Re: [digitalradio] Pactor 1 Frequencies

[John Becker, WØJAB]

Any luck finding a QSO yet Bob?

Take a look at   http://www.hamspots.net under the Pactor
tab for pactor operations. Many world wide are on there.

Just last evening (sunday) about 2240Z had a QSO with 
PY4OLB, Otavio on 14,111CF.

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor 1 Frequencies

[F.R. Ashley]

On 20 meters, 14.075 lsb was the "calling freq", years ago.
If you need a sked, email me.

73 Buddy WB4M
- Original Message - 
From: "ka2qit" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Pactor 1 Frequencies


> Does anyone know of Pactor 1 frequencies that are often used. I wish to 
> practice tuning using a PK 232.
>
> tnx and 73 Bob
>
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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor 1 Frequencies

[John Becker, WØJAB]

Yes
3590
7041
10136.4
18113

All center frequencies.

John, W0JAB


At 08:18 AM 4/19/2009, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of Pactor 1 frequencies that are often used. I wish to 
>practice tuning using a PK 232.
>
>tnx and 73 Bob
>
>
>
>
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>http://www.obriensweb.com/sked
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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor 1 Frequencies

[Andy obrien]

>From Hamspots..


Apr19   09:12   SV1UY   Demetre 14,111 CF   PACTOR-1 ARQ
Now QRV on 14,111 KHZ CF
Apr19   09:11   SV1UY   Demetre F1SMV   14,111 CF   PACTOR-2 ARQ
Please consider joining our packet_pactor group on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pactor_packet/join
Apr19   09:10   SV1UY   Demetre F1SMV   14,111 CF   PACTOR-2 ARQ
Thanks for 50 mins nice QSO Eric despite the strong QRN at my end.
Please call when you can.
Apr19   08:19   F1SMV   EricPACTOR-1 ARQto 
sv1uy the link is
brooken gd day may be more time today hi 73
Apr19   07:03   PY4OLB  Otavio  7041 CF PACTOR-2 ARQ
Calling
VK2PN: marginal cance. Just trying
Apr19   02:32   OZ1PMX  Peter   3591(MARK)  AMTOR FEC   
1600/1400   ask
for arq only - cq
Apr18   02:25   VK2PN   Patrick 7041 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
1600/1400
Listening on the 40 m maibox on... please try to connect 73 de P
Apr17   20:07   OZ1PMX  Peter   7051.5(MARK)PACTOR-1 ARQ
1600/1400
7050.90 dial - cq
Apr17   17:53   OZ1PMX  Peter   SO5AS   7042 (MARK) AMTOR ARQ   
1600/1400
calling CQ
Apr17   14:19   KU2ANick7041 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
calling W0JAB
Apr17   14:06   W0JAB   JohnPACTOR-1 ARQscaning 
3590 7041 14111
Apr17   06:41   OZ1PMX  Peter   10139MARK   AMTOR ARQ   
1600/1400
10137.40 dial - cq amtor qrg ozpm or pactor
Apr17   01:31   W6IDS   Howard  7041PACTOR-1 ARQThe 
Airmail
mail box is on 7041 CF now if any PACTOR I stations want to try
hitting it for prop checks
Apr16   17:31   W6IDS   Howard  14111   PACTOR-1 ARQI put 
the
mailbox up on 14111 for a while - VOA shows props a bit better on that
band
Apr16   16:10   PY4OLB  Otavio  9A6D14109.15 CF PACTOR-2 ARQ
1600/1400   Connect. No chatting.
Apr16   07:11   OZ1PMX  Peter   7057PACTOR-3 ARQcq
Apr15   14:56   W6IDS   Howard  7041CF  PACTOR-1 ARQHI Jack,
tried connecting but no luck either freq. VOA did not look promising
either for that matter
Apr15   07:59   VK4JRC  Jack7041CF  PACTOR-1 ARQ1600/1400   
Mbox
on 14,111 CF & 7041 CF 0800z till 1200z, I am at Radio Club meeting...
Apr14   23:23   W6IDS   Howard  7041 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
Mailbox on line
Apr14   23:23   W6IDS   Howard  3590 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
Kevin, I
have a simple mailbox up and running using Airmail 2000. It's parked
on 7041 CF, care to try it to check props?
Apr14   23:19   W6IDS   Howard  3590 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
I have my
station back on 7041 at 2318Z - just connected with W0JAB who's
looking at my Info file
Apr14   23:14   W6IDS   Howard  3590 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
Kevin,
VOAprop says it's good on 7 Mhz
Apr14   23:11   W6IDS   Howard  3590 CF AMTOR ARQ   
On AMTOR, I mean
Apr14   23:10   W6IDS   Howard  3590 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
Sending you
a CONNECT request, Kevin at 2310Z
Apr14   23:08   W6IDS   Howard  3590 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
Well, that
was for PACTOR - DUH! Let me try AMTOR just for the heck of it.
Apr14   23:08   W6IDS   Howard  3590 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
Kevin,
G7UXW tried a couple of CONNECT requests to you but no luck at
this time. - Calling you at 2307Z
Apr14   20:27   G7UXW   Kevin   359140 DIAL AMTOR FEC   
calling amtor
Apr14   08:00   VK4JRC  Jack7041 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
1600/1400   CQing
and calling until 1100z, also have Mbox running on 14,111 CF at the
same time.
Apr14   04:43   W6IDS   Howard  7041 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
Put the
Station back on 7041 CF and will leave it there for now.
Apr14   03:42   W6IDS   Howard  3590 CF PACTOR-1 ARQ
VOA says
this may be good all around per se. Try Mailbox for comms check, etc.
Apr13   18:58   G7UXW   Kevin   1410950 DIALPACTOR-1 ARQ
calling
p1 looking for p3 connect
Apr13   14:18   W0JAB   JohnPACTOR-1 ARQOops 
That should be
VK4JRC.
Apr13   13:54   W0JAB   JohnPACTOR-1 ARQcopied 
VK2JRC
sometime over night here in Missouri (EM49LJ) calling CQ a number of
times.
Apr13   05:54   VK4JRC  Jack7041CF  PACTOR-1 ARQ1600/1400   
CQing
from now til 0800z propagation prospects showing good from VK to U.S.
Apr12   22:16   PY4OLB  Otavio  W6IDS   14111   PACTOR-1 ARQ1600/1400
QS in progress.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM, ka2qit  wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know of Pactor 1 frequencies that are often used. I wish to
> practice tuning using a PK 232.
>
> tnx and 73 Bob
>
> 

[digitalradio] Pactor 1 Frequencies

[ka2qit]

Does anyone know of Pactor 1 frequencies that are often used. I wish to 
practice tuning using a PK 232.

tnx and 73 Bob

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor scanning ?

[John Becker, WØJAB]

Posted on the pactor_packet list as well as direct to you.

John

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor scanning ?

[W6IDS]

Hey, John...

I think it was you that sent me a list of frequencies.  I lost them.  I've 
been working to
make Windows Live Mail dedicated for Winlink/PacklinkW and had a little 
operator
error in keeping it off the internet.  So, it picked up your messages and 
when I removed
the account for incom...@verizon.net, I killed a string of messages in the 
IN BOX.

Yours was one of them I believe.

Howard W6IDS

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor scanning ?

[John Becker, WØJAB]

I should pop up on 7,103.7 (CF) from time to time.

At 12:27 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote:
>While awaiting the next stage of WINMOR beta testing, I thought I
>would listen a little to some Pactor mail stations.  I have a list of
>stations and their frequencies, but the software I have does not
>automatically scan known mailbox frequencies.  I could program the
>radio to do that , but wondered if anyone else has a pactor mailbox
>scanning software ?
>
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RE: [digitalradio] Pactor scanning ?

[John Bradley]

AIRMAIL in terminal mode has a scan function. haven't played with it so not
sure if it scans one station's frequencies or a bunch. 

 

John

VE5MU

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:28 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Pactor scanning ?

 

While awaiting the next stage of WINMOR beta testing, I thought I
would listen a little to some Pactor mail stations. I have a list of
stations and their frequencies, but the software I have does not
automatically scan known mailbox frequencies. I could program the
radio to do that , but wondered if anyone else has a pactor mailbox
scanning software ?

[digitalradio] Pactor scanning ?

[Andrew O'Brien]

While awaiting the next stage of WINMOR beta testing, I thought I
would listen a little to some Pactor mail stations.  I have a list of
stations and their frequencies, but the software I have does not
automatically scan known mailbox frequencies.  I could program the
radio to do that , but wondered if anyone else has a pactor mailbox
scanning software ?

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor III licensing...

[David Struebel]

Just be careful, the earliest SCS modems didn't have Pactor II or III either.

Dave WB2FTX
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pactor III licensing...


  David Struebel wrote:
  > Sorry,
  > Can't do anything with a KAM or PK-232 (any version). Pactor II and III 
  > are proprietary modes.
  > Pactor II and Pactor III are only available on the SCS line of 
  > modems Cheapest one is the PTC-IIex about $900... Check this web 
  > site for their
  > US distributor
  > 
  > http://www.farallon.us/webstore/
  > 
  > The PTC-IIex with only Pactor II is $859, with the Pactor III license 
  > it's $998.
  > 
  > Do you need need all that speed? All Pactor connects start out in 
  > Pactor I, and only shift if the higher configuration is available at 
  > both ends.
  > What are you going to use it for? Winlink 2000?
  > 
  > Dave WB2FTX

  negative, a friend of mine just bought one of the SCS modems for half 
  price and I was wondering whether it was possible to upgrade one of my 
  TNCs. but, as I understand it, they will do Pactor I and that is the 
  standard de rigeur today.

  thanks
  chas
  k5dam


   


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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor III licensing...

[chasm]

David Struebel wrote:
> Sorry,
> Can't do anything with a KAM or PK-232 (any version).  Pactor II and III 
> are proprietary modes.
> Pactor II and Pactor III are only available on the SCS line of  
> modems Cheapest one is the PTC-IIex about $900... Check this web 
> site for their
> US distributor
>  
> http://www.farallon.us/webstore/
>  
> The PTC-IIex with only Pactor II is $859, with the Pactor III license 
> it's $998.
>  
> Do you need need all that speed?  All Pactor connects start out in 
> Pactor I, and only shift if the higher configuration is available at 
> both ends.
> What are you going to use it for?   Winlink 2000?
>  
> Dave WB2FTX

negative, a friend of mine just bought one of the SCS modems for half 
price and I was wondering whether it was possible to upgrade one of my 
TNCs.  but, as I understand it, they will do Pactor I and that is the 
standard de rigeur today.

thanks
chas
k5dam

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor III licensing...

[Jose A. Amador]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a KAM XL  and a fully tricked out PK232.
> 
> can either of them be licensed for Pactor III?
> 
> what is the cost of upgrading to II and to III?
> 
> thanks
> chas  k5dam

No, it is only for the SCS made boxes. For license details, check 
http://www.scs-ptc.com

73,

Jose, CO2JA

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor III licensing...

[David Struebel]

Sorry,
Can't do anything with a KAM or PK-232 (any version).  Pactor II and III are 
proprietary modes.
Pactor II and Pactor III are only available on the SCS line of  modems 
Cheapest one is the PTC-IIex about $900... Check this web site for their
US distributor

http://www.farallon.us/webstore/

The PTC-IIex with only Pactor II is $859, with the Pactor III license it's 
$998.

Do you need need all that speed?  All Pactor connects start out in Pactor I, 
and only shift if the higher configuration is available at both ends.
What are you going to use it for?   Winlink 2000?

Dave WB2FTX
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:54 PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Pactor III licensing...



  I have a KAM XL and a fully tricked out PK232.

  can either of them be licensed for Pactor III?

  what is the cost of upgrading to II and to III?

  thanks
  chas k5dam


   


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[digitalradio] Pactor III licensing...

[chasm]

I have a KAM XL  and a fully tricked out PK232.

can either of them be licensed for Pactor III?

what is the cost of upgrading to II and to III?

thanks
chas  k5dam

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor-1 sked

[Sholto Fisher]

Hi Andy,

MultiPSK does the broadcast or FEC mode of Pactor-1 only. Just like 
Amtor, Pactor had a broadcast mode too - quite good incidentally.

What I am wanting to test is Pactor-1 ARQ (or Amtor ARQ "Mode A")

73 Sholto.



Andrew O'Brien wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Sholto Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Has anyone got Pactor-1 or Amtor capability handy? I dusted off the old
>> PK-232MBX and got it hooked up but can't find anyone to test it out
>> with! if you can help email me off the list and we can try it out (can
>> only do 30m/20m & 6m right now)
>>
>> By the way I have a page for connected qsos at
>> http://www.projectsandparts.com/pactor but it is for all connected modes
>> like Pactor, Packet, ARQ FAE, PAX etc.
>>
>> 73 Sholto
>> KE7HPV
>>
>>
> 
> 
> I have P1 via Multipsk.
> 

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor-1 sked

[Andrew O'Brien]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Sholto Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone got Pactor-1 or Amtor capability handy? I dusted off the old
> PK-232MBX and got it hooked up but can't find anyone to test it out
> with! if you can help email me off the list and we can try it out (can
> only do 30m/20m & 6m right now)
>
> By the way I have a page for connected qsos at
> http://www.projectsandparts.com/pactor but it is for all connected modes
> like Pactor, Packet, ARQ FAE, PAX etc.
>
> 73 Sholto
> KE7HPV
>
> 


I have P1 via Multipsk.

-- 
Andy K3UK
www.obriensweb.com
(QSL via N2RJ)

[digitalradio] Pactor-1 sked

[Sholto Fisher]

Has anyone got Pactor-1 or Amtor capability handy? I dusted off the old 
PK-232MBX and got it hooked up but can't find anyone to test it out 
with! if you can help email me off the list and we can try it out (can 
only do 30m/20m & 6m right now)

By the way I have a page for connected qsos at 
http://www.projectsandparts.com/pactor but it is for all connected modes 
like Pactor, Packet, ARQ FAE, PAX etc.

73 Sholto
KE7HPV

[digitalradio] pactor I/II qso anyone?

[Steinar Aanesland]

Hi all,

I have just bought me a PTC-IIusb modem . Is there anyone out there
who wants to do a pactor test with me ?

I am qrv on 10 , 20, 30 , 40 and 80m

73 de LA5VNA Steinar

[digitalradio] Pactor-1 ARQ / RTOS / Windows Mobile

[Sholto Fisher]

I was just thinking about the problems with Windows being a non realtime 
OS and the difficulty of precise timing for Pactor or AMTOR frames and 
it occurred to me that Windows Mobile (Pocket PC) is an RTOS isn't it? 
This question is probably for Vojtech but wouldn't it be possible to do 
Pactor-1 successfully on a PDA/Smartphone?

Then just add a bluetooth folding keyboard, an FT-817 and you have a 
very portable low power WinLink station.

73 Sholto
KE7HPV

[digitalradio] Pactor on 14109.5

[Kevin O'Rorke]

Of late I have been having my ALE contacts with ZL1BAD destroyed by 
VK2JN evidently running pactor II/III on 14109.5
He comes on, obviously without listening to see if the channel is clear.
Is 14109.5 a recognized frequency for BBS pactor operation? If so then 
that frequency should be removed from the ALE sounding frequency list.
At least 2JN does ID in CW at about 30WPM.

Kevin VK5OA

[digitalradio] Pactor-Winlink-ALE debate now close

[Andrew O'Brien]

The recent comments about Pactor-Winklink , ALE, and automated 
operations is now closed. Please do not raise the debate unless new 
factors are involved.

Andy K3UK
Owner.

Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR I Activity

[John Becker, WØJAB]

Good deal Howard.
Really did enjoy the QSO this afternoon.

But I keep hearing from this guy out on the left cost that 
KB2KB P1 is dead.

John, W0JAB

[digitalradio] PACTOR I Activity

[w6ids]

Hello Again,

Had a great chat with VE1XL (Dick) in Hillsborough, New Brunswick,
that lasted the better part of an hour.  I copied him on this message
so that I could pass along the two links below for him to use:

We're posting activity on the following sites:

http://www.obriensweb.com/sked


http://www.projectsandparts.com/pactor/

Dick was saying that his operation is a bit "hit 'n miss" so the links
may help him.  KU2A (Nick) picked  him up after we dropped the link.
He then got picked up by K3CXB (Walt) who was having his first PACTOR
contact ever.  He was learning with software based PACTOR I so stayed
FEC I believe.  I'm wondering if he was using MultiPSK since he said he
did have AMTOR ARQ in the package and wanted to try the ARQ.

Anyway, thought I'd pass along the moment to you.  Here's a little
cut 'n paste just to show 'n tell:

CQ CQ CQ de W6IDS W6IDS RICHMOND, IN  EM79NV
CQ CQ CQ de W6IDS W6IDS RICHMOND, IN  EM79NV
CQ CQ CQ de W6IDS W6IDS RICHMOND, IN  EM79NV
CQ CQ CQ de W6IDS W6IDS RICHMOND, IN  EM79NV
HOWARD in RICHMOND, IN  EM79NV at 01:26 UTC K

W6IDS de VE1XL =>
hello. Not too many of us around. Name here is Dick and my QTH is 
Hillsborough,
New Brunswick.  BTU OM.

W6IDS de VE1XL =>

VE1XL VE1XL (Dick) DE W6IDS W6IDS


 Dick and nice to see you on the mode.  Yes, you're right.
 There's not a lot of PACTOR I on the air but interest is gaining
more momentum lately.  I think it stems from the DIGITALRADIO
message forum discussions involving andi-Winlink operations,
PMBO stuff, etc.  Your call is anice surprise for sure.

Name is Howard as youmay have noticed.  Location is about
37 miles West of Dayton, OH right on the OH/IN border.

I'm using a PK-232MBX that I've had since 1989 and am giving it
a workout.  Surprised at how much I've had to relearn for not
using it much.

Your rst is S8 S8 with just a little QSB but not bad.  You took
a little dive at 0132Z but hung in there.  Software in use is
the WinXP package and it has seemed to work well.

BTU, let's see how you are doing...

VE1XL VE1XL DE W6IDS W6IDS K K


W6IDS de VE1XL =>
RR FB Howard and it sure is nnice nice to hear your signal and to meet you. 
I
am a long-time Pactor operator and I manage to snag a few QSO if I listen 
long enough.
 I hope you are correct in that maybe all the comotion will stur up more 
interest.
 I do find that most of the ot digital sound card modes are very much 
inferour..
Spelling.. I have been doing this in Amtor since 1987 and then came Pactor 
in the
early 1990s or so and I have been here all along. hi.
I am using an SCS PTC-2e. The radio is a Ten-Tec argonaut V QRP radio to a 
small
linear amplifier to only about 50 Watts out to a dipole.  My software is 
called
NcWinPTC by PA0NC.  I am familiar with the XP Ware you are using.  A good 
program.
FB your QTH and signal port.  You are S-5 to S-6 with noise on the band. 
but
this gets through very fine.  I do have Pactor 2 and 3 here also. Nost of 
the WinLink
2K stations use the Pactor 2.  BTU before I hog it all on you, Howard.

W6IDS de VE1XL =>

VE1XL VE1XL (Dick) DE W6IDS W6IDS

Tell you what, give me your email address and I'll send you two
links that PACTOR operators are posting their activity.  I'm posted
there now, and just noted that we're connected.

 

[digitalradio] Pactor Callsign???

[Jack Chomley]

Hi All,

Someone has tried to call my system today, twice. Using MY callsign
The connect crashed both times with errors and timeout..

Dial Frequencies USB:

14.078, 14.079.5, 18.100, 18.105, 21.078, 21.093, 24.920, 24.925, 
28.105, 28.110


The scan rate is 3 seconds per frequency, and the tones are Mark 1600 
Space 1400


73s

Jack VK4JRC

[digitalradio] Pactor Operations.....

[Jack Chomley]

Hi All,

Sorry, made a mess of the time in the last post. The system is on, 
from 1300z to 1200z.

73s

Jack VK4JRC

[digitalradio] Pactor Operations.....

[Jack Chomley]

Hi All,

Pactor running from  2000z to 1900z on following freqs being scanned, 
Pactor I & II connects accepted.

Call is VK4JRC and mailbox is "on" while I am busy here at home.

Dial Frequencies USB:

14.078, 14.079.5, 18.100, 18.105, 21.078, 21.093, 24.920, 24.925, 
28.105, 28.110


The scan rate is 3 seconds per frequency, and the tones are Mark 1600 
Space 1400


73s

Jack VK4JRC

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[w6ids]

- Original Message - 
From: "vk4jrc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.


> Hi all Pactor & Packet people,
>
> Sholto, KE7HPV has been kind enough to put up a spot page for Pactor &
> Packet operators.
> See  http://www.projectsandparts.com/pactor/
> Hope this will stir up some interest
> Thanks Sholto :-)
>
>
> 73s
>
> Jack VK4JRC
>
>
>
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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[w6ids]

On the Spot Page and monitoring 14.078 as of 1615Z 

Howard W6IDS
Richmond, IN

- Original Message - 
From: "vk4jrc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.


> Hi all Pactor & Packet people,
> 
> Sholto, KE7HPV has been kind enough to put up a spot page for Pactor &
> Packet operators.
> See  http://www.projectsandparts.com/pactor/
> Hope this will stir up some interest
> Thanks Sholto :-)
> 
> 

[digitalradio] PACTOR I ARQ QSO

[w6ids]

Hello to all,

I had a surprise chat with NO4Y, Herman, Elizabeth City, NC
at 1746Z on14.080 dial today.  Nice signal into Richmond, IN
and I have to say it was GREAT fun using my archaic, out-of-
date, PK-232MBX and XPware software.

Of course, my activity was not without blemish.  While calling
CQ, again on 14.080 dial, another strong PACTOR station 
started sending on 14.0811 dial.  I was unable to copy it at all 
but it sounded "different".  In trying to tune it in, I did notice that
I picked up a fragment of a CQ string from W6FSY; I don't think
that strong PACTOR signal was him however.

Started calling CQ again when it was quiet and found myself in the
company of one of the "musical" multi-tone modes just above me.
Fairly strong signal; never have really learned how to tell one 
multi-tone signal from another by ear and on the fly, sadly.

I did post a PACTOR I spot on:
 http://www.projectsandparts.com/pactor/ and found quite a few
stations posting there, though not much from the U.S.  I did see
one MULTIPSK entry amongst all the SCS units and one other
PK-232 listing.

Howard W6IDS
Richmond, IN

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[Jack Chomley]

At 11:45 AM 1/5/2008, Howard  wrote:


>Hey Charles!
>
>Me thinks you've got a rather broad brush being used here.
>
>Someone says that PACTOR is dead..period. Another has said
>that PACTOR is deadand if I was smart, I'd pitch my AEA unit
>like everyone else.
>
>You, speaking for Packet enthusiasts, say Packet operators won't
>climb on board this innocent proposal because they're constantly
>being QRMed by PACTOR lids and for that reason, the Packet
>operators want nothing to do with anything that remotely touches
>PACTOR.
>
>That isn't fair to me, and any number of other folks who like the
>PACTOR I mode and are kindling a small surge of rebirth in the
>mode's interest. I've always followed the rules as they have, I'm
>sure. Individual PACTOR I operations cannot possibly be linked
>to BOTS, Winlink or whatever. I'm sure that Jack has been a
>considerate and law-abiding Ham for all his licensed life and
>means no ill-will towards anyone, least of all disrespect.
>
>I bet you and the others don't even know Jack and doubt you
>have ever been deliberately interferred with by him. I doubt
>he'd like to be included in any association with Winlink and
>the BOTS any more than I would.
>
>That message you quoted was a friendly, enthusiastic idea that
>came about from some ideas that have been bantered about
>offline amongst myself and some others who want to use our
>TNCs and PACTOR I again, just because.
>
>Seriously, this business about Winlink and BOTS is getting
>just a bit hysterical I think, to the point of irrationality. I say
>that simply because of your reaction and you're not alone at
>all. AND...it's understandable for sure.
>
>But, jeez, Charles. Aren't you being a bit harsh to the point
>that you're taking a swipe at everyone? That's exactly what
>the Packet operators don't want for themselves.
>
>I was on last night running my PK232 through its paces and
>getting reacquainted with it. I even made a couple of contacts
>with it using PACTOR I during Sunday and it was fun! Surely,
>you're not going to call me a lid simply because of using the
>PACTOR mode, alledged to being mis-used by others
>alledged to have a totally selfish agenda are you?
>
>Just my polite $ .02 worth.
>
>Howard W6IDS
>Richmond, IN

All modes have their good and bad features, AND operators!  I am sure 
most Hams respect their resource and its use, needing to share with 
others. There will always be some who through ignorance or having a 
bad hair day, will crash someone's QSO. Just like someone driving the 
highway crashes your lane, wile jibbering on a cell phone, reading 
the paper, doing their hair, emailing on their Blackberry etc.
The responsibility for decent operating rests with the operator, themselves.
Relying on the FCC, TUV,ACMA and other regulatory organisations to 
solve problems in our hobby, does not often provide the results we 
would like. These regulators are sick of us.believe me. The money 
they get from Ham licencing? We are a liability to them.
Having said that, its really up to the like of the ARRL, RSGB, WIA 
and other organisations in the World to play more of a part in the 
hobby regulating itself and promoting good band plans that reflect 
harmonious operating in the hobby.
The Pactor 3 problem?  There are many other considerations too, ALE, 
Propnet, APRS and the list goes on growing..
Many of the these modes use a form of beacons for their 
operations.  They are all entitled to some consideration in trying to 
work within band plans, some of which maybe need changing?
The major part of these problems is the political agendas that seem 
to always screwup the potential of anything good, that can benefit 
the majority of people, when there is a decision making process going on.
Yep, thats life as a Human Being on this Earth :-)
You all may think, OK what goes here? I have been on this board all 
of 5 minutes, so people are thinking.what's my agenda?
You're right, I DO have an agenda, its carrying out 
experiments/operation on HF 300 baud Packet, HF Robust 200/600 baud 
Packet, compared to Amtor, Pactor 1 & II along with some PSK31 etc.
Now you want to know WHY?
OK, MY "other" hobby is motorcycles, specifically "off road" ones and 
the remote places I ride them. I am trying to integrate my Ham hobby, 
with riding in remote places. My best option for digital modes is a 
TNC based system. An SCS PTC-IIex, with Icom 703, Buddipole antenna, 
RS232 AA battery powered dumb terminal OR Psion 3mx palmtop allows me 
to operate motorcycle portable on Amtor, Pactor, Packet, PSK31, CW. 
Its a compact, portable station which allows me to also run a 
"mailbox" on the motorcycle, while mobile or portable. Carrying a 
laptop is not something I want to do...that leaves all the sound 
card modes out.
Having just bought a bike for my expeditions in South Africa, for 
riding there and to surrounding countries, and playing Ham Radio, its 
gonna be a whole lot of fun!

73s

Jack VK4JRC

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[w6ids]

Hey Charles!

Me thinks you've got a rather broad brush being used here.

Someone says that PACTOR is dead..period.  Another has said
that PACTOR is deadand if I was smart, I'd pitch my AEA unit
like everyone else.

You, speaking for Packet enthusiasts, say Packet operators won't
climb on board this innocent proposal because they're constantly
being QRMed by PACTOR lids and for that reason, the Packet
operators want nothing to do with anything that remotely touches
PACTOR.

That isn't fair to me, and any number of other folks who like the
PACTOR I mode and are kindling a small surge of rebirth in the
mode's interest.  I've always followed the rules as they have, I'm
sure.  Individual PACTOR I operations cannot possibly be linked
to BOTS, Winlink or whatever.  I'm sure that Jack has been a
considerate and law-abiding Ham for all his licensed life and
means no ill-will towards anyone, least of all disrespect.

I bet you and the others don't even know Jack and doubt you
have ever been deliberately interferred with by him.  I doubt
he'd like to be included in any association with Winlink and
the BOTS any more than I would.

That message you quoted was a friendly, enthusiastic idea that
came about from some ideas that have been bantered about
offline amongst myself and some others who want to use  our
TNCs and PACTOR I again, just because.

Seriously, this business about Winlink and BOTS is getting
just a bit hysterical I think, to the point of irrationality.  I say
that simply because of your reaction and you're not alone at
all.  AND...it's understandable for sure.

But, jeez, Charles.  Aren't you being a bit harsh to the point
that you're taking a swipe at everyone?  That's exactly what
the Packet operators don't want for themselves.

I was on last night running my PK232 through its paces and
getting reacquainted with it.  I even made a couple of contacts
with it using PACTOR I during Sunday and it was fun!  Surely,
you're not going to call me a lid simply because of using the
PACTOR mode, alledged to being mis-used by others
alledged to have a totally selfish agenda are you?

Just my polite $ .02 worth.

Howard W6IDS
Richmond, IN

- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Brabham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.


> Don't hold your breath while you wait for an enthusiastic response from
> Packet operators, who are constantly QRM'ed by PACTOR Lids and generally
> will not tolerate being associated with them, in any way.
>
> The difference is that the Packet folks do not feel that they have a
> god-given right to crash other hams' QSO's. We operate according to PART97
> and The Amateur's Code.
>
> - When we are not having our QSO crashed by a mindless PACTOR Lid, that
> is...

RE: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[John Becker, WØJAB]

At 10:48 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote:

>Nice analogy, John.

Sorry Dave, I just call em as I see em

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[Jack Chomley]

At 12:44 AM 1/5/2008, you wrote:


Don't hold your breath while you wait for an enthusiastic response from
Packet operators, who are constantly QRM'ed by PACTOR Lids and generally
will not tolerate being associated with them, in any way.

The difference is that the Packet folks do not feel that they have a
god-given right to crash other hams' QSO's. We operate according to PART97
and The Amateur's Code.

- When we are not having our QSO crashed by a mindless PACTOR Lid, that
is...

Stop by at WinLink-Watch to see the pics. -
http://www.arwatch.com/watch/w_winlink.htm

73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-


So, you are saying ALL Pactor operators crash the Packet guys?  I 
thought the problem was with WinLink PMBO's on Pactor 3?
I don't think too many individual people would have licenced Pactor 
3, I certainly have not, and don't need to.
Since part of this idea is to announce our Pactor/Packet skeds via 
Sholto's & Andy's spot pages, it may revive things a little, is there 
anything wrong with that? Those looking for contacts, have places to 
help them coordinate skeds. Oh yes, how about trying 600 baud Robust 
Packet ;-)
Pactor may be deadbut whats wrong with trying to get it 
going? Like, Ham Radio IS a hobby? Why not all enjoy it for what it 
is, with what ever mode we want to use. :-)


73s

Jack VK4JRC

RE: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[Dave AA6YQ]

Nice analogy, John.

 

Dave

 

 

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of "John Becker, WØJAB"
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:34 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

 

Charles
please don't lump us good pactor operators in with
the PMBO operators. There is as much difference
as there is a house guest to a burglar.

At 08:44 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote:
>Don't hold your breath while you wait for an enthusiastic response from 
>Packet operators, who are constantly QRM'ed by PACTOR Lids and generally 
>will not tolerate being associated with them, in any way.

 

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[John Becker, WØJAB]

Charles
please don't lump us good pactor operators in with
the PMBO operators. There is as much difference
as there is a house guest to a burglar.

At 08:44 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote:
>Don't hold your breath while you wait for an enthusiastic response from 
>Packet operators, who are constantly QRM'ed by PACTOR Lids and generally 
>will not tolerate being associated with them, in any way.

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[Roger J. Buffington]

Charles Brabham wrote:
>
>  Don't hold your breath while you wait for an enthusiastic response
>  from Packet operators, who are constantly QRM'ed by PACTOR Lids and
>  generally will not tolerate being associated with them, in any way.
>
>  The difference is that the Packet folks do not feel that they have a
>  god-given right to crash other hams' QSO's. We operate according to
>  PART97 and The Amateur's Code.
>
>  - When we are not having our QSO crashed by a mindless PACTOR Lid,
>  that is...
>
>  Stop by at WinLink-Watch to see the pics. -
>  http://www.arwatch.com/watch/w_winlink.htm
>  
>
>  73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL

I doubt you'll see many Pactor QSOs.  Pactor is dead and will stay dead.

de Roger W6VZV

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[Charles Brabham]

Don't hold your breath while you wait for an enthusiastic response from 
Packet operators, who are constantly QRM'ed by PACTOR Lids and generally 
will not tolerate being associated with them, in any way.

The difference is that the Packet folks do not feel that they have a 
god-given right to crash other hams' QSO's. We operate according to PART97 
and The Amateur's Code.

- When we are not having our QSO crashed by a mindless PACTOR Lid, that 
is...

Stop by at WinLink-Watch to see the pics.  - 
http://www.arwatch.com/watch/w_winlink.htm

73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: "vk4jrc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:19 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.


Hi all Pactor & Packet people,

Sholto, KE7HPV has been kind enough to put up a spot page for Pactor &
Packet operators.
See  http://www.projectsandparts.com/pactor/
Hope this will stir up some interest
Thanks Sholto :-)


73s

Jack VK4JRC







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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[Andrew O'Brien]

Pactor and Packet spots and sked arranging are also welcome at
http://www.obriensweb.com.sked

Andy

On Jan 3, 2008 9:19 PM, vk4jrc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi all Pactor & Packet people,
>
>  Sholto, KE7HPV has been kind enough to put up a spot page for Pactor &
>  Packet operators.
>  See http://www.projectsandparts.com/pactor/
>  Hope this will stir up some interest
>  Thanks Sholto :-)
>
>  73s
>
>  Jack VK4JRC
>
>  



-- 
Andy K3UK
www.obriensweb.com
(QSL via N2RJ)

[digitalradio] Pactor & Packet Spot Page now up.

[vk4jrc]

Hi all Pactor & Packet people,

Sholto, KE7HPV has been kind enough to put up a spot page for Pactor &
Packet operators.
See  http://www.projectsandparts.com/pactor/
Hope this will stir up some interest
Thanks Sholto :-)


73s

Jack VK4JRC

[digitalradio] PACTOR QSO

[Demetre SV1UY]

Hi Ned/EI5DS,

Thanks for the PACTOR QSOs today. Even with S0 signals we managed the
QSO thanks to PACTOR! Hope to see you tomorrow sometime. I will post
to Andy's SKED PAGE and here first and hopefully we can have some more
QSOs on 20m.

HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and all.

73 de Demetre SV1UY

[digitalradio] Pactor OFDM??

[Rud Merriam]

I just read the Pactor 3 specification. I am not sure that it is OFDM. It is
multi-tone but the spacing of the tones seems wider than OFDM requires. 

But I may be missing something in the technical definition OFDM of that
differentiates it from MT.

 
Rud Merriam K5RUD 
ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX
http://TheHamNetwork.net


Pactor has proven the worth (necessity?) of using full time FEC and a 
moderate baud rate OFDM signal using PSK. Otherwise, you wouldn't you 
need some kind of training pulse sequence as used on the 8PSK 
MIL-STD/FED-STD/STANAG modems?

73,

Rick, KV9U

Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR-WIDE MODES-EMERGENCY COMMS: Cooling off period

[Steinar Aanesland]

Thanks Andy.

73 de LA5VNA Steinar


Andrew O'Brien skrev:
>
> The topic relating to automatic operations, PACTOR QRM, wide band, and
> the value of emergency services, requires a cooling off period. Have
> your say until 2359 UTC 19/10/07 , then I will halt all comments on
> this topic until something "new" emerges to the debate.
>
> Andy K3UK
> Owner.
>
>  

RE: [digitalradio] PACTOR-WIDE MODES-EMERGENCY COMMS: Cooling off period

[John Bradley]

HURRAY!!!

 

Ve5mu

Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR-WIDE MODES-EMERGENCY COMMS: Cooling off period

[John Becker, WØJAB]

Let's look at it from the other side of the fence.
Not just at Pactor but look at the other wide modes also.

It seems to me that Pactor as a mode of operation is getting
a bad rap.

I know many bad talking it are doing so just from what they 
read or hear NEVER EVER having copied and of it.



At 08:05 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
>The topic relating to automatic operations, PACTOR QRM, wide band, and
>the value of emergency services, requires a cooling off period.  Have
>your say until 2359 UTC  19/10/07 , then I will halt all comments on
>this topic until something "new" emerges to the debate.
>
>Andy K3UK
>Owner.

[digitalradio] PACTOR-WIDE MODES-EMERGENCY COMMS: Cooling off period

[Andrew O'Brien]

The topic relating to automatic operations, PACTOR QRM, wide band, and
the value of emergency services, requires a cooling off period.  Have
your say until 2359 UTC  19/10/07 , then I will halt all comments on
this topic until something "new" emerges to the debate.

Andy K3UK
Owner.

RE: [digitalradio] Pactor and Seasonally Affected Disorder (SAD)

[bruce mallon]

THAT WAS GOOD ! LOL


--- r_lwesterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> This is excellent . . . just what this group needs .
> . . and I deeply and
> truly mean that . . .sheesh . . . 
> 
>  
> 
> Rick - KH2DF
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of John Bradley
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:41 PM
> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [digitalradio] Pactor and Seasonally
> Affected Disorder (SAD)
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> New Discovery from the Bolivian Journal of Medicine
> 
>  
> 
> Physcians in Bolivia have recently released a paper
> on the destructive
> effects of pactor tones 
> 
> On the middle-aged radio amateur population.
> 
>  
> 
> The pulse frequency of pactor 3 appears to cause
> anxiety and obsessive
> behavior among middle aged males exposed to these
> frequencies while engaged
> in their hobbies. The pulse noise appears to have a
> cumulative effect on the
> observed subjects, increasing anxiety and fear
> through each exposure. In
> extreme cases the obsession is all consuming, and
> the fear of robotic pactor
> operations has become the focus of these individuals
> to the exclusion of all
> other aspects of a broad based hobby.
> 
>  
> 
> Scientists have observed that these obsessions
> appear to peak at the spring
> and fall equinox. There is also some speculation
> that the lower the
> latitude, the more obsessive the individuals become.
> As the syndrome
> progresses,
> 
> The affected individuals increasingly become less
> able to form rational
> thoughts . As the anxiety deepens ,the individuals
> affected look for
> software cures which would curtail or eliminate
> pactor pulse when a
> frequency is used for other purposes.
> 
>  
> 
> As the anxiety increases many individuals become
> focused on WINLINK, an
> organization which uses pactor tones to move data
> from radio amateurs around
> the world. While the use of WINLINK is considerably
> down from 20 years ago,
> it is still responsible for the majority of pactor
> pulse cases the
> scientists have observed.
> 
>  
> 
> Scientist have also found that there is a readily
> available cure. They
> recommend turning off any email service for a week,
> and , at the same time
> using OLIVIA to communicate on the radio amateur
> bands. The soothing tones
> of Olivia, especially 1000/32 tones has been know to
> cure the most anxious
> of operators, especially when scotch or rum is
> consumed at the same time.
> 
>  
> 
> While this is not a cure, the obsessive behavior
> should be in remission for
> several months after the one week cure.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> John
> 
> VE5MU
> 
>  
> 
> 


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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor and Seasonally Affected Disorder (SAD)

[Jose A. Amador]

I see no timestamp in the article. When did this show up? I guess it 
must have been on October 1st, since seasons are 6 months out of phase
between the north and south hemispheres.

73,

Jose, CO2JA

---

r_lwesterfield wrote:

> This is excellent . . . just what this group needs . . . and I deeply 
> and truly mean that . . .sheesh . . .
> 
> Rick – KH2DF
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *John Bradley
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:41 PM
> *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [digitalradio] Pactor and Seasonally Affected Disorder (SAD)
> 
> 
> 
> New Discovery from the Bolivian Journal of Medicine
> 
> Physicians in Bolivia have recently released a paper on the destructive 
> effects of pactor tones on the middle-aged radio amateur population.
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 
> VE5MU
> 



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RE: [digitalradio] Pactor and Seasonally Affected Disorder (SAD)

[Rud Merriam]

 


Rud Merriam K5RUD
ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX 
http://TheHamNetwork.net <http://thehamnetwork.net/>  

-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Bradley
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:41 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Pactor and Seasonally Affected Disorder (SAD)





 

New Discovery from the Bolivian Journal of Medicine

 

RE: [digitalradio] Pactor and Seasonally Affected Disorder (SAD)

[r_lwesterfield]

This is excellent . . . just what this group needs . . . and I deeply and
truly mean that . . .sheesh . . . 

 

Rick - KH2DF

 

  _  

From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Bradley
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:41 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Pactor and Seasonally Affected Disorder (SAD)

 



 

New Discovery from the Bolivian Journal of Medicine

 

Physcians in Bolivia have recently released a paper on the destructive
effects of pactor tones 

On the middle-aged radio amateur population.

 

The pulse frequency of pactor 3 appears to cause anxiety and obsessive
behavior among middle aged males exposed to these frequencies while engaged
in their hobbies. The pulse noise appears to have a cumulative effect on the
observed subjects, increasing anxiety and fear through each exposure. In
extreme cases the obsession is all consuming, and the fear of robotic pactor
operations has become the focus of these individuals to the exclusion of all
other aspects of a broad based hobby.

 

Scientists have observed that these obsessions appear to peak at the spring
and fall equinox. There is also some speculation that the lower the
latitude, the more obsessive the individuals become. As the syndrome
progresses,

The affected individuals increasingly become less able to form rational
thoughts . As the anxiety deepens ,the individuals affected look for
software cures which would curtail or eliminate pactor pulse when a
frequency is used for other purposes.

 

As the anxiety increases many individuals become focused on WINLINK, an
organization which uses pactor tones to move data from radio amateurs around
the world. While the use of WINLINK is considerably down from 20 years ago,
it is still responsible for the majority of pactor pulse cases the
scientists have observed.

 

Scientist have also found that there is a readily available cure. They
recommend turning off any email service for a week, and , at the same time
using OLIVIA to communicate on the radio amateur bands. The soothing tones
of Olivia, especially 1000/32 tones has been know to cure the most anxious
of operators, especially when scotch or rum is consumed at the same time.

 

While this is not a cure, the obsessive behavior should be in remission for
several months after the one week cure.

 



 

 

 

 

 

John

VE5MU

 

[digitalradio] Pactor and Seasonally Affected Disorder (SAD)

[John Bradley]

 

New Discovery from the Bolivian Journal of Medicine

 

Physcians in Bolivia have recently released a paper on the destructive
effects of pactor tones 

On the middle-aged radio amateur population.

 

The pulse frequency of pactor 3 appears to cause anxiety and obsessive
behavior among middle aged males exposed to these frequencies while engaged
in their hobbies. The pulse noise appears to have a cumulative effect on the
observed subjects, increasing anxiety and fear through each exposure. In
extreme cases the obsession is all consuming, and the fear of robotic pactor
operations has become the focus of these individuals to the exclusion of all
other aspects of a broad based hobby.

 

Scientists have observed that these obsessions appear to peak at the spring
and fall equinox. There is also some speculation that the lower the
latitude, the more obsessive the individuals become. As the syndrome
progresses,

The affected individuals increasingly become less able to form rational
thoughts . As the anxiety deepens ,the individuals affected look for
software cures which would curtail or eliminate pactor pulse when a
frequency is used for other purposes.

 

As the anxiety increases many individuals become focused on WINLINK, an
organization which uses pactor tones to move data from radio amateurs around
the world. While the use of WINLINK is considerably down from 20 years ago,
it is still responsible for the majority of pactor pulse cases the
scientists have observed.

 

Scientist have also found that there is a readily available cure. They
recommend turning off any email service for a week, and , at the same time
using OLIVIA to communicate on the radio amateur bands. The soothing tones
of Olivia, especially 1000/32 tones has been know to cure the most anxious
of operators, especially when scotch or rum is consumed at the same time.

 

While this is not a cure, the obsessive behavior should be in remission for
several months after the one week cure.

 



 

 

 

 

 

John

VE5MU

[digitalradio] Pactor modes vs. sound card modes

[Rick]

The reason that the Winlink2000 owners do not want busy frequency detect 
is that they invented a particularly effective version of such a mode 
and found that they would have extreme difficulty finding a wide enough 
bandwidth to operate. The signal detection circuit would be reset to 
standby until a clear frequency was available.

A human operator is always going to be on one side of the circuit for 
"semi-automatic operation," but it does not insure that the hidden 
transmitter effect would not occur since the human operator would not be 
able to hear what the robot station can hear.

In the past, there were complaints about the packet forwarding stations. 
These stations were mostly "fully automatic," by which we mean they had 
robots at both ends with no human intervention. I believe that this is 
also true of other automatic forwarding systems, such as Aplink and 
Winlink, both of which have been discontinued for many years. Most HF 
packet BBS auto store and forward systems have also been discontinued as 
well. The Winlink 2000 system went primarily to using the internet and 
does not currently have the capability to operate without internet, 
except in a special case where a local group gets permission to set up a 
local hubbing PMBO server. Then you can at least communicate between 
stations that can reach the PMBO, but you can not forward to other 
servers. My understanding is that they are working on changes to their 
system to eventually allow forwarding to other servers via RF, instead 
of the current internet only system.

While there is currently no sound card mode that can do exactly what P2 
and P3 can do, the SCAMP mode proved that you could use a very basic 
waveform, e.g, RDFT, not necessarily optimized for HF use, and get it to 
send messages amazingly fast. It really was an enormous breakthrough 
because it proved it could be done. But unlike P2 and P3, it had no 
mechanism for weaker signals and the programmer simply gave up on 
further development and then did not publish the sourcecode either. I am 
probably in the minority who believe that this has been a major loss to 
the amateur community, but imagine if this was a programmer who was not 
working with the Winlink2000 owners and was interested in furthering 
messaging and willing to work with others to develop a serious ham to 
ham communications mode as well as provide internet e-mail capability as 
needed by setting up an ad hoc server anyplace that internet service 
could be obtained. At this time the only system that can do this is 
PSKmail, although at a very slow speed and may or may not be practical, 
particularly due to running under Linux at this time.

When I look at the computer simulations done by Rick, KN6KB, the SCAMP 
inventor (using an average of ionospheric conditions) he shows:

At the best conditions of +10 dB, P3 at 225 cps, SCAMP 97 cps, P2 50 
cps, P1 20 cps, MT-63 20 cps
At +5 dB -- P3 ~ 150 cps, P2 ~ 40 cps, P1 20 cps, MT-63 20 cps
At zero dB -- P3 ~ 66 cps, P2 ~ 25 cps, P1 20 cps, MT-63 20 cps
At -5 dB -- P3, P2, at or below 20 cps

cps = characters per second

As you can see, P1 is about the same as MT-63 (20cps at the wider 2000 
Hz mode). He claims that his simulation showed that MT-63 and PSK31 
failed at just below zero dB, but I don't know how he could possibly 
come to such a conclusion.

The point of all this is that a sound card mode can definitely be 
competitive in speed with P2, although much wider, and still be 
reasonably competitive with P3. And it is not difficult to imagine that 
a new mode, that is similar to P3 would be very practical to do as a 
sound card mode. The basic building block is a multi tone PSK OFDM kind 
of mode that drops off tones if it needs to be more robust, and uses 
some basic control signals between the stations to determine how many 
tones and what modulation constellation should be used.

The SCS development of P3 suggests that ONLY DBPSK and DQPSK should be 
used and the baud rate kept at or below 100 baud. This gives you ability 
to withstand polar flutter better than slower baud rates, and yet the 
multipath may be able to be corrected by using a coded modulation. Maybe 
improved Turbo codes instead of Viterbi?

The only other way would be to go to a single tone modem, such as the 
military/governments tend to use with an extreme baud rate with 
compensating codes. I think a key issue here is to come up with a 
compromise baud rate and not change it. P3 could have had higher rates 
like P2, but they chose not to do this. I think that is due to their 
finding that switching baud rates can be counterproductive. G-Tor from 
Kantronics could do 100, 200, or 300 baud and I have heard would spend 
way too much time figuring out which baud rate to use.

But as you say, for keyboard use, the sound card modes work well.

73,

Rick, KV9U






Demetre SV1UY wrote:
> First off PACTOR 3 supports DCD control so it can listen before it
> transmits. Now maybe the Winlink p

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor versus Olivia

[Jose A. Amador]

Well, without measuring anything on a path simulator, P III works very 
well.

Uses most of the good tricks on P II, like convolutional encoding (sort 
of FEC)
Viterbi (maximum likelyhoodi.e. minimum repeats) decoding, and some 
clever
speed change strategies.

P III improves in modulation, keeping PSK at the maximum distance between
constellation points, which is about the same with DBPSK or DQPSK. It is 
better
to keep the most robust constellation (P II did not) and add more 
carriers as
propagation allows. Only very bad propagation stops P III. And it is FAST,
works when WinDRM does not.

Seemingly, P III is strong enough at 100 bauds with the rest of the 
tricks it uses,
and seemingly does not NEED to hold the horses down to 50 baud. I don't 
know
for sure, either.

To me, it seems that testing something on a simulator with just gaussian 
white noise
does not tell the whole story. Doppler and spread delay should be mixed 
in the propagation
cocktail.

Why? So far, I have been unable to get  MT63  to work on 40 meters, 
NVIS.  Not so
on long distance 20 meters QSO's, where MT63 works very well.

I have been doing some measurements on doppler with Spectran on 6 and 7 MHz
broadcast stations, and I have seen up to 5 Hz doppler one evening, with 
very a
complex "weaved" QSB patterns. Possibly, that may kill MT63 at 10 baud

So far, the most robust HF mode to me is Olivia. Only once it has failed 
against PSK31
in a QSO with Argentina on 40, when the phasemeter seemed to go nuts on 
MixW, and garbled
PSK31 a lot, Olivia did not work.

I have had good results in tests with PAX / PAX-2, RTTYM, Contestia, 
Olivia, and a voice mode
Patrick included in MultiPSK, used as keyboard to keyboard mode. To me, 
so far, DominoEX at
4 baud with FEC is not as robust as Olivia. And Chip64/128 does NOT work 
on 40 meters.

People say that MultiPSK's 100 baud packet mode works very wellI 
have not been able to witness it so far.

So, here are my 2 centsany other comments to amount up to a dime?

Jose, CO2JA


DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote:

>  Please allow my 2 cents worth.
>
>  KN6KB in his presentation of SCAMP to the DCC a couple of years had a
>  slide that showed where he measured P III with a channel simulator
>  from KC7WW. I showed that around -5 dB SNR there was still something
>  in the area of 200 WPM throughput.
>
>  I believe that you might be able to see some incidental throughput
>  perhaps at less than 50 WPM.
>
>  The thing that will absolutely kill Pactor III is its 100 baud
>  physical signaling rate. There are conditions on HF when this high of
>  a baud rate simply will NOT propagate.
>
>  IMHO, if they were to drop the baud rate to 50, they might even see a
>  higher throughput at a -5 dB SNR.
>
>  Its interesting to note that KC7WW measured MT63 on his channel
>  simulator and MT63 showed 200 WPM at or near -5 dB SNR.
>
>  I discussed this at leangth with Vic Poor when we had breakfast at
>  the DCC and he agreed that the above was probably true for Pactor III
>  and MT63-2K between -2 and -7 dB.
>
>  If anyone would like to verify KN6KB's measurements, I recommend you
>  purchase a copy of the DCC proceedings from TAPR that contain KN6KB's
>  SCAMP presentation...or purchase a KC7WW channel simulator and check
>  it yourself. Note, you might also try duplicating the test using Moe
>  Wheatly's PathSimulator. It runs on a PC and is free to download.
>
>  73,
>
>  Walt/K5YFW
>
>  -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>  <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>
>  [mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>  <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>]On Behalf Of KV9U Sent:
>  Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:12 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>  <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [digitalradio]
>  Pactor versus Olivia
>
>  Rich and group,
>
>  I have read from the SCS website that there is still throughput with
>  P2 and especially P3 when down to maybe as low as -16 db below noise.
>  Others have claimed that Pactor 2 and 3 drastically drop off by the
>  time you reach -5 db S/N such as KN6KB's RFfootprints powerpoint on
>  comparing various digital modes.
>
>  Can you quantify what some throughputs might be at the low S/N
>  ratios? There isn't any miracle modulation scheme with pactor 2 and 3
>  from what I can see. What they do is optimize many little things
>  which gives them improved throughput.
>
>  I question whether P3 is going to work a lot better than the wider
>  Olivia under the most difficult conditions, although I hear the claim
>  made that it does extremely well. But I am not sure of the actual
>  throughput under real world conditions. The curious thing is that if
>  it can not o

RE: [digitalradio] Pactor versus Olivia

[DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA]

Please allow my 2 cents worth.

KN6KB in his presentation of SCAMP to the DCC a couple of years had a slide 
that showed where he measured P III with a channel simulator from KC7WW.  I 
showed that around -5 dB SNR there was still something in the area of 200 WPM 
throughput.

I believe that you might be able to see some incidental throughput perhaps at 
less than 50 WPM.

The thing that will absolutely kill Pactor III is its 100 baud physical 
signaling rate.  There are conditions on HF when this high of a baud rate 
simply will NOT propagate.

IMHO, if they were to drop the baud rate to 50, they might even see a higher 
throughput at a -5 dB SNR.

Its interesting to note that KC7WW measured MT63 on his channel simulator and 
MT63 showed 200 WPM at or near -5 dB SNR.

I discussed this at leangth with Vic Poor when we had breakfast at the DCC and 
he agreed that the above was probably true for Pactor III and MT63-2K between 
-2 and -7 dB.

If anyone would like to verify KN6KB's measurements, I recommend you purchase a 
copy of the DCC proceedings from TAPR that contain KN6KB's SCAMP 
presentation...or purchase a KC7WW channel simulator and check it yourself.  
Note, you might also try duplicating the test using Moe Wheatly's 
PathSimulator.  It runs on a PC and is free to download.

73,

Walt/K5YFW

-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of KV9U
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:12 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pactor versus Olivia


Rich and group,

I have read from the SCS website that there is still throughput with P2 
and especially P3 when down to maybe as low as -16 db below noise. 
Others have claimed that Pactor 2 and 3 drastically drop off by the time 
you reach -5 db S/N such as KN6KB's RFfootprints powerpoint on comparing 
various digital modes.

Can you quantify what some throughputs might be at the low S/N ratios? 
There isn't any miracle modulation scheme with pactor 2 and 3 from what 
I can see. What they do is optimize many little things which gives them 
improved throughput.

I question whether P3 is going to work a lot better than the wider 
Olivia under the most difficult conditions, although I hear the claim 
made that it does extremely well. But I am not sure of the actual 
throughput under real world conditions. The curious thing is that if it 
can not operate below 100 baud, there should be times of doppler, bit 
smearing, multipath, etc., that would make pactor modes completely 
unusable even though low baud rate modes would work quite well.

73,

Rick, KV9U



Rich Mulvey wrote:

>What BW/tones were you using for the Olivia comparison?
>
>The thing about Pactor 1 is that it's adequate for relatively good 
>conditions, but is noticably worse than
>Pactor 2 and 3 when things get marginal.  Pactor 3 absolutely shines 
>under the absolute worst conditions,
>when all of the sound card mode operators have given up and turned off 
>their rigs, complaining that the band
>is dead.  ;-)
>
>- Rich
>
>
>
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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor versus Olivia

[KV9U]

Rich and group,

I have read from the SCS website that there is still throughput with P2 
and especially P3 when down to maybe as low as -16 db below noise. 
Others have claimed that Pactor 2 and 3 drastically drop off by the time 
you reach -5 db S/N such as KN6KB's RFfootprints powerpoint on comparing 
various digital modes.

Can you quantify what some throughputs might be at the low S/N ratios? 
There isn't any miracle modulation scheme with pactor 2 and 3 from what 
I can see. What they do is optimize many little things which gives them 
improved throughput.

I question whether P3 is going to work a lot better than the wider 
Olivia under the most difficult conditions, although I hear the claim 
made that it does extremely well. But I am not sure of the actual 
throughput under real world conditions. The curious thing is that if it 
can not operate below 100 baud, there should be times of doppler, bit 
smearing, multipath, etc., that would make pactor modes completely 
unusable even though low baud rate modes would work quite well.

73,

Rick, KV9U



Rich Mulvey wrote:

>What BW/tones were you using for the Olivia comparison?
>
>The thing about Pactor 1 is that it's adequate for relatively good 
>conditions, but is noticably worse than
>Pactor 2 and 3 when things get marginal.  Pactor 3 absolutely shines 
>under the absolute worst conditions,
>when all of the sound card mode operators have given up and turned off 
>their rigs, complaining that the band
>is dead.  ;-)
>
>- Rich
>
>
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor versus Olivia

[Rich Mulvey]

Andrew O'Brien wrote:
>
> I actually had my first Pactor QSO today, there was a ham calling CQ
> on 40M Pactor 1 FEC. After working him via Pactor, we tried to
> compare Olivia versus Pactor going down to 1 watt, both were 100%
> copy. We were about 100 miles apart.
>






What BW/tones were you using for the Olivia comparison?

The thing about Pactor 1 is that it's adequate for relatively good 
conditions, but is noticably worse than
Pactor 2 and 3 when things get marginal.  Pactor 3 absolutely shines 
under the absolute worst conditions,
when all of the sound card mode operators have given up and turned off 
their rigs, complaining that the band
is dead.  ;-)

- Rich

Re: [digitalradio] Pactor versus Olivia

[Roger J. Buffington]

Andrew O'Brien wrote:
>
>  I actually had my first Pactor QSO today, there was a ham calling CQ
>  on 40M Pactor 1 FEC. After working him via Pactor, we tried to
>  compare Olivia versus Pactor going down to 1 watt, both were 100%
>  copy. We were about 100 miles apart.
>
>  -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 
>  www.obriensweb.com

Pactor is a great keyboard-to-keyboard QSO and DX mode.  My impression 
has been that it is as dead as Julius Caesar as such.  I have not heard 
Pactor FEC in years.  Good job and keep us posted if there is much 
qso/pactor activity.  Maybe I'll take my old PTC-II out of mothballs, grin.

de Roger W6VZV

[digitalradio] Pactor versus Olivia

[Andrew O'Brien]

I actually had my first Pactor QSO today, there was a ham calling CQ
on 40M Pactor 1 FEC.  After working him via Pactor, we tried to
compare Olivia versus Pactor going down to 1 watt, both were 100%
copy.  We were about 100 miles apart.

-- 
Andy K3UK
Skype Me :  callto://andyobrien73
www.obriensweb.com

Re: [digitalradio] pactor via sound card?

[KV9U]

For software control with a computer, the only partial solution was to 
use a Pactor I program developed for Linux, but from comments from those 
who have used it, the results were mediocre at best since it can not 
equal the dedicated box. I am not sure if this is still true with the 
much more powerful computers of today. Perhaps someone here in the group 
has tried it with a 2 or 3 GHz computer and can report on its 
effectiveness, or lack thereof.

It is possible that someday we might see more adoption of the PSKmail 
system, which also uses the Linux OS to operate. This system has few 
servers at act as the go between the internet and the remote user. The 
throughput is very slow compared to the Winlink 2000 system but it is 
also much more bandwidth conserving.

I am assuming that you want to connect to the Winlink 2000 system which 
now only uses Pactor I, II and in some areas will likely continue with 
III.  If you want to connect with good speed, you would need the 
proprietary, single sourced German SCS box since no one has come very 
close to matching the Pactor 2 throughput for 500 Hz bandwidth with 
using a soundcard mode. And the Winlink 2000 SCAMP effort failed to 
compete successfully so was never further developed and now would be 
illegal under the new rules:(  The Winlink 2000 servers typically have a 
maximum connect time of 30 minutes per 24 hours, so a slow modem might 
not get everything through depending upon your needs. The only less 
expensive alternative would be a used Kantronics or AEA/Timewave box 
running only Pactor I. The new boxes from these companies are so 
expensive now, that you would be better off to go with the SCS.

Because of the FCC mandated changes for U.S. amateur licensees, it looks 
like Pactor 3 will no longer be possible on the ham bands unless the FCC 
makes a change to its recent decision. I don't see how it can possibly 
do that and still support their contention that there must be narrow 
bandwidth areas for data, unless they allow wide bandwidth data modes in 
the phone/image area.

73,

Rick, KV9U


James Hickox wrote:

>Hello all,
>Does anyone know of a way to both copy and transmit on pactor?  I need 
>to put together a small digital station with just the xcvr and 
>laptop.  I don't need another box!!!  Will be using it to send E-mail 
>back from the wilds of Peru this summer if all goes well.
>
>Thanks and 73,
>
>James HIckox, AA5AO
>
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] pactor via sound card?

[David Struebel]

Sound card software will not work very well with Pactor because of the 
timing requirements with

the burst mode

Dave WB2FTX

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> Hello all,
> Does anyone know of a way to both copy and transmit on pactor? I need
> to put together a small digital station with just the xcvr and
> laptop. I don't need another box!!!

Get a SCS P3 box.. If you're doing anything beyond pure recreation with
it that's the way to go. It's a small box.

> Will be using it to send E-mail
> back from the wilds of Peru this summer if all goes well.

With a little luck I'll be consuming Inca Kola at the in-laws in Lima this
summer..

73
Bill - WA7NWP

 

Re: [digitalradio] pactor via sound card?

[wa7nwp]

> Hello all,
> Does anyone know of a way to both copy and transmit on pactor?  I need
> to put together a small digital station with just the xcvr and
> laptop.  I don't need another box!!!

Get a SCS P3 box..  If you're doing anything beyond pure recreation with
it that's the way to go.  It's a small box.

> Will be using it to send E-mail
> back from the wilds of Peru this summer if all goes well.

With a little luck I'll be consuming Inca Kola at the in-laws in Lima this
summer..

73
Bill - WA7NWP

[digitalradio] pactor via sound card?

[James Hickox]

Hello all,
Does anyone know of a way to both copy and transmit on pactor?  I need 
to put together a small digital station with just the xcvr and 
laptop.  I don't need another box!!!  Will be using it to send E-mail 
back from the wilds of Peru this summer if all goes well.

Thanks and 73,

James HIckox, AA5AO

Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

[John Becker]

Thanks Joe.
I did not think it had ARQ and that's the meat of Pactor
and Amtor.



At 07:51 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote:
>MixW only copies and no ARQ mode.
> 
>Joe
>W4JSI
> 



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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

[John Becker]

At 07:31 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote:
>I dont know John.  I havent used it in Mixw, and when just looked it just
>says PACTOR.
>What freq are you on again?

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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

[Danny Douglas]

I dont know John.  I havent used it in Mixw, and when just looked it just
says PACTOR.
What freq are you on again?

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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

[Joe Ivey]

MixW only copies and no ARQ mode.
 
Joe
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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

[John Becker]

At 06:51 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote:
>?? Mixw has PACTOR .


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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

[Danny Douglas]

?? Mixw has PACTOR .  Is it something different?  I have never used it with
MIX, but did have and use it with my MFJ multimode controller several years
ago.
Danny Douglas N7DC
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> Not really Danny.
> I have posted that I'm there - all anyone to do is get on that freq
> and connect  That's OK mixw wont cut it anyway.
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> At 05:44 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote:
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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

[John Becker]

Not really Danny.
I have posted that I'm there - all anyone to do is get on that freq
and connect  That's OK mixw wont cut it anyway.




At 05:44 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote:
> someone has to initiate, assumed you were calling.  Anyway, I dont have
>Pactor right now- its in my MIXW which isnt operative right now.






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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

[Danny Douglas]

 someone has to initiate, assumed you were calling.  Anyway, I dont have
Pactor right now- its in my MIXW which isnt operative right now.
Danny Douglas N7DC
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> Same here.
> But I'm not call anything just waiting for a connect from someone.
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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

[John Becker]

Same here.
But I'm not call anything just waiting for a connect from someone.



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>Only hear F5FP calling cq there on SSB.








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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

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Only hear F5FP calling cq there on SSB.

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> OK guys - I at last got the hi-swr problem fixed.
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[digitalradio] PACTOR anyone ?

[John Becker]

OK guys - I at last got the hi-swr problem fixed.
I'm on 40 at this time 7.080,  LSB of course.
Game for any connect.

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[digitalradio] Pactor Patents

[expeditionradio]

What are the patent numbers for 
Pactor 1 
Pactor 2  
Pactor 3 
?

I would like to read the patents.

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[digitalradio] PActor ??

[Art Marshall]

Can anyone tell me what freqs are being used for HF pactor.  I have an 
ole MFJ 1278 and would like to start monitoring and get on Pactor1.

Pse advise, 

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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR 1

[John Becker]

Yes Art there is a lot of Pactor 1 on the air.
You have to look for it as most are using the sound card modes.
But those of us that have the hardware are all over the place.
Most don't see us because they are hanging out around
14,070.

John, W0JAB

At 09:56 PM 8/30/2006, you wrote:
>Is anyone doing Pactor 1 on HF, and if so what HF freqs can I find some
>activity.
>
>73's,   Art












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[digitalradio] PACTOR 1

[Art Marshall]

Is anyone doing Pactor 1 on HF, and if so what HF freqs can I find some 
activity.

73's,   Art








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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor II / III Keboard to Keyboard And Other Questions

[John Becker]

I'll take a crack at this since all my operation is either RTTY
(using a model 28ARS machine) or pactor ARQ using a TNC.

(1)Most are on pactor 1. very few on K2K on 2 or 3.

(2)   the way it does what it does.

(3) not that I know of. A few years ago nextel (I think it was) did try
to patent PTP "push to talk" and was not able to.

(4) yes it can be  reverse engineered. That is what was done years
ago for the PC.


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>1 Does anybody have a feel for how many Hams are using PII and PIII for
>keyboard QSOs?
>
>2. SCS has a patent on these modes. What exactly is patented? I know the
>hardware must be, and probably a software element like compression can
>be patented, but what else?
>
>3. In reference to 2, is it possible to patent tone and modulation
>techniques?
>
>4. If 4 is false, then couldn't a "mode" be reverse engineered, and then
>changes made to the patented portions?
>
>I am in no way suggesting that this be done with any particular mode or
>format.
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[digitalradio] Pactor II / III Keboard to Keyboard And Other Questions

[Jon Maguire]

1 Does anybody have a feel for how many Hams are using PII and PIII for 
keyboard QSOs?

2. SCS has a patent on these modes. What exactly is patented? I know the 
hardware must be, and probably a software element like compression can 
be patented, but what else?

3. In reference to 2, is it possible to patent tone and modulation 
techniques?

4. If 4 is false, then couldn't a "mode" be reverse engineered, and then 
changes made to the patented portions?

I am in no way suggesting that this be done with any particular mode or 
format.

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[digitalradio] PACTOR - sitting on 7075 now

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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor III Legal or Not?

[KV9U]

I am not sure how SCAMP was brought into the discussion, but having been 
a beta tester, I can concur that since the mode used the RDFT protocol 
like used in Digtrx, the digital SSTV program.

Since amateur radio is a self policing service, I would greatly prefer 
that all modes be required to be in plain language that can be readily 
decoded with non-commercial software. But Pactor modes have been around 
for quite a few years now and it is likely too late to do much about it.

I would be surprised to find any SCAMP on the air since the beta 
programs had timers in them that would make them inoperative after a few 
months time and I have not heard of any new SCAMP releases (yet) from 
the SCAMPprotocol group.

The most recent discussions were about the DominoEX mode.

73,

Rick, KV9U



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> Scamp is wide and if your look on your waterfall, looks like a series 
> of PSK transmissions separated by a couple of hundred HZ
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> I don't think so.
> It seems to hi in the band for any Pactor operations.
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> What time (GMT) was this? I'll give a listen.
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> At 04:58 PM 12/11/05, you wrote:
> >Anyone know if Pactor III is legal here in the US?
> >
> >Was on 20 meters around 14.107 or so and a booming ~2.5 KHz signal
> >that could have only been Pactor III was cranking. Who knows what the
> >station was doing, gotta have a PTIII decoder program.
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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor III Legal or Not?

[John Bradley]

Scamp is wide and if your look on your waterfall, 
looks like a series of PSK transmissions separated by a couple of hundred 
HZ

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  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pactor III 
  Legal or Not?
  I don't think so.It seems to hi in the band for any 
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Re: [digitalradio] Pactor III Legal or Not?

[John Becker]

I don't think so.
It seems to hi in the band for any Pactor operations.

What time (GMT) was this? I'll give a listen.


At 04:58 PM 12/11/05, you wrote:
>Anyone know if Pactor III is legal here in the US?
>
>Was on 20 meters around 14.107 or so and a booming ~2.5 KHz signal
>that could have only been Pactor III was cranking. Who knows what the
>station was doing, gotta have a PTIII decoder program.
>
>By the way, any hope of a Pactor III like decoder for one of these
>sound card programs?
>
>N6CRR
>
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[digitalradio] Pactor III Legal or Not?

[palmdalesteve]

Anyone know if Pactor III is legal here in the US?

Was on 20 meters around 14.107 or so and a booming ~2.5 KHz signal
that could have only been Pactor III was cranking. Who knows what the
station was doing, gotta have a PTIII decoder program. 

By the way, any hope of a Pactor III like decoder for one of these
sound card programs?

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[digitalradio] Pactor/pactrash

[swl0720]

What is with the lids that operate this mode?  They think they can 
just fire up any old time and freq. to pass their numbnuts ham grams?  
I don't know anyone who cannot make a phone call anywhere in the world 
for cheap these days.  That includes the folks at sea.  The PX sells 
satellite phones for cheap and most of the troops in Iraq have their 
as well as folks in the fleet (USN for them who don't know).  Why do 
we have to put up with this winlink or airmail or whatever else is 
involved with this?  Ham grams are a thing of the past anywayI got 
a tnc from a friend of mine and was able to copy some of this "ham 
traffic" and a lot of it was commercial stuff.  ie:  ordering parts 
for a power company in Mexicomaking reservations at hotels, etc.  
Maybe us digimode folks oughta abandon the low power idea and run the 
full legal limit at all times, if you can, and see if these lids will 
go away.  I say phooey to this PACTRASH and the powers to be who think 
it is the "cats meow"...it aint nothing but robot QRM and the same 
rules apply to them as the ones who are sinking that K1MAN lid!!
Rich K2TFT...go ahead and flame me...put pactor in the comPACTOR har 
har.




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RE: [digitalradio] Pactor newbie question

[Rick Williams]

Good questions Carlton,

1. The Pactor I protocol was sort of publicly open although there were some
claims that only SCS modems properly implemented the "memory ARQ" part.
Pactor I is really a pretty good HF protocol but it is rarely used anymore
for casual keyboarding since the advent of the sound card modes, in
particular PSK31, which keep up fairly well with typing speed and are
exceptionally narrow band modes. Most of the sound card modes are not ARQ
modes so are not error free, but it appears that WinDRM has a new ARQ mode
and also

Because of the highly proprietary nature of both the software and hardware
for P2 and P3, the only source for this product is SCS which many of us find
unacceptable for use on amateur radio frequencies but they apparently just
squeak through the rules enough so that it can be used.

2. There are no sound card applications for P2 or P3. At least one
programmer has made the statement that the SCS microprocessor (dedicated to
one main task of course) has about 10 times the power of a fast Pentium
computer and it also has the ability for tight timing tolerances which may
not be possible to do with the overhead of a computer (non real time OS).

3. P2 runs in a 500 Hz bandwidth, but P3 was designed to use most of a
standard voice channel width so it is several times wider. It also can run
much faster and currently is the fastest and most robust ARQ protocol used
on the HF ham bands since it is optimized by SCS for this application.

The only other high speed ARQ mode that is potentially competitive, is the
SCAMP (Sound Card Amateur Message Protocol)recently developed by Rick,
KN6KB, the primary current software developer for the Winlink 2000 system.
This mode is similar in width to P3 but not quite as fast, but is faster
than P2. At this time the weak signal ability is not adequate for practical
emergency communications use but they are trying to port some Linux
developed fall back speeds to the Windows OS so it can run on Winlink 2000.
As a beta tester for SCAMP, I can say that under very good HF conditions (>
10 db S/N) SCAMP works very well indeed. It also has an additional feature
in the Paclink SCD program it is used in that insures that you will not
transmit on a busy channel.

73,

Rick, KV9U


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Subject: [digitalradio] Pactor newbie question


Hello.  I just joined the group and am fairly new to Ham radio.  I got
into it because of my interest in emergency communication.  As part of
it, I'm starting to learn about digital modes and such things as
RF-based e-mail/BBS available through Winlink.

My questions probably fall into the realm of an FAQ but I couldn't
find the answers anywhere so here goes.

1) Besides SCS, who else builds PACTOR controllers that could be used
to interface a radio and computer running Winlink?  It appears MFJ
used to but got out of the business.  Kantronics only appears to
support PACTOR I which, as I understand it, isn't used much or is too
slow.  I could be very wrong on this point.

2) In the APRS world there are several sound-card-based interfaces
(e.g. SV2AGW Packet Engine) that replace the hardware TNC.  Do such
applications exist for PACTOR?

3) I see that SCS has released a PACTOR III protocol/upgrade.  What
are the major differences between PACTOR II and PACTOR III?

Thanks

Carlton
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[digitalradio] Pactor newbie question

[cdoe333]

Hello.  I just joined the group and am fairly new to Ham radio.  I got
into it because of my interest in emergency communication.  As part of
it, I'm starting to learn about digital modes and such things as
RF-based e-mail/BBS available through Winlink.

My questions probably fall into the realm of an FAQ but I couldn't
find the answers anywhere so here goes.  

1) Besides SCS, who else builds PACTOR controllers that could be used
to interface a radio and computer running Winlink?  It appears MFJ
used to but got out of the business.  Kantronics only appears to
support PACTOR I which, as I understand it, isn't used much or is too
slow.  I could be very wrong on this point.

2) In the APRS world there are several sound-card-based interfaces
(e.g. SV2AGW Packet Engine) that replace the hardware TNC.  Do such
applications exist for PACTOR?

3) I see that SCS has released a PACTOR III protocol/upgrade.  What
are the major differences between PACTOR II and PACTOR III?

Thanks

Carlton
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RE: [digitalradio] pactor II receving

[Rick Williams]

It is unlikely that this will be done. The system (both hardware and
software) is proprietary and will probably always remain that way. Since you
are unable to have self policing by the radio amateur community (unless they
have the specific product sold only by one company), Pactor II and III may
not be the most appropriate modes on the ham bands. They almost become de
facto "encrypted" modes, quite unlike other digital modes.

There has not been much interest by the software developers for ARQ modes
since their interest has been casual keyboarding.
But I am hopeful that eventually we will be seeing ARQ digital modes, such
as SCAMP, that can hopefully obsolete Pactor on the ham bands.

73,

Rick, KV9U


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Is there any freeware program for pactor II receving with souncard and
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[digitalradio] pactor II receving

[aykyavuz]

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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR I ??

[H.I. Shieber]

I was always told that it was a legal or proprietary (NOT technical)
reason.  That is why the Pactor modes are omitted from Soundcard
programs.  Is that correct?

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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR I ??

[Scott Erwin]

Converting to Linux is going to be problematic for a
lot of Windows OS users. Some sound cards will not
work properly as well. An easy and cheap way to try
out Pactor I mode is to make your own very simple and
cheap modem connected to a PC serial port. The modem
is known as a Hamcomm style modem. The software used
is Terman93.zip available from the Baycom site. This
program is so small that the entire program fits on a
single floppy disk along with some old version of
MS-DOS boot files. Simply boot the computer on your
floppy disk and run the program from that same disk
and your PC becomes a Pactor I, Amtor, and RTTY TNC
with a built in screen and keyboard. You do not need
access to your hard drive at all so there is no chance
of corrupting your Windows operating system or other
programs on it. Going back to Windows is easy, simply
remove the boot/terman93 floppy disk and restart your
computer. Your PC is back to normal operation! The
computer can be an old 386 and above which you could
get for a buck or two at a yard sale or thrift store
and no hard drive is required so you could have a
dedicated Pactor I, Amtor, and RTTY digital setup for
less than $20. Here is a link to an article detailing
this setup.
http://www.eham.net/articles/7095
This Article is a little old now so some of the links
may not work now. All the basic information you need
is in the article and a Google on Hamcomm, Volksrtty,
AN-93, or Terman93 will pretty much give you all the
information you need. 

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Re: [digitalradio] PACTOR I ??

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[digitalradio] PACTOR I ??

[niddy noddy]

Hello Listers!
I am wondering if there are any Soundcard Programs out
there that feature PACTOR I ??

I currently use MMTTY and find it excellent, so was
hoping to duplicate mty satisfaction AND work a new
mode.

KF8ZN

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