[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
This is where I've got to say something. I would much rather see a system where the owners of accounts CAN BE identified if necessary. Otherwise, your customer base will contain a large number of thieves, and make it difficult for your market makers to function. e-gold should not require identity verification. There is no need to. You do not need to know who you are dealing with to accept USD bills. Why do you need to know who you are dealing with to accept e-gold payments? The only reason a contact point is required is if there are problems with the account. E-Gold needs to identify account owners too. I don't know if they plan to do this, but I would like to see some sort of 'low balance limit' on accounts whose owners cannot be identified with certainty. What effect would this have? A scammer could still operate. They could just open up more accounts and spread the in-exchanges across multiple Market Makers. It has become very difficult to sell e-gold when it is such a target for theft. Then stop accepting the payment methods that you are getting scammed in! Viking Coder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
It would be very nice if there were a legal way to have freedom and privacy and be left alone in peace. But it is self-delusion to imagine that this is possible. As you say, these "things are not respected or valued by the system". Any laws currently consistent with these values are temporary historical aberations which, since they are incompatible with the logic of power, will, in the long run, be progressively eliminated. Perhaps not. Have a look at http://www.tcrf.com/ Don Henson --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
I think what we are all getting at is that no one cares who you are if you pay, provide a service, or ship product on time. If you break a 'contract' we want a way to get you to honor the contract, or refund us, or failing that lower your reputation to warn your customers (maybe a little retribution too). Then we need an arbitration mechanism so if someone is unjustly accused they can clear their name. The bounds of transactions have grown past historical limits of nations and so we can make the limits bigger - get a world government :( or replace historical limits with something that is flexible enough to allow sometimes severe cultural differences to get along well enough. jeff --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
I think what we are all getting at is that no one cares who you are if you pay, provide a service, or ship product on time. If you break a 'contract' we want a way to get you to honor the contract, or refund us, or failing that lower your reputation to warn your customers (maybe a little retribution too). Then we need an arbitration mechanism so if someone is unjustly accused they can clear their name. The bounds of transactions have grown past historical limits of nations and so we can make the limits bigger - get a world government :( or replace historical limits with something that is flexible enough to allow sometimes severe cultural differences to get along well enough. Well said and good thinking. This is a productive direction. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
E-Gold needs to identify account owners too. I don't know if they plan to do this, but I would like to see some sort of 'low balance limit' on accounts whose owners cannot be identified with certainty. That would be the END of e-gold. Why? Craig Because the value of e-gold derives from its utility as a means that enables individuals to trade freely in defiance of the state. It would cease to be useful for this purpose if submission to the state, which is what identification amounts to, is required as a condition of using the system. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
E-Gold needs to identify account owners too. I don't know if they plan to do this, but I would like to see some sort of 'low balance limit' on accounts whose owners cannot be identified with certainty. That would be the END of e-gold. Why? Because the value of e-gold derives from its utility as a means that enables individuals to trade freely in defiance of the state. It would cease to be useful for this purpose if submission to the state, which is what identification amounts to, is required as a condition of using the system. CCS Gad! I don't see it that way at all. The purpose of e-gold is to create an international internet currency, NOT to defy the state. There are so many good things that can be done with a digital, gold-backed, currency that there should be no NEED or DESIRE to defy the state. I am somewhat appalled by your comments. Don't take that personally. I am just quite surprised that you want to trade in 'defiance' of the state. If e-gold becomes a token for that sort of activity, I believe that the 'state' will shut them down. Sincerely, Craig Haynie --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
Fact is, any method of payment to an MM (besides cash in hand) leaves a trail back to the payer. Even an "anonymous" reputation system that allowed me to accept a CC or cheque from someone without knowing his identity, would result in the banking transactions revealing his identity to me, so there would be really no point in using the "anonymous" system in the first place! Thus, unless the buyer was using cash to pay me, it would be pointless to use an "anonymous" reputation system, and if he was using cash to pay me... I wouldn't need to know his reputation anyway! Regards, Sidd. Precisely, Gold has always been a bearer instrument, and should stay that way -- what this whole discussion boils down to is this: I really do not care who you are (and have no desire to find out),, so long as you pay for the gold with Cash -- either FRN's or Bank Wire. It's real simple -- If you want to retain anonymity -- then do not request to settle with anything else but Cash, period. Then the exchange provider doesn't have to worry about tracking you down if the payment goes bad,, because the payment will not go bad. Frankly,, lets call a spade a spade,, the only reason we require any kind of ID or verification is simply incase your payment goes wrong -- then we have some means of finding you and extracting the payment for the bullion you received (on your word that your payment was good). Now,, once we have established a business relationship and completed some trades without problems,, then we have some mutual trust built up between us and we both may feel comfortable with alternative means of settlement. Regards, --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
Sidd wrote: BUT, anyone who has a credit card or cheque account is already deeply ensconced in the "system" and is obviously not TOO concerned about privacy anyway. Not so (in my case anyway). I went around and around with my bank about the SS# illegal requirement. The bank is bound by their contract with the FED system to acquire the SS# or they are fined as per their private contract. Eventually I relented because I needed to conduct business - kind of a survival cop-out to my own principles about preserving my own business as my own business and doing business with those who break the law on purpose and FORCE others to go along. What I am interested in is helping to develop a viable and legal ALTERNATIVE to the crooked pirate scheme of the FED et al. This is NOT in defiance of the system but is a reach for freedom and privacy (to be left alone and in peace) - things not respected or valued by the system. I would hazard a guess that the VAST majority of e-gold users would enjoy the convenience of being able to fund their e-gold account using a CC... Yes, I agree. The convenience part is great. It's the other parts that stink. -- Regards, Dale Pond Delta Spectrum Research http://www.SVPvril.com Sympathetic Vibratory Physics Sacred Science - Sacred Life SVP Discussion Forum: http://www.egroups.com/list/svpvril/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
Jim., Frankly,, lets call a spade a spade,, the only reason we require any kind of ID or verification is simply incase your payment goes wrong -- then we have some means of finding you and extracting the payment for the bullion you received (on your word that your payment was good). You may not hear this, but I am giving you a standing ovation as this is precisely what I have been blabbering (but not quite so eloquently parlaying) about. I do not care WHO someone IS, or WHERE they are FROM, all I want to know is WHERE can I find the person if they try to scam my company. People who do not accept fiat monies for conversion to gold do not seem to understand this. (By the way, can I borrow that spade to pay a visit to a few mutual *friends* we both know in a quaint little California town??? I promise to wash it off when I am finished with it!) ;0) If people were honest about the payments that they sent, I would not care if they sent it to me from California's State Penitentiary because it would be a GOOD payment. The ONLY reason we need to id people is because of the rampant fraud going on out there. I will stop clapping now! Eric - Original Message - From: Goldfinger Coin and Bullion Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 5:45 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity Fact is, any method of payment to an MM (besides cash in hand) leaves a trail back to the payer. Even an "anonymous" reputation system that allowed me to accept a CC or cheque from someone without knowing his identity, would result in the banking transactions revealing his identity to me, so there would be really no point in using the "anonymous" system in the first place! Thus, unless the buyer was using cash to pay me, it would be pointless to use an "anonymous" reputation system, and if he was using cash to pay me... I wouldn't need to know his reputation anyway! Regards, Sidd. Precisely, Gold has always been a bearer instrument, and should stay that way -- what this whole discussion boils down to is this: I really do not care who you are (and have no desire to find out),, so long as you pay for the gold with Cash -- either FRN's or Bank Wire. It's real simple -- If you want to retain anonymity -- then do not request to settle with anything else but Cash, period. Then the exchange provider doesn't have to worry about tracking you down if the payment goes bad,, because the payment will not go bad. Now,, once we have established a business relationship and completed some trades without problems,, then we have some mutual trust built up between us and we both may feel comfortable with alternative means of settlement. Regards, --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
Dale wrote: Not so (in my case anyway). I went around and around with my bank about the SS# illegal requirement. The bank is bound by their contract with the FED system to acquire the SS# or they are fined as per their private contract. Eventually I relented because I needed to conduct business - kind of a survival cop-out to my own principles about preserving my own business as my own business and doing business with those who break the law on purpose and FORCE others to go along. Ok, no problem there, you ARE concerned about your privacy, BUT (by your own admission), you were "persuaded" by force of circumstance to comply to the invasive ID requirements. That is precisely my point, few people would probably even go to the lengths you did, and to operate in the existing system, one MUST (to a certain extent) toe the line. What I am interested in is helping to develop a viable and legal ALTERNATIVE to the crooked pirate scheme of the FED et al. This is NOT in defiance of the system but is a reach for freedom and privacy (to be left alone and in peace) - things not respected or valued by the system. The viable and legal alternative is already there; it's called e-gold! No need for ID or reputation to know a payment is good etc So, all we do is we have one life that operates WITHIN the (FED etc.) system as far as is necessary to do business with the uninitiated, and we have another life that operates OUTSIDE in the "free" world as far as is practical as the "free" world gets stronger, our involvement shifts more and more out of the "system" its not really that difficult! Have a great new year! Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
Boyd wrote: It can also work in the reverse, I want to sell, the MM deposits cash to my acct, I spend the egold to his. It does take a leaf of faith the first time this is done, or maybe even the first 2 or 3 times ... Not for much longer... watch this space... Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
At 8:48 PM -0500 12/30/00, B Ray wrote: http://www.yoursolutions.net/goldrush/ I musyt say that's a good, SIMPLE, sensible looking xchange provider (I have absolutely no idea who's running it, if it's a crooked one, or whatever! :) ) Thank god for simple, clear instructions. Whoever is running it, buy yourself a domain name for $20, for god's sake! You can pay for a domain name w/ gold at domains.jhcloos.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
--Original Message-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 31, 2000 1:59:06 AM GMT Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity At 8:48 PM -0500 12/30/00, B Ray wrote: http://www.yoursolutions.net/goldrush/ I musyt say that's a good, SIMPLE, sensible looking xchange provider (I have absolutely no idea who's running it, if it's a crooked one, or whatever! :) ) All I can tell you is that the 2 transaction I did with James Shupperd were clean, quick, and with no BS and completed within half an hour at most. I believe there have been others who have dealt with him who post the fact that they were very pleased also. B Pate Play for fun or for Real, Win Gold http://www.thegoldcasino.com/win.cgi?3202416 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
At 07:45 PM 12/29/2000 -0500, CCS wrote: I also suggest that SR would be better served by firing their verification service and devising a real way to accomplish their actual objective that is compatible with the interests of their potential customers. Any suggestions? We have been searching for a service that would be able to verify accounts worldwide. So far we have only found US-based companies. George __ George Matyjewicz, Chief Executive Officer Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA Acct# 120018 Tel: 770-300-3070 Ext 2818 World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
