Re: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request

[Hank Garretson]

Even better would be if someone could develop software to display logger
bandmap on the P3SVGA monitor.

73,

Hank, W6SX


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Vic Rosenthal  wrote:

Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station came back to
> you? The information is still there, sitting in the memory of the P3,
> scrolling down the waterfall. On a large monitor it is there for a long
> time. What if you could click on a spot on the screen with a mouse and play
> it back? Instant replay!
>
> Vic K2VCO/4X6GP
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request

[Bill Frantz]

This is exactly the effect you get with cocoModem on PSK. Click 
on the waterfall and everything from then to now is decoded, 
possibly again. With two decoding windows (like VFOs), I 
generally tune around with both but use both to decode while 
making a QSO. The slightly different decoding frequencies (1-2 
Hz at most) give complimentary results.


I would love to have this feature in any system with a waterfall.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 12/11/14 at 9:28 PM, k2vco@gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) wrote:

Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station 
came back to you? The information is still there, sitting in 
the memory of the P3, scrolling down the waterfall. On a large 
monitor it is there for a long time. What if you could click on 
a spot on the screen with a mouse and play it back? Instant replay!

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request

[Vic Rosenthal]

If we are in the realm of science fiction, here is what I want (after my flying 
car):

Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station came back to you? 
The information is still there, sitting in the memory of the P3, scrolling down 
the waterfall. On a large monitor it is there for a long time. What if you 
could click on a spot on the screen with a mouse and play it back? Instant 
replay!

Vic K2VCO/4X6GP 

> On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:15 AM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Asking for new features seems to have become common, you'd think Wayne 
> was Santa Claus and the employees were his elves.  I'd like to weigh in 
> with one for me ...
> 
> I've gotten a bit active in NTS, I even agreed to NCS one night a week. 
>  I was very active in NTS in the mid-50's as a teenager.  My P3 is 
> really cool for picking working frequencies up and down.  However, I'm 
> having a problem remembering where I send who for what.  I'd like a 
> feature that would put a tag with a call sign on the signal when I send 
> someone up or down for traffic.  This shouldn't be too hard. ;-))  I'm 
> willing to type the call, although picking it out of my Notepad notes 
> would be icing on the cake.
> 
> I'll leave cookies, milk, and a Corona out Christmas Eve, take your pick.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred K6DGW
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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 11/23/2014

[Phil Shepard]

Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from November 23, 2014.  We had 
23 participants.  

Station NameQTH Rig S/N

KC5RY   George  TX  KX3 6291QRP
K4GCJ   Gerry   NC  K3  1597
AE6JV   BillCA  K3  6299
W7JJL   JohnWA  KX3 993
NC0JW   Jim CO  KX3 1356
KF5YBE  Lee TX  KX3 1484
KC0XT   David   CA  KX3 6980
W0CZKen ND  KX3 4275
VE3XM   Bob ON  K3  409
KF5IMA  Bruce   MS  K2  3575
WB9JNZ  EricIL  K3  4017
N6LEW   Lew CA  K3  3805
QRP
KC9LIF  KentIL  K2  6896
QRP
K7BIE   Jim AZ  K3  7992
KD4PS   DaveIL  KX3 3389QRP
K1NWBrian   RI  K3  4974
KK4QDZ  BillNC  KX3 4515
KE7HGE  Ken WA  KX3 4540
QRP
NJ6LNeilCA  K3  4601
W2RWA   DickNY  K3  2603
W9JFB   Jim IL  KX3 1411
QRP
N6CY/m  RichCA  K3  1736
NS7PPhilOR  K3  1826

73,
Phil, NS7P
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[Elecraft] KAT500 AUTO vs MAN mode

[Chad WE9V]

So I got my new KAT500 yesterday, and got it all trained to each of the
segments, without reading a single reflector post on the subject (pat own
back).  Start operating and finding that it wants to tune again in the
middle of a QSO (CW or SSB).  (Even when the bypass SWR is 1.5)  I wrote up
a big post to my local club to ask for help there first, when someone says
that's common operation.  Need to run in MAN mode, not AUTO.

Came here to the reflector archives (I'm not a regular reader) to see lots
of suggestions to run in MAN mode.

To me, this sounds like a band-aid workaround.  Why do users (and Elecraft)
think that running in MAN mode is the acceptable mode of operation?  I'd
like to suggest that this is a bug that is in need of firmware
improvement.  If I start a QSO with fine SWR, even on an antenna with less
than 1.8:1 SWR, at no point during the QSO should I be in need of a retune,
have the KPA500 go into keying bypass mode, and be left with 30 watts out
or less due to it trying to tune on every dit and dah.

Can this please be fixed so the KAT500 can be left in AUTO mode and only
initiate a retune when the SWR is truly above the retune threshold?

Respectfully,
Chad WE9V
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[David Gilbert]

Agree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery

In fact, I just ordered one to use externally with my K1 for some 
planned future Summits-On-The-Air activities.


73,
Dave   AB7E



On 12/10/2014 9:08 PM, Steve Roberts wrote:

Life-PO is the only way to go




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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Bill Turner]

 ORIGINAL MESSAGE (may be snipped)

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:20:35 -0600, you wrote:

>
>Glad you weren't hurt - whew! It might be a good idea to report your 
>experience to the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

REPLY:

I was just about to suggest that myself. Please don't let this go
unreported. 

73, Bill W6WRT
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[David Gilbert]

That's the part lots of people here don't seem to understand.  There is 
inherent jeopardy in having lots of stored energy in a small volume, 
coupled with a low enough internal resistance that allows very high 
current to flow in either direction ... both of which are the case for 
Li-ion batteries.  All reputable Li-ion batteries have control circuitry 
that limits charge/discharge levels to reasonable levels.  If that 
circuitry goes bad, or doesn't exist in the first place, bad things can 
happen.  It's the nature of the beast, and isn't limited to Li-ion 
batteries.  Put enough energy into a small enough space and we have the 
potential equivalent of a bomb, period.


73,
Dave   AB7E



On 12/10/2014 6:20 PM, Al Gulseth wrote:


There are downsides to packing more and more energy into smaller spaces.

73, Al


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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Steve Roberts]

Life-PO is the only way to go




Sent from Samsung tablet.


 Original message 
From: Fred Jensen  
Date: 12/10/2014  21:42  (GMT-05:00) 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries 

On 12/10/2014 6:00 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> Any chemists on-board? Curious as to what the exact chemical process is
> that causes such a powerful state change. Hard to believe that something
> so dangerous and volatile is inside so many things we carry around in
> our pockets.

Charging [or discharging] batteries creates heat.  Most everything 
[except fruitcake] will eventually become reactive in ways we don't 
enjoy if you create enough heat.  Things early in the first column of 
the periodic table don't require much heat.  Fruitcake never explodes.

I've discovered a fundamental law:

if(isabattery(the_thing) && isfromchina(source_of_the_thing))
{
dontbuyit();
}

My first experience with batteries-from-China occurred when I married my 
wife in 1967.  A wedding gift was a wall clock.  We unpacked it in our 
new apartment in So. Houston, installed the included Chinese 1.5V 
carbon-zinc dry cell, and hung it on the wall.  About 2 months later, 
she asked me, "What's that running down the wall from the clock?"  The 
battery was a "Flying Bomb" brand, I'm not making this up, which should 
have been a clue, alas ... I was newly married and focused on other things.

It's like PL-259's ... if it's not Amphenol, don't waste your money, 
although so far, cheap PL-259's do not have a record of exploding.  I 
learned during my engineering career that quality is built-in by the 
manufacturing process.  You may find a good Chinese battery, but it may 
take a few explosions/fires before you do.

I'm glad he's OK.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Tune Memory and Power Failure Restart

[Phil Hystad]

Fred,

Thanks for the comments.

I know more than I did before but I still do not know exactly what happened.  I 
am now thinking that it is the antenna's fault as much as the loss of power or 
more so or at least a party to the crime.

My bypass SWRs are anywhere close to what they were before so the wind has 
caused a problem with the antenna match I think.  Too dark to check tonight so 
have to wait until tomorrow.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Dec 10, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> 
> On 12/10/2014 6:46 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> 
>> 1.  Is it normal behavior to lose saved memory values of tuned
>> positions.  I checked other spots and nothing is saved on the entire
>> 80-meter band — I mean, I had high-SWR on all of my 20 KHz sections.
> 
> It doesn't sound like normal behavior, I imagine they're in EEPROM or 
> something like that.
>> 
>> 2.  Or, is there something else happening.  I have heard that the
>> K3/KAT500 combo gets messed up if the K3 comes alive before the
>> KAT500.  Is that possibly what happened here?  I was not in the room
>> when this happened so I am assuming that power on startup was a race
>> and I am thinking that the KAT500 might be first but I don’t know.
> 
> I once fired up the K3 ahead of the KAT500, and while it didn't lose its 
> mind, things didn't work right.  Removing power [really pulling the plugs] 
> and restoring it with KAT500 ahead of K3 solved the problem.  I'm pretty sure 
> that the K-Line is like everything else in this house that runs on 
> electricity, "off" isn't really all the way to "OFF."
>> 
>> 3.  I am assuming I have to reprogram all my memory locations for all
>> three of my antennas (80/40/30 meter dipoles).
> 
> It is human nature to assume the worst when often it's a lot simpler. I'd try 
> the "real OFF" thing first and re-power in the right order.  Our low 
> impedance/hi-current 21st century gear uses very large capacitors so give 
> everything a chance to discharge.  The KAT500 Utility will let you look at 
> the current L-C values in the L-network for wherever the tuner thinks it is 
> tuned, you might try moving through a band and see if they change as you QSY 
> ... or are perhaps all zero?
> 
> The Pineapple Express is moving into NorCal tonite, we're on a 69 KV tie line 
> that runs through our pasture between two hydroelectric plants and we don't 
> lose power very often, but just in case I think I'll pull the plug on 
> everything before I head for bed.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Tune Memory and Power Failure Restart

[Fred Jensen]

On 12/10/2014 6:46 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:


1.  Is it normal behavior to lose saved memory values of tuned
positions.  I checked other spots and nothing is saved on the entire
80-meter band — I mean, I had high-SWR on all of my 20 KHz sections.


It doesn't sound like normal behavior, I imagine they're in EEPROM or 
something like that.


2.  Or, is there something else happening.  I have heard that the
K3/KAT500 combo gets messed up if the K3 comes alive before the
KAT500.  Is that possibly what happened here?  I was not in the room
when this happened so I am assuming that power on startup was a race
and I am thinking that the KAT500 might be first but I don’t know.


I once fired up the K3 ahead of the KAT500, and while it didn't lose its 
mind, things didn't work right.  Removing power [really pulling the 
plugs] and restoring it with KAT500 ahead of K3 solved the problem.  I'm 
pretty sure that the K-Line is like everything else in this house that 
runs on electricity, "off" isn't really all the way to "OFF."


3.  I am assuming I have to reprogram all my memory locations for all
three of my antennas (80/40/30 meter dipoles).


It is human nature to assume the worst when often it's a lot simpler. 
I'd try the "real OFF" thing first and re-power in the right order.  Our 
low impedance/hi-current 21st century gear uses very large capacitors so 
give everything a chance to discharge.  The KAT500 Utility will let you 
look at the current L-C values in the L-network for wherever the tuner 
thinks it is tuned, you might try moving through a band and see if they 
change as you QSY ... or are perhaps all zero?


The Pineapple Express is moving into NorCal tonite, we're on a 69 KV tie 
line that runs through our pasture between two hydroelectric plants and 
we don't lose power very often, but just in case I think I'll pull the 
plug on everything before I head for bed.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Tune Memory and Power Failure Restart

[Phil Hystad]

Regarding my questions below...

I was reminded that the KAT500 utility has a save feature which I did dutifully 
use after I set all my memory tune spots.

I have now restored my saved configurations.

But, I would still like to know if this is the normal behavior -- that is, a 
loss of power means loss of memory meaning that the memory for the KAT500 is 
totally volatile??  I am pretty sure I have unplugged the equipment at times 
and have not lost anything so I am still confused of what is normal behavior on 
a power loss.

73, phil, K7PEH



> On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Phil Hystad  wrote:
> 
> So, besides the nice warm weather (64 degrees today) we have a bit of gusty 
> winds in the greater Seattle (Puget Sound) area tonight.  I lost power ever 
> so briefly, about 2 seconds maybe, during dinner at 5:45 PM.  But, enough to 
> cause restart of all the equipment except for laptop and other battery 
> operated things and battery backup saved iMac-24 from a restart.
> 
> I get on a CW Net at 6:30 PM (just a few minutes ago) and realized that my 
> KAT500 tuned memory sections were out of whack.  In fact, gone as if they did 
> not exist.  Doing a retune took the longest time of clicking relays and SWR 
> racing all over the place as if the match was being searched from minus 
> infinity.
> 
> This may be he first time I have had such a situation since I got the KAT500 
> and I was one of the early adopters.
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1.  Is it normal behavior to lose saved memory values of tuned positions.  I 
> checked other spots and nothing is saved on the entire 80-meter band — I 
> mean, I had high-SWR on all of my 20 KHz sections.
> 
> 2.  Or, is there something else happening.  I have heard that the K3/KAT500 
> combo gets messed up if the K3 comes alive before the KAT500.  Is that 
> possibly what happened here?  I was not in the room when this happened so I 
> am assuming that power on startup was a race and I am thinking that the 
> KAT500 might be first but I don’t know.
> 
> 3.  I am assuming I have to reprogram all my memory locations for all three 
> of my antennas (80/40/30 meter dipoles).
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
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[Elecraft] KAT500 Tune Memory and Power Failure Restart

[Phil Hystad]

So, besides the nice warm weather (64 degrees today) we have a bit of gusty 
winds in the greater Seattle (Puget Sound) area tonight.  I lost power ever so 
briefly, about 2 seconds maybe, during dinner at 5:45 PM.  But, enough to cause 
restart of all the equipment except for laptop and other battery operated 
things and battery backup saved iMac-24 from a restart.

I get on a CW Net at 6:30 PM (just a few minutes ago) and realized that my 
KAT500 tuned memory sections were out of whack.  In fact, gone as if they did 
not exist.  Doing a retune took the longest time of clicking relays and SWR 
racing all over the place as if the match was being searched from minus 
infinity.

This may be he first time I have had such a situation since I got the KAT500 
and I was one of the early adopters.

Questions:

1.  Is it normal behavior to lose saved memory values of tuned positions.  I 
checked other spots and nothing is saved on the entire 80-meter band — I mean, 
I had high-SWR on all of my 20 KHz sections.

2.  Or, is there something else happening.  I have heard that the K3/KAT500 
combo gets messed up if the K3 comes alive before the KAT500.  Is that possibly 
what happened here?  I was not in the room when this happened so I am assuming 
that power on startup was a race and I am thinking that the KAT500 might be 
first but I don’t know.

3.  I am assuming I have to reprogram all my memory locations for all three of 
my antennas (80/40/30 meter dipoles).

73, phil, K7PEH
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Fred Jensen]

On 12/10/2014 6:00 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:

Any chemists on-board? Curious as to what the exact chemical process is
that causes such a powerful state change. Hard to believe that something
so dangerous and volatile is inside so many things we carry around in
our pockets.


Charging [or discharging] batteries creates heat.  Most everything 
[except fruitcake] will eventually become reactive in ways we don't 
enjoy if you create enough heat.  Things early in the first column of 
the periodic table don't require much heat.  Fruitcake never explodes.


I've discovered a fundamental law:

if(isabattery(the_thing) && isfromchina(source_of_the_thing))
{
dontbuyit();
}

My first experience with batteries-from-China occurred when I married my 
wife in 1967.  A wedding gift was a wall clock.  We unpacked it in our 
new apartment in So. Houston, installed the included Chinese 1.5V 
carbon-zinc dry cell, and hung it on the wall.  About 2 months later, 
she asked me, "What's that running down the wall from the clock?"  The 
battery was a "Flying Bomb" brand, I'm not making this up, which should 
have been a clue, alas ... I was newly married and focused on other things.


It's like PL-259's ... if it's not Amphenol, don't waste your money, 
although so far, cheap PL-259's do not have a record of exploding.  I 
learned during my engineering career that quality is built-in by the 
manufacturing process.  You may find a good Chinese battery, but it may 
take a few explosions/fires before you do.


I'm glad he's OK.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Dick Dickinson]

.film at 11..?

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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Any chemists on-board? Curious as to what the exact chemical process is 
that causes such a powerful state change. Hard to believe that something 
so dangerous and volatile is inside so many things we carry around in 
our pockets.


I guess my mistake was getting a pack that did not have any sort of 
protection circuit in it.  I don't recommend my personal method of 
discovering the need for them!  I was assuming the charger knew what it 
was doing.  Never will I trust that thing again.


73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 12/10/2014 6:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Wed,12/10/2014 3:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion 
battery packs.


All Li-Ion packs are not created equal. Charging rates depend upon 
capacity, and proper Li-Ion packs have built-in protection modules. 
Study batteryspace.com to get a handle how these things are built.  
This company is "the American partner" of a small battery mfr in 
China. The Chinese company manufactures the cells, the American 
company puts them in packs with protection circuitry and suitable 
connectors, and does the marketing.


My neighbor, W6GJB, bought one of their bigger LiFe 12V packs. Looks 
quite solid.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 bamdswutching

[Hank P]

Get a KPA500 - you get bandswitch buttons thrown in for free. 
Then I have M1-M4  set up modes wise on each band 


At my age I cannot remember which K3 number is which band.
Now I just peck the band buttons on the KPA.  

K7HP 

I have my K3 set for Quick Memories, and use that for band switching.  I 
run with the CONFIG:MEM0-9 set to BAND SEL.  If you set it to NOR, it 
will not change to the last used frequency but will behave just like any 
other 00 - 99 memory.


I use the Quick Memories for band switching (and seldom touch the 
BAND^/V button.  Additionally, I have set the M1-M4 memories for each 
band.  M1 takes me to the mid-CW segment of that band, M2 takes me to a 
mid-frequency for the SSB segment, and M3 takes me to the correct 
frequency for PSK Data mode operation on that band (I don't currently 
use M4).


So I use the Quick Memories to take me to a particular band, then use 
the M1-M4 memories to navigate to a particular fixed frequency band 
segment and operating mode.


I have the Quick Memories set to BAND SEL so if I hear something I might 
be interested in on the band I am tuned to at the moment, but want to 
check another band - when I come back to the original band, I am set to 
the last frequency used and can continue with that 'interesting' station.


YMMV, but you *can* set the quick memories to go to a specific 
frequency, mode, etc.  You just have to change the MEM 0-9 menu 
parameter to "NOR" - but then those memories behave just like any other 
memory slot - they will not be "Quick Memories".


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/10/2014 2:25 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
I'm not sure that my gripe is "on the list", although I've mentioned 
it several times in other postings.


So maybe Elecraft can take this as a PIP (Performance Improvement 
Proposal/Program).


The memory management in the K3 is, to be kind, awful.

Things one believes are written to memory aren't. A really pet peeve 
is using the M1-M4 to save per-mode settings on each band. For example 
CW, SSB, AFSK A and DATA A.  If I set preferred BW for AFSK A of 400 
HZ and store it in M4 and set 2 KHz for DATA A and store it in M3, 
then immediately recall M4, the BW will be what I just saved in M3. In 
other words, the BW isn't really saved despite the manual saying, "The 
K3 has 100 general-purpose memories (00-99), plus per-band memories 
(M1-M4 on each band). Each memory holds VFO A and B frequencies, 
modes, filter presets, antenna selection, and other settings"


The manual goes on to say, "Memories 00-09 are quick memories, 
accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a 
starting point in each of 10 ham bands."  Not even close.  If I use 
the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the 
memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band 
changed.  The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you 
were on that band.


So could we please have a firmware change that makes memories actually 
remember---and recall---what was stored in them?  My 13 year, at the 
time I acquired the K3, Kenwood TS-870 did this flawlessly.


Wes  N7WS


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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Which part?  That my shop is a machine shop - or that Li-Io batteries 
could potentially kill you?



Sorry, but I find this kinda hard to digest.
73 Milverton. / W9MMS






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[Elecraft] K3 Paddle RTTY

[Bert via Elecraft]

It's been ages since I tried sending RTTY from my K3 using paddles; I've  
been using a SignaLink USB for RTTY for the past couple years! Anyway, I  set 
up the K3 for FSK D, plugged the paddle into the paddle socket on the back  
of the K3, and no RTTY! 
So I checked cabling, etc., and still no RTTY using paddles. I switched  
over to CW mode and CW worked just fine! Back to FSK D and no RTTY. I have my  
call in an M1 macro, so I pushed M1 and got RTTY (text decoded properly!). 
Then  I tried the paddles again -- nothing! So I pressed M1 and after my 
call was sent  and the FSK was "diddling", my paddles worked! When the diddling 
stopped, the  paddles no longer produced RTTY.
What am I missing here? 
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Jim Brown]

On Wed,12/10/2014 3:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion 
battery packs.


All Li-Ion packs are not created equal. Charging rates depend upon 
capacity, and proper Li-Ion packs have built-in protection modules. 
Study batteryspace.com to get a handle how these things are built.  This 
company is "the American partner" of a small battery mfr in China. The 
Chinese company manufactures the cells, the American company puts them 
in packs with protection circuitry and suitable connectors, and does the 
marketing.


My neighbor, W6GJB, bought one of their bigger LiFe 12V packs. Looks 
quite solid.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Al Gulseth]

Glad you weren't hurt - whew! It might be a good idea to report your 
experience to the Consumer Product Safety Commission. If your battery had a 
defect there's a distinct possibility other batteries from the same lot or 
manufacturer are defective also. Getting the CPSC involved might prevent 
someone else from being injured - or worse.

There are downsides to packing more and more energy into smaller spaces.

73, Al
 
On Wed December 10 2014 6:39:25 pm Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> Have to admit, outside of actually combat, that was the scariest thing
> I've ever experienced.  The battery was a generic, Chinese manufactured,
> lithium-Ion pack made up of 3 main, but unmarked, cells, wrapped in a
> fairly tough flexible, plastic wrap.  A little forensics leads me to
> think the flexible outer shell probably absorbed some the initial blast
> and helped contain the shrapnel - or at least slow it down.  I shutter
> to think what would have happened had it had exploded inside the steel
> case of of the equipment it was meant for.  I bought it from one of the
> many vendors on ebay - I couldn't really say which one.  I use these in
> many different projects.  They're very convenient.  The charger is a
> Tenergy Universal Lithium-Ion Smart Charger.  I've used it 100's of
> times without a problem.  I think this was just a couple of defective
> cells. Or, perhaps bad wiring.
>
> All I can say is the explosion was far beyond anything I've ever heard
> of happening with bad Li-Io cells.  If it had been inside the steel
> case, it would have been a hand grenade.
>
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
>
> On 12/10/2014 5:15 PM, Nick Kemp wrote:
> > One thing available and recommended are fireproof/resistant envelopes
> > to put LI-Io batteries into while charging.  Maybe good practice it to
> > charge them outside at least the first few times.
> >
> > Good to hear that you were not injured.
> >
> > Nick
> > N1KMP
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I used to fly Radio Controlled Helicopters and I was always wary of 
LiPObatteries and they have been know to catch fire and to possibly explode.

Never charge them unattended
Some would put them in a can to help contain them if they do catch fire.


  From: Doug Person via Elecraft 
 To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:38 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries
   
Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion 
battery packs.

Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.  Fist time being 
charged.  I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. 
Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing 
items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion.  The burn area on 
my workbench exceeds 12 inches.  If I hadn't been wearing safety 
glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected.  The sound 
level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned 
and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table.  
The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the 
ignition point.  About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same.

I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which 
protected my body very well.  I was only 18 inches from the pack when it 
exploded.

I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially 
produced battery pack.  I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof 
box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again.

73, Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft]

The more I read this, the more questions arise in my mind!
>> If I hadn't been wearing safety 
glasses, <<
Granted, some people wears Safety Glasses when working on their work bench.
>> I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which 
protected my body very well. <<

A WELDING Jacket??!  Ok! You're a Welder. 

>> The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the 
ignition point. << 

Quite a powerful Explosion. 
>> My facial hair has been burned 
and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table. << 
How deep into your skin were the fragments embedded? 

Did you write this before or after your visit to the Emergency Room? 

Sorry, but I find this kinda hard to digest.
73 Milverton. / W9MMS





  From: Doug Person via Elecraft 
 To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:38 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries
   
Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion 
battery packs.

Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.  Fist time being 
charged.  I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. 
Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing 
items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion.  The burn area on 
my workbench exceeds 12 inches.  If I hadn't been wearing safety 
glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected.  The sound 
level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned 
and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table.  
The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the 
ignition point.  About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same.

I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which 
protected my body very well.  I was only 18 inches from the pack when it 
exploded.

I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially 
produced battery pack.  I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof 
box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again.

73, Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Jim Stahl via Elecraft]

I too am very glad you escaped, as close as things were.


This helps explain why lithium batteries are not allowed in checked luggage on 
airplanes. If anybody is traveling with such batteries, be sure they are in 
your carry on luggage. I suspect luggage screeners are on the lookout for them.


There also are limits on how large and how many lithium batteries you are 
allowed as carry on, but my reading is that a normal KX3 user is not likely to 
be taking enough to hit the limits.


Check the DOT website for full details.


73   -  Jim  K8MR



-Original Message-
From: Doug Person via Elecraft 
To: elecraft 
Sent: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 6:40 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries


Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion 
battery packs.

Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.  Fist time being 
charged.  I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. 
Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing 
items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion.  The burn area on 
my workbench exceeds 12 inches.  If I hadn't been wearing safety 
glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected.  The sound 
level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned 
and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table.  
The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the 
ignition point.  About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same.

I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which 
protected my body very well.  I was only 18 inches from the pack when it 
exploded.

I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially 
produced battery pack.  I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof 
box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again.

73, Doug -- K0DXV


 
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

I said 12 volt, but it was actually 11.1 volt.  I use this type for the 
KX3, Quad-copters and driving computerized telescopes.  I'm not familiar 
with LiFe.  I'll have to look into them.  I had no idea they could be so 
volatile! If I did, I sure has heck wouldn't have been sitting right in 
front of it on the bench.  The XYL has just banned them from the house.  
Worse yet, it ruptured my right ear drum.


73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 12/10/2014 5:40 PM, David Orman wrote:
I'm glad to hear you are mostly OK. Very sorry to hear this happened. 
I use LiPo for R/C aircraft/helicopters, and charge them outside on 
the back patio clear of anything inside those bags for this very 
reason. I've had a couple grenade (you'd think figuratively, but as 
you described, literally) after collisions.


For radio use, I switched to LiFe packs which seem to be much less 
volatile, and the discharge voltage curve is more conducive for radio 
use. You'll also get more cycles out of them. Not sure if you use your 
LiPo for radio, but I thought I'd offer that suggestion if you do. 
They have slightly less capacity, but with my KX3, I get a day of RX 
from a 4200mAh LiFe battery, and 2 hours of solid 10W output; much 
more when using something like SSB that isn't pulling the full 2A or 
so and isn't 100% duty cycle.


Again, glad to hear you're OK.

David - K5DJO

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft 
mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> wrote:


Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around
Lithium-Ion battery packs.

Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.  Fist time
being charged.  I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger.
Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force,
blowing items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion. 
The burn area on my workbench exceeds 12 inches.  If I hadn't been

wearing safety glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly
affected.  The sound level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My
facial hair has been burned and there are numerous particles
embedded in my skin, walls and table.  The furthest piece,
embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the ignition point. 
About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same.


I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket
which protected my body very well.  I was only 18 inches from the
pack when it exploded.

I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a
commercially produced battery pack.  I guess I will weld together
a steel blast-proof box should I have nerve enough to ever use
these battery packs again.

73, Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Fred Jensen]

Glad you weren't hurt.  Anything in the first column of the periodic 
table are very reactive, starting with H for Hindenburg.  I had a little 
Li-Poly RC battery burst into flames on our deck table when it was 
powering my KX1.  Fortunately, I had it external on a little pigtail and 
I could fling it over the rail onto our gravel driveway.


I believe the Li-Poly's are the least stable, followed by the Li-ion, 
and then LiFePO4.  I charge any Li chemistry battery outside in a steel 
bucket using my solar panel, and I'd never put one inside my radios.  Of 
course we have 2 laptops, two Kindle Fire's, and two Samsung Galaxy 5 
phones, all with internal Li-ion batteries and none of those have burst 
into flames ... yet.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 12/10/2014 4:21 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:

Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion
battery packs.

Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.  Fist time being
charged.  I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger.
Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing
items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion.  The burn area on
my workbench exceeds 12 inches.  If I hadn't been wearing safety
glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected.  The sound
level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned
and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table.
The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the
ignition point.  About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same.


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Re: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration

[Bill Frantz]

The big secret is to hit enter after entering something into a 
CW memory field in the utility. If you just click "Save", the 
utility won't recognize the data you have entered. I think this 
is a bug in the Mac version of the utility. I don't know if it 
is also in the Unix or Windows versions.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 12/10/14 at 3:01 PM, joel.b.bl...@gmail.com (Joel Black) wrote:


I am a recent (two years) convert to Mac.

Question #1: I got the CW memories to work once, but I forgot 
how I did it. I use a logging program that does that for me.

---
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working, the
408-356-8506   | rate of systems being compromised would be 
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[David Orman]

I'm glad to hear you are mostly OK. Very sorry to hear this happened. I use
LiPo for R/C aircraft/helicopters, and charge them outside on the back
patio clear of anything inside those bags for this very reason. I've had a
couple grenade (you'd think figuratively, but as you described, literally)
after collisions.

For radio use, I switched to LiFe packs which seem to be much less
volatile, and the discharge voltage curve is more conducive for radio use.
You'll also get more cycles out of them. Not sure if you use your LiPo for
radio, but I thought I'd offer that suggestion if you do. They have
slightly less capacity, but with my KX3, I get a day of RX from a 4200mAh
LiFe battery, and 2 hours of solid 10W output; much more when using
something like SSB that isn't pulling the full 2A or so and isn't 100% duty
cycle.

Again, glad to hear you're OK.

David - K5DJO

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion
> battery packs.
>
> Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.  Fist time being
> charged.  I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. Nonetheless,
> the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing items off my
> workbench within 2 feet of the explosion.  The burn area on my workbench
> exceeds 12 inches.  If I hadn't been wearing safety glasses, I'm sure my
> eyes would have been badly affected.  The sound level was at least equal to
> a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned and there are numerous
> particles embedded in my skin, walls and table.  The furthest piece,
> embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the ignition point.  About 2
> ounces of C4 would perform about the same.
>
> I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which
> protected my body very well.  I was only 18 inches from the pack when it
> exploded.
>
> I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially
> produced battery pack.  I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof
> box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again.
>
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Have to admit, outside of actually combat, that was the scariest thing 
I've ever experienced.  The battery was a generic, Chinese manufactured, 
lithium-Ion pack made up of 3 main, but unmarked, cells, wrapped in a 
fairly tough flexible, plastic wrap.  A little forensics leads me to 
think the flexible outer shell probably absorbed some the initial blast 
and helped contain the shrapnel - or at least slow it down.  I shutter 
to think what would have happened had it had exploded inside the steel 
case of of the equipment it was meant for.  I bought it from one of the 
many vendors on ebay - I couldn't really say which one.  I use these in 
many different projects.  They're very convenient.  The charger is a 
Tenergy Universal Lithium-Ion Smart Charger.  I've used it 100's of 
times without a problem.  I think this was just a couple of defective 
cells. Or, perhaps bad wiring.


All I can say is the explosion was far beyond anything I've ever heard 
of happening with bad Li-Io cells.  If it had been inside the steel 
case, it would have been a hand grenade.


73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 12/10/2014 5:15 PM, Nick Kemp wrote:
One thing available and recommended are fireproof/resistant envelopes 
to put LI-Io batteries into while charging.  Maybe good practice it to 
charge them outside at least the first few times.


Good to hear that you were not injured.

Nick
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[Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion 
battery packs.


Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.  Fist time being 
charged.  I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. 
Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing 
items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion.  The burn area on 
my workbench exceeds 12 inches.  If I hadn't been wearing safety 
glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected.  The sound 
level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned 
and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table. 
The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the 
ignition point.  About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same.


I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which 
protected my body very well.  I was only 18 inches from the pack when it 
exploded.


I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially 
produced battery pack.  I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof 
box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again.


73, Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Ben Hall]

On 12/10/2014 5:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:

Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.  Fist time being
charged.  I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger.
Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing
items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion.  The burn area on


Glad you were not seriously hurt!

What brand/model was it?

thanks and 73,
ben, kd5byb

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Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Nick Kemp]

One thing available and recommended are fireproof/resistant envelopes to 
put LI-Io batteries into while charging.  Maybe good practice it to 
charge them outside at least the first few times.


Good to hear that you were not injured.

Nick
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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 11/16/2014

[Phil Shepard]

Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from November 16, 2014.  We had 
18 participants.  

Station NameQTH Rig S/N

AD0HT   ZachCO  KX3 5483QRP
NC0JW   Jim CO  KX3 1356
KU4UW   Ray NM  KX3 6751
QRP
AD5IJ   Howard  OR  KX3 5178QRP
W0CZKen ND  KX3 4275
KC0XT   David   CA  KX3 6980
AB7CE   Roy MT  K2  40
N0MEU   Jay CO  KX3 4351
N6LEW   Lew CA  KX3 3805
QRP
W4RKS   Jim TX  K3  3618
N6JW/m  JohnCA  KX3 515
K1NWBrian   RI  K3  4974
WB9JNZ  EricIL  K3  4017
KF5IMA  Bruce   MS  K2  3575
WW4JF   JohnTN  K3  6185
KF5YBE  Lee TX  KX3 6988
W7QHD   KurtAZ  K2  1538
NS7PPhilOR  K3  1826

73,
Phil, NS7P
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[Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion 
battery packs.


Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.  Fist time being 
charged.  I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. 
Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing 
items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion.  The burn area on 
my workbench exceeds 12 inches.  If I hadn't been wearing safety 
glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected.  The sound 
level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned 
and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table.  
The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the 
ignition point.  About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same.


I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which 
protected my body very well.  I was only 18 inches from the pack when it 
exploded.


I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially 
produced battery pack.  I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof 
box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again.


73, Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate

[Don Wilhelm]

Wes,

I have my K3 set for Quick Memories, and use that for band switching.  I 
run with the CONFIG:MEM0-9 set to BAND SEL.  If you set it to NOR, it 
will not change to the last used frequency but will behave just like any 
other 00 - 99 memory.


I use the Quick Memories for band switching (and seldom touch the 
BAND^/V button.  Additionally, I have set the M1-M4 memories for each 
band.  M1 takes me to the mid-CW segment of that band, M2 takes me to a 
mid-frequency for the SSB segment, and M3 takes me to the correct 
frequency for PSK Data mode operation on that band (I don't currently 
use M4).


So I use the Quick Memories to take me to a particular band, then use 
the M1-M4 memories to navigate to a particular fixed frequency band 
segment and operating mode.


I have the Quick Memories set to BAND SEL so if I hear something I might 
be interested in on the band I am tuned to at the moment, but want to 
check another band - when I come back to the original band, I am set to 
the last frequency used and can continue with that 'interesting' station.


YMMV, but you *can* set the quick memories to go to a specific 
frequency, mode, etc.  You just have to change the MEM 0-9 menu 
parameter to "NOR" - but then those memories behave just like any other 
memory slot - they will not be "Quick Memories".


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/10/2014 2:25 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
I'm not sure that my gripe is "on the list", although I've mentioned 
it several times in other postings.


So maybe Elecraft can take this as a PIP (Performance Improvement 
Proposal/Program).


The memory management in the K3 is, to be kind, awful.

Things one believes are written to memory aren't. A really pet peeve 
is using the M1-M4 to save per-mode settings on each band. For example 
CW, SSB, AFSK A and DATA A.  If I set preferred BW for AFSK A of 400 
HZ and store it in M4 and set 2 KHz for DATA A and store it in M3, 
then immediately recall M4, the BW will be what I just saved in M3. In 
other words, the BW isn't really saved despite the manual saying, "The 
K3 has 100 general-purpose memories (00-99), plus per-band memories 
(M1-M4 on each band). Each memory holds VFO A and B frequencies, 
modes, filter presets, antenna selection, and other settings"


The manual goes on to say, "Memories 00-09 are quick memories, 
accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a 
starting point in each of 10 ham bands."  Not even close.  If I use 
the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the 
memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band 
changed.  The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you 
were on that band.


So could we please have a firmware change that makes memories actually 
remember---and recall---what was stored in them?  My 13 year, at the 
time I acquired the K3, Kenwood TS-870 did this flawlessly.


Wes  N7WS


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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 Question

[Joel Black]

I don’t know if he reads this mail list or not, but K3WWP has a pretty slick 
KX3/PX3 setup:

http://home.windstream.net/johnshan/pix_shack_1014.jpg 


73,
Joel - W4JBB


> On Dec 10, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI  wrote:
> 
> As others have said, the IQ connecting cable is very short. Although you
> can place the PX3 to the left of the KX3, it ends up as quite a long pair,
> especially if any of your KX3 connectors are straight instead of
> right-angle. I've found it both neater and more ergonomic to place the PX3
> just above the KX3. I use a wire-frame reading stand to hold the KX3 and
> it's just tall enough to let me balance the PX3 on top of the KX3. However,
> it's not as secure as I'd like and involves metal-to-metal contact between
> the two boxes so I intend to buy or build a slightly larger stand, perhaps
> with a "mini-shelf" between the two boxes. The advantage of vertical
> adjacency instead of horizontal, to my thinking, is a smaller footprint on
> the desk and less eye motion between the PX3 and the KX3 displays.
> 
> 73,
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:20 PM, stan levandowski 
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm just a click away from ordering a PX3, and I've perused the FAQs and
>> online manual but still have a question that some PX3 owner on this list
>> should be able to answer for me:
>> 
>> 
>> How far away from (and to the left of) the KX3 can I place the PX3?
>> 
>> 
>> I didn't see any cable lengths given, just a warning not to make the
>> connecting cables longer.  I  need this information to figure out how wide
>> I can build my new "ramp" to hold them. While most of the connectors on the
>> KX3 are space saving right angles, I still have straight connectors on my
>> headset and outboard keyer and I don't want to change them ( I have my
>> reasons...)
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks and 73,
>> Stan WB2LQF
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration

[Joel Black]

Chuck,

I am a recent (two years) convert to Mac.

Question #1: I got the CW memories to work once, but I forgot how I did it. I 
use a logging program that does that for me.

Question #2: I use RUMlog for day-to-day logging and RUMped for contest 
logging. The each have a user interface that integrates very well with the K3 
(and KX3). RUMlog does a lot and it would be best if you just went to the web 
page because I am sure to forget something. Best of all, it’s completely free 
and the author is pretty responsive in the RUMlog forums.

I tried other programs for day-to-day logging on my Mac:

1. Aether - I really liked this program. I paid $45 for it. I noticed the 
program wouldn’t log a power level below 1 W (other than 0 W). I tried 
contacting the author multiple times via multiple means and he never responded. 
That is $45 shoved up a wild hog’s butt.

2. MacLoggerDX - It does a lot; more than RUMlog, but in my opinion, it doesn’t 
do $99 worth of stuff for me. I have never discussed anything with the author 
of the program. I suggest you read all the eham.net reviews. I couldn’t see 
spending that kind of money for my kind of logging. You may find it fits your 
needs.

There are Windows programs that may or may not work with the Mac using WINE. I 
use CrossOver and have been able to get the SKCCLogger and GenLogger working 
very well on my computer. I even have CAT control with SKCCLogger. As with 
anything computer related, your mileage may vary.

I am sure there are others who will suggest programs I may not remember or 
about which I know nothing.

Good luck.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

> On Dec 10, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Eklund Charles  wrote:
> 
> 1. I’m trying to figure out how to program the K3 to send CW messages. I know 
> it must be documented somewhere, but after a bit of searching I can’t find 
> instructions. If someone could point me in the right direction I would 
> appreciate it.
> 
> 2. I am contemplating converting my computer interface with the K3 from a 
> Windows environment to a Mac environment. I am a long-time Mac user and would 
> prefer that environment. I’m wondering what programs people use (rig control, 
> logging, CW and digital decoding, etc.)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chuck
> WØBBO
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[Elecraft] K3/100 for sale in the UK

[Vic Tuff via Elecraft]

Guys,

the pressures of Christmas bills have made me look seriously
at my 'toys' and I have thought long and hard and decided that if someone in
the UK or Europe is interested in buying my K3/100 (K3 with 100 watt PA) I
may let it go to help pay some bills!

 

If and when I get some spare funds I can always buy another and get the
pleasure of building it up (the best bit in my opinion)!

 

It is hardly used (perhaps 3-4 hours use since new), I only used it QRP and
the 100 watt PA has never been installed (still in the box)!

 

The only items are:

 

· K3/10-  K3 with 10 watt PA

· KAT3  -  ATU (installed)

· KXV3 -  Transverter Interface (Installed)

· KPA3 -  100 watt PA module (not installed, new in
the box)

· KUSB -  USB Adaptor

· KBPF3   -  General Coverage Receiver (Installed)

· MH2-R  -  Elecraft fist mic

 

Looking to get back most of my investment so I'm looking for around £2,000
for the lot.

 

Professionally built (I have worked in electronics 36 years).

 

Interested parties contact me 'off list'.

 

73's

 

Vic Tuff

G7PYR

 

 

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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 11/9/2014

[Phil Shepard]

Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from November 9, 2014.  We had 
26 participants.  

Station NameQTH Rig S/N

N6JWJohnCA  K3  936
W0CZKen ND  K3  457
K4GCJ   Gerry   NC  K3  5197
NC0JW   Jim CO  KX3 1356
K1NWBrian   RI  K3  4974
K6SBA   David   CA  K3  565
W2RWA   DickNY  K3  2603
WB9JNZ  EricWI  IC7000
KF5YBE  Lee TX  KX3 6988
W7JJL   JohnWA  KX3 993
KC0XT   David   CA  KX3 6980
AD5IJ   Howard  OR  KX3 5178QRP
N6LEW   Lew CA  K3  3805
QRP
VA7ZOO  BillBC  KX3 3035
QRP
W4DML   DougTN  KX3 2915QRP
N3RMRandy   PA  K3  4519
KF5IMA  Bruce   MS  K2  3575
KD7BCF  Wes OR  KX3 7071
VE7EAR  Al  BC  K3  3185
KE7FSD  Al  AZ  K3  8532
WB7SDE  EricWA  K3  8312
WW4JF   JohnTN  KX3 159
K5KSU   MikeOK  K2  3669
QRP
KK4QDZ  BillNC  KX3 4515
AG6ZE   AlanCA  FTDX1200
NS7PPhilOR  K3  1826

73,
Phil, NS7P

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request

[mike]

How about CWskimmer? It will help you track where you have sent them... ;>)  
73 ..mike  AI6II



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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question

[Phil Wheeler]

Hmm .. this could result in some very long QSOs, 
Howie :-)


Phil W7OX

On 12/10/14 11:21 AM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
Now THERE'S a novel ham activity:  COTA : 
Confessionals On The Air!!!


Keep on designing the good stuff, Wayne!

Howie - WA4PSC




On 12/10/2014 11:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
The entire premise behind the KX-Line is that 
you can quickly disconnect the KX3 from the PX3 
and KXPA100, then take the rig to field sites 
where minimum size/weight/cables/current drain 
are important criteria. Examples: living room 
easy chair, breakfast nook, yagi feed-point, 
mobile, HF pack, bicycle, motorcycle, tree 
fort, laundromat, Starbucks, 747, dentist, 
tanning salon, confessionalyou get the idea.


Wayne
N6KR


On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:24 AM, "Charlie T, K3ICH" 
 wrote:


Waddaya bet some entrepreneur makes a rear box 
so both can be a single solid unit?


Howzatt for cool?

Of course, there's always duct tape.

Chas


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Re: [Elecraft] Ultimate System

[mike]

My solution is two stations in the shack. One side of the room is for my
K-line modern operating station with three monitors, loads of soeftware and
lots of bells and whistles. I use it for DX chasing and contesting. The
other side of the room has my Drake operating station with 4B Twins and a
TR-4Cw. Knob twisting and meter deflections and tubes glowing in the night
take me back 40 years. Hand logging and all, it is great for ragchewing, the
Twins on CW and the TR-4Cw on SSB. Lot's of continuing projects on both
sides of the shack including new software, RFI challenges, upgrading power
supplies. Ham radio new or old is just plain fun!  73  ..mike  AI6II



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Re: [Elecraft] Nifty stands for KX3 and PX3

[Ken G Kopp]

Hi Rick,

The binder clips -don't- fasten the two stands together to make one stand.
They -do- hold the two units in place on the stands much better.  Take a
look at the Nifty website.
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[Elecraft] P3 "feature" request

[Fred Jensen]

Asking for new features seems to have become common, you'd think Wayne 
was Santa Claus and the employees were his elves.  I'd like to weigh in 
with one for me ...


I've gotten a bit active in NTS, I even agreed to NCS one night a week. 
 I was very active in NTS in the mid-50's as a teenager.  My P3 is 
really cool for picking working frequencies up and down.  However, I'm 
having a problem remembering where I send who for what.  I'd like a 
feature that would put a tag with a call sign on the signal when I send 
someone up or down for traffic.  This shouldn't be too hard. ;-))  I'm 
willing to type the call, although picking it out of my Notepad notes 
would be icing on the cake.


I'll leave cookies, milk, and a Corona out Christmas Eve, take your pick.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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[Elecraft] Nifty stands for KX3 and PX3

[Ken G Kopp]

Hi Stan,

After getting a Nifty stand for my KX3 early on,  I recently ordered one
for my PX3.  This one included a pair of spring binder clips to hold the
unit when its in place "astride" the stand.

Works great!  There's a photo on the Nifty website.

73!

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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 Question

[stan levandowski]

 Side-by-side works best for me.  Today I installed all right angle 
connectors.  I was going to build a nice long "ramp" (I'm handy and I'm 
not too bad at wood working) but instead I decided to order two more 
ready-made "ramps" from Steve W1SFR at http://kx3helper.com/ 


 
I already have one for my CW Machine and I couldn't ask for more!  My 
intent is to line all three of them up, catty corner on my operating 
desk and at a 45 degree angle to me, with my laptop "mill" right in the 
center and my sideswiper, bug, straight key and paddle (ugh...) on my 
right and in that order ;-).  I may secure the ramps to each other or  
may leave them standalone for more flexibility.

 
Each one of these "ramps" weighs about one ounce and is darn near 
immovable when pushing buttons.  In my opinion an elegant solution at a 
very modest cost.  What I like about Steve's solution is that I don't 
have to depend upon the KX3's legs to hold it on the Nifty stand + I can 
still operate it with my Adventure paddle attached to the front.  He has 
two models, one that permits KXPD3/Adventure paddle use and one that 
does not.

 
73, Stan WB2LQF
"KX3 Line"
 
 
 
 
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 03:40 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:
 
 
As others have said, the IQ connecting cable is very short. Although you 
can place the PX3 to the left of the KX3, it ends up as quite a long 
pair, especially if any of your KX3 connectors are straight instead of 
right-angle. I've found it both neater and more ergonomic to place the 
PX3 just above the KX3. I use a wire-frame reading stand to hold the KX3 
and it's just tall enough to let me balance the PX3 on top of the KX3. 
However, it's not as secure as I'd like and involves metal-to-metal 
contact between the two boxes so I intend to buy or build a slightly 
larger stand, perhaps with a "mini-shelf" between the two boxes. The 
advantage of vertical adjacency instead of horizontal, to my thinking, 
is a smaller footprint on the desk and less eye motion between the PX3 
and the KX3 displays.


73,


/Rick N6XI


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:20 PM, stan levandowski  > wrote:
I'm just a click away from ordering a PX3, and I've perused the FAQs and 
online manual but still have a question that some PX3 owner on this list 
should be able to answer for me:






How far away from (and to the left of) the KX3 can I place the PX3?





I didn't see any cable lengths given, just a warning not to make the 
connecting cables longer.  I  need this information to figure out how 
wide I can build my new "ramp" to hold them. While most of the 
connectors on the KX3 are space saving right angles, I still have 
straight connectors on my headset and outboard keyer and I don't want to 
change them ( I have my reasons...)






Thanks and 73,

Stan WB2LQF

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW QSK improvement -- summary of early test results

[Rick Tavan N6XI]

5.01 sounds good, Wayne. It's hard to come to any conclusion until using it
under a variety of band noise and signal conditions, but it seems to be an
improvement. It sounds like the lost time between elements is slightly
longer but the artifacts are reduced. In CWT this morning, I was able to
tune VFO B to a signal visible on the P3 while transmitting on VFO A. It's
a little harder to do than before because of the shorter samples of
received audio, but it's OK. If the artifacts remain gone under more severe
conditions, it will be a winner. Thanks.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> We sent K3 rev. 5.01 firmware to about 50 CW operators, and we've been
> hearing great reports -- everything from "It's like a whole new radio!" to
> "#@$&*!! Why didn't you do this years ago?!"  :)
>
> If you were on the fence about trying the field-test release, but would
> now like to give it a try, email me directly and I'll send you a copy.
> We're also likely to release it to beta with in a day or two.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 Question

[Rick Tavan N6XI]

As others have said, the IQ connecting cable is very short. Although you
can place the PX3 to the left of the KX3, it ends up as quite a long pair,
especially if any of your KX3 connectors are straight instead of
right-angle. I've found it both neater and more ergonomic to place the PX3
just above the KX3. I use a wire-frame reading stand to hold the KX3 and
it's just tall enough to let me balance the PX3 on top of the KX3. However,
it's not as secure as I'd like and involves metal-to-metal contact between
the two boxes so I intend to buy or build a slightly larger stand, perhaps
with a "mini-shelf" between the two boxes. The advantage of vertical
adjacency instead of horizontal, to my thinking, is a smaller footprint on
the desk and less eye motion between the PX3 and the KX3 displays.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:20 PM, stan levandowski 
wrote:

> I'm just a click away from ordering a PX3, and I've perused the FAQs and
> online manual but still have a question that some PX3 owner on this list
> should be able to answer for me:
>
>
> How far away from (and to the left of) the KX3 can I place the PX3?
>
>
> I didn't see any cable lengths given, just a warning not to make the
> connecting cables longer.  I  need this information to figure out how wide
> I can build my new "ramp" to hold them. While most of the connectors on the
> KX3 are space saving right angles, I still have straight connectors on my
> headset and outboard keyer and I don't want to change them ( I have my
> reasons...)
>
>
> Thanks and 73,
> Stan WB2LQF
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[Elecraft] FYI: weighted dial knob for K2

[Eddy via Elecraft]

FYI: AA9IV sells a really nice professionally-made, weighted heavy spinner dial 
knob for the K2 on eBay. 

I have no connection with AA9IV, just stumbled over his eBay listening and I'm 
glad I did. I didn't realize how crappy the Elecraft knob is until I installed 
this one!!

I bought mine for a lot less than the well-know K2 knob is sold for and I'm 
very impressed.
73
Ed

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[Elecraft] FW: K3 firmware rev. 5.01: Fixed transmit gain calibration: KE7X report

[Cady, Fred]

Hi all,

I've been testing the new QSK firmware.  I'm using N1MM+ with a Winkey.  About 
the fastest I have been running is in the mid-30s.  

Been running W1AW/7 all morning on 40, 20 and 15.  900 odd q's in the log. Have 
switched back and forth a few times  between Old and New QSK.  
New QSK is a winner.  I don't hear any of the spurting and splatting with New 
as compared to Old.  I haven't been watching the P3 much to see what is going 
on there but will watch it when I get back on later this afternoon.

Lots of W1AW/7 activity on the bands and we are doing a lot of RTTY, PSK31 and 
JT65 this time around too.  So come one, come all.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate

[Wayne Burdick]

Wes,

At present we only save one bandwidth in data modes. Fixing that is a top 
priority. 


> The manual goes on to say, "Memories 00-09 are quick memories, accessible 
> with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a starting point in 
> each of 10 ham bands."  Not even close.  If I use the Memory Editor software 
> to set frequencies and modes in the memories, the best that can be said is 
> that you will get the band changed.  The frequencies will be whatever they 
> were the last time you were on that band.

There are two settings for quick-memories 00-09:  fixed-frequency (NOR) or 
last-used-frequency (BAND-SEL). The CONFIG:MEM 0-9 menu entry is used to make 
this selection.

Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW QSK improvement -- summary of early test results

[duklaet]

When  do You think we'll have it on the  KX3? Can't  wait. 
Hsl/LA4XX 


Sendt fra min Samsung Galaxy-smarttelefon.


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Fra: Wayne Burdick  
Dato:10.12.2014  20:17  (GMT+01:00) 
Til: Elecraft Reflector  
Ko:  
Emne: [Elecraft] K3 CW QSK improvement -- summary of early test results 

We sent K3 rev. 5.01 firmware to about 50 CW operators, and we've been hearing 
great reports -- everything from "It's like a whole new radio!" to "#@$&*!! Why 
didn't you do this years ago?!"  :)

If you were on the fence about trying the field-test release, but would now 
like to give it a try, email me directly and I'll send you a copy. We're also 
likely to release it to beta with in a day or two.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate

[Wes (N7WS)]

I'm not sure that my gripe is "on the list", although I've mentioned it several 
times in other postings.


So maybe Elecraft can take this as a PIP (Performance Improvement 
Proposal/Program).

The memory management in the K3 is, to be kind, awful.

Things one believes are written to memory aren't. A really pet peeve is using 
the M1-M4 to save per-mode settings on each band. For example CW, SSB, AFSK A 
and DATA A.  If I set preferred BW for AFSK A of 400 HZ and store it in M4 and 
set 2 KHz for DATA A and store it in M3, then immediately recall M4, the BW will 
be what I just saved in M3. In other words, the BW isn't really saved despite 
the manual saying, "The K3 has 100 general-purpose memories (00-99), plus 
per-band memories (M1-M4 on each band). Each memory holds VFO A and B 
frequencies, modes, filter presets, antenna selection, and other settings"


The manual goes on to say, "Memories 00-09 are quick memories, accessible with 
just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a starting point in each of 
10 ham bands."  Not even close.  If I use the Memory Editor software to set 
frequencies and modes in the memories, the best that can be said is that you 
will get the band changed.  The frequencies will be whatever they were the last 
time you were on that band.


So could we please have a firmware change that makes memories actually 
remember---and recall---what was stored in them?  My 13 year, at the time I 
acquired the K3, Kenwood TS-870 did this flawlessly.


Wes  N7WS

On 12/6/2014 4:33 PM, Ian White wrote:


Sorry, but I am no longer feeling so generous about and further delays
to features that have been waiting "on the list" for 7 years now.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 time required to stabilize after transmit

[Fred Jensen]

Hmmm ... I've never noticed that.  I'll start looking.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 12/10/2014 3:08 AM, Mike K2MK wrote:

With the recent talk about adding transmit monitoring to the P3 maybe there
will also be some firmware improvement on the transition time from transmit
back to receive.

The P3 sometimes defies logic as it randomly can take seconds to return to
normal receiver monitoring after transmit. It does it in both fixed-tune
mode and tracking mode. It is infrequent and totally random.


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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question

[Howard Hoyt]

Now THERE'S a novel ham activity:  COTA : Confessionals On The Air!!!

Keep on designing the good stuff, Wayne!

Howie - WA4PSC




On 12/10/2014 11:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

The entire premise behind the KX-Line is that you can quickly disconnect the 
KX3 from the PX3 and KXPA100, then take the rig to field sites where minimum 
size/weight/cables/current drain are important criteria. Examples: living room 
easy chair, breakfast nook, yagi feed-point, mobile, HF pack, bicycle, 
motorcycle, tree fort, laundromat, Starbucks, 747, dentist, tanning salon, 
confessionalyou get the idea.

Wayne
N6KR


On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:24 AM, "Charlie T, K3ICH"  wrote:


Waddaya bet some entrepreneur makes a rear box so both can be a single solid 
unit?

Howzatt for cool?

Of course, there's always duct tape.

Chas


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[Elecraft] K3 CW QSK improvement -- summary of early test results

[Wayne Burdick]

We sent K3 rev. 5.01 firmware to about 50 CW operators, and we've been hearing 
great reports -- everything from "It's like a whole new radio!" to "#@$&*!! Why 
didn't you do this years ago?!"  :)

If you were on the fence about trying the field-test release, but would now 
like to give it a try, email me directly and I'll send you a copy. We're also 
likely to release it to beta with in a day or two.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question

[Frank Krozel]

No boats huh?
Frank KG9H

On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:

> Stan,
> 
> Which part stated in print?  Perhaps this includes some extreme examples: 
> "Examples: living room easy chair, breakfast nook, yagi feed-point, mobile, 
> HF pack, bicycle, motorcycle, tree fort, laundromat, Starbucks, 747, dentist, 
> tanning salon, confessionalyou get the idea."  My dentist would sure not 
> allow it :-)
> 
> Phil W7OX
> 
> On 12/10/14 9:44 AM, stan levandowski wrote:
>> Sounds like I've finally "arrived"  --  I could never afford an "S Line" and 
>> I can't justify a "K line" but at least I'll have a "KX3 Line."  Now I'd 
>> just like to see it stated in a print ad in QST and I'll die a happy ham!
>> 
>> 
>> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> 
>>> The entire premise behind the KX-Line 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question

[Phil Wheeler]

Stan,

Which part stated in print?  Perhaps this includes 
some extreme examples: "Examples: living room easy 
chair, breakfast nook, yagi feed-point, mobile, HF 
pack, bicycle, motorcycle, tree fort, laundromat, 
Starbucks, 747, dentist, tanning salon, 
confessionalyou get the idea."  My dentist 
would sure not allow it :-)


Phil W7OX

On 12/10/14 9:44 AM, stan levandowski wrote:
Sounds like I've finally "arrived"  --  I could 
never afford an "S Line" and I can't justify a 
"K line" but at least I'll have a "KX3 Line." 
 Now I'd just like to see it stated in a print 
ad in QST and I'll die a happy ham!



73, Stan WB2LQF


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Wayne Burdick 
wrote:


The entire premise behind the KX-Line 


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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question

[stan levandowski]

Sounds like I've finally "arrived"  --  I could never afford an "S Line" 
and I can't justify a "K line" but at least I'll have a "KX3 Line."  Now 
I'd just like to see it stated in a print ad in QST and I'll die a happy 
ham!



73, Stan WB2LQF


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:


The entire premise behind the KX-Line 

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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

[Ian White]

>Ian,
>
>The K14 and its kin are devices specializing in
>being keyers; and that's all they were intended to
>do. Expecting the K3 to have the keying
>capabilities of one of the specialized K1EL
>products seems a bit much.
>
>A better 'industry-wide benchmark' might be to
>compare the K3 with other high-end ham
>transceivers with regard to the keying modes they
>provide.
>
>Phil W7OX
>

I wouldn't ever ask for all the facilities of a specialized keyer. The
wider range of timing options is the only  exception, because
significant numbers of K3 users NEED a specific timing mode other than
Curtis A or Curtis B in order to gain full access to the K3's internal
keyer. This is particularly important for the K3 because paddle-sent
RTTY and PSK are accessible only through the internal keyer. 

As regards the comparisons with other high-end transceivers, I would
NEVER expect Elecraft to settle for being 'ordinary' or 'average' - not
in this way or any other. 


73 from Ian GM3SEK


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>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Phil Wheeler
>Sent: 10 December 2014 14:41
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?
>
>On 12/10/14 12:44 AM, Ian White wrote:
>> Ed - KL7UW wrote:
>>> The K14 offers six keying modes:
>>> 1- Iambic-A
>>> 2- Iambic-B
>>> 3- Ultimatic
>>> 4- straight key
>>> 5- Dit priority
>>> 6- Dash priority
>>>
>> And others have also identified:
>> 7- Mechanical bug
>> 8-  CMOS Superkeyer (Logikeyer)
>>
>> That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the
>> keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should
>> offer as built-in options.
>>
>> Each one of those keying modes has a significant real-world
following.
>> Translation: there are significant numbers of K3 users who NEED that
>> specific timing mode in order to operate close to their personal top
>> speed.
>>
>> What K3 users *don't* need is to be told to use an external keyer, an
>> adapter or some other workaround. We already know the workarounds
>> because - even after 7 years - the K3 still needs them.
>>
>>
>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question

[Al Gulseth]

Yep, I can see it now:

"Father, I have sinned by staying home to operate my KX3 in the CW contest 
instead of coming to Mass."

"You are forgiven, my son. By the way, what's that strange beeping sound I'm 
hearing?"

73, Al

On Wed December 10 2014 10:46:11 am Wayne Burdick wrote:
> The entire premise behind the KX-Line is that you can quickly disconnect
> the KX3 from the PX3 and KXPA100, then take the rig to field sites where
> minimum size/weight/cables/current drain are important criteria. Examples:
>... confessionalyou get the idea.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:24 AM, "Charlie T, K3ICH"  wrote:
> > Waddaya bet some entrepreneur makes a rear box so both can be a single
> > solid unit?
> >
> > Howzatt for cool?
> >
> > Of course, there's always duct tape.
> >
> > Chas
> > - Original Message - From: "Howard Hoyt" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 12:18 AM
> > Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question
> >
> >> Stan,
> >>
> >> If you position the PX3 to the left of the KX3, the two units can be
> >> positioned within 0.5" of each other when using all right-angle plugs,
> >> which makes the combined chassis width 13.5".
> >>
> >> We make a #33-100 KX3 & PX3 DC Power Splitter which helps facilitate
> >> neat cable management for users of the KX3 & PX3
> >> (https://proaudioeng.com/accessories/). If you are using straight plugs
> >> for your headset, you can position them as much as 2.25" apart and still
> >> use the splitter.
> >>
> >> You could also reverse the positions, in which case if you are using the
> >> splitter the PX3 can be positioned up to 1.25" to the right of the KX3,
> >> and you would have to use a right-angle BNC for the antenna connector.
> >>
> >> An additional 1" or more of separation can be achieved by removing the
> >> heatshrink and tape holding the two conductors of the splitter if
> >> necessary.
> >>
> >> Cheers & 73,
> >>
> >> Howie - WA4PSC
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[Elecraft] K3 Feature Request

[Dick Dickinson]

Override / Bypass for RX and TX EQ.  One button macro or similar.

 

 

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question

[Wayne Burdick]

The entire premise behind the KX-Line is that you can quickly disconnect the 
KX3 from the PX3 and KXPA100, then take the rig to field sites where minimum 
size/weight/cables/current drain are important criteria. Examples: living room 
easy chair, breakfast nook, yagi feed-point, mobile, HF pack, bicycle, 
motorcycle, tree fort, laundromat, Starbucks, 747, dentist, tanning salon, 
confessionalyou get the idea.

Wayne
N6KR


On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:24 AM, "Charlie T, K3ICH"  wrote:

> Waddaya bet some entrepreneur makes a rear box so both can be a single solid 
> unit?
> 
> Howzatt for cool?
> 
> Of course, there's always duct tape.
> 
> Chas
> - Original Message - From: "Howard Hoyt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 12:18 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question
> 
> 
>> Stan,
>> 
>> If you position the PX3 to the left of the KX3, the two units can be 
>> positioned within 0.5" of each other when using all right-angle plugs, which 
>> makes the combined chassis width 13.5".
>> 
>> We make a #33-100 KX3 & PX3 DC Power Splitter which helps facilitate neat 
>> cable management for users of the KX3 & PX3 
>> (https://proaudioeng.com/accessories/). If you are using straight plugs for 
>> your headset, you can position them as much as 2.25" apart and still use the 
>> splitter.
>> 
>> You could also reverse the positions, in which case if you are using the 
>> splitter the PX3 can be positioned up to 1.25" to the right of the KX3, and 
>> you would have to use a right-angle BNC for the antenna connector.
>> 
>> An additional 1" or more of separation can be achieved by removing the 
>> heatshrink and tape holding the two conductors of the splitter if necessary.
>> 
>> Cheers & 73,
>> 
>> Howie - WA4PSC
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration

[David Cole]

Hi,

I can't deal with the Mac question, but the CW question I can...

There are two memories for keying either voice, or CW.  They are called
"Bank 1" and "Bank 2".  You toggle which memory you want by pressing and
holding the REC button.  This button is in the center of the memory
select button cluster on the right side of the K3.  

Once you have a Bank selected, (1, or 2), you then tap the same button
you tapped to select a bank, (REC), and then quickly tap the memory
button corresponding to the memory number you want to record.  These
buttons are the the ones clustered around the REC button in a circle.

You then send your your CW via the keyer and watch the numbers on the
face of the K3 decrement.  When they get to zero you are done.

Alternately you can edit the memories using the K3 Utility software
Elecraft provides.  Start the software, make sure it sees your K3, then
select the "Configuration" tab across the top, that will then show you a
series of buttons you can press once it changes pages.  Press the "EDIT
CW MEMORIES" software button.  That will bring up the input dialog box
for editing the CW memories.  Things should be self-explanatory from
there on, if not, shoot me a note off list.

Remember to select the correct BANK for playback and recording, or
editing via the Utility program.  

I got nicked on that as it was not obvious to me there were two banks
until I looked at the book a few times.  I spent a few moments wondering
why when I typed in my changes to Bank 1, and then tested them by
playing them back they never changed...  I was in Bank 2, which
coincidentally had the same message programed.
   
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On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 09:04 -0700, Eklund Charles wrote:
> 1. I’m trying to figure out how to program the K3 to send CW messages. I know 
> it must be documented somewhere, but after a bit of searching I can’t find 
> instructions. If someone could point me in the right direction I would 
> appreciate it.
> 
> 2. I am contemplating converting my computer interface with the K3 from a 
> Windows environment to a Mac environment. I am a long-time Mac user and would 
> prefer that environment. I’m wondering what programs people use (rig control, 
> logging, CW and digital decoding, etc.)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chuck
> WØBBO
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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

[Phil Wheeler]

Thanks for following my suggestion, Harry.

Phil W7OX

On 12/10/14 7:02 AM, Harry White wrote:

Phil,

The Kenwood TS-990S offers "Straight Key", "Paddle", or "Paddle (Bug Key
Mode)". In addition it offers Iambic mode A and Iambic mode B when using the
electronic keyer.

73,
Harry K1RSA

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Wheeler
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:41 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

Ian,

The K14 and its kin are devices specializing in being keyers; and that's all
they were intended to do. Expecting the K3 to have the keying capabilities
of one of the specialized K1EL products seems a bit much.

A better 'industry-wide benchmark' might be to compare the K3 with other
high-end ham transceivers with regard to the keying modes they provide.

Phil W7OX

On 12/10/14 12:44 AM, Ian White wrote:

Ed - KL7UW wrote:

The K14 offers six keying modes:
1- Iambic-A
2- Iambic-B
3- Ultimatic
4- straight key
5- Dit priority
6- Dash priority


And others have also identified:
7- Mechanical bug
8-  CMOS Superkeyer (Logikeyer)

That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the
keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should
offer as built-in options.

Each one of those keying modes has a significant real-world following.
Translation: there are significant numbers of K3 users who NEED that
specific timing mode in order to operate close to their personal top
speed.

What K3 users *don't* need is to be told to use an external keyer, an
adapter or some other workaround. We already know the workarounds
because - even after 7 years - the K3 still needs them.


73 from Ian GM3SEK


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Re: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration

[Dick Dievendorff]

CW memories are described in "CW Message Record/Play" on page 30 of your K3 
owner's manual.

You can record messages with the internal keyer or use the K3 Utility's CW 
message editor.

Details and sample screen images of the CW message editor are in K3 Utility 
Help; you can use the help Index to find "CW Memories" and choose "K3 internal".

The K3 Utility is available for Windows, Mac, and Linux.  

73 de Dick, K6KR

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eklund 
Charles
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:04 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration

1. I’m trying to figure out how to program the K3 to send CW messages. I know 
it must be documented somewhere, but after a bit of searching I can’t find 
instructions. If someone could point me in the right direction I would 
appreciate it.

2. I am contemplating converting my computer interface with the K3 from a 
Windows environment to a Mac environment. I am a long-time Mac user and would 
prefer that environment. I’m wondering what programs people use (rig control, 
logging, CW and digital decoding, etc.)

Thanks

Chuck
WØBBO

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[Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration

[Eklund Charles]

1. I’m trying to figure out how to program the K3 to send CW messages. I know 
it must be documented somewhere, but after a bit of searching I can’t find 
instructions. If someone could point me in the right direction I would 
appreciate it.

2. I am contemplating converting my computer interface with the K3 from a 
Windows environment to a Mac environment. I am a long-time Mac user and would 
prefer that environment. I’m wondering what programs people use (rig control, 
logging, CW and digital decoding, etc.)

Thanks

Chuck
WØBBO

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?

[hsherriff]

This sure would be a nice Christmas present I could get for myself. .if it 
were only available by then.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, 
Elecraft"  Date:12/09/2014  3:14 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: d...@w3fpr.com,Harry Yingst ,Elecraft 
Reflector  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 
Feature Request? 
We are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope 
display 
option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now.

Stay tuned!

Eric
elecraft.com

On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option.  I 
> do 
> not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect 
> it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on 
> the 
> reflector.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as 
>> is available form the IF)
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

[Harry White]

Phil,

The Kenwood TS-990S offers "Straight Key", "Paddle", or "Paddle (Bug Key
Mode)". In addition it offers Iambic mode A and Iambic mode B when using the
electronic keyer.

73,
Harry K1RSA

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Wheeler
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:41 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

Ian,

The K14 and its kin are devices specializing in being keyers; and that's all
they were intended to do. Expecting the K3 to have the keying capabilities
of one of the specialized K1EL products seems a bit much.

A better 'industry-wide benchmark' might be to compare the K3 with other
high-end ham transceivers with regard to the keying modes they provide.

Phil W7OX

On 12/10/14 12:44 AM, Ian White wrote:
> Ed - KL7UW wrote:
>> The K14 offers six keying modes:
>> 1- Iambic-A
>> 2- Iambic-B
>> 3- Ultimatic
>> 4- straight key
>> 5- Dit priority
>> 6- Dash priority
>>
> And others have also identified:
> 7- Mechanical bug
> 8-  CMOS Superkeyer (Logikeyer)
>
> That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the 
> keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should 
> offer as built-in options.
>
> Each one of those keying modes has a significant real-world following.
> Translation: there are significant numbers of K3 users who NEED that 
> specific timing mode in order to operate close to their personal top 
> speed.
>
> What K3 users *don't* need is to be told to use an external keyer, an 
> adapter or some other workaround. We already know the workarounds 
> because - even after 7 years - the K3 still needs them.
>
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK

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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

[Phil Wheeler]

Ian,

The K14 and its kin are devices specializing in 
being keyers; and that's all they were intended to 
do. Expecting the K3 to have the keying 
capabilities of one of the specialized K1EL 
products seems a bit much.


A better 'industry-wide benchmark' might be to 
compare the K3 with other high-end ham 
transceivers with regard to the keying modes they 
provide.


Phil W7OX

On 12/10/14 12:44 AM, Ian White wrote:

Ed - KL7UW wrote:

The K14 offers six keying modes:
1- Iambic-A
2- Iambic-B
3- Ultimatic
4- straight key
5- Dit priority
6- Dash priority


And others have also identified:
7- Mechanical bug
8-  CMOS Superkeyer (Logikeyer)

That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the
keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should
offer as built-in options.

Each one of those keying modes has a significant real-world following.
Translation: there are significant numbers of K3 users who NEED that
specific timing mode in order to operate close to their personal top
speed.

What K3 users *don't* need is to be told to use an external keyer, an
adapter or some other workaround. We already know the workarounds
because - even after 7 years - the K3 still needs them.


73 from Ian GM3SEK


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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Who said anything about "behind"?

That's the last place I'd want the PX3.

The previous email stated that the package would be about 13½ inches wide 
using right angle cables.


Chas
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob N3MNT" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question


Nice idea, but mounting the PX3 behind the KX3 as one unit would impact 
the

cooling.



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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question

[Bob N3MNT]

Nice idea, but mounting the PX3 behind the KX3 as one unit would impact the
cooling.



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Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Waddaya bet some entrepreneur makes a rear box so both can be a single solid 
unit?


Howzatt for cool?

Of course, there's always duct tape.

Chas
- Original Message - 
From: "Howard Hoyt" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 12:18 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question



Stan,

If you position the PX3 to the left of the KX3, the two units can be 
positioned within 0.5" of each other when using all right-angle plugs, 
which makes the combined chassis width 13.5".


We make a #33-100 KX3 & PX3 DC Power Splitter which helps facilitate neat 
cable management for users of the KX3 & PX3 
(https://proaudioeng.com/accessories/). If you are using straight plugs 
for your headset, you can position them as much as 2.25" apart and still 
use the splitter.


You could also reverse the positions, in which case if you are using the 
splitter the PX3 can be positioned up to 1.25" to the right of the KX3, 
and you would have to use a right-angle BNC for the antenna connector.


An additional 1" or more of separation can be achieved by removing the 
heatshrink and tape holding the two conductors of the splitter if 
necessary.


Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request?

[David Cole]

Hi,

Thanks, and no need, to apologize, sometimes mail lists make it
difficult to communicate...  The addition of a single word can change
the meaning of things...  No offense taken.

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On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 22:23 -0500, Bruce Beford wrote:
> OK, "Study" was not the right term. It's a matter of knowing the basic
> functions and capabilities of a piece of equipment. Best done by reading
> (not studying) before assuming. For those of us who have had the P3 for some
> time, this _was_ obvious. My apologies.
> Bruce N1RX
> 
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[Elecraft] P3 time required to stabilize after transmit

[Mike K2MK]

With the recent talk about adding transmit monitoring to the P3 maybe there
will also be some firmware improvement on the transition time from transmit
back to receive. 

The P3 sometimes defies logic as it randomly can take seconds to return to
normal receiver monitoring after transmit. It does it in both fixed-tune
mode and tracking mode. It is infrequent and totally random.

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3?

[Ian White]

Ed - KL7UW wrote:
>
>The K14 offers six keying modes:
>1- Iambic-A
>2- Iambic-B
>3- Ultimatic
>4- straight key
>5- Dit priority
>6- Dash priority
>
And others have also identified:
7- Mechanical bug
8-  CMOS Superkeyer (Logikeyer)

That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the
keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should
offer as built-in options. 

Each one of those keying modes has a significant real-world following.
Translation: there are significant numbers of K3 users who NEED that
specific timing mode in order to operate close to their personal top
speed. 

What K3 users *don't* need is to be told to use an external keyer, an
adapter or some other workaround. We already know the workarounds
because - even after 7 years - the K3 still needs them.


73 from Ian GM3SEK


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and HRD

[Scott Simpson]

I've been very successful using the rx I/q out for data modes with hrd. I
just have to remember to set it to DATA A when I want to xmit. I use a
separate usb sound card for the interface and have it selected in hrd as
such.  Headphone out would get limited by volume and any filters where the
rx I/q is the raw output. There are also ways to run hdsdr on top of hrd as
well.

On Tuesday, December 9, 2014, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> Dave,
>
> The KX3 I &Q outputs do not have sufficient amplitude to drive the
> soundcard levels required for soundcard DATA modes such as expected by
> DM-780.
> Use the headphone output.
> If you wish to run a Panadapter application such as NaP3, HDSDR or several
> other variations, then the use of the RX I/Q output are applicable, but not
> for soundcard data mode use.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 12/9/2014 9:55 PM, Dave Sublette wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used the KX3 with the Ham Radio Deluxe DM-780 digital software
>> package?  I am trying to get the I&Q output to run the waterfall with no
>> success so far.
>>
>> Dave, K4TO
>>
>>
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