[e-gold-list] DBCs now issued by DMT
I suppose that if it's not blinded, or at least functionally anonymous, like you'd get with statistically-tested streaming cash, it's not *that* bearer, but, hey, that's just *my* opinion, right? :-). I would assume that anything that has accounts with client names on them is probably not bearer, either, though Mark Twain did something quite like that. Which, not coincidentally, brings us back to the loading problem. Most of us who think about these things have gotten to the point that Doug Barnes got to with his Mondex talk at the FC97 rump-session: that is, you need a popular internet payment system to collateralize/load whatever bearer certificate you issue, and the faster that settles, the better. We're getting there, maybe even faster than we think. Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text Status: RO Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:55:54 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DBCs now issued by DMT Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digital Monetary Trust now supports Digital Bearer Certificates. https://196.40.46.24/dmtext/jog/dmt_bearercert.htm Although the DBC are not blinded, DMT claims it maintains no client data on its accounts so there is a modicum of anonymity in transactions. steve A State must pay attention to virtue, because the law is a covenant or a guarantee of men's just claims, but it is not designed to make the citizens virtuous and just -- Aristotle --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: DBCs now issued by DMT
At 4:06 PM -0800 on 12/3/02, Somebody wrote: I forgot to ask: who the hell is DMT? Nobody I ever heard of... How are they marketing this stuff - on a website with only an IP address... :-). or, who have they gotten to use it thus far? Nobody I ever heard of... However, that old volcano's giving off some tasty beta-waves, dontcha think? Cheers, RAH [Sounds like a low C to me...] -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: DBCs now issued by DMT
At 4:03 PM -0800 on 12/3/02, Somebody wrote: Using xmlrpc for message passing, no less! Man, you gotta love that for simplicity. One mustn't let the best kill the good enough, certainly, though, without blinding, it'll be interesting if this airplane lifts its wheels, security-wise. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: DBCs now issued by DMT
--- begin forwarded text Status: RO Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:06:12 -0800 Subject: Re: DBCs now issued by DMT From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 01:55 PM, Steve Schear wrote: Digital Monetary Trust now supports Digital Bearer Certificates. https://196.40.46.24/dmtext/jog/dmt_bearercert.htm Although the DBC are not blinded, DMT claims it maintains no client data on its accounts so there is a modicum of anonymity in transactions. Well, on the Modified May Anonymity Scale, where would take a billion years to crack is good, and where will require subverting 20 servers and cracking each's mapping is OK, this rates a takes a phone call, which makes it not good. Trust us. Boring. Thinking this is a step in the right direction is like thinking building a tall tower is a step toward going to the moon. --Tim May The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. --John Stuart Mill --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Riiight... (was re: E-gold Departament)
--- begin forwarded text Status: RO Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:47:54 GMT From: www.e-gold.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: E-gold Departament Login to access your e-gold account The administration of payment system E-Gold informs: That you have not correctly entered the personal information. Please, go into the E-gold account and correct the personal data! Account Number: https://www.e-gold.com/acct/help.asp# Store my account number on my computer. (https://www.e-gold.com/acct/help.asp#more info...) Passphrase: https://www.e-gold.com/acct/help.asp# javascript:opensrk() Turing Number: https://www.e-gold.com/acct/help.asp# Enter sequence of numbers displayed in grid directly above. (https://www.e-gold.com/acct/gen3s.asp?x=2025y=B4A525530228EA256BC0AEBAF2C85032Audible Turing Number) http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/pgpkey.htm#about passphraseForgotten Passphrase? Click for help with a selection. © 2000 e-gold Ltd. --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Business Idea
At 11:20 AM -0500 on 10/9/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoever owns the music, owns the music, end of story. Wrong. Who ever owns a *copy* of the music, owns a *copy* of the music. The fact that the law isn't keeping up with the technology isn't the fault of the technology. It would be quite simple to create a recursive-auction market for *copies* of a given bit of content/software that would pay *substantial* amounts of money for the *first* copy, and marginally over the cost of bandwidth for the last copy. Look, Ma, the people who make the best new stuff make the most money, and, guess what, no lawyers... Hettinga's definition of Intellectual Property: If it's encrypted, and I have the key, it's my property. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Business Idea
At 6:51 PM -0600 on 10/9/02, John Kyle wrote: If I spend the next 6 months in my attic writing a sequel to Atlas Shrugged, and the moment I begin to sell them someone posts the entire thing to the internet and everyone downloads it for free, where is the justice in that? It's not justice. It's foolishness. It's what you get for not auctioning that content off to the highest bidder, over, and over, and over, until the bid price is cheaper than your cost of storage. I expect that if you did that, you'd make more than the average book advance, which is what most authors end up with, and, probably, *way* much more, if people want what you're selling. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Winnner! (was Re: Triumph the Fabulous ......)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 9:21 AM -0400 on 10/2/02, James M. Ray wrote: Correct! (I was expecting Bob H. to get it!) Please send me your account number. Paradoxically, RAH was out helping with a warehouse move yesterday, both to help a friend and to work off a rather large Harvard Club bill. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. ;-). Cheers, RAH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPZtOvcPxH8jf3ohaEQJG4gCgqM2EHmKRpYBuQUuGObA+EQt8NkMAn3nb RqJIzeu3dZ9tOJtlIKRKm3xX =FmgF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] On the outright laughability of internet democracy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (was Re: [dgc.chat] Re: [e-gold-list] Re: Thanks to Ragnar/Planetgold and Stefan/TGC) At 12:53 PM +0200 on 8/10/02, Arik Schenkler wrote: Internet voting, IMHO, will bring true democracy rather than a representatives democracy. Well, that's just plain wrong. Go look up discussions on google about cryptographic protocols for internet voting. It just ain't possible without the most strict, obscene, biometric, draconian, is a person, non-anonymous methods you ever saw. Lions, tigers, and precious bodily fluids, boys and girls. The point to democracy, in the industrial/agricultural political sense, is one man, one vote. One *anonymous* vote. On the net, paradoxically, that is completely impossible. Votes can be sold. If you fix it so that you can't sell votes without forgoing your identity -- and thus your freedom -- and physically showing up somewhere to vote, or at least proving that you have a device that identifies you as a voter in the most immediate terms possible, you can sell your vote, anonymously, on the net, for whatever the market will bear, and *that* person can *re*sell your vote, and so on, just like it was voting rights to a share of stock. That bit of cryptographic mobiosity is probably down at the semantic level of consistency versus completeness. Somewhere, Goedel and Russell are laughing. The net result, of course, of any kind of truly anonymous internet voting, is anarchocapitalism, where people sell their voting control over assets, including political assets, over and over in secondary markets, on a continuing basis, in real-time. No political small-d democrat (or small-r republican, or small-l libertarian, whatever) I've ever heard of would call that a true democracy. That particular prospect has anarchocapitalists, and crypto-anarchists, out at the bar, buying both Herr Professor Goedel and Lord Russell a beer or two... Cheers, RAH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPVWANsPxH8jf3ohaEQLSXwCg7ohcz+ZCxGsX86HQSXFJHK3OOD8AoJAW 8doH9VU+LyGdpZ4x6zmz74Bv =G4Fp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Fwd: [fc] Financial Cryptography 2003 CFP
At 1:19 PM -0400 on 7/25/02, James M. Ray wrote: (by design, since Bob Hettinga lives in Boston) Bob Hettinga is no longer affiliated, though. Looks like I'm going to be shovelling snow this year. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Credit card usage
At 5:15 PM -0400 on 6/27/02, George Matyjewicz wrote: Does anybody know where I can find credit card usage by region of the world? i.e., number of accounts or percentage of population in Europe, US, Asia, etc.I'm trying to put together some stats on cards vs use of cash vs gold. The Bank for International Settlement has some statistics. Committee for Payments and Settlements page: http://www.bis.org/cpss/cpsspubl.htm Electronic Money Survey: http://www.bis.org/publ/cpss48.htm Technological reccommendations for settlement systems... http://www.bis.org/publ/cpss46.htm etc... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] John Quarterman Debates the Dangers of Internet Monoculture
--- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:57:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: John Quarterman Debates the Dangers of Internet Monoculture Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?day1/221402573ticker= BW2573 MAY 20,2002 10:27 PACIFIC 13:27 EASTERN ( BW)(MA-MATRIX-NET) John Quarterman Debates the Dangers of Internet Monoculture; Founder of Matrix NetSystems addresses the Digital Commerce Society of Boston at the Harvard Club Business/Technology Editors BOSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 20, 2002--John Quarterman, founder and CTO of Matrix NetSystems is speaking at the next meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, June 4, 2002. His presentation, Network Monoculture: Diversity, Survivability, and the Profitability of Internet Commerce will look at the effects of natural and unnatural disasters on Internet performance. An economy based on one crop is fragile, because a single disease, parasite or weather anomaly, could destroy both crop and the economy it supported. The same goes for monoculture communications providers, said John Quarterman. On September 11, the one main telephone company in New York City suffered under excessive demand. The Internet survived, with several providers, keeping people in touch by email and IM. Quarterman describes the Internet as an ecosystem, composed of many interacting parts, ISPs, datacenters, enterprises, end-users, each of them drawing sustenance from the others and from raw materials. He explains how each of them needs to make informed decisions, to create a true market. Diversity will enhance corporate, national and world security. Visibility enables differentiation and thus selection. Making Internet performance visible to ISPs, bandwidth traders and customers can enable evolution of the Internet ecology, and will make this market, added Quarterman. Matrix NetSystems measures Internet performance, verifies service levels and customer connectivity, and offers optimization recommendations. The Insight Management Suite is the first managed service able to quickly identify and isolate Internet performance problems down to the router IP address level globally, on a 24x7 basis. Formed in 1990 (as MIDS) Matrix NetSystems was the first organization to record Internet performance data, as well as create a daily topology and ISP ratings (ratings.matrixnetsystems.com) that are cited the world over. John Quarterman has written seven books related to the Internet, including `The Matrix', the first and only published work to describe all computer networks worldwide. He has consulted for Hewlett Packard, Digital Equipment Corp., MCI, ATT and IBM. The event is taking place on Tuesday, June 4 from 12:00pm - 2:00pm at The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston, One Federal Street. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for tickets. About Matrix NetSystems Formed in 1990 (as MIDS) Austin, Texas-based Matrix NetSystems is harnessing its decade of intellectual capital and productizing it to solve today's Internet-related issues. Today the company offers Matrix Insight, a managed Internet performance measurement service. WithMatrix Insight, enterprise customers gain accurate performance information for the selection, monitoring and management of Internet infrastructure and service providers, resulting in lower costs, as well as improved customer retention. For additional information visit www.matrixnetsystems.com. --30--es/bos* CONTACT: LEWIS PR Alison Merifield 617 / 454 -1104 [EMAIL PROTECTED] KEYWORD: MASSACHUSETTS INDUSTRY KEYWORD: COMPUTERS/ELECTRONICS E-COMMERCE HARDWARE INTERNET NETWORKING SOURCE: Matrix NetSystems ©2002 -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with one line of text: help. --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold
[e-gold-list] Edinburgh Financial Cryptography Engineering 2002 - CFP
--- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:31:51 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], e$@vmeng.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Fearghas McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Edinburgh Financial Cryptography Engineering 2002 - CFP Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Third Edinburgh Financial Cryptography Engineering Conference 28-29 June, 2002 The Signet Library Parliament Square Edinburgh, Scotland C A L L F O R P R E S E N T A T I O N S Edinburgh is again host to the international *engineering* conference on Financial Cryptography. Individuals and companies active in the field are invited to present and especially to demonstrate Running Code that pushes forward the state of the art. STATEMENT OF INTENT In spite of the excesses and tragedies of the Great Dot Com era, we have come to the realization that the Internet, Commerce, and Technology are inextricably related. We are therefore gathered together to study, as a community, the application of Cryptograpy and Information Security to the world of Finance. For it is Finance that drives Commerce, and Commerce, in the modern era, is based on the 'net. This is a technical, practical meet. Presentations of demonstrable technology in the field of Financial Cryptography are invited. As this is a practical conference, we are hoping to accept every demonstrator. THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT This conference is about implementations. Presentations are required to demonstrate working code within the first five minutes. Note that we are delighted to accept proposals from work-in-progress projects. If your demo crashes while honorably attempting to execute, the crowd will still love you. THE VENUE Our Venue is the Upper Library, within the Signet Library, which is a listed building housing the Society of Writers to Her Majesty's Signet. This exclusive conference venue is located in the centre of Edinburgh, within the Royal Mile. ADMINISTRATION Included in the conference admission will be breakfast, lunch and tea coffee breaks. Also included will be the conference dinner in a local Edinburgh establishment. The conference administration will block-book a convenient hotel in the centre of town. Details to be advised. NEXT STEPS FOR PRESENTERS 1. Save the dates 28/29 June 2002, Friday and Saturday on your calendar. It is good to plan on a few extra days, and especially, leaving on the day after, Sunday, will help to get the best fares. 2. Prepare your presentation. Check the evolving programme at http://www.efce.net/programme.html. Propose your presentation by mailing the Programme Chair, Rodney Thayer, at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. Book passage to Edinburgh. Don't forget to stay a few days on either side to see the sights. Check the site for Locatives and Logistics. 4. Work on your presentation. Remember, the main rule is that you demo working code. 5. Get your budget approved / allocated / applied for. Whilst a commercial conference, accepted presenters will pay a deeply discounted fee, to be announced in a forthcoming release. For planning purposes, 200 GBP (approximately 300 dollars or 320 euros) should cover presenter's admission; the hotel should be about 100 GBP ($150 or E160) per night. Also include travel and incidentals in your budget. 6. The call for delegates -- attendees who do not present -- will by published at a later date. If there is someone in your organisation who needs to survey the state of the financially cryptographic art, they can attend as a delegate. For planning purposes, 500 GBP ($750 or E800) should cover the delegate's admission. 7. If you think the conference can benefit your organisation, consider sponsoring. Contact the Sponsorship Chair Fearghas McKay, [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more details. 8. Keep an eye on the conference web site (www.efce.net) for evolving details. EFCE2002 COMMITTEE Fearghas McKay General and Sponsorship Chair[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rodney Thayer Programme Chair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rachel Willmer Finance Chair[EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORSHIP EFCE is supported by these companies active in Financial Cryptography: * Intertrader Ltd, an Edinburgh-based e-payments middleware and applications company. http://www.intertrader.com/ * Declarator.net, a supplier of Distributed Trust Appliances. http://www.declarator.net/ --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
[e-gold-list] Bubble of Gold???
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[e-gold-list] XML/X - part III - Governance
--- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:33:32 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Grigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: XML/X - part III - Governance Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's face it, the governance in the gold world sucks. Just simply utterly sucks. With rocks, as our American friends would say. There is, of course, the rather fine part to do with the physical metal. Granted, with some of the systems, you can have some sort of confidence that there are some gold bars there. London, Zurich, Dubai. Other places that only get visited by us mere net-mortals when our dotcom shares ship in. According to some big 5 (whoops, big 4 and [ac]counting) audit firm, maybe there are some bars somewhere. It is not a system that you can rely on to any great extent, but it can certainly be built upon. But, my gripe here today (and, it is a gripe, but with a purpose) is not with the protection of the bars. (Previously I talked about the use of XML/X for the vanilla communication of transaction information. Now, I'm going to leap 2 layers up in the financial cryptography pyramid and talk about governance. Not, specifically the protection of the bars of metal in a DGC, but the protection of the electronic gold.) What really truly sucks, absent little pebbles but with the thunder of great rolling boulders that pressage avalanches to sweep away tiny struggling economies in the shadow of the mountains of the old world, is the digital side. Let's face it (2), it is rather easy to count bars, but how in all of our experience of 6000 years of counting do we calculate how many electrons are circulating out there and making this gold stuff mean .. well, gold? Actually, it's rather difficult. And it is no surprise that every metallic money system has made a complete hash of it. There is no confidence whatever that there are X golden units on that server related to the apparently escrowed same X' worth of mass of physical gold. Why is this? Simply because ... nobody watches those numbers. Or, the same people that watch the numbers are the ones signing the transfers on the metal. Or, the ones in control of the numbers are not being watched by the ones watching the bars. Or, the ones doing the transactions (wake up, dear reader) are the ones who have no idea whatsoever as to what happened when they clicked that [OK confirm now] button. It's a fact, faceable (3) or deniable, as you choose, that your average DGC has no, zilch zero governance in the digital side of the equation. If you are unsure, consider this. Which system out there publishes the way in which the metal float is increased? Who signs off on that? Does our chosen metal system use outsourced float creation, hand-typed SQL to add a little extra into some table, or something even more arcane? For that matter, how do we know that, when a transfer is done, the same amount of digital gold exists before and after? What is to stop a system administrator simply adding some extra to his account? What system has any methods in place to detect insider access to user accounts? One could go on, but you (yes, that's you, the nominal owner of these transactions) should be getting the point by now. Into all this planetary wasteland of governance lies the unfortunate fact that there is, in (yadda yadda) information theoretic terms absolutely no way that the average DGC can do anything to 'govern' the digital value. Shock horror, what does this mean? Well, look at it from first principles. Someone has to run the server. What does that server do? It runs numbers, hopefully ones formed into nice precise double-entry transfers. Anyone who has access to that server can ... change the transactions. They can move value into secret accounts (cunningly numbered 8 for convenience). They can create unauditable movements of funds by activating frozen accounts in the morning, moving money through them and inactivating the accounts by lunchtime. See the Clearstream operating manual for more information. These gnomes of the backend system can rewind transactions, wind them forward where before there were none, or simply steal value from unwatched accounts and sell it to ... well, who cares. In the same sense that you, the owner of the metal (electronic and/or physical) care about your bars, it is very clear that you should also care about your numbers. Governance of the computer system that is driving the accounts for your average DGC is a most important thing, and a most forgotten thing. What this has to do with XML/X is ... to be described in the following Part IV. --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA The IBUC Symposium on Geodesic Capital April 3-4, 2002
[e-gold-list] XML/X - part II
--- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:25:27 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Grigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: XML/X - part II Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In Part I, I discussed XML/X as a spend or transfer interface. It specifies a standard way to deliver an instruction to a DGC to cause a transaction. XML/X specifies the content of such a request (not how to get it to the server, as will become apparant below). It also assumes that you are in control of the entire process, so it doesn't, for example, address the needs for shopping cart interfaces (SCIs). Sorry about that. For all that, the universe of needs that XML/X addresses remains quite stellar. It is the next need that we talk about in this missive, Part II. It was while we were scratching around thinking how to proceed with implementation that Erwin came up with the extraordinary idea of expanding the transfer interface to cover *all* aspects of a spend system. Thus, using the XML/X interface as the bridge between the backend and the frontend components of a DGC. Or, in other words, a website can talk XMLX/X to a backend that implements the protocol. This opens up a whole new world of possibilities. Some of the most innovative work in digital currencies has been done by simply layering one system on another. That is, creating a new digital currency by reserving and spending through another. This method allows the new upper layer to take the best of the lower, fix the bad parts, and present a superior product to the users. An example for this would be the 1mdc service, which provides a zero-transaction fee access to e-gold. I don't quite understand how it survives as a business, but I don't care: the important thing is that it is out there innovating, improving our economy, testing the edges of our understanding and business models. Or, look at the Islamic Mint's e-dinar which provides a different look feel whilst maintaining the same transactional equation. All achieve slick extensions to the overall capabilities, but at a huge cost: They have to program through to the original systems, which are simply not designed for such layering. Imagine if all systems exposed their essential capabilities through one standard programmable interface: the innovation and experimentation of layering would receive a huge boost. Don't try and program those systems, go out there and build your own, with a standardised XML/X that allows you to talk direct to the metal, almost. Not only that, building a straight DGC would now be de-risked. A potential builder of a system would go out and purchase a standard XML/X backend. Imagine that, would you like single or double entry scoops with your database Sir? How many nodes with that? Start with that discount single entry junior model and upgrade to the real stuff when you get your first customer transaction. Don't knock it, our original Ricardo Issuer lasted until well into 1996 before we upgraded the quantity and quality of entries :-) Then off to the 'Alley for a contract web site to drive your hot new backend. Choose from a team that is good at web sites but thinks a transfer happens in JFK. Try them out on XML. If they still grumble about the airport coffee, you know you are on the right track. Sounds simple, but in that separation lies a huge advantage. Only people who have tried to build these systems know how hard, how almost impossible it is to achieve progress without the right separation between teams. By separating out the backend from the frontend like that, we've created a situation where a backend can be built from ready components. In a nutshell, all DGC transactions are essentially the same. They can all be modelled on a bog-standard double entry accounting engine. So let's get that model encapsulated into an interface; that's what we are trying to do with XML/X. Just as equally, all DGC web sites have a standard set of features. Once the interface is defined, any good and competant web house in the world can produce a good site. The next insight presented by XML/X requires a bit more thought. But, in a sense, whilst it may be only a small step for a programmer standing on the right lunar ladder, it's a giant digital leap into the rarified atmosphere of governance, it's the mass transit system of planetary commuting, it's ... TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM! --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA The IBUC Symposium on Geodesic Capital April 3-4, 2002, The Downtown Harvard Club, Boston mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details... ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found
[e-gold-list] [dgc.chat] XML/X - part I
--- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:03:13 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Grigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [dgc.chat] XML/X - part I Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is with some satisfaction that we announce the first public demonstration of a new project that we've been working on for the last six months. This demonstration is taking place at Java 1 this week, by Erwin Van der Koogh, a programmer with Sun's XML group in Dublin. He's also a WebFunds programmer, having been primarily responsible for the current generation. You can check out a scratch home page for the project at: http://www.webfunds.org/guide/xml/ We were looking some time ago at the difficulty faced by the various merchants in implementing access to the current money providers. As no merchant could really predict where the good money was, so to speak, it was pretty obvious that being able to implement a range of gold-based units was much less risky. But it was also rather impossible. The transfer methods for the systems ranged from pretending to be a browser, to accessing partially complete protocols to .. nothing. None of the systems in place seem to appeal as none of them have actually been thought out from the point of view of what we know about protocols and networks. It behoved us to come up with our own spend system. We were in the throes of developing our own web-based system, and we wanted that bit right. After all, a lot of demand comes from the support of the merchant class (a group we christened as Matildas, but that's a story for another day). Others, such as Intertrader, were still smarting at the cost of having developed access for different systems, and not having been able to efficiently deploy it because of the system bugs imposed on them. And, yet others simply didn't know where to start. It all begged for a standard. We sat down and drew one up. Now, because standards committees tend to be noisy, rumbunctious, and ultimately unproductive, unless they have a *very* solid mission to draw from, we decided not to make this a publicity thing in the beginning. That is, we decided to write it first, then open it up. All well and good, and of course, we chose to do our transfer interface in XML. We called it XML/X as a quick code name for the project, being transactions in XML. The results will be open source, the documentation will be readily available, and no fees will be levied on joining or using. Even though this project is about money, it makes more monetary sense to impose no barriers on its widespread adoption. A quick example might clarify what all this hyperbole is about. Imagine you have some accounts at a standard DGC such as e-gold, goldmoney, or one of those other systems such as PayPal. As a merchant, you want to initiate a transaction from your automated web system to pay out a customer. Or vice versa. So, you open up a connection to the money server and send down a stream of commands to cause it to happen. Here's how you would do it in today's XML/X: TransferRequest Transfer ClientID P9348235 /ClientID Payee E3491 /Payee Payer 34201-543 /Payer Amount 45.23 /Amount Currency Platinum /Currency Memo Slicker than Slick /Memo /Transfer Auth Username iang /Username Password Rock On /Password /Auth /TransferRequest (Take that as an alpha - it's still evolving and is likely to change.) Consider this one feature as an example: In our XML/X, you can do a one-shot transfer and get a reliable result. It's reliable because you can resend it (see the ClientID?), and get the same result - one and only one transaction, as long as the server saw the instruction and acted at least once. That's pretty useful. In fact, it's so useful it is blessed with the otherwise indecipherable term of _idempotency_ (which means, it happens zero times or once, no matter how many times you send it). There are lots of other useful features, but they lack general interest unless one has social disabilities and wears a propellor. How useful would all that be to a cambist? Such near-latin would be even more useful if all systems offered the same interface. By designing in elements of protocols, it makes sense to adopt this one rather than roll your own. As an aside, XML/X incorporates elements from SOX, the most reliable protocol for money I've ever seen, although I admit to being a tad biased. But the best is yet to come... TO BE CONTINUED... Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word Help in the body of the message for help with list subscription. --- end forwarded text -- - - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA The IBUC Symposium
[e-gold-list] DoJ Summons Offshore Credit Cards
--- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:28:13 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DoJ Summons Offshore Credit Cards Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE March 25, 2002 The Department of Justice and The United States Attorney's Office for the Northern District of California today asked a federal court in San Francisco to approve its service of a John Doe summons on VISA International. John Doe summonses permit the IRS to obtain information about people whose identities are unknown. The information expected in response to the summons will help the IRS identify people who use offshore accounts to evade their United States income tax liabilities. There are VISA- sponsored credit, charge or debit cards issued by banks in more than 30 countries, including Switzerland, Latvia, Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Bermuda and numerous Caribbean nations. Also today, in a federal court in Miami, The Department of Justice filed papers reflecting American Express's agreement to turn over records relating to people who may be subject to United States income taxes and who have credit card accounts with addresses in Antigua and Barbuda, the Bahamas or the Cayman Islands. MasterCard has already produced over 1.7 million records, involving over 230,000 accounts, in response to a John Doe summons, According to the IRS, that information will be used in civil audits and criminal investigations. If the MasterCard information is representative of the industry, there could be 1 to 2 million U.S. citizens with debit/credit cards issued by offshore banks. This compares with only 170,000 Reports of Foreign Bank Financial Accounts (FBARS) being filed in 2000 and only 117,000 individual 1040 filers indicating they had offshore bank accounts (tax year 1999). Full press release: http://cryptome.org/doj-doe-cards.htm --- end forwarded text -- - - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA The IBUC Symposium on Geodesic Capital April 3-4, 2002, The Downtown Harvard Club, Boston mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details... ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Fraudulent Escrow Agent
At 4:45 PM + on 3/12/02, major bosco wrote: Well this is interesting news! I thought James Turk at Goldmoney said all the fraud was at E-Gold? He railed on and on about this issue awhile back -- I guess his admin team better get in there and police their own Glass House before throwing stones! Frankly, the whole issue of fraud, or, as I framed it longer ago than I like to think, the Mrs. Grundy on the Bank Board problem, should be *orthogonal* to the payment scheme. Think, for instance, if the Fed were to be required to repudiate all transactions done for drugs, or made with stolen cash. Obviously, that's impossible, because cash is a bearer transaction. Systems like e-gold, and GoldMoney are, of course, book-entry systems, requiring latency in settlement, which in turn requires knowing your customer so you can send him to jail, or freeze his assets, if he lies about a debit or credit. Unfortunately, once you've mastered this syntactic hurdle, so the trades don't break and you have no settlement fraud, you are almost required to enforce semantic fraud, like GoldMoney is doing now. The solution is bearer transactions, someday. Hopefully sooner than you think. shameless-plug See the attached announcement if you'd like to learn more /shameless-plug. One should note, however, that since the Mssrs. Turk didn't offer a sign-up bounty to people who brought in new customers, GoldMoney's initial fraud rate, and it's popularity with HYIPs and other scamsters, is not nearly the one that e-gold had, which might be the origin of James' original claim. Nonetheless. If you do book-entries, you end up playing fraud-cop, and, as we know, that way danger lies, especially for anyone who cares about individual freedom -- or, more to the point, economic efficiency... Cheers, RHA -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: several items of note
At 7:28 AM -0500 on 12/8/01, James M. Ray wrote: At 01:24 AM -0600 12/08/2001, Jim Davidson wrote: Dear Friends, I find myself nodding agreeably quite often with stuff posted from lists by: R. A. Hettinga but I find myself unable to reach www.ibuc.com or www.shipwright.com. Any suggestions? ... Hi. His sites have been down for a bit, but I think Bob's casting about for different (hosting or something?) to get back up and running with the sites. Thanks for your kind words, and have a nice weekend! JMR He's baaack... :-). Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-gold.com/stats.html lets you observe the e-gold system's activity now!
[e-gold-list] Rahn: Defeating Deflation
be made that the uncertainty will remain, that the Fed will not provide enough dollars to meet world demand, and that we will replicate Japan's extended deflation and stagnation. The Japanese themselves rapidly increased the supply of yen during the 1990s but still did not keep up with demand. Even though the Japanese monetary base as a percentage of gross domestic product is about double that of the U.S., they still have neither stopped deflation nor reignited growth. Economic policy makers in Washington are now faced with the situation for which there is no clear road map. What should they do? Given the circumstances, the responsible and prudent policy maker ought to take those actions that will do no harm and are almost certain to make things better. First, the Fed needs to say explicitly that it is adopting price-level targeting again, and that it is going to look at sensitive commodity prices as the indication of where prices are headed rather than the CPI and other lagging indices. The Fed should look at a market basket of commodities; if prices in the basket rise above a predetermined range, the Fed reduces the money supply and vice versa. This change would reduce uncertainty over Fed policy and make it clear that it is going to stop the fall in prices. Second, the Bush administration and Congress need to rapidly remove the many well-known tax, trade and regulatory impediments to economic growth. The president should use some of his political capital to encourage Congress to move on, for example, misguided airline and telecom regulation. He should also take direct action through executive orders to remove counterproductive regulatory and costly reporting impediments. Finally, it is time for responsible economic commentators to debunk the fallacy that we can create economic growth by increasing government spending. If government spending led to economic growth, Japan would have boomed in the 1990s, and socialist economies would have been economic miracles rather than basket cases. The historical evidence is overwhelming that private individuals and businesses spend and invest much more carefully than do governments. Every dollar the government spends is sucked and coerced out of the private sector through taxation or borrowing at considerable cost. The big increase in government spending since Sept. 11 will only be an economic depressant, not a stimulus. We know from Japan the devastating effects of deflation. We also know from that country what policies won't work. Let's not make the same mistakes here. URL for this Article: http://interactive.wsj.com/archive/retrieve.cgi?id=SB1006122442187106640.djm Copyright © 2001 Dow Jones Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Printing, distribution, and use of this material is governed by your Subscription Agreement and copyright laws. For information about subscribing, go to http://wsj.com Close Window -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-metal is a wonderful holiday gift? Avoid the hassle this year!
[e-gold-list] Bin Laden Assassination Politics, pt. 2: (was ip: Bin Ladenrigged oil and gold prices)
--- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:21:54 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Subject: ip: Bin Laden rigged oil and gold prices http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/woil23.xml Bin Laden rigged oil and gold prices - bank chief By Philip Sherwell (Filed: 23/09/2001) OSAMA bin LADEN is believed to have made a massive profit from trading in oil and gold as well as shares on the eve of the suicide attacks blamed on his followers. Ernst Welteke, president of the Bundesbank, said financial investigators had found strong indications of suspicious dealings in gold and oil, as well as unusual movements in airline and insurance shares, in the days before the September 11 attacks in the United States. It appears that terrorist leaders capitalised on their insider knowledge of the planned atrocities to invest in oil and gold, knowing that the prices would rise after the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. Strange stock-market fluctuations have already been identified. European Union finance ministers, meeting in Liege, Belgium, ordered national regulators to investigate the alleged market manipulations. Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, said: Financial institutions in every part of the world should be under an obligation to report suspicious transactions where terrorist money could be in use. Mr Welteke, speaking during a break in the same meeting yesterday, said: There are ever clearer signs that there were activities on international financial markets that must have been carried out with the necessary expert knowledge. He reported an unusual rise in oil prices before the attacks. This could mean that people had bought oil contracts, and later sold them at a higher price. Gold-market movements also needed explaining. Gold, a traditional refuge for investors in times of crisis, has risen in price each day since the attack. Oil prices soared 13 per cent within 24 hours of the atrocities. The money-making operation, thought to have earned millions for terrorist coffers, follows to the word a 1998 exhortation by one of bin Laden's Islamist front groups to kill the Americans and plunder their money. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/01 --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] All That Dissolves May Be Gold
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,46197,00.html All That Dissolves May Be Gold Associated Press 6:17 a.m. Aug. 21, 2001 PDT AMHERST, Massachusetts -- Call them the microbes with the Midas touch. Thriving where most life forms cannot survive, simple microscopic organisms known as extremophiles are performing an astounding feat: turning dissolved gold into solid gold. University of Massachusetts professor Derek Lovley discovered the microbes' special power while experimenting on the use of a similar microbe to clean up toxic waste. Now he's using extremophiles to explain how some gold ore deposits may have formed. See also: The Meaning of Life and Microbes One Giant Leap for Spacekind? Read more Technology news Extremophiles, so named because they live in extreme conditions such as hot springs and volcanic vents in the ocean, inhale dissolved gold and convert it into solid deposits. They use dissolved metals like iron, uranium and gold the same way we use oxygen, Lovley said. The results of Lovley's experiment were published last month in the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology. The conversion that takes place in the extremophile is a simple process: A dissolved metal is absorbed through an enzyme that coats the microbe, and then is excreted as a solid. The solid particles are tiny, but they can be seen if many of them cluster together. Lovley says the process isn't efficient enough to interest jewelry makers, since it would take about a million microbes to generate a gram of solid gold dust. But gold mine owners may want to use the technology to gather traces of the metal that otherwise would be lost in groundwater, Lovley said. Gold droppings from extremophiles are probably what miners found when they searched for gold in the southeastern United States in the early 1800s, said Frank Chapelle, a research hydrologist for the U.S. Geological Survey in Columbia, South Carolina. They expected to find nuggets of gold, he said. Instead, they found tiny traces of gold in sediment that was originally on the bottom of the ocean millions of years ago. Until Lovley experimented with extremophiles, there was no good explanation for the presence of sedimentary gold in some parts of the country, Chapelle said. The idea to study how extremophiles process gold came from an experiment on the use of microbes called geobacters to clean up toxic waste sites. At an Energy Department uranium cleanup site in Gunnison, Colorado, Lovley has stimulated the geobacters' growth so they can essentially draw dissolved traces of uranium out of the groundwater. Once the microbes solidify the dissolved metal, the hardened particles can be scooped up and removed, Lovley said. Related Wired Links: One Giant Leap for Spacekind? July 31, 2001 The Meaning of Life and Microbes April 7, 2001 Copyright © 1994-2001 Wired Digital Inc. All rights reserved. -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-gold Ltd. stores more gold on behalf of customers than many countries? See http://www.gold.org/Gra/Gra1.htm and the e-gold Examiner at http://www.e-gold.com/examiner.html for details.
[e-gold-list] Sigh... (was Re: in search of new metals)
at those applications that require serious non-revocability of the payment. Unlike the systems used by the GBCs, Ricardo includes the governance and auditing chains built in to the software to ensure the servers are as safe from the operators as they are from external agents. For this reason, Ricardo may be the ideal choice for gaming applications, and for financial instrument trading. We can point you at partners in both areas. There are yet more applications waiting to be developed, including some esoteric ones written up in papers and on the mailgroups. In closing, we have the systems, and we would like to see some more metals issuances. Do not think that this is a cheap business. You will need serious funds for this. It is not a garage business by any stretch; the current record is held by DeutschesBank, who were rumoured to have paid a million dollars _per_month_, way back when, for a shot at their cash system. We don't charge that much :) If you have access to a user base and a great idea, contact us. iang --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke mouse- click sniffing trojan viruses? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html
[e-gold-list] Scam Spam: (was re: Q: How do I pan 4 e-gold?)
--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 02 Aug 01 03:34:57 EST From: pan 4 e-gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Future.e-gold.Millionaire Subject: Q: How do I pan 4 e-gold? Reply-To: email admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comments: Authenticated sender is [EMAIL PROTECTED] = THIS IS A TIME AND DATE SENSITIVE MESSAGE Pan 4 e-gold and generate $1000's in gold monthly. Q: What is e-gold? A: Electronic currency, 100% backed by REAL GOLD BULLION. With our KILLER APP artificial life program, YOU TOO can make THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS monthly by exchanging valuable information for e-gold. Q: How do I pan 4 e-gold? A: Find out now - read the FAQ at: http://www.geocities.com/pan4egold/ It's FUN! E-gold account AND software are FREE! To Your Success, Andrew Markham Please don't sleep this! = Timestamp:10:00 PM 01/08/2001 This message will only be sent once. To be automatically blocked from future mailingss, reply to this email with REMOVE in the subject box. E.A.# LIST - IMPORTANT - DO NOT DELETE! #1 = 106603 #2 = 342192 #3 = 350780 #4 = 350791 #5 = 350815 --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke mouse- click sniffing trojan viruses? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html
[e-gold-list] ip: GATA: ``Fed's Greenspan and Treasury's O'Neill Continue To Evade Gold Swap Questions''
to the apparent loss of gold ownership of more than 20 percent of the total U.S. gold reserves. The term ``reserves'' obviously connotes ownership, while the connotation ``custodial'' refers to taking care of another's property. The 48-million-plus ounces at the U.S. Mint at Denver, Colo., continued to be reported as ``Gold Bullion Reserve.'' This reporting was both before and after the September reclassification of gold at the U.S. Mint at West Point, and no other ``custodial'' positions for any other location have ever been reported. To further confuse the issue, the categories of ``reserve'' and ``custodial'' gold have both been eliminated as of the May 2001 report. Both categories were consolidated and are now labeled ``Deep Storage Gold.'' Murphy laments: ``Deep storage? Garbled? What is this, some kind of B movie-like charade on the American public?'' ``Treasury Secretary O'Neill is being queried by members of Congress from all over the United States on these but so far has declined to respond to any of them,'' Murphy says. -- Contact: Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Bill Murphy, 214/522-3411 Fax 214/522-4432 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright © 2001 Yahoo! Inc. --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: hyips
At 2:10 PM -0400 on 7/17/01, Viking Coder wrote: The acronym stands for High Yield Investment Program. Scam, for the most part. In actual finance, of course, the higher the yield is, of course, the riskier the investment is, so when someone guarantees a high yield on something it's a contridiction in terms. When I see HYIP in text, I swap pyramid-scheme, and get no visible loss of data... High Yield, is cribbed from, of course, so-called junk-bonds, euphemistically called, in formal finance circles, high-yield bonds. The fact that most junk bonds had proportionately higher total investment returns and interest rates because government prudent man regulations forbid their purchase by pension funds and other institutions -- rather than the dictates of actual financial theory -- further compounded their eventual fall from grace when said regulations were revised when some people made too much money, only compounds the mythos of the High Yield Investment Plan. Whether the Fall of Milken was justice, hubris, or a mere witch-hunt is elided here, for discussion at some other time, in some other venue... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: hyips
At 2:49 PM -0400 on 7/17/01, R. A. Hettinga wrote: The fact that most junk bonds had proportionately higher total investment returns and interest rates because government prudent man regulations forbid their purchase by pension funds and other institutions -- rather than the dictates of actual financial theory -- further compounded their eventual fall from grace when said regulations were revised when some people made too much money, only compounds the mythos of the High Yield Investment Plan. Woops. I seem to have double-compounded that paragraph, thus giving it a, um, higher compound yield, than it really should have had... ducking, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Digigold vs Systemics
At 9:07 AM -0400 on 7/7/01, George Matyjewicz wrote: And who is Andrew Osterman who also contributed to the article? Declan's summer intern, I think... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Freematt Interviews Financial Cryptographer Ian Grigg
to allow the escape valve to exist, elsewise we abrogate our humanity. Only the individual knows when it is a lost cause, only he or she knows that it's time to start over again with a new life. -- Freematt asks question 6: What exactly does your company systemics.com sell? Ian Grigg responds: Systemics primarily licenses its Ricardo Issuance Server, which is a product that you can use to issue and run an Internet currency. Or a share, bond or other fungible thing of value. The client side is the WebFunds.org open source group, and program, that we are setting up. Systemics tries to make money on the issuance side, and we encourage all of our issuer customers to pitch in and improve the software on the user side. We also sell some applications. The design goals for our value architecture, Ricardo, was to support the specific application of financial trading. The buying and selling of stocks, bonds, and other things. We have an exchange and a user plugin to WebFunds which enables those things. For retail, we're working with Intertrader, a Scottish company that provides interfaces for facilitating transactions. They hope to demonstrate at the Edinburgh Financial Cryptography Engineering conference in a couple of weeks, we're hoping to see a seamless transaction flow from retail side, into the financial system and out again, back into the retail side. All crossing from one payment system to another. -- Freematt asks question 7: Where do you see yourself in ten years? What do you want to accomplish both personally and professionally? Ian Grigg responds: I want to see this financial system built. For that, we need partners, lots of them, all acting as equals, as peers. Intertrader is a good example. Their area is in facilitation software for other people's transactions, our area is in the primary transactions for trading. Neither of us wants the other's patch, so we can work together on a range of projects without egos and greed getting in the way. We need other partners that want to issue. The Hansa Bank, here in Anguilla, issues our Ricardian dollar. We'll do the technology, they do the contract that the users rely upon. That's really as far as Hansa is prepared to go for the moment, which is a double-plus for us. Firstly, we get that critical money instrument, and secondly, they are minding their knitting, not trying to create a franchise in wool supply. We're in the process of creating independantly issued instruments for trading. Some of the most exciting opportunities is based on the work I mentioned above by Hernando de Soto. We're looking to take our efficient trading and value management into one of the world's most inefficient but far-reaching financial systems, that of microfinance. I can't really talk about the details, they are still under wraps, but I can talk about the obvious parts. At the moment, microfinance is based on huge chains of volunteer or otherwise soft labour. Hundreds and hundreds of transactions are needed to get a circle of five their first loan, in western terms, the first ten transactions would swallow the principal, let alone any return on investment. We aim to change all that, by giving them transactions and financial industry techniques that work at their level. To know that the ideas that we developed are pushing capital out to small villages, that's a challenge! Where I can get a $2 transaction in 100 milliseconds and $10 trade in less than a second, efficiently. And, do all this into a place where it would take me 5 days to get there physically; places with just a single PC and a satellite dish, but with a repressed urge to work and work and honestly build their way up and out. Knowing that our ideas helped that, that's where I want to be in 10 years. -- iang ** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ** /x-flowed --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Ticker symbol for an ounce of gold?
Hey guys, I got myself a copy of Powerticker, which is pretty cool, for the Macintoids among you, but, all I can find, gold-wise out there, is various contracts at places like, what, Comex?, but no once-price quote symbol for gold. It dawned on me this morning I know a whole list of experts in such things. :-). I figure on somebody's exchange, or somebody's index, has a gold-ounce symbol on it, so, what's the symbol, and where? Silver and Platinum too, I suppose, if that's possible.. Thanks! Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: security
At 12:20 AM -0400 on 5/25/01, CCS wrote: this was not exactly true. The cryptocraphic protocols of digital bearer instruments certainly make them more secure but there still is vulnerability due to the need for communication with a central clearing mechanism. Actually, the double spend database doesn't have to be centralized. -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: security
At 9:22 PM -0400 on 5/23/01, Craig Spencer wrote: Unfortunately, this is not quite accurate. All digital bearer instrument schemes require a central clearing mechanism to prevent double spending. This amounts to an account based system. Fortunately, :-), it doesn't. I've gone over this point with *everybody*, including cryptographers like Ron Rivest, :-), and I can see how you can be confused, but don't conflate an *on-line* system, which is, in fact, necessary for non-repudiation in any current internet payment system, book-entry or bearer, with an *account-based*, or *book-entry* system, like VISA, or ACH, SWIFT, or even E-Gold. For starters, you might want to try reading up on the cryptography of bearer transactions a bit. I'd suggest Applied Cryptography, or, if you're going to actually write code, the CRC Handbook of Applied Cryptography. In an internet bearer transaction system, underwriter doesn't know *who* (except for their IP address :-)) is exchanging the tokens in question, *except* when someone double spends. That's a big difference. The closest thing to record-keeping in a bearer system, the encrypted (m-of-n hashes where both m and n equals 2, for those of you in Rio Linda) copies of spent bearer certificates, can be just *deleted* after some mutually agreed, and financially calculable, period of time, because they contain no useful *information* after some point. In book-entry, account-based systems, you *must* keep a record, an auditable, *readable* record, of *all* transactions you do, and, furthermore, you as the buyer or seller, and not just the financial intermediary, *must* be able to know *who* wrote those records, down to their physical location, so you can call the cops send them to jail if they lie to you during the execution, clearing, or settlement of any trade in question, from the time the transaction is executed until some significant time, usually many years, into the future. Big difference there. If someone lies in an internet bearer transaction, they just break the protocol, and the transaction simply doesn't execute, much less clear and settle. And, of course, internet bearer transactions, per se, don't require lawyers and cops, which maybe nice for individual liberty, and all, but, more mundanely, they just cost too much money to use on a ubiquitous geodesic internet with lots automated transactions flying by. Again, just because non-repudiation -- and, probably, some unknown cryptographic axiom itself necessitating that any participant in a cryptographically strong payment system share some conditionally-revealed secret with a financial intermediary in real-time -- requires us to do only on-line transactions for any transaction to execute clear and settle, especially instantaneously, it doesn't mean that a given transaction system is account-based. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: cashless society drivel
At 12:37 PM -0400 on 5/9/01, Samuel Mc Kee wrote: mostly I found it to be shockingly left-leaning, Nah. they're a windvane. When the Torys are in power, they're Tories. When the commu ^h ^h ^h ^h ^h ^h ^h ^hLabor's in charge, they're Labor. Could be that they fire everyone when the government changes, which is why they have anonymous articles, but that's just a SWAG... I go over about once a month these days, and,, until this gas-tax thing happened, I couldn't find a living soul (well, okay, about 12 living souls) who confessed to having ever *ever* being Tories. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Gold-Age
At 9:05 AM -0400 on 4/29/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone describe me the situation. The Secret Service confiscated their computers. Ask *them* for your money? :-/. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: MORE STATS! MORE! MORE MORE!! WHOO HOO!!!
At 10:29 AM -0500 on 4/14/01, James M. Ray wrote: JP's employees get paid in e-gold, I get paid in e-gold, others do too, etc. We all then use it at more and more places, and it just adds up eventually to stats! The multiplier effect. It's an economy, yes? :-). Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Micropayments
--- begin forwarded text From: "John Michael Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mojonation-users] Micropayments Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mojonation-users, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe List-Id: Mojo Nation user mailing list mojonation-users.lists.sourceforge.net List-Archive: http://lists.sourceforge.net/archives//mojonation-users/ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:33:24 - New competition website kindly seeks any information, assistance and help in the field of micropayments. The proposed site will aim at a worldwide market of players and we would appreciate very much any information anybody may have regarding best companies to use for which global area, implementation and costs of software, payment collections and percentage splits, timescales on revenue payments, onscreen downloading, any licensce or registration necessary for vendor or player, currency conversions. We would also appreciate any information anybody has on becoming a partner for micropayments. All information gratefully received and acted upon. John M _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___ Mojonation-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mojonation-users --- end forwarded text -- ----- R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] ANNOUNCE: Seattle Cypherpunks, 4/14, 12:30 pm, Bellevue
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***Please circulate to all interested parties***
Announcing the first meeting of 2001 of Cypherpunks-Seattle.
When: April 14, 2001 12:30 - 4:00 p.m.
Where: Bellevue Las Margaritas
437 - 108th Avenue N. E., downtown Bellevue
Space is limited, please RSVP to
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Agenda -
Introductions and Open Discussion
E-Gold and other Alternative Currency Systems
Problems and Tradeoffs in Public Key Infrastructures
E-Gold and other Alternative Currency Systems
E-gold has enjoyed increasing success as the first viable
free-market electronic currency. It is privately backed, and
does not rely on any particular government's political stability
to retain its value.
Vince Callaway, who wears hats as both an independent in-
and out-exchange provider for e-gold and Norfed and a software
engineer, will discuss the background of free-market currencies,
some of the current operating paradigms, and will touch on some
of the future prospects for these currencies.
Vince has the distinction of having been an early BBS sysop,
moving into becoming Tacoma's first internet provider in 1991.
He has been involved both in getting Washington State's leginfo
site created, and was instrumental in getting a digital signature
law passed in Washington. Vince also operates a PGP key server.
Problems and Tradeoffs in Public Key Infrastructures
This could hardly come at a better time, after the
announcement that Verisign issued a Class 3 Digital Certificate
to someone who purported to be from Microsoft, but wasn't. This
certificate can be used to code-sign things like ActiveX
controls, macros, and applications. Anyone in possession of that
certificate could present malicious code to an unsuspecting user
and fool that user into accepting it into his computer. ("After
all, it said it was from Microsoft.")
Albert Yang will discuss what PKI--Public Key
Infrastructures--can and cannot do. He will briefly cover the
basics of how PKI works, where it fails, and when and how
certificates can be trusted--and defeated. In addition, Albert
has promised to give a glimpse of some of the new PKI
developments on the horizon.
Albert is currently a security architect and PKI consultant
with Baltimore Technology. Previously, he was a consultant with
RSA. He has several years of background in Linux, BSD, and web
site design and programming.
The cypherpunks meeting is an Open Meeting on US Soil and it is
free for anyone to attend.
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[e-gold-list] BIS: Statistics on Payment Systems in the Group of Ten countries (was Re: The Scout Report for Business and Economics -- April 5, 2001)
At 3:54 PM -0500 on 4/5/01, Scout Project wrote: 1. _Statistics on Payment Systems in the Group of Ten countries_ [.pdf] http://www.bis.org/publ/cpss44.pdf Recently published by the Bank of International Settlements, _Statistics on Payment Systems in the Group of Ten countries_ offers financial data on countries including the United States, Sweden, Japan, and Italy. There are fifteen tables for each country, such as "Settlement media used by non-banks," "Banknotes and coin," "Number of payment cards in circulation," and "Indicators of use of various cashless payment instruments: value of transactions." Comparative tables include "Notes and coins in circulation," "Transferable deposits held by non-banks," and "Institutional framework." All data cover 1995-1999. [EM] -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] FC: U.S. Secret Service raids E-Gold currency exchanger
--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:18:56 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: U.S. Secret Service raids E-Gold currency exchanger User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.2i Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42745,00.html Secret Service Raids E-Gold by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 11:10 a.m. Mar. 30, 2001 PST WASHINGTON -- The Secret Service has raided a New York state business that exchanged dollars for grams of the digital currency called e-gold. A bevy of agents from the Secret Service, Postal Service and local police recently detained the owners of Gold-Age, based in Syracuse, and seized computers, files and documents from the fledgling firm. U.S. Attorney Daniel French said Friday that the investigation involved charges of credit card fraud. "We haven't brought charges yet," French said. "We're in the investigative phase." Gold-Age owner Parker Bradley says that during his eight-hour interrogation on March 12, the Secret Service seemed less interested in credit card fraud and more interested in the mechanics of e-gold. Until last year, Bradley accepted credit cards and paid out e-gold, but said he quit because too many people used stolen credit cards when conducting business with him. "The interrogation became less about me and more about politics and e-gold," Bradley said. "They were trying to get me to blame e-gold for fraud. Just to be blunt, these guys have no clue about how e-commerce works, how e-gold works or what I was doing." E-gold is a 5-year-old firm based on the Caribbean island of Nevis that provides an electronic currency backed by physical metal stored in vaults in London and Dubai. The company says it has 181,000 user accounts and stores about 1.4 metric tons of gold on behalf of its customers. Bradley's Gold-Age company, which he ran with his wife out of their home until the raid, was one of about a dozen e-gold currency exchange services: He took dollars and credited grams of gold, silver, platinum and palladium to a customer's account, less a modest fee. [...] Still unclear is why the raid took place. French indicated that it could be more than a routine credit card investigation, saying "at this point, it's being investigated as a credit card fraud." One possibility is a broader investigation directed at some users of e-gold, which is less anonymous than cash but more anonymous than credit cards. Former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers has warned of malcontents using the Net and encryption to dodge taxes, and it's possible that the feds don't exactly approve of a system that's more privacy-protective than the heavily regulated banking system. Current federal regulations require banks and credit unions -- about 19,000 in all -- to inform federal law enforcement of all transactions $5,000 and above that have no "apparent lawful purpose or are not the sort in which the particular customer would normally be expected to engage." Because e-gold is not a bank that lends money -- it's more akin to a warehouse that stores gold on behalf of its customers -- it's not covered by those rules. Mike Godwin said the raid evokes memories of the notorious Steve Jackson Games raid by the Secret Service a decade ago, which led to the formation of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. [...] - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ----- --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] GoldAge meets SS
--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:48:50 -0800 From: Somebody To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GoldAge meets SS http://www.treas.gov/uss "The Secret Service is also responsible for the enforcement of laws relating to counterfeiting of obligations and securities of the United States, investigation of financial crimes including, but not limited to access device fraud, financial institution fraud, financial identity theft, computer fraud, and computer based attacks against aspects of our nation's financial, banking, and telecommunications infrastructure." "While most people associate the Secret Service with Presidential protection, our original mandate was to investigate the counterfeiting of U.S. currency--which we still do. Today our primary investigative mission is to safeguard the payment and financial systems of the United States. This has been historically accomplished through the enforcement of the counterfeiting statutes to preserve the integrity of United States currency, coin and financial obligations. Since 1984, our investigative responsibilities have expanded to include crimes that involve financial institution fraud, computer and telecommunications fraud, false identification documents, access device fraud, advance fee fraud, electronic funds transfers, and money laundering as it relates to our core violations. "The Secret Service believes that its primary enforcement jurisdictions will only increase in significance in the 21st Century. For this reason, the Secret Service has adopted a proactive approach to monitor the development of technology and continue to use it in the interest of federal, state, and local law enforcement. " "The Financial Crimes Division (FCD) plans, reviews, and coordinates criminal investigations involving Financial Systems Crimes, including bank fraud; access device fraud; telemarketing; telecommunications fraud (cellular and hard wire); computer fraud; automated payment systems and teller machines; direct deposit; investigations of forgery, uttering, alteration, false personation, or false claims involving U.S. Treasury Checks, U.S. Savings Bonds, U.S. Treasury Notes, bonds, and bills; electronic funds transfer (EFT) including Treasury disbursements and fraud within Treasury payment systems; fraud involving U.S. Department of Agriculture Food Coupons and Authority to Participate (ATP) cards; Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation investigations; Farm Credit Administration violations; fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents and fraudulent commercial, fictitious instruments,foreign securities. The Division also coordinates the activities of the U.S. Secret Service Organized Crimes Program, and oversees money laundering investigations." There you go. If there was alleged financial fraud or money- laundering involving Gold-Age (whether or not they are alleged to have participated or only been a conduit), then the SS would be the enforcement and investigation arm involved. --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Secure Accounts Ltd history and Sean Hastings
--- begin forwarded text From: Brad Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Vincent Cate'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Brad Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], e$@vmeng.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Secure Accounts Ltd history and Sean Hastings Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:45:14 -0500 Vince, Thank you for including me in your response. Making no attempt to mediate your dispute, I tried to help a friend who wanted more information so I forwarded it to others I thought might be able to help (apparently, we run in the same circles). While my approach is from the public policy side, I suspect we are all fighting for the same thing: stopping the government from violating our rights and giving individuals more choices. Regards, Bradley -Original Message- From: Vincent Cate [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; e$@vmeng.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Secure Accounts Ltd history and Sean Hastings Sean, the work you did was for Secure Accounts Ltd. On ever piece of code you wrote you put "Copyright Secure Accounts Ltd." (as did other programmers). From the start the idea was to publish the source when the product was launched. This did not mean releasing all rights to our work. We intended to make it free for small users but to make banks/stock-exchanges and other big users pay. Your claim that I agreed to open source the patent so you signed over the rights to me is a lie. The rights belonged to Secure Accounts Ltd all along. I bought out your shares in Secure Accounts Ltd for the price you asked for. I never "originally agreed" to this. In the last month you tried to talk me into it and I decided not to. If you are out to harm my company, I don't want you to have free accounts on my machines any more (Linux security as poor as it is and all) so I am closing the accounts you have with me. Please fill out the form at http://nic.ai/ and send it in to let me know what nameservers you want for your domains (like hastings.ai). Most people in Anguilla seem to use pair.com to host domains as they are good and low priced. -- Vince Original Message Subject: FW: Preventing a bad Patent Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:18:16 + From: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Digital Bearer Settlement List [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], e$@vmeng.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- begin forwarded text From: Brad Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Preventing a bad Patent Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:31:24 -0500 Sean is a friend and fellow traveller down the freedom path. If you could offer any advice, suggestions or referrals, it would be most appreciated. (he is affliated with HavenCo and Sealand, on the front lines protecting our privacy rights!). Thanks. -Original Message- From: Sean Hastings [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:27 PM To: Bradley Jenson Subject: Preventing a bad Patent Bradley, I am asking your advice in this matter, as you are more connected to government stuff than anyone else I know. I did some design work on electronic monetary systems when I was living in Anguilla several years ago. My Partner Vince Cate is currently trying to patent the work we did. Originally he agreed that if he received this patent he would open source it for all to use freely, so I signed the rights over to him. I didn't have any time to do anything with it anyway. Now it looks as if he actually intends to license the patent for a fee if he gets it, and this will have harmful effects on open source eCurrency systems already in existence (of course I did not get his promise not to do this in writing). I do not want to see another case like the RSA patent, or the digicash blinding patent, both of which have chilled the development of an online free markets for years. I also don't think the work is particularly patantable, but I would rather not risk it if there is something I can do. Do you know how I can prevent a patent from being awarded to him? Do you know anyone who would be able to help me in this matter? --Sean Hastings --mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --http://sean.hastings.ai --vmsg/fax:1.800.why.sean --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the e
[e-gold-list] RE: Secure Accounts Ltd history and Sean Hastings
at nameservers you want for your domains (like hastings.ai). Most people in Anguilla seem to use pair.com to host domains as they are good and low priced. -- Vince Original Message Subject: FW: Preventing a bad Patent Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:18:16 + From: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Digital Bearer Settlement List [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], e$@vmeng.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- begin forwarded text From: Brad Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Preventing a bad Patent Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:31:24 -0500 Sean is a friend and fellow traveller down the freedom path. If you could offer any advice, suggestions or referrals, it would be most appreciated. (he is affliated with HavenCo and Sealand, on the front lines protecting our privacy rights!). Thanks. -Original Message- From: Sean Hastings [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:27 PM To: Bradley Jenson Subject: Preventing a bad Patent Bradley, I am asking your advice in this matter, as you are more connected to government stuff than anyone else I know. I did some design work on electronic monetary systems when I was living in Anguilla several years ago. My Partner Vince Cate is currently trying to patent the work we did. Originally he agreed that if he received this patent he would open source it for all to use freely, so I signed the rights over to him. I didn't have any time to do anything with it anyway. Now it looks as if he actually intends to license the patent for a fee if he gets it, and this will have harmful effects on open source eCurrency systems already in existence (of course I did not get his promise not to do this in writing). I do not want to see another case like the RSA patent, or the digicash blinding patent, both of which have chilled the development of an online free markets for years. I also don't think the work is particularly patantable, but I would rather not risk it if there is something I can do. Do you know how I can prevent a patent from being awarded to him? Do you know anyone who would be able to help me in this matter? --Sean Hastings --mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --http://sean.hastings.ai --vmsg/fax:1.800.why.sean --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable toexperience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' /x-flowed --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Secure Accounts Ltd history and Sean Hastings
ts for free for as long as I wanted.
It is now
my standard expectation that you will always act contrary to your stated
ideals and previous promises, when you feel it might be to your
benefit. You
are a hypocrite, but you probably shouldn't feel too bad about
that - most
people are. Its just a shame that I believed your line of bullshit and
trusted you for so long.
If you think that you are not a complete hypocrite, please
explain to myself
and all these other people you have invited into this discussion, how
patenting a method of exchanging account information online fits
with your
self proclaimed wish to free online financial transactions from
governmental
control by force?
--Sean
-Original Message-
From: Vincent Cate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; e$@vmeng.com;
[EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Secure Accounts Ltd history and Sean Hastings
Sean,
the work you did was for Secure Accounts Ltd. On ever piece
of code you
wrote you put "Copyright Secure Accounts Ltd." (as did other
programmers).
From the start the idea was to publish the source when the
product was
launched. This did not mean releasing all rights to our work.
We intended
to make it free for small users but to make banks/stock-exchanges
and other
big users pay.
Your claim that I agreed to open source the patent so you
signed over the
rights to me is a lie. The rights belonged to Secure Accounts Ltd all
along. I bought out your shares in Secure Accounts Ltd for the
price you
asked for. I never "originally agreed" to this. In the last
month you
tried to talk me into it and I decided not to.
If you are out to harm my company, I don't want you to have
free accounts
on my machines any more (Linux security as poor as it is and
all) so I am
closing the accounts you have with me. Please fill out the form at
http://nic.ai/ and send it in to let me know what nameservers
you want for
your domains (like hastings.ai). Most people in Anguilla seem to use
pair.com to host domains as they are good and low priced.
-- Vince
Original Message
Subject: FW: Preventing a bad Patent
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:18:16 +
From: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Digital Bearer Settlement List [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], e$@vmeng.com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- begin forwarded text
From: Brad Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FW: Preventing a bad Patent
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:31:24 -0500
Sean is a friend and fellow traveller down the freedom path.
If you could
offer any advice, suggestions or referrals, it would be most
appreciated.
(he is affliated with HavenCo and Sealand, on the front lines
protecting our
privacy rights!). Thanks.
-Original Message-
From: Sean Hastings [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:27 PM
To: Bradley Jenson
Subject: Preventing a bad Patent
Bradley,
I am asking your advice in this matter, as you are more
connected to
government stuff than anyone else I know. I did some
design work on
electronic monetary systems when I was living in Anguilla
several years
ago.
My Partner Vince Cate is currently trying to patent the
work we did.
Originally he agreed that if he received this patent he would
open source
it
for all to use freely, so I signed the rights over to him. I
didn't have
any
time to do anything with it anyway. Now it looks as if he
actually intends
to license the patent for a fee if he gets it, and this will
have harmful
effects on open source eCurrency systems already in existence
(of course I
did not get his promise not to do this in writing). I do not
want to see
another case like the RSA patent, or the digicash blinding
patent, both of
which have chilled the development of an online free markets
for years. I
also don't think the work is particularly patantable, but I
would rather
not
risk it if there is something I can do. Do you know how I can
prevent a
patent from being awarded to him? Do you know anyone who
would be able to
help me in this matter?
--Sean Hastings
--mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--http://sean.hastings.ai
--vmsg/fax:1.800.why.sean
--- end forwarded text
--
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R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for
[e-gold-list] someone is spamming with the intent to defraud PayPal and e-gold
Yeah, Somebody, but he put it on the Boston Linux Users list, a public list. I'm pretty shameless about that kind of thing. To quote Bluto Blutarski, um, well, you get the idea Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: someone is spamming with the intent to defraud PayPal and e-gold Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:20:29 -0500 From: Somebody Note that this person had no intention of corresponding with your lists. I ask that you blind it well or contact the author (Seth) before proceeding. Perhaps asking your contacts at e-gold or paypal would be best. cheers, Somebody --- Forwarded Message Date: 22 Mar 2001 16:30:40 - From: Seth Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: someone is spamming with the intent to defraud PayPal and e-gold In the past week, I've gotten two HTML email messages, one imitating PayPal's login page and one imitating e-gold's login page. Apparently, someone is sending these out in the hope of collecting passwords from PayPal and e-gold customers. I've already contacted the two companies; PayPal's response made me wonder if any human being had actually read the text I typed into their Web form. Is there anyone else who should be notified? --sethg - Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Subject line is ignored). --- End of Forwarded Message --- end forwarded text -- ----- R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] nettime FW: Money a Waste, Economists Conclude
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[e-gold-list] Trading Desk Diary: What Yesterday Was Really About
e appreciating against everything. That means the Fed should increase the money supply by choosing successively lower federal funds targets until core commodity prices rebound." Do you see the subtle but profoundly subversive suggestion here? It is that the Fed should give up targeting interest rates, and neither should it target the money supply, as pre-Greenspan regimes did. Instead, the Fed should target commodity prices. Interest rates and the money supply are nothing but instruments to be used as need be to hit the target. They are not themselves the target. Angell has now brought to wide public consciousness arguments that have been made for several years now by supply-siders Jude Wanniski of Polyconomics and David Gitlitz of DG Capital Advisers (a member of the MetaMarkets think tank). These ideas are considered something between heresy and idiocy by most economists. But, thank goodness, the market is smarter than most economists - and it is clearly taking these ideas very seriously. The market is especially ready to absorb these ideas now because of the news background. Last week the Japanese stock market broke to 16-year lows, and its central bankers and finance ministers publicly declared the Japanese economy to be a disaster area. And the reason? You guessed it: deflation. An article that ran on the front page of the New York Times business section yesterday - the same day as Angell's op-ed piece - put the concept of deflation into the major-media headlines for the first time: "Japan Is Shackled by Deflation, Blocking Its Hope for Recovery." Reporter Stephanie Strom got it exactly right when she described deflation as, "a rare but devastating drop in the prices of goods and services that is starting to feed on itself. Deflation is chipping away at asset values, increasing credit risks, pinching wages and salaries, and preventing the economy from generating any sustained growth after a decade of stagnation." What does this have to do with Wayne Angell, monetary policy and yesterday's stock-market crash? Simple. Japan's central bank, the Bank of Japan, has tried for years to cure the deflation by targeting interest rates. They've been pretty much at zero for most of the last four years. And the situation there just gets worse, and worse and worse. Phyllis Diller used to say, "Honey, you can twist those dials all you want and the picture ain't going to get any better." That's what Wayne Angell has learned from Japan's deflationary catastrophe, and the attempt to fix it with interest rate targets. Even zero isn't low enough. This pretty much scotches the nave myth that somehow "Alan Greenspan will take care of it - he always does." Everyone knows that Greenspan will lower rates 50 basis points on March 20 - and nobody cares. The tools that Greenspan knows how to use don't work. His interest rate targeting mechanism will be about as effective as "Whip Deflation Now" buttons. The Greenspan myth is one that investors aren't giving up happily. That's what yesterday was all about. -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] NYT: A Stirring in the Long-Suffering Gold Market
March 11, 2001 Portfolios, Etc.: A Stirring in the Long-Suffering Gold Market JONATHAN FUERBRINGER A tremor is rumbling through the gold market. The interest rate for lending gold, which generally hovers around 1 percent, was above 2 percent for 10 trading days and then surged over 6 percent on Friday. What does this seismic change mean? Is it temporary, like some past spikes? Or will it persist? If it does, it would mean higher gold prices ahead. Higher prices are what the gold market needs. With a jump of $5.40 on Friday after the surge in lease rates, gold for April delivery was at $271.50 an ounce. But gold prices are still down 0.8 percent for the year and just $17.80 above their 20-year low. A rally would help gold stocks, which are already among the stock market's best performers this year. Investors betting on such a rally often buy gold-company stocks instead of the metal because stocks get a bigger lift when the price of gold rises. The lease rate is the charge for lending gold to producers, who sell gold to lock in prices for future production, and to investors, who sell gold to go short, hoping to make a profit if the price falls. The lease rate is normally very low because the world's central banks have a lot to lend. For years, gold producers and short-sellers have taken advantage of low lease rates. And because the borrowed gold was sold to hedge or to bet against gold, lending added to the downward pressure on gold prices. So a high lease rate can shift market dynamics. The higher cost discourages short- sellers from betting against gold. Many of them, in fact, buy gold to unwind short positions and, in doing so, push gold prices higher, as happened last week. The higher cost also deters producers from hedging. But determining if the jump in lease rates is temporary or permanent is difficult. First, this surge has no certain explanation. Second, it is hard to judge probable causes in a market so divided between believers in the "magical" qualities of gold and those who dare to treat it as a mere commodity. The increase in the lease rate would be clearly significant if it could be traced to a decision by one or more European central banks to curtail their gold lending. The World Gold Council, which represents major gold producers, has been lobbying central banks to do just that. But while many analysts can say confidently that central banks are unhappy with low leasing rates, they cannot say that a central bank has changed policy. One possibility, however, is that the Bank of England has reduced its lending. That might not be a bad tactic, given that the bank will auction 25 tons of gold on Wednesday as part of its planned sale of 415 tons over three years. If lease rates hold and the price of gold rises, the bank could do better than expected a few weeks ago. It would make sense for central banks to curtail their lending as a way to support the price of gold, which many of them are selling. The problem is that in recent years, any jump in lease rates has attracted other lenders into the market, pushing the rates back down. So while the price of gold has risen with increases in lease rates, it has also fallen quickly as lease rates declined. The last big lease-rate surge came in the summer and fall of 1999, after gold hit what was then 20-year low of $253.70 an ounce. By September, the one-month lease rate was more than 4 percent at an annual rate. Then, on Sept. 26, European central banks announced that they would limit their annual gold sales in the next five years to 400 tons and restrict the amount of gold that they would lend to then-current levels. That sent the lease rate to 9.9 percent. From Sept. 20 to Oct. 6, the gold price jumped almost 30 percent, to $326 an ounce. But by November, the lease rate was back below 1 percent and the price was less than $300. Even if the current lease-rate jump does not last, it should produce a nice pop in gold. And though it may be brief, that is about as good as it gets in the gold market today. Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company -- ----- R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] DCSB: Steven Levy; How the Crypto Rebels Won
--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:52:21 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DCSB: Steven Levy; How the Crypto Rebels Won Cc: Steven Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [Note that the Harvard Club is now "business casual". No more jackets and ties -- while it lasts, anyway :-)... --RAH] The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Steven Levy, Author, Senior Editor, _Newsweek_ Magazine "How the Crypto Rebels Won" Tuesday, March 6th, 2000 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA How a group of outsiders envisioned a need for wide-spread cryptography and then took on two daunting missions: providing unprecedented tools to make this happen, and fighting the government for the right to distribute the tools. Steven Levy is a senior editor at Newsweek and author of CRYPTO: HOW THE CODE REBELS BEAT THE GOVERNMENT, SAVING PRIVACY IN THE DIGITAL AGE. He is also author of four other books including HACKERS, ARTIFICIAL LIFE, INSANELY GREAT, and THE UNICORN'S SECRET, and have contributed to many other publications. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, March 6th, 2000, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $35.00. This price includes lunch, room rental, A/V hardware if necessary, and the speakers' lunch. The Harvard Club has relaxed its dress code, which is now "business casual", meaning no sneakers or jeans. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your meal if the Club finds you in violation of what's left of its dress code. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, March 3rd, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $35.00. Please include your e-mail address so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (we've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: April 3 Scott Moskowitz Watermarking and Bluespike As you can see, :-), we are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, are a principal in digital commerce, and would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Committee, care of Robert Hettinga, mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 iQEVAwUBOopVR8UCGwxmWcHhAQGC0wf+Iu5psvIFhQiFdzJhhy2t2ftYtCUwtxe0 jUcfdU+tlzzUNhOaQzbv4ld1+VhpmAGhjtnbrc31SEUqSvdGJeq3xTSyazJHfo8d JO0A5+cdPMYGEd/vD2PH86WcP36/zc6y57PjVZ30dkcrp554mM3s4UKPDTBZW/aX 1kyDtEBK/vHQblt01n5bVU+fCEJYRRV3qP0et3NebGZM4OP9+ehs92+nnd+4bsqN qdGhgZqlsVLlwA9jEkrC0IsrypAqw/Xbxfubof4ys08/UALBNgGY+3dNFhtFmjnG Pq8Jwhvu7CffqLbxFkON/pNu2KtFBBZLx8xep98NyP3a2lllbsCzmA== =E2LW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ~ To unsubscribe from this list, send a letter to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb-announce Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb-announce If you have questions, write to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] DCSB: Steven Levy; How the Crypto Rebels Won
--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:52:21 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DCSB: Steven Levy; How the Crypto Rebels Won Cc: Steven Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [Note that the Harvard Club is now "business casual". No more jackets and ties -- while it lasts, anyway :-)... --RAH] The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Steven Levy, Author, Senior Editor, _Newsweek_ Magazine "How the Crypto Rebels Won" Tuesday, March 6th, 2000 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA How a group of outsiders envisioned a need for wide-spread cryptography and then took on two daunting missions: providing unprecedented tools to make this happen, and fighting the government for the right to distribute the tools. Steven Levy is a senior editor at Newsweek and author of CRYPTO: HOW THE CODE REBELS BEAT THE GOVERNMENT, SAVING PRIVACY IN THE DIGITAL AGE. He is also author of four other books including HACKERS, ARTIFICIAL LIFE, INSANELY GREAT, and THE UNICORN'S SECRET, and have contributed to many other publications. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, March 6th, 2000, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $35.00. This price includes lunch, room rental, A/V hardware if necessary, and the speakers' lunch. The Harvard Club has relaxed its dress code, which is now "business casual", meaning no sneakers or jeans. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your meal if the Club finds you in violation of what's left of its dress code. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, March 3rd, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $35.00. Please include your e-mail address so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (we've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: April 3 Scott Moskowitz Watermarking and Bluespike As you can see, :-), we are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, are a principal in digital commerce, and would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Committee, care of Robert Hettinga, mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 iQEVAwUBOopVR8UCGwxmWcHhAQGC0wf+Iu5psvIFhQiFdzJhhy2t2ftYtCUwtxe0 jUcfdU+tlzzUNhOaQzbv4ld1+VhpmAGhjtnbrc31SEUqSvdGJeq3xTSyazJHfo8d JO0A5+cdPMYGEd/vD2PH86WcP36/zc6y57PjVZ30dkcrp554mM3s4UKPDTBZW/aX 1kyDtEBK/vHQblt01n5bVU+fCEJYRRV3qP0et3NebGZM4OP9+ehs92+nnd+4bsqN qdGhgZqlsVLlwA9jEkrC0IsrypAqw/Xbxfubof4ys08/UALBNgGY+3dNFhtFmjnG Pq8Jwhvu7CffqLbxFkON/pNu2KtFBBZLx8xep98NyP3a2lllbsCzmA== =E2LW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ~ To unsubscribe from this list, send a letter to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb-announce Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb-announce If you have questions, write to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Thestreet.com does an article on electronic gold transactions
--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:31:09 -0500 From: Somebody Organization: Somewhere To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (no subject) http://www.thestreet.com/funds/strategies/1262395.html --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Reminder... Mac Crypto Jan 29th - Feb 1st
--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:55:58 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Vinnie Moscaritolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Reminder... Mac Crypto Jan 29th - Feb 1st Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all; Below is a preliminary list of talks scheduled for the Millennium Edition of the Mac Crypto/ Internet commerce workshop. The conference will be held at Apple's Deanza 3 Auditorium from Jan 29th - Feb 1st . I have had a lot of people propose talks but only a few have actually sent me their abstracts. If you are on the list below and would like to correct the abstracts, please send me the updated text. If you are not on the list but plan to talk, then send me the abstract now. thanks. -- Jonathan D. Callas Counterpane Internet Security "The Effect of Anti-Circumvention Provisions on Security" One of the properties of digital Intellectual Property (IP) is that it can be easily reproduced, modified, and transferred. In response, IP owners have created creating new security technologies for controlling the digital works. Inevitably, this creates an opportunity for those who can circumvent those technologies. --- Will Price, Director of Engineering PGP Security, Inc. "PGP Future Directions" Will Price will discuss new technologies in PGP such as Key Reconstruction, Instant Messaging encryption, PGP for Wireless, and future directions of PGP on the MacOS platform. -- Jean-Luc GIRAUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Security Architect". Gemplus (www.gemplus.com), "Introduction to Smartcards" This tutorial gives a general overview of the smartcard technology and its added value for cryptography and security. Classical smartcard concepts (card life cycle, smartcard structure, required infrastructure,...) are covered along with recent ones like open cards (Javacard,...). New applications and potentail security enhancements to MacOS X are given. Finally, the current state of the art in smartcard security is described. A lot of ressources are listed to give attendees the opportunity to access more detailed information. -- Charles Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED], Partner, BEK Ventures, "Secure, Real-Time Financial Transactions Using WebFunds on the Mac." The talk will center on real-world transfer of value in the form of either a) exchange among commodity-back electronic currencies or b) trading of shares in micro-enterprises. -- Vinnie Moscaritolo KF6WPJ ITCB-IMSH http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ PGP: 3F903472C3AF622D5D918D9BD8B100090B3EF042 --- WARNING: POLITICALLY INCORRECT AREA All P.C. Personnel entering these premises will encounter gravely offensive behavior and opinions. (SEC4623. Ministry of political incorrection security act of 1995) RAMPANT INSENSITIVITY AUTHORIZED --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Financial Cryptography 01 preliminary program
Grand Cayman is located on Seven Mile Beach. There are two restaurants and three bars, including pool-side service. The hotel has tennis courts and water sports services, and includes all the standard features of a Marriott Beach Resort. It is within walking distance of the many restaurants and shopping attractions located on Seven Mile Beach. The Marriott room rate is: US$299.00 This rate is based on single or double occupancy and is subject to a 10% government tax and a 10% hotel service charge. The hotel service charge includes bellmen and maid gratuities. The rooms are run of the house. Telephone: +1 345 949 0088 Fax: +1 345 949 3347 Please request the rate of US$299.00 for Financial Cryptography. COMFORT SUITES This is a new hotel, just open this season. It is located right next door to the Marriott Beach Resort, only 300 feet from the beach. Many room have ocean views. The hotel offers restaurant, bar, outdoor swimming pool, jacuzzi, water sports centre, gift shop, guest coin laundry, dry-cleaning, car hire, fitness centre, business centre, fax, and copier services. Suites Blocked for Financial Cryptography 01 are: Single Double Triple Studio Suites 170 180 190 Deluxe Suites 185 195 205 Studio Suites: open floor plan with one queen bed, sleep sofa and shower; can sleep 4 persons. Deluxe Suites: open floor plan with two double beds, sleep sofa and shower; can sleep 6 persons. Telephone: +1 345 945 7300 Fax: +1 345 945 7400 These rates are in US$ and are subject to a 10% government tax and a 10% service charge. They include a continental breakfast and complimentary coffee in the bedrooms. SLEEP INN RESORT The Sleep Inn Resort is located about 10 minutes' walk from the Marriott. It is the closest hotel to downtown George Town, a 15-minute walk along the scenic coast line. The Sleep Inn is not located on the beach but within easy walking distance. There is a swimming pool, a snack bar grill, a dive shop and a boutique. Single Room 120.00 Double Room 130.00 These rates are in US$ and are subject to a 10% government tax and a 10% service charge. Breakfast is included with both rates. Contact Josephine in reservations at the Sleep Inn. Telephone: +1 345 949 9111 Fax: +1 345 949 6699 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Sites about the Cayman Islands The official Department of Tourism site: http://www.caymanislands.ky The official government and weather site: http://www.gov.ky Local news and issues: http://www.caymannetnews.com The official site for info on Financial Services: http://www.caymanfinance.gov.ky The national airline, Cayman Airways: http://www.caymanairways.com All of these sites have links to various other sites of interest on the Cayman Islands. Program Committee Matt Blaze, ATT Labs - Research Yair Frankel, Ecash Matt Franklin, UC Davis David Kravitz, Wave Systems Corp. Arjen Lenstra, Citicorp Philip MacKenzie, Lucent Bell Labs Avi Rubin, ATT Labs - Research Jacques Stern, Ecole Normale Superieure Kazue Sako, NEC Stuart Stubblebine, CertCo Paul Syverson (Chair), Naval Research Laboratory Win Treese, Open Market, Inc. Doug Tygar, UC Berkeley Michael Waidner, IBM Zurich Research Lab Moti Yung, CertCo Organizing Committee Program Chair: Paul Syverson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) General Chair: Stuart Haber ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sponsorship Chair: Barbara Fox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sponsors FC01 is sponsored by: Bibit Internet Billing Services http://www.bibit.com nCipher Corporation http://www.ncipher.com InterTrust Corporation http://www.intertrust.com If you are interested in sponsoring FC01, please contact the Sponsorship Chair at the email addresses listed above. For further information, please see the main FC01 conference web page at http://fc01.ai/. --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" with one line of text: "help". -- ----- R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] DCSB: Chuck Wade; ACH in Internet Payment
--- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:11:34 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DCSB: Chuck Wade; ACH in Internet Payment Cc: Chuck Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ted Byfield [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [Note that the Harvard Club is now "business casual". No more jackets and ties... --RAH] The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Chuck Wade, Senior Researcher, Internet Payments and Security, CommerceNet Legacy Electronic Payment Systems meet the Internet: Using ACH for Internet Payments Tuesday, January 2nd, 2000 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Electronic payment systems have been around for more than a quarter century, but are characterized by a legacy of private networks and mainframe transaction processing systems. Recently, there have been a variety of new schemes proposed and even implemented to bring legacy epayment systems to the Internet. This is especially true of the Automated Clearing House (ACH) system, which is evolving rapidly to support new interfaces with Internet-based payment services. This talk will focus on some of the approaches being used to adapt the legacy ACH system to new Internet payment services, and will explore some of the positive and negative implications of these developments. Chuck Wade is a Senior Researcher for CommerceNet focusing on Internet payments and information security. Prior to joining CommerceNet, he was a Principal Consultant in the Information Security Group of BBN Technologies. At BBN, he led Electronic Commerce initiatives and client engagements, with most of his consulting work within the Financial Industry. As one of the original participants in the FSTC eCheck Project, Chuck has been involved with over-the-Internet electronic payments since the mid 1990's. He also contributed directly to the architecture, design, deployment and testing of various large, mission-critical networks, including the trading floor network for the New York and American Stock Exchanges. In a career spanning a quarter century, Chuck spent all of the '90s with BBN (now a part of Verizon) as a Consultant and Systems Architect. During most of the '80s, he worked at Motorola directing the Advanced Technology Group for the Codex division. He has also worked in the minicomputer industry and university research. He holds both Sc.B. and Sc.M. degrees from Brown University in Electrical Engineering. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, January 2nd, 2000, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $35.00. This price includes lunch, room rental, A/V hardware if necessary, and the speakers' lunch. The Harvard Club has relaxed its dress code, which is now "business casual", meaning no sneakers or jeans. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your meal if the Club finds you in violation of what's left of its dress code. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, December 30th, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $35.00. Please include your e-mail address so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: February 6 Ted Byfield Decentralized DNS Control March 6 Scott Moskowitz Watermarking and Bluespike As you can see, :-), we are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, are a principal in digital commerce, and would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Committee, care of Robert Hettinga, mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQEVAwUBOja+gcUCGwxmWcHhAQECxgf+O7pd13JHzqUaJ8LrsXW62i8WSNsnxYCk qXMX/XXopBJW2gt8RL4nOsAt6A1ssgcLK3+kUOcLom804UryJe1p3DfC/HHJVfJP 1o4v
[e-gold-list] Frezza: The Internet Vs. Tyranny, and Other Parting Thoughts
Wherein Bill Frezza, my only reason for an InternetWeek subscription, signs off. So long, Bill, and thanks for all the fish... :-). Cheers, RAH At 10:08 PM -0700 on 12/6/00, InternetWeek Newsletter wrote: Opinion: The Internet Vs. Tyranny, And Other Parting Thoughts Writing a regular opinion column is an invigorating tonic, a deadline- disciplined interlude of forced reflection, providing an opportunity to follow where the muse might lead. With this column, I have tried to examine the broader impact of Internet technology on business, public policy and society. My approach has been rooted in the firm belief that ideas matter and that fundamental principles worked out long ago can be applied to novel situations to guide us toward discovering not only what might be but what ought to be. Working against the backdrop of a society that has deeply embraced moral relativism has provided ample opportunity to lay bare the hypocrisy that permeates both the business and political leadership of our day. Judging by the mail I've received from so many readers over the years, this has delighted some and infuriated others, which was exactly my objective. Our industry, the telecommunications industry, and its newborn wonder child the Internet, are shaking up the world like no revolution before. Of course there are historical developments that had greater impact. But none has affected so many people over such a brief period. And, thanks to the acceleration of events brought about by the Internet itself, we are all in a position to see the results of the choices we make, unlike our predecessors who played largely to posterity. Most encouraging, the power to innovate is decentralizing, with the rewards for success so unabashedly disproportionate that extraordinary efforts are being called forth from people who might otherwise be content to lead ordinary lives. Progress has always come from the motivated few over the objections of the complacent many. The way these few are treated determines the future. The most profound contribution of the American experiment to human happiness is that we have freed the basic impulse for improvement from the tyranny of hidebound culture. The Internet has become both the source and the conduit to export our culture of success to the rest of the planet, smashing ancient chauvinism by exposing one and all to the Darwinian hurricane. Capital has been pried from the grip of those whose main objective was to preserve it, set loose in a global arena seeking market-driven returns. Talent has been released from the prison of place to make contributions far beyond the reach of local customs and constraints. The price to access knowledge has dropped so precipitously that anyone can stand on the shoulders of everyone, scaling heights that would otherwise take lifetimes to achieve. The cost of failure has been reduced to such acceptable levels that this marvelous teacher can instruct without maiming, making its students stronger as they prepare for the next challenge. Coercive force wielded by prince or mob is receding toward impotency, unable to have its way as the prime productive asset becomes the power of unfettered minds. These are good things to remember as we head into a cyclical economic downturn. Many will question the value of what has been created. The reactionaries will preach ruin and the envious will gloat, claiming the Internet bubble was an aberration. They are wrong. The businesses, technologies and entrepreneurs that survive the cleansing fires will form the foundation for the next round of growth. The failures will be its fertilizer. This is as it should be. Unlike the Roaring Twenties when the central government was powerful enough to turn a recession into a protracted depression, today's government is so palpably broken, careening headlong toward a chronic dysfunctional state, that it can be discounted. Washington will remain a bleeding tax on progress, but as a tapeworm rather than a cancer. The innovators will outrun it, along with its European counterparts who foolishly believe that coalescing into a single ministerial glob will assure bureaucratic immortality. Thank you, dear readers. It has been a great six years. This is my last column, at least for the foreseeable future. The press of business and the closing of our newest venture fund demands my full attention. I am also deathly afraid that I am becoming a bore, preaching the same themes in variations that can only be appreciated by diehard free market capitalists--a misunderstood minority even in the best of times. Hence until I retire, a good 10 years from now, my harangues will have to be reserved for my poor dinner companions. Happy thoughts for a happy future. Farewell, until we meet again. --Bill Frezza -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com
[e-gold-list] Bank of England White Paper on Payment Systems Oversight
--- begin forwarded text From: Somebody To: "Bob Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Recent Publication Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:03:37 - Status: U Bob, The url below is wrong: try http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/fsr/ops.pdf instead. Somebody -Original Message- From: Somebody at The Bank of England Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:33 PM To: Somebody Subject: Recent Publication You may be aware that we published a paper entitled 'Oversight of Payment Systems' this week. It sets out our objectives for payment system oversight and describes our role in practice. The paper is available be on the Bank's website at www.bankofengland.co.uk/fsr/payment. Please let me know if you would like a printed copy. Regards Somebody at the BofE's .sig --- end forwarded text -- ----- R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] DCSB: Ramzan and Van Someren; Minting Millidollars for Streaming Cash
--- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:13:50 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DCSB: Ramzan and Van Someren; Minting Millidollars for Streaming Cash Cc: Ted Byfield [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ron Rivest [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adi Shamir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [Note that the Harvard Club is now "business casual". No more jackets and ties... --RAH] The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Zulfikar Ramzan, Financial Cryptographer, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science and Dr. Nicko Van Someren, Financial Cryptographer, Chief Technology Officer, nCipher PLC, "Aspen" vs. "Hancock": Minting Millidollars for Streaming Cash Tuesday, November 7th, 2000 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Zulfikar Ramzan is currently a PhD student at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology where he works with the Cryptography and Information Security research group. At MIT, he works under the supervision of Professor Ronald Rivest, co-inventor of the RSA public-key cryptosystem and the Micromint micropayment protocol. He has authored a number of publications in the field of cryptography and has presented his research at various conferences in his field [including the International Conference on Financial Cryptography --RAH]. He holds a number of patents in data security, and some of his work is being considered for use in several national and international standards in the wireless communications industry. Mr. Ramzan has worked in cryptographic algorithm and protocol design with the Wireless Secure Communications group at Lucent Technologies. Upon graduation, Mr. Ramzan will join Lucira Technologies. Dr Nicko van Someren co-founded nCipher in 1996. As Chief Technology Officer Nicko leads nCipher's research team and directs the technical development of nCipher products. From 1993 to 1996, Nicko was Technical Director and co-founder of ANT Limited, where he developed hardware products and application software. Before that, he was employed as a Researcher by Xerox EuroPARC and as a Software Engineer by Atari Research and Perihelion Software Limited. Nicko has almost 20 years' experience in cryptography, software and hardware product development, and holds a Doctorate and First Class degree in Computer Science from Trinity College, Cambridge, UK. Zully Ramzan will talk about the proposed design of Aspen: a practical Micromint implementation for IBUC, the Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation. In addition to going over the basic underlying protocols, he will discuss the various design and parameter choices. He will also examine the practical ramifications of these decisions. Thereafter he will discuss potential modifications and extensions that may be of use for future implementations of Aspen. The ideas he will present are based on discussions with Ron Rivest and Adi Shamir, the two co-inventors of Micromint. Nicko van Someren will then talk about the practical problems surrounding the implementation of a MicroMint. He will consider the engineering issues along with the economic issues and look at how the nature of MicroMint mandates various unhelpful deployment issues. He will also consider alternatives to MicroMint which aim to solve these issues. [Including a signature-based solution IBUC is calling, for lack of a better moniker, "Hancock", which would be about 100 times cheaper to prototype, much less get to market, and streaming cash on the wire in 3-6 months. :-) --RAH] Want to know what IBUC's going to do *now*? Come to the November DCSB meeting and find out. Appropriately enough, this meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Election Day, Tuesday, November 7th, 2000, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $35.00. This price includes lunch, room rental, A/V hardware if necessary, and the speakers' lunch. The Harvard Club has relaxed its dress code, which is now "business casual", meaning no sneakers or jeans. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your meal if the Club finds you in violation of what's left of its dress code. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, November 4th, or you won't be on
[e-gold-list] Gold-Age Notices
--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 05:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED], LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Subject: Gold-Age Notices This message is being sent to everyone who placed a credit card order (whether it was accepted or declined by Authorize.Net) with Gold-Age between 09/16 and 09/29, in order to address some questions we have received * Gold-Age has changed its rates and policies for credit card orders (and other payment vehicles) effective 10/01/2000. The service charge on orders placed before this date will not be affected. *Many who placed orders over $200 have inquired as to why their e-gold account is not yet funded. As per the policy on our website: there is an additional 7 day hold for CC orders over $200 * In order to better serve and protect our clients, Gold-Age has set up an exclusive Preferred Client website, accessable only by Preferred Clients. Some of the benefits of being a Preferred Gold-Age Client are faster service and lower rates. See our website for more info on becoming a Preferred Client (past clients of Gold-Age that qualify as preferred clients will receive an E-mail in the next day or two with instructions on setting up their User ID Password for access to the Preferred client pages and order forms), * Gold-Age was hit by over 5 million (USD )worth of fraudulent CC orders over the past week (and we're still investigating more). This significantly slowed our processing for a while, delaying orders that otherwise would have been funded 1 or 2 business days ago (this credit card fraud also almost resulted in the loss of our merchant processing accounts). We apologize for any inconvenience. We are back on track, with a new and improved service (baptism by fire!) and if your order is not subject to an additional hold it will be funded post-haste. Our new order policies and internal screening proceedures should make the majority fraudulent orders a less significant problem. Thank you for using Gold-Age. Regards, Parker E.C. Bradley President Gold-Age, LLC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gold-age.net -- --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] A lesson in book-entry settlement
Forwarded without (too much) comment, except that I can't wait until the auditors see *this* one on IBUC's books. :-). For those who don't know them Gold-Age is one of the new gold exchanges instituted in the e-gold system so that e-gold itself can concentrate on the wholesale end of things. Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Gold-Age [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Subject: Gold-Age CC-statement Warning Dear Valued Customer, Between 09/01/2000 and today (09/26/2000) you placed an order with Gold-Age. If your order was approved and your credit card billed, something similar to the following may show up on your credit card statement transaction description. "Gold-Age, LLC: Dating/Escort Services" This is obviously incorrect!!! It should read something like: "Gold-Age, LLC: Precious Metals, coins, etc." or some similar phrase indicating that we deal in precious metals. What happened is that our credit card processor put the wrong business description codes into the credit card networks when they set up our account. The error has been corrected and any future CC-statements should have the correct business description on them. Thank you for your time, and thank you for using Gold-Age. Regards, Parker E.C. Bradley President Gold-Age, LLC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gold-age.net -- --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
