Re: [slim] musicip error when scanning
You'll need to provide a bit more information to get some help. Enable logging for plugin.musicip, then provide the full scanner.log. Michael "It doesn't work - what shall I do?" - "Please check your server.log and/or scanner.log file!" (LMS: Settings/Information) mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114052 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
pablolie wrote: > Amen, btw. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
garym wrote: > No shouting on this forum. My favorite forum for getting along with > everyone! Regarding transparency of different codecs, In the distant > past, I did some ABX (double blind) tests of lossless vs various flavors > of mp3 (320kbps down to 64kbps I recall). I found most things > transparent down to 192kbps (for most normal music). Certain known > problem samples where one could focus on harpsichord, piano, etc. I > could detect. Otherwise my choices turned out to be random guesses. But > getting lower than about 160kbps I could more often tell the lossless vs > the lossy. But even at 128kbps, certain "rock/pop" music was not > reliably different from lossless for me. Below 128, I found it easier > and easier, not unexpectedly. > > I rip all my CDs to FLAC, because why not. I purchase hi-res files when > that's all that's available, but not because I think they are better. I > hate the fact that the Neil Young download store only seems to offer > 24/192. Just bought the new "Down in the Rust Bucket" album today, and > would have gladly purchased 16/44.1 if it had been available. Amen, btw. ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
philippe_44 wrote: > I > Again, everybody is perfectly entitled to have fun building or buying > complex and expensive gears. But itÂs about aesthetic and hobbies, what > is incorrect is to claim it is better from a signal theoryÂs point if > view. Perfectly put. The valid analogy is not a 360x240 computer screen (ewww!) but the pixel wars that went on in digital photography for a long time, and which -among many things- contributed to the demise of digital compact cameras by forcing silly upgrade cycles based on a 64mp or more sensor when the fact was the lens didn't provide anywhere near that resolution. Silly marketing. It kind of has started again with some smartphones, but that because of available CPU power and big data algorithms to *mask* the limitations of the original picture... while in audio, with 16/44 there is nothing to mask, an it's actually overkill unless the best recording equipment and know-how was applied to begin with.Now that digital cameras -even full frame- have to compete with smartphones, the megapixel was died and instead the focus is on stuff like dynamic range etc -the stuff that matters. Camera makers know even us ambitioned consumers don't really need more than 12-24mp - you can make a billboard with that, really. Pushing beyond that is cumbersome - just makes it take more time to copy and edit and process with - kinda like 24/192 or beyond audio.The key is to keep real balance between technology capabilities as a source to destination delivery mechanism. Someone mentioned a Ferrari vs a Prius... the relevant question in that scenario is whether you care if your Amazon order is delivered by either. Maybe some prefer the "Ferrari delivery" that in the end is completely irrelevant to the outcome... Disclaimer: I *do* own some 24/192 albums, but I most certainly don't fool myself I can hear the difference, and couldn't and wouldn't care to even with a million dollar music system. At the height of my audiophile powers, I owned a system that was prolly around $80k. It sounded glorious in that room. But honestly, my current system is more "true" and accurate and gives me 200% audio satisfaction at a fraction of that cost. When I really want to obsess I use headphones anyhow (mandatory if you want to truly reliably hear a difference between 320k and CD, but pick your tracks well and use something like a Shure SE535 - strictly neutral stuff). ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Static IP addresses for Squeezebox devices
You could also use a bind feature. This way you tell the router to use IP xxx for MAC yyy This way you are sure about the ip address but could reshuffle the devices if necessary without accessing the device. Just reboot it would be suffient. Very handy if you change your network setup. *SqueezeBoxes:* 1x Transporter (Living room) 1x SB2 (shed), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Study 2), few spare unit's *Server:* LMS on Pi3 7.9.1. on PcP 3.21 *Network:* AVM Fritzbox, Netgear Smart Switch 24p, 3x Ubiquity edwin2006's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
ralphy wrote: > That's probably a good option as that would remove the need to create a > patch installer package to enable it on a Touch with stock firmware. Good, so per my previous message, I have a PR ready for - duet (model:receiver) => balance - controller (model:controller) => balance - touch (model:fab4) => balance - radio (model:baby) => balance (works with headsets) - other squeezeplay : if capabilities include "Balance=1" => balance LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
Duet has balance, so I need to detect model and apply as balance
accordingly. Can somebody edit Slim/Player/Client.pm and change
hasBalance{0} by hasBalance{1} to try with a transporter?
LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet,
1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000,
ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi,
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Re: [slim] Balance
philippe_44 wrote: > For Touch, I was offering to detect explicitly the Touch and force > balance then, not on all Jive based players. > But again, I don't have a strong opinion That's probably a good option as that would remove the need to create a patch installer package to enable it on a Touch with stock firmware. Ralphy *1*-Touch, *5*-Classics, *3*-Booms, *2*-UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmsclients/files/) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezebox%20client%20builds¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] musicip error when scanning
I decided to start using MusicIP again after about a year having it off. I'm running LMS 8.0.0 on a Windows 10 PC. When I run the Rescan Media Library, it reaches the part where it's doing the MusicP Media , shows "1 of Complete" and then the next message says "Media scan terminated unexpectedly (Scanning Progress)". When I look at the log file it says the following: [21-02-23 12:37:58.3872] main::main (338) Error: Failed when running main scan: [Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at /Slim/Schema.pm line 896, chunk 84. ] [21-02-23 12:37:58.3875] main::main (339) Error: Skipping post-process & Not updating lastRescanTime! Any help would be appreciated. dbinder101's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114052 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
Thank you Phiiippe and Ralphy.
I logged into my SBT using ssh and edited, (using the Busybox vi,) the
file /usr/share/jive/jive/net/SlimProto.lua, added the line,
*obj:capability("Balance", 1)*
after the if block for hasDigitalOut, rebooted, checked the SBT player
audio settings using the material UI, and the Balance feature was
present! I set it to 12, which I think is a shift of 6 dB - not sure.
I suspect most Touch, (and Transporter users too, if it works there
too,) would be hesitant to make this change to their player themselves,
fearing they might brick their device, so for devices where it is known
to work that are detected, I would recommend enabling the balance
feature automatically. I am going to log into my 85 year-old mother's
SBT, and add the capability for her:)
*Living Room:* SB Touch + DIY PSU > CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU >
VRX.1 cables > Emotiva XSP-1 Gen 2 preamp + XPA-DR2 amp > Blue Jeans
cables > B&W 804 speakers
*Laptop:* System76 Galago + Ubuntu 16.04 + Squeezelite +
Vivaldi/Material Skin > Emotiva Little Ego DAC > Grado PS500 headphones
*Bedroom:* RPi Zero W + Squeezelite > miniBOSS DAC HAT > Bose SoundLink
Revolve
*Phone:* Pixel 3a + SB Player + Material APK > Senn IE80 earbuds
*Server:* Puget Systems Serenity + Ubuntu 18.04 + LMS 8.2
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Re: [slim] Static IP addresses for Squeezebox devices
My setup: Lms device(NAS) : static ip Players: dhcp (most routers will reserve ip based on mac anyway) 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
ralphy wrote: > I think forcing the jive based players defeats the point of having the > capability at all. > My next squeezeplay builds will have it enabled as will the next > community firmware release. > > IMHO of the controller, radio and touch, only the touch and maybe the > radio if using line out would even need the balance option. > > For the ip3k based players, if the balance feature works with them, then > the option should be enabled, since we'll never be able to add the cap > to their firmware. Regarding ip3k, I've tried a Boom and balance is not working. I've not tried a duet, I'll do that later today. For Touch, I was offering to detect explicitly the Touch and force balance then, not on all Jive based players. But again, I don't have a strong opinion LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Static IP addresses for Squeezebox devices
cjfreitag wrote: > Here is a general question based on issues I had with a plugin. Would I > be better off having static IP addresses for my Squeezeboxes? My overall > setting is for dynamic addresses and I don't see that causing me any > problems. But are there advantages to making the change to static on a > by-device basis? I just assign a static address to my LMS Server. It's always been and stayed the same so I can always remember. It's just easier for me and the Sboxen to remember the same address. The Sboxen get their own dynamically via DHCP, hasn't been an issue for many years (also I seem to recall many, many years back I did assign them static addresses too - or rather, the DHCP server kept them the same). ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
philippe_44 wrote: > BTW, I chose to require the player to indicate that it supports the > balance option when it connects to LMS, because I did not want the > balance option to appear on the UI when it is not supported (although it > will not do any damage) > > I can also easily change LMS so that certain type of players are forced > to have the balance option even if they do not explicitly mention it. > Let me know. I think forcing the jive based players defeats the point of having the capability at all. My next squeezeplay builds will have it enabled as will the next community firmware release. IMHO of the controller, radio and touch, only the touch and maybe the radio if using line out would even need the balance option. For the ip3k based players, if the balance feature works with them, then the option should be enabled, since we'll never be able to add the cap to their firmware. Ralphy *1*-Touch, *5*-Classics, *3*-Booms, *2*-UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmsclients/files/) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezebox%20client%20builds¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Static IP addresses for Squeezebox devices
Here is a general question based on issues I had with a plugin. Would I be better off having static IP addresses for my Squeezeboxes? My overall setting is for dynamic addresses and I don't see that causing me any problems. But are there advantages to making the change to static on a by-device basis? cjfreitag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41363 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114051 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
BTW, I chose to require the player to indicate that it supports the balance option when it connects to LMS, because I did not want the balance option to appear on the UI when it is not supported (although it will not do any damage) I can also easily change LMS so that certain type of players are forced to have the balance option even if they do not explicitly mention it. Let me know. LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
mcduman wrote: > actually, everything about cd format was kind of arbitrary in order to > fit Beethoven's 9th in one single portable cd. > (https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/why-is-a-cd-74-minutes/). it > could have been 14 or 20 bits depending on how much fit in one cd. i am > sure all the engineers from sony and philips from those days are > surprised that whatever they came up with 40 years ago are still the > high watermark of audio technology today. i am, for sure. > > more of every thing in technology from cpu power to screen resolution is > good, whether you need it or not. but when it comes to audio resolution, > less is good. how can this be true? I can ensure you that 44.1 is enough to mathematically perfectly cover 20kHz on BW which is above humans perception. 16 bits is enough to ensure a SNR and range well inside the 120 dB of human hearing (now I include pain levels). Now, could it be 43 or 48 kHz instead? Yes. That piece is arbitrary but the point is there more does not give you anything. 18 bits? Maybe but computers use bytes and the 16 is enough, so 20 bits will not give you more. Again, everybody is perfectly entitled to have fun building or buying complex and expensive gears. But its about aesthetic and hobbies, what is incorrect is to claim it is better from a signal theorys point if view. LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
ralphy wrote:
> Yes the touch can support the Balance feature, not sure about the ip3k
> players like the transporter.
>
> I have been testing it with Squeezeplay and on a touch with the
> community firmware. Balance support has already been added to my
> squeezeplay and community firmware sources for the next release.
>
> On the touch, it's a 'one line change'
> (https://github.com/ralph-irving/squeezeos-squeezeplay/commit/ca4c95dabe1ac99dd1238abe8c5c046d6c3613bd)
> and a reboot to enable it. I haven't tried it on the official logitech
> firmware yet but it should work.
>
> For those who prefer to continue using the official firmware release I
> could create a patch installer package to enable itif there's enough
> interest.
Thanks ralphy!
I just inserted the line ralphy suggested in my Touch (stock firmware,
with EDO applet): success. I can set Balance for that Touch in
LMS/Settings/Player -> /audio.
1) ssh into the touch (remember the
Code:
ssh -oKexAlgorithms=+diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 root@touch
)
optional) copy the original SlimProto.lua for safe-keeping, e.g. "cp
/usr/share/jive/jive/net/SlimProto.lua /tmp/Slimproto.lua.ORIG"
2) edit the SlimProto.lua file:
Code:
vi /usr/share/jive/jive/net/SlimProto.lua
3) scroll down to line 370 and press "I" to edit
4)
Code:
obj:capability("Balance",1)
5) press to exit edit mode
6) press :wq to save and exit
7) check that the file has today's date:
Code:
ls /usr/share/jive/jive/net/SlimProto.lua -al
8)
Code:
reboot
Be careful that you don't accidentally misspell the line to add, as I
did :-) If there's an error in the SlimProto.lua it will not connect to
the LMS server.
The first try's when I changed the balance and pressed Apply, the volume
control went to zero but after I restored, everything worked exactly as
expected. Note that the extreme settings (-25, +25) will completely
silence the other channel.
I think it could be valuable option to have a balance setting also for
the stock firmware Touch.
2 Touch, 2 Picoreplayer v6.1.0 on RaspBerry 3B
LMS 8.0.1 on Ubuntu 20.04.1 on Intel Core2 Duo E4500 @ 2.20GHz, 2GB. All
wired
Main audio system: Magnepan 3.6, amp "Gdis 400", DAC & pre: NAD M51,
streamers: SB Touch // NAD M50
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Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
Since it seems Kees Schouhamer himself answered some points :-D just briefly: The bit depth and sampling rate for the CD format were never a compromise. You can mathematically prove you can *perfectly* reconfigure any analog signal if you sample it at twice the frequency. And the best golden ear human hearing is 20Hz-20kHz. So yes, 44kHz covers it. The 16 bit depth is harder to prove mathematically, but an SNR of 96dB is pretty darn awesome. It wasn't a compromise - they implemented the format when the technology was able to produce practically perfect sound, not earlier - and it was very costly at first. Lots of experts and musicians were also there to make sure the format was "perfect", Herbert von Karajan was notoriously perfectionist, for example. And, while I know the theory, to me what matters is listening to music. I have listened to music long enough to know what sounds good or bad... to *me*, and don't need crutches. I go "this is as good as it will ever sound, and boy is the music sweet" - done. I do recall some DDD CDs in the late 80s that sounded horribly sharp to me, but hey, I was glad to never buy vinyl again, and never looked back. Then, very importantly, when I got my first Squeezebox (I think it was 2004 or 2005) and discovered the awesome convenience of streaming music, and merely using my high end CD player (an Accuphase) as a DAC... I spent many, many hours testing and convincing myself there was zero difference between the CD and the streamed flac. I also established the vast majority of recordings didn't even merit flac. I did rip all my jazz and classical CDs to flac no matter what, though, for archive accuracy and because yes, psychologically it mattered to me there was no loss in any way. Jazz and classical is where I really obsess over sound. I also collected R&B and salsa and some hip hop, and for those... 320k is plenty and very often overkill. So that's how I ripped them because it made things more universal when it came to listening to music on early MP3 players that were storage constrained. A decision I have never second guessed. I just checked my library, and I own over 4k albums (all legally too, I like to support my favorite artists or their estate). I'd guess only 30% of them are flac, I's be surprised if even 10% truly deserve to be. And it's not because I buy a lot of crap music, but many albums from even great labels are not recorded with the obsessive, meticulous engineering that allows one to really hear differences. And yes, I do have songs where I can quickly and with 100% accuracy tell if I am listening to the CD-quality or the 320k version of it, but that's more of a party trick, it doesn't impact my enjoyment of the music at all, both sound awesome really. Now - give me 192 and I'll start to raise my eyebrows with such well-engineered tracks... So it's not that I am not discerning, it's simply that I know when I am happy. And convenience is a HUGE factor there - it brought the CD (and its superior sound quality to boot), then the Squeezebox of course... and now Spotify, the library is unbeatable. Queue management bothers me as a purist that wants strict control, especially at home. And honestly, other than for listening at home 320k or sometimes in the office (good headphones and good DAC), even 320k is overkill. I certainly don't really need it when I am in the gym or go for a long walk... but hey it's nice to have. Most importantly though - to each their own when it comes to their ways of enjoying music, more power to all music aficionados and their very own ways. I never tell anyone else how they should enjoy their music, but in turn I don't like to be told I should not enjoy listening to music they way I chose to. ;-) ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
Nice to see this happening. FYI, you can get balance control -- as well as width, loudness, and EQ -- via the Inguz EQ plugin on Windows/Debian server: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109921-Inguz-EQ-DRC Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
bobertuk wrote: > Running latest LMS nightly and SqueezeLite-X on Windows 10 - looked into > Settings/Player/Audio and can't find any reference to balance control on > my Radio (probably no balance expected?), Boom or SqueezeLite player. Am > I missing something? Balance support requires changes to the player as well as LMS For squeezelite you need v1.9.9-1364 or higher and from my builds that's only available for linux picoreplayer 6 and 7, armhf and aarch64 so far. The radio/touch/controller should support it in the future, but not right now. Ralphy *1*-Touch, *5*-Classics, *3*-Booms, *2*-UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmsclients/files/) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezebox%20client%20builds¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
philchillbill wrote: > They only went on to do SACD for marketing reasons, not technical. If > people will buy bottled leprechaun pee then some entrepreneur will > bottle it because there are buyers for it. > > I never understood the fascination with vinyl over CD. Dont people hear > the surface noise of the needle in the groove? The noise floor is > abysmally high with vinyl. But the golden ears accept that as > non-disturbing. Makes one wonder... I like vinyl because of the aesthetic quality of the product, especially the artwork of the sleeve. And the fact that there's some care required to listen to them. Nowadays most LPs come with a download anyway. And I like the rigmarole around playing the records! Probably my views are coloured by the fact that I grew up with vinyl as the best format. When I digitised all my LPs, I found I could remember the circumstances around their purchase in just about every case. Now, some of this reflects my age and interests at the time, but it also reflects an engagement with the format that I never had with CDs. Most music I buy is as a download, the most common physical format I buy is LP - I very rarely buy CDs these days. I have tried hi-res, but cannot perceive a difference over red book CD resolution. And for the subject of this thread, I doubt I would go for Spotify Lossless streaming over the current format. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.0.1/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP6.1.0/LMS8.0.0/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] American album reviews
slartibartfast wrote: > You probably couldn't call a band "Average White Band" today. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk True. :p *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
d6jg wrote: > Careful. > We will all end up downstairs with the audiofools if we are not careful! Amen! *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
ralphy wrote: > Old picoreplayer repository before jivelite support was added to pcp. > Don't use it. > > and > > > > The current jivelite source repository.Thanks Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk atca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56880 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
Running latest LMS nightly and SqueezeLite-X on Windows 10 - looked into Settings/Player/Audio and can't find any reference to balance control on my Radio (probably no balance expected?), Boom or SqueezeLite player. Am I missing something? 2 x Touch 2 x Radio 2 x Boom 1 x Intel-NUC server/squeezelite running LMS 7.92 (from nightlies) on Windows 10 1 X Odroid-XU4 server/squeezelite running LMS 7.91 on Ubuntu 16.04 1 x iMac server running macos Hich Sierra WaveIO USB into Lavry DA-10 DAC Starfish Pre-amp : Based on NAIM NAC 72 Heavily modified NAIM NAP 250 Power-amp Behringer DEQ2496 Linn Isobarik DMS bobertuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30376 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
philchillbill wrote: > They only went on to do SACD for marketing reasons, not technical. If > people will buy bottled leprechaun pee then some entrepreneur will > bottle it because there are buyers for it. > > I never understood the fascination with vinyl over CD. Dont people hear > the surface noise of the needle in the groove? The noise floor is > abysmally high with vinyl. But the golden ears accept that as > non-disturbing. Makes one wonder...They also use a different master for SACD > etc to make absolutely sure you can tell the difference [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
toby10 wrote: > Bigger / newer / faster / more isnt always better. > > You can grow a bigger tomato, but that doesnt make it a better tomato. > You can use a newer and technologically advanced HD TV antenna, but > you wont get a better HD TV picture than your grand parents 1948 TV > antenna. > You can buy a 200 mph Ferrari, but you wont get from London to Paris > any faster than a Honda Civic. > You can have a 100,000 song music library, but that doesnt make it > better music than a 1,000 song library. philchillbill wrote: > They only went on to do SACD for marketing reasons, not technical. If > people will buy bottled leprechaun pee then some entrepreneur will > bottle it because there are buyers for it. > > I never understood the fascination with vinyl over CD. Dont people hear > the surface noise of the needle in the groove? The noise floor is > abysmally high with vinyl. But the golden ears accept that as > non-disturbing. Makes one wonder... Careful. We will all end up downstairs with the audiofools if we are not careful! VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
mcduman wrote: > hi philchillbill, > > i remember that even sony and philips recognized the shortcomings of > the cd format and went on to introduce the sacd. why do you think that > happened? > > anyways, i do not need to mention that i will upgrade to spotify hi-fi > when it is available. i have respect for those who find happiness with > 320k or lower, too. They only went on to do SACD for marketing reasons, not technical. If people will buy bottled leprechaun pee then some entrepreneur will bottle it because there are buyers for it. I never understood the fascination with vinyl over CD. Dont people hear the surface noise of the needle in the groove? The noise floor is abysmally high with vinyl. But the golden ears accept that as non-disturbing. Makes one wonder... philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
PS and it would be much more fun in a Ferrari VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Balance
Ron F. wrote: > Question: does the the SB Touch support the gainL and gainR slimproto > commands? If so, could the balance setting be extended to support the > SBT in addition to squeezelite? I imagine the same question could be > asked about the Transporter too, but I don't have one of those:) Yes the touch can support the Balance feature, not sure about the ip3k players like the transporter. I have been testing it with Squeezeplay and on a touch with the community firmware. Balance support has already been added to my squeezeplay and community firmware sources for the next release. It's a 'one line change' (https://github.com/ralph-irving/squeezeos-squeezeplay/commit/ca4c95dabe1ac99dd1238abe8c5c046d6c3613bd) and a reboot to enable it. I haven't tried it on the official logitech firmware yet but it should work. For those who prefer to continue using the official firmware release I could create a patch installer package to enable itif there's enough interest. Ralphy *1*-Touch, *5*-Classics, *3*-Booms, *2*-UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmsclients/files/) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezebox%20client%20builds¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
d6jg wrote: > Sorry to be pendantic but you would get there marginally faster in a > Ferrari due to its faster acceleration from 0-60 and better brakes > assuming that both vehicles travel at the maximum permitted speed limit. > > Each time there was a speed limit change the Ferrari would gain a few > milliseconds over its rival.Also as Ferrari owner you are more likely to > don't care / afford speeding tickets [emoji14] 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
toby10 wrote: > > You can buy a 200 mph Ferrari, but you wont get from London to Paris > any faster than a Honda Civic. > Sorry to be pendantic but you would get there marginally faster in a Ferrari due to its faster acceleration from 0-60 and better brakes assuming that both vehicles travel at the maximum permitted speed limit. Each time there was a speed limit change the Ferrari would gain a few milliseconds over its rival. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
philchillbill wrote: > I worked as an engineer at Philips CD Lab from 1985-1990 and I can > reassure you that the 74 minutes requirement only directed the choice > for the diameter of the disc (otherwise it would have been a bit smaller > to only handle 60mins of audio like a C60 cassette tape). The desire to > comfortably encode frequencies audible to humans was what drove the > choice for bit-depth and sampling rates, with a little extra headroom > for good measure. The bits/sec put on the actual disc is substantially > higher due to clever techniques like interleaving data and adding > redundancy checksums and such so that errors due to normal scratches can > be completely eradicated. > > Its not that less is good, its that enough is enough. Armstrong didnt > have to shave himself the morning he stepped on the moon because we > couldnt see his stubble from earth when looking up at the moon with our > naked eyes anyway... hi philchillbill, i remember that even sony and philips recognized the shortcomings of the cd format and went on to introduce the sacd. why do you think that happened? anyways, i do not need to mention that i will upgrade to spotify hi-fi when it is available. i have respect for those who find happiness with 320k or lower, too. mcduman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
slartibartfast wrote: > Your link is more about the physical size of the CD to achieve 74 > minutes than the resolution or sampling frequency. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk sorry. 14 -16 bit discussion is in this link. https://www.openculture.com/2018/01/the-story-of-how-beethoven-helped-make-it-so-that-cds-could-play-74-minutes-of-music.html mcduman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Graphic Visualiser
atca wrote: > Any idea on the difference between: > > https://github.com/ralph-irving/tcz-jivelite (this seems to be for > piCorePLayer) Old picoreplayer repository before jivelite support was added to pcp. Don't use it. and atca wrote: > https://github.com/ralph-irving/jivelite The current jivelite source repository. Ralphy *1*-Touch, *5*-Classics, *3*-Booms, *2*-UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmsclients/files/) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezebox%20client%20builds¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
Falling down from 3rd floor on head comment [emoji23] maybe bit harsh as one cannot ever perceive other person experiences as we are all limited by our own senses.. (BTW That's why you get so many freaks in talent shows..) Anyway even when I can get around 70-80% of ab blind tests correctly I completely agree its only tiny tiny details I have to almost strain to find. And guess what.. I don't actually listen to music but to some details of hihat or others instrument which gives away this tiny sq improvement.. That's not whats music is for me.. Its like watching 4k tv demo in shops with some paint colours mixing [emoji23] you watch it for a seconds just for sake of quality. You need to appreciate content instead! So as long as you can hear all instruments selectively you are good to go and able to experience musical ecstasy [emoji23] Even heavily compressed 128 radio stream can make your day wonderful.. If you are not excited with your music it's probably music itself not sound quality.. [emoji14] 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
mcduman wrote: > .. more of every thing in technology from cpu power to screen > resolution is good, whether you need it or not. but when it comes to > audio resolution, less is good. how can this be true? Bigger / newer / faster / more isnt always better. You can grow a bigger tomato, but that doesnt make it a better tomato. You can use a newer and technologically advanced HD TV antenna, but you wont get a better HD TV picture than your grand parents 1948 TV antenna. You can buy a 200 mph Ferrari, but you wont get from London to Paris any faster than a Honda Civic. You can have a 100,000 song music library, but that doesnt make it better music than a 1,000 song library. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
mcduman wrote: > actually, everything about cd format was kind of arbitrary in order to > fit Beethoven's 9th in one single portable cd. > (https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/why-is-a-cd-74-minutes/). it > could have been 14 or 20 bits depending on how much fit in one cd. i am > sure all the engineers from sony and philips from those days are > surprised that whatever they came up with 40 years ago are still the > high watermark of audio technology today. i am, for sure. > > more of every thing in technology from cpu power to screen resolution is > good, whether you need it or not. but when it comes to audio resolution, > less is good. how can this be true? I worked as an engineer at Philips CD Lab from 1985-1990 and I can reassure you that the 74 minutes requirement only directed the choice for the diameter of the disc (otherwise it would have been a bit smaller to only handle 60mins of audio like a C60 cassette tape). The desire to comfortably encode frequencies audible to humans was what drove the choice for bit-depth and sampling rates, with a little extra headroom for good measure. The bits/sec put on the actual disc is substantially higher due to clever techniques like interleaving data and adding redundancy checksums and such so that errors due to normal scratches can be completely eradicated. Its not that less is good, its that enough is enough. Armstrong didnt have to shave himself the morning he stepped on the moon because we couldnt see his stubble from earth when looking up at the moon with our naked eyes anyway... philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
mcduman wrote: > actually, everything about cd format was kind of arbitrary in order to > fit Beethoven's 9th in one single portable cd. > (https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/why-is-a-cd-74-minutes/). it > could have been 14 or 20 bits depending on how much fit in one cd. i am > sure all the engineers from sony and philips from those days are > surprised that whatever they came up with 40 years ago are still the > high watermark of audio technology today. i am, for sure. > > more of every thing in technology from cpu power to screen resolution is > good, whether you need it or not. but when it comes to audio resolution, > less is good. how can this be true?Your link is more about the physical size > of the CD to achieve 74 minutes than the resolution or sampling frequency. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
actually, everything about cd format was kind of arbitrary in order to fit Beethoven's 9th in one single portable cd. (https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/why-is-a-cd-74-minutes/). it could have been 14 or 20 bits depending on how much fit in one cd. i am sure all the engineers from sony and philips from those days are surprised that whatever they came up with 40 years ago are still the high watermark of audio technology today. i am, for sure. more of every thing in technology from cpu power to screen resolution is good, whether you need it or not. but when it comes to audio resolution, less is good. how can this be true? mcduman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
pablolie wrote:
>
> 320k is awesome sound quality.
I agree with all of this, and I shall be resisting the temptation to
fork out more each month for lossless streaming. I suspect Spotify know
all this too, and have previously resisted the move to lossless not
because of the technical challenges, but because it's not necessary.
But like perfectly rational speaker manufacturers having to add an extra
pair of terminals ('buy wiring'), it's one of those things that people
expect, so to maintain market share they have to offer it.
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