Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
>>> I am not sure where you are looking to take the commons chain project, but >>> you may be interested >>> in some code that meltmedia has open sourced. The project is called xchain >>> and it fuses the >>> Commons JXPath project with Commons Chain to be used as a web framework. >>> You can find the code up >>> on GitHub. This is a dump of the head of our repository, so unfortunately >>> it >>> does not contain history or much documentation. >>> >>> Project on GitHub: https://github.com/ctrimble/xchain >>> Core Package: >>> https://github.com/ctrimble/xchain/tree/master/core/src/main/java/org/xchain >>> >>> If anyone is interested in this code, let me know and I will put some >>> effort into the documentation. >>> >>> -Christian >>> -- >>> Christian Trimble >>> Software Architect >>> meltmedia.com | @meltmedia | @xiantrimble >>> c: 480.430.2854 | w: 602.340.9440 >>> -- >>> meltmedia >>> We are Interactive Superheroes >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 15, 2013, at 5:53 AM, Steve Westwood wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Simone, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the response; >>>> >>>> My first thought on commons-chain relate to the other 2.0 issues apart from >>>> CHAIN-76 that have been delivered (which is a lot I notice - >>>> congratulations on >>>> getting to this point!). Are the changes in your view stable and do they >>>> need >>>> further tests/samples to ensure all is good (I haven't looked at test >>>> coverage >>>> yet). I notice cookbook sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need to >>>> provide >>>> more (plus amend documentation) to provide certainty going forward? I >>>> guess my >>>> thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a 2.0 or 2.1 issue. >>>> I have >>>> no strong view on this although a move away from XML-centric configuration >>>> is >>>> certainly desirable. >>>> >>>> For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 over >>>> the >>>> weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need to refresh my >>>> memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I like to think I can >>>> get up >>>> to speed fairly quickly here. >>>> >>>> Thanks again, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> >>>> From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf >>>> Of >>>> Simone Tripodi >>>> >>>> Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 >>>> >>>> To: Commons Developers List; Steve Westwood >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Steve, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on Chain! :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is CHAIN-76[1] >>>> where >>>> some work has already been done but far to be completed. >>>> >>>> If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved >>>> >>>> - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope to read from you soon! >>>> >>>> All the best! >>>> >>>> -Simo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [1]<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CHAIN-76> >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/><http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/><http://twitter.com/simonetripodi><http://www.99soft.org/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Steve Westwood >>>> >>> <mailto:steve.westw...@hexsaw.org.uk> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wanted to get a sense of what (if anything) is planned for >>>> >>>>> commons-chain. I used this in some years ago, and for various reasons >>>> >>>>> I now find myself returning to it. In examining the SVN trunk things have >>>>> not >>>>> stood still: >>>> >>>>> - Discussions (and subsequent work) in 2011 to accommodate work as a >>>> >>>>> precursor to a chains2 from of CHAIN-53 >>>> >>>>> - A fair bit of rework to accommodate Generics/Java 5 support >>>> >>>>> - DSL like capability introduced >>>> >>>>> - Refactoring >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Of course, the last release was 2008 (1.2), hence is 2.0 imminent, or >>>> >>>>> are there other issues that require addressing prior to its roll-out? >>>> >>>>> I have looked at JIRA, and I am aware of some debates via this list >>>> >>>>> back in 2009 regarding the incorporation of aspects of Robust-Task >>>> >>>>> from Min Cha (this has morphed into Whitetask - see >>>> >>>>> <https://code.google.com/p/whitetask/> ). In addition I note guice/spring >>>>> integration has been raised in some form. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Hence what are the next steps for commons-chain? I am more than happy >>>> >>>>> to get involved with this. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Steve Westwood >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>> <mailto:dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org> >>>> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>> <mailto:dev-h...@commons.apache.org> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
is good (I haven't looked at test >>> coverage >>> yet). I notice cookbook sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need to provide >>> more (plus amend documentation) to provide certainty going forward? I >>> guess my >>> thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a 2.0 or 2.1 issue. I >>> have >>> no strong view on this although a move away from XML-centric configuration >>> is >>> certainly desirable. >>> >>> For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 over the >>> weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need to refresh my >>> memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I like to think I can get >>> up >>> to speed fairly quickly here. >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> >>> From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf >>> Of >>> Simone Tripodi >>> >>> Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 >>> >>> To: Commons Developers List; Steve Westwood >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> >>> >>> very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on Chain! :) >>> >>> >>> >>> So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is CHAIN-76[1] >>> where >>> some work has already been done but far to be completed. >>> >>> If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved >>> >>> - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope to read from you soon! >>> >>> All the best! >>> >>> -Simo >>> >>> >>> >>> [1]<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CHAIN-76> >>> >>> >>> <http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/><http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/><http://twitter.com/simonetripodi><http://www.99soft.org/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Steve Westwood >>> >> <mailto:steve.westw...@hexsaw.org.uk> > wrote: >>> >>>> I wanted to get a sense of what (if anything) is planned for >>> >>>> commons-chain. I used this in some years ago, and for various reasons >>> >>>> I now find myself returning to it. In examining the SVN trunk things have >>>> not >>>> stood still: >>> >>>> - Discussions (and subsequent work) in 2011 to accommodate work as a >>> >>>> precursor to a chains2 from of CHAIN-53 >>> >>>> - A fair bit of rework to accommodate Generics/Java 5 support >>> >>>> - DSL like capability introduced >>> >>>> - Refactoring >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Of course, the last release was 2008 (1.2), hence is 2.0 imminent, or >>> >>>> are there other issues that require addressing prior to its roll-out? >>> >>>> I have looked at JIRA, and I am aware of some debates via this list >>> >>>> back in 2009 regarding the incorporation of aspects of Robust-Task >>> >>>> from Min Cha (this has morphed into Whitetask - see >>> >>>> <https://code.google.com/p/whitetask/> ). In addition I note guice/spring >>>> integration has been raised in some form. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hence what are the next steps for commons-chain? I am more than happy >>> >>>> to get involved with this. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Steve Westwood >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>> <mailto:dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org> >>> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>> <mailto:dev-h...@commons.apache.org> >>> >>> >>> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hi Christian, thanks a lot for sharing those info, much more than appreciated! In commons-chain 2.0 we are basically trying to revamp the old chain 1.X, providing the same features, but keeping in mind a bottom-up approach (people are interested on using chain even outside the web context), strong modularization (no more god-jar containing everything), support of generics, new EDSL APIs, versatile configuration (XML, JSON, ...) and web support (Servlet/Portlet). I'd like to invite you to have a look at current /trunk and encourage to contribute back to commons - you would be much more than welcomed! :) Have a nice day, all the best! -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Christian T Trimble wrote: > Hello, > > I am not sure where you are looking to take the commons chain project, but > you may be interested > in some code that meltmedia has open sourced. The project is called xchain > and it fuses the > Commons JXPath project with Commons Chain to be used as a web framework. You > can find the code up > on GitHub. This is a dump of the head of our repository, so unfortunately it > does not contain history or much documentation. > > Project on GitHub: https://github.com/ctrimble/xchain > Core Package: > https://github.com/ctrimble/xchain/tree/master/core/src/main/java/org/xchain > > If anyone is interested in this code, let me know and I will put some > effort into the documentation. > > -Christian > -- > Christian Trimble > Software Architect > meltmedia.com | @meltmedia | @xiantrimble > c: 480.430.2854 | w: 602.340.9440 > -- > meltmedia > We are Interactive Superheroes > > > > On Mar 15, 2013, at 5:53 AM, Steve Westwood wrote: > >> Hi Simone, >> >> Thanks for the response; >> >> My first thought on commons-chain relate to the other 2.0 issues apart from >> CHAIN-76 that have been delivered (which is a lot I notice - congratulations >> on >> getting to this point!). Are the changes in your view stable and do they need >> further tests/samples to ensure all is good (I haven't looked at test >> coverage >> yet). I notice cookbook sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need to provide >> more (plus amend documentation) to provide certainty going forward? I guess >> my >> thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a 2.0 or 2.1 issue. I >> have >> no strong view on this although a move away from XML-centric configuration is >> certainly desirable. >> >> For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 over the >> weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need to refresh my >> memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I like to think I can get >> up >> to speed fairly quickly here. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of >> Simone Tripodi >> >> Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 >> >> To: Commons Developers List; Steve Westwood >> >> Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? >> >> >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> >> >> very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on Chain! :) >> >> >> >> So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is CHAIN-76[1] >> where >> some work has already been done but far to be completed. >> >> If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved >> >> - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) >> >> >> >> I hope to read from you soon! >> >> All the best! >> >> -Simo >> >> >> >> [1]<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CHAIN-76> >> >> >> <http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/><http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/><http://twitter.com/simonetripodi><http://www.99soft.org/> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Steve Westwood > <mailto:steve.westw...@hexsaw.org.uk> > wrote: >> >>> I wanted to get a sense of what (if anything) is planned for >> >>> commons-chain. I used this in some years ago, and for various reasons >> >>> I now find myself returning to it. In examining the SVN trunk things have >>> not >>> stood still: >> >>> - Discussions (and subsequent work) in 2011 to accommodate work as a >> &g
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hi Christian, Simone and others are better placed to comment on this. I will certainly take a look at the repo, but are you able to provide a brief summary of the differences between this and common-chains? Regards, Steve > On 20 March 2013 at 19:22 Christian T Trimble > wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am not sure where you are looking to take the commons chain project, but you > may be interested > in some code that meltmedia has open sourced. The project is called xchain and > it fuses the > Commons JXPath project with Commons Chain to be used as a web framework. You > can find the code up > on GitHub. This is a dump of the head of our repository, so unfortunately it > does not contain history or much documentation. > > Project on GitHub: https://github.com/ctrimble/xchain > Core Package: > https://github.com/ctrimble/xchain/tree/master/core/src/main/java/org/xchain > > If anyone is interested in this code, let me know and I will put some effort > into the documentation. > > -Christian > -- > Christian Trimble > Software Architect > meltmedia.com | @meltmedia | @xiantrimble > c: 480.430.2854 | w: 602.340.9440 > -- > meltmedia > We are Interactive Superheroes > > > > On Mar 15, 2013, at 5:53 AM, Steve Westwood wrote: > > > Hi Simone, > > > > Thanks for the response; > > > > My first thought on commons-chain relate to the other 2.0 issues apart from > > CHAIN-76 that have been delivered (which is a lot I notice - congratulations > > on > > getting to this point!). Are the changes in your view stable and do they > > need > > further tests/samples to ensure all is good (I haven't looked at test > > coverage > > yet). I notice cookbook sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need to provide > > more (plus amend documentation) to provide certainty going forward? I guess > > my > > thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a 2.0 or 2.1 issue. I > > have > > no strong view on this although a move away from XML-centric configuration > > is > > certainly desirable. > > > > For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 over the > > weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need to refresh my > > memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I like to think I can get > > up > > to speed fairly quickly here. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Steve > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf > > Of > > Simone Tripodi > > > > Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 > > > > To: Commons Developers List; Steve Westwood > > > > Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? > > > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > > > very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on Chain! :) > > > > > > > > So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is CHAIN-76[1] > > where > > some work has already been done but far to be completed. > > > > If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved > > > > - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) > > > > > > > > I hope to read from you soon! > > > > All the best! > > > > -Simo > > > > > > > > [1]<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CHAIN-76> > > > > > > <http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/><http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/><http://twitter.com/simonetripodi><http://www.99soft.org/> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Steve Westwood > > > <mailto:steve.westw...@hexsaw.org.uk> > wrote: > > > >> I wanted to get a sense of what (if anything) is planned for > > > >> commons-chain. I used this in some years ago, and for various reasons > > > >> I now find myself returning to it. In examining the SVN trunk things have > >> not > >> stood still: > > > >> - Discussions (and subsequent work) in 2011 to accommodate work as a > > > >> precursor to a chains2 from of CHAIN-53 > > > >> - A fair bit of rework to accommodate Generics/Java 5 support > > > >> - DSL like capability introduced > > > >> - Refactoring > > > >> > > > >> Of course, the last release was 2008 (1.2), hence is 2.0 imminent, or > > > >> are there other issues that require addressing prior to its r
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hello, I am not sure where you are looking to take the commons chain project, but you may be interested in some code that meltmedia has open sourced. The project is called xchain and it fuses the Commons JXPath project with Commons Chain to be used as a web framework. You can find the code up on GitHub. This is a dump of the head of our repository, so unfortunately it does not contain history or much documentation. Project on GitHub: https://github.com/ctrimble/xchain Core Package: https://github.com/ctrimble/xchain/tree/master/core/src/main/java/org/xchain If anyone is interested in this code, let me know and I will put some effort into the documentation. -Christian -- Christian Trimble Software Architect meltmedia.com | @meltmedia | @xiantrimble c: 480.430.2854 | w: 602.340.9440 -- meltmedia We are Interactive Superheroes On Mar 15, 2013, at 5:53 AM, Steve Westwood wrote: > Hi Simone, > > Thanks for the response; > > My first thought on commons-chain relate to the other 2.0 issues apart from > CHAIN-76 that have been delivered (which is a lot I notice - congratulations > on > getting to this point!). Are the changes in your view stable and do they need > further tests/samples to ensure all is good (I haven't looked at test coverage > yet). I notice cookbook sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need to provide > more (plus amend documentation) to provide certainty going forward? I guess > my > thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a 2.0 or 2.1 issue. I > have > no strong view on this although a move away from XML-centric configuration is > certainly desirable. > > For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 over the > weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need to refresh my > memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I like to think I can get up > to speed fairly quickly here. > > Thanks again, > > Steve > > -Original Message- > > From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Simone Tripodi > > Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 > > To: Commons Developers List; Steve Westwood > > Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on Chain! :) > > > > So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is CHAIN-76[1] > where > some work has already been done but far to be completed. > > If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved > > - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) > > > > I hope to read from you soon! > > All the best! > > -Simo > > > > [1]<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CHAIN-76> > > > <http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/><http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/><http://twitter.com/simonetripodi><http://www.99soft.org/> > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Steve Westwood <mailto:steve.westw...@hexsaw.org.uk> > wrote: > >> I wanted to get a sense of what (if anything) is planned for > >> commons-chain. I used this in some years ago, and for various reasons > >> I now find myself returning to it. In examining the SVN trunk things have not >> stood still: > >> - Discussions (and subsequent work) in 2011 to accommodate work as a > >> precursor to a chains2 from of CHAIN-53 > >> - A fair bit of rework to accommodate Generics/Java 5 support > >> - DSL like capability introduced > >> - Refactoring > >> > >> Of course, the last release was 2008 (1.2), hence is 2.0 imminent, or > >> are there other issues that require addressing prior to its roll-out? > >> I have looked at JIRA, and I am aware of some debates via this list > >> back in 2009 regarding the incorporation of aspects of Robust-Task > >> from Min Cha (this has morphed into Whitetask - see > >> <https://code.google.com/p/whitetask/> ). In addition I note guice/spring >> integration has been raised in some form. > >> > >> Hence what are the next steps for commons-chain? I am more than happy > >> to get involved with this. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Steve Westwood > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > <mailto:dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > <mailto:dev-h...@commons.apache.org> > > >
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hi Bene, >> I have to dig in the ML to find the discussion, anyway IIRC the >> CatalogFactory has been designed to be integrated in the XML/textual >> configuration, mixing a lot of pattern - not in the best way. >> With new Configuration design, we thought delegating the config >> implementation to resolve commands class name to instance, > > Resolving classes by name will cause problems with OSGi. not if you are using the right ClassLoader - which is anyway the reason why current CatalogFactory cannot work there > Are there other possibilities to configure [chain]? pure APIs > Sorry I haven't looked at the sources yet, but will do asap. I'm interested > in getting involved in the development of this component. > good!!! -Simo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hi Simo, Send from my mobile device Am 17.03.2013 um 11:05 schrieb Simone Tripodi : > Hi Steve! > > I have to dig in the ML to find the discussion, anyway IIRC the > CatalogFactory has been designed to be integrated in the XML/textual > configuration, mixing a lot of pattern - not in the best way. > With new Configuration design, we thought delegating the config > implementation to resolve commands class name to instance, Resolving classes by name will cause problems with OSGi. Are there other possibilities to configure [chain]? Sorry I haven't looked at the sources yet, but will do asap. I'm interested in getting involved in the development of this component. Regards, Benedikt > rather than > having this god class... > > I'll point you to discussions anyway as soon as I find it! > > Have a nice weekend, all the best! > -Simo > > http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ > http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ > http://twitter.com/simonetripodi > http://www.99soft.org/ > > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Steve Westwood > wrote: >> Hi Simone, >> >> Thanks for this - happy to take a closer look a.s.a.p. However, what >> were/are yours and Elijahs issues with the CatalogFactory? >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf >> Of Simone Tripodi >> Sent: 16 March 2013 21:04 >> To: Commons Developers List >> Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? >> >> Hi again Steve, >> >> another thing that came in my mind, is about a discussion between Elijah and >> I about dropping completely the CatalogFactory and moving the >> ChainConfigurationException to the configuration API module. >> IIRC this is still related to CHAIN-76... >> >> TIA! >> -Simo >> >> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ >> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ >> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi >> http://www.99soft.org/ >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Simone Tripodi >> wrote: >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> thanks a lot for your interest on chains! :) >>> >>> Documentation is never enough, so if you do have some more >>> samples/hints/.../whatever, feel free to push one or more patches on >>> JIRA, I'd be more than glad to apply it! >>> Same thing for unit tests, or improve the test coverage - patches are >>> more than welcome, and playing with tests is usually a good way to get >>> familiar with codebase :) >>> >>> Thanks a lot in advance for your involvement, hope to read from you soon! >>> Have a nice day, all the best, >>> -Simo >>> >>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ >>> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ >>> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi >>> http://www.99soft.org/ >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Steve Westwood >>> wrote: >>>> Hi Simone, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the response; >>>> >>>> My first thought on commons-chain relate to the other 2.0 issues >>>> apart from >>>> CHAIN-76 that have been delivered (which is a lot I notice - >>>> congratulations on getting to this point!). Are the changes in your >>>> view stable and do they need further tests/samples to ensure all is >>>> good (I haven't looked at test coverage yet). I notice cookbook >>>> sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need to provide more (plus amend >>>> documentation) to provide certainty going forward? I guess my >>>> thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a >>>> 2.0 or 2.1 issue. I have no strong view on this although a move away >>>> from XML-centric configuration is certainly desirable. >>>> >>>> For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 >>>> over the weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need >>>> to refresh my memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I >>>> like to think I can get up to speed fairly quickly here. >>>> >>>> Thanks again, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> >>>> From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Simone Tripodi >>>> >>>> Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 >>>>
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hi Steve! I have to dig in the ML to find the discussion, anyway IIRC the CatalogFactory has been designed to be integrated in the XML/textual configuration, mixing a lot of pattern - not in the best way. With new Configuration design, we thought delegating the config implementation to resolve commands class name to instance, rather than having this god class... I'll point you to discussions anyway as soon as I find it! Have a nice weekend, all the best! -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Steve Westwood wrote: > Hi Simone, > > Thanks for this - happy to take a closer look a.s.a.p. However, what were/are > yours and Elijahs issues with the CatalogFactory? > > Regards, > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Simone Tripodi > Sent: 16 March 2013 21:04 > To: Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? > > Hi again Steve, > > another thing that came in my mind, is about a discussion between Elijah and > I about dropping completely the CatalogFactory and moving the > ChainConfigurationException to the configuration API module. > IIRC this is still related to CHAIN-76... > > TIA! > -Simo > > http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ > http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ > http://twitter.com/simonetripodi > http://www.99soft.org/ > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Simone Tripodi > wrote: >> Hi Steve, >> >> thanks a lot for your interest on chains! :) >> >> Documentation is never enough, so if you do have some more >> samples/hints/.../whatever, feel free to push one or more patches on >> JIRA, I'd be more than glad to apply it! >> Same thing for unit tests, or improve the test coverage - patches are >> more than welcome, and playing with tests is usually a good way to get >> familiar with codebase :) >> >> Thanks a lot in advance for your involvement, hope to read from you soon! >> Have a nice day, all the best, >> -Simo >> >> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ >> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ >> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi >> http://www.99soft.org/ >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Steve Westwood >> wrote: >>> Hi Simone, >>> >>> Thanks for the response; >>> >>> My first thought on commons-chain relate to the other 2.0 issues >>> apart from >>> CHAIN-76 that have been delivered (which is a lot I notice - >>> congratulations on getting to this point!). Are the changes in your >>> view stable and do they need further tests/samples to ensure all is >>> good (I haven't looked at test coverage yet). I notice cookbook >>> sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need to provide more (plus amend >>> documentation) to provide certainty going forward? I guess my >>> thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a >>> 2.0 or 2.1 issue. I have no strong view on this although a move away >>> from XML-centric configuration is certainly desirable. >>> >>> For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 >>> over the weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need >>> to refresh my memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I >>> like to think I can get up to speed fairly quickly here. >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> >>> From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On >>> Behalf Of Simone Tripodi >>> >>> Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 >>> >>> To: Commons Developers List; Steve Westwood >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> >>> >>> very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on >>> Chain! :) >>> >>> >>> >>> So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is >>> CHAIN-76[1] where some work has already been done but far to be completed. >>> >>> If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved >>> >>> - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope to read from you soon! >>> >>> All the best! >&g
RE: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hi Simone, Thanks for this - happy to take a closer look a.s.a.p. However, what were/are yours and Elijahs issues with the CatalogFactory? Regards, Steve -Original Message- From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Simone Tripodi Sent: 16 March 2013 21:04 To: Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? Hi again Steve, another thing that came in my mind, is about a discussion between Elijah and I about dropping completely the CatalogFactory and moving the ChainConfigurationException to the configuration API module. IIRC this is still related to CHAIN-76... TIA! -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote: > Hi Steve, > > thanks a lot for your interest on chains! :) > > Documentation is never enough, so if you do have some more > samples/hints/.../whatever, feel free to push one or more patches on > JIRA, I'd be more than glad to apply it! > Same thing for unit tests, or improve the test coverage - patches are > more than welcome, and playing with tests is usually a good way to get > familiar with codebase :) > > Thanks a lot in advance for your involvement, hope to read from you soon! > Have a nice day, all the best, > -Simo > > http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ > http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ > http://twitter.com/simonetripodi > http://www.99soft.org/ > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Steve Westwood > wrote: >> Hi Simone, >> >> Thanks for the response; >> >> My first thought on commons-chain relate to the other 2.0 issues >> apart from >> CHAIN-76 that have been delivered (which is a lot I notice - >> congratulations on getting to this point!). Are the changes in your >> view stable and do they need further tests/samples to ensure all is >> good (I haven't looked at test coverage yet). I notice cookbook >> sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need to provide more (plus amend >> documentation) to provide certainty going forward? I guess my >> thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a >> 2.0 or 2.1 issue. I have no strong view on this although a move away >> from XML-centric configuration is certainly desirable. >> >> For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 >> over the weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need >> to refresh my memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I >> like to think I can get up to speed fairly quickly here. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On >> Behalf Of Simone Tripodi >> >> Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 >> >> To: Commons Developers List; Steve Westwood >> >> Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? >> >> >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> >> >> very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on >> Chain! :) >> >> >> >> So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is >> CHAIN-76[1] where some work has already been done but far to be completed. >> >> If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved >> >> - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) >> >> >> >> I hope to read from you soon! >> >> All the best! >> >> -Simo >> >> >> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CHAIN-76 >> >> >> >> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ >> >> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ >> >> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi >> >> http://www.99soft.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Steve Westwood >> wrote: >> >>> I wanted to get a sense of what (if anything) is planned for >> >>> commons-chain. I used this in some years ago, and for various >>> reasons >> >>> I now find myself returning to it. In examining the SVN trunk things >>> have not stood still: >> >>> - Discussions (and subsequent work) in 2011 to accommodate work as a >> >>> precursor to a chains2 from of CHAIN-53 >> >>> - A fair bit of rework to accommodate Generics/Java 5 support >> >>> - DSL like capability introduce
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hi again Steve, another thing that came in my mind, is about a discussion between Elijah and I about dropping completely the CatalogFactory and moving the ChainConfigurationException to the configuration API module. IIRC this is still related to CHAIN-76... TIA! -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote: > Hi Steve, > > thanks a lot for your interest on chains! :) > > Documentation is never enough, so if you do have some more > samples/hints/.../whatever, feel free to push one or more patches on > JIRA, I'd be more than glad to apply it! > Same thing for unit tests, or improve the test coverage - patches are > more than welcome, and playing with tests is usually a good way to get > familiar with codebase :) > > Thanks a lot in advance for your involvement, hope to read from you soon! > Have a nice day, all the best, > -Simo > > http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ > http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ > http://twitter.com/simonetripodi > http://www.99soft.org/ > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Steve Westwood > wrote: >> Hi Simone, >> >> Thanks for the response; >> >> My first thought on commons-chain relate to the other 2.0 issues apart from >> CHAIN-76 that have been delivered (which is a lot I notice - congratulations >> on getting to this point!). Are the changes in your view stable and do they >> need further tests/samples to ensure all is good (I haven't looked at test >> coverage yet). I notice cookbook sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need >> to provide more (plus amend documentation) to provide certainty going >> forward? I guess my thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a >> 2.0 or 2.1 issue. I have no strong view on this although a move away from >> XML-centric configuration is certainly desirable. >> >> For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 over the >> weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need to refresh my >> memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I like to think I can get >> up to speed fairly quickly here. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message- >> >> From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf >> Of Simone Tripodi >> >> Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 >> >> To: Commons Developers List; Steve Westwood >> >> Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? >> >> >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> >> >> very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on Chain! :) >> >> >> >> So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is CHAIN-76[1] >> where some work has already been done but far to be completed. >> >> If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved >> >> - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) >> >> >> >> I hope to read from you soon! >> >> All the best! >> >> -Simo >> >> >> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CHAIN-76 >> >> >> >> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ >> >> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ >> >> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi >> >> http://www.99soft.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Steve Westwood >> wrote: >> >>> I wanted to get a sense of what (if anything) is planned for >> >>> commons-chain. I used this in some years ago, and for various reasons >> >>> I now find myself returning to it. In examining the SVN trunk things have >>> not stood still: >> >>> - Discussions (and subsequent work) in 2011 to accommodate work as a >> >>> precursor to a chains2 from of CHAIN-53 >> >>> - A fair bit of rework to accommodate Generics/Java 5 support >> >>> - DSL like capability introduced >> >>> - Refactoring >> >>> >> >>> Of course, the last release was 2008 (1.2), hence is 2.0 imminent, or >> >>> are there other issues that require addressing prior to its roll-out? >> >>> I have looked at JIRA, and I am aware of some debates via this list >> >>> back in 2009 regarding the incorporation of aspects of Robust-Task >> >>> from Min Cha (this has morphed into Whitetask - see >> >>> https://code.google.com/p/whitetask/). In addition I note guice/spring >>> integration has been raised in some form. >> >>> >> >>> Hence what are the next steps for commons-chain? I am more than happy >> >>> to get involved with this. >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> >> >>> Steve Westwood >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> - >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hi Steve, thanks a lot for your interest on chains! :) Documentation is never enough, so if you do have some more samples/hints/.../whatever, feel free to push one or more patches on JIRA, I'd be more than glad to apply it! Same thing for unit tests, or improve the test coverage - patches are more than welcome, and playing with tests is usually a good way to get familiar with codebase :) Thanks a lot in advance for your involvement, hope to read from you soon! Have a nice day, all the best, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Steve Westwood wrote: > Hi Simone, > > Thanks for the response; > > My first thought on commons-chain relate to the other 2.0 issues apart from > CHAIN-76 that have been delivered (which is a lot I notice - congratulations > on getting to this point!). Are the changes in your view stable and do they > need further tests/samples to ensure all is good (I haven't looked at test > coverage yet). I notice cookbook sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need > to provide more (plus amend documentation) to provide certainty going > forward? I guess my thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a > 2.0 or 2.1 issue. I have no strong view on this although a move away from > XML-centric configuration is certainly desirable. > > For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 over the > weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need to refresh my > memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I like to think I can get > up to speed fairly quickly here. > > Thanks again, > > Steve > > -Original Message- > > From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf > Of Simone Tripodi > > Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 > > To: Commons Developers List; Steve Westwood > > Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on Chain! :) > > > > So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is CHAIN-76[1] > where some work has already been done but far to be completed. > > If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved > > - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) > > > > I hope to read from you soon! > > All the best! > > -Simo > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CHAIN-76 > > > > http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ > > http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ > > http://twitter.com/simonetripodi > > http://www.99soft.org/ > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Steve Westwood > wrote: > >> I wanted to get a sense of what (if anything) is planned for > >> commons-chain. I used this in some years ago, and for various reasons > >> I now find myself returning to it. In examining the SVN trunk things have >> not stood still: > >> - Discussions (and subsequent work) in 2011 to accommodate work as a > >> precursor to a chains2 from of CHAIN-53 > >> - A fair bit of rework to accommodate Generics/Java 5 support > >> - DSL like capability introduced > >> - Refactoring > >> > >> Of course, the last release was 2008 (1.2), hence is 2.0 imminent, or > >> are there other issues that require addressing prior to its roll-out? > >> I have looked at JIRA, and I am aware of some debates via this list > >> back in 2009 regarding the incorporation of aspects of Robust-Task > >> from Min Cha (this has morphed into Whitetask - see > >> https://code.google.com/p/whitetask/). In addition I note guice/spring >> integration has been raised in some form. > >> > >> Hence what are the next steps for commons-chain? I am more than happy > >> to get involved with this. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Steve Westwood > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hi Simone, Thanks for the response; My first thought on commons-chain relate to the other 2.0 issues apart from CHAIN-76 that have been delivered (which is a lot I notice - congratulations on getting to this point!). Are the changes in your view stable and do they need further tests/samples to ensure all is good (I haven't looked at test coverage yet). I notice cookbook sample changes (CHAIN-66) but do we need to provide more (plus amend documentation) to provide certainty going forward? I guess my thinking relates to whether work such as CHAIN-76 is a 2.0 or 2.1 issue. I have no strong view on this although a move away from XML-centric configuration is certainly desirable. For CHAIN-76, I will apply the prototype patch to a copy of the 2.0 over the weekend and take a closer look at what you submitted. I need to refresh my memory on commons-chain (its been a while...) but I like to think I can get up to speed fairly quickly here. Thanks again, Steve -Original Message- From: simone.trip...@gmail.com [mailto:simone.trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Simone Tripodi Sent: 13 March 2013 20:01 To: Commons Developers List; Steve Westwood Subject: Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain? Hi Steve, very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on Chain! :) So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is CHAIN-76[1] where some work has already been done but far to be completed. If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) I hope to read from you soon! All the best! -Simo [1]<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CHAIN-76> <http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/><http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/><http://twitter.com/simonetripodi><http://www.99soft.org/> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Steve Westwood mailto:steve.westw...@hexsaw.org.uk> > wrote: > I wanted to get a sense of what (if anything) is planned for > commons-chain. I used this in some years ago, and for various reasons > I now find myself returning to it. In examining the SVN trunk things have not > stood still: > - Discussions (and subsequent work) in 2011 to accommodate work as a > precursor to a chains2 from of CHAIN-53 > - A fair bit of rework to accommodate Generics/Java 5 support > - DSL like capability introduced > - Refactoring > > Of course, the last release was 2008 (1.2), hence is 2.0 imminent, or > are there other issues that require addressing prior to its roll-out? > I have looked at JIRA, and I am aware of some debates via this list > back in 2009 regarding the incorporation of aspects of Robust-Task > from Min Cha (this has morphed into Whitetask - see ><https://code.google.com/p/whitetask/> ). In addition I note guice/spring >integration has been raised in some form. > > Hence what are the next steps for commons-chain? I am more than happy > to get involved with this. > > Regards, > > Steve Westwood > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org <mailto:dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org <mailto:dev-h...@commons.apache.org>
Re: [Chain] Any future plans for commons-chain?
Hi Steve, very nice to hear there is someone willing to put new energies on Chain! :) So, the latest step IMHO before to cut the first chain RC, is CHAIN-76[1] where some work has already been done but far to be completed. If you want to give a help here, there's enough space to get involved - I would be more than pleased to revamp my interest in Chains :) I hope to read from you soon! All the best! -Simo [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CHAIN-76 http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Steve Westwood wrote: > I wanted to get a sense of what (if anything) is planned for commons-chain. I > used this in some years ago, and for various reasons I now find myself > returning > to it. In examining the SVN trunk things have not stood still: > - Discussions (and subsequent work) in 2011 to accommodate work as a precursor > to a chains2 from of CHAIN-53 > - A fair bit of rework to accommodate Generics/Java 5 support > - DSL like capability introduced > - Refactoring > > Of course, the last release was 2008 (1.2), hence is 2.0 imminent, or are > there > other issues that require addressing prior to its roll-out? I have looked at > JIRA, and I am aware of some debates via this list back in 2009 regarding the > incorporation of aspects of Robust-Task from Min Cha (this has morphed into > Whitetask - see https://code.google.com/p/whitetask/). In addition I note > guice/spring integration has been raised in some form. > > Hence what are the next steps for commons-chain? I am more than happy to get > involved with this. > > Regards, > > Steve Westwood > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
