Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
I've learned something that might be useful. After returning the WRT110, I reinstalled my failing? WRT54G. It behaved similarly. In reading the Tomoto (alternate firmware - I'm not using it - I run the latest linksys) it suggested two things. 1. Don't run in B only mode if there are G devices around. 2. Don't enable frame burst (a WRT54G option) if you have more than 3 wireless devices. Changing both, I got much better behavior. Still wide power variation, but lowest not as bad. I've now installed a Netgear WPN824V3, which seems to work somewhat better maybe??? It doesn't have a frame burst option, by the way. I way maybe??? because although the power is more stable, my max speeds are down I think. (Things vary enough that its hard to get reliable facts). -- Millwood Millwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Ross L;354434 Wrote: See also: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/RouterStatus Seems we used to be OK with WRT110, I'll have to try to find one and test here in the QA lab. Thanks for sharing.Ross, Any chance of some input to 'this' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54691) thread please? -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
I returned the WRT110 before learning of the frame burst issue. Also, I have 2 SB3, a receiver, a controller, and 2 wireless computers on the network, and the issue may be multiple stations. So far, the Netgear 824 seems OK but not much better than my old WRT54G, which is now working again. I can get 2000kb reliable running G on a station with 70% signal strength. What I do see is more stable signal strength over time, although still lots of swing. The above, in a few hours, sees a high of 90% and a low of 66%. As an aside, if I were working your network software, which I am not competent to do without more learning than I have time for, I'd very carefully review the lost packet protocol to make sure it was really robust in the face of transient burst errors in the network. I say this because, given the size of your buffers, which represent many seconds of music, glitches seem to drop the stream more often than they should. -- Millwood Millwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
I posted on these issues before, but I'll repeat it here: - signal strength is not as important as the signal-to-noise-ratio!!! - n-routers are better, even if you only have g-clients. they have mimo technology for further range which helps g-clients too and a faster cpu which is the biggest bottleneck in bitrate issues combined with encryption. - disable any b-client support (so g-only or g-n-only). Support for b will seriously limit performance. Experiment with short vs long pre-amble settings too, these settings are all related and differ between routers. - more signal strength is best done with a better antenna instead of more power - reducing noise is even better than increasing signal strength. The best way to reduce noise is by using directional antenna's. The cheapest one is printing a pattern (search google) on your printer, cutting it out and covering it with aluminium-foil and sticking it on the antenna's. Directional hi-gain antenna's are even better and cost little. Example: using a 180 degree antenna on the router gives you a quick 3 dB increase on signal strength (that's doubling it!) plus a 3 dB reduction on noise in the routers receiver (it only receives noise from 180 deg instead of 360 !!). Next logical step would be directional antenna at the SB but I think only the SB2 can do that without modification. But you can decrease the angle further, like to 90 or 60 degrees with more gain and more noise-reduction. I stand by my choice for good wifi router: Dlink DGL-4500. cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
My experience with the WRT54GX4 was great until I got a Duet. And the iPhone did not get along that great with it, either. The dual band WRT610N has operated flawlessly at all levels. Signal coverage is a bit compromised because of the internal antenna, but other than that there have been no issues, and all Squueze models (SB3, Boom and Duet) operate very well. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
I returned the thing. Happily, I'd bought it a radio shack, not on the web, so they just scowled and took it back. Reinstalled my failing WRT54G and all the (new) problems are gone. So I'm pretty sure the WRT110 is not something you want to try! It's final trick was to suddenly change into a state in which all the devices were seeing much lower power - 40% for the SB3 five feet under the WRT110 instead of 90+. Unplugging/replugging the router cleared it. Based on other comments here and easy availabilty, I've order a netgrear WPN824 -- Millwood Millwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Ross L;354434 Wrote: See also: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/RouterStatus Seems we used to be OK with WRT110, I'll have to try to find one and test here in the QA lab. Thanks for sharing. As an update - for the last 24 hours, things have worked - so I can't even reproduce the problem right now! I'll report again if trouble reoccurs. (I am running 128bit WEP) -- Millwood Millwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Spoke to soon - it's back into that funny state. WRT110 thinks it is associated. Screen is blank. Power button yields Waking up SqueezeCenter ... Connecting to SqueezeCenter ... blank screen again SB3 does NOT respond to pings. Push and hold power till reboot and it reconnect on its own. There is a DHCP exchange, for what its worth. I'm running with DHCP reservation, so it always gets the same IP. It seems as if its not really on the network but doesn't know its not. Or alternately, the WRT110 is ignoring it. Nothing in the logs. No recent DHCP, in particular. -- Millwood Millwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
I just got a WRT110 - didn't search the forum first :-( I'm seeing a reconnect failure with my SB3 - something I used to see but not in a long while with my now dead WRT54G The SB3 gets into a state in which its screen is blank. If you press power on, it says trying to wake up squeezecenter, trying to connect to squeezecenter and then goes blank again. It can't be pinged. If you hold down the power button, it restarts, reconnects, and works. Also - at the moment I'm running in B-only mode. I have a laptop with a B only card, and B is good enough. I am not yet sure if this only happens when the router restarts or by itself. I've been playing with config and so restarting the router a lot. Whatever the problem with the WRT110, it would be nice if the SB3 saw that it wasn't talking to the network and tried to reconnect. (I'm running the router B-only since I have a B-only laptop. But I think I had more trouble in B-G mode). Firmware is 1.0.04 build 10 (sic). The fact that it's build 10 tells me this is a work in progress. -- Millwood Millwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
mvalera;353914 Wrote: Exactly... turn your power way down. In reality this is not really ever a solution because you are increasing the power on only one side of a 2 way radio communication. Mike As long as we're dredging up old threads... I followed the advice to turn the power down back in July when I first responded to this thread and... no dice!I tried 80 (default is 40 I think) and 150, but I need it at 200+ for reliable streaming on my most distant SB3. The higher power works great. Doesn't hurt the reception anywhere in the house, and helps it tremendously far away (and through a few walls). So, while you guys *may* know what you are talking about in general, there are obviously conditions where the higher power purely helps. -- lanierb lanierb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5566 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
See also: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/RouterStatus Seems we used to be OK with WRT110, I'll have to try to find one and test here in the QA lab. Thanks for sharing. -- Ross L Ross Levine - Slim Devices Quality Assurance Ross L's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
My WRTG54 died several months ago and I replaced it with the WRT110. I had all manner of problems with it. Most annoying was that occasionally none of the devices connected to it (either wirelessly or wired) could talk to any other of the devices, nor the internet. Only cyclying the power on the router would correct this, and then only for a short while. I systematically worked the problem until I hit on the answer for me. I changed the routers MTU from Automatic to 1400 after some experimentation. Now this value may not be appropriate for you. Google for procedures on how to find the best MTU value for your setup. -- byKnight Really, it was like that when I got here. byKnight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
lanierb;313801 Wrote: Are you suggesting that cranking up the transmit power can actually make reception worse? Should I turn it back down? I have one distant squeezebox that was at 30% SNR before I cranked the power, and now it's at about 45% with the power at 200 (from 40). I thought this would make it more reliable long term, though I have to admit it was working perfectly before (not one drop out that I know of). Exactly... turn your power way down. In reality this is not really ever a solution because you are increasing the power on only one side of a 2 way radio communication. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Business Unit slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
not to thread hop, I havea wrt110 as well, and it works great for me. I do have a client however that is constantly losing connection. She has a linksys range expander, and they are expensive. I am considering switching to another brand of wireless router. She still has the old wrt54g, I am considering just setting that one back up. Does anyone know if any other brands work with the linksys expander? -- zay zay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20751 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
I went back to using this router a few days ago after I continued getting very poor network test results with my homeplugs. I upgraded the firmware on the router to the latest that was offered, and when I connected the Duet using wireless to the router, I still had dropouts when I started playing songs. I went into the router setup and turned off the router firewall. I tried playing music again and it worked! I have had no dropouts for the last four days playing flac files. I am seeing excellent network test results, and have a signal strength of about 68%. Everything now works as it should. This may not be the best option, but it is working for me right now and I am finally able to enjoy the Duet as it should work. Hopefully it will continue to work! Could the router firewall have been causing the problems? Pat -- musictappy musictappy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Thank you musictappy and jpastore for confirming that the Linksys WRT110 router, in its current incarnation, will encounter issues when you are wirelessly streaming music on your home network to Squeezebox players. It looks like the Linksys WRT110 needs bugs fixed in its firmware to solve this problem. That's too bad, because it looks like a pretty cool router otherwise. Mickey -- MickeyG Transporter Classé Audio DR6 Mark Levinson 23 Wilson Watt 3/Puppy 1 MickeyG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
I have a Dell m90 with a Intel3945 a/b/g card. When upgrading (if you can call it that) to this router (WRT110) I noticed that large throughput (bit torrent's, CentOS iso downloads, large db dump file downloads) all cause my wireless to die and I have to manually reconnect via network manager every 5 minutes... I got dell to replace the wireless card twice, bought the N version of the card. Fought with Linksys support. They want me to RMA the device but I've found enough evidence online to support the fact that there is something wrong with the firmware...I did update the firmware, reloaded various kernel modules and libraries. I compiled my own driver. BTW when I talk to other wireless routers...no problem... /sigh the long and short of it is: don't buy this router. Not until a firmware revision past 1.0.4 comes out that addresses this. I made sure the 4th tech in India forwarded on our chat session with supporting data (this forum) to the firmware developers... maybe that'll get us some help =) -- jpastore jpastore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18898 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
I also have this router, and have experienced issues playing flac files. Sometimes the file would stop in the middle, and other times it would not play a file at all. The duet controller would show that the file is playing for about 20 seconds, but there would be no audio. After about 20 seconds it would restart the file, again with no audio. When it is doing this the light on the receiver is blue. I assumed interference since I can pick up multiple networks in my house, but I can't tell for sure. Resetting either the receiver or the router would always fix the problem. If it helps at all, my Network Test settings were always very good, but I still had these problems. I fixed it (I hope) by purchasing a homeplug system and bypassing the wireless. If this router could be made to work better, it would benefit me greatly! Pat -- musictappy musictappy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
in my exp, linksys makes junk. you never know if what you are buying is going to be any good or not, and toms hardware routinely bashs them, sometimes scathingly. my advice to people who want really good wireless? get a so called gaming router and spend the $100. its so worth it. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.1beta - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Is anyone else having an issue connecting Squeezeboxes to this router? If so, please post in this forum the details about your problems. We're still hunting down compatibility issues with routers, and if this is posting reflects a typical experience then we'd like to fix it. Thanks! Mickey -- MickeyG Transporter Classé Audio DR6 Mark Levinson 23 Wilson Watt 3/Puppy 1 MickeyG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
lanierb;313492 Wrote: Also, with the third party firmware you can pump up the transmit power and increase the range beyond that of the others. The problem with that is that SNR is too high. (The signal is disturbing itself) And the devices are not built for the 100% transmit power and will burn out of not propperly cooled. I have a couple attached to antennas on my roof. Great boxes! -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Sike;313647 Wrote: The problem with that is that SNR is too high. (The signal is disturbing itself) Are you suggesting that cranking up the transmit power can actually make reception worse? Should I turn it back down? I have one distant squeezebox that was at 30% SNR before I cranked the power, and now it's at about 45% with the power at 200 (from 40). I thought this would make it more reliable long term, though I have to admit it was working perfectly before (not one drop out that I know of). -- lanierb lanierb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5566 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Ahhh the WRT54GL.. a timeless classic. Ugly as hell but highly reliable. Range is not that great as it's not a MIMO. Linksys made this device due to all of the custom firmware made for the WRT54G, which was no longer supported by the WRT54G after version 4 of the router (Version 5 of the router, they changed the OS to VxWorks and no longer used linux) -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Sike;313381 Wrote: Ahhh the WRT54GL.. a timeless classic. Ugly as hell but highly reliable. Range is not that great as it's not a MIMO. Linksys made this device due to all of the custom firmware made for the WRT54G, which was no longer supported by the WRT54G after version 4 of the router (Version 5 of the router, they changed the OS to VxWorks and no longer used linux) Out of interest dd-wrt supports all versions of the WRT54G/L/S. For V5 hardware and newer it's a two step process, replace the VxWorks image with a new boot loader and then use that to flash the dd-wrt image. You can even reload the original firmware on it. I have a old v3.1 which has been running dd-wrt for ages, never touch it, just keeps working. I just bought a Version 8.2 which I immediately upgraded to the latest dd-wrt v24 release. Works great. I use it as a client bridge for an SB3 wired only. http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/index.php Ralphy -- ralphy ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
ralphy;313411 Wrote: I use it as a client bridge for an SB3 wired only. http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/index.php Ralphy Is there a way of turning a Linksys N router in to a bridge yet? A WRT160N for example? -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Just read up on it .. it is possible, only narrowband though .. dd wrt has come a long way! -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Sike;313381 Wrote: Ahhh the WRT54GL.. a timeless classic. Ugly as hell but highly reliable. Range is not that great as it's not a MIMO. I have played with several recent G routers (linksys and others) and the WRT54GL had identical range to the others in my experience. (I have played with swapping them around and used netstumbler to measure the signal.) Also, with the third party firmware you can pump up the transmit power and increase the range beyond that of the others. Based on this, I settled on using the WRT54GL as it seems more reliable (got sick of rebooting my router every few days). -- lanierb lanierb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5566 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Routers are like a box of chocolates... I have a WRT160N and a WRT310N and bot work great without crashing or any other wierd side affects. Routers are always a bit of hit or miss... -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Warning: Linksys WRT110 Rangeplus Wireless Router Squeezebox
Sike wrote: Routers are like a box of chocolates... I have a WRT160N and a WRT310N and bot work great WiFi routers for sure. I've had great luck with the WRT54GL -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
