[marketing-dev] Re: Team OpenOffice

[Martin Hollmichel]

On 06/02/2011 04:42 PM, WorldLabel.com wrote:
> Hi
>  
> Does anyone know who is in charge of the funds at Team Openoffice.org?
>  
> I sent funds for a extension contest and then a ALA exhibition, both
> did not happen. I would like the funds returned.
we (Team OpenOffice.org) will contact you offlist for the details,
>  
> At somepoint when we know the exact direction OOo is going it, would
> be happy to help sponsor events again.
>  
> Russell
Martin

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[marketing] Re: [council-budget] Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing

[martin . hollmichel]

Florian Effenberger schrieb:

Hi Peter,

Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-11 08.06:


as Florian also accepted this request, I think I will be able to go
ahead the OOo birthday party tomorrow. Yes?

How to proceed? Just spending the money and sending in the invoice for
reimbursement?


from my side, yes. This request has been authorized by the authorizers 
and approved by the budget holder. Matthias, Martin, or anyone else 
from TeamOOo/treasurer, can you confirm?

Yes,

Martin



Thanks,
Florian



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Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing

[Martin Hollmichel]

 Am 06.10.2010 20:01, schrieb Martin Hollmichel:

the that I receiced
superflous words and letters, sorry for that, was fighting with repaint 
problems of my mail program,


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Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing

[Martin Hollmichel]

 Hi Charles,

I'm not Stefan, but I will try to answer:

You and some other made a quite clear statement and move. I acknowledge 
the that I receiced that your way is not longer my way. I'm sorry about 
this but I accept your decision say farewell. Now you're requesting a 
dialog started by me and I'm confused. If things have changed on your 
side, please let me know.


Martin

Am 06.10.2010 19:39, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:

Hello Stefan,


Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:09:02 +0200,
Martin Hollmichel  a écrit :


   Gi,

Am 06.10.2010 18:19, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:

Hello Martin,

Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200,
Martin Hollmichel   a écrit :


Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

Hi Peter,

Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34:


despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for
OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the
Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would
like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of
the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event.

I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current
things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting
money from the budget.

Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other
project which had so far also a seat in the community council
(http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for
others to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will
look into this request asap,

If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I
don't remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on
OpenOffice.org

sorry, I don't remember any community fork driven by a member of the
community council. I don't see a conflict of interest if a community
member who decides to contribute to both: the fork and it's parent.

But Stefan, here's what's really appalling: all the members of the CC
who do not work for Oracle choose to go, and you call that a fork, file
and rank it in the fork category as if everything was normal. That is a
serious lack of...interest/pedagogy/feeling/ and many other things.

On the other hand, I'm not saying that I and others are going to
continue at the CC as if nothing has ever happened. I/we will leave,
but please do yourself a favour, don't act as if you're kicking us out,
please do favour the dialogue first.


but I don't think that this applies for leaders of the different
project and no way claiming that you can have a leading role for both
projects. for me this a classic example for a conflict of interest.

Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the
dialogue as it is now. Please advise.


sorry, must be my German mentality:  ("Bestimmte Sachen tut man
einfach nicht, auch wenn sie juristisch erlaubt sind. Das hat was mit
Anstand zu tun") Some thing you don't do, even if there are legally
allowed. It's a matter of personal integrity. In Germany it is also
good pratice, when in doubt of a conflict of interest, that you
inform your partners in advance and ask for their opinion,

Conflict of interests are indeed not something we wish for. But I
disagree that my personal integrity or the one of the TDF members are
at stake here: our community is so disfunctional and so broken (before
TDF) that we knew we had no option but going forward. German mentality
as well: fix everything that's broken, and don't let it linger .

Best,
Charles.



But I'm looking forward what others will say about this.

best,
Charles.


Martin


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Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing

[Martin Hollmichel]

 Gi,

Am 06.10.2010 18:19, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:

Hello Martin,

Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200,
Martin Hollmichel  a écrit :


   Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

Hi Peter,

Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34:


despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's
10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux
User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a
subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing
Project budget to support this little event.

I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current
things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting
money from the budget.

Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other
project which had so far also a seat in the community council
(http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for others
to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will look into
this request asap,


If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I don't
remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on
OpenOffice.org
sorry, I don't remember any community fork driven by a member of the 
community council. I don't see a conflict of interest if a community 
member who decides to contribute to both: the fork and it's parent. but 
I don't think that this applies for leaders of the different project and 
no way claiming that you can have a leading role for both projects. for 
me this a classic example for a conflict of interest.

Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the
dialogue as it is now. Please advise.

sorry, must be my German mentality:  ("Bestimmte Sachen tut man einfach 
nicht, auch wenn sie juristisch erlaubt sind. Das hat was mit Anstand zu 
tun") Some thing you don't do, even if there are legally allowed. It's a 
matter of personal integrity. In Germany it is also good pratice, when 
in doubt of a conflict of interest, that you  inform your partners in 
advance and ask for their opinion,


But I'm looking forward what others will say about this.

best,
Charles.


Martin


Martin

Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation.

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Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing

[Martin Hollmichel]

 Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

Hi Peter,

Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34:


despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th
birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group
on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to
150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support
this little event.


I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things 
going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from 
the budget.
Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other project 
which had so far also a seat in the community council 
(http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for others to 
step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will look into this 
request asap,


Martin


Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation.

Florian




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Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Martin Hollmichel]

 Drew,

Am 04.10.2010 20:19, schrieb Drew Jensen:

 On 10/04/2010 01:54 PM, Ian wrote:

On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:45 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:

An important point indeed is that both side keep the constructive 
dialog

open and trying to find compromises between their different objectives.

What are the different objectives of the two projects in your view
Martin?


Yes Please - I would be most interested in what you perceive the 
different objectives to be.
maybe you should read the announcement and faq of the Document 
Foundation, there I would expect the objectives of that project 
explained. If you don't understand those, ask them but not me,


If I may add one more thing - this from one of the primary marketing 
pieces on the OO.o site:


---
It's hard to believe that high quality,
easy to use software like OpenOffice.org 3 can really be free.

But thanks to contributions of time and money, from individuals and 
companies (large and small), OpenOffice.org is free for you to use today.


Furthermore, the open-source licence used by OpenOffice.org 3 means 
this freedom can never be taken away.


The OpenOffice.org community are delighted if you find our software of 
use.

-

During my time here Sun, then Oracle, was continually referred to as 
the primary sponsor of the community, not the community itself.


If Oracle no longer feels that it's objectives are in alignment with 
those of the community at large, and therefore no longer willing to 
sponsor the OpenOffice.org Community, then I believe it best to make 
that statement publicly, clearly and without obfuscation.


The representatives of that other Project got an answer to their letter 
to Oracle, I honestly don't know if they made this public or not but I 
assume so.
Naturally the corporation is free to retain the registered domain name 
and trademark which are it's property. Although as one community 
member I would ask again for Oracle Corp to make those assets 
available to the OpenOffice.org Community.


Please understand that I again speak only for myself.

Looking forward to your reply.

Sincerely,

Drew Jensen


Martin

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Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Martin Hollmichel]

 Am 04.10.2010 19:10, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:

Andreas, Luiz,

Let's take a step back. Obviously verbal assault does not help and
should not be tolerated. So let's breathe a bit and calm down.

Andreas, whatever your views are on what happened, please understand
that we, the people of the Document Foundation, are OpenOffice.org just
as much as you are. You may be upset about what happened, perhaps even
hate me and others, (and I understand you would be) but the fact is:
there is no other world than this one. And in this one, the
OpenOffice.org community has decided to move on to a next level, and
it's called the Document Foundation.  For the record, Oracle and the
Document Foundation are very committed to dialogue between each other,
so I'm not calling this a fork yet. And besides, when a project is
moving on while its main sponsor isn't, the fork might rather be
attributed to the latter... but I digress.
This looks like you've got frightened by your own courage. Please face 
the facts: you and some other people have decided to fork the project. 
That happens from time to time in open source projects and is itself 
nothing to get frightened of.
An important point indeed is that both side keep the constructive dialog 
open and trying to find compromises between their different objectives. 
And they might find out then, if the different objective a worth to 
maintain the fork or not.
We know that there were items we need to discuss about but obviously you 
don't saw the need for it anymore, since you had in Budapest tons of 
opportunities to do so.  I still see possibilities to address many 
issues we have within the established rules of the project and I'm open 
for discussion, so it's your decision on how to move forward,


Martin

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Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Martin Hollmichel]

What I wanted to clarify is that it would be unwise to prohibit
discussions on the OOo lists about TDF. It would be unwise and you
would give the most blatant illustration that OOo is not a true
project, and simply a product. Both of us know that's not the right way
to work this out.

nobody prohibits discussions about the relation of OpenOffice.org to 
it's derivatives and forks but so far it was good habbit the the work of 
any derived product happens elsewhere but not here.
Within the OpenOffice.org we want to work on common ground, but not 
about strategies and deliverables of derived products like NeoOffice, 
OxygeneOffice, Lotus Symphony, StarOffice/Oracle Open Office, etc. So it 
is you trying to change the established rules of the OpenOffice.org 
project to promote your derivative and not the OOo project is changing 
it's rules,


 Martin


Best,

Charles-H. Schulz.



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Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Martin Hollmichel]

 Am 04.10.2010 15:33, schrieb Paula Carmichael:

Checked the Logo and just want to say it is very balanced and tells the story 
creatively.  GOOD JOB to all on this project.
huh ? I don't understand how this logo can be considered as balanced, 
The DocumentFoundation has it's own product, and this is not 
OpenOffice.org, (/me is thinking of a similar campaign for say, 
Macs, prepared for the future by the independent and consumer driven 
Bung company ;-))


Martin

Paula Carmichael





Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:46:55 +0200
From: m...@openoffice.org
To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org
Subject: Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for 
approval

Hi Bernhard,

Am 02.10.2010 00:55, schrieb Bernhard Dippold:

Hi all,

if I counted correctly, there have been 9 clear +1 votes and 4 mainly
positive reactions with some questions / reservation.

In my eyes this qualifies the logo to be called "official".

Bernhard Dippold schrieb:

Based on a design by Miguel Boto, a new member of the Art Project, I
created a logo that I request approval as official 10th anniverary
logo for:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOo10.png

Due to the present situation in our community with the new Document
Foundation creating a legal community driven entity able to protect
our community's rights and broadening support to people and
organizations not willing to contribute to a single company steered
project, I added a badge to the logo:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOo10_DFbadge.png


issues regarding the Document Foundation should be discussed within that
project, not within OpenOffice.org.
I consider such marketing materials as a conflict of interests between
two projects with different objectives. I'd appreciate the removal of
that material and also would expect the discussion of LibreOffice
related issues to happen elsewhere but not here.

Martin


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Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval

[Martin Hollmichel]

 Hi Bernhard,

Am 02.10.2010 00:55, schrieb Bernhard Dippold:

Hi all,

if I counted correctly, there have been 9 clear +1 votes and 4 mainly
positive reactions with some questions / reservation.

In my eyes this qualifies the logo to be called "official".

Bernhard Dippold schrieb:


Based on a design by Miguel Boto, a new member of the Art Project, I
created a logo that I request approval as official 10th anniverary
logo for:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOo10.png


Due to the present situation in our community with the new Document 
Foundation creating a legal community driven entity able to protect 
our community's rights and broadening support to people and 
organizations not willing to contribute to a single company steered 
project, I added a badge to the logo:


http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOo10_DFbadge.png

issues regarding the Document Foundation should be discussed within that 
project, not within OpenOffice.org.
I consider such marketing materials as a conflict of interests between 
two projects with different objectives. I'd appreciate the removal of 
that material and also would expect the discussion of LibreOffice 
related issues to happen elsewhere but not here.


Martin


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[marketing] status of the 2004 SWOT based recommendations

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

in 2004 the strategic marketing plan was issued 
(http://marketing.openoffice.org/strategy/) with goals for 2010. So the 
time for a review has come. As start I created 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Smp_status_2010 for collecting 
a status of the recommendation done in 2004.


Some interesting question are coming up:

* should we update the plan ?
* Is the discussion wrt OOoLite still an issue ?
* ...

Maybe some of the contributors to the plan are able to review their 
recommendations and update the status in the wiki,


Martin


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Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

[Martin Hollmichel]

Juergen Schmidt wrote:

Thorsten Behrens wrote:

Martin Hollmichel wrote:

again from my point of view there is no need, simply use the icons
as they are. As far as i know the icons were already suggested to
OASIS to become the default icon. Maybe it will change who knows
but then we should use the new ones, important is to use the
default ODF icons without any changes.

I'm not sure if I really understand your point why it is important
to have icons without any change, I can imagine that it will be
difficult enough to get an agreement of all teams (KDE, Gnome and
OpenOffice.org team) on an unified style at all, I would be fine if
there would are slight differences for the icons if the artistists
say they need to do some adoption to make them smoothly integrated
into their specific icon themes.


Indeed. Jürgen, as Michael already pointed out: we'll need to lobby
for that icon idea *first*. And believe me, not even providing an 
easy way to exchange colors is gonna fly in Linux land - just compare 
the totally different icon themes in e.g. Gnome and KDE (in
the shapes, and metaphors used - and not even mentioning Moblin, 
Maemo etc.).
Designers *will* veto anything that'll make their theme visually 
inconsistent, ask Stella.


i understand it and it is probably not easy to achieve. But i pointed 
out my personal opinion and that is to use the default icons as they 
are. Ok, maybe we need some more icons to address different design 
principals in general (e.g. Gnome, KDE). In case of OOo we would need 
all icons for the different themes as well, correct?
The general idea of unique icons for ODF is a good one and we should 
better do promotion for it. Yes it would have been better to do this 
first and involve more people and groups. I can't change it and i 
wasn't involved too but i see the message and the idea behind it and 
that is worth to support.
Are the icons really so bad? 
No, I think those icons are excellent, but I'm not the person who should 
judge about this since my preferred user interface is still the command 
line ;-).
We need contact to the artist teams of KDE and Gnome and get their 
feedback,
Or is it more a breached ego and of course the mistake that is was 
done behind the doors? I think the lesson is learned!


As long as I can be sure that the right people are sitting behind the 
door, I'm fine with it, do we know whom to contact in the KDE and Gnome 
artist teams ?


Juergen



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Re: [marketing] ODF desktop icons for OOo (without OOo branding ATM) - volunteers?

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,




To clarify what I wrote, ODF is used by many apps.  However, to address
your point, Juergen, we can focus on OOo.  OOo is provided by many
distros.  Each of those distros has at least one icon theme.  Those
themes have basic colors.  There are usually two main colors to a theme,
sometimes just one.

It would encourage adoption of the icons if it were easy for the theme
maintainers to use the icons but with their own colors.
again from my point of view there is no need, simply use the icons as 
they are. As far as i know the icons were already suggested to OASIS 
to become the default icon. Maybe it will change who knows but then we 
should use the new ones, important is to use the default ODF icons 
without any changes.
I'm not sure if I really understand your point why it is important to 
have icons without any change, I can imagine that it will be difficult 
enough to get an agreement of all teams (KDE, Gnome and OpenOffice.org 
team) on an unified style at all, I would be fine if there would are 
slight differences for the icons if the artistists say they need to do 
some adoption to make them smoothly integrated into their specific icon 
themes.


Martin


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[marketing] Re: [dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project

[Martin Hollmichel]

eric.bachard wrote:

[please continue the discussion on the d...@openoffice.org mailing list]

Hi all,

Proposal :

The OpenOffice.org Education Project proposes to drive the following 
experimentation :


- create a dedicated branch in the OOo source code repository (means 
hosted by OOo Project) for a 7-12 years software, derivated from 
OpenOffice.org, and made and maintained by OpenOffice.org project.

I like and support this idea,
Formally : create a new branch, completely independent of , including 
milestones, like OOo does
what do you mean by completly independent ? I would expect that this 
branch should kept in sync with OOo releases ?

- work with schools and students to improve the software
- innovate about performances and cooperate with the performance 
project in this area

- (add your idea)

Resources : to be defined, but the non profit association EducOOo ( 
http://www.educoo.org ) is already candidate to manage that 
(e.g.receive sponsoring for the software, machines for students, and 
so on).



Martin


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Re: [marketing] Re: [qa-dev] upcoming release of PDF Import extension 1.0

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi Goetz,

I did some changes to 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pdf_Import_Extension/Announcement 
to make clear that the main feature that is ready now to release the 
hybrid PDF format.


additionally we're able to import raw PDF files. In this area we have 
known issues and we'll not be a full replacement for layout programs.


so I would define as release criteria for 1.0:

* hybrid PDF needs to work for all Ooo application
* native PDF import has known limitations

Martin

Goetz Wohlberg wrote:

Hi,

Malte made a very good point. The PDF Import Extension has two main 
features. One is the PDF Import and the second is the Hybrid PDF. 
Hybrid PDF is clearly ready for prime time and was already in Beta. 
You could argue that Hybrid PDF with OpenOffice.org is actually the 
better PDF as the PDF round trip is now possible with this extension.


When I look at the feature list, PDF import made significant progress. 
For example I think opening password-protected PDF files is pretty 
cool. Of course there will always be PDF documents that can't be 
imported accurately as PDF is not designed for editing. And we also 
can't compete yet with PDF Editors based on OCR technology. But those 
apps can't compete with our price ;.) and don't have Hybrid PDF.


Stefan mentioned that users might be disappointed when they try the 
"final" PDF Import extension. This is a valid point. To set the right 
expectation we created the feature list and the list of non supported 
features. Users now have a chance to read first what they can expect.


You could argue that we should implement feature xyz first and then 
call it "Final". I'm sure that we find even more features if we have 
done so.  And there is one more point I'd like to make. There are a 
number of users that don't touch Beta versions. This extension is in 
Beta for one year now! So it's time that a few more users try PDF 
editing and learn about Hybrid PDF!


With the recent improvements in PDF editing, the mature Hybrid PDF 
feature and the list of supported and non support features I think 
it's time for a PDF Import Extension 1.0.


Goetz



Malte Timmermann schrieb:

If you integrate PDF import into OOo, users might start thinking that
PDF would be just an other document format, and maybe start complaining
why certain documents don't work.

They will see PDF as "yet an other document format" because they can use
file/open - how bad!

IMHO, file/open should only work with hybrid PDF files, where the ODF is
included, but not for normal PDF. Normal PDF should work via import.

IIRC, the reason that you can use hybrid PDF only when import PDF
extension is installed was that UX said people wouldn't understand that
they sometimes can use file/open for PDF, sometimes not.

Might be difficult to explain to the user, not sure, but I would have
preferred to always have the Hybrid PDF feature, since this is _not_
related to PDF import.

Hybrid PDF is a great feature and full reliable.

PDF import will never have nearly the same quality for all kind of PDF
documents that only the OCR programs with PDF support have nowadays.

To be honest, I never would have started Import PDF at all...

But if you plan the pre-install it anyway, please keep in mind that it
brings xpdf with it. A third party library which has to be updated quite
frequently, because of security issues...

Just my 2 cents,
Malte.

Martin Hollmichel wrote, On 06/12/09 14:24:

Hi,

the situation is not easy: some people are sying, the PDF import 
should already be integrated with the OpenOffice.org product and 
others are complaining that the import does not fulfil their 
expectations (in some cases). How do we come to an agreement on how 
to proceed ?


Martin

Stefan Weigel wrote:

Hi,

Martin Hollmichel schrieb:

I would like ask you to review the Feature List on 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pdf_Import_Extension/Announcement 
and specify either concrete issues or features of what you think 
that should be in a 1.0 release.
I had already been looking at the Feature List. However, korrect 
positioning of text and graphics is not on this list. I guess this 
is self-evident and not to be mentioned explicitly.


The example files given in the issue are unusable after importing 
by the PDF Import Extension, because of heavy displacement of text 
and graphic objects. I could deliver countless PDF documents from 
different sources that suffer the same. This is definitely 
something one would *not* expect from a peace of software that 
passed the beta phase and became Version 1.0.


Sorry, I am not an expert enough in order to specify this more 
concrete. But what I can say for sure: I did get frequent 
complaints from disappointed users that had been trying PDF Import 
full of expectation after it had been greatly announced some months 
ago. The announcements did not always mention the beta st

[marketing] Re: [qa-dev] upcoming release of PDF Import extension 1.0

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

the situation is not easy: some people are sying, the PDF import should 
already be integrated with the OpenOffice.org product and others are 
complaining that the import does not fulfil their expectations (in some 
cases). How do we come to an agreement on how to proceed ?


Martin

Stefan Weigel wrote:

Hi,

Martin Hollmichel schrieb:

I would like ask you to review the Feature List on 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pdf_Import_Extension/Announcement 
and specify either concrete issues or features of what you think that 
should be in a 1.0 release.


I had already been looking at the Feature List. However, korrect 
positioning of text and graphics is not on this list. I guess this is 
self-evident and not to be mentioned explicitly.


The example files given in the issue are unusable after importing by 
the PDF Import Extension, because of heavy displacement of text and 
graphic objects. I could deliver countless PDF documents from 
different sources that suffer the same. This is definitely something 
one would *not* expect from a peace of software that passed the beta 
phase and became Version 1.0.


Sorry, I am not an expert enough in order to specify this more 
concrete. But what I can say for sure: I did get frequent complaints 
from disappointed users that had been trying PDF Import full of 
expectation after it had been greatly announced some months ago. The 
announcements did not always mention the beta status. What I fear now 
is a new wave of complaints when the extension is declared to have 
left beta stadium now, but still most of the PDF documents out in the 
wild will not be readable or usable after opening with OOo.


I personally do not need PDF import at all. So I wouldn´t care. But 
for the sake of the project´s reputation I would suggest *not* to 
claim that OOo is generally able to open PDF files. I would suggest to 
name it "still working on this feature".


Regards

Stefan




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[marketing] upcoming release of PDF Import extension 1.0

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi *,

I just want to let you know that I'm currently preparing the release of 
the PDF Import extension 1.0, please see draft for a announcement on 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pdf_Import_Extension/Announcement


The Windows version is already available for review on 
ftp://qa-upload.services.openoffice.org/pdfimport/win32/


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[marketing] Upcoming release of Media Wiki Publisher 1.1

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

I'm going to provide within the next days the next version of the Media 
Wiki Publisher. For the issues fixed please see 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Extension/Release_Map#1.1


the release candidate of that extension can be found on 
ftp://qa-upload.services.openoffice.org/wiki-publisher/


I'd appreciate any input for polishing up the release notes and IHMO it 
also would be nice to have already blog entries with a review of the new 
release with the release.


any volunteers for that ?

thank you,

Martin






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Re: [marketing] release of pdfimport extension 0.4

[Martin Hollmichel]

Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi Martin,

thanks for notifying us!

I'm currently going to release the pdfimport extension 0.4. In the 
moment there is just a technical list of issues included in the 
release notes which describes which issue got fixed in the release.


Since the release notes will probably read by many people this is 
great chance to provide addtional information about the project and 
on how to participate and contribute to the project.


Can you send me a link to the release notes? 

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/node/2339
Do you know if any community feedback was involved in the new release, 
either by rising issues
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/buglist.cgi?issue_id=91980+92912+94952 
is the query for the issue got integrated in the 0.4 release, but I 
think all issues are somehow reported by the OOo community. Additionally 
the xpf code got updated.

or by directly contributing code?

no, but it would be great if we get some more eyes on the code.


Florian


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[marketing] release of pdfimport extension 0.4

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

I'm currently going to release the pdfimport extension 0.4. In the 
moment there is just a technical list of issues included in the release 
notes which describes which issue got fixed in the release.


Since the release notes will probably read by many people this is great 
chance to provide addtional information about the project and on how to 
participate and contribute to the project.


any thoughts on this ?

Martin


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[marketing] Bundling of extensions in OpenOffice.org

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

in last ESC meeting 
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC_meeting_minutes_20090309) 
there was the item "Define Criteria when to bundle extensions" on the 
agenda.


Based on the proposal 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ESC/Criteria_for_bundling_extensions 
we got the following requirements from technical point of view:


Extensions should:

   * be localized
   * documented, online help available
   * QAd, Feature must be complete and without serious bugs
   * consistent with the UI of the core product and other bundled
 extensions
   * does not need limited UI resources, and is not considered core
 functionality at the same time
   * a11y compliant

There was the agreement that also the marketing and user experience team 
might want to add important criteria and rules upon this so that finally 
the release status meeting is able to accept proposals for bundling and 
is able to decide based on these rules.


Simple rules might be something like "must have x downloads per week, at 
least a rating of y stars, and z ratings at all". But I will leave it to 
the experts to discuss such criteria.


From my point of view I'll add the requirement that the source code for 
bundled extensions need to be in the OpenOffice.org source code 
repository to get the bundling done in a automated manner so that they 
will be LGPL license compliant and follow the accepted guidelines of the 
project.


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[marketing] extending the OpenOffice BugBounty Programm

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

last year we initiated the bug bounty program 
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/BugBountyProgram and 
references below). Obviously we failed in spreading the information 
about this program, the feedback was very low.


Before we extend the program we want to be sure to make it this time 
better, I'm thinking of:

* promoting it on the main page (www.openoffice.org)
* add an item on contributung page (contributing.openoffice.org)
* encourage people to blog about it
* many other things

are there any volunteers available interested in spreading the news ?
Are there any other ideas to make the Program more attractive ?
or should we stop this effort because it's hopeless ?

Martin

references:

http://www.mail-archive.com/annou...@openoffice.org/msg00145.html
http://freelancefundraiser.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/openofficeorg-achieves-ten-million-downloads-at-the-end-of-its-beijing-conference/


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Re: [marketing] The fork (was :Re: [marketing] Andrew Pitonyak: OOoMacros and others)

[Martin Hollmichel]

Andrew Ziem wrote:

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Lars Noodén  wrote:
  

Andrew Ziem wrote:


"the fork" is under the LGPL...
  

A fork is a fork, which they have had the freedom to fork OOo because
OOo is under the LGPL.  Just because their fork is also under the LGPL
does not mean their is an obligation for the original to accept material
 from the fork.



Sure there's no obligation, but you are complaining it (the fork
exists because the original does not accept the material).

  

Since the fork was made to include technically and legally undesirable
components it would be a stupid move to accept tainted mods.



I'm not sure what you mean.  As one example, what is wrong with it
with the GStreamer integration for Linux?

  

auditing is not an option, the onus is not on the original team to be
chasing a fork.



How is that different than the already existing ~30 external modules
such as libxml2 and mozilla?  Also, that assumes that Sun Microsystems
will never find a way to reconcile the dispute regarding the SCA.


  
OOo always has allowed the usage of external third party code, so that 
OOo code can reuse third party code. Just the code within OOo needs to 
be covered under SCA so that we continue to stay with a common copyright 
for all OOo code.


that said, the usage of the libgstreamer library is not other than the 
usage of libxml2 or mozilla. The Office integration code, as for any 
other integration of third party code, should be coved by SCA.


It was the decision of Novell not to contribute their changes, which 
they have done within the existing Office code for the integration of 
the gstreamer, under the joint copyright (and as they have already done 
for many other code).


At least to my knowledge there are no special legal concerns (beside the 
SCA) that blocks an integration of that code. And if they were such 
concerns, I'm sure there would be a workaround to include such code with 
"Exempted Contributions Guidelines' for 'Unbundled Extensions" (see 
http://external.openoffice.org) if there were such problems.


Martin



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[marketing] OOo 3.0 Beta 2 feedback extract

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

on http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOo_3_Beta_feedback we are
collecting an extract of the beta feedback from press, community,
reviews, forums, etc. please don't hesitate to add stuff if it's not yet
listed there, references to articles are welcome.

Martin




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Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org wins the 2008 Duke's Choice Award

[Martin Hollmichel]

Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi Martin,

It would be also interesting to collect all award we collected on a 
common page. there seems to be an outdated page on 
http://website.openoffice.org/files/documents/28/1858/awards.html I 
think we should continue that,


try www.openoffice.org/awards/

is that linked from anywhere on the site?


Florian

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[marketing] OpenOffice.org 3.0 Beta feedback

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

the announcement of the 3.0 Beta give us a good opportunity to gather 
feedback from various places which are not in our daily scope. Since it 
is alomost impossible for a single person to view and collect all that 
feedback, I created a page 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOo_3_Beta_feedback . I think 
many of you have read a lot of stuff in the last few days so I would 
like to ask you to add your extract on that page as well.


I suggest to collect input until May 26th, 12am GMT, so we'd be able to 
review that feedback in the release status meeting that day,


opinions ?

Martin


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Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org wins the 2008 Duke's Choice Award

[Martin Hollmichel]

Alexandro Colorado wrote:
i wonder if marketing ever get enough coordinance with webdev/art to put 
this news on the main page. with a fancy graphics.


It would be also interesting to collect all award we collected on a 
common page. there seems to be an outdated page on 
http://website.openoffice.org/files/documents/28/1858/awards.html I 
think we should continue that,


Martin

This all are good things that OOo should be proud off and the 40,000  
dialy visitors are missing out.


On Wed, 07 May 2008 02:26:12 -0500, Florian Effenberger 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


OpenOffice.org wins the 2008 Duke's Choice Award for Fans' Choice. 
"The Duke's Choice Awards program recognizes the year's most 
influential Java technology-based applications submitted by developers 
and companies around the world. The winners are chosen by Vice 
President and Sun Fellow James Gosling, along with a panel of Java 
technology experts at Sun." Read more in the official press release 
[http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-05/sunflash.20080506.1.xml]


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Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org 3.0 Beta Release notes and other marketing materials ?

[Martin Hollmichel]

Erwin Tenhumberg wrote:


* Soon: Wiki Publisher 
FYI.  I played with this one, but it gave me numerous problems.  For 
example, it has problems[1] with Wikipedia, the most popular 
MediaWiki wiki.

[1] http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=88649


Thanks for the link!
The Wiki Publisher will be updated shortly with that issue fixed, please 
be sure that all other known issues are entered in IssueTracker,




* Extension framework enhancements
  - Inclusion of online help information
  - Inclusion of publisher and release note information
  - Check-for-update mechanism 
If I remember correctly, OpenOffice.org as an application has also 
had incremental improvements in regards to checking for updates in 
this time frame.


I guess the extension framework improvements are also to technical and 
thus should also be moved to the "Other Features" section that I 
suggested above.
In this way it is too technical, yes. Nonetheless I see this as a major 
milestone in our roadmap because the contributions to the extension site 
and thus also the the OpenOffice.org project are significant. In this 
way we have created a additional entrance to make contribution to the 
project more likely and easy. I see this as one of the most important 
changes from OOo 2 to 3 for the further development of the project, 
please don't move it to just "other features",



Martin


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Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org 3.0 Beta Release notes and other marketing materials ?

[Martin Hollmichel]

Cor Nouws wrote:

Martin Hollmichel wrote (21-4-2008 13:07)

Cor Nouws wrote:

Andrew Ziem wrote (17-4-2008 23:43)

Yes, there was confusion.


Not so strange, when you look at the splash screen 
(of the localized m5 build, it clearly says 3.0 Beta)

It's the same we already did for the previous releases, at some time 
the Developer Snapshot come with the splash screen of the next release.


But m9 doesn't have it.

Which build do you use ?



Is this something we need to change ?


I doubt if this was the cause of the confusion, so better not take 
direct action on this, IMO.



If it was not the splash, what else was it ?

Cor


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Re: [marketing] Providing Links to Other Open Source Applications

[Martin Hollmichel]

Michael Devenish wrote:

Hi,

As a suggestion, could the OOo main page or download page include a 
section of "other applications", or something similar, which has links 
to other open source applications that compliment OOo? In particular, 
Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird / Lightning (Lightning 0.8 looks very 
promising).


I think OOo on its own is great value but when used with other open 
source applications is even better. Providing a link to Thunderbird / 
Lightning should help to reduce the "where's the outlook equivalent?" 
questions.
IMHO a good idea. Adding in the additional resources section a link like 
"Email and PIM" which links to an openoffice.org hosted page, where the 
relationship between OpenOffice.org and Lighning is described and links 
to the lightning resources are listed" would definitly help both, the 
OpenOffice.org and the Lightning project.





Hopefully this would cause an increase in the number of Thunderbird / 
Lightning downloads and maybe Mozilla would provide links to OOo. This 
could result in an increase in the number of OOo downloads, particularly 
once Firefox 3 is released. I'd really like to see OOo and Mozilla 
advertising each others applications.


Thanks,

Michael Devenish



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Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org 3.0 Beta Release notes and other marketing materials ?

[Martin Hollmichel]

Cor Nouws wrote:

Andrew Ziem wrote (17-4-2008 23:43)

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Martin Hollmichel


 This was a regular developer snapshot, we never announced this as a 
beta
version. The more important it will be, that we will announce the 
Beta as


Yes, there was confusion.


Not so strange, when you look at the splash screen 
(of the localized m5 build, it clearly says 3.0 Beta)

It's the same we already did for the previous releases, at some time the 
Developer Snapshot come with the splash screen of the next release. Is 
this something we need to change ?


Martin



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Re: [marketing] OpenOffice.org 3.0 Beta Release notes and other marketing materials ?

[Martin Hollmichel]

Andrew Ziem wrote:

Martin Hollmichel wrote:

Hi,

we are close before 3.0 Beta release, I think we need to prepare some 
collaterals for this.



My two cents

1. For about a month, people have been referring to DEV300_m3 as a 
beta.  It and later versions use the term beta in various places in the 
app.  When you announce the beta is really here, and many people may 
think, "I saw that a month ago."
This was a regular developer snapshot, we never announced this as a beta 
version. The more important it will be, that we will announce the Beta 
as official and what we expect regarding this beta. What feedback 
channels we will have, prominent on the download area and so on. I don't 
think that that many people will say that they already have seen it. 
Usually we only have a few thousand downloads of developer snapshot, if 
we are going to provide this as an official beta, I expect we will have 
more than a million downloads.


2. As of DEV300_m7, I do not see the PDF import extension even though I 
noticed the CWS is integrated.


Since it is a extension, it needs to get provided by the extensions 
site, I will have a look into this this night,



Andrew

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[marketing] OpenOffice.org 3.0 Beta Release notes and other marketing materials ?

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

we are close before 3.0 Beta release, I think we need to prepare some 
collaterals for this.


The release notes are not started yet, 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/New_Features_3.0 ? Should the 
release notes contain the diff between 2.4 and 3.0 release. IMHO we also 
need a list with all the diff from 2.0 to 3.0. We need to be prepared to 
some obvious questions:
* Why do we do major version if the diff between 2.4 and 3.0 is so 
small. (see also the blog 
http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/numbers_about_the_release_of ).

* Do we need to do better release notes, do we need a better feature page ?
* How is the story around our extensions ?

* Do we need something like a press kit ?
* What do we want to do with linking to non openoffice.org site, do we 
need rules for this ?


Martin



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Re: [marketing] README for OOo 3.0 Beta

[Martin Hollmichel]

dead line for updating the readme is today and nobody has provided any 
input yet ?


Martin

Martin Hollmichel wrote:

John McCreesh wrote:

Martin Hollmichel wrote:

Hi,

I'm wondering if the README file on 
http://www.openoffice.org/welcome/readme.html and included in the 
installation set is still valid for the 3.0 release.


I'd like to suggest that we create a wiki page to get a new readme 
for the upcomping beta release. deadline for this is April 17th to 
get it included into the beta.


Good call Martin - thanks. Would you like to open a page off 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease30 - there will be 
some marketing input, but also a lot of engineering input too...


I created http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease30_Readme 
with the content of the old readme, feel free to work on this now,

Thanks - John


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Re: [marketing] README for OOo 3.0 Beta

[Martin Hollmichel]

John McCreesh wrote:

Martin Hollmichel wrote:

Hi,

I'm wondering if the README file on 
http://www.openoffice.org/welcome/readme.html and included in the 
installation set is still valid for the 3.0 release.


I'd like to suggest that we create a wiki page to get a new readme for 
the upcomping beta release. deadline for this is April 17th to get it 
included into the beta.


Good call Martin - thanks. Would you like to open a page off 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease30 - there will be 
some marketing input, but also a lot of engineering input too...


I created http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease30_Readme 
with the content of the old readme, feel free to work on this now,

Thanks - John


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[marketing] README for OOo 3.0 Beta

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

I'm wondering if the README file on 
http://www.openoffice.org/welcome/readme.html and included in the 
installation set is still valid for the 3.0 release.


I'd like to suggest that we create a wiki page to get a new readme for 
the upcomping beta release. deadline for this is April 17th to get it 
included into the beta.


Martin

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Re: [marketing] Missing links in release notes?

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi Andrew,

I was the bad guy who removed all the links out of the document to non 
.openoffice.org domains. We tried since year that in official 
OpenOffice.org document there should be no links to non .openoffice.org 
domain. So by seeing the massive amount of the oooninja.com links was to 
remove them (without checking all the content behind those links). Right 
now I'm unsure on how to deal with this because most content seems to be 
very valueable for OpenOffice.org user. Thank you very much for all that 
work !


Since I found out that I also not discovered all external links I'm 
wondering what a good policy for those policies could be.


On the one hand I would something important as release notes also 
available offline with as much useful information as possible. But this 
is also difficult with that many links into OOo wiki.

On the other hand to cut off many useful links might be also problematic.

By looking at the current release notes I think they are much better 
than in the release before, but they still contain too many links to 
blogs, specification and issues and is too detailed at all. Maybe it 
would be more useful to strip down these release notes into one document 
and just add one external link to the NewFeature document for further 
information.


Martin



Andrew Ziem wrote:

Hi,

I did a lot of editing of the Features 2.4 wiki page that (to my
surprise) became the release notes
.  As I could
find relevant information, I included links to other sites: GullFOSS
and (my site) OOoNinja.com.  All the links to latter disappeared, but
the text (like "Article") remains.

Are these links not acceptable, or is this a mistake?  I hope I am
providing content valuable to users and welcomed by the community**.
If not, let me know directly.

If this omission was deliberate you may have missed the veoh.com video
link which I made.



Best regards,
Andrew

** For what it's worth, I heard sr.openoffice.org is translating my
new article as their release notes.

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Re: [marketing] 3.0 splash screen?

[Martin Hollmichel]

There seem also be issue 54361 open for this, personally I would like to 
see a polished splash screen for beta and final release, and not to 
start with completly new ideas.


If we would like to initiate a new contest, we might need to hurry up, I 
think the final deadline for the final result should be mid or end of 
May to get this integrated into the final release,


Martin


Andrew Ziem wrote:
I saw the new splash screen in the OOo 3.0 "beta" (DEV300_m2, which is 
not yet a beta).  Is this the final design?  How about having a public 
design competition as was done for OOo 2.0?


Current 3.0 splash screen design:
http://picasaweb.google.com/OOoNinja/OOoNinja200803/photo?authkey=zTolMYPKvk0#5178404839936586850 




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[marketing] OOo 2.4 release notes

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,

some time ago we agreed that we need better Release notes 
().



For the 2.3 release there is now a draft in 
 which is 
based on the data of 



For 2.3 release I would like to see 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/New_Features_2.3#New_Features_in_OpenOffice.org_2.3 
and 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/New_Features_2.3#Known_issues 
as the new release notes for 2.3. As an appendix to that we could use 
the http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/New_Features_2.3#Full_list 
and the old release notes as a technical changelog document.




For OOo 2.4 there is 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Feature_Freeze_Testing_2.4 
available but not yet something like 
. I would 
like to have new Release Notes available with the first release 
candidate mid of February, will this be possible, is this doable ?


Martin

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Re: [Marketing] Re: [discuss] Re: filming community giving out OOo 2.0

[Martin Hollmichel]

Hi,
Christian Einfeldt wrote:
On Friday 18 March 2005 19:55, Gary Edwards wrote:
Hi Christian,
You didn't give a time or date?  

Does anyone know when OOo 2.0 is coming out?  I haven't heard that 
anyone knows yet, so we can't really set a date, I guess. 

In the moment we still get lot of good feedback from our Beta release, 
this makes it difficult to speak already about a concrete date for the 
final at this time. By looking at the number of incoming fixes I don't 
expect a release candidate for 2.0 within the next 6-8 weeks.

please lurk on releases@openoffice.org for the details,
Martin

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