[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 40, Issue 10 - External matching case for K3
Elecraft have said yes, there will be a matching case, just as there is one for the K2. But will not be available until after first shipments. On 9/8/07 02:48, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > Will be blessed with an external matching case for the K3? -- Once upon a time a man whose axe was missing suspected his neighbour's son. The boy walked like a thief, looked like a thief, and spoke like a thief. But the man found his axe while digging in the valley, and the next time he saw his neighbour's son, the boy walked, looked and spoke like any other child. -Lao-tzu, philosopher (6th century BCE) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 - iMic for Digital Modes
Has anyone successfully used the iMic USB-Sound device for digital modes (or anything else) with the MS NT4 o/s? I want to move my K2 digital stuff using the Rigblaster Plus interface from my main computer using XP (where the iMic works very well) to a separate computer using NT4. The manufacturer says that it's not supported under NT, but we know the ingenuity of Elecraft users, right? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 question re dual receive
Hi Tim, The KRX3 subreceiver can either share the main receiver's RF path or get its signal from the unused KAT3 ATU antenna jack. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 8, 2007, at 6:34 PM, Tim Logan wrote: I'm confused. I've assumed that the K3 sub-receiver must be connected to a second antenna - a luxury many don't have. However, as I read more I'm starting to wonder if the sub-receiver can be used for dual receive even though you are using one antenna? Is that the case or have I just exposed the depths to which my ignorance can sink hi hi? 73/Tim NZ7C ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 question re dual receive
I'm confused. I've assumed that the K3 sub-receiver must be connected to a second antenna - a luxury many don't have. However, as I read more I'm starting to wonder if the sub-receiver can be used for dual receive even though you are using one antenna? Is that the case or have I just exposed the depths to which my ignorance can sink hi hi? 73/Tim NZ7C ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 serial numbers
Just to clarify: I meant the K3s will have serial numbers, but there will be no differentiation between factory vs. kit. 73, Wayne On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:23 PM, wayne burdick wrote: On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote: I assume the K3 will have serial numbers like the other Elecraft rigs. I am wondering if the numbers will be different for factory build v. kit build? No. You won't be able to tell the difference between the two physically or electrically, either. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] NØSS comments
Hi Doug: Wow! I really want to play with one first, but I'm getting very close to ordering K3 #2, sight unseen. Tom and I agree 100% on the Kenwood 930/940/950 QSKIDEAL! QSK is a BIG DEAL for me. Sure wish there more field tester comments posted on the "other stuff" going on. Gotta keep yo in the dark a little... or it'll be completely anticlimactic!!! It's got a bunch of other neat things going on in there too... QRX... Tom ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 serial numbers
On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote: I assume the K3 will have serial numbers like the other Elecraft rigs. I am wondering if the numbers will be different for factory build v. kit build? No. You won't be able to tell the difference between the two physically or electrically, either. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 serial numbers
I assume the K3 will have serial numbers like the other Elecraft rigs. I am wondering if the numbers will be different for factory build v. kit build? Anyone heard? Thanks 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:41:51 -0700, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote: > use a silver (pre iPod white) Griffin iMic, and it has a slight >amount of 60Hz noise on it but much les than I have seen on the >TT. Good to hear that someone else sees that crud on the iMic (I use the white one with a RigBlaster Plus). I thought that it was something that I did or forgot to do.. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2? (Revised Message)
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:37:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I like the USB interface because it lacks any issues with IRQs. > That's a huge advantage over running 3 or 4 serial ports. I run 7 serial ports (9 if you want to count the two USB-to-serial converters) on my Win XP PC without any conflict. Of course, the key is to choose the right multiport cards. I use the single on-board port and three Quatech DSC-100 cards (I don't have any financial interest in Quatech, I just like their products which are not cheap). I also run 6 USB devices (4 on-board ports and a 7-port hub in one of them). (Lists of devices available for the curious.) -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] NØSS comments
Tom sed: [snip] "And Wayne, I KNOW you're listening too... the latest changes you've made to the K3's firmware have really made the QSK sweet... quiet and FAST. I now consider it to be as good as that of my TS-930S, which I always felt had some of the very best QSK ever offered in an HF rig... bar none." [endsnip] Wow! I really want to play with one first, but I'm getting very close to ordering K3 #2, sight unseen. Tom and I agree 100% on the Kenwood 930/940/950 QSKIDEAL! QSK is a BIG DEAL for me. Sure wish there more field tester comments posted on the "other stuff" going on. de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 VOX & AntiVox... WOW... GREAT WORK Lyle!
Hello Tom! Golly... I am absolutely amazed at what you have done with the K3's DSP to allow for such absolutely CLEAN VOX operation... Thank you for the kind words. Lyle ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: USB Support - K3, K2?
Fred (FL) wrote: I just don't understand why RS-232C and that god awful plug, lives on? Fred, The K3 supports RS232 because a very large percentage of existing transceiver-to-computer installations are still using it. There are well-established hardware drivers, interfaces, and software applications used for data modes, CW keying, contesting, logging, etc. If we didn't provide such support, we'd be forcing many of our present and future customers to completely re-tool. In the near term, those who prefer to use USB can use our USB adapter or someone else's -- the cost of these is very low. But because our I/O module is easily upgradeable, we'll be able to offer in-box USB, ethernet, or whatever interface makes sense in the future. We believe this flexible approach best serves our customers. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
Whatever Elecraft's data comms interface is for the K3 - I hope they are not relying on our using some item like a "Tiger Direct" USB-to-Serial cable converter. I have one here on my desk, that couldn't be made to work with Kenwood's TH-F6A HT and Kenwood's freebee software program. Unfortunately, here in summer place - all I have is a very modern WiFi Compaq high-end PC with lots of USB ports and hubs - and NO RS-232C Serial port at all. My printer is USB. My mouse is USB. I just don't understand why RS-232C and that god awful plug, lives on? I wrote Z-80 program for TTY RS-232C data comms product for Exxon's "QYX The Intelligent Typewriter" and "QTTY" was a success for 1 year, before IBM came out with their first DOS PC in 81. As arcaic as RS-232C is, there are certain standards that the interface is supposed to obey, and that the software applications are supposed to comply with. Both drivers, and applications. Trying to get this to work reliably over a USB-to-Serial cable device bridge - may not be the most sure way to do it. In discussing it with Kenwood's Calif. Customer Support center - they indicated that they had found that some cable USB-to-Serial converters actually used wrong wire connections on some of the RS-232C plug pinouts. I guess perhaps I'll just shy away - from using any data comms on the K3, until someone smarter in this stuff than I - can work it out. Which I'm sure in the end, they may do. Alas . we lost a USB opportunity in ham radio. Fred, N3CSY Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 VOX & AntiVox... WOW... GREAT WORK Lyle!
Lyle: Being a 99.5% CW op, I seldom (ever) operate fone... heck, I can seldom FIND the mic for that matter. But this afternoon, while waiting for Wayne to respond to a couple questions I had submitted to him, I cranked the K3 up to the (shudder) fone band on 20M, just to see if I cold get it to operate on fone, and to see how well the VOX worked. I must say that one of the reasons I have always HATED operating fone in VOX mode in the past was the constant clicking of T-R relays and having to almost shout into the mic in order to overcome the ANTI VOX gain required by many of the (older) rig's I'd used in the past. I also hated it when the mic would trip repeatedly as a result of the audio being picked up by the mic from the speaker... I've never(!) had/used a rig which had what I considered to be decent ANTI VOX. Well... NOW I HAVE! Golly... I am absolutely amazed at what you have done with the K3's DSP to allow for such absolutely CLEAN VOX operation. I was expecting to have to diddle with the VOX GAIN initially, to set it for my voice level, and THEN, to have to FIGHT with the ANTI VOX in order to compensate for the amount of VOX GAIN I'd chosen. That never happened...! In my Field Test K3, the VOX GAIN had been defaulted to a value of 30 (if I recall) and the ANTI VOX to 100. So I started out using those values. Using a Heil hand mic intended for an Icom radio, I found that I was able to crank the VOX GAIN back to about 10-15 and still had more than ample VOX sensitivity. Then, to my absolute amazement, I found that I could crank the ANTI VOX level all the way down to 0 (zero) and I STILL could not force the speaker audio to 'falsely' trip the VOX...!!! And I tried pretty hard... I even held the mic up in front of the speaker, about 2" away and still it was stable. I then cranked the VOX DELAY down to 200 mS (0.2S) and worked a station in Croatia with what was almost syllabic VOX... being able to listen between even short pauses in speaking... not quite between words (I didn't want to press my luck THIS time), but it sure is sweet! I'm still a died-in-the-wool CW op, but I must say that what I've seen so far from your efforts with the K3 DSP on the SSB features wouldn't take much to have me operating fone a LOT more frequently. And Wayne, I KNOW you're listening too... the latest changes you've made to the K3's firmware have really made the QSK sweet... quiet and FAST. I now consider it to be as good as that of my TS-930S, which I always felt had some of the very best QSK ever offered in an HF rig... bar none. Field Testing this rig is just getting funner and funner as the days go on. 73, Tom N0SS K3 #0008 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 parts identification/substitution
Hi. My K2 RFC6 is gold-blue-gray-silver. Is this correct? I.e. all my other RFCs have the tolerance band *after* the three bands for the value whereas RFC6 has it *before" them. Just another manufacturer's quirk? My K2 Q6 driver transistor is marked "C5739" which doesn't match the parts list (says it should be a 2SC2166). Is this a substitute or an incorrect component? Many thanks, Graham G3ZOD. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K2 for a newbie HAM
There are a couple important things to do: 1) Get the right equipment. Read the information at the Elecraft site and get a real soldering station with a variety of tip sizes and an adjustable temperature control. Get the right solder. Get one of those spring-loaded solder suckers for fixing your mistakes. The bulb-shaped ones don't work. (If you can afford a real desoldering station then that's even better, but it's overkill.) 2) Read everything you can find at the Elecraft site about proper soldering technique. Order a minikit or two to assemble first -- maybe the dummy load, which is dirt-simple and is useful for tuning the radio when you're done. If you have a good soldering iron -- not the fixed-temperature cheap Radio Shack model -- and you have a good idea what you're doing, you should be OK. You'll need some kind of magnifying glasses or one of those lights with the magnifying lense built in. And you'll need something to deal with static -- like a static mat and ground strap all properly grounded. Good luck and have fun! Craig NZ0R KX1 #1499 K1 #1966 K2/100 #4941 K3/100 coming soon! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Jolley Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:43 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K2 for a newbie HAM Folks - I am very new to amateur radio and have a question - am looking at my first rig and leaning towards a k2 (would begin without the additional 100W's). I do not have much experience with electronics but am (in general) very handy - is this something that someone with little to no experience can do if they are careful? Or is assembling the kit probably not a good way to go for someone with limited experience. Any opinions are appreciated in advance - Thanks! John Jolley - KD8FKC - Columbus, Ohio ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 for a newbie HAM
John, Welcome to amateur radio and to the Elecraft reflector! If you can solder properly and correctly follow written instructions, you can build a K2 (or most any other Elecraft kit). If you are not certain about your soldering ability, check out the soldering tutorial info on the Elecraft website (Builder's Resource page I believe), try several solder connections and if possible find someone who knows what a good solder connection is (and will be honest with you) and ask him/her to critique your work. No similar help with the 'follow instructions' part , but if you don't understand parts of the manual, you will find help on this reflector. 73, Don W3FPR John Jolley wrote: Folks - I am very new to amateur radio and have a question - am looking at my first rig and leaning towards a k2 (would begin without the additional 100W's). I do not have much experience with electronics but am (in general) very handy - is this something that someone with little to no experience can do if they are careful? Or is assembling the kit probably not a good way to go for someone with limited experience. Any opinions are appreciated in advance - Thanks! John Jolley - KD8FKC - Columbus, Ohio ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 for a newbie HAM
Folks - I am very new to amateur radio and have a question - am looking at my first rig and leaning towards a k2 (would begin without the additional 100W's). I do not have much experience with electronics but am (in general) very handy - is this something that someone with little to no experience can do if they are careful? Or is assembling the kit probably not a good way to go for someone with limited experience. Any opinions are appreciated in advance - Thanks! John Jolley - KD8FKC - Columbus, Ohio ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
> Although I've never tried it, it claims support for Macintosh > computers without the requirement of loading any new drivers. Works very well with Chen's cocoaModem, uH Router and Don's MLDX. Both Chen and Don have done an excellent job in writing native support for all the microHAM interfaces. > Any chance that someone has any real-world experience as to the > clock accuracy of the sound card used in the external interface? > I.e. how far off is it on Rx and Tx? Checks with MMTTY/MMVARI/MMSSTV consistently show zero error unless you try to "share" the sound chip between two applications with different sampling rates that are not integer multiples (e.g., 11025 and 48000 Hz). > I see they also claim Linux compatibility with this product, too. The USB interface and USB Sound Device are industry standard devices for which drivers exist in most LINUX distributions. There are still some issues in writing applications to the microprocessor controller in DigiKeyer, microKEYER and microKEYER II (to be released the end of this month). Chen's uH Router can probably be ported to LINUX using the named pipes interface if there were a developer interested in taking on the task. 73, ... Joe Subich, W4TV microHAM America http://www.microHAM-USA.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kunath > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:27 PM > To: Tom Miller > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2? > > > Tom Miller wrote: > > > The DigiKeyer puts a high quality sound card OUTSIDE of the > computer, > > and also chats with your radio on serial or TTL. It all > connects to > > your PC with a single USB (1.1 & 2.0) connection. Although > I've never > > tried it, it claims support for Macintosh computers without the > > requirement of loading any new drivers. > > Any chance that someone has any real-world experience as to the clock > accuracy of the sound card used in the external interface? > I.e. how far > off is it on Rx and Tx? I think MixW in Windows lets you > check that, or > MMSSTV. > > I see they also claim Linux compatibility with this product, too. > > I'd be really interested to see how the clock timing stacks > up on this, > i.e. if it's reasonably accurate both in Rx and Tx sample rates and > stable as to any error value. > > Rick Kunath, k9ao ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
I agree with you on Linux, and the quoted text below about it isn't mine. If Elecraft offers a working USB dongle, that is sufficient USB support for me. Leigh/WA5ZNU On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 1:37 pm, Matthew D. Pitts wrote: - Original Message - From: "Vic K2VCO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2? Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote: This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire for USB inside an HF radio. Agreed. From the point of view of the manufacturer, there is the big headache of having to provide drivers for the various operating systems -- and versions of operating systems. Do we want Elecraft to spend valuable staff time making sure that working drivers are available for Windows 95 through Vista, the various Mac OS versions, Linux, and who knows what? Ok, I finally got pulled into this debate; in the case of Linux and most likely MacOS X, if the USB Chip is supported by the OS Kernel, there won't be a problem. I know the FTDI chips are supported natively in Linux (not sure what kernel version offhand) from reading it on several Yahoo Groups that I'm in that are part of projects that use that chipset. Matthew Pitts N8OHU K2 #5956 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
On the Elecraft web site, in the K3 order form section, they list a KUSB (Univ. Ser Bus Adapt.) for $39.00. I assume this is a adapter to convert the existing K3 RS-232 Port to a USB Port? If so, it sounds like Elecraft is endorsing at least one RS-232 to USB Adapter. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks, Frank - W6NEK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
I believe the incentive for advocating USB in the K3 (or any other radio) is grounded in the fact that serial ports are disappearing from laptop (and some desktop) computers. Yep. Serial ports make more sense to me - the means to communicate with the port is native in every operating system in current use (and is likely to continue to be), and it is the duty of the application to make the communications happen. So you choose an application that supports the radio and runs on your chosen OS. That is much different than depending on the radio manufacturer to provide support for a myriad of USB drivers whose requirements will likely change with the next version of the operating system. Very true, although this doesn't need to be the case. FireWire and video cameras proves that. No special drivers necessary. Serial will drive a long distance, so if you want to control the radio in a far corner of the home, all you need do is run a long serial cable - with USB, the distance is limited. There's definitely an argument for serial ports here, but unfortunately (or not, depending on how you look at it), Ethernet solves this problem and offers a potentially unlimited control distance over the Internet. No drivers necessary, just a telnet program. Serial ports may be disappearing from laptops, but the technology is uncomplicated and well proven and has fewer roadblocks and dependencies than solutions like USB. I completely agree. Yes, Ethernet would be a better choice for those who have computer networks installed already, but a small inexpensive computer (with a serial port) dedicated to the radio installation can easily provide that level of connectivity - Simon Brown's HRD does provide for such remote operation. A dumb terminal could theoretically work. I have seem several refurbished 2 GHz/512k/40GB IBM computers with *2* serial ports advertised recently in the $200 range. A computer like that would provide more power than needed for most situations, but then I already have more computers than I need. Yep. And you can buy serial port PCI cards. I like the USB interface because it lacks any issues with IRQs. That's a huge advantage over running 3 or 4 serial ports. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
- Original Message - From: "Vic K2VCO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2? Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote: This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire for USB inside an HF radio. Agreed. From the point of view of the manufacturer, there is the big headache of having to provide drivers for the various operating systems -- and versions of operating systems. Do we want Elecraft to spend valuable staff time making sure that working drivers are available for Windows 95 through Vista, the various Mac OS versions, Linux, and who knows what? Ok, I finally got pulled into this debate; in the case of Linux and most likely MacOS X, if the USB Chip is supported by the OS Kernel, there won't be a problem. I know the FTDI chips are supported natively in Linux (not sure what kernel version offhand) from reading it on several Yahoo Groups that I'm in that are part of projects that use that chipset. Matthew Pitts N8OHU K2 #5956 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Vic K2VCO wrote: Thom LaCosta wrote: And then when the driver doesn't install correctly, they will be asked to help, even if the problem is caused by some kind of resource conflict, spyware, or whatever. And they won't when it happens with the adpater they supply? This is possibly an argument for them *not* supplying an adapter and letting it be the user's responsibility. Reselling an adapter is a courtesy -- they've tested it, they know it talks to the radio. The driver is the adapter manufacturer's responsibility. But if this seems likely to lead to bad feelings or finger pointing, then they should leave it up to the user to get an adapter if needed. Hard for me to accept they would simply sell it as a courtesyby selling it, they are implying it works. I wouldn't do that, unless I had run a test with a specific computer and specific OS. I think it's a matter of Elecraft realizing that newer computers may not have a serial port. I suspect their tests of the adpater lead them to the conclusion that it would work in a high enough per centage of the times that they could offer it. I don't think any of can really say that they will and won't do, could and should do, etc. I think they were between a rock and a hard place ... they produce a radio that uses a computer interface that is not readily available on most new computers. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] FS: K2/100
The K2/100 has been spoken for, thanks to the many who responded. 73 Tim Nz8J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NZ8J Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:58 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K2/100 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
Screenshots I have seen of the TigerTronics USB show crud at the <200Hz level. I don't have one and haven't tested it. I use a silver (pre iPod white) Griffin iMic, and it has a slight amount of 60Hz noise on it but much les than I have seen on the TT. I use a TT SL1-+, but don't use its vox feature on the K2 (cat control). Leigh/WA5ZNU On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:26 pm, Rick Kunath wrote: Tom Miller wrote: The DigiKeyer puts a high quality sound card OUTSIDE of the computer, and also chats with your radio on serial or TTL. It all connects to your PC with a single USB (1.1 & 2.0) connection. Although I've never tried it, it claims support for Macintosh computers without the requirement of loading any new drivers. Any chance that someone has any real-world experience as to the clock accuracy of the sound card used in the external interface? I.e. how far off is it on Rx and Tx? I think MixW in Windows lets you check that, or MMSSTV. I see they also claim Linux compatibility with this product, too. I'd be really interested to see how the clock timing stacks up on this, i.e. if it's reasonably accurate both in Rx and Tx sample rates and stable as to any error value. Rick Kunath, k9ao ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
The SignaLink USB is another option, it's very simple to use, have nice external level controls and is idiotically simple to install. As incontrovertible evidence to support these assertions, even I was able to install and use it! 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] kx1 battery
Brett, The KX1 is speced up to 14 volts, so you are a bit on the high side. You could use a couple diodes in series with the batteries to drop the voltage level if you can fit everything inside the case. I will go out on a limb (and Wayne might correct me too ) and say that the most susceptable part to increased supply voltage is the Zener diode in the PA collector circuit. That diode is there to protect the PA transistor from high levels of peak RF voltage that can result with a high SWR - so you may get away with the higher supply voltage if you keep the power down closer to 3 watts (adjust R4 for lower output) rather than trying to push for 4 watts or more. 73, Don W3FPR Brett gazdzinski wrote: Just a quick question, my cell phone uses a lithium Ion battery that is 3.7 volts at 1100mAh, four would do 14.8 volts and would be much smaller than AA batteries. I think you could actually fit 6 in the space of 6 AA batteries. Is 14.8 volts to much for a KX1? Brett N2DTS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
Tom Miller wrote: The DigiKeyer puts a high quality sound card OUTSIDE of the computer, and also chats with your radio on serial or TTL. It all connects to your PC with a single USB (1.1 & 2.0) connection. Although I've never tried it, it claims support for Macintosh computers without the requirement of loading any new drivers. Any chance that someone has any real-world experience as to the clock accuracy of the sound card used in the external interface? I.e. how far off is it on Rx and Tx? I think MixW in Windows lets you check that, or MMSSTV. I see they also claim Linux compatibility with this product, too. I'd be really interested to see how the clock timing stacks up on this, i.e. if it's reasonably accurate both in Rx and Tx sample rates and stable as to any error value. Rick Kunath, k9ao ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
One thing I want to say is that anyone planning on using the K3 for digital modes should get a very good soundcard as the K3's specs will be so good that a standard on-board soundcard solution will be the weak link in the chain. Myself I have the Delta-44 from M-Audio in use with my TS-480 and I have a Edirol FA-66 waiting to be used with the K3. The SignaLink USB is another option, it's very simple to use, have nice external level controls and is idiotically simple to install. Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: "Tom Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Having another soundcard for all your radio work is nice. There's less risk that an audible windows prompt will key your radio, and you don't have to go into the soundcard settings all the time to readjust them. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
There have been many good points made on both sides of this issue. I think the beauty of USB or ethernet ports is in the eye of the beholder, and just as there are many facets to amateur radio, there are as many ways to evaluate a piece of hardware. I'd like to suggest a solution. I have no affiliation with this company, other than owning one. The product is called a microHam DigiKeyer. Here is a pointer >> http://www.microham.com/ The DigiKeyer puts a high quality sound card OUTSIDE of the computer, and also chats with your radio on serial or TTL. It all connects to your PC with a single USB (1.1 & 2.0) connection. Although I've never tried it, it claims support for Macintosh computers without the requirement of loading any new drivers. Having another soundcard for all your radio work is nice. There's less risk that an audible windows prompt will key your radio, and you don't have to go into the soundcard settings all the time to readjust them. Sound and serial, all through a USB connection. Pretty clean... a nice balance of features. At the risk of loosing the peace, I'd like to see an ethernet port and a TCP-IP endstation inside the radio but with a DigiKeyer, and my PC sitting next to the K3 (which I can remote into) I'm pretty close to that same goal. I can even defend that having the PC there is +more+ flexible. Maybe K3 plus DigiKeyer is the best solution already? Oh yes. One more point. microHam *IS* planning a K3 cable. It's not in their pulldown just yet, but it's expected in some time in October. There's no point in all of use emailing them. 73 from Pennsylvania, tom n3ckk ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] kx1 battery
Just a quick question, my cell phone uses a lithium Ion battery that is 3.7 volts at 1100mAh, four would do 14.8 volts and would be much smaller than AA batteries. I think you could actually fit 6 in the space of 6 AA batteries. Is 14.8 volts to much for a KX1? Brett N2DTS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
Thom LaCosta wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Vic K2VCO wrote: And then when the driver doesn't install correctly, they will be asked to help, even if the problem is caused by some kind of resource conflict, spyware, or whatever. And they won't when it happens with the adpater they supply? I agree that having the USB inside the radio could be a problembut if they sell an adapterm there is some responsibility for them to support it. This is possibly an argument for them *not* supplying an adapter and letting it be the user's responsibility. Reselling an adapter is a courtesy -- they've tested it, they know it talks to the radio. The driver is the adapter manufacturer's responsibility. But if this seems likely to lead to bad feelings or finger pointing, then they should leave it up to the user to get an adapter if needed. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Don Wilhelm wrote: I have seem several refurbished 2 GHz/512k/40GB IBM computers with *2* serial ports advertised recently in the $200 range. A computer like that would provide more power than needed for most situations, but then I already have more computers than I need. And so do I...with no room for any more, and no money to power yet another watt burner. It would seem to me that of all the solutions, the external ding-dong adapter may be the least objectionable of all. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Vic K2VCO wrote: Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote: This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire for USB inside an HF radio. And then when the driver doesn't install correctly, they will be asked to help, even if the problem is caused by some kind of resource conflict, spyware, or whatever. And they won't when it happens with the adpater they supply? I agree that having the USB inside the radio could be a problembut if they sell an adapterm there is some responsibility for them to support it. If that's not the case, I can see situations where concept of circular guilt and it doesn't live here will operate. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] USB, K3, K4, etc.
I don't really feel any need for USB support in my radio, but here's something else to add to the ever growing suggestion stack. It only addresses firmware updates, not communication with the radio. My Olevia TV offers firmware updates which are available on the Olevia web site. I simply downloaded a .zip file to my computer, unzipped five files, and copied them to a flash memory stick. Then I inserted the stick into a USB connector on the back of the TV and turned it on. In a minute I had a TV with the latest features and bug fixes. Simple. No cables, no computer or OS requirements except USB support, and no other software needed. Of course if we keep adding all these extras, we'll soon have to go to a bigger box. But we've already been there a couple of weeks ago. 73, Dave W5DHM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] External matching case for K3
Will be blessed with an external matching case for the K3? I've searched around, but found no mention in other messages. Although I probably can't figure what I'd use it for, except mabe a very large external speaker/amp. 73 Ken WB2ART ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
Well said Vic. Warning - opinionated reply below . I believe the incentive for advocating USB in the K3 (or any other radio) is grounded in the fact that serial ports are disappearing from laptop (and some desktop) computers. Serial ports make more sense to me - the means to communicate with the port is native in every operating system in current use (and is likely to continue to be), and it is the duty of the application to make the communications happen. So you choose an application that supports the radio and runs on your chosen OS. That is much different than depending on the radio manufacturer to provide support for a myriad of USB drivers whose requirements will likely change with the next version of the operating system. Serial will drive a long distance, so if you want to control the radio in a far corner of the home, all you need do is run a long serial cable - with USB, the distance is limited. Serial ports may be disappearing from laptops, but the technology is uncomplicated and well proven and has fewer roadblocks and dependencies than solutions like USB. Yes, Ethernet would be a better choice for those who have computer networks installed already, but a small inexpensive computer (with a serial port) dedicated to the radio installation can easily provide that level of connectivity - Simon Brown's HRD does provide for such remote operation. I have seem several refurbished 2 GHz/512k/40GB IBM computers with *2* serial ports advertised recently in the $200 range. A computer like that would provide more power than needed for most situations, but then I already have more computers than I need. 73, Don W3FPR Vic K2VCO wrote: Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote: This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire for USB inside an HF radio. Agreed. From the point of view of the manufacturer, there is the big headache of having to provide drivers for the various operating systems -- and versions of operating systems. Do we want Elecraft to spend valuable staff time making sure that working drivers are available for Windows 95 through Vista, the various Mac OS versions, Linux, and who knows what? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
On 8/8/07, Vic K2VCO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Agreed. From the point of view of the manufacturer, there is the big > headache of having to provide drivers for the various operating systems > -- and versions of operating systems. That's the key point, I think. The argument against having noisy chips inside radios could equally be applied to serial interfaces (in fact, ISTR the KIO2 had an option to disable it because it created a small amount of noise.) There are people who have argued for having an Ethernet interface and built-in web server inside the radio. Personally I think computers and radios are getting far too inter-dependent and there is a danger that the modern generation of radios will become obsolete before yesterday's models simply because the computers necessary to use them are no longer made or supported. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote: This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire for USB inside an HF radio. Agreed. From the point of view of the manufacturer, there is the big headache of having to provide drivers for the various operating systems -- and versions of operating systems. Do we want Elecraft to spend valuable staff time making sure that working drivers are available for Windows 95 through Vista, the various Mac OS versions, Linux, and who knows what? And then when the driver doesn't install correctly, they will be asked to help, even if the problem is caused by some kind of resource conflict, spyware, or whatever. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
This is a bit of a rant, I must admit, I am mystified by the desire for USB inside an HF radio. I can understand the need, and value it myself, of being able to plug in a usb cable to a computer and hook a radio up to a computer. But requiring the radio to have a noisy USB chip inside it makes no sense. A cable that goes from the radio to the computer and has USB on the computer end provides 100% of the functionality necessary, reduces cost of the radio, and imcreases options (I.e., I can also control the radi with a microprocessor, or with an RF data device, both of which interface with serial). Aside from USB, there are many digital bus standards opewn to amateurs an uC controller users...even a $1 PIC can handle the Dallas Semiconductor 1-wire interface, the I^2C interface, and the SPI interface. (In fact, I would suspect that AUXBUS is either SPI or a variant.) Though there are PIC chips with USB in them, they are more expensive, and asymmetric: the host side of the interface, which is what you need to be able to control a USB radio, is much more burdensome and generally done only on PC-sized computers. Others have mentioned ethernet (and Orion and Kenwood have done it), though the attendant noise is an issue, and Bluetooth RF interface. All of these could easily be layered on top of one of the 1- to 3-wire serial interfaces mentioned above, at low cost. And we already know that Elecraft offers a bump-in-the-cord USB interface already for a low cost. As Simon HB9DRV points out, USB may be useful for dumping IF data for a spectrum analyzer, but I suspect that a baseband signal buffered from the IF itself would be better than digitizing it inside the K3. For smaller devices such as HT's, it might be nice to have the standard camera-sized USB connector some day, but a 4-pin mic jack cable with USB on the other end would do exactly the same job. The place USB is useful on other small devices such as my miniradiosolutions VNA, mostly because it provides power. But even on those devices, the transfer is still exactly serial, and RS232.The isochronous transfer mode isn't used, And the power is not very clean: the SoftRock folks abandoned USB power for just that reason. Just about every USB device that doesn't use isochronous or bulk data mode (I.e., except for video cameras, speakers, mics, and disks) is just a plain old 2-wire serial device. There are a small number of USB chips from FTDI and others and product designers pick one, pay a royalty and gett a device id, and then purchase a stock RS232/USB driver which is bound to that device id. So, on Windows you get Plug-and-Pray, hoping the manufacturer consents to keep providing their device-locked driver, when in fact, there is no real driver and all the driver-level communications is just RS232. As a consumer, you get the power convenience, and the recognition at plug-in time, but you pay royalty cost, and you pay in pain at driver install time, and you are out of luck when the next version of Windows comes out and your manufacturer is gone. For cost reasons, the device ID just isn't worth it on the small volumes we see on ham items. I can only suspect that the USB marketing board has done too good a job. Leigh/WA5ZNU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
Speaking of USB... In the news today...Wireless USB will help cut the cords - USAToday http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2007-08-07-wirelessusb_N.htm Regards, Dick - KA5KKT/4 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
The USB (Universal Serial Bus) Interface, is in fact a very modern high-speed interface. It actually operates at 3 speed levels, and as many data and control levels schemas. It has a Slow, Faster, and Hi-Speed protocol form. It can, or cannot, provide power to an external device - depending on what external device needs (PC mouse vs a large external disk drive, or complex printer) One can power an external USB device - off the USB port itself, or you can power an external device (ex -a storeage device) by itself. The USB Interface, allows PC system designers to finally plan for much higher-speed external new devices - with this modern 2007 data comms interface. RS-232C Serial - is approx. 50 years old this year (via TTY & paper tape days & old Bell Labs modems) A very clear USB primer can be found at: http://www.howstuffworks.com/usb6.htm Seems to me that a future version of the K3, should have it! Fred, N3CSY Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote: Heck, the K3 hasn't shipped and we're talking about the K4 already! That was the secret ordering option for K3 round 1if you missed the first batchm you could make a deposit to reserve a space in the K4 first run. 73 k3hrn www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] My email address has changed
Hi, I have changed my email provider. If you have me listed in your address book, please change the direct email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternates are my forwarding addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OT - FS: Icom IC-2100H 2 meter rig
I have one IC-2100H, 2 meter FM rig for sale. Rig is minus microphone (got run over by wife's car) and power cord (standard T type connector). Would make a good dedicated APRS radio for someone, or you could replace the microphone and use it as is. Rig is working and puts out 58 watts on high, 15 on medium and 5 on low power. Comes with original book and mounting bracket. I had it in my wife's car, but she picked up a new dual bander at a hamfest, so this one is surplus -- I didn't realize the mic had dropped on the garage floor when I removed the radio to install the new one and she ran over it when she backed out to go to work hi hi. Asking $85 shipped anywhere in the US I'll take money order or PayPal. Anyone interested - contact me off list please -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim - W0EB Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults!) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote: Heck, the K3 hasn't shipped and we're talking about the K4 already! Given the likely level of environmental concern in 2015, I think that the K4 should be solar powered and constructed of only recycled components! :) Ha! Once I haev my K2 working and it gets to be 2015, I'll definitely keep recycling its use with solar power. ;-) Will ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
On 8/8/07, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have no doubt that serial cards etc. will be available for a very long > time to come, it's a simple rock-solid solution. I would rather the K4 had > bluetooth or Ethernet than USB. > Heck, the K3 hasn't shipped and we're talking about the K4 already! Given the likely level of environmental concern in 2015, I think that the K4 should be solar powered and constructed of only recycled components! :) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
- Original Message - From: "Charles Allison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> While not offering high speed and not being suitable for transferring large amounts of information quickly, it can be superior to the USB in some ways - specifically - wired interfaces for distances longer than 10 or 20 feet. 200ft is easy (as you mention), and I don't see the need for USB speed with Elecraft's offerings except *maybe* the 2008 panoramic adapter - but this could easily use WiFi. I have no doubt that serial cards etc. will be available for a very long time to come, it's a simple rock-solid solution. I would rather the K4 had bluetooth or Ethernet than USB. Simon HB9DRV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2?
John, I think that is a very small fee per device or may be per some sort of assignment ID codes to be kept unique. Primarily the USB standards cater to the mass production market. Most of the options for a design expect thousands of units to be produced in a production run. The USB interface is a nasty little complicated thing and requires a large investment in study time to get familar with it. Also, there's no telling for just how long a time it will remain valid. It is a product of the modern PC age. The serial interface is slow and cumbersome and lacks many standards which tend to constrain things rather than help sometimes. It predates personal computers and to some extent, predates computers, going back to the days of the teletype. While not offering high speed and not being suitable for transferring large amounts of information quickly, it can be superior to the USB in some ways - specifically - wired interfaces for distances longer than 10 or 20 feet. For some 'secondary' hardware standards like RS485 instead of RS232, it can provide interfaces in excess of 1000 feet. Although USB style to RS232 interface devices may eventually become specialty products not found at the local computer store due to a lack of need from most users, they should remain around as specialty items. If RS232 is suitable for the job, then it might even be a safer bet than USB to use for a product that should be expected to be around for a decade or more rather than the typical life expectancy of 10 weeks for the usual computer junk. Most of my USB/serial ports were from the office supply place and labeled as USB interfaces for PDAs. I'm sure there are better suited ones for RF environments and probably cheaper ones too. But as long as USB survives, they should provide me with the ability to connect to real devices I need, such as radios, telescopes, TNCs, and gizmos that I can build and program PCs to operate without having to read several hundred pages of barf just to do something simple - like a dual azimuth antenna rotator controller. Such a homebrew project is impractical with USB, if not virtually impossible, with most options having development kits that would cost more than buying a commerical rotator in the first place. As for USB, it's the best thing that's happened to RS232 serial ports since willard gates succeeded in getting the native ones banned because now there's no seriously low limit as to how many you can stick on your PC and they are the size of a pigtail cable with a long connector housing on the end. What's more, they are finally well supported as serial port devices by the OS. best regards, Charles wb5izd Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:23:26 -0400 From: John Huggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Support - K3, K2? To: Richard Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not sure, but can point to one example that does include a USB "chip" in its design that takes care of the conversion from USB to serial. It is the WinKeyUSB interface from K1EL. It is quite possible the purchase of the chip might pay such fees indirectly. If it does the fees must be low as the cost of the kit is under $50. Richard Kent wrote: >I thought I heard or read that including an USB controller into a piece of >equipment requires one to pay a licensing fee to the organization that >maintains the USB definition. If this is true that could be why many devices >do not include USB compatibility. The cost may be too much for the number of >devices to be sold. Anyone know for sure?? > >Rick Kent WD8AJG > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] KX1?
Well, since the K3 is delayed, I have been fighting the idea of a KX1 to build to fill the pre K3 time. If I ever got good at the code, I would actually use it portable, as we go hiking a lot, and I like motorcycle camping. But I was thinking it might be good for when I am in the den and the wife is watching TV. I don't watch much TV (the news), and running a wire to the KX1 would allow me to tune in some CW for practice. Kind of crazy to spend all this money at Elecraft though, the K3 with most options is going to kill the wallet, but I do love their stuff so. The last NE602 rig I had (emtech) generated a LOT of hiss in the chips. Is the KX1 the same? The Emtech worked very well, but I got tired of listening to all that hiss over time. Funds wont allow me to get all the options, so I would start with the base radio and add the other bands and antenna tuner later. I know its better to do it all at once, but the total KX1 package is quite expensive. Anyone want to buy a new Yaesu VX-7R in black? Brett N2DTS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Advice concerning Update to K2
Colin, My recommendation is that you do *all* upgrades. You will not be disappointed with the performance when all is done. In addition to the changes listed in the K2 A to B instructions (do even the optional ones), add the keying waveshape change. put in a new set of IF crystals (7 for base K2 and 7 for SSB board). If you want to change the SSB filter width to the newer 2.4 or optional 2.6 kHz width, order the KSB2CAPKT. During the process, check the turns ratio on T7 and if it is not the newer 20:5 turns, change it. Those changes should produce a K2 that behaves like a new one. If there is nothing wrong with your K2 (it was a good performer in its original state), then you can just change the firmware and gain the new functions it adds, the older K2s are fully supported (BUT, sometimes the old sidetone source does not work reliably and you have to do that change - see the KIO2 or KPA100 manual Control board changes). If you choose to do any of the upgrades, I suggest that you go all the way with it while you have things apart. 73, Don W3FPR C WEAVING wrote: I am still fairly new to Ham radio. Last year I purchased an old K2 Seriel No. 638 with Firmware 1.04A and I/O 1.02. This rig is a basic model , CW only with the ATU. It suits me fine as low power CW is my main mode of operation. I have just purchased a firmware update to Rev. 2.04 and 1.09 on Ebay??? I have reviwed the Elecraft website for update info, and feel reasonably comfortable doing the updates, but erring on the side of caution---so little point in updates that improve ssb. Now what to do?? I have considered each of the following. 1. Do nothing---leave well alone. 2. Just add the Software updates. Is this useful on its own ? 3. Add software updates and minimal hardware updates that improve CW operation. 4. Add Sotware updates and Elecraft Kit to Update Rev A to Rev B. 5. As per 4 , but include any other useful updates. Others have been this way before, so hopefully there is an Elmer who can recommend a suitable approach. I have followed this forum for about 9 months and continue to be amazed at the help and encouragement postings produce. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Advice concerning Update to K2
I am still fairly new to Ham radio. Last year I purchased an old K2 Seriel No. 638 with Firmware 1.04A and I/O 1.02. This rig is a basic model , CW only with the ATU. It suits me fine as low power CW is my main mode of operation. I have just purchased a firmware update to Rev. 2.04 and 1.09 on Ebay??? I have reviwed the Elecraft website for update info, and feel reasonably comfortable doing the updates, but erring on the side of caution---so little point in updates that improve ssb. Now what to do?? I have considered each of the following. 1. Do nothing---leave well alone. 2. Just add the Software updates. Is this useful on its own ? 3. Add software updates and minimal hardware updates that improve CW operation. 4. Add Sotware updates and Elecraft Kit to Update Rev A to Rev B. 5. As per 4 , but include any other useful updates. Others have been this way before, so hopefully there is an Elmer who can recommend a suitable approach. I have followed this forum for about 9 months and continue to be amazed at the help and encouragement postings produce. Thank you. Colin M3WCK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com