Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
sksahai wrote: > Chromecast Audio announced today seems exciting, especially if they can > pull off multiroom audio in the future. > My original squeezebox devices are dying slowly, and an attempt to > replace one with an Android TV box with OrangeSqueeze did not go to > well. No elegant Rasberry Pi solutions out there that are aesthetically > pleasing and cheap. > > I guess it would take some major reprogramming of the squeezebox server > to recognize the chromecast audio player, or an app. > > I am hesitant to let the chromecast audio pull from my SQBX server, as I > have no idea what google collects in terms of data. Not even sure if > sending an audio signal to the cc audio is the same in terms of > privacy. > > Thoughts? > > sksahai I'm intrigued as well. I'm going to buy one and plug it into my aux input... slally's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33031 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
sksahai wrote: > No elegant Rasberry Pi solutions out there that are aesthetically > pleasing and cheap. > Not true IMO. You can get very nice brushed steel cases for the Raspi. Besides, the Chromecasts are not really aesthetically pleasing. There's supposed to be hidden away. You can achieve the same with a Raspi + Vesa mount. As for pricing: Yeah, the Chromecasts are a little cheaper. But they offer less functionality. And you're only getting what Google wants. They tell you it's an open ecosystem but that couldn't be farther from the truth. Selected parts are open. Other parts force you to pay Google with your personal data. Fact is, the Raspi universe is way more open. poing's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63617 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
slally wrote: > I'm intrigued as well. I'm going to buy one and plug it into my aux > input... Just ordered one for testing. Since the Google Play Music plugin unfortunately doesn't work anymore and no-one is developing it further, maybe I'll use this as a workaround. New setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > AKG Hearo 888 Titan (home office), *Boom + Canton ASF 75 SC* (master bedroom), *Boom* (master bathroom), *Radio* (guest bathroom), *RPi + KODI 15 + XSqueeze* > Samsung UE60H6270 > Denon AVR-770SD > Mission 2.1 speakers (living room) - *Classic* > Parasound DAC 1500 > vintage Wega Modul 42V amp (42E equalizer, 42T tape deck + Thorens TD 160 Mk II turntable) > Quadral Vulkan Mk II (music room) wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
I also ordered one. Like the fact that it comes with analogue and spdif output. Main disadvantage over LMS/Squeezelite: no central control app. You use an app for radio, one for Streaming music (Play Music, Spotify, Qobuz apparently coming soon) etc. Also, no idea what kind of DAC they use, and they don't have a compact "Amp" version like the one I use in the cellar and bedroom (Pi + HiFiBerry Amp). We'll see how well it works. CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
usc95 wrote: > I looked at the Rocki but the poor reviews really put me off. Also, the > lack of services and the fact that multi room streaming was still in > beta months after launch led me to not trust the startup that much. > Hopefully with Google's resources they can nail multi-room sync (which > we know is not easy) and this will really be a low cost alternative or > partner with our beloved squeezebox. One cause for concern is what > looks like a lack of FLAC: https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/media > but maybe this for the old Chromecast? It is still early days but I am > hopeful and excited to not have to shell out the big bucks for Sonos. True - the Rocki is rubbish as a stand-alone player. It does work well as a squeezelite player with upnpbridge. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker UPnPBridge - O2 Joggler - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Good to know about the Rocki. Honestly, I am not interested in the Chromecast as a replacement for the squeezebox hardware but rather as a way to maintain access to the music services. We are blessed to have such a talented community developing a number of alternatives for DIY and easy to use replacements for squeezebox players. I use two hacked pogoplugs and Ipeng Playback as players in addition to my hardware squeezeboxes but when mysqueezebox.com goes away I will be disappointed as I love Slacker and Pandora in addition to Triode's Spotify app that I suppose is no longer supported in his absence. That is why I am interested in the Chromecast, just to maintain access to the music services I love when mysqueezebox.com goes away. usc95's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59694 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
usc95 wrote: > Good to know about the Rocki. Honestly, I am not interested in the > Chromecast as a replacement for the squeezebox hardware but rather as a > way to maintain access to the music services. We are blessed to have > such a talented community developing a number of alternatives for DIY > and easy to use replacements for squeezebox players. I use two hacked > pogoplugs and Ipeng Playback as players in addition to my hardware > squeezeboxes but when mysqueezebox.com goes away I will be disappointed > as I love Slacker and Pandora in addition to Triode's Spotify app that I > suppose is no longer supported in his absence. That is why I am > interested in the Chromecast, just to maintain access to the music > services I love when mysqueezebox.com goes away. I only have Deezer - it works fine on squeezeboxes but is useless on the Rocki as a native app. Have to admit I'm not a great fan of the smartphone control apps for any of these devices - much prefer to use my Touch as a controller. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker UPnPBridge - O2 Joggler - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
I am going to get one as well. If someone could develop a plugin that would turn these Chromecasts into Squeezebox playback devices (like Ipeng playback does with airplay devices) then we would be good to continue to use LMS for playback of our local music and any other functioning music services and the Google system for everything else. I am excited for this at this pricepoint but pray it doesn't wind up on Googles trash heap when they lose interest along with the Nexus Q, Google TV etc. usc95's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59694 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
usc95 wrote: > I am going to get one as well. If someone could develop a plugin that > would turn these Chromecasts into Squeezebox playback devices (like > Ipeng playback does with airplay devices) then we would be good to > continue to use LMS for playback of our local music and any other > functioning music services and the Google system for everything else. I > am excited for this at this pricepoint but pray it doesn't wind up on > Googles trash heap when they lose interest along with the Nexus Q, > Google TV etc. What you want already exists: UPnPBridge plugin and a Rocki player. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker UPnPBridge - O2 Joggler - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
I looked at the Rocki but the poor reviews really put me off. Also, the lack of services and the fact that multi room streaming was still in beta months after launch led me to not trust the startup that much. Hopefully with Google's resources they can nail multi-room sync (which we know is not easy) and this will really be a low cost alternative or partner with our beloved squeezebox. One cause for concern is what looks like a lack of FLAC: https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/media but maybe this for the old Chromecast? It is still early days but I am hopeful and excited to not have to shell out the big bucks for Sonos. usc95's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59694 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
usc95 wrote: > I am going to get one as well. If someone could develop a plugin that > would turn these Chromecasts into Squeezebox playback devices (like > Ipeng playback does with airplay devices) then we would be good to > continue to use LMS for playback of our local music and any other > functioning music services and the Google system for everything else. I > am excited for this at this pricepoint but pray it doesn't wind up on > Googles trash heap when they lose interest along with the Nexus Q, > Google TV etc. Well, Squeeze Ctrl on Android already supports Chromecast sticks--but all it does is showing a "now playing" screen on your TV. I'm pretty shure that more is possible. I don't think, Chromecast will be abandoned that soon, the first gen was a big hit. Oh, and the new Nexus Player is an Android TV box that can act as a Squeezebox by installing SqueezePlayer. New setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > AKG Hearo 888 Titan (home office), *Boom + Canton ASF 75 SC* (master bedroom), *Boom* (master bathroom), *Radio* (guest bathroom), *RPi + KODI 15 + XSqueeze* > Samsung UE60H6270 > Denon AVR-770SD > Mission 2.1 speakers (living room) - *Classic* > Parasound DAC 1500 > vintage Wega Modul 42V amp (42E equalizer, 42T tape deck + Thorens TD 160 Mk II turntable) > Quadral Vulkan Mk II (music room) wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > Like the fact that it comes with analogue and spdif output. Up until today, I didn't know that there is something called TOSLINK miniplug and that one can have RCA and that in one port. New setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > AKG Hearo 888 Titan (home office), *Boom + Canton ASF 75 SC* (master bedroom), *Boom* (master bathroom), *Radio* (guest bathroom), *RPi + KODI 15 + XSqueeze* > Samsung UE60H6270 > Denon AVR-770SD > Mission 2.1 speakers (living room) - *Classic* > Parasound DAC 1500 > vintage Wega Modul 42V amp (42E equalizer, 42T tape deck + Thorens TD 160 Mk II turntable) > Quadral Vulkan Mk II (music room) wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
wortgefecht wrote: > Up until today, I didn't know that there is something called TOSLINK > miniplug and that one can have RCA and that in one port. The combo analog/digital jack has been around for several years. Had a Turtle Beach USB DAC with one and recently bought an NAD D3020 that has one. Here's a picture of a TOSLINK-to-mini adapter: [image: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Z%2BxiGguWL._SY355_.jpg] TOSLINK-to-mini cables are also available: [image: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2B%2BieXkXPL.jpg] If Raspberry Pi had one of these it would make using it as a SB player a lot more convenient! Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
The best thing about chromecast audio is to cast audio from android phone / tablet. I didn't achieve to listen youtube video on my squeezebox. Hydro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
I had one of those 3.5mm optical thingies on a Terratec USB soundcard. I used that with my Pi for a while... 😉 CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
If we use that, we can use it to cast from phone or from LMS with upnp right ? Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Hydro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Apesbrain wrote: > The combo analog/digital jack has been around for several years. Had a > Turtle Beach USB DAC with one and recently bought an NAD D3020 that has > one. Here's a picture of a TOSLINK-to-mini adapter: > [image: > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Z%2BxiGguWL._SY355_.jpg] > > TOSLINK-to-mini cables are also available: > [image: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2B%2BieXkXPL.jpg] > If Raspberry Pi had one of these it would make using it as a SB player a > lot more convenient! That's the kind of audio out that's been on Mac minis for years now. I've used that adapter on my Mac mini for digital out with success. gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Personally, I'm wondering if the chromecast audio device will end up being root-able and if someone will successfully compile squeezelite for it. That might make a nice cheap SB replacement. See: http://cord-cutters.wonderhowto.com/how-to/root-your-chromecast-0157253/ gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Actually, the Squeezebox does not need to be replaced at all, but the lacklustre support for streaming services is a big problem. Ickstream MIGHT be able to remedy this, but they seem to be having a hard time making significant progress, probably because their team is too small, and they are not making money out of the project. LMS Plugins CAN work great, look at Qobuz which is pretty tip-top right now thanks to Michaels work, but most services are lagging far behind, especially if the maintainer goes missing (like Triode for Spotify) or there is no open API (Google Play Music). I'm constantly torn, between investing more into Squeezelite based Players, and abandoning the system entirely. Chromecast Audio is nice enough I guess, but the handling will likely never be as neat as the LMS Server/Client system or the Sonos etc. systems. Also, the versatility (Pi + DAC/Digi/Amp) is pretty much unique. Only Sonos can rival it, but their prices are just insane. Well, my Chromecast Audio should be here in about 2 weeks (Google hates everybody outside the US apparently) and then I'll take a closer look. CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Qobuz has added Google Cast/Chromecast support to their Android app. CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
I ordered one last week fully expecting to wait a long time only to get an email telling me it is shipping today, I think it will go a long way to simplifying audio - I have 6 SBs linked to a Pi & the complexity in keeping it all going, sync-ing, plug-ins has been tedious - especially when the BBC changes went through a while back. If this is as simple as the 1st gen device (I have one) then I see this being a winner, especially when you can sync them. No need for plug-ins, just use one of the supported music apps and cast - even my family should be able to manage that (they don't get the whole SB concept). cottinghamm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Now we know what's inside the Chromecast Audio https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Chromecast+2015+Teardown/50189 Looks decent enough to my untrained eye... CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > Now we know what's inside the Chromecast Audio > https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Chromecast+2015+Teardown/50189 > > Looks decent enough to my untrained eye... Is this a decent DAC ? AKM AK4430 192kHz 24-Bit Stereo DAC George Transporter->Pathos Logos->Triangle Celius Touch->Yamaha RX-V673 -> Paradigm Monitor 7 2 Duets, 1 Boom, 1 SB3, 1 Touch, 1 Radio, Transporter Nexus 5 -> Sennheiser HD 380 Pro 2 servers -> Ubuntu Linux, Zotac ZBOX-CA320NANO-P and Desktop hardware matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
matka wrote: > Is this a decent DAC ? > > AKM AK4430 192kHz 24-Bit Stereo DAC Yes. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Anyone got theirs yet? CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
I got mine today. It sounds pretty to good to my old ears. I like being able to use the Spotify app directly to control playback as I really enjoy their new(ish) discovery section that was not accessible on Triode's plugin. It is comforting for me to know that when mysqueezebox.com goes away I will easily be able to continue listening to most of the music services I enjoy now. I plan on experimenting with the UPnPBridge plugin to see if it will allow LMS to play my local music to it. Right now I am not sure what is the best way to accomplish that but of course the squeezebox will continue to perform that duty just fine. usc95's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59694 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > Anyone got theirs yet? I picked a Chromecast Audio up at Best Buy today. Within minutes I had it streaming Spotify. With a bit of searching I found the Localcast app on the Android store and installed it. I then enabled the DLNA server capability of LMS and a few minutes later I was streaming from my network music library. I have the Chromecast connected to my Burson DAC/amp using a digital optical cable, right next to my Touch connected via USB. Initial comparison says the Chromecast sounds pretty similar but further time is needed to know for sure. It certainly doesn't sound bad. A while back I borrowed a similar cast-enabled DLNA device called Beep from my son and was able to "turn it into a Squeezebox" using squeeze2upnp. It worked just like a Squeezebox. Able to control it from any Squeezbox controller or app. The Beep had fairly poor sound quality so I didn't pursue it any further. I expect to be able to do the same squeeze2upnp thing with the Chromecast but won't have time to experiment until Saturday. I can report back if others are interested. markbrauer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > Anyone got theirs yet? I picked a Chromecast Audio up at Best Buy today. Within minutes I had it streaming Spotify. With a bit of searching I found the Localcast app on the Android store and installed it. I then enabled the DLNA server capability of LMS and a few minutes later I was streaming from my network music library. I have the Chromecast connected to my Burson DAC/amp using a digital optical cable, right next to my Touch connected via USB. Initial comparison says the Chromecast sounds pretty similar but further time is needed to know for sure. It certainly doesn't sound bad. A while back I borrowed a similar cast-enabled DLNA device called Beep from my son and was able to "turn it into a Squeezebox" using squeeze2upnp. It worked just like a Squeezebox. Able to control it from any Squeezbox controller or app. The Beep had fairly poor sound quality so I didn't pursue it any further. I expect to be able to do the same squeeze2upnp thing with the Chromecast but won't have time to experiment until Saturday. I can report back if others are interested. markbrauer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
That's actually a perfect plan!!! I just set up Squeeze2Upnp, and it works perfectly with my AMP, meaning I son't need the Pi in the lounge anymore...if it works with the Chromecast Audio as well, then that means I can keep LMS, but still use the Chromecast devices to stream from LMS (webradio and Qobuz for example) and still cast from Chrome or Android with apps like "Play Music". This is pretty much perfect! The Squeeze2Upnp Plugin was something I always ignored so far since I saw little advantage in using it, now I know better. I handles HighRes streams from Qobuz fine btw., so no trouble there either. Is the Chromecast Audio fully compatible with DLNA! Or does it need some workarounds or anything? CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Chromecast Audio has a nice price, presumably because Google is setting the price based on a mixed calculation (you don't just generate revenue by purchasing the hardware, but also by using more Google services). IMO, the way to exploit the cheap hardware is by hacking it. Google Cast's strength is it's polish and ease-of-use. But I presume it lacks many of the advanced features I like about the Squeeze ecosystem. Does the Chromecast Audio, when used in conjunction with Squeeze2Upnp, support (i) tight synchronization, (ii) ReplayGain, (iii) gapless playback, etc.? If it doesn't, I don't find the device all that exciting. Although, you know what would be really cool? Squeezelite running on a rooted Chromecast Audio! poing's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63617 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
poing wrote: > Does the Chromecast Audio, when used in conjunction with Squeeze2Upnp, > support (i) tight synchronization, (ii) ReplayGain, (iii) gapless > playback, etc.? And is it bit-perfect so it will work with DTS and AC-3? atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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poing wrote: > Although, you know what would be really cool? Squeezelite running on a > rooted Chromecast Audio! Unlikely since users have not been able to root existing Chromecasts with recent firmware. It seems only Chromecast with old not-upadted firmeare have been rooted. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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@bpa I really hope it's possible to do that. Google just confirmed that you can't use the Chromecast Audio as DLNA receiver directly. I'm no dev, so I have no clue how you'd go about streaming to Chromecast from anything but Android/Chrome/iOS If it is possible though, it would make installing Players for LMS a breeze, since you get a complete package, DAC, optical out, all neatly wrapped and packed. And of course WiFi ac... CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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CommanderROR wrote: > @bpa > I really hope it's possible to do that. Google just confirmed that you > can't use the Chromecast Audio as DLNA receiver directly. > I'm no dev, so I have no clue how you'd go about streaming to Chromecast > from anything but Android/Chrome/iOS > > If it is possible though, it would make installing Players for LMS a > breeze, since you get a complete package, DAC, optical out, all neatly > wrapped and packed. And of course WiFi ac... AFAICT Chromecast doe not run Linux they run a version of ChromeOS so there is a no SDK. This make would make it difficult to port Squeezelite. The other choice would require somebody to port Linux to Chromecast hardware - another non trivial task when there is no documentation on the h/w. If Chromecast could be rooted or have Linux ported onto it - it would have been done already for the existing Chromecast. I don't think Google will support Chromecast Audo as a DLNA renderer as it is not part of the architecture - audio shoudl be cast by a DLNA renderer running on an Android system/tv/phone or similar. As a test last year - I've ported Squeezelite as a Chrome Native Client (i.e. runs natively under Chrome) which can then cast audio easily but Chrome only supports 48/44.1 16bit. wrt Chromecast capabilities - IIRC Google said in a recent PR they hoped to do synced audio from multiple chromecasts next year. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The Rocki player has analog output BUT works out of the box with upnpbridge costs about the same as the CA Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker UPnPBridge - O2 Joggler - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers UPnPBridge - Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8 speaker Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I believe the most realistic route would not be to modify the Chromecast, but to teach LMS (or rather a LMS Plugin) the Cast Protocol. Pretty much like BubbleUpnp that can send data to pretty much everything, including Chromecast devices. Problem is, that's on Android, no idea how "open" the Cast protocol is, and whether it can be applied in a useful form from LMS... CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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CommanderROR wrote: > I believe the most realistic route would not be to modify the > Chromecast, but to teach LMS (or rather a LMS Plugin) the Cast Protocol. > Pretty much like BubbleUpnp that can send data to pretty much > everything, including Chromecast devices. Problem is, that's on Android, > no idea how "open" the Cast protocol is, and whether it can be applied > in a useful form from LMS... The Chrome browser can also cast and that is why I tested porting a Squeezelite player as a Chrome Native native client (i.e. it runs within a Chrome web page tab and same cleint runs on Windows, OSX and Linux - also on Chromebook) - the downside was that the Chrome Audio is limited to 44.1/48. Google "cast" docs can be found here but they are mainly centered around sending audio to a Google Chromecast. https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/reference/ Personally I think Chromecast Audio is dead end for LMS - too much reverse engineering is needed to get a basic solution which can be undone at a stroke by Google. A Pi packaged with a DAC running PicoPlayer is a more maintainable long term solution but it is not a ready neat package for non technical end users. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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@bpa You're probably right, I saw a project on Github that is apparently working on Protocol V2, but not sure how stable or useful that is. I thought for a moment, that BubbleUpnp Server might help, but I'm not entirely sure how it works, and whether it would serve this purpose at all. Well anyway, it can't hurt to look into it, if it turns out to be impossible (which is likely), then so be it... ;) The charm of Chromecast is, that you could use it for LMS and also with various streaming apps on Chrome/Android/iOS. 2in1 basically... :D CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm new to this "casting" stuff as of yesterday but I'm learning fast. As I reported earlier, I have experimented running cast capable apps, Spotify and LocalCast, with good success. But then I noticed that my Android phone has an overall casting control. I turned it on and the cast icon appears in the notification area at the top of the screen. Figuring I had nothing to loose I fired up Squeeze Player and Orangesqueeze, selected my phone as the player, and sure enough my LMS library is available for casting and control. Just like a "real" Squeezebox. And the Triode Spotify app works too. It seems that the music is actually being cast from the Squeeze Player app on the phone and not from LMS running on my network. I close OrangeSqueeze and the music continues. I turn off Squeeze Player and the music stops. Turn it back on and it starts again. If I lose WiFi on the phone the music stops. So it's definitely being channeled through the phone. With the LocalCast app, once you start the stream from the phone you can shut down the app, leave WiFi coverage, or shut the phone off and the music keeps streaming from the network server. I have no idea how routing the data through the phone affects the bit rate delivered to the DAC . Those with knowledge of the inner workings of the Squeezebox system may be able to shed light on this. All I can say is that playing music this way, the sound quality of the digital-out of the Chromecast seems on par with the digital-out of the Touch. My phone is a Nexus 5 that just updated to Android 6. I installed the Google Cast app to set up the Chromecast and I suspect that is where the phone's seemingly innate casting ability came from. Not sure if all Androids have this capability. I still intend to experiment with squeeze2upnp to get the Chromecast to be even more like a "real" Squeezebox. markbrauer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I have tested my Chromecast Audio and it works really well - it seems most people here are aiming to use this within their SB ecosystem, I'd like to think that the CA can replace the whole thing making it all a lot easier to use. Once the devices can be sync'd then I see no reason to try & shoehorn the cast devices into LMS, other than for the sake of trying it out. I've invested a lot of time, money and love into my LMS/SB environment over the years, but time moves on cottinghamm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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@cottingham I think there are several reasons to use LMS with Chromecast, instead of just Chromecast alone. First one is all about ease-of-use. LMS lets us control everything from within a single app. This is very straightforward and comfortable. If I want to listen to a track on Qobuz, then I just select it and hit Play, if I want to change over to webradio, no big deal. On Chromecast I have to open the app, connect it to the CC I want to use, wait for it to connect, then start streaming. If I want to change from Streaming to Radio, then I have to open another app, connect to CC etc. Much more hassle. If I want to use local music, then it's a different app again. Changing Players, Syncing them etc is also less intuitive than on LMS, at least at the moment. Another thing is "Start Playing" that I love on LMS/PiCorePlayer. I just turn on the power on my Player, and the music starts. No need to use my Smartphone at all. Then there is Legacy support and Compatibility. We've all invested into this Ecosystem already. With Chromecast Audio, I could augment that, adding it in places where I already have active speakers. The places where I have passive speakers are better served with the RaspberryPi/Hifiberry Amp combination, as this is the slimmest system. Only one power lead, no fuss, no hassle, and Volume Control right from my LMS Control app. With Chromecast Audio I'd have to buy an Amp, connect the CC to it, then I've got more devices, more cables, less ease-of-use. Well, that's my take on the affair. Of course, if Google gets serious about Music Streaming and starts opying Sonos (Central Control app with Plugins, devices for different puropses) then things might look different. Time will tell! CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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If Chromecast Audio will mirror the iPhone, would it be possible to stream SiriusXM? This stream would be via the SiriusXM app on the iPhone. Ikabob Squeezebox Touch w/LMS V7.7.3; Benchmark DAC1 USB;Marantz Pre-amp; SAE Amplifier;ESS Heil Speakers(main listening speakers plus various additional speakers). Multiple players: SqueezeBooms,SqueezeRadios; SB3; Services:Rhapsody;Slacker;RadioTunes;Spotify (+Triode's Plugin) Sirius.com;CalmRadio Ipeng remote controller. Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ikabob wrote: > If Chromecast Audio will mirror the iPhone, would it be possible to > stream SiriusXM? This stream would be via the SiriusXM app on the > iPhone. On my system (below) , where would the Chromecast Audio be > connected to stream to the main system? Thank you. AFAIK, the SiriusXM app on Android does not support Chromecast natively (yet), so I'm pretty sure, the iOS app doesn't either. But according to the Google Forums, you can open the SiriusXM stream in Chrome on your desktop and stream from there. Also, 'according to this' (https://listenercare.siriusxm.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6589/~/does-the-siriusxm-app-work-with-airplay-on-my-apple-device%3F), SiriusXM on iPhone supports AirPlay, so you could stream that to LMS with plugin, no? New setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > AKG Hearo 888 Titan (home office), *Boom + Canton ASF 75 SC* (master bedroom), *Boom* (master bathroom), *Radio* (guest bathroom), *RPi + KODI 15 + XSqueeze* > Samsung UE60H6270 > Denon AVR-770SD > Mission 2.1 speakers (living room) - *Classic* > Parasound DAC 1500 > vintage Wega Modul 42V amp (42E equalizer, 42T tape deck + Thorens TD 160 Mk II turntable) > Quadral Vulkan Mk II (music room) wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
bpa wrote: > AFAICT Chromecast doe not run Linux they run a version of ChromeOS so > there is a no SDK. This make would make it difficult to port > Squeezelite. The other choice would require somebody to port Linux to > Chromecast hardware - another non trivial task when there is no > documentation on the h/w. Just to be precise - ChromeOS is Linux (gentoo-based), but stripped-down to a thin client, so missing most of Linux user space tools and libraries. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ikabob wrote: > On my system (below) , where would the Chromecast Audio be connected to > stream to the main system? Thank you. As I see it - there are two main scenarios where Chromecast Audio can be used with LMS. How it is set up will probably depend on whether the user consider LMS to be the dominant or secondary audio source and/or whether the speakers being used will be shared by LMS and other audio source (e.g. cast, bluetooth) 1. Attached to speakers directly or through an AMP (e.g. digital in or line in). Audio will come from Android system - LMS audio would need to use DLNA renderer on Android system. 2. Attached to the system running LMS connected to a analog line in (analog) or digital in and use WAVIN to send cast audio stream through LMS to SB players. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ikabob wrote: > If Chromecast Audio will mirror the iPhone, would it be possible to > stream SiriusXM? This stream would be via the SiriusXM app on the > iPhone. On my system (below) , where would the Chromecast Audio be > connected to stream to the main system? Thank you. The Google Chromecast app on my Android (also available for iOS), when activated, seems to cast any and all audio whether played from an app or in the browser. If video is involved it is displayed on the phone. It works that way with the YouTube app, and with Vevo in the browser. Also works with videos on cnet. Those with Apple devices should be able to confirm how it works in that environment. markbrauer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm not sure how much I will be relying on the Chromecast in my music listening. I was pretty excited to get mine a few days ago and after playing with it the last few days I much prefer the centralization and organization of the squeezebox system. I switch between my radio favorites, slacker favorites, local music and spotify quite frequently during the course of a day (I work from home with music on constantly) and while doable on the Chromecast it is not as elegant as using Ipeng to control my squeezebox. Also, I have yet to find a solution for local music playback (with IOS) that is acceptable. Right now the only real way I have seen is with Plex and the lack of gapless playback is not acceptable to me. It seems like right now Android users have an advantage if using the method that Markbrauer described in post #39 but for IOS users things are pretty clunky. I am thankful to have a cheap way to add music services to my various listening areas but will stick with Squeezebox for everything else. usc95's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59694 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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An update as of Saturday morning. I did activate squeeze2upnp and indeed, as CommanderROR's research predicted, the Chromecast is not found as a DLNA device. So, at least for now, the dream of an inexpensive "real" Squeezebox is not happening. Casting from separate Android apps is very unsatisfying. Really makes one miss the unified interface the Squeezebox system provides. Most promising is using Squeeze Player to cast from a phone (post #39). But doing this last night took my phone battery from near-fully-charged to nearly-dead in about two hours. Never had a phone lose charge so fast. Evidently casting takes juice! But, if one was willing to get a cheap cast-capable Android (locally MetroPCS offers a no contract LG Leon LTE running 5.0 Lollipop for $29) and dedicate it to music player duties, one could put together an "almost-a-real-Squeezebox" device. Lets see - $35 for the Chromecast Audio - $29 for the phone - Squeeze Player is free - that's $64 total. Both the phone and Chromecast would need constant power, but the so does a Touch. Use another phone as controller, or any other Squeezebox control. Could work. markbrauer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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markbrauer wrote: > An update as of Saturday morning. > > I did activate squeeze2upnp and indeed, as CommanderROR's research > predicted, the Chromecast is not found as a DLNA device. So, at least > for now, the dream of an inexpensive "real" Squeezebox is not > happening. > > Casting from separate Android apps is very unsatisfying. Really makes > one miss the unified interface the Squeezebox system provides. > > Most promising is using Squeeze Player to cast from a phone (post #39). > But doing this last night took my phone battery from near-fully-charged > to nearly-dead in about two hours. Never had a phone lose charge so > fast. Evidently casting takes juice! But, if one was willing to get a > cheap cast-capable Android (locally MetroPCS offers a no contract LG > Leon LTE running 5.0 Lollipop for $29) and dedicate it to music player > duties, one could put together an "almost-a-real-Squeezebox" device. > Lets see - $35 for the Chromecast Audio - $29 for the phone - Squeeze > Player is free - that's $64 total. Both the phone and Chromecast would > need constant power, but the so does a Touch. Use another phone as > controller, or any other Squeezebox control. Could work. or just get a Rocki which works with upnpbridge ? Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker UPnPBridge - O2 Joggler - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers UPnPBridge - Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8 speaker Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: > or just get a Rocki which works with upnpbridge ? What attracted me to the Chromecast Audio is the digital output and ability to handle hi-res files - just like my Touch. And it does match the outstanding performance of the Touch through my DAC/amp. I tried the similar Beep device (thisisbeep.com - now defunct) in the past. Beep did work with upnpbridge, but the analog output from the built-in DAC was not even close to the Touch. The Rocki is also analog only. According to the one review I found that mentioned sound quality, the Rocki's analog output was characterized as "better than an iPhone" but "not up to audiophile standards" and I couldn't find anything documenting it's bit-rate capabilities. I guess that makes me an audiophile. Maybe if they had actually built the $89 digital output Rocki... markbrauer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
markbrauer wrote: > What attracted me to the Chromecast Audio is the digital output and > ability to handle hi-res files - just like my Touch. And it does match > the outstanding performance of the Touch through my DAC/amp. I tried the > similar Beep device (thisisbeep.com - now defunct) in the past. Beep did > work with upnpbridge, but the analog output from the built-in DAC was > not even close to the Touch. The Rocki is also analog only. According to > the one review I found that mentioned sound quality, the Rocki's analog > output was characterized as "better than an iPhone" but "not up to > audiophile standards" and I couldn't find anything documenting it's > bit-rate capabilities. > > I guess that makes me an audiophile. > > Maybe if they had actually built the $89 digital output Rocki... My ears are shot, so I can't really detect much difference! Pity the Rocki 2 hasn't appeared. The best device I've tried is a Sonos - very versatile as a squeezeplayer or in its native guise. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker UPnPBridge - O2 Joggler - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers UPnPBridge - Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8 speaker Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: > My ears are shot, so I can't really detect much difference! Pity the > Rocki 2 hasn't appeared. > > The best device I've tried is a Sonos - very versatile as a > squeezeplayer or in its native guise. Since you have tried many devices - there are a number of rocki like products (Neet airstream, digifunk ..) - AFAICT one has digital out - Soundmate Wm201 http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00SKW4664?psc=1 or the real vendor http://ezmusic.cn/product/ . No idea about the quality but iseem to do DLNA but not Chromecast bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Worst case: we have to port LMS to ChromeOS, then we can cast to Chromecast... ;) CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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CommanderROR wrote: > Worst case: we have to port LMS to ChromeOS, then we can cast to > Chromecast... ;) I have a Chromebook so I'm all for that! Sadly the "we" in porting doesn't include me. markbrauer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Or me... 😉 CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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CommanderROR wrote: > Or me... 😉 Yup, I have a unused Chromebox collecting dust here. Would make a nice server for LMS :) New setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > AKG Hearo 888 Titan (home office), *Boom + Canton ASF 75 SC* (master bedroom), *Boom* (master bathroom), *Radio* (guest bathroom), *RPi + KODI 15 + XSqueeze* > Samsung UE60H6270 > Denon AVR-770SD > Mission 2.1 speakers (living room) - *Classic* > Parasound DAC 1500 > vintage Wega Modul 42V amp (42E equalizer, 42T tape deck + Thorens TD 160 Mk II turntable) > Quadral Vulkan Mk II (music room) wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Any chance this might help? https://github.com/xat/castnow CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Or this? https://www.npmjs.com/package/chromecast-osx-audio yahmmu's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34492 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
I received mine just now. Power consumption is pretty low, between 1w and 1.5w. Controlling it is a bit different than on LMS of course, but I already knew that. There is a setting called "High Dynamic Range" which I guess means "turn off normalisation...it's a bit worrying that Range Compression is turned on by default... Apart from that there is little to say so early on. I just plugged it in and it works. I also got 90 Days Play Music for free, which is cool. I'm using the analogue out right now, because the Optical port is currently occupied by a Pi... 😉 Will let you know more about it once I test more. CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
One HUGE plus for Chromecast Audio: Google Play Music support. I really hope we'll get this via ickstream or some other means eventually. I really love Qobuz for their wonderful, lossless audio quality, but Play Music is such a joy to use. Useful Playlists, dynamic radio stations that stay within the selected genre etc... This is the way Music Streaming SHOULD work IMHO! CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Just got the shipping notification from Google. Mine should arrive any day now :) New setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > AKG Hearo 888 Titan (home office), *Boom + Canton ASF 75 SC* (master bedroom), *Boom* (master bathroom), *Radio* (guest bathroom), *RPi + KODI 15 + XSqueeze* > Samsung UE60H6270 > Denon AVR-770SD > Mission 2.1 speakers (living room) - *Classic* > Parasound DAC 1500 > vintage Wega Modul 42V amp (42E equalizer, 42T tape deck + Thorens TD 160 Mk II turntable) > Quadral Vulkan Mk II (music room) wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
My preliminary verdict: The Chromecast Audio is a wonderful piece of hardware. It could benefit from some better powersaving (power in idle is the same as when streaming...) but it's not much either way, so no big worries. Sound quality seems fine, but I haven't done any in-depth testing yet. It seems to have no trouble with 24/192 content from Qobuz (playing via Analogue Out, so using the built-in DAC). Connection seems stable, but I did not do any extensive testing yet. It's basically like a Raspberry Pi with HiFiBerry DAC and Digi, all in one with a neat little case (that thing is tiny!!!) and PSU for much less money than the Pi with accessories. What really makes this less than optimal for me though, is the fact that it heavily relies on my Phone. I've currently got my LMS/Picoreplayer system set up to just start playing the last selected Playlist or Radio Station when I turn it on. So, basically I cut power, then it's off, I turn on the power, then it's on and continues where it left off. With the Chromecast, there is no button to press on the device to pause or stop, and there is no option to resume (at the moment). So, as soon as I turned off the music or left the WiFi, next time I have to take out my phone, navigate to the app, wait for the Chromecase Icon to show up, tap it, select my Chromecast, tapt Connect, wait for it to connect, then select what I want to play. That's a huge amount of stuff that I don't really want to handle every time I start or stop music. I hope Google implements some kind of "Pause and Resume" function so that the CC picks up the last station or PL it was Playing when it goes back online. However, for that to work it needs to store that info somewhere, so it would need a "Server" which is does not have, so no idea how that could work. Really, the LMS infrastructure is way superior to this, sadly support for Streaming Services isn't good, and likely won't get better. That's why it would be perfect, if we could use the CC in conjunction with LMS, but that is probably as unlikely to happen as official Play Music Support for LMS... :( CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Not convinced that CA is for you as a squeezebox user? Then, consider the Rocki (see the latest blog update on developments: http://www.myrocki.com/blog/fall-update/ ) 2 immediate pros: it can work as a squeezeplayer via the upnpbridge plugin, has on/off power switch. I get the impression that the CA is so tied-down that it'll only ever work with Google's services Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker UPnPBridge - O2 Joggler - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers UPnPBridge - Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8 speaker Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm not sure about the Rocki, I've read a lot of very bad stuff about their Hardware and Software... They'll have to show some progress there. Also, the Rocki does not really solved our biggest problem: Support for Streaming Services. Google made sure t have the major players onboard, and I think pretty much everyone will jump on the train in time, so we won't be left in the cold. CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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CommanderROR wrote: > I'm not sure about the Rocki, I've read a lot of very bad stuff about > their Hardware and Software... > They'll have to show some progress there. Also, the Rocki does not > really solved our biggest problem: Support for Streaming Services. > Google made sure t have the major players onboard, and I think pretty > much everyone will jump on the train in time, so we won't be left in the > cold. Yes, the Rocki software is awful - they seem to be addressing that. Streaming is a case of 'swings & roundabouts' - all the standard interfaces have their quirks (eg. Deezer Favorite Albums - no way to sort by genre), especially on LMS. But the smartphone apps are also fiddly to use). I'm used the classic squeezeplay interface - simple to use, and consistent across all the later devices. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker UPnPBridge - O2 Joggler - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers UPnPBridge - Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8 speaker Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
apologies if this was posted already: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/googles-new-chromecasts-ingenious-cheap-pucks-135300784.html Using: Win7 64 and LMS 7.8 & Duet with ipads and the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
This post is long and a more of a brain dump to help others think about and discuss the issue. I've done a bit of investigation into Chromecast to see what sort of solution is possible and whether it would be usable. As background I've had an original Chromecast for a few years and I've ordered a Chromecast Audio. As I see it Chromecast Audio is interesting to LMS users because for non technical users it is a low cost standalone piece of hardware that can provide over wifi/ethernet - audio out at hires both digital and analogue, unlike the alternatives such as Raspberry Pi with Additional DAC and downloaded s/w which need "assembly". Making use of Chromecast Audio with LMS can be done in two ways 1. change Chromecast Audio device into a Squeezelite type player - this would require rewriting the device software i.e. rooting it. 2. enable LMS to send compatible audio to standard Chromecast. Early Chromecast devices could be be rooted but current ones cannot. Since Google have taken steps to prevent rooting it is not a good long term approach. So putting a version of Squeezelite onto Chromecast is not practical - it doesn't matter what OS is running. Enabling LMS to send Chromecast compatible streams is a better solution for many reason - since there are other "cast players" - it seems to be feasible - Google is unlikely to take steps to stop it as the "cast players" are using documented interfaces - the approach will work with all Chromecast enable devices not just Audio i.e. Gen 1 & 2 Chromecast for TV, Chromecast enabled TVs (e.g. Sony) and speakers (e.g. Sony & LG Flow) I'm not sure if anybody has tested the suggested "cast player" noted in earlier posts but they are written in Javascript and use node.js and npm. To get them going required loading up a lot of packages and even then some didn't work as they were out of date (i.e. API used had been deprecated). I don't believe these packages and Node.js are a good basis for a LMS solution. To get to understand Chromecast underpinnings - I've played around with PyChromecast - a Python based "cast player" and it was easier to set up. The message format used by Chromecast is Google Protocol Buffers (aka Protobuf) which serializes structured data. To help encode/decode messages there is a special Protobuf compiler which supports C++, Java and Python. Other languages such as Perl may be supported by 3rd parties but Perl work stopped in 2011 and it is not clear if the Perl support is complete. A Chromecast player is basically a browser which runs a single page. Like a browser page it has background, text and multimedia elements such as video or audio. The Chromecast application is in two parts a Cast Sender and a Cast Receiver. A Cast Receiver is an application created using HTML, Javascript and CSS. It is loaded onto a Cast device (for example, a Chromecast) through a URL that is accessible over the network to which the Cast device is connected. There is a basic Default Receiver which can play a media item and show text. Custom Receiver apps can be defined (e.g. fancy background , DRM) but they must be registered with Google and the Custom Receiver app is loaded from a specific server. Since receivers are loaded from Specific servers - it seems the Chromecast will only work if connected to Internet. All media played or shown by a Chromecast device is obtained from a server using http. A command line (i.e. not using Android or Chrome) Cast Sender application can tell a Chromecast device to load a specific Receiver application and then it will interact with the receiver to play media and change what is displayed. For basic use with LMS on a Chromecast Audio device the Default Receiver app is sufficient and so there is no need to develop a Custom Receiver app. The Cast Sender Application can tell the Cast Receiver told to play an URL for a file or an audio stream with relevant cover art and title text and if compatible Receiver will play it without any further interaction with the Sender - just requesting data from a HTTP server. This is a bit like using Local Player which plays the file directly rather askign for LMS to send the files. I don't think this mode is suitable for use with LMS as there are unsupported formats (e.g. WMA) and probably other issues. It seems that LMS support Sender will have to provide a http server and request an appropriate HTTP stream from LMS and tell Receiver to play it augmented by metadata (artwork,Track info, Artist etc). It is possible the current uPNP support in LMS might help but only if the Protobuf Perl support is adequate - otherwise providing a Sender app written in C++ or Python interacting with LMS could prove to be a challenging mash-up. As I see it now, more investigation is needed but it is on the LMS side - mainly determining how to create the http stream that the Chromecast device will play and how to interact with LMS as a SB player. --
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
bpa wrote: > This post is long and a more of a brain dump to help others think about > and discuss the issue. > > I've done a bit of investigation into Chromecast to see what sort of > solution is possible and whether it would be usable. Very interesting. I've been giving some thought to what I will switch to when the SB is no longer viable and this device is high on my list. My current LMS usage consists of: - Spotify (using Triode's plugin) - Local music (just a small library of things not on Spotify) - Tunein - Multi player sync is very important to me. If I replaced all my players with Chromecast Audio devices, I'm not sure why I'd want to continue using LMS at all. What are the key features that would make me want to keep LMS? Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Mark Miksis wrote: > Very interesting. I've been giving some thought to what I will switch > to when the SB is no longer viable and this device is high on my list. > My current LMS usage consists of: > - Spotify (using Triode's plugin) > - Local music (just a small library of things not on Spotify) > - Tunein > - Multi player sync is very important to me. > > If I replaced all my players with Chromecast Audio devices, I'm not sure > why I'd want to continue using LMS at all. What are the key features > that would make me want to keep LMS? Oops. Forgot to mention that the plan would be to move the local library to Google Play Music. Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mark Miksis wrote: > If I replaced all my players with Chromecast Audio devices, I'm not sure > why I'd want to continue using LMS at all. What are the key features > that would make me want to keep LMS? If you replaced all your SB players - I agree it makes no sense. This thread started by user hypothesising about using the Chrombebix hardware and replacing the s/w - besides not being possible at the moment some very odd ideas were suggested (put LMS on Chromecast !!) so I wanted to ground the thread into reaility about what could be achieved. The only use case I can see is where a user has a number of SB players but say wants some speakers in Kitchen ( but has no spare SB player). The Kitchen speakers will also be used by partner, kids etc from their devices. Bluetooth speakers have quality issues as well as connectivity. So using Chromecast Audio - the Kitchen speakers can be used to play LMS or audio from other sources such as phones or tablets. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > If you replaced all your SB players - I agree it makes no sense. Ah, now I see! Makes sense now. I'm curious, do you think your solution would have reliable sync? Either between chromecast players or between heterogenous players? I'm anxious to see how well the future sync feature from Google works. Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
@bpa Thanks for your analysis. I think "Casting" from LMS to Chromecast Audio is the only thing that makes sense. The "point" of it would be a) Having cheap, compact and high-quality SB Hardware b) Having a solution for streaming services that LMS does not fully support (like Google Music) About the advantages of LMS ovet CC: At the current time LMS is much nicer and easier to use, since the Server-Client Setup offers a number of advantages over the Smartphone-CC approach. To get music playing it currently takes quite a few action for Chromecast, while LMS needs just one. This might change over time. Sync will probably be a problem with LMS - CC implementation, just like with Squeeze2upnp, so if that's your main target, then this is probably not for you. However, Multiroom functionality for CC is currently almost nonexistent, and it is unclear how Google plans to implement it without some type of "Server" in the setup. Currently the best you get it multiple CC devices playing the same radio/stream, but no differet zones, grouping and ungrouping, stereo pairs, surround setups etc. CC for Audio is still in early stages, and will likely only show it's true potential in a few months...or not... 😉 CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mark Miksis wrote: > Ah, now I see! Makes sense now. > > I'm curious, do you think your solution would have reliable sync? > Either between chromecast players or between heterogenous players? I'm > anxious to see how well the future sync feature from Google works. There would be no sync between Chromecast and SB player. I expect if an API compliant proper Cast Sender is implemented then Chromecast "sync" would be available. AFAICT but haven't found the exact quote Google have said they will support multi room on Chromecast Audio but not just yet (i.e.sometime in the future). I expect this means same audio output of multiple Chromecast Audio devices. Not sure if the term "synchronised" was used by Google or just the reviewers. How Chromecast Audio will implement proper "synchronisation" would be interesting but with TCP/IP interconnection it's not impossible as Sonos have done it. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > T > > As I see it now, more investigation is needed but it is on the LMS side > - mainly determining how to create the http stream that the Chromecast > device will play and how to interact with LMS as a SB player. To a large extend, this is what I do with squeeze2upnp, as you know. It shows LMS a proper squeezelite instance, receives the audio data, buffer it locally and then offer to UPnP players a web server where they simply 'GET' this buffered audio data with a bit of header addition/byte order manipulation. Then it also does the control command / feedback translation between LMS 'protocol' and UPnP 'protocol' (pause, stop, seek, timing, metadata, format negotiation, volume, next track handling). I wish in reality this is a simple as that, as their are many nasty details, but the principle remains valid So, re-creating an HTTP stream for the chromecast device from the LMS sent data would be very simple for me. What I don't know is how complicated the control part is. For audio format translation, at the beginning I thought about doing decoding/encoding inside squeeze2unp and the possibility is still here, but I decided to focus on the mode where sq2u is more a simple forwarder of audio data and let the LMS do the transcoding. This to say that indicating to LMS what codecs are supported based on chromecast device so that only acceptable format are sent is easy as well. LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
One draw of using Chromecast is the support for new cloud services, an area in which LMS is falling behind. As CommanderROR said, in his opinion, the LMS usage model is preferable than jumping from app to app for Chromecast. If Chromecast works with LMS as a player as you gave described above, will that open up a new kind of plugin that can front any Chromecast supported cloud service to connected Chromecast devices, even if they don't officially have LMS support? rmjb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14978 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
rmjb wrote: > One draw of using Chromecast is the support for new cloud services, an > area in which LMS is falling behind. > As CommanderROR said, in his opinion, the LMS usage model is preferable > than jumping from app to app for Chromecast. > If Chromecast works with LMS as a player as you gave described above, > will that open up a new kind of plugin that can front any Chromecast > supported cloud service to connected Chromecast devices, even if they > don't officially have LMS support? These so-called cloud services are all much of a muchness (differing only in the amount of utter rubbish they serve up, Spreaker being a case in point). Their main purpose is to tie the user into a recurrent payment, I'm not really interested in spending more money on content which is of little more importance than the latest Hollywood pap dressed up as a blockbuster. What I do want is a reliable replacement for the now defunct Logi devices, which can easily access the coherent LMS system. I don't want to depend on using a smartphone as a battery-hungry controller with multiple apps installed to access one or two basic servces. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker UPnPBridge - O2 Joggler - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers UPnPBridge - Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8 speaker Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
rmjb wrote: > One draw of using Chromecast is the support for new cloud services, an > area in which LMS is falling behind. > As CommanderROR said, in his opinion, the LMS usage model is preferable > than jumping from app to app for Chromecast. > If Chromecast works with LMS as a player as you have described above, > will that open up a new kind of plugin that can front any Chromecast > supported cloud service to connected Chromecast devices, even if they > don't officially have LMS support? NO - it is a way of making LMS play through a chromecast device - nothing more. Most Chromecast supported services have a Chromecast Sender in the iOS/Android or Chrome Web page and a Custom Chromecast Receiver with security etc which means they are tightly paired using private secure messages. To do what you want would then require parts of Chrome browser to be part of LMS. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
philippe_44 wrote: > To a large extend, this is what I do with squeeze2upnp, as you know. It > shows LMS a proper squeezelite instance, receives the audio data, buffer > it locally and then offer to UPnP players a web server where they simply > 'GET' this buffered audio data with a bit of header addition/byte order > manipulation. Then it also does the control command / feedback > translation between LMS 'protocol' and UPnP 'protocol' (pause, stop, > seek, timing, metadata, format negotiation, volume, next track > handling). I wish in reality this is a simple as that, as their are many > nasty details, but the principle remains valid > > So, re-creating an HTTP stream for the chromecast device from the LMS > sent data would be very simple for me. What I don't know is how > complicated the control part is. > > For audio format translation, at the beginning I thought about doing > decoding/encoding inside squeeze2unp and the possibility is still here, > but I decided to focus on the mode where sq2u is more a simple forwarder > of audio data and let the LMS do the transcoding. This to say that > indicating to LMS what codecs are supported based on chromecast device > so that only acceptable format are sent is easy as well. I looked at uPNP for LMS abput 8-10 yrs ago and found the incompatibilities between implementations too much as to make it impractical without buying many uPNP devices and testing. Since then DLNA and time has helped but I've admired your tenacity and perseveance to create a uPNP solution for LMS. Chromecast devices are simpler than uPNP as there are no onboard inputs but they are more customisbale than uPNP. A custom Receiver app (Javascript, HTML and CSS) can be loaded into a Chromecast device and so its control & behaviour can be made complex. The Default Receiver app is a basic media and so it simple media controls such as play, pause, stop, seek, skip, status (playing, paused, idle) as well as metadata - art, title , subtitle, duration. On top of that there is Application control which is about what Sender is in control of the Chromecast and what Recievr app is running. For example, typically if Chromecast is doing "nothing" and showing pitcure - it is running the Backdrop receiver application. My own initial thoughts about the solution was that since your upnp Squeezelite player works and since the underlying approach of Chromecast is very similar to uPNP (i.e. a http stream) - modifying Squeezelite would be the starting point. Since Squeezelite uses C++ - this would also help as the Protobuf compiler supports C++. While I have suggested that using the Defautl Receiver there are alternatives but probably technically more challenging and I'm not sure whether it would end up with a better solution. For example, it may be possible for a Custom Receiver to be written which implements Slimproto in Javascript which is run within Chromecast device. There is an issue about port 3483 traffic - not sure about security issues with Chromecast it may be possible to use Websockets to tunnel the port 3483 traffic to/from LMS but then rhis would also need some Websocket support to be added to LMS. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
I'm sort of hoping for a dual-purpose use of the Chromecast. Use it as a Player with LMS for regular stuff, like webradio or local content where the LMS Server - Client setup is best suited, and cast directly to the Chromecast Audio from within a supported app for stuff like Play Music that isn't properly supported on LMS. Sort of "best of two worlds" solution... ;) Also never forget, that even as a pure LMS Player the Chromecast Audio is a powerful, yet cheap and energy efficient device, that can replace the current Raspberry Pi + Addon Board + Wifi system many of us are using at the moment. I'm looking forware to seeing what bpa nd philippe can dig rig up. Maybe Google will even make the CA dlna compatible. They did not tell me it's impossible, they "noted" my suggestion, which probably doesn't mean anything, but who knows... ;) CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > I'm sort of hoping for a dual-purpose use of the Chromecast. > Use it as a Player with LMS for regular stuff, like webradio or local > content where the LMS Server - Client setup is best suited, and cast > directly to the Chromecast Audio from within a supported app for stuff > like Play Music that isn't properly supported on LMS. Sort of "best of > two worlds" solution... ;) While using it as a player for LMS is OK but after that I'm confused - you need to spell this out much much clearer. I don't know what would use to control this Chromecast player and how it will be used - you need to describe your ideal user experience in detail. > I'm looking forware to seeing what bpa nd philippe can dig rig up. Maybe > Google will even make the CA dlna compatible. Nobody is committing to anything and personally I don't have lots of time and I have higher priority projects. As I said in my post - the aim was to ground solutions in reality. I think mixing Chromecast with DLNA is a waste of time and unlikely as it would be supporting a "competitor's" solution as uPNP was an initiative promoted by MS and Intel. This is the world of commerce - think real world.. Neither Google or Apple are members of DLNA. Chromecast does not support WMA formats or Airplay. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
@bpa For the second part, streaming right to Chromecast, no modifications or dev work is required, since that is what the CC was built for. So, basically that comes as a "free extra". I hope that makes things clear. Really, the only question is, whether somebody would be able to bridge the gap from LMS to Chromecast Audio. That pretty much defines it's usefulness for me. If it works, then it's great, if not, then no big loss, I'll just keep the CA in a drawer and pull it out once in a while to play around with it... ;) I agree about Google adding dlna support btw. It's a long shot, and very unlikely to happen. CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > I'll just keep the CA in a drawer... Yeah, that's where mine is now after one day's experience with it. kidstypike 1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x piCorePlayer kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > @bpa > > For the second part, streaming right to Chromecast, no modifications or > dev work is required, since that is what the CC was built for. So, > basically that comes as a "free extra". Just making sure everybody understands that support services will only work with CA from their respective app on iOS/Android and Web page and not from within LMS. LMS just becomes sort of another cast enable app. The aim is that the Chromecast device receives it stream from LMS direct and not cast from a LMS player casting from an Android or similar devices. > Really, the only question is, whether somebody would be able to bridge > the gap from LMS to Chromecast Audio. That pretty much defines it's > usefulness for me. If it works, then it's great, if not, then no big > loss, I'll just keep the CA in a drawer and pull it out once in a while > to play around with it... ;) It's getting painful - there are competing ecosystem Airplay, DLNA, Chromecast and Miracast. There is no point in expending effort on a system which vendor may abandon (e.g. Logitech and Google TV) so I see no point in rushing. I ( and I think castalla) too have a drawer full of gadget such as Noxon, Roku, Apple TV, Chromecast, Bluetooth adapters, Mini/Stick PCs (Cubiboard, Raspberry Pi, Odroid) as well as refunds from failed projects such as Matchstick and mothballed projects such as Native Client Squeezelite for Chrome. Currently Chromecast Audio has the right combination of price point and features that intrigue me most but it will be a thinking exercise for a while yet. At some point I may delve into Custom Receiver but not within the near future as I have little appetite to learn Javascript. My priority LMS development worry is that BBC will be moving to DASH soon and so have to get LMS prepared for that as well as the chore of moving plugins from Google Code. > I agree about Google adding dlna support btw. It's a long shot, and very > unlikely to happen. Some 3rd party developer may decide to write a Custom Receiver which implements DLNA but I doubt if it will be Google. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
kidstypike wrote: > Yeah, that's where mine is now after one day's experience with it. And when Google support muti room synchronisation, I'll probably have to buy a 2nd, try sync out, understand it and then put the two devices back in a drawer. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I can't see the point of this device. It's too tied to Google Play. They are not going to allow that to change. A Raspberry Pi with Hifiberry DAC+ seems far more suited but if you want a consumer thingy then an Amazon Fire with SB Player seems the best bet to me as long as you have an HDMI Receiver to plug it into. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B&W P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
bpa wrote: > I looked at uPNP for LMS about 8-10 yrs ago and found the > incompatibilities between implementations too much as to make it > impractical without buying many uPNP devices and testing. Since then > DLNA and time has helped but I've admired your tenacity and perseveance > to create a uPNP solution for LMS. > Well ... it was named 'Squeeze2Sonos' at the beginning and that tells what I wanted to do initially: a quick hack to integrate my Sonos system. Then I think I lost control a bit of the 'expansion' of waht I was doing :) > > My own initial thoughts about the solution was also let LMS do > transcoding and since your upnp Squeezelite player works and the > underlying approach of Chromecast is very similar to uPNP (i.e. a http > stream) - modifying Squeezelite would be the starting point. Since > Squeezelite uses C++ - this would also help as the Protobuf compiler > supports C++. > I'll try to have a look at that, then > > While I have suggested that using the Default Receiver there are > alternatives but probably technically more challenging and I'm not sure > whether it would end up with a better solution. For example, it may be > possible for a Custom Receiver to be written which implements Slimproto > in Javascript which is run within Chromecast device. > This one is probably above my paygrade ;) LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
@philippe_44 Just in case you are looking for one more challenge besides this, you could always look into the Google Play Music Plugin here on LMS. It's currently not being maintained, since Hechtus doesn't have the time. Work on the unofficial API is coming along slowly but surely, so it might not be a complete waste of time to keep the Plugin on track... 😉 CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
philippe_44 wrote: > Well ... it was named 'Squeeze2Sonos' at the beginning and that tells > what I wanted to do initially: a quick hack to integrate my Sonos > system. Then I think I lost control a bit of the 'expansion' of waht I > was doing :) Can be a problem with plugin - knowing when to say "enough" as support takes up more and more time. > I'll try to have a look at that, then While I have tested Javascript and Python command line chromecast player programs - I ahven't tested a C++ one yet - the one I was looking at is https://github.com/eriklax/c8tsender The other alternative starting point I was thinking about but hadn't time to examine the code - would be a Flac variant of the LMS http://localhost:9000/stream but it would need to minimise the buffering and somehow improve the play control. > This one is probably above my paygrade ;) I don't think it is too difficult but the convolutions that would have to be performed to get around "security" to enable port 3483 comms make it unappealing except to those who enjoy getting around security measures. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > @philippe_44 > > Just in case you are looking for one more challenge besides this, you > could always look into the Google Play Music Plugin here on LMS. It's > currently not being maintained, since Hechtus doesn't have the time. > Work on the unofficial API is coming along slowly but surely, so it > might not be a complete waste of time to keep the Plugin on track... > 😉 TBH, I already have 3 plugins and I'm trying to be overloaded ... I really want to find a solution for sync with sq2u and I might choose either to do AirPlay or Chromecast audio in addition, but after that my plate is (really) full LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
bpa wrote: > > The other alternative starting point I was thinking about but hadn't > time to examine the code - would be a Flac variant of the LMS > http://localhost:9000/stream but it would need to minimise the buffering > and somehow improve the play control. > I wanted to use that initially for my quick hack, but as you say there is a veeery long buffering and basically no control, hence the only solution I found was to build that bridge that really looks to LMS like a player LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
@philippe_44 I completely understand. I just thought it wouldn't hurt to ask. If you manage to get the Chromecast Audio working, then that would pretty much make the Play Music app superfluous anyway... 😊 CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
philippe_44 wrote: > TBH, I already have 3 plugins and I'm trying to be overloaded ... I > really want to find a solution for sync with sq2u and I might choose > either to do AirPlay or Chromecast audio in addition, but after that my > plate is (really) full The amount of time it takes to support a plugin is the hidden side of plugin development which users do not appreciate. What I can't understand is why all these people who make helpful suggestions don't want to learn or even try to do a bit of programming - it's not rocket science or brain surgery - nobody gets hurt if it goes wrong - 8 year old kids learn to program in a short time and adults learn new languages - anybody can do it. The GPMusic plugin suffers the same way as any application will suffer when the API or interface changes (and Chromecast will be no different) . I believe plugins should be maintained by people who actually use them as they have a vested interest - otherwise it is a chore to be done. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
@bpa Believe me, I've tried, but I never got far. I just don't have any talent whatsoever for coding. So I try to make suggestions and donate to the devs of stuff I use. CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
bpa wrote: > The amount of time it takes to support a plugin is the hidden side of > plugin development which users do not appreciate. > > What I can't understand is why all these people who make helpful > suggestions don't want to learn or even try to do a bit of programming - > it's not rocket science or brain surgery - nobody gets hurt if it goes > wrong - 8 year old kids learn to program in a short time and adults > learn new languages - anybody can do it. > That's true although I've very rarely found people here (okay once or twice) that complain about what you offer. But I agree, this is very irritating when a guy that has not done anything but using the work you offer for free starts to whine about your lack of response, quality of what you've done and starts to tell you 'how it should be done if you were a good programmer' ... I really have no pretention to be any good but I don't force anybody do use my work :) CommanderROR wrote: > @bpa > Believe me, I've tried, but I never got far. I just don't have any > talent whatsoever for coding. So I try to make suggestions and donate to > the devs of stuff I use. This comment above is not for you ! LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > @bpa > Believe me, I've tried, but I never got far. I just don't have any > talent whatsoever for coding. So I try to make suggestions and donate to > the devs of stuff I use. At least you tried - the problem is that there is a diminishing group of plugin developers / maintainers and this point has to be made known to users. Without a base of developers, LMS features will break as the inevitable changes to services and technologies occur. Even novice, poor or inexperienced developers can provide assistance in diagnosing problems possibly identify the problem module or even line of code. For example, without looking at the GPMusic plugin code - I'm guessing there is an API change and the plugin has used code from some other project which probably has experienced the same issue and may even have been updated - in which case it is worth trying to copy the update over to the LMS plugin. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
philippe_44 wrote: > I really have no pretention to be any good but I don't force anybody do > use my work :) I find that program often take three revisions before they look good and are elegant. Plugins are initially hack jobs trying to glue incompatible system/technologies together to see if a working solution is possible. In which case there is unlikely to be an elegant solution so quickly creating with a solution that works and can be maintained reasonably is all that is needed. The plugin can be rewritten later if it proven to be popular/useful and has longevity. The person who complains that the code is not good often hasn't understood the problem and the constraints. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
bpa wrote: > For example, without looking at the GPMusic plugin code - I'm guessing > there is an API change and the plugin has used code from some other > project which probably has experienced the same issue and may even have > been updated - in which case it is worth trying to copy the update over > to the LMS plugin. As a matter of fact, the plugin works after you update python-pip and reinstall the inofficial API which is a python module. At least, that's what I did and understand, I'm not familiar with python. New setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > AKG Hearo 888 Titan (home office), *Boom + Canton ASF 75 SC* (master bedroom), *Boom* (master bathroom), *Radio* (guest bathroom), *RPi + KODI 15 + XSqueeze* > Samsung UE60H6270 > Denon AVR-770SD > Mission 2.1 speakers (living room) - *Classic* > Parasound DAC 1500 > vintage Wega Modul 42V amp (42E equalizer, 42T tape deck + Thorens TD 160 Mk II turntable) > Quadral Vulkan Mk II (music room) wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
True. Actually, with a few small changes the GPM Plugin does function. But it's getting more "patchworky" and once the API implements new features... Well never mind. Enough OT here... ☺ CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Back to the Chromecast Audio Some documentation on the Discovery part of Chromecast can be found below. https://github.com/jloutsenhizer/CR-Cast bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
bpa wrote: > I find that program often take three revisions before they look good and > are elegant. Plugins are initially hack jobs trying to glue > incompatible system/technologies together to see if a working solution > is possible. In which case there is unlikely to be an elegant solution > so quickly creating with a solution that works and can be maintained > reasonably is all that is needed. The plugin can be rewritten later if > it proven to be popular/useful and has longevity. The person who > complains that the code is not good often hasn't understood the problem > and the constraints. Can't agree more ... currently I'm sort of close to version 2 of this UPnP bridge plugin. I know exactly what I want to do now should I rewrite it, but what really stops me is that I'm still nowhere with one of my key goals which was to get sync with Sonos. Until I've done that, I don't want to do a re-architecture I might regret - and this sync problem is driving me nuts :) LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
