Re: Mate desktop - was Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 16/07/15 05:19 PM, Bret Busby wrote: On 17/07/2015, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote: For example, how to change the font and font size in the panel and the title bars of windows; as an example, the font for the names of the menu's, in the panel, is too small, making it difficult to read. Again, as far as I know these are functions of GTK2 I do not know how to deal with that. When I try to investigate the functionality of the Appearance utility (or otherwise named application classification) from the System - Control Center menu, I get Unable to start the settings manager 'mate-settings-daemon'. Without the MATE settings manager running, some preferences may not take effect. This could indicate a problem with DBus, or a non-MATE (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with the MATE settings manager. Make sure mate-control-center-daemon is installed (maybe under another name as I am in Fedora at the moment). You'll also need mate-control-center-filesystem installed to run the control center. BTW, careful as both these use the U-S spelling center :) I have not wittingly launched any other settings manager, and I am not aware of any other settings manager, running. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55a82328@videotron.ca
Re: Mate desktop - was Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Thursday 16 July 2015 17:35:06 Bret Busby wrote: On 15/07/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/07/2015, Liam O'Toole liam.p.oto...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-06-22, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Is it really too much to ask, for application names to be in english? Yes it is. And, does it have all of thev functionality of gnome 2, including (but not limited to) allowing the panel to be positioned along the bottom of the screen, and, inclusion of the system monitor applet in the panel? Yes it does, and a little bit more besides. Just try it. It is perfect for those feeling nostalgic for GNOME 2. -- Okay, well I have now installed mate on the Ubuntu 14.04 and 1.04 installations on the Acer V3-772G, as it had occurred to me that I might possibly be able to rename the menu entries to meaningful english-like names. What I found, is that firstly, unlike my experience with gnome(3) classic, I could reposition the panel at the bottom of the screen. I also found that the menu's contain the installed applications links, that I had with the gnome classic menu's (unlike fvwm, which severely restricts the entries in the menu's). I also found, for Ubuntu 12.04 (I did not find it in Ubuntu 14.04, so I do not know whether Ubuntu 14.04 has the functionality), the provision, as with gnome 2, to add the 6 panel system monitor to the panel/taskbar, for ongoing monitoring of the proportionate use of the resources. So, the issue of the application names for mate, being in spanish, is irrelevant, as I have the english-like application names, for the applications from gnome and kde. And, apart from the little Ubuntu icon in the bottom left corner of the panel, the screen looks pretty much like gnome2 running on Debian 6. So, it seems to be working. Except that I can not find a support mailing list for the mate desktop, that would provide users with a means of obtaining help to solve problems, of to answer queries, about the mate desktop. I looked at the web page at http://ml.mate-desktop.org/listinfo/ , but no list is listed, for users to post messages for seeking help or for discussion of the desktop environment. There is this: http://forums.mate-desktop.org/ I don't personally like fora, but many people do. There is also Social media stuff and IRC http://mate-desktop.org/community/ And hopefully there are some Debian MATE users here who can help. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201507161753.43245.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Mate desktop - was Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 15/07/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/07/2015, Liam O'Toole liam.p.oto...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-06-22, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Is it really too much to ask, for application names to be in english? Yes it is. And, does it have all of thev functionality of gnome 2, including (but not limited to) allowing the panel to be positioned along the bottom of the screen, and, inclusion of the system monitor applet in the panel? Yes it does, and a little bit more besides. Just try it. It is perfect for those feeling nostalgic for GNOME 2. -- Okay, well I have now installed mate on the Ubuntu 14.04 and 1.04 installations on the Acer V3-772G, as it had occurred to me that I might possibly be able to rename the menu entries to meaningful english-like names. What I found, is that firstly, unlike my experience with gnome(3) classic, I could reposition the panel at the bottom of the screen. I also found that the menu's contain the installed applications links, that I had with the gnome classic menu's (unlike fvwm, which severely restricts the entries in the menu's). I also found, for Ubuntu 12.04 (I did not find it in Ubuntu 14.04, so I do not know whether Ubuntu 14.04 has the functionality), the provision, as with gnome 2, to add the 6 panel system monitor to the panel/taskbar, for ongoing monitoring of the proportionate use of the resources. So, the issue of the application names for mate, being in spanish, is irrelevant, as I have the english-like application names, for the applications from gnome and kde. And, apart from the little Ubuntu icon in the bottom left corner of the panel, the screen looks pretty much like gnome2 running on Debian 6. So, it seems to be working. Except that I can not find a support mailing list for the mate desktop, that would provide users with a means of obtaining help to solve problems, of to answer queries, about the mate desktop. I looked at the web page at http://ml.mate-desktop.org/listinfo/ , but no list is listed, for users to post messages for seeking help or for discussion of the desktop environment. For example, how to change the font and font size in the panel and the title bars of windows; as an example, the font for the names of the menu's, in the panel, is too small, making it difficult to read. Also, whether a screensaver is available, like the screensaver in gnome 2, that allows for the screensaver to be directed (for displaying stuff while the screen is taken over by the screensaver) to the Pictures directory, rather than one of the things like blobs moving around the screen. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8myykb27uxsyo6qgo+ojlunyuqtrejkjypyakq8p_m...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mate desktop - was Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 17/07/2015, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote: Also, whether a screensaver is available, like the screensaver in gnome 2, that allows for the screensaver to be directed (for displaying stuff while the screen is taken over by the screensaver) to the Pictures directory, rather than one of the things like blobs moving around the screen. Yes, the mate-screensaver does that...and more. However you'll need the GL extensions for the slideshow provisions. YMMV. Do an aptitude search for mate...and you'll find what's available. Thank you for that. I used Synaptic to find the GL stuff for the mate screensaver, and install what I believe was needed (GL and GL-extras, or something like that). The system showed two screensavers (it appeared to be duplication, as they both had the same icon and name in the System - Preferences menu), and I found that one of them was the xscreensaver, and the other was the mate screensaver (I only found that it was the mate screensaver, as Synaptic showed the mate screensaver to be installed in addition to the xscreensaver), and the xscreensaver was the one that was enabled. So I setup the mate screensaver, and set the xscreensaver to not take effect until after 60 minutes of inactivity, and, using the File menu within it, killed the xscreensaver daemon, so it should not resume, at least until the system is rebooted. Without uninstalling the xscreensaver, I do not know how to stop it being enabled (so that, when the system is rebooted, it does not become again enabled). And now, I have a screensaver that brings up the files in my Pictures directory. Thank you again, for that. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8P8TWBhBPA6AQyxjqPTRr=obseszyqgkl+ekmea0qn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mate desktop - was Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 17/07/2015, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote: For example, how to change the font and font size in the panel and the title bars of windows; as an example, the font for the names of the menu's, in the panel, is too small, making it difficult to read. Again, as far as I know these are functions of GTK2 I do not know how to deal with that. When I try to investigate the functionality of the Appearance utility (or otherwise named application classification) from the System - Control Center menu, I get Unable to start the settings manager 'mate-settings-daemon'. Without the MATE settings manager running, some preferences may not take effect. This could indicate a problem with DBus, or a non-MATE (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with the MATE settings manager. I have not wittingly launched any other settings manager, and I am not aware of any other settings manager, running. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8pzqd6t9woqrhxvtfruj9zshxt00mmqwn2nesqm3v9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mate desktop - was Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 16/07/15 12:35 PM, Bret Busby wrote: On 15/07/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/07/2015, Liam O'Toole liam.p.oto...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-06-22, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Is it really too much to ask, for application names to be in english? Yes it is. And, does it have all of thev functionality of gnome 2, including (but not limited to) allowing the panel to be positioned along the bottom of the screen, and, inclusion of the system monitor applet in the panel? Yes it does, and a little bit more besides. Just try it. It is perfect for those feeling nostalgic for GNOME 2. -- Okay, well I have now installed mate on the Ubuntu 14.04 and 1.04 installations on the Acer V3-772G, as it had occurred to me that I might possibly be able to rename the menu entries to meaningful english-like names. What I found, is that firstly, unlike my experience with gnome(3) classic, I could reposition the panel at the bottom of the screen. I also found that the menu's contain the installed applications links, that I had with the gnome classic menu's (unlike fvwm, which severely restricts the entries in the menu's). I also found, for Ubuntu 12.04 (I did not find it in Ubuntu 14.04, so I do not know whether Ubuntu 14.04 has the functionality), the provision, as with gnome 2, to add the 6 panel system monitor to the panel/taskbar, for ongoing monitoring of the proportionate use of the resources. So, the issue of the application names for mate, being in spanish, is irrelevant, as I have the english-like application names, for the applications from gnome and kde. And, apart from the little Ubuntu icon in the bottom left corner of the panel, the screen looks pretty much like gnome2 running on Debian 6. So, it seems to be working. Except that I can not find a support mailing list for the mate desktop, that would provide users with a means of obtaining help to solve problems, of to answer queries, about the mate desktop. As far as I know...there isn't one. One of the shortcomings of Mate is the lack of solid USER information. Google searches help but even though it's hit and miss. For example, how to change the font and font size in the panel and the title bars of windows; as an example, the font for the names of the menu's, in the panel, is too small, making it difficult to read. Again, as far as I know these are functions of GTK2 Also, whether a screensaver is available, like the screensaver in gnome 2, that allows for the screensaver to be directed (for displaying stuff while the screen is taken over by the screensaver) to the Pictures directory, rather than one of the things like blobs moving around the screen. Yes, the mate-screensaver does that...and more. However you'll need the GL extensions for the slideshow provisions. YMMV. Do an aptitude search for mate...and you'll find what's available. All in all I like Mate...but I also like XFCE and find myself switching back and forth regularly. As I said documentation is a little on the short side. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55a8039b.7020...@videotron.ca
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 04/07/2015, Liam O'Toole liam.p.oto...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-06-22, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Is it really too much to ask, for application names to be in english? Yes it is. And, does it have all of thev functionality of gnome 2, including (but not limited to) allowing the panel to be positioned along the bottom of the screen, and, inclusion of the system monitor applet in the panel? Yes it does, and a little bit more besides. Just try it. It is perfect for those feeling nostalgic for GNOME 2. -- Okay, well I have now installed mate on the Ubuntu 14.04 and 1.04 installations on the Acer V3-772G, as it had occurred to me that I might possibly be able to rename the menu entries to meaningful english-like names. What I found, is that firstly, unlike my experience with gnome(3) classic, I could reposition the panel at the bottom of the screen. I also found that the menu's contain the installed applications links, that I had with the gnome classic menu's (unlike fvwm, which severely restricts the entries in the menu's). I also found, for Ubuntu 12.04 (I did not find it in Ubuntu 14.04, so I do not know whether Ubuntu 14.04 has the functionality), the provision, as with gnome 2, to add the 6 panel system monitor to the panel/taskbar, for ongoing monitoring of the proportionate use of the resources. So, the issue of the application names for mate, being in spanish, is irrelevant, as I have the english-like application names, for the applications from gnome and kde. And, apart from the little Ubuntu icon in the bottom left corner of the panel, the screen looks pretty much like gnome2 running on Debian 6. So, it seems to be working. Now, to try dragonflybsd with mate and gnome (for the gnome applications, such as gedit, gftp, et, etc), as dragonflybsd is apparently the only bsd (of which I am aware), that has drivers for the Intel Haswell hardware. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8m33atmavle-j-5-oq0h6jmgfpzdryfcuvcqpqdthq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 2015-06-22, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Is it really too much to ask, for application names to be in english? Yes it is. And, does it have all of thev functionality of gnome 2, including (but not limited to) allowing the panel to be positioned along the bottom of the screen, and, inclusion of the system monitor applet in the panel? Yes it does, and a little bit more besides. Just try it. It is perfect for those feeling nostalgic for GNOME 2. -- Liam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmpfniv.ckm.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 2015-06-23, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/06/2015, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Bret Busby wrote: But all of this digression into discussing the mate desktop environment stll does not get either Debian 6 or 7 working with either the intel, or the nvidia, graphics device, in the Acer V3-772G, to drive the external monitor. Squeeze and Wheezy are old, and neither contained bumblebee. It is unfortunate that the direction that this thread has now taken, appears to indicate that Debian versions, apart from ths stable version, are not supported. A stable release is supported with respect to security updates and fixes for major bugs only, from its release date until one year after the release of its successor. That is basic Debian release policy, and I fail to see why it has taken countless contributions to this and other threads for you to grasp it. -- Liam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmpfo88.ckm.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Bret Busby wrote: It is unfortunate that the direction that this thread has now taken, appears to indicate that Debian versions, apart from ths stable version, are not supported. On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Bret Busby wrote: And so is the particular computer, now, old, so they should be able to get it fully functional. It is not as if the computer is now, cutting edge, new technology - it is at least two years old. Yes, and coincidentally, wheezy is also two years old. Squeeze is even older. Optimus video chipsets are notoriously tricky to get working correctly, and it's only in the past few years that the bumblebee project has gotten them doing the right thing. Wheezy has the packages backported, but you might as well just upgrade to jessie at this point. But go ahead and do whatever you want; it's your computer after all. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com It's brief and bright, dear children; bright and brief. Delight's the lightning; the long thunder's grief. -- John Frederick Nims Poetry in Motion p31 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150623160140.GM2069@geta
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Monday 22 June 2015 17:25:38 Bret Busby wrote: On 21/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 20 June 2015 18:01:41 Bret Busby wrote: mate, apart from being in spanish, codswallop! Lisi At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(software) is MATE (/mɑːteɪ/; Spanish pronunciation: [ˈmate]) is a desktop environment forked from the now-unmaintained code base of GNOME 2. It is named after the South American plant Yerba mate and tea made from the herb, mate.[3] The use of a new name, instead of GNOME, avoids conflicts with GNOME 3 components. Sorry everyone. I said that MATE is available in Spanish. It would appear that I am wrong!!! quote from http://mate-desktop.org/ MATE Desktop Environment Also available in: Français Deutsch Türkçe Italiano polski /quote Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506221751.00907.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 21/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 20 June 2015 18:01:41 Bret Busby wrote: mate, apart from being in spanish, codswallop! Lisi At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(software) is MATE (/mɑːteɪ/; Spanish pronunciation: [ˈmate]) is a desktop environment forked from the now-unmaintained code base of GNOME 2. It is named after the South American plant Yerba mate and tea made from the herb, mate.[3] The use of a new name, instead of GNOME, avoids conflicts with GNOME 3 components. Spanish. At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_mate is Yerba mate (from Spanish [ˈʝerβa ˈmate] Spanish. At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage) is Mate (Spanish: [ˈmate] Spanish. At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(software) is MATE has forked a number of applications originating as the GNOME Core Applications, and developers have written several other applications from scratch. The forked applications have new names - mostly in Spanish: But, them, you are the all-knowing ex-spurt, ane everyone who thinks differently to you, is automatically absolutely wrong. As you said, tha mate desktop is not spanish - it is codswallop. And, as you are obviously always absolutely correct, the mate desktop must be codswallop. And, obviously, anyone who disagrees, must be wrong, because you said it. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8Mjys576JM8DGaiH6bPq__2mNd4Xz22s+GtsM1rWV=p...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 23/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: But you are just a troll Me a troll? Is it me who started flaming a list subscriber who was trying to get something working in Debian? Strange - I thought that an objective of this list, was to help people who can not get things working in Debian, rather than the gratuitous flaming that you impose on victims. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8on5kghmo3ks-zeazhyuvc_hrc4ybo0xcagm1sldid...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Monday 22 June 2015 17:25:38 Bret Busby wrote: On 21/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 20 June 2015 18:01:41 Bret Busby wrote: mate, apart from being in spanish, codswallop! Lisi At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(software) is MATE (/mɑːteɪ/; Spanish pronunciation: [ˈmate]) is a desktop environment forked from the now-unmaintained code base of GNOME 2. It is named after the South American plant Yerba mate and tea made from the herb, mate.[3] The use of a new name, instead of GNOME, avoids conflicts with GNOME 3 components. The NAME is Spanish. The desktop is available in Spanish. Do you have some racial prejudice against it as a result so that you cannot even look at it because of that? Pity that while you were Googling you didn't find this: http://mate-desktop.org/ But you are just a troll and it is stupid of me to answer. You haven't got a real problem and you don't want a solution. You just want to rant. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506221747.52652.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 23/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 22 June 2015 17:25:38 Bret Busby wrote: On 21/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 20 June 2015 18:01:41 Bret Busby wrote: mate, apart from being in spanish, codswallop! Lisi At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(software) is MATE (/mɑːteɪ/; Spanish pronunciation: [ˈmate]) is a desktop environment forked from the now-unmaintained code base of GNOME 2. It is named after the South American plant Yerba mate and tea made from the herb, mate.[3] The use of a new name, instead of GNOME, avoids conflicts with GNOME 3 components. The NAME is Spanish. The desktop is available in Spanish. Do you have some racial prejudice against it as a result so that you cannot even look at it because of that? The names of the applications are also in spanish. Is it really too much to ask, for application names to be in english? And, does it have all of thev functionality of gnome 2, including (but not limited to) allowing the panel to be positioned along the bottom of the screen, and, inclusion of the system monitor applet in the panel? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8P4AiJT8d2bHM8RAcBNbWHWJB-Ud09=8jzp+a9cmkp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 22/06/15 18:01, Bret Busby wrote: The names of the applications are also in spanish. Is it really too much to ask, for application names to be in english? Speaking as a native speaker of English: Yes. What's wrong with using languages other than English to name programs? The last program I wrote is named in Latin (as is one of my favourite commercial video games), and the name of the audio player software I use on my desktop PC is a word from the Inuit languages. And, does it have all of thev functionality of gnome 2, including (but not limited to) allowing the panel to be positioned along the bottom of the screen, and, inclusion of the system monitor applet in the panel? From the wikipedia article: MATE is a desktop environment forked from the now-unmaintained code base of GNOME 2. It is named after the South American plant Yerba mate and tea made from the herb, mate. The use of a new name, instead of GNOME, avoids conflicts with GNOME 3 components. From the official web site: The MATE Desktop Environment is the continuation of GNOME 2. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/558856ab.5050...@zen.co.uk
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Bret Busby wrote: But all of this digression into discussing the mate desktop environment stll does not get either Debian 6 or 7 working with either the intel, or the nvidia, graphics device, in the Acer V3-772G, to drive the external monitor. Squeeze and Wheezy are old, and neither contained bumblebee. Try using jessie instead, with no xorg.conf after installing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and bumblebee. If you don't see the external monitor in xrandr, then you'll have to provide the xrandr -q; and Xorg.0.log files again. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Something the junk advertisers don't seem to understand: we live in an information super-saturated world. If I don't want to buy something, no amount of shouting or propagandizing will budge me; all it will do is get me annoyed. On the other hand, if I have a need for your product, I can seek it out in an eyeblink. -- Charles Stross Toast: A Con Report in _Toast_ p136 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150622212506.GK2069@geta
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 23/06/2015, Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk wrote: On 22/06/15 18:01, Bret Busby wrote: The names of the applications are also in spanish. Is it really too much to ask, for application names to be in english? Speaking as a native speaker of English: Yes. What's wrong with using languages other than English to name programs? The last program I wrote is named in Latin (as is one of my favourite commercial video games), and the name of the audio player software I use on my desktop PC is a word from the Inuit languages. And, does it have all of thev functionality of gnome 2, including (but not limited to) allowing the panel to be positioned along the bottom of the screen, and, inclusion of the system monitor applet in the panel? From the wikipedia article: MATE is a desktop environment forked from the now-unmaintained code base of GNOME 2. It is named after the South American plant Yerba mate and tea made from the herb, mate. The use of a new name, instead of GNOME, avoids conflicts with GNOME 3 components. From the official web site: The MATE Desktop Environment is the continuation of GNOME 2. But all of this digression into discussing the mate desktop environment stll does not get either Debian 6 or 7 working with either the intel, or the nvidia, graphics device, in the Acer V3-772G, to drive the external monitor. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8pmbtmqwtxogsr2ooovco_1rqgq+kufnnurbydpqdm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Bret Busby wrote: The names of the applications are also in spanish. They're just names. You're using a DE with a mouse and icons; the names don't really matter that much. Is it really too much to ask, for application names to be in english? Yes. Commands and applications need to have recognizable, unique names. Given that we're now 40+ years into software naming, it's not that unusual for non-english names to be chosen. Yerba mate is pretty tasty, after all. Debian is replete with software whose primary development occurs in languages which are not english. As long as the command name is transliterated into [a-z0-9]+, is unique, and is not generic, it's perfectly fine. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com [C]haos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order, because it is better organized. -- Terry Pratchett _Interesting Times_ p4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150622182907.GJ2069@geta
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 23/06/2015, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Bret Busby wrote: But all of this digression into discussing the mate desktop environment stll does not get either Debian 6 or 7 working with either the intel, or the nvidia, graphics device, in the Acer V3-772G, to drive the external monitor. Squeeze and Wheezy are old, And so is the particular computer, now, old, so they should be able to get it fully functional. It is not as if the computer is now, cutting edge, new technology - it is at least two years old. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8ng0lc_4pxl_8pabppb1tvk4lneu8d7rx+i6zmdv_k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 23/06/2015, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Bret Busby wrote: But all of this digression into discussing the mate desktop environment stll does not get either Debian 6 or 7 working with either the intel, or the nvidia, graphics device, in the Acer V3-772G, to drive the external monitor. Squeeze and Wheezy are old, and neither contained bumblebee. It is unfortunate that the direction that this thread has now taken, appears to indicate that Debian versions, apart from ths stable version, are not supported. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8PELVpC+rpZpq7fmT=nmyzxpaln-u1xakqu8_hryph...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 06/20/2015 05:03 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 20 June 2015 18:08:53 Bret Busby wrote: I understand that mate is in spanish, As I said, codswallop. Why don't you look at it before dismissing it? Lisi Lisi. What ever happened to Karl?? :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55867091.6040...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: Copies of Xorg.0.log (on both Wheezy and Ubuntu) would also be helpful, just to see what your system detects, and how they differ. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat Xorg.0.log cat: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory If you read the top of my previous post you would have seen the full path to that file. Sorry - I had read the whole of the post, and had tried to respond to it in modularised progressive steps, and when I got down to that part, I had forgotten the content of the first paragraph. See below for Ubuntu 12.04 I have attached a copy of the file from the Debian 6 installation. I have attached a copy of the file from the Debian 6 installation on the Acer 5750G with (I believe) an inboard Intel HD device in addition to the nvidia geforce gt520m device. The lshw command output on the Acer 5750G, running Debian 6, includes *-pci description: Host bridge product: Sandy Bridge DRAM Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 100 bus info: pci@:00:00.0 version: 09 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz *-pci:0 description: PCI bridge product: Sandy Bridge PCI Express Root Port vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 1 bus info: pci@:00:01.0 version: 09 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pci pm msi pciexpress normal_decode bus_master cap_list configuration: driver=pcieport resources: irq:24 ioport:2000(size=4096) memory:d000-d10f ioport:a000(size=301989888) *-display UNCLAIMED description: VGA compatible controller product: nVidia Corporation vendor: nVidia Corporation physical id: 0 bus info: pci@:01:00.0 version: a1 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller cap_list configuration: latency=0 resources: memory:d000-d0ff memory:a000-afff(prefetchable) memory:b000-b1ff(prefetchable) ioport:2000(size=128) memory:d100-d107(prefetchable) *-display UNCLAIMED description: VGA compatible controller product: Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info: pci@:00:02.0 version: 09 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list configuration: latency=0 resources: memory:d140-d17f memory:c000-cfff(prefetchable) ioport:3000(size=64) Now, maybe the Sandy Bridge thing is not the inboard Intel HD thing that I had believed to be present, but, to me, it appears that Debian 6, on the Acer 5750G, drives the Intel device, that successfully drives the external monitor, but cannot properly drive the Intel device on the Acer V3-772G, so as to drive the external monitor. So, it may be that it is notsomuch an issue with nvidia devices, but, rather, a matter as to whether Debian can properly drive the intel graphics controller on the Acer V3-772G. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 Xorg.0.log Description: Binary data
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 20/06/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 01:45:42 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/06/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: And then again - if Ubuntu satisfies your needs, why suffer with Debian oldstable? As should be shown by examining the full headers of this and other messages not explicitly sent from the Debian installations, I am using Ubuntu 12.04, except where necessary for attempts to get the Debian installations working. I did not meant any offense, sorry just in case. BTW which particular header do you have in mind? Because whatever MUA you're using does not supply X-Mailer header. And judging by the lowest 'Received', this e-mail I'm replying to was send via GMail web interface. I would rather use Debian 6, as it has the superior interface, to the later Debian versions, and to Ubuntu, but, to use Debian 6, I have to use a lesser computer. Ah, I get it now. So, layman's terms put aside, you like to use GNOME2 and not GNOME3. And that Ubuntu's Unity is just not your cup of tea. I believe that on the Ubuntu 12.04 and 14.04 installations, gnome 3 is the desktop manager and I use, as I use on Debian 7, when i boot it,, gnome classic, as it kind of resembles gnome 2, to an extent, but, as far as I am aware, I do not have ubuntu unity installed on either ubuntu installation. Well, they don't argue about tastes, as they say. Ever tried this Mate thing? Same GNOME2, only it's supported (as of wheezy and jessie) and every program is called funny. I understand that mate is in spanish, and it appears to lack the functionality of gnome 2. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8nzwttnhfuodtxxgdqdwpp1zp6jkhpvcis3n3kkxcm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. On Debian 6; :~# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080 default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1920x1080 0.0* And on Debian 7; :~# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080 default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1920x1080 0.0* And, on Debian 6, on the Acer 5750, which has (I believe) both an inboard Intel HD graphics device and an nvidia geforce gt520m, and, with output switched to only the external monitor, root@bret-apc01-debian6:~# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080 default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1920x1080 0.0* 1280x1024 0.0 1024x7680.0 800x600 0.0 640x480 0.0 -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8NdCJ81icoL2JfLfZWGmqi6=mbov94xmn8j9qosqsf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:23:03 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going there would be a lot better than with Squeeze. Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are usually called nvidia-xxx, then do apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same for Wheezy. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx The xxx should be replaced by the major version number you are using. Try dpkg -l | grep nvidia to see what packages are installed, then use apt-cache policy to determine the full version of the one that is installed. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ dpkg -l | grep nvidia ii nvidia-331 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library ii nvidia-331-updates 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library ii nvidia-common 1:0.2.44.2 Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers ii nvidia-prime0.5~hybrid0.0.3 Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime ii nvidia-settings 331.20-0ubuntu0.0.1 Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy I apologise - I appear to have lost the plot and simply got too confused. I think this is what was sought; bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-331 nvidia-331: Installed: 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 Candidate: 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 Version table: *** 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 0 500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/restricted amd64 Packages 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status And from Debian 6; root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# dpkg -l | grep nvidia rc nvidia-glx 195.36.31-6squeeze2 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver rc nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 195.36.31+4+6squeeze2+2.6.32-45 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# apt-cache policy Similarly, obtaining and sending that, was apparently erroneous, with what I believe was sought, was instead thus; root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# apt-cache policy nvidia-195 N: Unable to locate package nvidia-195 root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# apt-cache policy nvidia-195.36.31 N: Unable to locate package nvidia-195.36.31 N: Couldn't find any package by regex 'nvidia-195.36.31' I apologise again - I appear to have got too confused. And, on Debian 6 running on the Acer 5750G, with (I believe) an in board Intel HD graphics device in addition to the nvidia geforce gt520m, is root@bret-apc01-debian6:~# dpkg -l | grep nvidia root@bret-apc01-debian6:~# So, the Debian 6 installation on the Acer 5750G, with (I believe) an in board Intel HD graphics device in addition to the nvidia geforce gt520m, appears to me, to not detect the nvidia device, and simply uses the inboard Intel HD device, to successfully drive the external monitor. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the ananswer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8Mzr=mjwzhk1mszse+_y2pyhy_x_2wfsfzmphyy1pc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 20/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 June 2015 18:49:38 Bret Busby wrote: On 20/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote: Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is released and decreed stable, development of that version and its packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned, and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed stable, and released. If you don't like it, don't use it. No-one is making you. And that is the attitude of software developers, that some software engineering lecturers who are worth their salt, warn against, as it leads to the disrepute of the IT industry. Nonsense. It is impossible to produce an OS that everybody likes. Most people like Windows after all. Use something you like. Don't complain about something that many of us love and expect it to be changed just to suit you. I am not seeking to have it changed to suit me. I just want it to work. There is enough choice out there, after all. Have you tried Ubuntu with Mate? From what I have seen, mate, apart from being in spanish, does not have the functionality of gnome 2. I do not know why gnome 2 had to be eliminated due to it being a working thing. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8nkcqdpgsxnjxmikivgqmqqtov1pemgiscxymmgv-s...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Saturday 20 June 2015 18:01:41 Bret Busby wrote: mate, apart from being in spanish, codswallop! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506202202.11842.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Saturday 20 June 2015 18:08:53 Bret Busby wrote: I understand that mate is in spanish, As I said, codswallop. Why don't you look at it before dismissing it? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506202203.08306.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 06/19/2015 02:07 PM, Reco wrote: I would rather use Debian 6, as it has the superior interface, to the later Debian versions, and to Ubuntu, but, to use Debian 6, I have to use a lesser computer. Ah, I get it now. So, layman's terms put aside, you like to use GNOME2 and not GNOME3. And that Ubuntu's Unity is just not your cup of tea. Well, they don't argue about tastes, as they say. Ever tried this Mate thing? Same GNOME2, only it's supported (as of wheezy and jessie) and every program is called funny. THIS is what all of this boils down to? We've all been taken down this intellectual memory lane trip so you could use Gnome2? With space-age chipsets? I coulda had a V-8! smacks head Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/558490e9.5010...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 06/19/2015 12:23 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote: Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is released and decreed stable, development of that version and its packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned, and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed stable, and released. If you don't like it, don't use it. No-one is making you. If he would just take squeeze out of the equation, it ~might~ help. From what I read it won't be a simple matter of installing a nvidia driver. He's got this video chip hybrid from Hell, and Bumblebee is ~supposed~ to be the cure. If it were me, I would install Jessie so fast it would make your head spin. I would want my OS to be as recent as my chipsets (only two years old) Others report success, with Bumblebee, but there is quite a bit of hand-wringing going on. My two cents, Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55848d31.4060...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 06/19/2015 05:58 AM, Bret Busby wrote: ii nvidia-prime0.5~hybrid0.0.3 Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime Google this, for the love of $DEITY$ http://askubuntu.com/questions/363775/what-is-the-use-of-nvidia-prime -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/558491f9.7050...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 06/19/2015 02:51 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: No, it wouldn't solve the problem. He can get Ubuntu going to his satisfaction, but he cannot get Debian going to his satisfaction. ...running Squeeze, a 5 year old OS, while expecting it will be maintained at Wheezy/Jessie level. We've beaten that horse so much is approaches abuse to the gentle readers. :/ Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55848eec.5070...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going there would be a lot better than with Squeeze. Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are usually called nvidia-xxx, then do apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same for Wheezy. Copies of Xorg.0.log (on both Wheezy and Ubuntu) would also be helpful, just to see what your system detects, and how they differ. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpohfUXljwpM.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/19/2015 12:15 AM, Bret Busby wrote: On 19/06/2015, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/18/2015 03:25 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: There are, however, no hits on bumblebee for squeeze at all, so it won't help in this case. Maybe you could try to build it from source? At this point that may be your only chance. If only you could do that with the drivers... It might also be that it is (maybe for one of the reasons I listed in my previous mail) incompatible with Squeeze. I just don't know, sorry. I see the same thing, https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#From_repository It doesn't appear to be available for sqeeze. I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. Check and see if you have the tool 'intel-virtual-output' installed. This is included in 'xf86-video-intel' = v2.99, aprox date released is 22/Dec/2014 In searching in synaptic, for xf86-video-intel , two results are returned; xserver-xorg-video-intel - installed xserver-xorg-video-i740 - not installed -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8pn9nomdbx3ugh1e8z2xvu1rfc_8loyorrvgazvgf4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. On Debian 6; :~# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080 default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1920x1080 0.0* -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8PqdDswn64epnEgCZZAv+5GN4hdK4x=izu4ypptn5z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? I believe that I have previously posted this, for eac of the four operating systems, or, at least, for the two Debian ones. I am currently in the Debian 7 installation. Using a gnome classic session (as the nearest equivalent to, but, not as good as, gnome 2), from the Applications menu, System Tools - Preferences - Monitor Settings shows The following monitor is detected Using the About button in hat dialogue box, shows it to be using LXRandR 0.1.2 In the Debian 6 installation, using gnome 2, the menu path is System menu - Preferences - Monitors and that dialogue box shows a button Detect Monitors (the Debian 7 installation equivalent dialogue box does not have that button - the Debian 7 installation appears to perform the monitors detection, automatically) selecting that button produces no change - only the Unknown monitor is indicated, being the screen on the laptop computer. That dialogue box in the Debian 6 installation, does not include an About button, so the applicable utility and its version, cannot be determined from the dialogue box. Synaptic did not show a randr (either xrandr or lxrandr) package as being installed, and as a Synaptic seatch for xrandr did not include xrandr, I have just installed lxrandr. So now, in the System menu - Preferences menu, I have two distinct options relating to monitors; Monitors and now, also, Monitor Settings The Monitor Settings dialogue box shows it to be LXRandR 0.1.1 And still, the external monitor is not detected in Debian 6. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8pbcbpvo+eseyhzpbew1qsn1tbc+dy3avjkxdadhfd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? I believe that I have previously posted this, for eac of the four operating systems, or, at least, for the two Debian ones. I am currently in the Debian 7 installation. Using a gnome classic session (as the nearest equivalent to, but, not as good as, gnome 2), from the Applications menu, System Tools - Preferences - Monitor Settings shows The following monitor is detected Using the About button in hat dialogue box, shows it to be using LXRandR 0.1.2 -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8pufhigflyhrbvxxoys2vjyzqfvcktmszdpvdqhx+j...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:23:03 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going there would be a lot better than with Squeeze. Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are usually called nvidia-xxx, then do apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same for Wheezy. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx The xxx should be replaced by the major version number you are using. Try dpkg -l | grep nvidia to see what packages are installed, then use apt-cache policy to determine the full version of the one that is installed. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ dpkg -l | grep nvidia ii nvidia-331 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library ii nvidia-331-updates 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library ii nvidia-common 1:0.2.44.2 Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers ii nvidia-prime0.5~hybrid0.0.3 Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime ii nvidia-settings 331.20-0ubuntu0.0.1 Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy Package files: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now 500 http://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable/non-free i386 Packages release o=Opera Software ASA,a=stable,n=stable,l=The Opera web browser,c=non-free origin deb.opera.com 500 http://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable/non-free amd64 Packages release o=Opera Software ASA,a=stable,n=stable,l=The Opera web browser,c=non-free origin deb.opera.com 500 http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages release v=12.04,o=LP-PPA-app-review-board,a=precise,n=precise,l=Application Review Board PPA,c=main origin extras.ubuntu.com 500 http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages release v=12.04,o=LP-PPA-app-review-board,a=precise,n=precise,l=Application Review Board PPA,c=main origin extras.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe Translation-en 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted Translation-en 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse Translation-en 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main Translation-en 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse i386 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=multiverse origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe i386 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=universe origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted i386 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=restricted origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main i386 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=main origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse amd64 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=multiverse origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe amd64 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=universe origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted amd64 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=restricted origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main amd64 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=main origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-backports/universe Translation-en 500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 17:50:17 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I have attached a copy of the file from the Debian 6 installation. It's not loading neither the nouveau nor the nvidia driver, is one of them correctly installed, and is the kernel module loaded? For Squeeze, I simply do not know. There might not *be* a driver for your GPU available for Squeeze. From what I can find at packages.debian.org, it doesn't look like it. v295 from backports is most likely far too old. The packages available from nVidia's website will most likely not work in Squeeze, either, as your kernel and X will be too old. It would probably be more worthwhile to try and get something close to v331 of the nvidia driver up and running on Wheezy. It seems the version in Wheezy is 304, with 334 in backports. I would try the backports one, if I were you: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ The package you want is called nvidia-driver. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpIux8d0o5rp.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 2015-06-19, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry - I had read the whole of the post, and had tried to respond to it in modularised progressive steps, and when I got down to that part, I had forgotten the content of the first paragraph. Didn't we already go through this once with you in a long, protracted, confused and confusing thread, the exact same issue, not too long ago? See below for Ubuntu 12.04 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmo866l.2rs.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going there would be a lot better than with Squeeze. Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are usually called nvidia-xxx, then do apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same for Wheezy. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx From Ubuntu 12.04, as I previously mentioned having thusly added the nvidia 331 drivers (Ubuntu 12.04 successfully detected and provided use of the external monitor, both before and after the installation of the nvidia drivers) From System Settings - Additional Drivers; Proprietary drivers are being used... NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version 331) NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (version 331-updates) Copies of Xorg.0.log (on both Wheezy and Ubuntu) would also be helpful, just to see what your system detects, and how they differ. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat Xorg.0.log cat: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8m3wgh+qtrvzazg_gwzqbt2qvpxsetdjaenm+mu8pv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:23:03 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going there would be a lot better than with Squeeze. Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are usually called nvidia-xxx, then do apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same for Wheezy. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx The xxx should be replaced by the major version number you are using. Try dpkg -l | grep nvidia to see what packages are installed, then use apt-cache policy to determine the full version of the one that is installed. From Ubuntu 12.04, as I previously mentioned having thusly added the nvidia 331 drivers (Ubuntu 12.04 successfully detected and provided use of the external monitor, both before and after the installation of the nvidia drivers) So you could use the external screen with the nouveau driver? Have you tried that with Wheezy? I don't have the time to go through this entire thread again, I was simply under the impression that Ubuntu 12.04 with the proprietary driver was the only combination that would see the external screen. If that isn't the case, then we have more to work with. From System Settings - Additional Drivers; Proprietary drivers are being used... NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version 331) NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (version 331-updates) OK, major version 331. Copies of Xorg.0.log (on both Wheezy and Ubuntu) would also be helpful, just to see what your system detects, and how they differ. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat Xorg.0.log cat: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory If you read the top of my previous post you would have seen the full path to that file. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpyYzr2a7Pio.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: Copies of Xorg.0.log (on both Wheezy and Ubuntu) would also be helpful, just to see what your system detects, and how they differ. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat Xorg.0.log cat: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory If you read the top of my previous post you would have seen the full path to that file. Sorry - I had read the whole of the post, and had tried to respond to it in modularised progressive steps, and when I got down to that part, I had forgotten the content of the first paragraph. See below for Ubuntu 12.04 -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ' -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log [24.305] X.Org X Server 1.15.1 Release Date: 2014-04-13 [24.306] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 [24.306] Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.42-75-generic x86_64 Ubuntu [24.306] Current Operating System: Linux bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS 3.13.0-54-generic #91~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 27 10:48:29 UTC 2015 x86_64 [24.306] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-54-generic root=UUID=50c16b74-e83e-4900-a870-19a1bcc9304b ro quiet splash [24.306] Build Date: 12 February 2015 03:37:52PM [24.306] xorg-server 2:1.15.1-0ubuntu2~precise5 (For technical support please see http://www.ubuntu.com/support) [24.306] Current version of pixman: 0.30.2 [24.306]Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. [24.306] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [24.306] (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Fri Jun 19 15:58:42 2015 [24.597] (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf [24.597] (==) Using system config directory /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d [24.688] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. [24.688] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults. [24.688] (**) |--Screen Default Screen Section (0) [24.688] (**) | |--Monitor default monitor [24.688] (==) No monitor specified for screen Default Screen Section. Using a default monitor configuration. [24.688] (==) Automatically adding devices [24.688] (==) Automatically enabling devices [24.688] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices [25.445] (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist. [25.445]Entry deleted from font path. [25.445] (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/ does not exist. [25.445]Entry deleted from font path. [25.445] (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/ does not exist. [25.445]Entry deleted from font path. [25.471] (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi does not exist. [25.471]Entry deleted from font path. [25.471] (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi does not exist. [25.471]Entry deleted from font path. [25.471] (==) FontPath set to: /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1, built-ins [25.471] (==) ModulePath set to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules [25.471] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices. [25.494] (II) Loader magic: 0x7f0af8cb6c20 [25.494] (II) Module ABI versions: [25.494]X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 [25.494]X.Org Video Driver: 15.0 [25.494]X.Org XInput driver : 20.0 [25.494]X.Org Server Extension : 8.0 [25.494] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card1) [25.494] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0) [25.495] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:0416:1025:0781 rev 6, Mem @ 0xd300/4194304, 0xc000/268435456, I/O @ 0x5000/64 [25.495] (--) PCI: (0:1:0:0) 10de:0fe4:1025:0781 rev 161, Mem @ 0xd200/16777216, 0xa000/268435456, 0xb000/33554432, I/O @ 0x4000/128, BIOS @ 0x/524288 [25.540] Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension [25.540] Initializing built-in extension SHAPE [25.540] Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM [25.540] Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension [25.540] Initializing built-in extension XTEST [25.540] Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS [25.540] Initializing built-in extension SYNC [25.540] Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD [25.540] Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC [25.540]
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:23:03 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going there would be a lot better than with Squeeze. Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are usually called nvidia-xxx, then do apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same for Wheezy. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx The xxx should be replaced by the major version number you are using. Try dpkg -l | grep nvidia to see what packages are installed, then use apt-cache policy to determine the full version of the one that is installed. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ dpkg -l | grep nvidia ii nvidia-331 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library ii nvidia-331-updates 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library ii nvidia-common 1:0.2.44.2 Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers ii nvidia-prime0.5~hybrid0.0.3 Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime ii nvidia-settings 331.20-0ubuntu0.0.1 Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy I apologise - I appear to have lost the plot and simply got too confused. I think this is what was sought; bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-331 nvidia-331: Installed: 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 Candidate: 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 Version table: *** 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 0 500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/restricted amd64 Packages 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status And from Debian 6; root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# dpkg -l | grep nvidia rc nvidia-glx 195.36.31-6squeeze2 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver rc nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 195.36.31+4+6squeeze2+2.6.32-45 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# apt-cache policy Similarly, obtaining and sending that, was apparently erroneous, with what I believe was sought, was instead thus; root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# apt-cache policy nvidia-195 N: Unable to locate package nvidia-195 root@bret-av3-772g-deb6:~# apt-cache policy nvidia-195.36.31 N: Unable to locate package nvidia-195.36.31 N: Couldn't find any package by regex 'nvidia-195.36.31' I apologise again - I appear to have got too confused. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8NDRH=S1hEhtvPZSykLQ=ztu7trjcetvvt2verupze...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 06/19/2015 12:15 AM, Bret Busby wrote: On 19/06/2015, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/18/2015 03:25 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: There are, however, no hits on bumblebee for squeeze at all, so it won't help in this case. Maybe you could try to build it from source? At this point that may be your only chance. If only you could do that with the drivers... It might also be that it is (maybe for one of the reasons I listed in my previous mail) incompatible with Squeeze. I just don't know, sorry. I see the same thing, https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#From_repository It doesn't appear to be available for sqeeze. I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. Check and see if you have the tool 'intel-virtual-output' installed. This is included in 'xf86-video-intel' = v2.99, aprox date released is 22/Dec/2014 Running 'intel-virtual-output' without any extra parameters will daemonize itself and detect attached displays in the background. It will then perform all the trickery of virtualizing and cloning so that the newly attached screen can be used via conventional screen management methods, such as cloning/extending with xrandr. https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/Multi-monitor-setup Good luck! I almost went blind reading this, but my Anti-Peril glasses kicked in. If you can figure out something from all of those notes, I'll nominate you custodian of all things related to Bumblebee. Note: you will still have to futz with xrandr for the auto-magically configured extra display to kick in. Or, the computer will wait longer than you for you to do something. They always win a staring match. cackles Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5583b106.3080...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:23:03 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. At least Wheezy is a lot more up to date than Squeeze, with newer kernel and X. I'd say your odds of getting the second screen going there would be a lot better than with Squeeze. Since it's working on your Ubuntu installation, can you determine which version of the driver that has installed? The packages are usually called nvidia-xxx, then do apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx on the one that is installed to see the exact version. Do the same for Wheezy. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy nvidia-xxx N: Unable to locate package nvidia-xxx The xxx should be replaced by the major version number you are using. Try dpkg -l | grep nvidia to see what packages are installed, then use apt-cache policy to determine the full version of the one that is installed. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ dpkg -l | grep nvidia ii nvidia-331 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library ii nvidia-331-updates 331.113-0ubuntu0.0.0.3 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library ii nvidia-common 1:0.2.44.2 Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers ii nvidia-prime0.5~hybrid0.0.3 Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime ii nvidia-settings 331.20-0ubuntu0.0.1 Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ apt-cache policy Package files: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now 500 http://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable/non-free i386 Packages release o=Opera Software ASA,a=stable,n=stable,l=The Opera web browser,c=non-free origin deb.opera.com 500 http://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable/non-free amd64 Packages release o=Opera Software ASA,a=stable,n=stable,l=The Opera web browser,c=non-free origin deb.opera.com 500 http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages release v=12.04,o=LP-PPA-app-review-board,a=precise,n=precise,l=Application Review Board PPA,c=main origin extras.ubuntu.com 500 http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages release v=12.04,o=LP-PPA-app-review-board,a=precise,n=precise,l=Application Review Board PPA,c=main origin extras.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe Translation-en 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted Translation-en 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse Translation-en 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main Translation-en 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse i386 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=multiverse origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe i386 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=universe origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted i386 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=restricted origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main i386 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=main origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/multiverse amd64 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=multiverse origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/universe amd64 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=universe origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted amd64 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=restricted origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main amd64 Packages release v=12.04,o=Ubuntu,a=precise-security,n=precise,l=Ubuntu,c=main origin security.ubuntu.com 500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-backports/universe Translation-en 500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-backports/restricted Translation-en 500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-backports/multiverse Translation-en 500
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. On Debian 6; :~# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080 default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1920x1080 0.0* And on Debian 7; :~# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080 default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1920x1080 0.0* -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8o6epncu68jeoqdh2avzxqcxqvq5uumwc6_jqluvxp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 2015-06-19, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: Check and see if you have the tool 'intel-virtual-output' installed. This is included in 'xf86-video-intel' = v2.99, aprox date released is 22/Dec/2014 xf86-video-intel doesn't appear to be a Debian package. I can only find it here: http://www.x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmo7m8b.1tr.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: Copies of Xorg.0.log (on both Wheezy and Ubuntu) would also be helpful, just to see what your system detects, and how they differ. -Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ cat Xorg.0.log cat: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory If you read the top of my previous post you would have seen the full path to that file. Sorry - I had read the whole of the post, and had tried to respond to it in modularised progressive steps, and when I got down to that part, I had forgotten the content of the first paragraph. See below for Ubuntu 12.04 I have attached a copy of the file from the Debian 6 installation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Debian Current Operating System: Linux bret-av3-772g-deb6 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jun 17 16:09:06 UTC 2015 x86_64 Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=7bdcb7bd-53ac-4902-89b4-7bba86a03430 ro quiet nomodeset Build Date: 01 May 2015 10:02:25AM xorg-server 2:1.7.7-18+deb6u3 (Mike Gabriel sunwea...@debian.org) Current version of pixman: 0.16.4 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Fri Jun 19 17:40:55 2015 (==) Using system config directory /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. (==) No screen section available. Using defaults. (**) |--Screen Default Screen Section (0) (**) | |--Monitor default monitor (==) No monitor specified for screen Default Screen Section. Using a default monitor configuration. (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (==) FontPath set to: /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1, /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, built-ins (==) ModulePath set to /usr/lib/xorg/modules (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices. (II) Loader magic: 0x7c8bc0 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 6.0 X.Org XInput driver : 7.0 X.Org Server Extension : 2.0 (++) using VT number 7 (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:0416:1025:0781 Intel Corporation rev 6, Mem @ 0xd300/4194304, 0xc000/268435456, I/O @ 0x5000/64 (--) PCI: (0:1:0:0) 10de:0fe4:1025:0781 nVidia Corporation rev 161, Mem @ 0xd200/16777216, 0xa000/268435456, 0xb000/33554432, I/O @ 0x4000/128, BIOS @ 0x/524288 (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket) (II) LoadModule: extmod (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so (II) Module extmod: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension SELinux (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) Loading extension X-Resource (II) LoadModule: dbe (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so (II) Module dbe: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: glx (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 346.72 Tue May 5 17:11:15 PDT 2015 (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: record (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so (II) Module record: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.13.0
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:15:59 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. How do you determine that it doesn't detect the monitor? You can read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's easier to just run xrandr (when both screens are connected) and see what it detects. If xrandr is able to detect both outputs it should just be a matter of configuration, if not then that would suggest a problem with the driver. On Debian 6; :~# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080 default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1920x1080 0.0* And on Debian 7; :~# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080 default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1920x1080 0.0* On Ubuntu 12.04; bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-Ubuntu-12-04LTS:~$ xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 32767 x 32767 eDP1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 1920x1080 60.0 + 59.9 1680x1050 60.0 59.9 1600x1024 60.2 1400x1050 60.0 1280x1024 60.0 1440x900 59.9 1280x960 60.0 1360x768 59.8 60.0 1152x864 60.0 1024x768 60.0 800x60060.3 56.2 640x48059.9 VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) HDMI1 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 510mm x 287mm 1920x1080 60.0*+ 50.0 59.9 1920x1080i 60.1 50.0 60.0 1280x1024 75.0 60.0 1152x864 75.0 1280x720 60.0 50.0 59.9 1440x576i 50.1 1024x768 75.1 60.0 1440x480i 60.1 60.1 800x60075.0 60.3 720x57650.0 720x48060.0 59.9 640x48075.0 60.0 59.9 720x40070.1 VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8oc7xghmjjgkkmbzfkqguh4ygww7w0amfeaumhydyx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2015-06-19, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry - I had read the whole of the post, and had tried to respond to it in modularised progressive steps, and when I got down to that part, I had forgotten the content of the first paragraph. Didn't we already go through this once with you in a long, protracted, confused and confusing thread, the exact same issue, not too long ago? As I have, I believe, previously mentioned, I have been trying for about two years, now, to get Debian working on this computer, so that it can work with the external monitor. The status of Debian Linux, with the computer, is that it is partly functional, like some printers are apparently partly functional with Linux. Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is released and decreed stable, development of that version and its packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned, and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed stable, and released. And so,I have been trying for about two years, to get Debian Linux workiing on this computer, to the extent that it can, like Ubuntu 12.04, drive the external monitor, and transfer the display completely, to the external monitor, when the external monitor is connected. And, I have not yet, been able to achieve that. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8odcwwhgcrkgh5u-kjzh6grem6wceoztynlftsro9w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 17:50:17 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I have attached a copy of the file from the Debian 6 installation. It's not loading neither the nouveau nor the nvidia driver, is one of them correctly installed, and is the kernel module loaded? As previously mentioned, in following advice previously given, as the nvidia packages were not working to drive the external monitor, the nvidia packages were removed, and installation of other various solutions, including bumblebee, then intel drivers (I believe due to the presence of an Intel inboard HD device in addition to the nvidia device), were attempted. Rebooting was done after each of removing and installing graphics driver package sets. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8PJk1PEAxX=W27G44HrdFBy2UrVQy1z9-dHoH-oOzr=a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote: Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is released and decreed stable, development of that version and its packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned, and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed stable, and released. If you don't like it, don't use it. No-one is making you. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506191723.18698.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
Hi. On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 23:54:12 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: As I have, I believe, previously mentioned, I have been trying for about two years, now, to get Debian working on this computer, so that it can work with the external monitor. The status of Debian Linux, with the computer, is that it is partly functional, like some printers are apparently partly functional with Linux. Tough luck. I can recall multiple instances of hardware where Linux did not boot at all. If that particular hardware does not do whatever you need from it - maybe it's time to get a different video card? Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is released and decreed stable, development of that version and its packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned, and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed stable, and released. You've just quoted the definition of stable. Us, users of stable, like it exactly the way it is. But - nobody is forcing to use it. Don't like stable? Use testing. Or sid. And so,I have been trying for about two years, to get Debian Linux workiing on this computer, to the extent that it can, like Ubuntu 12.04, drive the external monitor, and transfer the display completely, to the external monitor, when the external monitor is connected. And, I have not yet, been able to achieve that. And then again - if Ubuntu satisfies your needs, why suffer with Debian oldstable? Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150619193415.07e3bb5ac8a1142d8777f...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 2015-06-19, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't we already go through this once with you in a long, protracted, confused and confusing thread, the exact same issue, not too long ago? As I have, I believe, previously mentioned, I have been trying for about two years, now, to get Debian working on this computer, so that it can work with the external monitor. The status of Debian Linux, with the computer, is that it is partly functional, like some printers are apparently partly functional with Linux. The status of Debian Squeeze, you mean. As far as I know your new-fangled graphical doohickey is not supported by Debian Squeeze. The latter is no longer evolving; it is in a security-support stasis which precedes mummification. Backports appears to be of little help in your case either. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmo8jlm.2rs.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 20/06/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: And then again - if Ubuntu satisfies your needs, why suffer with Debian oldstable? As should be shown by examining the full headers of this and other messages not explicitly sent from the Debian installations, I am using Ubuntu 12.04, except where necessary for attempts to get the Debian installations working. I would rather use Debian 6, as it has the superior interface, to the later Debian versions, and to Ubuntu, but, to use Debian 6, I have to use a lesser computer. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8N_9KrmUOTqFgNqDmEC3YXDtXSoa2FMkBxw=pd79fy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 20/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote: Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is released and decreed stable, development of that version and its packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned, and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed stable, and released. If you don't like it, don't use it. No-one is making you. And that is the attitude of software developers, that some software engineering lecturers who are worth their salt, warn against, as it leads to the disrepute of the IT industry. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8o5eyv3mmref1w49oe-jnzhzbws7vbm5j-0qvn-v-b...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
Hi. On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 01:45:42 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/06/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: And then again - if Ubuntu satisfies your needs, why suffer with Debian oldstable? As should be shown by examining the full headers of this and other messages not explicitly sent from the Debian installations, I am using Ubuntu 12.04, except where necessary for attempts to get the Debian installations working. I did not meant any offense, sorry just in case. BTW which particular header do you have in mind? Because whatever MUA you're using does not supply X-Mailer header. And judging by the lowest 'Received', this e-mail I'm replying to was send via GMail web interface. I would rather use Debian 6, as it has the superior interface, to the later Debian versions, and to Ubuntu, but, to use Debian 6, I have to use a lesser computer. Ah, I get it now. So, layman's terms put aside, you like to use GNOME2 and not GNOME3. And that Ubuntu's Unity is just not your cup of tea. Well, they don't argue about tastes, as they say. Ever tried this Mate thing? Same GNOME2, only it's supported (as of wheezy and jessie) and every program is called funny. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150619210742.67f8bd287a51a80ba7f86...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 20/06/2015, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2015-06-19, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't we already go through this once with you in a long, protracted, confused and confusing thread, the exact same issue, not too long ago? As I have, I believe, previously mentioned, I have been trying for about two years, now, to get Debian working on this computer, so that it can work with the external monitor. The status of Debian Linux, with the computer, is that it is partly functional, like some printers are apparently partly functional with Linux. The status of Debian Squeeze, you mean. As has has been previously mentioned, it applies equally with Debian 7. I had been trying for most of the last couple of years, to get it working with Debian 7. Because Debian 6 worked with another laptop of the same brand, with an nvidia geforce gt device, I tried that on this computer. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8Nd=38nWW_a=ti21eh2zqbboetqm6zxbose_cmy_fz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
Hi. On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 19:31:56 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 June 2015 18:49:38 Bret Busby wrote: On 20/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote: Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is released and decreed stable, development of that version and its packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned, and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed stable, and released. If you don't like it, don't use it. No-one is making you. And that is the attitude of software developers, that some software engineering lecturers who are worth their salt, warn against, as it leads to the disrepute of the IT industry. Nonsense. It is impossible to produce an OS that everybody likes. Most people like Windows after all. I disagree. While most people use Windows, it may not involve liking. Most of the either don't care, or don't have a choice. And given such, they might use Macs or Linux as well. Use something you like. Don't complain about something that many of us love and expect it to be changed just to suit you. IMO complaining is perfectly fine *as long* as it comes with constructive criticism. I agree that complaining for the sake of it is annoying :) There is enough choice out there, after all. Have you tried Ubuntu with Mate? Or, better yet, Debian with Mate. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150619214011.ee112c6a375653e58c8ca...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Friday 19 June 2015 18:49:38 Bret Busby wrote: On 20/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote: Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is released and decreed stable, development of that version and its packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned, and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed stable, and released. If you don't like it, don't use it. No-one is making you. And that is the attitude of software developers, that some software engineering lecturers who are worth their salt, warn against, as it leads to the disrepute of the IT industry. Nonsense. It is impossible to produce an OS that everybody likes. Most people like Windows after all. Use something you like. Don't complain about something that many of us love and expect it to be changed just to suit you. There is enough choice out there, after all. Have you tried Ubuntu with Mate? It sounds as though that might be quite close to something you like. But find something you like and stop complaining that Debian Stable is stable. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506191931.56916.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Friday 19 June 2015 19:40:11 Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 19:31:56 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 June 2015 18:49:38 Bret Busby wrote: On 20/06/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 June 2015 16:54:12 Bret Busby wrote: Unfortunately, it appears that once a version of Debian Linux is released and decreed stable, development of that version and its packages, ceases, and it goes into maintenance mode, so that only bugfixes and security vulnerabilities, are performed, if they are deemed serious enough, and, for the packages that are not abandoned, and, development of the version and its packages, is abandoned, like when I once worked at a pulp and paper mill, which used to close down production for three days every christmas, with only repairs and maintenance and cleaning being done, except here, the shutdown of production, becomes permanent, and maintenance mode takes over (for as long as the maintenance is performed), once a version is decreed stable, and released. If you don't like it, don't use it. No-one is making you. And that is the attitude of software developers, that some software engineering lecturers who are worth their salt, warn against, as it leads to the disrepute of the IT industry. Nonsense. It is impossible to produce an OS that everybody likes. Most people like Windows after all. I disagree. While most people use Windows, it may not involve liking. Most of the either don't care, or don't have a choice. And given such, they might use Macs or Linux as well. Use something you like. Don't complain about something that many of us love and expect it to be changed just to suit you. IMO complaining is perfectly fine *as long* as it comes with constructive criticism. I agree that complaining for the sake of it is annoying :) There is enough choice out there, after all. Have you tried Ubuntu with Mate? Or, better yet, Debian with Mate. No, it wouldn't solve the problem. He can get Ubuntu going to his satisfaction, but he cannot get Debian going to his satisfaction. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506191951.37207.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 19/06/2015, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/18/2015 03:25 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: There are, however, no hits on bumblebee for squeeze at all, so it won't help in this case. Maybe you could try to build it from source? At this point that may be your only chance. If only you could do that with the drivers... It might also be that it is (maybe for one of the reasons I listed in my previous mail) incompatible with Squeeze. I just don't know, sorry. I see the same thing, https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#From_repository It doesn't appear to be available for sqeeze. I note also, that I used synaptic to remove all the nvidia stuff, from the Debian 7 installation, and I removed the bumblebee stuff from that installation, and reinstalled bumblebee on that installation, and the Debian 7 installation also still does not detect the external monitor. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8o8+prhxva8z4lgpegx3wocpfoioofh4jq-+s17gey...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 06/18/2015 03:25 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: There are, however, no hits on bumblebee for squeeze at all, so it won't help in this case. Maybe you could try to build it from source? At this point that may be your only chance. If only you could do that with the drivers... It might also be that it is (maybe for one of the reasons I listed in my previous mail) incompatible with Squeeze. I just don't know, sorry. I see the same thing, https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#From_repository It doesn't appear to be available for sqeeze. -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/558309b4.1000...@gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On 18/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: snip As to your problem with bumblebee, I think Optimus support is something that is fairly recent, and might well have come after Squeeze. Maybe you will find it in backports? A problem is that, and, I am not sure whether I indicated this in a previous post with commands responses output, as the sources.list file content showed, I had included the backports text line, and, commented it out, in the sources.list file, # deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian squeeze-backports main contrib non-free as, with that line operational in the sources.list file, apt consistently returned a Not Found type error, for the backports path. The backports path is as cited on one of the web pages with instructions for installing bumblebee. I am not sure, but I think that backports for squeeze, may have been eliminated, as part of the LTS process. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8MpHASQLQQWR6Z0QdWprJX_wFxPQD3TYaqKK58h=sz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:07:47 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/06/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: snip As to your problem with bumblebee, I think Optimus support is something that is fairly recent, and might well have come after Squeeze. Maybe you will find it in backports? A problem is that, and, I am not sure whether I indicated this in a previous post with commands responses output, as the sources.list file content showed, I had included the backports text line, and, commented it out, in the sources.list file, # deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian squeeze-backports main contrib non-free as, with that line operational in the sources.list file, apt consistently returned a Not Found type error, for the backports path. The backports path is as cited on one of the web pages with instructions for installing bumblebee. I am not sure, but I think that backports for squeeze, may have been eliminated, as part of the LTS process. Go to https://packages.debian.org , and you can search for packages. At the very top of the page, you can limit your search to a particular suite or architecture, and squeeze-backports is listed there. So it should exist. Maybe it doesn't exist on the mirror you are redirected to, try a few specific ones. There are, however, no hits on bumblebee for squeeze at all, so it won't help in this case. Maybe you could try to build it from source? At this point that may be your only chance. If only you could do that with the drivers... It might also be that it is (maybe for one of the reasons I listed in my previous mail) incompatible with Squeeze. I just don't know, sorry. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpf4xVQVFswN.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Still unable to get external monitor wotking on Debian 6 - was Re: Unable to install nVidia driver on Debian 6 LTS - was - Re: How to boot without GUI
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:54:51 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/06/2015, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/15/2015 12:39 PM, Bret Busby wrote: Get:1 http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze/non-free nvidia-kernel-dkms amd64 195.36.31-6squeeze2 [7,138 kB] Fetched 7,138 kB in 12s (575 kB/s) Selecting previously deselected package nvidia-kernel-dkms. (Reading database ... 152853 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking nvidia-kernel-dkms (from .../nvidia-kernel-dkms_195.36.31-6squeeze2_amd64.deb) ... Setting up nvidia-kernel-dkms (195.36.31-6squeeze2) ... Loading new nvidia-195.36.31 DKMS files... First Installation: checking all kernels... Building only for 2.6.32-5-amd64 Building initial module for 2.6.32-5-amd64 As I said, you are installing bits of nvidia 195 driver series. It's right there in your frigging log. swears bluely That's for REAL OLD nvidia cards. You have a mess. Jerk it all out. Fire up synaptic, search on nvidia, check on what you currently have installed and remove it all, with great prejudice, fear and loathing. Okay. Done that - Mark(ed) for complete removal. Your machine is somehow sullied and the only cure with be to drag it all out of the pot like a screaming ?Mandrake Root at Hogwarts. Then, follow the advice I laboriously pointed to and figure out how the bumblebee scheme rocks your world. My GUESS is that it will install whatever it depends on. It is in the repo, if you have non-free kicked on. Just be sure to have everything else related to nvidia ripped out, as you have this hybrid from hell, that should work a treat if the technology will play nice. So, I would think that just apt-get install bumblebee will work. :~# apt-get install bumblebee Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package bumblebee :~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.7 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20130223-14:06]/ squeeze main # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.7 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20130223-14:06]/ squeeze main # deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main # deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main # deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main # deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze main contrib non-free deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free # deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian squeeze-backports main contrib non-free And Debian 6 still cannot find the external monitor. A thought - since Ubuntu 12.04 successfully installed the nvVidia driver 3.31, how do I find, download, and install a .deb package within the Ubuntu repository? Please don't do that. You will probably open up a huge can of worms that way. The Ubuntu packages will probably not work, or at least not work well, on Squeeze. The binary drivers depend on certain versions of X and the kernel, and I strongly doubt that these will be the same between Squeeze and Ubuntu 12.04. These drivers are an excellent way to hose things if not done correctly, so using a version that isn't intended for your OS is not the right approach. I wish I didn't have to say this, but: it might simply be that Squeeze is too old to support this card if it is fairly recent. There might not exist drivers for your GPU that will work with the versions of X and the kernel available in Squeeze. As to your problem with bumblebee, I think Optimus support is something that is fairly recent, and might well have come after Squeeze. Maybe you will find it in backports? Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpzfKXhZE_LT.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
