[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold / SR ??
Sidd wrote: EJ has stated in the past: "there is not always the necessity to back Standard Gold 100% with E-Gold" and "there is a market where those individuals and businesses may need capital to grow. Standard Reserve will be in that market providing capital from its asset backing" and "This is the bulk of money that is in a liquid form that can be used to loan people and businesses so that earnings can be made and dividends paid to holders of the currency." So the question is: Is there a possibility that in the future Standard Reserve currency will at least in part be backed by DEBT instruments or investments other than e-gold? Hi Guys, May I interject something here? Credit creates debt, obligation and of course control. The use of credit is a "system" like borrowing from T. E. Ford's "Company Store". Another perspective on credit/debt consequences can be seen here: http://www.murabitun.org/documents/dinar/dinar.html I found the information (stripped of religious flavorings) to be quite enlightening in view of the predatory credit system extant throughout America and elsewhere. It was credit that striped America of the gold and silver common folks carried around in their pockets as a standard means of doing business. When we freely circulated gold and silver among ourselves we were a truly weathy nation in more ways than one. -- Regards, Dale Pond Delta Spectrum Research http://www.SVPvril.com Sympathetic Vibratory Physics Sacred Science - Sacred Life SVP Discussion Forum: http://www.egroups.com/list/svpvril/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Flat Rate Gold Exchange
On 11-29-00 I wired a sizeable amount of money to Flat Rate Gold for deposit into my E-Gold acct. The next day there was a service message on their site stating there had been money orders totaling over $250k returned as fraudulent, resulting in a mandatory 30 day hold on all incoming wires, etc. to their bank. I received mail from them on 12-8-00 stating they would post a list of customers who's funds were being held, but there has not been a list, and no response to inquiries. Does any one know anything about this. Can we rely on flat Rate Gold's word, and is there any way to check this out since they are not communicating? Help would be so very much appreciated. Also, is there any sure way to fund E-Gold, with no risk of loosing funds before it even gets to E-Gold? Sure, just use http://coconutgold.com ! We're absolutely reliable, don't deal with losers, and have never fucked up anything! :) And if we can't trade that day I'll send you to someone trustworthy. Ann --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: BUY ANYTHING ONLINE WITH e-gold
It would not take mauch to provide e-gold users with a substantial benefit in their online purchasing. Say, a 5% discount and 3% from the better security and speed of settlement and lower fees would add up to enough to cover in-exchange costs and make it more efficient. Factor in falling ine-exchange costs and rising e-gold user base and this type of business would seem very viable. George, or anyone, simply STATE which online retailer you think would offer a volume discount. State it. Type it. State which online retailer. I will get right on them and try to negotiate a discount! Which one? State it: --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Advertising
Bearerinstruments.com intends to provide a rotating banner ad at the bottom of it's home page. There's an example there now: http://www.bearerinstruments.com/ Info is at: http://www.bearerinstruments.com/html/advertising.html If anybody has a suggestion before programing begins, please send it to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob Looks great! I reckon it should be at the TOP, Bob -- just as all ads are at the top of web pages (search engines, or whatever) i bid one gram ... --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: BUY ANYTHING ONLINE WITH e-gold
At 11:41 PM 12/29/2000 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would not take mauch to provide e-gold users with a substantial benefit in their online purchasing. Say, a 5% discount and 3% from the better security and speed of settlement and lower fees would add up to enough to cover in-exchange costs and make it more efficient. Factor in falling ine-exchange costs and rising e-gold user base and this type of business would seem very viable. George, or anyone, simply STATE which online retailer you think would offer a volume discount. State it. Type it. State which online retailer. I will get right on them and try to negotiate a discount! Volume has nothing to do with it. The discount should be based on the savings possible because of our process. Any retailer should be able to offer that - whether they be pure play (online only) or clicks and mortar. Try the big guys (a/k/a "800 pound gorillas") first, as they carry the weight for others to follow. The gorrillas include Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Sears, JC Penney and the like - all top chains. Then go to prestigious store who carry weight because of their innovations - Nordstroms, Neimann Marcus, Bloomingdales, etc. Then consider pure plays like Amazon, e-Toys, etc. George __ George Matyjewicz, Chief Executive Officer Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA Acct# 120018 Tel: 770-300-3070 Ext 2818 World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: BUY ANYTHING ONLINE WITH e-gold
Volume has nothing to do with it. The discount should be based on the savings possible because of our process. Any retailer should be able to offer that - whether they be pure play (online only) or clicks and mortar. I must disagree with you here George. Higher volume means higher savings. A lower volume retailer might not be able to offset the cost of adding a "GOLD" payment option to their system, however, it would be easier for a higher volume retailer. Khurram _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: BUY ANYTHING ONLINE WITH e-gold
At 09:02 AM 12/29/2000 -0800, Khurram Khan wrote: Volume has nothing to do with it. The discount should be based on the savings possible because of our process. Any retailer should be able to offer that - whether they be pure play (online only) or clicks and mortar. I must disagree with you here George. Higher volume means higher savings. A lower volume retailer might not be able to offset the cost of adding a "GOLD" payment option to their system, however, it would be easier for a higher volume retailer. Higher volumes have nothing to do with gold payments. A higher volume retailer can offer discounts without accepting gold payments. Wal-Mart, for example, owns 10-15% of the total retail marketplace. The next nine retailers (to round out the top 10) own another 15-20% of the market (the total for the top 10 is 30%, and I'm not sure how much Wal-Mart controls). Those "800 pound gorillas" determine how the retail space will go. They have enough clout to offer discounts or not. For example, Wal-Mart sued (and won) Visa and MC who were charging fees on debit cards. The little guy can't do that. The little guy, a/k/a/ independent retailers or momma poppa stores represent 70% of the market. For them to compete they need new and innovative products and services. So they seek products that can't be purchased in the 800 pounders. Hence they can get extra margins. So, they would be ideal candidates to use gold payment to either increase margins or pass on savings. I write a column for Gifts Decorative Accessories magazine, and am heavily involved in the retail space. My engagement prior to Standard Reserve was as Chief E-Commerce Officer for Silk Road Gifts, Inc. where we represented the largest giftware manufacturers in the world, and sold to the 800 pounders. I initiated a program to sell to the independents, and learned a lot about their particular needs. It would be similar to you competing with the Treasury department (in scope, not functions). The independents need help. George __ George Matyjewicz, Chief Executive Officer Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA Acct# 120018 Tel: 770-300-3070 Ext 2818 World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Comments on egold sale
WE have noted the comments about our egold sale and want to add our 2 cents worth. 1. WE did some checking on our customer and do not believe that they are involved in anything illegal. 2. we do not believe in the current know your customer rules and support the old fashioned values of financial privacy. this means that our client's financial affairs are NONE OF OUR BUSINESS, unless it becomes obvious that they are invovled in fraud or something dishonest, in which case their accounts will be closed immediately. 3. WE strongly agree that someone is innocent until proven guilty. It is obvious that BB has brainwashed most of society into accepting its bullshit. Unlike Standard REserve, we don't want to know who our customers are. This crap started a few years ago,a nd unless people start putting their foot down and say YOU MAY NOT INVADE MY PRIVACY, we will soon not have any privacy left. If you want to receive articles every week on these issues, we invite you to subscribe to our newsletter Offshore Destiny. OUr vision of the future is really a return to the past, where there was trust between banker and customers, and privacy in financial matters. Eventaully, even mainstream so called businesses will catch on to this concept, and when enough people tell the government NO, there will be nothing they can do but comply with our wishes. Use encrypted email. Get yoruself out of the onshore banking system, and live free. Don't sell yourself back into slavery. To subscribe to this ezine, send your subscriptionrequest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a final comment, I will not sit silently any longer and let ourselves be insulted with little insinuations and digs. ONe party on this list who was promoting his product recently said that he doesn't offer totally anonymous debit cards because he doesnt' believe in them and is skeptical about them. He then insinuated that the only people who would use this were criminals. What a bunch of horseshit! Since when is someone who simply doesn't want the government's or anyone else's nose in their busuiness automatically a criminal? How far have we fallen from the values of personal privacy to even allow ourselves to entertain such ludicrous and imbicilic notions? I guess it's the work of the government run youth propaganda camps, otherwise known as the public schools that have implanted such drivel into our minds. I am dedicated to fighting for privacy and freedom in anyway that I can and in giving people the tools to give the finger to BB should they choose. We have those tools now, and we will explain to people exaclty how to use them to their full advantage on a new page on our website coming soon. Folks, whether you are aware of it or not, we are in a WAR -- THE WAR AGAINST BB! In order to win this war, we must do something EACH AND EVERY DAY to enhance not only our own freedom, but to widen the circle of freedom wider and to educate people about this problem. Government is never the solution to a problem, IT ALWAYS IS THE PROBLEM! Who starts all the wars for personal gain and spills innocent blood worldwide for petty reasons of greed, ego, and vanity? Who murders millions upon millions of people? Who tries to control your live every way they can? Who wants to put a microscope up your ass and a microchip in your hand to monitor [literally] every move you make? This is the future, folks, unless we put a stop to it now! Putting your money and other assets beyond the reach of BB is one of the biggest strikes for freedom you can make. My suggestion to everyone is that they get rid of all tangible assets in the power of BB, and then transfer the liquid assets that result down some rat hole so deep that BB will never find it. If enough of us do this, and if enough of us stop aiding and abetting the thief who steals in the name of taxes [ALL TAXATION IS THEFT, AND IMMORAL], BB will run out of gas and simply wither away. The government's so called war on drugs is really a WAR ON YOU AND YOUR FREEDOM! wAke up to this today, and declare a private war of your own -- A WAR ON BB! Do it today, for your sake, and the sake of your children, because if you don't take a stand RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW, there may be no tomorrow, unless you are willing to DIE for your freedom. Right now you don't have to die, you just have to vote with your money and your feet. Tomorrow may be a different story. Sorry for this rant, but I am fed up with the snide remarks that have been directed towards us and our stand for privacy. So, should you give SR your SSN or other government issued piece of crap? NO WAY! John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list
[e-gold-list] Re: Standard Reserve and Privacy
The SS# requirement also stopped my application for their debit account. I'm also curious why SR want this number. I can see the need for a passport number or driver's license number for identification purposes (even though it is pretty useless without verification). But AFAIK a social security has nothing to do with 'telling who you are'. (I must admit that I do not know too much about social security numbers in the US. In the country I live in, it is even illegal for businesses to ask for a social security number.) 1. SR is not really opening up to international clients, and you can tell this from their application form. I checked that I was from Costa Rica and therefore did not fill in an SSN as per directions,b ut their system bounced the application for that reason, so I typed in 999-99-. That worked. I was able to submit a test application without SSN, claiming to live in Antigua and Barbados. (note to SR: feel free to delete account 120861) they are showing that they are not part of the freedom movement, but a part of the system most egold users are trying to get themselves out of. SR never claimed to be part of the freedom movement. In fact, they made a clear business decision not to be part of it. If you don't like that: don't do business with them. Time will tell if more people feel like you. Edwin --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Standard Reserve and Privacy
George, Please let me be one of the first SR Agents and e-gold Market Makers to publicly thank you for your efforts: Ours is not an anonymous service, never has been, and was never touted as such. Rather, we actually verify that the applicant is who they say they are. We owe that to our agents who take the risk. We need to verify that you are who you say you are. On this list there have been many reports of fraud, rip offs, etc. Ask any of the market makers about the issues with fraud. We are trying to avoid that. I am quite sure I will not be the last. What many individuals who are concerned about privacy do not understand is that the current e-gold system is ripe with abuse. (Sniff..sniff...can't you smell that?) Anonymous services are great and have many wonderful uses, but open up those of us who act as portals into the system to the targeting eyes of thieves, scoundrels and counterfeiters. I do not think it is anyone's business HOW someone spends his or her money. However, as an SR agent and e-gold Market Maker, it IS my business if the payment someone is sending to me to obtain these currencies is legitimate. We have seen a dramatic increase in the use of stolen credit cards, counterfeit checks, bogus money orders, so on and so on! The only way for our company to accept these forms of payment and fund accounts is to know that the person sending the payment is the person they claim to be. John makes several good arguments about BB and the use of SS #'s. I personally am VERY skeptical about giving mine over the Internet no matter WHO is asking and HOW secure they claim to be. I prefer to mail it by snail mail. Is there a chance that a drivers license and/or SS card can be photocopied and notarized as proof of identity? This may ease some of the privacy buffs concerns about hackers hitting the SR on-line databases. To those of you out there that do not want ANYONE to know who you are or HOW you spend you money, I ask you what faith does someone in my line of work have in accepting a payment from you? You have to obtain your e-gold and SR-AUG and SR-USD somewhere with fiat currency. Unless you send cash via mail (which is NOT recommended) certain trust must be demonstrated. Proving to me you are who you claim to be is the basic foundation of any client/service relationship I see as mutually beneficial. This is done by being verified by Standard Reserve's system. Lastly, if you STILL desire to remain 100% anonymous, might I suggest my secret "Invisible Man Formula"? Guaranteed to turn you invisible! No one will know who you are, where you are from, or how you spend your finances. Just send me, oh, $25 K in an unmarked envelope with no information inside in small USD, non-sequential bills. It will work...trust me:0) As always, these are just my opinions and not meant to become part of any routine medical treatment, diet and exercise plan, or for children under the age of 21 years of age. Some assembly required. Batteries not included. Gaithman's Invisible Products: www.nosuchplaceonearth.com Happy New Year! Eric - Original Message - From: George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:59 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Standard Reserve and Privacy At 01:06 PM 12/29/2000 -0600, Destiny Worldwide wrote: I have noted several things about Standard Reserve, all of which I do not like. We were going to use Standeard Reserve and even introduce clients to it, but it is obvious that Standard reserve intends to play by the rules of Big Brother, something that we abhor: 1. SR is not really opening up to international clients, and you can tell this from their application form. I checked that I was from Costa Rica and therefore did not fill in an SSN as per directions,b ut their system bounced the application for that reason, so I typed in 999-99-. That worked. Standard rEserve needs to learn that it is ILLEGAL to demand a SSN frm soneone, and that the provision of an SSN is 100% voluntary, and they need to make provision for this. By acting like the BB banks, they are showing that they are not part of the freedom movement, but a part of the system most egold users are trying to get themselves out of. Also, SR says that they are doing this to apeal to a larger market. Well, in actuality, the future is AWAY form BB. As the internet grows in power and net currencies based offshore, along with offshore services such as ours, WE will someday become the mainstream, not the other way around. Locating themselves onshore and spending a ton of money to comply with ridiculous US government regulations that force them to SPY on their customers liek the banks is surely the wrong thing to do. It woudl have been better if they had gone in the direction of Goldmoney and located themselves safely OFFSHORE. Even egold eventually
[e-gold-list] Re: Comments on egold sale
Destiny Worldwide, and all others interested in doing business with Standard Reserve. Our application form currently demands a SSN because the US-based identity verification service requires it. We use this service because it quickly and cost effectively ascertains the consistency of the identity details. This process quickly tells us the low-risk applications, which we then approve automatically. This process also quickly assists us in identifying suspicious applications. Several applicants have already attempted to use other people's identities. Identity theft is as morally abhorrent as privacy abuse. Credit card fraud studies clearly show a correspondence between identity theft and financial criminal activity. (People who steal others' identities usually have no compunction stealing and scamming other things.) You may be pleased to know that, just last night, an Individual Sovereign opened an account with us. The process was slower, slightly more cumbersome, and certainly more expensive for Standard Reserve ... but we will not turn away any paying customer with whom we can establish a relatively "trusted" relationship. If anyone wishes to do business with Standard Reserve but have serious concerns with sending their SSN to us, please email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will find that the people operating Standard Reserve are somewhat more flexible than our IT bsystem. And, may I add, Standard Reserve management have already begun exploring some *options* for US-based customers who do not wish to divulge their SSN. We have begun discussing the optional use of other notirized forms of identity verification. I can't guarantee when we will implement a more flexible application form, as we still have quite a bit of work to do on our system in order to bring you all the capabilities we dream of providing you, but we will deal with this in due course. People: Destiny Worldwide calls for a return to old-fashioned values of trust; the personnel of Standard Reserve support such a call. We want each of our customers to begin establishing 'trust' with us by revealing who they are. [We're not hung up on obtaining your SSN ... (email us for other means of signing up!) But we do hope that most financial criminals will avoid doing business with us.] This is the least we can do for our Agents. For it is our Agents who absorb the risk that enables all of us to move from non-trusted, non-trustable, always-reversible transactions systems to a non-reversible transaction system. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Standard Reserve and Privacy
I personally am VERY skeptical about giving mine over the Internet no matter WHO is asking and HOW secure they claim to be. I prefer to mail it by snail mail. Interesting. I personally have always been more comfortable providing my details over a 128-bit encrypted SSL session than providing them over-the-counter or through-the-mail. But perhaps that's just me ... seeing as I've spent the last five years putting financial institutions on the Internet. (In December 1995, I was part of a team that put St George Bank, in Australia, on the Internet. We followed up by putting Australia's then-largest bank on the Internet. So far so good: no security breaches.) Is there a chance that a drivers license and/or SS card can be photocopied and notarized as proof of identity? This may ease some of the privacy buffs concerns about hackers hitting the SR on-line databases. Eric, hackers won't find SSNs or other identity details online. We retain online only the information required to operate the account. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Privacy, Credit Real Money
The issue of identifying people is not the issue. The real issue is with mishonoring created credit on or to a stolen credit card. E-gold started out in the right direction in dealing exclusively with funded accounts. Can't spend what you don't have. Like cash in the pocket. Credit cards are a license to access (via a sponsoring bank or agent) fractional reserve banking (creation of credit) on a personal level. This is a bogus scheme based on a prior bogus scheme - fractional banking. Bogus money created from bogus money is still bogus money. Many people are "forced" into a stealing situation because they do not have sufficient "money" to survive on. This desperate situation was created by the same fractional reserve banking through endless creation of more and more credit backed by nothing. The result is inflation which destroys the value of "money" thereby forcing people to get more - all the time - getting more - to maintain any given standard of living. (Raw greed for power to satiate fear is something else again.) The solution is not in dealing with effects (credit) of a corrupted system. The solution lies in trashing the culprit and beginning anew - on solid financial footing - GOLD or other commodities. With asset based wealth there is no inflation and no consequent pressure to "get more". Personal honor is restored and the general system has permanency. There can be no theft through credit card smoke and mirrors. The solution then (IMHO) is to trash the existing system - or refuse to deal with it at the same time replacing it with asset based real money. Anything short of a total reconstruction is stirring the pile into a greater mess. E-gold is on the right track. With such a system identification is a mute issue as it ought to be. S/He who owns the login and password owns the gold. More credit (with its attendent problems) is not the solution. Wider access to (verifiable) assets promise greater freedom and stability. -- Regards, Dale Pond Delta Spectrum Research http://www.SVPvril.com Sympathetic Vibratory Physics Sacred Science - Sacred Life SVP Discussion Forum: http://www.egroups.com/list/svpvril/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Standard Reserve and Privacy
"Loryn E. Jenkins" wrote: I personally have always been more comfortable providing my details over a 128-bit encrypted SSL session than providing them over-the-counter or through-the-mail. But perhaps that's just me ... Interesting. Providing personal information to ANY person should always be suspect: http://www.svpvril.com/cofe.html PS: I appreciate the "new and open" policy just posted by SR. It's a step in the right direction. -- Regards, Dale Pond Delta Spectrum Research http://www.SVPvril.com Sympathetic Vibratory Physics Sacred Science - Sacred Life SVP Discussion Forum: http://www.egroups.com/list/svpvril/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Reminder... Mac Crypto Jan 29th - Feb 1st
--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:55:58 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Vinnie Moscaritolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Reminder... Mac Crypto Jan 29th - Feb 1st Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all; Below is a preliminary list of talks scheduled for the Millennium Edition of the Mac Crypto/ Internet commerce workshop. The conference will be held at Apple's Deanza 3 Auditorium from Jan 29th - Feb 1st . I have had a lot of people propose talks but only a few have actually sent me their abstracts. If you are on the list below and would like to correct the abstracts, please send me the updated text. If you are not on the list but plan to talk, then send me the abstract now. thanks. -- Jonathan D. Callas Counterpane Internet Security "The Effect of Anti-Circumvention Provisions on Security" One of the properties of digital Intellectual Property (IP) is that it can be easily reproduced, modified, and transferred. In response, IP owners have created creating new security technologies for controlling the digital works. Inevitably, this creates an opportunity for those who can circumvent those technologies. --- Will Price, Director of Engineering PGP Security, Inc. "PGP Future Directions" Will Price will discuss new technologies in PGP such as Key Reconstruction, Instant Messaging encryption, PGP for Wireless, and future directions of PGP on the MacOS platform. -- Jean-Luc GIRAUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Security Architect". Gemplus (www.gemplus.com), "Introduction to Smartcards" This tutorial gives a general overview of the smartcard technology and its added value for cryptography and security. Classical smartcard concepts (card life cycle, smartcard structure, required infrastructure,...) are covered along with recent ones like open cards (Javacard,...). New applications and potentail security enhancements to MacOS X are given. Finally, the current state of the art in smartcard security is described. A lot of ressources are listed to give attendees the opportunity to access more detailed information. -- Charles Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED], Partner, BEK Ventures, "Secure, Real-Time Financial Transactions Using WebFunds on the Mac." The talk will center on real-world transfer of value in the form of either a) exchange among commodity-back electronic currencies or b) trading of shares in micro-enterprises. -- Vinnie Moscaritolo KF6WPJ ITCB-IMSH http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ PGP: 3F903472C3AF622D5D918D9BD8B100090B3EF042 --- WARNING: POLITICALLY INCORRECT AREA All P.C. Personnel entering these premises will encounter gravely offensive behavior and opinions. (SEC4623. Ministry of political incorrection security act of 1995) RAMPANT INSENSITIVITY AUTHORIZED --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Comments on egold sale
1. WE did some checking on our customer and do not believe that they are involved in anything illegal. Not to pick nits but the issue which concerned me is not whether they are involved with anything illegal (after all taxation is legal) but with anything dishonest. I think this is what you meant and that you have satisfied my concern. Sorry for this rant, but I am fed up with the snide remarks that have been directed towards us and our stand for privacy. It was a magnificent "rant". It made me stand up and cheer. I could not agree with you more. Let me assure you that my comment was not intented as an insult, insinuation, dig or snide remark. I *am* concerned with all the scams and crooks that e-gold has attracted that are preying on the gullible and making things miserable for the market makers. I think that if honest people are to succeed in accomplishing the goals you championed so passionately it will be necessary not only for us to maintain our own privacy but to devise ways of doing it that deal with the problems created by the crooks. Best, CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] SR Identity
Contrary to the comments of Matyjewicz and Jenkins, Standard Reserve has no legitimate business concern with establishing anyone's identity. Their actual business interest is only in establishing that their accounts are controled by the true owners of the funds therein. These are two different things. Identity is irrelevant. They are using the first as a proxy for the second. This follows what has gradually become current practice in the US. Jenkins acknowledges that this is due in part to the fact that SR is using a US based verification service not because it is functional. I suggest that this practice has developed not so much because it serves as a good proxy but because it has been encouraged by BB because it serves the interest of the state in monitoring, controling and enslaving us all. I also suggest that SR would be better served by firing their verification service and devising a real way to accomplish their actual objective that is compatible with the interests of their potential customers. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
At 07:45 PM 12/29/2000 -0500, CCS wrote: I also suggest that SR would be better served by firing their verification service and devising a real way to accomplish their actual objective that is compatible with the interests of their potential customers. Any suggestions? We have been searching for a service that would be able to verify accounts worldwide. So far we have only found US-based companies. George __ George Matyjewicz, Chief Executive Officer Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA Acct# 120018 Tel: 770-300-3070 Ext 2818 World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Indentity Theft vs. Anonymous services
Loryn, But we do hope that most financial criminals will avoid doing business with us.] This is the least we can do for our Agents. For it is our Agents who absorb the risk that enables all of us to move from non-trusted, non-trustable, always-reversible transactions systems to a non-reversible transaction system. Well said! Yes, we agents appreciate the fact you are aware of the risk we are taking. Agents are the portals that allow customers into the Gold Economy. The drawback is that we also make wonderful targets for those you mention: Identity theft is as morally abhorrent as privacy abuse. Credit card fraud studies clearly show a correspondence between identity theft and financial criminal activity. (People who steal others' identities usually have no compunction stealing and scamming other things.) I think MOST of the privacy buffs fear the SS # requirement solely for one main reason: they want this Gold Economy to remain tax free. In the US, using a SS # means that at the end of the year Big Brother will know what you did with your money. If we can overcome that stigma by utilizing the alternate forms of identity verification, we may all be on to something bigger that most of us have conceptualized even to this point. Then again, hats off to the *old days* (before my time!) when a handshake meant your word, and your word meant *something*! Perhaps those days will return someday, until they do, I prefer to know the man/woman on the other end of that reputable payment that arrives in my office mailbox. By the way, my apologies for not getting back to you this afternoon. I was just walking out the door and in the midst of a conversation with a fellow Market Maker. Ironically, he was inquiring how to obtain a court order to hold account values. He had just been scammed by five individuals utilizing PayPal. So much for trusting those you do not know (People who steal others' identities usually have no compunction stealing and scamming other things.) You said it best, Loryn! Feel free to call me if you are still working or have some free time. You have my cell phone number. Eric Gaither - Original Message - From: Loryn E. Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 4:18 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Comments on egold sale Destiny Worldwide, and all others interested in doing business with Standard Reserve. Our application form currently demands a SSN because the US-based identity verification service requires it. We use this service because it quickly and cost effectively ascertains the consistency of the identity details. This process quickly tells us the low-risk applications, which we then approve automatically. This process also quickly assists us in identifying suspicious applications. Several applicants have already attempted to use other people's identities. You may be pleased to know that, just last night, an Individual Sovereign opened an account with us. The process was slower, slightly more cumbersome, and certainly more expensive for Standard Reserve ... but we will not turn away any paying customer with whom we can establish a relatively "trusted" relationship. If anyone wishes to do business with Standard Reserve but have serious concerns with sending their SSN to us, please email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will find that the people operating Standard Reserve are somewhat more flexible than our IT bsystem. And, may I add, Standard Reserve management have already begun exploring some *options* for US-based customers who do not wish to divulge their SSN. We have begun discussing the optional use of other notirized forms of identity verification. I can't guarantee when we will implement a more flexible application form, as we still have quite a bit of work to do on our system in order to bring you all the capabilities we dream of providing you, but we will deal with this in due course. People: Destiny Worldwide calls for a return to old-fashioned values of trust; the personnel of Standard Reserve support such a call. We want each of our customers to begin establishing 'trust' with us by revealing who they are. [We're not hung up on obtaining your SSN ... (email us for other means of signing up!) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: newsletter subscription address
You may subscribe to my e-group also. for updates and news. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind regards, Michael Moore[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.gold-today.comSign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here.https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 - Original Message - From: Destiny Worldwide To: e-gold Discussion Cc: e-gold Discussion Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 7:43 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] newsletter subscription address I just logged into my egroups page for that group and this is what it says is the address to subscribe to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the opposite order I had it on the list and in my newsletter template. I am certian that when I set up the template, I cut and pasted this address directly form egroups so as not to make an error, but maybe they changed it since merging with Yahoo. I dont' know. Either way, the correct information is above. Thanks, John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) -Original Message-From: Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Destiny Worldwide [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, December 29, 2000 2:06 PMSubject: Re: [e-gold-list] Comments on egold sale John, I understand what you say. I clicked your link to subscribe but e-groups sent it back as a: Your message was sent to a group that does not exist. Please checkto make sure you spelled the group name correctly I would like to subscribe however. I have been watching SR ... I notice the words fractional. and loans now creeping in. Interesting huh! Kind regards, Michael Moore[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.gold-today.comSign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here.https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 - Original Message - From: Destiny Worldwide To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 6:38 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Comments on egold sale WE have noted the comments about our egold sale and want to add our 2 cents worth. 1. WE did some checking on our customer and do not believe that they are involved in anything illegal. 2. we do not believe in the current know your customer rules and support the old fashioned values of financial privacy. this means that our client's financial affairs are NONE OF OUR BUSINESS, unless it becomes obvious that they are invovled in fraud or something dishonest, in which case their accounts will be closed immediately. 3. WE strongly agree that someone is innocent until proven guilty. It is obvious that BB has brainwashed most of society into accepting its bullshit. Unlike Standard REserve, we don't want to know who our customers are. This crap started a few years ago,a nd unless people start putting their foot down and say YOU MAY NOT INVADE MY PRIVACY, we will soon not have any privacy left. If you want to receive articles every week on these issues, we invite you to subscribe to our newsletter Offshore Destiny. OUr vision of the future is really a return to the past, where there was trust between banker and customers, and privacy in financial matters. Eventaully, even mainstream so called businesses will catch on to this concept, and when enough people tell the government NO, there will be nothing they can do but comply with our wishes. Use encrypted email. Get yoruself out of the onshore banking system, and live free. Don't sell yourself back into slavery. To subscribe to this ezine, send your subscriptionrequest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a final comment, I will not sit silently any longer and let ourselves be insulted with little insinuations and digs. ONe party on this list who was promoting his product recently said that he doesn't offer totally anonymous debit cards because he "doesnt' believe in them and is skeptical about them." He then insinuated that the only people who would use this were criminals. What a bunch of horseshit! Since when is someone who simply doesn't want the government's or anyone else's nose in their busuiness automatically a criminal? How far have we fallen from the values of personal privacy to even allow ourselves to entertain such ludicrous and imbicilic notions? I guess it's the work of the government run youth propaganda camps, otherwise known as the public
