Re: printer replacement

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-08-30 at 15:50 +0200, Loris Bennett wrote:
> I subsequently bought an Epson, which also works fine with Debian.
> However, I print so little these days that when I do, the nozzles
> have
> always dried up and I have to go through the whole maintenance
> rigmarole
> and use up half a dozen sheets just to print a single page :-/

I print a cups test page on my Epsos EcoTank 2720 every week or so, if
I haven't printed something else that contains some colors. That's
enough to keep the print heads clean.

Re: printer replacement

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-08-30 at 15:28 +0200, Gerard ROBIN wrote:
> I tried to configure the HP Smart Tank 7006 printer but it
> was impossible: HPLIP is not suitable, CUPS does not see the printer,
> avahi
> does not either. The Linux driver for this printer is missing.
> Finally I
> returned it and now I'm still looking ... I will think about what Van
> Snyder
> wrote and look elsewhere than at HP ?

I have an Epson EcoTank 2720 printer/scanner, and a Brother HL5470DW
duplexing laser printer, both of which work without significant
problems in Debian 12.5 I have a Canon MP 360 printer/scanner that
Debian is happy with, but its print heads have quit working, so I only
use its scanner. I like its command-line interface.

Re: printer replacement

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2024-08-29 at 14:41 +0200, Gerard ROBIN wrote:
> Hello,
> my old hp ptotosmart printer died. It worked fine with HPLIP. Now I
> have to
> buy a new one but they all use "HP Smart" for Windows exclusively. I
> would
> like to know if these printers are still compatible with HPLIP. The
> printer
> I want to buy is the "HP OfficeJet Pro 8134e All-ine-One" which is
> linux
> compatible according to the specifications but which is configurable
> with
> "HP Smart" under Windows. Will HPLIP be valid for this printer also
> under
> linux ? Otherwise how can it be configured ?

About thirty years ago A printer in a box was put on my desk at work. I
don't remember the HP model, but the box said "ready for use with
Windows, Mac or Unix." There were disks of drivers for Windows and Mac
in the box, but none for Unix. I called HP and explained that I had an
HP 720 running HP-UX. The "customer service" agent asked "Is that
Windows or Mac?" I explained slowly that's "Hewlett-Packard Unix." She
repeated her question. I eventually got an e-mail from a user in Norway
who told me the drivers are on the HP-UX distribution disks, but you
needed to get a free "key" from HP to unlock them. There was extra for-
fee software on the distribution disks for which one had to buy a key,
but why where the free HP printer drivers locked on the disk?

The bottom line is that if things at HP haven't changed, be skeptical
of their commitment to Linux support.

> tia.
> 

Re: Is anybody maintaining nedit?

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2024-08-27 at 20:01 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> Which key is Compose?

I've gone to KDE System Settings => Keyboard => Advanced => Position of
compose key and selected the right-ALT key.

> In nedit, does it do whatever is engraved on it, or whatever the

Highlight something with left drag, then left-ALT middle drag exchanges
them

Doing it with right-ALT just replaces the left-drag selection with the
middle-drag selection

Is anybody maintaining nedit?

[Van Snyder]

Is anybody maintaining nedit? There's a list of developers on the "Help
=> Version" menu but no addresses.

The "Help => problems and defects" and "Help => Version" menus give a
URL that lands on a site in Finland. I assume it's in Finland because
it's all in Suomi, and has nothing to do with nedit.

I'm running Debian 12.5 with KDE 5.27.5.

I use "Nedit released by Debian (1:5.7-3)" with "Motif (Untested)
2.3.8" and "Server: The X.Org Foundation 12101007."

Sometimes after I've been editing for a while, the dialogue boxes stop
allowing keyboard input.

Is this a nedit thing, or has KDE somehow subverted it? Or, if I'm
using Wayland instead of Xorg (how would I know)?

Although it claims to be built with locale en_US.UTF-8, it doesn't do
anything with "compose" keystrokes such as "Compose" / O to make Ø. but
it's perfectly happy to let me input them if I create them elsewhere,
such as in this mailer.  Is there a way to use compose keys in nedit?

Re: nouveau OK for GTX 970?

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2024-08-08 at 10:17 +1000, George at Clug wrote:
> I could elaborate further if you want. However, in summary, my
> experience is that both Nvidia and Radeon work well with used with
> their own drivers (as packaged with Linux).

If Debian and NVidia decide not to keep the driver available with newer
releases, you're stuck with nouveau.

I ran glmark2 on my primary desktop, with NVidia Quadro K2200 and the
535 driver. The score was 4455. Then I ran it on another desktop with
GeForce GT 630. nvidia-detect says it's "not supported by any driver
version up to 535.183.01." Searching for the driver at NVidia says I
need the 340 driver -- which has not been available since Debian 10. So
that computer is running nouveau. The glmark2 score is 29. An NVidia
driver (if it could be installed in Debian 12.5) would apparently be
about 150 times faster.

Re: nouveau OK for GTX 970?

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2024-08-06 at 14:56 -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote:
> Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so tiny
> as to
> > > be nearly illegible.

You can change the grub fonts. I think the default is unicode.pf2,
which is usually too small to read on anything but VGA. I found
DejaVuSansMono*pf2 in various sizes. It's not part of my installation.
I don't remember whence I downloaded it. Look for pf2 fonts. For my
setup, 24 works best. Put the font file in /boot/grub/fonts (I don't
know whether this is necessary) and /usr/share/grub/. Then add 

GRUB_FONT="/usr/share/grub/DejaVuSansMono24.pf2"

(or whatever font you like) to /etc/default/grub and run grub-update.

Maybe GRUB_FONT="/boot/grub/fonts/DejaVuSansMono24.pf2" would work; I
haven't tried it.

Re: nouveau OK for GTX 970?

[Van Snyder]

NVidia's driver search
at https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx says that many drivers
still available with Debian 12 support this card. I don't know which
one is installed by "apt install nvidia-drivers" but it might be 535.
You can get a script to install a specific driver from the search page.
I installed 535 for my GM107L (K2200) without any problems. Run nvidia-
detect and see which one it recommends.

On Tue, 2024-08-06 at 20:43 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2024-08-06 13:11 -0400, Eben King wrote:
> 
> > Hi, I got a new-to-me EVGA Nvidia GTX 970.  I understand the
> > Nouveau driver
> > handles this card.  Is this correct?
> 
> Some features are missing, e.g. there is no accelerated video
> decoding.
> Running a desktop should not be a problem though.
> 
> > If so, do I just install the packages, install the card, tell the
> > BIOS to
> > use it, power off, move the monitors, and that's it?  With the card
> > connected, I can log in from console, but X won't run.
> > 
> > Also Grub gets a different video mode, maybe 24x80 instead of so
> > tiny as to
> > be nearly illegible.  Probably fine.  Yeah I could probably change
> > it if I
> > wanted.  I did change the console.
> 
> That may be a sign that the firmware for the card is not installed,
> AFAIK it is necessary to do anything useful with it.  In Debian 12
> and
> earlier the firmware is in the package firmware-misc-nonfree, in
> unstable and testing it has been relocated to a new
> firmware-nvidia-graphics package.
> 
> Cheers,
>    Sven
> 

Re: nvidia vs nouveau driver and initrd.* size

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2024-08-03 at 23:49 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2024-08-01 12:12:31 -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
> > On Thu, 2024-08-01 at 15:26 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > Should I switch to the proprietary nvidia driver on these
> > > machines?
> > 
> > Without NVidia's graphics accelerator, using software rendering
> > with
> > nouveau is painfully slow. Sometimes even the mouse cursor is
> > frozen.
> 
> Well, with an old machine (~ 10 years old), nouveau was indeed
> painfully slow (e.g. when moving a window or when scrolling),
> but only with multiple screens. I did not have any issue with
> a single screen. And my new machines are OK with nouveau.
> 
> > This is especially the case if you're looking at a web page that
> > has an
> > annoying video ad playing in a sidebar.
> > 
> > The NVidia 390 driver is not available for Debian 12 (and it might
> > not
> > have been available for Debian 11). I wasted a lot of my time, and
> > a
> > lot of bandwidth in this discussion list, trying to install it. On
> > my
> > desktop, I installed a Quadro K2200 card to replace by GeForce card
> > --
> > so now a computer that I use less frequently is stuck with nouveau.
> > On
> > a laptop, I'm stuck with nouveau or returning to Debian 10.
> 
> The NVidia 390 driver is still available in unstable:
> 
> zira:~> apt-show-versions -a nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver
> nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver:amd64 390.157-6 install ok installed
> No stable version
> No stable-updates version
> No testing version
> nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver:amd64 390.157-8 unstable ftp.debian.org
> No experimental version
> nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver:amd64/unstable 390.157-6 upgradeable to
> 390.157-8
> 
> I suppose that you can use it even with Debian 12 (I haven't checked
> the dependencies, though), but you need to request the unstable
> packages in your sources.list file.

Either it's not available, or I'm doing something wrong (or
incomplete).

I added /etc/apt/preferences.d/nvidia-390 containing

Package: nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver
Pin: release o=debian a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 10

Then, to avoid sucking anything more from unstable, I added
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/my-default containing

APT::Default-Release "stable";

Then

# apt-show-versions -a nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver
nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver not installed (not available)

# nvidia-detect
Detected NVIDIA GPUs:
04:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108
[GeForce GT 630] [10de:0f00] (rev a1)

Checking card: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 630] (rev a1)
Your card is only supported by the 390 legacy drivers series, which is
only available up to bullseye.

This is a desktop, and the graphics card is indeed a "card" so I could,
in principle, replace it with a newer one.

On my laptop (Dell Vostro 1700)

# nvidia-detect 
Detected NVIDIA GPUs:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G86M
[GeForce 8400M GS] [10de:0427] (rev a1)

Checking card: NVIDIA Corporation G86M [GeForce 8400M GS] (rev a1)
Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version up to
535.183.01.
A newer driver may add support for your card.
Newer driver releases may be available in backports, unstable or
experimental.

is soldered to the
motherboard. https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx says the 340
driver is needed here too.

Re: nvidia vs nouveau driver and initrd.* size

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2024-08-01 at 15:26 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> I have several Debian/unstable machines, all with a Nvidia card.
> 
> On one of them, due to a bug in nouveau in the past, I use the
> proprietary nvidia driver: libnvidia-legacy-390xx-* packages.
> And the initrd size is reasonable:

…

> Should I switch to the proprietary nvidia driver on these machines?

Without NVidia's graphics accelerator, using software rendering with
nouveau is painfully slow. Sometimes even the mouse cursor is frozen.
This is especially the case if you're looking at a web page that has an
annoying video ad playing in a sidebar.

The NVidia 390 driver is not available for Debian 12 (and it might not
have been available for Debian 11). I wasted a lot of my time, and a
lot of bandwidth in this discussion list, trying to install it. On my
desktop, I installed a Quadro K2200 card to replace by GeForce card --
so now a computer that I use less frequently is stuck with nouveau. On
a laptop, I'm stuck with nouveau or returning to Debian 10.

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 09:31 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Van Snyder wrote:
> > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable
> > wants to
> > load a shared object library.
> 
> I doubt that it is possible to make a purely statical binary with no
> references to .any so libraries.
> (If it were generally possible, why then exist Flatpack and Snap ?)
> 
> Check by program "ldd" which dynamic dependencies the binary has:
> 
>   ldd ./LinuxSusser

Am I losing my mind?

At first I had done "file LinuxSusser". It reported "Statically
linked."

Just to be sure, I did the recommended "ldd LinuxSusser." It also
reported Statically linked."

When I retry them, "file" says it's dynamically linked, and "ldd"
reports about two dozen links to missing shared object libraries.

I installed the first of them (which had already existed in an amd64
version), forcing an i386 version:

# sudo apt install libgtk2.0-0:i386

Now, instead of simply refusing to run, or (the original "Command not
found") it lists a bunch of missing gtk modules (atk-bridge, pixmap,
adwaita), not missing shared object libraries. Where do I get the
missing gtk modules?

The program is not a Debian package. I got it years ago (2006) in a zip
file from the author, so I don't understand why it was statically
linked a few hours ago. The file's time stamp hasn't changed.


> 
> 
> Have a nice day :)
> 
> Thomas
> 

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 05:54 +, David wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 04:56, Van Snyder 
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm trying to run a 32-bit static executable on 64-bit Debian 12.5
> > "bookworm."
> > 
> > When I launch it, I get
> > 
> > ./LinuxSusser: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-
> > 2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> 
> Hi, try
>   apt list --installed  '*libgtk2.0*'
> which you will want to show that the i386 version of the libgtk2.0-0
> package is installed alongside any other versions present.
> 
> If it does not appear there then try installing it, using whatever
> package
> manager you prefer, and specify that you want the i386 package to be
> co-installed with any other versions already present.

I suspected it's not installed, so I had already done 

# find /usr/lib -name '*libgtk2.0*'
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk2.0-0

(I also used "locate" and didn't find it.)

I made sure that i386 is in the arch list in /etc/apt/sources.list.
Then I ran "apt update" but it didn't install the i386 version. Does it
exist? How do I force it to install?

And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable wants
to load a shared object library.

> 
> Reference:
> https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libgtk-x11&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any
> 

Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

[Van Snyder]

I'm trying to run a 32-bit static executable on 64-bit Debian 12.5
"bookworm."

When I launch it, I get

./LinuxSusser: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-
2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Why is a static executable wanting to load a .so file?

i386 is in my arch list in /etc/apt/sources.list. I've done "apt
update"

The 64-bit version of the file exists.

I used to be able to run this program in Debian 10.

How do I run it now? The author has retired and isn't interested in
building a 64-bit executable (static or otherwise).

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2024-07-18 at 07:55 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 08:00:06PM -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
> > On Wed, 2024-07-17 at 22:17 -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote:
> > > On 7/17/24 21:25, Gary Dale wrote:
> > > > I'm running Debian/Trixie on an AMD64 system, using the Plasma
> > > > 5
> > > > over X
> > > > desktop. Firefox 115.12.0esr is crashing multiple times per
> > > > day. It
> > > > frequently happens when page I'm transfers to another page that
> > > > creates a  > PDF or just has a complicated link. It's annoying.
> > 
> > I upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 12.5 "Bookworm." The NVidia 390
> > driver no longer works, so I had software rendering because nouveau
> > apparently can't do GPU rendering. Rather than crashing, the system
> > essentially froze. After waiting for a VERY long time, I would give
> > up
> > and cycle power, with my reboot set up to start an empty session,
> > not
> > the one I had going at time of the power cycle. I replaced the
> > graphics
> > card with a Quadro K2200, which works with the nvidia-drivers
> > package
> > that's still part of the Debian 12.5 distro. With GPU rendering, I
> > no
> > longer have the problem.
> > 
> 
> HOW did you upgrade? Did you go via 11?
> 
> Did you purge all Nvidia drivers at that point? Nouveau works fairly
> well
> if there's no other trace of Nvidia on the system. Freezing is
> definitely
> a symptom of drivers fighting.

Fresh install on reformatted boot and root partitions.

> > I can't do that with my old Dell Vostro 1700 because the NVidia
> > graphics chip is soldered to the motherboard, and it needs the 340
> > driver, which is also no longer available.
> > 
> 
> If this is the Dell with dual chipsets - one Nvidia to do the heavy 
> graphics, an Intel chipset for basics - like a bunch of gaming
> laptops
> you'd need to look at the Debian Nvidia pages for primus and so on.

One chipset.

> If it *just* has Nvidia - at this point, use Nouveau - stop trying to
> use Nvidia drivers on old hardware and that Dell is 2008 vintage?

I gave up trying to install the NVidia 340 driver on Debian 12.5. If
the rendering is unbearably slow, I'll revert to Debian 10.

> Software movces on - the very latest Nvidia drivers are "more free"
> but
> also incorporate entire RISC-V chipsets on board the latest cards.

I can't upgrade a soldered-in chip.

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-07-17 at 22:17 -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote:
> On 7/17/24 21:25, Gary Dale wrote:
> > I'm running Debian/Trixie on an AMD64 system, using the Plasma 5
> > over X
> > desktop. Firefox 115.12.0esr is crashing multiple times per day. It
> > frequently happens when page I'm transfers to another page that
> > creates a  > PDF or just has a complicated link. It's annoying.

I upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 12.5 "Bookworm." The NVidia 390
driver no longer works, so I had software rendering because nouveau
apparently can't do GPU rendering. Rather than crashing, the system
essentially froze. After waiting for a VERY long time, I would give up
and cycle power, with my reboot set up to start an empty session, not
the one I had going at time of the power cycle. I replaced the graphics
card with a Quadro K2200, which works with the nvidia-drivers package
that's still part of the Debian 12.5 distro. With GPU rendering, I no
longer have the problem.

I can't do that with my old Dell Vostro 1700 because the NVidia
graphics chip is soldered to the motherboard, and it needs the 340
driver, which is also no longer available.

I tried several of the methods discussed in this thread to get the
drivers working, but had no success. Maybe I was just holding my mouth
wrong.

> 
> 
> I have Firefox 115.13.0esr and it rarely crashes for me, and I have
> dozens
> of tabs open.  I use straight XFCE, no Plasma.  Could be it doesn't
> do PDFs
> well?  I use Zathura to view PDFs.  It's rather ... "feature free",
> so I may
> change.
> 
> > I also have found that at least one site refuses to work with 115.
> > That's
> > been going on for a while. Again, I have to use Chromium for that
> > site.
> 
> Can you say what that site is?
> 
> --
>     An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of
>     being called an idea at all. -- Oscar Wilde
> 

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2024-07-09 at 07:55 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group
> for 
> KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

This is somewhat tangential to the main question, but I find that nedit
has everything I need. If you can't find a forum for Kate, try using
nedit. Maybe it already does what you want to discuss.

Re: Kernel panic....

[Van Snyder]

On Mon, 2024-07-08 at 17:46 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 07, 2024 at 07:07:26PM -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
> > I recently installed Debian 12.5 with kernel 6.5.0.0 on an antique
> > Dell
> > Vostro 1700. Occasionally it crashes with
> > 
> > "Kernel Panic - not syncing: Can not allocate SWIOTLB buffer
> > earlier
> > and can't now provide you with the DMA bounce buffer"
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As suggested, use the Debian 6.1 kernel.
> 
> This is a laptop from around 2008 if I'm reading the spec. correctly.
> This is a laptop with an older Nvidia card. How did you install it?
> Did you try to install the Nvidia drivers at any point? I can't 
> find out whether this is one of the machines that has dual chipsets
> (one Intel / one Nvidia). If so, have you used the instructions
> for bumblebee/primus or whatever the appropriate magic now is?

I tried unsuccessfully to install the NVidia 340 driver from the NVidia
drivers page. I found a SourceForge/GitHub page by MeowIce that had the
patched driver, but not for kernel 6.1, so I installed 6.5.0.0 from
backports-bookworm and the patched NVidia 340 driver. That also didn't
work, so I reinstalled bog-standard Debian 12.5 with the 6.1 kernel
using the net-install ISO from the Debian site. It doesn't have dual
graphic chipsets. The video driver is nouveau.

> 
> > I saw some remarks about this from 2013 in the context of release
> > 3.5.
> > 
> > Is this a problem in the kernel, or is the computer broken?
> > 
> > Should I revert to an earlier release?
> > 
> > 
> 
> Ideally, if you're running Debian stable, don't revert to prior
> versions.
> 
> Apt-get update to ensure that you're running the latest point
> release.
> 
> All the very best, as ever,
> 
> Andy
> (amaca...@debian.org) 
> 

Kernel panic....

[Van Snyder]

I recently installed Debian 12.5 with kernel 6.5.0.0 on an antique Dell
Vostro 1700. Occasionally it crashes with

"Kernel Panic - not syncing: Can not allocate SWIOTLB buffer earlier
and can't now provide you with the DMA bounce buffer"

I saw some remarks about this from 2013 in the context of release 3.5.

Is this a problem in the kernel, or is the computer broken?

Should I revert to an earlier release?

Re: small font

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2024-07-06 at 15:41 +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> > It's not my responsibility to deal with messages the senders aren't
> > serious about being read.
> 
> It's up to you of course but if that's your opinion then you always
> have the option of simply not reading messages that are sent (against
> list guidelines) with HTML parts that suggest using fonts that are
> too
> small for you.

I know what to do to read messages with tiny fonts -- if I can see
enough of it to decide they're interesting.

So far, only one correspondent, whom I have by-and-large concluded
doesn't have anything interesting to way.

What I'm offering to those who send messages that they seriously
consider to be worth reading: You ought to make them readable. If you
make it hard for recipients to read them, they'll ignore your wisdom.

Re: Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs (was: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?)

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 23:24 +0200, Hans wrote:
> I believe I got a solution. However, you may not be happy with it,
> but maybe it will work.

Thanks to Hans for the detailed list, which I was not able to use
successfully. I had probably either broken something first, or didn't
follow the instructions precisely correctly.


I had been unable to install the NVidia drivers available as nvidia-
driver. After doing the steps outlined
at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_12_.22Bookworm.22,
 the response was "you have held broken packages."

None of the recommended clean-up steps resolved the problem.

I got the driver to install using this sequence:

1. Fresh OS install WITHOUT either Gnome or KDE or any other display
manager
2. Boot at level 3
3. Revise /etc/apt/sources.list as recomended
4. apt update
5. apt upgrade # not apparently required, but apt update said I could
upgrade nine packages
6. apt install nvidia-driver firmware-misc-nonfree

I didn't need to get an NVIDIA*.run file from the NVidia driver
download page and try to compile it myself.

I have no idea why it failed to install at first. Maybe it had nothing
to do with Gnome. I had installed gcc and gfortran and Intel OneAPI and
nedit and gkrellm and ... (I don't remember the entire list).

But nvidia-driver installed with a fresh OS install followed by
installing nvidia-driver.

Re: small font

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-07-05 at 15:04 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> I don't use Evolution, but I suspect being a Gnome application that
> it works like
> web browsers, where fonts can be enlarged using Ctrl-+ as many times
> as it takes
> to grow the fonts adequately. Possibly it also has a minimum
> displayed text size
> option as web browsers offer.

Ctrl-+ works on the entire window. So if the tiniest font is enlarged
enough to be readable, the rest of the message doesn't fit anymore. And
Evolution remembers it, so you have to be careful to count the number
of times you do it so you can get back to normal without a lot more
experimenting.

It's not my responsibility to deal with messages the senders aren't
serious about being read.

Re: small font

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-07-05 at 14:07 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> > I'm not able to read this message. 
> 
> Can you suggest to us why you think that might be?

Because the message was composed in html using a very small font, and
my mail reader (evolution) automatically prefers to read mail in html.

I've never before had to make an explicit request to the mail reader to
switch to plain text, so I haven't taken the trouble to work out how to
do it. It's easier to ignore messages that are either incompetently or
intentionally composed so as to be unreadable without special actions
taken by the recipients.

Re: small font

[Van Snyder]

I'm not able to read this message.

On Fri, 2024-07-05 at 14:01 +0200, Richard wrote:
> You really need to better read who writes what. I didn't start the
> discussion on message sizes due to HTML, I simply ended it because of
> irrelevance.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 1:30 PM Greg Wooledge 
> wrote:
> > [...] you chose to shift the topic to message
> > sizes (which isn't the primary reason HTML email is frowned upon)
> > [...]
> > 

Re: Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs (was: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?)

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 23:24 +0200, Hans wrote:
> Hi van Snyder,
> 
> I believe I got a solution. However, you may not be happy with it,
> but maybe it will work.

The solution did indeed allow to install the driver. But it removed
at least KDE, and now it won't enter run level 5. I added
nouveau.modeset=0 to the "linux" line in grub.cfg, but it's still
running the nouveau driver, or at least that's what inxi -G reports:

# inxi -G
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA G86M [GeForce 8400M GS] driver: N/A
Device-2: OmniVision OV2640 Webcam driver: uvcvideo type: USB
Display: unspecified server: X.org v: 1.21.1.7 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.0
driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: nouveau gpu:
N/A
API: EGL v: N/A drivers: N/A platforms: N/A
API: OpenGL Message: GL data unavailable for root.

I tried "apt install kde\*" but it refused, saying "you have held
broken packages."

I've been told that Mint includes NVidia drivers, so I'll try that
next. I don't have a choice for my laptop, where the NVidia graphic
chip is soldered to the mother board, but for my desktop if Mint
doesn't work out, I'll give serious consideration to getting a
supported video card from *not* NVidia.

> 
> 
> 
> I am running the kernel 6.7.12+bpo-amd64 on my system. This is a
> backport kernel, but it might also work with other kernels, too.
> 
> You also need to install the build environment, the easiest way is to
> use module-assistant.
> If you got this set and installed linux-headers and so on, then do
> the following:
> 
> First, enter the line for sid into your /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
>  deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free non-
> free-firmware
> 
> then do 
> 
> apt update
> 
> apt install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver firmware-misc-nonfree
> 
> This should install all necessary files and build the kernel module.
> Here it did work. However, I had to use 390xx instead of 340xx, but
> both built here fine.
> 
> After it, reboot and try again if it is working.
> 
> Sometimes, nvidia-detect says, use 340xx-legacy, but I had some
> cases, where I in real had to use 390xx. So, if 340xx is not working,
> try 390xx.
> 
> Note: Do NOT upgrade any other files! I suggest, after installing
> both packages as above, remove the sid entry from sources.list and do
> again an 
> apt update. Thus you are not going into the danger, to install any
> more packages from sid.
> 
> If you need bumblebee or primusrun, because you have two GPUs (one in
> the CPU and one extern), then use the packages from stable. This will
> work!
> 
> My notebook is a Lenovo T520 with Intel CPU (and internal Intel GPU)
> and also NVidia GPU as external GPU (soldered on mainboard). I have
> to use optimus, to get my external GPU.
>  
> I got my information from this site.
>  
> https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> 
> Hope, this helps. 
> 
> Ah, and last but not least: Big thanks to the lads and guys, who made
> 340xx and 390xx buildable again, great work! Big big thank you!!! 
> 
> Here on my system, 390xx is working like a charm.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Hans 

Re: Creating PDF/A from LaTeX source and from existing PDF

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 15:31 -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote:
> On 7/3/24 15:20, Van Snyder wrote:
> > On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 18:38 +0200, Richard wrote:
> > > For anything further, you'll have to research yourself as
> > > ghostscript
> > > is very complex but used by many people.
> > 
> > Please stop using such a dinky font.
> 
> That's what ctrl-shift-+ is for.

Yeah, those of us who have been at this for a decade or two know that.
But it makes everything else so large that it doesn't fit anymore, even
at full screen, on my laptop.

Re: Creating PDF/A from LaTeX source and from existing PDF

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 18:38 +0200, Richard wrote:
> For anything further, you'll have to research yourself as ghostscript
> is very complex but used by many people.

Please stop using such a dinky font. There are plenty of old farts
trying to read this list.


Can ghostscript convert a PDF generated by pdflatex to ePub or mobi?

Calibre made a mess, especially of tables. E-mailing it to my Kindle
account with "convert" in the subject line made a mess. Tools to
convert LaTeX to html in the hope of ultimately getting to ePub or mobi
utterly failed, so I don't know whether they in the end would have made
a mess.

Re: nouveau on old NV GPUs (was: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?)

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 08:03 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Resolve never to buy Nvidia again :)

1) On my brother's antique Dell Vostro 1700 laptop, the NVidia G68M
(GeForce 8400M GS) is soldered to the motherboard.

2)I'm running NVidia in two desktops because my erstwhile SA gave them
to me when computers were decommissioned. At the time they were a big
step up. Now NVidia doesn't support them in Debian. What do you
recommend for them? Multiple monitors. No gaming but an occasional
video. And some features of the KDE Kinfocenter, especially the System
Monitor, either don't work at all, or just make a mess, without a
graphic accelerator. 

Re: Random freezing on GNOME with AMDGPU

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-07-03 at 03:37 +0800, CToID wrote:
> I wonder if any of you who is using an AMD GPU (especially newer
> ones) 
> has encountered the same problem as I do.
> 
> My problem is that sometimes the screen just freezes entirely, and I 
> have to switch to another TTY and back in order to get it unstuck.

I have a similar problem (with KDE). I upgraded from Debian 10 to
Debian 12.5. Then I discovered that the NVidia driver for my old GF108
graphics card is no longer available. I spent a few hours trying to
compile it, but eventually gave up. Many of the "include" files have
been moved to different directories, so the paths for them in the code
are wrong. I created a few dozen soft-links from a re-created directory
with the names the codes expected. When I finally got them all, there
were inscrutable fatal errors having nothing to do with not finding the
headers, things like "wrong number of arguments." So I gave up and
reverted to the nouveau driver.

I updated another computer with an NVidia Quadro graphics card. NVidia
says the Debian nvidia-driver package works -- but it's not part of the
default net-install, and apt-get refuses to install it. And it refuses
to install the nvidia-tesla drivers. I gave up on compiling the drivers
I downloaded directly from NVidia, for the same reasons. And a laptop.
So they're running nouveau too (and occasionally freezing).

Does nouveau cause the freezes?

Re: Need help with narroely focused use case of Emacs

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-06-28 at 14:04 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Pluma is my editor of choice.
> *BUT* it can NOT handle Search and Replace operations involving
> regular 
> expressions.
> 
> Emacs can. It has much verbose documentation.
> But examples seem rather scarce.

nedit can handle regular expressions in search and replace operations.
I find nedit easier to use than emacs.

> 
> I need to replace ANY occurrence of
>  
>    thru [at most]
>  
> by
>  
> 
> I'm reformatting a Bible stored in HTML format for a particular set
> of 
> vision impaired seniors (myself included). Each chapter is in its own
> file.
> 
> How do I open a file.
> Do the above replacement.
> Save and close the file.
> 
> Help please.
> TIA
> 

Re: ePub or mobi from LaTeX or PDF? (was PDF editors)

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2024-06-27 at 22:22 +0200, Richard wrote:
> I didn't miss that. "file" will always tell you something, I doubt
> there can be any situation where it will just give you an empty
> output. You because it can get specific, it will tell you if
> something is a text file or binary format it whatever. So what's the
> output?

*.kfx, *.yjr and *.yjf are all "data". *.mf is "JSON".

> 
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 19:33  wrote:
> > On 6/27/24 04:02, Richard wrote:
> > > Am Do., 27. Juni 2024 um 06:33 Uhr schrieb Van Snyder <
> > > van.sny...@sbcglobal.net>:
> > >
> > >> "file" has no idea what
> > >> any of the files are.
> > 
> >  > Otherwise, what exactly does "file" or better "file -i" say?
> > 
> > I think you missed that.
> > 

Re: ePub or mobi from LaTeX or PDF? (was PDF editors)

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2024-06-27 at 10:02 +0200, Richard wrote:
> You could try if Googles ML model "magika" can do a better job
> (available via pypi). Otherwise, what exactly does "file" or better
> "file -i" say? Worst case, you could open the files in a hex editor
> and google the first few bits. Chances are the format uses "magic
> bits", so the first few bits in hex are identical for all files of
> that format.
> 
> Am Do., 27. Juni 2024 um 06:33 Uhr schrieb Van Snyder
> :
> > I downloaded everything with the same base name as I sent -- a file
> > and a directory. LibreOffice can't read any of it. Calibre can't
> > read any of it, either in the download or in the mounted Kindle.
> > "file" has no idea what any of the files are.
> > 
> > 
> > 

Thanks to Richard for the suggestion to try magika:

# find ./ -type f -exec ~/.local/bin/magika {} \;
Whence-Energy-2_YI5JSRVWOVJ5MO6EWC57GJKTBZLXXI23.sdr/Whence-Energy-
2_YI5JSRVWOVJ5MO6EWC57GJKTBZLXXI23bbd37f35b4b251f45c1bf42879a62d70.yjf:
Unknown binary data (unknown) [Low-confidence model best-guess: JPEG
image data (image), score=28]
Whence-Energy-
2_YI5JSRVWOVJ5MO6EWC57GJKTBZLXXI23.sdr/data/.pagination.cache/887fcb7c:
Unknown binary data (unknown) [Low-confidence model best-guess: PE
executable (executable), score=71]
Whence-Energy-
2_YI5JSRVWOVJ5MO6EWC57GJKTBZLXXI23.sdr/YI5JSRVWOVJ5MO6EWC57GJKTBZLXXI23
.mf: Generic text document (text) [Low-confidence model best-guess:
JSON document (code), score=59]
Whence-Energy-2_YI5JSRVWOVJ5MO6EWC57GJKTBZLXXI23.sdr/Whence-Energy-
2_YI5JSRVWOVJ5MO6EWC57GJKTBZLXXI23bbd37f35b4b251f45c1bf42879a62d70.yjr:
Unknown binary data (unknown) [Low-confidence model best-guess: Intel
80386 COFF (executable), score=76]
Whence-Energy-
2_YI5JSRVWOVJ5MO6EWC57GJKTBZLXXI23.sdr/AssetDownloadMetadata.meta: JSON
document (code)
Whence-Energy-2_YI5JSRVWOVJ5MO6EWC57GJKTBZLXXI23.kfx: Unknown binary
data (unknown) [Low-confidence model best-guess: BMP image data
(image), score=89]

So except for one file, it's still a mystery what e-mailing a PDF to a
Kindle reader with "convert" (without quotes) in the subject actually
produces. The Kindle reader can read it, but so far nothing else I've
tried can. In the end, I want to edit it and re-publish it on Amazon.

okular thinks the .kfx file is a mobipocket, but can't open it. It
doesn't know what the .yjf or .yjr files are.

So, back to trying to find a competent PDF -to- ePub or PDF -to- mobi
converter (I haven't yet tried texmate to create a mobi or ePub from
the LaTeX).

Re: ePub or mobi from LaTeX or PDF? (was PDF editors)

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2024-06-25 at 13:26 +, Curt wrote:
> On 2024-06-24, Van Snyder  wrote:
> > 
> > I composed a book in LaTeX because I wanted the equations to be set
> > correctly -- and because I've been using LaTeX for decades and am
> > most
> > comfortable using it.
> > 
> 
> All I know is if I send a pdf file to my Kindle with the word
> "convert"
> in the subject line (without the quotes), the file is converted to
> the
> Kindle format. I gleaned this *astuce* sometime, somewhere, that has
> since been forgotten.
> 
> I haven't performed this maneuver in a fairly long while, though, so
> things may have changed. Sometimes you are required to run as fast as
> you
> as you can in order to remain in the same place.

The file was indeed sent to my Kindle, and it didn't land as a PDF. I
can read it in the Kindle reader. The table of contents is a mess.
Tables are a mess.

I downloaded everything with the same base name as I sent -- a file and
a directory. LibreOffice can't read any of it. Calibre can't read any
of it, either in the download or in the mounted Kindle. "file" has no
idea what any of the files are.

Re: new laptop: how2 enable suspend / hibernate?

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2024-06-25 at 09:47 -0400, Lee wrote:
> My old laptop died - a tiny little pop and it powered off.  So I've
> lost my implementation reference.

If you can get the disk drive out of your old laptop, get a USB adapter
for it. Then you can look at your installation logs.

> My new laptop is a Lenovo v15 G3 - installing
> debian-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso from a flash drive was trivially
> easy.
> Whoever worked on the how to install Debian from flash did an
> excellent job.
> 
> But I can't suspend or hibernate the laptop :(  Both options are
> greyed out.  How do I enable suspend / hibernate?
> 
> TIA,
> Lee
> 

Re: ePub or mobi from LaTeX or PDF? (was PDF editors)

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2024-06-25 at 08:59 +1000, David wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-06-24 at 22:42 +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > tex4ht may be of use to you.  I love the package.
> That's what Texmaker employs to translate LaTeX to HTML.

It couldn't find the tfm file for the fonts that Amazon recommended.
pdflatex had no trouble finding it.

> Cheers!

Re: ePub or mobi from LaTeX or PDF? (was PDF editors)

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2024-06-25 at 04:55 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> Why not simply publish it as a PDF file?

It's available on Amazon in print-on-demand (paperback or hardback)
which I did indeed publish as PDF. But Amazon doesn't let you upload a
PDF to be published for Kindle readers. They accept only Windoze M$
Word, ePub, and mobi.

Re: ePub or mobi from LaTeX or PDF?

[Van Snyder]

On Mon, 2024-06-24 at 20:15 +, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> On 24 Jun 2024 13:01 -0700, from van.sny...@sbcglobal.net (Van
> Snyder):
> > How do I create an ePub (or mobi) from LaTeX or PDF?
> 
> Since epub is basically a zip archive of HTML, CSS and image files
> plus a small amount of metadata, I would start by looking for
> something to convert LaTeX to modern HTML.

I had "help" to convert my PDF to ePub. They didn't send me the KPF,
but I eventually got Amazon Authors' Support to send it to me. She
warned it's not editable. I unzipped it and found my original PDF, plus
hundreds of "metadata" files that appeared to be mySQL stuff. And my
"helper" wants $$$ to correct a few typos that I had no trouble
correcting in the print-on-demand versions simply by uploading new
PDFs.

> Once you have HTML, the next step (generating an epub out of it)
> should be relatively trivial, possibly to the point that you could
> even do it manually.

ePub or mobi from LaTeX or PDF? (was PDF editors)

[Van Snyder]

I composed a book in LaTeX because I wanted the equations to be set
correctly -- and because I've been using LaTeX for decades and am most
comfortable using it.

How do I create an ePub (or mobi) from LaTeX or PDF?

I tried latex2ebook, which is based on latex2html. It crashes a few
pages in.

I tried calibre. I tried pdf2ebook. They just make a mess of equations
and tables. I didn't scroll through the mess to check how well included
graphics were done.

Re: systemrescuecd -- a bit off Debian topics

[Van Snyder]

Thanks to Jeff. This provides exactly what I had hoped it would.
On Thu, 2024-06-13 at 15:14 +0800, Jeff Peng wrote:
> You can use gitlab issues to submit the question.
> https://gitlab.com/systemrescue/systemrescue-sources/-/issues
> 
> regards.
> > Does anybody know how to contact systemrescuece developers? Their
> > webpage https://www.system-rescue.org/ doesn't have a "contact"
> > or"forum" button.

Re: systemrescuecd -- a bit off Debian topics

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-06-12 at 18:19 -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote:
> On 6/12/24 18:14, Van Snyder wrote:
> > Does anybody know how to contact systemrescuece developers? Their
> > webpage https://www.system-rescue.org/ doesn't have a "contact" or
> > "forum"button.
> > I haven't found a way to make the toolbar largewhen I boot
> > systemrescuecd. I think the window manager is xfce. Can thetool bar
> > be made larger?
> ...
> In XFCE, if you right-click anywhere on the toolbar and go to Panel
> -> PanelPreferences, you can change the size under "Row Size"..  But
> no, I don'tknow how to contact them.

Maybe I was wrong about systemrescuecd using XFCE. Right click on the
toolbar offers a "properties" selection -- that doesn't include a "row
size" property.

systemrescuecd -- a bit off Debian topics

[Van Snyder]

Does anybody know how to contact systemrescuece developers? Their web
page https://www.system-rescue.org/ doesn't have a "contact" or "forum"
button.

My brother has impaired vision. He uses KDE Plasma because he can make
the tool bar large. But I haven't found a way to make the toolbar large
when I boot systemrescuecd. I think the window manager is xfce. Can the
tool bar be made larger? If not, and you have contact with the
systemrescuecd developers, please aske them to provide a way to make
the toolbar and icons larger, for vision-impaired users.

Van Snyder

Re: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?

[Van Snyder]

Hans:

Thanks for the note. It seems that nouveau is a bit more stable in
Debian 12.5 than it had been in Debian 10.1. At least I hope it is. So
far, it hasn't crashed.

MfG,
Van

On Mon, 2024-06-10 at 10:11 +0200, Hans wrote:
> No, the NV6800M needs 340xx driver, not 390xx as I prior posted. However, I 
> have a GF-119 in my Lenovo T520, where nvidia-detect says, it needs 340xx. 
> But, although I got 340xx compiled for the kernel, it did not start.
> 
> I then build 390xx, which worked like a charm. This happened on my notebook 
> and also on an older graphics card in my desktop pc (forgot, which graphic 
> chip it was).
> 
> The 340xx I never got compiled in bookworm, even when downloaded the sources 
> from bullseye and downgraded compiler and other things (except of kernel).
> 
> The issue: During build, the nvidia-sources were looking for some files, 
> which 
> were no more existent in the kernel headers since that version. So the build 
> failed. 
> 
> I asked the developers of the kernel headers, to fix this, but they claimed, 
> that NVidia has to fix it, not the developers. 
> 
> One can now argument for both sides. 
> 
> 1. Either tell Nvidia, "hey fix your old drivers to our new headers, we 
> removed some libs!"
> 
> or 
> 
> 2. Tell the developers "Hey, please put back the libs, so that the kernel 
> module of this old driver can be build again!"
> 
> In real life no one wants to care of it! Nvidia not, because this costs money 
> and the developers not, because this is Nvidia and proprietrary (what is not 
> quite correct, because the kernel-module, which is the part, that can not be 
> build, is open-source).
> 
> 
> Before you try: It is also not possible, to download the driver from the 
> NVidia site directly, because you will run into the same issue again: It can 
> not be build!
> 
> Personally I can not understand, why this is not beeing fixed. It is not a 
> problem with the kernel-module itself (I mean, no bug in the function), but 
> it 
> just can not be build. This is the least, I would expect! However, this is 
> just my own very personal Opinion and no one shall be feel blamed here with!
> 
> Hope, this makes a little bit clearer.
> 
> Oh, and of course, modern cards supported by 470 and higher, of course this 
> can be build! But they do not support older cards (legacy cards).
> 
> Best
> 
> Hans
> > Did the 470 driver work for the GeForce 8600M? I tried to install the
> > 390 driver, but it said "This driver will ignore your GPU" so I didn't
> > finish the installation.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?

[Van Snyder]

On Mon, 2024-06-10 at 01:13 +0200, Toni Mas Soler wrote:
> El Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:56:23 -0700Van Snyder <
> van.sny...@sbcglobal.net> va escriure el següent:
> > On Fri, 2024-06-07 at 22:47 +0200, Hans wrote:
> > > Just a hint: Sometimes the nvidia-config module says, you
> > > need340.xx, but this is not always true. My card (with th
> > > eolderkernel) was running 390.xx, although th esystem told me, I
> > > have touse 340.xx. 390.xx was running like a charm, 340.xx
> > > crashed. So itlied.
> > > Sorry, that I can help no further and for the bad news, but do
> > > nottry too much - I fear, you will fail!  
> > 
> > So far, this is the best advice, so don't apologize.
> > I had assumed that when NVidia said I need 340 that it is
> > undoubtedlytrue. I'll try 390.
> 
> 
> 
> Have you tried "nvidia-detect" package? This tells you what driver
> youneed.
> In my machine, I installed nvdia-tesla-470-driver and it works fine.

Did the 470 driver work for the GeForce 8600M? I tried to install the
390 driver, but it said "This driver will ignore your GPU" so I didn't
finish the installation.

Re: NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-06-07 at 22:47 +0200, Hans wrote:
> Just a hint: Sometimes the nvidia-config module says, you need 340.xx, but 
> this is not always true. My card (with th eolder kernel) was running 390.xx, 
> although th esystem told me, I have to use 340.xx. 390.xx was running like a 
> charm, 340.xx crashed. So it lied.
> 
> Sorry, that I can help no further and for the bad news, but do not try too 
> much - I fear, you will fail!

So far, this is the best advice, so don't apologize.

I had assumed that when NVidia said I need 340 that it is undoubtedly
true. I'll try 390.

NVidia 340 video driver in Bookworm?

[Van Snyder]

Has anybody been able to install the NVidia 340.108 video driver in
Debian 12?

The messages I found said "Support for it ended in 2019. Use nouveau."

But I seem to have trouble with nouveau. When I was running Debian 10
on a Dell Vostro 1700 laptop with NVidia GeForce 8400M graphics, I had
been able to install the driver, and had no trouble. I made the mistake
of installing Debian 12.5 on the same partition, so I don't have the
Debian 10 install anymore. It freezes so completely that the keyboard
doesn't work, so I can't switch to a TTY screen. Even if I "ssh" to it
from my desktop, I can't kill and restart the graphics. I have a script
to restart KDE, but it does nothing. Even "init 3" doesn't do the
trick. I have to hold down the power key to reboot. I don't think it's
a hardware problem that amazingly manifested simultaneously with a new
install.

Here's some too-late advice I've given to myself: Never blow away your
old install that appears to be working. If you don't have a new disk,
and you have room on the old one, make new boot and root partitions.
Mark only the new boot partition as the bootable one. Hook both boot
partitions to grub.

And another Dell Vostro 1700 question

[Van Snyder]

This is probably not specific to Dell Vostro.

I have a Dell Vostro 1700 running Debian Trixie.

I have some DisplayLink e1649Fwu USB monitors.

When I boot, there's junk (mixed graphics and text that seems to be out
of sync) on one, and the other is dark. When I reboot, it's almost the
same, except the monitors' roles have switched.

The graphics chip is NVidia G58M (GeForce 8400M) and the NVidia 340
driver is running.

Would the nouveau driver work for the USB monitors?

I tried to run the script for the contributed installer at 
https://github.com/AdnanHodzic/displaylink-debian/blob/master/displaylink-debian.sh
but it ran into version-conflict problems.

Any ideas?

Re: Dell Vosto 1700 and NVidia

[Van Snyder]

On Mon, 2024-05-20 at 20:42 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 20.05.2024 um 11:10:27 Uhr schrieb Van Snyder:
> 
> > I installed the NVidia 340 driver
> 
> Is there a special reason to use it instead of nouveau?

I had had trouble with nouveau on other computers using different
NVidia graphics. And I like the NVidia settings widget.

How do I switch to try nouveau instead?

Are there settings in grub.conf?

Dell Vosto 1700 and NVidia

[Van Snyder]

I have an old Dell Vostro 1700 running Debian Trixie. It has an NVidia
G86M (GeForce 8400M) graphics chip. I installed the NVidia 340 driver
(which is difficult to find).

I attached a HP 14" monitor to the VGA socket.

When I booted, it came up with side-by-side displays. I could move
windows from one to the other.

When I closed the cover and re-opened it, instead of waking up, it re-
started X, but this time with displays mirrored.

I ran nvidia-settings to move the HP monitor. It complained about not
being able to set a mode. I've tried many times since without success.

I tried running the KDE Display Settings, but that put it into a
restart-X loop.

Any ideas?

Van Snyder

Re: Zoom in the official repo is outdated

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-04-24 at 16:42 -0300, Luiz Romário Santana Rios wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> (Please cc me when replying as I'm not subscribed to the list)
> 
> Earlier this month, I noticed I was no longer able to login to Zoom 
> meetings using the client installed from the Debian repos. In order to 
> join meetings, I had to uninstall it then install the flatpack Zoom package.
> 
> I think it should either be updated or outright removed in favor of the 
> flatpack version. What do you think? Should I report a bug?
> 
> Sds,
> 
> Romário

I was expected to use zoom for a meeting. The zoom app didn't work at
all in Debian 10, completely refusing even to open a window. I at first
started with the zoom support in Firefox, but it didn't have a button
to select high resolution for the camera, so the meeting host asked me
to run in the app.

I re-opened the session on a different computer that is running Debian
12. The app worked OK on that computer.

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
> your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?!

At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2 from the
atmosphere to combine it with calcium to make bones and armor,
eventually eternal limestone, we have only about eighteen million years
until Gaia commits suicide. Why should we continue to be complicit?

Read Patrick Moore. The Positive Impact of Human CO2 Emissions on the
Survival of Life on Earth. Frontier Science for Public Policy, June
2016.

Re: Generic Linux / clib question

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-02-09 at 17:37 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 02:30:54PM -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> > Years ago, I knew the name of the routines one could use to have some
> > stdin history and be able to edit it, like you can do in XTerm or
> > gnuplot or 
> > 
> > I can't remember them now, or find them.
> 
> I think you're talking about the readline library, which is used by bash
> (I assume that's what you meant by "XTerm") and some other programs.
> 
> What, exactly, are you trying to do?

I'm hoping to convince Intel to add it to the stdin runtime support for
ifx and ifort Fortran compilers.

Generic Linux / clib question

[Van Snyder]

Years ago, I knew the name of the routines one could use to have some
stdin history and be able to edit it, like you can do in XTerm or
gnuplot or 

I can't remember them now, or find them.

Does anybody know the names?

Thanks,
Van Snyder

Re: How to insert symbols into emails

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2024-01-30 at 10:21 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > > > Those symbols are very nice, which tool have you used to insert
> > > > them?
> > > 
> > > Easy. I configured my CAPSLOCK key (which is useless IMO) to bemy
> > > X compose key. So entering COMPOSE-4-5 does ⅘, and COMPOSE-<-
> > > 3does ♥. You can even define your own compose seqs, like I did
> > > with♀ (COMPOSE-o-+) and others.
> > 
> > This is documented at  by the
> > way.

I configured several different Compose keys, for example Right-Alt, one
at a time, using the KDE settings -> input devices -> keyboard ->
advanced widget.

If I use them in XTerm, for example Compose-'-e to try to produce é, it
locks up. If I use them in nedit, I get a two-character sequence. If I
use them in Evolution or Firefox, it works fine.
It also works in Konsole, but my fingers know XTerm and so does my
.Xdefaults.

Does this only work in programs that work in UTF-8 instead of ASCII?

Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 07:00 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote:
> > When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on
> > Debian 
> > GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No
> > video 
> > with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to
> > download 
> > the file, or play it with an external application.
> > 
> > ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date.
> > 
> > Can it be made to work?
> > 
> Perhaps, if you specified the URL of the file, it might be a step on
> the 
> way t6o describing the problem...

http://vandyke.mynetgear.com/AuraMLS_SH2009.mp4

The same video is available as avi, and that works fine with Firefox by
launching an external viewer such as vlc or dragon. I would expect
Firefox to offer to download the file or choose a viewer instead of the
sad-face window.

> 
> 
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> Western Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> .
> 

Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4

[Van Snyder]

When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on Debian
GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No video
with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to
download the file, or play it with an external application.

ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date.

Can it be made to work?

Running 32 bit apps on 64 bit debian

[Van Snyder]

I'm trying run 32 bit LinuxSusser on 64 bit Debian 12 bookworm.

When I try to run it, I get
./LinuxSusser: Command not found.

"ls -l ./LinuxSusser" respnds
-rwxr-xr-x 1 vsnyder vsnyder 12698092 Feb  8  2013  LinuxSusser*

"dpkg --print-architecture" responds amd64
"dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" responds i386

"file ./LinuxSusser" responds
./LinuxSusser:  ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
(SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for
GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped

but "ldd ./LinuxSusser" responds "not a dynamic executable"

I used to run it in Debian 10.

What am I doing wrong?

Re: Performance of my computer

[Van Snyder]

On Mon, 2023-10-30 at 19:40 +, piorunz wrote:
> On 30/10/2023 18:56, Van Snyder wrote:
> > Firefox, in every version I've used so far, appears to have
> > memoryleaks. If I kill it, not by clicking its little "X" or Alt-
> > F4, but with"kill -9", so that it reopens everything when I restart
> > it, my memoryusage immediately drops by 75%. Then it creeps back
> > up.
> 
> Firefox doesn't have any memory leaks. It actively uses buffers,
> cache,filling available memory. I have Firefox running for days,
> sometimesweeks. On slow laptop, and fast workstation PC. Same result,
> no crashes,no memory leaks.

Then why does it use 1/3 as much memory to display the same pages and
tabs when I kill it and restart it? That's a symptom of memory leakage.
> --With kindest regards, Piotr.
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ 
> https://www.debian.org/
> ⠈⠳⣄

Re: Performance of my computer

[Van Snyder]

On Mon, 2023-10-30 at 12:45 -0600, William Torrez Corea wrote:
> How can improve the performance of my computer?
> 
> 
> I have problems when I have a lot of tabs opened in my browser, i am
> using the libreoffice or playing on Steam. The system blew up.
> 
> My browser: Firefox Browser 115.4.0esr (64 bit)
> My system: Linux 5.10.0-26-amd64 1 SMP Debian 5.10.197-1 (2023-09-29) 
> x86_64 GNU/Linux

Firefox, in every version I've used so far, appears to have memory
leaks. If I kill it, not by clicking its little "X" or Alt-F4, but with
"kill -9", so that it reopens everything when I restart it, my memory
usage immediately drops by 75%. Then it creeps back up.
> My browser consumes 655MB of memory and uses 34% of the CPU.
> 
> The system uses 30% CPU, 265 Process, 50% memory and swap 9%. 
> 
> I haven't partitioned my hard disk.  
> 
> I have Toshiba L200 Laptop PC Hard drive 1 TB, 5400 rpm, 128 MB/8MB
> buffer
> 
> -- 
> 
> With kindest regards, William.
> 
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ 
> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
> ⠈⠳⣄ 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Alt-Shift-P freezes XTerm

[Van Snyder]

The culprit is tcsh, not XTerm. With bash, Alt-Shift-P produces a
colon.
I added this to my .XDefaults
xterm*altIsNotMeta: truexterm*altSendsEscape: true
so that Alt-Shift-P becomes ESC-P. The problem now does not occur in
tcsh.
Thanks to the correspondents on the list.
On Sat, 2023-10-14 at 15:49 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 08:38:22AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 07:07:57AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 01:06:20PM -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > I haven't figured out how to unlock the XTerm after
> > > > accidentally givingit Alt-Shift-P.
> > 
> > I'm not seeing whatever it is you're seeing here.  On Debian 12, if
> > Ilaunch an xterm (simply "xterm &") with bash running inside it,
> > andpress Alt-P I get this character: ð
> > Shift-Alt-P gives me this character: Ð
> 
> Oh, that's interesting. Our setups seem to differ in some way.What I
> see with AltGr (not Alt) is Þ, with shift it's þ (thisis Thorn; you
> are seeing eth)
> It seems that your left alt isn't doing Meta and mine doesor
> something :)
> [...]
> > > The behaviour [of Alt-Shift-P] is the same if I do "ESC P". Does
> > > that "hang yourXterm", too?
> > 
> > Looks like your bash is in emacs (default) mode.  Pressing Esc P
> > inemacs mode triggers this guy:
> 
> It is.
> > "\eP": do-lowercase-version
> 
> Well, we were talking about the uppercase one (remember: alt-
> shift),so it is this:
> > "\ep": non-incremental-reverse-search-history
> > non-incremental-reverse-search-history (M-p)Search
> > backward through the history starting at the current
> > lineusing  a  non-incremental  search  for  a string
> > supplied by theuser.
> > I'm not 100% sure what that means, but maybe you can figure it out
> > ifyou continue experimenting with it.  I don't normally run bash in
> > emacsmode myself, so many of these readline features are foreign to
> > me.
> 
> I tried to describe what it does, and yes, this matches the
> behaviourpretty well: readline (I suppose) prints a colon (I guess
> this is meantas a prompt), you may enter some string, and then it
> searches back inthe history for the last matching command -- so like
> an incrementalbackward search without the incremental bit :-)
> > Anyway, all of that's an interesting tangent, but I still don't
> > geta "freeze" in xterm from any of this.
> 
> Absolutely. To both.
> > Van Snyder, can you try running this in your xterm:
> > bind -p | grep P
> > That should tell us whether you have any unusual readline
> > bindingsinvolving the letter P (capital) which might be at fault
> > here.  In myshell, I just have these:
> > unicorn:~$ set -o viunicorn:~$ bind -p | grep P"P": self-
> > insertunicorn:~$ set -o emacsunicorn:~$ bind -p | grep P"\C-xP":
> > do-lowercase-version"\eP": do-lowercase-version"P": self-insert
> 
> That's what I get too. Now curious as to what Van Snyder gets :-)
> Cheers

Re: Alt-Shift-P freezes XTerm

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2023-10-13 at 12:38 -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
> I have set up Alt-Shift-P as a macro in my editor (nedit) to run
> pdflatex.
> If I accidentally do it when XTerm has keyboard focus, it locks up
> and the only thing I can do is kill it and restart.
> How can I unlock XTerm after doing this?
> There are no Alt-Shift sequences listed at 
> https://www.xfree86.org/current/ctlseqs.html (maybe it's only about
> output sent to XTerm).
> Is there a list of Alt-Shift (and Alt-Ctrl and Shift-Ctrl) sequences
> for XTerm?
> Van Snyder

I haven't figured out how to unlock the XTerm after accidentally giving
it Alt-Shift-P.
But I did work out how to prevent it. Put
xterm*altIsNotMeta: truexterm*altSendsEscape: true
in your .Xdefaults (or .Xresources, or link those files together), then
xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults

Alt-Shift-P freezes XTerm

[Van Snyder]

I have set up Alt-Shift-P as a macro in my editor (nedit) to run
pdflatex.

If I accidentally do it when XTerm has keyboard focus, it locks up and
the only thing I can do is kill it and restart.

How can I unlock XTerm after doing this?

There are no Alt-Shift sequences listed at 
https://www.xfree86.org/current/ctlseqs.html (maybe it's only about
output sent to XTerm).

Is there a list of Alt-Shift (and Alt-Ctrl and Shift-Ctrl) sequences
for XTerm?

Van Snyder

Printers disappear

[Van Snyder]

I used /usr/bin/system-config-printer to detect and set up my printers.

I want to set up one of the printers to do do both simplex and duplex
printing, so I duplicate it, and change the original settings that the
"find printer" process discovered from simplex to duplex.

After a few days, the copy disappears and I have to set it up again to
print a file duplexed. This is a new phenomenon that started a few
weeks ago, but I haven't updated anything.

I'm using

Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 10
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.5
Qt Version: 5.11.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.54.0
Kernel Version: 4.19.0-23-amd64
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × Intel® Core™ i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93GHz
Memory: 3.7 GiB of RAM

Is this a Debian 10 thing, or a KDE thing?

Is there a way I can make the copy stick around?

unzip files bigger than 4 GB

[Van Snyder]

unzip v 6.0 (the version delivered with Debian 10) doesn't work with
files bigger than 2^32 bytes.

Is there an alternative program to do it?

KALARM not working

[Van Snyder]

I had been using KALARM for a very long time.

Now, it's stopped displaying anything, stopped reminding of anything,
and stopped allowing me to add alarms.

When I try to add a new alarm, it refuses to do it. It pops up an error
window "Failed to create alarm."

Do you know how to repair it? I've tried deleting all the akonadi files
and directories under ~/.local, but that doesn't repair it.


I don't understand the advantage of using Akonadi in place of cron.

What alternatives do you suggest?

I'm still using Debian 10, waiting for the problems to calm down. KDE
Plasma version is 5.14.5, Frameworks version is 5.54.0.

Re: Which Diff tool could I use for visually comparing two text files where Word Wrap is possible?

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 22:50 +0200, local10 wrote:
> Mar 31, 2023, 16:30 by bkpsusmi...@gmail.com:
> > I tried diffuse, but it appears to me that it suffers from
> > alimitation so far as my need is concerned. It compares files by
> > linesand line numbers, so I can't use word-wrap to have the
> > differencesbetween two files within the program window without
> > venturing out tothe right within the two file windows.
> > Is there a way to Word Wrap? Am I making a mistake here? Which
> > programwould be the best suited for my work for comparing text
> > files?
> 
> Try Kompare. I tried several diff tools but I liked Kompare the most:
> clean, intuitive interface, easy to use, lots of features.

emacs includes a nice side-by-side compare and merge feature.
> Regards,

kalarm not working

[Van Snyder]

I had been using Debian 10 until I took some advice that I shouldn't
have, and upgraded one thing. That triggered a bunch more upgrades,
until too many things stopped working. So I reinstalled Debian 10
(waiting a while to see how 12 works out).

Now, in the new Debian 10 install Kalarm isn't working, and the author
doesn't respond.

Kalarm says it failed to append an item when I try to import my saved
calendar.

There are eleven akonadi_kalarm_resource processes running, three
~/.,kde/share/config/akonadi_kalarm__resource* files, and five
~/.local/share/akonadi_kalarm_resrouce* directories with hundreds of
calendar.ics-* files.

Any ideas how to get kalarm working, and reduce the number of akonadi
files and directories?

Re: debian 12 installers

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2023-03-11 at 18:32 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> The installation *process*
> doesn't change.  After the base system has been installed, you're given a
> menu from which you can select additional software to install -- SSH server,
> various Desktop Environments, and so on
> 
> After the installation is done, you reboot into the new system.  From
> there, you can continue installing other packages if you want.
> Experienced users often have a good idea which packages they want, and
> may just do something like "apt install build-essential xorg fvwm mutt ...".
> Newcomers will probably take longer to learn what packages are available,
> what they do, which ones would be helpful to install on their systems,
> etc.

With other distributions, for example back when Scientific Linux
actually existed, the list of "additional software to install" provided
by the installer was much larger. It included development software,
publishing software, web serverrs, 

Are these not in the list in the recent Debian installers because they
don't fit nicely on one non-graphic-installer's screen?

debian 12 installers

[Van Snyder]

On Sat, 2023-03-11 at 22:26 +0100, digital...@gmx.de wrote:
> My installation is a complete new one from the alpha2 installer.

What's the "alpha2 installer?"

I usually do a netinst. Then I have to install each thing I actually
use when I discover that it's not installed by netinst.

I need development tools. I need LaTeX.  I use some old stuff such as
xv and pdftk

Is there in an installer that lets me choose more than a basic system?

Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 15:04 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> You can probably use 'deb [arch=amd64,i386]' instead of duplicating
> some of the sources.

/etc/apt/sources uses deb [arch=amd64,i386]. The packages listed in
/var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages are the ones that are installed.

Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 13:54 +1100, David wrote:

> The command I suggested reports packages whose origin is unknown to
> the apt
> database.  There's 118 of them in your output, including g++-9, many
> libs
> and 6 kernels, pythons 2.7 and 3.9 and perl 5.
> 
> My understanding of the origin = (installed locally) tags in that
> output is
> that this means that the apt* tools are unable to manage updating of
> these
> packages because it cannot associate them with a repository.
> 
> So anything in future that involves/requires a change to any of these
> packages will require you to do the dependency resolution yourself
> because
> apt* won't be able to do that for you.
> 
> Another way to see what repositories have been used on that machine
> is
> to run:
>   ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages
> 
> It would also be interesting to see the output of that command if you
> wish
> to share it.


/var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary-
all_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary-
amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/apt.repos.intel.com_oneapi_dists_all_main_binary-
i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_binary-
amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_binary-
i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-
amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-
i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_binary-
amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_binary-
i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-
updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-
updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-
updates_main_binary-i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-
updates_main_binary-i386_Packages.diff_Index
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-i386_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_bookworm_main_binary-i386_Packages.diff_Index
/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_debian-
security_dists_buster_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages
/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_debian-
security_dists_buster_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages

I still have some 32-bit codes that I don't have source for, so I can't
compile them, so I still need both i386 and amd64 packages.

Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Thu, 2023-02-23 at 11:39 +1100, David wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 at 09:21, Van Snyder 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 16:13 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Van Snyder wrote:
> 
> > You are mixing way too many things here. Better tell us the
> > contents of all your /etc/apt/sources.list and
> > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files.
> 
> > opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list
> > opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list.save
> > 
> > skype-stable.list
> > skype-stable.list.save
> > 
> > I have a line for
> > 
> > deb [arch=amd64,i386] https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi all main
> > 
> > but there is also a file /etc/apt/sources.list/Intel/oneAPI.list
> > that has
> > the same line.
> > 
> > Moving everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d to
> > /etc/apt/save.sources.list.d makes the update and dist-upgrade
> > appear to
> > work without complaint.
> 
> Worth reading:
>   https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
> 
> > Hopefully, that will cure the problems.
> 
> Fixing your sources.list isn't going to uninstall all your
> non-Debian packages. Which might cause problems
> in future, per the above wiki page.
> 
> What output do you see for this command:
>   aptitude search '~i' -F '%p %O#' | grep -v Debian

Output is attached.


cpp-9 (installed locally)
crda (installed locally)
edrawmax (installed locally)
freeglut3 (installed locally)
g++-9 (installed locally)
gcc-9 (installed locally)
gcc-9-base (installed locally)
gfortran-9 (installed locally)
hddtemp (installed locally)
igfxdcd (installed locally)
libabsl20200923 (installed locally)
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libasan5 (installed locally)
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libldap-2.4-2:i386 (installed locally)
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libnautilus-extension1a (installed locally)
libnetpbm10 (installed locally)
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libntfs-3g883 (installed locally)
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libpoppler102 (installed locally)
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libqalculate20 (installed locally)
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libswresample3 (installed locally)
libswscale5 (installed locally)
libtesseract4 (installed locally)
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libwebp6 (installed locally)
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libwxbase3.0-0v5 (installed locally)
libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-0v5 (installed locally)
libx264-160 (installed locally)
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Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 16:13 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Van Snyder wrote: 
> 

> You are mixing way too many things here. Better tell us the
> contents of all your /etc/apt/sources.list and
> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files.
> 
> -dsr-

Dan:

Thanks for the reminder to look in /etc/apt/sources.d

I hadn't put any files there, but apparently the half-vast upgrade
added some ubuntu sources.


opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list
opm-ubuntu-ppa-kinetic.list.save

and some installation, long ago, added

skype-stable.list
skype-stable.list.save

I have a line for

deb [arch=amd64,i386] https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi all main

but there is also a file /etc/apt/sources.list/Intel/oneAPI.list that
has the same line.

Moving everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d to
/etc/apt/save.sources.list.d makes the update and dist-upgrade appear
to work without complaint. Hopefully, that will cure the problems.

Except I just noticed I have no sound. My NVidia graphics card has
sound, and there's Intel sound on the main board. The audio icon in my
KDE task bar says there are no devices. How do I know which driver is
actually running, if any?

Thanks,
Van

Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 15:43 -0500, Jeremy Hendricks wrote:
> Van, what is the specific GPU you have? I know it’s GF108 but what is
> the actual model?

# nvidia-detect
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108
[GeForce GT 630] [10de:0f00] (rev a1)
> 
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 3:33 PM Van Snyder 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 23:27 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> > > On 2/21/23 23:16, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> > > > > On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > > > I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I
> > > > > > don't see a
> > > > > > reason to replace it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver,
> > > > > > which doesn't
> > > > > > work with GF108.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the
> > > > > > drivers" instead of
> > > > > > "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant
> > > > > > "download them
> > > > > > all in case you install some new hardware."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the
> > > > > > relevant
> > > > > > hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see
> > > > > > if the
> > > > > > installer does it right if I tell it to install only the
> > > > > > relevant 
> > > > > > drivers.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi!
> > > > > 
> > > > > It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in
> > > > > Debian 11
> > > > > (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems
> > > > > again,
> > > > > then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards -
> > > > > Nouveau. it's
> > > > > installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's
> > > > > proprietary
> > > > > drivers - nvidia-*.
> > > > 
> > > > I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was
> > > > the 
> > > > problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the
> > > > correct 
> > > > driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are
> > > > downloaded.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There is a package nvidia-detect
> > > 
> > > it tells you which driver is appropriate for your NVidia's video
> > > card.
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, I used that. Why didn't the installer use it, and choose the
> > 390 driver instead of installing the 470 driver?
> > 
> > > 
> > > Kind regards
> > > Georgi
> > > 
> > 
> > 

Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 06:07 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 12:09:30PM -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> > I just upgraded to Debian 11. I had been using Debian 10. I've used
> > Evolution for many years. The version in Debian 11 is 3.48.
> > 
> > I use KDE Plasma version 5.26.90. The KDE Frameworks version is
> > 5.102.0.
> > 
> > I get pop-up notes from KDE that evolution has received new
> > messages.
> 
> Possibly a secondary thing: no messages -> no popup.
> 
> > But the messages don't appear in Evolution [...]
> 
> Since the thread is trying to derail into whether "safe upgrade"
> is somehow safer or not (spoiler: sometimes, but here most probably
> irrelevant; alas, that's how we nerds are ;)...
> 
> I have no clue with Evolution, but it might help those helping you
> to tell us how Evolution is "getting" its mails.
> 
> My hunch would be that it is set up to fetch its mails from the
> server (how? IMAP? POP3?).

Evolution is using imap to receive mail. I can read the messages on the
server in Firefox. I can read the messages in Evolution if I run
evolution in the messed-up bastardized Debian 10/11, but when I run a
pure newly-installed Debian 11, thats when Evolution doesn't display
the messages that KDE has announced have arrived.

My Evolution is set up to read several accounts. The same problem
affects all of them.

I haven't tried Thunderbird.

> It would be useful to try to debug this process. Again, I've never
> touched Evolution in my life, but here [1] is a nice debugging guide
> which might help getting things started.
> 
> Now let's hope to get back on topic and perhaps some Evolution guru
> chimes in.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging

Re: Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 15:42 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 22 Feb 2023 at 06:34:27 (+1000), David wrote:
> > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 12:09 -0800, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > 
> > > When I installed Debian 11, I didn't destroy Debian 10. I still
> > > have
> > > Debian 10 on a different drive. In attempting to repair an
> > > entirely
> > > different problem, I had done
> > > 
> > >   apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
> > 
> > One of the reasons I prefer aptitude's `safe-upgrade'.
> 
> That's the equivalent command, and would not protect you. It will
> upgrade everything that doesn't involve a new package, but nothing
> else, hence the mish-mash of Debian 10 and 11.
> 
> If you want keep an old system around, you need to make sure that the
> sources.list has the correct version's proper name in it, ie buster
> in your case. And if you're later going to use it at all, you need
> to keep it updated with those two commands.
> 
> > > Does anybody have any suggestions to repair it?
> 
> As others have suggested, the easiest is probably to:
> 
>   # apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade

apt-get update doesn't work:

...
Err:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/opm/ppa/ubuntu kinetic Release 
404 Not Found [IP: 185.125.190.52 80]
...
Reading package lists... Done 
W: https://apt.repos.intel.com/oneapi/dists/all/InRelease: Key is
stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see the
DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details.
E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/opm/ppa/ubuntu kinetic
Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.



> which will take it up to stable ≡ bullseye.
> 
> Then edit the sources.list and change stable → bullseye.
> And do the same edit to the system that was already Debian 11.
> 
> In a few ?weeks, you can decide which of the two drives you want to
> upgrade to Debian 12 ≡ bookworm, and leave the other as Debian 11,
> upgradeable /safely/ as Debian 11.
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 23:27 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> On 2/21/23 23:16, Van Snyder wrote:
> > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> > > On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I
> > > > don't see a
> > > > reason to replace it.
> > > > 
> > > > It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> > > > 
> > > > But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which
> > > > doesn't
> > > > work with GF108.
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers"
> > > > instead of
> > > > "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant
> > > > "download them
> > > > all in case you install some new hardware."
> > > > 
> > > > Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the
> > > > relevant
> > > > hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if
> > > > the
> > > > installer does it right if I tell it to install only the
> > > > relevant 
> > > > drivers.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi!
> > > 
> > > It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian
> > > 11
> > > (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems
> > > again,
> > > then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau.
> > > it's
> > > installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's
> > > proprietary
> > > drivers - nvidia-*.
> > 
> > I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the 
> > problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the
> > correct 
> > driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are
> > downloaded.
> 
> 
> There is a package nvidia-detect
> 
> it tells you which driver is appropriate for your NVidia's video
> card.

Yeah, I used that. Why didn't the installer use it, and choose the 390
driver instead of installing the 470 driver?

> 
> Kind regards
> Georgi
> 

Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:45 +0100, Mario Marietto wrote:
> If I dont get wrong,nvidia created one single driver which works for
> every gpu or almost ? it means that if I install the 525 driver for
> my RTX 2080 ti will it work also for my old gpu,GTX 1060 ? 

The 470 driver that the Debian installer chose doesn't work with GF108.
Only the 390 driver works. If you look at one of the alternative text
screens (not X) the load process is complaining about that -- but it
took me a week to find that.
 

> 
> Il mar 21 feb 2023, 22:28 Georgi Naplatanov  ha
> scritto:
> > On 2/21/23 23:16, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> > >> On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> > >>> I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I
> > don't see a
> > >>> reason to replace it.
> > >>>
> > >>> It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> > >>>
> > >>> But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which
> > doesn't
> > >>> work with GF108.
> > >>>
> > >>> Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers"
> > instead of
> > >>> "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant
> > "download them
> > >>> all in case you install some new hardware."
> > >>>
> > >>> Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the
> > relevant
> > >>> hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if
> > the
> > >>> installer does it right if I tell it to install only the
> > relevant 
> > >>> drivers.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi!
> > >>
> > >> It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian
> > 11
> > >> (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems
> > again,
> > >> then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau.
> > it's
> > >> installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's
> > proprietary
> > >> drivers - nvidia-*.
> > > 
> > > I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the
> > > problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the
> > correct 
> > > driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are
> > downloaded.
> > 
> > 
> > There is a package nvidia-detect
> > 
> > it tells you which driver is appropriate for your NVidia's video
> > card.
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > Georgi
> > 

Re: Nedit opens in a different workspace

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 15:43 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Then your sources.list file was incorrect to begin with.  I'm
> guessing
> you had something like this:
> 
> 
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
> 
> 
> You should never use the "stable" alias in the sources.list file,
> because
> it's a moving target.

That is indeed the line in /etc/apt/sources.list -- because that's what
the Debian installer put there. I didn't change lines in the file, but
I did add one line for the Intel OneAPI software development tools.

Re: Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 22:41 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> On 2/21/23 22:13, Van Snyder wrote:
> > I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't
> > see a 
> > reason to replace it.
> > 
> > It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.
> > 
> > But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which
> > doesn't 
> > work with GF108.
> > 
> > Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers"
> > instead of 
> > "install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download
> > them 
> > all in case you install some new hardware."
> > 
> > Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant 
> > hardware, even if it downloads all of them?
> > 
> > I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the 
> > installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant
> > drivers.
> > 
> 
> 
> Hi!
> 
> It seems that nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver is available in Debian 11 
> (bullseye). You have just to install it. If you have problems again, 
> then try to use open source driver for NVidia's cards - Nouveau. it's
> installed by default and you have just to uninstall NVidia's
> proprietary 
> drivers - nvidia-*.

I did install it, but it took me a week to find that that was the
problem. I had expected Debian's installer to choose to use the correct
driver even if all the drivers it has in its entire achive are
downloaded.

> 
> Kind regards
> Georgi
> 

Nedit opens in a different workspace

[Van Snyder]

I was convinced to do

  apt-get update; apt-get upgrade

to try to repair a problem in my Debian 10 installation. Now it has a
mish-mash of 10 & 11 pieces.

After doing that, when I open Nedit, either from the command-line or a
tool-bar icon, it opens in a random desktop, always different from the
one in which it is opened.

My window manager is KDE Plasma version 5.26.90. The KDE Frameworks
version is 5.102.0.

I tried changing the properties of the icon to use kstart5 with the --
currentdesktop option, but that had no effect.

I have an installation of Debian 11, on a different disk, in which this
does not occur. But that installation has other problems I mentioned
recently.

Does anybody have a suggestion how to repair this problem?

Debian installer chooses the wrong NVidia driver

[Van Snyder]

I have an NVidia GF108 video card. It works just fine, so I don't see a
reason to replace it.

It needs the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver.

But when I installed Debian 11, it chose the 470 driver, which doesn't
work with GF108.

Maybe that was caused by selecting "install all the drivers" instead of
"install only the relevant drivers." I thought that meant "download
them all in case you install some new hardware."

Shouldn't the installer install only the drivers for the relevant
hardware, even if it downloads all of them?

I'm not going to re-install just to do an experiment to see if the
installer does it right if I tell it to install only the relevant
drivers.

Evolution doesn't receive messages in Debian 11.

[Van Snyder]

I just upgraded to Debian 11. I had been using Debian 10. I've used
Evolution for many years. The version in Debian 11 is 3.48.

I use KDE Plasma version 5.26.90. The KDE Frameworks version is
5.102.0.

I get pop-up notes from KDE that evolution has received new messages.

But the messages don't appear in Evolution. I know it's not a mail
server problem because I can read the messages in Firefox -- but
Firefox doesn't have access to my archive, so I can't save anything (on
my own computer). If I were to work out how to get Firefox to save
them, and if I ever get Evolution working again, the messages won't be
in Evolution's format, and the other Evolution data structures won't be
updated.

There was a note about "messages not appearing in Evolution" many years
ago. It turned out to have been caused by the user's configuration
mistake. When I looked for that mistake in my configuration (which I
hadn't touched), I hadn't made it.

Does anybody have any suggestions to get it working?

When I installed Debian 11, I didn't destroy Debian 10. I still have
Debian 10 on a different drive. In attempting to repair an entirely
different problem, I had done

  apt-get update; apt-get upgrade

on the advice of a posting in one of the Debian forums. Now, in Debian
10, there's a mish-mash of Debian 11 parts. Evolution is version 3.46.
It works, but the user interface is now a mess. Icons are tiny and in
different places. The body has a black border between itself and the
window border. The title bar for the composer is entirely different
from the title bar of any other window -- about three times as thick,
containing several icons, including the "send" icon.

Does anybody have any suggestions to repair it?