Re: [Elecraft] K3-- Not turning off
Make sure you only have ONE PTT operating. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 14, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Gene O wrote: > > Recently rearranged the operating position in my shack. Now when operating > JT65 or F8 I can activate transmit button but it "motorboats" when I try to > turn it off. I need to hit the XMIT button to turn it off. I must have a > cable in the wrong position. Can anyone point me in the right direction? > Thanks. > Gene, W2BXR > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RX antenna protection
Same situation here: small space and would like to try some low noise receive antennas. I recently bought an Array Solutions AS-RXFEP rf limiter to use on the RX Ant port of my K3. Haven't tried it yet but looks like it will do the job. 73, Drew AF2Z On 08/14/17 21:48, W1PEF wrote: I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned about strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have built-in protection? Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like some recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. Thanks for any advice... Paul W1PEF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10
Why doesn't he use the MicroHam device with the Elecraft transceiver? It works well for me. John KK9A Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: Mon Aug 14 12:27:20 EDT 2017 I need some help from the reflector. First of all, I am NOT a K3 owner. I am helping a friend remotely who is 2000 miles away. His computer was running Windows 10 and was previously working with the K3, both with the K3 Utility as well as DX4WIN. I had to rebuild the computer from scratch after a number of software problems developed. His microHAM device with several virtual COM ports is working fine (it's interfaced to a Ten-Tec Orion). It's only the K3 that we're having problems with. I have been referring to this page: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm First of all, regarding this statement, "Elecraft offers the KUSB serial-to-USB cable for USB only computers etc. Our cable was originally provided using a Prolific chip set but since approximately July of 2010 we have been shipping KUSB cables which use the FTDI chip set." How do I determine which chipset he has? Other than the virtual COM ports for the microHAM device, I see two other ports: One that says simply, "USB Com Port 3" Another port mentions a Silicon Labs driver, and it shows up on COM10. There is no overlap of any COM port numbers. I have tried both DX4WIN and the K3 utility with both COM ports (3 and 10). While there are no "unknown port" errors, neither program can communicate with the K3 on either port. So something is missing and I do not know what that is. Again, I am trying to do this remotely, so it's hard for me to pull cables, etc. to try to figure out what's going on. Can someone please suggest a course of action for me to try to debug this problem? Mainly, I don't know which of the two COM devices above *may* be for the K3, and whether the correct driver is installed. Thanks & 73 - Jim AD1C __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] RX antenna protection
I am considering a Rx antenna but my property is small and concerned about strong signals over powering the receiver. Does the K3S have built-in protection? Does anyone use a loop receive antenna or BOG antenna ... would like some recommendations from actual users of receive antennas. Have the complete K-Line and would like to improve my ability to hear. Thanks for any advice... Paul W1PEF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Remote Rig and P3?
Assuming I figure out how to transport the video (vga capture, webcam, etc) how does one connect a RemoteRig to a K3 via the serial port and still have a K3/P3 functioning connection? Has anyone done this? Thanks jim ab3cv __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Help needed at Huntsville Trade show
Hello Elecraft supporters. We are doing the Huntsville Hamfest this weekend (Aug 18, 19 and 20) in Huntsville, Alabama. We find ourselves in need of a few good volunteers. We could use help setting up on Friday. We could also use some technical support in the booth on Saturday and Sunday, any time that you have available. If you would like to volunteer please email me directly ( made...@elecraft.com) for the particulars. Thank you, Madelyn Gomez Elecraft Sales 125 Westridge Drive, Watsonville, CA. 831-763-4211 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3-- Not turning off
Recently rearranged the operating position in my shack. Now when operating JT65 or F8 I can activate transmit button but it "motorboats" when I try to turn it off. I need to hit the XMIT button to turn it off. I must have a cable in the wrong position. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks. Gene, W2BXR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig
I don't think you're missing anything, Fred. You're describing what you do at the control site whereas much of the thread has concerned the radio site. There are differences that I alluded to in my long post but did not detail. At my control site I use an SO2R box to route mic, key, phones, and PTT lines either to the local K3 or to the Control RRC, which looks to the SO2R box like another radio. This eliminates cable swapping on the Control side. (I also use an SO2R box at the radio site for real SO2R when I'm there. I omitted that in my long post for simplicity. And, finally, my control site switching makes it theoretically possible to conduct SO2Q operation with active radios at two different QTHs! That isn't legal for any contest I know of but would sure be a lot of fun. I intend to try it when I free up some desk space at my control QTH!) 73, /Rick N6XI On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Now you've gone and confused me again. [:-) My control radio is a K3 [old, > S/N 642]. I have a9PDT data switch that switches the K3 serial RS-232 CAT > port from the RemoteRig [for remote operations] to my local computer [when > running from home]. The K3 requires that I connect the mic and headphones > to the RRC box for remote and to the K3 for local operation, which is > mildly annoying. > > The K3s and K3/0 [mini] provide an integrated USB connection, and Elecraft > provides a nifty one-cable-to-three-cables mini-octopus that neatly > connects all of these, achieving exactly the same functionwith the > RemoteRig that I get, but with more appealing cables, fewer of them than I > have, and you don't have to move mic and phones. Helped a new remote user > set up his K3/0-RemoteRig a couple of weeks ago. Worked fine. What am I > missing? > > 73, > > Fred ("Skip") K6DGW > Sparks NV USA > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 8/14/2017 3:45 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > >> Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and >> internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then less >> cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I know. >> Wish it were. >> >> Jim Rhodes >> K0XU >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rta...@gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig
All good until you try to use the P3 locally. Then cabling turns into spaghetti again. We'll not exactly spaghetti but less orderly. Spoiled by local K3S/P3. ;-) jim ab3cv On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Yes, exactly. Elecraft provides [for a small charge] a cable adapter that > neatly connects the RemoteRig to the K3s or K3/0 via the USB port. Your > micand headphones go into the K3s or K3/0 giving you all the options of > front/back panel, bias on/off from the menu, etc.To operate locally from > the control site, just pull the USB connector from the RemoteRig box. > > With a K3 as control, as I have, the RemoteRig connects to the K3 RS-232 > CAT port, and when operating remote, the mic and phones go to the RRC box. > For local operation on my HOA Stealth ant, I have to disconnect the CAT > port and move the mic and phones to the K3. The K3 internal keyer only > works locally. > > So, not *all* the cablingand plugging/unplugging goes away with a K3s or > K3/0, but much of it does, what is left is fairly esthetic [if you're into > artful cables], and the functions in the K3s or K3/0 all work normally, > remote or local. Almost enough to prompt me to upgrade to a K3s. > > 73, > > Fred ("Skip") K6DGW > Sparks NV USA > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 8/14/2017 8:19 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> Thanks for all info so far. I *do* enjoy the reduced cabling resulting >> from the upgrade from K3 to K3S. Looks like that goes away with RemoteRig. >> >> I'll keep looking... >> >> 73 >> >> jim ab3cv >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to j...@jtmiller.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig
Teamviewer and similar are remote desktop tools that are indeed useful for controlling automation when the user interface application can not be run at the control site. However, like Fred says, these tools are awkward. I try to minimize their use. There are two mitigating techniques: 1. My favorite is control applications that can run as a client/server pair. In particular, KPA500 Remote, KAT500 Remote, and PstRotatorAz all have excellent client/server characteristics. When you do it this way, you have full freedom in moving, sizing, and configuring the appearance of automation control application windows at the control site. It does, however, require a computer at the remote radio site. 2. If a control application doesn't support client/server operation, it may still be usable at the control site through the use of remote serial ports. These are hardware boxes (or naked boards!) installed at the radio site that connect to the controlled device through a serial port or USB equivalent and to the Internet. At the control site, software makes the device appear as a local, virtual serial port. This technique can also be used with the above-mentioned apps that do support c/s even if you don't have a server computer at the radio site. I don't use this technique (yet) but have seen it work in others' remote control systems. 73, /Rick N6XI On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > > Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation, > including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the KPA1500. > Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer. The P3 takes > input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the remote is also > connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes work and track the > radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be forthcoming here, but > believe me, it is non-trivial. > > Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the screen > or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK but you > need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse. > -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10
Jim, just disconnect and reconnect each USB cable while watching the COM ports in Device Mangler. You'll see the port disappear and then reappear. FWIW: I never had any problems with Prolific USB-Serial chipsets until Win10 graciously installed itself in the middle of the night without asking. Turns out, there are several generations of Prolific chipsets, and there are no Win10 drivers for a couple of the oldest ones. I found an adapter with one of the more recent chipsets and it works fine. 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/14/2017 10:27 AM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: On my Win 10 machine I can tell by going to Device Manager, Ports, selecting the specific port in question, then right clicking and going to Properties. There, on all of my USB connections, it says "Manufacturer: FTDI".Hope that will help. Thanks, Bill, but I don't know which interface cable he has - it could be Prolific or FTDI, depending on how old it is. Because there are two COM ports not associated with the microHAM device (the generic "USB" and the one that has a Silicon Labs driver), I guess I have to assume that the generic USB COM port is the one that the K3 needs. I'll see what type of device it is, and if I can find the right driver for it. - Jim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig
Yes, exactly. Elecraft provides [for a small charge] a cable adapter that neatly connects the RemoteRig to the K3s or K3/0 via the USB port. Your micand headphones go into the K3s or K3/0 giving you all the options of front/back panel, bias on/off from the menu, etc.To operate locally from the control site, just pull the USB connector from the RemoteRig box. With a K3 as control, as I have, the RemoteRig connects to the K3 RS-232 CAT port, and when operating remote, the mic and phones go to the RRC box. For local operation on my HOA Stealth ant, I have to disconnect the CAT port and move the mic and phones to the K3. The K3 internal keyer only works locally. So, not *all* the cablingand plugging/unplugging goes away with a K3s or K3/0, but much of it does, what is left is fairly esthetic [if you're into artful cables], and the functions in the K3s or K3/0 all work normally, remote or local. Almost enough to prompt me to upgrade to a K3s. 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/14/2017 8:19 AM, Jim Miller wrote: Thanks for all info so far. I *do* enjoy the reduced cabling resulting from the upgrade from K3 to K3S. Looks like that goes away with RemoteRig. I'll keep looking... 73 jim ab3cv __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig
Now you've gone and confused me again. [:-) My control radio is a K3 [old, S/N 642]. I have a9PDT data switch that switches the K3 serial RS-232 CAT port from the RemoteRig [for remote operations] to my local computer [when running from home]. The K3 requires that I connect the mic and headphones to the RRC box for remote and to the K3 for local operation, which is mildly annoying. The K3s and K3/0 [mini] provide an integrated USB connection, and Elecraft provides a nifty one-cable-to-three-cables mini-octopus that neatly connects all of these, achieving exactly the same functionwith the RemoteRig that I get, but with more appealing cables, fewer of them than I have, and you don't have to move mic and phones. Helped a new remote user set up his K3/0-RemoteRig a couple of weeks ago. Worked fine. What am I missing? 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/14/2017 3:45 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote: Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then less cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I know. Wish it were. Jim Rhodes K0XU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] OT: (Inductively coupled, balanced tuner) Need info offline
I have acquired what once was an old, heavy duty, inductively coupled balanced tuner that needs to be completely rebuilt. It looks like it had never been incased, either. The parts can handle some power. I only have 100 watts, but I would like to see how the individual coils perform compared to my Johnson Matchbox with the Anneke Mod. The 8 plug-in coil units are commercially made, and are stenciled 2 to 18 MC. They are about 11 CM (4.25 in) in diameter and about 14 CM (5.5 in) long. They each have 5 banana plugs about 3.25 CM (1.25 in) apart OC. FYI- Two of the variable capacitors have 1 CM spacing between the plates, and are about 9 CM (3.5 inches) in diameter, and are about 34 CM (13.5 in) long. There are two other var caps that are smaller, but very nice. Here is the problem: The plug-in coil units have banana plugs already described. One became unscrewed on one unit and is missing. The base unit they plug into is stenciled ‘TVL BASE’ and it is missing the center socket that the banana plugs mate with. I can possibly work around this using an alligator clip, but I would like to get replacement parts if possible. So far, my searches have resulted in nothing even close. If anyone can help, please contact me off-line. Some of you have been wonderful in the past. Thanks for tolerating this post, Rich, n0ce __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 18 - More on the TTFD
True. For any given total length, the loss to the termination increases as the TX frequency goes down, and the loss vs freq curve rises rapidly near the lower end. The solution of course is to make the total length of the FD, end-to-end long enough that the termination loss at the chosen TX freq(s) is close to 3 dB. This works well for the military and government installations who often have a small number of assigned frequencies, and the ubiquitous "B&W Over Armories" version capitalizes on this. ALE complicates that strategy somewhat of course. As has been noted before, antenna choice is a basket full of trade-offs and not every application for an antenna is to make Honor Roll in a week. Paraphrasing Rowdy, my #1 while in the military, "We sometimes find ourselves trying to pick fly poop out of the pepper." In that vein, I suspect that 95%+ of the time, anything I can work with 10 W on 20 m from my K2 I can also work with 5 W on 20 m from the same K2. Of course, 87.49% of people make up their own statistics too. [:-) 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 8/14/2017 8:54 AM, Joel Hallas wrote: The one point I disagree with is the statement that the terminating resistor dissipates half the power. The power dissipated is a function of frequency and, while it is not far from 3 dB at the high end of the frequency range, it absorbs much more at the low end -- about 90%! Not only is that 10 dB less signal on transmit, but the resistor power rating needs to be 90% of the transmit output, if high duty-cycle modes are used. Note that it is not as big a problem on receive, since the receive S/N on the lower bands is sufficiently atmospheric noise limited, that the receive S/N is not greatly impacted, even though the s-meter will read lower by 10 dB. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10
On 8/14/2017 10:27 AM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: Thanks, Bill, but I don't know which interface cable he has - it could be Prolific or FTDI, depending on how old it is. This vendor, a ham in San Jose, sells a wide range of genuine FTDI USB adapter cables, including this one that's USB to DB9. http://www.ebay.com/itm/FTDI-USB-2-0-Converter-Adapter-Cable-to-RS-232-9-Pin-RS232-Serial-Port-STM-DB-9M-/151566371748?hash=item234a0f4ba4:g:dYUAAOSwbApZc97o I bought a couple of cables from him and was pleased with what I got. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10
My K3s is using an FTDI driver right this minute for BOTH Win4K3Suite and/or Elecraft K3s Config software... COM7 by the way... not that that really matters. __ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/14/2017 12:27 PM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: >> On my Win 10 machine I can tell by going to Device Manager, Ports, selecting >> the specific port in question, then right clicking and going to Properties. >> There, on all of my USB connections, it says "Manufacturer: FTDI".Hope >> that will help. > Thanks, Bill, but I don't know which interface cable he has - it could > be Prolific or FTDI, depending on how old it is. Because there are > two COM ports not associated with the microHAM device (the generic > "USB" and the one that has a Silicon Labs driver), I guess I have to > assume that the generic USB COM port is the one that the K3 needs. > I'll see what type of device it is, and if I can find the right driver > for it. > > - Jim > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10
There's your issue Either he has a counterfeit FTDI chip/unit, OR simply haven't gotten the FTDI drivers all updated. I JUST used an older Elecraft supplied FTDI cable the other day to update an Elmer's KPA500 or KAT500, I forget which and it took some doing to finally get the latest FTDI drivers on ALL the ports used for K3s, XG3, KAT500, KPA500, P3, etc... Latest driver is dated: 09/28/2016 v.2.12.24.0 according to my machine... Maybe an even newer one for Win10. __ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/14/2017 12:15 PM, Bill Rogers W3UL wrote: > Jim > > On my Win 10 machine I can tell by going to *Device Manager*,* Ports*, > selecting the specific port in question, then right clicking and going to > *Properties*. There, on all of my USB connections, it says "*Manufacturer: > FTDI*".Hope that will help. > > 73, Bill W3UL > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Jim Reisert AD1C > wrote: > >> I need some help from the reflector. First of all, I am NOT a K3 >> owner. I am helping a friend remotely who is 2000 miles away. >> >> His computer was running Windows 10 and was previously working with >> the K3, both with the K3 Utility as well as DX4WIN. I had to rebuild >> the computer from scratch after a number of software problems >> developed. His microHAM device with several virtual COM ports is >> working fine (it's interfaced to a Ten-Tec Orion). It's only the K3 >> that we're having problems with. >> >> I have been referring to this page: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm >> >> First of all, regarding this statement, "Elecraft offers the KUSB >> serial-to-USB cable for USB only computers etc. Our cable was >> originally provided using a Prolific chip set but since approximately >> July of 2010 we have been shipping KUSB cables which use the FTDI chip >> set." >> >> How do I determine which chipset he has? Other than the virtual COM >> ports for the microHAM device, I see two other ports: >> >> One that says simply, "USB Com Port 3" >> >> Another port mentions a Silicon Labs driver, and it shows up on COM10. >> >> There is no overlap of any COM port numbers. >> >> I have tried both DX4WIN and the K3 utility with both COM ports (3 and >> 10). While there are no "unknown port" errors, neither program can >> communicate with the K3 on either port. So something is missing and I >> do not know what that is. >> >> Again, I am trying to do this remotely, so it's hard for me to pull >> cables, etc. to try to figure out what's going on. >> >> Can someone please suggest a course of action for me to try to debug >> this problem? Mainly, I don't know which of the two COM devices above >> *may* be for the K3, and whether the correct driver is installed. >> >> Thanks & 73 - Jim AD1C >> >> -- >> Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3ul.b...@gmail.com >> > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10
> On my Win 10 machine I can tell by going to Device Manager, Ports, selecting > the specific port in question, then right clicking and going to Properties. > There, on all of my USB connections, it says "Manufacturer: FTDI".Hope > that will help. Thanks, Bill, but I don't know which interface cable he has - it could be Prolific or FTDI, depending on how old it is. Because there are two COM ports not associated with the microHAM device (the generic "USB" and the one that has a Silicon Labs driver), I guess I have to assume that the generic USB COM port is the one that the K3 needs. I'll see what type of device it is, and if I can find the right driver for it. - Jim -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10
Jim On my Win 10 machine I can tell by going to *Device Manager*,* Ports*, selecting the specific port in question, then right clicking and going to *Properties*. There, on all of my USB connections, it says "*Manufacturer: FTDI*".Hope that will help. 73, Bill W3UL On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: > I need some help from the reflector. First of all, I am NOT a K3 > owner. I am helping a friend remotely who is 2000 miles away. > > His computer was running Windows 10 and was previously working with > the K3, both with the K3 Utility as well as DX4WIN. I had to rebuild > the computer from scratch after a number of software problems > developed. His microHAM device with several virtual COM ports is > working fine (it's interfaced to a Ten-Tec Orion). It's only the K3 > that we're having problems with. > > I have been referring to this page: > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm > > First of all, regarding this statement, "Elecraft offers the KUSB > serial-to-USB cable for USB only computers etc. Our cable was > originally provided using a Prolific chip set but since approximately > July of 2010 we have been shipping KUSB cables which use the FTDI chip > set." > > How do I determine which chipset he has? Other than the virtual COM > ports for the microHAM device, I see two other ports: > > One that says simply, "USB Com Port 3" > > Another port mentions a Silicon Labs driver, and it shows up on COM10. > > There is no overlap of any COM port numbers. > > I have tried both DX4WIN and the K3 utility with both COM ports (3 and > 10). While there are no "unknown port" errors, neither program can > communicate with the K3 on either port. So something is missing and I > do not know what that is. > > Again, I am trying to do this remotely, so it's hard for me to pull > cables, etc. to try to figure out what's going on. > > Can someone please suggest a course of action for me to try to debug > this problem? Mainly, I don't know which of the two COM devices above > *may* be for the K3, and whether the correct driver is installed. > > Thanks & 73 - Jim AD1C > > -- > Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3ul.b...@gmail.com > -- 73, William (Bill) Rogers / W3UL Annapolis, Maryland U.S.A. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Remote computer won't communicate with K3 after re-installing Windows 10
I need some help from the reflector. First of all, I am NOT a K3 owner. I am helping a friend remotely who is 2000 miles away. His computer was running Windows 10 and was previously working with the K3, both with the K3 Utility as well as DX4WIN. I had to rebuild the computer from scratch after a number of software problems developed. His microHAM device with several virtual COM ports is working fine (it's interfaced to a Ten-Tec Orion). It's only the K3 that we're having problems with. I have been referring to this page: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm First of all, regarding this statement, "Elecraft offers the KUSB serial-to-USB cable for USB only computers etc. Our cable was originally provided using a Prolific chip set but since approximately July of 2010 we have been shipping KUSB cables which use the FTDI chip set." How do I determine which chipset he has? Other than the virtual COM ports for the microHAM device, I see two other ports: One that says simply, "USB Com Port 3" Another port mentions a Silicon Labs driver, and it shows up on COM10. There is no overlap of any COM port numbers. I have tried both DX4WIN and the K3 utility with both COM ports (3 and 10). While there are no "unknown port" errors, neither program can communicate with the K3 on either port. So something is missing and I do not know what that is. Again, I am trying to do this remotely, so it's hard for me to pull cables, etc. to try to figure out what's going on. Can someone please suggest a course of action for me to try to debug this problem? Mainly, I don't know which of the two COM devices above *may* be for the K3, and whether the correct driver is installed. Thanks & 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] KX1 For Sale
GM Guys, I have a KX1 for sale, s/n 2698. It's in excellent condition, has the ATU installed, also has the paddles. Don Wilhelm, W3FPR went thru it a few months ago and gave it a clean bill of health ! While it was there, he built and installed for me the K6XX CW indicator kit which allows you to zero beat the station with the lamp installed on the KX1. It comes with the manual of course ! I already have another KX1, and went and broke down and bought a K1, my third ! Can't seem to stay away from the K1lol ! So this one is really surplus to my needs, plus I need to put the money back in the bank I used to buy the K1lol !! Price is $450.00 firm, I'll pay shipping and insurance. I can do PayPal or M.O. Contact me at ekac...@yahoo.com Pictures on request. 72/73 de Ed N7EDK Bradenton, FL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Wanted - XG50
Does anyone UK have a used one for sale? Seems a bit of a waste to buy one new for a single use! Thanks all ;) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 18 - More on the TTFD
I agree with most of the statements about the TTFD, or B&W FD, if you prefer. While not as efficient as some, it meets a number of particular needs, especially that it has a similar directional pattern over a 5:1 frequency range -- especially useful for point-to-point links using multiple HF frequencies, either manually or by ALE. I did an assessment of this antenna and wrote a QST article on it that I recommend for those interested. The one point I disagree with is the statement that the terminating resistor dissipates half the power. The power dissipated is a function of frequency and, while it is not far from 3 dB at the high end of the frequency range, it absorbs much more at the low end -- about 90%! Not only is that 10 dB less signal on transmit, but the resistor power rating needs to be 90% of the transmit output, if high duty-cycle modes are used. Note that it is not as big a problem on receive, since the receive S/N on the lower bands is sufficiently atmospheric noise limited, that the receive S/N is not greatly impacted, even though the s-meter will read lower by 10 dB. My article is available to ARRL members on the QST print archive on the ARRL website. Sep 2010 - QST (Pg. 51) A Close Look at the Terminated Folded Dipole Antenna Regards, Joel Hallas, W1ZR Westport, CT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig
Thanks for all info so far. I *do* enjoy the reduced cabling resulting from the upgrade from K3 to K3S. Looks like that goes away with RemoteRig. I'll keep looking... 73 jim ab3cv On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 6:45 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and > internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then less > cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I know. > Wish it were. > > Jim Rhodes > K0XU > > On Aug 13, 2017 23:59, "Fred Jensen" wrote: > > > There are two questions on the list, here's what I know to both: > > > > Re quoted message below: Yes. RemoteRig will install 4 "virtual" COM > > ports. View them in the Device Manager under PORTS. If you're > fortunate, > > they will be labeled RRC-1258 COM0, -COM1, -COM2, and -COM Extra. See > > below if you're not fortunate. Following each one, in [ ], will be > another > > COM port. Find the RRC-1258 COM1 port and use the [COMx] as the port in > > your logger as the K3 port. It is really talking to the remote radio. > > It's more or less transparent. > > > > For the less fortunate: Sometimes some flavors of Win10 show the ports in > > the Device Mangler, however they will be missing the RRC-1258 label. > Watch > > as you turn on the RRC, they always seem to come up in the order listed > > above, label or not. > > > > Re your other message: Yes, it is essentially like "being there," or more > > appropriately, it is just as if your K3/mini is making the RF. There is > > just barely noticeable latency if you spin the dial rapidly, and there > will > > be some I'net QRN [quick pops, and snaps], and occasionally dropouts, > > depending on your connection and ISP. BW requirements are fairly low, > > maybe 150-200 KBps, from watching the router here[50 MBps ATT Uverse] > here. > > > > Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation, > > including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the KPA1500. > > Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer. The P3 > takes > > input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the remote is also > > connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes work and track > the > > radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be forthcoming here, > but > > believe me, it is non-trivial. > > > > Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the > screen > > or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK but you > > need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse. > > > > If you want to switch the remote radio to local when you're there, just > > disconnect the RRC-1258. A lot of the details depend on how you're > keying > > and connecting the mic/headphones/spkrs. Running remote, keying the mini > > [from the internal keyer or the key jack] keys the remote. The mic/line > in > > function just as if they were connected AT the remote. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > 73, > > > > Fred ("Skip") K6DGW > > Sparks NV USA > > Washoe County DM09dn > > > > On 8/13/2017 5:34 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > > > >> Another K3/0-mini RR question: > >> > >> If I have a laptop at the control point running my logging program or > >> N1MM+ > >> for contesting how does it communicate with K3/0-mini if the mini is > >> connected to the RR? > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> jim ab3cv > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> > >> I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig > >>> and K3/Mini for remote operation. > >>> > >>> I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some > >>> other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the > >>> rotator and power switching anyway. > >>> > >>> I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there." > >>> > >>> One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of > >>> cables > >>> when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote > >>> operation. > >>> > >>> Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this > >>> reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is > needed > >>> for the original K3. > >>> > >>> For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the > >>> cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer > any > >>> advantages when it comes to RR configuration? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> jim ab3cv > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to k6...@foothill.net > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >
Re: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer
iMic is supported by the standard "USB Audio Device" driver on Windows, iOS and LINUX. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/14/2017 9:22 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: I've had great luck with the iMic on windows 7 & 8.1, never tired 10. Also works great with every version of Linux I've tried. 73, Ross N4RP On 8/13/2017 1:12 AM, wb6r...@mac.com wrote: Griffin advertises PC compatibility but I've no experience with an iMic and a PC but I wouldn't hesitate to try it. GL - Steve WB6RSE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@n4rp.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] line IN and OUT on new computer
I've had great luck with the iMic on windows 7 & 8.1, never tired 10. Also works great with every version of Linux I've tried. 73, Ross N4RP On 8/13/2017 1:12 AM, wb6r...@mac.com wrote: Griffin advertises PC compatibility but I've no experience with an iMic and a PC but I wouldn't hesitate to try it. GL - Steve WB6RSE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.” __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] KPA 1500 and Pure Signal - a DDC/DUC SDR in the Elecraft pipeline?
G’day I am sure I am not the only one who has noticed that the new KPA 1500 has a connector on its rear panel labelled ‘TX Sample’. Reading the Elecraft FAQ on the KPA 1500, it says that this “provides a low level KPA 1500 TX RF signal for sampling use by transceivers that support closed-loop pre-distortion techniques, e.g. Pure Signal. This low-level signal is taken directly from the amplifier’s directional coupler.” For those on this reflector who are not familiar with ‘Pure Signal’, it is the name given to “the theory and implementation of the clean transmission logic developed by the OpenHPSDR team and implemented in PowerSDR [softwar as used with the ANAN radios” (see SDR-Radio.com - http://sdr-radio.com/Version-3/Transmit/Pure-Signal). Using pre-distortion, Pure Signal means that transmit IM3 can be improved significantly – up to 20dB from memory. Now Pure Signal is an SDR technique and many amateurs have been wondering when Elecraft is going to finally take a leap beyond the KX3 into digital down conversion/up conversion SDR or even the latest Direct Fourier Conversion SDR? Looks to me perhaps that the leap is not far off – unless Elecraft are seeing a big market for ANAN SDR owners buying the KPA 1500 (which, incidentally looks fabulous)? ;-) What say you, Wayne N6KR? Vy 73 Steve, VK6VZ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3s and RemoteRig
Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then less cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I know. Wish it were. Jim Rhodes K0XU On Aug 13, 2017 23:59, "Fred Jensen" wrote: > There are two questions on the list, here's what I know to both: > > Re quoted message below: Yes. RemoteRig will install 4 "virtual" COM > ports. View them in the Device Manager under PORTS. If you're fortunate, > they will be labeled RRC-1258 COM0, -COM1, -COM2, and -COM Extra. See > below if you're not fortunate. Following each one, in [ ], will be another > COM port. Find the RRC-1258 COM1 port and use the [COMx] as the port in > your logger as the K3 port. It is really talking to the remote radio. > It's more or less transparent. > > For the less fortunate: Sometimes some flavors of Win10 show the ports in > the Device Mangler, however they will be missing the RRC-1258 label. Watch > as you turn on the RRC, they always seem to come up in the order listed > above, label or not. > > Re your other message: Yes, it is essentially like "being there," or more > appropriately, it is just as if your K3/mini is making the RF. There is > just barely noticeable latency if you spin the dial rapidly, and there will > be some I'net QRN [quick pops, and snaps], and occasionally dropouts, > depending on your connection and ISP. BW requirements are fairly low, > maybe 150-200 KBps, from watching the router here[50 MBps ATT Uverse] here. > > Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation, > including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the KPA1500. > Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer. The P3 takes > input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the remote is also > connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes work and track the > radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be forthcoming here, but > believe me, it is non-trivial. > > Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the screen > or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK but you > need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse. > > If you want to switch the remote radio to local when you're there, just > disconnect the RRC-1258. A lot of the details depend on how you're keying > and connecting the mic/headphones/spkrs. Running remote, keying the mini > [from the internal keyer or the key jack] keys the remote. The mic/line in > function just as if they were connected AT the remote. > > Hope this helps > > 73, > > Fred ("Skip") K6DGW > Sparks NV USA > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 8/13/2017 5:34 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> Another K3/0-mini RR question: >> >> If I have a laptop at the control point running my logging program or >> N1MM+ >> for contesting how does it communicate with K3/0-mini if the mini is >> connected to the RR? >> >> thanks >> >> jim ab3cv >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >> >> I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig >>> and K3/Mini for remote operation. >>> >>> I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some >>> other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the >>> rotator and power switching anyway. >>> >>> I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there." >>> >>> One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of >>> cables >>> when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote >>> operation. >>> >>> Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this >>> reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is needed >>> for the original K3. >>> >>> For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the >>> cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer any >>> advantages when it comes to RR configuration? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> jim ab3cv >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k6...@foothill.net >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mail