 0x0 phys_seg 150 prio class 3
> | Oct 06 14:27:11 jigsaw kernel: ata3: EH complete

If this happens once, it's just a thing that happened.

If it happens multiple times, it means that there's a hardware
error: sometimes a cable, rarely the SATA port, often the drive.

> The sector number mentioned at the bottom is increasing during the
> check.

So it repeats, and it's contiguous. That suggests a flaw in the
drive itself.


> The way I understand these messages is that some sectors cannot be read
> from sdb at all and the disk is unable to reallocate the data somewhere
> else (probably because it doesn't know what the data should be in the
> first place).

Yes.  

> The disk has been running continuously for seven years now and I am
> running out of space anyway, so I already ordered a replacement. But I
> do not fully understand what is happening.

The drive is dying, slowly. In this case it's starting with a
bad patch on a platter.


> Two of these message blocks end with this:
> 
> | Oct 07 10:26:12 jigsaw kernel: md/raid1:md0: sdb1: rescheduling sector 
> 10198068744
> 
> What does that mean for the other instances of this error? The data
> is still readable from the other disk in the RAID, right? Why doesn't md
> mention it? Why is the RAID still considered healthy? At some point I
> would expect the disk to be kicked from the RAID.

md will eventually do that, but not until it gets bad enough.
That could be quite noticeable.


> I unmounted the filesystem and performed a bad blocks scan (fsck.ext4
> -fcky) that did not find anything of importance (only "Inode x extent
> tree (at level 1) could be shorter/narrower"), and it also did not yield
> any of the above kernel messages. But another RAID check triggers these
> messages again, just with different sector numbers. The RAID is still
> healthy, though.

I don't think it is.

> Should this tell me that it is new sectors are dying all the time, or
> should this lead me to believe that a cable / the SATA controller is at
> fault? I don't even see any errors with smartctl:

If the sectors were effectively random, a cable fault would be
likely. If the sectors are contiguous or nearly-so, that's
definitely the disk.

 
> | SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
> | Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> | ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED  
> WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
> |   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f   199   169   051Pre-fail  Always
>-   81
> |   3 Spin_Up_Time0x0027   198   197   021Pre-fail  Always
>-   9100
> |   4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always
>-   83
> |   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140Pre-fail  Always
>-   0
> |   7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e   200   200   000Old_age   Always
>-   0
> |   9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   016   016   000Old_age   Always
>-   61794
> |  10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0032   100   253   000Old_age   Always
>-   0
> |  11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   253   000Old_age   Always
>-   0
> |  12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always
>- 

Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

[Dan Ritter]

e...@gmx.us wrote: 
> 
> I use rdiff to do the backups on the "server" (its job is serving video
> content to the TV box over NFS) and ran into that problem, so what I did was
> write a series of scripts that relinked identical files.  It's not perfect,
> I suspect there are still bugs.  It tries to be efficient (by not comparing
> files that can't possibly be the same because they have different sizes, or
> are already linked), but it gets the job done.  Eventually.  Running it
> takes about as long as running the backup in the first place.  But hey,
> we're talking about 1 GiB of filespace which might change by 10-20 MiB
> between backups, so not a big deal.


Possibly of interest: Debian package rdfind:

Description: find duplicate files utility
 rdfind is a program to find duplicate files and optionally list, delete
 them or replace them with symlinks or hard links.  It is a command
 line program written in c++, which has proven to be pretty quick compared
 to its alternatives.

-dsr-

Re: Synaptic Problem

[Dan Purgert]

On Oct 03, 2024, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >   1. (sudo) dpkg -i brscan4-0.4.11-1.amd64.deb
> >   2. (sudo) apt-get update && apt-get -f install
> 
> Of course, such manual install of `.deb` files means that you won't
> automatically get future updates, e.g. to fix security bugs.

Given our friends at Brother don't have any repositories at all, this is
somewhat a moot point.

> To add insult to injury, such `.deb` files often contain proprietary code,
> of course.

Nobody said Brother's printer/scanner driver was open source in the
first place.



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Re: Synaptic Problem

[Dan Purgert]

On Oct 03, 2024, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 03, 2024 at 10:53:30 -0400, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > On Oct 03, 2024, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> > > When I ran linux-brprinter-installer-2.2.4-1 it downloaded:
> > > 
> > > > [...] $ sudo install brscan4-0.4.11-1.amd64.deb
> > > > [...]
> > 
> > Where on earth did you get that command from?
> > 
> > Last time I installed any of Brother's packages (last year, given file
> > timestamps ;) ), the download page came with a full set of instructions.
> > As I recall, they should boil down to essentially something like this:
> > 
> >   1. (sudo) dpkg -i brscan4-0.4.11-1.amd64.deb
> >   2. (sudo) apt-get update && apt-get -f install
> 
> That's the old way, yeah.  It should still work.
> 
> The newer way is:
> 
> (sudo) apt-get update
> (sudo) apt-get install ./brscan4-0.4.11-1.amd64.deb

Certainly a cleaner way, if it has missing dependencies. I'm gonna have
to remember that one when I get a new HDD for the laptop ... 

(I won't :) )

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Re: Synaptic Problem

[Dan Purgert]

On Oct 03, 2024, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/03/2024 09:17 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > On Oct 03, 2024, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> > > I am running Bookworm and have just updated the Brother MFC-L2710DW Laser
> > > Printer Drivers.
> > >   [...]
> > > > E: The package brscan4 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an
> > > > archive for it.
> > > > E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
> > 
> > brscan4 (as with all of Brother's software) is only available as a
> > Brother-supplied *deb package.  You're not going to find it in public
> > repos.
> > 
> > Head on over to https://support.brother.com and grab it.
> > 
> > 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> When I ran linux-brprinter-installer-2.2.4-1 it downloaded:
> 
> > [...] $ sudo install brscan4-0.4.11-1.amd64.deb
> > [...]

Where on earth did you get that command from?

Last time I installed any of Brother's packages (last year, given file
timestamps ;) ), the download page came with a full set of instructions.
As I recall, they should boil down to essentially something like this:

  1. (sudo) dpkg -i brscan4-0.4.11-1.amd64.deb
  2. (sudo) apt-get update && apt-get -f install


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Re: Synaptic Problem

[Dan Purgert]

On Oct 03, 2024, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I am running Bookworm and have just updated the Brother MFC-L2710DW Laser
> Printer Drivers.
>  [...]
> > E: The package brscan4 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an
> > archive for it.
> > E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.


brscan4 (as with all of Brother's software) is only available as a
Brother-supplied *deb package.  You're not going to find it in public
repos.

Head on over to https://support.brother.com and grab it.


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Re: backup of backup or alternating backups?

[Dan Purgert]

On Sep 30, 2024, Default User wrote:
> (...)
> So, is there a consensus on which would be better: 
> 1) continue to "mirror" drive A to drive B?
> or,
> 2) alternate backups daily between drives A and B? 

Primarily, I do (1); though every so often I do a variation of (2).

Backups from all the PCs in the house go to drive "A" (a spare desktop
in the basement playing server) as a daily process.  This is performed
with rsync in a cronjob on the PCs dumping to dated directories and
symlinking the "current", so the next run just hardlinks anything that
hasn't changed.

"Drive A" is backed up to "Drive B" (an external USB SSD; only mounted
for the copy job, then unmounted afterwards).  Every 6 months or so
(yes, this should be more frequent, but meh) I do this with "Drive C",
which otherwise lives at the parents house.


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Re: Change file picker in browsers

[Dan Ritter]

George at Clug wrote: 
> I really hope I am wrong, and there is a way to change the theme
> for "file management" dialog boxes. Does any know of any DE's in which
> this can be done?


It's not a function of the desktop environment.

In Android, it's an externally callable standard function. In Windows,
there's (usually but not always) a standard File Open dialogue, and
calls to that can be intercepted and substituted.

In Linux, it is 100% up to each application, and it is not
expected to be customizable. There is no central authority.

If you change the default GTK theme, that will affect all
applications that respect that. If you change the default GNOME
theme, similarly. If you change the default KDE
theme, similarly. If you change the default XFCE theme... well,
Thunar will change appearance a little.

But you can't ask Firefox to use a different Save or Open
dialogue, sorry.

-dsr-

Re: Is the CPU microcode updated?

[Dan Ritter]

Franco Martelli wrote: 
> On 25/09/24 at 18:16, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > > Is the CPU updated to the latest microcode?
> > Yes.
> > 
> > Resources I needed to find that out for you:
> > https://www.cpu-world.com/cgi-bin/CPUID.pl?CPUID=22328
> 
> Thank you for the time you spent for me
> 
> > and
> > 
> > https://github.com/platomav/CPUMicrocodes/blob/master/AMD/cpu00600F20_ver06000852_2018-02-06_893C1544.bin
> 
> So the CPU's microcode currently installed is dated February 2018, am I
> right?


Correct. And it is not surprising, because AMD hasn't produced a
chip with that core since 2015.

> What I'm looking for it was a procedure to discover if the CPU's microcode
> is synced with that provided by "amd64-microcode" package. Like that posted
> by Jeffrey Walton:

Doesn't matter: it has the latest available from AMD, and either
amd64-microcode has the same version, or it has an earlier
version -- which is unlikely.

-dsr-

Re: Is the CPU microcode updated?

[Dan Ritter]

Franco Martelli wrote: 
> On 25/09/24 at 14:58, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> > What is the output of
> > 
> > sudo dmesg | grep -E '(microcode|model)'
> > 
> > ?
> > This should show information about your CPU model and if its microcode
> > is actually updated.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Jörg.
> > 
> 
> It returns:
> 
> ~# dmesg | grep -E '(microcode|model)'
> [0.131534] smpboot: CPU0: AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor (family:
> 0x15, model: 0x2, stepping: 0x0)
> [0.470751] microcode: microcode updated early to new
> patch_level=0x06000852
> [0.470889] microcode: CPU0: patch_level=0x06000852
> [0.470968] microcode: CPU1: patch_level=0x06000852
> [0.471078] microcode: CPU2: patch_level=0x06000852
> [0.471166] microcode: CPU3: patch_level=0x06000852
> [0.471276] microcode: CPU4: patch_level=0x06000852
> [0.471360] microcode: CPU5: patch_level=0x06000852
> [0.471438] microcode: CPU6: patch_level=0x06000852
> [0.471523] microcode: CPU7: patch_level=0x06000852
> [0.471627] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.2.
> 
> Is the CPU updated to the latest microcode?

Yes.

Resources I needed to find that out for you:
https://www.cpu-world.com/cgi-bin/CPUID.pl?CPUID=22328

and

https://github.com/platomav/CPUMicrocodes/blob/master/AMD/cpu00600F20_ver06000852_2018-02-06_893C1544.bin

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Re: subnet subset blocked

[Dan Ritter]

Adam Weremczuk wrote: 
> On 24/09/2024 22:29, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > What does
> > 
> > ip route show
> > 
> > give you on the VM in question?
> 
> ip route show
> default via 192.168.4.1 dev ens192 onlink
> 192.168.4.0/24 dev ens192 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.4.12
> 
> BINGO!
> 
> 192.168.4.0/24 is wrong, should say 192.168.4.0/22
> 
> Do you know why?
> 
> In /etc/network/interfaces looks correct:
> 
> allow-hotplug ens192
> iface ens192 inet static
> address 192.168.4.12
> mask 255.255.252.0
  
Spell this netmask instead.

-dsr-

Re: subnet subset blocked

[Dan Ritter]

Adam Weremczuk wrote: 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've just launched a Debian 12 VM in VMware (ESXi 7.0.2) and installed
> apache2 / php / postgres stack on it + ssh access.
> 
> Generally we have 3 subnets (IPv4 only):
> 
> - 192.168.4.0/22 (Ethernet LAN) - which starts with 192.168.4.1 and ends
> with 192.168.7.254
> 
> - 10.10.10.0/24 (VPN1)
> 
> - 10.10.20.0/24 (VPN2)
> 
> The new VM runs at 192.168.4.12
> 
> I'm having a weird issue with accessing it:
> 
> DNS resolves fine.
> I can ping and arp it from all addresses.
> There is nothing is switches' config to restrict traffic.
> 
> I can access TCP services (22, 443) from 192.168.4.x, 10.10.10.x and
> 10.10.20.x but not from 192.168.5.x (a subset of Ethernet LAN).
> I have no active 192.168.6.x or 192.168.7.x hosts to test from.
> 
> I've done nothing special during OS installation and config.
> There is no local iptables running on the VM.
> 
> I've run tcpdump on the VM and connections from all 192.168.5.x hosts are
> rejected with R (reset) flag.
> It looks like some OS default or some kind of silent auto-ban causing it.
> Access rejection only affects TCP services, ICMP - ping go through fine.
> 
> I've deployed probably a hundred of various machines in this environment but
> never had this kind of access issue before.

What does 

ip route show

give you on the VM in question?

Are there other VMs on the same host that work properly for the
same tests?

-dsr-

Re: NTP fails to sync local clock

[Dan Ritter]

Steve Keller wrote: 
> Dan Ritter  writes:
> 
> > Does it work without the -6 option?
> 
> No, the same problem.  And ntpq shows that IPv6 is also used, when -6
> isn't given.  But, my NTP server is used by other hosts in the network
> and that works fine.
> 
> > Does it work if you bring back the pool servers?
> 
> Yes, it does.  I get many NTP servers (much more than the 4 pool
> entries), one marked wirh '*', some with '+', some with '#', and a few
> with '-'.
> 
> Can the problem be caused by Debian's change from ntp to ntpsec?  Do I
> need to install keys for my NTP server?  Quite unusual, that no log
> messages appear in the logs.


pools don't support ntpsec keys, so that's probably on the right
track.

You should also check whether you have a firewall on this host
blocking NTP from your local network. It would be strange, but
not impossible.

-dsr-

Re: NTP fails to sync local clock

[Dan Ritter]

Steve Keller wrote: 
> This is on a Raspberry Pi 3 with Raspberry Pi OS Bookworm 64 Bit,
> ie. Debian 12.  I have uninstalled systemd-timesyncd and installed
> ntpsec, then have commented out the 4 NTP servers
> {0,1,2,3}.debian.pool.ntp.org, and instead added my own server with
> 
>   server -6 my-ntp.my-domain
> 
> When I call ntpdate my-ntp.my-domain manually it steps the time as
> expected.  But then, ntpd doesn't sync the local clock to the NTP
> server, although it seems to consider that server's clock stable:
> 
>   $ ntpq -p
>remote refid  st t when poll reach   delay   offset   
> jitter
>   
> =
>   +my-ntp.my-domain  237.17.204.952 u   29   64  377   0.4696  -0.0378   
> 0.0196
>   $ ntpstat 
>   unsynchronised
>  polling server every 1 s
> 
> I usually see a '*' in the first row to indicate that the local clock
> is in sync with that server.  The ntpq(8) man page says about +:
> 
>   +│ included by the combine algorithm
> 
> In /var/log or with journalctl I don't see any hint what might be the
> reason.  When I let it run, the offset as shown by ntpq grows over
> time.


Does it work without the -6 option?

Does it work if you bring back the pool servers?

-dsr-

Re: Lost internet access on Trixie this morning.

[Dan Ritter]

Greg Wooledge wrote: 
> 
> Didn't the initial message say that the Internet *was* working, and then
> suddenly *stopped* working, right in the middle of a download?
> 
> That, together with the interface not being UP, points to the
> configuration being OK, but something going wrong at the hardware or
> kernel level, I think.
> 
> (Unless of course a configuration change was made during that download.)

People sometimes say "download" when what they mean is "apt
upgrade which downloaded several packages".

-dsr-

Re: Lost internet access on Trixie this morning.

[Dan Ritter]

Tom Furie wrote: 
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 03:24:22PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
>  
> > ip address show
> > 2: eno1:  mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default
> > qlen 1000
> > link/ether 44:87:fc:d8:3b:53 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff altname enp0s25
> 
> > I am no expert but it seems to look good. Firefox can't find any site,
> > Thunderbird still reports no connectionss.
> 
> Actually, it doesn't look good - you don't have any ip addresses on eno1,
> the interface is down. You're going to have to find out why that is.

Since it's recognized, it was probably not configured.

Easiest: edit /etc/network/interfaces to include these lines for
eno1:

--
iface eno1 auto
iface eno1 inet dhcp
--

And then run

sudo ifup eno1

to get it running.

-dsr-

Re: Lost internet access on Trixie this morning.

[Dan Ritter]

Frank McCormick wrote: 
> I am faced with a strange problem. I have no internet access on Trixie on
> one of two partitions on my ssd.
> I was attempting to solve a problem I am having with Vivaldi by installing
> Seahorse.  Apt quit halfway through downloading the necessary files
> complaining it could not resolve a bunch of Debian repositories.
> Ever since that I have no internet access in Trixie. It's not a hardware
> problem as I have full access on the other partition which runs Opensuse
> Tumbleweed. Earlier today I did an update of Trixie and it went fine.
> 
> Can someone help me diagnose the problem ?

We can rule out the ISP, the router, any switches in the way,
any cables and the NIC because another OS works on the same
hardware.

What's left?

- firmware for the NIC loaded at boot time
- kernel recognition of the NIC
- IP address (via DHCP? static?)
- routing
- DNS

Testing some of these will rule out others if they succeed. Skip
to the ping check at the end, and if it doesn't work, let's go from the bottom 
up:

ip link show

  If this gets you your NIC, then the firmware is OK and the
  kernel recognizes it. Show us the output, please.

ip address show

  If this gets you the correct (or a correct) IP address, then
DHCP or static address configuration is good. Again, show us the
output.

ping 8.8.8.8

  If this gets through, then your machine can contact the
outside world. At that point, it's probably a DNS issue, and you
should report the contents of /etc/resolv.conf to us.


-dsr- 

Re: startx returns "Xf86EnableIO: failed to enable I/O ports 0000-03ff"

[Dan Ritter]

Pierre Willaime wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> After upgrading from Strech to Booworm (I know: not recommended to jump
> versions), I have some trouble to start X server.
> 
> startx returns this error:
> 
> "Xf86EnableIO: failed to enable I/O ports -03ff (Operation not
> permitted)".

Stretch to Buster to Bookworm would have avoided this.

In that span of time, X11 gained the ability to run without root
privileges, but only with specific support elsewhere. 

Try

sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-legacy

and if that doesn't work, edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
(and read the man page for it)

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Re: Help upgrade to JDK-21

[Dan Ritter]

Arbol One wrote: 
> I'd like to upgrade from JDK-17 to JDK-21.
> Since I am new to, well, Linux in general, I'd like to know from anyone
> who'd done this upgrade if this would be OK under Debian 12 (No
> free-firmwarepackages please).
> Any advice would be much appreciated.


Debian stable (12) does not have openjdk 21; you will need to
get it from another source.

https://openjdk.org/install/

If you install it in /opt, and reference it specifically
whenever you want a program to use it, that should not cause
problems.

-dsr-

Re: Is "How-To use MATE" documented?

[Dan Purgert]

On Sep 05, 2024, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I found:
> I need to know how icons are placed on the default screen which
> displays the contents of "/home/richard/.config/Desktop".
> 
> Placement is where ever cursor happens to to be.
> How can I get them into nice even rows and columns.

Isn't that based on the (right-click) context menu "Align to Grid"
option?  If it's enabled, things are forced to the grid; disabled, icons
can go where-ever.

Been a while since I've used MATE though, might still have a VM with it
as an option that I can check in a few hours, if nobody corrects me
beforehand.

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Re: KDE - Wayland vs X11

[Dan Ritter]

George at Clug wrote: 
> When installing KDE for people, I have been leaving Wayland as the
> compositor, believing that X11 was no longer supported. However
> recently I tested X11 and found the experience was much better.

This is not unusual. Wayland is young and immature.

Wayland has been in the process of replacing X11 for 15 years
now. When X was 15 years old, the X.org domain name was created,
and it wasn't for five more years that the X.org Foundation came
into being.

> At this point of time my KDE with X11 experience is better than my KDE
> with Wayland experience. However I am concerned that at some point,
> somewhere, X11 will not be supported, sadly.

You can be concerned, but I recommend not worrying about it
much.

It is unlikely that X will be actually abandoned until all of
these problems with Wayland are solved.

(There is always somebody who pops up and claims that they have
never had a problem with Wayland, or any such problems no longer
exist. That's their subjective experience, and they are entitled
to be happy about Wayland, but they are not entitled to tell you
that your experience is invalid.)

-dsr-

Re: [HP][Debian Strixie] Unable to install Debian with GUI interface

[Dan Ritter]

Tsai, Letitia (CW) wrote: 
> Hi 
> Not sure which category I should submit so I am writing this letter to gain 
> your guidance on the issue I encountered.
> Hope the information I provided is valid and easy to understand.
> Thank you !
> 
> [Summary]
> Unable to install Debian with GUI interface
> 
> [Steps to reproduce]
> 1. Download Image debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso (dated: 2024/8/19 weekly 
> build : https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/)


Does it work with the stable image?

Testing is called testing because it is not stable. "Not working
right now" is fairly normal for it.


-dsr-

Re: laptop installs

[Dan Ritter]

Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: 
> In the case of two of the three laptops I have here to play with,  it's 
> simply a matter of telling it to boot off the DVD drive and then inserting 
> the appropriate disc and going on from there.  In the case of this other one, 
>  things get a little weird.
> 
> On powerup I see messages referring to PXE,  which if I remember correctly 
> involves booting off a network connection?  There's "Media test failure, 
> check cable" followed by "Exiting PXE ROM" and then I get "No bootable device 
> -- insert boot disk and press any key.
> 
> The thing is,  this machine doesn't have a DVD drive.  What it does have is a 
> couple of USB ports (two different color connectors so I assume different 
> speeds?).  I am also assuming that simply putting an iso file on to a USB 
> stick won't quite do it.  No idea about how to implement anything to do with 
> PXE,  though I can probably safely assume that I have what I need on the LAN 
> here.
> 
> Any thoughts on how best to deal with this?


If the machine can boot from USB, then, yes, writing the ISO to
a USB stick is all you need to do.

If not:

PXE booting requires three things:
- A dhcp server that answers the laptop's initial request for an
  IP address with the additional options that point at a TFTP
  server (isc-dhcp-server or kea, tftpd-hpa)
- a TFTP server serving a PXE boot menu that is configured to
  point at a local web server
- the Debian install images on the local web server

If you are comfortable setting up each of those things -- there
are extensive guides -- PXE booting-and-install is almost magical. If you
need to do it often, I highly recommend it.

But try the USB stick first.

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Re: DEBIAN documentation: which 64 bit processors run current release?

[Dan Ritter]

Richard Owlett wrote: 
> On 08/27/2024 08:14 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > I'm looking for for where *Debian* documents which processors support
> > > current Debian release.

...

> > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s01.en.html
> 
> That was the USELESS page prompting the question!

No, it was the useful page that you didn't understand.

> > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.en.html
> 
> That page is 32 bit oriented. I wish to run *64 bit*.


There I was thinking that we would have a friendly interaction.
Instead you yell at me, ignore what I wrote, and insist that not
only does the world have to cater to you, but it also has to spoon-feed you
information in the exact texture that you prefer.

> > https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/35300/intel-pentium-processor-e5300-2m-cache-2-60-ghz-800-mhz-fsb.html
> > says that the e5300 has the 64 bit instruction set, so it will
> > also run the amd64 release.
> 
> OFF-TOPIC: I explicitly asked for *DEBIAN DOCUMENTATION*.

I gave you the Debian docs. It tells you what you need to look
for. It is not Debian's responsbility, nor would it be a good
use of a volunteer's time, to keep track of every CPU ever made.

Then I gave you the precise reference documentation. It *IS*
Intel's responsibility to keep track of their CPU list, and they
do so quite well.

> Weak point there is the word "should". Based on *your* background.

These CPUs *can* run the Debian AMD64 port. Will your specific
machines? Probably, but there are always manufacturers who
decide to do something bizarre in the name of profit. Nobody can
give you a definitive answer without trying it out on your
specific machines. And that's what you should do.


> I was looking for documentation that *does not* assume the reader has some
> unspecified expertise.

You were looking to not just be spoonfed the answer, but to not
have to learn anything. Tough noogies.

Plonk. 

Re: DEBIAN documentation: which 64 bit processors run current release?

[Dan Purgert]

On Aug 27, 2024, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm looking for for where *Debian* documents which processors support
> current Debian release.
> 
> I have three machines whose processors are 64 bit capable.
> Processors identified by running lscpu:
> 
> Machine 1:
> Architecture: i686
> Model name:   Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU   M 540  @ 2.53GHz
> 
> Machine 2:
> Architecture: x86_64
> Model name:   Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7300  @ 2.00GHz
> 
> Machine 3:
> Architecture: i686
> Model name:   Pentium(R) Dual-Core  CPU  E5300  @ 2.60GHz
> 
> Will the OS linked to by https://www.debian.org/ run on all three?
> [For historical reasons I currently run 32 bit on all.]

As I recall "i686" is a 32-bit "architecture" (i.e. the "80686" aka the
P4 -- something something trademarks, etc. after the '486).  That being
said, the i5-m540 is certainly 64-bit hardware according to Intel's spec
sheets.  Likewise the Pentium-E5300 ([1] and [2], respectively).  Not
really sure why lscpu would tell you they're 32-bit then, outside of
"error" caused by running a 32-bit OS.

As long as they show the 'lm' flag in lscpu, you'll quite likely be
fine.  There aren't really any artificial restrictions or requirements,
such as the TPM module (or whichever generation of the SSE instruction
set).  For comparison, I have buster or bullseye running on some ancient
AMD PhenomII (exact processor forgotten at the moment, I want to say '09
vintage).

Your biggest concern would likely be how much RAM the systems in
question have

  * Anything less than 2GB probably isn't worth it
  * >2G <=4G will "work", though I'd hazard it will always feel 
sluggish
  * >4G will likely work fine under "light" loads (i.e. you'll 
probably kill it with more than a handful of browser tabs open)

For reference, that old PhenomII box I mentioned has 6G of RAM, and its
main problem is "heat" moreso than lack of RAM -- as I recall, the darn
thing likes to idle at 55C or so (I really "should" replace the thermal
compound, but also why bother, it's just for plugging an arduino into
and playing about on the workbench so WHEN I screw up, I don't ruin my
nice machine :)).

  

[1]
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/43544/intel-core-i5-540m-processor-3m-cache-2-53-ghz.html

[2]
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/35300/intel-pentium-processor-e5300-2m-cache-2-60-ghz-800-mhz-fsb.html

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Re: DEBIAN documentation: which 64 bit processors run current release?

[Dan Ritter]

Richard Owlett wrote: 
> I'm looking for for where *Debian* documents which processors support
> current Debian release.
> 
> I have three machines whose processors are 64 bit capable.
> Processors identified by running lscpu:
> 
> Machine 1:
> Architecture: i686
> Model name:   Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU   M 540  @ 2.53GHz
> 
> Machine 2:
> Architecture: x86_64
> Model name:   Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7300  @ 2.00GHz
> 
> Machine 3:
> Architecture: i686
> Model name:   Pentium(R) Dual-Core  CPU  E5300  @ 2.60GHz
> 
> Will the OS linked to by https://www.debian.org/ run on all three?
> [For historical reasons I currently run 32 bit on all.]

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s01.en.html

and

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.en.html

will tell you that the difference is whether the CPU has the
amd64 (also called x86_64) instruction set.

So machine 2 with the t7300 will definitely run the amd64 release.

Next you need to look at the manufacturer's documentation. In
this case, Intel:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/35300/intel-pentium-processor-e5300-2m-cache-2-60-ghz-800-mhz-fsb.html
says that the e5300 has the 64 bit instruction set, so it will
also run the amd64 release.

and

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/30774/intel-celeron-processor-540-1m-cache-1-86-ghz-533-mhz-fsb.html
says that the M540 also has that, so will also run amd64.

All of these CPUs should run Debian amd64.

-dsr-

Re: New System, Problem with FTP

[Dan Ritter]

Steve Matzura wrote: 
> The following is specific to Ubuntu 24.04. If it should go to a
> Ubuntu-specific list, let me know and I'll find out how to make that happen.

Yup. This is a list for Debian users.

> The problem is also related to FTP, which I can't seem to get working. I
> modified /etc/ssh/sshd_config by adding a section at the bottom for "Match
> User" and also to indicate the subsystem being inet-ftp:
> 
> Subsystem ftp internal-sftp

that's not FTP, the classic protocol; that's SFTP, a secure
protocol based on SSH.

If you enable SFTP and try to use an FTP program, it won't work.

Use the 'sftp' program, instead.

In general, nobody should use classic FTP without an
overwhelmingly good reason -- like, the other side is outside of
their control and only offers FTP.

-dsr-

Re: processes, interrupts, and cpus

[Dan Ritter]

fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: 
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
> >> i have a video capture card with 4 separate chips
> >> when i start up i get bttv0 - bttv3
> >> i'm getting a lot of errors in syslog on bttv2 and bttv3
> >> like
> >> bttv: 2: timeout: drop=3888442 irq=27910652/28054718, risc=338f048c, bits: 
> >> HSYNC
> >> bttv: 3: timeout: drop=3940265 irq=27929862/27929862, risc=33adc01c, bits: 
> >> HSYNC
> >>
> >> could it be related to interrupts and cpus
> >> cat /proc/interrupts
> >>   CPU0   CPU1   CPU2  CPU3
> >> 16: 0   26950435  0 0   IO-APIC   16-fasteoi   bttv1
> >> 17: 0  0   28079982 0   IO-APIC   17-fasteoi   bttv2
> >> 18: 0  0   27950635 0   IO-APIC   18-fasteoi   i801_smbus, 
> >> bttv3
> >> 19: 66003  0  0 0   IO-APIC   19-fasteoi   bttv0
> >>
> >> i notice bttv2 and bttv3 are on the same cpu
> >> and bttv3 is sharing an interrupt
> >> is this related to my timeout errors
> >> if so is it correctable
> >
> > Depending on the hardware -- I don't remember the ins and outs
> > of most video capture cards these days -- you should be able to
> > set the interrupt per card either in hardware or at kernel
> > module load time.
> >
> > This could certainly be an issue, especially on a relatively
> > low-powered machine; if you don't have the irqbalance daemon
> > installed, you might try that first.
> >
> > -dsr-
> >
> 
> i installed irqbalance and it dramatically reduced the errors
> from 2-3 a minute to 1 every 3-4 minutes

OK, now you know it's an IRQ sharing problem. Look up docs for
your card and driver module and see if you can push them to
non-competing IRQs.

If they are PCI rather than PCIe cards, you may need to
physically switch slots, or there may be a BIOS change
available.

-dsr-

Re: processes, interrupts, and cpus

[Dan Ritter]

fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: 
> i have a video capture card with 4 separate chips
> when i start up i get bttv0 - bttv3
> i'm getting a lot of errors in syslog on bttv2 and bttv3
> like
> bttv: 2: timeout: drop=3888442 irq=27910652/28054718, risc=338f048c, bits: 
> HSYNC
> bttv: 3: timeout: drop=3940265 irq=27929862/27929862, risc=33adc01c, bits: 
> HSYNC
> 
> could it be related to interrupts and cpus
> cat /proc/interrupts
>   CPU0   CPU1   CPU2  CPU3
> 16: 0   26950435  0 0   IO-APIC   16-fasteoi   bttv1
> 17: 0  0   28079982 0   IO-APIC   17-fasteoi   bttv2
> 18: 0  0   27950635 0   IO-APIC   18-fasteoi   i801_smbus, 
> bttv3
> 19: 66003  0  0 0   IO-APIC   19-fasteoi   bttv0
> 
> i notice bttv2 and bttv3 are on the same cpu
> and bttv3 is sharing an interrupt
> is this related to my timeout errors
> if so is it correctable

Depending on the hardware -- I don't remember the ins and outs
of most video capture cards these days -- you should be able to
set the interrupt per card either in hardware or at kernel
module load time.

This could certainly be an issue, especially on a relatively
low-powered machine; if you don't have the irqbalance daemon
installed, you might try that first.

-dsr-

Re: Finding a Debian consultancy for help with large-scale platform upgrade (Was Re: Systems upgrading)

[Dan Ritter]

Andy Smith wrote: 
> Just as some free advice though…
> 
> 1. I find it hard to believe you have more than 2000 Debian installs
>without some sort of existing automation / configuration
>management
> 
> 2. Given (1), I would approach the task by learning your config
>management and modifying it to deploy a Debian 12 version of each
>kind of Debian 11 server you already have.
> 
> 3. I'd then do a rolling deploy that slowly takes Debian 11 servers
>out of service and re-provisions them as Debian 12. I would not
>try to upgrade anything in place. Although Debian supports that,
>at scale I find it harder to account for all variables than with
>a clean install, and if you already have automation to deploy and
>configure a host then an in-lace upgrade also takes longer in my
>experience.

We do hundreds rather than thousands, but we do them:

- with an existing configuration automation system (chef/cinc)

- in-place upgrades

- in tiers, where a given function (e.g. web servers) will have
  representative machines in each tier, starting with a very
  small proof-of-concept upgrade, followed by corrections; then
  a somewhat larger upgrade group, followed by all the rest of
  the machines.

Automated monitoring, too.

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Re: domain status in registry and registrar

[Dan Ritter]

Bret Busby wrote: 
> On 19/8/24 21:00, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > Even less than that: just a DNS record, i.e. some entry in the global
> > name database mapping the name to... anything (an IP address, another
> > name, a mail exchange, whatever).
> > 
> > You can reserve the name and postpone creating a DNS record for it.
> > 
> > As often, the Wikipedia [1] gives a good read on that.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS
> 
> 
> As a person who has a few web sites, the first step, is registering the
> domain name, then, the second step, is obtaining web hosting. Upon the
> obtaining of the web hosting, DNS addresses (the IP numbers for the DNS
> servers) (for, usually, each of the primary server and secondary server),
> are then allocated. In the absence of obtaining web hosting, no DNS server
> is allocated.
> 
> That is from my experience.
> 
> Your experience may be different.

That's because you are purchasing a bundle of services from one
company.

These things are all available separately:

- domain name registration (annual fee) - establishes the name
  of busby.net and points it at one or more name servers

- domain name service (can be self-hosted, or provided through a
  free or paid service, or a combination) - maintains and
  updates records for www.busby.net, mail.busby.net, etc. to
  translate names into IP addresses.

- mail service (can be self-hosted or otherwise)

- basic web hosting (same)

and whatever else you'd like.

-dsr-

Re: domain status in registry and registrar

[Dan Purgert]

On Aug 19, 2024, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 03:49:11PM +0800, Wesley wrote:
> > First of all, I apologize for my lack of knowledge about the domain name
> > registration industry.
> 
> No need. We all stumble in the dark :-)
> 
> > I checked a domain name, datafarm.net, and its DNS
> > showed that there was no record (nxdomain) at the registry.
> 
> No. This only means that there is no DNS record for that name. Very
> strictly speaking, that your name server doesn't know that there is
> one (but generally, DNS works globally, so).

Only if a global record was created.  It's entirely possible that the
domain serves an 'internal-only' purpose for the entity that registered
it.  


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Re: Cross-platform contacts program/app recommendations?

[Dan Ritter]

Michael Kj??rling wrote: 
> On 14 Aug 2024 21:22 -0600, from charlescur...@charlescurley.com (Charles 
> Curley):
> >> I am looking at Contacts+ as a possible solution. Has anyone had any
> >> good experience with it, or do you have a better solution to
> >> recommend?
> > 
> > Take a look at Nextcloud. Open source, free, available in Debian repos,
> > syncs with IOS and Mac contacts. I've been using it for several years
> > now.
> 
> I too was going to suggest Nextcloud; with the caveat that I don't see
> the server portion in the Debian Bookworm repos (though it is free and
> open source). It is also available as a managed-hosting service from
> multiple companies throughout the world if you don't want to have to
> do the hosting and maintenance yourself.

NextCloud is currently in a phase of its life where major
version changes are coming frequently; rather more often than
Debian Stable releases.

It would need to be adopted into stable-updates, and have a team
of DDs willing to keep up with it.

NextCloud has its own internal update mechanism, which is now fairly
reliable (it was not in years past) so once you install it, it's
not so bad.

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Re: stop using APT!

[Dan Purgert]

On Aug 14, 2024, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Stop using apt, apt support for mysql is so poor!
> 
> What does that mean?

I think it means the person doesn't understand that mysql is dead.

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A definitive answer to "what domain should I use at

[Dan Ritter]

home?"
Reply-To: 
X-Message-Flag: WARNING: Danger from LLM misuse - find shelter!
X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett


https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/08/dot_internal_ratified/

The summary: use .internal for internal naming. it will not
conflict with any future TLD.

Re: Little typo bug - package unknown

[Dan Ritter]

Hans wrote: 
> Wheh connecting a mobile fdrom Samsung to my computer, the message in 
> /var/log/syslog 
> tells:
> 
> 
> 2024-08-07T13:11:14.047644+02:00 protheus2 kernel: [ 2649.347050] usb 2-1.1: 
> Product: 
> MSM8952 
> 2024-08-07T13:11:14.047647+02:00 protheus2 kernel: [ 2649.347054] usb 2-1.1: 
> Manufacturer: Sasmsung
> 
> As we know, it should be "Samsung" not "Sasmsung". I believe it does no harm 
> and it is just a 
> typo. However, as I could not get, which package is responsible for it (this 
> showed also in kali 
> and other debian installations), I allow me to ask here. 
> 
> If one knows, please drop the developer a short message.

Almost certainly the package is usb.ids, which provides a
translation from USB ID numbers to names.

-dsr-

Re: iptables to nftables?

[Dan Ritter]

Wesley wrote: 
> We have several debian servers, all running iptables. On average each has 200 
> rules, mostly deny rules. From a best practice perspective, do we need to 
> upgrade to nftables?
>

iptables is currently implemented in terms of nftables. While it
is possible that someday that interface will be removed, you
don't need to do anything until you see that day arriving.

200 is a lot for a human to manage. You may be able to simplify your
iptables rules by taking advantage of ipset for large numbers of
IPs (hash:ip) or ports (bitmap:port) that need similar
treatment.  That's available in nftables as well.


-dsr-

Re: Internet facing Firewalls mDNS UPnP SMB

[Dan Purgert]

On Aug 04, 2024, George at Clug wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sunday, 04-08-2024 at 16:15 john doe wrote:
> > On 8/4/24 06:48, jeremy ardley wrote:
> > >
> > > On 4/08/2024 12:26 pm, George at Clug wrote:
> > >>
> > >> If I go to the local coffee shop and connect my laptop to their WiFi,
> > >> which incoming and now outgoing ports should I have blocked to ensure
> > >> that no nefarious people are able to communicate with my laptop
> > >
> > > The rules for public networks are very simple.
> > >
> > > - Allow all outgoing traffic
> > >
> > 
> > On a laptop, inbound connections should be restricted unless you want
> > services to be accessible on your laptop by way of FWing and and
> > securing the services.
> > 
> > Outbound connections is up to you.
> 
> Thanks, John,
> 
> I do like the idea of blocking all outbound connections, and only
> opening ports that are required for whatever services I want to use. 
> 
> For servers I often do, but for workstations, sadly I am often lazy
> and default to allowing all outgoing traffic.

It's perfectly fine for a server or other installation that's setup to
do "one thing" -- but the idea just falls over when you want to do
"generic things" on the machine.   

There's just too much out there that's running behind AWS / Cloudflare /
etc. that you can't just block them; likewise, new protocols and the
like (which, yes, are focused to "the web", but details) will just fail
if you only allow certain ports to be reached.

As for the (snipped) analogies you made -- they more addressed the ideas
of 'security in depth' as a general concept, rather than addressed
"outbound firewalls" at all.



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Re: dot internal and mDNS

[Dan Ritter]

George at Clug wrote: 
 
> It is not iptables anymore, it is nftables. It is not 'reboot' or 'shutdown 
> -r now' it is 'systemctl reboot', it is not syslog it is journalctl. 


iptables still exists, and it calls nftables to do the work
underneath.

If you are using systemd, it's systemctl reboot, but you don't
have to use systemd. Since you are using systemd, both
/sbin/reboot and /sbin/shutdown should have been linked to
systemctl for you.

The systemd journal is pretty awful, but just installing
rsyslogd on a systemd system does almost everything you want.

There have certainly been missteps. Mostly they get fixed.

-dsr-

Re: ot: how to access hdmi

[Dan Ritter]

fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: 
> i have a asrock q1900 pro3
> 'https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q1900M Pro3/'
> i have debian 11 running with no problems
> the board has vga and hdmi
> i am only able to get a display via vga
> any suggestions on how to enable the hdmi
> i see nothing related in the bios

Do you want both active at once or just prefer to plug in an
HDMI monitor instead of a VGA monitor?

If just the HDMI monitor: have you tried a power cycle with only that 
monitor connected?

If both: what does xrandr say when you have X11 running? If X
does not run, what error are you getting?

-dsr-

Re: nsswitch what should come first

[Dan Ritter]

Lee wrote: 
> uh oh ..
> "It would be as well to check whether any functioning print queues
> have been automatically installed by cups-browsed prior to a manual
> setup. This can be done with
>  lpstat -a"
> 
> $ lpstat -a
> Canon_MG3600_series accepting requests since Sat Aug  3 00:00:28 2024
> HP_ENVY_5540_series_20A070_ accepting requests since Sat Aug  3 00:00:28 2024

Not terrible. The only conflict with multiple definitions of the
same printer is when multiple people try to use them
simultaneously.

> I'd have to go back to an /etc/nsswitch.conf with
> hosts:  files dns
> and then manually configure the print queues.  Correct?

Or re-trigger automatic configs, yes.

> > and use either
> > the web interface on port 631 or system-config-printer in a GUI
> > to set up your printer. If it's recent, it can probably use the
> > ipp driver; if it is middle-aged, it can probably be used via
> > the port 9100 lp system.
> 
> Thanks for the info.  I'm not sure that manual configuration is all
> that much better than the automatic stuff tho..  it seems like if
> someone can get on my network and respond to mDNS queries I've got
> worse problems than them impersonating a printer.

Let's say that the problems start with impersonating a printer
and get more severe from there.

> Am I missing something or does manually configuring printer queues
> just remove my print queue dependency on avahi / mDNS?
> I can see not wanting mDNS in a work environment, but at home??  I
> don't see how it improves my security all that much.

It does not particularly affect security in this scenario, no.

I was offering answers to your questions rather than polict
recommendations.


-dsr-

Re: nsswitch what should come first

[Dan Ritter]

Lee wrote: 
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 7:29 PM Dan Ritter wrote:
> > I do. If you assign an IP and a DNS name to the IP, all the
> > network printers I am aware of will work just fine. (They don't
> > care about the DNS name, either, but it's more convenient if you
> > don't want to remember the IP.)
> 
> Yep, a static IP address is assigned via DHCP and the name exists in
> DNS.  Now what?
> 
> if it's not obvious, I know appx. zip about linux administration, so
> hints about what to do after assigning a name and address would be
> appreciated.

Easiest thing to do: set up CUPSd on one of your machines. 

sudo apt install cups


Then read https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting and use either
the web interface on port 631 or system-config-printer in a GUI
to set up your printer. If it's recent, it can probably use the 
ipp driver; if it is middle-aged, it can probably be used via
the port 9100 lp system.

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Re: nsswitch what should come first

[Dan Ritter]

Lee wrote: 
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 10:40 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> >
> > I personally remove mDNS and Bonjour from my machines. mDNS is not the
> > source of truth on my networks. Rather, DNS is the source of truth in
> > my networks ...
> 
> Do you have any network printers?  That work without having mDNS enabled?


I do. If you assign an IP and a DNS name to the IP, all the
network printers I am aware of will work just fine. (They don't
care about the DNS name, either, but it's more convenient if you
don't want to remember the IP.)

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Re: nsswitch what should come first

[Dan Ritter]

George at Clug wrote: 
> Do you know if there is a good place to post Bind9 DNS server configuration 
> questions to?  

There's a bind-users list: https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users

Do search the archive before posting questions; there's a high
likelihood that the answer is already there.

> I desire to set up an isolated-from-the-Internet environment to test DMARC 
> and DNSSEC protected email systems, hence I want to replicate the Internet's 
> DNS system, or to put it, configure a TLD nameservers for Chain of Trust in 
> my Isolated network that is not able to reach the ICANN's real TLD 
> nameservers.

The big thing there is that you will need to set up a local
certificate authority to manufacture your test certificates.
Generating the certs is not difficult, but keeping track of
everything is very complex.


> https://www.cloudflare.com/en-au/learning/dns/dns-records/dns-dmarc-record/
> Domain-based Message Authentication Reporting and Conformance (DMARC) is a 
> method of authenticating email messages. A DMARC policy tells a receiving 
> email server what to do after checking a domain's Sender Policy Framework 
> (SPF) and DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) records, which are additional 
> email authentication methods.

DMARC is a policy statement about how receivers should treat
SPF and DKIM failures. It's a reasonably simple syntax that goes
in your DNS, and does not require DNSSEC.

SPF is a policy statement about what mail servers you think
should be sending email from your domain; it is also a
reasonably simple syntax that goes in your DNS and does not
require DNSSEC.

DKIM is a complex system of cryptographically signing certain
headers in email that passes through your mail system and also
publishing keys in DNS. It does not require DNSSEC.

If you're not opposed to spending a little money, Michael Lucas
just wrote Run Your Own Mail Server, which is a serious guide to
both practice and theory. 
https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com/product/ryoms-preorder/

I understand that it is now in final proofs before delivery to
purchasers. I bought in early and have a pre-production sample;
this is a really good book.


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Re: systemd may silently break your system!

[Dan Ritter]

Andy Smith wrote: 
> This whole thing just seems like the normal process of developing
> and packaging a distribution. Poor interactions are found, reported,
> hopefully will be fixed. But once again there's people trying to use
> this as a daily driver and having weird expectations. And then some
> sort of triggering around anything involving systemd.
> 
> I feel like we see it more and more, these expectations about sid,
> and I don't understand why.

There are people who have become invested in the idea that sid
is "stable enough" and have been told that it is comparable to a
rolling release model.

They have been misinformed but seem resistant to correction.

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Re: need help: unmet dependencies

[Dan Ritter]

Michael Morgan wrote: 
> When I ran "apt --fix-broken install", I got the following message:
> 
> The following additional packages will be installed:
>   chromium-browser chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   chromium-browser chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra
> 
> But when I continued with the installation, it froze again:
> Reading changelogs... 33%
> 
> What should I do?

1. Check disk space:
sudo df -h
sudo df -i

If you are out of disk space on any filesystem, or out of
inodes, you will need to clear space before doing anything else.

2. Clear existing packages.
sudo apt clean

3. Get a new update on repository state:
sudo apt update

4. Download the new packages without installing them:
sudo apt upgrade -d

5. Install the new packages:
sudo apt upgrade

Each step needs to be successful before starting the next one;
if you run into errors or warnings, come back and tell us
exactly what they are.

Re: nginx or apache for php?

[Dan Ritter]

Walt E wrote: 
> I have been using apache2 + php for years under debian.
> But I heard people says nginx + php has better performance.
> Do you have experience on both of setup and share a bit with me?


I have experience on both.

Do you have a performance problem? If not, don't change.

If you do have a performance problem: how much have you
optimized already? What methods have you used? Can you define
the gap between what you have and what you need?

How much is it worth to you in terms of time, and in terms of
money?

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Re: Network-manager issue after installation, was: Re: your mail

[Dan Ritter]

Franco Martelli wrote: 
> On 30/07/24 at 17:29, Tawsif wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 01:08:39PM +0600, Tawsif wrote:
> > I have a very small storage size for my laptop (64gb). So, I installed
> > debian minimal in it.
> 
> If you can, reinstalls Debian as usual, my KDE's installation takes about
> 10GB:

There is no need to reinstall Debian to add KDE, or any other
desktop environment, or to switch from one to another.

sudo apt install kde-standard

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Re: Looking for a qr code reader/displayer

[Dan Ritter]

gene heskett wrote: 
> Un-fortunately, in synaptic, only the first hit seems to have a displayable
> screenshot. All the rest only have an empty box.
> 
> So assuming i'm missing the display things, what am I missing?
> 
> And assuming I could display them since the first hit seems to have a
> screenshot, which seems to be random tree foliage why are the others a blank
> box?
> 
> Using xfce as a desktop.  What do I need to make an $18 supermarket scanner
> read these things for firefox?


The supermarket scanner might not be able to read QR codes; most
supermarkets use UPC and similar 1 dimensional bar codes.

You can encode any text you want into a QR code and save it as
a PNG with the qrencode package.

If you want other barcode formats, the zint package handles
almost all of them, including QR.

You can display the QR code in a terminal with the qrterminal
package -- no X11 or Wayland required.

If you want an X11 program to create and display QR codes,
the qreator package does all of that.

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Re: Where is the user community? (Was Re: Strange behavior of ifupdown package)

[Dan Ritter]

Michel Verdier wrote: 
> On 2024-07-28, Michael Grant wrote:
> 
> +1 to all you say.
> 
> > Maybe one of you younger folks can teach me how one deals with keeping
> > up with a forum like that.
> 
> Once upon a time there was usenet. After a while there was a mail-to-news
> gateway. It ease a lot coping with this change of medium. If the same
> could be done with mailing lists <-> forums, perhaps the miracle would
> come again :)

There is, as far as I know, exactly one system that works that
way.

The good news: it's open source with a Debian-acceptable
license.

The bad news: it's not packaged. It appears to be primarily, or
solely, the effort of one person. And it only has one running
instance that I'm aware of.

https://forum.dlang.org/ is the discussion system for the D
language. The web "forum" is a front end for Usenet. The mailing
list is a gateway for Usenet. And, of course, you can access it
via a Usenet server.

It also generates RSS (Atom) feeds and runs an IRC channel.

https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed has the source code. 


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Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

[Dan Ritter]

Greg Wooledge wrote: 
> In my testing, I ran vim with no arguments, and typed in a single line
> of gibberish.  Then, I moved the cursor to column 0.  Finally, I typed
> out the command 20l in a different terminal, highlighted it, and pasted
> it into vim.  Rather than moving my cursor 20 characters to the right,
> it inserted the literal string "20l".  Specifically, it acts as if I
> had pressed "i20lESC".  I began and ended in command mode, but command
> text was inserted as if I had been in insert mode.


This is reminiscent of the bracketed paste mode.  Were you (is
everyone here?) using a terminal with that turned on?

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Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

[Dan Ritter]

Stefan Monnier wrote: 
> >   - software updates that run as root (including Debian updates)
> > can run anything else as root
> 
> So, maybe a more relevant discussion is: what will happen when a Debian
> stable security update comes with a "big blunder" that crashes the most
> machines in early boot?
> 
> Admittedly, the wider variety of Debian installs might make the "most"
> above much less likely, but it's still something that can
> definitely happen.
> 
> What does Debian do to try and avoid that, and what do *we* (Debian
> users) do to try and mitigate that?


Testing is necessary but not sufficient. If you can afford to have a
spare machine or a spare VM that gets upgraded a few days before your
other machines do, and test the heck out of that.

At sufficient scale -- a scale which is within the reach of increasingly
many people as storage costs continue to reduce -- we can keep our own
mirrors of upstream.

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Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

[Dan Ritter]

Richmond wrote: 
> Jeffrey Walton  writes:
> 
> Yes the updates should be tested at every stage. Maybe people think that
> they cannot stop updates, but they can use Group Policy to stop Windows
> Update. Or maybe they are afraid if they don't allow virus updates then
> they will allow a virus?

This wasn't Windows Update. This is more akin to Firefox's
Mozilla-owned self-updating.

Are we sufficiently far away from Debian now?

The relevant bits for Debian:

  - when you give root privileges to someone, they own your
computer

  - software updates that run as root (including Debian updates)
can run anything else as root

  - insiders and organizations you hire need to be part of your
security assessment

  - intentional and unintentional acts can do the same amount of
damage


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Re: Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

[Dan Ritter]

Mike wrote: 
> I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to
> be built.  I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off
> with relative ease.
> 
> The issue is detecting when it needs to be done.  ie after a change in
> the running kernel.  At the moment, it's detected by the TV guide
> running out of data and triggering an Icinga alert, which then causes me
> to investigate and rebuild the kernel module.  I was hoping for
> something a little more automated.  I'm envisioning something which
> starts on boot checking if the kernel has changed and if so, kicking off
> the kernel module rebuild script.

That's what the DKMS system is for, only it triggers when apt
updates the kernel rather than after a reboot.

https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/dkms

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Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

[Dan Ritter]

Celejar wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm currently on kernel 6.9.8 (amd64 / Sid). Installing 6.9.9 fails due to
> running out of space on /boot:

... 
 
> I'm not sure why I'm hitting this now - did Debian just change
> something? Is anyone else hitting this? Is this documented somewhere?
> Is there a straightforward fix / workaround?

Of course something changed: it's Sid.

It will probably be straightened out before it hits stable.

Do you need this firmware? If so, do you need it at boot time?
There are kernel build options. Building it as a module and
making sure that initrd doesn't include it is pretty normal for
a number of kernel modules.

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Re: web site displays blank page

[Dan Ritter]

e...@gmx.us wrote: 
> On 7/18/24 02:06, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > My ISP is RTA.  I am in a rural area near Austinn, Texas, and have a > 10/1 
> > microwave link.  Could the problem be with RTA?
> 
> It's probably a routing issue between you and them. Or maybe "delivery
> content network" (That's what it's called, right?  A company with fat pipes
> in several places that rents out their bandwidth.) got temporarily
> misconfigured.  their I've had instances where one or more sites become
> inaccessible for minutes or hours, then work again.


Content delivery network -- in this case, Akamai, which I used
to work for 20 years ago.

The 429 error indicates either that the local node is
overwhelmed (unlikely) or that the client has asked for a limit
on traffic to prevent a giant bill.

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Re: umask - default user settings?

[Dan Purgert]

On Jul 16, 2024, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Somehow I'm glad I stayed away from DEs and systemd up to now. Perhaps I
> > just retire before the alternatives aren't viable anymore. Or perhaps, as
> > with PulseAudio, I can leapfrog that "tech".
> 
> Retirement is no solution.
> What shall we retirees do when X11 is laid to rest ?
> I am not aware of anything like fvwm running on Wayland.

Use tty1 with screen/tmux? :D

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Re: Bug Report

[Dan Ritter]

Richard Bostrom wrote: 
> Bug in my opinion.
> 
> /etc/resolv.conf does not block out pornography


/etc/resolv.conf is where you configure one or more DNS servers.
Three is usually optimal.

If you choose DNS servers that resolve everything, you get
everything. If you choose DNS servers run by censors that you
agree with, you get their views. And if you choose DNS servers
run by people whom you disagree with, you get their views.

Make your choice.

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Re: General questions

[Dan Purgert]

On Jul 11, 2024, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 17:23:43 +0500, 타토카 wrote:
> > But, what do you mean: "Because you haven't established a chain of trust
> > from yourself to any of the signatures."
> 
> Imagine someone walks up to you on the street and hands you a contract,
> which is signed by someone you've never heard of.
> 
> You don't know the guy who gave you the contract.  You've never seen him
> before.  So, you don't trust him. [...]

I always liked the analogy of schoolwork / notes.

Say you missed last Friday's class, and you need the notes (where "the
notes" correspond to "the pgp key in question").

Scenario A: "untrusted" ("website with a link / posted fingerprint")
You run into someone from class, who you don't really know all that
well, but you do know they answer the professor pretty often (and
correctly at that).  

Scenario B: "web of trust" ("one or more trusted signatures on that key")
Nearly the same as "A", but the other person is a friend-of-a-friend.
You can ask your friend when you meet them for lunch if you can trust
the classmate's notes.

Scenario C: "fully trusted" ("you made the effort to verify the owner")
You ask you best friend since second grade for their notes.  You know
they've been an "A" student since forever, and they take amazing notes.



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Re: Program Not Showing Up in Menu

[Dan Ritter]

Patrick Wayodi wrote: 
> I have installed a program but it's not showing up in the Applications
> menu. The program is called Monero. I installed it using these commands:
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install monero

That's because it has no graphical interface. It's a daemon plus
command line tools.

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Re: ask for drivers

[Dan Ritter]

Jeff Pang wrote: 
> greetings,
> 
> I am trying to install Debian on my counterfeit pad. Do you know where to
> find touch screen drivers?

Can you run lsusb and lspci or otherwise provide details on what
hardware is installed? 

cat /proc/bus/input/devices 
might be of use.

X11 touch screen input is normally handled by an xinput driver;
not all of them are installed by default when you install xorg.

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Re: stty permanently undef "start"

[Dan Ritter]

Franco Martelli wrote: 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I sometime use "rtorrent" (apt show rtorrent) to download isos and other big
> files. It happens that when I had to quit rtorrent by press Ctrl-Q I cannot
> because the key combination Ctrl-Q is trapped by the console due to "stty"
> default configuration:

A glance at the wiki suggests that ctrl-Q just calls
"system.shutdown.normal"

So binding any other key to that command would be useful for
you. 

Unfortunately, issue #817 says:

"You can override/set key-bindings with rtorrent-ps, although
you have to build your own ;) or get a precompiled build if
you're lucky."

Otherwise it would be ctrl-x, then system.shutdown.normal.

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Re: Automatic creation of last-known-good boot configuration

[Dan Ritter]

Jens Schmidt wrote: 
> On Debian testing I've been bitten by the systemd upgrade and the
> systemd package split recently, rendering my dracut-LUKS-based
> system unbootable.  I know that my warranty is void since I'm on
> testing, but both these issues would have been much easier to cope
> with if there had been some good backup of my initramfs and kernel
> below /boot.
> 
> So I thought that there might be some automatism like this:
> 
>   If the currently used kernel and initramfs have been in use
>   already N times and if the boot time has been lower then M
>   minutes each time (and if some other conditions are fulfilled),
>   then consider that kernel and initramfs good and save them away
>   where they will not be overwritten by regular kernel/initramfs
>   maintenance.

Are you using grub as your bootloader? Normally apt upgrade
leaves the last N (N=5?) kernels and initramfs in /boot, and
configures grub to make them available. apt dist-upgrade, on the
other hand, tries to remove the oldest unused kernel and
initramfs each time.

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Re: General questions

[Dan Ritter]

타토카 wrote: 
> Hello, dear Debian Community. I have several questions:
> 1. Are all subscriptions to Debian free?

Yes. There are non-Debian businesses which can sell you support,
if you like, but Debian software is all free.

> 2. How to check Debian Image Authentication? Is checksum verification
> (sha216sum, sha512sum) enough? Should I verify with GPG? If so, how can I
> do that? Or can you give me any additional advice to do right verification?

Verify a downloaded image with the checksum:

https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

After that, package updates from Debian HTTPS sources will be
good.

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Re: Results of Testmail_1-3

[Dan Purgert]

On Jul 04, 2024, Hans wrote:
> So, these are th eresults:
> 
> 1. A new created maiil does not have a spam tag.
> 
> 2. Reply to my own mail does also not have a spam tag.
> 
> 3. Reply to any user mail DOES have a spam tag.
> 
> So it looks like there is something , which some mailservers do not like. 


Looking at your "test3" mail that you replied (and got ***SPAM*** on); I
see the following details (and a score of -5.8 vs. a target of 4.0)

  tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,
MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,  
  
RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED


The "DNSWL_HI" is the big help there, having a value of "-5". But even
without that, from the look of things, your message would only be about
a 0.2 thanks to the DKIM checks.  

  DKIM_INVALID => 0.1
  DKIM_SIGNED => 0.1

Note -- checked on spamassassin 3.4.6 running on Bullseye.

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Re: Installing gitlab on sid

[Dan Ritter]

Lucio Crusca wrote: 
> Il 03/07/24 13:48, Jeff Pang ha scritto:
> > 
> > maybe you can use rbenv to install the required ruby toolkit?
> > 
> 
> I'm afraid that's not the point. I assume that
> 
> # apt-get install gitlab
> 
> should just work out of the box, or there is a problem, either on my part,
> or in the gitlab package itself.

You're running sid; being broken is expected. Talk to the maintainer.

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Re: timeout for iptables

[Dan Ritter]

Max Nikulin wrote: 
> On 02/07/2024 19:28, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > iptables (which are currently implemented in nftables) don't have a native
> > timeout;
> 
> nft sets have the timeout option. Isn't it to specify interval of time to
> remove elements?

It works with ipset, which I always think of as an nft feature
rather than an iptables feature. You are correct; that would
work here.

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Re: timeout for iptables

[Dan Ritter]

Jeff Peng wrote: 
> Is there a tool for maintaining the timeout for iptables rules?
> 
> for example, one IP would be blocked by my iptables for 24 hours, and
> another IP should be blocked for one week.

iptables (which are currently implemented in nftables) don't have a native
timeout; you need to use an external tool to insert and remove them.

The best way of doing that is to have a separate table that you
call (for blocking purposes, called from INPUT; if you're
maintaining a firewall, from FORWARD) and use your tool to only
insert and remove lines from that table.

There's a package called fail2ban which is normally used to
inspect logs and issue ban rules based on the logs; it has a
timeout feature. It would be relatively easy to write a new
config for fail2ban rather than implement all the rest of this
yourself. Set up a couple of fake logs files, one for 24 hour
bans and one for 7 day bans, and write IPs to those files,
letting fail2ban take care of the rest.

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Re: Shell UA

[Dan Ritter]

Jeff Peng wrote: 
> Do u know if there is a shell UserAgent that can be used to log in gmail?
> 

mutt can support OAUTH or an app-specific password; if you can
set up the latter, most other mail agents can also use it.

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Re: how2 format a flash drive

[Dan Ritter]

Lee wrote: 
> My gripes and difficulties are the same thing.  No universal image
> viewer like Ifranview,

`apt search image viewer` suggests:  eog, eom, ephoto, photoqt..
among dozens of others. But start with one of those.


> an html editor would be nice -- something along
> the lines of the seamonkey html editor but current software and
> supported

`apt search html editor` offers a bunch of suggestions, but
really most editors have support for specialized syntax checking
and previews and such. You might try bluefish.

> , something equivalent to notepad++

Assuming that you don't want the graphical forms of emacs or
vim, how about bluefish, or notepadqq ?

>, something equivalent to
> winmerge (meld is nice, but isn't really a substitute)

You will have to be specific about what makes meld "not a
substitute". Assume whoever you are talking to doesn't know what
winmerge is.

> , a cloneSpy equivalent would be nice

duff, perforate, rdfind, dupeguru...

> Exact Audio Copy doesn't work on Linux, but supposedly does run under
> wine so that's a possibility..

You want to pull stuff off of an optical disk? cdparanoia, or
one of the things that wraps it like ripit or ripperx.


> Debian firefox does NOT allow one to do
> TLS intercept - ie. this does not work:
> C:\UTIL>cat firefox-tlsdecode.bat
> set SSLKEYLOGFILE=C:\Users\Lee\AppData\Local\Temp\FF-SSLkeys.txt
> start C:\"Program Files\Firefox\Firefox.exe"
> 
> @rem wireshark:
> @rem   edit / preferences
> @rem   protocols / tls  (v2.6: protocols / ssl)
> @rem paste SSLKEYLOGFILE filename into (Pre)-Master-Secret log
> filename (was SSL debug file entry)

I have no idea what you are trying to do there, but I'm sure a
DOS batch file won't run here, especially since it appears to
mostly be comments.

Describe what you want to do, not how you want it to happen.

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Re: Need help with narroely focused use case of Emacs

[Dan Ritter]

Richard Owlett wrote: 
> On 06/28/2024 03:53 PM, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> > On 28 Jun 2024 14:04 -0500, from rowl...@access.net (Richard Owlett):
> > > I need to replace ANY occurrence of
> > >  
> > >thru [at most]
> > >  
> > > by
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I'm reformatting a Bible stored in HTML format for a particular set of
> > > vision impaired seniors (myself included). Each chapter is in its own 
> > > file.
> > > 
> > > How do I open a file.
> > > Do the above replacement.
> > > Save and close the file.
> > 
> > Ignoring the question about Emacs
> 
> Emacs *CAN NOT* be ignored.
> It is the _available_ editor known to be capable of handling regular
> expressions.

If your machine doesn't have sed, it is not a working Debian
system. 

Every Debian machine comes with sed by default.  Even the
rescue image has sed. The installer environment, before Debian
is actually installed, has sed. sed is a basic tool that
everyone has access to. emacs needs to be installed, and often
is not.

I know from past experience that it's useless to offer you any
solution that deviates from the vision you have for the way the
world ought to work, but this is a sufficiently common kind of
problem that a full answer will be useful to other people.

> > and focusing on the goal (your
> > question otherwise is an excellent example of a XY question), this is
> > not something regular expressions are very good at.
> 
> HUH ??

An XY question is when someone asks "How can I do specific thing
X?" but what they want to do is task Y, which is more easily
accomplished in a different way that doesn't involve X at all.
Usually this means that they have read something that tells them
about X in a different context, and they think that is an
essential part of solving their Y problem.

If we're lucky, they tell us what Y is. Frequently, XY questions
just show up as "How do I do X?" without context.

It happens a lot on this mailing list.

Or, maybe your expression of disbelief was about regular
expressions? A regular expression (regexp) is a specific kind of
formal language for specifying a pattern of tokens -- what we
often call a "string". If the regexp describes a candidate
string, we call that a "match". A common editing task is to find
all the matches for a regexp and replace them with some other
string.

The program "grep" takes its name from a sequence of editor
commands: global regular expression print. 

Michael says that regexps aren't great at this particular task
because there's a variable component in the pattern which is
hard to describe. He comes up with a clever solution based on
the fact that the variable component is going to be an integer
sequence.


> > However, since
> > it's presumably a once-only operation, I assume that you can live with
> > it being done in a suboptimal way in terms of performance.
> > 
> > In that case, assuming for simplicity that all the files are in a
> > single directory, you could try something similar to:
> > 
> > $ for v in $(seq 1 119); do sed -i 's, > id="V'$v'">,,g' ./*.html; done
 
This sets up a loop which will execute 119 times, incrementing
the variable $v from 1 to 119. Inside the loop, it calls `sed`
to execute inplace (-i) which means it will change the files it
encounters rather than spitting out new files on standard out.

The command passed to sed is

s,,,g

s means string substitution. It takes a pattern, a replacement,
and options, separated by the next character after the s, which
in this case is a comma.



is the pattern. Because of the loop, the value $v is going to be
replaced by the shell before sed sees this, so on various runs
through the loop sed will see:



...




You'll probably need to adjust this for other books.

Anyway, whenever sed sees the pattern above, it will replace it
with:



which is what you said you wanted.

The option "g" means that said should do this multiple times if
it occurs in the same file (globally, like grep) instead of the
default behavior which is to find the first match and just
change that.

./*.html

tells sed to operate on all the files in the current directory
ending in .html -- yes, shells implement a version of regexp for
file pattern matching. And that's the end of the loop.


> I'll have to investigate sed further.
> My project is not yet to the point of automatically editing ALL chapters. I
> need to first establish how to edit all VERSES of an individual chapter.

The solution Michael presented can be run on just one file
instead of all the .html files in the current directory.


> ROFL ;} No one would define me as a "programmer". I took an introduction to
> computers course as a E.E. student in the 60's. Most of my jobs required
> background in component level analog electronics. Got one assignment because
> I was not "afraid" of 8080 ;}

The true UNIX philosophy is that at any moment, any user can
stop being "just a user" and use the tools present to do some
programming to solve their problems. 

Re: fail2ban: default 5 attemps == 1 SSH client connection?

[Dan Ritter]

Steffen Dettmer wrote: 
> I encountered multiple times that debian based containers use fail2ban by
> default with a max attempt value of 5, even for SSH logins using strong
> asymmetric keys.

There is no "debian based container" standard. Talk to whoever
built your container.  (Why isn't it you?)

fail2ban can be adjusted in /etc/fail2ban/jail.local -- set
maxretry.

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Re: Why can't i get gnome extensions installed on bookwork?

[Dan Ritter]

DdB wrote: 
> Hello list,
> 
>  i am out of luck and into a rabbit hole, please help me out!
> 
> Now, i am lost. I thought, in stable, the Fox-esr would be compatible
> with the gnome extensions, but it claims, that would not be case.
> 
> What am i missing?

As far as I can tell, this needs two parts. A Debian package
(gnome-browser-connector) and a Firefox extension which comes
from https://extensions.gnome.org/ 

- GNOME doesn't want to support the extensions.
- Firefox doesn't want to support the extensions.
- Debian doesn't want to support the extensions but provides
the package
- the person who wrote the GNOME extension manager doesn't
  provide support.

-dsr-

Re: htmldoc default font size

[Dan Ritter]

Roger Price wrote: 
> I'm using htmldoc 1.9.11-4+deb11u3 to convert html files to pdf.  When
> playing with the fontsize option I discover that the default is not a whole
> number, more like 11.2 points.  Is this the expected behaviour ?
> 
> Background: The manual at https://www.msweet.org/htmldoc/htmldoc.html#3_2_23
> says “The --fontsize option specifies the base font size for the entire
> document in points (1 point = 1/72nd inch)”, but doesn't say what the
> default value is if the option is omitted.
> 
> What is the default font size?

Use this as a test file:

testfile
here is the base text

run it through htmldoc without using a --fontsize option, open
the resulting pdf and measure?

htmldoc is very badly outdated; if you want proper control, you
want to use pandoc (yes, Debian packages it) and a CSS file.

-dsr-

Re: MoinMoin wikis and Debian 11+

[Dan Ritter]

Greg Wooledge wrote: 
> As we're nearing the end of life for Debian 10, I'm still wondering
> what MoinMoin wiki users are supposed to do.  (This includes
>  as near as I can see from SystemInfo.)

...

> Or should we burn the entire site down, migrate to some other wiki
> engine (please gods don't let it need PHP), and start all over?


https://gitlab.com/anarcat/moin2iki/ converts moinmoin to
ikiwiki. ikiwiki ( https://ikiwiki.info/ ) is written
in Perl, not PHP, and is packaged in Debian 12. 

-dsr-

Re: disable GUI/X?

[Dan Ritter]

David Chmelik wrote: 
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:47:58 +0200, tomas wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:39:50AM -, David Chmelik wrote:
> >> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> >> > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC):
> >> > 
> >> >> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot?  I just want to run it when I
> >> >> decide as startx/startxfce/etc.
> >> > 
> >> > # systemctl get-default [...]
> > 
> >> What about in the case I use SysVInit so don't have systemctl?

sudo update-rc.d lightdm disable

Documentation improvement (optical and USB install media)

[Dan Ritter]

Nobody is advocating removing the optical disk media options.

There are no plans to do so, that I am aware of.

Planning to do so would not make sense, since the current build
process happily produces images suitable for both optical disks
and USB filesystem devices.

All the discussion has been about documentation changes, to make
it more clear how to use the existing images.


-dsr-

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

[Dan Ritter]

Vitold S wrote: 
> Is there a chance to change in next versions i.e. Debain 13 or other
> versions an assembly specifically for a USB flash drive as primary
> download? Do you think the time has come? When do you think this moment
> will happen?

Several years ago.

https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst

says:

---

You can download a couple of image files of small size, suitable for USB Sticks 
and similar devices, write them to the media, and then start the installation 
by booting from that.

There is some diversity in the support for installing from various very small 
images between the architectures.

For details, please refer to the installation manual for your architecture, 
especially the chapter "Obtaining System Installation Media".

Here are the links to the available image files (look at the MANIFEST file for 
information):

amd64 arm64 armhf i386 mips64el ppc64el s390x

Re: can't connect to eduroam due to SSL3 unsupported protocol

[Dan Ritter]

Vincent Lefevre wrote: 
> On 2024-06-17 08:26:39 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > On stable:
> > $ openssl list -disabled
> > Disabled algorithms:
> > IDEA
> > MD2
> > MDC2
> > RC5
> > SCTP
> > SSL3
> > ZLIB
> > 
> > So, SSL3 support was removed at least that long ago. I think it
> > was actually dropped around 2016.
> 
> That's strange because when I installed the machine in October,
> there were no issues.

Perhaps the change is not in your system but in theirs?

-dsr-

Re: can't connect to eduroam due to SSL3 unsupported protocol

[Dan Ritter]

Vincent Lefevre wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> Under Debian/unstable, I can't connect to eduroam due to the following
> reason:
> 
> Jun 17 13:58:31 qaa wpa_supplicant[1184]: wlp0s20f3: 
> CTRL-EVENT-EAP-PROPOSED-METHOD vendor=0 method=25
> Jun 17 13:58:31 qaa wpa_supplicant[1184]: wlp0s20f3: CTRL-EVENT-EAP-METHOD 
> EAP vendor 0 method 25 (PEAP) selected
> Jun 17 13:58:31 qaa wpa_supplicant[1184]: SSL: SSL3 alert: write (local SSL3 
> detected an error):fatal:protocol version
> Jun 17 13:58:31 qaa wpa_supplicant[1184]: OpenSSL: openssl_handshake - 
> SSL_connect error:0A000102:SSL routines::unsupported protocol
> Jun 17 13:58:36 qaa wpa_supplicant[1184]: wlp0s20f3: CTRL-EVENT-EAP-FAILURE 
> EAP authentication failed
> 
> Anyone knows what's wrong?
> 
> (There were such kinds of issues several years ago, but I thought
> this was fixed.)

On stable:
$ openssl list -disabled
Disabled algorithms:
IDEA
MD2
MDC2
RC5
SCTP
SSL3
ZLIB

So, SSL3 support was removed at least that long ago. I think it
was actually dropped around 2016.

The problem is almost certainly that someone at the eduroam
server config doesn't know the difference between SSL3 and
TLS1.3, or something similar. You'll need to talk to them about
why they haven't enabled TLS1, 1.1, 1.2 or 1.3 -- of these, only
1.2 and 1.3 are recommended.

-dsr-

Re: No image from analog cameras with TW6816 video capture card.

[Dan Ritter]

A. F. Cano wrote: 
> 
> I hope this is the proper forum to post this.  The more relevant lists
> of years ago are no longer active:
> 
> https://www.linuxtv.org/lists.php
> 
> I'm trying to get these Lorex SR AIS color cameras, that are supposedly
> capable of 1024 x 768 max and 728 x 488 NTSC, to work with a bluecherry
> TW-220-8 board, identified by lshw as:
> 
> Intersil Techwell TW6816 multimedia video controller Rev 10.
> 
> The driver (tw68):
> 
> The first suspicious thing is that the board is apparently not detected by the
> kernel, or not identified as matching what the tw58 driver supports.  Before a
> manual
> 
> modprobe -v tw68

Does 
v4l2-ctl --list-devices
return anything useful?

If so, do you then get useful things from
v4l-info

The existence of /dev/video? devices implies that the kernel has
recognized the hardware to some extent.

-dsr-

Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size

[Dan Ritter]

Bret Busby wrote: 
> On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> > I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email
> > reader that's named after a cheap wine.
> > 
> 
> ?

USA-centric reference. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavored_fortified_wine

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