date:20050921


Josef Shvejk wrote:


agreed, but SlimCD on that machine may still be challenging (the
old IBM
laptops needed some black magic boot strings passed because of their
non-standard CD interfaces).

 
SlimCD boots fine on Thinkpad T22. I do not know about any older models.
Alternatively, you could pull out the hard drive from the laptop and 
hook it up to a desktop machine. Boot the desktop from SlimCd and run 
install to HD. It requires a bit of work, but then the laptop CD drive 
is not needed anymore.
 
Cheers,


I think the T line is after they switched to a normal ATAPI drive... any 
way, your hard drive trick is the way that I've successfully installed 
to laptops of the 240's vintage. A 40-44 pin adapter will be required, 
coupla bucks at the nearest RadioShack/Fry's equivalent.



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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread Pat Farrell

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 16:55 -0400, Bill Cutts wrote:
> You can also use a distributed version of this approach:
> www.accuraterip.com
> maintains a database of checksums generated from rips of CDs 
> that you can compare your rips against. You get a "confidence"
>  number that indicates how many submitted rips agree with yours. 
> Any match gives a pretty good indication that your rip is accurate.

This is a cool idea. Much easier than mine of getting three computers.

> EAC and dbPowerAmp are currently the only supported rippers.

But they only seem to support those rippers 
on Windows, which goes against my open source religion.
So I've asked their support forum about how to get
other rippers on the list.

It looks like doing validation of the checksums is possible,
but they are, justifiably, paranoid about bad implementations
polluting their data. This would be fine with me, as all I
really care about is that other people get the same results
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[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread Kevin O. Lepard


Now it's either the wireless section in my SB2
that's faulty, or it's the Belkin router


Well, the Belkin's sure are trashed thoroughly on 
broadbandreports.com (says a guy who bought one based on a 
recommendation here but hasn't installed it yet, oh well).


One thing that would be cheaper than replacing it, though, is 
flashing it with the Linksys WRT54GX Firwmare.  I know it sounds a 
little crazy, but I was reading up on it today, and there are pretty 
positive reports on it in the forums there.  And it would be free. 
Of course, your time is always worth something, too.  See:


http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,13874867

Just a thought.

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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread Josef Shvejk


agreed, but SlimCD on that machine may still be challenging (the old IBMlaptops needed some black magic boot strings passed because of their
non-standard CD interfaces).
 
SlimCD boots fine on Thinkpad T22. I do not know about any older models.
Alternatively, you could pull out the hard drive from the laptop and hook it up to a desktop machine. Boot the desktop from SlimCd and run install to HD. It requires a bit of work, but then the laptop CD drive is not needed anymore.

 
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[slim] Re: Delete Playlist

2005-09-21 Thread jbcsl


I'm trying to fine a way to delete saved playlist through the command
line interface, but couldn't.  Is it possible?  If so, how?  If not,
can we please have this feature? (e.g. playlistdelete playlist_id:###)


dean Wrote: 
> This is a good idea.  I've filed it as bug 1980.  I think a  
> javascript/css popup confirmation would be a good solution.
> 
> 
> On Aug 14, 2005, at 7:00 AM, Steve wrote:
> 
> > I think it would be a good idea to add a "Are you sure?" warning  
> > when the
> > Delete Playlist option is pressed in the Browse Playlist screen. It 
> 
> > is right
> > next to the Edit Playlist button and over the Browse Playlists, so  
> > it is
> > rather easy to hit accidently. (In fact, I just did so).
> >
> > -Steve
> > 
> > Steven Kramer
> > stevek1050pub (AT) comcast (DOT) net
> > 
> >
> >
> >


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[slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread street_samurai


I suggest if you want a detailed ins-and-outs look at why EAC is the
best ripper around then you go look on Hydrogenaudio forums. There is
-very- detailed discussion about what it does and does not do and why
it is/is not better than other rippers.

I completely agree that there is mumbo jumbo and I did not say that you
won't get perfect rips with other programs. I'm just saying that if you
want to be -sure- that you got a perfect rip, then EAC is as good as
there is. 

EAC isn't for everyone. As I mentioned, its reasonably complex to setup
properly. As someoelse mentioned, once its all setup and your profiles
are saved... its a breeze.

Munge, try another CD to see if it works. If EACs error checking
bothers you use another ripper. 

Any time you use a program that rips to WAV without then passing its
metadata data to FLAC is going to lose all of your metadata information
(which you definitely want). The WAV file format does not contain
metadata. I'm not sure how iTunes works with FlacFrontEnd but I'd bet
that the tags will be lost.

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[slim] Re: Browsing art covers


kdf Wrote: 
> 
> ...
> Would you have traded native WMA? or multilanguage support?
> ...
> 
> kdf


In a heartbeat.  But I'm glad I don't have to set priorities.  That can
be a difficult and thankless task.

Thanks for the workaround.  I might update my tags if an enthusiastic
contributer doesn't come along.

Regards,
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[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread MrC


CavesOfTQLT, I will reiterate here again that I've been using the Belkin
Pre-N router since it came out, and have no trouble at all.  We use it
for several hours a day with SB2, and with our wireless cards (belkin,
intel, linksys) and have no trouble.  In fact, we love it.

Remember, the airgo chip in the belkin pre-n is the same one used in
the linksys srx model, and the netgear pre-n model.  If you purchase
one of those models, you won't be purchasing much different hardware,
just different default settings and perhaps minor configuration
differences.

Bottom line - 802.11b/g uses a very crowded radio band, and is very
error prone under such conditions.


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[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread CavesOfTQLT


seanadams Wrote: 
> Kevin says he emailed you on 9/8, the same day you contacted us. Please
> double check your mail.
I've checked and there definately is no e-mail, either in the inbox or
the junk & trash folders, so what Kevin said in his message will remain
unknown to me.

As an update I again had to go through the SB2 wireless set-up section
tonight to get it talking to the slimserver. It's as though the SB2
'forgets' the network password, and so it can't 'see' the slimserver on
the network. Could this possibly be similar to the changing MAC address
issue that some people have experienced? Anyway, tomorrow I'll be
looking at purchasing a new wireless router, though on Saturday I'll be
going away on vacation for a week so I won't be able to give the
(whatever new system) a long enough trial before leaving.

Now reading some of the posts in this thread I get the impression that
some people believe that the slimserver software is at fault, and if
this has been gleaned from anything I've posted then sorry, I'm not
implying this. Listening to music via Softsqueeze OR a wired SB2 shows
that the system is 'sound', it's just the wireless side in my case
that's been a PITA. Now it's either the wireless section in my SB2
that's faulty, or it's the Belkin router, and the easiest way for me to
check this is to purchase an $80 Lynksys rather than another $200+
Squeezebox2. And if doing this does indeed clear all of the problems
I've faced over the past six or so weeks, then I'll be imploring anyone
who's interested in having a wireless SB2 system not to use a Belkin
router.

I'll post back with my findings, though it'll be in about 2-3 weeks
time in order to give me enough time to give the system a thorough
workout on my return.

Thanks for all your comms.


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Re: [slim] Re: Browsing art covers

Quoting Music Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> Just voted for 305.  Looks like it's been there since v6.0.  305 is a
> pretty low number.  Guess we need votes if we ever want to see this
> enhancement.
>
It doens't help that it is not an easy task. Taking time to sort and manage
artwork in a more flexible way (including figuring out how to assign a cover
art in a genre context) would take time away from many other tasks for some
amount of time.  Would you have traded native WMA? or multilanguage support?

votes do help, but finding 'enthusiastic amateurs' is what REALLY ends up
getting it done sooner :)

kdf

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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread superbad


Searching titles, only one that hasn't already been mentioned:

Blood Money by The Church from Starfish


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[slim] Re: Browsing art covers


Just voted for 305.  Looks like it's been there since v6.0.  305 is a
pretty low number.  Guess we need votes if we ever want to see this
enhancement.

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Re: [slim] Re: Browsing art covers

Quoting camelx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> Sorry, my bad.just voted for 305.

no problem.  easier than splitting the votes
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Sorry, my bad.just voted for 305.

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Re: [slim] Re: Browsing art covers

Quoting camelx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> Vote for this it you would like to see it happen.
>


or, in fact:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=305

which is enough of the same thing that it is really best kept together in one
place.

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[slim] Re: Browsing art covers


camelx Wrote: 
> That's even a much better idea. I hope this will be considered.
> 
> Let me say this to the "Slim" team. I can't tell you how many people I
> show my Squeezebox to. They love it, but by far the MOST impressive
> thing is when we sit around the dinner table with the wireless laptop
> and pass it around for everyone to pick the songs they like. Browsing
> the artwork album covers is the way they are all drawn to - I think a
> mod to browse the artwork by genre/artist/title would be huge - people
> seeing it for the first time focus right in on that. No interface to
> learn, just browse albums like the old days.
> 
> Please consider this!
In the meantime, you can do it with some creative file tagging.  It's
not very flexible, but it works.  Add ALBUMSORT tags to your files
(Assuming you use FLAC or Ogg/Vorbis. Use TSOA in MP3 files.  I have no
idea what to use in any others, since it's never been documented.)  Make
the ALBUMSORT tag equal genre, then artist name (or ARTISTSORT if you
want lastname/firstname order), then album name.  I've done this to my
whole collection using mp3tag (http://www.mp3tag.de/en/), which can be
scripted to build the ALBUMSORT tag from the existing tags.  I use
browse artwork almost exclusively, sorted by artist, year, album name -
a typical ALBUMSORT tag looks like:

Clapton, Eric|1977|Slowhand


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[slim] Re: Browsing art covers


Vote for this it you would like to see it happen.

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2167


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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread stuorguk


Dan Reed Network - Money  (from The Heat)
Gail Ann Dorsey - Money  (from Rude Blue)
Black - All We Need Is The Money  (from Comedy)
Culture Club - Black Money  (from VH1 Storytellers - Greatest Moments
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[slim] Re: Browsing art covers


That's even a much better idea. I hope this will be considered.

Let me say this to the "Slim" team. I can't tell you how many people I
show my Squeezebox to. They love it, but by far the MOST impressive
thing is when we sit around the dinner table with the wireless laptop
and pass it around for everyone to pick the songs they like. Browsing
the artwork album covers is the way they are all drawn to - I think a
mod to browse the artwork by genre/artist/title would be huge - people
seeing it for the first time focus right in on that. No interface to
learn, just browse albums like the old days.

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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money


A couple more that I don't think I saw in the list:

Blue Money by Van Morrison from His Band and The Street Choir 

The Big Money by Rush from The Spirit of Radio: Greatest Hits
1974-1987

Money Honey by Ry Cooder from Into the Purple Valley

If You've Got The Money I've Got The Time by Willlie Nelson from The
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Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox firmware update using Sony remote

2005-09-21 Thread Pat Farrell

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 14:07 -0700, dean blackketter wrote:
> Alas, you'll have to dig up a Slim Devices remote.  Replacements can  
> be ordered here:

I nearly never use my remote, not sure I could find it.

Seems to me that a "lending library" might be better
than making folks pay for something they really
don't want to use. It sure would be keeping in
the spirit that I've seen from Slim's support

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keithleng wrote:


Somebody took my reference to "enthusiastic amateurs" as an insult. It
wasn't intended as that. I've asked for help here before and received
it. It seems to me to be a friendly community of people who enjoy
working with the SB. I disagree with the people who claim that amateurs
are the cream of the crop and are likely to produce better software than
professionals.

Again, I'm not trying to insult people here. I'm coming at this from a
different angle to most. I'm not the least interested in getting into
debugging the code or faffing around with techie stuff. That's my day
job. I simply want the SB to do what it says on the tin.

For the record, the situation I often encounter is that, at the least
provocation, slim.exe will start using 90-odd percent of the CPU and
stay that way. Eventually it will start to stutter. Stopping and
starting it sometimes fixes it; sometimes a machine reboot is needed.

The type of event that triggers this behaviour seems very varied:
stopping and staring a firewall, starting a download on another machine
on the network, receiving an e-mail, or, sometimes, nothing at all.

 

what kind of firewall? I've seen this with other programs when ZoneAlarm 
is blocking the program's network access.


I'm also wondering if you're seeing database scans. A high-usage 
scenario can be caused by fubar'd ID3 tags or recursive shortcuts/links 
in your library.



I've used SB1 and SB2 on various flavours of linux and windows and on
many different combinations of hardware. I've never had a settled
system and it just gets very wearisome when all I want to do is listen
to some music.


 




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This is one of the reasons I stopped using it.  It would be so cool if
they sorted by genre/artist/title.  I would use this all the time
because I'm one of those old fasioned people that like to play whole
albums.

Sorting by title alone is pretty useless except to check for missing
artwork.

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[slim] Re: How to use FLAC?


Munge Wrote: 
> The CD went back and forth for ages and then it said that there was an
> error. No file created.
One last thing: Is it possible a WAV file was created but no FLAC? If
so, I posted what may be the solution a while back
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=48738#post48738):abdomen Wrote: 
> I was experiencing the same problem, until I changed a single checkbox
> in EAC's options. I believe it was "Skip track extraction on read or
> sync errors".
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[slim] Re: Squeezebox firmware update using Sony remote


dean Wrote: 
> Ah, you are right.  The CH+ and CH- minus are brightness up and down,  
> but won't trigger a firmware update.
> 
> Alas, you'll have to dig up a Slim Devices remote.  Replacements can  
> be ordered here:
Another reason, maybe the best one yet, to make this step in the
firmware upgrade process optional.  A web interface might be a good
idea, too.

Vote for this enhancement here:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=641


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Josef Shvejk wrote:

>I plan to use an old Thinkpad 240 (300 MHz, 128 MB RAM, W2K) for the 
server.
 
If this is a slimserver dedicated PC, then I would definitely 
recommend SlimCD instead of W2K.

Works much better with low specs. W2K is a dog with 128 MB of RAM.
.
http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.p...&kategorie=slim 


.
Hope this helps.



agreed, but SlimCD on that machine may still be challenging (the old IBM 
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Munge Wrote: 
> Otherwise I will go for iTunes --> WAV --> Flac Frontend --> Flac. At
> least it works and is easy to use.
This sounds reasonable to me, but I don't think your FLAC files will
contain any metadata after this procedure. Slimserver may still
correctly infer artist, album, track number, and track name from the
file and folder names, but I believe you will find year and genre are
missing when you use your SB2. However, I have seen positive comments
recently on these forums about software at http://musicbrainz.org/ that
I believe could look at your FLAC files and add metadata to them from a
central database. It's a safe bet more suggestions are forthcoming from
others...

I hope you find a solution that suits you without too much more
confusion-- I was there myself about 6 weeks ago.


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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread SlimPvC


ceejay Wrote: 
> 
> PS I just checked my own library: songs containing "money": 7.
> Songs containing "love": 256  !!!

Searching for 'love' I found 721 tracks in my collection (which I am
not gonna mention here) but there's exactly one hit for 
"Love Not Money" (Everything but the Girl album title).

Have we just invented SlimDB whacking? 

What fun this is...
If you're into this": I found that Alistair has built hist SB into his
bathroom wall (see the plugin section, or
http://www.chasingparkedcars.com/bathroom/index.html ) and is asking
for suggestions for his playlistI've already added mine...


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Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox firmware update using Sony remote

2005-09-21 Thread dean blackketter

Ah, you are right.  The CH+ and CH- minus are brightness up and down,  
but won't trigger a firmware update.


Alas, you'll have to dig up a Slim Devices remote.  Replacements can  
be ordered here:





On Sep 21, 2005, at 1:17 AM, Swearengen wrote:



Well holding down the Channel + doesn't do it for me, is there  
anyway of

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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread Bill Cutts

You can also use a distributed version of this approach:

www.accuraterip.com

maintains a database of checksums generated from rips of CDs that you can 
compare your rips against. You get a "confidence" number that indicates how 
many submitted rips agree with yours. Any match gives a pretty good indication 
that your rip is accurate.

EAC and dbPowerAmp are currently the only supported rippers. I tend to use 
dbPowerAmp for most of my rips because it's much faster than EAC on my system. 
If I don't get an accuraterip match I'll re-rip and see if I get the same 
checksum for another rip. If so, I assume it's a good rip. If I don't get a 
match after one or two retries then I fire up EAC and let it do its best to get 
a good rip off the CD.



> To really, really know that you have the correct bits,
> you would have to have at least three separate CDs, and separate
> computer/CD combos, then extract it three times and use
> a computer "voting" scheme to tell which is right. Sometimes
> three is not enough, so you can use five sets, etc. The
> Nasa Space Shuttles use redundant computers this way.
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pfarrell Wrote: 
> To really, really know that you have the correct bits, you would have to
> have at least three separate CDs, and separate computer/CD combos, then
> extract it three times and use a computer "voting" scheme to tell which
> is right.
The hydrogenaudio instructions for EAC configuration that
street_samurai linked to above include Accurate Rip, which integrates
with EAC and uses a central database to accomplish that by pooling
checksums from rips performed by many different people. It isn't always
perfect-- varying manufacturing pressings of CDs can result in false
indications of a problem-- but it is pretty darn cool. (Like EAC and
Mp3tag, Accurate Rip is free.)

With that said, if Accurate Rip tells me there may have be a flaw in
the rip, I usually ignore it. If I hear a problem while listening at a
later time, I will go back and see about cleaning off the disk and
trying again. I have not yet heard any flaws during playback through my
SB2, though, even with one CD that had a substantial crack in it.


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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread ceejay


If I admit to having "Money Bought" by Nickelback in my collection, can
I be excused by pointing out that its my son's?

And yes, there are a lot of these! I think we might guess that there
would be even more with "love" in the title, but what other single word
would yield such a rich harvest?

Perhaps "love" and "money" are all we care about???

Ceejay.

[and yes I have noted there are some that combine both... "Can't buy me
love", "For the love of money"...]


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[slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread Munge


Thanks for the information. I realize that EAC is likely to give me
better data, but when you say that hifi cd players improvise when they
cannot recover from errors, then I am willing to accept improvisation
when I rip the very same CD. It shouldn't matter much unless the
ripping happens to be very unsuccessful.

/Munge


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[slim] Re: Some questions on Browse Music Folders

2005-09-21 Thread SlimPvC


If you are using Slimserver 6.2: there's a thread about the decision to
make Browse Music Folder use filenames instead of tags (check the Beta
folder on this forum). This was, as I understand,  chosen to make the
BMF work faster. 
Because I also use BMF as main navigation, I decided to rename all my
files in the Artist-Album-Track#-Title format. 
Which is not a perfect solution, because in BMS a lot of tracks only
show the artist and album because the filenames are too long to show
all. (BMF is the only place using filenames; Browse/Search artist etc.
work with the tag info)


Thread link: 
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=16455


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[slim] Browsing art covers


I was wondering, (hoping), there is a way to browse the cover art work
first by catagory. This would be VERY helpful. 

For example I have hundreds of classical cds and hundreds of
rock/alternative cds. It would be nice when I'm with my classical
friends to look through only the classical cds and vise versa.

Can this be done now? if not does that sound interesting to others?

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[slim] Advanced Search


I was going to file these as enhancment requests, but I'm not sure
anyone wants a bunch of dinky requests in bugzilla.

First, put _something_ on the screen when a search returns zero
results.

Give an option to return either tracks, albums, or artists (add
composers and others when they're added as search possibilities).  The
default should be to return tracks, but if I'm searching for an album,
then I may just want to see albums that match the search string listed.
Same with artists.

The "Clear" button shouldn't be labeled as such, since it doesn't clear
the search form except when the form was empty.  On subsequent searches,
with data in the form fields, it does a "Reset".  You could add a
"Clear" button, but it would need to reload the empty form by recalling
the page.

Display a count of results returned and/or number the items in the list
returned.

The file format choices should be compiled from the actual file formats
in the library.  If I have no 'Shorten' files, there's no need to show
it as an option.


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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread SlimPvC


And here are some more results of this simple query...too funny a
collection not to contribute them:

Bye
Peter

Beef - Cashin The Money * Last Rudy Standing * 2005 **  
Chuck Brown & the Soul Searchers - *We need some Money * Live '87
Double Album * 1987 **  
L.V. Johnson - Don't Cha Mess with My Money, My Honey, or My Woman *
Complete Stax/Volt Singles 1968-1971 - Disc 9 * 1993 **  
Reggae Regular - Don't let money rule your head * Ghetto Rock * 1984 **

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Easy Money * The Lyre Of Orpheus * 2004 ** 

King Cobb Steelie - Fast money blessing * Mayday * 2001 **  
Defunkt - For The Love Of Money * Thermonuclear Sweat * 1982 **  
The O´Jays - For The Love Of Money * Classic Funk Mastercuts volume 1 *
1992 **  
Space Cowboys - For the Love of Money * 1992 **  
Mongo Santamaria - Funny Money * Watermelon Man * 1962 **  
Mongo Santamaria - Get The Money * Watermelon Man * 1962 **  
Radio 4 - (Give Me All Your) Money * Stealing Of A Nation * 2004 **

John Martyn - Gun money * Well Kept Secret * 1982 **  
Ruth Davis - I Need Money * SuperFunk (2)  
James Brown - I've Got Money * Star Time - Disc 1 - Mr. Dynamite * 1991
**  
Herman Finkers - Ik heb geen money meer * Zijn minst beroerde liedjes  

Ben Neill - It's Only Money * Goldbug * 1998 **  
Gotcha! - Money * Gotcha! Gotcha! Gotcha! * 1993 **  
Orchestre Jazira - Money * Womad Talking Book Volume One: An
Introduction * 1985 **  
Easy Star All-Stars - Money featuring Gary "Nesta" Pine & Dollarman *
Dub Side Of The Moon * 2002 **  
Neotropic - Money for Old Rope * la prochaine fois * 2001 **  
Del tha Funkee Homosapien - Money For Sex * I Wish My Brother George
Was Here * 1991 **  
Culture - Money Girl * Culture at Work * 1986 **  
Dennis Brown - Money In My Pocket * Reggae Hit The Town 1968-1974 (CD2)
* 1993 **  
Dennis Brown - Money In My Pocket (2nd Version) * Uptown Top Ranking -
Joe Gibbs Reggae Productions 1970-78 * 1998 **   
Kraak En Smaak - Money In The Bag * Boogie Angst * 2005 **  
Little Richard - Money Is * Funk In Yo Face!  
Dan Boadi & The African Internationals - Money Is The Root Of Evil *
African Disco * 2003 **  
Pink Floyd - Money - Orb Remix  
Jimmy Witherspoon - Money's Getting Cheaper * Cool  
John Lee Hooker - Money (That's What I Want) * It Serves you right to
Suffer * 1966 **  
Barrett Strong - Money (That's What I Want) * Hitsville U.S.A. - The
Motown Singles Collection 1959-1971- Disc 1 * 1992 **  
Maytones & I Roy - Money Trouble * (12 inch)  
James Brown - Money Won't Change You * Star Time - Disc 2 - The Hardest
Working Man in Show Business * 1991 **  
Roman Stewart - Money Worries * Running Away from Love * 1978 **  
Ladysmith Black Mambazo - Nansi Imali (Here Is the Money) * The
Indestructible Beat of Soweto * 1990 **  
Brendan Croker & The Five O'clock Shadows - No Money At All * Brendan
Croker & The Five O'clock Shadows * 1989 **  
Holger Czukay - Oh Lord Give Us More Money * Movies * 1979 **  
The Dictators - Pussy And Money * D.F.F.D. * 2001 **  
Rose Royce - Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is * Car Wash - Original
SoundTrack * 1976 **  
Rose Royce - Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is * Car Wash - Original
Soundtrack * 1976 **  
Shaftman - Shaftman Gets Some Green Outta Tightwad & Heads Home With An
Asshole Fulla Money! * John Shaftman - Introducting A Bad Mutha .. *
2000 **  
Reuben Wilson - Tight Money * Free Soul Essential Argo / Cadet Grooves
Vol. 3  
Lee Perry - Too Much Money * From The Secret Laboratory * 1990 ** 

Holger Czukay - Where's The Money * Full Circle * 1982 **


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[slim] Re: Some questions on Browse Music Folders

2005-09-21 Thread ceejay


(1) suppressing ".lnk" ... I guess it would be easy enough to code, and
I agree it would look better.  The only possible catch is that you are
asking the program to treat a specific value of what is otherwise an
unrestricted string - the name of the link target - in a different way
from all the other possible values, which is slightly less than
elegant. 

(2)I'm not sure how you are guaranteeing that the order on disc is what
you think it is. By the order in which you create the folders? Sounds a
bit fragile to me. A backup and restore, for example, or even a copy
from one disc to another, could easily break this. Have you considered
instead putting the year at the beginning of the album folder name, eg
"1999 - Some Album" ?

Ceejay


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[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread Fifer


> I disagree with the people who claim that amateurs are the cream of the
> crop and are likely to produce better software than professionals.
I think the point was well made that many of the enthusiastic amateurs
working on open source projects are respected professionals giving for
free in their spare time. Never mind though, I'm sure someone can help
with the info you've provided.


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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread Pat Farrell

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 12:37 -0700, Munge wrote:
> I've got a hifi CD player with which I am happy. It doesn't
> retry 28 times and then delivers the sound, it gives me great sound at
> once. What is so different with the PC CD drive? 

Red Book audio (normal audio CD specs) is quite different than CD-ROM
(computer data) specs. Nearly nothing in common.

The RedBook spec specifically says what a player is supposed to do
when it gets an error that it can't recover. This is after a lot
of clever encoding and error correction is done. The players
basically "improvise" when they can't recover. Which is what
normal CD reading programs do on computers as well.

Now, in reality, the hifi CD player market is tiny or smaller,
and the computer CD/DVD market is everything. So nearly all
transports used, even in mega dollar audiophile CD players
are computer drives.

Try a different PC. Or a different drive.
Or both. Or try a different OS in your computer.

EAC is advertised as being very anal about getting exactly
what is on you CD. You don't have to use it, there are
other tools, just not so anal. There are switches to tell EAC to lighten
up if you want.

To really, really know that you have the correct bits,
you would have to have at least three separate CDs, and separate
computer/CD combos, then extract it three times and use
a computer "voting" scheme to tell which is right. Sometimes
three is not enough, so you can use five sets, etc. The
Nasa Space Shuttles use redundant computers this way.

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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread Hiroyuki Hamada


Munge,

I use Mac and naturally I use the iTunes.  I've never used EAC.  But  
my understanding is that the EAC (Exact Audio Copy!) can do better  
job of copying problematic CDs.  If I had a choice I'd go with EAC  
for that reason.  But, having said that I don't really notice  
anything wrong with iTunes ripped music... (there was one time when I  
tried to ripped a CD that had a crack and it just didn't do it  
right)  Also, I know that there are plenty of serious audiophiles out  
there using iTunes.


Do you see any physical damage on the particular CD you are trying to  
rip?  How does it do with the iTunes?


I'd like to hear firsthand accounts of using both iTunes/EAC.  Anybody?

Best,

Hiroyuki
On Sep 21, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Munge wrote:



Thanks for all good advice! I tried EAC with the seetings from
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=30959
The CD went back and forth for ages and then it said that there was an
error. No file created.
Look here, I've got a hifi CD player with which I am happy. It doesn't
retry 28 times and then delivers the sound, it gives me great sound at
once. What is so different with the PC CD drive? I never get any read
errors when I read a software CD. What's so special with ripping audio
CDs? I'm beginning to think that all this is mumbo jumbo. Please
explain why I need this EAC tool. Otherwise I will go for iTunes -->
WAV --> Flac Frontend --> Flac. At least it works and is easy to use.

Munge


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[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread Milhouse


keithleng Wrote: 
> Somebody took my reference to "enthusiastic amateurs" as an insult. It
> wasn't intended as that.

No kidding - you could have fooled me and most of this forum.

keithleng Wrote: 
> I disagree with the people who claim that amateurs are the cream of the
> crop and are likely to produce better software than professionals.

Nobody said that amateurs were the cream of the crop - you should
re-read the post that you have misquoted. The post actually suggested
that many open source supporters and developers are professional
programmers who maintain and contribute to open source projects as a
result of their passion for their chosen profession. Programmers who
are passionate about what they do are a rare breed and usually very
good - hence the "cream of the crop". Granted enthusiastic amateurs are
involved with open source as well - and a good thing too - but to
suggest that even amatuers are not up to snuff is offensive and
indicative of someone who hasn't a clue about what they speak.

An amateur or even professional coder could submit a poorly written
patch to an open source project, but due to the review process employed
by most of these projects the code will be improved before it is checked
in, ensuring that on the whole the quality of submissions is
maintained.

And over my almost 20 years in software development I've seen vast
quantities of poorly written software supposedly produced by
"professionals".

To be honest, "professional programmer" is an utterly meaningless
description as it simply describes someone who is paid to programme.
Your belief that such people will automatically produce good quality
software is misguided beyond belief as paid programmers are just as
capable of turning out garbage as any open source volunteer.

Anyway, this thread has seriously veered OT - nice hijack keithleng, if
you have a problem with your SB please open a new thread and people will
do their best to help you, provided you don't insult them any more. :)


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[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread MrC


keithleng Wrote: 
> Somebody took my reference to "enthusiastic amateurs" as an insult.

keithleng Wrote: 
> 
> ... very flakey. It is largely written by enthusiastic amateurs, and it
> shows.

Your choice of assessing the software as "very flakey" and linking that
assessment with "enthusiastic amateurs" leaves little room for
interpretive ambiguity.  Given that "amateur" means essentially either
"hobbyist" or "unskilled", you have essentially stated either that
hobbyists produce very flakey software, or you have called the Slim
team unskilled coders.

I'd suggest that certain words have emotional color, and that the
emotional response invoked differs depending on context.  In the
context of this thread, and within your own statement, the color was a
non-flattering one.


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[slim] Some questions on Browse Music Folders

2005-09-21 Thread JulianL


In another thread on this forum ("Artist/Artistsort tags not what is
really needed") I have been discussing the use of Browse Music Folders
to get round a problem I am having (thanks to eq72521 for pointing me
in that direction). I have two issues with Browse Music Folders that
I'd like to file bugs on but I thought I'd canvas opinion and advice
beforehand just in case I'm wasting time.

My first issue is that for various reasons I want to make extensive use
of shortcuts in my music folder. I've done some experiments on my
Windows XP system  and if I create a shortcut "Bowie, David" that
points to another directory with all my David Bowie albums in it then
Browse Music Folders sees this link OK and if I click on it it goes to
the directory with all the David Bowie albums in it. Basically it all
works perfectly but the only small iritation is that the link appears
in the Browse Music Folders listing (as viewed via the web interface or
via Telcanto client) as "David, Bowie.lnk". Am I correct in assuming
that filing a request to supress the ".lnk" would be pretty
uncontroversial? I am told that this doesn't appear when running on
Linux and it doesn't appear when browsing via the SB2 itself so I
assume it would be a bit of a no-brainer to supress it in the web
interface as well. Can anyone think of any issues with doing this?

My second issue with Browse Music Folders is that once I get down to a
directory with all the artist's album sub directories in it then they
are displayed in alphabetical order (the albums are each in their own
subdirectory that is named as just the title of the album). On my PC I
have taken great care to order the subdirectories so that they are in
album chronological order. Is there any good reason why SlimServer
sorts them into alphabetical order? It would be far more flexible if it
could retain the order in which they have been laid out on disk. If you
want them in alphabetical order then you can always just sort each
directory in windows using "Arrange Icons by Name". Is there some
reason why SlimServer can't get the information to retain the original
on-disk ordering of the subdirectories?

- Julian


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[slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread Munge


Thanks for all good advice! I tried EAC with the seetings from
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=30959
The CD went back and forth for ages and then it said that there was an
error. No file created.
Look here, I've got a hifi CD player with which I am happy. It doesn't
retry 28 times and then delivers the sound, it gives me great sound at
once. What is so different with the PC CD drive? I never get any read
errors when I read a software CD. What's so special with ripping audio
CDs? I'm beginning to think that all this is mumbo jumbo. Please
explain why I need this EAC tool. Otherwise I will go for iTunes -->
WAV --> Flac Frontend --> Flac. At least it works and is easy to use.

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[slim] Re: Artist/Artistsort tags not what is really needed

2005-09-21 Thread JulianL


Thanks for that. I'm just about to start another thread relating to my
Browse Music Folders issues because they might not be insurmountable.

- Julian


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[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread keithleng


Somebody took my reference to "enthusiastic amateurs" as an insult. It
wasn't intended as that. I've asked for help here before and received
it. It seems to me to be a friendly community of people who enjoy
working with the SB. I disagree with the people who claim that amateurs
are the cream of the crop and are likely to produce better software than
professionals.

Again, I'm not trying to insult people here. I'm coming at this from a
different angle to most. I'm not the least interested in getting into
debugging the code or faffing around with techie stuff. That's my day
job. I simply want the SB to do what it says on the tin.

For the record, the situation I often encounter is that, at the least
provocation, slim.exe will start using 90-odd percent of the CPU and
stay that way. Eventually it will start to stutter. Stopping and
starting it sometimes fixes it; sometimes a machine reboot is needed.

The type of event that triggers this behaviour seems very varied:
stopping and staring a firewall, starting a download on another machine
on the network, receiving an e-mail, or, sometimes, nothing at all.

I've used SB1 and SB2 on various flavours of linux and windows and on
many different combinations of hardware. I've never had a settled
system and it just gets very wearisome when all I want to do is listen
to some music.


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RE: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread Simon @ Home

> After a period of research and experimentation, I settled on 
> EAC (for ripping and tagging, including retrieving tag data 
> from freedb) and Mp3tag (for massaging/correcting tags and, 
> occasionally, file names).
> Notwithstanding the time spent learning some of the ins and 
> outs of EAC and configuring it (roughly like in the 
> hydrogenaudio forum link a couple of posts above in this 
> thread), the combination of these two pieces of software has 
> been meeting my needs well. I'd categorize EAC as technically 
> impressive, and Mp3tag as simply a pleasure from the first moment.

I'm just going to have to second this as, after lots of trying various
stuff, this is what I settled on and once set up it's just a breeze.

Although I'm not sure I like agreeing with a bloke called arse.

Simon Turner
Barcombe UK

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[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...


MrC Wrote: 
> I cringe even more when someone with 25 years the software biz doesn't
> know the difference between a pearl and Perl!  :-)

:o Oops.  Anyway I came to believe it was the garbage collection that
made it so difficult to duplicate some of the bugs we had.  SS
obviously has some talented people to thank for it's capabilities.  And
I do to.  Thanks.

Regards,
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[slim] Re: Mount SB2 upside down - rotate display text

2005-09-21 Thread m1abrams


gonk Wrote: 
> m1abrams: 
> 
> I have a pair of Sonance Virtuoso 830DR in-ceiling speakers mounted in
> the ceiling (where otherwise?) just above the kitchen table.
> 
> And of course you have right regarding my decision of turning the SB2
> uside-down. I can also add that in the unlikely event that I would use
> my SB2 somewhere else, in a more normal way, I will not have two large
> holes on the top... 
> 
> I would suggest that Slimdevices add keyholes in a similar way I have
> done them and include a "rotate display" function in the software.

Well I like your setup and keyholes would be a nice addition.  However
they did include a "rotate display" function, just its a hardware
implementation not software (they provided enough cable slack :) ).


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[slim] Re: How to use FLAC?


After a period of research and experimentation, I settled on EAC (for
ripping and tagging, including retrieving tag data from freedb) and
Mp3tag (for massaging/correcting tags and, occasionally, file names).
Notwithstanding the time spent learning some of the ins and outs of EAC
and configuring it (roughly like in the hydrogenaudio forum link a
couple of posts above in this thread), the combination of these two
pieces of software has been meeting my needs well. I'd categorize EAC
as technically impressive, and Mp3tag as simply a pleasure from the
first moment.


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[slim] Re: Mount SB2 upside down - rotate display text

2005-09-21 Thread gonk


m1abrams: 

I have a pair of Sonance Virtuoso 830DR in-ceiling speakers mounted in
the ceiling (where otherwise?) just above the kitchen table.

And of course you have right regarding my decision of turning the SB2
uside-down. I can also add that in the unlikely event that I would use
my SB2 somewhere else, in a more normal way, I will not have two large
holes on the top... 

I would suggest that Slimdevices add keyholes in a similar way I have
done them and include a "rotate display" function in the software.


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Re: [slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread Josef Shvejk

>I plan to use an old Thinkpad 240 (300 MHz, 128 MB RAM, W2K) for the server.
 
If this is a slimserver dedicated PC, then I would definitely recommend SlimCD instead of W2K.
Works much better with low specs. W2K is a dog with 128 MB of RAM.
.
http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.p...&kategorie=slim
.
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[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread MrC


Music Machine Wrote: 
> I have worked in software development for more than 25 years
> 
> ...
> 
> Pearl sure gets you down the road in a hurry, but after a while you
> wish you had better debugging tools to use.  For that reason (as a
> development manager) I would cringe when I saw pearl in a critical
> application.

I cringe even more when someone with 25 years the software biz doesn't
know the difference between a pearl and Perl!  :-)


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[slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread Fifer


I've ripped over 400 albums with Easy CDDA and have yet to hear a pop,
click or any other unwanted artefact.


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[slim] Re: new musicmagic 1.1.6

2005-09-21 Thread Patrick Dixon


How is MM on Linux these days?  I gave up on it a while back because it
seemed to be not quite there - is it time to try it out again?


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Re: [slim] Re: Displaying album artwork only partially works

Quoting nico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> Tried the latest nightly, [SlimServer Version: 6.2b1 - 4372 - solaris -
> EN - iso-8859-1].
>
> Same results on the Browse By Artwork page (ie, only artwork embedded
> in mp3's), and a step backwards: now no image files display in any of
> the other browsing modes.
>
> Seems the %ALBUM_ARTIST substitution is not working. d_artwork output:

looks like the underscore is a problem.  Using hypen, or some other separator
seems to work ok.

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[slim] Re: How to use FLAC?

2005-09-21 Thread street_samurai


If you are interested in using EAC which is generally considered to be
the best ripper out there (but also one of the more complicated to get
setup). Check out this guide on how to get it all setup:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=30959

If you are not worried about the odd pop or click, or if you feel that
the guide is too technical, I'd suggest checking out one of the other
rippers suggested previously in this topic.

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[slim] Re: new musicmagic 1.1.6

2005-09-21 Thread Dave


On my machine, both startup of MMM and mixing from slimserver-interface
seems to be much faster!


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[slim] Re: Artist/Artistsort tags not what is really needed

2005-09-21 Thread eq72521


JulianL Wrote: 
> Oooh. That's a very very interesting suggestion. You're lucky you didn't
> go the Artistsort route because as you can see from my initial post,
> that would have taken you straight back to your "initially dismayed"
> state which is where I'm at now.
> 
> I have 2 problems at the moment with going the "Browse Music Folder"
> route but maybe they can both be resolved. My issues with browsing
> music folders are:
> 
> 1) (This one is nothing to do with Slim Devices but I'll list it for
> completeness.) I am using the Telcanto client and for some reason it
> doesn't display the "folder.jpg" album cover art when browsing by music
> folder. Hopefully when I report this it will be fixed because the native
> Slim Server web interface shows the cover art OK and Telcanto shows it
> OK when browsing by artist.
> 
> 2) After much deliberation I adopted a directory structure on my PC
> of:
> 
> FLAC\Artist_\\\
> 
> Unfortunately this means that when I browse by music folder I get an
> extra level of directory structure that I deliberately introduced so as
> to keep my disk files organised, i.e. the 26 
> directories, but when browsing I don't want this division and just want
> to scroll smoothly from the As to the Bs to the Cs all in one flat
> list.
> 
> I just tried a quick experiment on my PC with shortcuts. I created a
> shortcut at the "FLAC\..." level by creating a "FLAC\Bowie, David"
> shortcut that points to my "FLAC\Artists_B\Bowie, David" directory.
> This pretty much works in SlimServer in that browse by music folder
> does see the "Bowie, David" as a clickable link under "FLAC" and when I
> click on it it takes me to the contents of the "FLAC\Artists_B\Bowie,
> David" directory, i.e. the list of the David Bowie albums. This means
> that I could apply an "alternative view" on my current directory
> structure by creating a very top level "J:\Music" folder that just
> contains shortcuts to each of my individual artist directories and
> point SlimServer at this directory as the root music folder. This way I
> can still keep my FLAC files manageably (to me) split into 
> directories but create a flat artist namespace for SlimServer (although
> I haven't checked yet whether the SlimServer scan will follow the links
> when it's compiling its tag database).
> 
> My remaining issues with the above are:
> 
> 1) Will the SlimServer scan correctly follow shortcuts?
> 
> 2) There is one annoying thing where, when browsing by music folder,
> SlimServer (and hence Telcanto too) displays the shortcut as "Bowie,
> David.lnk" rather than just "Bowie, David". I guess I should file this
> as a bug.
> 
> 3) The album directories are sorted alphabetically so I loose the
> chronological ordering that I'd so carefully created using Albumsort
> tags. I really don't want to mess up the naming of my Album directories
> by prefixing the directory name with a year. This last issue is probably
> the show stopper for me.
> 
> So, after some debate (most of which you just witnessed above!) I think
> I'm back to filing the request for encancement and hoping I can get a
> feature whereby the Artistsort tag value can be used instead of the
> Artist value where appropriate for the list views (which does make a
> huge amount of sense, if SlimServer is delivering a list that has been
> sorted using Albumsort substitutions then surely it makes sense to have
> an option for the labeling of that list to reflect the labels used to
> sort it). This week has been a bit of a nightmare work-wise so I really
> wil try to file the request in Bugzilla this weekend.
> 
> - Julian.

I can't help with the Albums being sorted incorrectly of course. 
They're like that for me too right now.  It's annoying, but I deal with
it for now.  I also don't feel like renaming all the album directories
as "-MM-DD ".

As that's a show stopper, discussing the other issue probably doesn't
matter, but I will anyway.  While I don't file into 26 separate
directories by the first artist letter, I do have everything filed into
three directories because my collection spans three drives (a 160G and
two 120G).  I'm running my server on FreeBSD, and my "music" folder is
actually just a series of soft links, one for each artist, to the real
artist directory.  As you found, a similar strategy can probably be
used on Windows with links.  I think that the scan will follow the
shortcuts, as I've seen in the past discussion of issues arising from
having circular links set up, I think accidentally (don't do it!).  I
can't speak to the irritating ".lnk" showing up when browsing links;
I'll keep that in mind as a further reason to stay away from Windows.


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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money


PAUL WILLIAMSON Wrote: 
> >>> simon (AT) brighton (DOT) co.uk 09/21/05 12:43 PM >>>
> > I think he's probably got enough to fill a CD now.
> > 
> > Simon
> > Barcombe UK
> 
> I think I do!  Thanks everyone.  I'll be hitting the used 
> CD store tonight looking for lots of this music.
> 
> This list rocks...Holy mackerel, I never realized how many 
> songs had money in their title.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul


LOL

We can't stop!

You guys just searched your song titles.
I didn't see "Can't buy me Love".

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[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...


Ask for help or go away.  Whining is a waste.  Follow CavesOfTQLT
example if you want to improve your situation.

Slimserver works quite well for me on a lowly PIII 800mhz with W2K. 
Maybe because I only have ~4000 tracks so far.  Wired network :)

Of course there are software "issues".  I have worked in software
development for more than 25 years and have never, ever, seen a
non-trivial program that didn't have bugs.  Can the whiners recommend
anything that comes close to SS functionality, costs less, more stable,
better support, adds features more often, supports more platforms.  I
know the Roku people can't.

If a company tried to fund an effort to create a program that would
better the features, functions, cross platform support, and vigor of
SS, they would not sell enough to pay the bills.  They would disappear,
and you would be stuck if you bought in.

Regards,
Music Machine

PS
Pearl sure gets you down the road in a hurry, but after a while you
wish you had better debugging tools to use.  For that reason (as a
development manager) I would cringe when I saw pearl in a critical
application.  Regular expression libraries written in C provide robust,
REPEATABLE results.  Of course, with a commitment to cross platform
operation there are many difficult decisions to make.


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RE: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread PAUL WILLIAMSON

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/21/05 12:43 PM >>>
> I think he's probably got enough to fill a CD now.
> 
> Simon
> Barcombe UK

I think I do!  Thanks everyone.  I'll be hitting the used 
CD store tonight looking for lots of this music.

This list rocks...Holy mackerel, I never realized how many 
songs had money in their title.  

Thanks,
Paul



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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread max . spicer


No attempt to remove duplicates, I'm afraid.

6. 'Jigs: Bryan O'Lynn - The Hag with the Money' by Steeleye Span from
'A Stack of Steeleye Span'
2. 'Money For Nothing' by Dire Straits from 'Brothers In Arms'
20. 'Programme Three: Frank Skinner On Money Box' by Dead Ringers from
'Dead Ringers - Series 2 Part 1 [2/2]'
30. 'Programme Two: Moneybags Live' by Dead Ringers from 'Dead Ringers
- Series 2 Part 1 [1/2]'
8. 'Take The Money And Run' by Juliet Turner from 'Burn The Black
Suit'
6. 'This Money's Yours' by Alain Boublil & Claude-Michel Schönberg from
'Miss Saigon - Original London Cast Recording (1/1)'

Max


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[slim] Re: pops between tracks

2005-09-21 Thread jwgraves


I have all wma files that are converted to mp3 files (via Lame) when
streamed and I get a pop/click in between each song also.  My
slimserver runs on linux, so the only way to play the wma files is to
have them  converted to ffmpeg first and have the output piped to lame
so that the stream is played as mp3.   I just got used to it, although
I'd love to figure out how to get rid of it.


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RE: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread Simon @ Home

I think he's probably got enough to fill a CD now.

Simon
Barcombe UK

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RE: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread Chris Brooking

A few I haven't seen mentioned:

All 'Bout The Money (Meja)
Black Money (Culture Club)
For The Love Of The Money (Troop Levert ft. Queen Latifah)
Money (Barrett Strong)
Money Can't Buy It (Annie Lennox)
Money Honey (Ink Spots)
Money Maker (A Tribe Called Quest)
Money's Too Tight To Mention (Simply Red)
Opportunities (Let's Make Lots Of Money) Pet Shop Boys
A Spell (For Money) (Blur)
We're In The Money (Bing Crosby)
You Stole My Money Honey (Stereophonics)

Good to see so many mentions of the Beatles track from Abbey Road - such
good taste :)

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Pardon the interruption, but this is probably 
the best group to ask this question of...

I need songs that have the word "Money" somewhere 
within the lyrics.  I just got asked this morning to make 
up a CD filled with them.  The only problem is, I can 
only think of a few songs:

"Money" by Pink Floyd
"Take the Money and Run" by The Steve Miller Band
"Money for Nothing" by Dire Straits
"Mo Money Mo Problems" by Notorious B.I.G.
"Money, Money, Money" by Abba
"It's Money That Matters" by Randy Newman
"No Money No Honey" by Beck
"Money" by Yes

Questionable:
"The Money Song" by Monty Python

This is what I've got from slimserver on my box.
The CD is for a homecoming "themed" class 
activity, and I think these songs are ok for 
high school kids, I just need more of them.

Thanks,
Paul

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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread snarlydwarf


I don't think these are repeats

Money Changes Everything (Daryl Hall) from Soul Alone

Illuminator (L.A. Money Train) (Rollins Band) from Get Some Go Again

Easy Money (King Crimson) from Larks' Tongues in Aspic

Did You Steal My Money (The Who 1981) from Face Dances


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RE: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread Ben Gladstone

paul, try http://www.lyricsfreak.com/ where you can search the titles.
they link to other sites where lyrics may be searchable

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> Subject: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money
> 
> Pardon the interruption, but this is probably the best group 
> to ask this question of...
> 
> I need songs that have the word "Money" somewhere within the 
> lyrics.  I just got asked this morning to make up a CD filled 
> with them.  The only problem is, I can only think of a few songs:
> 
> "Money" by Pink Floyd
> "Take the Money and Run" by The Steve Miller Band "Money for 
> Nothing" by Dire Straits "Mo Money Mo Problems" by Notorious B.I.G.
> "Money, Money, Money" by Abba
> "It's Money That Matters" by Randy Newman "No Money No Honey" 
> by Beck "Money" by Yes
> 
> Questionable:
> "The Money Song" by Monty Python
> 
> This is what I've got from slimserver on my box.
> The CD is for a homecoming "themed" class activity, and I 
> think these songs are ok for high school kids, I just need 
> more of them.
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul
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[slim] Re: duplication (Apple dot-files)

2005-09-21 Thread hardhead


This problem is fixed in the 6.2 nightly builds.


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[slim] Re: CLI crashing slimserver (6.1.1 + 6.2 nightlies)

2005-09-21 Thread hardhead


Hi--I am also having the same problem and have submitted a bug to
SlimDevices:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2158


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[slim] Re: SlimServer not picking up all songs

2005-09-21 Thread nicheplayer


Is it already possible?

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15539&highlight=itunes+playlists


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Re: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread Allan Hise



On 21 Sep 2005, at 17:39 , Marc Sherman wrote:


PAUL WILLIAMSON wrote:

I need songs that have the word "Money" somewhere within the  
lyrics.  I just got asked this morning to make up a CD filled with  
them.  The only problem is, I can only think of a few songs:




"Send Money" by Juliana Hatfield
"Shitloads of Money" by Liz Phair
"Send Me Your Money" Suicidal Tendencies
"Murder for the Money" by Morphine
"Easy Money" By Nick Cabe 6 The Bad Seeds
"Big Money" by Big Black
"Money Drunk" and "Where's the Money" by Cop Shoot Cop
"Time is Money" by Frank Zappa
"Burn Your MOney" by Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper
"Urine, The Money" by Milk Cult
"More MOney Tonight" by the Violent Femmes
"Gimme Some Money" by Spinal Tap

Money related, but maybe not the exact words:
"Just Got Paid" (My version is a cover by Rapeman, I think ZZ Top and  
others did it too"

"Cash on Delivery" by Spinal Tap
"Geld" (the german word for money" bz Die Ärzte
"400 Bucks" by the reverend Horton Heat
"Dollar Signs in her eyes" by the dead milkmen
"Give Me a Dollar" by King Missile
"Dollar" by Rocket From the Crypt
"Dollar Bill" by Screaming Trees
"$10 Bill" by Cop Shoot Cop
"$300" by Soul Coughing
"If I Had $100" by Barenaked Ladies
"I spent my last $10 on birth control and beer" by Two Nice Girls

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Re: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread Marc Sherman


PAUL WILLIAMSON wrote:




I need songs that have the word "Money" somewhere within the lyrics.  
I just got asked this morning to make up a CD filled with them.  The 
only problem is, I can only think of a few songs:


Marc Sherman wrote:


./S/Sloan/1999-4 Nights At The Palais Royale/21-Money City Maniacs.mp3
./S/Sloan/1998-Navy Blues/06-Money City Maniacs.mp3
./B/Beatles/1969-Abbey Road/09-You Never Give Me Your Money.mp3
./D/David Bowie/1979-Lodger/10-Red Money.mp3
./E/Elvis Costello/1979-Armed Forces/Bonus/16-Clean Money.mp3
./P/Pink Floyd/1973-The Dark Side Of The Moon/05-Money.mp3


Two more, if conceptual links are ok:

./D/Dead Milkmen/1990-Metaphysical Graffiti/08-Dollar Signs In Her Eyes.mp3
./R/Radiohead/2001-Amnesiac/08-Dollars And Cents.mp3

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Re: [slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread Marc Sherman


Allan Hise wrote:


If I remember correctly, back from when I worked on WLAN hardware, 
channel 14 (the highest channel in 802.11 b/g) is for Japan only.


What do the high channels conflict with in North America?

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Re: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread Marc Sherman


PAUL WILLIAMSON wrote:


I need songs that have the word "Money" somewhere 
within the lyrics.  I just got asked this morning to make 
up a CD filled with them.  The only problem is, I can 
only think of a few songs:


./S/Sloan/1999-4 Nights At The Palais Royale/21-Money City Maniacs.mp3
./S/Sloan/1998-Navy Blues/06-Money City Maniacs.mp3
./B/Beatles/1969-Abbey Road/09-You Never Give Me Your Money.mp3
./D/David Bowie/1979-Lodger/10-Red Money.mp3
./E/Elvis Costello/1979-Armed Forces/Bonus/16-Clean Money.mp3
./P/Pink Floyd/1973-The Dark Side Of The Moon/05-Money.mp3

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Re: [slim] Re: SlimServer not picking up all songs

2005-09-21 Thread ron thigpen


nicheplayer wrote:

I haven't looked lately, but you'd think there'd
be a way to save those iTunes playlists in a place where the slimserver
could get to them even if you aren't using iTunes to organize your slim
directory.


seems like an opportunity to write a useful utility.

call it something like "iTunesPlaylistExport".  it would parse the 
iTunes library XML file, parse out the playlists, convert to m3u (and/or 
other formats), and save the result to a file in a designated directory. 
 like, for instance, the SlimServer playlist directory.


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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread Dave


There you go:

(my votes go to Moneytalks form AC/DC... awesome!!)

Blues Brothers and Friends - All My Money Back (1997) from Live From
Chicago's House of Blues
Beef - Cashin' the Money (2005) from Last Rudy standing
Stereophonics - Everyday I Think of Money (2000) from Just Enough
Education to Perform
Stereophonics - Everyday I Think of Money (2001) from Accoustic Session

Various - Flying Lizards - Money (2000) from The Best Punk Album in the
World (Disc 2)
Ben Folds Five - I Paid My Money (1998) from Fear of Pop Volume I  

Supergrass - In It For The Money (2000) from In It For The Money   

Meat Loaf - Life Is A Lemon And I Want My Money Back (Remix) (1998)
from The Very Best Of Meat Loaf CD1
Gotcha! - Money (1993) from Gotcha! Gotcha! Gotcha!
Beatles - Money (1963) from With the Beatles
Pink Floyd - Money (1973) from Dark Side of the Moon
Dire Straits - Money For Nothing (1995) from Money for nothing
Extreme - Money (In God We Trust) (1990) from Pornograffitti
Various - Money Mark - Hand In Your Head (2000) from Pias Audiology Of
15 Years Vol
Various - Money Mark - Hand In Your Head (2000) from Oorgasm 2
Daryll-Ann - Money Or Love (1999) from Happy traum
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Money Rock 'n' Roll (2000) from Plastic
Fang
Blues Brothers and Friends - Money (That's What I Want) (1997) from
Live From Chicago's House of Blues
AC/DC - Moneytalks (1992) from AC/DC Live (Disc 1)
AC/DC - Moneytalks (1990) from The Razors Edge
Morphine - Murder for the Money (1997) from Like Swimming
Steve Miller Band - Take The Money And Run (1998) from Greatest Hits
(Remastered)
Chitlin' Fooks - Take The Money & Run (2002) from Did It Again
AC/DC - What Do You Do For Money Honey (1980) from Back In Black   

Various - Will.I.Am of the Black Eyed Peas - Money (2004) from Future
Soundtrack For America
Beatles - You Never Give Me Your Money (1969) from Abbey Road
Stereophonics - You Stole My Money Honey from You Gotta Go There To
Come Back


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Re: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread Kevin O. Lepard


ABBA - Money, Money, Money
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[slim] Re: Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread davep


Easy Money - Rickie Lee Jones (or the remake by Lowell George).

davep


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RE: [slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread Dan Goodinson

Seconded regards sticking up for Windows

My fileserver is a Win2k Pro box.  I've had it running 24x7 for a nearly
a year now, and it's been pretty much fine.  There have been the
occasional problem with the OS which has required a reboot, but it has
been a very long time since I've actually had to go out to the server
location and flick the switch to bring it back.  

My experience (from working in a tech Support environment) has always
been that Windows can be a bit crazy at times, and sometimes it has
errors that you just have to put down to Windows "magic".  But my
personal experience, with SS on my home server, does not reflect this.
Like I said, I can't remember the last time I had to restart either SS
or the Windows box.  Several weeks ago at the very least - probably more
like a couple of months ago.

>>
PS 
Pls. ignore the stupid massive disclaimer that is automatically added to
this e-mail. 
<<

And dude - that is a crazy disclaimer :)  That should win some sort of
literature award :) :)


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I think someone should speak up for the windows platform.. 
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[slim] Re: new musicmagic 1.1.6

2005-09-21 Thread davep


Working for me so far on Linux.  Not a lot of new features as far as I
can see although there is a useful new switch to limit the frequency of
re-occurrance of any one artist in a mix, something I had found a little
irritating in previous versions.

Seems like the windows version still has more additional functionality
than linux - or maybe I can't find some things.

davep


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Re: [slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread Kevin O. Lepard


On Wed, September 21, 2005 7:35 am, keithleng said:

 The truth of the matter is that the squeezebox software is, and always
 has been, very flakey. It is largely written by enthusiastic amateurs,
 and it shows.


Well, this is one way to make those enthusiastic "amateurs" a lot less
enthusiastic.  You really should make sure to understand open source
before making such statements.  For one, most of those "amateur"
contributors are actually professional software developers (like myself)
who happen to be passionate about software development.  In fact, it is
often the case that developers who contribute to open source are really
the cream of the crop, because of that very enthusiasm you mention.
Furthermore, it has been shown in some studies that open source code
generally has fewer bugs (i.e. higher quality) than "professional"
commercial code.

None if this is to say that SlimServer is perfect or bug free, but your
comment "It is largely written by enthusiastic amateurs, and it shows."
smacks of insult and of ignorance of how open source development and
software development in general really works.  I'll take those
enthusiastic "amateurs" over the supposed "professionals" I've worked with
over the years any day.


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Re: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money

2005-09-21 Thread Dave Dewey

Quoting Alex Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> On Wednesday 21 September 2005 12:58, PAUL WILLIAMSON wrote:
> > Pardon the interruption, but this is probably
> > the best group to ask this question of...
> >
> > I need songs that have the word "Money" somewhere
> > within the lyrics.  I just got asked this morning to make
> > up a CD filled with them.  The only problem is, I can
> > only think of a few songs:

Buzzcocks -- A Different Kind Of Tension - Money
Marah -- Kids In Philly - It's Only Money, Tyrone
Paul_Westerberg -- Grandpaboy -- I Want My Money Back
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Re: [slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread dean blackketter



On Sep 21, 2005, at 4:35 AM, keithleng wrote:

The truth of the matter is that the squeezebox software is, and always
has been, very flakey. It is largely written by enthusiastic amateurs,
and it shows.

No offense taken.


I bought my first one a couple of years ago, ran into all sorts of
problems and stopped using it. I recently decided to give it another
try and bought a Squeezebox 2. I'm in a different city, using a
different ISP, computer, router, and operating system from when I had
the first SB. And I'm still getting lots of problems.
Keith, I'd love to hear specifics about your issues.  If they are  
related to the details in this thread, then it's likely a wireless  
interference issue, which there's very little the professional  
software team here at Slim Devices can do about.



If you can give it a dedicated system, with nothing else running, and
no competition for bandwidth, it now seems mostly okay. If you can't
give it that level of resource, then, in my experience, you're  
going to

have constant, recurrent hassle.

Can you be more specific?

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Re: [slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread ron thigpen


Music Machine wrote:

Have to agree about the Belkin curse.  Also if you ordered a d-link just
smash it when you get it.  Don't wait to go crazy first and then smash
it.


i'm using a d-link product that has been stable and fast for many 
months.  granted they've had their share of problems with getting 
products out too fast, and the resulting firmware quality issues.  but, 
AFAICT, it's no worse than for any other provider.


a good basic strategy for buying this equipment is to avoid new models 
until they have some kind of track record, and to keep an eye on the 
hardware forums at Broadband Reports or elsewhere to identify the good 
firmware revs.




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RE: [slim] Re: pops between tracks

2005-09-21 Thread Philip Bouscarle

Radish, thanks a lot for trying to help out. I am going to try fiddling
with bitrate limiting tonight to see whether that has any effect. 

Just to clarify one point - .m4a = AAC, so if I turn on bitrate limiting
it will use LAME to convert the AAC to MP3, won't it?

Funny thing is, I have actually got used to the pops now. Hope I don't
miss them when I get rid of them!

Philip 

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Subject: [slim] Re: pops between tracks


Sorry - PCM is WAV, it's just a slightly more accurate term for "totally
uncompressed". If you have an SB1 that only actually plays MP3 and PCM,
so the file must be being transcoded on the server. If you have bitrate
limiting disabled then it will use PCM. I only ask because that
determines what apps are under suspicion - in this case not LAME (the
MP3 encoder). 

However this is about where my debugging expertise runs out for this
kind of problem...hopefully someone else will chime in :)


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[slim] Re: "no album"

2005-09-21 Thread maxman


ok thnx I did just that.


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Re: [slim] Totally OT - Songs about money


PAUL WILLIAMSON wrote:

Pardon the interruption, but this is probably 
the best group to ask this question of...


I need songs that have the word "Money" somewhere 
within the lyrics.  I just got asked this morning to make 
up a CD filled with them.  The only problem is, I can 
only think of a few songs:
 



Searching my library for songs titled with money:

Burn Your Money! (Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper, Root Hog or Die)
Clean Money (Elvis Costello & The Attractions, Armed Forces)
Easy Money (King Crimson, Lark's Tongues In Aspic)
Lawyers, Guns, and Money (Warren Zevon)
Money Go Round, Parts 1 and 2 (The Style Council, The Singular Adventures)
Money Hair (Looper, The Geometrid)
Money, Money, Money (ABBA, Gold)
Pay Me My Money Down (Dan Zanes, Night Time (kid music))
'Til The Money Runs Out (Tom Waits, Heartattack and Vine)
You Never Give Me Your Money (Beatles, Abbey Road)

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so across the Western ocean I must wander." -- All for Me Grog, trad.


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[slim] Re: pops between tracks

2005-09-21 Thread radish


Sorry - PCM is WAV, it's just a slightly more accurate term for "totally
uncompressed". If you have an SB1 that only actually plays MP3 and PCM,
so the file must be being transcoded on the server. If you have bitrate
limiting disabled then it will use PCM. I only ask because that
determines what apps are under suspicion - in this case not LAME (the
MP3 encoder). 

However this is about where my debugging expertise runs out for this
kind of problem...hopefully someone else will chime in :)


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Re: [slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread PAUL WILLIAMSON

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/21/05 9:40 AM >>>
> The truth of the matter is that the squeezebox software is, and
> always has been, very flakey.

Been running on various machines for about 2 years.  Very few 
problems.  None in the last 18 months that prevented music from 
playing.

> If you can give it a dedicated system, with nothing else running, 
> and no competition for bandwidth, it now seems mostly okay. If 
> you can't give it that level of resource, then, in my experience, 
> you're going to have constant, recurrent hassle.

Like you said, in your experience.  In my experience, I've got a 
low-end celeron 2.2ghz box running not only slimserver, but Asterisk, 
MythTV, Big Brother, RRDTool, and a few other smaller apps.  
Plus it functions as my squid proxy, bind, samba and cups 
servers and I still have an uptime of 150+ days.  If I didn't have to 
power it down to put it on my UPS, it would have been up to 
about 400 days by now.

Then again, I do unix sys admin at work, and my box runs like 
a top at home with my kids using it for the occasional game of 
tux racer too.

I don't think I'd ever use windows to run slimserver, although.
YMMV.  And I've never tried wireless.  That seems to be the 
cause of most of the problems.

Paul

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RE: [slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

2005-09-21 Thread Bennett, Gavin (LDN Int)

Title: RE: [slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...

I think someone should speak up for the windows platform..

Until recently I ran two Slimp3 (the original!) and 1 SoftSqueeze against an old Ahtlon 800Mhz running Windows XP and 10,000 tracks.

It ran for months at a time - normaly the only time I shut it down is when I go on holiday.
Everything pounded away quite nicely. My kitchen Slimp3 has the RSS ticker running whenever it is not playing music and runs 24x7.

Now I have upgraded the server (3.2Ghz P4 + stupid amount of RAM) - this was to speed up "Browse Music Folder" and be ready for new home projects. Ver 6.x is starting to resolve the "Browse Music Folder" performance.

I have since added an SB2 as well.

The system is very stable - I have managed to crash it once in the last 3 months. `

Some important points:
1. I do not use WiFi.
When I bought my house 7 years ago I decided to cable each room. As each room is renovated I put CAT5, UHF, SVIDEO and Stereo cables in. I still have a long way to go.

2. I only ever run the production release - never the development versions
I also normaly wait 2 weeks after a new release just incase any problems are found and fixed.

3. Using suggestions from www.teakxp.com I have turned off everything I could on the server
4. the hardware is solid. I soak test any machines I build for 72 hours before putting them into a "production" role. Research for good robust drivers is worth every second of time spent.

Windows has some major bad points but if done carefuly can very succesful. My next project is too add Exchange Server, Outlook Web Access and a HTTPS web site to the slimp3 server - it has plenty of capacity to run these as well.

Everytime I think about switching to Linux I think it is more hassel than its worth so I stick with windows.

To me SlimServer is amazing for free s/w - SlimDevices have never let me down and I wish more companies behaved as they did.

Gavin
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[slim] Re: Tracks shuffled

2005-09-21 Thread radish


Robin Edwards Wrote: 
> Hi,
> Where am I going wrong, perhaps somebody can help.  I used to use
> browse 
> music folder regularly to play albums but recently (not sure how 
> recently) the behaviour has changed.  No matter what I do I cannot get
> 
> tracks to play in the order they are on the CD.  This behaviour is the
> 
> same for my SB2 and my Slimp3s.  I'm getting alot of grief from the 
> family when they play things like Phantom of the Opera, its easier to 
> tolerate with most CDs but I'd really like to correct it.  I've tried 
> messing with shuffle to no avail.
> regards, robin
Browse music folder sorts alphabetically on filename, so if you have
track numbers at the start of the file name it will work, otherwise it
won't. Assuming your files are properly tagged I strongly recommend
using the "real" browse methods, as they will behave more predictably.


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