Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Pretty well covered by others. One more fact to consider is the K3 is a SDR which means the firmware can continually be improved or embellished, thus keeping the radio from obsolescence. The promise of SDR is that it can continually re-invent itself with new sw (firmware). With ten years under its belt a lot of ideas have already been incorporated. Recent improvement in AGC is an example of continual product improvement. Elecraft is the only organization I see this coming with any regularity. The typical mfr rolls out a whole new piece of hardware requiring you to dispose of the old radio and spending a lot of money on the new stuff. Have you noticed that Elecraft new firmware is free! In time the hardware is replaceable with new technology, so eventually there will be better components for building SDR's and that might lead to a successor to the K3. In a manner of speaking the KX3 is that. I hope the idea of replacement through new modules is followed. That is where a radio built with daughter boards on a master mother board is more amenable to hardware upgrades. The tradeoff is reliability issues with daughter board connectors (over time). Those of us that like to experiment with new stuff like the modular approach. Think of new firmware as new modules! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com dubus...@gmail.com Kits made by KL7UW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Servie
Unbelievable service. I have owned many rigs in 50 years of ham radio but never have seen support or service like the folks at Elecraft. I have many rigs that had more airline miles on them than I had on me flying back and forth to the West Coast. Not with these guys, the turnaround is very fast. Marty, K8MV 30-second trick for a flat belly This daily 30-second trick BOOSTS your body#39;s #1 fat-burning hormone http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/5212030b7801630a55b5st04vuc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
The next Elecraft rig will be a real SDR radio (not a hybrid like the K3). With all the convenience and flexibility of the K3, maybe even better. Crucial will be the design specs. I hope that the designspecs will be OK and that the engineers will listen not only to the hard core contesters, but also to others. It will certainly have to be a step up from the K3. Yes, even the K3 has still a few vital things that have to to be improved. 73 Arie PA3A __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
The next Elecraft rig will be a real SDR radio (not a hybrid like the K3). The K3 is a SDR Radio! 73 Milverton. From: Arie Kleingeld PA3A p...@xs4all.nl To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft The next Elecraft rig will be a real SDR radio (not a hybrid like the K3). With all the convenience and flexibility of the K3, maybe even better. Crucial will be the design specs. I hope that the designspecs will be OK and that the engineers will listen not only to the hard core contesters, but also to others. It will certainly have to be a step up from the K3. Yes, even the K3 has still a few vital things that have to to be improved. 73 Arie PA3A __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
The KX3 is a sdr also. but made into a field useable SDR. -- R.Neese KB3VGW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Just thinking about outside the HF spectrum... * A transverter for the possible new MF allocation, should the FCC finally move * A HT that can be used by the emergency services people who are new hams (Elecraft UIs are easier to use than most other makers UIs.) * Elegant radios for the microwave bands Cheers - Bill, AE6JV --- Bill Frantz| Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2 wrote The next Elecraft rig will be a real SDR radio (not a hybrid like the K3). With all the convenience and flexibility of the K3, maybe even better. ...but Wayne said: Direct RF-sampling receivers, for all their technology, still lag well behind the K3 in blocking dynamic range, and probably will continue to for years to come. We're quite happy with our superhet architecture. How refreshing that Elecraft has not been caught up in the direct sampling SDR technology for technology's sake hype. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-whats-next-from-Elecraft-tp7577832p7577868.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Hi Trevor, I'm waiting for a KPA1000. But I'd also take a KPA1200 or KPA1500. 73, Mike K2MK Trevor Dunne wrote Hi All I have been reading the mail here for some time while I debate the purchase of a K3 in my head. I can't help to notice the lack of subjects covering the K3 and the lack of new firmware in over 4 months. Would if be fair to think that development has finished on the K3 and that now all the accessories(amp,P3,ATU,ect) are in place, also the KX3 and matching amp are out there, Have the good people in Elecraft moved on to develop a new radio a K4 maybe Nothing worse than getting something new only for it to be replaced by a newer model a few weeks after getting it. Thanks Trevor EI2GLB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-whats-next-from-Elecraft-tp7577832p7577869.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Hi Milverton, The K3 has enough software and also in the filtering, but it depends HEAVILY on the analog IF filtering. It is a combination, that's why I call it a hybrid. And for the rest: The next generation radio's will be full DSP, this technology will come fast. We have already seen several rigs (receivers and transceivers, also some websdr's on the net) with this technology. 73, Arie PA3A Op 19-8-2013 14:03, tnny...@yahoo.com schreef: The next Elecraft rig will be a real SDR radio (not a hybrid like the K3). The K3 is a SDR Radio! 73 Milverton. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Beta Firmware Downloads
I seem to run into a problem whenever I try to download a Beta version of the KPA500 and KAT500 software. I have followed all the instructions that have been given on the webpage but I never get it to load and have to return to the previous version to get things back up and running. Anyone else having a similar problem? I am running Window 7 along with the latest version of Elecraft Utilities files in all cases. Thanks, Bill - W0BBI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
I hope the idea of replacement through new modules is followed. That is where a radio built with daughter boards on a master mother board is more amenable to hardware upgrades. The tradeoff is reliability issues with daughter board connectors (over time). I agree with your statement above. The Heathkit HW/SB-104 was this way, in that it had a backplane that the boards plugged into. I have had Ten-Tecradios that were on this order also. No sense replacing the whole radio when a circuit board can be replaced instead. I realize Elecraft radios are more complex, but I like to see the use of daughter boards for certain things. I'd rather send back a circuit board for repair or upgrade than the whole radio. Dick, n0ce On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:27 AM, Edward R Cole kl...@acsalaska.net wrote: Pretty well covered by others. One more fact to consider is the K3 is a SDR which means the firmware can continually be improved or embellished, thus keeping the radio from obsolescence. The promise of SDR is that it can continually re-invent itself with new sw (firmware). With ten years under its belt a lot of ideas have already been incorporated. Recent improvement in AGC is an example of continual product improvement. Elecraft is the only organization I see this coming with any regularity. The typical mfr rolls out a whole new piece of hardware requiring you to dispose of the old radio and spending a lot of money on the new stuff. Have you noticed that Elecraft new firmware is free! In time the hardware is replaceable with new technology, so eventually there will be better components for building SDR's and that might lead to a successor to the K3. In a manner of speaking the KX3 is that. I hope the idea of replacement through new modules is followed. That is where a radio built with daughter boards on a master mother board is more amenable to hardware upgrades. The tradeoff is reliability issues with daughter board connectors (over time). Those of us that like to experiment with new stuff like the modular approach. Think of new firmware as new modules! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com dubus...@gmail.com Kits made by KL7UW __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Beta Firmware Downloads
What sort of I never get it to load error messages do you get? Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Wiehe Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 7:38 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Beta Firmware Downloads I seem to run into a problem whenever I try to download a Beta version of the KPA500 and KAT500 software. I have followed all the instructions that have been given on the webpage but I never get it to load and have to return to the previous version to get things back up and running. Anyone else having a similar problem? I am running Window 7 along with the latest version of Elecraft Utilities files in all cases. Thanks, Bill - W0BBI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Status of K3/0 Mini
At Dayton it was said that the K3/0 Mini would be available in early Fall of this year. I am wondering if there is a firm release date and when pricing will be set and orders accepted for this rig. Buzz W3EMD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Status of K3/0 Mini
If the K3/0 mini is the same thing as the K3/0, then it's listed on the K3 and accessories order page as $695/95 If it's not the same, I'm sorry - I haven't been following the remote stuff for the K3 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) -- When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. -R. Buckminster Fuller, engineer, designer, and architect (1895-1983) On 19 Aug 2013, at 15:57, James Beitchman wrote: At Dayton it was said that the K3/0 Mini would be available in early Fall of this year. I am wondering if there is a firm release date and when pricing will be set and orders accepted for this rig. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] What is next from Elecraft?
I have a suggestion for Elecraft. How about designing a receiver for the SWL crowd? They could use the receiver in the KX3 and add an AM synchronous detector. Regards, WB2BJW Bob Jackson Working __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Beta Firmware Downloads
Bill, Are you telling the Utility where you have unzipped the files in the beta package? 73, Don W3FPR On 8/19/2013 10:38 AM, Bill Wiehe wrote: I seem to run into a problem whenever I try to download a Beta version of the KPA500 and KAT500 software. I have followed all the instructions that have been given on the webpage but I never get it to load and have to return to the previous version to get things back up and running. Anyone else having a similar problem? I am running Window 7 along with the latest version of Elecraft Utilities files in all cases. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - Issue/Oddity
This morning, I turned on my K3 for the first time in two months. Everything is OK, until I transmit (checking the SWR on my beam) My two inline watt meters say the match is 1.2 to one. The K3 thinks it is 3.3 to 1 with or without the tuner. The tuner does click and clack to match the (?) what ever it is matching...but the K3 always reports 3.3 to 1. Sowhat am I missing here or what is your opinion? Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. - John W. (Kansas) Never interfere with anything that isn't bothering you. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Oddity #2
Forgive me Lee, but is it wrong ANT selected - done that, been there! 73 de David, M0XDF -- The universe is like a safe to which there is a combination. But the combination is locked up in the safe. -Peter De Vries, editor, novelist (1910-1993) On 19 Aug 2013, at 15:59, Lee Buller wrote: I sent this earlier today, but it did not show up on the reflector. This morning, I turned on my K3 for the first time in two months. Everything is OK, until I transmit (checking the SWR on my beam) My two inline watt meters say the match is 1.2 to one. The K3 thinks it is 3.3 to 1 with or without the tuner. The tuner does click and clack to match the (?) what ever it is matching...but the K3 always reports 3.3 to 1. Sowhat am I missing here or what is your opinion? Lee - K0WA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Excessively long quotes when replying to list
I've also noted that some respondents post with absolutely *none* of the original post that they are responding too. That is equally frustrating as well. Please include at least a bit of the relevant post for those of us who read in digest mode. Thanks. Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From: Dennis L. Haarsager [mailto:haarsa...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Excessively long quotes when replying to list Would be great if, when replying to a post on this list, you snip out all but the one post to which you're replying. This would be a great courtesy to those of us who follow the list using the Digest option. A couple posts in this afternoon's digest quoted 20-some deep into a previous digest and made it difficult to find numbered posts of interest. Thanks and 73, Dennis Haarsager, N7DH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Front Panel
I just received a new K3 S/N 7604. I am noticing the front panel is running very warm. It has the second receiver installed so that might be a reason. I have another K3 without the second receiver and it is very cool with a reading of 36 C for the front panel but the new one is showing 61 C. The static PA temps compare. Is this a normal range for the K3 with a second RX? The radio are the same other than the 2 nd RX. Maybe some input from other users with the second RX. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Oddity #2
I sent this earlier today, but it did not show up on the reflector. This morning, I turned on my K3 for the first time in two months. Everything is OK, until I transmit (checking the SWR on my beam) My two inline watt meters say the match is 1.2 to one. The K3 thinks it is 3.3 to 1 with or without the tuner. The tuner does click and clack to match the (?) what ever it is matching...but the K3 always reports 3.3 to 1. Sowhat am I missing here or what is your opinion? Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. - John W. (Kansas) Never interfere with anything that isn't bothering you. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft 2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy one. Hopefully the Elecraft gods are listening. 73, Steve KS6PD On Monday, August 19, 2013, Richard Fjeld wrote: I hope the idea of replacement through new modules is followed. That is where a radio built with daughter boards on a master mother board is more amenable to hardware upgrades. The tradeoff is reliability issues with daughter board connectors (over time). I agree with your statement above. The Heathkit HW/SB-104 was this way, in that it had a backplane that the boards plugged into. I have had Ten-Tecradios that were on this order also. No sense replacing the whole radio when a circuit board can be replaced instead. I realize Elecraft radios are more complex, but I like to see the use of daughter boards for certain things. I'd rather send back a circuit board for repair or upgrade than the whole radio. Dick, n0ce On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:27 AM, Edward R Cole kl...@acsalaska.netjavascript:; wrote: Pretty well covered by others. One more fact to consider is the K3 is a SDR which means the firmware can continually be improved or embellished, thus keeping the radio from obsolescence. The promise of SDR is that it can continually re-invent itself with new sw (firmware). With ten years under its belt a lot of ideas have already been incorporated. Recent improvement in AGC is an example of continual product improvement. Elecraft is the only organization I see this coming with any regularity. The typical mfr rolls out a whole new piece of hardware requiring you to dispose of the old radio and spending a lot of money on the new stuff. Have you noticed that Elecraft new firmware is free! In time the hardware is replaceable with new technology, so eventually there will be better components for building SDR's and that might lead to a successor to the K3. In a manner of speaking the KX3 is that. I hope the idea of replacement through new modules is followed. That is where a radio built with daughter boards on a master mother board is more amenable to hardware upgrades. The tradeoff is reliability issues with daughter board connectors (over time). Those of us that like to experiment with new stuff like the modular approach. Think of new firmware as new modules! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com dubus...@gmail.com javascript:; Kits made by KL7UW __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecraft http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htm http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth. javascript:;**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net javascript:; This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net javascript:; This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Front Panel
61C is not very warm it is too hot to touch. How does it compare by finger with the other unit? My K3 with sub RX regularly runs at 36 37C. Turn the K3 off, let it cool, turn it on with the FP temp display on, how does it compare with room temp. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 19/08/2013 12:17, Mike Greenway wrote: I just received a new K3 S/N 7604. I am noticing the front panel is running very warm. It has the second receiver installed so that might be a reason. I have another K3 without the second receiver and it is very cool with a reading of 36 C for the front panel but the new one is showing 61 C. The static PA temps compare. Is this a normal range for the K3 with a second RX? The radio are the same other than the 2 nd RX. Maybe some input from other users with the second RX. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
On 8/19/2013 7:21 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: The K3 has enough software and also in the filtering, but it depends HEAVILY on the analog IF filtering. It is a combination, that's why I call it a hybrid. Consider for a moment an SDR with no analog filtering at all. How wide would the passband be? Are we going to cover everything from MF to 6m? The A-D converter is going to have to convert everything coming in, and the DSP is going to have to sort out what you want out of everything coming in: broadcast, other services, noise 50 MHz wide, and who knows what else. I'd rather have the DSP concentrate on a smaller bandwidth signal, and have the processing power available for the few MHz I care about at any given time. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Don hits the nail on the head. Compare Elecraft product support, for example, to YaeKenCom whose only fix for product defects is a new product two years later with new defects! Or to HP whose printers are officially out of support before the inventory is sold off of dealer shelves. /Rick On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: What I am suggesting is that if you purchase a K3, you can expect it to be supported long into the future. I do not have the 'inside track' information about what Elecraft is now working on, nor can I say when it may be revealed, but you can buy a K3 or KX3 and you will find that not only is it a top performer, but will remain so for some time, and you can rely on Elecraft support long into the future. A new product will not diminish support of the present products. -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] XG3 version 1.16 firmware now available
Version 1.16 of XG3 firmware is now available for general release. Please make sure you are using the most recent version of the XG3 utility which can be found here for PC http://www.elecraft.com/XG3/XG3_Utility_Setup_1_13_6_6.exeMac http://www.elecraft.com/XG3/XG3UtilityOSX_1_13_6_4.zip or Linux http://www.elecraft.com/XG3/XG3UtilityLINUX_1_13_6_4.tgz . This is a minor release which adds/fixes the following issues: Revision 1.16 May 28, 2013 • A break signal is now transmitted over the serial port at the start of frequency sweep and Morse memory playback. This appears as a 1.3 ms low to high to low pulse on the serial TX line and can be used to trigger external equipment. • When sending a Morse string using the ‘W’ command, pressing any key or any received serial character will now stop and exit the Morse sequence. • Fixed a bug in which the first element of the first character in a Morse string was being omitted. 73, Paul (n6hz) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XG3-version-1-16-firmware-now-available-tp7577887.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Steve, What would you be willing to pay? What would it have that current import units do not? (perhaps a manual you can understand or a set of controls that easily access the gazillion features?) Let's face it the current crop of 2m/440 are almost priced to be disposables. What market share is left to go after? 73 Brian/K3KO On 8/19/2013 15:50, Stephen Selberg wrote: Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft 2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy one. Hopefully the Elecraft gods are listening. 73, Steve KS6PD - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3211/6089 - Release Date: 08/19/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Beta Firmware Downloads
Thanks to all who replied. I have been give some insights to my issue. After reviewing them I believe I need to dig deeper into my Windows program settings. I appreciate the help and feedback. Thanks, Bill- W0BBI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Fwd: K3 and whats next from Elecraft
To comment further on part of my past post: To my way of thinking, if Elecraft could perfect this well, so that the radio would never become obsolete, it would become the most practical and popular radio of all. Hardware upgrades would still be profitable. I think Elecraft would have a hard time keeping up with radio sales. No sense replacing the whole radio when a circuit board can be replaced instead. I realize Elecraft radios are more complex, but I like to see the use of daughter boards for certain things. I'd rather send back a circuit board for repair or upgrade than the whole radio. Dick, n0ce __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Oddity #2
No, I do not think so because I was hearing signals on the band...I do not have the 2nd antenna hooked to anything. Lee In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. - John W. (Kansas) Never interfere with anything that isn't bothering you. From: David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk To: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Oddity #2 Forgive me Lee, but is it wrong ANT selected - done that, been there! 73 de David, M0XDF -- The universe is like a safe to which there is a combination. But the combination is locked up in the safe. -Peter De Vries, editor, novelist (1910-1993) On 19 Aug 2013, at 15:59, Lee Buller wrote: I sent this earlier today, but it did not show up on the reflector. This morning, I turned on my K3 for the first time in two months. Everything is OK, until I transmit (checking the SWR on my beam) My two inline watt meters say the match is 1.2 to one. The K3 thinks it is 3.3 to 1 with or without the tuner. The tuner does click and clack to match the (?) what ever it is matching...but the K3 always reports 3.3 to 1. Sowhat am I missing here or what is your opinion? Lee - K0WA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
HI Steve: Perhaps. I have a feeling, however, that an HT would not be something that Elecraft would offer. There simply are too many competitor products out there that do the job. For example... the $32 Baofeng UV-5R, not to mention all the HTs made by Yaesu, Icom, Kenwood, and Alinco. The market is saturated with HTs. As nice as it would be to have the Elecraft brand on the front of an HT, ... I don't see it happening. Elecraft has made it's mark by offering gear that -no one- is making. And, making the best performing unit they can. Consider the line: K2, K1, KX1, K3, KX3. Does -any- other company offer a truly competitive (for features) unit? This is not to say that something might happen way down the road, maybe a digital voice HT, whenever a true DV standard is reached. But, for now, I really do not believe Elecraft would consider marketing an HT. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Aug 19, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Stephen Selberg wrote: Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft 2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy one. Hopefully the Elecraft gods are listening. 73, Steve KS6PD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Even if a K4 announcement were made today you'd likely experience an almost unbearable waiting period before you'd actually be able to get your hands on one. In other words, it's probably best to just go buy a K3 and have fun in the meantime! You can always sell the K3 later to help fund the K4... Here's what I would like: A remote control head with a direct wireless link to the K3 (or K4, whatever...), for short-distance grab-and-use portability around home and property. For a K4, that would mean the front panel would be a docking wireless control head that could be easily detached and used to operate the rig remotely around the home. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:39:06 +0100 (BST), you wrote: Hi All I have been reading the mail here for some time while I debate the purchase of a K3 in my head. I can't help to notice the lack of subjects covering the K3 and the lack of new firmware in over 4 months. Would if be fair to think that development has finished on the K3 and that now all the accessories(amp,P3,ATU,ect) are in place, also the KX3 and matching amp are out there, Have the good people in Elecraft moved on to develop a new radio a K4 maybe Nothing worse than getting something new only for it to be replaced by a newer model a few weeks after getting it. Thanks Trevor EI2GLB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Excessively long quotes when replying to list
For those using Thunderbird, it's really easy to do: Select the part that goes with your comment, then click Reply All or Reply List -- everything else will be eliminated automatically. -- Lynn On 8/18/2013 6:10 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: Folks, Dennis correct. Its also list policy. Please trim the copied text from previous postings when replying on a topic to the minimum needed to retain context. Usually a few sentences from the most recent email in the thread are sufficient. Please also delete the list footer from prior posts when responding. 73, Eric List Moderator elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Excessively long quotes when replying to list
Works this way for Mac Mail, too David K0LUM On Aug 19, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: For those using Thunderbird, it's really easy to do: Select the part that goes with your comment, then click Reply All or Reply List -- everything else will be eliminated automatically. -- Lynn On 8/18/2013 6:10 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: Folks, Dennis correct. Its also list policy. Please trim the copied text from previous postings when replying on a topic to the minimum needed to retain context. Usually a few sentences from the most recent email in the thread are sufficient. Please also delete the list footer from prior posts when responding. 73, Eric List Moderator elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
I realize it'll never happen because of the $32 cheapies on the market. I was more dreaming about something I know wouldn't happen. To answer another question someone asked, I'd probably pay $400-$500 for an Elecraft HT that I know would be much higher in quality and workmanship, have great support and customer service, and yes, a manual I could read. I'm sure there are plenty of US hams who would pay more money for a quality made in the USA HT. My earlier statement was rhetorical with distant hopes of possibility. But for now I'll keep saving up my funds for a kpa500 to compliment the shack. I officially drank the kool-aid when I purchased my kx3 and hope to replace everything in the shack with elecraft gear. Is there less expensive equipment on the market? Yes, will it come with the support that Elecraft provides? Probably not. I'm planning on getting the KAT500 this week. Could I get the LDG at600 and save myself $300? I could...but I'd rather spend the extra money for something I know will work and come with outstanding support from not only the company, but a fine group of users as well. To the original poster of this thread, IMHO, I say get the K3 and not worry about a K4. I know I am just as soon as I get more funds as I hate using credit cards. I know I won't have to replace the rig in 2 years as Elecraft works very hard to fix whatever bugs the radio might have. I don't see that support from the yaekencom people. I like my 590, but there's some known issues with it. Over the last 3 years, kenwood has not done much in my opinion to fix them. Instead, I think they put all their time into the 990. Based on my experience from this reflector, if someone has an issue or bug, the Elecraft team immediately tries to duplicate and then fix that bug. If only more companies operated like that. And that's why I'd pay extra for an elecraft HT (I know, it won't happen). As was already mentioned, if a k4 or whatever did come out, it'd probably have a different purpose or use than the K3. So go for it! And get me one too! Hihi I can dream right? 73, KS6PD Sent from my iPhone. Forgive the grammar and typos On Monday, August 19, 2013, Ray Sills wrote: HI Steve: Perhaps. I have a feeling, however, that an HT would not be something that Elecraft would offer. There simply are too many competitor products out there that do the job. For example... the $32 Baofeng UV-5R, not to mention all the HTs made by Yaesu, Icom, Kenwood, and Alinco. The market is saturated with HTs. As nice as it would be to have the Elecraft brand on the front of an HT, ... I don't see it happening. Elecraft has made it's mark by offering gear that -no one- is making. And, making the best performing unit they can. Consider the line: K2, K1, KX1, K3, KX3. Does -any- other company offer a truly competitive (for features) unit? This is not to say that something might happen way down the road, maybe a digital voice HT, whenever a true DV standard is reached. But, for now, I really do not believe Elecraft would consider marketing an HT. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Aug 19, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Stephen Selberg wrote: Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft 2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy one. Hopefully the Elecraft gods are listening. 73, Steve KS6PD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Rick makes an excellent point. Buy a new YaeKenCom and that radio will be the same the day you sell it as it was on the day you bought it. The more I think about it, the more I realize that the biggest threat to the K3 in the future is simply running out of buttons and knobs as features are added to the radio. Maybe at some point there will be a K3 mark II where the big change is a new front panel that has been tuned to the evolving feature set. Disclaimer: I don't know the K3 well enough to critique the current front panel, I suspect the current front panel works fine. I have a KX3. On 8/19/2013 9:10 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: Don hits the nail on the head. Compare Elecraft product support, for example, to YaeKenCom whose only fix for product defects is a new product two years later with new defects! Or to HP whose printers are officially out of support before the inventory is sold off of dealer shelves. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Oddity #2
OK...I get it. DUH! I might be receiving on #1 but xmitting on #2. Will check tonight Lee In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. - John W. (Kansas) Never interfere with anything that isn't bothering you. From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net To: David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Oddity #2 No, I do not think so because I was hearing signals on the band...I do not have the 2nd antenna hooked to anything. Lee In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. - John W. (Kansas) Never interfere with anything that isn't bothering you. From: David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk To: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Oddity #2 Forgive me Lee, but is it wrong ANT selected - done that, been there! 73 de David, M0XDF -- The universe is like a safe to which there is a combination. But the combination is locked up in the safe. -Peter De Vries, editor, novelist (1910-1993) On 19 Aug 2013, at 15:59, Lee Buller wrote: I sent this earlier today, but it did not show up on the reflector. This morning, I turned on my K3 for the first time in two months. Everything is OK, until I transmit (checking the SWR on my beam) My two inline watt meters say the match is 1.2 to one. The K3 thinks it is 3.3 to 1 with or without the tuner. The tuner does click and clack to match the (?) what ever it is matching...but the K3 always reports 3.3 to 1. Sowhat am I missing here or what is your opinion? Lee - K0WA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Dummy load
I feel like the dummy, but I just bought and put together the DL-1 from Elecraft, and I have no clue how to use it. Can someone help? I need step by step instructions: ( lol __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Dummy load
Are you a radio amateur? I don't see a call sign. Ariel Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Rick Bleda rbled...@gmail.com wrote: I feel like the dummy, but I just bought and put together the DL-1 from Elecraft, and I have no clue how to use it. Can someone help? I need step by step instructions: ( lol __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Dummy load
Rick, A dummy load is something that you connect to a transmitter which you want to test without using an antenna. It provides a good 50 ohm resistive load to the transmitter whereas an antenna feedline impedance can vary all over the place (transmitters are designed to operate into a 50 ohm resistive load). When the transmitter is not in use, it is wise to connect the antenna output to a dummy load - the transmitter will be better protected from static surges coming in on the antenna feedline - those surges can damage the transmitter or receiver. Do not exceed the power rating of the dummy load. The Elecraft DL1 has a diode detector that allows you to use your DMM to measure the recified DC voltage and compute the actual power using the formula in the instruction manual. Another use of a dummy load is on ATUs that have more than one antenna port - connect the dummy load to any unused port just in case that ANT is accidentally selected. You transmitter will be loaded with the proper load rather than transmitting into an open circuit (that can damage the transmitter) 73, Don W3FPR On 8/19/2013 2:21 PM, Rick Bleda wrote: I feel like the dummy, but I just bought and put together the DL-1 from Elecraft, and I have no clue how to use it. Can someone help? I need step by step instructions: ( lol __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Lynn, We don't have to worry about processorpower. The hardware is already there and still developping. And Yes, sampling up to 6m is possible. Apart from that, the interfacing from the machine to us humans can certainly do better with some innovation (new ideas) as well. 73, Arie PA3A Op 19-8-2013 18:07, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT schreef: Consider for a moment an SDR with no analog filtering at all. How wide would the passband be? Are we going to cover everything from MF to 6m? The A-D converter is going to have to convert everything coming in, and the DSP is going to have to sort out what you want out of everything coming in: broadcast, other services, noise 50 MHz wide, and who knows what else. I'd rather have the DSP concentrate on a smaller bandwidth signal, and have the processing power available for the few MHz I care about at any given time. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Dummy load
I guess the first step is deciding what you want to do with it. They are generally connected to the output of a transmitter in place of an antenna. Then you can test the transmitter without causing interference to others. As described in the manual, you can use a volt meter with it to determine the amount of power coming out of the transmitter. 73 - Mike WA8BXN ---Original Message--- From: Rick Bleda Date: 8/19/2013 2:21:54 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy load I feel like the dummy, but I just bought and put together the DL-1 from Elecraft, and I have no clue how to use it. Can someone help? I need step by step instructions: ( lol __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Dummy load
Hi Rick, Connect your transmitter output to the BNC input of the DL-1. A dummy load allows you to test your transmitter without sending your transmitted RF signal into an antenna where it can cause unintentional interference to others. The DL-1 has a 20 watt limit. You can also attach a voltmeter to the test points for a voltage measurement that translates to watts of output per the chart in the manual. 73, Mike K2MK Rick Bleda wrote I feel like the dummy, but I just bought and put together the DL-1 from Elecraft, and I have no clue how to use it. Can someone help? I need step by step instructions: ( lol -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dummy-load-tp7577898p7577904.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Dummy load
Hi, Rick! You connect the Dummy load to the antenna connector of your transmitter using a short jumper coax connector (or a dual-male BNC adapter, if appropriate). Now the transmitter sees a very nice antenna, approximately 50 ohm resistive impedance. You can transmit (within the power limits of your dummy load) and the transmitter should see more or less a 1:1 SWR load. I use dual plug BNC adapter to connect my DL-1 to the K3 KXV3 transverter output connector during the milliwatt Tx gain calibration. The adapter looks something like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/31-218-RFX/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvKc Ua6gL0RXDfubrP3pdc2hl1EOgQvgOU%3d 73 de Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Bleda Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:22 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy load I feel like the dummy, but I just bought and put together the DL-1 from Elecraft, and I have no clue how to use it. Can someone help? I need step by step instructions: ( lol __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K2 Problem - I let some smoke out
Yep, that was the problem! In my haste to test the K2 after repairs, I disconnected all optional stuff, including the RX antenna. Naturally I forgot all about that after a couple of days (CRS?) and thustly ceated my own problem. Thanks for the quick response and for all of the help you provide! Mike - W0AG On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Mike, I suspect that the 80 meter receive problem has nothing to do with the 12 volt power trace incident. Do you have the K160RX option installed? If so, check the menu to see if the RX ANT is ON for 80 meters. That is a per band setting. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/18/2013 7:31 PM, Mike Murray wrote: Recently, while reassembling my K2-100 (#2652) after installing a Clifton Labs IF out module, I managed to pinch the 12V aux wire that connects the 100 watt module to the main board against the right side panel. After the smoke cleared, I found a lifted trace on the amp board that feeds the 12V to the connecting wire. The trace was still in place, but I decided to remove it and hard wire around just to be certain it would be OK. Everything seems to be functionally restored except receive on 80M, which is basically dead. Anyone have any thoughts on where to start troubleshooting? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
On 8/19/2013 11:38 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: We don't have to worry about processorpower. The hardware is already there and still developping. And Yes, sampling up to 6m is possible. Arie, I understand your position. It's just that a $20 filter can reduce the amount of processing needed by a couple of orders of magnitude. It probably doesn't even need to be a great filter, you can fix that in the DSP. ... and my experience, working with computers since 1969, is that no matter how much processing you have, there is always a need for just a tiny bit more. The best part of the DSP is that the manufacturer can (most don't, but they can -- Elecraft does) improve the radio over time. I'm not familiar with the other Software Defined Radios out there, but I'll bet that nearly all of them do some kind of analog pre-filtering, then do the heavy lifting in software. -- Lynn __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Front Panel
Mike, my K3 w/sub rx, at start up, the Front Panel is 15C and the PA temp is 28, how does yours compare? PaulNF8J On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Mike Harris mike.har...@horizon.co.fkwrote: 61C is not very warm it is too hot to touch. How does it compare by finger with the other unit? My K3 with sub RX regularly runs at 36 37C. Turn the K3 off, let it cool, turn it on with the FP temp display on, how does it compare with room temp. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 19/08/2013 12:17, Mike Greenway wrote: I just received a new K3 S/N 7604. I am noticing the front panel is running very warm. It has the second receiver installed so that might be a reason. I have another K3 without the second receiver and it is very cool with a reading of 36 C for the front panel but the new one is showing 61 C. The static PA temps compare. Is this a normal range for the K3 with a second RX? The radio are the same other than the 2 nd RX. Maybe some input from other users with the second RX. 73 Mike K4PI __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Paul VanOveren 5911 Snow Av Alto, Mi 49302 (616) 868-7149 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
Eric/Wayne ... Totally asinine idea, why enter a cheap market with a jillion competitors? In a message dated 8/19/2013 1:30:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net writes: Message: 12 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:50:10 -0700 From: Stephen Selberg ke6...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft Message-ID: CAGL1PW3F1u9itcO7C=cwvo0usqfqnhjrh9iuc8nyxfg5uwk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft 2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy one. Hopefully the Elecraft gods are listening. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
2m/440 is a vast waste land.. Reggie K6xr Ham Radio Since 1955 DXCC, RCC, WAZ QRP IS KING On Aug 19, 2013, at 11:41 AM, w0...@aol.com wrote: Eric/Wayne ... Totally asinine idea, why enter a cheap market with a jillion competitors? In a message dated 8/19/2013 1:30:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net writes: Message: 12 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:50:10 -0700 From: Stephen Selberg ke6...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft Message-ID: CAGL1PW3F1u9itcO7C=cwvo0usqfqnhjrh9iuc8nyxfg5uwk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft 2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy one. Hopefully the Elecraft gods are listening. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
Exactly, Elecraft and Handie Talkies? I don't think so... :))) F5VJC On 19 August 2013 20:41, w0...@aol.com wrote: Eric/Wayne ... Totally asinine idea, why enter a cheap market with a jillion competitors? In a message dated 8/19/2013 1:30:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net writes: Message: 12 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:50:10 -0700 From: Stephen Selberg ke6...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft Message-ID: CAGL1PW3F1u9itcO7C=cwvo0usqfqnhjrh9iuc8nyxfg5uwk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft 2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy one. Hopefully the Elecraft gods are listening. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Y'all are thinking too small. I expect that the next generation will be voice operated, to be followed by a rig that won't require any input from the Ham. Since you are the licensee, it will just text you with a summary of the QSO's that it made on your behalf each day. But then, one day, we'll be able to apply for licenses and take the exams on-line so the rig log on and get the license and we humans won't have to bother ourselves with what the rig is doing. 73, Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
I could use some education here please: What is the advantage of sampling directly off the antenna? I'm surmising that's what is meant by real SDR vs hybrid SDR. I don't know if 32-bit ADC's existed when the K3 was being designed, but Elecraft settled on the hybrid superhet analog 1st IF/digital 2nd IF for at least one reason and probably many. The dynamic range of signal amplitudes at my coax connector across the 0 to 30MHz spectrum has got to be huge, even after LORAN-C shut down. Is there really any benefit to having that broad a spectrum with that large an amplitude range in the number soup? If you want to observe that spectrum, wouldn't it be better to use a spectrum analyzer and save your communications receiver to be optimized to deal with the tiny little slices we want 99.999% of the time? If the K3 sampled at the 8MHz 1st IF, after the analog roofing filters [i.e. RF amp and 1st mixer only], would it make the K3 a real SDR in the eyes of those who don't see it that way now? I'm serious about the education part, this Is the K3 an SDR thread has been going, on and off, for more than a year. It seems that we have two ideologies going, Digitalists vs Analogists. Unfortunately, debating ideologies qualitatively is rarely productive. My education is in math, my understanding of EE is the result of 60 years in ham radio colored by a math background. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013 - www.cqp.org On 8/19/2013 11:38 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: We don't have to worry about processorpower. The hardware is already there and still developping. And Yes, sampling up to 6m is possible. Apart from that, the interfacing from the machine to us humans can certainly do better with some innovation (new ideas) as well. Op 19-8-2013 18:07, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT schreef: Consider for a moment an SDR with no analog filtering at all. How wide would the passband be? Are we going to cover everything from MF to 6m? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Lynn, Some filtering ahead or some attenuation or preamp will be there or better said: are there. What I meant is that the transceiver of the near future will use an HF A/D converter, so direct digital sampling. One of the first widely available RX's (at a nice price) was the perseus RX. Lots of info on the net about this little RX. A nice application of this principle is found as a 'web-sdr'. See here http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ You can even check your own signal with it (if propagation permits hi) 73 Arie PA3A Op 19-8-2013 21:12, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT schreef: I'm not familiar with the other Software Defined Radios out there, but I'll bet that nearly all of them do some kind of analog pre-filtering, then do the heavy lifting in software. -- Lynn __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 2M 440, was: Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I must disagree. These bands are the major bands for ARES/RACES emergency services. When I talk with South San Francisco Bay Area ARES/RACES leaders, they have no interest in HF or any other kind of long distance communication. Their interest is in connecting Red Cross shelters, hospitals, 911 centers and neighborhood emergency centers for emergency coordination. 2M/440 are the bread and butter bands for this kind of communications. While I personally think that long distance communication has an important place in emergency preparedness, I don't seem to get much headway when speaking to ARES/RACES leaders in my community. I also use 2M quite a lot for communication with ham friends while rag chewing on local repeaters, car-to-car communication when caravaning, and wilderness trail communication. I always try to remember that ham radio is a huge tent and there are many, many places to have fun. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV/1 On 8/19/13 at 12:23 PM, k...@icloud.com (Reginald J Mackey SR) wrote: 2m/440 is a vast waste land.. --- Bill Frantz|Security, like correctness, is| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |not an add-on feature. - Attr-| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |ibuted to Andrew Tanenbaum| Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] {KX1} - Begali Adventure mounted to a KX1 - video
For KX1 users who wonder what it would look like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZvKZ9aXCf4 73, Stan WB2LQF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] What is next from Elecraft?
Great idea. Next would be the Elecraft twins. What a station that would be! Blue skies, Tom KF5WBS On Aug 19, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Robert Jackson wb2...@verizon.net wrote: I have a suggestion for Elecraft. How about designing a receiver for the SWL crowd? They could use the receiver in the KX3 and add an AM synchronous detector. Regards, WB2BJW Bob Jackson Working __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Dear OMs and Yls, DSP helps us all but the analogue side of electronics will be with us for some time. Audio and RF are both analogue signals Amplifiers are needed and amplifiers often benefit from some filtering.The DAC and ADC are of course both digital and analogue.What we want is the optimum blend without any fixation on digital, analogue or computer processing. Many of us feel that Elecraft has got the GUI pretty well developed. The Flex Radio approach just does not suit all of us though perhaps we are as a hobby getting too long in the tooth. Always be ready to investigate new approaches but let us not be too insistent on DSP over all other approaches. 73 Doug EI2CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Hi, No, no crystal filters in a pure SDR. But if they sampled after the 1st mixer but before the roofing filter bank, maybe. If Elecraft added demodulator software and an audio output to the P3 that's exactly what the combination would be. Being able to display and record a significant portion of the HF spectrum plus the ability to demodulate very wide modes such as wideband FM is what is expected from a more or less pure SDR. The remaining K3 analog front end including the RF filters, attenuator and preamp would go a long way to make the A/D converter having an easier way. AB2TC - Knut k6dgw wrote I could use some education here please: snip If the K3 sampled at the 8MHz 1st IF, after the analog roofing filters [i.e. RF amp and 1st mixer only], would it make the K3 a real SDR in the eyes of those who don't see it that way now? snip again -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-whats-next-from-Elecraft-tp7577832p7577918.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
And, it gets more vaster and wastier as you go up in Hz from there. PEH's iPad On Aug 19, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Reginald J Mackey SR k...@icloud.com wrote: 2m/440 is a vast waste land.. Reggie K6xr Ham Radio Since 1955 DXCC, RCC, WAZ QRP IS KING On Aug 19, 2013, at 11:41 AM, w0...@aol.com wrote: Eric/Wayne ... Totally asinine idea, why enter a cheap market with a jillion competitors? In a message dated 8/19/2013 1:30:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net writes: Message: 12 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:50:10 -0700 From: Stephen Selberg ke6...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft Message-ID: CAGL1PW3F1u9itcO7C=cwvo0usqfqnhjrh9iuc8nyxfg5uwk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft 2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy one. Hopefully the Elecraft gods are listening. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] What is next from Elecraft?
There is already an SWL receiver available ... it is the K3-10 with the general coverage bandpass filter - just disable the low power amplifier. It already includes an AM synchronous detector and offers the choice of 13, 6 and 2.8 KHz first IF filters. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On Aug 19, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Robert Jackson wb2...@verizon.net wrote: I have a suggestion for Elecraft. How about designing a receiver forthe SWL crowd? They could use the receiver in the KX3 and add an AM synchronous detector. Regards, WB2BJW Bob Jackson Working __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Excessively long quotes when replying to list
And some who append silly quotations to the end of their message . Who really reads those canned quotes and who really cares what device was used to send the message? Or the really interesting fact that you fat fingered your smartphone or whatever and maybe made some typos ??? But please, please save me from the unending 'Sorry for the Bandwidth'... F5VJC On 19 August 2013 00:26, Dennis L. Haarsager haarsa...@gmail.com wrote: Would be great if, when replying to a post on this list, you snip out all but the one post to which you're replying. This would be a great courtesy to those of us who follow the list using the Digest option. A couple posts in this afternoon's digest quoted 20-some deep into a previous digest and made it difficult to find numbered posts of interest. Thanks and 73, Dennis Haarsager, N7DH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
In fact about all that is included in direct conversion SDR is basic BP filter and possibly a preamp/attenuator. Not sure on those FUN-cube dongle receivers. 73, Ed - KL7UW ==snip== I'm not familiar with the other Software Defined Radios out there, but I'll bet that nearly all of them do some kind of analog pre-filtering, then do the heavy lifting in software. -- Lynn 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com dubus...@gmail.com Kits made by KL7UW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
I'm sure Ron AC7AC's ideas were somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but think of the possibilities, all within reach: 1. Voice operated - K3, go to 14313 USB, tune the antenna, and set output power at 100 watts 2. Voice recognition - the K3 scans the bands looking for a SSB signal, then detects the operator's call sign. 3. Content filtering (aka Snowden mode) - same as 2 above, but the K3 stops if it hears a call sign from a list input by the operator. 4. Cognitive radio - the K3 scans the bands for a signal, then determines its characteristics (CW/USB/LSB/AM/FM, digital details) and set itself up to match. 5. Heads-up display. 73 Don NA6Z Y'all are thinking too small. I expect that the next generation will be voice operated, to be followed by a rig that won't require any input from the Ham. Since you are the licensee, it will just text you with a summary of the QSO's that it made on your behalf each day. But then, one day, we'll be able to apply for licenses and take the exams on-line so the rig log on and get the license and we humans won't have to bother ourselves with what the rig is doing. 73, Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
You could do #5 today if you happened to have Google Glass and some (um, a lot of) spare time. :) -- Phil kj6pon On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Don Putnick don.n...@earthlink.net wrote: 5. Heads-up display. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Voice recognition is just so yesterday. Think of the radio as simple set of extended senses and peripheral extensions controlled by the autonomic nervous system ... Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Don Putnick don.n...@earthlink.net wrote: I'm sure Ron AC7AC's ideas were somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but think of the possibilities, all within reach: 1. Voice operated - K3, go to 14313 USB, tune the antenna, and set output power at 100 watts 2. Voice recognition - the K3 scans the bands looking for a SSB signal, then detects the operator's call sign. 3. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Item .5: source 'DX countries' 'logbook' | grep 'unconfirmed' 'DX needed Item .6:if 'callsign' true /usr/make_noise fi: exit 0 ;o) No I'm not a programmer, but you can get the gist of it. It's almost that easy already. Rick wa6nhc -Original Message- From: Don Putnick I'm sure Ron AC7AC's ideas were somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but think of the possibilities, all within reach: 1. Voice operated - K3, go to 14313 USB, tune the antenna, and set output power at 100 watts 2. Voice recognition - the K3 scans the bands looking for a SSB signal, then detects the operator's call sign. 3. Content filtering (aka Snowden mode) - same as 2 above, but the K3 stops if it hears a call sign from a list input by the operator. 4. Cognitive radio - the K3 scans the bands for a signal, then determines its characteristics (CW/USB/LSB/AM/FM, digital details) and set itself up to match. 5. Heads-up display. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I think, darn I hate that, that the correct answer is a dual band module for the KX3. It is already the size of a HT, come on. I would give up the higher power for a good 1-2 watt 2/440 transverter and IT would be GREAT. Mel, K6KBE From: w0...@aol.com w0...@aol.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 Eric/Wayne ... Totally asinine idea, why enter a cheap market with a jillion competitors? In a message dated 8/19/2013 1:30:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net writes: Message: 12 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:50:10 -0700 From: Stephen Selberg ke6...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft Message-ID: CAGL1PW3F1u9itcO7C=cwvo0usqfqnhjrh9iuc8nyxfg5uwk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft 2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy one. Hopefully the Elecraft gods are listening. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I'd say the knobs will get in the way when trying to hang it on your belt. It would need some kind of box to protect knobs/buttons and the display. Oh is it waterproof or does it float? 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/19/2013 22:19, Mel Farrer wrote: I think, darn I hate that, that the correct answer is a dual band module for the KX3. It is already the size of a HT, come on. I would give up the higher power for a good 1-2 watt 2/440 transverter and IT would be GREAT. Mel, K6KBE From: w0...@aol.com w0...@aol.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 Eric/Wayne ... Totally asinine idea, why enter a cheap market with a jillion competitors? In a message dated 8/19/2013 1:30:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net writes: Message: 12 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:50:10 -0700 From: Stephen Selberg ke6...@gmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft Message-ID: CAGL1PW3F1u9itcO7C=cwvo0usqfqnhjrh9iuc8nyxfg5uwk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Giving the high quality of Elecraft products, and the phenomenal customer service, not to mention the made in the USA stamp, I think an Elecraft 2m/440 HT would be a huge success. I know I would be one of those people camping out in front of the store for a week just be first in line to buy one. Hopefully the Elecraft gods are listening. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3211/6090 - Release Date: 08/19/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3211/6090 - Release Date: 08/19/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
It would be competing with the likes of this: http://www.amazon.com/Baofeng-UV5RA-136-174-Dual-Band-Transceiver/dp/B009MAKWC0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1376951738sr=8-2keywords=baofeng Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Big Bear Lake, CA -Original Message- From: Mel Farrer Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:19 PM To: w0...@aol.com ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 I think, darn I hate that, that the correct answer is a dual band module for the KX3. It is already the size of a HT, come on. I would give up the higher power for a good 1-2 watt 2/440 transverter and IT would be GREAT. Mel, K6KBE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Front Panel
Thanks for all the responses. The new K3 was way out of calibration and I think it was done by me accidentally. I recalibrated both K3’s in a 80 F deg room. The old one with no sub running around 37 C and the new one 39 C after over an hour powered on. 73 Mike K4PI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
On 8/19/2013 2:15 PM, Don Putnick wrote: I'm sure Ron AC7AC's ideas were somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but think of the possibilities, all within reach: 1. Voice operated - K3, go to 14313 USB, tune the antenna, and set output power at 100 watts Followed by the next enhancement where the K3 replies in an overly-calm, lower pitched voice, I'm sorry Don, I can't do that. :-) I programmed PF1 to be SPKR PH on/off when I first got my K3 [#642]. I use it all the time. When Dick came out with the frequency memory editor, I programmed a bunch in, including 60m CW and SSB, WWV's, NMC wefax, and all of KSM/KPH frequencies. I've never used them since. I can't think of a K3 feature that might change my on-air life that isn't already there, even if I don't know how to use it. I don't think I'm alone. And voice recognition has a ways to go. The perky female voice on the phone says, Thank you for calling Giant Crowbar Towing. How can I help you. I need a tow truck I didn't understand, say 'customer service', or 'billing' I said I need a tow truck to come get my $%@** truck. I didn't understand, do you need the accounting department? Let me talk to your CEO I don't understand 'CEO' can you use another word? Yes I can but you don't want to hear it 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Excessively long quotes when replying to list
End of thread. Let's close this thread now in the interest of reducing list traffic overload. Eric elecraft.com _..._ On Aug 19, 2013, at 2:06 PM, F5vjc foxfive@gmail.com wrote: And some who append silly quotations to the end of their message . Who really reads those canned quotes and who really cares what device was used to send the message? Or the really interesting fact that you fat fingered your smartphone or whatever and maybe made some typos ??? But please, please save me from the unending 'Sorry for the Bandwidth'... F5VJC On 19 August 2013 00:26, Dennis L. Haarsager haarsa...@gmail.com wrote: Would be great if, when replying to a post on this list, you snip out all but the one post to which you're replying. This would be a great courtesy to those of us who follow the list using the Digest option. A couple posts in this afternoon's digest quoted 20-some deep into a previous digest and made it difficult to find numbered posts of interest. Thanks and 73, Dennis Haarsager, N7DH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
Folks, let's end the handie talkie thread. and please do not criticize the rudely postings of others. Several posts in this thread have been inappropriate and outside of the list guidelines. Eric List Moderator elecraft.com _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit
I just discovered by accident that my KX3 will xmit out of the ham bands. Is this able to be locked so I can't do that? I confirmed it was really transmitting using another radio. I didn't try voice, just a CW tune by accident. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
Typo. The second sentence should read: And please do not rudely criticize the postings of others. Eric elecraft.com _..._ On Aug 19, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com wrote: Folks, let's end the handie talkie thread. and please do not criticize the rudely postings of others. Several posts in this thread have been inappropriate and outside of the list guidelines. Eric List Moderator __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit
I believe thats so people who do MARS work can operate.. learn to monitor yourself thats part of being a ham... Locking the firmware would be wrong. this is not just a ham transceiver. its a full op transceiver.. -- R.Neese KB3VGW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] What is next from Elecraft?
Perhaps the next new thing isn#x27;t a thing but a new way to get products to the market. Little add ons like 2meter modules will have a small incremental revenue but not generate the dollars for developing products. Let#x27;s say Elecraft does 10 to 12 million a year in gross sales. I would assume a hefty pre-tax profit of 2.5 million on those sales. So now what are we going to do with 2.5 mill. By now the company should be debt free so no debt pay down is needed. OK we need to keep building cash reserves etc so let say we have 2mill for product development. . Lets look at the New Flex offerings. Based on my past experiences the cost through first production units of the new Flex could be as high a 1mill. These costs would include tooling, prototypes, field testing, marketing etc. Ok let us do a 1mill product. So let#x27;s say that Elecraft has 1mill left over to put into new enhancements of old products. Now comes the hard choices. Do I spend the money adding tricks to old products hoping to keep the revenue growing or do I find other ways to market the products and just sell lots more of them. Perhaps shrinking margins. Basically one has to answer the question what do we want to be when we grow up. Hey, 25% pre tax nothing to sneeze about and Elecraft could stay that way for a good 5 years. But the electronics business is a shark infested industry and there are a couple of old saying I going to use here. If you stand still, you will fall behind.If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got. George, W6GF PS All of this is my wild ### guessing I do not know Elecraft sales or profits!! And for you purests out there no I did not considered multi year projects tax loss carry foward, currency,cost, inflation, obsolete parts. And by the way obsolete parts could cost the company dearly. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit
I didn't ask to be taught how to operate. I didn't criticize that it CAN transmit out of band, or that it was a bad thing. I understand the uses for xmitting out of band. I asked if there was a feature to lock it into ham bands that can be OPTIONALLY enabled. Get off your high horse. On Aug 19, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Richard Neese kb3...@gmail.com wrote: I believe thats so people who do MARS work can operate.. learn to monitor yourself thats part of being a ham... Locking the firmware would be wrong. this is not just a ham transceiver. its a full op transceiver.. -- R.Neese KB3VGW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] What is next from Elecraft?
I may be in the minority but I would like another high end kit that will provide as much fun and satisfaction as the K2 gave me. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2013, at 10:03 PM, george fritkin georgefrit...@yahoo.com wrote: Perhaps the next new thing isn#x27;t a thing but a new way to get products to the market. Little add ons like 2meter modules will have a small incremental revenue but not generate the dollars for developing products. Let#x27;s say Elecraft does 10 to 12 million a year in gross sales. I would assume a hefty pre-tax profit of 2.5 million on those sales. So now what are we going to do with 2.5 mill. By now the company should be debt free so no debt pay down is needed. OK we need to keep building cash reserves etc so let say we have 2mill for product development. . Lets look at the New Flex offerings. Based on my past experiences the cost through first production units of the new Flex could be as high a 1mill. These costs would include tooling, prototypes, field testing, marketing etc. Ok let us do a 1mill product. So let#x27;s say that Elecraft has 1mill left over to put into new enhancements of old products. Now comes the hard choices. Do I spend the money adding tricks to old products hoping to keep the revenue growing or do I find other ways to market the products and just sell lots more of them. Perhaps shrinking margins. Basically one has to answer the question what do we want to be when we grow up. Hey, 25% pre tax nothing to sneeze about and Elecraft could stay that way for a good 5 years. But the electronics business is a shark infested industry and there are a couple of old saying I going to use here. If you stand still, you will fall behind.If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got. George, W6GF PS All of this is my wild ### guessing I do not know Elecraft sales or profits!! And for you purests out there no I did not considered multi year projects tax loss carry foward, currency,cost, inflation, obsolete parts. And by the way obsolete parts could cost the company dearly. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [KX3] 2M module XVTR amp
Since we have some time to wait, I was wondering if I could get some advice on any available amps that could be used to boost the 1mW projected output of the KX3's upcoming 2M module to higher power levels. I could use this on my Flex 6700 2M radio as well. Either something to drive a larger amp, so between 1 and 5 watts, or even more. Does anyone have any good recommendations? Chris K6OZY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Remove my name
Please remove my name and call from this reflector. Thank you. Frank Meacher KQ4FM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit
Out of band means different things in each of more than a hundred countries, so it is a lot of work to put that in firmware. Handy, but very tedious, and it would probably delay other features. I wouldn't mind band edge beeps myself, I am a bit absent-minded about that. wunder K6WRU On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Chris Johnson wrote: I didn't ask to be taught how to operate. I didn't criticize that it CAN transmit out of band, or that it was a bad thing. I understand the uses for xmitting out of band. I asked if there was a feature to lock it into ham bands that can be OPTIONALLY enabled. Get off your high horse. On Aug 19, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Richard Neese kb3...@gmail.com wrote: I believe thats so people who do MARS work can operate.. learn to monitor yourself thats part of being a ham... Locking the firmware would be wrong. this is not just a ham transceiver. its a full op transceiver.. -- R.Neese KB3VGW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit
That's a good idea, especially if I can set them myself. A text warning on the display would be nice too. -- Lynn On 8/19/2013 8:14 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: I wouldn't mind band edge beeps myself, I am a bit absent-minded about that. wunder K6WRU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Front Panel
right side panel is 38c,,, ( where two regulators are) and that is with the radio somewhat enclosed in a cabinet... At 03:13 PM 8/19/2013, Paul VanOveren wrote: Mike, my K3 w/sub rx, at start up, the Front Panel is 15C and the PA temp is 28, how does yours compare? PaulNF8J On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Mike Harris mike.har...@horizon.co.fkwrote: 61C is not very warm it is too hot to touch. How does it compare by finger with the other unit? My K3 with sub RX regularly runs at 36 37C. Turn the K3 off, let it cool, turn it on with the FP temp display on, how does it compare with room temp. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 19/08/2013 12:17, Mike Greenway wrote: I just received a new K3 S/N 7604. I am noticing the front panel is running very warm. It has the second receiver installed so that might be a reason. I have another K3 without the second receiver and it is very cool with a reading of 36 C for the front panel but the new one is showing 61 C. The static PA temps compare. Is this a normal range for the K3 with a second RX? The radio are the same other than the 2 nd RX. Maybe some input from other users with the second RX. 73 Mike K4PI __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Paul VanOveren 5911 Snow Av Alto, Mi 49302 (616) 868-7149 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit
I can appreciate that. And I would not want it to delay other features. But to compare to other radios, most are inverted in this operating method. They are locked into bands of their localization and require either modification or proof of MARS license to open it.I'm not for locking it down either, and would be satisfied with band edge beeps. I have a blind ham that uses this radio quite a bit, and it would be optimize his operation of the radio. He is always having it announce VFO location because of the radio's openness to be extra careful. Chris K6OZY On Aug 19, 2013, at 8:14 PM, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org wrote: Out of band means different things in each of more than a hundred countries, so it is a lot of work to put that in firmware. Handy, but very tedious, and it would probably delay other features. I wouldn't mind band edge beeps myself, I am a bit absent-minded about that. wunder K6WRU On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Chris Johnson wrote: I didn't ask to be taught how to operate. I didn't criticize that it CAN transmit out of band, or that it was a bad thing. I understand the uses for xmitting out of band. I asked if there was a feature to lock it into ham bands that can be OPTIONALLY enabled. Get off your high horse. On Aug 19, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Richard Neese kb3...@gmail.com wrote: I believe thats so people who do MARS work can operate.. learn to monitor yourself thats part of being a ham... Locking the firmware would be wrong. this is not just a ham transceiver. its a full op transceiver.. -- R.Neese KB3VGW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Front Panel
Right after a cold startup, the temperature of both the Front Panel and the PA temperature should be close to the room ambient which should be close to 23 degC (assuming a room temperature of 73 degF). The temperature will increase from there. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/19/2013 11:28 PM, bill steffey NY9H wrote: right side panel is 38c,,, ( where two regulators are) and that is with the radio somewhat enclosed in a cabinet... At 03:13 PM 8/19/2013, Paul VanOveren wrote: Mike, my K3 w/sub rx, at start up, the Front Panel is 15C and the PA temp is 28, how does yours compare? PaulNF8J On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Mike Harris mike.har...@horizon.co.fkwrote: 61C is not very warm it is too hot to touch. How does it compare by finger with the other unit? My K3 with sub RX regularly runs at 36 37C. Turn the K3 off, let it cool, turn it on with the FP temp display on, how does it compare with room temp. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 19/08/2013 12:17, Mike Greenway wrote: I just received a new K3 S/N 7604. I am noticing the front panel is running very warm. It has the second receiver installed so that might be a reason. I have another K3 without the second receiver and it is very cool with a reading of 36 C for the front panel but the new one is showing 61 C. The static PA temps compare. Is this a normal range for the K3 with a second RX? The radio are the same other than the 2 nd RX. Maybe some input from other users with the second RX. 73 Mike K4PI __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Paul VanOveren 5911 Snow Av Alto, Mi 49302 (616) 868-7149 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit
Chris, That would be 'nice', but consider that not only the band limits of the various countries is involved, but domestically, the band limits depend on the operator's license class. Should this be extended to include the CW band limits for Technician hams, phone bands and CW bands for General Class, and full band coverage for Extra class licensees? As I see it, the request becomes complex. It is incumbent on any operator to restrict his/her operation to the frequencies limited by their country and their license class. Yes, such limits are possible. Elecraft sends a special file for those countries that require that the transmissions be locked down to the limits of that country. In countries that do not require that 'lock-down', it is up to the operator to stay within the bounds permitted by the license. I think we enjoy that freedom of self policing here in the US and many other countries. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/19/2013 11:37 PM, Chris Johnson wrote: I can appreciate that. And I would not want it to delay other features. But to compare to other radios, most are inverted in this operating method. They are locked into bands of their localization and require either modification or proof of MARS license to open it.I'm not for locking it down either, and would be satisfied with band edge beeps. I have a blind ham that uses this radio quite a bit, and it would be optimize his operation of the radio. He is always having it announce VFO location because of the radio's openness to be extra careful. Chris K6OZY On Aug 19, 2013, at 8:14 PM, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org wrote: Out of band means different things in each of more than a hundred countries, so it is a lot of work to put that in firmware. Handy, but very tedious, and it would probably delay other features. I wouldn't mind band edge beeps myself, I am a bit absent-minded about that. wunder K6WRU On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Chris Johnson wrote: I didn't ask to be taught how to operate. I didn't criticize that it CAN transmit out of band, or that it was a bad thing. I understand the uses for xmitting out of band. I asked if there was a feature to lock it into ham bands that can be OPTIONALLY enabled. Get off your high horse. On Aug 19, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Richard Neese kb3...@gmail.com wrote: I believe thats so people who do MARS work can operate.. learn to monitor yourself thats part of being a ham... Locking the firmware would be wrong. this is not just a ham transceiver. its a full op transceiver.. -- R.Neese KB3VGW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit
I really need out of band TX of KX3. In combination with the build in SWR meter it is a great help in antenna tuning process and saves me carrying MFJ 259 in expeditions. Besides it is the only antenna SWR meter that I can use on 160 and 80 meters in the vicinity of a powerful broadcasting station. I do not mind optionally locking TX when out of the ham bands. The problem being ham band limits are different in different countries. 73, Igor UA9CDC - Original Message - From: Chris Johnson k6...@arrl.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:30 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit I just discovered by accident that my KX3 will xmit out of the ham bands. Is this able to be locked so I can't do that? I confirmed it was really transmitting using another radio. I didn't try voice, just a CW tune by accident. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] What is next from Elecraft?
- Original Message - From: Brian Denley b.den...@comcast.net To: george fritkin georgefrit...@yahoo.com Cc: El elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] What is next from Elecraft? I may be in the minority but I would like another high end kit that will provide as much fun and satisfaction as the K2 gave me. Brian KB1VBF Elecraft makes other kits besides transceivers: dummy loads, baluns, RF signal sources, etc. What I would really like Elecraft to offer is a VNA kit patterned after the N2PK design. There would also be the opportunity to offer kit versions of the usual accessories normally used with a VNA, as well as single versus dual detectors. Please don't misunderstand me: I do plan to purchase the boards and parts to build my own VNA if Elecraft doesn't beat me to it. Check out n2pk-...@yahoogroups.com for more information on this subject. Or just Google N2PK VNA for lots of information and links. A potential deal breaker is the amount of inventory necessary for an intial production run of, say 100 to 1000 units. A market price near $500 for a basic VNA with the surface mount components re-flow soldered into place would probably sell like hot cakes, but a more realistic price might be closer to $1000. Clearly an in-depth market survey would be necessary before embarking on such a project, with initial units available perhaps two or three years from now if a go-ahead production decision were made. Except for the requirement for extremly low phase noise in the Master Oscillator, the N2PK VNA bears a close resemblence to the circuits used in the KX3! 73 de AC8NS Hop __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Fw: Out of Band Xmit
- Forwarded Message - From: Mark Petiford rv6am...@yahoo.com To: Igor Sokolov ua9...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit What am I missing here. In CW, my KX3 (US Kit build) rolls the power back and gives me the message, BND END when I try to transmit out of band. Usually takes a DIT or two before it realizes it. I admit, I can hear it in another receiver close by, but the output to the antenna is very low according to the KX3's power meter. Haven't measured it with an external watt meter yet, though. See the Owner's Manual, Pg 41 under Transmit, BND END: Attempt to transmit out of the allowed ham band. Mark KE6BB 73, Igor UA9CDC - Original Message - From: Chris Johnson k6...@arrl.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:30 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Out of Band Xmit I just discovered by accident that my KX3 will xmit out of the ham bands. Is this able to be locked so I can't do that? I confirmed it was really transmitting using another radio. I didn't try voice, just a CW tune by accident. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and whats next from Elecraft
Warning: rather long reply follows. If you don't care, or have your mind made up, please skip this email. Fred asked for some education, so here goes... I'm not an expert, but these are my personal ramblings from what I think that I have learned. If you don't agree, and the moderator doesn’t like this discussion here, maybe we can find another place to discuss? Or directly? Elecraft has done a WONDERFUL job taming the QSD/QSE mixers in the KX3. I LOVE MINE. I regularly tout it at meetings, including tonight. I think that I sold at least one KX3 and one K3 or another KX3. Having said that, the K3 and KX3 are subject to imperfections, just like any other analog circuitry. Yes, the KX3 uses a QSD with switches, but they have analog characteristics for an analog signal as well (on-state impedance, on/off switch times, off-state leakage, etc). The op amps that follow them aren't perfect either. There will be a little imbalance between the I and Q channels, either in amplitude or phase, due to component variations. Kind of like the old phasing SSB days. All these imperfections add up in a complex way, and need to be dealt with to reduce image issues, both on receive and transmit. The KX3 does a remarkable job handling this. That's just one set of problems with analog radio circuitry. The holy grail of SDR is to put the ADC as CLOSE to the antenna as possible. The reason is simple: the sooner you get the signal converted into the digital domain (represented by numbers), the fewer imperfections from analog world circuitry will affect that signal. A digital mixer just multiplies two numbers, for example, a LO represented by a set of numbers describing a sine wave, and an input signal, possibly from the ADC. Within reason (and decent design), the numbers CANNOT change due to component imperfections, therefore you will not see problems with a digital version of a mixer, where the resulting signal is sort-of, close-to, but not what you want. Two times two should always equal four, not 3.9 once, 4.1 the next time, etc, due to component drift, or other issues. Filters are a different issue, but still more consistent and reliably reproduced in DSP than in the analog world. So, how can we get the HF signal right into the ADC? That is tough, because the ADC itself has a limited dynamic range (and a generally poor noise figure). Most SDRs use 12-bit to 16-bit ADCs, and sample from 66MHz to 123MHz rates. Dr. Mitola suggests in a book that good HF reception requires at least 130dB of dynamic range. IIRC 130dB works out to about 22-bits of ADC conversion. 16-bit ADCs by themselves provide somewhat less than 96dB, 12-bit ADCs provide slightly less than 72dB. So, traditionally even the better SDRs needed some sort of filtering before the ADC - to hopefully reduce any strong out-of-band signals. This may not work great on some bands, like 40M, where strong MW broadcast stations often appear just above or just below the ham band. There is a trick that is real-world, and reliable, that can improve the dynamic range of an ADC, called oversampling, that provides processing gain. If you sample much faster than the signal of interest's frequency, and decimate those samples (throw out every so many samples), you can achieve additional dynamic range. I believe you gain roughly 6dB (or one ADC bit) every time you decimate by a factor of four. Up until recently, extremely fast and deep ADCs were too expensive for ham rigs, and it was hard to get more than about 20-24 dB processing gain. The new Flex 6000 series has a 16-bit ADC that samples at 245Ms/s. This allows them to have enough dynamic range to MAYBE not need filtering. Notice that they do have filters built into the radio, that can be enabled or disabled. Regardless, the main analog components in the 6000 series before the ADC are only filters (which should contribute negligible distortion to the signal of interest), and a preamp, also optionally in or out-of-circuit. I think even Flex has their fingers crossed regarding true dynamic range in the real world. Despite the comment on the Fun Cube Dongle Pro site, I doubt they have an actual 32-bit ADC. Even lower-frequency ADCs, such as in sound cards, do not achieve that level of success. In fact, I doubt that power supply noise, PC board layout, and many other factors prevent audio-frequency sound cards from achieving even the 24-bits that many claim. For RF at HF frequencies, 16-bit ADCs are about as good as it gets - that we can afford anyway. Don't get me wrong, a DDC/DUC-based radio CAN have serious issues as well. Overload (poor dynamic range), bad noise figure of the ADC, not lining up the sample values right (value overflow), and a host of other issues. Filtering can be just as tricky (or more) in the digital domain as in the analog world. And SDR hardware can be a pain to use and/or build. Anytime a computer
