Re: [Elecraft] FCC exams

[Edward R Cole]

I took my first FCC exam in 1960 for the General (and did not pass 
the CW exam).  This was in Detroit in an old office building with 
austere gov't issue "everything", including the examiners.  The CW 
test was the old five random character test of which 1-minute must be 
perfect copy.

Many years later (1982) I re-took the General exam at the FCC office 
in Anchorage, AK.  This time the CW test was ten multiple choice 
questions about the clear-text CW that was sent.  One only needed to 
pass 7 questions.  I passed.  I took the Advanced a month later with 
ease (I had passed the Second Class Radiotelephone in 1971 so the 
General was easy).

In 2000 I took my Extra before my local VE and it was only the 
written test as they had lowered the CW requirement to 13wpm.  I joke 
that I have "the Slow-Code Extra".

The FCC examining was definitely harder in my estimation.  There are 
better technical questions on the newer exams, though.  The Second 
Class was technically way above extra.  Glad I took it when questions 
were still about vacuum tubes.

73, Ed - KL7UW
1958 Novice - KN8MWA
1959 Technician - K8MWA
1971 2nd Class Radiotelephone
1981 Radar Endorsement
1982 General, Advanced - AL7EB
2000 Extra - KL7UW

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[Elecraft] K3 RF feedback

[Georges Ringotte F6DFZ]

Hi to the group

Just to report a problem I had very recently.

My K3 is used with a Turner +3 microphone and had been working very fine since 
the beginning.

Yesterday, barefoot at 90 W or at 350 W with my PA, I had very bad modulation 
reports on 40 m.
I switched on the monitor, and indeed modulation was extremely bad. But it was 
not permanent, only from time to time.

Gary suggested RF feedback with eventually a problem from the power supply.

I checked this reflector and found Pin 1 problem syndrome.

On mine, shielded mike cable was connected to Pins 1/7, ant PTT to Pins 2/8.

I modified the Turner +3 to have the PTT ground internally connected to the 
mike case and mike cable shield.

Inside the K3 mike plug, I disconnected the PTT ground from Pin 8, which became 
free.

This seems to solve the problem.

Thank you for the Elecraft support team, and also for the fine advice on this 
reflector.

Best regards

Georges F6DFZ
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[Elecraft] XG2 IN W8FGU Enclosure (reduced)

[NZ8J]

Looks and works perfect. $65 shipped paypal or money order. Just bought a XG3. 
Contact me off list.
Thanks
Tim
NZ8J
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] lack of sensitivity...?

[Andrew Moore]

Gil - ATU on the K1 shouldn't make a difference.

Only thing that comes to mind other than proper alignment is it sounds like
a problem I had during construction of my K2.  Post follows:



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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:22:31 -0400
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
From: Andrew Moore 
Subject: [Elecraft] 40m low sig: problem solved

Thanks for all the responses to my troubleshooting questions.

Further tracing brought me to C6 (4.7 pF) at the back edge of the board,
which the manual states should be installed across the two outer pins of
the three-pin jumper block.  I interpreted "two outer" to mean the two
adjacent pins near the "outer" side of the board edge -- i.e. in the
direction of the side panel instead of the center of the edge.

40 meters is incredibly noisy at my location right now, so I still hear no
signals, but the noise level has com'll assume I'm in good shape now --
will listen to some real signals tonight.  I've never been so happy to hear
noise on the band!

Thanks N0SS for the terrific lesson in quick and dirty signal tracing.

--Andrew, NV1B
CFO 963



On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:03 AM, Gil G.  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I knew this title would grab some attention ;-)
>
> Well, since my K1 worked so well, I decided to build a K2.
> It took me 30 hours over three days. Everything works, but…
>
> First, the receiver is pretty deaf on 20m. Not much static at all, faint
> signals.
> I plugged in my K1 on the same wire, and what I could barely hear on 20m
> on the K2 came in full blast on the K1.
> The preamp helps a little, but not much.
> On 40m, the score is closer, but still advantage to the K1 over the K2
> with preamp on.
> I can use FL1 and FL2, but with 3, the signal is very attenuated, with 4
> (200Hz), usually gone.
> The other bands, I haven't listened enough yet to make a diagnosis… I can
> hear more static than on 20m.
> I have set the filters as indicated in the manual.
>
> The K1 has the ATU, would that make such a difference?
> I use a 35.5ft wire with 13ft counterpoise, directly out the BNC via a
> binding post.
>
> By the way, I do get full output power on the K2 on all bands.
> I precisely peaked all bands on receive, then on transmit with my QRP
> wattmeter.
>
> Any advise?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Gil.
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] lack of sensitivity...?

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

Hello Gil,

The ATU in your K1 could be making the difference.  It will or should 
transform the impedance presented by the 33.5 ft wire and 13 ft counterpoise 
to 50 ohms resistive, which is the source impedance which the K1's receiver 
likes to see.  The K2's receiver would also like to see a 50 ohm resistive 
source, but without an ATU it will see whatever source impedance is 
presented by the wire and counterpoise.

On 20m the wire and counterpoise would be seen by the K2's receiver as a 
fairly high impedance source, 2000 ohms or more resistive with some 
inductance in series.  On 40m, and depending on how you have the wire and 
counterpoise deployed and the effects of nearby objects, the receiver could 
be seeing a source whose resistive part is 20 ohms or less with some 
capacitance in series.  These are rough values simply to illustrate one 
possible reason why your K2 is deaf on 20m, and not quite as deaf on 40m.


If possible bypass the ATU in the KX1, and then make a comparison between 
your K1 and K2.  If your K1 becomes deaf as well, then buy an Elecraft ATU 
for your K2.  If buying an ATU is not an option, it is not difficult to 
homebrew a L Network for use as an ATU.  If you do decide to homebrew a L 
network, I suggest that the coil be solenoid wound rather than wound on a 
toroidal core.

73,

Geoff
LX2AO


On August 30, 2012 at 8:03 AM, "Gil G."  wrote:



> Hello,

> I knew this title would grab some attention ;-)

> Well, since my K1 worked so well, I decided to build a K2.
> It took me 30 hours over three days. Everything works, but…

> First, the receiver is pretty deaf on 20m. Not much static at all, faint 
> signals.
> I plugged in my K1 on the same wire, and what I could barely hear on 20m 
> on the K2 came in full blast on the K1.
> The preamp helps a little, but not much.
> On 40m, the score is closer, but still advantage to the K1 over the K2 
> with preamp on.
> I can use FL1 and FL2, but with 3, the signal is very attenuated, with 4 
> (200Hz), usually gone.
> The other bands, I haven't listened enough yet to make a diagnosis… I can 
> hear more static than on 20m.
> I have set the filters as indicated in the manual.

> The K1 has the ATU, would that make such a difference?
> I use a 35.5ft wire with 13ft counterpoise, directly out the BNC via a 
> binding post.

> By the way, I do get full output power on the K2 on all bands.
> I precisely peaked all bands on receive, then on transmit with my QRP 
> wattmeter.

> Any advise?

> Thanks!

> Gil.

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] lack of sensitivity...?

[Andrew Moore]

Clarification - when I said the K1 ATU wouldn't make a difference, I mean
"just as an installed option" and wasn't considering it actually inline at
the time

--Andrew


On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:

> Hello Gil,
>
> The ATU in your K1 could be making the difference.  It will or should
> transform the impedance presented by the 33.5 ft wire and 13 ft
> counterpoise
> to 50 ohms resistive, which is the source impedance which the K1's receiver
> likes to see.  The K2's receiver would also like to see a 50 ohm resistive
> source, but without an ATU it will see whatever source impedance is
> presented by the wire and counterpoise.
>
> On 20m the wire and counterpoise would be seen by the K2's receiver as a
> fairly high impedance source, 2000 ohms or more resistive with some
> inductance in series.  On 40m, and depending on how you have the wire and
> counterpoise deployed and the effects of nearby objects, the receiver could
> be seeing a source whose resistive part is 20 ohms or less with some
> capacitance in series.  These are rough values simply to illustrate one
> possible reason why your K2 is deaf on 20m, and not quite as deaf on 40m.
>
>
> If possible bypass the ATU in the KX1, and then make a comparison between
> your K1 and K2.  If your K1 becomes deaf as well, then buy an Elecraft ATU
> for your K2.  If buying an ATU is not an option, it is not difficult to
> homebrew a L Network for use as an ATU.  If you do decide to homebrew a L
> network, I suggest that the coil be solenoid wound rather than wound on a
> toroidal core.
>
> 73,
>
> Geoff
> LX2AO
>
>
> On August 30, 2012 at 8:03 AM, "Gil G."  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello,
>
> > I knew this title would grab some attention ;-)
>
> > Well, since my K1 worked so well, I decided to build a K2.
> > It took me 30 hours over three days. Everything works, but…
>
> > First, the receiver is pretty deaf on 20m. Not much static at all, faint
> > signals.
> > I plugged in my K1 on the same wire, and what I could barely hear on 20m
> > on the K2 came in full blast on the K1.
> > The preamp helps a little, but not much.
> > On 40m, the score is closer, but still advantage to the K1 over the K2
> > with preamp on.
> > I can use FL1 and FL2, but with 3, the signal is very attenuated, with 4
> > (200Hz), usually gone.
> > The other bands, I haven't listened enough yet to make a diagnosis… I can
> > hear more static than on 20m.
> > I have set the filters as indicated in the manual.
>
> > The K1 has the ATU, would that make such a difference?
> > I use a 35.5ft wire with 13ft counterpoise, directly out the BNC via a
> > binding post.
>
> > By the way, I do get full output power on the K2 on all bands.
> > I precisely peaked all bands on receive, then on transmit with my QRP
> > wattmeter.
>
> > Any advise?
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > Gil.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] lack of sensitivity...?

[Don Wilhelm]

Gil,

It is difficult to make a definite answer without some additional data.  
Yes, the atu in the K1 could make some difference, but not an extreme 
difference on receive.

The most likely guess is that you missed a solder connection somewhere 
in the receive section of the K2.  Go over the board with a suspicious 
eye.  The receive portion of the K2 is between the MCIO IC (in the 
middle of the board) and the front panel.

The fact that you have full transmit power on all bands says that the 
problem is *not* in the bandpass filter nor the Low Pass filter.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/30/2012 2:03 AM, Gil G. wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I knew this title would grab some attention ;-)
>
> Well, since my K1 worked so well, I decided to build a K2.
> It took me 30 hours over three days. Everything works, but…
>
> First, the receiver is pretty deaf on 20m. Not much static at all, faint 
> signals.
> I plugged in my K1 on the same wire, and what I could barely hear on 20m on 
> the K2 came in full blast on the K1.
> The preamp helps a little, but not much.
> On 40m, the score is closer, but still advantage to the K1 over the K2 with 
> preamp on.
> I can use FL1 and FL2, but with 3, the signal is very attenuated, with 4 
> (200Hz), usually gone.
> The other bands, I haven't listened enough yet to make a diagnosis… I can 
> hear more static than on 20m.
> I have set the filters as indicated in the manual.
>
> The K1 has the ATU, would that make such a difference?
> I use a 35.5ft wire with 13ft counterpoise, directly out the BNC via a 
> binding post.
>
> By the way, I do get full output power on the K2 on all bands.
> I precisely peaked all bands on receive, then on transmit with my QRP 
> wattmeter.
>
>

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[Elecraft] KAT500 - Shipping Info

[rich kennedy]

Have the KAT500 units started shipping?  Any updates appreciated.
73, Rich, K3VAT
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[Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter

[Mike Rodgers]

Is it possible to make the s meter unaffected by rf gain. I suppose it's not. 

73
Mike R

Play me some fiddle, but no stinkin' violin!

Amateur/Ham Radio KE5GBC
HF & Echolink mobile
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Re: [Elecraft] Use of wireless keyboard with P3/SVGA

[Terry Schieler]

I also use the Logitech 360, Bob, and have had perfect results.  I was not 
pointed to that model by anyone, just saw it in the local big box store and 
brought it home.  My P3 loves it too!

Terry, W0FM



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From: Bob [mailto:wb4...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:16 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Use of wireless keyboard with P3/SVGA

At the Boxboro Hamfest, Elecraft was demonstrating a P3/SVGA with the latest 
Beta firmware.  They were using a wireless keyboard which plugged into the USB 
connector on the back of the P3 -- it was working flawlessly (including macros 
that allowed the up/down arrows to change the VFO A frequency in 10Hz steps).  
I asked Eric what keyboard he was using at the show and he confirmed it was a 
Logitech K360, which sells for about $30 including the tiny USB receiver.

In my shack, at least, wires == problems, clutter and RFI.  So anything 
wireless is a blessing.

This is probably obvious to everyone, but I wanted to share that combination as 
something known to work.

73, Bob,WB4SON


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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] lack of sensitivity...?

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

Hello Andrew,

Thanks for the clarification, you had me wondering :-)

73,

Geoff
LX2AO



On August 30, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Andrew Moore wrote:

> Clarification - when I said the K1 ATU wouldn't make a difference, I mean 
> "just as an installed option" and wasn't considering it actually inline at 
> the time


> --Andrew








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[Elecraft] KAT 500

[r miles]

Saturday is Sept !. I know the tentative shipping date is early Sept. 
Any news ??

K9IL
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[Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Ken Roberson]

Hello ALL,

 

Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for

SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?

I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,

Will any of those cards work?

I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
OFF line would be fine


 

 

Thanks for your help

 

Ken K5DNL

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT 500

[Wayne Burdick]

Last week, thanks to some very diligent field testing, we discovered a  
way to significantly reduce LC network losses on the highest bands  
(especially on 6 meters).

We just redesigned the PC board to take advantage of this, so you'll  
be getting a better ATU. This will push the production schedule out  
farther, and we had to scrap a lot of material, but the change will be  
worth the trouble.

We'll post a revised shipping date as soon as Eric recovers from his  
latest hamfest adventure.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Aug 30, 2012, at 8:06 AM, r miles wrote:

>
> Saturday is Sept !. I know the tentative shipping date is early Sept.
> Any news ??
>
> K9IL
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT 500

[D Joyce]

Further to the attached, since the shipping date is getting close, will the 
interconnect documentation be available soon?

What cables (and lengths) will be provided with the unit?  Are longer 
lengths of the XCVR & AMP control cables also available?

73,  VE3MV

- Original Message - 
From: "r miles" 
To: "elecraft" 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT 500


>
> Saturday is Sept !. I know the tentative shipping date is early Sept.
> Any news ??
>
> K9IL
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[Elecraft] KAT500...e mail today

[r miles]

Last week, thanks to some very diligent field testing, we discovered a 
way to significantly reduce LC network losses on the highest bands 
(especially on 6 meters).

We just redesigned the PC board to take advantage of this, so you'll be 
getting a better ATU. This will push the production schedule out 
farther, and we had to scrap a lot of material, but the change will be 
worth the trouble.

We'll post a revised shipping date as soon as Eric recovers from his 
latest hamfest adventure.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

Tnx Wayne,

This is why I'm glad I own a K3  & a KPA500. I'll be waiting. My opinion 
if this was an offshore manufacturer this would be fixed in the second 
or third generation. Maybe.  I've been happier with my Elecraft  than 
any other brand I've owned. I've owned every JA brand & I'll not go 
back. Keep up the great work.
73

K9IL
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 RF feedback

[Jim Brown]

On 8/30/2012 2:54 AM, Georges Ringotte F6DFZ wrote:
> Thank you for the Elecraft support team, and also for the fine advice on this 
> reflector.

And say thanks to the late Neil Muncy, who first published his research 
about The Pin One Problem in 1994, and who told me in some intense bar 
conversations that it was the primary cause of RFI. I later did research 
that proved him correct.  Neil was an excellent engineer who spent his 
professional life in pro audio, but he used the RF background he first 
gained as a ham to do the most important work on RFI in my lifetime  He 
was also a very unselfish and tireless educator. Virtually every ham, 
and everyone working in audio and broadcasting, is in his debt. Neil 
died last week at his home near Toronto.

73, Jim Brown K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Bill Conkling]

There well may be others that work well, but the Delta 44 has a long track 
record as one of the best and lots of info available and happy users.

bill nr4c 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid

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From: Ken Roberson 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 15:22:18 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards



Hello ALL,

 

Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for

SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?

I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,

Will any of those cards work?

I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
OFF line would be fine


 

 

Thanks for your help

 

Ken K5DNL

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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Matthew Zilmer]

The Creative Labs EMU-0202 and -0204 seem to have a following too.

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conkling
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:18 AM
To: Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

There well may be others that work well, but the Delta 44 has a long track 
record as one of the best and lots of info available and happy users.

bill nr4c 

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From: Ken Roberson 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 15:22:18 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards



Hello ALL,

 

Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for

SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?

I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,

Will any of those cards work?

I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
OFF line would be fine


 

 

Thanks for your help

 

Ken K5DNL

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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[KQ8M]

Those two don't work very well with Win 7 though.

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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Zilmer
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:19 PM
To: Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

The Creative Labs EMU-0202 and -0204 seem to have a following too.

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conkling
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:18 AM
To: Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

There well may be others that work well, but the Delta 44 has a long track 
record as one of the best and lots of info available and happy users.

bill nr4c 

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-Original message-
From: Ken Roberson 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 15:22:18 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards



Hello ALL,

 

Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for

SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?

I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,

Will any of those cards work?

I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
OFF line would be fine


 

 

Thanks for your help

 

Ken K5DNL

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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Matthew Zilmer]

Thanks for that, Tim.  I'm still using XP.  No worries with that o/s.

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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From: KQ8M [mailto:k...@kq8m.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:34 AM
To: Matthew Zilmer; 'Bill Conkling'; 'Ken Roberson'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

Those two don't work very well with Win 7 though.

73,
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-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Zilmer
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:19 PM
To: Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

The Creative Labs EMU-0202 and -0204 seem to have a following too.

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
In status quo voluntas non sufficit

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conkling
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:18 AM
To: Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

There well may be others that work well, but the Delta 44 has a long track 
record as one of the best and lots of info available and happy users.

bill nr4c 

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-Original message-
From: Ken Roberson 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 15:22:18 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards



Hello ALL,

 

Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for

SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?

I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,

Will any of those cards work?

I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
OFF line would be fine


 

 

Thanks for your help

 

Ken K5DNL

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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Barry LaZar]

The Delta 44 has low internal noise making it it ideal for an SDR.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

On 8/30/2012 11:22 AM, Ken Roberson wrote:
>
> Hello ALL,
>
>   
>
> Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for
>
> SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?
>
> I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,
>
> Will any of those cards work?
>
> I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
> OFF line would be fine
>
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Thanks for your help
>
>   
>
> Ken K5DNL
>
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[David Gilbert]

I don't believe that the M-Audio Delta 44 has been available for quite 
some time ... I'm pretty sure it has been discontinued. M-Audio does 
make other cards, though.

N8LP (the guy who makes the LP-Pan) has a page on his website that shows 
the results he got with a few of the better currently available sound 
cards.  Go to www.telepostinc.com and click on the "Sound Card Page" 
link at the left hand side of the page.  I think he has also tested some 
other cards (including some fairly expensive ones) that are not shown on 
that page, most of which have poor performance or some other deficiency 
that would exclude them from serious consideration for SDR purposes.  
When in doubt, ask.  I know he reads this reflector, and there is also 
one on Yahoo dedicated to the LP-Pan.

73,
Dave   AB7E




On 8/30/2012 8:22 AM, Ken Roberson wrote:
>
> Hello ALL,
>
>   
>
> Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for
>
> SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?
>
> I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,
>
> Will any of those cards work?
>
> I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
> OFF line would be fine
>
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Thanks for your help
>
>   
>
> Ken K5DNL

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[Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

[Vic Goncharsky]

Today K144XV safely arrived from FAIRS Hq., Floyd VA

The European 144 MHz championship is held this weekend.
Started to install the module and found no IF connectors on my KXV3-1 (2008) 
board.
Can someone let me know where to go next and connect the IF?
Really hate missing the major annual VHF contest. Do I need to buy a new KXV3A 
board or it can be replaced?
So sorry, so sad
73 Vic US5WE
UARL VHF committee
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Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

[Scott Manthe]

If you're trying to install it internally, you'll need the KXV3A.

73,
Scott, N9AA


On 8/30/12 1:20 PM, Vic Goncharsky wrote:
> Today K144XV safely arrived from FAIRS Hq., Floyd VA
>
> The European 144 MHz championship is held this weekend.
> Started to install the module and found no IF connectors on my KXV3-1 (2008) 
> board.
> Can someone let me know where to go next and connect the IF?
> Really hate missing the major annual VHF contest. Do I need to buy a new 
> KXV3A board or it can be replaced?
> So sorry, so sad
> 73 Vic US5WE
> UARL VHF committee
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Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

[Don Wilhelm]

Vic,

The K144XV is the internal transverter, and you must have the KXV3A to 
connect it.
If you call right now and beg them to ship it overnight, you may have it 
in time for the weekend.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/30/2012 1:20 PM, Vic Goncharsky wrote:
> Today K144XV safely arrived from FAIRS Hq., Floyd VA
>
> The European 144 MHz championship is held this weekend.
> Started to install the module and found no IF connectors on my KXV3-1 (2008) 
> board.
> Can someone let me know where to go next and connect the IF?
> Really hate missing the major annual VHF contest. Do I need to buy a new 
> KXV3A board or it can be replaced?
> So sorry, so sad
> 73 Vic US5WE
> UARL VHF committee
>

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Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Ouch! You need a KXV3A instead of the KXV3 board you have, Vic. I thought
there was a note about that with the K144XV ordering info on the web site,
but I can't find it now. 

I don't know of a work-around using the board you have. You might call
Elecraft and ask them and they might be able to get you a new KXV3 board in
time. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

Today K144XV safely arrived from FAIRS Hq., Floyd VA

The European 144 MHz championship is held this weekend.
Started to install the module and found no IF connectors on my KXV3-1 (2008)
board.
Can someone let me know where to go next and connect the IF?
Really hate missing the major annual VHF contest. Do I need to buy a new
KXV3A board or it can be replaced?
So sorry, so sad
73 Vic US5WE
UARL VHF committee

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Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

[Oliver Dröse]

Overnight from WA (USA) to the Ukraine (Eastern Europe) including customs 
affairs? I'll bet that will never ever work, not even with UPS paying a 
fortune ...

@Vic:
You could temporarily connect the both IF connections from outside the K3 to 
your KXV3 transverter BNC inputs if you can make up the right cables. Not 
sure how to route them from the K144XV in the K3 out to the back of the K3 
(mines already packed for the contest) but that is the only possible 
"short-time" way to do it.

To do a "final" install you'll need a KXV3A.

Good luck and hope to hear you in the contest!

73, Olli - DH8BQA



- Original Message - 
From: "Don Wilhelm" 
To: "Vic Goncharsky" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)


> Vic,
>
> The K144XV is the internal transverter, and you must have the KXV3A to
> connect it.
> If you call right now and beg them to ship it overnight, you may have it
> in time for the weekend.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/30/2012 1:20 PM, Vic Goncharsky wrote:
>> Today K144XV safely arrived from FAIRS Hq., Floyd VA
>>
>> The European 144 MHz championship is held this weekend.
>> Started to install the module and found no IF connectors on my KXV3-1 
>> (2008) board.
>> Can someone let me know where to go next and connect the IF?
>> Really hate missing the major annual VHF contest. Do I need to buy a new 
>> KXV3A board or it can be replaced?
>> So sorry, so sad
>> 73 Vic US5WE
>> UARL VHF committee
>>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Jim Rhodes]

That is really not true. The 0204 is Win7 compatible out of the box (or at
least claims to be, I don't own one). The 0202 has beta drivers for Win7
that have been working just fine for me on Win7 Ultimate 64 bit for over a
year now and I just picked up another for portable operation and loaded the
drivers on a netbook running Win7 Starter 32 bit. So yes, the drivers won't
automagically load, but it took me about 5 minutes to find, download the
drivers (and that includes working around a server error on Creative's
server) and install them.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, KQ8M  wrote:

> Those two don't work very well with Win 7 though.
>
> 73,
> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
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> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Zilmer
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:19 PM
> To: Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>
> The Creative Labs EMU-0202 and -0204 seem to have a following too.
>
> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
> In status quo voluntas non sufficit
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conkling
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:18 AM
> To: Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>
> There well may be others that work well, but the Delta 44 has a long track
> record as one of the best and lots of info available and happy users.
>
> bill nr4c
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid
>
> -Original message-
> From: Ken Roberson 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 15:22:18 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>
>
>
> Hello ALL,
>
>
>
> Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for
>
> SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?
>
> I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,
>
> Will any of those cards work?
>
> I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
> OFF line would be fine
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help
>
>
>
> Ken K5DNL
>
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Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter (Mike Rodgers)

[edevelope...@yahoo.com]

Hi Mike,

Yes - it is possible to do as you suggest - use the absolute S-Meter mode. For 
a long time I resisted switching to absolute mode for no good reason other than 
not wanting to deviate from a default setting.

Because I usually keep RF gain at about the 1 o'clock position, for a long time 
I dithered along with S-Meter readings that were uncorrected for RF gain 
setting.

A month or two ago I switched to absolute mode and have never looked back. 
Recommended. Someone recently suggested the absolute mode be made the default 
and I agree.

This is done via the CONFIG: SMTR MD setting and is further described on page 
51 of the current K3 Owner's Manual.

73 de Tyler, KC2LST

-

Is it possible to make the s meter unaffected by rf gain. I suppose it's not.

73
Mike R

Play me some fiddle, but no stinkin' violin!

Amateur/Ham Radio KE5GBC
HF & Echolink mobile

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Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

[Jim Brown]

On 8/30/2012 10:58 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> If you call right now and beg them to ship it overnight, you may have it
> in time for the weekend.

Notice his call -- US5WE. Somehow I doubt it. :)

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[KQ8M]

I'm sorry but it is true. I have 2 0204's and neither work for crap on Win 7. I 
have been on Creative's forums and read all of the
big audiophile's that used the 0204 on XP but cannot get it to work worth dung 
on Vista or Win 7. I have tried. Go to Creative's
website and see if you can download drivers for an 0204 for ANY Windows 
platform!

 

73,

Tim Herrick, KQ8M

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From: Jim Rhodes [mailto:jimk...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:21 PM
To: KQ8M
Cc: Matthew Zilmer; Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

 

That is really not true. The 0204 is Win7 compatible out of the box (or at 
least claims to be, I don't own one). The 0202 has beta
drivers for Win7 that have been working just fine for me on Win7 Ultimate 64 
bit for over a year now and I just picked up another
for portable operation and loaded the drivers on a netbook running Win7 Starter 
32 bit. So yes, the drivers won't automagically
load, but it took me about 5 minutes to find, download the drivers (and that 
includes working around a server error on Creative's
server) and install them.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, KQ8M  wrote:

Those two don't work very well with Win 7 though.

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Zilmer
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:19 PM
To: Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

The Creative Labs EMU-0202 and -0204 seem to have a following too.

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conkling
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:18 AM
To: Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

There well may be others that work well, but the Delta 44 has a long track 
record as one of the best and lots of info available and
happy users.

bill nr4c

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Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 15:22:18 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards



Hello ALL,



Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for

SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?

I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,

Will any of those cards work?

I don't need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
OFF line would be fine






Thanks for your help



Ken K5DNL

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Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

[Vic Goncharsky]

Thank you folks. 

Well, it will not work overnight as it took 9 days from VA by registered air 
mail.

It was fast with no customs HI.
I was just wandering if there any way to put the IF in and out.

Need to look at schematics myself then.
73 Vic
 




 From: Oliver Dröse 
To: Vic Goncharsky  
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)
 
Overnight from WA (USA) to the Ukraine (Eastern Europe) including customs 
affairs? I'll bet that will never ever work, not even with UPS paying a fortune 
...

@Vic:
You could temporarily connect the both IF connections from outside the K3 to 
your KXV3 transverter BNC inputs if you can make up the right cables. Not sure 
how to route them from the K144XV in the K3 out to the back of the K3 (mines 
already packed for the contest) but that is the only possible "short-time" way 
to do it.

To do a "final" install you'll need a KXV3A.

Good luck and hope to hear you in the contest!

73, Olli - DH8BQA



- Original Message - From: "Don Wilhelm" 
To: "Vic Goncharsky" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)


> Vic,
> 
> The K144XV is the internal transverter, and you must have the KXV3A to
> connect it.
> If you call right now and beg them to ship it overnight, you may have it
> in time for the weekend.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 8/30/2012 1:20 PM, Vic Goncharsky wrote:
>> Today K144XV safely arrived from FAIRS Hq., Floyd VA
>> 
>> The European 144 MHz championship is held this weekend.
>> Started to install the module and found no IF connectors on my KXV3-1 (2008) 
>> board.
>> Can someone let me know where to go next and connect the IF?
>> Really hate missing the major annual VHF contest. Do I need to buy a new 
>> KXV3A board or it can be replaced?
>> So sorry, so sad
>> 73 Vic US5WE
>> UARL VHF committee
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

[Rick Johnson]

Thought England and Italy had sources for all things Elecraft.
Might have that wrong 

73,
Rick W3BI

-Original Message- 
From: Vic Goncharsky
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:42 PM
To: Oliver Dröse
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

Thank you folks.

Well, it will not work overnight as it took 9 days from VA by registered air 
mail.

It was fast with no customs HI.
I was just wandering if there any way to put the IF in and out.

Need to look at schematics myself then.
73 Vic





From: Oliver Dröse 
To: Vic Goncharsky 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

Overnight from WA (USA) to the Ukraine (Eastern Europe) including customs 
affairs? I'll bet that will never ever work, not even with UPS paying a 
fortune ...

@Vic:
You could temporarily connect the both IF connections from outside the K3 to 
your KXV3 transverter BNC inputs if you can make up the right cables. Not 
sure how to route them from the K144XV in the K3 out to the back of the K3 
(mines already packed for the contest) but that is the only possible 
"short-time" way to do it.

To do a "final" install you'll need a KXV3A.

Good luck and hope to hear you in the contest!

73, Olli - DH8BQA



- Original Message - From: "Don Wilhelm" 
To: "Vic Goncharsky" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)


> Vic,
>
> The K144XV is the internal transverter, and you must have the KXV3A to
> connect it.
> If you call right now and beg them to ship it overnight, you may have it
> in time for the weekend.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/30/2012 1:20 PM, Vic Goncharsky wrote:
>> Today K144XV safely arrived from FAIRS Hq., Floyd VA
>>
>> The European 144 MHz championship is held this weekend.
>> Started to install the module and found no IF connectors on my KXV3-1 
>> (2008) board.
>> Can someone let me know where to go next and connect the IF?
>> Really hate missing the major annual VHF contest. Do I need to buy a new 
>> KXV3A board or it can be replaced?
>> So sorry, so sad
>> 73 Vic US5WE
>> UARL VHF committee
>>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Bill W4ZV]

K5DNL wrote
> 
> Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for
> 
> SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?
> 
> I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,
> 
> Will any of those cards work?
> 
> I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
> OFF line would be fine
> 

See N8LP's excellent summary for sound cards actually tested by him with
LP-PAN:

http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html

PCI is actually preferable if CPU usage is an issue.  I use the Audiophile
2496 with an old 2.8G Pentium 4 XP and CPU usage is typically 20-30% running
CW Skimmer and N1MM in contests.

73,  Bill




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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[KQ8M]

The 2496 works very well on Win 7 also. Asus Xonar  Essence ST's and DG's also 
work very well with XP and 7.

Yes, I am using all of them. I have 4 computers, each running 3 soundcards 
each. 3 XP's and a Win 7. They are being used with SDR-IQ, SoftRock receivers 
and also a K3 with LP-Pan. Using CWSkimmer with all.

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill W4ZV
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:51 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards


K5DNL wrote
> 
> Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for
> 
> SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?
> 
> I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,
> 
> Will any of those cards work?
> 
> I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
> OFF line would be fine
> 

See N8LP's excellent summary for sound cards actually tested by him with
LP-PAN:

http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html

PCI is actually preferable if CPU usage is an issue.  I use the Audiophile
2496 with an old 2.8G Pentium 4 XP and CPU usage is typically 20-30% running
CW Skimmer and N1MM in contests.

73,  Bill




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[Elecraft] K2 build.

[Gil G .]

Hello,

Here it is: http://radiopreppers.com/index.php/topic,120.0.html

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[Elecraft] sound cards for SDR

[Brian Pepperdine]

While I agree that the Delta 44 sound card does seem to be de facto choice, 
there are a few, some current and some not,
also described on the LP PAN web page as possible choices.

I ended up using an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card for my K3 into IF PSDR and 
LP PAN.

The previous box, which was an M-Audio Audiophile EXTERNAL device, using 
FireWire, I could not get to work for me. That's me.

I found it hard to procure a new one here, even new they were not in stock or 
Must Order.
I found the used market had some, and at a used price at that.

Brien
VE3VAW

  
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Tony Estep]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, KQ8M  wrote:

> Those two don't work very well with Win 7...

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made and in fact has not been made for quite a while. Apparently the 0204
does not work so well. For a lot of into about sound cards for SDR
application, see the Yahoo Softrock group. There are many posts, some of
which include bandwidth plots and other objective info.

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Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter (MikeRodgers)

[Richard Fjeld]

I shouldn't answer this w/o looking it up in the manual, but I haven't used 
any bandwidth in awhile, it seems to me that we have to re-calibrate if we 
change it to absolute.  Right/Not??
Rich, n0ce

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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter 
(MikeRodgers)


> Hi Mike,
>
> Yes - it is possible to do as you suggest - use the absolute S-Meter mode. 
> For a long time I resisted switching to absolute mode for no good reason 
> other than not wanting to deviate from a default setting.
>
> Because I usually keep RF gain at about the 1 o'clock position, for a long 
> time I dithered along with S-Meter readings that were uncorrected for RF 
> gain setting.
>
> A month or two ago I switched to absolute mode and have never looked back. 
> Recommended. Someone recently suggested the absolute mode be made the 
> default and I agree.
>
> This is done via the CONFIG: SMTR MD setting and is further described on 
> page 51 of the current K3 Owner's Manual.
>
> 73 de Tyler, KC2LST
>

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Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter (Mike Rodgers)

[Adrian]

Absolute mode keeps a true S reading the same regardless of preamp or
Attenuator settings. I use it also in my K3.
The OP is asking about RF gain, if you defeat RF gain then S will rise
regardless of your absolute setting.

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Rodgers)

Hi Mike,

Yes - it is possible to do as you suggest - use the absolute S-Meter mode.
For a long time I resisted switching to absolute mode for no good reason
other than not wanting to deviate from a default setting.

Because I usually keep RF gain at about the 1 o'clock position, for a long
time I dithered along with S-Meter readings that were uncorrected for RF
gain setting.

A month or two ago I switched to absolute mode and have never looked back.
Recommended. Someone recently suggested the absolute mode be made the
default and I agree.

This is done via the CONFIG: SMTR MD setting and is further described on
page 51 of the current K3 Owner's Manual.

73 de Tyler, KC2LST

-

Is it possible to make the s meter unaffected by rf gain. I suppose it's
not.

73
Mike R

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HF & Echolink mobile

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Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter (Mike Rodgers)

[drewko]

I thought he was referring to the s-meter segments "filling up" as you
turn down the RF gain control, which happens with absolute mode as
well as default mode. I forget what the benefit of this action is
supposed to be except that it mimics conventional receivers.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Hi Mike,
>
>Yes - it is possible to do as you suggest - use the absolute S-Meter mode. For 
>a long time I resisted switching to absolute mode for no good reason other 
>than not wanting to deviate from a default setting.
>
>Because I usually keep RF gain at about the 1 o'clock position, for a long 
>time I dithered along with S-Meter readings that were uncorrected for RF gain 
>setting.
>
>A month or two ago I switched to absolute mode and have never looked back. 
>Recommended. Someone recently suggested the absolute mode be made the default 
>and I agree.
>
>This is done via the CONFIG: SMTR MD setting and is further described on page 
>51 of the current K3 Owner's Manual.
>
>73 de Tyler, KC2LST
>
>-
>
>Is it possible to make the s meter unaffected by rf gain. I suppose it's not.
>
>73
>Mike R
>

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Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter (Mike Rodgers)

[Bill K9YEQ]

I had not tried absolute mode.  It is perfect.  I use attn and no pre amp on
lower bands.  Nothing changes.  Reducing rf gain as always will increase the
floor of the reading up to 50 over, or thereabouts.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Adrian)

Absolute mode keeps a true S reading the same regardless of preamp or
Attenuator settings. I use it also in my K3.
The OP is asking about RF gain, if you defeat RF gain then S will rise
regardless of your absolute setting.

-Original Message-

Hi Mike,

Yes - it is possible to do as you suggest - use the absolute S-Meter mode.
For a long time I resisted switching to absolute mode for no good reason
other than not wanting to deviate from a default setting.

Because I usually keep RF gain at about the 1 o'clock position, for a long
time I dithered along with S-Meter readings that were uncorrected for RF
gain setting.

A month or two ago I switched to absolute mode and have never looked back.
Recommended. Someone recently suggested the absolute mode be made the
default and I agree.

This is done via the CONFIG: SMTR MD setting and is further described on
page 51 of the current K3 Owner's Manual.

73 de Tyler, KC2LST

-

Is it possible to make the s meter unaffected by rf gain. I suppose it's
not.

73
Mike R


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Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter (Mike Rodgers)

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

The S-meter reading is normally derived from the AGC voltage, and the AGC
voltage controls the RF Gain. When AGC is on, the knob "RF Gain" simply
manually overrides the AGC voltage. 

So, when you turn the RF gain down manually you are mimicking what the AGC
does in the presence of a signal. The stronger the received signal, the more
the AGC voltage is generated to turn down the RF Gain which then raises the
S-meter reading.

73, Ron AC7AC 

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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:28 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter (Mike
Rodgers)

I thought he was referring to the s-meter segments "filling up" as you turn
down the RF gain control, which happens with absolute mode as well as
default mode. I forget what the benefit of this action is supposed to be
except that it mimics conventional receivers.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


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Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter (Mike Rodgers)

[drewko]

>From an operational standpoint I suppose it is useful (i.e., the
segments filling up when you turn down the gain) so that you can
adjust it visually to the approx level of the background noise by
reducing it until the flickering stops. 

Probably everyone adjusts RF gain by ear though; I mean those who
don't just turn RF gain to max and leave it there.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:39:39 -0700, you wrote:

>The S-meter reading is normally derived from the AGC voltage, and the AGC
>voltage controls the RF Gain. When AGC is on, the knob "RF Gain" simply
>manually overrides the AGC voltage. 
>
>So, when you turn the RF gain down manually you are mimicking what the AGC
>does in the presence of a signal. The stronger the received signal, the more
>the AGC voltage is generated to turn down the RF Gain which then raises the
>S-meter reading.
>
>73, Ron AC7AC 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
>[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of drewko
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:28 PM
>To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter (Mike
>Rodgers)
>
>I thought he was referring to the s-meter segments "filling up" as you turn
>down the RF gain control, which happens with absolute mode as well as
>default mode. I forget what the benefit of this action is supposed to be
>except that it mimics conventional receivers.
>
>73,
>Drew
>AF2Z
>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Wayne/Lyle is it possible? S meter (Mike Rodgers)

[Bill Frantz]

When using my computer to decode PSK and other digital modes, I 
use the RF gain to control AF overload as reported by the 
computer software (cocoaModem).

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 8/30/12 at 13:56, drew...@verizon.net (drewko) wrote:

>Probably everyone adjusts RF gain by ear though; I mean those who
>don't just turn RF gain to max and leave it there.

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Re: [Elecraft] USB Sound Adapter

[Jim Campbell]

I complained to the seller that my adapter was getting too hot to touch 
in a little over a minute and the seller offered to refund what I paid, 
including shipping. I accepted his offer.

Jim - W4BQP

On 8/29/2012 2:14 PM, Jim Campbell wrote:
> I purchased this item on a whim. It arrived Monday. I plugged it in and
> installed the drivers that were included on an accompanying CD. After I
> had installed the drivers I unplugged the device and found the USB end
> of the device to be hot to the touch. I don't know what is going on but
> am uncomfortable having a device plugged into my laptop that is getting
> this hot.
>
> I plugged the device in again just now and opened the accompanying audio
> control panel. It showed two slider bars for the microphone input. I get
> the impression that the builders of this device provided a stereo input
> but didn't expect anyone to use stereo microphones with such an
> inexpensive item.
>
> I don't plan to use this item because of the heat problem. I would like
> to hear of the experience of others.
>
> 73,
>
> Jim - W4BQP
>
> On 8/23/2012 5:07 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
>> Weird.  The ebay item write-up says mono-mic input at one point, but it also
>> talks about two ADCs.  Which is it?
>>
>> Thanks for the info, please keep us informed.
>> 73, Terry, WB4JFI
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Clint
>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:45 PM
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] USB Sound Adapter
>>
>> I found an adaptor based on the VIA Envy VT1620A . (
>> http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/usb/vt1620a/index.jsp )
>>
>> It is on eBay for $14.00! :
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/plug-into-USB-Stereo-Sound-Adapter-Easily-Fix-Upgrade-Computer-Sound-System-/310401470794?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D1535698449564030522%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26
>>
>> Now lets see if it works. Should get a chance to try next week. Grandkids
>> first, then home and play with K3...
>>
>> Clint
>> KI6SSN
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[Elecraft] Delta 44 Info Thanks

[Ken Roberson]

Elecrafters,

 

Thank to all ( 12 ) who responded to my question about

The Delta 44 sound card.

 

All had good info. I think that’s all the info I need.

 

Thanks for the Bandwidth.

 

73 All K5DNL

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Delta 44 Info Thanks

[Tom McCulloch]

What is the conclusion on this if Windows 7 OS is used?

Thanks
Tom, wb2qdg


On 8/30/2012 5:32 PM, Ken Roberson wrote:
>
> Elecrafters,
>
>   
>
> Thank to all ( 12 ) who responded to my question about
>
> The Delta 44 sound card.
>
>   
>
> All had good info. I think that’s all the info I need.
>
>   
>
> Thanks for the Bandwidth.
>
>   
>
> 73 All K5DNL
>
>   
>
>   
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Re: [Elecraft] K144XV (Urgent)

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

The phrase " Requires a KXV3A for internal XV conn. and switching" is on 
the order from in red right under the description for the K144XV.

73,

Eric
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On 8/30/2012 11:16 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Ouch! You need a KXV3A instead of the KXV3 board you have, Vic. I thought
> there was a note about that with the K144XV ordering info on the web site,
> but I can't find it now.
>
> I don't know of a work-around using the board you have. You might call
> Elecraft and ask them and they might be able to get you a new KXV3 board in
> time.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -Original Message-
>
> Today K144XV safely arrived from FAIRS Hq., Floyd VA
>
> The European 144 MHz championship is held this weekend.
> Started to install the module and found no IF connectors on my KXV3-1 (2008)
> board.
> Can someone let me know where to go next and connect the IF?
> Really hate missing the major annual VHF contest. Do I need to buy a new
> KXV3A board or it can be replaced?
> So sorry, so sad
> 73 Vic US5WE
> UARL VHF committee
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] lack of sensitivity...?

[Gil G.]

Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

I did have one bad solder joint on TR7, fixed it by soldering one lead on top. 
Maybe the problem is related to that.
Tuning L34 doesn't seem to do much of anything. There was no 3.3pf capacitor 
for C22 on the RF board, but I had one 2.7pf left over after finishing, so I 
assumed I had to use that..
I did try to compare the K2 with the K1 without the ATU, it does make a 
difference, now it is closer (with preamp on). Maybe I'm being too picky. I was 
assuming the K2 would run circles around the K1.
Don, what kind of additional data can I gather that would help make a diagnosis?
I do not have an RF signal generator, but I have a K1 and a dummy load.
It is peculiar that the 20m band is the most affected… Could filter setting be 
the cause?
I do have spectrogram on my iPod, but the interface is different than on the PC 
version, not usable for filter adjustments.
(I use a Mac…)

Gil.
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On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Gil,
> 
> It is difficult to make a definite answer without some additional data.  Yes, 
> the atu in the K1 could make some difference, but not an extreme difference 
> on receive.
> 
> The most likely guess is that you missed a solder connection somewhere in the 
> receive section of the K2.  Go over the board with a suspicious eye.  The 
> receive portion of the K2 is between the MCIO IC (in the middle of the board) 
> and the front panel.
> 
> The fact that you have full transmit power on all bands says that the problem 
> is *not* in the bandpass filter nor the Low Pass filter.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] lack of sensitivity...?

[Don Wilhelm]

Gil,

Hopefully you are not being confused by the amount of audio reserve.  
The audio in the K2 is adequate, but limited, while the K1 has an LM386 
audio driver followed by an LM380 amplifier and has lots of reserve audio.

It is difficult to tell what you are describing without some form of 
measurable signal injection.  I would suggest that you tune around the 
ham bands for the weakest signal that you can find and compare those.  
If you try to compare raw signal audio, the K1 will win every time, but 
you really need to determine "what is the weakest signal that I can 
receive on this radio"  In that context, the K2 will usually be better 
than the K1.

What I do as a sanity check for every radio I repair is to set the 
output of my HP8640 signal generator at -130 dBm and see just how far 
above the receiver noise level that signal is displayed on the 
Spectrogram screen.  While that is not a true MDS measurement, it does 
give me some assurance that the receiver will be acceptable - the 
Spectrogram display shows me how much above the receiver noise floor 
that -130 dBm signal rises.  If I were to go to pains and add additional 
attenuators and calculate the MDS of each receiver, I would find them 
quite close - my expectation for the K2 would be in excess of -135 dBm 
while the K1 and the KX1 would be close behind at about -132 dBm  A 3 dB 
difference, -- that is twice the receive sensitivity.  You cannot hear 
that difference with your ears unless you are comparing signals just 
barely above the noise level, but you certainly can measure it.

All that information does you no good in operation unless the 
atmospheric band noise is less than the MDS of the receiver.  Not 
typical on the bands 20 meters and below.

73,
Don W3FPR
On 8/30/2012 6:36 PM, Gil G. wrote:
> Thank you everyone for your suggestions.
>
> I did have one bad solder joint on TR7, fixed it by soldering one lead on 
> top. Maybe the problem is related to that.
> Tuning L34 doesn't seem to do much of anything. There was no 3.3pf capacitor 
> for C22 on the RF board, but I had one 2.7pf left over after finishing, so I 
> assumed I had to use that..
> I did try to compare the K2 with the K1 without the ATU, it does make a 
> difference, now it is closer (with preamp on). Maybe I'm being too picky. I 
> was assuming the K2 would run circles around the K1.
> Don, what kind of additional data can I gather that would help make a 
> diagnosis?
> I do not have an RF signal generator, but I have a K1 and a dummy load.
> It is peculiar that the 20m band is the most affected… Could filter setting 
> be the cause?
> I do have spectrogram on my iPod, but the interface is different than on the 
> PC version, not usable for filter adjustments.
> (I use a Mac…)
>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] lack of sensitivity...?

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

You used the correct capacitor for C22. See page 1 of the RF board parts
list. The value varies from 2.7 to 3.3 pf.

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gil G.
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:36 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] lack of sensitivity...?

Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

I did have one bad solder joint on TR7, fixed it by soldering one lead on
top. Maybe the problem is related to that.
Tuning L34 doesn't seem to do much of anything. There was no 3.3pf capacitor
for C22 on the RF board, but I had one 2.7pf left over after finishing, so I
assumed I had to use that..
I did try to compare the K2 with the K1 without the ATU, it does make a
difference, now it is closer (with preamp on). Maybe I'm being too picky. I
was assuming the K2 would run circles around the K1.
Don, what kind of additional data can I gather that would help make a
diagnosis?
I do not have an RF signal generator, but I have a K1 and a dummy load.
It is peculiar that the 20m band is the most affected. Could filter setting
be the cause?
I do have spectrogram on my iPod, but the interface is different than on the
PC version, not usable for filter adjustments.
(I use a Mac.)

Gil.
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Jim Rhodes]

Well, I will stick with my 0202's anyway. When I was installing the second
0202 on my netbook this morning the installation software asked if I was
installing an 0202 or an 0204. Of course I said an 0202. This is not the
driver only package, but a whole installation set. Have not had a chance to
plug a radio into it yet and I have to work all night, so will not have a
chance until tomorrow morning when I get off.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:33 PM, KQ8M  wrote:

> I'm sorry but it is true. I have 2 0204's and neither work for crap on Win
> 7. I have been on Creative's forums and read all of the big audiophile's
> that used the 0204 on XP but cannot get it to work worth dung on Vista or
> Win 7. I have tried. Go to Creative's website and see if you can download
> drivers for an 0204 for ANY Windows platform!
>
> ** **
>
> 73,
>
> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
>
> Charter Member North Coast Contesters
>
> k...@kq8m.com
>
> ** **
>
> AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org
>
> User Ports: 23, 7373  with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer
>
> Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jim Rhodes [mailto:jimk...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:21 PM
> *To:* KQ8M
> *Cc:* Matthew Zilmer; Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson;
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>
> ** **
>
> That is really not true. The 0204 is Win7 compatible out of the box (or at
> least claims to be, I don't own one). The 0202 has beta drivers for Win7
> that have been working just fine for me on Win7 Ultimate 64 bit for over a
> year now and I just picked up another for portable operation and loaded the
> drivers on a netbook running Win7 Starter 32 bit. So yes, the drivers won't
> automagically load, but it took me about 5 minutes to find, download the
> drivers (and that includes working around a server error on Creative's
> server) and install them.
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, KQ8M  wrote:
>
> Those two don't work very well with Win 7 though.
>
> 73,
> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
> Charter Member North Coast Contesters
> k...@kq8m.com
>
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> User Ports: 23, 7373  with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer
> Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Zilmer
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:19 PM
> To: Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>
> The Creative Labs EMU-0202 and -0204 seem to have a following too.
>
> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
> In status quo voluntas non sufficit
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conkling
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:18 AM
> To: Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>
> There well may be others that work well, but the Delta 44 has a long track
> record as one of the best and lots of info available and happy users.
>
> bill nr4c
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid
>
> -Original message-
> From: Ken Roberson 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 15:22:18 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>
>
>
> Hello ALL,
>
>
>
> Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for
>
> SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?
>
> I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,
>
> Will any of those cards work?
>
> I don’t need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
> OFF line would be fine
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help
>
>
>
> Ken K5DNL
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT 500 Shipping Schedule

[W0UCE]

For all of us who have KAT 500s on order it is time to reflect on what we
were taught by loving parents during our formative years: 

1.  All good things come to he who waits
2.  You can't be that hungry, you just had lunch
3.  Dinner will be on the table when it is ready
4.  Clean your plate, some hungry person would love to have that
5.  Just you wait until your father gets home
6.  Patience my son, patience
7.  Because I said so, that's why

So what do those formative year lessons have to do with KAT 500?

The answers are clear and well defined:
1.  Last week, thanks to some very diligent field testing, we discovered a  
way to significantly reduce LC network losses on the highest bands  
(especially on 6 meters)
2.  We just redesigned the PC board to take advantage of this, so you'll  
be getting a better ATU
3.  This will push the production schedule out farther
4.  We had to scrap a lot of material, but the change will be  
worth the trouble
5 We'll post a revised shipping date as soon as Eric recovers from his  
latest hamfest adventure

Those things said, the most important answer is the same as #7 from our
parents... Because I said so, that's why. 

We need to take a lesson from the past.  Our parents had our best interests
at heart and Elecraft, only Elecraft, has the same in providing what is best
for Elecraft customers.



Message: 8
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:34:45 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT 500
To: r miles 
Cc: elecraft 
Message-ID: <0c4a571b-e14e-4921-8c51-917c61b3e...@elecraft.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Last week, thanks to some very diligent field testing, we discovered a  
way to significantly reduce LC network losses on the highest bands  
(especially on 6 meters).

We just redesigned the PC board to take advantage of this, so you'll  
be getting a better ATU. This will push the production schedule out  
farther, and we had to scrap a lot of material, but the change will be  
worth the trouble.

We'll post a revised shipping date as soon as Eric recovers from his  
latest hamfest adventure.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[N8LP]

I'm not sure what problems you're having, but the 0202 and 0204 in my tests
perform better than any of adozen cards I have tested except the E-MU 1212m.
The 0204 has the edge over the 0202 in terms of flexibility when it comes to
win7/64. If you don't need 192kHz, I highly recommend the M-Audio Audiophile
2496 PCI card at $75. The ASUS cards are good at 96kHz, but fall apart at
192kHz. The Delta 44 was once the best card out there, and it's still
decent, but I haven't used one in several years, whereas I have the others
all still installed on my shack PC.

73,
Larry N8LP




KQ8M wrote
> 
> I'm sorry but it is true. I have 2 0204's and neither work for crap on Win
> 7. I have been on Creative's forums and read all of the
> big audiophile's that used the 0204 on XP but cannot get it to work worth
> dung on Vista or Win 7. I have tried. Go to Creative's
> website and see if you can download drivers for an 0204 for ANY Windows
> platform!
> 
>  
> 
> 73,
> 
> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
> 
> Charter Member North Coast Contesters
> 
> kq8m@
> 
>  
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>  
> 
> From: Jim Rhodes [mailto:jimk0xu@] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:21 PM
> To: KQ8M
> Cc: Matthew Zilmer; Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@.qth
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
> 
>  
> 
> That is really not true. The 0204 is Win7 compatible out of the box (or at
> least claims to be, I don't own one). The 0202 has beta
> drivers for Win7 that have been working just fine for me on Win7 Ultimate
> 64 bit for over a year now and I just picked up another
> for portable operation and loaded the drivers on a netbook running Win7
> Starter 32 bit. So yes, the drivers won't automagically
> load, but it took me about 5 minutes to find, download the drivers (and
> that includes working around a server error on Creative's
> server) and install them.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, KQ8M  wrote:
> 
> Those two don't work very well with Win 7 though.
> 
> 73,
> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
> Charter Member North Coast Contesters
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-bounces@.qth [mailto:elecraft-bounces@.qth] On Behalf Of
> Matthew Zilmer
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:19 PM
> To: Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@.qth
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
> 
> The Creative Labs EMU-0202 and -0204 seem to have a following too.
> 
> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
> In status quo voluntas non sufficit
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-bounces@.qth [mailto:elecraft-bounces@.qth] On Behalf Of
> Bill Conkling
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:18 AM
> To: Ken Roberson; elecraft@.qth
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
> 
> There well may be others that work well, but the Delta 44 has a long track
> record as one of the best and lots of info available and
> happy users.
> 
> bill nr4c
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid
> 
> -Original message-
> From: Ken Roberson 
> To: elecraft@.qth
> Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 15:22:18 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
> 
> 
> 
> Hello ALL,
> 
> 
> 
> Everyone seems to be using the Delta 44 sound card for
> 
> SDR receivers, is there something supper about the Delta 44?
> 
> I noticed there are other 24 bit sound cards,
> 
> Will any of those cards work?
> 
> I don't need a USB sound card, PCI slot would be fine.
> OFF line would be fine
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> 
> 
> Ken K5DNL
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[KQ8M]

I'm sorry, Larry, but I have to totally disagree with you about the 0204. Yes, 
it works well on an XP machine but why have they only
released beta drivers for it when it was first manufactured but have failed to 
build any newer drivers? Why is it you cannot
download ANY drivers for this from their own website? I will search tomorrow 
but I will find the posts in Creative's own forums from
people that used it in real hard core audio apps. The box snaps, crackles and 
pops and drops out. I could not even get it to work
for longer than an hour on 96kHz. Yes, that is a HUGE complaint among the 
audiophiles.

I do agree on the 2496. It is a very good stable card. I have found the ASUS 
cards to work pretty well also. The Xonar Essence and
the Xonar DG have been running here very well for 6 months. I still have not 
been about to get the 1212m PCIe to work but have not
spent a lot of time on it.

It seems to me none of the creative cards work very well. They always have some 
sort of mirror image.

I am judging these cards using CWSkimmer. With that application you cannot have 
any mirror image or it spots those mirror images
erroneously. Most people can get away with mirror images that are down from the 
main signal as they would never know they are there.


73,
Tim Herrick, KQ8M
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-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N8LP
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:52 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

I'm not sure what problems you're having, but the 0202 and 0204 in my tests
perform better than any of adozen cards I have tested except the E-MU 1212m.
The 0204 has the edge over the 0202 in terms of flexibility when it comes to
win7/64. If you don't need 192kHz, I highly recommend the M-Audio Audiophile
2496 PCI card at $75. The ASUS cards are good at 96kHz, but fall apart at
192kHz. The Delta 44 was once the best card out there, and it's still
decent, but I haven't used one in several years, whereas I have the others
all still installed on my shack PC.

73,
Larry N8LP




KQ8M wrote
> 
> I'm sorry but it is true. I have 2 0204's and neither work for crap on Win
> 7. I have been on Creative's forums and read all of the
> big audiophile's that used the 0204 on XP but cannot get it to work worth
> dung on Vista or Win 7. I have tried. Go to Creative's
> website and see if you can download drivers for an 0204 for ANY Windows
> platform!
> 
>  
> 
> 73,
> 
> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
> 
> Charter Member North Coast Contesters
> 
> kq8m@
> 
>  
> 
> AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org
> 
> User Ports: 23, 7373  with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer
> 
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> 
>  
> 
> From: Jim Rhodes [mailto:jimk0xu@] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:21 PM
> To: KQ8M
> Cc: Matthew Zilmer; Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@.qth
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
> 
>  
> 
> That is really not true. The 0204 is Win7 compatible out of the box (or at
> least claims to be, I don't own one). The 0202 has beta
> drivers for Win7 that have been working just fine for me on Win7 Ultimate
> 64 bit for over a year now and I just picked up another
> for portable operation and loaded the drivers on a netbook running Win7
> Starter 32 bit. So yes, the drivers won't automagically
> load, but it took me about 5 minutes to find, download the drivers (and
> that includes working around a server error on Creative's
> server) and install them.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, KQ8M  wrote:
> 
> Those two don't work very well with Win 7 though.
> 
> 73,
> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
> Charter Member North Coast Contesters
> kq8m@
> 
> AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org
> User Ports: 23, 7373  with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-bounces@.qth [mailto:elecraft-bounces@.qth] On Behalf Of
> Matthew Zilmer
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:19 PM
> To: Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@.qth
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
> 
> The Creative Labs EMU-0202 and -0204 seem to have a following too.
> 
> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
> In status quo voluntas non sufficit
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-bounces@.qth [mailto:elecraft-bounces@.qth] On Behalf Of
> Bill Conkling
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:18 AM
> To: Ken Roberson; elecraft@.qth
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
> 
> There well may be others that work well, but the Delta 44 has a long track
> record as one of the best and lots of info available and
> happy users.
> 
> bill nr4c
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid
> 
> -Original message-
> From: Ken Roberson 

[Elecraft] K3 For Sale

[Chuck Secrest]

Factory Assembled Elecraft K3/100 in Excellent Like New Condition.
.

Moving to Condo so down sizing station.

Serial #3992
The following options are installed:
.
KAT3 Antenna Tuner
KRX3 Sub receiver
K144XV 2 Meter Module w/K144RFLK
KXV3A RX ant, IF out & Xverter Interface
KTCXO3-1 Hi Stability Ref. Osc.
K3EXREF External Ref. Input
KDVR3 Digital Voice Recorder
Two KBPF3's General Coverage RX Bandpass Module in both Main and Sub RX's
PR6 6 meter Preamp
Main RX Filters: 250-8p, 500-5p, 1.8k-8p, 2.7k-5p, 13k-FM
Sub RX Filters: 500-5p, 2.1k-8p, 2.7k-5p, 6k-8p.
.
Current Kit Price is over 5K Assembled add $400 more
Sell for $3750 + shipping or pick up at my QTH in RI.
Payment by USPS MO, Certified bank check or PayPal if you are willing to 
pay the 3% fee.

.

I also have the K3 Deluxe Weighted Tuning Knob Combo with ball bearing 
finger dimple as shown at

http://www.73cnc.com/Elecraft_K3_Deluxe_Main_and_VFO_B_Knob_Combo_p/k3deluxecombo.htm

Sell for $140 Shipped by Priority Mail

... From Non-Smoking Home ..
.
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Joel Black]

Umm, the EMU-0204 works just fine with Win7.  I've used mine with the 
following and it worked flawlessly:

SoftRock40
SoftRock Ensemble RX/TX
Genesis G59
K3 with LP-Pan

Currently, it is my main sound card as my on-board sound card audio 
output died.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 8/30/2012 11:33 AM, KQ8M wrote:
> Those two don't work very well with Win 7 though.
>
> 73,
> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
> Charter Member North Coast Contesters
> k...@kq8m.com
>
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Zilmer
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:19 PM
> To: Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>
> The Creative Labs EMU-0202 and -0204 seem to have a following too.
>
> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
> In status quo voluntas non sufficit
>
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Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards

[Joel Black]

Tim,

You're confusing the 0202 and the 0204.  There are definitely Win7 
drivers for the 0204 - I have them.  They're included with the card when 
you buy it.  I'm looking at them right now in my hand.  They are in the 
envelope labeled "Installation Kit."

73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 8/30/2012 8:14 PM, KQ8M wrote:
> I'm sorry, Larry, but I have to totally disagree with you about the 0204. 
> Yes, it works well on an XP machine but why have they only
> released beta drivers for it when it was first manufactured but have failed 
> to build any newer drivers? Why is it you cannot
> download ANY drivers for this from their own website? I will search tomorrow 
> but I will find the posts in Creative's own forums from
> people that used it in real hard core audio apps. The box snaps, crackles and 
> pops and drops out. I could not even get it to work
> for longer than an hour on 96kHz. Yes, that is a HUGE complaint among the 
> audiophiles.
>
> I do agree on the 2496. It is a very good stable card. I have found the ASUS 
> cards to work pretty well also. The Xonar Essence and
> the Xonar DG have been running here very well for 6 months. I still have not 
> been about to get the 1212m PCIe to work but have not
> spent a lot of time on it.
>
> It seems to me none of the creative cards work very well. They always have 
> some sort of mirror image.
>
> I am judging these cards using CWSkimmer. With that application you cannot 
> have any mirror image or it spots those mirror images
> erroneously. Most people can get away with mirror images that are down from 
> the main signal as they would never know they are there.
>
>
> 73,
> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
> Charter Member North Coast Contesters
> k...@kq8m.com
>
> AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org
> User Ports: 23, 7373  with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer
> Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N8LP
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:52 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>
> I'm not sure what problems you're having, but the 0202 and 0204 in my tests
> perform better than any of adozen cards I have tested except the E-MU 1212m.
> The 0204 has the edge over the 0202 in terms of flexibility when it comes to
> win7/64. If you don't need 192kHz, I highly recommend the M-Audio Audiophile
> 2496 PCI card at $75. The ASUS cards are good at 96kHz, but fall apart at
> 192kHz. The Delta 44 was once the best card out there, and it's still
> decent, but I haven't used one in several years, whereas I have the others
> all still installed on my shack PC.
>
> 73,
> Larry N8LP
>
>
>
>
> KQ8M wrote
>> I'm sorry but it is true. I have 2 0204's and neither work for crap on Win
>> 7. I have been on Creative's forums and read all of the
>> big audiophile's that used the 0204 on XP but cannot get it to work worth
>> dung on Vista or Win 7. I have tried. Go to Creative's
>> website and see if you can download drivers for an 0204 for ANY Windows
>> platform!
>>
>>   
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
>>
>> Charter Member North Coast Contesters
>>
>> kq8m@
>>
>>   
>>
>> AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org
>>
>> User Ports: 23, 7373  with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer
>>
>> Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606
>>
>>   
>>
>> From: Jim Rhodes [mailto:jimk0xu@]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:21 PM
>> To: KQ8M
>> Cc: Matthew Zilmer; Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@.qth
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>>
>>   
>>
>> That is really not true. The 0204 is Win7 compatible out of the box (or at
>> least claims to be, I don't own one). The 0202 has beta
>> drivers for Win7 that have been working just fine for me on Win7 Ultimate
>> 64 bit for over a year now and I just picked up another
>> for portable operation and loaded the drivers on a netbook running Win7
>> Starter 32 bit. So yes, the drivers won't automagically
>> load, but it took me about 5 minutes to find, download the drivers (and
>> that includes working around a server error on Creative's
>> server) and install them.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, KQ8M  wrote:
>>
>> Those two don't work very well with Win 7 though.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
>> Charter Member North Coast Contesters
>> kq8m@
>>
>> AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org
>> User Ports: 23, 7373  with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer
>> Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-bounces@.qth [mailto:elecraft-bounces@.qth] On Behalf Of
>> Matthew Zilmer
>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:19 PM
>> To: Bill Conkling; Ken Roberson; elecraft@.qth
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SDR_Sound_Cards
>>
>> The Creative Labs EMU-0202 and -0204 seem to have a following too.
>>
>> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
>> In status quo voluntas non sufficit
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elec

[Elecraft] KAT500 RF Sensor

[Sid Leben]

I hope that the RF Sensor for the ATU is very sensitive so we Qrp folks can 
also utilize the KAT500 when not QRO.

Sid  KC2EE
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[Elecraft] FT-950 and KPA500 Interfacing

[Joe Hutchens]

My amp has shipped and will be here in a week.  I have a question for 
those of you using the KPA500 AUX connection with the FT-950 linear 
interface connection on the rear panel.

The KPA500 manual I downloaded says pin 8 (TX INH) and pin 3 (GND) from 
the FT-950 must be connected together then connected to pin 5 on the 
KPA500 AUX connector.  I looked at the FT-950 schematic and it appears 
pin 8 can be left floating.

Also, have you had any issues with band selection using the FT-950 
linear interface connection?

I realize the KPA500 has RF sensing for band selection, but I would like 
to take advantage of the linear port available on the Yaesu.

Joe Hutchens  ( AJ8MH )
http://webpages.charter.net/aj8mh-radio/
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