Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Samba PDC W2k
Brossin Pierrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Yeah but If I do a mistake I cant remove the account... Well I may be off track but... if you follow the e-smith way of adding the machine account, I believe you would simply enter the following to remove the entry: /sbin/e-smith/db accounts del computername computername stands for the NetBios name of the Windows NT/2000 computer. I'm certian someone will point out if this is correct or incorrect :) Regards, -- Darrell May DMC NETSOURCED.COM http://netsourced.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] LDAP password
Does the LDAP directory of e-smith support passowrd authentication? I know I can select between private and public for opening the directory to either internal or external network. But I want to allow my users to access the directory externally, but only my users. Does anyone have a clue? Kai. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services
To all, I have created scripts etc to get my Domino service to start but I cannot find out where to make it start the server automagically... I have S99Domino in the /etc/rc.d/rc3.d directory but it does not start it... I also need to stop the sendmail/qmail and httpd services from starting but seem to be unable to do so... Which directory do I do this from? Thankyou, Jason Green, Lotus Notes Admin/Developer. Canberra Australia. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] Mail failure
?? Thankyou, Jason Green, Lotus Notes Admin/Developer. Canberra Australia. - Forwarded by Jason Green/JASS/AU on 22/08/01 06:00 PM - BROADCAST/KXTV/POSTMASTER IMCEAMS-BROADCAST_KXTV_POSTMASTER To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] @KXTV.COM cc: Subject: Mail failure 22/08/01 05:57 PM [002] Mail was received for unknown addresses. Message was not delivered to BROADCAST/KXTV/JHAMMOND (BROADCAST/KXTV/JHAMMOND) -- Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services Date: 2001-08-21 23:53 Priority: 3 Message ID: 21F12B1E1396D511B8460090278443DA To all, I have created scripts etc to get my Domino service to start but I cannot find out where to make it start the server automagically... I have S99Domino in the /etc/rc.d/rc3.d directory but it does not start it... I also need to stop the sendmail/qmail and httpd services from starting but seem to be unable to do so... Which directory do I do this from? Thankyou, Jason Green, Lotus Notes Admin/Developer. Canberra Australia. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services
To all, I have created scripts etc to get my Domino service to start but I cannot find out where to make it start the server automagically... I have S99Domino in the /etc/rc.d/rc3.d directory but it does not start it... Which directory do I do this from? Jason, I believe that e-smith runs in rc7.d as apposed to rc3.d. Hope this helps, Karl -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] VPN Question
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:25:26AM -0500, Alexander Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about a howto, in e-smith there is really almost nothing you need to do in order to get it to work... If you enabled remote access and have more than 0 users in the number of connections, and you created a user you want to use for the vpn, that is all you need in the e-smith side... For windows 9x/me/2k/nt, you can probably check they're website... But you will need the 128 Encription pack or it will not work.. You can get that at the Windows Update site in www.microsoft.com... [...] The fine manual is also a good place to start: http://www.e-smith.org/docs/manual/4.1/admin-remoteaccess.html Gordon -- Gordon Rowell[EMAIL PROTECTED] VP Engineering Network Server Solutions Group http://www.e-smith.com Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Fwd: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: To all, I have created scripts etc to get my Domino service to start but I cannot find out where to make it start the server automagically... I have S99Domino in the /etc/rc.d/rc3.d directory but it does not start it... S99Domino should be a link in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d pointing to the actual script residing in /etc/rc.d/init.d. Is this how you have it set? I also need to stop the sendmail/qmail and httpd services from starting but seem to be unable to do so... Try the e-smith-service-control-1.1.0-01.noarch.rpm found on e-smith.org -- Darrell May DMC NETSOURCED.COM http://netsourced.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] e-smith manager limitations (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Squidguard GUI)
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:53:56PM +0200, Jelmer Kuperus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think that goes for a lot more things in e-smith , i find the management console is really kind of limmiting [...] Limiting user visible options is a primary e-smith design goal. We don't expect users to manage Samba, FTP, Apache, etc. - they are done consistently by the manager. Most users (as opposed to power users) want a limited set of choices so they know what should be entered at each screen. The server is designed for small businesses with no IT staff. They typically don't know, nor want to know, anything about Linux permissions, users, groups, etc. Most of the GUI admin tools expect you to know something about the underlying system. The manager is also designed to be extensible. It's an open framework so you can add as many complex panels as you wish. So, there's nothing to stop you adding a panel with hundreds of widgets on it if you want the power options. So, if you find it limiting, why not write a panel to ease those limitations? We'll host the contributed packages on our site. Thanks, Gordon -- Gordon Rowell[EMAIL PROTECTED] VP Engineering Network Server Solutions Group http://www.e-smith.com Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services
/home/e-smith/configuration it's just a textfile -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: woensdag 22 augustus 2001 9:29 To: Gordon Rowell Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services And this database would be where??? Thankyou, Jason Green, Lotus Notes Admin/Developer. Canberra Australia. Gordon Rowell gordonr@e-smi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] th.com cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services 22/08/01 06:16 PM On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:53:12PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all, I have created scripts etc to get my Domino service to start but I cannot find out where to make it start the server automagically... I have S99Domino in the /etc/rc.d/rc3.d directory but it does not start it... As Karl has answered, e-smith uses run-level seven - i.e. rc7.d I also need to stop the sendmail/qmail and httpd services from starting but seem to be unable to do so... Which directory do I do this from? Set the appropriate entries to 'status|disabled' in the configuration database. Gordon -- Gordon Rowell[EMAIL PROTECTED] VP Engineering Network Server Solutions Group http://www.e-smith.com Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] RE: e-smith manager limitations (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Squidguard GUI)
An interestingg suggestion Would there be people interested in helping create an e-smith 'powerpack' ? -Original Message- From: Gordon Rowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: woensdag 22 augustus 2001 10:29 To: Jelmer Kuperus Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: e-smith manager limitations (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Squidguard GUI) On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 02:53:56PM +0200, Jelmer Kuperus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think that goes for a lot more things in e-smith , i find the management console is really kind of limmiting [...] Limiting user visible options is a primary e-smith design goal. We don't expect users to manage Samba, FTP, Apache, etc. - they are done consistently by the manager. Most users (as opposed to power users) want a limited set of choices so they know what should be entered at each screen. The server is designed for small businesses with no IT staff. They typically don't know, nor want to know, anything about Linux permissions, users, groups, etc. Most of the GUI admin tools expect you to know something about the underlying system. The manager is also designed to be extensible. It's an open framework so you can add as many complex panels as you wish. So, there's nothing to stop you adding a panel with hundreds of widgets on it if you want the power options. So, if you find it limiting, why not write a panel to ease those limitations? We'll host the contributed packages on our site. Thanks, Gordon -- Gordon Rowell[EMAIL PROTECTED] VP Engineering Network Server Solutions Group http://www.e-smith.com Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:42:48AM +0200, Jelmer Kuperus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /home/e-smith/configuration it's just a textfile True, though you should make changes with the db program rather than editing the file. For example, /sbin/e-smith/db configuration setprop smtpd status disabled Gordon -- Gordon Rowell[EMAIL PROTECTED] VP Engineering Network Server Solutions Group http://www.e-smith.com Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services
Why is this better than editting the file and raising a console save event ? -Original Message- From: Gordon Rowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: woensdag 22 augustus 2001 11:04 To: Jelmer Kuperus Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:42:48AM +0200, Jelmer Kuperus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /home/e-smith/configuration it's just a textfile True, though you should make changes with the db program rather than editing the file. For example, /sbin/e-smith/db configuration setprop smtpd status disabled Gordon -- Gordon Rowell[EMAIL PROTECTED] VP Engineering Network Server Solutions Group http://www.e-smith.com Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:15:31AM +0200, Jelmer Kuperus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is this better than editting the file It is currently a text file, but is very likely not to be in the future. The db command is our published interface to the configuration database(s). and raising a console save event ? The event you choose will depend on what you want to do. console-save no longer does everything (and hasn't for some time). Gordon -- Gordon Rowell[EMAIL PROTECTED] VP Engineering Network Server Solutions Group http://www.e-smith.com Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services
Where is the documentation on all these db command syntax and usage, as well as the events that should be raised? Kai. From: Gordon Rowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jelmer Kuperus [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:23:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [64.26.145.90] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD4CC53A0043400431DB401A915AF76C0; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:24:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 19444 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2001 09:23:14 - Received: from unknown (HELO e-smith.com) (192.168.16.18) by 192.168.14.2 with SMTP; 22 Aug 2001 09:23:14 - Received: (qmail 21366 invoked by uid 407); 22 Aug 2001 09:22:51 - Received: (qmail 21359 invoked by uid 8); 22 Aug 2001 09:22:51 - From devinfo-return-5929-kai_kiang Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:25:12 -0700 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] MBOX-Line: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 22 19:23:19 2001 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: Gordon Rowell [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jelmer Kuperus [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] References: C1481CEE8EA6D31193A500805FF59247407A41@HARRY User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: C1481CEE8EA6D31193A500805FF59247407A41@HARRY; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:15:31AM +0200 Organization: e-smith, inc. On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:15:31AM +0200, Jelmer Kuperus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is this better than editting the file It is currently a text file, but is very likely not to be in the future. The db command is our published interface to the configuration database(s). and raising a console save event ? The event you choose will depend on what you want to do. console-save no longer does everything (and hasn't for some time). Gordon -- Gordon Rowell[EMAIL PROTECTED] VP Engineering Network Server Solutions Group http://www.e-smith.com Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] Re: Log monitor
On 21 Aug 2001, at 23:42, Charlie Brady wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Dean Staff wrote: One question though... Is it possible to get your script to run the /var/log/qmail/@000* files through tailocal before being displayed? The question we need to ask here is whether this is a change that we want to make for everyone, for all the time? Will people ever want to view the timestamps in wallclock format, or only as Dan intended us to? Well, I think it's something I'd use.. (or I would not have asked the question :-) As for the Wallclock verses DJB format timestamps, I get requests like this... Can you check the logs to see if we got a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] around 10:15am today? (not 9021003.1622778...) It's certainly a reasonable request and one for us to consider. The next question is, how many special cases do we consider? Well, that's the question I understand this is a contrib module, not an Official e-smith one. And as such there is no Support for it. And I have no problem poking around the source trying see if I can make it do what I want it to. That's how I learn. (Even it I do have to learn some Perl first) But it's a very useful module and I'd like to see it make it as an official part of the next ESSG release. Cheers Dean Dean Staff Protus IP Solutions 210 - 2379 Holly Lane Ottawa, ON K1V 7P2 Canada 613-733- ex 546 Fax 613-248-4553 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.protus.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Server monitoring module ready for download
Jaime wrote Last, is the problem of the admin password. I really don't have any clue of why somepeople get this error. Replace genHeaderNonCacheable with genHeaderNonCacheableNoPasswordCheck and the message will go away. Could it be that the problem only occurs on upgraded system and not on new installation? Jaco Bongers C.A W Services CC Professional Network Support e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 9608, Centurion, 0046, South Africa Telephone: +27 12 653-5666 Fax: +27 12 653-0440 Cellular: +27 83 250-5335 WARNING: Any unauthorized use or interception of this email is illegal. If this email is not intended for you, you may not copy, distribute or disclose the contents to anyone. Save for bona fide company matters, C.A W Services CC does not accept any responsibility for the opinions expressed in this email. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
Folks, Mitel Networks is pleased to announce the forthcoming release of SME Server V5 (the product formerly known as the e-smith server and gateway) with ServiceLink (a suite of services related to managing your server). From the press release: OTTAWA, Ont.- Aug. 22, 2001 - The Network Server Solutions Group of Mitel Networks Corporation, formerly e-smith, inc., today announced its groundbreaking network and security solution for small- and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) and remote offices. This new solution, SME Server V5 with ServiceLink, brings together award-winning Linux-based server software with advanced network-delivered services to provide unparalleled network security and reliability. The introduction of SME Server V5 with ServiceLink represents a new class of offering in the small business server arena. It combines a secure, robust network server with enhanced functionality that can only be provided via an integrated network-connected service. Through ServiceLink, customers receive 24 x 7 server monitoring and reports, virus protection with automatic updates, point-and-click IPSEC Virtual Private Networks, DNS services and guaranteed email. Together, these services improve the security, reliability and performance of the customer's network to levels previously associated with large enterprises. The complete package is available to customers at an entry price of $595 (U.S.) for a three-month subscription. (for more see http://www.e-smith.com/news/news_220801.php) Quite a few of you (our partners, specifically) have been involved in the beta testing process for this, and the rest of you may at least recall the email I sent round a few months ago describing future directions. But just to provide a quick overview for everyone: - SME Server V5 is basically the e-smith sg version 5. It's open source as always, and will be available for download Real Soon Now (2 weeks). The major change you'll notice is that it no longer has the e-smith brand, and of course there are a variety of improvements, especially under the hood, but basically it's pretty much what you're used to. - ServiceLink is a suite of services/applications/etc which are add-ons to the basic open source server system. Basically, now we have a fairly stable server platform, we're using it as the foundation for building more specialised applications, and this is how we're delivering them. - The services provided by ServiceLink are: 24 x 7 Alerts and Reporting Virus Protection Guaranteed Email DNS Services IPSEC VPN Service These are delivered and administered via the Network Operations Centre (NOC) which we've set up. We charge for these services, and the software is proprietary, but they're *separate* from the underlying server software, which has *not* been made proprietary in any way. - Additionally, V5 introduces the concept of blades which are add-on applications. The ServiceLink software is actually a set of blades, and just about any add-on software can be turned into a blade. It's the natural extension of our contrib RPM collection from earlier versions, but much, much slicker. Stand by for a bunch of docs and information about how this all works and how to turn contrib RPMs or any other software into blades. We're hoping to make it as easy (easier in fact) to add software to the server as it's ever been, and the blades architecture's going to be as open as possible to help you do that. Anyway, you'll get to see it all soon, and I think everyone'll be pretty excited for it. We're sorry we couldn't make the beta more widely available for download and fiddling, but we had to make sure of some licensing issues before we could make it available for general download. K. -- Kirrily Skud Robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer website: http://www.e-smith.org Corporate website: http://www.e-smith.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:51:12AM +, Kai Kiang wrote: Where is the documentation on all these db command syntax and usage, as well as the events that should be raised? Sitting in my stuff to do pile. I'll get to it soonish, I think. K. -- Kirrily Skud Robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer website: http://www.e-smith.org Corporate website: http://www.e-smith.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Mail failure
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ?? Not a very explicit question. But I guess you are asking us why you got this mail message. It is because somebody else on this list is using the same broken mail transport agent software that you happen to use (evidenced by the BROADCAST/KXTV/JHAMMOND specification). The mail account which was subscribed to the list no longer exists. In this case, the mail transport agent should use the Return-Path address as the target for the bounce message. However, this particular mail transport system chooses instead to pick your email address, as the sender, to return the notification to. As you can see here: [002] Mail was received for unknown addresses. Message was not delivered to BROADCAST/KXTV/JHAMMOND (BROADCAST/KXTV/JHAMMOND) the problem was unknown address. If the MTA had been well behaved, the bounce message would have been sent back to the mailing list management software, which would have eventually removed the obsolete address from the mailing list. Please complain to Lotus about the waste of our collective time. Regards Charlie Thankyou, Jason Green, Lotus Notes Admin/Developer. Canberra Australia. - Forwarded by Jason Green/JASS/AU on 22/08/01 06:00 PM - BROADCAST/KXTV/POSTMASTER IMCEAMS-BROADCAST_KXTV_POSTMASTER To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] @KXTV.COM cc: Subject: Mail failure 22/08/01 05:57 PM [002] Mail was received for unknown addresses. Message was not delivered to BROADCAST/KXTV/JHAMMOND (BROADCAST/KXTV/JHAMMOND) -- Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services Date: 2001-08-21 23:53 Priority: 3 Message ID: 21F12B1E1396D511B8460090278443DA To all, I have created scripts etc to get my Domino service to start but I cannot find out where to make it start the server automagically... I have S99Domino in the /etc/rc.d/rc3.d directory but it does not start it... I also need to stop the sendmail/qmail and httpd services from starting but seem to be unable to do so... Which directory do I do this from? Thankyou, Jason Green, Lotus Notes Admin/Developer. Canberra Australia. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
Are there any significant feature changes to the core server or just the addition of the services and underlying design? Justin. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Server monitoring module ready for download
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Jaco Bongers wrote: Jaime wrote Last, is the problem of the admin password. I really don't have any clue of why somepeople get this error. Replace genHeaderNonCacheable with genHeaderNonCacheableNoPasswordCheck and the message will go away. Could it be that the problem only occurs on upgraded system and not on new installation? No. My guess is that the problem is that the script is not running with sufficient privilege to read the configuration database, and therefore cannot determine that the admin password in fact has been set. Scripts which are run as part of the e-smith manager usually need to have root privilege to interact with critical parts of the system. For this reason, they are mostly setuid root perl scripts. If you look at the RPM spec file for any of the e-smith RPMs, you will see that the file list is generated by the program genfilelist, and this program automatically marks all files with the required permissions and ownerships. As we point out in the How to build an e-smith RPM HOWTO, and illustrate in the e-smith-skel example RPM, you should always use this method. You then should not have any problems with permissions or ownerships of files in contributed RPMs. http://www.e-smith.org/docs/howto/building-contribs.php3 Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] adding programs to startup / building contribs
Gordon Lots to digest there. Let me dig through it, then I may break out follow-ups into new threads. Thanks, Scott -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Starting Services
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Kirrily Robert wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:51:12AM +, Kai Kiang wrote: Where is the documentation on all these db command syntax and usage, as well as the events that should be raised? Sitting in my stuff to do pile. I'll get to it soonish, I think. But if you can't wait for Kirrily, try: /sbin/e-smith/db which will give you a command summary, and: perldoc esmith::db which will tell you much more. Be sure to have read all the documentation in the design and architecture section of http://www.e-smith.org/. Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Server monitoring module ready for download
Jaco Bongers wrote: Jaime wrote Last, is the problem of the admin password. I really don't have any clue of why somepeople get this error. Replace genHeaderNonCacheable with genHeaderNonCacheableNoPasswordCheck and the message will go away. Could it be that the problem only occurs on upgraded system and not on new installation? What's really weird, is I got the error right after I installed the monitoring package and just the other day, I noticed that the error message has gone away, even though I've not done anything. It was there for about a week and a half or so. bh -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
Subscription fees? That's some expensive DNS monitoring fees. The only customers who are going to pay this outragous fee is big business, which makes sense for Mitel. SME Server V5 (or whatever you call it now) smells a lot like Windows XP... Yes, let us RENT you our SERVICES/ADDITIONAL FEATURES. Make all checks payable to e-smith inc.. Oh, so that's what the whole e-smith gang has been working on so hard lately... but of course we can't forget Charlie's open-source log panel in the e-smith manager. Ken. From: Kirrily Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:21:13 -0400 Folks, Mitel Networks is pleased to announce the forthcoming release of SME Server V5 (the product formerly known as the e-smith server and gateway) with ServiceLink (a suite of services related to managing your server). From the press release: OTTAWA, Ont.- Aug. 22, 2001 - The Network Server Solutions Group of Mitel Networks Corporation, formerly e-smith, inc., today announced its groundbreaking network and security solution for small- and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) and remote offices. This new solution, SME Server V5 with ServiceLink, brings together award-winning Linux-based server software with advanced network-delivered services to provide unparalleled network security and reliability. The introduction of SME Server V5 with ServiceLink represents a new class of offering in the small business server arena. It combines a secure, robust network server with enhanced functionality that can only be provided via an integrated network-connected service. Through ServiceLink, customers receive 24 x 7 server monitoring and reports, virus protection with automatic updates, point-and-click IPSEC Virtual Private Networks, DNS services and guaranteed email. Together, these services improve the security, reliability and performance of the customer's network to levels previously associated with large enterprises. The complete package is available to customers at an entry price of $595 (U.S.) for a three-month subscription. (for more see http://www.e-smith.com/news/news_220801.php) Quite a few of you (our partners, specifically) have been involved in the beta testing process for this, and the rest of you may at least recall the email I sent round a few months ago describing future directions. But just to provide a quick overview for everyone: - SME Server V5 is basically the e-smith sg version 5. It's open source as always, and will be available for download Real Soon Now (2 weeks). The major change you'll notice is that it no longer has the e-smith brand, and of course there are a variety of improvements, especially under the hood, but basically it's pretty much what you're used to. - ServiceLink is a suite of services/applications/etc which are add-ons to the basic open source server system. Basically, now we have a fairly stable server platform, we're using it as the foundation for building more specialised applications, and this is how we're delivering them. - The services provided by ServiceLink are: 24 x 7 Alerts and Reporting Virus Protection Guaranteed Email DNS Services IPSEC VPN Service These are delivered and administered via the Network Operations Centre (NOC) which we've set up. We charge for these services, and the software is proprietary, but they're *separate* from the underlying server software, which has *not* been made proprietary in any way. - Additionally, V5 introduces the concept of blades which are add-on applications. The ServiceLink software is actually a set of blades, and just about any add-on software can be turned into a blade. It's the natural extension of our contrib RPM collection from earlier versions, but much, much slicker. Stand by for a bunch of docs and information about how this all works and how to turn contrib RPMs or any other software into blades. We're hoping to make it as easy (easier in fact) to add software to the server as it's ever been, and the blades architecture's going to be as open as possible to help you do that. Anyway, you'll get to see it all soon, and I think everyone'll be pretty excited for it. We're sorry we couldn't make the beta more widely available for download and fiddling, but we had to make sure of some licensing issues before we could make it available for general download. K. -- Kirrily Skud Robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer website: http://www.e-smith.org Corporate website: http://www.e-smith.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
I was wondering who would go first :) Subscription fees? That's some expensive DNS monitoring fees. The only customers who are going to pay this outragous fee is big business, which makes sense for Mitel. I have two comments here. There is much more than just DNS monitoring. It looks like there will be an Intrustion Detection System (hopefully both network and host based), better VPN support, and some guaranteed availability services. The monitoring is a bit vague it can mean anything from Counterpane to Joe's cousin down the street pinging servers - I am going to hold off on that one. As far as pricing I also think it is a bit steep at this point for many companies but it all depends on what these services are. If they are enterprise services this is a bargain. If they are SMB services - it may be tight. Regardless - e-smith has to charge for something at some point so if this is means survival and a v6.0 some day, so be it. SME Server V5 (or whatever you call it now) smells a lot like Windows XP... Yes, let us RENT you our SERVICES/ADDITIONAL FEATURES. Make all checks payable to e-smith inc.. This isn't necessarily a bad idea. Again - it all comes down to pricing. Oh, so that's what the whole e-smith gang has been working on so hard lately... but of course we can't forget Charlie's open-source log panel in the e-smith manager. I suspect the developers have very little say in e-smith the business. I don't think it necessary to drag them into this. They are still free to release other GPL packages on their own (I hope). My question is in regards to the GPL licensing with this. What happens if someone releases the exact same blade as a GPL version or for $50/quarter instead of $500. Will this void support contracts etc? -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
I'm assuming that the subscription fees are if the end user buys direct from Mitel/E-smith. I would also assume Mitel will charge the integrators less for the subscription and they they set their own price for their customers, just like in the past. Service link is a value add for all. It doesn't smell at all like XP, because you can still have a choice as to what you install, run, etc. Whereas XP, without your choice or decision, will, with direction from Redmond, prohibit you from installing certain software/hardware if MS sees fit. That is really an unfair comparison. The reality of the situation is that companies are in business to make money, and volunteer effort/programming, while it does produce some good products, doesn't always produce software that businesses need. Mitel, IMHO, is trying to do a balancing act between the two, still offereing the base product for free, but trying to do a value add for businesses who don't have the time or resources to manage those items themselves, yet identify that they have the need. Additionally, Mitel is trying to build it's channel of integrators, because, as they quote in their release on SV5, most small/medium businesses want someone local they can build a relationship with who will help them along the way. And lets not forget that, Mitel isn't the sole source of these services/addons. (unlike XP/Redmond) Many of the features listed in the servicelink addon have been available as seperate packages from other sources. There is nothing to stop a customer or integrator from adding these themselves. Yes, I think this is a far different experience than XP. bh Ken Yuinipo wrote: Subscription fees? That's some expensive DNS monitoring fees. The only customers who are going to pay this outragous fee is big business, which makes sense for Mitel. SME Server V5 (or whatever you call it now) smells a lot like Windows XP... Yes, let us RENT you our SERVICES/ADDITIONAL FEATURES. Make all checks payable to e-smith inc.. Oh, so that's what the whole e-smith gang has been working on so hard lately... but of course we can't forget Charlie's open-source log panel in the e-smith manager. Ken. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
The price seems to have gone through the roof. Can customers still only purchase support or has the price really gone up by 400% ? If the later is the case then this product will now be out of reach of many small businesses. The idea of additional services that could be offered is a great idea but if the basic package of 12 months support for £595 has gone then so will many of the customers. -Original Message- From: Justin Funke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 August 2001 15:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced Are there any significant feature changes to the core server or just the addition of the services and underlying design? Justin. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
Blades sound a lot like un-GPL contribs. Watch out developers, you might get dragged into court by e-smith/Mitel. Jason, you go ahead and try undercut e-smith and you will see what might happen. By The Way: Blades sound a lot like Sun's SunBlade UNIX Workstations. My question is in regards to the GPL licensing with this. What happens if someone releases the exact same blade as a GPL version or for $50/quarter instead of $500. Will this void support contracts etc? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] SME Server
Based on Kernel 2.4 now i hope? If not im not going to change. PS! SME Server, the name tastes really bad in my mouth, sounds Microsoftisch - keeping the name E-Smith would be preferable. Cheers Peter -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
The reality is businesses pay developers money. Everyone works for free on ES, ES sold out to an 800lb gorilla (Mitel) and now you are feeding us this GPL/opensource garbage, Blake? Get real. Mitel's investors are not going to be happy if they hear the word linux or opensource mentioned in their board room. They want to hear unfair competitive advantages and other exec-speak. Mitel is stuck with most of the ES linux package as GPL. But everything else from now on is going to become propietary (you know with patents, trademarks, lawyers, etc). I know ES has to make money, and so does Mitel. Just don't believe everything their PR dept. is pumping out. I would do the same thing if I was Mitel. Ken Y. The reality of the situation is that companies are in business to make money, and volunteer effort/programming, while it does produce some good products, doesn't always produce software that businesses need. Mitel, IMHO, is trying to do a balancing act between the two, still offereing the base product for free, but trying to do a value add for businesses who don't have the time or resources to manage those items themselves, yet identify that they have the need. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
I hope that you are wrong about this Ken... can anybody confirm? Mitel is stuck with most of the ES linux package as GPL. But everything else from now on is going to become propietary (you know with patents, trademarks, lawyers, etc). -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Trevor Ouellette wrote: I hope that you are wrong about this Ken... can anybody confirm? Mitel is stuck with most of the ES linux package as GPL. But everything else from now on is going to become propietary (you know with patents, trademarks, lawyers, etc). Did anyone look at the license on my view log files add-on released (with management blessing) on Friday? Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
Ken, I am often surprised at your posts. Blades sound a lot like un-GPL contribs. Watch out developers, you might get dragged into court by e-smith/Mitel. You know, the original e-smith server was created in its entirety by Joe Morrison - by himself and on his own time - and unlike Cobalt, NetWinder and all those other appliances - he released the whole thing into the GPL and set out to build a profitable business that existed in harmony with open source. Any benefit you get from the e-smith project has - at its root - what Joe did, and from that point going forward, the on-going contributions of other community members. I assume you get some benefit from it or you wouldn't hang out on a mailing list you so happily whine on. Your continued antagonism baffles me and frankly pisses me off because it's not justified. Do you think we are funded by some social organization to help you personally out of the goodness of our hearts? We are a business committed to being profitable using a business model that exists in harmony with open source. Is there an example of a company out there that could sponsor an open source project that wouldn't be the object of derision for you? What on earth are your expectations? Jason, you go ahead and try undercut e-smith and you will see what might happen. Blades can be either GPL or proprietary. Take our GPL code and make it proprietary, and you're right - we'll come after you. Compete with us in good faith or derive business by creating products or services on our platform or deploying our solution, then we actually wish you well as someone validating what we are doing. My question is in regards to the GPL licensing with this. What happens if someone releases the exact same blade as a GPL version or for $50/quarter instead of $500. Will this void support contracts etc? If we create a proprietary blade, and someone steals our property then we will protect our IP rights, of course. But many of our blades will be GPL'd, many will be proprietary belonging to us, and many will be proprietary belonging to other companies. The diversity of the offering benefits everyone. We are bound to and we are committed to keeping the server GPL'd and continuing to support this open source community, which we view as such an important part of what we do. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
Ok Charlie, then why wasn't the IPSEC VPN Service released GPL? I don't mean SWAN... there was NO support from Esmith re: the IPSEC/SWAN stuff on the devinfo list. The truth is managagement gave you the green light on your log program because log programs don't threaten the bottom line. Am I right? Charlie, I believe that you take GPL very seriously, but frankly you are not in charge. Ken Y. Did anyone look at the license on my view log files add-on released (with management blessing) on Friday? Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
I believe that you take GPL very seriously, but frankly you are not in charge. No, but I am. We don't need to release everything we do by ourselves to the GPL in order to support open source. We have created a *service* around providing IPSEC VPN with pattern updates for which we charge. Part of that service involves proprietary code. Ken, I invite you to do a FreeSWAN blade. Assuming it's of good quality, we'll host it on our NOC. - Kim - Original Message - From: Ken Yuinipo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced Ok Charlie, then why wasn't the IPSEC VPN Service released GPL? I don't mean SWAN... there was NO support from Esmith re: the IPSEC/SWAN stuff on the devinfo list. The truth is managagement gave you the green light on your log program because log programs don't threaten the bottom line. Am I right? Charlie, I believe that you take GPL very seriously, but frankly you are not in charge. Ken Y. Did anyone look at the license on my view log files add-on released (with management blessing) on Friday? Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 04:13:14PM +, Ken Yuinipo wrote: The reality is businesses pay developers money. Everyone works for free on ES, Huh? e-smith, prior to its acquisition by Mitel, employed a team of developers... who are *still* employed by Mitel. Nothing's changed. Mitel is stuck with most of the ES linux package as GPL. But everything else from now on is going to become propietary (you know with patents, trademarks, lawyers, etc). The SME Server V5 was well into development long before the Mitel acquisition, and in fact the whole package of the open platform as a foundation for a range of add-ons was what they found attractive. Having the open platform is a *good* thing from the perspective of business (e-smith, Mitel, whoever), because it encourages people to try it out and lowers the barrier to entry for people who want to use our platform in (hopefully mutually profitable) ways. Mitel see the value in that, and want to keep it that way. Ken, I've never seen you say a single useful or positive thing on this list. The only time you say anything is when you want to bash us for some licensing issue which, on every occasion, you have misunderstood and continued to wilfully misunderstand even after we explain it to you in small words. Please try to get a clue. K. -- Kirrily Skud Robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer website: http://www.e-smith.org Corporate website: http://www.e-smith.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
I think Ken's motives have been clear from the moment he popped up on this list. And they clearly have nothing to do with helping the open source community. Ross Ken Yuinipo wrote: Ok Charlie, then why wasn't the IPSEC VPN Service released GPL? I don't mean SWAN... there was NO support from Esmith re: the IPSEC/SWAN stuff on the devinfo list. The truth is managagement gave you the green light on your log program because log programs don't threaten the bottom line. Am I right? Charlie, I believe that you take GPL very seriously, but frankly you are not in charge. Ken Y. Did anyone look at the license on my view log files add-on released (with management blessing) on Friday? Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Ross Laver Director, Marketing Communications Mitel Networks - Network Server Solutions Group direct: +1.613.368.4384 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] IMP
Hey, I was wondering if it's possible to make some *rules* in IMP. For example when mails where the subject is E-Smith DevInfo go directly in a folder I created (in IMP). I hope you'll understand my crappy english :) Thanx - Un PC sans Windows c'est comme un gâteau au chocolat sans moutarde -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] New SME Server V5
I really hope it uses the new kernel 2.4.x - else im not even bothering to download/install. Cheers Peter -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] IMP
Brossin Pierrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hey, I was wondering if it's possible to make some *rules* in IMP. For example when mails where the subject is E-Smith DevInfo go directly in a folder I created (in IMP). This is what procmail is for. See this HowTo which will work for *all* e- smith/Mitel mail services (POP IMAP/IMP). http://netsourced.com/servers/docs/procmail-howto.html Regards, -- Darrell May DMC NETSOURCED.COM http://netsourced.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] IMP
Quoting Brossin Pierrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was wondering if it's possible to make some *rules* in IMP. For example when mails where the subject is E-Smith DevInfo go directly in a folder I created (in IMP). This is not possible in IMP 2.2.x. It is possible in the current development version of IMP, but installing that is a non-trivial exercise on e- smith 4.1.2. It does work very well, though... -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring. --The Judgment of St. Collum Cille -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
As an employee of a company with hundreds of millions in revenue that is building upon e-smith as a core component of its future plans, and as the person who is the principle technical liason e-smith/Mitel, and as a person who has a lot riding on VME Server V5 both at my day job and what is soon to be my evening job, all I can say is this: Get a grip! (Everyone, but especially the Kens out there.) Look, I wanted to say this earlier but didn't want to disclose anything, but now that Kirrily has let the cat out of the bag I'll take a whack at it. She said: -Original Message- From: Kirrily Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:38 PM [clip, clip, clip] The SME Server V5 was well into development long before the Mitel acquisition, and in fact the whole package of the open platform as a foundation for a range of add-ons was what they found attractive. There appears to be some feeling that SME Server V5 is some evil manifestation of the wicked Mitel suits. BUNK! Do you think e-smith evolved from 4.1.2 to SME5 just since the acquisition? What planet are you guys from? Development of this magnitude takes MANY MONTHS not a few weeks. I'm fairly confident that if the Mitel acquisition had not happened that we would be seeing e-smith 5.0 in pretty much the same form at pretty much the same price point, just without the name change. In fact, I'm not just fairly confident, I'm VERY confident. From my perspective, looking at a future that involves the rollout of thousands of e-smith/Mitel systems over the next couple of years (my day job), about the ONLY thing that has changed is the name. (Oh, there is the much more attractive, if less informative, home page! Was that hand coded, or done with a nuke-ish package?) There is one other significant change -- the people formerly known as e-smith now have the resources, financial and technical and marketing, to really start growing their product. I for one don't consider that to be a bad thing. Don't like it, you say? Feeling sold out to the money-grubbing corporations? Pissed off that someone might actually make some money off of open source? Well, there are other options. Who's twisting your arm to hang out here and bitch? Or is it that you, as the old cigarette ads used to say, would rather fight than switch? Scott -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Compatibility for the new SME Server V5
Is V5 based on 4.1.2 with the new services bundled and will 4.1.x contribs be compatible with V5? Thanks, Trev. -Original Message- From: Peter Hollandare [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 10:55 AM To: e-smith devinfo Subject: [e-smith-devinfo] New SME Server V5 I really hope it uses the new kernel 2.4.x - else im not even bothering to download/install. Cheers Peter -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
Quoting Ken Yuinipo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Blades sound a lot like un-GPL contribs. Watch out developers, you might get dragged into court by e-smith/Mitel. Jason, you go ahead and try undercut e-smith and you will see what might happen. Charlie, Kim, and Kirrily have already responded to your posts, but you'll probably just dismiss their responses as being shills for Mitel or some such. So, on the off chance that you might pay some attention to an outsider, I'll toss in my two cents: If you can't come up with something constructive to say, or at least something with a reasonable factual basis, then shut up and go away. Your last few messages have been pure FUD, of the sort more commonly associated with Microsoft. That's not to say that I'm entirely happy with the v5 setup--I'd like to have the option of personal use for the antivirus, for example. As it is, there's no way I'll pay $2400/year for these services on a server that serves only me--but I'm not the target market for these things. -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring. --The Judgment of St. Collum Cille -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] e-smith.com (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced)
Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) wrote: snip (Oh, there is the much more attractive, if less informative, home page! Was that hand coded, or done with a nuke-ish package?) Lovingly hand-crafted. Take a bow, Dan McGarry :-) Ross -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] why kernel 2.4.x (was: New SME Server V5)
A few people have said things to the effect of: paraphraseIf VME5 doesn't use kernel 2.4.x then I'm not going to bother with it./paraphrase You know, I really don't get this. First, what does e-smith (aka VME5) need that is only available in kernel 2.4.x? Second, is this a business need (ie, solves a real-world problem), a technical mandate (ie, the system just won't work without it), or a case of tech-itis (ie, it exists, therefore we must use it.) I'm betting it is not a business need, and doubt that it is a technical mandate. :-) Scott -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
-Original Message- From: Dan Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced That's not to say that I'm entirely happy with the v5 setup--I'd like to have the option of personal use for the antivirus, for example. As it is, there's no way I'll pay $2400/year for these services on a server that serves only me--but I'm not the target market for these things. Dan, I'm with you there. The complete package has clearly shifted markets and is targeted to a slightly more upscale audience -- ie, those businesses who can afford to pay and therefore generate revenue for the channel (partner) market. But, that is the name of the game. Money must be made, else we'll have a php-nuke vs myphpnuke vs postnuke kind of scenario. I was hoping the price point would have been more in the $1500 per year range. I've been working on a business model that used that assumption, which I'll now have to rework. But only slightly, as the revenue from hw/sw is dwarfed by the revenue from services. If I only had hw/sw revenue, I'd have to move 100 or so systems per month in order to make a go of it. With services, I only need 100 or so customers TOTAL. So, an extra $1000/year or so is unexpected, but probably not a show stopper. On the other hand, it does remove home and very small business users as potential clients. I don't know if there is a plan to continue the $595/yr support for just the base package w/o ServiceLink -- to me it sounds like a good plan, but that is up to Joe/Kim/whomever makes those decisions. As to AV support, I believe contribs are still an option (a welcomed one) with SME5. Maybe the answer for the home and very small business users lies in that arena. Scott -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] why kernel 2.4.x (was: New SME Server V5)
Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) wrote: A few people have said things to the effect of: paraphraseIf VME5 doesn't use kernel 2.4.x then I'm not going to bother with it./paraphrase You know, I really don't get this. First, what does e-smith (aka VME5) need that is only available in kernel 2.4.x? Second, is this a business need (ie, solves a real-world problem), a technical mandate (ie, the system just won't work without it), or a case of tech-itis (ie, it exists, therefore we must use it.) I'm betting it is not a business need, and doubt that it is a technical mandate. Agreed. The bottom line is that we value our reputation for rock-solid stability. 2.4 is in evaluation. Allow me to quote Paul Rusty Russell, who maintains the Linux kernel packet filter code (among other things) and is well-known for rewriting the entire structure for each new major kernel release. He offered this (public) comment in an email less than a month ago: 2.4 is still having bugs ironed out of it: the pioneers are still living in mud huts (sometimes with corrupted filesystems). 2.2 is still the king for stability, and will be for another 3-6 months, in my guestimation. 'Nuff said. Ross -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] e-smith.com (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced)
Lovingly hand-crafted. Take a bow, Dan McGarry :-) Agreed, very nice Dan. - Now back to this blade thing. Please excuse my lack of understanding on the details of GPL I've never had to read this deep into it before. Say I write a package that integrates an IDS into the VME5. If it is at all based on any GPL code I am required to license it as GPL and not sell it as a blade.(I think) This leads me to understand that e-smith is developing their ServiceLink code from scratch, which I have no doubt they are quite capable of. Is it the monitoring code that is going to be propietary or the code of the entire software add-on (both the service and the servicelink)? Snort is an excellent example for this. Say I release SNORT as a GPL blade. Would I then release the updating software and monitoring as a propietary blade? Thanks, Justin. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] RE: e-smith.com (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced)
-Original Message- From: Ross Laver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: e-smith.com (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced) (Oh, there is the much more attractive, if less informative, home page! Was that hand coded, or done with a nuke-ish package?) Lovingly hand-crafted. Take a bow, Dan McGarry :-) Darn! I was hoping that was the work of some slick package. Now I'll have to figure out how to make this work: [root]# rpm -Uvh mitel-dan-mcgarry-html-wizard-0.1.1.rpm [root]# mcgarry --option read_my_mind --action create_web_site --level win_prestigious_award --refresh daily ;-) Scott -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) wrote: snip On the other hand, it does remove home and very small business users as potential clients. It may preclude home users as potential clients, but it doesn't *remove* them, inasmuch as we don't currently have any home user customers and we've never gone after home users as a market. Speaking for my colleagues, I think I can say that going after the small/medium business market is a full-time job, thank you very much :-) Ross -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] New SME Server V5
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Peter Hollandare wrote: I really hope it uses the new kernel 2.4.x - You obviously haven't read my earlier post, where I said that SME Server V5 will not be using the 2.4 kernel, for reasons explained in the FAQ. else im not even bothering to download/install. Your loss, not mine :-) -- Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
As I understand it, SMESV5 :) will be part GPL and part proprietary, and will utilize the ServiceLink NOC. The suggested list price is $175 per month with a 12-month subscription, or $595 for three months. Ok, here are my questions: In Canadian dollars the cost is increasing from $75.00/mth to $270.00/mth or $920.00/yr to $3,270.00/yr. (Even higher for our Australian and European friends) As has been noted this is a huge increase. I suppose this is written in stone :( but any remote chance of lowering this new cost structure? SMESV5 if purchased for three months @ $595.00. What happens after the three months are up? Does only ServiceLink services stop. Does support stop? Does everything stop? I'm very concerned about this new proprietary part of SMESV5. As Kim has stated Mitel is going to be protecting their IP property. This implies one can not continue to contribute as freely as we have done before. Charlie noted the fact that his logfile rpm was released with management blessing. If Charlie has to seek management blessing does that not suggest that we must seek management blessing ourselves or Mitel will come protecting their IP property? How will we easily know what part is proprietary and what part is GPL? How easy is it to 'remove' the ServiceLink functions and install third party equivalents? Does the ServiceLink have an uninstall feature? As this is the new proprietary part, are we even legally permitted to remove the ServiceLink functions? Say you want to install FreeSWAN for IPSEC VPN or RAV for Antivirus or any other example you may think of. Enough questions for now I think. I look forward to the replies. Regards, -- Darrell May DMC NETSOURCED.COM http://netsourced.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] GPL explanation (was RE: [e-smith-devinfo] e-smith.com)
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Justin Funke wrote: - Now back to this blade thing. Please excuse my lack of understanding on the details of GPL I've never had to read this deep into it before. Say I write a package that integrates an IDS into the VME5. If it is at all based on any GPL code I am required to license it as GPL and not sell it as a blade.(I think) No, not true. If you produce software which is derived from GPL code, you must comply with the GPL licensing conditions, because otherwise you are in breach of copyright. The license conditions are listed in the file COPYING which accompanies most/all GPL software and they are explained on the Free Software Foundation website (http://www.fsf.org). You can sell your package for whatever you like, but you must comply with the license. The license, amongst other things, requires you to make the source code available, and for you to allow others to distribute the source code, the package, and any other derived packages as well. -- Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Darrell May wrote: Charlie noted the fact that his logfile rpm was released with management blessing. If Charlie has to seek management blessing does that not suggest that we must seek management blessing ourselves or Mitel will come protecting their IP property? Does Mitel pay you to produce software? And do you have an Intellectual Property agreement with Mitel that assigns copyright of code which you write to Mitel? If the answer is no, then this condition does not apply to you. How will we easily know what part is proprietary and what part is GPL? Read the license which accompanies the software package. Enough questions for now I think. Too many in fact :-) -- Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
Being a developer myself and managing a few open source projects, http://myphpnuke.com is just one of them, it always amazes me how quickly people turn. The point is, e-smith has been here to make money from day one. If you don't want to help them make money, have a problem with it, or just aren't interested, leave. Start your own...whatever. Just try to understand that you are not the only person in this world with a family and monthly bills. E-smith has and will continue to do what they must to make it all work for themselves, as a company. I trust and support that they will do that with an understanding of how it affects their user base. Garret http://myphpnuke.com Ross Laver [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think Ken's motives have been clear from the moment he popped up on this list. And they clearly have nothing to do with helping the open source community. Ross -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] Contributions (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions)
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Darrell May wrote: I'm very concerned about this new proprietary part of SMESV5. As Kim has stated Mitel is going to be protecting their IP property. This implies one can not continue to contribute as freely as we have done before. Not true. For any software derived from GPL code, you are free to contribute as before, and you, Mitel and every third party is bound to comply with the GPL's license conditions. For any software which you write yourself from scratch (or for which you acquire the rights by whatever other method), you can distribute as you wish, and license as you wish. You can release your software under the GPL, or you can sell it as proprietary software, or you can keep it to yourself. -- Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
Quoting Darrell May [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Charlie noted the fact that his logfile rpm was released with management blessing. If Charlie has to seek management blessing does that not suggest that we must seek management blessing ourselves or Mitel will No, it suggests only that Charlie works for Mitel, while (most of) the rest of us don't. come protecting their IP property? How will we easily know what part is proprietary and what part is GPL? rpm -qi package name should give indicate the relevant license. -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring. --The Judgment of St. Collum Cille -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] e-smith.com (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced)
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:35:25PM -0500, Justin Funke wrote: Say I write a package that integrates an IDS into the VME5. If it is at all based on any GPL code I am required to license it as GPL and not sell it as a blade.(I think) Nope. You license it under the GPL, but may *also* sell it if you want to, as long as you make the source available and redistributable to the people you sell it to. Admittedly this is kind of pointless in most cases, but then some people have tried to do it -- witness various Linux distros and other CDs of GPL'd software. Also, the words ... at all based on any GPL code ... are a bit blurry. There are some mechanisms by which the GPL infects and some mechanisms by which it does not. To give an example, running a GPL'd program via a pipe on the command line does not infect the other programs in that pipe. Another example is that compiling a program using a GPL'd compiler does not infect the compiled program. But that's a whole nother story, and let's not go there. Followups on licensing issues to gnu.license.flame.flame.flame please :) This leads me to understand that e-smith is developing their ServiceLink code from scratch, which I have no doubt they are quite capable of. Yup, as it happens you're right there. Snort is an excellent example for this. Say I release SNORT as a GPL blade. Would I then release the updating software and monitoring as a propietary blade? Yup, you could do that. K. -- Kirrily Skud Robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer website: http://www.e-smith.org Corporate website: http://www.e-smith.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] New SME Server V5
You obviously haven't read my earlier post, where I said that SME Server V5 will not be using the 2.4 kernel, for reasons explained in the FAQ. Charlie i'm sorry i havent, and thats becouse of sporadic mail-problems here today, with loosing more than 90% of all incoming mail. Thats what you get when using MS software grin. else im not even bothering to download/install. Your loss, not mine :-) Hehe, my only loss would be the time re-installing (asuming it must be installed from scratch?). To be honest, im pretty much happy as it is now. The system i have now (tweaked e-smith 4.12), which i think is the best linux distro i have *ever* tested (and yes i have tested about every singel distro). I like to take the moment and whish you guys at e-smith/mitel the best of luck with the new release! PS! as a linux mupp, i would prolly download it anyways, to test it out :) -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Enough questions for now I think. Too many in fact :-) I realize it has been a trying day of devinfo mails but I do hope I may receive an answer to the other questions I raised as well. -- Darrell May DMC NETSOURCED.COM http://netsourced.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
We pay $50/client for an ipsec vpn client and a few thousand for a firewall. If e-smith creates a ipsec vpn solution you better believe they have a right to charge for it. E-smith is about simplfying many of the processess. Have you ever created an ipsec-tunnel manually? I have and it wasn't fun and took more hours than I'd care to admit. On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:30:54 -0400 Kim Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I believe that you take GPL very seriously, but frankly you are not in | charge. | | No, but I am. | | We don't need to release everything we do by ourselves to the GPL in order | to support open source. We have created a *service* around providing IPSEC | VPN with pattern updates for which we charge. Part of that service | involves | proprietary code. | | Ken, I invite you to do a FreeSWAN blade. Assuming it's of good quality, | we'll host it on our NOC. | | - Kim | | - Original Message - | From: Ken Yuinipo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:31 PM | Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced | | | Ok Charlie, then why wasn't the IPSEC VPN Service released GPL? I don't | mean SWAN... there was NO support from Esmith re: the IPSEC/SWAN stuff | on | the devinfo list. | adam http://pbase.com/mrbass -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
Dan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: rpm -qi package name should give indicate the relevant license. Actually I was thinking more of if you wish to update a single file/code fragment, how do you determine which rpm that file belongs to in an easy fashion. I just did a man rpm and found you can execute this command to find out most of the time: [root@e-smith e-smith]# rpm -qf /sbin/e-smith/expand-template e-smith-lib-1.4.0-11 So answered one of my questions :) -- Darrell May DMC NETSOURCED.COM http://netsourced.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] SquidGuard 2
I'm trying to fix all the problems that were plauging the squidguard interface. If anyone cares, here's how to download/install it. I've had a lot of inexperienced people asking about content filtering, so I want to make this easy for them. I know it's unconventional (PHP scripts), please bear with me. - Log in as ROOT/PASSWORD - mkdir /squidguard2 - cd /squidguard2 - wget -nv http://www.greencomputer.com/squidguard-2.tar - tar -xf squidguard-2.tar - ./create-squidguard Rebooting is optional GRIN FIXES: Downloads the latest blacklist (Pal from squidguard removed all the bogus entries like Netscape and AOL from the blacklist). The blacklist is now called blacklist.tar.gz~ There is a workaround for when you go through the admin console and squidguard stops updating -- log in as root and enter /usr/local/squidGuard/setacls. Remember to password protect your ibay. This protects your internal network. If anyone knows how to do this from the commandline (shell please), let me know and I can implement it. Or do it yourself and send me a copy. (it's in the create-squidguard script). -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] GPL issues (was: e-smith.com (was: SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced))
-Original Message- From: Justin Funke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] e-smith.com (was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced) - Now back to this blade thing. Please excuse my lack of understanding on the details of GPL I've never had to read this deep into it before. This might be a good place to start: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GNUGPL First, I am not a lawyer. Second, as I understand it there is nothing to prevent making money from GPL software. You may impose a media charge, charge for warranty coverage, or charge subscription fees for updates, etc. Third, you are not required to deliver source code with the program, nor to make source code publically available as for example via anonymous ftp. You must make source code available for three years TO THOSE TO WHOM YOU DISTRIBUTE IT, but you may also recover the actual costs of duplication and delivery for supplying the source. There seems to be some debate as to what this means. Either it means that if I distribute the software, then I must make code available to ANYONE who asks for it. Or it means that if I give you the software, and you give it to Joe, that YOU are responsible for providing source code to Joe (if he requests it) but I am only liable to provide source to you and not to Joe. Fourth, you must make derivatives of GPL work available under the terms of the GPL. So, for instance, if you create a new ipchains that is based largely on the existing ipchains and/or cannot be reasonably argued to be a new or separate work, then your derivative must be made available under the GPL. However, if you create an ipchains-manager, perhaps a GUI manager for ipchains that only manages the configuration files used by ipchains, then that work would not be subject to the GPL. Even though ipchains-manager might not be usable without ipchains in that it would do no good, it is fundamentally a separate product. There is a gray area between these two scenarios, but in most cases the distinction seems to be clear. In the case of SME5, if the blade technology was developed as a new product, then even though it may work in conjuction with GPLed software or use GPLed software as tools/modules or might require the use of GPLed software to be effective, it is likely to be a separate product and therefore not subject to the GPL. In other words, it can be owned, licensed, and protected as commercial software. One the other hand, it is unlikely that the core SME5 product could ever be anything but GPL. Mitel nor anyone else is going to take the components that make up the Linux server bits and own them. Mitel (or anyone for that matter) could, however, rewrite VME5 as commercial software (provided, for non-Mitel efforts, that the rewrite was done using clean-room techniques.) Judging from another project I was involved in, and what I'm about to describe actually happened and was challenged and allowed to stand, the original copyright holders of GPLed software can fork a new codebase from their GPL codebase and release it as commercial software. The GPL codebase must continue to exist and can be worked with as with any GPL software, but the commercial codebase does not have to be GPL. The caveat, of course, is that that the codebases remain separate, and of course the commercial codebase cannot use code from the GPL version any differently than it would from any other codebase. As I recall, the typical approach in these cases is that the original copyright holders cease to be involved in the GPL codebase in order to protect their commercial interests. Also, it is difficult to do this unless the copyright for virtually all of the code that makes up the GPL product is held by a single entity. The more copyright holders there are to the components of a GPL product, the less feasible it is for that product to be forked commercially. (Basically, any bits where the copyright is not held by the entity doing the commercial fork, must be recreated in a legal fashion.) Anyway, that's what I know of the GPL. I consider it very unlikely that Mitel will attempt to fork a commercial version of the base product. Many hurdles to overcome. Very likely, though, that ServiceLink and various blades will be commercially licensed. Again, I am not a lawyer. The above is just what I've gleaned from several years of bumping heads with GPL (and other open source) projects. Scott -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] Advise...
Hi there... Can e-smith be used as a serious, expect high trafic, web server? running on a dual processor machine with 1 gig of ram??? Can it also be used as a serious database server (probably db2) running on a quad xeon machine with 4 gb or fam, and 640 GB fibre channel disk array??? Thanks for your comments... -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] SquidGuard interface 2nd release
[This may be a double post -- I haven't received my first post yet] I'm trying to fix all the problems that were plaguing the SquidGuard interface. If anyone cares, here's how to download/install it. I've had a lot of inexperienced people asking about content filtering, so I want to make this easy for them. I know it's unconventional (PHP scripts), please bear with me. - Log in as ROOT/PASSWORD - mkdir /squidguard2 - cd /squidguard2 - wget -nv http://www.greencomputer.com/squidguard-2.tar - tar -xf squidguard-2.tar - ./create-squidguard Rebooting is optional GRIN FIXES: Downloads the latest blacklist (Pal from squidguard removed all the bogus entries like Netscape and AOL from the blacklist). The blacklist is now called blacklist.tar.gz~ There is a workaround for when you go through the admin console and squidguard stops updating -- log in as root and enter /usr/local/squidGuard/setacls. Remember to password protect your ibay. This protects your internal network. If anyone knows how to do this from the commandline (shell please), let me know and I can implement it. Or do it yourself and send me a copy. (it's in the create-squidguard script). -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] GPL issues (was: e-smith.com (was: SME ServerV5 with ServiceLin k announced))
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) wrote: Third, you are not required to deliver source code with the program, nor to make source code publically available as for example via anonymous ftp. You must make source code available for three years TO THOSE TO WHOM YOU DISTRIBUTE IT, Not so. Consult a nearby copy of COPYING. There you will find: ... b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, ... Note, any third party. this means. Either it means that if I distribute the software, then I must make code available to ANYONE who asks for it. That seems pretty clear to me. -- Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
-Original Message- From: Darrell May [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions In Canadian dollars the cost is increasing from $75.00/mth to $270.00/mth or $920.00/yr to $3,270.00/yr. (Even higher for our Australian and European friends) As has been noted this is a huge increase. I suppose this is written in stone :( but any remote chance of lowering this new cost structure? I'm guessing no. I can't speak to the relative costs in other currencies, but in US dollars, $200/mo (or $175 on a 12 month basis -- where did you see that, btw?) is not much money for all be the very smallest of businesses. Given the exchange rate with other countries (I'd hate to do this in Turkish Lira!!) I can imagine the impact is felt much greater. Mitel may, as other companies do, have to develop separate pricing for other countries or regions. Again, guessing. SMESV5 if purchased for three months @ $595.00. What happens after the three months are up? Does only ServiceLink services stop. Does support stop? Does everything stop? What happens if you quit paying the electric company, or the phone company, or the cable company? I don't see ServiceLink as being any different. Unlike e-smith 4.1.2 and earlier, where you could use and not pay, ServiceLink sounds like a no-pay-no-use item. SME5 without ServiceLink sounds no different than previous releases. I'm very concerned about this new proprietary part of SMESV5. As Kim has stated Mitel is going to be protecting their IP property. This implies one can not continue to contribute as freely as we have done before. Contribute -- yes. Resell ServiceLink w/o first paying Mitel -- no. Charlie noted the fact that his logfile rpm was released with management blessing. If Charlie has to seek management blessing does that not suggest that we must seek management blessing ourselves or Mitel will come protecting their IP property? No, not unless you go to work for Mitel. I'm sure there are various property rights agreements between Mitel and its employees, which is certainly why Charlie sought a blessing. How will we easily know what part is proprietary and what part is GPL? Read the license. How easy is it to 'remove' the ServiceLink functions and install third party equivalents? Remove, or just not use. My question would be: Can one employ the bits that might exist on SME5 vis a vis ServiceLink, to provide their own ServiceLink service? Read the license seems to apply again. Does the ServiceLink have an uninstall feature? Again, assuming it is 1) installed, and 2) that the client bits are not GPL. Back to the electric/phone/cable company analogy -- if I have phone lines run to my house and have telephones connected, but have no phone service, is there a problem? Or, if I elect to not have phone service, must I then remove the telephones from my house and disconnect the lines leading to it? Still, there are questions: 1) Is the client portion of ServiceLink installed with SME5 base? 2) Is the client portion of ServiceLink GPL or commercial? As this is the new proprietary part, are we even legally permitted to remove the ServiceLink functions? Say you want to install FreeSWAN for IPSEC VPN or RAV for Antivirus or any other example you may think of. I don't think this applies. As ServiceLink is clearly an optional service (you can run SME5 without ServiceLink), then it should be no problem for you to install another antivirus solution. This seems no different than choosing to use AOL instead of MSN on your Windows system. In general, I'm amazed at the amount of paranoia this is causing. It must be fear of change, fear of the unknown -- good old human emotions! Hopefully it will all subside once fact begins to replace speculation. Getting our hands on the SME5 production release should help considerably ;-) Scott -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:41:57PM -0400, Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) wrote: Still, there are questions: 1) Is the client portion of ServiceLink installed with SME5 base? No, it's installed separately after you pay for it. 2) Is the client portion of ServiceLink GPL or commercial? There's a single perl module that's bundled but not GPL'd, which is used as a hook to download the other parts. In general, I'm amazed at the amount of paranoia this is causing. It must be fear of change, fear of the unknown -- good old human emotions! Hopefully it will all subside once fact begins to replace speculation. Getting our hands on the SME5 production release should help considerably ;-) Yes, we're looking forward to being able to give it to you :) K. -- Kirrily Skud Robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer website: http://www.e-smith.org Corporate website: http://www.e-smith.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
Hi Scott, I apprecaite your comments. I'm guessing you have first hand knowledge of SMESV5. As I am not a partner anymore I have not had a look at SMESV5 so I have questions you may consider redundant. My apologies. I have tried to ask questions that I was hoping e-smith would respond to so that the paranoia you mentioned would be answered with facts. I still feel e-smith, whom really is the only one able to answer and definitively clear these issues up, has not. I believe I am hearing that it is GPL as usual for the most part and all should be ok to continue with our contribs as usual. OK, this one is mostly answered. I have not heard that the ServiceLink IPSEC VPN or AntiVirus features may be easily not used and third party applications installed in its place. I have not heard exaclty what happens after the $595.00 3 month ServiceLink subscription ends. Until e-smith states what happens, this is open to speculation. 1) Does product support/upgrades end or is it simply the ServiceLink subscription that ends and product support/upgrades are still valid for one year like they are today? 2) Can one simply employ another DNS/Email backup provider and e-mail/DNS continues as usual or once you are set up uses the ServiceLink feature, is this a problem to change? 3) Can the IPSEC VPN be set up (customized) to work without the Mitel NOC? 4) What about the current PPTP VPN connectivity, is this tied to the IPSEC VPN or separate and not effected in any way? 5) Will the Antivirus program continue to work without the Mitel NOC simply using the last downloaded virus signatures? Can these signatures then be updated 'manually'? These are all simple questions that a quick e-smith answer would end speculation and paranoia with fact. -- Darrell May DMC NETSOURCED.COM http://netsourced.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
* Smith, Jeffery S (Scott); [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 22 Aug, 2001 wrote: I'm guessing no. I can't speak to the relative costs in other currencies, but in US dollars, $200/mo (or $175 on a 12 month basis -- where did you see that, btw?) is not much money for all be the very smallest of businesses. Given the exchange rate with other countries (I'd hate to do this in Turkish Lira!!) I can imagine the impact is felt much greater. Mitel may, as other Think positive you would be a billionaire or whatever you call when you start seeing 12 0's on the budgets :) for your info as of today 1 US$ = 1.453.000 TL six months ago it was 670.000 so you can imagine how business is when you start talking 290.600.000 TL /month (changeable next month) Bye from Istanbul turkey -- Togan Muftuoglu -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SquidGuard 2
Hi Jeff, To be honest with you, if you just want to uninstall squidguard 1 so that you can use squidguard 2, you don't have to... just run the script and it will update the system to ver 2. If you want to get rid of it perm... that's on my agenda... but simply removing the ibay, uninstalling the transproxy rpm SHOULD do it. Don't worry, I'm working on an uninstall proggy this week. Trev. -Original Message- From: Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 2:19 PM To: Trevor Ouellette Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SquidGuard 2 How does one remove squidgard 1 (from your earlier example) -Original Message- From: Trevor Ouellette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 2:05 PM To: e-smith-devinfo Subject: [e-smith-devinfo] SquidGuard 2 I'm trying to fix all the problems that were plauging the squidguard interface. If anyone cares, here's how to download/install it. I've had a lot of inexperienced people asking about content filtering, so I want to make this easy for them. I know it's unconventional (PHP scripts), please bear with me. - Log in as ROOT/PASSWORD - mkdir /squidguard2 - cd /squidguard2 - wget -nv http://www.greencomputer.com/squidguard-2.tar - tar -xf squidguard-2.tar - ./create-squidguard Rebooting is optional GRIN FIXES: Downloads the latest blacklist (Pal from squidguard removed all the bogus entries like Netscape and AOL from the blacklist). The blacklist is now called blacklist.tar.gz~ There is a workaround for when you go through the admin console and squidguard stops updating -- log in as root and enter /usr/local/squidGuard/setacls. Remember to password protect your ibay. This protects your internal network. If anyone knows how to do this from the commandline (shell please), let me know and I can implement it. Or do it yourself and send me a copy. (it's in the create-squidguard script). -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] GPL issues (was: e-smith.com (was: SME Server V5 with ServiceLin k announced))
-Original Message- From: Charlie Brady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] GPL issues (was: e-smith.com (was: SME Server V5 with ServiceLin k announced)) Not so. Consult a nearby copy of COPYING. There you will find: ... b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, ... Note, any third party. True, but this does not mean making it FREELY available, as in including source with executables or posting source to a public archive. You may distribute the program without the source AND never make the source available UNLESS asked for it. As I noted elsewhere, there is debate as to what any third party means. In common language that would appear to mean anyone and everyone, but in legals terms it apparently means something else. That is the problem with legal documents, especially those written using common language. When it comes time to interpret the document the terms used are subject to legal interpretation, which is often quite different from the common understanding. It is understood (in the US, at least) that common language loses its common understanding when used in a legal context (which is why in the US it is always a good idea to have even the simplest of legal documents drafted or at least reviewed by a qualified attorney.) this means. Either it means that if I distribute the software, then I must make code available to ANYONE who asks for it. That seems pretty clear to me. Even if that is the correct interpretation, this does not mean that just because someone finds my GPL code and says Gee, I'd like to have the source for this that the source must be readily and publically available. It only means that IF they want it, and IF they bother to ask, that I MUST provide it to them (and AT A REASONABLE COST to cover my expenses, if I so choose.) Just because they ask does not obligate me to provide it to them FREE OF CHARGE. The point I had hoped to convey was that the GPL is too often misread to mean that EVERYTHING is free, as in no charge, no money changes hands, no bounderies, mine-mine-mine. That is not the case. Quoting the Preamble of the GPL itself: When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. And from the fsf.org site defining free software (http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html): 'Free software is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of free as in free speech, not as in free beer.' Too often discussions and interpretations of the GPL neglect these fundamental principles and reach the opposite conclusion. Anyway, too much philosophy for one day ;-) Scott -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:22:58PM -, Darrell May wrote: I have not heard that the ServiceLink IPSEC VPN or AntiVirus features may be easily not used and third party applications installed in its place. You can always install 3rd party applications instead. For instance, the existing technique described in teh antivirus HOWTO (which uses RAV, IIRC) will still work just fine, or you could go through the pain of installing and setting up FreeSWAN yourself for VPNs. Of course, this won't get you the managed solution that you'd get with ServiceLink, but you can at least get an approximation of some of the functionality if you're prepared to install it the old-fashioned way and configure and support it yourself. I have not heard exaclty what happens after the $595.00 3 month ServiceLink subscription ends. Until e-smith states what happens, this is open to speculation. Ross had better answer that one, he knows the figures better than I do. But basically you get a choice of a range of ongoing support and/or ServiceLink options for various prices. 2) Can one simply employ another DNS/Email backup provider and e-mail/DNS continues as usual or once you are set up uses the ServiceLink feature, is this a problem to change? You can always use your own DNS/email setup, and you can always revert to your own setup if you want to. But again, it's fiddlier and requires more expertise, and isn't the managed solution that many businesses want. (We're actually *expecting* that most of our open source community will just do their own thing -- if they're not in our target market of SMEs who want the whole suite of integrated, managed apps and services, then it's no skin off our nose if they do the traditional longwinded messing around that's required to set this stuff up. Hell, it's what I'll be doing at home myself :)) 3) Can the IPSEC VPN be set up (customized) to work without the Mitel NOC? the IPSEC VPN ServiceLink Service can't, but *an* IPSEC VPN can. Simply (ha!) install FreeS/WAN and all its attendant bits and pieces and do the key exchange via sneakernet and ... well, whatever. You can do it. I can do it. Anyone who's an experienced Linux person can do it. But for those who *aren't* experienced Linux people, we provide them with a foolproof way of managing their VPN via ServiceLink. 4) What about the current PPTP VPN connectivity, is this tied to the IPSEC VPN or separate and not effected in any way? Not affected. 5) Will the Antivirus program continue to work without the Mitel NOC simply using the last downloaded virus signatures? Can these signatures then be updated 'manually'? Not sure. I think you'd have to keep paying *someone* for the signatures, whether it's us or whether it's the people who originally provided them. But you can certainly use RAV or whatever, as you have been able to since 4.1.x ... which of course only works for 60 days before you have to buy a license anyway :) K. -- Kirrily Skud Robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer website: http://www.e-smith.org Corporate website: http://www.e-smith.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
-Original Message- From: Kirrily Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions 1) Is the client portion of ServiceLink installed with SME5 base? No, it's installed separately after you pay for it. So, no worries there if you just want to run SME5 w/o ServiceLink. The logical follow-up question is: What if you want support for SME5 w/o ServiceLink -- is this still an option, or is SME5 Base a use at your own risk offering? 2) Is the client portion of ServiceLink GPL or commercial? There's a single perl module that's bundled but not GPL'd, which is used as a hook to download the other parts. Logical, considering the nature of the beast and the reply to #1. To equate this: I can run Linux without running Oracle. If I choose to run Oracle Applications, I can purchase that service from them and at that time load the software on my Linux system. If I choose to stop paying, the service goes away and I _should_ remove the relevant software from my system. Is that about right? Getting our hands on the SME5 production release should help considerably ;-) Yes, we're looking forward to being able to give it to you :) Give? ;-) Scott -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Kirrily Robert wrote: 4) What about the current PPTP VPN connectivity, is this tied to the IPSEC VPN or separate and not effected in any way? Not affected. Darrell, *no* existing functionality is affected. No ServiceLink software will be available for free download. If you do not buy these services, they will not affect you. Is that clear enough? If you are interested in becoming a customer, please direct further questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Otherwise, please allow us to get back to work. Wait until V5 is available for download, then if you are interested, have a look at it and work out what you can for yourself. Thanks -- Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) wrote: 1) Is the client portion of ServiceLink installed with SME5 base? No, it's installed separately after you pay for it. So, no worries there if you just want to run SME5 w/o ServiceLink. The logical follow-up question is: What if you want support for SME5 w/o ServiceLink -- is this still an option, or is SME5 Base a use at your own risk offering? This is a development forum. Please direct such business questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED], or wait until detailed information is available on the web site. Sorry for being so blunt, but this is chewing up time which should be spent doing other things. Regards on the SME5 production release should help considerably ;-) Yes, we're looking forward to being able to give it to you :) Give? Precisely. As we have done with all previous versions. -- Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
-Original Message- From: Darrell May [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions Hi Scott, I apprecaite your comments. I'm guessing you have first hand knowledge of SMESV5. As I am not a partner anymore I have not had a look at SMESV5 so I have questions you may consider redundant. My apologies. I've seen a fair bit of it, and I have the beta but to my shame have had far too little time to work with it. I have not heard that the ServiceLink IPSEC VPN or AntiVirus features may be easily not used and third party applications installed in its place. I believe Kirilly's last reply answers this -- ServiceLink is only installed once purchased. This means that if there are third party alternatives available, they could certainly be used. I have not heard exaclty what happens after the $595.00 3 month ServiceLink subscription ends. Until e-smith states what happens, this is open to speculation. I don't see the need to speculate. ServiceLink is a commercial offering. If you don't pay, you can't play :-) I suppose I'm putting words in their mouth, but if you pay for three months worth and decide not to continue paying, why should they continue providing? 1) Does product support/upgrades end or is it simply the ServiceLink subscription that ends and product support/upgrades are still valid for one year like they are today? I think the confusion is because there is no mention of support OUTSIDE of the ServiceLink agreement. I'm guessing that is the only way to get support. As to upgrades, for the base SME5 product I'd assume it will be business as historically usual. 2) Can one simply employ another DNS/Email backup provider and e-mail/DNS continues as usual or once you are set up uses the ServiceLink feature, is this a problem to change? This is already possible through several of the Dynamic DNS providers, so I don't see what the problem is. These are services to ease maintenance and enhance reliability -- they are NOT essential components required in order to make the server work. I'm quite sure that, once you choose to not pay for ServiceLink and remove the ServiceLink software, that the SME server goes back to business as usual. At the very worst, if it does not, you would need only to make a backup, reload the server in question, and restore the necessary files. But I can't imagine they'd have made it that tough. 3) Can the IPSEC VPN be set up (customized) to work without the Mitel NOC? No. Or at least not easily. You'd need to create your own NOC to mimic the capability. However, since the IPSec VPN components are there, I'm sure some enterprising soul will figure out how to do server-to-server VPNs w/o the NOC. I doubt it will be as easy and reliable, though. 4) What about the current PPTP VPN connectivity, is this tied to the IPSEC VPN or separate and not effected in any way? No, it is not tied in, so no, it is not affected. PPTP VPN is business as usual, unaffected by ServiceLink. 5) Will the Antivirus program continue to work without the Mitel NOC simply using the last downloaded virus signatures? Can these signatures then be updated 'manually'? Good question, and this one I can't answer. Obviously there must be bits hooked into the mail system to provide this feature. If those bits are proprietary, then dropping ServiceLink should rightfully terminate those hooks. But, again, there is nothing to prevent someone from making a GPL AV contrib, which could even include automatic updates. These are all simple questions that a quick e-smith answer would end speculation and paranoia with fact. Actually, Darrell, most of your questions sound like Can I use ServiceLink and get support without paying for it? I'm sure that's not what you intend, but that is how it comes across. I think it is pretty safe (and someone from Mitel will correct me if I'm wrong) to say that ServiceLink is there to use if you want to pay for it, and if you don't then the base system is there for you to use. In my mind, the only gray area not yet addressed is if there will be some form of paid support for the base system, or if the only way to get support from Mitel is to buy ServiceLink? Of course, not being an Authorized Partner either, I can't say what arrangements exist in that arena. Scott -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
What IPSEC VPN implementation are you guys using? Is it a freeswan implementation or is it licensed/purchased technology? If you don't want to say, I understand. I was just wondering whether the FreeS/WAN is a cheaper alternative, if we could somehow work it into the manager... might take some time though. Did you (e-smith team) try work with the FreeS/WAN at all, trying to tie it into the ServiceLink? Thanks for you time, Trev. the IPSEC VPN ServiceLink Service can't, but *an* IPSEC VPN can. Simply (ha!) install FreeS/WAN and all its attendant bits and pieces and do the key exchange via sneakernet and ... well, whatever. You can do it. I can do it. Anyone who's an experienced Linux person can do it. But for those who *aren't* experienced Linux people, we provide them with a foolproof way of managing their VPN via ServiceLink. -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ross Laver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) wrote: snip On the other hand, it does remove home and very small business users as potential clients. It may preclude home users as potential clients, but it doesn't *remove* them, inasmuch as we don't currently have any home user customers and we've never gone after home users as a market. Speaking for my colleagues, I think I can say that going after the small/medium business market is a full-time job, thank you very much :-) Ross -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org Not quite true I am a fully paid up with a support contract home user. -- Timothy Pugh -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
Thanks Kirrily for answering my questions today most thoroughly and with a degree of professionalism that was refreshing ;- -- Darrell May DMC NETSOURCED.COM http://netsourced.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
Yes, I used to work for a company with offices in Istanbul. My first trip over in Nov 95 had the exchange rate at about 55.000 TL, and my last trip in Jun 98 it was at 260.000 TL. I had to change $500(US) into Lira on that trip -- quite a sizable stack of paper! And yes, $200(US) per month would not work in Turkey. We were paying a Graphic Artist, who would make about $35.000(US) per year here, only $125(US) per week! So the economy of paying $200(US) per month for a Mitel server just does not make sense. We had a similar problem trying to replace one man running a film developer with an automated unit. The new unit was $80.000(US), whereas the gentleman doing it manually was paid $20(US) per week. Takes a long time to justify the expense! (Lest anyone think it was a case of the evil Americans paying low wages and raping the foreign labor, we were only marketing partners with the company -- all salaries for local employees were set by the local owners.) Scott -Original Message- From: Togan Muftuoglu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:24 PM To: e-smith-devinfo Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions * Smith, Jeffery S (Scott); [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 22 Aug, 2001 wrote: I'm guessing no. I can't speak to the relative costs in other currencies, but in US dollars, $200/mo (or $175 on a 12 month basis -- where did you see that, btw?) is not much money for all be the very smallest of businesses. Given the exchange rate with other countries (I'd hate to do this in Turkish Lira!!) I can imagine the impact is felt much greater. Mitel may, as other Think positive you would be a billionaire or whatever you call when you start seeing 12 0's on the budgets :) for your info as of today 1 US$ = 1.453.000 TL six months ago it was 670.000 so you can imagine how business is when you start talking 290.600.000 TL /month (changeable next month) Bye from Istanbul turkey -- Togan Muftuoglu -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 with ServiceLink announced
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) wrote: On the other hand, it does remove home and very small business users as potential clients. remove? I don't think so. Almost none of my existing or potential clients can afford the NOC services version 5 offers, but that doesn't make the offering without NOS services just as attractive as it always has been. -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] Backup to desktop ?
Is it possible to alter the 'backup to desktop' function to backup to a directory on the ES drive, or even to mount a CDRW and burn it to there ? anyone made any progress in this area ? any help appreciated. --jeff smime.p7s
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5 questions
In my mind, the only gray area not yet addressed is if there will be some form of paid support for the base system, or if the only way to get support from Mitel is to buy ServiceLink? Charlie is right -- these are business issues, not development issues, and hence don't belong on this list. But folks, all you have to do is wander over to e-smith.com. That's where we address the business issues, including this one. Ross -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Backup to desktop ?
Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is it possible to alter the 'backup to desktop' function to backup to a directory on the ES drive, or even to mount a CDRW and burn it to there ? anyone made any progress in this area ? any help appreciated. --jeff To directly answer your question, yes it is possible to do just about anything, when you know how :) It is easier to use the flexbackup software to backup to a directory. I posted a message to Des Dougan with the HowTo a few days ago. Search this list. -- Darrell May DMC NETSOURCED.COM http://netsourced.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Advise...
e-smith is just a customid redhat so it probably could be, but i wouldn't recommendend it as it is specificly targetted to small and medium sized enterprises.. You would probably be better off with standard redhat,suse slackware whatever... - Original Message - From: Alexander Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: [e-smith-devinfo] Advise... Hi there... Can e-smith be used as a serious, expect high trafic, web server? running on a dual processor machine with 1 gig of ram??? Can it also be used as a serious database server (probably db2) running on a quad xeon machine with 4 gb or fam, and 640 GB fibre channel disk array??? Thanks for your comments... -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] SMESV5 pricing [was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME Server V5]questions
Ross Laver [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But folks, all you have to do is wander over to e-smith.com. That's where we address the business issues, including this one. Just to assist everyone, I found the actual SMESV5 w. ServiceLink price list here: http://e-smith.com/pdfs/products_table_8.23.pdf Take a look... -- Darrell May DMC NETSOURCED.COM http://netsourced.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Advise...
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 02:36:44AM +0200, Jelmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: e-smith is just a customid redhat so it probably could be, but i wouldn't recommendend it as it is specificly targetted to small and medium sized enterprises.. You would probably be better off with standard redhat,suse slackware whatever... Why do it the hard way? The performance of e-smith will be identical to the performance of RedHat (since we use the same kernel, libraries, etc.), and we provide a management layer on top. Packages which install on the corresponding RedHat release will install directly on e-smith and you can manually configure them if you wish, or add templates and actions to have it done automatically. Gordon -- Gordon Rowell[EMAIL PROTECTED] VP Engineering Network Server Solutions Group http://www.e-smith.com Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Advise...
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:23:39PM -0500, Alexander Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there... Can e-smith be used as a serious, expect high trafic, web server? running on a dual processor machine with 1 gig of ram??? Yes. e-smith fully supports SMP machines (assuming your motherboard is support by the appropriate RedHat release) and Apache is certainly up to high traffic loads. Can it also be used as a serious database server (probably db2) running on a quad xeon machine with 4 gb or fam, and 640 GB fibre channel disk array??? Yes, assuming the hardware is supported by the appropriate RedHat release. You will need to do some post-install customisation as e-smith is designed for a single disk or mirrored disk pair install. Large database servers tend to run well with lots of spindles, with tables, logs and indexes split across those spindles. However, this is no different from building a large database server on any other *nix variant. Thanks, Gordon -- Gordon Rowell[EMAIL PROTECTED] VP Engineering Network Server Solutions Group http://www.e-smith.com Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SquidGuard interface 2nd release
Trevor Thanks again, for the squidGuard package. I honestly didn't have any problems I knew of with ver. 1, but I figured I could guinea pig my home system for you. Works great, as advertised, without a reboot... Allen -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] GPL issues
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Trevor Ouellette wrote: code. Mailing or shipping costs are also ok. Just my 2 cents... :-) Which may well be ample to cover your cost, assuming that you are shipping via email. Even if that is the correct interpretation, this does not mean that just because someone finds my GPL code and says Gee, I'd like to have the source for this that the source must be readily and publically available. It only means that IF they want it, and IF they bother to ask, that I MUST provide it to them (and AT A REASONABLE COST to cover my expenses, if I so choose.) In fact, at a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution. Just because they ask does not obligate me to provide it to them FREE OF CHARGE. See above. Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Mail failure
Happy with that I thought I was going insane... couldn't find a fault anywhere Thankyou, Jason Green, Lotus Notes Admin/Developer. Canberra Australia. Charlie Brady charlieb@e-sm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ith.com cc: Subject: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Mail failure 23/08/01 01:03 AM Woops, apologies to Lotus. These particular bounces are coming from: MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12 It's still incorrect behaviour Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] SCSI Driver
I'm trying to add a 8gb DAT drive to my ES box, can anyone help me. when i do insmod wd7000 i get this: [root@e-smith /root]# modprobe wd7000 /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/scsi/wd7000.o: init_module: Device or resource busy Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/scsi/wd7000.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/scsi/wd7000.o failed /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/scsi/wd7000.o: insmod wd7000 failed also same results with insmod wd7000 irq=10 anyone know how to get this to work ? -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SquidGuard interface 2nd release
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Allen Rapini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Trevor Thanks again, for the squidGuard package. I honestly didn't have any problems I knew of with ver. 1, but I figured I could guinea pig my home system for you. Works great, as advertised, without a reboot... Allen I my self wood agree not seen any problems it works a treat !!. -- Timothy Pugh -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SquidGuard interface 2nd release
In message FNZ$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Timothy Pugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Allen Rapini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Trevor Thanks again, for the squidGuard package. I honestly didn't have any problems I knew of with ver. 1, but I figured I could guinea pig my home system for you. Works great, as advertised, without a reboot... Allen I my self wood agree not seen any problems it works a treat !!. It's early in the morning and yes my brain (wood) or is it would not work !!. -- Timothy Pugh -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
