date:20090527


Just don't forget that these cycles aren't free - your server will be
using a lot more power running at 100% CPU 24/7. Personally, I prefer to
donate a little cash to some of these causes and avoid the carbon
emissions.


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Re: [slim] Contribute your squeezecenter server to world peace

2009-05-27 Thread mortslim


radish;427026 Wrote: 
> your server will be using a lot more power

I think it depends on the server.  Once you go 24/7, the new netbooks
don't radically increase consumption by running a background program. 
My point for this thread is that if you are 24/7 anyway, adding a
background program will be insignificant to your electric bill and be
very significant to helping solve the world's problems.


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Re: [slim] Updated Squeezebox products?

2009-05-27 Thread signor_rossi


jo-wie;426993 Wrote: 
> I was thinking about where it makes sense to have those extented
> controls on a unit which could be a replacement for a SB3. Makes no real
> sense for me. But in a narrow enviroment like a kitchen could it be an
> enhancement, like the buttons on a Boom. And I saw some posts of people
> who build a touch screen system and found it in the daily use at least
> useless.
> 
> And I do not know what "touch screen" means: a interactiv screen
> control like a iPod touch, or more simply a touch triggert control like
> on the Logi Z-10 speakers?

What if this big stationary touch screen controller includes an ARM
based fanless server that can run SC? Of course it then would have to
include either wireless N in the case that the music would be stored on
a NAS or it would have to include an USB or eSATA port for external hard
disks...


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[slim] K92FM - Country Music Feeds Req'd

2009-05-27 Thread mpc


Can anyone here give me some live web feed adresses for the country
radio station K92FM, if I go on the website it has it's own built in
player. I am wanting a web address to feed into squeezenetwork to play
the station on my squeezebox3.
Thanks in advance
Michael


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Re: [slim] K92FM - Country Music Feeds Req'd

2009-05-27 Thread toby10


mpc;427045 Wrote: 
> Can anyone here give me some live web feed adresses for the country
> radio station K92FM, if I go on the website it has it's own built in
> player. I am wanting a web address to feed into squeezenetwork to play
> the station on my squeezebox3.
> Thanks in advance
> Michael

SN > Browse > World > Find a City > North America > US > Florida >
Orlando

You could also set your location for Orlando in RadioTime.com and these
Orlando area stations should show up under SN > Browse > Local

Be sure to enter your RadioTime login info onto SN settings.   :)


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Re: [slim] powered speakers

2009-05-27 Thread mrloop


I've got a variety of active speakers:

Kitchen: Creative Gigaworks T20 - PC orientated but good in a smaller
room. Very pleased with the sound.

Office: Aego M - very pleased with this set-up 

Lounge: M-Audio BX5a - studio near field monitor.  Not as good a sound
as I hoped but this may be due to operating them mainly at low volumes.
My inactive Mission 700s nearby sound nicer (to me)


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[slim] No Slimp3 remote


Some point over the last 3 or 4 updates of nightlies, my Slimp3 remote
has stopped working.
At first I thought it was just batteries but then I replaced them.  I
tried resetting the Slimp3 and the remote works at the initial setup
screen and then when it connects to the Squeezcenter, it stops.
I've tried adding removing the 2 2 remote codes to the player but no
change.
The only other I thing I thought of doing was to reflash the slimp
firmware, but the doesn't really make sense if the remote works at the
beginning(I am also unable to get to the firmware update screen...no
remote!).

Anyone else seeing this behaviour?
Any ideas?


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Re: [slim] Updated Squeezebox products?

2009-05-27 Thread jo-wie


signor_rossi;427033 Wrote: 
> What if this big stationary touch screen controller includes an ARM
> based fanless server that can run SC? Of course it then would have to
> include either wireless N in the case that the music would be stored on
> a NAS or it would have to include an USB or eSATA port for external hard
> disks...

Interesting, my vision is a receiver incl. a SC server :). But 802.11N
is not a solution as long as it is a DRAFT. Just have a look at the
problems people do have with compatibility between G devices. And I
suppose that some new upcoming problems with G units are due to
inteferences with draft N AP which a more and more used by the people
(ok, not at 5GHz). And interoperability between draft N units, is this
as good as between G units?


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Re: [slim] Contribute your squeezecenter server to world peace


mortslim;427035 Wrote: 
> I think it depends on the server.  Once you go 24/7, the new netbooks
> don't radically increase consumption by running a background program. 
But it's not really a "background program" - these things are
specifically designed to take 100% cpu when the machine is otherwise
idle (which for a typical file server is almost all the time). It does
of course depend very much on your machine, something like an Atom has a
max usage of around 4W so a 50% change is largely irrelevant. A faster
processor however could have a much bigger range - mine is running on an
Athlon LE-1640 which has a max usage of 45W, compared with an idle usage
closer to 10W - the difference there is obviously much greater. My guess
is that more people are running SC on old P4 boxes (which use huge
amounts of power) than Atoms, so the difference could be quite
significant.

Add to that the fact that you're running the thing at max temps which
may cause interesting issues depending on how good your cooling is (as
well as increasing noise). 

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from contributing if they want to,
just making sure people are aware that it's not "free" computing power,
it costs you some extra amount of money and it costs the environment
some extra amount of carbon emissions, even if your machine is normally
on 24/7 like mine.


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Re: [slim] Contribute your squeezecenter server to world peace


radish;427083 Wrote: 
> 
> I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from contributing if they want to,
> just making sure people are aware that it's not "free" computing power,
> it costs you some extra amount of money and it costs the environment
> some extra amount of carbon emissions, even if your machine is normally
> on 24/7 like mine.

To add to your thoughtful analysis, please consider that power plants
must always run at some production level that is greater than
consumption. I don't remember the wiggle room factor, it's something
over 10% of consumption, and many systems make such information
available. (Where I am it is the California ISO). Because power plants
don't throttle on and off, the unused factor is considerable at low use
times, like overnight (20-30-40 percent or more)

Increasing power consumption of some number of PCs in people's homes
will not result in any increase of carbon emissions.


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Re: [slim] powered speakers

2009-05-27 Thread Mnyb


http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/music_products/pm_series_mkII.shtml

I have their small PM0.4 in my kitchen very nice, and not very
expensive


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Re: [slim] Contribute your squeezecenter server to world peace


Goodsounds;427094 Wrote: 
> Increasing power consumption of some number of PCs in people's homes
> will not result in any increase of carbon emissions.
Very true, up to a point. You or I individually won't make any
appreciable difference, but if everyone increased their domestic use 5%
then new power plants would be needed to keep that 10% buffer. Likewise,
if everyone lowered their domestic usage 5% I'm sure some plants could
be shut down (and there certainly are plants which don't run 24/7 but
are used only for peak times). 

When it comes to SC servers I'm sure it's a tiny drop in a vast ocean,
but when you have things like fold...@home shipping on 10 million PS3s
with no mention of the power issues (those things are thirsty), then I
start to be a little concerned personally.


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Re: [slim] Contribute your squeezecenter server to world peace

2009-05-27 Thread cooppw02


radish;427083 Wrote: 
> But it's not really a "background program" - these things are
> specifically designed to take 100% cpu when the machine is otherwise
> idle (which for a typical file server is almost all the time). It does
> of course depend very much on your machine, something like an Atom has a
> max usage of around 4W so a 50% change is largely irrelevant. A faster
> processor however could have a much bigger range - mine is running on an
> Athlon LE-1640 which has a max usage of 45W, compared with an idle usage
> closer to 10W - the difference there is obviously much greater. My guess
> is that more people are running SC on old P4 boxes (which use huge
> amounts of power) than Atoms, so the difference could be quite
> significant.
> 
> Add to that the fact that you're running the thing at max temps which
> may cause interesting issues depending on how good your cooling is (as
> well as increasing noise). 
> 
> I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from contributing if they want to,
> just making sure people are aware that it's not "free" computing power,
> it costs you some extra amount of money and it costs the environment
> some extra amount of carbon emissions, even if your machine is normally
> on 24/7 like mine.

This depends a lot on the hardware, OS, client, and power consumption
settings.  It is possible to run one of these programs without
significantly altering the power consumption of the machine.  The laptop
I run SC and fold...@home on cruises along at 800Mhz most of the time. 
It instantly scales up to 2.2Ghz (or any of the notches in between) if a
process with a high priority demands it.


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Re: [slim] Contribute your squeezecenter server to world peace


radish;427098 Wrote: 
> Very true, up to a point. You or I individually won't make any
> appreciable difference, but if everyone increased their domestic use 5%
> then new power plants would be needed to keep that 10% buffer. Likewise,
> if everyone lowered their domestic usage 5% I'm sure some plants could
> be shut down (and there certainly are plants which don't run 24/7 but
> are used only for peak times). 
> 
> When it comes to SC servers I'm sure it's a tiny drop in a vast ocean,
> but when you have things like fold...@home shipping on 10 million PS3s
> with no mention of the power issues (those things are thirsty), then I
> start to be a little concerned personally.

Well, then I think you're beating the wrong drum. You admonished
mortslim for his suggestion for SC servers, but now you agree there's no
significant consumption impact of doing so. If the problem is PS3 users,
go after them.

In the US, most electrical consumption is commercial/industrial and
summertime air conditioning.  Addiing PCs and/or leaving them on in
homes has less than a negligible effect on production and
infrastructure, it arguably has no effect at all.

Sorry, I'm perhaps overly sensitive to people who espouse feel-good
causes and who think that gives them the right to tell others what to
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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread auronthas


Hi Sean,

Slim Devices Squeezebox 3 - Your wonderful product has changed my
lifestyle, i almost listen to it everyday, it's joyful and convenient.

It's indeed a great loss to Logitech.

Wish you all the best in your future endeavors and enjoy your
holidays.

Hope to see you around this great and helpful forum sometimes as
advisor.

Cheers,

Auronthas


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Re: [slim] Running SC on $100 Linux Wall Wart

2009-05-27 Thread boerner


Replying to myself, looks like QNAP just added a second NAS unit based
on the same Kirkwood processor:

http://qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=122

I have got to get myself one of those...

or maybe just order the dev kit:

http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-21-openrd-client.aspx


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Re: [slim] powered speakers

2009-05-27 Thread Keymaster


You'd be surprised at the goods that you can find in the recording
section of your local musical instrument store...=)


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Re: [slim] No Slimp3 remote


Check that both remote types are enabled in SC settings, once you're
past the setup screen IR is all handled by the server.


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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread Pneumonic


Sean,

Your time off is well deserved. Re-charge and come back a-blazing. 

>From a personal standpoint. I offer up to you an immense amount of
gratitude for allowing my audio journey to incorporate such great
products as Slim Devices has produced. I can count on 2 fingers, of 1
hand, the number of audio products that have enriched my listening
experience as much as the products that are your brainchild. And that is
saying something let me tell you.

Cheers, thanks and all the best in whatever you do in the future.


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Re: [slim] Contribute your squeezecenter server to world peace

2009-05-27 Thread mortslim

radish;427098 Wrote:
> new power plants would be needed

Reductio ad absurdum (Latin: "reduction to the absurd") is a form of
argument in which a proposition is disproven by following its
implications to a logical but absurd consequence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

I want suggest ideas to save the world, not destroy it. Im not
advocating "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Tre

If youre really concerned about your power bill, make sure you turn
off lights when not using them and make sure you have energy efficient
units for your major appliances (The Refrigerator/Freezer, The
Washer/Dryer, and your AC/Heat). In addition, good insulation for your
house makes a huge difference. Ride a bike, walk and use public
transportation rather than use your car. Buy your food at local
farmers markets. Avoid meat consumption because of the power needed to
raise the beef and transport it. Dont use a dryer at all, hang your
clothes to dry. Take Navy showers (max 2 minutes). Reduce heat in the
winter get a big coat and insulated underwear.

Disconnect the TV, radio and cellphone charger (they consume power even
when off). If you want music, forget a squeezebox and a server for
it; just sing (not in the shower). Forget email; write letters just
like Benjamin Franklin.

Everyone will find their own comfort level with energy efficiency.

My point is just that if you do have a 24/7 server anyway, it really
doesnt cost significantly extra to add a distributed computing task.

Regarding a year old Eee PC (newer models are even more efficient): We
measured the Eee PC at idle and under full load, and it sipped the juice
at a low 14.5W to a peak consumption of 18W.

http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles%2Farchive%2Fc0801%2F13c01%2F13c01.asp

Distributed computing applications allow you to set the option of
desired processor usage percent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_computing

So you can decide yourself how much of your CPU you want to dedicate to
this endeavor while your computer/server is powered on and otherwise
idle.

And, you can decide to turn off your computer/server at any time of
your own choosing. You could decide, e.g. to just devote 15 minutes
each week to a worthwhile project.

You control the on/off switch.

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Re: [slim] No Slimp3 remote


radish;427143 Wrote: 
> Check that both remote types are enabled in SC settings, once you're
> past the setup screen IR is all handled by the server.

"I've tried adding removing the 2 remote codes to the player but no
change."

Tried that but thanks.


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Re: [slim] Looking for help with a noise problem

2009-05-27 Thread Superchunk


What does this mean? 

I just got a demo dac for a week - when I use the digital out to the
dac it works fine...

???


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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread Kyle


Sean, this is sad news indeed for those of us who have enjoyed your
products so much over the past nine years.  The experience of
discovering the Squeezebox (I was looking at an Olive Symphony when I
ran across a reference to the SB3 somewhere), setting it up, ripping and
tagging all of my music (and doing it again after a hard drive failure
-- OUCH!) and, finally, enjoying my collection with an ease I never
dreamed of has -- as others have noted -- enriched my life immeasurably.
Your contributions to this community have pioneered how corporate
management can interact with customers in the digital age.  Best wishes
for your future endeavors.


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Re: [slim] No Slimp3 remote


I've neable logging on the player.ir.
I get the following error repeated many times:
[09-05-27 20:39:03.5923] Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (113)
Error: Select task failed calling Slim::Networking::UDP::readUDP:
Undefined subroutine &Slim::Hardware::IR::enqueue called at /Slim/Networking/SliMP3/Protocol.pm
line 49.
[09-05-27 20:39:03.5967] Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (113)
Error: Select task failed calling Slim::Networking::UDP::readUDP:
Undefined subroutine &Slim::Hardware::IR::enqueue called at /Slim/Networking/SliMP3/Protocol.pm
line 49.
[09-05-27 20:39:03.5991] Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (113)
Error: Select task failed calling Slim::Networking::UDP::readUDP:
Undefined subroutine &Slim::Hardware::IR::enqueue called at /Slim/Networking/SliMP3/Protocol.pm
line 49.


Think this indicates a bug?


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Re: [slim] No Slimp3 remote


You're running 7.4? In that case it may well be a bug, file a ticket @
bugs.slimdevices.com.


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Re: [slim] No Slimp3 remote


'BUG #12181' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12181) filed.


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[slim] SB Boom - Alarm clock problem

2009-05-27 Thread MrBrillo


Primarily using my first SB Boom as an alarm clock (I purchased another
one just yesterday for the main lounge downstairs - brilliant!).

Problem: 

the Alarm clock was originally set to 6:15am, which woke me at the
prescribed time with my choice of radio station (Radio New Zealand).
Decided that this was too early, and need more 'zzz so adjusted the
alarm to wake me at 6:30am instead. The alarm went off at 6:15 this
morning!

Double-checked the settings: only 1 alarm set - Monday thru to Friday,
6:30am.

Could this be a caching problem with the SB?


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Re: [slim] Pandora One

2009-05-27 Thread lreinstein


when i wrote to pandora help-support with this question, this was the
response:

We hope to at some point, but I'm guessing it won't be in the near
future.  Thanks again!

Best,
Mike @ Pandora


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Re: [slim] Will Pandora come back to the UK?

2009-05-27 Thread bonze


Lets hope they do return, I've never quite got the hang of LastFM or
MusicIP.


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Re: [slim] Looking for help with a noise problem

2009-05-27 Thread Wirrunna


So SB3 (Digital out)-> DAC -> PreAmp -> Amp = no buzzing noise, 
but SB3 (Analog out)-> PreAmp -> Amp = Buzzing noise,
and SB3 (Analog out)-> Amp = no buzzing noise, 

Correct ?

It's got me stumped.


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Re: [slim] Looking for help with a noise problem

2009-05-27 Thread Superchunk


You got it.

It's very stumpy, no?

Also frustrating as I just spent almost $2k on my stereo and simply
can't afford to replace the SB, and yet it's not ready to use!  Sigh.


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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread amcluesent


Hope you trousered some serious cash along the way.


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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread toby10


Mr. Adams,

I cannot add any more than has already been said.  Ditto to all
previous comments to you and about these great toys we all enjoy, all
thanks to your vision and inventiveness.

Best of luck and smooth sailing.

P.S.  I was thinking we could organize a SB player moment of silence,
everyone turns off their SB player on the day of your departure.  But
then I thought "no way!  Sean would surely want every SB player out
there playing away, giving enjoyment to the listeners!"  which was
the whole point of developing these devices in the first place.:)


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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread oreillymj


Slashdot brought me here when they wrote an article about the SB1.
I took the plunge when the SB2 with 802.11G came out, and I'm so glad I
did.

I now have an SB2/3/Duet & Boom and I'm sure I'm not finished yet.


Sean, you set up a unique company and I wish you well in anything you
do. Hopefully this isn't the last we hear of you.


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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread Ben Sandee

This is really getting ridiculous.  Get a grip people. :-)
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Re: [slim] Looking for help with a noise problem

2009-05-27 Thread Wirrunna


I still think it is some kind of earthing problem.
Have you tried different interconnect cables ?
Also have you tried plugging the SB3 into a different input ? 
For example, take the cables out of your CD player and plug them into
the SB3 and see if that makes a difference.


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Re: [slim] Looking for help with a noise problem

2009-05-27 Thread Superchunk


Yeah, I've tried several different cables - 3 different ones, all of
which work for other stuff - and I've tried all the inputs.

But I think you are right about the earthing thing - I suspect the DAC
is creating another stage which interrupts the 'bad' connection being
made between the SB, preamp and the amp (which is letting in the rf in
this particular instance).  That's my guess.

I'm going to try a cheater plug tomorrow, just to try it.


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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread MeSue


It's all been said, so I'll just offer this humble haiku:

Music, music everywhere
That is what you did for us
Thanks and best of luck


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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread Bill Burns

On 5/27/2009 10:34 PM, MeSue wrote:
>
> It's all been said, so I'll just offer this humble haiku:
>
> Music, music everywhere
> That is what you did for us
> Thanks and best of luck

You have to be able to sing haiku to the tune of "Moonlight in Vermont" 
(anyone have this on their music server?), so there's one too many 
"music"s in the first line.

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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread Nonreality


Ben Sandee;427228 Wrote: 
> This is really getting ridiculous.  Get a grip people. :-)

The guy was important to a lot of people here.  It's our way of giving
some back.  Try another thread if it's getting too emotional for you.
:-)


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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2009-05-27 Thread MeSue


ftlight;427254 Wrote: 
>  there's one too many "music"s in the first line.
> 
> 


darn... you're right. Should have stuck with my first draft but it was
lame.


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Re: [slim] SB Boom - Alarm clock problem

2009-05-27 Thread SumnerBoy


I have been having similar problems with my alarm (on both a Boom and a
SBR). My alarms go off at the right time, and shut off at the right
time, but they always restart again 12 mins after shut off and go in
indefinitely.

I have contacted support about this and they haven't been able to work
out what is going on. However we have managed to isolate the problem as
being related to Radiotime radio streams only.

Apparently others have been having trouble with Radiotime streams
(according to support) although I haven't seen much traffic on the
forums related to it (i.e. none apart from you).

Try a different internet station, a non-radiotime one, and see if that
helps?


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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!


To Sean - Thanks, best wishes, and good luck. Your name will always be
associated with these great products.

To everyone else - We can enjoy these products because of the
creativity, skill and hard work of many people. Some are no longer with
the company, some still are, some never were. Some are in Mountain View,
some are in Canada, Switzerland, Germany, and who knows where else. 

Sean deserves everyone's thanks, and so too does everyone else. We
should remember to thank them regularly and to make sure the gripes are
evenly balanced with thank yous.

Life goes on.


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