Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- I want to echo Don's comments. I've been licensed since 1974, not long to sum and a over a lifetime for others. I've worked in communications over 20 years specifying, purchasing, designing, installing, and operating various types of equipment including HF antenna's. Oh I use G5RV's at home, the Office, I recommended them to emergency services organizations, and used them during emergencies and disasters. However, when I stop thinking that I didn't have the room to install an 80 meter fullwave loop and listen to my friend and mentor George Runyan, WB6YEC actually building it, the light came on. Remember it doesn't have to be shaped square, or rectangular. There are many possibilities. We used 14 ga stranded wire, 450 ohm ladder line, and suspending it 32' above the ground using old well pipe for supports, the results were beyond my expectations. No it doesn't tune 160 as a balanced antenna but it work's just fine when I short the ladderline then configuring it as end fed using the loop as a top capacity hat. The signal reports on 160, well, the comments have been Best Signal out of San Diego on 160 No its not the Holy Grail but for my many years of experience as antenna's go, the 80 meter fullwave loop using 450 ohm ladderline has my vote. 73's and I wish you all the best, John N. Hudson III, (WA6HYQ) Assistant Chief State of California, Governor's Office of Emergency Services Communications Technology Division, Southern Region Overland Ave. Suite 5105 San Diego, Ca. 92123 (858) 268-5436 Voice (858) 268-5437 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] g To Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc erobeat.net Subject Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users 03/30/2008 03:30 experience, opinions and comments PMfor an all band HF Antennas Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.net Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Standard size house lot? a flag pole at each corner, put up a loop, feed it with 450 ladder and a good tuner. The antenna you are asking for is the 'holy grail' for us all, so the best you will come up with is some form of compromise. a full size loop or longer dipole type with a good tuner will go a long way. myself, I haven't been too happy with the G5RV, but others have been.. same thing with windoms, bazooka's etc. and for me, these are types for me to tinker around with and have some fun with it. But the loop or dipole are simple, and fed with 450 ladder and good tuner, will pretty much do what you are asking. - Original Message - From: Peter Bent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas Peter Bent [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Been very happy with my G5RV... still am experimenting, nevertheless. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Bennett Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas George Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Hi Karl I have been using a Carolina Windom, that I bought from Radio Works (they are on the internet), with a tuner and have been very happy. I use a T-4XC, MN2700 and L7. 73, George Bennett, K1GMB Original Message - From: Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March
Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- It is almost all band but my favorite is a 20 meter DEZ at a total length of 86 feet fed with 450 ohm line. I would not hesitate to go against any triband bean with this on 20. Great on that band it is. It worked very well on 40, 30, and 10. I shorted the feed line and laid out a few radials for 160 well ... it worked after a fashion. It was fine on 80 but it didn't seem to get out the yard on 17, 15, and 12. I solved that problem by building a 15 meter DEZ which worked well on 30-10 meters. I hope that gives you a few ideas. 73, Mike WA5POK 343 countries es 9 band DXCC with wire antennas. One of my previous QTH's in town had a very small lot. I installed a 10 ft mast on the eave of my cape house style house and installed an inverted vee fed with 450 ohm line. The dipole was about 130 ft total length. I had to play around with the feedline length some but was able to tune all bands 80 through 10. For 160 meters I fed the ends of the 450 ohm line tied together and tuned it as a top loaded vertical. To do this I also installed a counterpoise. It all worked very well. I want to do the same thing here at my present QTH but currently lack the supports to have the feedline drop near the shack. One of these days I will come up with something. 73, Gary -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
[drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas
Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- After having my current antenna removed due to a proposed house addition, I am ready to Install another antenna, but would like for it to be a optimum antenna so I don't have to keep experimenting ie. fooling around with them. Would really like Drake users recommendations, opinions, comments for a all band (160 through 10 meter) Antenna i.e. low VSWR, broad band, house and neighborhood friendly, and be able to take output from a TX4 LB4 MN2000 set up. Previous experience has been: not much luck with verticals However it could have been my fault as I never had more than 8 radials, and no attention to decent grounding. A Recent excellent antenna presentation at the Rochester Radio club talked only on Verticals this was due to their low angle of radiation. Several verticals were mentioned specially the AV-18HT, However no had one. I know this isn't an antenna net but it's the only net I use and Drake folks on this net seem to be very knowledgeable. Thank you -Karl WA2OVJ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Karl, Sounds like a 160meter inverted L might be an option. BUT, you could start by visiting a website of an antenna guru, specifically, W4RNL, or buying his books available through MFJ. Please note, don't be overly swayed by the results of antenna modeling results. They are merely one source of guidance and rarely does one know the influence of site specitics (e.g. ground conductivity, house wiring, siding, gutters, etc.). It pays to ask around but make sure you find out if an antenna is installed as intended or not, and also what the particular installation is like. One of the most controversial antennas is the G5RV which is highly susceptable to deviations from a perfect installation. In other words, bend it into an inverted V, mount it close to the ground, run the feedline parallel to one leg of the flat top, etc. and you may get good or bad results, don't know until you try. So start with theory, and then blend it with real world, correct installation examples. Good luck. Oh yes, you have to install the antenna in bad weather for it to work best. Snow, rain, sleet, high wind, all contribute to a better performing antenna. Not sure I even know what it is like to install an antenna in nice weather. But, you can be sure if I schedule antenna work, it will be nasty and windy that day. Sort of like the Hamvention, you know one day out of three will have bad weather but the rest will be fine. 73, EvanBRBRBR**BRCreate a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.BR (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301)/HTML -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
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Gary Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Karl, For an all band antenna I suggest a dipole or inverted vee fed with 450 line. With a tuner and 4:1 balun you can have an antenna that will tune most if not all bands. 73, Gary -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
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George Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Hi Karl I have been using a Carolina Windom, that I bought from Radio Works (they are on the internet), with a tuner and have been very happy. I use a T-4XC, MN2700 and L7. 73, George Bennett, K1GMB Original Message - From: Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- After having my current antenna removed due to a proposed house addition, I am ready to Install another antenna, but would like for it to be a optimum antenna so I don't have to keep experimenting ie. fooling around with them. Would really like Drake users recommendations, opinions, comments for a all band (160 through 10 meter) Antenna i.e. low VSWR, broad band, house and neighborhood friendly, and be able to take output from a TX4 LB4 MN2000 set up. Previous experience has been: not much luck with verticals However it could have been my fault as I never had more than 8 radials, and no attention to decent grounding. A Recent excellent antenna presentation at the Rochester Radio club talked only on Verticals this was due to their low angle of radiation. Several verticals were mentioned specially the AV-18HT, However no had one. I know this isn't an antenna net but it's the only net I use and Drake folks on this net seem to be very knowledgeable. Thank you -Karl WA2OVJ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
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Peter Bent [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Been very happy with my G5RV... still am experimenting, nevertheless. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Bennett Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas George Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Hi Karl I have been using a Carolina Windom, that I bought from Radio Works (they are on the internet), with a tuner and have been very happy. I use a T-4XC, MN2700 and L7. 73, George Bennett, K1GMB Original Message - From: Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- After having my current antenna removed due to a proposed house addition, I am ready to Install another antenna, but would like for it to be a optimum antenna so I don't have to keep experimenting ie. fooling around with them. Would really like Drake users recommendations, opinions, comments for a all band (160 through 10 meter) Antenna i.e. low VSWR, broad band, house and neighborhood friendly, and be able to take output from a TX4 LB4 MN2000 set up. Previous experience has been: not much luck with verticals However it could have been my fault as I never had more than 8 radials, and no attention to decent grounding. A Recent excellent antenna presentation at the Rochester Radio club talked only on Verticals this was due to their low angle of radiation. Several verticals were mentioned specially the AV-18HT, However no had one. I know this isn't an antenna net but it's the only net I use and Drake folks on this net seem to be very knowledgeable. Thank you -Karl WA2OVJ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
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sebdesn [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- As others said, inverted L. I don't have an amp, but I have one about 45' vertical and 80' horiz. I use a SGC 230 auto tuner at the base and it tunes 160 to 10 at the change of the band switch..Also has a ground screen/radial system under it. Unless you know its there , due to the fact it goes up and over/between some trees, its invisible. Don't remember if the Drake tuner will end feed wires however.. 73 de Bud WØHG -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas
Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Standard size house lot? a flag pole at each corner, put up a loop, feed it with 450 ladder and a good tuner. The antenna you are asking for is the 'holy grail' for us all, so the best you will come up with is some form of compromise. a full size loop or longer dipole type with a good tuner will go a long way. myself, I haven't been too happy with the G5RV, but others have been.. same thing with windoms, bazooka's etc. and for me, these are types for me to tinker around with and have some fun with it. But the loop or dipole are simple, and fed with 450 ladder and good tuner, will pretty much do what you are asking. - Original Message - From: Peter Bent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas Peter Bent [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Been very happy with my G5RV... still am experimenting, nevertheless. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Bennett Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas George Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Hi Karl I have been using a Carolina Windom, that I bought from Radio Works (they are on the internet), with a tuner and have been very happy. I use a T-4XC, MN2700 and L7. 73, George Bennett, K1GMB Original Message - From: Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- After having my current antenna removed due to a proposed house addition, I am ready to Install another antenna, but would like for it to be a optimum antenna so I don't have to keep experimenting ie. fooling around with them. Would really like Drake users recommendations, opinions, comments for a all band (160 through 10 meter) Antenna i.e. low VSWR, broad band, house and neighborhood friendly, and be able to take output from a TX4 LB4 MN2000 set up. Previous experience has been: not much luck with verticals However it could have been my fault as I never had more than 8 radials, and no attention to decent grounding. A Recent excellent antenna presentation at the Rochester Radio club talked only on Verticals this was due to their low angle of radiation. Several verticals were mentioned specially the AV-18HT, However no had one. I know this isn't an antenna net but it's the only net I use and Drake folks on this net seem to be very knowledgeable. Thank you -Karl WA2OVJ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas
Don Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Karl, You will get as many answers to your query as there are amateurs on the reflector, hi hi. Knowing which band is MOST important would be helpful to answering. 160m, for example, is a very particular band for antennas actually working. You can load a wet noodle with a tuner, but it may not transmit. I spend a lot of time on 160m and we have guys stop by all the time with the proverbial my 80m antenna loads just fine here, I can hear you all just great (most run 1.5 kw in our group), but I just can't understand why you can't hear me over the noise. The only thing we have found to work is a full sized dipole or inverted vee fed with ladder line (I prefer 300 ohm from the Wireman, as it doesn't seem to be effected by rain or ice as bad as 450 ohm, but that's a personal preference.). Your L4B won't do 160m (or I should say my stock one won't, hi), so that may not be a concern for you. I never got the inverted L to work well for me, on any band, as I didn't put down a good enough ground/radial system either, Karl. I think it would work alright, but would DEFINITELY need the ground system. The Hustler verticals seem to work well with elevated radials on 40m and up. Just some ramblings, Karl. Good luck in your quest. 73, Don, WB5HAK - Original Message - From: Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- After having my current antenna removed due to a proposed house addition, I am ready to Install another antenna, but would like for it to be a optimum antenna so I don't have to keep experimenting ie. fooling around with them. Would really like Drake users recommendations, opinions, comments for a all band (160 through 10 meter) Antenna i.e. low VSWR, broad band, house and neighborhood friendly, and be able to take output from a TX4 LB4 MN2000 set up. Previous experience has been: not much luck with verticals However it could have been my fault as I never had more than 8 radials, and no attention to decent grounding. A Recent excellent antenna presentation at the Rochester Radio club talked only on Verticals this was due to their low angle of radiation. Several verticals were mentioned specially the AV-18HT, However no had one. I know this isn't an antenna net but it's the only net I use and Drake folks on this net seem to be very knowledgeable. Thank you -Karl WA2OVJ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1349 - Release Date: 3/29/2008 5:02 PM -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
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neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Another sort of intangible issue has to do with the ground conductivity in your area, especially with vertical antennas, but probably with others as well. For example, I have been very satisfied with the performance of a windom antenna. It's not up very high, and the two legs aren't even 180-degrees apart due to the limitations of tree locations, but I do live on the coast, across the street from a salt marsh. I'm sure that contributes to its performance in some way. OTOH, when I set up a better version of the same antenna (higher, straighter) at my in-laws place on the volcanic island of Hawaii, it didn't begin to compare. As one of the local hams out there told me, there is no ground here - we're sitting on top of a huge glass insulator! Neil, KX2Y -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
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Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Neil, that is going to be one of my problems specially if I use a vertical as the ground here is Dolomite (rock), when we moved here I noticed on the maps that there were a lot of swamps and that was because the Rochester area where we live is on rock. I found the conductivity of various soils and rock was one of the worst. I have considered a windom if I can just figure out where to put the ends. Thank you very much for your reply. -Karl wa2ovj --- Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Another sort of intangible issue has to do with the ground conductivity in your area, especially with vertical antennas, but probably with others as well. For example, I have been very satisfied with the performance of a windom antenna. It's not up very high, and the two legs aren't even 180-degrees apart due to the limitations of tree locations, but I do live on the coast, across the street from a salt marsh. I'm sure that contributes to its performance in some way. OTOH, when I set up a better version of the same antenna (higher, straighter) at my in-laws place on the volcanic island of Hawaii, it didn't begin to compare. As one of the local hams out there told me, there is no ground here - we're sitting on top of a huge glass insulator! Neil, KX2Y -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
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Steve Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- I have a hillside lot here that is on the smallish side. I once tried a Hustler vertical up on a 30 foot mast on the rooftop. I used some slotted PVC pipe to insulate the vertical from the mast. I took rotor cable, and made 4 radials, one for each of my insulated steel guy wires. I cut the insulation on the rotor cable and snipped out a section of wire so that I had reasonably well tuned radial wires for each of the HF bands from 40 to 10 meters. I did not have enough length for 80 meter quarter wave radials with this setup, but did make some contacts on 80 with it. I had to use a tuner since I had no way to adjust the vertical while it was in position. It worked out very well. My first contact was in the old Yugoslavia on 15 meters with the 5 watts from a Heath HW-9. It did very well with the National NCX-5 also. Once you lift a vertical an appreciable portion of a wavelength above even lousy ground, the radials tend to become a ground plane and shield the antenna from the lossy ground below. I did worry a lot about lightning, but had no strikes. You might want to try something like this at your QTH. 73, Steve WA9JML -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
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Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Bud, thank you very much for your comment. I like the invisableness of your antenna design, something that is very important and what is a major thing to consider specially if i get this amp up and running, as I don't need to bother my neighbors. There is a fellow a couple of blocks away that put up a beam and he had all kinds of trouble even before he began transmitting just due to the appearance. Thanks again -Karl --- sebdesn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sebdesn [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- As others said, inverted L. I don't have an amp, but I have one about 45' vertical and 80' horiz. I use a SGC 230 auto tuner at the base and it tunes 160 to 10 at the change of the band switch..Also has a ground screen/radial system under it. Unless you know its there , due to the fact it goes up and over/between some trees, its invisible. Don't remember if the Drake tuner will end feed wires however.. 73 de Bud WØHG -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
Re: [drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas
Karl Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Gary, thank you very much for your comment. Actually, before my antenna came down I was using a dipole fed with 450 ohm line into an MFJ antenna tuner but no balun. It worked pretty good for only being up 26 feet but since I had to move it and my wife said there wasn't anyway that she was going to help me put it up again( t exciting), I thought I would ask around and see if there is anything better and easier to install. I do have a brand new G5RV that i have never used and is still in the box. I may use this antenna but don't know yet. When we first moved here from calif. we rented a house and I put up a dipole that really was a inverted V cut for 20 meters and I made 600 ohm line and an antenna tuner. The tunner looked awful but worked great. I used a tr4 and could not believe how well it 'got out on 20 meters, we had sandy soil at that location and it wasn't but about 22 feet off the ground. Where we are now is Dolomite (rock) not very conductive. Thanks for your comment -Karl --- Gary Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Karl, For an all band antenna I suggest a dipole or inverted vee fed with 450 line. With a tuner and 4:1 balun you can have an antenna that will tune most if not all bands. 73, Gary -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net -- OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
[drakelist] Request Drake users experience, opinions and comments for an all band HF Antennas
Gary Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] made an utterance to the drakelist gang -- Karl, One of my previous QTH's in town had a very small lot. I installed a 10 ft mast on the eave of my cape house style house and installed an inverted vee fed with 450 ohm line. The dipole was about 130 ft total length. I had to play around with the feedline length some but was able to tune all bands 80 through 10. For 160 meters I fed the ends of the 450 ohm line tied together and tuned it as a top loaded vertical. To do this I also installed a counterpoise. It all worked very well. I want to do the same thing here at my present QTH but currently lack the supports to have the feedline drop near the shack. One of these days I will come up with something. 73, Gary -- Submissions:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - unsubscribe drakelist in body Hopelessly Lost:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - help in body of message Zerobeat Web Page: www.zerobeat.net - sponsored by www.tlchost.net --
