RE: [Elecraft] K3 Bad Filters
That Elecraft is testing the filters now is a good thing! I remember a post from Elecraft a few months ago, that said that I should not use the 8.2M IF filters that were intended for Yaesu's FT1K because the filters for the Elecraft K3 were specially selected to get top performance. The recent messages of bad filters, 8-pole and 5-pole, seem to contradict that. Or do filters break down during transport? Anyway, awaiting my new K3 with several filters within a few weeks from now, I expect that my filters are thouroughly tested for flatness, good imd-performance and are handpicked for top performance As promised. Or is this an impossible, strange question? Then please say so. 73 Arie PA3A K2 36..something (BTW, I've got four 8.2M IF filters in my FT1K) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft Verzonden: zaterdag 21 juni 2008 5:00 Aan: David Robertson CC: Elecraft Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] Bad Filters We do now! Originally all 8 pole filters were supposed to be 100% tested at INRAD's supplier. When we discovered some bad ones had gotten through, we added 100% testing at Elecraft and at INRAD in Aptos. 73, Eric WA6HHQ _..._ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bad Filters
I find it difficult to believe that a filter will go bad between manufacturer and customer. Perhaps the odd one in 1000 might get past the manufacturer's test regime. Modern surface mount components and hybrids are very sturdy and no postal service could impart sufficient vibration or shock to these devices to cause damage, particularly as these are soft-packed to absorb shocks. It's even more improbable that it could change the performance by just a few dB that all but the best test equipment could reveal. I am not able to test that the filters I purchased are up to spec, but if there have been significant numbers of failures (and the extraordinary failure of one in a reviewer's sample), I'm coming to the conclusion that filters should be returned to be re-tested, since the recent history indicates a faulty test and / or manufacturing regime. INRAD is a well-respected manufacturer, so, for Elecraft to re-test their work (with all the calibration problems that engages) is a plus for our confidence in the final product but a distinct fear that those filters produced prior to this time are statistically more likely to have failures amongst them. Eric, is this something Elecraft could offer? David G3UNA That Elecraft is testing the filters now is a good thing! I remember a post from Elecraft a few months ago, that said that I should not use the 8.2M IF filters that were intended for Yaesu's FT1K because the filters for the Elecraft K3 were specially selected to get top performance. The recent messages of bad filters, 8-pole and 5-pole, seem to contradict that. Or do filters break down during transport? Anyway, awaiting my new K3 with several filters within a few weeks from now, I expect that my filters are thouroughly tested for flatness, good imd-performance and are handpicked for top performance As promised. Or is this an impossible, strange question? Then please say so. 73 Arie PA3A K2 36..something We do now! Originally all 8 pole filters were supposed to be 100% tested at INRAD's supplier. When we discovered some bad ones had gotten through, we added 100% testing at Elecraft and at INRAD in Aptos. 73, Eric WA6HHQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Audio artifacts
I hear what you are saying Lyle, and maybe I didn't explain myself clearly enough- what bothered me was that moving filter bandwidth from 2.7 to 2.8kHz and then back again completely stopped what I was perceiving as distortion. That is what made me wonder if it were something amiss somewhere. It's not there now anyway. 73 Stephen On 20/06/2008 22:02, Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the first time I've noticed this problem. I assume Lyle that you are not suggesting that it's a by-product of using the AFX, because I use AFX all the time and had not noticed it before. I don't have the settings for SPKR+PH _and_ SPKRS=1 on. AFX provides a delay between the two channels. If the channels are then summed, there will be peaks and nulls depending on the pitch. The same thing happens if you have two speakers in a room with hard walls and no draperies. It is not distortion, it is combining signals that are no longer in phase due to the intentionally introduced delay. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] How to get 100 watt amp enabled?
Bill Maddock-2 wrote: You are right I was on the wrong one, but found the PA NOR and turned off rig and back on - now it's allright - Ignorance is Bliss - I'm learning Yep, that one tripped me up, too. I didn't see the separate PA NOR during testing, and getting a bit myopic these days I didn't spot there were two different settings: PA NOR and PAIO NOR. So I had one of those heart sinking oh dear, it doesn't work moments. Possibly something that could be spelt out a bit more clearly in the otherwise admirably thorough installation instructions? - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com KComm for K2/K3: www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/How-to-get-100-watt-amp-enabled--tp18040530p18042428.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bad Filters
David Cutter wrote: I am not able to test that the filters I purchased are up to spec, but if there have been significant numbers of failures (and the extraordinary failure of one in a reviewer's sample), I'm coming to the conclusion that filters should be returned to be re-tested, since the recent history indicates a faulty test and / or manufacturing regime. INRAD is a well-respected manufacturer, so, for Elecraft to re-test their work (with all the calibration problems that engages) is a plus for our confidence in the final product but a distinct fear that those filters produced prior to this time are statistically more likely to have failures amongst them. Eric, is this something Elecraft could offer? David G3UNA If nothing is obviously wrong with the radio, I can't see the point of returning filters to Elecraft for testing, especially all the way from the UK (and at whose expense?) and being without a working radio for a couple of weeks, in all likelihood to prove that nothing is wrong with them. Normal component variations will account for slight differences in the performance of individual radios in any case. Some of us will have a radio that is at the low end of certain specification ranges, and others will have one at the high end. Some may have a slightly better performing receiver but a slightly worse performing transmitter, or vice versa. But I very much doubt if you could tell the difference between them if they were side by side, without the aid of a lab full of test equipment. These test results just encourage people to obsess over differences in performance that probably can not be discerned in actual on-air operation. As far as I am concerned, if my K3 seems OK to me then it *is* OK. - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com KComm for K2/K3: www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Bad-Filters-tp18040401p18042595.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bad Filters
Well, the radio seems ok, but there will be occasions, such as operating near to very strong in-band signals when it may perform less than satisfactorily and it is hard to identify what is happening. There may well be artefacts that are disturbing and only heard on odd occasions such as this and reduce the effectiveness of the radio in a contest for instance, and it is difficult to reproduce those conditions on the bench, ie multiple very strong signals near a weak one. I know someone who receives 55-60dB over 9 bc signals on 40m and the K3 probably cannot cope with this. I think the point about making standardised measurements is that they are standard, but most of the time you wouldn't notice if you were compliant or not. In days of old when assessing military radios returned for service, it was established that 60% failed the spec and were not reported by the operator for those failures. So, I think I would like to know that my radio is compliant with its spec then I can look elsewhere when a problem occurs. David G3UNA If nothing is obviously wrong with the radio, I can't see the point of returning filters to Elecraft for testing, especially all the way from the UK (and at whose expense?) and being without a working radio for a couple of weeks, in all likelihood to prove that nothing is wrong with them. Normal component variations will account for slight differences in the performance of individual radios in any case. Some of us will have a radio that is at the low end of certain specification ranges, and others will have one at the high end. Some may have a slightly better performing receiver but a slightly worse performing transmitter, or vice versa. But I very much doubt if you could tell the difference between them if they were side by side, without the aid of a lab full of test equipment. These test results just encourage people to obsess over differences in performance that probably can not be discerned in actual on-air operation. As far as I am concerned, if my K3 seems OK to me then it *is* OK. - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: AFX, NR, 5 khz tuning, 9 Khz Tuning, AGC SLP, et. al
All of these discussions seem to point out that there is need for operator control and knowlege to properly operate the radio. For some users, the sun may rise and set on AM, but others are using the radio for moon bounce, 160 m CW contesting, transverter, etc. And when a feature is implimented just for operator convenience, it may well limit the radio in some other unanticipated mode of operation. Who knows what the spacing of SWBC signals will be in 10 years. Who knows what new modes of digital communications will exist in 10 years. Who knows how we will be using radios and the internet together in 10 years. I vote for giving the operator control rather than giving the software control. It is part of the adventure of the hobby to own a piece of gear that is complex enough that it is a challenge to us to squeeze out the last ounce of performance. I vote for having thousands of permutations and combinations of features at my control. Ken K5WK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX, NR, 5 khz tuning, 9 Khz Tuning, AGC SLP, et. al
I vote for giving the operator control rather than giving the software control. It is part of the adventure of the hobby to own a piece of gear that is complex enough that it is a challenge to us to squeeze out the last ounce of performance. I vote for having thousands of permutations and combinations of features at my control. Ken K5WK Abolutely! This is a important part of reasons why so many operators have choosed K3. They are no doors closed, this is my main feeling about HW and flexible FW developmnet. And there is communication and service which is out of any (my) previous experince. 73! L. -dst- K3/10 #727 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AM feature request
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:42:37 +0100, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to have a 1 KHz tuning step for AM? Unless I missed something it seems the smallest AM coarse step is 5 KHz. 1 KHz would be a lot better for tuning around the SWBC bands; 5 is just too coarse. Thanks. Short wave broadcast stations are channelised with 5kHz channels; why would 1kHz steps be useful? The 5 khz tuning steps are awfully touchy, even at the lowest VFO rate (100 counts per turn). That's 500 Khz per only one turn of the knob-- practically a complete band. That is just too coarse for comfortable tuning. A little nudge and you've flown by 10 or 15 Khz. The tuning steps for AM don't make any practical sense. FINE gives you 1 and 10 Hz, COARSE takes a huge jump to 5 KHz. Shouldn't there be something between 10 Hz and 5 KHz? Seems like 100 Hz and/or 1 Khz should be in there somewhere. (Unless I've missed something here...) 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] What to do with my K3
Read the reviews and make a list of your own pros and cons. In addition to the usual transmitter and receiver performance items, include things like: * Cost of repair (modules vs. the whole rig being sent). * Company management involvement in reflector discussions, customer problems, and customer feature requests. * The overall quality of the design and support teams assembled by the company. * The sense of excitement expressed by people who were just waiting for their equipment to be shipped. * The ease and simplicity of uploading new software revisions. * Physical size and weight. * The predicted level of support that will be available years from now. I was honestly trying not to be biased towards the K3 but that's impossible at this point. (And, after all, this IS the Elecraft reflector). Joseph M. Durnal wrote: I was waiting and waiting for the K3 and ended up buying a Yaesu FT-2000D. The FT-2000D is a great rig, and I like it for sure. Now my new K3 arrived, but I can't really afford to keep both. I wonder if I could get it built before field day, if so, it would be a great time to test both rigs and see which I like better. I could probably get a small premium for it if I sold it I could probably sell the FT-2000D and get most of what I paid for it back. Decisions, Decisions. Comments from the peanut gallery? 73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/What-to-do-with-my-K3-tp18040691p18043708.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX, NR, 5 khz tuning, 9 Khz Tuning, AGC SLP, et. al
Kenneth Waites wrote: I vote for giving the operator control rather than giving the software control. It is part of the adventure of the hobby to own a piece of gear that is complex enough that it is a challenge to us to squeeze out the last ounce of performance. I vote for having thousands of permutations and combinations of features at my control. Having read the recent QST review of the Flex 5000 I can see that a lot of people agree with you. I, personally, don't. I prefer a piece of equipment or a software program that does its job extremely well but is simple to operate without a lot of configuration options. I, as the user, am willing to adapt to the program or equipment if necessary. This ultimate configurability has been the curse of Windows software development, and has resulted in bloatware like Microsoft Office that has so many options that I have often seen it cited that most users only know 20% of them. Some of the best software I ever used was DOS or early Windows software, and I could probably still do most of what I want to with it, if it was still possible to run it. In the same way, about the only thing wrong with the radios of 20 years ago was their performance, not their ergonomics. I do not want to see radios going the same way as computer software. Already we see on this reflector people asking if it is possible to do things the K3 can already do. Most people can't remember everything they read in the manual (even if they read it in the first place) and this is probably more true of radio hams than computer users in general since most of us are getting to the age when it isn't so easy to remember stuff. Now what was the point I was making...? :) - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com KComm for K2/K3: www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3%3A-AFX%2C-NR%2C-5-khz-tuning%2C-9-Khz-Tuning%2C-AGC-SLP%2C-et.-al-tp18043288p18043723.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bad Filters
While I agree with you David and Julian's point about shipping costs etc, I would suggest that in this case the fundamental questions are whether or not the filter's specification does include IIP3 minimum limits and what are they. Because, and understandably so, the dynamic range data published by the RSGB, ARRL and others reflects the preformance of the receiver as a whole and not of its filters as stand alone components, I have asked INRAD whether or not they do include IIP3 in their filter specifications or test for IIP3 as part of their QC. Multiple signal dynamic range testing is commonly practiced by some when developing high performance receivers, and can better unearth the sort of IMD problems that often arise during a contest or during a 'no-split' pile up than two signal tests. Many filters fall apart in terms of generated IMD when subjected to multiple signal tests, and I suspect that many people (I certainly used to!) think that the IMD products are real signals causing QRM. The problem gets significantly worse of course if the IF cascade's dynamic range is 'poor'. There is no doubt in my mind that if a receiver is expected to dig out weak signals among close spaced 60-65 db over S9 BC stations, every last db of close in dynamic range does help. BC transmitter phase noise is not the problem that one might expect it to be. 73, Geoff GM4ESD David Cutter wrote on Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:05 AM Well, the radio seems ok, but there will be occasions, such as operating near to very strong in-band signals when it may perform less than satisfactorily and it is hard to identify what is happening. There may well be artefacts that are disturbing and only heard on odd occasions such as this and reduce the effectiveness of the radio in a contest for instance, and it is difficult to reproduce those conditions on the bench, ie multiple very strong signals near a weak one. I know someone who receives 55-60dB over 9 bc signals on 40m and the K3 probably cannot cope with this. I think the point about making standardised measurements is that they are standard, but most of the time you wouldn't notice if you were compliant or not. In days of old when assessing military radios returned for service, it was established that 60% failed the spec and were not reported by the operator for those failures. So, I think I would like to know that my radio is compliant with its spec then I can look elsewhere when a problem occurs. David G3UNA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] What to do with my K3
Joseph M. Durnal wrote: I was waiting and waiting for the K3 and ended up buying a Yaesu FT-2000D. The FT-2000D is a great rig, and I like it for sure. Now my new K3 arrived, but I can't really afford to keep both. That was one of the factors that pushed me to get a factory built K3. I wanted to compare it against my current rig to make a final decision about which to keep and didn't want to have the build-time delay. It took me about 2 hours to decide the K3 stayed and the other rig went. The other rig was great, but it wasn't a K3. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AM feature request
Drew, Use the fine/coarse controls in conjunction with the RATE button. Tap the RATE button until the 100 Hz digit place blinks and that allows you to easily tune in 50 Hz steps which is 5 kHz per revolution with a 100 count setting. That is certainly good enough for me. It takes a lot of manual reading along with some experimenting with the K3 to discover all its flexibility - so for those who have not yet done so, 'Read The Fine Manual'. Fortunately, the default setting result in a quite workable radio, so it is usable after only skimming the manual, if you want more, a bit of study is required. 73, Don W3FPR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tuning steps for AM don't make any practical sense. FINE gives you 1 and 10 Hz, COARSE takes a huge jump to 5 KHz. Shouldn't there be something between 10 Hz and 5 KHz? Seems like 100 Hz and/or 1 Khz should be in there somewhere. (Unless I've missed something here...) 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K1 FS
I have a newly built K1 for sale. The serial number is 2528 and was built this spring. It has the back light option and the KAT1 auto tuner and will come with manuals and power cord. The radio passed all tests and meets all Elecraft specifications. Price for the rig is $475 shipped anywhere in the lower 48. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks Brent WB4X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AM feature request
Thanks, Don. That is a big improvement. I did suspect that I was missing something (and yes, I'm guilty of not having studied the manual enough). I notice that while in COARSE, tapping RATE drops you back into FINE. It might be nice if instead it switched to, say, 500 Hz steps. But the 50 Hz steps are quite comfortable for HF AM. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:48:27 -0400, Don W3FPR wrote: Drew, Use the fine/coarse controls in conjunction with the RATE button. Tap the RATE button until the 100 Hz digit place blinks and that allows you to easily tune in 50 Hz steps which is 5 kHz per revolution with a 100 count setting. That is certainly good enough for me. It takes a lot of manual reading along with some experimenting with the K3 to discover all its flexibility - so for those who have not yet done so, 'Read The Fine Manual'. Fortunately, the default setting result in a quite workable radio, so it is usable after only skimming the manual, if you want more, a bit of study is required. 73, Don W3FPR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tuning steps for AM don't make any practical sense. FINE gives you 1 and 10 Hz, COARSE takes a huge jump to 5 KHz. Shouldn't there be something between 10 Hz and 5 KHz? Seems like 100 Hz and/or 1 Khz should be in there somewhere. (Unless I've missed something here...) 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW
Just curious, has anyone found RX eq to be useful for CW? Just wondering what settings people like, if not flat. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: AFX, NR, 5 khz tuning, 9 Khz Tuning, AGC SLP, et. al
Julian, My cynicism is showing here, but I do believe that many people want all the 'bells and whistles' even if they will never use them. The result is that we end up with a radio or software that many complain about 'because it is too hard to use'. It is difficult to impossible for all but a certain few to learn and fully use all the functions of the K3 (or a complex software application), and only a very select few will ever have need of *all* the available functions. Fortunately, there are defaults that will work fine for the many many users who are only willing to put forth the effort required to utilize 10 or 20% of the total function - as has been stated about the MS Office users. It is to the credit of the developers that they have provided basic functions that many people can use to advantage. Using that other 80% of the total function requires in-depth study, and not all are willing to do that. - I know I don't, I have enough 'irons in the fire' that I am not willing to do that advanced study (and practice) until I really have a defined need for it. DOS and early Windows were quite straightforward and rigid in what could be done if one was using the command line and one had to have a good understanding of the internal workings to be able to fully use what those systems provided. In the meantime, specific applications made it easier for many users to interface with the computer - the operating system can be quite complex and difficult to learn, but the average user does not have to know its internal workings - they only need to know how to interface with the applications to do whatever work they need to have done. 73, Don W3FPR G4ILO wrote: Having read the recent QST review of the Flex 5000 I can see that a lot of people agree with you. I, personally, don't. I prefer a piece of equipment or a software program that does its job extremely well but is simple to operate without a lot of configuration options. I, as the user, am willing to adapt to the program or equipment if necessary. This ultimate configurability has been the curse of Windows software development, and has resulted in bloatware like Microsoft Office that has so many options that I have often seen it cited that most users only know 20% of them. Some of the best software I ever used was DOS or early Windows software, and I could probably still do most of what I want to with it, if it was still possible to run it. In the same way, about the only thing wrong with the radios of 20 years ago was their performance, not their ergonomics. I do not want to see radios going the same way as computer software. Already we see on this reflector people asking if it is possible to do things the K3 can already do. Most people can't remember everything they read in the manual (even if they read it in the first place) and this is probably more true of radio hams than computer users in general since most of us are getting to the age when it isn't so easy to remember stuff. Now what was the point I was making...? :) - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com KComm for K2/K3: www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 3:21 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW
Drew: I have my sidetone pitch set for 550 Hz. The RX EQ is adjusted so that the 400 HZ band (button 4) is at +2 and the others above that are all set for -16. This eliminated a lot of QRN and other band noise plus gives a slight peak near the IF center. Speaker choice will play a roll in this decision. 73 Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW Just curious, has anyone found RX eq to be useful for CW? Just wondering what settings people like, if not flat. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: 6/21/2008 9:27 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Ethernet to serial adapters
Hello, Anyone have any experience with Ethernet to serial adapters? Would it be possible to connect one to the K3 serial port? Manuel W4SSB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to serial adapters
On Jun 21, 2008, at 7:03 AM, Manuel Maseda wrote: Hello, Anyone have any experience with Ethernet to serial adapters? Would it be possible to connect one to the K3 serial port? Yes, but the problem you face is that there is no standard way to make that device look like a standard serial port to the OS running your logging or rig control software. Make sure that the ethernet-to-serial adaptor comes with an OS-specific driver that then looks like a standard serial port to any programs running on the computer. Many of these devices are intended to accept only a TELNET or SSH connection. Some EtS device work as a virtual serial cable with one device attached to the serial port on your computer and another attached to the serial port on the controlled device (K3 in this case). That does allow you to control something over a long distance. This approach seems to work pretty well and I have used this when controlling devices that have a specific communications protocol. I have experimented with bluetooth adaptors which are much better supported in the various OS's as serial devices. Even so I have experienced mixed results. I have found that, in all my test cases, I could not change the baud rate under program control and had to use manual settings. Likewise I couldn't get the control lines, i.e. RTS and DTR, to change under program control. So you are going to have to try various devices to see if they will work. Don't expect perfection. -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to serial adapters
At work I have used and recommend to customers the Extron adaptors, such as this single-port model: http://www.extron.com/product/printable.aspx?id=iplts1 It offers a TCP port through which the serial stream can be tunneled. The built in webserver allows the thing to be configured using a web browser. There's a whole family of them with differing numbers of ports. All well and good, but your control application (whatever it is) need to be network aware, capable of acting as a TCP client etc. I incorporated support for the Extron IP Link family directly into the control panel software for our products, but have no idea whether or not common PC based ham radio control programs support this kind of connectivity - I don't use them, I get enough of all that at work. Bob NW8L On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Manuel Maseda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Anyone have any experience with Ethernet to serial adapters? Would it be possible to connect one to the K3 serial port? Manuel W4SSB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to serial adapters
Manuel Maseda wrote: ... Anyone have any experience with Ethernet to serial adapters? Would it be possible to connect one to the K3 serial port? Lantronix and other manufacturers make some very nice Ethernet-to-serial modules. My experience developing firmware for a security system controller has shown that the XPort (wired) and WiPort (wireless) versions of the Lantronix modules are very reliable and easy to work with. They are designed to be soldered onto a circuit board, are RoHS compliant, and are available from Mouser. The XPort costs about $50-$60 and the WiPort about twice that amount. The K3 RS-232 port limits the RX/TX speed to 38,400 bps, which is fast enough for our purposes. These modules are highly configurable and have built-in Web server support. They can be configured via the Web interface or via telnet. Up to 256-bit AES encryption is supported on some versions of these modules. The modules need regulated 3.3v power and have CMOS/TTL level interface line on the backside (serial) terminals. A level converter (e.g., MAX232) would be needed to interface with the K3's RS-232 port if the module is attached externally, requiring a source of 5v power. (If you're thinking of making a modification that is internal to the K3, the module can interface directly to the PIC microcontroller at up to the PIC-imposed limit of 115,200 bps, but that would require considerable hardware hacking. Maybe Wayne can put this on the wish list for a K3A or K4 product.) Gus Hansen KB0YH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] What to do with my K3
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:34:56 -0400, Joseph M. Durnal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was waiting and waiting for the K3 and ended up buying a Yaesu FT-2000D. The FT-2000D is a great rig, and I like it for sure. Now my new K3 arrived, but I can't really afford to keep both. I wonder if I could get it built before field day, if so, it would be a great time to test both rigs and see which I like better. I could probably get a small premium for it if I sold it I could probably sell the FT-2000D and get most of what I paid for it back. Decisions, Decisions. Comments from the peanut gallery? 73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R ___ [snip] Don't forget that if you keep the K3 you will have the latest updates in software and hardware available to you constantly for the life of the rig. See if you can get Yaesu (or whatever their name is this year) to do that for you. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Ethernet to serial adapters
Eltima's Serial to Ethernet Communications software library http://www.eltima.com/products/serial-over-ethernet/ allows mapping an Ethernet to serial adapter to a virtual port on a local computer. There may be similar products ... I have not looked for them. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Cunnings Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:31 AM To: Manuel Maseda Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to serial adapters At work I have used and recommend to customers the Extron adaptors, such as this single-port model: http://www.extron.com/product/printable.aspx?id=iplts1 It offers a TCP port through which the serial stream can be tunneled. The built in webserver allows the thing to be configured using a web browser. There's a whole family of them with differing numbers of ports. All well and good, but your control application (whatever it is) need to be network aware, capable of acting as a TCP client etc. I incorporated support for the Extron IP Link family directly into the control panel software for our products, but have no idea whether or not common PC based ham radio control programs support this kind of connectivity - I don't use them, I get enough of all that at work. Bob NW8L On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Manuel Maseda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Anyone have any experience with Ethernet to serial adapters? Would it be possible to connect one to the K3 serial port? Manuel W4SSB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 trade http://www.radions.net/trade.htm
Trade your Bare Bones (No amp, no SSB, no Noise Blanker, No 160, etc No Nothing) Your 10W 80-10Mtr CW only rig for my Alinco 100W 160-6M AM FM SSB CW rig http://www.radions.net/trade.htm Tel: . . . 707-832-4304 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 noise reduction
Lyle, You mention setting Rx equalization to flat for data modes. I set up RxEQ to make the waterfall uniform, flattening the slight residual spectrum colorization left over from roofing filter not quite being flat. It appears to work okay but now I wonder if I am helping or hurting the data decoding situation. It sure makes the waterfall look uniform. If what you say is true, it would be nice to have mode specific RxEQ and TxEQ, different for the wider band modes anyway = AM/FM/USB/LSB/Data/Data Reverse. I need a sticky note to record the different settings to flatten the background noise the way we are now. If the K3 Utility were modified to make EQ easy to change (like the Filter Configuration Utility) it would be almost as useful and save K3 memory. Mike Scott - AE6WA Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA) K3-100 #508/ KX1 #1311 - In data mode, the intent is to have as pure a signal as possible, so AN and NR are not available. RxEQ should be set to flat, and if using DATA A mode then TxEQ should also be set to flat. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K1 FS
I'm sorry for ommitting this info in my original post...the K1 I have for sale covers the 40, 30,20, and 15 meter bands and the VFO covers the lower 80khz of each band. Brent WB4X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Watsonville Fire
I hope that none of the Elecrafters have been adversely affected by the Watsonville fire! Doug W6JD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Watsonville Fire
I live nearby (in Santa Cruz), from what I have heard, the fire is fairly close to Elecraft HQ, but on the other side of the freeway (Elecraft is on the ocean side of the freeway)...but I haven't heard about people's homes, I hope and pray everyone is ok. Jeff N6GQ On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope that none of the Elecrafters have been adversely affected by the Watsonville fire! Doug W6JD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] What to do with my K3
Suggestions are pouring in. I'm surprised nobody has offered to buy it from me right away. Most folks think I should build it and and use it for field day and once I do that, I won't want to sell it! So building has started. I can't find my dummy load, I think I lent it out but I can't remember to who. So, at some point I'll have to find one of those. Other than that, how long should it take? 73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Tom Childers, N5GE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:34:56 -0400, Joseph M. Durnal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was waiting and waiting for the K3 and ended up buying a Yaesu FT-2000D. The FT-2000D is a great rig, and I like it for sure. Now my new K3 arrived, but I can't really afford to keep both. I wonder if I could get it built before field day, if so, it would be a great time to test both rigs and see which I like better. I could probably get a small premium for it if I sold it I could probably sell the FT-2000D and get most of what I paid for it back. Decisions, Decisions. Comments from the peanut gallery? 73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R ___ [snip] Don't forget that if you keep the K3 you will have the latest updates in software and hardware available to you constantly for the life of the rig. See if you can get Yaesu (or whatever their name is this year) to do that for you. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 #811 Locked Up
Guess it's my turn to have a problem. Rig here is K3 #811. Options are KAT3, KXV3, KBPF3, 400 Hz 8 pole xfil. My problem is that at turn-on I have every icon on the LCD display on simultaneously, almost like an LCD display test. Rig doesn't respond to any commands. Tried connecting to the K3 Utility, and it says, Cannot communicate with K3. I've checked both serial ports, so that doesn't appear to be the problem. I've tried recycling power several times with no luck. What can I do to break it out of this? I've queried Tom Hammond, N0SS, but being the weekend, don't know how long it will be before he can reply. So thought I'd query the E'craft brain trust :-) Thanks and 73 Bob N6WG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] What to do with my K3
Joseph I built mine in 5 hours to the 10 Watt stage, another hour for alignment/checking/firmware updating. The following day adding the 100W PA took another hour to install and just a few minutes to align. The only tricky part for me was matching the front panel board with four plugs/sockets. Mine at first build included ATU, PA, additional filter and optional TCXO. Other than an anti-static mat and wrist strap and that 50 Ohm load (any that are good to 50 MHz and will stand 50 Watts for a minute or two will be OK0, you also need a multi-meter to check for shorts as you assemble boards. I think you will like the performance of the K3, especially the TX audio quality on SSB (I use a Kenwood MC-43S mic and it sounds really good) and of course the receiver which is some 30 dB greater dynamic range than an FT2000 at 2 KHz signal spacing. 73 Dave, G4AON k3/100 #80 http://www.astromag.co.uk/k3/ - Other than that, how long should it take? 73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] What to do with my K3
Most builders need 8 to 10 hours (wich you can find on Elecrafts website by the way ;-)). 73, Maarten PD2R 2008/6/21 Joseph M. Durnal [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Suggestions are pouring in. I'm surprised nobody has offered to buy it from me right away. Most folks think I should build it and and use it for field day and once I do that, I won't want to sell it! So building has started. I can't find my dummy load, I think I lent it out but I can't remember to who. So, at some point I'll have to find one of those. Other than that, how long should it take? 73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Tom Childers, N5GE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:34:56 -0400, Joseph M. Durnal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was waiting and waiting for the K3 and ended up buying a Yaesu FT-2000D. The FT-2000D is a great rig, and I like it for sure. Now my new K3 arrived, but I can't really afford to keep both. I wonder if I could get it built before field day, if so, it would be a great time to test both rigs and see which I like better. I could probably get a small premium for it if I sold it I could probably sell the FT-2000D and get most of what I paid for it back. Decisions, Decisions. Comments from the peanut gallery? 73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R ___ [snip] Don't forget that if you keep the K3 you will have the latest updates in software and hardware available to you constantly for the life of the rig. See if you can get Yaesu (or whatever their name is this year) to do that for you. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 #811 Locked Up
Robert Tellefsen wrote: Guess it's my turn to have a problem. Rig here is K3 #811. Options are KAT3, KXV3, KBPF3, 400 Hz 8 pole xfil. My problem is that at turn-on I have every icon on the LCD display on simultaneously, almost like an LCD display test. Rig doesn't respond to any commands. Tried connecting to the K3 Utility, and it says, Cannot communicate with K3. I've checked both serial ports, so that doesn't appear to be the problem. I've tried recycling power several times with no luck. What can I do to break it out of this? Try rebooting the computer with the K3 off. Then power on the K3. If that doesn't work, try EE INIT on page 55 of the manual. Here are a couple of additional points I discovered when I did this once (submitted to Elecraft but not sure it's in the current docs): ** 1. 4th bullet from bottom of p 55 When EE INIT completes... I found it necessary to PWR OFF and ON my K3 to continue the process. 2. 3rd bullet from bottom If you have a computer... My K3 Utility had to be closed and reopened to remove an error on the Config page (something like colon missing at bottom of Utility Config window) which was preventing me from checking Filter Configuration to see if Restore got all the settings correct (...it did). ** I also hope you've recently done a Config Save...otherwise you may need to go through all the Cal procedures in the manual. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3--811-Locked-Up-tp18046875p18047105.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Circuit Board Traces
Here's a question for experienced ex-K2 types who have done Elecraft-approved mods involving replacement of SMTs on the main circuit board of the K3: Can I expect working with the K3 boards to be similar to working with the K2 circuit boards so far as lifting or damage to traces are concerned? Or are the traces smaller/lighter/thinner/more fragile on the K3 than on the K2 and accordingly require much greater caution? I've watched a good training video for working with SMTs but my concern is with the board and not with the process. Even after nearly 48 years of kit-building including two all-up K2/100s, I'm still intimidated by the thought of those danged SMTs and can't decide whether or not I want to take 'em on. 73, Gary, VE1RGB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Saving settings
In this situation where someone changes a setting and it may be unknown to the owner, I was wondering if there is the capability of saving a set of settings in file to be reinstalled to get it back to the way is was, after field day for example or for some specific setup that was working before I went and messed it up and don't know exactly what it was that I did to it that that is causing the problem that I now have. Awaiting mine, Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP - Original Message - From: charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 noise reduction --- snip Someone must have switched off the AGC at the Radio Club and I hadn't noticed ! --- snip ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 #811 Locked Up
Thanks Bill. I'll give these a try. 73, Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 #811 Locked Up Robert Tellefsen wrote: Guess it's my turn to have a problem. Rig here is K3 #811. Options are KAT3, KXV3, KBPF3, 400 Hz 8 pole xfil. My problem is that at turn-on I have every icon on the LCD display on simultaneously, almost like an LCD display test. Rig doesn't respond to any commands. Tried connecting to the K3 Utility, and it says, Cannot communicate with K3. I've checked both serial ports, so that doesn't appear to be the problem. I've tried recycling power several times with no luck. What can I do to break it out of this? Try rebooting the computer with the K3 off. Then power on the K3. If that doesn't work, try EE INIT on page 55 of the manual. Here are a couple of additional points I discovered when I did this once (submitted to Elecraft but not sure it's in the current docs): ** 1. 4th bullet from bottom of p 55 When EE INIT completes... I found it necessary to PWR OFF and ON my K3 to continue the process. 2. 3rd bullet from bottom If you have a computer... My K3 Utility had to be closed and reopened to remove an error on the Config page (something like colon missing at bottom of Utility Config window) which was preventing me from checking Filter Configuration to see if Restore got all the settings correct (...it did). ** I also hope you've recently done a Config Save...otherwise you may need to go through all the Cal procedures in the manual. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3--811-Locked-Up-tp18046875p18047105.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Circuit Board Traces
I've watched a good training video for working with SMTs but my concern is with the board and not with the process. Even after nearly 48 years of kit-building including two all-up K2/100s, I'm still intimidated by the thought of those danged SMTs and can't decide whether or not I want to take 'em on. Soldering SMT is easier than soldering through-hole. I have now done several SMT boards and I love it. I have even taught the kids at school (we are building several softrock boards) and they like it better too. (We are talking 11-year-olds here.) We have used both the hot-air and bake it in a toaster oven techniques to solder the boards. No problem either way. You will want a good magnifier with plenty of light, tweezers, solder paste, and either a hot-air gun or a toaster oven. Apply the paste with a syringe. Pre-loaded syringes are available from Cash Olson. Here is his web site with materials and techniques: http://www.zianet.com/erg/SMT_Soldering.html I did try soldering the devices using a fine-tip soldering iron. It is *MUCH* more difficult than using solder paste with hot air or a toaster oven. (You use a toaster oven because it will heat up faster than a regular oven. You preheat the board to about 90C and then crank it up to about 250C and watch for the solder paste to turn to solder and flow out.) -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Note To Self
When building an Elecraft kit, even one as simple as the W1 Wattmeter and SWR Bridge, R E A D T H E I N S T R U C T I O N S C A R E F U L L Y! That is all, you may go back to your regularly scheduled QSOs now. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 BFO Pitch Increment Request
Currently the BFO pitch is adjustable in 50 Hz increments. Could this please be changed to a minimum of every 10 Hz? I think most cw ops will agree that 10 Hz increments would add worthwhile flexibility. I think this was discussed some months ago, but I never saw that it had been resolved. 73, Norm - W1MO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW
Steve, Thanks for this insight. Can the RX EQ be saved per mode, that is, one for SSB and one for CW? Thanks and 73, Bud N7CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n4lq Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 6:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW Drew: I have my sidetone pitch set for 550 Hz. The RX EQ is adjusted so that the 400 HZ band (button 4) is at +2 and the others above that are all set for -16. This eliminated a lot of QRN and other band noise plus gives a slight peak near the IF center. Speaker choice will play a roll in this decision. 73 Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW Just curious, has anyone found RX eq to be useful for CW? Just wondering what settings people like, if not flat. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: 6/21/2008 9:27 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 BFO Pitch Increment Request
I would also hope the PBT could be adjustable in 10 hz increments while in CW mode. Gary W7TEA Norm Duxbury wrote: Currently the BFO pitch is adjustable in 50 Hz increments. Could this please be changed to a minimum of every 10 Hz? I think most cw ops will agree that 10 Hz increments would add worthwhile flexibility. I think this was discussed some months ago, but I never saw that it had been resolved. 73, Norm - W1MO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-BFO-Pitch-Increment-Request-tp18049324p18049387.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW
Bud Nope. When you change from CW to SSB you'll have to redo those EQ settings. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bud Semon N7CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW Steve, Thanks for this insight. Can the RX EQ be saved per mode, that is, one for SSB and one for CW? Thanks and 73, Bud N7CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n4lq Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 6:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW Drew: I have my sidetone pitch set for 550 Hz. The RX EQ is adjusted so that the 400 HZ band (button 4) is at +2 and the others above that are all set for -16. This eliminated a lot of QRN and other band noise plus gives a slight peak near the IF center. Speaker choice will play a roll in this decision. 73 Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX eq for CW Just curious, has anyone found RX eq to be useful for CW? Just wondering what settings people like, if not flat. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: 6/21/2008 9:27 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1512 - Release Date: 6/21/2008 9:27 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Good Evening, Summer is in Oregon both de facto and de jure. Weather is very nice today and has been for a day or two. I tried twenty meters a few times during the week. Yuck! Not good. I was able to make a few short contacts but conditions were very tough. I was not able to copy very well for more than a few words at a time. Noise was very high. Solar activity was enough to keep the band noisy. Currently I am listening to forty meters. It has its normal storm related QRN but is good enough to allow contacts. There is an RTTY contest going on right now. I should try that mode one day but the sound card modes require a computer; it is like a busman's holiday for me! The Doug fir and hemlock are putting on very good growth right now. I expect to see some of the larger animals coming through the yard to eat the nice soft growth. I have not seen a deer since I saw the doe with her two fawns. I have not seen an elk in a few years now. Even the coyotes are not making any noise lately. With the full moon they should have been yipping their heads off. I wonder where everyone went? There is some logging going on but it is not very heavy. In fact some of it is on the edge of my property. They clearcut a few years ago but left a buffer zone along the edge of my woodlot. Now they are clearing the acre or two of trees. At first I could not figure out what the whumping sound was which awoke me each morning. After checking the roof and the outbuildings I saw loggers parked in one of my roads. Then the whumping sounds made sense. Who needs an alarm clock when tons worth of trees are falling around the place? Luckily they wait until 7 AM to start felling them :) Not your normal logger's hours! Please join us tomorrow evening. 1) Hail signs (first letter or two of the suffix of your call) 2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP relay help) Sunday 2300z (Sunday 4 PM PDT) 14050 kHz Monday 0200z (Sunday 7 PM PDT) 7045 kHz Stay well, Kevin. KD5ONS ecn.visionseer.com - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Linux Update Util
Noticing that the linux update app doesn't seem to be able to communicate with the FTP server. Has no issue downloding the config out of the radio and seeing what versions its running but can't seem to get the updates... Anyone else having this issue or is it only temporary? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Erase Memories
Is there a way to erase a memory back to the default NULL state? If not is there a way to erase them all w/o having to re-cal the rig? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] 3rd Party K3 Compatibility Question
Please help me with an upcoming article on the K3 in NCJ. I want to mention some of the third party products that offer explicit support for the K3. I know about HRD, WinTest, N1MM, Top Ten decoder and DXD cables, microHAM Router software and cables and Elecraft products like KRC2 and XVnnn. What else? Thanks 73, /Rick N6XI ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] 3rd Party K3 Compatibility Question
USInterface.com's Navigator. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Rick Tavan N6XI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please help me with an upcoming article on the K3 in NCJ. I want to mention some of the third party products that offer explicit support for the K3. I know about HRD, WinTest, N1MM, Top Ten decoder and DXD cables, microHAM Router software and cables and Elecraft products like KRC2 and XVnnn. What else? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
