[GitHub] cordova-plugin-geolocation pull request: iOS: Clearing all Watches...

2014-10-10 Thread Pushkar13008
Github user Pushkar13008 commented on the pull request:


https://github.com/apache/cordova-plugin-geolocation/pull/25#issuecomment-58625893
  
Hi,
I use cordova 3.6 and last version of geolocation. I have the same issue on 
Android. When the watch is cleared, the symbol stays visible.
Is it possible to fix this ?
Thanks.


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[GitHub] cordova-coho pull request: [CB-7744] Add support for git-depth fla...

2014-10-10 Thread sgrebnov
Github user sgrebnov commented on the pull request:

https://github.com/apache/cordova-coho/pull/52#issuecomment-58634089
  
Does anyone know why this PR was closed w/o any comment? I personally think 
that this option is very valuable, for example to significantly speed up Medic 
which uses coho to check out platforms and plugins.


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Change default path of .cordova folder

2014-10-10 Thread Damien Urruty
Hello guys,

I want to use cordova in a multi-user environment. I have noticed that at
the first use, cordova needs to download some stuff, and write them to a
.cordova folder in my HOME folder. I would like to modify this process in
order to have a single folder for all my users. The idea is to have all the
stuff cordova needs downloaded once and at a single place.

Is this possible to change the path where the .cordova folder is created ?

Thanks in advance

Dam


Re: Change default path of .cordova folder

2014-10-10 Thread Andrew Grieve
Hi Dam,

The code for that is here:

https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/blob/master/cordova-lib/src/cordova/util.js#L31


So, looks like if you set your HOME / USERPROFILE variable to somewhere
else that might do it.

You can also try and manage your downloads separately and do things via:
cordova platform add /path/to/cordova-android
cordova plugin add a.b.c --searchpath=/where/my/plugins/live


Even better would be if there was a CORDOVA_HOME variable... Which I'm sure
we'd be fine to add given a pull request :)




On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Damien Urruty damien.urr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello guys,

 I want to use cordova in a multi-user environment. I have noticed that at
 the first use, cordova needs to download some stuff, and write them to a
 .cordova folder in my HOME folder. I would like to modify this process in
 order to have a single folder for all my users. The idea is to have all the
 stuff cordova needs downloaded once and at a single place.

 Is this possible to change the path where the .cordova folder is created
 ?

 Thanks in advance

 Dam



[GitHub] cordova-coho pull request: [CB-7744] Add support for git-depth fla...

2014-10-10 Thread agrieve
Github user agrieve commented on the pull request:

https://github.com/apache/cordova-coho/pull/52#issuecomment-58642817
  
I don't see any commit logs that tell it close it, and I don't see it 
merged either.
Change LGTM as well. Maybe just pull it in now even though it's closed?


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Re: whitelist as a plugin

2014-10-10 Thread Ian Clelland
I'm still thinking in the old CadVer world here -- yes, it is a breaking
change, and would absolutely require a major version change. 3.7.0 is
certainly not a possible version number for it.

I suppose the issue of master vs. 4.0.x in my head was whether the feature
branch should be rooted on the branch named 4.0.x, and so depend on
pluggable-webviews, or rooted on where master is today, and so be eligible
for landing before the webview breakout.

Of course, I'd really love both for pluggable webviews to ship, and to not
have to do the whitelist work twice, so I'm happy with basing it on the
4.0.x branch.


On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote:

 It's technically a breaking change, so agree 4.0.x makes sense.

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:

  This should land in 4.0.x
  On Oct 9, 2014 7:38 AM, Ian Clelland iclell...@chromium.org wrote:
 
   I'm running into more and more problems caused by the whitelist (today,
   it's because of the dual use of the internal whitelist for should be
  able
   to navigate to URL and should be able to XHR from URL)
  
   I'm going to start to pull it out, on a topic branch based off of
 Android
   4.0.x right now. I'll create a JIRA issue to track the work.
  
   Is 4.0.x the best place for this to land, or is there any support for
   putting it on master as well, for an eventual 3.7 release?
  
  
   On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:
  
+1 to remove it  for all the above reasons (and WKWebView in iOS 8)
Those interested in this security blanket for checkmark ✓ purposes
 can
install the plugin, and perhaps maintain it as well.
   
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
 Or remove it altogether and let the evolution of that code be
   maintained
by
 those interested in the narrative it provides? :)

 On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org
   wrote:

 Sounds like we both agree that it doesn't work and adds a false
  sense
   of
 security (to those that do opt into it) :P.

 Maybe what we should do is redesign the whitelist to do something
  more
 useful.

 e.g. A whitelist that says what URLs you can navigate to is useful
  and
easy
 to implement. Let's just drop the trying to stop network requests
aspect of
 it?


 On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:

  I'm in agreement with Andrew on this one.  If we can get CSP
   working,
  that's a far better solution than our Whitelist, which was done
  because it was needed at the time for the enterprise use case
 that
   IBM
  had.  I don't think we're ever going to stop are users from
 doing
   dumb
  things like including thirdpartyadnetworkthatdoesnoteusehttps.js
  in
  their apps any time soon, but they'll have to jump through more
   hoops
  to do dumb things, and making dumb things harder is a good
 thing.
 
  On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
javascript:;
 wrote:
   Heh. Why do we always seem to be at the opposite end of
considerations?
   (Not a bad thing anyhow. ;)
  
   So making whitelist a plugin would most certainly isolate the
  code
 which
   would help us better understand:
  
   1.) where the surface for bugs are (we seem to miss/find new
security
  holes
   each quarter…)
   2.) if people actually use it
  
   I'm more interested in #2. I suspect the only people whom do
 use
   it
are
   security researchers disproving the whitelist veracity. I feel
   this
API
  was
   a mistake, is misleading, and ultimately leads to poor web
   security
   practices wrt 3rd part scripts. I'd like the evidence to
 remove
  it
   completely and making it a plugin would do that. (And still
  allow
for
 its
   existence to those whom want to contribute to a marketing
  based
api.)
  
  
  
   On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Andrew Grieve 
   agri...@chromium.org
 javascript:;
  wrote:
  
   I don't think moving the whitelist to a plugin would aid in
 its
   understanding. Right now the whitelist is used for two
 things:
  
   1. Whether to allow network requests through (although this
 is
broken
  for
   audio/video on iOS, and broken for them + websockets on
   Android
   2. Whether to allow top frame navigations (e.g. clicking a
 link
   to
  http://
   *
   opens in system browser vs. webview)
  
   #1 doesn't work very well due to technical limitations.
   #2 is actually the more import one security-wise I think,
 and I
don't
  think
   should be relegated to a plugin.
  
   I'm hoping medium-term that CSP can replace the use-case of
 #1.
  
  

Re: whitelist as a plugin

2014-10-10 Thread Joe Bowser
I'd like to see this tie into Pluggable WebViews because based on the work
I'm doing on MozillaView, I think we're going to need it broken out into a
plugin and an API added for it.  That said, I'm hoping the delta isn't too
different, because if we decide to completely redesign the Pluggable
WebView API, I think it'll be another six months until this feature sees
the light of day.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Ian Clelland iclell...@chromium.org
wrote:

 I'm still thinking in the old CadVer world here -- yes, it is a breaking
 change, and would absolutely require a major version change. 3.7.0 is
 certainly not a possible version number for it.

 I suppose the issue of master vs. 4.0.x in my head was whether the feature
 branch should be rooted on the branch named 4.0.x, and so depend on
 pluggable-webviews, or rooted on where master is today, and so be eligible
 for landing before the webview breakout.

 Of course, I'd really love both for pluggable webviews to ship, and to not
 have to do the whitelist work twice, so I'm happy with basing it on the
 4.0.x branch.


 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org
 wrote:

  It's technically a breaking change, so agree 4.0.x makes sense.
 
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   This should land in 4.0.x
   On Oct 9, 2014 7:38 AM, Ian Clelland iclell...@chromium.org wrote:
  
I'm running into more and more problems caused by the whitelist
 (today,
it's because of the dual use of the internal whitelist for should be
   able
to navigate to URL and should be able to XHR from URL)
   
I'm going to start to pull it out, on a topic branch based off of
  Android
4.0.x right now. I'll create a JIRA issue to track the work.
   
Is 4.0.x the best place for this to land, or is there any support for
putting it on master as well, for an eventual 3.7 release?
   
   
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 +1 to remove it  for all the above reasons (and WKWebView in iOS 8)
 Those interested in this security blanket for checkmark ✓ purposes
  can
 install the plugin, and perhaps maintain it as well.

 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
  Or remove it altogether and let the evolution of that code be
maintained
 by
  those interested in the narrative it provides? :)
 
  On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org
wrote:
 
  Sounds like we both agree that it doesn't work and adds a false
   sense
of
  security (to those that do opt into it) :P.
 
  Maybe what we should do is redesign the whitelist to do
 something
   more
  useful.
 
  e.g. A whitelist that says what URLs you can navigate to is
 useful
   and
 easy
  to implement. Let's just drop the trying to stop network
 requests
 aspect of
  it?
 
 
  On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com
  javascript:; wrote:
 
   I'm in agreement with Andrew on this one.  If we can get CSP
working,
   that's a far better solution than our Whitelist, which was
 done
   because it was needed at the time for the enterprise use case
  that
IBM
   had.  I don't think we're ever going to stop are users from
  doing
dumb
   things like including
 thirdpartyadnetworkthatdoesnoteusehttps.js
   in
   their apps any time soon, but they'll have to jump through
 more
hoops
   to do dumb things, and making dumb things harder is a good
  thing.
  
   On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
 javascript:;
  wrote:
Heh. Why do we always seem to be at the opposite end of
 considerations?
(Not a bad thing anyhow. ;)
   
So making whitelist a plugin would most certainly isolate
 the
   code
  which
would help us better understand:
   
1.) where the surface for bugs are (we seem to miss/find new
 security
   holes
each quarter…)
2.) if people actually use it
   
I'm more interested in #2. I suspect the only people whom do
  use
it
 are
security researchers disproving the whitelist veracity. I
 feel
this
 API
   was
a mistake, is misleading, and ultimately leads to poor web
security
practices wrt 3rd part scripts. I'd like the evidence to
  remove
   it
completely and making it a plugin would do that. (And still
   allow
 for
  its
existence to those whom want to contribute to a marketing
   based
 api.)
   
   
   
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Andrew Grieve 
agri...@chromium.org
  javascript:;
   wrote:
   
I don't think moving the whitelist to a plugin would aid in
  its
understanding. Right now the whitelist is used for two
  things:
   
 

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of alleviating
confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the platforms. I'd rather
we went to 5 if anything.
On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

 I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)

 On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:

 +1
 
 -Chuck
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
 
 +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on.
 
 How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it here, in
 the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
 
 @purplecabbage
 risingj.com
 
 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us resort to voting
  to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if consensus is
  split. I don't see that in this scenario.
 
  I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
 
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
  panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone feels strongly
   about calling it something the vote could be cancelled !!
  
   On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
   Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was at once point
   to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a version number.
   Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either send the message
   that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from a versioning
   perspective (though behavior is still predictable).  Leo - I think
   at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the CLI version
   as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of the CLI is
   what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
   3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main message is
   that
  when
   you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
   cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's just formalizing
   the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
   
   -Chuck
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
   To: dev@cordova.apache.org
   Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
   Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
   
   I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now.
   
   Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the version
   of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward 10.0.0.
   Should I move forward with that? I would just have to branch + pin
   deps
   
   Leo the documentation version dropdown box would be tied to cli
 version.
   It still makes sense to copy over platform documentation into
   platform repos and maybe copy it into docs during generation time.
   
   As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do with platforms. I
  wouldn't
   say they aren't tied to the cli at all. I understand your point
 though.
   So far, we haven't had any plugins that won't work with previous
  versions
   (As far as I know). We should really fix the engine stuff for
   plugins so we can keep track of what platforms they work for. I'd
   like us to give warnings to users to update their plugins if newer
 versions are out.
   Cordova info should also dump what versions of plugins you have
  installed
   if it doesn't already. In combination with cordova --save  cordova
   --restore, we should be able to recommend a workflow that is easily
   reproducible on any machine.
   
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
  wrote:
   
Okay - so - there's a pretty nasty CLI blocker bug right now.
Plugins with dependencies don't install (this affects all
platforms).  In my opinion, we need to get a CLI release out
really soon.  Are we closed on this topic, or do we need to look
at doing the old process to get this out the door while we are
 still talking?
   
There are also a series of other bugs in the currently tagged
 3.6.4
platforms for Android, Windows, and Windows Phone 8.  These can
be handled independently, but the CLI bug can't.
   
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670
   
-Chuck
   
-Original Message-
From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM
To: Michal Mocny
Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev
Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary
   
I'll have to admit that this seems a bit weird.  That is,
independent versions of the CLI and platforms, with a Cordova
release named something - e.g. a date?
   
Imagine a user wants to know whether the new whitelist entry in
config.xml is supported in the versions of CLI and platforms that
they have - assuming 

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
5 is also fine.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of alleviating
 confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the platforms. I'd rather
 we went to 5 if anything.
 On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
 panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

  I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
 
  On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
  +1
  
  -Chuck
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
  
  +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on.
  
  How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it here, in
  the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
  
  @purplecabbage
  risingj.com
  
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
   I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us resort to voting
   to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if consensus is
   split. I don't see that in this scenario.
  
   I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
  
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone feels strongly
about calling it something the vote could be cancelled !!
   
On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was at once point
to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a version number.
Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either send the message
that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from a versioning
perspective (though behavior is still predictable).  Leo - I think
at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the CLI version
as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of the CLI is
what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main message is
that
   when
you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's just formalizing
the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.

-Chuck

-Original Message-
From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now.

Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the version
of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward 10.0.0.
Should I move forward with that? I would just have to branch + pin
deps

Leo the documentation version dropdown box would be tied to cli
  version.
It still makes sense to copy over platform documentation into
platform repos and maybe copy it into docs during generation time.

As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do with platforms. I
   wouldn't
say they aren't tied to the cli at all. I understand your point
  though.
So far, we haven't had any plugins that won't work with previous
   versions
(As far as I know). We should really fix the engine stuff for
plugins so we can keep track of what platforms they work for. I'd
like us to give warnings to users to update their plugins if newer
  versions are out.
Cordova info should also dump what versions of plugins you have
   installed
if it doesn't already. In combination with cordova --save  cordova
--restore, we should be able to recommend a workflow that is easily
reproducible on any machine.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
   wrote:

 Okay - so - there's a pretty nasty CLI blocker bug right now.
 Plugins with dependencies don't install (this affects all
 platforms).  In my opinion, we need to get a CLI release out
 really soon.  Are we closed on this topic, or do we need to look
 at doing the old process to get this out the door while we are
  still talking?

 There are also a series of other bugs in the currently tagged
  3.6.4
 platforms for Android, Windows, and Windows Phone 8.  These can
 be handled independently, but the CLI bug can't.

 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670

 -Chuck

 -Original Message-
 From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com]
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM
 To: Michal Mocny
 Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev
 Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary

 I'll have to admit that this seems a bit weird.  That is,
 independent versions of the CLI and platforms, with a Cordova
  

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
As is 4.

This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc problem.
Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and our
respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued strife.)

(All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on this one.)
On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:

 5 is also fine.

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

  I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of alleviating
  confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the platforms. I'd
 rather
  we went to 5 if anything.
  On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
  panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
  
   On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
   +1
   
   -Chuck
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
   To: dev@cordova.apache.org
   Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
   
   +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving
 on.
   
   How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it here,
 in
   the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
   
   @purplecabbage
   risingj.com
   
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us resort to
 voting
to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if consensus is
split. I don't see that in this scenario.
   
I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
   
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
 TECH) 
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone feels strongly
 about calling it something the vote could be cancelled !!

 On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:

 Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was at once
 point
 to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a version number.
 Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either send the
 message
 that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from a
 versioning
 perspective (though behavior is still predictable).  Leo - I
 think
 at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the CLI
 version
 as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of the CLI is
 what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
 3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main message is
 that
when
 you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
 cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's just
 formalizing
 the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
 
 -Chuck
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
 Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
 
 I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now.
 
 Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the
 version
 of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward
 10.0.0.
 Should I move forward with that? I would just have to branch +
 pin
 deps
 
 Leo the documentation version dropdown box would be tied to cli
   version.
 It still makes sense to copy over platform documentation into
 platform repos and maybe copy it into docs during generation
 time.
 
 As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do with platforms. I
wouldn't
 say they aren't tied to the cli at all. I understand your point
   though.
 So far, we haven't had any plugins that won't work with previous
versions
 (As far as I know). We should really fix the engine stuff for
 plugins so we can keep track of what platforms they work for. I'd
 like us to give warnings to users to update their plugins if
 newer
   versions are out.
 Cordova info should also dump what versions of plugins you have
installed
 if it doesn't already. In combination with cordova --save 
 cordova
 --restore, we should be able to recommend a workflow that is
 easily
 reproducible on any machine.
 
 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Chuck Lantz 
 cla...@microsoft.com
wrote:
 
  Okay - so - there's a pretty nasty CLI blocker bug right now.
  Plugins with dependencies don't install (this affects all
  platforms).  In my opinion, we need to get a CLI release out
  really soon.  Are we closed on this topic, or do we need to
 look
  at doing the old process to get this out the door while we are
   still talking?
 
  There are also a series of other bugs in the currently tagged
   3.6.4
  platforms for Android, Windows, and Windows Phone 8.  These can
  be handled 

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Treggiari, Leo
I would prefer 4 as well.  I asked in the hangout and the answer was that 4 was 
not good because Android had/is releasing a platform version 4.  However if the 
CLI and platform version numbers will be unrelated going forward, it doesn't 
seem as if that should matter.

Leo

-Original Message-
From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian 
LeRoux
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:49 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

As is 4.

This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc problem.
Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and our
respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued strife.)

(All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on this one.)
On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:

 5 is also fine.

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

  I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of alleviating
  confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the platforms. I'd
 rather
  we went to 5 if anything.
  On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
  panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
  
   On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
   +1
   
   -Chuck
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
   To: dev@cordova.apache.org
   Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
   
   +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving
 on.
   
   How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it here,
 in
   the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
   
   @purplecabbage
   risingj.com
   
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us resort to
 voting
to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if consensus is
split. I don't see that in this scenario.
   
I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
   
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
 TECH) 
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone feels strongly
 about calling it something the vote could be cancelled !!

 On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:

 Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was at once
 point
 to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a version number.
 Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either send the
 message
 that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from a
 versioning
 perspective (though behavior is still predictable).  Leo - I
 think
 at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the CLI
 version
 as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of the CLI is
 what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
 3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main message is
 that
when
 you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
 cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's just
 formalizing
 the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
 
 -Chuck
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
 Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
 
 I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now.
 
 Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the
 version
 of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward
 10.0.0.
 Should I move forward with that? I would just have to branch +
 pin
 deps
 
 Leo the documentation version dropdown box would be tied to cli
   version.
 It still makes sense to copy over platform documentation into
 platform repos and maybe copy it into docs during generation
 time.
 
 As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do with platforms. I
wouldn't
 say they aren't tied to the cli at all. I understand your point
   though.
 So far, we haven't had any plugins that won't work with previous
versions
 (As far as I know). We should really fix the engine stuff for
 plugins so we can keep track of what platforms they work for. I'd
 like us to give warnings to users to update their plugins if
 newer
   versions are out.
 Cordova info should also dump what versions of plugins you have
installed
 if it doesn't already. In combination with cordova --save 
 cordova
 --restore, we should be able to recommend a workflow that is
 easily
 reproducible on any machine.
 
 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Chuck Lantz 
 cla...@microsoft.com
wrote:
 
  Okay - so - 

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Treggiari, Leo leo.treggi...@intel.com
wrote:

  I’ll have to admit that this seems a bit weird.  That is, independent
 versions of the CLI and platforms, with a “Cordova release” named
 “something” – e.g. a date?


The Cordova Release can be labelled with the CLI version number.  That
number just doesn't make sense to apply to all platforms, and is harmful to
some of our goals.



 Imagine a user wants to know whether the new whitelist entry in config.xml
 is supported in the versions of CLI and platforms that they have – assuming
 they understand the distinction between the CLI and platforms to begin
 with.  They use some command to list the versions of the “things” (CLI and
 platforms) they have installed.  They go to the individual documentation of
 the “things” and try to figure it out.


Okay, great question.  Heres how I think that would play out:

First, we add this new config.xml feature to the CLI.  We document this in
the CLI documentation, and should be obvious which CLI versions to support
this feature.

If this feature also required platform changes:
- Ideally, we implement the CLI change in a way that just warns when the
platform is too old, and no-ops if so.  This is actually historically
common (minus the warnings!).
- If that isn't possible, and the change will actually break existing
platforms, that means the CLI has to do a MAJOR revision bump.
- Platforms have engine tags to say they expect a particular CLI version
= x.y.z and  (x+1).0.0, and so updates to CLI that are MAJOR require
updates to all platforms.
- You can downgrade your CLI, perhaps only locally using local node_module
installs, should you want to avoid this situation in an old project.




 The way the Cordova documentation works today is nice with the combo box
 where I can select a Cordova version – 3.6.0, 3.5.0, ...  What would the
 combo box contain in the new versioning scheme and how many entries would
 there be?  Are the answers “dates” and “lots of dates”?  Or would there be
 no Cordova version documentation other than an explanation of how to get
 the list of “things” you currently have and where to find the documentation
 on them.


As discussed, we would split CLI/platform docs and version alongside
releases (like plugins).  In this case, you would probably be reading the
CLI docs for config.xml settings, and can follow a link to
platform-specific extensions.



 To “pin” or not to “pin.



 Note that, to me, the pinning choice defines what happens when I use
 “cordova {plugin | platform} add foo” with no specific version specified.


Right.




 I’ve understood, so far at least, that plugins are not pinned (an add
 always fetches something) and platforms are pinned to a CLI version (an add
 tells the CLI that I will be using that platform (already installed) for
 this project).  Everything I have read which includes 1 book and the
 on-line project documentation, suggest that, even if not stating it
 explicitly.  E.g. plugins talk about “fetching” and platforms don’t.  There
 is a way to fetch a specific version of platform support.  That’s good and
 if I do that it is up to me to understand the compatibility of the specific
 version I requested.



 Is this true?  If so then the npm cordova behavior seems weird.  That is,
 if I “npm install cordova” I get a set of pinned platforms.  If I “npm
 update cordova”, I get a new CLI and nothing else – i.e. not the platforms
 that were pinned to that version of the CLI?


Few questions here..
Yes, plugins are not pinned in any way, they always install latest.
Yes, platforms are pinned, in that there is a pre-selected default version
that will be installed which is tied to the CLI version.
Yes, there are ways to explicitly override the default version of platform
/ plugin that gets installed.
Yes, when you update CLI on npm, you pinnings change, but no platforms
are actually upgraded anywhere.  You don't even download the platforms at
this point, it just affects the next time you platform add somewhere.




 Should the plugin and platform ‘pin’ behavior be the same?


Personally, I think so, but this is something we can decide later.  Right
now there are already a lot of changes, and pinning has been what we've
done historically.  There was a long thread about this and there were some
good reasons mentioned there for why this should continue for now (I don't
recall them, I can find and forward the thread).



 Should both be pinned?  Some may find this alternative “blasphemous” but
 the core plugin versions tested with a version of the CLI could be pinned
 to the version of the CLI.



 Should both not be pinned?  It would be more consistent and if users are
 OK with plugins being unpinned, why not platforms?



 But maybe plugins and platforms are different.  Plugins are purely
 run-time code.  Platforms are primarily tooling with some run-time code.
 Does that difference make the current pinning behavior the best choice.



 Maybe, 

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have been our choice
for sure -- but we worried that with the impending cordova-4.0 releases,
it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from cadver.

The more I think about it though, the less important I think that worry
is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.

(Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 As is 4.

 This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc problem.
 Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and our
 respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued strife.)

 (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on this one.)
 On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:

  5 is also fine.
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
 
   I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of alleviating
   confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the platforms. I'd
  rather
   we went to 5 if anything.
   On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
   
On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
+1

-Chuck

-Original Message-
From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

+1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving
  on.

How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it here,
  in
the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.

@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com
 
wrote:

 I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us resort to
  voting
 to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if consensus is
 split. I don't see that in this scenario.

 I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
  TECH) 
 panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

  Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone feels
 strongly
  about calling it something the vote could be cancelled !!
 
  On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
 wrote:
 
  Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was at once
  point
  to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a version number.
  Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either send the
  message
  that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from a
  versioning
  perspective (though behavior is still predictable).  Leo - I
  think
  at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the CLI
  version
  as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of the CLI is
  what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
  3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main message is
  that
 when
  you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
  cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's just
  formalizing
  the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
  
  -Chuck
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org
  Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
  Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
  
  I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now.
  
  Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the
  version
  of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward
  10.0.0.
  Should I move forward with that? I would just have to branch +
  pin
  deps
  
  Leo the documentation version dropdown box would be tied to cli
version.
  It still makes sense to copy over platform documentation into
  platform repos and maybe copy it into docs during generation
  time.
  
  As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do with platforms.
 I
 wouldn't
  say they aren't tied to the cli at all. I understand your point
though.
  So far, we haven't had any plugins that won't work with
 previous
 versions
  (As far as I know). We should really fix the engine stuff for
  plugins so we can keep track of what platforms they work for.
 I'd
  like us to give warnings to users to update their plugins if
  newer
versions are out.
  Cordova info should also dump what versions of plugins you have
 installed
  if it doesn't already. In combination with cordova --save 
  cordova
  --restore, we should be able to recommend a workflow that is
  easily
  reproducible on any machine.
  
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Chuck 

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
Well, alright, I think I like that.  All I care about is that we start to
semver properly, and don't block platforms from releasing.

Anyway, I'm not sure we should necessarily vote on this, but lets give it a
day to sink in since it isn't what everyone agreed to at the meetup.

-Michal

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Treggiari, Leo leo.treggi...@intel.com
wrote:

 I would prefer 4 as well.  I asked in the hangout and the answer was that
 4 was not good because Android had/is releasing a platform version 4.
 However if the CLI and platform version numbers will be unrelated going
 forward, it doesn't seem as if that should matter.

 Leo

 -Original Message-
 From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
 Brian LeRoux
 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:49 AM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

 As is 4.

 This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc problem.
 Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and our
 respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued strife.)

 (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on this one.)
 On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:

  5 is also fine.
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
 
   I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of alleviating
   confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the platforms. I'd
  rather
   we went to 5 if anything.
   On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
   
On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
+1

-Chuck

-Original Message-
From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

+1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving
  on.

How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it here,
  in
the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.

@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com
 
wrote:

 I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us resort to
  voting
 to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if consensus is
 split. I don't see that in this scenario.

 I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
  TECH) 
 panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

  Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone feels
 strongly
  about calling it something the vote could be cancelled !!
 
  On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
 wrote:
 
  Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was at once
  point
  to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a version number.
  Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either send the
  message
  that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from a
  versioning
  perspective (though behavior is still predictable).  Leo - I
  think
  at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the CLI
  version
  as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of the CLI is
  what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
  3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main message is
  that
 when
  you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
  cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's just
  formalizing
  the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
  
  -Chuck
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org
  Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
  Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
  
  I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now.
  
  Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the
  version
  of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward
  10.0.0.
  Should I move forward with that? I would just have to branch +
  pin
  deps
  
  Leo the documentation version dropdown box would be tied to cli
version.
  It still makes sense to copy over platform documentation into
  platform repos and maybe copy it into docs during generation
  time.
  
  As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do with platforms.
 I
 wouldn't
  say they aren't tied to the cli at all. I understand your point
though.
  So far, we haven't had any plugins that won't work with
 previous
 versions
  (As far as I know). We should really fix the engine stuff for
  plugins so we can keep track of what 

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
OR we move to named releases externally.

Cordova MX === 4.0
On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:

 4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have been our choice
 for sure -- but we worried that with the impending cordova-4.0 releases,
 it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from cadver.

 The more I think about it though, the less important I think that worry
 is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.

 (Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

  As is 4.
 
  This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc problem.
  Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and our
  respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued strife.)
 
  (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on this one.)
  On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:
 
   5 is also fine.
  
   On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
  
I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of alleviating
confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the platforms. I'd
   rather
we went to 5 if anything.
On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)

 On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:

 +1
 
 -Chuck
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
 
 +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before
 moving
   on.
 
 How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it
 here,
   in
 the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
 
 @purplecabbage
 risingj.com
 
 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
 stevengil...@gmail.com
  
 wrote:
 
  I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us resort to
   voting
  to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if consensus
 is
  split. I don't see that in this scenario.
 
  I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
 
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
   TECH) 
  panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone feels
  strongly
   about calling it something the vote could be cancelled !!
  
   On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
  wrote:
  
   Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was at once
   point
   to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a version
 number.
   Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either send the
   message
   that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from a
   versioning
   perspective (though behavior is still predictable).  Leo - I
   think
   at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the CLI
   version
   as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of the CLI
 is
   what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
   3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main message
 is
   that
  when
   you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
   cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's just
   formalizing
   the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
   
   -Chuck
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
   To: dev@cordova.apache.org
   Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
   Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
   
   I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now.
   
   Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the
   version
   of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward
   10.0.0.
   Should I move forward with that? I would just have to branch
 +
   pin
   deps
   
   Leo the documentation version dropdown box would be tied to
 cli
 version.
   It still makes sense to copy over platform documentation into
   platform repos and maybe copy it into docs during generation
   time.
   
   As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do with
 platforms.
  I
  wouldn't
   say they aren't tied to the cli at all. I understand your
 point
 though.
   So far, we haven't had any plugins that won't work with
  previous
  versions
   (As far as I know). We should really fix the engine stuff for
   plugins so we can keep track of what platforms they work for.
  I'd
   like us to give warnings to users to update their plugins if
   newer
 versions are out.
   Cordova info should also dump what 

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Treggiari, Leo
Thanks for the answers and they make sense to me.  Just a couple of follow-ons 
– see [LEO] below.

From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:54 AM
To: Treggiari, Leo
Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard; dev
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Treggiari, Leo 
leo.treggi...@intel.commailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com wrote:
I’ll have to admit that this seems a bit weird.  That is, independent versions 
of the CLI and platforms, with a “Cordova release” named “something” – e.g. a 
date?
The Cordova Release can be labelled with the CLI version number.  That number 
just doesn't make sense to apply to all platforms, and is harmful to some of 
our goals.
Imagine a user wants to know whether the new whitelist entry in config.xml is 
supported in the versions of CLI and platforms that they have – assuming they 
understand the distinction between the CLI and platforms to begin with.  They 
use some command to list the versions of the “things” (CLI and platforms) they 
have installed.  They go to the individual documentation of the “things” and 
try to figure it out
Okay, great question.  Heres how I think that would play out:

First, we add this new config.xml feature to the CLI.  We document this in the 
CLI documentation, and should be obvious which CLI versions to support this 
feature.
[LEO]  Will this happen before the “big change”?  It would be nice if it did.

If this feature also required platform changes:
- Ideally, we implement the CLI change in a way that just warns when the 
platform is too old, and no-ops if so.  This is actually historically common 
(minus the warnings!).
- If that isn't possible, and the change will actually break existing 
platforms, that means the CLI has to do a MAJOR revision bump.
- Platforms have engine tags to say they expect a particular CLI version = 
x.y.z and  (x+1).0.0, and so updates to CLI that are MAJOR require updates to 
all platforms.
- You can downgrade your CLI, perhaps only locally using local node_module 
installs, should you want to avoid this situation in an old project.
The way the Cordova documentation works today is nice with the combo box where 
I can select a Cordova version – 3.6.0, 3.5.0, ...  What would the combo box 
contain in the new versioning scheme and how many entries would there be?  Are 
the answers “dates” and “lots of dates”?  Or would there be no Cordova version 
documentation other than an explanation of how to get the list of “things” you 
currently have and where to find the documentation on them.
As discussed, we would split CLI/platform docs and version alongside releases 
(like plugins).  In this case, you would probably be reading the CLI docs for 
config.xml settings, and can follow a link to platform-specific extensions.
To “pin” or not to “pin”
Note that, to me, the pinning choice defines what happens when I use “cordova 
{plugin | platform} add foo” with no specific version specified.
Right.
I’ve understood, so far at least, that plugins are not pinned (an add always 
fetches something) and platforms are pinned to a CLI version (an add tells the 
CLI that I will be using that platform (already installed) for this project).  
Everything I have read which includes 1 book and the on-line project 
documentation, suggest that, even if not stating it explicitly.  E.g. plugins 
talk about “fetching” and platforms don’t.  There is a way to fetch a specific 
version of platform support.  That’s good and if I do that it is up to me to 
understand the compatibility of the specific version I requested.
Is this true?  If so then the npm cordova behavior seems weird.  That is, if I 
“npm install cordova” I get a set of pinned platforms.  If I “npm update 
cordova”, I get a new CLI and nothing else – i.e. not the platforms that were 
pinned to that version of the CLI?

Few questions here..
Yes, plugins are not pinned in any way, they always install latest.
Yes, platforms are pinned, in that there is a pre-selected default version that 
will be installed which is tied to the CLI version.
Yes, there are ways to explicitly override the default version of platform / 
plugin that gets installed.
Yes, when you update CLI on npm, you pinnings change, but no platforms are 
actually upgraded anywhere.  You don't even download the platforms at this 
point, it just affects the next time you platform add somewhere.
[LEO]  I get the last distinction (npm update) now and didn’t before.  That 
makes sense, but would be better if it were well documented.  Maybe it is and I 
just didn’t see it.

Should the plugin and platform ‘pin’ behavior be the same?

Personally, I think so, but this is something we can decide later.  Right now 
there are already a lot of changes, and pinning has been what we've done 
historically.  There was a long thread about this and there were some good 
reasons mentioned there for why this should continue for now (I don't recall 

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Joe Bowser
On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 OR we move to named releases externally.

 Cordova MX === 4.0

Cordova Mexico?

 On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:

  4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have been our
choice
  for sure -- but we worried that with the impending cordova-4.0
releases,
  it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from cadver.
 
  The more I think about it though, the less important I think that worry
  is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.
 
  (Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
 
   As is 4.
  
   This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc
problem.
   Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and our
   respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued strife.)
  
   (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on this
one.)
   On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:
  
5 is also fine.
   
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
   
 I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of alleviating
 confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the platforms.
I'd
rather
 we went to 5 if anything.
 On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
 panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

  I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
 
  On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
  +1
  
  -Chuck
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
  
  +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before
  moving
on.
  
  How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it
  here,
in
  the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
  
  @purplecabbage
  risingj.com
  
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
  stevengil...@gmail.com
   
  wrote:
  
   I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us resort
to
voting
   to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if
consensus
  is
   split. I don't see that in this scenario.
  
   I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
  
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS
OPEN
TECH) 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone feels
   strongly
about calling it something the vote could be cancelled !!
   
On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
   wrote:
   
Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was at
once
point
to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a version
  number.
Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either send
the
message
that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from a
versioning
perspective (though behavior is still predictable).  Leo
- I
think
at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the CLI
version
as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of the
CLI
  is
what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main
message
  is
that
   when
you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's just
formalizing
the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.

-Chuck

-Original Message-
From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release
now.

Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on
the
version
of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward
10.0.0.
Should I move forward with that? I would just have to
branch
  +
pin
deps

Leo the documentation version dropdown box would be tied
to
  cli
  version.
It still makes sense to copy over platform documentation
into
platform repos and maybe copy it into docs during
generation
time.

As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do with
  platforms.
   I
   wouldn't
say they aren't tied to the cli at all. I understand your
  point
  though.
So far, we haven't had any plugins that won't work with
   previous
   versions
(As far as I know). We should really fix the engine stuff
for

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Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Victor Sosa
lol... I like that :P

2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:

 On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
 
  OR we move to named releases externally.
 
  Cordova MX === 4.0

 Cordova Mexico?

  On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:
 
   4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have been our
 choice
   for sure -- but we worried that with the impending cordova-4.0
 releases,
   it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from cadver.
  
   The more I think about it though, the less important I think that worry
   is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.
  
   (Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)
  
   On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
  
As is 4.
   
This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc
 problem.
Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and our
respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued strife.)
   
(All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on this
 one.)
On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:
   
 5 is also fine.

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

  I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of alleviating
  confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the platforms.
 I'd
 rather
  we went to 5 if anything.
  On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
  panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
  
   On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
 wrote:
  
   +1
   
   -Chuck
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
   To: dev@cordova.apache.org
   Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
   
   +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before
   moving
 on.
   
   How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it
   here,
 in
   the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
   
   @purplecabbage
   risingj.com
   
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
   stevengil...@gmail.com

   wrote:
   
I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us resort
 to
 voting
to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if
 consensus
   is
split. I don't see that in this scenario.
   
I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
   
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS
 OPEN
 TECH) 
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone feels
strongly
 about calling it something the vote could be cancelled !!

 On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
wrote:

 Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was at
 once
 point
 to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a version
   number.
 Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either send
 the
 message
 that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from a
 versioning
 perspective (though behavior is still predictable).  Leo
 - I
 think
 at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the
 CLI
 version
 as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of the
 CLI
   is
 what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
 3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main
 message
   is
 that
when
 you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
 cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's just
 formalizing
 the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
 
 -Chuck
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
 Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
 
 I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release
 now.
 
 Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on
 the
 version
 of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning
 toward
 10.0.0.
 Should I move forward with that? I would just have to
 branch
   +
 pin
 deps
 
 Leo the documentation version dropdown box would be tied
 to
   cli
   version.
 It still makes sense to copy over platform documentation
 into
 platform repos and maybe copy it into docs during
 generation
 time.
 
 As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do with
   platforms.
I
wouldn't
   

iOS 8.1 testing

2014-10-10 Thread Edna Y Morales

I have gone through the mobilespec tests on 8.1 beta 2 and so far
everything is looking good. Looks like the only API diffs are methods and
constants that got added.

Thanks,
Edna Morales

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ?
Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that the issues
that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and I hope this
release could help them fast.

On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com wrote:

lol... I like that :P

2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:

 On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
 
  OR we move to named releases externally.
 
  Cordova MX === 4.0

 Cordova Mexico?

  On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:
 
   4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have been our
 choice
   for sure -- but we worried that with the impending cordova-4.0
 releases,
   it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from cadver.
  
   The more I think about it though, the less important I think that
worry
   is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.
  
   (Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)
  
   On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
  
As is 4.
   
This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc
 problem.
Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and our
respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued
strife.)
   
(All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on
this
 one.)
On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
wrote:
   
 5 is also fine.

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
wrote:

  I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of
alleviating
  confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the
platforms.
 I'd
 rather
  we went to 5 if anything.
  On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
TECH) 
  panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
  
   On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
 wrote:
  
   +1
   
   -Chuck
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
   To: dev@cordova.apache.org
   Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
   
   +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours
before
   moving
 on.
   
   How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they
voice it
   here,
 in
   the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
   
   @purplecabbage
   risingj.com
   
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
   stevengil...@gmail.com

   wrote:
   
I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us
resort
 to
 voting
to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if
 consensus
   is
split. I don't see that in this scenario.
   
I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
   
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS
 OPEN
 TECH) 
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone
feels
strongly
 about calling it something the vote could be cancelled
!!

 On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz
cla...@microsoft.com
wrote:

 Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was
at
 once
 point
 to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a
version
   number.
 Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either
send
 the
 message
 that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from
a
 versioning
 perspective (though behavior is still predictable).
Leo
 - I
 think
 at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the
 CLI
 version
 as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of
the
 CLI
   is
 what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
 3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main
 message
   is
 that
when
 you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
 cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's just
 formalizing
 the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
 
 -Chuck
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
 Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
 
 I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to
release
 now.
 
 Only thing holding back the release now is consensus
on
 the
 version
 of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning
 toward
 10.0.0.
 Should I move forward with that? I would just have to
 branch
   +
 pin
 deps
 
 Leo the documentation version dropdown box 

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Jesse
4.0 is good. Let's move.

@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

 4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ?
 Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that the issues
 that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and I hope this
 release could help them fast.

 On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com wrote:

 lol... I like that :P
 
 2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:
 
  On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
  
   OR we move to named releases externally.
  
   Cordova MX === 4.0
 
  Cordova Mexico?
 
   On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:
  
4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have been our
  choice
for sure -- but we worried that with the impending cordova-4.0
  releases,
it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from cadver.
   
The more I think about it though, the less important I think that
 worry
is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.
   
(Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)
   
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
   
 As is 4.

 This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc
  problem.
 Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and our
 respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued
 strife.)

 (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on
 this
  one.)
 On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
 wrote:

  5 is also fine.
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
 wrote:
 
   I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of
 alleviating
   confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the
 platforms.
  I'd
  rather
   we went to 5 if anything.
   On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
 TECH) 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
   
On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
  wrote:
   
+1

-Chuck

-Original Message-
From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

+1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours
 before
moving
  on.

How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they
 voice it
here,
  in
the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.

@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
stevengil...@gmail.com
 
wrote:

 I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us
 resort
  to
  voting
 to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if
  consensus
is
 split. I don't see that in this scenario.

 I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS
  OPEN
  TECH) 
 panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

  Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone
 feels
 strongly
  about calling it something the vote could be cancelled
 !!
 
  On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz
 cla...@microsoft.com
 wrote:
 
  Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was
 at
  once
  point
  to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a
 version
number.
  Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either
 send
  the
  message
  that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from
 a
  versioning
  perspective (though behavior is still predictable).
 Leo
  - I
  think
  at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the
  CLI
  version
  as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of
 the
  CLI
is
  what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
  3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main
  message
is
  that
 when
  you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
  cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's
 just
  formalizing
  the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
  
  -Chuck
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org
  Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
  Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
  
  I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to
 release
  now.
  

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Andrew Grieve
Should we consider jumping to 13? You know... just prefix a 1 onto the
existing number.



4.0 (or any other number) is great by me!

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

 4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ?
 Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that the issues
 that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and I hope this
 release could help them fast.

 On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com wrote:

 lol... I like that :P
 
 2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:
 
  On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
  
   OR we move to named releases externally.
  
   Cordova MX === 4.0
 
  Cordova Mexico?
 
   On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:
  
4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have been our
  choice
for sure -- but we worried that with the impending cordova-4.0
  releases,
it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from cadver.
   
The more I think about it though, the less important I think that
 worry
is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.
   
(Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)
   
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
   
 As is 4.

 This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc
  problem.
 Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and our
 respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued
 strife.)

 (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on
 this
  one.)
 On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
 wrote:

  5 is also fine.
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
 wrote:
 
   I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of
 alleviating
   confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the
 platforms.
  I'd
  rather
   we went to 5 if anything.
   On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
 TECH) 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
   
On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
  wrote:
   
+1

-Chuck

-Original Message-
From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

+1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours
 before
moving
  on.

How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they
 voice it
here,
  in
the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.

@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
stevengil...@gmail.com
 
wrote:

 I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us
 resort
  to
  voting
 to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if
  consensus
is
 split. I don't see that in this scenario.

 I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS
  OPEN
  TECH) 
 panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

  Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone
 feels
 strongly
  about calling it something the vote could be cancelled
 !!
 
  On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz
 cla...@microsoft.com
 wrote:
 
  Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was
 at
  once
  point
  to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a
 version
number.
  Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either
 send
  the
  message
  that platform versions are divorced from the CLI from
 a
  versioning
  perspective (though behavior is still predictable).
 Leo
  - I
  think
  at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on the
  CLI
  version
  as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of
 the
  CLI
is
  what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
  3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main
  message
is
  that
 when
  you platform add android, you may see an npm pull for
  cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's
 just
  formalizing
  the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
  
  -Chuck
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org
  Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard
  Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
  
  

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Shazron
4.0 and let's move on. It's just a number, and is a minor point in the end.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org
wrote:

 Should we consider jumping to 13? You know... just prefix a 1 onto the
 existing number.

 

 4.0 (or any other number) is great by me!

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
 panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

  4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ?
  Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that the issues
  that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and I hope this
  release could help them fast.
 
  On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  lol... I like that :P
  
  2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:
  
   On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
   
OR we move to named releases externally.
   
Cordova MX === 4.0
  
   Cordova Mexico?
  
On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
 wrote:
   
 4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have been our
   choice
 for sure -- but we worried that with the impending cordova-4.0
   releases,
 it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from cadver.

 The more I think about it though, the less important I think that
  worry
 is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.

 (Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
 wrote:

  As is 4.
 
  This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc
   problem.
  Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and
 our
  respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued
  strife.)
 
  (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on
  this
   one.)
  On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
  wrote:
 
   5 is also fine.
  
   On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
  wrote:
  
I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of
  alleviating
confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the
  platforms.
   I'd
   rather
we went to 5 if anything.
On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
  TECH) 
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)

 On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com
   wrote:

 +1
 
 -Chuck
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
 
 +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours
  before
 moving
   on.
 
 How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they
  voice it
 here,
   in
 the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
 
 @purplecabbage
 risingj.com
 
 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
 stevengil...@gmail.com
  
 wrote:
 
  I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us
  resort
   to
   voting
  to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if
   consensus
 is
  split. I don't see that in this scenario.
 
  I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
 
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan
 (MS
   OPEN
   TECH) 
  panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone
  feels
  strongly
   about calling it something the vote could be
 cancelled
  !!
  
   On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz
  cla...@microsoft.com
  wrote:
  
   Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what was
  at
   once
   point
   to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a
  version
 number.
   Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either
  send
   the
   message
   that platform versions are divorced from the CLI
 from
  a
   versioning
   perspective (though behavior is still predictable).
  Leo
   - I
   think
   at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on
 the
   CLI
   version
   as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version of
  the
   CLI
 is
   what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
   3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The main
   message
 is
   that
  when
   you platform add android, you may see an npm pull
 for
   cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected.  It's
  just
   formalizing
   the message and allows independent platform rev'ing.
 

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Steven Gill
Alright, 4.0.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 4.0 and let's move on. It's just a number, and is a minor point in the end.

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org
 wrote:

  Should we consider jumping to 13? You know... just prefix a 1 onto the
  existing number.
 
  
 
  4.0 (or any other number) is great by me!
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) 
  panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ?
   Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that the issues
   that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and I hope
 this
   release could help them fast.
  
   On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   lol... I like that :P
   
   2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:
   
On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 OR we move to named releases externally.

 Cordova MX === 4.0
   
Cordova Mexico?
   
 On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
  wrote:

  4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have been
 our
choice
  for sure -- but we worried that with the impending cordova-4.0
releases,
  it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from
 cadver.
 
  The more I think about it though, the less important I think
 that
   worry
  is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.
 
  (Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
  wrote:
 
   As is 4.
  
   This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting,
 etc
problem.
   Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver and
  our
   respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued
   strife.)
  
   (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the crowd on
   this
one.)
   On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
   wrote:
  
5 is also fine.
   
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
   wrote:
   
 I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of
   alleviating
 confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the
   platforms.
I'd
rather
 we went to 5 if anything.
 On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
   TECH) 
 panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

  I meant tag and start the vote for the next release :)
 
  On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz 
 cla...@microsoft.com
wrote:
 
  +1
  
  -Chuck
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
  
  +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours
   before
  moving
on.
  
  How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they
   voice it
  here,
in
  the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
  
  @purplecabbage
  risingj.com
  
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
  stevengil...@gmail.com
   
  wrote:
  
   I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to see us
   resort
to
voting
   to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort if
consensus
  is
   split. I don't see that in this scenario.
  
   I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
  
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan
  (MS
OPEN
TECH) 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if someone
   feels
   strongly
about calling it something the vote could be
  cancelled
   !!
   
On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz
   cla...@microsoft.com
   wrote:
   
Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and what
 was
   at
once
point
to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a
   version
  number.
Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - Either
   send
the
message
that platform versions are divorced from the CLI
  from
   a
versioning
perspective (though behavior is still
 predictable).
   Leo
- I
think
at least out of the gate devs will likely focus on
  the
CLI
version
as primary.  Basically today, the cadence version
 of
   the
CLI
  is
what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS.  The
 main

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Josh Soref
Ok, 4.0

On 10/10/14, 2:08 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote:

Alright, 4.0.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:

 4.0 and let's move on. It's just a number, and is a minor point in the
end.

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org
 wrote:

  Should we consider jumping to 13? You know... just prefix a 1 onto the
  existing number.
 
  
 
  4.0 (or any other number) is great by me!
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)

  panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ?
   Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that the
issues
   that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and I hope
 this
   release could help them fast.
  
   On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   lol... I like that :P
   
   2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:
   
On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

 OR we move to named releases externally.

 Cordova MX === 4.0
   
Cordova Mexico?
   
 On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
  wrote:

  4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have
been
 our
choice
  for sure -- but we worried that with the impending
cordova-4.0
releases,
  it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from
 cadver.
 
  The more I think about it though, the less important I think
 that
   worry
  is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.
 
  (Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
  wrote:
 
   As is 4.
  
   This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting,
 etc
problem.
   Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver
and
  our
   respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued
   strife.)
  
   (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the
crowd on
   this
one.)
   On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny
mmo...@chromium.org
   wrote:
  
5 is also fine.
   
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux
b...@brian.io
   wrote:
   
 I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of
   alleviating
 confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the
   platforms.
I'd
rather
 we went to 5 if anything.
 On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
   TECH) 
 panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

  I meant tag and start the vote for the next release
:)
 
  On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz 
 cla...@microsoft.com
wrote:
 
  +1
  
  -Chuck
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
  To: dev@cordova.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
  
  +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72
hours
   before
  moving
on.
  
  How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0
they
   voice it
  here,
in
  the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
  
  @purplecabbage
  risingj.com
  
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
  stevengil...@gmail.com
   
  wrote:
  
   I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to
see us
   resort
to
voting
   to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort
if
consensus
  is
   split. I don't see that in this scenario.
  
   I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
  
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram
Narasimhan
  (MS
OPEN
TECH) 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if
someone
   feels
   strongly
about calling it something the vote could be
  cancelled
   !!
   
On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz
   cla...@microsoft.com
   wrote:
   
Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and
what
 was
   at
once
point
to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a
   version
  number.
Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 -
Either
   send
the
message
that platform versions are divorced from the
CLI
  from
   a
versioning
perspective (though behavior is still
 predictable).
   Leo
- I
think
at least out of the gate devs will likely
focus on
  the
CLI
version
as primary.  Basically today, the cadence
version
 of
   the
CLI
  is
what people talk about.  Heck, Cordova
  

[GitHub] cordova-coho pull request: [CB-7744] Add support for git-depth fla...

2014-10-10 Thread purplecabbage
Github user purplecabbage commented on the pull request:

https://github.com/apache/cordova-coho/pull/52#issuecomment-58695256
  
We should stop closing issues from other repositories, since @asfgit 
closing it does not give us any more info.
Looking at cordova-coho and elsewhere, I still see no mention of 52, so 
this one is a mystery.
Here is a 'multi repo close issues' commit message:
```
close apache/cordova-lib#94
close #39
close apache/cordova-android#120
close apache/cordova-android#123
```
At least a practice of only closing from the repo with the pull request 
would make this a bit easier to track down.  Magic is powerful, use it wisely.


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[GitHub] cordova-coho pull request: [CB-7744] Add support for git-depth fla...

2014-10-10 Thread sgrebnov
Github user sgrebnov commented on the pull request:

https://github.com/apache/cordova-coho/pull/52#issuecomment-58696669
  
@agrieve, @purplecabbage  thx for looking on this! 
I've asked @MariaBukharina to send PR one more time w/o 'd' alias for 
'--depth' arg since we use -d for debug in other places. 


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Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
4.0! woo hoo.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote:

 Ok, 4.0

 On 10/10/14, 2:08 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Alright, 4.0.
 
 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  4.0 and let's move on. It's just a number, and is a minor point in the
 end.
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org
  wrote:
 
   Should we consider jumping to 13? You know... just prefix a 1 onto the
   existing number.
  
   
  
   4.0 (or any other number) is great by me!
  
   On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ?
Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that the
 issues
that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and I hope
  this
release could help them fast.
   
On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   
lol... I like that :P

2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:

 On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
 
  OR we move to named releases externally.
 
  Cordova MX === 4.0

 Cordova Mexico?

  On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org
   wrote:
 
   4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have
 been
  our
 choice
   for sure -- but we worried that with the impending
 cordova-4.0
 releases,
   it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from
  cadver.
  
   The more I think about it though, the less important I think
  that
worry
   is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.
  
   (Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)
  
   On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
   wrote:
  
As is 4.
   
This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting,
  etc
 problem.
Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver
 and
   our
respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued
strife.)
   
(All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the
 crowd on
this
 one.)
On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny
 mmo...@chromium.org
wrote:
   
 5 is also fine.

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux
 b...@brian.io
wrote:

  I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of
alleviating
  confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the
platforms.
 I'd
 rather
  we went to 5 if anything.
  On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
TECH) 
  panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   I meant tag and start the vote for the next release
 :)
  
   On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz 
  cla...@microsoft.com
 wrote:
  
   +1
   
   -Chuck
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
   To: dev@cordova.apache.org
   Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary
   
   +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72
 hours
before
   moving
 on.
   
   How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0
 they
voice it
   here,
 in
   the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.
   
   @purplecabbage
   risingj.com
   
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
   stevengil...@gmail.com

   wrote:
   
I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to
 see us
resort
 to
 voting
to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort
 if
 consensus
   is
split. I don't see that in this scenario.
   
I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.
   
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram
 Narasimhan
   (MS
 OPEN
 TECH) 
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if
 someone
feels
strongly
 about calling it something the vote could be
   cancelled
!!

 On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz
cla...@microsoft.com
wrote:

 Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and
 what
  was
at
 once
 point
 to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a
version
   number.
 Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 -
 Either
send
 the
 message
 that platform versions are divorced from the
 CLI
   from
a
 versioning
 perspective (though behavior is 

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Jesse
I am sure Microsoft had a much longer discussion before deciding on Windows
10, and probably the same goes for Android L

Happy to be moving ...

@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:

 4.0! woo hoo.

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote:

  Ok, 4.0
 
  On 10/10/14, 2:08 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Alright, 4.0.
  
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   4.0 and let's move on. It's just a number, and is a minor point in the
  end.
  
   On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org
 
   wrote:
  
Should we consider jumping to 13? You know... just prefix a 1 onto
 the
existing number.
   

   
4.0 (or any other number) is great by me!
   
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
 TECH)
  
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ?
 Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that the
  issues
 that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and I
 hope
   this
 release could help them fast.

 On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 lol... I like that :P
 
 2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:
 
  On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
  
   OR we move to named releases externally.
  
   Cordova MX === 4.0
 
  Cordova Mexico?
 
   On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny 
 mmo...@chromium.org
wrote:
  
4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have
  been
   our
  choice
for sure -- but we worried that with the impending
  cordova-4.0
  releases,
it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from
   cadver.
   
The more I think about it though, the less important I
 think
   that
 worry
is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.
   
(Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with)
   
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io
 
wrote:
   
 As is 4.

 This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging,
 tweeting,
   etc
  problem.
 Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho
 semver
  and
our
 respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our
 continued
 strife.)

 (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the
  crowd on
 this
  one.)
 On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny
  mmo...@chromium.org
 wrote:

  5 is also fine.
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux
  b...@brian.io
 wrote:
 
   I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of
 alleviating
   confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the
 platforms.
  I'd
  rather
   we went to 5 if anything.
   On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS
 OPEN
 TECH) 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
I meant tag and start the vote for the next release
  :)
   
On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz 
   cla...@microsoft.com
  wrote:
   
+1

-Chuck

-Original Message-
From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

+1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72
  hours
 before
moving
  on.

How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0
  they
 voice it
here,
  in
the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.

@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
stevengil...@gmail.com
 
wrote:

 I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to
  see us
 resort
  to
  voting
 to solve problems. Voting should be a last
 resort
  if
  consensus
is
 split. I don't see that in this scenario.

 I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0.

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram
  Narasimhan
(MS
  OPEN
  TECH) 
 panar...@microsoft.com wrote:

  Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if
  someone
 feels
 strongly
  about calling it something the vote could be
cancelled
 !!
 
  On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, Chuck Lantz
 cla...@microsoft.com
 wrote:
  

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Chuck Lantz
Yeah we were joking that we were fine with Apache Cordova 10, but not Apache 
Cordova X --- ACX is too Apple.  :)

-Chuck

-Original Message-
From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:37 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

I am sure Microsoft had a much longer discussion before deciding on Windows 10, 
and probably the same goes for Android L

Happy to be moving ...

@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:

 4.0! woo hoo.

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote:

  Ok, 4.0
 
  On 10/10/14, 2:08 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Alright, 4.0.
  
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   4.0 and let's move on. It's just a number, and is a minor point 
  in the end.
  
   On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Andrew Grieve 
   agri...@chromium.org
 
   wrote:
  
Should we consider jumping to 13? You know... just prefix a 1 
onto
 the
existing number.
   

   
4.0 (or any other number) is great by me!
   
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN
 TECH)
  
panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
   
 4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ?
 Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that 
 the
  issues
 that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and 
 I
 hope
   this
 release could help them fast.

 On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 lol... I like that :P
 
 2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:
 
  On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
  
   OR we move to named releases externally.
  
   Cordova MX === 4.0
 
  Cordova Mexico?
 
   On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, Michal Mocny 
 mmo...@chromium.org
wrote:
  
4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would 
have
  been
   our
  choice
for sure -- but we worried that with the impending
  cordova-4.0
  releases,
it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure 
from
   cadver.
   
The more I think about it though, the less important I
 think
   that
 worry
is.  Maybe 4.0 is fine.
   
(Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over 
with)
   
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux 
b...@brian.io
 
wrote:
   
 As is 4.

 This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging,
 tweeting,
   etc
  problem.
 Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho
 semver
  and
our
 respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our
 continued
 strife.)

 (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of 
 the
  crowd on
 this
  one.)
 On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, Michal Mocny
  mmo...@chromium.org
 wrote:

  5 is also fine.
 
  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux
  b...@brian.io
 wrote:
 
   I am against it. Its not going to achieve the 
   goal of
 alleviating
   confusion. People see the CLI as the version not 
   the
 platforms.
  I'd
  rather
   we went to 5 if anything.
   On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan 
   (MS
 OPEN
 TECH) 
   panar...@microsoft.com wrote:
  
I meant tag and start the vote for the next 
release
  :)
   
On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz 
   cla...@microsoft.com
  wrote:
   
+1

-Chuck

-Original Message-
From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Independent platform release 
summary

+1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 
+72
  hours
 before
moving
  on.

How about if anyone is completely against 
10.0.0
  they
 voice it
here,
  in
the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward.

@purplecabbage risingj.com

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill 
stevengil...@gmail.com
 
wrote:

 I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate 
 to
  see us
 resort
  to
  voting
 to solve problems. Voting should be a last
 resort
  if
  consensus
is
 split. I don't see that in this scenario.

 I propose we bumb the version 

Re: [GitHub] cordova-coho pull request: [CB-7744] Add support for git-depth fla...

2014-10-10 Thread Andrew Grieve
Good call.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:14 PM, purplecabbage g...@git.apache.org wrote:

 Github user purplecabbage commented on the pull request:

 https://github.com/apache/cordova-coho/pull/52#issuecomment-58695256

 We should stop closing issues from other repositories, since @asfgit
 closing it does not give us any more info.
 Looking at cordova-coho and elsewhere, I still see no mention of 52,
 so this one is a mystery.
 Here is a 'multi repo close issues' commit message:
 ```
 close apache/cordova-lib#94
 close #39
 close apache/cordova-android#120
 close apache/cordova-android#123
 ```
 At least a practice of only closing from the repo with the pull
 request would make this a bit easier to track down.  Magic is powerful, use
 it wisely.


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[GitHub] cordova-plugin-globalization pull request: [CB-7766] Add quirk not...

2014-10-10 Thread martincgg
GitHub user martincgg opened a pull request:

https://github.com/apache/cordova-plugin-globalization/pull/28

[CB-7766] Add quirk note about android  navigator.globalization.dateToString

A note to clarify, that the value obtained using dateToString uses the
UTS#35 and is not completely aligned with ICU standard.

You can merge this pull request into a Git repository by running:

$ git pull https://github.com/martincgg/cordova-plugin-globalization CB-7766

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https://github.com/apache/cordova-plugin-globalization/pull/28.patch

To close this pull request, make a commit to your master/trunk branch
with (at least) the following in the commit message:

This closes #28


commit 586c50c8a94f759fbb61053e37c54af54439869f
Author: Martin Gonzalez martin.c.glez.g...@gmail.com
Date:   2014-10-10T22:01:40Z

[CB-7766] Add quirk note about android dateToString

A note to clarify, that the value obtained using dateToString uses the
UTS#35 and is not completely aligned with ICU standard.




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[Vote] Tools Release

2014-10-10 Thread Steven Gill
Please review and vote on this Tools Release.

Release issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7661

Tools have been published to
dist/dev:https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/cordova/CB-7661/

The packages were published from their corresponding git tags:

cordova-js: 3.7.1 (f5046c9665)
cordova-lib: 4.0.0 (f5db3d13d5)
cordova-plugman: 0.22.12 (203706aac1)
cordova-cli: 4.0.0 (0fb8fbb189)


Upon a successful vote I will upload the archives to dist/, publish
them to NPM under the latest tag, and post the corresponding blog
post.

Voting guidelines:
https://github.com/apache/cordova-coho/blob/master/docs/release-voting.md

Voting will go on for a minimum of 48 hours.

I vote +1:
* Ran coho audit-license-headers over the relevant repos
* Ran coho check-license to ensure all dependencies and
subdependencies have Apache-compatible licenses
* Ensured continuous build was green when repos were tagged


Re: [VOTE] Plugins Release Oct 3, 2014

2014-10-10 Thread Steven Gill
We need one more vote to publish

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Sergey Grebnov (Akvelon) 
v-seg...@microsoft.com wrote:

 I vote +1
 *   Verified signatures and hashes
 *   Verified tags
 *   Checked plugin functionality with mobilespec app for windows and
 wp8 platforms
 *   Checked release notes

 Thx!
 Sergey
 -Original Message-
 From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 4:22 AM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Subject: [VOTE] Plugins Release Oct 3, 2014

 Please review and vote on the release of this plugins release.

 Release issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7699

 The plugins have been published to
 dist/dev:https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/cordova/CB-7699/

 The packages were published from their corresponding git tags:
 cordova-plugin-camera: 0.3.3 (021743f20e)
 cordova-plugin-contacts: 0.2.14 (a9df3c4fa0)
 cordova-plugin-file-transfer: 0.4.7 (d0d8698af1)
 cordova-plugin-globalization: 0.3.2 (6485890999)
 cordova-plugin-inappbrowser: 0.5.2 (8ce6b497fa)
 cordova-plugin-media: 0.2.14 (35ab3af539)
 cordova-plugin-media-capture: 0.3.4 (852a053993)
 cordova-plugin-network-information: 0.2.13 (056c6dddaf)
 cordova-plugin-splashscreen: 0.3.4 (b46cdca795)

 Upon a successful vote I will upload the archives to dist/, upload them to
 the Plugins Registry, and post the corresponding blog post.

 Voting guidelines:
 https://github.com/apache/cordova-coho/blob/master/docs/release-voting.md

 Voting will go on for a minimum of 48 hours.

 I vote +1:
 * Ran coho audit-license-headers over the relevant repos
 * Used `license-checker` to ensure all dependencies have Apache-compatible
 licenses

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Re: [VOTE] Plugins Release Oct 3, 2014

2014-10-10 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
+1

Verified Signatures, tags and functionality.

On 10/10/14, 3:50 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote:

We need one more vote to publish

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Sergey Grebnov (Akvelon) 
v-seg...@microsoft.com wrote:

 I vote +1
 *   Verified signatures and hashes
 *   Verified tags
 *   Checked plugin functionality with mobilespec app for windows and
 wp8 platforms
 *   Checked release notes

 Thx!
 Sergey
 -Original Message-
 From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 4:22 AM
 To: dev@cordova.apache.org
 Subject: [VOTE] Plugins Release Oct 3, 2014

 Please review and vote on the release of this plugins release.

 Release issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7699

 The plugins have been published to
 dist/dev:https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/cordova/CB-7699/

 The packages were published from their corresponding git tags:
 cordova-plugin-camera: 0.3.3 (021743f20e)
 cordova-plugin-contacts: 0.2.14 (a9df3c4fa0)
 cordova-plugin-file-transfer: 0.4.7 (d0d8698af1)
 cordova-plugin-globalization: 0.3.2 (6485890999)
 cordova-plugin-inappbrowser: 0.5.2 (8ce6b497fa)
 cordova-plugin-media: 0.2.14 (35ab3af539)
 cordova-plugin-media-capture: 0.3.4 (852a053993)
 cordova-plugin-network-information: 0.2.13 (056c6dddaf)
 cordova-plugin-splashscreen: 0.3.4 (b46cdca795)

 Upon a successful vote I will upload the archives to dist/, upload them
to
 the Plugins Registry, and post the corresponding blog post.

 Voting guidelines:
 
https://github.com/apache/cordova-coho/blob/master/docs/release-voting.md

 Voting will go on for a minimum of 48 hours.

 I vote +1:
 * Ran coho audit-license-headers over the relevant repos
 * Used `license-checker` to ensure all dependencies have
Apache-compatible
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Re: iOS 8.1 testing

2014-10-10 Thread Shazron
Thanks Edna!

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Edna Y Morales eymor...@us.ibm.com
wrote:


 I have gone through the mobilespec tests on 8.1 beta 2 and so far
 everything is looking good. Looks like the only API diffs are methods and
 constants that got added.

 Thanks,
 Edna Morales


[iOS] tests

2014-10-10 Thread Shazron
They have been converted to jasmine.

Right now there are two test suites:
1. cordova-lib tests (runs the unit tests)
2. create tests (tests different ways to create a project)


[GitHub] cordova-plugin-geolocation pull request: iOS: Clearing all Watches...

2014-10-10 Thread shazron
Github user shazron commented on the pull request:


https://github.com/apache/cordova-plugin-geolocation/pull/25#issuecomment-58731667
  
Please file an issue for Android at:
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB

... so it can be tracked and evaluated by the devs, and you can be notified.

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[GitHub] cordova-android pull request: Ignore --device option in Android bu...

2014-10-10 Thread dpogue
GitHub user dpogue opened a pull request:

https://github.com/apache/cordova-android/pull/127

Ignore --device option in Android build

iOS uses the `--device` flag to indicate that it should build for the 
device rather than the simulator. Until recently, Android simply ignored this 
option. Now it throws an error.

This causes problems for people targeting multiple platforms with the CLI 
tools, because a command like `cordova build --release --device` will now fail 
on Android, rather than building both Android and iOS versions of the app.

**Simple test case:**

```bash
$ cordova init myapp
$ cd ./myapp
$ cordova platform add ios android
$ cordova build --release --device --verbose
```

You can merge this pull request into a Git repository by running:

$ git pull https://github.com/dpogue/cordova-android patch-1

Alternatively you can review and apply these changes as the patch at:

https://github.com/apache/cordova-android/pull/127.patch

To close this pull request, make a commit to your master/trunk branch
with (at least) the following in the commit message:

This closes #127


commit 138b24b6865a37ebbc08336c23117629f961cd83
Author: Darryl Pogue dvpdin...@gmail.com
Date:   2014-10-11T05:04:17Z

Ignore --device option in android build

iOS uses the `--device` flag to indicate that it should build for the
device rather than the simulator. Until recently, Android simply ignored
this option. Now it throws an error.

This causes problems for people targeting multiple platforms with the CLI
tools, because a command like `cordova build --release --device` will now
fail on Android, rather than building both Android and iOS versions of the
app.




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