[Elecraft] Re Dedicated HF Digital Interface Port

2007-03-11 Thread Bernard Gaffney, N8PVZ/QRP
Hi,

  while I haven't tried this, why not run a plug-in
cable from the rear audio jack to a DPDT switch in a
small box, or even a pill bottle, or similar. Then,
run a cable from one side of the switch to your
soundcard interface, and the other side to a speaker
or phones. You could also do this from the front audio
jack, you'd just need a 3pole-double throw switch
(since the front is stereo). Then simply flip the
switch to whichever one you wanted audio to go to
(soundcard or speaker/phones).

  Seems to me this should work. Not as sophisticated
as a built in board, but in keeping w/the KISS
Principle.

  72 de N8PVZ
 ---bernie gaffney
 

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> 
> After wearing out the front panel headphone
> connector (twice in 2 yearsdue to
> connecting/disconnecting the soundcard cable for HF
> digital modes) it has become quite obvious that I
> need a dedicated HF digital interface port for my 
> K2/100.
  
> 73,
> Tony L. (KJ5XF)
> 




 

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[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft CW Net Report for March 11th & 12th, 2007

2007-03-11 Thread wayne burdick
Nice work, Kevin. This is about how many Q's I had in all of EQP this 
year  :)


73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Mar 11, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:


Good Evening,
   Whew!  Things went well even if we do have to get up extra early 
tomorrow!...



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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for March 11th & 12th, 2007

2007-03-11 Thread Kevin Rock

Good Evening,
   Whew!  Things went well even if we do have to get up extra early  
tomorrow!  I think propagation was pretty good but others have different  
perspectives :)  While W3MC was quite strong to me he could not hear  
either Tom or me.  He got a relay from NK6A to Tom.  I've mentioned one  
way propagation before but this time I think local noise was causing him  
grief.  We did work into South America (I heard him <339> at least) and  
almost got Scotland.  I got a note from GM4ESD with his signal report.  If  
his antenna were in better shape he would have made it at least to Tom.   
Soon!
   I was on the air for quite a while yesterday and found myself getting  
rather stiff fingered by the end of the second net.  At one point on  
Saturday I was in constant QSO for two hours.  80 meters was quite a bit  
of fun last night.  I'll have to rethink my idea of gathering like minded  
folks on that band.  I worked Nevada, California, Oregon, and Washington  
in quick succession.  Idaho came a little later.  I am sure a few more  
states could be added to that list to make quite a group of folks.  All  
those who complain they cannot hear me on 20 or 40 meters should be able  
to work into Oregon with no problem on 80 meters.  I do not think I could  
get too far into the Plains though.


   On to the lists =>

  On 14050 kHz at 2257z:
N0SS - Tom - MO - K2 - 008
KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798
K2HYD - Ray - NC - KX1 - 608
W1TF - Ty - GA - K1 - 1423
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
W3MC - Mike - MD - K2 - 5568
K1EV - Bill - CT - K2 - 2152
K6DGW - Fred - CA - K2 - 4398   QNI #50!!!
NK6A - Don - CA - K2 - 1217
N3AO - Carter - PA - K2 - 678
KH6NO/W7 - Willie - NV - K2 - 1593
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K2 - 5345   QNI #20!!
VE6ITA - John - AB - K2 - 5384
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
W6BK - Dave - CA - K2 - 4910
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K2 - 1031
N0BK - Bruce - MN - K2 - 3646
W0TBC - Joe - MN - Icom 727
NM7N - Karl - OR - K2 - 4227

  On 7045 kHz at 0158z:
N0SS - Tom - MO - K2 - 008
W3MC - Mike - MD - K2 - 5568
NK6A - Don - CA - K2 - 1217
VE3XL - Ric - ON - K1 - 968
NM7N - Karl - OR - K2 - 4227
AK2B - Tom - NY - K2 - 4482
W0NTA - Dick - CO - K2 - 3900
PT9FH - Tony - Brazil
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K2 - 5345
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K2 - 1031
KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
WI6O - John - CA - K1 - 922
W6BK - Dave - CA - K2 - 4910
K4GT - Jim - GA - K2 - 2015
ND0V - Greg - CO - K2 - 4411QNI #20!!

   Now, before my arm falls off, please send me any corrections or  
additions to the above information.  I made a resolution to myself to get  
all of my projects at least on the bench and off the computer before the  
weather turns nice enough to rip off my roof.  When that happens I'll have  
to move all of my gear back here to the small room again.  I hope I can  
get the roof and drywall work done quickly but I plan on renovating  
another section of the house once I get going.  If my nephew is willing I  
can keep him busy for a few months.  It will keep me warm and dry next  
winter and I'll gain a few hundred square feet.

   Until next week.  Stay well,
  73,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS (Net Control Operator 5th Class)



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RE: [Elecraft] AGC Independent S-Meter?

2007-03-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Sandy,

As far as I know, there is no direct relationship between the strength of a
signal and receiver AGC.

My AD8307 power meter can measure signal strengths directly off an antenna
if called upon to do that, it goes down to -80 dBm (about S-8) with no other
amplification.  This is strictly a power meter, no AGC implied or
implemented - the output is the base 10 logarithm of the input signal.

All one must do is measure the strength of the received signal to drive an
S-meter - but it must be calibrated if it is used as an absolute measurement
device.

Yes, the implementation in most receivers derive the AGC voltage from the
same signal strength measurement circuits, so things get a bit mixed up, and
often appear as a 'chicken and egg' situation.

73,
Don W3FPR

> -Original Message-
>
> Circuitrywise, an "AGC/AVC free" S-meter is an oxymoron!  Can't have one
> without the other.
> (snip)
> 73,
> Sandy W5TVW
>
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[Elecraft] W1HUE Mod Articles back on the Web

2007-03-11 Thread Larry East
Well, its been quite some time since I have posted to this list! I 
just wanted to pass this along:


My equipment mod articles that were on the old ARCI web site are now 
on my personal site: www.w1hue.us . One article might be of 
particular interest to K2 owners: it describs a Peak Power Reading 
mod for the OHR WM-1 and WM-2 Watt Meters. It can be accessed 
directly at www.w1hue.us/Articles/MODS_WM1.html . (There is an 
"underscore" in there: "MODS_WM1")


72,
Larry, W1HUE
Sunny Tucson, AZ

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Re: [Elecraft] AGC Independent S-Meter?

2007-03-11 Thread Darrell Bellerive
On March 11, 2007 04:16 pm, Sandy W5TVW wrote:
> Circuitrywise, an "AGC/AVC free" S-meter is an oxymoron!  Can't have one
> without the other.

Why not?

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Bandwidth Question

2007-03-11 Thread Rick Dettinger
> It wouldn't seem to provide much advantage.  The bandwidth of the
four-pole crystal IF filter may be adjusted in three steps from about 200 to
850 kHz.  The selectivity as designed is outstanding.
>
> Mike / KK5F
> K1 #175 since 11/2000


 I usually use an outboard audio filter when operating at home.  I agree
that it is not needed for selectivity  but it makes the sidetone sound like
my K2 and I enjoy a clean CW note.  I think one problem with a simple low
pass filter is that the K1 has a wide range of possible sidetone pitch and a
cutoff frequency that would help someone who uses a low pitch as I do would
not pass a high one.  Thus, filters would need to be adjustable or custom
designed for the desired pitch.
Rick Dettinger
K7MW

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[Elecraft] #6014 air borne

2007-03-11 Thread glblock
Sorry I havent been on this forum but I finished the K2[SSB/DSP/NB]a couple
weeks ago and have been on the air.  Fun Fun.. I'm finding it takes about 8
watts to bust thru the pile ups and get heard LOL.. But this is the sweetist rig
I've had the most fun putting together and working..Elecraft sure did a fine job
on this kit.  I am using a 80 meter dipole, about 130 feet with 450 ladder line
matched to a 4:1 balun and ant tunner..tunes 80,40,20, and 10 no problem...
Great fun..
well gotta get back on the air...later all

WB0OMR  73s
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RE: [Elecraft] Re: BFO oscillator level

2007-03-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Matti,

I do not believe there is any indication of a bad IC.  The display is
digital, and if the level is somewhere above one bar, but not quite 2 bars,
there is an indecision point.

I would expect all the indications point to BFO leakage.  As Jack pointed
out, all K2s have it, and some at a higher level than others.  Evidently
your leakage is greatest into your KSB2 board, and on USB, there may be a
little bit more BFO voltage, hence more leakage.  While you could take steps
to equalize the USB and LSB BFO levels, is there really any need to do that?
Since normal band noise is normally greater than the leakage signal, your
best solution may be to ignore it and set the S-LO menu parameter so no bars
occur in USB, then set S-HI to illuminate the last bar.  If you have an XG1
or XG2 (or other source of a 50 uV signal), you can check the S-9 level and
refine the S HI parameter if required.

The BFO implementation in the K2 is a VXO, and the operating levels can
change as the frequency of the crystals is pulled.  If you want to
experiment, I would suggest you obtain several sets of BFO crystals and
check the operation of each set to see if the levels can be equalized.

The other factor is the BFO alignment for the filter that you are using.  If
he USB filter is aligned so there is greater low frequency audio content
than the LSB filter, you would expect more BO feedthrough because the BFO is
aligned closer to the IF filter center frequency.  Set the filters/BFOs for
an equal response on LSB and USB before attempting to adjust the S-meter
parameters.

73,
Don W3FPR

> -Original Message-
>
> Thanks Don and Jack for the info,
>
> Don,
> I did ground Xtals X3 and X4 at the base (they where grounded on the top),
> flush cut all leads on the mixer and if amp circuits. No change.
>
> Both LSB and USB lit 1 led when I turn the K2 on, and then after abt 5
> min, then on USB the second led will turn on, but on LSB no change.
> Maybe this indicates a bad IC, either the mixer or if amp?
>
> Jack,
> I guess that not all K2 are born equal, as you mention the BFO
> leakage varying up to 10dB, between rigs. Probably some 602 and 1350 have
> better (higher) revese isolation than others.
>
> This BFO leakage is not a big issue for me, just a little annoying.
>
> thanks and 73, Matti
> --
>Marteinn SverrissonTF3MA
>   Langitangi 2Internet: tf3ma [at] raunvis [dot] hi [dot] is
> 270 Mosfellsbær   http://www.raunvis.hi.is/~tf3ma
>Iceland
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Re: [Elecraft] AGC Independent S-Meter?

2007-03-11 Thread Sandy W5TVW
Circuitrywise, an "AGC/AVC free" S-meter is an oxymoron!  Can't have one 
without the other.


I pay little attention to the "S" meter on my K1.  The old "ear" still one 
of the best indicators anyway.  Such things as a 199 signal is as possible 
as having a 519 signal!


I guess it strokes the ego of a 'phone operator to to get a 40 over 9 
report.  What difference does it make if the signal report is 5 by 9 + 40 db 
or 5 by 2?


Most CW ops I know don't depend or rely much on "S" meters anyway.  (Back to 
"ears" again!)

73,
Sandy W5TVW
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AGC Independent S-Meter?


In a message dated 3/11/07 12:24:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

writes:



Anyone have any ideas for an AGC independent S-meter?


Here's what I've used for 40+ years:


Ears

--

I have never really understood the fascination with AGC and S-meters in 
ham
radio for CW. For AM voice, sure, and maybe SSB when the frequency is 
clear,

but when it comes to typical CW operation I don't use either.

I could see where a certain amount of delayed AGC would be useful as an
eardrum-saver, but the same effect can be had by a simple limiter.

IMHO, anyway.

73 de Jim, N2EY


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[Elecraft] re K1 bandwidth

2007-03-11 Thread RC kc5wa
Even though the K1 cames with two different capacitors 
to allow 70khz or 150khz. You can always select a 
capacitor from your junque box to give you ANY 
bandwidth that you desire. That is the beauty of the K1

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Bandwidth Question

2007-03-11 Thread Mike Morrow
Jeff wrote:

>I built a K1 in 2004 and sold it.  I'm thinking about building another
>one, but the K1 I had did not go above about 7075 kHz on 40 meters.
>I'd like the band coverage to be up to about 7120 kHz.  As I recall,
>the only way to do that is to replace a capacitor, I think it was, but
>at considerable compromise to selectivity.

The K1 kit comes with two capacitors that may be installed at RF-C120 to give 
either about a 80 kHz or a 170 kHz VFO span.  The choice has absolutely *NO* 
effect on the selectivity of the K1, which is unchanged and excellent 
regardless of VFO span.

Due to the extreme lack of resistance to motion of the VFO pot shaft, some find 
that the 170 kHz span makes it difficult to remove their fingers from the VFO 
knob without disturbing the setting (which they would also do with the 80 kHz 
span option, only the effect wouldn't be as noticable).  This very trivial 
problem is easily solved by putting some thin felt material between the panel 
and the back of the VFO knob.

With respect to K1 spurious signal rejection at the receiver front-end, the 
four-band filter board is better than the two-band filter board.  The 
elliptical low-pass filters of the four-band board are far sharper and deeper 
than the simple filters on the two-band board.

>...has a KAF2 audio filter mod or something like it ever been
>considered for the K1?

It wouldn't seem to provide much advantage.  The bandwidth of the four-pole 
crystal IF filter may be adjusted in three steps from about 200 to 850 kHz.  
The selectivity as designed is outstanding.

Mike / KK5F
K1 #175 since 11/2000
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Re: [Elecraft] AGC Independent S-Meter?

2007-03-11 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 3/11/07 12:24:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


> Anyone have any ideas for an AGC independent S-meter?

Here's what I've used for 40+ years:


Ears

--

I have never really understood the fascination with AGC and S-meters in ham
radio for CW. For AM voice, sure, and maybe SSB when the frequency is clear, 
but when it comes to typical CW operation I don't use either. 

I could see where a certain amount of delayed AGC would be useful as an
eardrum-saver, but the same effect can be had by a simple limiter. 

IMHO, anyway.

73 de Jim, N2EY


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[Elecraft] K1 Bandwidth Question

2007-03-11 Thread J S

I built a K1 in 2004 and sold it.  I'm thinking about building another
one, but the K1 I had did not go above about 7075 kHz on 40 meters.
I'd like the band coverage to be up to about 7120 kHz.  As I recall,
the only way to do that is to replace a capacitor, I think it was, but
at considerable compromise to selectivity.  The other question:  has a
KAF2 audio filter mod or something like it ever been considered for
the K1?

Jeff
K6ATT
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[Elecraft] Re: BFO oscillator level

2007-03-11 Thread Marteinn Sverrisson
Thanks Don and Jack for the info,

Don,
I did ground Xtals X3 and X4 at the base (they where grounded on the top),
flush cut all leads on the mixer and if amp circuits. No change. 

Both LSB and USB lit 1 led when I turn the K2 on, and then after abt 5
min, then on USB the second led will turn on, but on LSB no change.
Maybe this indicates a bad IC, either the mixer or if amp?

Jack,
I guess that not all K2 are born equal, as you mention the BFO
leakage varying up to 10dB, between rigs. Probably some 602 and 1350 have
better (higher) revese isolation than others.

This BFO leakage is not a big issue for me, just a little annoying.

thanks and 73, Matti
-- 
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  Langitangi 2Internet: tf3ma [at] raunvis [dot] hi [dot] is
270 Mosfellsbær   http://www.raunvis.hi.is/~tf3ma
   Iceland
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RE: [Elecraft] AGC Independent S-Meter?

2007-03-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Darrell,

Certainly a meter could be devised to indicate the strength of the signals
making it through the IF filter - you have the correct points in mind - all
you have to do is tap in at the input of the IF amplifier and then amplify
the signal(s) and drive whatever circuits you want (even a duplicate of the
stock IF amp and  AGC/S-meter circuit).

The biggest problem to solve is how to tap into that signal path without
degrading the signal present in the receiver - that can be accomplished as
long as you pay attention to the impedances.

You may want to look into the Analog Devices AD8307 log amplifier rather
than duplicating the IF amp, especially if you want to drive an external
meter - the '8307 has a log function built in so you can have an S-meter log
response with a linear meter.

73,
Don W3FPR

> -Original Message-
>
> As I typically leave the AF gain at maximum and use the RF gain
> control to set
> the listening level (Better signal to noise ratio.) the S-meter
> is not too
> useful. Also with the AGC turned off the S-meter is not operational.
>
> Anyone have any ideas for an AGC independent S-meter?
>
> I was thinking perhaps use some sort of high impedance RF voltage
> detector
> between D34 and T7 on the RF board. Then amplify the voltage to
> the level and
> range required at the S-meter voltage connection (pin RA1 of the
> MCU), so the
> existing meter could still be used. Of course the connection from
> the MCU to
> the AGC line would have to be disconnected.
>
> --
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> Amateur Radio Stations VA7TO and VE7CLA
> Grand Forks, British Columbia, Canada
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RE: [Elecraft] Question from a newbie

2007-03-11 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
True. And in modern equipment, high-current electrical motors are starting
to appear more often as alternator/battery technology improves. In general,
the number of electrically-powered equipment is on the rise. 

One thing the KNB2 can handle nicely from a diesel engine is the
rare-but-troublesome-when-present staccato noise from some electric fuel
injectors. They can be every bit as bad as noisy spark plugs. 

As Bob observed, *some* power line noise can be removed as well. If
something is arcing over cleanly and regularly the KNB2 will kill it. It's
the "frying egg" types of noise consisting of a mass of overlapping pulses
of varying rates and durations that the KNB2 can't handle. 

Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 10:40 AM
To: Ken Kopp
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Fred (FL)
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question from a newbie


While it is true these trucks were probably diesels and therefore there 
was no IGNITION noise, it is certainly still possible for them to have 
produced electrical noise.  If nothing else, they have alternators.  I'm 
sure we've all heard alternator noise and I suspect the alternators on 
these trucks are heavy duty, capable of producing heavy duty noise.  I'm 
not up to speed on modern diesel engine technologies, but the fuel pump 
and fuel injectors might also be electrical these days, not mechanical, 
as in days of yore (35 years ago when I was a diesel mechanic in the army).

73's,
John AA0VE

Ken Kopp wrote:
> The "4 concrete trucks" and "two large pickups" were almost certain to 
> have had diesel engines and therefore would have had minimal ... if 
> any ... electrical noise to be heard.  Even the motors operating the 
> concrete-handling mechanisms would have been hudraulic.  Not a good 
> "test" for a noise blanker/eleminator. (;-)
>
> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

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Re: [Elecraft] Question from a newbie

2007-03-11 Thread John R. Lonigro
While it is true these trucks were probably diesels and therefore there 
was no IGNITION noise, it is certainly still possible for them to have 
produced electrical noise.  If nothing else, they have alternators.  I'm 
sure we've all heard alternator noise and I suspect the alternators on 
these trucks are heavy duty, capable of producing heavy duty noise.  I'm 
not up to speed on modern diesel engine technologies, but the fuel pump 
and fuel injectors might also be electrical these days, not mechanical, 
as in days of yore (35 years ago when I was a diesel mechanic in the army).


73's,
John AA0VE

Ken Kopp wrote:
The "4 concrete trucks" and "two large pickups" were almost certain to 
have had diesel engines and therefore would have had minimal ... if 
any ... electrical noise to be heard.  Even the motors operating the 
concrete-handling mechanisms would have been hudraulic.  Not a good 
"test" for a noise blanker/eleminator. (;-)


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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RE: [Elecraft] AGC Independent S-Meter?

2007-03-11 Thread Gregg R. Lengling
If you actually duplicate the AGC circuitry in the K2 for the S-meter would
probably be a simple move.  S-meter readings are okay but I don't trust
reports from others because very few people have calibrated S-meters and
even if they are they become dependant on RF Gain Settings, Preamps and
attenuators.  They are what they are a Relative Indicator and nothing more
when it comes to most Amateur Radio operation.  I usually leave the RF gain
at full unless I'm on the TopBand and just use Xtal filters and the DSP
module to give me a clean received signal.

Anyhow on most Contests and other things you always get a 599 as everyone is
too intent on making contacts to actually give you a real report.


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Subject: [Elecraft] AGC Independent S-Meter?

As I typically leave the AF gain at maximum and use the RF gain control to
set 
the listening level (Better signal to noise ratio.) the S-meter is not too 
useful. Also with the AGC turned off the S-meter is not operational.

Anyone have any ideas for an AGC independent S-meter?

I was thinking perhaps use some sort of high impedance RF voltage detector 
between D34 and T7 on the RF board. Then amplify the voltage to the level
and 
range required at the S-meter voltage connection (pin RA1 of the MCU), so
the 
existing meter could still be used. Of course the connection from the MCU to

the AGC line would have to be disconnected.

-- 
Darrell Bellerive
Amateur Radio Stations VA7TO and VE7CLA
Grand Forks, British Columbia, Canada
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Re: [Elecraft] Question from a newbie

2007-03-11 Thread Bob Cunnings

Then you are fortunate enough not to be subject to power line noise at
your QTH. Here I've had continuing problems with power line noise (a
raspy buzz) and the K2 noise blanker is very effective indeed.

Bob NW8L

On 3/10/07, Rich McCabe (IWH) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have had two K2's fully loaded. One with a 38xx serial and the other with
a 44xx serial.

Mine have never left the desk and I have yet to find any type of noise
artificial or other that the NB works on. It's fun to build but in my
opinion if you are looking for bang for the buck, that's not it.

73,
Rich
Kd0zv

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I have a K2 with DSP, and just last weekend added the KNB2 to the mix.

So far, for the noise I have here, the DSP denoiser works much better
than the KNB2. I've just been switching it in and out to see what
affect it has, and so far haven't found much noise that it removes.

I'm in a relatively quiet place though, so that might be it.

As Bob said, it's cheap, and it's a kit you can build and install in
about an hour or two, so why not!? :)

73,

Jeff N6GQ

On 3/10/07, Bob Tellefsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pete
> It all depends on the type of noise you experience.
> For some kinds of noise, the KNB2 works like magic.
> For other kinds, it has no effect at all.  For some odd
> noises, it sort of works.
> Ultimately, it's a crap shoot.  It is an inexpensive option,
> and I would add it as insurance for those times when
> it does work.  I have it in both my K2s.
> 73, Bob N6WG
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "B Peter Treml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:44 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Question from a newbie
>
>
> > I have come into possession of a K2/100 with the DSP filter (KDSP2) but
> does
> > not have the noise blanker (KNB2).
> > Question: (1) Is the noise blanker a worthwhile purchase?
> > Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> > 73, Pete-K8PT
> >
> > >
> > B. Peter Treml [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Elecraft] AGC Independent S-Meter?

2007-03-11 Thread Darrell Bellerive
As I typically leave the AF gain at maximum and use the RF gain control to set 
the listening level (Better signal to noise ratio.) the S-meter is not too 
useful. Also with the AGC turned off the S-meter is not operational.

Anyone have any ideas for an AGC independent S-meter?

I was thinking perhaps use some sort of high impedance RF voltage detector 
between D34 and T7 on the RF board. Then amplify the voltage to the level and 
range required at the S-meter voltage connection (pin RA1 of the MCU), so the 
existing meter could still be used. Of course the connection from the MCU to 
the AGC line would have to be disconnected.

-- 
Darrell Bellerive
Amateur Radio Stations VA7TO and VE7CLA
Grand Forks, British Columbia, Canada
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Re: [Elecraft] Question from a newbie

2007-03-11 Thread Ken Kopp
I made (essentially) the same reply to this identical question when it 
was posed awhile back.


The "4 concrete trucks" and "two large pickups" were almost certain to 
have had diesel engines and therefore would have had minimal ... if any 
... electrical noise to be heard.  Even the motors operating the 
concrete-handling mechanisms would have been hudraulic.  Not a good 
"test" for a noise blanker/eleminator. (;-)


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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RE: [Elecraft] Question from a newbie

2007-03-11 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It's all about the source of the noise.

My KNB2 has made it possible for me to operate where I'd otherwise have
noise pegging the "S-Meter". 

The KNB2 removes repetitive high-amplitude pulse noise such as that produced
by automobile ignition systems, cheap lamp dimmers, etc., that cause a loud
"buz" in the audio. It senses the noise pulses and literally turns the
signal path off for a very brief period when the next pulse arrives.

Other kinds of noise, such as hash from d-c motor commutators or band noise
aren't affected by the KNB2. Since large trucks such as you described are
invariably diesel powered and so have no ignition system, the most likely
source of that noise were the commutators in the d-c motors they use. That
produces a hash much like heavy band QRN.  

The only way to reduce that noise that I've seen yet is a system to
digitally process the signal, picking out the noise elements with a
sophisticate algorithm. The Elecraft KDSP2 offers that ability. I don't have
the KDSP2 in my K2 but the comments from users posted here no the reflector
suggest that it's "denoiser" function works quite well. 

Ron AC7AC 

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I built my K2 #54xx in May 06.  Built the KNB2 Noise
Blanker.  Then found it never really seemed to work on
any noise!  One day, 4 cement trucks & 2 large
pickups sat like 30 feet from my shack - all running,
all working.  The KNB2 did nothing to remove any of
that man-made noise.  Also it doesn't work on any band
noise - that I ever found. I even got a 2nd KNB2, from
Elecraft - and it didn't work either?

The K2 itself - after build - operated true to
all specs, calibrations, & alignments beautifully.

I've since felt, the KNB2 is a design job left to be
re-done, by some Elecraft designer, when they get
around to it.  The IC-7000's Noise Reduction and
Noise Blanker circuitry - amazingly almost always
reduces most band noises, real or imaginary, 
dramatically.  Maybe in the K3?

Fred N3CSY


 


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[Elecraft] K2 Sidetone

2007-03-11 Thread David Pratt

Hello Chris and Stewart -
I carried out the mod to my K2 Revision A board way back in October 
2000, following the instructions by WJ4P and still on the Elecraft web 
site.  I have to say that following these instructions I changed the 
very raspy sidetone to a near sinewave matching my preferred sidetone 
frequency of 550 Hz.  I believe that Elecraft incorporated a similar mod 
when they brought out the Revision B board.

http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/sinewave_sidetone_mod.htm

73

David
G4DMP/G3KEP

In a recent message, G3SJJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ...
Yes, I did wonder about the K2DSP. Haven't got one here, yet!  The mod 
certainly makes a difference though.


Keep up the CW, Stewart!

73 Chris G3SJJ


Stewart Baker wrote:
Although I am not really a CW man I spent a few hours in the recent 
BERU  contest. After a while I began to get a bit 'fed up' with the 
raspy sidetone,  and looked at the reflector achieve for a solution. I 
saw that G3SJJ had  recently done a mod that involved adding a small 
board to hold the components.


I was almost about to go this route but found that this method of 
modification  would likely get in the way of the K2DSP board that sits 
above it. So here is  what I did.


a) I removed C33 and L1.
b) I soldered C33 (2.2uF) in the L1 position
c) I stuck L1 to the BACK of the PCB close to C33 pads with double sided tape
d) I soldered  the (+) terminal of a 1uF capacitor to C33 (+) pad
e) The other leg of the 1uF is soldered to L1
f) The circuit is completed by soldering a 100 ohm from L1 to C33 ( -) pad

This way all components except the 2.2uF capacitor are now out of the 
way on the  back of the control PCB.

The improvement in sidetone quality achieved has been very noticeable.

73
Stewart G3RXQ



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Re: [Elecraft] Question from a newbie

2007-03-11 Thread Tom Hammond

Hi Pete:

I'm always the 'late' one to reply it seems...

The KNB2 is a very good blanker... on CERTAIN noise types... but, as 
with virtually blankers, you DO have to have the right type of noise.


It's generally very good no line noise, sparkplug/elec. mixer/elec. 
fencer noises as well.


If you're interested, 
download  http://www.n0ss.net/knb2_demo.zip  from my web site and 
take a listen to my KNB2 in action. This was NOT a 'set-up' 
demonstration, I just happened to tune across a 20M signal one day 
when my line noise was pretty much out of sight, turned the KNB2 on, 
and the noise disappeared... figgered it was a good demo, so I 
recorded a bit of it.


I have to say as well that there WILL be times when the KNB2 will 
appear to do NOTHING, even though I feel it should be doing its job 
on some noise I'm hearing. Though I've not 'scoped out' the noise, 
it's apparent that it must have some characteristic that the KNB2 
doesn't like, or can't cope with, so the noise remains... but in 
general, the KNB2 works very well... FOR ME anyway!


73,

Tom HammondN0SS

At 07:44 PM 3/10/2007, you wrote:

I have come into possession of a K2/100 with the DSP filter (KDSP2) but does
not have the noise blanker (KNB2).
Question: (1) Is the noise blanker a worthwhile purchase?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
73, Pete-K8PT

>
B. Peter Treml [EMAIL PROTECTED]
725 W. Magnetic St.   www.qrz.com/k8pt
Marquette, Mi. 49855
USA

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RE: [Elecraft] KPA100 low output

2007-03-11 Thread Tom Zeltwanger
Don,

This is hilarious. When I use the proper TUNE sequence, it seems to work fine. I
guess if things don't look right, you should really re-read the instructions (or
don't work on your rig in the morning).

Guess I may be ready to go for the VA QSO party next week after all.

Back to final assembly and testing.

Thanks,

Tom KG3V


Quoting Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Tom,
> 
> How are you initiating transmit?  If you are pressing the TUNE button, the
> power level will be about 20 watts, you must press TUNE and DISPLAY to
> transmit at the full requested output.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > Just finishing KPA100 assembly. All looks good up to the high
> > power transmit
> > tests. I am setting the power control to 100 watts. Power indicator when I
> > transmit says I only have 21-25 watts out on all bands.
> >
> > I am looking over the workmanship, guessing that maybe the final
> > stage is not
> > working at all. Any help greatly appreciated.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Tom KG3V
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Sidetone

2007-03-11 Thread G3SJJ
Yes, I did wonder about the K2DSP. Haven't got one here, yet!  The mod 
certainly makes a difference though.


Keep up the CW, Stewart!

73 Chris G3SJJ


Stewart Baker wrote:
Although I am not really a CW man I spent a few hours in the recent BERU 
contest. After a while I began to get a bit 'fed up' with the raspy sidetone, 
and looked at the reflector achieve for a solution. I saw that G3SJJ had 
recently done a mod that involved adding a small board to hold the components.


I was almost about to go this route but found that this method of modification 
would likely get in the way of the K2DSP board that sits above it. So here is 
what I did.


a) I removed C33 and L1.
b) I soldered C33 (2.2uF) in the L1 position
c) I stuck L1 to the BACK of the PCB close to C33 pads with double sided tape
d) I soldered  the (+) terminal of a 1uF capacitor to C33 (+) pad
e) The other leg of the 1uF is soldered to L1
f) The circuit is completed by soldering a 100 ohm from L1 to C33 ( -) pad

This way all components except the 2.2uF capacitor are now out of the way on the 
back of the control PCB.

The improvement in sidetone quality achieved has been very noticeable.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
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RE: [Elecraft] KPA100 low output

2007-03-11 Thread Tom Zeltwanger
Don,

Thanks for the quick response. I hope it is something this simple (stupid)! I
will go back and try again. I was reading the power and the SWR, so I thought
that should have been transmitting full power. 

I did take the KPA100 apart and checked soldering, checked for possible shorts,
etc. and found nothing but RFC1 soldering not looking great - will check that
connection before I reassemble the unit.

73,

Tom KG3V


Quoting Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Tom,
> 
> How are you initiating transmit?  If you are pressing the TUNE button, the
> power level will be about 20 watts, you must press TUNE and DISPLAY to
> transmit at the full requested output.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > Just finishing KPA100 assembly. All looks good up to the high
> > power transmit
> > tests. I am setting the power control to 100 watts. Power indicator when I
> > transmit says I only have 21-25 watts out on all bands.
> >
> > I am looking over the workmanship, guessing that maybe the final
> > stage is not
> > working at all. Any help greatly appreciated.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Tom KG3V
> >
> >
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RE: [Elecraft] KPA100 low output

2007-03-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Tom,

How are you initiating transmit?  If you are pressing the TUNE button, the
power level will be about 20 watts, you must press TUNE and DISPLAY to
transmit at the full requested output.

73,
Don W3FPR

> -Original Message-

> Just finishing KPA100 assembly. All looks good up to the high
> power transmit
> tests. I am setting the power control to 100 watts. Power indicator when I
> transmit says I only have 21-25 watts out on all bands.
>
> I am looking over the workmanship, guessing that maybe the final
> stage is not
> working at all. Any help greatly appreciated.
>
> 73,
>
> Tom KG3V
>
>
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RE: [Elecraft] K1 Question

2007-03-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Certainly, a zero ohm reading is an indication that pin 4 or the circuit
trace or relay K1 pins 3 or 6 are shorted to ground somewhere.  It could
also be on relay K2 depending on the state of the relays or could be caused
by a shorted crystal, or excess solder that wiched up onto the crystal lead
and shorted it to the case.

Check the soldering, especially for excess solder.  Just enough to fill the
plated thru hole is sufficient, and if there is much more than that, it can
create solder bridges and short one circuit to another.

Name and call please?

73,
Don W3FPR

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>
> I have just finished building the 4 band filter board ( KFL1-4)
> for the K1. I have 3 incorrect resistance checks that I cannot
> resolve. I'll do these one at a time for clarity's sake.
>   The first is P1, pin 3 to pin 4. Desired reading is greater
> than 100k. I'm getting zero. Any suggestions ?
>   Al
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Re: [Elecraft] BFO oscillator level

2007-03-11 Thread Jack Smith
One of questions frequently asked by those who have built my Z90 
panadapter kit and use it with a K2 is "what is that blip that I see 
even with the antenna disconnected?"


It is the BFO leaking backwards through the IF chain back to the 
post-mixer amplifier output. From what I've learned from my customers, 
it's present in all K2s, and seems to vary from K2 to K2 about 10 dB or 
so in level. With the receiver input connected to a dummy load or the 
antenna disconnected, it's visible with a Z90 connected to my K2 at 
about 25 dB above the noise level, and  this level seems to be typical 
of my customers observations.


With an antenna connected, particularly on the lower bands, enough noise 
is received to mostly hide the BFO leakage signal on the Z90 panadapter.


You can see my measured BFO leakage data at 
http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/k2_interface.htm. This page also 
discusses the probably leakage path and estimates the expected leakage 
level,  based on the reverse isolation of the amplifiers in question.


Jack K8ZOA
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re: [Elecraft] HF Digital interface for the K2...

2007-03-11 Thread KA0CT
I am using a RigExpert SD and it works great.  You will also have to use 
W3FPR's fixed audio board for the audio out.  The SD works very well with MixW 
and many other programs, you will also have to have an 8 pin connector for your 
mic and use the patch cable out of the SD into mic plug.

73's
Craig Turner KAØCT
PO Box 5766
Woodland Park, CO 80866

719-661-5695
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[Elecraft] KPA100 low output

2007-03-11 Thread Tom Zeltwanger
Just finishing KPA100 assembly. All looks good up to the high power transmit
tests. I am setting the power control to 100 watts. Power indicator when I
transmit says I only have 21-25 watts out on all bands. 

I am looking over the workmanship, guessing that maybe the final stage is not
working at all. Any help greatly appreciated. 

73,

Tom KG3V


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RE: [Elecraft] Question from a newbie

2007-03-11 Thread Fred (FL)
I built my K2 #54xx in May 06.  Built the KNB2 Noise
Blanker.  Then found it never really seemed to work on
any noise!  One day, 4 cement trucks & 2 large
pickups sat like 30 feet from my shack - all running,
all working.  The KNB2 did nothing to remove any of
that man-made noise.  Also it doesn't work on any band
noise - that I ever found. I even got a 2nd KNB2, from
Elecraft - and it didn't work either?

The K2 itself - after build - operated true to
all specs, calibrations, & alignments beautifully.

I've since felt, the KNB2 is a design job left to be
re-done, by some Elecraft designer, when they get
around to it.  The IC-7000's Noise Reduction and
Noise Blanker circuitry - amazingly almost always
reduces most band noises, real or imaginary, 
dramatically.  Maybe in the K3?

Fred N3CSY


 

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[Elecraft] K2 Sidetone

2007-03-11 Thread Stewart Baker
Although I am not really a CW man I spent a few hours in the recent BERU 
contest. After a while I began to get a bit 'fed up' with the raspy sidetone, 
and looked at the reflector achieve for a solution. I saw that G3SJJ had 
recently done a mod that involved adding a small board to hold the components.

I was almost about to go this route but found that this method of modification 
would likely get in the way of the K2DSP board that sits above it. So here is 
what I did.

a) I removed C33 and L1.
b) I soldered C33 (2.2uF) in the L1 position
c) I stuck L1 to the BACK of the PCB close to C33 pads with double sided tape
d) I soldered  the (+) terminal of a 1uF capacitor to C33 (+) pad
e) The other leg of the 1uF is soldered to L1
f) The circuit is completed by soldering a 100 ohm from L1 to C33 ( -) pad

This way all components except the 2.2uF capacitor are now out of the way on 
the 
back of the control PCB.
The improvement in sidetone quality achieved has been very noticeable.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
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[Elecraft] K1 Question

2007-03-11 Thread Al & Dianne Bruce
I have just finished building the 4 band filter board ( KFL1-4) for the K1. I 
have 3 incorrect resistance checks that I cannot resolve. I'll do these one at 
a time for clarity's sake. 
  The first is P1, pin 3 to pin 4. Desired reading is greater than 100k. I'm 
getting zero. Any suggestions ?
  Al
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RE: [Elecraft] BFO oscillator level

2007-03-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Matti,

Rather than the BFO leaking directly into the AGC circuit, there is a much
greater liklihood that the BFO signal is leaking into the IF amplifier, T7
or the IF crystals themselves, including the crystals on the KSB2 option.
Once the BFO finds its way into those circuits, it will be coupled to the
AGC input by the normal AGC Input signal path.

I would suggest first steps to reduce BFO leakage would be to make certain
all the crystal cans are grounded at the base (particularly the BFO and IF
crystals) rather than at the top, and that the soldering at the grounding
point be good - you should see the edge of the solder taper smoothly out
onto the crystal case - if there is a distinct edge to the solder or it
looks like a ball on the crystal can, the crystal can did not receive enough
heat for a good solder connection.

Clip all leads in the product detector and IF amplifier to the minimum
possible (including the IC leads).  If there is excess solder, it should be
removed with solder wick or a de-soldering tool.  With plated thru holes,
there is no need for a fillet of solder at the connection - if the holes are
filled with solder, that is sufficient.  Before flush cutting the leads, it
may ba a good idea to re-flow the soldering in the area with a soldering
iron set to about 750 degrees F (400 C).

Good luck.

73,
Don W3FPR

> -Original Message-
>
> I did some measurements on the BFO output level on my K2 #2024.
> On U11 pin 6, I measured LSB: 596mV RMS, USB: 727mV RMS, CW:
> 577mV RMS, using
> the RF probe and a DVM.
>
> There has always been some BFO leakage into the AGC circuit. When I
> adjust the S-meter LOW for 1 led lit on LSB, two leds will lit up on
> USB, (40m band), I suspect this is caused by some leakage from
> the BFO osc,
> beeing a little more on USB than on LSB.
>
> Is there a simple way to reduce (or equalize) the BFO osc level,
> say by half?
> It would still be within specs (see page 11 Appendix E, on manual)
> Best if the BFO level would not change when the BFO freq is changed.
>
> 73, de Matti
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[Elecraft] BFO oscillator level

2007-03-11 Thread Marteinn Sverrisson

I did some measurements on the BFO output level on my K2 #2024.
On U11 pin 6, I measured LSB: 596mV RMS, USB: 727mV RMS, CW: 577mV RMS, using
the RF probe and a DVM.

There has always been some BFO leakage into the AGC circuit. When I
adjust the S-meter LOW for 1 led lit on LSB, two leds will lit up on
USB, (40m band), I suspect this is caused by some leakage from the BFO osc,
beeing a little more on USB than on LSB.

Is there a simple way to reduce (or equalize) the BFO osc level, say by half?
It would still be within specs (see page 11 Appendix E, on manual)
Best if the BFO level would not change when the BFO freq is changed.

73, de Matti
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[Elecraft] RE: K2 - 20m receive

2007-03-11 Thread David Douglass
Hi All,

 

I’ve answered my own question !! just tweaked C21 and C23 and now have more
‘oomph’ on 20m RX, with same power output !!.

 

Even though I’d tweaked these for max power output originally ??

 

Anyway, sorry for the bandwidth.

 

Regards

 

David

 

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From: David Douglass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2007 8:32 PM
To: 'elecraft@mailman.qth.net'
Subject: K2 - 20m receive

 

Hi All,

 

I’ve have a suspect issue with low RX on 20m.

 

The level of background noise on 20m is substantially lower than other
bands, and in general the RX level on 20 seems down to other bands.

 

I’ve suspected this of being the case for a while but just noticed more over
this weekend in the BERU contest.

 

I can still receive stations, and local VK and ZL still give strong signals
(s9 plus), but I have a feeling something is amiss. The receive level on 20
is comparable with other bands with the pre-amp turned off (and before you
ask, I have the pre-amp on).

 

I have full power out (on K2 and K2/100) on 20 and therefore think that I
have the alignment pretty much OK.

 

Is there any parts in the 20m RX path that I should suspect that are
specific to receive on this band, and not shared with TX or neighboring
bands?

 

I plan to do a full RX and TX alignment, once I have a good nights sleep,
but thought I would check here first !!

 

Thanks

 

David, VK2NU


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[Elecraft] K2 - 20m receive

2007-03-11 Thread David Douglass
Hi All,

 

I’ve have a suspect issue with low RX on 20m.

 

The level of background noise on 20m is substantially lower than other
bands, and in general the RX level on 20 seems down to other bands.

 

I’ve suspected this of being the case for a while but just noticed more over
this weekend in the BERU contest.

 

I can still receive stations, and local VK and ZL still give strong signals
(s9 plus), but I have a feeling something is amiss. The receive level on 20
is comparable with other bands with the pre-amp turned off (and before you
ask, I have the pre-amp on).

 

I have full power out (on K2 and K2/100) on 20 and therefore think that I
have the alignment pretty much OK.

 

Is there any parts in the 20m RX path that I should suspect that are
specific to receive on this band, and not shared with TX or neighboring
bands?

 

I plan to do a full RX and TX alignment, once I have a good nights sleep,
but thought I would check here first !!

 

Thanks

 

David, VK2NU


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