Re: [slim] Is Slimserver sustainable as Open Source?
Balthazar_B wrote: > Going back to the first message in this thread (and others similar to > it), I think the root issue underlying whatever frustration > users/customers are feeling is not really open vs. closed source. > Rather, it generally comes down to performance (i.e., perceived lack > of) and/or bugs (usually real, rarely imagined). As many have > mentioned, better development processes/control (incl. regression > testing, etc.) would help address the latter. The former is more > difficult, and perhaps a large portion of performance issues come down > to the code base. There may be certain operations that PERL, PHP, > etc., may never be able to perform as efficiently as C dialects or > other compiled programming languages. > Perl is a compiled language. It's compiled when you start the program. There's no reason a Perl program can't be lightning fast. I have Perl programs processing thousands of users at a very high speed, it's all in the coding, of course. I have the feeling slimserver could be optimized to make certain operations that cause the slowness perception (like recursively adding a directory to a playlist) much faster. The web interface is responsible for a lot of the perceived slowness. I think it should be complemented with a slick GUI app that reacts instantaneously. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] One more reason to use FLAC?
tyler_durden wrote: > This affects .mp3 files. Wouldn't it be strange if it turned out that > .mp3 file use gets essentially sued out of existence for commercial > use? Of course, it would still be used by people like us, as long as > there are free software players to play it, and old mp3 player hardware > around to play them, but new, tiny portable players that play mp3 might > disappear. > AFAIK only encoders are forced to pay a license fee, players (decoders) are apparently left alone. Apparently that's the reason binaries of LAME are somewhat hard to come by. > What does that leave us with? Apple's proprietary DRM'd formats, > Windows proprietary DRM'd formats, etc. > Shudder. > It will be the best thing that ever happened to M$ (and apple) if mp3 > gets killed in the courts. > It's not in the interest of the patent holder to kill the format. This type of thing has been going on for a long time and mp3 is still very much alive. > If anyone wants to listen to recorded music, they'll have to buy a > player from M$ or apple, and they'll have to buy all their music from > M$ and apple, too. Thank goodness we have ogg and flac and even wav ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 Died?
> No response from the remote, and yes, I tried changing the batteries > and holding the power button down as well. But do you see the startup screen when you power up the device? support at slimdevices dot com is the address to contact. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] One more reason to use FLAC?
>tyler_durden wrote: >> This affects .mp3 files. Wouldn't it be strange if it turned out that >> .mp3 file use gets essentially sued out of existence for commercial >> use? > >The MP3 format is not open, it is subject to intellectual property. >Both Thompson and Franhauffer claim patent rights to the underlying >technology. It is not subject to DRM, but it is not free. However, if MP3 "goes away," there is always Ogg Vorbis which is, per the FAQ at www.vorbis.com, "completely free, open, and unpatented." Compressed audio isn't going to go away. I wish Ogg were the ubiquitious format MP3 has become since it free and open, alas. Kevin -- Kevin O. Lepard Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] One more reason to use FLAC?
tyler_durden wrote: > This affects .mp3 files. Wouldn't it be strange if it turned out that > .mp3 file use gets essentially sued out of existence for commercial > use? The MP3 format is not open, it is subject to intellectual property. Both Thompson and Franhauffer claim patent rights to the underlying technology. It is not subject to DRM, but it is not free. Many people ignore the license terms, but that does not make it right. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] One more reason to use FLAC?
This affects .mp3 files. Wouldn't it be strange if it turned out that .mp3 file use gets essentially sued out of existence for commercial use? Of course, it would still be used by people like us, as long as there are free software players to play it, and old mp3 player hardware around to play them, but new, tiny portable players that play mp3 might disappear. What does that leave us with? Apple's proprietary DRM'd formats, Windows proprietary DRM'd formats, etc. It will be the best thing that ever happened to M$ (and apple) if mp3 gets killed in the courts. If anyone wants to listen to recorded music, they'll have to buy a player from M$ or apple, and they'll have to buy all their music from M$ and apple, too. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33020 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] One more reason to use FLAC?
Quote from today's Guardian (UK) newspaper: "Microsoft was yesterday fined a record $1.52bn (£777m) for infringing a digital music patent which could throw into doubt the future of the digital music industry. A San Diego court ruled that the software giant has infringed patents, owned by Franco-American technology firm Alcatel-Lucent, which cover the conversion of audio tracks into the popular MP3 file format which is used by hundreds of companies and millions of music listeners." I'm sure that M$ will somehow manage to get out of this but it just goes to emphasise that even mp3, which most people would assume is a freely usable format, is in fact not. Makes truly free codec schemes like FLAC seem even more crucial to have around. davep -- davep davep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33020 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Repeat current song
Try the 'Repeat' key on the remote. This cycles between one, all and none for the repeat setting. Looks like yours is set on 'one' for that box. davep -- davep davep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] End of songs chopped off
Thanks for everyone's advice and input. Ultimately, I rolled back to 6.3.1 and that worked. Still, shouldn't have to regress to progress. Cust. Service (w/whom I've had many phone calls and e-mails) tells me that they're trying to work out this "bug." -- brucesee brucesee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10260 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32793 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problems with Rhapsody
The firmware was upgraded to fix some playback issues, some involving Rhapsody. This firmware is also included with the 6.5.2 builds found here: http://www.slimdevices.com/dev_nightly.html -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Problems with Rhapsody
I am having problems switching between Rhapsody and Squeezebox. After upgrading to 6.5.1 everything seemed to be okay until this evening. Now everytime I try to switch between the two I am asked to upgrade my firmware. This is exactly why I switched to 6.5.1(Lord knows it wasn't the stability provided by the new firmware). Any ideas how I can prevent this? -- gtcharlie gtcharlie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9225 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33018 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] slimserver memory usage
Hi -- I'm running SlimServer 6.5.1 on a Fedora Core 6 box (512Mb RAM, Pentium 4 CPU 2.66GHz.) SlimServer finds all of my music and streams it just fine to 3 Squeezeboxen, but slimserver.pl uses an increasing amount of memory the longer it runs. When I start it up, top shows it to be using about 12.5% of memory. Right now top shows slimserver.pl has been running just under 3 and a half hours and it's using 38.8% of memory. I first noticed the problem when we weren't able to play any music at all. Web access to the SS interface was very, very slow -- I ssh'ed into the box and saw that slimeserver was using virtually all the memory. I restarted SS and it dropped back down to 12.5%. One other time I noticed that SS was not running and the logs indicated that the system had killed the slimserver process because it was using all the memory. I'm dealing with the problem now with a cron job that restarts the slimserver service twice a day, but that's rather less than elegant. When I first noticed this I tried running slimserver without any plugins, and the problem persisted. Perhaps it's relevant that this is a recent FC-6 install following a reformat of the drive. This 6.5.1 is the only version of slimserver that's been on this system installation, and it was a fresh install. The server is not used for much else -- a file server for occasional backups and a print server for occasional print jobs. And I've not generated a music scan in weeks. I don't know which debugging settings might be relevant here -- could someone here suggest some settings that might reveal what's going on? Thanks. --John ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB3 Died?
SB3 (about 1 year old), via wireless, windows xp, has been working fine, but tonight (of course just before a get-together with guests), it will not turn on at all. No response from the remote, and yes, I tried changing the batteries and holding the power button down as well. Slimserver starts on the PC and says it cannot find a player. Works with softsqueeze. Any thoughts, or did it really die? :-( Thanks, Bruce -- bahnsah bahnsah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4268 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33014 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Discount Wall Mount for SqueezeBox
Hey Guys, I thought I would post another, low-tech, inexpensive wall mount options that scored great WAPs (wife approval points) with the spouse. This is a cheap 12" wall shelf that I picked up at Linens & Things for $20. I used existing holes from a phone jack location that was no longer used. I am running 10' patch cord down to closet below this wall in basement and DC plug is running to extension cord that is basement below this wall. Sorry for the crappy picture but the size limits made me compress a lot. Cheers, +---+ |Filename: slim.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2457| +---+ -- Bokenrosie Bokenrosie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33013 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Kitchen Design help
If your Slimserver host runs Linux/Unix and has a serial port, for $15 - $30 you could get some X-10 Firecracker gear and use my BottleRocket plugin to control power to the Onkyo, especially if you can't use IRBlaster. http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BottleRocket.html -Peter -- peterw peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32712 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Music IP question.... sigh.....sigh... :)
ezkcdude;182647 Wrote: > Do you have the "MM" icons appear in SlimServer? That's what I can't get > to work. I can send mixes made in MusicIP to SS, so that's what I've > been doing as a workaround. I'd like to run MusicIP headless, though, > as I was with SS 6.3. I'll try your suggestions. Thanks. I have the MM icons. >From memory I had to rescan/restart a few times. Plus, you need to start MM first, and make sure it's not analyising before you start Slim. Suggest you try setting use MM first in Slim, and clear the music folder location in the server settings to nothing. Then don't worry about getting it to work this time, just close Slim, close MM, and restart your PC. When it boots again, start MM, let it settle down, then start Slim. Go to server settings and do a clear library and rescan everything. Then don't touch it until it's finished. You have to be a little persistent I recall. It should be easier, but it's not. Ta. h. -- hdarwen hdarwen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2001 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32299 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Where will the Squeezebox be assembled in the future?
My Squeezebox was assembled in California. Out of curiosity, where will the new Logitech branded Squeezeboxes and Transporters be assembled? In China? If so, it could mean cheaper Squeezeboxes and Transporters. And that would be good. OTOH, what will happen to the folks in the States who used to assemble it? -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Repeat current song
One of my squeezeboxes seems to be possessed. Everytime I start it up it always repeats the first song in an album (regardless of what CD it is) -- i've changed the settings but it always stays; is there a way to reset it? -- macattack macattack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Music IP question.... sigh.....sigh... :)
hdarwen;182604 Wrote: > I have MIP 1.7 working with SS 6.5.1 on Win XP. Though I can't say it > was easy. I don't run the headless mode, but this is what I had to do > to get it working: > > Select "Use Music Magic" > Clear the Music Folder path in Slim (when it was set it caused havoc > with library info, even though it pointed to the same location as MIP) > Don't start Slim at startup > Manually start MIP first on boot > Manually start Slim once MIP has stopped scanning for new stuff > If the library has changed since last time (or if it's your first > time), do a clear library and rescan everything > > That worked for me anyway. If MIP starts scanning new stuff while it's > running with Slim though, all bets are off. > > Thx. Do you have the "MM" icons appear in SlimServer? That's what I can't get to work. I can send mixes made in MusicIP to SS, so that's what I've been doing as a workaround. I'd like to run MusicIP headless, though, as I was with SS 6.3. I'll try your suggestions. Thanks. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3->EZDAC->MIT Terminator 2 interconnects->Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)->Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier->Speltz anti-cables->DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10" subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32299 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Kitchen Design help
AudioSource Amp ONE for $200 will turn itself off when SB3 is not sending it information. I was all set to buy this until I remembered that I have a big Onkyo M504 gathering dust. I'm waiting on the ceiling speakers from partsexpress and the SB3 will get flush mounted to wall with DC and patch cables going to amp in the basement directly below. -- Bokenrosie Bokenrosie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32712 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WPA WEP etc...
Peter;182606 Wrote: > Mark Lanctot wrote: > > jonheal;182579 Wrote: > > > >> Being pretty much an idiot when it comes to networking stuff, > please > >> clarify something for me: > >> > >> As I understand it, encrypting your wireless broadcasts (hopefully) > >> prevents an eavesdropper from reading the packets you send out into > the > >> atmosphere. Protecting the integrity of your network, and the > machines > >> on it, is another matter entirely. Am I wrong in that assumption? > And > >> if all your broadcasting is music packets, is it that big of a deal > to > >> protect them? > >> > > > > I'm no more than a novice at this myself, but yes, this is something > > outside a normal LAN. If your machines are infected with various > > backdoors, it doesn't matter how secure your WPA2 passphrase > > is...although interestingly an attacker could still not find it out > > unless he was running a keylogger as you typed it in. > > > > But in regards to just broadcasting music packets and packets > destined > > for an SB, you need to protect them even more because: > > > > - there will always be traffic an attacker could monitor > > > > - when broadcasting music, a steady stream of packets will be > present > > to analyze > > > > As I understand it, these attacks work better when you have lots of > > packets to analyze. Once an attacker derives a passphrase, he can > (at > > the very least) use your IP address for whatever purpose he wants. > > This includes child porn - there have been several high-profile > busts > > recently where police are tracking offenders based on IP addresses, > and > > you would have to prove your wireless network was compromised in > > court...meanwhile your name would be published in the local media. > > > > Possibly, but the chances are rather small. I read an article on the > exact way of cracking a WEP protected network recently and the 'bad > guys' have devised a little trick to get lots of packets. They just > grab > one of your encrypted packets and (re)send it to one of your hosts. The > > host will receive the packet and reply to it, another packet to > analyze... The method used in the article required two PC's, a special > > Linux boot CD and two wireless cards with a specific chipset. Quite a > hassle still.. > > Once an attacker is on your LAN, he's also one step closer to > accessing > > your hard drive contents. Your router won't stop him, it'll be up > to > > software firewalls if he gets that far. Blocking by MAC address is > > useless here - he'll be able to see the MAC addresses of all the > > devices on your network and can clone one. > > > > It's a funny thing wireless security. If you leave your PC/network open > > to the internet you *will* be targeted by thousands or tens of > thousands > of (professional) automated hacking attempts. If you leave your > wireless > network open you will be open to attack by a dozen neighbours. The > chances of your neighbours wanting to target you and having the skill > to > do are possibly not so great. One of my neighbours has his network > open, > I even used it briefly once or twice, but I've never gone so far as > snooping around on it. The chances of anyone around me wanting to go > through the hassle of cracking a WEP key would be fairly slim. > > Then again I read an interesting attack recently in which the bad guys > > would drive thru the city with a PC that automatically looked for open > > networks with no encryption. The PC would be loaded with knowledge of > popular routers and their configs and default passwords and would > contact any routers it could find and change the DNS settings so it > would use a DNS server controlled by the attacker. By manipulating DNS > > responses they would be able to get between the victim and there > banking > websites. > > I'd take the trouble to set up WPA encryption if I were my neighbour. I > > don't know which one it is, perhaps I should snoop around a little ;) > > Regards, > Peter Fortunately, I live on a cul-de-sac. I know all of the close neighbors. Should I see someone parked in the cul-de-sac with a laptop, I reckon I'll break out the Louisville Slugger, and said perp can figure on a wood shampoo. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ ~~~ SB3 (wired - 6.3.1) | Home-brew PC running XP Pro | DENON DRA-395 | PSB Stratus Bronze (2) | Outlaw Audio LFM-2 (1) | DIY Speaker Cables | Dayton Audio Interconnects jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32888 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WPA WEP etc...
Mark Lanctot wrote: > jonheal;182579 Wrote: > >> Being pretty much an idiot when it comes to networking stuff, please >> clarify something for me: >> >> As I understand it, encrypting your wireless broadcasts (hopefully) >> prevents an eavesdropper from reading the packets you send out into the >> atmosphere. Protecting the integrity of your network, and the machines >> on it, is another matter entirely. Am I wrong in that assumption? And >> if all your broadcasting is music packets, is it that big of a deal to >> protect them? >> > > I'm no more than a novice at this myself, but yes, this is something > outside a normal LAN. If your machines are infected with various > backdoors, it doesn't matter how secure your WPA2 passphrase > is...although interestingly an attacker could still not find it out > unless he was running a keylogger as you typed it in. > > But in regards to just broadcasting music packets and packets destined > for an SB, you need to protect them even more because: > > - there will always be traffic an attacker could monitor > > - when broadcasting music, a steady stream of packets will be present > to analyze > > As I understand it, these attacks work better when you have lots of > packets to analyze. Once an attacker derives a passphrase, he can (at > the very least) use your IP address for whatever purpose he wants. > This includes child porn - there have been several high-profile busts > recently where police are tracking offenders based on IP addresses, and > you would have to prove your wireless network was compromised in > court...meanwhile your name would be published in the local media. > Possibly, but the chances are rather small. I read an article on the exact way of cracking a WEP protected network recently and the 'bad guys' have devised a little trick to get lots of packets. They just grab one of your encrypted packets and (re)send it to one of your hosts. The host will receive the packet and reply to it, another packet to analyze... The method used in the article required two PC's, a special Linux boot CD and two wireless cards with a specific chipset. Quite a hassle still.. > Once an attacker is on your LAN, he's also one step closer to accessing > your hard drive contents. Your router won't stop him, it'll be up to > software firewalls if he gets that far. Blocking by MAC address is > useless here - he'll be able to see the MAC addresses of all the > devices on your network and can clone one. > It's a funny thing wireless security. If you leave your PC/network open to the internet you *will* be targeted by thousands or tens of thousands of (professional) automated hacking attempts. If you leave your wireless network open you will be open to attack by a dozen neighbours. The chances of your neighbours wanting to target you and having the skill to do are possibly not so great. One of my neighbours has his network open, I even used it briefly once or twice, but I've never gone so far as snooping around on it. The chances of anyone around me wanting to go through the hassle of cracking a WEP key would be fairly slim. Then again I read an interesting attack recently in which the bad guys would drive thru the city with a PC that automatically looked for open networks with no encryption. The PC would be loaded with knowledge of popular routers and their configs and default passwords and would contact any routers it could find and change the DNS settings so it would use a DNS server controlled by the attacker. By manipulating DNS responses they would be able to get between the victim and there banking websites. I'd take the trouble to set up WPA encryption if I were my neighbour. I don't know which one it is, perhaps I should snoop around a little ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Music IP question.... sigh.....sigh... :)
ezkcdude;182421 Wrote: > I read this thread after attempting to install 6.5.X for what will > probably be the last time for me. I still can't get MusicIP (used to be > MusicMagic) to work. I had it working with 6.3, and tried several months > ago to upgrade to 6.5. I never got it to work then, but I thought time > would heal all the problems. It hasn't. I'm still unable to get this > stuff to work. Oh, well. Back to 6.3. I have MIP 1.7 working with SS 6.5.1 on Win XP. Though I can't say it was easy. I don't run the headless mode, but this is what I had to do to get it working: Select "Use Music Magic" Clear the Music Folder path in Slim (when it was set it caused havoc with library info, even though it pointed to the same location as MIP) Don't start Slim at startup Manually start MIP first on boot Manually start Slim once MIP has stopped scanning for new stuff If the library has changed since last time (or if it's your first time), do a clear library and rescan everything That worked for me anyway. If MIP starts scanning new stuff while it's running with Slim though, all bets are off. Thx. -- hdarwen hdarwen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2001 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32299 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Music IP question.... sigh.....sigh... :)
I vaguely remember having a problem when I upgraded. As MusicIP is a new process name I think I had the old one set up to run in the the MMM.ini file or something like that. Double check your ini file settings and Service settings. I fixed the problem quite easily. Sorry my recollection is so vague. Fairy -- fairyliquidizer "O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us! It wad frae monie a blunder free us, An' foolish notion." -Robert Burns- fairyliquidizer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3678 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32299 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is Slimserver sustainable as Open Source?
Quoting Balthazar_B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > and/or bugs (usually real, rarely imagined). I think that is a statement that can easily lead to long hours of debate. This is starting to sound like yet another excuse to be condescending towards people who might actually know what they are doing. It seems "open source" also gains the perception that only untrained hacks take part. Then again, maybe I've just been imagining the increasing QA team. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WPA WEP etc...
jonheal;182579 Wrote: > Being pretty much an idiot when it comes to networking stuff, please > clarify something for me: > > As I understand it, encrypting your wireless broadcasts (hopefully) > prevents an eavesdropper from reading the packets you send out into the > atmosphere. Protecting the integrity of your network, and the machines > on it, is another matter entirely. Am I wrong in that assumption? And > if all your broadcasting is music packets, is it that big of a deal to > protect them? I'm no more than a novice at this myself, but yes, this is something outside a normal LAN. If your machines are infected with various backdoors, it doesn't matter how secure your WPA2 passphrase is...although interestingly an attacker could still not find it out unless he was running a keylogger as you typed it in. But in regards to just broadcasting music packets and packets destined for an SB, you need to protect them even more because: - there will always be traffic an attacker could monitor - when broadcasting music, a steady stream of packets will be present to analyze As I understand it, these attacks work better when you have lots of packets to analyze. Once an attacker derives a passphrase, he can (at the very least) use your IP address for whatever purpose he wants. This includes child porn - there have been several high-profile busts recently where police are tracking offenders based on IP addresses, and you would have to prove your wireless network was compromised in court...meanwhile your name would be published in the local media. Once an attacker is on your LAN, he's also one step closer to accessing your hard drive contents. Your router won't stop him, it'll be up to software firewalls if he gets that far. Blocking by MAC address is useless here - he'll be able to see the MAC addresses of all the devices on your network and can clone one. -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32888 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is Slimserver sustainable as Open Source?
Going back to the first message in this thread (and others similar to it), I think the root issue underlying whatever frustration users/customers are feeling is not really open vs. closed source. Rather, it generally comes down to performance (i.e., perceived lack of) and/or bugs (usually real, rarely imagined). As many have mentioned, better development processes/control (incl. regression testing, etc.) would help address the latter. The former is more difficult, and perhaps a large portion of performance issues come down to the code base. There may be certain operations that PERL, PHP, etc., may never be able to perform as efficiently as C dialects or other compiled programming languages. I have no idea what's towards the top of Logitech/Slim's priority list, but I'm wondering whether they aren't stepping back to take a look at the whole server package, and figuring out whether some parts of it shouldn't be modularized and then written using a code base that will address sluggishness and other performance symptoms. Of course this wouldn't be easy, but it would probably make it easier to release a server-in-a-box product (if that's what they have in mind) that would not get savaged by reviewers testing with large and/or complex media libraries. -- Balthazar_B Balthazar_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7366 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32904 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 30-second freeze?
My problem seem to be disappeared. I do not know when and why. (Im on wireless) -- maddag maddag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9762 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WPA WEP etc...
Being pretty much an idiot when it comes to networking stuff, please clarify something for me: As I understand it, encrypting your wireless broadcasts (hopefully) prevents an eavesdropper from reading the packets you send out into the atmosphere. Protecting the integrity of your network, and the machines on it, is another matter entirely. Am I wrong in that assumption? And if all your broadcasting is music packets, is it that big of a deal to protect them? -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ ~~~ SB3 (wired - 6.3.1) | Home-brew PC running XP Pro | DENON DRA-395 | PSB Stratus Bronze (2) | Outlaw Audio LFM-2 (1) | DIY Speaker Cables | Dayton Audio Interconnects jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32888 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WPA WEP etc...
Mark Lanctot wrote: > Well yes, password size matters, but I was referring to AES's more > advanced encryption than TKIP. > > Since TKIP hasn't been broken yet, AES is overkill - but still, it > costs nothing in terms of time and money to implement, so I did it. > The main risk at the moment is using brute force to crack the keys. Using a short password or one from a dictionary is just as big a problem with AES as with TKIP. That's also the attack against WEP, except that in this case some stupidities in the protocol implementation make it a lot easier. But it's not very difficult to make an insecure implementation of AES encryption. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can SlimServer Take Input?
I'm going to try that one, looks promising !! thanks -- blason blason's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8688 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18401 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can SlimServer Take Input?
Have you tried shoutcast, which is the commonly-recommended approach? -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18401 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Firmware version
Michael Herger;182466 Wrote: > > My question is if the firmware version depends on the > > slimserver version... > > Correct > > > What happens if later I downgrade the slimserver... > > The firmware will be downgraded as well. > > -- > > Michael > > - > http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD > http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR Thank you very much Michael... JP -- jotap_66 jotap_66's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to customize the Now Playing screen
Interesting. I'll check it out. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to customize the Now Playing screen
Nostromo;182506 Wrote: > MusicInfo is interesting. I installed it a couple of weeks ago, but I > don't think I'll use it, mainly because I love the analog VU screen > saver. With SaverSwitcher, you could use both of them. Set the 1st SaverSwitcher "when playing" saver to MusicInfo for 10 seconds and the 2nd to Analog VU for something like 10 minutes and, after an initial 10 seconds of MusicInfo, you'll only see the VU, until the next song starts, or you press "0" on the remote to go back to MusicInfo for 10 seconds, or "1" on the remote to only use MusicInfo. http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html -Peter -- peterw peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to customize the Now Playing screen
kdf wrote: >> Slimdevices should send you guys complimentary Transporters for all the >> good work > > When I started, the website said "rewards for significant > contribution". They are good on their word. I agree, I've contributed and received very fair reward. Open Source Slimserver is very cool. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to customize the Now Playing screen
On 22-Feb-07, at 7:26 AM, Nostromo wrote: > > Thanks! > np > Slimdevices should send you guys complimentary Transporters for all the > good work > When I started, the website said "rewards for significant contribution". They are good on their word. There was also a plugin contest a few years back rewarding third party work. And of course, the occasional third party dev ends up being hired. I can think of 4 without much effort. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to customize the Now Playing screen
MusicInfo is interesting. I installed it a couple of weeks ago, but I don't think I'll use it, mainly because I love the analog VU screen saver. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WPA WEP etc...
Well yes, password size matters, but I was referring to AES's more advanced encryption than TKIP. Since TKIP hasn't been broken yet, AES is overkill - but still, it costs nothing in terms of time and money to implement, so I did it. -- Mark Lanctot "It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response." - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32888 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to customize the Now Playing screen
Nostromo wrote: > Thanks! > > Slimdevices should send you guys complimentary Transporters for all the > good work How do you know they haven't? ;) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to customize the Now Playing screen
kdf;182446 Wrote: > On 21-Feb-07, at 11:09 PM, Nostromo wrote: > [color=blue] > if you want more flexibility, look into the MusicInfo Screensaver > plugin from Michael Herger: > > http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?PluginServerUtilities > > -kdf Here. here. MusicInfo lets me fine-tune my display to show exactly what I'm most interested in seeing while music's playing, and what I like to see when I tap Now Playing. MusicInfo is awesome. -- byKnight Really, it was like that when I got here. byKnight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can SlimServer Take Input?
Up - has anybody found a solution to do this ? -- blason blason's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8688 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18401 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to customize the Now Playing screen
Thanks! Slimdevices should send you guys complimentary Transporters for all the good work -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Remote Display for SB3?
He thought it was SB; I told him I did not think so; he said he saw it on the web. Maybe he was thinking of Roku -- thesil Gerry. "When you ain't got nuthin', you've got nuthin' to lose" thesil's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32979 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playback cut off and tags
JJZolx;182453 Wrote: > How does the info differ? Maybe that would give a clue. Ok, before the tag details looked all normal in other players, but SlimServer was showing part of the filenames as the Title and part of the title as the Artist. Now its showing the correct Title, but the Artist is shown as the Title & Artist. Dunno if that makes sense :? -- heffa -- "Yeah, it's all cow." heffa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9939 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32986 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Remote Display for SB3?
thesil;182376 Wrote: > My audio installer told me that there is a remote display device from SS > that works with SB3 so that I can keep my SB3 in my main listening room > and see what is playing on the satellite device in another room. Is > that true, and if so, where can I get one? I haven't seen or heard of > this anywhere. Obvious question I know - but why didn't ask your audio installer for the name of the device?? :) -- bonze QNAP TS-101 (version 2.0.0 build 0105T) SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 11206 - Debian - EN - utf8 2 x wireless SB3 bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32979 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SlimTray.exe unresponsive and huge
I can confirm SlimTray is indeed leaking file handles In my case, looking at Windows Task Manager it has reached 1,464,939 handles and is increasing by exactly 80 handles every 10 seconds I'm running SlimServer Version: 6.5.2 - 11466 -- y360 y360's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32257 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] HELP: probably easy.. but..
ok, so i polluted the forum as i just recalled myself of ascii vs Hex.. shihc was the issue. so for the record if any is stuck as i was: just make the conversion (using http://www.dolcevie.com/js/converter.html for instance) and you have a 26 digit key instead of a 13 digit one.. -- etfun2000 etfun2000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4814 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32990 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Firmware version
oreillymj;182462 Wrote: > The firmware and Slimserver software are pretty independent of each > other, but there have been times in the past where a FW upgrade > depended on a certain version of the Server software being present. > > e.g I think FW54 or later requires SS6.5x. > > Slim recommends that users upgrade Server software and FW together as > they are tested as a unit. It would involve too much work to test > server upgrades for compatibility with several older FW version. > Similarly, Slim don't go back and update 6.2 or 6.3 to work with the > current FW as well as the version bundled with the release. > > So if you upgrade to 6.5 the FW will automatically bee updated. > If you go back to 6.2 or 6.3 you'll be prompted to downgrade. > > You can edit the squeezebox2.version file in C:\Program > Files\SlimServer\server\Firmware to avoid a downgrade, but you won't > get any support if your system breaks. Now, I understand all... Thank you very much JP -- jotap_66 jotap_66's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Firmware version
> My question is if the firmware version depends on the > slimserver version... Correct > What happens if later I downgrade the slimserver... The firmware will be downgraded as well. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Firmware version
The firmware and Slimserver software are pretty independent of each other, but there have been times in the past where a FW upgrade depended on a certain version of the Server software being present. e.g I think FW54 or later requires SS6.5x. Slim recommends that users upgrade Server software and FW together as they are tested as a unit. It would involve too much work to test server upgrades for compatibility with several older FW version. Similarly, Slim don't go back and update 6.2 or 6.3 to work with the current FW as well as the version bundled with the release. So if you upgrade to 6.5 the FW will automatically bee updated. If you go back to 6.2 or 6.3 you'll be prompted to downgrade. You can edit the squeezebox2.version file in C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\Firmware to avoid a downgrade, but you won't get any support if your system breaks. -- oreillymj oreillymj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Firmware version
jeremy;182459 Wrote: > It pretty much sorts itself out. If you go back to an earlier version of > the server software the squeezebox will prompt you to 'update' the > firmware to the appropriate earlier version. The guys at SD are great > at making this sort of stuff easy for users & this forum and wiki are a > mine of useful info If I understand you, you are telling me that firmware version depends on the slimserver version used? Thank you JP -- jotap_66 jotap_66's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] HELP: probably easy.. but..
Hi, i just had a new wifi router with a new wep 128 bit key which is only a 13 digit key (whereas previous were indeed a 26 digit key). when i try to enter in the network settings of my transporter i cant get rid of all the remaining 0´s... and of course cannot connect to the slimserver. i had no problem using the 13 digit key with my pc and my nokia n800 tablet, just how can i "force" a 13 digit key only on the transporter menu !!!?? Tks ! -- etfun2000 etfun2000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4814 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32990 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Firmware version
It pretty much sorts itself out. If you go back to an earlier version of the server software the squeezebox will prompt you to 'update' the firmware to the appropriate earlier version. The guys at SD are great at making this sort of stuff easy for users & this forum and wiki are a mine of useful info -- jeremy jeremy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Firmware version
Hello: I have just bought a SB3When I configured, it was installed a new firmware version (I think 48)...I read that there are new versions of firmware...My question is if the firmware version depends on the slimserver version...For example, I am using 6.2.2 but I read that last version is 6.5.1...If I install 6.5.1, SB3 will update to a new version of firmware? What happens if later I downgrade the slimserver...to 6.2.2? Thanks JP -- jotap_66 jotap_66's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to customize the Now Playing screen
Nostromo;182443 Wrote: > Also, is there a way to display actual stars instead of asterisks?You can > currently change the "rating character" in the TrackStat settings but its limited to the characters available in the default font and I'm not sure if there are any star character available there. The problem is also that is must work both on player display and in the web interface. However, as I have understand it should be possible for a plugin to provide its own fonts/characters and this way it might possible to do something in TrackStat to show real stars instead of asterix characters. I'll add it to the TrackStat wish list as something to investigate sometime in the future. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.homeip.net) 'My download page' (http://erland.homeip.net/download) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library and RandomPlayList plugins' (http://wiki.erland.homeip.net/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32987 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] End of songs chopped off
randybrand;181319 Wrote: > Check out bug 4544. SD is now able to reproduce this problem and I > think that they are going to try to fix it in 6.5.2. Meanwhile, you > can go back to 6.3.1 and get rid of the problem. Actually, this is more akin to bug 4384. Please vote on this bug--I haven't gotten the developers to really look into it eventhough I reported it fairly early on with 6.5.1. It is an easy bug to reproduce, and there is detailed explanation in the bug tracker, so I'm not sure why they haven't paid much attention to it. -- M3Rocket M3Rocket's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2652 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32793 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Nice to see BBC Radio and Capital Radio now available
How do I add BBC / Capital Radio to my Squeezenetwork favourites? -- samwardill samwardill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8479 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32075 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playback cut off and tags
heffa;182452 Wrote: > It is an MP3. > > Cheers for that one. Gave the tag editor a try. It made some changes to > the tag info, but its still different from what everything else sees. > And it still cuts off :( How does the info differ? Maybe that would give a clue. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32986 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Playback cut off and tags
It is an MP3. Cheers for that one. Gave the tag editor a try. It made some changes to the tag info, but its still different from what everything else sees. And it still cuts off :( -- heffa -- "Yeah, it's all cow." heffa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9939 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32986 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sluggish Response
Where's the health page? Anyway, I tried it and slimserver running on the PC is definitely more responsive than running on the NAS. This is no real problem for me since I want to control my music FROM a pc (via CLI hooked into my own program eventually) rather than from the remote with no pc on. -- jezbo jezbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9888 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32962 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
