Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Dan Roberts]

Hi Everyone,
As I mentioned on IRC, I want to finish drafting the Hackathon
announcement ASAP so I can get it to my uni's ACM (along with a short
"what is freenet?").

We started a piratepad about a week ago for the announcement (which
I'd like to get up on freenetproject.org when it's complete):
http://piratepad.net/lhsiYf5m5Q and I believe I've implemented
Prometheas' changes. Does anyone have further changes they'd like to
add? I believe in the process I also addressed Steve's concern about
not over-specifying what people should work on.

The announcement links to here: https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Wiki/Hackathon

Does anyone have any additions, corrections, or subtractions they want
to apply there?

Thanks everyone.

Cheers,
Dan

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Dan Roberts  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> It's been a week without any objections to the dates.
>
> Therefore, the hackathon will be December 19-20th.
>
> The topic remains an open discussion, however.
>
> Arne proposed Winterface, which I am interested in. However, I do have
> some questions:
>
> - How many people really know the Winterface code base well enough to
> help us newbies keep moving?
> - Is it more useful to work on FProxy's UI or Winterface in the medium term?
>  * Can anyone comment about the merits of working on Winterface
> versus removing warts from FProxy's UI from a "utility" perspective?
> In other words, is the core team open to "blessing" Winterface in some
> fashion if it became polished enough? If Winterface, for one reason or
> another, is doomed to remain an experimental plugin for the
> foreseeable future, perhaps it's more useful to shave warts off of
> FProxy's UI?
>
> It sounds like there are a number of veterans interested in hacking on
> various projects that interest them. So long as there are veterans
> around who are knowledgeable about the code us newbies will be
> touching, I'm just happy that people will be hacking.
>
> Announcement Wording
> ===
>
> I'd like to advertise the hackathon on freenetproject.org. Assuming
> the appropriate project leaders approve of this, my first pass of the
> text is:
>
> The Freenet Project is holding a hackathon the weekend of December
> 19th and 20th.
> The hackathon is open to developers of all skill levels, and will be held
> remotely over [IRC](help.html#irc) as well as on Freenet's anonymous IRC
> system, FLIP (link?).
>
> If you would like to participate, please let us know (HOW?), and
> suggest a topic to
> hack on. On Friday, December 18th, we would like for all participants to
> sign up on the Bug Tracker (?), have Freenet installed, and be ready
> for the hackathon!
>
> Of course, feel free to join us on our [Mailing
> List](https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl) or
> on [IRC](help.html#irc) any time and introduce yourself.
>
> -
>
> Problems with the above:
>
> - General wording is awkward
> - What contact methods should be listed for RSVP? (Contact on ML only?)
> - If Winterface ends up being the topic, should anyone sign up for the
> bug tracker?
>
>
> Finally, should phrasing this announcement be coordinated off-list?
>
> Thanks everyone and cheers,
> Dan
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Dan Roberts  wrote:
>> I can commit to December 19-20th. If anybody has a strong objection to
>> those dates please speak up soon, otherwise I'd like to consider those
>> dates fixed.
>>
>> Regardless of date, does anyone have an opinion on topics?
>> - Steve made a good point that UI code is probably a good topic for
>> newbies, as it generally shouldn't require deep knowledge of Freenet.
>> - Dean also mentioned just generally "bug squashing", I think I'd
>> prefer to be slightly more focused but it could work well.
>> - I don't believe localization should be a primary focus of this
>> hackathon, but it might be a good secondary topic, or topic of a
>> future hackathon.
>> - If the veteran-to-newbie ratio is high, perhaps some deeper topics
>> could be attempted. We'll know closer to the date what to expect. If
>> that were the situation, do any veterans have some particular bugs
>> they'd want to attempt?
>>
>> Any other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:14 PM, xor  wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 23, 2015 08:26:39 AM Dan Roberts wrote:
 Hi Steve,
 Thanks for proposing a date, unfortunately I actually have final
 exams the week of December 14th so I have very limited availability
 that weekend. I was also hoping to try to rally some people from my
 university, so the weekend before finals week is doubly difficult.
 However, realistically, I think I'd be lucky to attract more than 2-3
 interested students anyways, so that may not really matter, especially
 if Dec 12-13 works best for others.
>>>
>>> I would be unhappy if you didn't participate! :) You've done very good at
>>> acquiring lots of 

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Danton Medrado]

wonderful! unfortunately I will be traveling, but I'm sure it will be a
great experience.
Hugs

Medrado


Em Seg, 2015-11-09 às 13:21 -0800, Dan Roberts escreveu:
> Hi Everyone,
> As I mentioned on IRC, I want to finish drafting the Hackathon
> announcement ASAP so I can get it to my uni's ACM (along with a short
> "what is freenet?").
> 
> We started a piratepad about a week ago for the announcement (which
> I'd like to get up on freenetproject.org when it's complete):
> http://piratepad.net/lhsiYf5m5Q and I believe I've implemented
> Prometheas' changes. Does anyone have further changes they'd like to
> add? I believe in the process I also addressed Steve's concern about
> not over-specifying what people should work on.
> 
> The announcement links to here: https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Wiki/
> Hackathon
> 
> Does anyone have any additions, corrections, or subtractions they
> want
> to apply there?
> 
> Thanks everyone.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dan
> 
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Dan Roberts 
> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> > It's been a week without any objections to the dates.
> > 
> > Therefore, the hackathon will be December 19-20th.
> > 
> > The topic remains an open discussion, however.
> > 
> > Arne proposed Winterface, which I am interested in. However, I do
> > have
> > some questions:
> > 
> > - How many people really know the Winterface code base well enough
> > to
> > help us newbies keep moving?
> > - Is it more useful to work on FProxy's UI or Winterface in the
> > medium term?
> >  * Can anyone comment about the merits of working on Winterface
> > versus removing warts from FProxy's UI from a "utility"
> > perspective?
> > In other words, is the core team open to "blessing" Winterface in
> > some
> > fashion if it became polished enough? If Winterface, for one reason
> > or
> > another, is doomed to remain an experimental plugin for the
> > foreseeable future, perhaps it's more useful to shave warts off of
> > FProxy's UI?
> > 
> > It sounds like there are a number of veterans interested in hacking
> > on
> > various projects that interest them. So long as there are veterans
> > around who are knowledgeable about the code us newbies will be
> > touching, I'm just happy that people will be hacking.
> > 
> > Announcement Wording
> > ===
> > 
> > I'd like to advertise the hackathon on freenetproject.org. Assuming
> > the appropriate project leaders approve of this, my first pass of
> > the
> > text is:
> > 
> > The Freenet Project is holding a hackathon the weekend of December
> > 19th and 20th.
> > The hackathon is open to developers of all skill levels, and will
> > be held
> > remotely over [IRC](help.html#irc) as well as on Freenet's
> > anonymous IRC
> > system, FLIP (link?).
> > 
> > If you would like to participate, please let us know (HOW?), and
> > suggest a topic to
> > hack on. On Friday, December 18th, we would like for all
> > participants to
> > sign up on the Bug Tracker (?), have Freenet installed, and be
> > ready
> > for the hackathon!
> > 
> > Of course, feel free to join us on our [Mailing
> > List](https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl)
> > or
> > on [IRC](help.html#irc) any time and introduce yourself.
> > 
> > -
> > 
> > Problems with the above:
> > 
> > - General wording is awkward
> > - What contact methods should be listed for RSVP? (Contact on ML
> > only?)
> > - If Winterface ends up being the topic, should anyone sign up for
> > the
> > bug tracker?
> > 
> > 
> > Finally, should phrasing this announcement be coordinated off-list?
> > 
> > Thanks everyone and cheers,
> > Dan
> > 
> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Dan Roberts 
> > wrote:
> > > I can commit to December 19-20th. If anybody has a strong
> > > objection to
> > > those dates please speak up soon, otherwise I'd like to consider
> > > those
> > > dates fixed.
> > > 
> > > Regardless of date, does anyone have an opinion on topics?
> > > - Steve made a good point that UI code is probably a good topic
> > > for
> > > newbies, as it generally shouldn't require deep knowledge of
> > > Freenet.
> > > - Dean also mentioned just generally "bug squashing", I think I'd
> > > prefer to be slightly more focused but it could work well.
> > > - I don't believe localization should be a primary focus of this
> > > hackathon, but it might be a good secondary topic, or topic of a
> > > future hackathon.
> > > - If the veteran-to-newbie ratio is high, perhaps some deeper
> > > topics
> > > could be attempted. We'll know closer to the date what to expect.
> > > If
> > > that were the situation, do any veterans have some particular
> > > bugs
> > > they'd want to attempt?
> > > 
> > > Any other suggestions?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dan
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:14 PM, xor 
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 23, 2015 08:26:39 AM Dan Roberts wrote:
> > > > > Hi Steve,
> > > > > 

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Dan Roberts]

Hi Everyone,
It's been a week without any objections to the dates.

Therefore, the hackathon will be December 19-20th.

The topic remains an open discussion, however.

Arne proposed Winterface, which I am interested in. However, I do have
some questions:

- How many people really know the Winterface code base well enough to
help us newbies keep moving?
- Is it more useful to work on FProxy's UI or Winterface in the medium term?
 * Can anyone comment about the merits of working on Winterface
versus removing warts from FProxy's UI from a "utility" perspective?
In other words, is the core team open to "blessing" Winterface in some
fashion if it became polished enough? If Winterface, for one reason or
another, is doomed to remain an experimental plugin for the
foreseeable future, perhaps it's more useful to shave warts off of
FProxy's UI?

It sounds like there are a number of veterans interested in hacking on
various projects that interest them. So long as there are veterans
around who are knowledgeable about the code us newbies will be
touching, I'm just happy that people will be hacking.

Announcement Wording
===

I'd like to advertise the hackathon on freenetproject.org. Assuming
the appropriate project leaders approve of this, my first pass of the
text is:

The Freenet Project is holding a hackathon the weekend of December
19th and 20th.
The hackathon is open to developers of all skill levels, and will be held
remotely over [IRC](help.html#irc) as well as on Freenet's anonymous IRC
system, FLIP (link?).

If you would like to participate, please let us know (HOW?), and
suggest a topic to
hack on. On Friday, December 18th, we would like for all participants to
sign up on the Bug Tracker (?), have Freenet installed, and be ready
for the hackathon!

Of course, feel free to join us on our [Mailing
List](https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl) or
on [IRC](help.html#irc) any time and introduce yourself.

-

Problems with the above:

- General wording is awkward
- What contact methods should be listed for RSVP? (Contact on ML only?)
- If Winterface ends up being the topic, should anyone sign up for the
bug tracker?


Finally, should phrasing this announcement be coordinated off-list?

Thanks everyone and cheers,
Dan

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Dan Roberts  wrote:
> I can commit to December 19-20th. If anybody has a strong objection to
> those dates please speak up soon, otherwise I'd like to consider those
> dates fixed.
>
> Regardless of date, does anyone have an opinion on topics?
> - Steve made a good point that UI code is probably a good topic for
> newbies, as it generally shouldn't require deep knowledge of Freenet.
> - Dean also mentioned just generally "bug squashing", I think I'd
> prefer to be slightly more focused but it could work well.
> - I don't believe localization should be a primary focus of this
> hackathon, but it might be a good secondary topic, or topic of a
> future hackathon.
> - If the veteran-to-newbie ratio is high, perhaps some deeper topics
> could be attempted. We'll know closer to the date what to expect. If
> that were the situation, do any veterans have some particular bugs
> they'd want to attempt?
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:14 PM, xor  wrote:
>> On Friday, October 23, 2015 08:26:39 AM Dan Roberts wrote:
>>> Hi Steve,
>>> Thanks for proposing a date, unfortunately I actually have final
>>> exams the week of December 14th so I have very limited availability
>>> that weekend. I was also hoping to try to rally some people from my
>>> university, so the weekend before finals week is doubly difficult.
>>> However, realistically, I think I'd be lucky to attract more than 2-3
>>> interested students anyways, so that may not really matter, especially
>>> if Dec 12-13 works best for others.
>>
>> I would be unhappy if you didn't participate! :) You've done very good at
>> acquiring lots of knowledge during the IRC discussions, and you should get
>> your chance to be able to finally hit the keyboard with code :)
>>
>> What about Dec 19 & 20?
>> People are anyway more likely to have vacation then than the weekend before,
>> so it might be a better date for everyone?
>>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[charles]

I am hoping to be free then. I'd love to work on some crypto related
stuff in fred. Either more on some of my unfinished APIs like signatures
and hashing or actually just implementing the finished ones in more
places that nextgens hasn't already worked on with his current work.

-Charles

On 10/25/15 5:09 PM, Dan Roberts wrote:
> I can commit to December 19-20th. If anybody has a strong objection to
> those dates please speak up soon, otherwise I'd like to consider those
> dates fixed.
>
> Regardless of date, does anyone have an opinion on topics?
> - Steve made a good point that UI code is probably a good topic for
> newbies, as it generally shouldn't require deep knowledge of Freenet.
> - Dean also mentioned just generally "bug squashing", I think I'd
> prefer to be slightly more focused but it could work well.
> - I don't believe localization should be a primary focus of this
> hackathon, but it might be a good secondary topic, or topic of a
> future hackathon.
> - If the veteran-to-newbie ratio is high, perhaps some deeper topics
> could be attempted. We'll know closer to the date what to expect. If
> that were the situation, do any veterans have some particular bugs
> they'd want to attempt?
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:14 PM, xor  wrote:
>> On Friday, October 23, 2015 08:26:39 AM Dan Roberts wrote:
>>> Hi Steve,
>>> Thanks for proposing a date, unfortunately I actually have final
>>> exams the week of December 14th so I have very limited availability
>>> that weekend. I was also hoping to try to rally some people from my
>>> university, so the weekend before finals week is doubly difficult.
>>> However, realistically, I think I'd be lucky to attract more than 2-3
>>> interested students anyways, so that may not really matter, especially
>>> if Dec 12-13 works best for others.
>> I would be unhappy if you didn't participate! :) You've done very good at
>> acquiring lots of knowledge during the IRC discussions, and you should get
>> your chance to be able to finally hit the keyboard with code :)
>>
>> What about Dec 19 & 20?
>> People are anyway more likely to have vacation then than the weekend before,
>> so it might be a better date for everyone?
>>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Dan Roberts]

I can commit to December 19-20th. If anybody has a strong objection to
those dates please speak up soon, otherwise I'd like to consider those
dates fixed.

Regardless of date, does anyone have an opinion on topics?
- Steve made a good point that UI code is probably a good topic for
newbies, as it generally shouldn't require deep knowledge of Freenet.
- Dean also mentioned just generally "bug squashing", I think I'd
prefer to be slightly more focused but it could work well.
- I don't believe localization should be a primary focus of this
hackathon, but it might be a good secondary topic, or topic of a
future hackathon.
- If the veteran-to-newbie ratio is high, perhaps some deeper topics
could be attempted. We'll know closer to the date what to expect. If
that were the situation, do any veterans have some particular bugs
they'd want to attempt?

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,
Dan

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:14 PM, xor  wrote:
> On Friday, October 23, 2015 08:26:39 AM Dan Roberts wrote:
>> Hi Steve,
>> Thanks for proposing a date, unfortunately I actually have final
>> exams the week of December 14th so I have very limited availability
>> that weekend. I was also hoping to try to rally some people from my
>> university, so the weekend before finals week is doubly difficult.
>> However, realistically, I think I'd be lucky to attract more than 2-3
>> interested students anyways, so that may not really matter, especially
>> if Dec 12-13 works best for others.
>
> I would be unhappy if you didn't participate! :) You've done very good at
> acquiring lots of knowledge during the IRC discussions, and you should get
> your chance to be able to finally hit the keyboard with code :)
>
> What about Dec 19 & 20?
> People are anyway more likely to have vacation then than the weekend before,
> so it might be a better date for everyone?
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2015, 14:09:33 schrieb Dan Roberts:
> - Steve made a good point that UI code is probably a good topic for
> newbies, as it generally shouldn't require deep knowledge of Freenet.

It would be great to have Winterface on the list. Lots of low hanging
fruit to move forward with modernizing the web interface and moving it
in a plugin.

I think the newest is currently here:

- https://github.com/ArneBab/Winterface

Best wishes,
Arne
-- 
Unpolitisch sein
heißt politisch sein, 
ohne es zu merken. 
- Arne (http://draketo.de)




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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Matthew Toseland]

On 23/10/15 22:42, xor wrote:
> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:39:28 PM Steve Dougherty wrote:
>> Does December 12th - 13th work for people?
> Yes.
>
> I suppose I should try to attend as advisor, not by writing code myself, so I 
> have enough time to help people with issues they encounter?
Personally I hope to do both... 12-13th would be fine for me but so
would any weekend over Christmas really. But we should aim for some time
when newbies will be available.



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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Steve Dougherty]

What time works for you? Perhaps that too will work for others.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015, 11:26 AM Dan Roberts  wrote:

> Hi Steve,
> Thanks for proposing a date, unfortunately I actually have final
> exams the week of December 14th so I have very limited availability
> that weekend. I was also hoping to try to rally some people from my
> university, so the weekend before finals week is doubly difficult.
> However, realistically, I think I'd be lucky to attract more than 2-3
> interested students anyways, so that may not really matter, especially
> if Dec 12-13 works best for others.
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Steve Dougherty 
> wrote:
> > Does December 12th - 13th work for people?
> >
> >
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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Matthew Toseland]

On 23/10/15 04:39, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> Does December 12th - 13th work for people?
Works for me.



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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Dan Roberts]

Hi Steve,
Thanks for proposing a date, unfortunately I actually have final
exams the week of December 14th so I have very limited availability
that weekend. I was also hoping to try to rally some people from my
university, so the weekend before finals week is doubly difficult.
However, realistically, I think I'd be lucky to attract more than 2-3
interested students anyways, so that may not really matter, especially
if Dec 12-13 works best for others.

Cheers,
Dan

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Steve Dougherty  wrote:
> Does December 12th - 13th work for people?
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[xor]

On Friday, October 23, 2015 08:26:39 AM Dan Roberts wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Thanks for proposing a date, unfortunately I actually have final
> exams the week of December 14th so I have very limited availability
> that weekend. I was also hoping to try to rally some people from my
> university, so the weekend before finals week is doubly difficult.
> However, realistically, I think I'd be lucky to attract more than 2-3
> interested students anyways, so that may not really matter, especially
> if Dec 12-13 works best for others.

I would be unhappy if you didn't participate! :) You've done very good at 
acquiring lots of knowledge during the IRC discussions, and you should get 
your chance to be able to finally hit the keyboard with code :)

What about Dec 19 & 20?
People are anyway more likely to have vacation then than the weekend before, 
so it might be a better date for everyone?

Greetings

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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[xor]

On Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:39:28 PM Steve Dougherty wrote:
> Does December 12th - 13th work for people?

Yes.

I suppose I should try to attend as advisor, not by writing code myself, so I 
have enough time to help people with issues they encounter?

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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Steve Dougherty]

Does December 12th - 13th work for people?



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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Travis Wellman]

I'd hack in a hackathon! (if I have time that weekend, of course)

On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 18:09 +1000, dean wrote:
> On 10/21/15 13:54, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> > On 10/20/2015 10:10 PM, Dan Roberts wrote:
> > > Hi Everybody,
> > > 
> > > Is anyone interested in a Freenet hackathon?
> > 
> > I am!
> 
> I think this is a great idea.
> 
> > ...
> > > Given the rather dire sounding "Project Status" thread, one
> > > of the first threads I caught since I signed up for the ML, I
> > > think a
> > > this might be useful to re-envigorate the project.
> > 
> > Agreed.
> > 
> > > Proposal
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I propose that the Freenet Project hold a 48-hour weekend
> > > hackathon
> > > (00:00 Saturday to 23:59 Sunday) sometime this fall or winter,
> > > and
> > > advertise it for a month or so prior.
> > 
> > Sounds good. I can look into whether something around my local
> > cryptoparty can get involved as well.
> > 
> > > To do this, the project needs a few things:
> > > 
> > > 1. A straight forward goal or priority, and lots of low-hanging
> > > -fruit
> > >bugs contributing to that goal.
> > 
> > Any ideas for that? Fixing UI annoyances? Probably-physical-layer
> > bugs
> > like https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=6612 ? Going
> > through
> > and finding strange code that can be improved? Darknet invites?
> > 
> > UI things seem likely to be the most accessible thing for newcomers
> > that
> > comes to mind.
> 
> This is true, it could also be partly a bug squashing party? That
> gives
> us lots of small attainable goals ( maybe...) .
> 
> > 
> > > 2. A guide to getting up and running quickly (perhaps gradle is
> > > useful
> > >here?). https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Building_from_source
> > >definitely needs a bit of help either way though (I can at
> > > least
> > >update the command-line section).
> > 
> > https://github.com/freenet/fred/pull/412 exists and could be a good
> > starting point; I agree that gradle seems like a better near-term
> > solution.
> > 
> > > 3. Support for green developers. There will be a lot of
> > > questions.
> > >(Although it may lead to a "blind-leading the blind"
> > > situation, I
> > >volunteer here.)
> > 
> > I plan to be around as well. Anyone else?
> 
> Id like to be around if I can, although I'm more on the green side ;
> -)
> 
> > 
> > > Possible issues
> > > ===
> > > 
> > > I imagine one possible objection to this initiative is that code
> > > reviewer time is finite, perhaps the increased contribution
> > > volume would
> > > actually be counterproductive? If this is the case, then a
> > > hackathon is
> > > probably a non-starter, unless a large backlog of non-critical
> > > patches
> > > is acceptable.
> > 
> > I'd be surprised if people go from a new codebase to anything
> > requiring
> > long review in the span of 48 hours. I'll be around, and hopefully
> > other
> > people who can review things as well, so I'd expect us to be able
> > to
> > deal with much if not all of it very quickly.
> > 
> > > The other issue is that few if any of us are in the same time
> > > zones. I
> > > believe this is pretty much a non-issue, it would be a 48-hour
> > > event,
> > > and if all existing developers commit to participating for some
> > > portion
> > > of the weekend, there will probably be significant overlap (which
> > > is
> > > good).
> > > 
> > > Even if there is zero new-developer turnout, it would be useful
> > > to the
> > > project to have a designated time when everyone is working
> > > together (and
> > > in fact perhaps be more productive in that sense).
> > 
> > Agreed.
> 
> If this could be made a regular thing it could be advertised and
> could
> definitely help newbie's get involved.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dean.
> 
> 
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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[dean]

On 10/21/15 13:54, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> On 10/20/2015 10:10 PM, Dan Roberts wrote:
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> Is anyone interested in a Freenet hackathon?
> 
> I am!

I think this is a great idea.

> ...
>> Given the rather dire sounding "Project Status" thread, one
>> of the first threads I caught since I signed up for the ML, I think a
>> this might be useful to re-envigorate the project.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
>> Proposal
>> 
>>
>> I propose that the Freenet Project hold a 48-hour weekend hackathon
>> (00:00 Saturday to 23:59 Sunday) sometime this fall or winter, and
>> advertise it for a month or so prior.
> 
> Sounds good. I can look into whether something around my local
> cryptoparty can get involved as well.
> 
>> To do this, the project needs a few things:
>>
>> 1. A straight forward goal or priority, and lots of low-hanging-fruit
>>bugs contributing to that goal.
> 
> Any ideas for that? Fixing UI annoyances? Probably-physical-layer bugs
> like https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=6612 ? Going through
> and finding strange code that can be improved? Darknet invites?
> 
> UI things seem likely to be the most accessible thing for newcomers that
> comes to mind.

This is true, it could also be partly a bug squashing party? That gives
us lots of small attainable goals ( maybe...) .

> 
>> 2. A guide to getting up and running quickly (perhaps gradle is useful
>>here?). https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Building_from_source
>>definitely needs a bit of help either way though (I can at least
>>update the command-line section).
> 
> https://github.com/freenet/fred/pull/412 exists and could be a good
> starting point; I agree that gradle seems like a better near-term solution.
> 
>> 3. Support for green developers. There will be a lot of questions.
>>(Although it may lead to a "blind-leading the blind" situation, I
>>volunteer here.)
> 
> I plan to be around as well. Anyone else?

Id like to be around if I can, although I'm more on the green side ;-)

> 
>> Possible issues
>> ===
>>
>> I imagine one possible objection to this initiative is that code
>> reviewer time is finite, perhaps the increased contribution volume would
>> actually be counterproductive? If this is the case, then a hackathon is
>> probably a non-starter, unless a large backlog of non-critical patches
>> is acceptable.
> 
> I'd be surprised if people go from a new codebase to anything requiring
> long review in the span of 48 hours. I'll be around, and hopefully other
> people who can review things as well, so I'd expect us to be able to
> deal with much if not all of it very quickly.
> 
>> The other issue is that few if any of us are in the same time zones. I
>> believe this is pretty much a non-issue, it would be a 48-hour event,
>> and if all existing developers commit to participating for some portion
>> of the weekend, there will probably be significant overlap (which is
>> good).
>>
>> Even if there is zero new-developer turnout, it would be useful to the
>> project to have a designated time when everyone is working together (and
>> in fact perhaps be more productive in that sense).
> 
> Agreed.

If this could be made a regular thing it could be advertised and could
definitely help newbie's get involved.

Cheers,
Dean.




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Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Hackathon?

[Steve Dougherty]

On 10/20/2015 10:10 PM, Dan Roberts wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> Is anyone interested in a Freenet hackathon?

I am!

...
> Given the rather dire sounding "Project Status" thread, one
> of the first threads I caught since I signed up for the ML, I think a
> this might be useful to re-envigorate the project.

Agreed.

> Proposal
> 
> 
> I propose that the Freenet Project hold a 48-hour weekend hackathon
> (00:00 Saturday to 23:59 Sunday) sometime this fall or winter, and
> advertise it for a month or so prior.

Sounds good. I can look into whether something around my local
cryptoparty can get involved as well.

> To do this, the project needs a few things:
> 
> 1. A straight forward goal or priority, and lots of low-hanging-fruit
>bugs contributing to that goal.

Any ideas for that? Fixing UI annoyances? Probably-physical-layer bugs
like https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=6612 ? Going through
and finding strange code that can be improved? Darknet invites?

UI things seem likely to be the most accessible thing for newcomers that
comes to mind.

> 2. A guide to getting up and running quickly (perhaps gradle is useful
>here?). https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Building_from_source
>definitely needs a bit of help either way though (I can at least
>update the command-line section).

https://github.com/freenet/fred/pull/412 exists and could be a good
starting point; I agree that gradle seems like a better near-term solution.

> 3. Support for green developers. There will be a lot of questions.
>(Although it may lead to a "blind-leading the blind" situation, I
>volunteer here.)

I plan to be around as well. Anyone else?

> Possible issues
> ===
> 
> I imagine one possible objection to this initiative is that code
> reviewer time is finite, perhaps the increased contribution volume would
> actually be counterproductive? If this is the case, then a hackathon is
> probably a non-starter, unless a large backlog of non-critical patches
> is acceptable.

I'd be surprised if people go from a new codebase to anything requiring
long review in the span of 48 hours. I'll be around, and hopefully other
people who can review things as well, so I'd expect us to be able to
deal with much if not all of it very quickly.

> The other issue is that few if any of us are in the same time zones. I
> believe this is pretty much a non-issue, it would be a 48-hour event,
> and if all existing developers commit to participating for some portion
> of the weekend, there will probably be significant overlap (which is
> good).
> 
> Even if there is zero new-developer turnout, it would be useful to the
> project to have a designated time when everyone is working together (and
> in fact perhaps be more productive in that sense).

Agreed.



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