Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
I recently had a QSO with a guy who kept sending his call with a 4S9 prefix. I didn't get it right until he told me his QTH, in Switzerland (complete call and QTH left out to protect the guilty). Oh well, time to get out my bug and call NN GT. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO On Dec 2, 2014, at 7:28 AM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: I encountered an operator named DEAN who sent it as de an and I kept copying it as from An. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: d...@lightstream.net d...@lightstream.net To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest Sorry - I wasn't clear. Of course it makes no sense to send DE prior to calling anyone if the only thing you're sending is your own call. I was referring mostly to folks who are calling CQ, especially those with a bad fist, and under poor conditions. I've heard stations with an unusual callsign who call CQ, send their call maybe three times with NO spacing between iterations. If you miss the start of the call, it takes a lot of work to sort out the longstringofpossibilitiesfromthemess. By simply sending CQ CQ CQ DE ... the DE acts as a heads-up that here is the start of my call, which gives one a fighting chance. Under good conditions, it's not a problem. I'm not a contester - ever - though I like chasing DX and actually enjoy trying to work out a strategy for pileups. And no, I never send DE under those conditions -- or even my callsign again -- unless I know the DX station has it wrong. 73, Dale WA8SRA On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, d...@lightstream.net wrote: But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters DE to preface the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with another station. NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters equivalent to please copy on SSB. Most good contesters use TU or R and end a QSO by sending TU followed by their callsign. Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it wrong. Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
HiHi...that's a good one. No mention in this thread about using a single lever paddle as a sideswiper. It may sound strange, but it's now my favorite form of sending CW. Like using a straight key on steroids. On the other hand, using a straight key still gives me warm fuzzies. Best 72/73 Steve - Steve Roberts-W1SFR Sudbury, VT http://www.kx3helper.com Stuff for portable ops and Keys too. Fists, CW OPS, QRP ARCI, SKCC, NEQRP, NAQCC, FP, ARRL, Green Mountain Wireless Society (802)779-7489 (cell) On Dec 2, 2014, at 4:55 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: I recently had a QSO with a guy who kept sending his call with a 4S9 prefix. I didn't get it right until he told me his QTH, in Switzerland (complete call and QTH left out to protect the guilty). Oh well, time to get out my bug and call NN GT. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
I'll second that. Propoer spacing is completely independent from the key used, it's a matter of OP skills! I had at least 2 guys calling me last weekend in CQ WW using a hand-key that I simply had to send elsewhere as their CW was not understandable at all, completely weired spacing! A friend of mine is just learning CW and started right away with a paddle. He feels much more comfortable with it after trying both, hand-key and paddle. Sure just a matter of personal preference. @Tom: Try both, hand-key and paddle and then decide for *youself* which one you like most. Or simply use both. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 01.12.2014 08:08, schrieb Vic Rosenthal: I don't agree. How does a straight key help you achieve proper spacing? Some of the worst sending I've ever heard comes from straight keys. Just get a paddle and let the keyer do its job. Your job will be to pay attention to the letter and word spacing. Also, as others have said, don't get an expensive paddle until you have enough experience to know what you want. The old Bencher BY1 is cheap and good. Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO On Dec 1, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-11-30 10:27 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Ok So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? With the k3 of course. On Nov 30, 2014 10:04 PM, Ray Sills raysil...@verizon.net wrote: And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dro...@necg.de
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Hi Tom, Also one thing I noticed with the decode. 9 out of 10 times the station returned my call, the first letter was decoded incorrectly, and no, I did send a V. 73's Tom certainly due to clipping the first letter on their side, i.e. not fast enough relays in PA stages, etc. It's a quite common problem ... :-( 73, Olli - DH8BQA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
I agree totally, skip the manual key, it's 2014, and you own a really hot radio, skip the 1890 technology, and get a paddle... Best is a Vibroplex... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 19:48 -0800, Fred Jensen wrote: Tom ... get a paddle and plug it into your K3! Many will tell you you need to start with a straight key, and only when you're competent can you actually try out a paddle. You will find they are universally old, as am I, but get a paddle, plug it in and send! I use the Bencher HexKey from Elecraft at home, my field radio uses a little paddle from American Morse Equipment ... other than the checks I've written, I have no financial interest, etc, etc. I have a couple of standard Benchers too, one I use left handed on the Winkey. I've used several of the high end paddles [not mine] and they are very smooth and easy. That's probably not your goal right now, give it time and practice and maybe it will be. Welcome to the world of Morse!! 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 11/30/2014 7:27 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Ok So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? With the k3 of course. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Found in this thread: I can't use a straight key any more for more than 20 minutes without a lot of pain. Yes, get a straight key, there is a great reason for one Start out with a Paddle... I wish I had... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 20:36 -0800, Eric Norris wrote: GRANT YOUNGMAN n...@tx.rr.com wrote: __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Tom, Congratulations on your discovery of CW, and on your desire to learn it and use it. I've been using CW for about 48 years now for about 90% my operating. Tons of fun! But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters DE to preface the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with another station. When conditions are poor, or your signal is weak, it has much value as a delimiter or announcement that you are about to send your call. This used to be standard practice for years, but unfortunately appears to have become optional. I have no idea why; it's so short, and easy to send... 73, and have fun! DE WA8SRA (Dale) Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@lightstream.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 CW decoder . . .
FWIW, I agree 100% with Dale (below) and with some of the other comments in this thread, based on 57 years of 99.9% CW. Specifically: Although I used a straight key for my novice year (in 1957) and a Vibroplex bug from then until about 10 years ago, I doubt that any of that learning helped my electronic fist when I started using electronic keyers like those in the K3 and the KX3. Although I have been tempted by a Begali, I am hard pressed to explain to myself why I want one (which, truthfully, I do.) Forget the decoder. Learn to copy Morse from its sound. If you are serious about DXing, an experienced brain will be a vastly better discriminator of the almost-identical sounds in a typical non-³up² pile-up than any practical decoder could be, and probably so in any heavy QRM especially where you are constantly using RIT. Without much trouble you¹ll learn to follow three or four simultaneous calls - useful for positioning your own. Above all, try NOT to develop a distinctive fist if it makes what you¹re sending less comprehensible. Just last week I worked a new (for me) DX station who was using an idiosyncratic way of sending ³R², which was how he began every transmission after his own call. It went ³DIT [long space] DH [log space] DIT. It took me ten rounds to realize that his call [disguised here to avoid insulting a station from whom I need a QSL] was XX5YY rather than XX5YYE. SK, de KN1CBR (Ted) Message: 17 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: d...@lightstream.net d...@lightstream.net To: Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest Message-ID: 54088.71.74.118.201.1417441963.squir...@mail.expedient.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Tom, Congratulations on your discovery of CW, and on your desire to learn it and use it. I've been using CW for about 48 years now for about 90% my operating. Tons of fun! But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters DE to preface the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with another station. When conditions are poor, or your signal is weak, it has much value as a delimiter or announcement that you are about to send your call. This used to be standard practice for years, but unfortunately appears to have become optional. I have no idea why; it's so short, and easy to send... 73, and have fun! DE WA8SRA (Dale) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, d...@lightstream.net wrote: But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters DE to preface the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with another station. NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters equivalent to please copy on SSB. Most good contesters use TU or R and end a QSO by sending TU followed by their callsign. Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it wrong. Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder . . .
Begali paddles are more like jewelry than something so plain-jane and ubiquitous as a code key. I send my CW via keyboard now, but I still want to have a number of Begali’s many models on my desk, even though I will probably hardly ever use them. They are simply fantastic! 73 Alan/KD7GC Alan R. Downing Phoenix, AZ From: Dauer, Edward [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n759532...@n2.nabble.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:13 AM To: kd7gc Subject: K3 CW decoder . . . FWIW, I agree 100% with Dale (below) and with some of the other comments in this thread, based on 57 years of 99.9% CW. Specifically: Although I used a straight key for my novice year (in 1957) and a Vibroplex bug from then until about 10 years ago, I doubt that any of that learning helped my electronic fist when I started using electronic keyers like those in the K3 and the KX3. Although I have been tempted by a Begali, I am hard pressed to explain to myself why I want one (which, truthfully, I do.) Forget the decoder. Learn to copy Morse from its sound. If you are serious about DXing, an experienced brain will be a vastly better discriminator of the almost-identical sounds in a typical non-³up² pile-up than any practical decoder could be, and probably so in any heavy QRM especially where you are constantly using RIT. Without much trouble you¹ll learn to follow three or four simultaneous calls - useful for positioning your own. Above all, try NOT to develop a distinctive fist if it makes what you¹re sending less comprehensible. Just last week I worked a new (for me) DX station who was using an idiosyncratic way of sending ³R², which was how he began every transmission after his own call. It went ³DIT [long space] DH [log space] DIT. It took me ten rounds to realize that his call [disguised here to avoid insulting a station from whom I need a QSL] was XX5YY rather than XX5YYE. SK, de KN1CBR (Ted) Message: 17 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: [hidden email] [hidden email] To: Tom Blahovici [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest Message-ID: [hidden email] Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Tom, Congratulations on your discovery of CW, and on your desire to learn it and use it. I've been using CW for about 48 years now for about 90% my operating. Tons of fun! But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters DE to preface the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with another station. When conditions are poor, or your signal is weak, it has much value as a delimiter or announcement that you are about to send your call. This used to be standard practice for years, but unfortunately appears to have become optional. I have no idea why; it's so short, and easy to send... 73, and have fun! DE WA8SRA (Dale) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-tp7595320.html To unsubscribe from Elecraft, click here http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=365791code=a2Q3Z2NAcS5jb218MzY1NzkxfDE3MzQ0NDk4ODY= . http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-tp7595320p7595326.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Sorry - I wasn't clear. Of course it makes no sense to send DE prior to calling anyone if the only thing you're sending is your own call. I was referring mostly to folks who are calling CQ, especially those with a bad fist, and under poor conditions. I've heard stations with an unusual callsign who call CQ, send their call maybe three times with NO spacing between iterations. If you miss the start of the call, it takes a lot of work to sort out the longstringofpossibilitiesfromthemess. By simply sending CQ CQ CQ DE ... the DE acts as a heads-up that here is the start of my call, which gives one a fighting chance. Under good conditions, it's not a problem. I'm not a contester - ever - though I like chasing DX and actually enjoy trying to work out a strategy for pileups. And no, I never send DE under those conditions -- or even my callsign again -- unless I know the DX station has it wrong. 73, Dale WA8SRA On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, d...@lightstream.net wrote: But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters DE to preface the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with another station. NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters equivalent to please copy on SSB. Most good contesters use TU or R and end a QSO by sending TU followed by their callsign. Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it wrong. Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
I encountered an operator named DEAN who sent it as de an and I kept copying it as from An. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: d...@lightstream.net d...@lightstream.net To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest Sorry - I wasn't clear. Of course it makes no sense to send DE prior to calling anyone if the only thing you're sending is your own call. I was referring mostly to folks who are calling CQ, especially those with a bad fist, and under poor conditions. I've heard stations with an unusual callsign who call CQ, send their call maybe three times with NO spacing between iterations. If you miss the start of the call, it takes a lot of work to sort out the longstringofpossibilitiesfromthemess. By simply sending CQ CQ CQ DE ... the DE acts as a heads-up that here is the start of my call, which gives one a fighting chance. Under good conditions, it's not a problem. I'm not a contester - ever - though I like chasing DX and actually enjoy trying to work out a strategy for pileups. And no, I never send DE under those conditions -- or even my callsign again -- unless I know the DX station has it wrong. 73, Dale WA8SRA On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, d...@lightstream.net wrote: But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters DE to preface the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with another station. NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters equivalent to please copy on SSB. Most good contesters use TU or R and end a QSO by sending TU followed by their callsign. Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it wrong. Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Tom, cwops.org and click on CW Academy. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 11/30/2014 3:32 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
You will find that your DX increases a lot if you use CW! :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
This also was my first contest with my new KX-3. I didn't use the decoder because I use mostly CW in my every day ops. The interface with my new logging program with its access to DX spots gave me the most DXCC contacts ever! I worked the world in couple of hour with only 5 watts. Sent from my iPod On Nov 30, 2014, at 16:32, Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gordi...@me.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
That sounds interesting. I tried calling CQ with the terminal but that was a disaster. Inevitably, the answering station was enough off frequency that the radio wouldn't decode. Also one thing I noticed with the decode. 9 out of 10 times the station returned my call, the first letter was decoded incorrectly, and no, I did send a V. 73's Tom On Nov 30, 2014 8:08 PM, lmarion lmar...@mt.net wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Even better than calling CQ, listen. Then, follow the advice of The Old Timer: When you hear 'em, call 'em! It's just that simple. Mastery of CW will pay rich dividends if you want to be a DXer. All the top ones have mastered it. 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 7:08 PM, lmarion lmar...@mt.net wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jalleninv...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Tom, I've used the Elecraft CW decoder; it's OK, but not great. I now use CWSkimmer. It appears to be heads and shoulder above what Elecraft coded. Some my buddies use CWget. They seem to really like that program. However, there is technique that needs to be learned. As I stated, I use Skimmer. I set it up for the proper offset and CW tone I use, the same as that for my KX3. At this point the trick is to zero beat the station you want to work using the spot button on the KX3. This should align the other guy for proper decoding. You won't do runs this way, but you will work a lot of stations. It worked amazingly well this weekend on 40 where the QRM level was unreal. I use search and pounce for contesting and do pretty well. Try it, and good luck. 73, Barry K3NDM - Original Message - From: Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca To: lmarion lmar...@mt.net Cc: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:13:19 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest That sounds interesting. I tried calling CQ with the terminal but that was a disaster. Inevitably, the answering station was enough off frequency that the radio wouldn't decode. Also one thing I noticed with the decode. 9 out of 10 times the station returned my call, the first letter was decoded incorrectly, and no, I did send a V. 73's Tom On Nov 30, 2014 8:08 PM, lmarion lmar...@mt.net wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Ok So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? With the k3 of course. On Nov 30, 2014 10:04 PM, Ray Sills raysil...@verizon.net wrote: And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Tom ... get a paddle and plug it into your K3! Many will tell you you need to start with a straight key, and only when you're competent can you actually try out a paddle. You will find they are universally old, as am I, but get a paddle, plug it in and send! I use the Bencher HexKey from Elecraft at home, my field radio uses a little paddle from American Morse Equipment ... other than the checks I've written, I have no financial interest, etc, etc. I have a couple of standard Benchers too, one I use left handed on the Winkey. I've used several of the high end paddles [not mine] and they are very smooth and easy. That's probably not your goal right now, give it time and practice and maybe it will be. Welcome to the world of Morse!! 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 11/30/2014 7:27 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Ok So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? With the k3 of course. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-11-30 10:27 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Ok So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? With the k3 of course. On Nov 30, 2014 10:04 PM, Ray Sills raysil...@verizon.net wrote: And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
I like the Vibroplex straight keY--it's smooth. For paddles, the Brass Racer paddle (also Vibroplex, both current production). If you get the Bug bug, buy an older Vibroplex bug with the I style damper, and a Vari-Eze (bar style) to slow it down. You can send perfect code from 11wpm up. The Champion and Lightning models had the oldI damper. You can then extend the Vari-eze straight out the rear of the bug. You can't do that with newer-style dampers. The Viz Vertical is also a great bug that can be slowed down--just ask Tom to make you a double-length weight, and extend it up beyond the damper peg. Some will tell you to buy these brass weights sold for another use, or just use solder. These have never worked for me. If you add too much weight, it screws up your timing--you need the longer arm. Just please do not become one of the many lids who send at 13wpm with their bugs making 30wpm dits. Ewww! And keep your contacts clean to avoid that awful scratchy sound I'm happy to work a QRS sked on the air with you on CW anytime. 73 Eric WD6DBM Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca wrote: Ok So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? With the k3 of course. On Nov 30, 2014 10:04 PM, Ray Sills raysil...@verizon.net wrote: And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to norrislawfi...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Hi I knew I shouldn't of asked I now have suggestions of probably about 40 or so keys... I'll think I'll start pure.. Just a straight key. I had one, but the spring flew out and I never found it. So I guess the vibroflex? On Nov 30, 2014 10:52 PM, Eric Norris norrislawfi...@gmail.com wrote: I like the Vibroplex straight keY--it's smooth. For paddles, the Brass Racer paddle (also Vibroplex, both current production). If you get the Bug bug, buy an older Vibroplex bug with the I style damper, and a Vari-Eze (bar style) to slow it down. You can send perfect code from 11wpm up. The Champion and Lightning models had the oldI damper. You can then extend the Vari-eze straight out the rear of the bug. You can't do that with newer-style dampers. The Viz Vertical is also a great bug that can be slowed down--just ask Tom to make you a double-length weight, and extend it up beyond the damper peg. Some will tell you to buy these brass weights sold for another use, or just use solder. These have never worked for me. If you add too much weight, it screws up your timing--you need the longer arm. Just please do not become one of the many lids who send at 13wpm with their bugs making 30wpm dits. Ewww! And keep your contacts clean to avoid that awful scratchy sound I'm happy to work a QRS sked on the air with you on CW anytime. 73 Eric WD6DBM Tom Blahovici tom...@videotron.ca wrote: Ok So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? With the k3 of course. On Nov 30, 2014 10:04 PM, Ray Sills raysil...@verizon.net wrote: And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to norrislawfi...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. I have to agree. Straight key first, without question. VIbroplex, J-38, yada yada, just about anything that is a decent key. Many to choose from. Learn the code and most importantly GOOD timing. Get your speed up. Then worry about a bug or single/dual lever paddles and the different keyer modes, and don’t be in a hurry to move to something glitzy. Grant NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
If I had to use a straight key, I would give up CW entirely. I went right to paddles and a keyer. I have about 20 various CW capable radios, every one of them has a built in keyer Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? Leroy AB7CE -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GRANT YOUNGMAN Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:11 PM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. I have to agree. Straight key first, without question. VIbroplex, J-38, yada yada, just about anything that is a decent key. Many to choose from. Learn the code and most importantly GOOD timing. Get your speed up. Then worry about a bug or single/dual lever paddles and the different keyer modes, and don’t be in a hurry to move to something glitzy. Grant NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
I agree, straight key first--unless you have tendon or other issues in your hand/wrist/arm--in which case go to paddles. I can't use a straight key any more for more than 20 minutes without a lot of pain. Have fun! Oh, one more thing--there are fewer lids, asholes, and many more superb ops and just plain interesting people on CW :-) 73 Eric WD6DBM GRANT YOUNGMAN n...@tx.rr.com wrote: A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. I have to agree. Straight key first, without question. VIbroplex, J-38, yada yada, just about anything that is a decent key. Many to choose from. Learn the code and most importantly GOOD timing. Get your speed up. Then worry about a bug or single/dual lever paddles and the different keyer modes, and don’t be in a hurry to move to something glitzy. Grant NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to norrislawfi...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? Absolutely not! One need only listen to the number of *BAD* fists with paddles - maladjusted keyers, letters run together, short word spaces, missing dits, etc. are all quite common. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-11-30 11:25 PM, Leroy Marion wrote: If I had to use a straight key, I would give up CW entirely. I went right to paddles and a keyer. I have about 20 various CW capable radios, every one of them has a built in keyer Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? Leroy AB7CE -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GRANT YOUNGMAN Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:11 PM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. I have to agree. Straight key first, without question. VIbroplex, J-38, yada yada, just about anything that is a decent key. Many to choose from. Learn the code and most importantly GOOD timing. Get your speed up. Then worry about a bug or single/dual lever paddles and the different keyer modes, and don’t be in a hurry to move to something glitzy. Grant NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
There is nothing inherent in a paddle that causes bad CW any more than a straight key causes bad CW. There is tons of horrible CW sent with straight keys. Just listen a bit. They are not hard to find. If you want to learn good timing with either a paddle or straight key then practice sending and let a computer decode what you send. It will spot most all errors regardless of the method of sending. Sloppy timing has nothing to do with the instrument used. It is 100% with the op and their failure to practice with whatever they are using. Poor timing is plentiful from both straight keys and paddles. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 11/30/14 11:09 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? Absolutely not! One need only listen to the number of *BAD* fists with paddles - maladjusted keyers, letters run together, short word spaces, missing dits, etc. are all quite common. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-11-30 11:25 PM, Leroy Marion wrote: If I had to use a straight key, I would give up CW entirely. I went right to paddles and a keyer. I have about 20 various CW capable radios, every one of them has a built in keyer Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? Leroy AB7CE -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GRANT YOUNGMAN Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:11 PM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. I have to agree. Straight key first, without question. VIbroplex, J-38, yada yada, just about anything that is a decent key. Many to choose from. Learn the code and most importantly GOOD timing. Get your speed up. Then worry about a bug or single/dual lever paddles and the different keyer modes, and don’t be in a hurry to move to something glitzy. Grant NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ho13d...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
I don't agree. How does a straight key help you achieve proper spacing? Some of the worst sending I've ever heard comes from straight keys. Just get a paddle and let the keyer do its job. Your job will be to pay attention to the letter and word spacing. Also, as others have said, don't get an expensive paddle until you have enough experience to know what you want. The old Bencher BY1 is cheap and good. Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO On Dec 1, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-11-30 10:27 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Ok So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? With the k3 of course. On Nov 30, 2014 10:04 PM, Ray Sills raysil...@verizon.net wrote: And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest
Go with a paddle and electronic keyer, or use the inbuilt rig keyer, Iambic or not is up to you, also Mode A or B whichever feels comfortable. You can play with the straight if you wish key when you know how good CW sounds. Most important... LISTEN to what good CW sounds like, using programs such as Koch Trainer, Just Learn Morse Code and Morse Runner for contest practice. Lots of good CW on air but also lots of VERY poor CW, spacing is important. Good luck... 73, Denis F5VJC On 1 December 2014 at 08:08, Vic Rosenthal k2vco@gmail.com wrote: I don't agree. How does a straight key help you achieve proper spacing? Some of the worst sending I've ever heard comes from straight keys. Just get a paddle and let the keyer do its job. Your job will be to pay attention to the letter and word spacing. Also, as others have said, don't get an expensive paddle until you have enough experience to know what you want. The old Bencher BY1 is cheap and good. Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO On Dec 1, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-11-30 10:27 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Ok So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? With the k3 of course. On Nov 30, 2014 10:04 PM, Ray Sills raysil...@verizon.net wrote: And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing it. 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. Leroy AB7CE On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: Hi Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. 73's Tom va2fsq.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tom...@videotron.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to foxfive@gmail.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder - minor sw request
I've had some correspondence regarding my proposal for added characters. Looking at the K3 display on page 12 in the K3 manual, it may be that the display cannot show the details required for these characters. That gives two options: 1. Show the three umlaut characters with a bar over instead. The display can show them as small o, a, u with an overbar. Also show the a with ring as a small a with an accent grave (falling bar) on top 2. Just show the unaccented characters Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote ---. = Ö (o with umlaut, two dots over o) .-.- = Ä (a with umlaut, two dots over a) .--.- = Å (a with ring) ..-- = Ü (u with umlaut, two dots over u) - Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-minor-sw-request-tp7572913p7572981.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder - minor sw request
I have another suggestion, perhaps use double characters. ---. = OE (o with umlaut, two dots over o) .-.- = AE (a with umlaut, two dots over a) .--.- = AA (a with ring) ..-- = UE (u with umlaut, two dots over u) Only disadvantage, it eats up one character space of available display space. But as these characters are relatively rare it should be OK. Frode, LA2RL On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) la...@nrrl.no wrote: I've had some correspondence regarding my proposal for added characters. Looking at the K3 display on page 12 in the K3 manual, it may be that the display cannot show the details required for these characters. That gives two options: 1. Show the three umlaut characters with a bar over instead. The display can show them as small o, a, u with an overbar. Also show the a with ring as a small a with an accent grave (falling bar) on top 2. Just show the unaccented characters Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote ---. = Ö (o with umlaut, two dots over o) .-.- = Ä (a with umlaut, two dots over a) .--.- = Å (a with ring) ..-- = Ü (u with umlaut, two dots over u) - Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-minor-sw-request-tp7572913p7572981.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder - minor sw request
even when I could like have ñ, á..ú, and don't forget the french acute, Ç and others but Morse code have a standard and is ok that they follow it. we NEED to learn morse to get our novice license, and my teachers never tech me the morse for Ñ, just say: use N and they have reason, because if I ear a ..-- I wont know what letter is that. regards Gus LU6HXV On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:07 AM, Frode LA2RL la2romeol...@gmail.com wrote: I have another suggestion, perhaps use double characters. ---. = OE (o with umlaut, two dots over o) .-.- = AE (a with umlaut, two dots over a) .--.- = AA (a with ring) ..-- = UE (u with umlaut, two dots over u) Only disadvantage, it eats up one character space of available display space. But as these characters are relatively rare it should be OK. Frode, LA2RL On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) la...@nrrl.no wrote: I've had some correspondence regarding my proposal for added characters. Looking at the K3 display on page 12 in the K3 manual, it may be that the display cannot show the details required for these characters. That gives two options: 1. Show the three umlaut characters with a bar over instead. The display can show them as small o, a, u with an overbar. Also show the a with ring as a small a with an accent grave (falling bar) on top 2. Just show the unaccented characters Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote ---. = Ö (o with umlaut, two dots over o) .-.- = Ä (a with umlaut, two dots over a) .--.- = Å (a with ring) ..-- = Ü (u with umlaut, two dots over u) - Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-minor-sw-request-tp7572913p7572981.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder - minor sw request
The importance of accented letters probably varies from language to language, but in Scandinavia we actually both learn and use the Ä, Ö, and Å in Morse code, so that is the reason for my request. I know this is different in e.g. written French where it seems like one may actually chose to include the accents or not for capital letters and in a headline. That would not work in any of the Scandinavian languages. Gustavo Villada wrote even when I could like have ñ, á..ú, and don't forget the french acute, Ç and others and they have reason, because if I ear a ..-- I wont know what letter is that. - Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-minor-sw-request-tp7572913p7572988.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder - minor sw request
I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code#Non-English_extensions where are the letter that you ask for. I don't know if those are ITU official or not, but if are, will be nice that engineer add support to those chars, I don't believe that could be really hard to add (I'm computer programmer) On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) la...@nrrl.no wrote: The importance of accented letters probably varies from language to language, but in Scandinavia we actually both learn and use the Ä, Ö, and Å in Morse code, so that is the reason for my request. I know this is different in e.g. written French where it seems like one may actually chose to include the accents or not for capital letters and in a headline. That would not work in any of the Scandinavian languages. Gustavo Villada wrote even when I could like have ñ, á..ú, and don't forget the french acute, Ç and others and they have reason, because if I ear a ..-- I wont know what letter is that. - Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-minor-sw-request-tp7572913p7572988.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder - minor sw request
Here is the official ITU paper on the International Morse code. The only accented character is e ..-.. http://www.g4dmp.co.uk/itu-rec-m1677.pdf 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Gustavo Villada vill...@gmail.com writes I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code#Non-English_extensions where are the letter that you ask for. I don't know if those are ITU official or not, but if are, will be nice that engineer add support to those chars, I don't believe that could be really hard to add (I'm computer programmer) -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder - minor sw request
The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. On 4/24/2013 10:11 AM, David G4DMP wrote: Here is the official ITU paper on the International Morse code. The only accented character is e ..-.. http://www.g4dmp.co.uk/itu-rec-m1677.pdf 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Gustavo Villada vill...@gmail.com writes I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code#Non-English_extensions where are the letter that you ask for. I don't know if those are ITU official or not, but if are, will be nice that engineer add support to those chars, I don't believe that could be really hard to add (I'm computer programmer) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3: CW decoder - minor sw request
I have recently started to have more Scandinavian CW QSOs and use the CW decoder from time to time. But in the middle of many words it just shows a big * due to a lack of some non-English characters. Would it be possible to add four characters which would cover German, Swedish, Finnish, and sort of Norwegian/Danish also, possibly other languages as well. They are: ---. = Ö (o with umlaut, two dots over o) .-.- = Ä (a with umlaut, two dots over a) .--.- = Å (a with ring) ..-- = Ü (u with umlaut, two dots over u) Hopefully, this won't take up much code space. - Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-minor-sw-request-tp7572913.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question
The CW decode displays it's output to the VFO B window. But most of the time that window is displaying the VFO 'B' frequency. Question is How do I remove the VFO 'B' frequency info and display ONLY the CW decoded info? Phil Santa Fe Thanks Listening for SOTA on 14.061 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question
Thanks for bringing this up. I was afraid I was the only one who wanted this option. ...bill nr4c Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid -Original message- From: Phil Townsend phi...@mac.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, Aug 12, 2012 18:22:32 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question The CW decode displays it's output to the VFO B window. But most of the time that window is displaying the VFO 'B' frequency. Question is How do I remove the VFO 'B' frequency info and display ONLY the CW decoded info? Phil Santa Fe Thanks Listening for SOTA on 14.061 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question
Tap the display button. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conkling Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 11:27 AM To: Phil Townsend; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question Thanks for bringing this up. I was afraid I was the only one who wanted this option. ...bill nr4c Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid -Original message- From: Phil Townsend phi...@mac.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, Aug 12, 2012 18:22:32 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question The CW decode displays it's output to the VFO B window. But most of the time that window is displaying the VFO 'B' frequency. Question is How do I remove the VFO 'B' frequency info and display ONLY the CW decoded info? Phil Santa Fe Thanks Listening for SOTA on 14.061 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question
Yeah, but that takes away the decoding as well, brings up other stuff... ...bc nr4c -Original Message- From: Adrian [mailto:vk4...@bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:14 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question Tap the display button. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conkling Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 11:27 AM To: Phil Townsend; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question Thanks for bringing this up. I was afraid I was the only one who wanted this option. ...bill nr4c Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid -Original message- From: Phil Townsend phi...@mac.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, Aug 12, 2012 18:22:32 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question The CW decode displays it's output to the VFO B window. But most of the time that window is displaying the VFO 'B' frequency. Question is How do I remove the VFO 'B' frequency info and display ONLY the CW decoded info? Phil Santa Fe Thanks Listening for SOTA on 14.061 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question
Sorry, yes of course the cwt decode works when the freq is displayed tap changes to multimode tech displ etc. I messed up on my recall there sorry. I do not have an issue though, all decode shows, and I use 4.48 firmware. The 4.51 ver does not give me anything I need. Adrian ... vk4tux -Original Message- From: Bill Conkling [mailto:n...@widomaker.com] Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 1:32 PM To: 'Adrian'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question Yeah, but that takes away the decoding as well, brings up other stuff... ...bc nr4c -Original Message- From: Adrian [mailto:vk4...@bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:14 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question Tap the display button. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conkling Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 11:27 AM To: Phil Townsend; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question Thanks for bringing this up. I was afraid I was the only one who wanted this option. ...bill nr4c Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid -Original message- From: Phil Townsend phi...@mac.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, Aug 12, 2012 18:22:32 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder question The CW decode displays it's output to the VFO B window. But most of the time that window is displaying the VFO 'B' frequency. Question is How do I remove the VFO 'B' frequency info and display ONLY the CW decoded info? Phil Santa Fe Thanks Listening for SOTA on 14.061 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] k3 cw decoder and external keyer. does it work?
Hi I just connected an external superkeyer to the straight key port of my k3. The internal cw decoder does'nt decode my cw! Something wrong? thanks luca 73 de iz0fyl -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k3-cw-decoder-and-external-keyer-does-it-work-tp5948183p5948183.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] k3 cw decoder and external keyer. does it work?
The output of external keyers normally looks like a straight key to the device they are connected to. The internal decoder only works with paddles. iz0fyl wrote: Hi I just connected an external superkeyer to the straight key port of my k3. The internal cw decoder does'nt decode my cw! Something wrong? thanks luca 73 de iz0fyl - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k3-cw-decoder-and-external-keyer-does-it-work-tp5948183p5948225.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 CW decoder
I didn´t get the point yet. The manual says to try change the THR from Auto to 5. The speed is right but even strong sigs it´s hard to find the point and decode it. Also the manual says to move the WIDTH from.50 to 100-200hz but Any trick ??? Tnx a lot PY2ADR / ZY2C __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder
The most important thing is to make sure that the CWT is lineing up in the EXACT center. In other words, make sure the little black bar that indicates when your CW is in the Center of the IF is lined up in the CENTER of the graph on the display. The next more important thing is to make sure that if you're NOT going to use the Auto mode that you try the LOWEST setting first. Think of it as noise gate, if you set the gate too high than NO signal will pass in and be decoded. Once you have the signal set right, and the Threshold is set okay, than you should try to keep your filter set somewhere around 100 or 150Hz. Also, try reducing your RF gain so that you don't have as much noise along with the signal. You can try runing your at NR 1-4. That seems to work very well for this too.. The less the amount of noise you have on top of the signal the better the chances are it will decode. If YOU can't understand the code, don't expect the K3 to be able to. From: adriano.pera...@uol.com.br To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:37:58 -0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder I didn´t get the point yet. The manual says to try change the THR from Auto to 5. The speed is right but even strong sigs it´s hard to find the point and decode it. Also the manual says to move the WIDTH from.50 to 100-200hz but Any trick ??? Tnx a lot PY2ADR / ZY2C __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:37:58 -0200, Adriano adriano.pera...@uol.com.br wrote: Adriano, You may be trying to decode someone who is sending with their right foot (sending bad CW ). When using decoders the characters must be formed correctly. That is, the Dahs, Dits and spacing must be in the correct proportion or very close to it for the decoder to work. There is no replacement for the brain when decoding CW. Tom Radio Amateur N5GE QCWA Member 35102 I didn´t get the point yet. The manual says to try change the THR from Auto to 5. The speed is right but even strong sigs it´s hard to find the point and decode it. Also the manual says to move the WIDTH from.50 to 100-200hz but Any trick ??? Tnx a lot PY2ADR / ZY2C __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder, Not very good
I think the K3 CW decoder is surprisingly good, but it will lose the signal when it gets weak whereas I have seen the PC sound card decoder MRP40 continue to decode a signal that has gone into the noise and I can't hear. All computer decoders tend to be thrown by noise, interference and irregular sending. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Decoder-Not-very-good-tp5180238p5180926.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder, Works better now.
Thanks, I got some help from a fellow that told me about adjusting the decoder threshold from or off the auto setting. Works better now... I have been off cw for many years and have been trying to get back in to it. Thought it would be nice to see what I was copying to get my speed back up. I was having trouble getting the decoder to copy much of anything... I understand depending on what is being sent, how the decoder will or will not copy. By adjusting the threshold, and using the cwt, I was able to get it to work much better. Thanks, for the help. Best 73' Joe / w7joe --- On Tue, 6/15/10, Mike Kravitz mikekrav...@comcast.net wrote: From: Mike Kravitz mikekrav...@comcast.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder, Not very good To: w7...@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 1:27 PM Hi Joe, I think the real problem is in trying to read hand generated code. If you copy CW in a contest you will have pretty good success because most of the stations that are running contacts are using their PC Contest Program (like WriteLog) to generate the code. I frequently do this to copy the 35 WPM and up guys. I try to improve my personal code sending ability by practicing with my paddle and the K3 in TEST mode. I have a Begali non-iambic keyer paddle feeding into the paddle jack of my K3. (So I can't blame my tools). I'm looking at the K3 decoder while sending. To my ears it sounds great. But when I look at the decoded text I see the following: When I send an R, I frequently see EN When I send an L, I frequently see ED When I send a P, I frequently see AN or EG When I send a C, I frequently see NN or KE The errors become more pronounced as I increase sending speed. I usually start at 23 WPM and work my way up to 26 or 27 WPM. I have also used WriteLog to decode my sent code and I see the same type of problems. 73, Mike K2MK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder, Not very good
Being associated with people who have spent a career in automating/computerizing copy of human directly generated communication, they will tell you that the human mind has some abilities to fill, connect, and decode in a manner that are simply not understood by anyone, anywhere...only envied. In other instances, the difficulty is that long running algorithms can decode, but the processing and hardware cost makes it unmarketable for the general public or useless in response-time-critical situations, such as a ham contest. They are working on it, because there is HUGE money in it for the breakthroughs. The amount of RD money spent on these kinds of things is staggering. From their perspective, you are lucky to have the degree of copy that you do. Conspiracy theories abound that breakthroughs have been made but are top secret, in use by military, CIA for monitoring voice channels for trigger phrases. I tend to discount it because the end results seem not to have the improvements such would bring. Given the success that Skimmer is having, it would seem that export of that function to a PC would garner resource levels to the problem not available internally to the K3, if you are not satisfied with the most recent K3 improvements. 73, Guy. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO w5...@cybermesa.net wrote: So that begs the question, I suppose -- is CW sent by a keyer with paddle machine-sent or hand-sent? It's actually both, of course. Some of the metrics are controlled by logic (hardware and/or software), but inter-character and inter-word spacing are controlled by the human operator. In my experience, this is usually enough to screw up the K3's decoding algorithm. And of course once you start talking about bug-sent or straight-key-sent code, that's another planet altogether. Developing a really brainy hand-sent CW decoder would be very challenging, to say the least -- and even if you could do it, it would almost certainly require way more number-crunching horsepower than is available in the K3's processor. It's one of those things that fall under the label, Theoretically possible, but why bother? There are many much more useful machine-generated digital encoding methods available today. I think Morse code decoding should probably be allowed to remain in the wetware domain. If you need a CW decoder, let me suggest that PRACTICE has been known to work very well when applied consistently. :-) Bill W5WVO -- From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 PM To: Joe Reaves w7...@yahoo.com Cc: elecraft mail elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder, Not very good Joe. If you are trying to decode hand sent CW. you will likely have to provide a lot of fills unless the sending operator is quite skilled at timing and spacing. Machine sent (keyboard or computer) CW should be easily decoded. 73, Don W3FPR Joe Reaves wrote: Hello friends, I have been trying to get my K3 decoder to work better by trying, cutting back on the RF gain, using narrow filtering, to limit noise. tuning back and forth across the signal to find a good copy spot. Just can't seem to get it to read very well no matter what I try...? Even strong signals don't seem to read very well... Is there a way to improver the cw code reader / decoder in the K3 ? Thanks, Best 73' Joe R. / W7Joe __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder, Not very good
Hello friends, I have been trying to get my K3 decoder to work better by trying, cutting back on the RF gain, using narrow filtering, to limit noise. tuning back and forth across the signal to find a good copy spot. Just can't seem to get it to read very well no matter what I try...? Even strong signals don't seem to read very well... Is there a way to improver the cw code reader / decoder in the K3 ? Thanks, Best 73' Joe R. / W7Joe __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder, Not very good
Joe, I do a LOT of RTTY work, and have since about 1972 and have tried nearly all the supposed RTTY/CW decoders over those years and NONE of them have ever decoded hand generated CW very well. They do okay on machine (keyboard) generated CW, but hardly any copy on a fist. Humans just aren't consistent enough, hi. 73, Don, WB5HAK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder, Not very good
Joe. If you are trying to decode hand sent CW. you will likely have to provide a lot of fills unless the sending operator is quite skilled at timing and spacing. Machine sent (keyboard or computer) CW should be easily decoded. 73, Don W3FPR Joe Reaves wrote: Hello friends, I have been trying to get my K3 decoder to work better by trying, cutting back on the RF gain, using narrow filtering, to limit noise. tuning back and forth across the signal to find a good copy spot. Just can't seem to get it to read very well no matter what I try...? Even strong signals don't seem to read very well... Is there a way to improver the cw code reader / decoder in the K3 ? Thanks, Best 73' Joe R. / W7Joe __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder, Not very good
So that begs the question, I suppose -- is CW sent by a keyer with paddle machine-sent or hand-sent? It's actually both, of course. Some of the metrics are controlled by logic (hardware and/or software), but inter-character and inter-word spacing are controlled by the human operator. In my experience, this is usually enough to screw up the K3's decoding algorithm. And of course once you start talking about bug-sent or straight-key-sent code, that's another planet altogether. Developing a really brainy hand-sent CW decoder would be very challenging, to say the least -- and even if you could do it, it would almost certainly require way more number-crunching horsepower than is available in the K3's processor. It's one of those things that fall under the label, Theoretically possible, but why bother? There are many much more useful machine-generated digital encoding methods available today. I think Morse code decoding should probably be allowed to remain in the wetware domain. If you need a CW decoder, let me suggest that PRACTICE has been known to work very well when applied consistently. :-) Bill W5WVO -- From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 PM To: Joe Reaves w7...@yahoo.com Cc: elecraft mail elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder, Not very good Joe. If you are trying to decode hand sent CW. you will likely have to provide a lot of fills unless the sending operator is quite skilled at timing and spacing. Machine sent (keyboard or computer) CW should be easily decoded. 73, Don W3FPR Joe Reaves wrote: Hello friends, I have been trying to get my K3 decoder to work better by trying, cutting back on the RF gain, using narrow filtering, to limit noise. tuning back and forth across the signal to find a good copy spot. Just can't seem to get it to read very well no matter what I try...? Even strong signals don't seem to read very well... Is there a way to improver the cw code reader / decoder in the K3 ? Thanks, Best 73' Joe R. / W7Joe __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Decoder [Suggestions for adjustment]
Hi Joe, If you've already narrowed the filter and tuned the signal in properly (with the aid of CWT), the next step is to adjust the threshold of the decoder. Hold the TEXT DEC switch, then use VFO A to adjust the threshold until the CWT icon blink is closely correlated with the incoming CW signal. You can set it to AUTO, too, but it takes several seconds to acquire. I find manually selecting a threshold works best. Of course if the signal is weak, noisy, or fading in and out, the decoder will have a much harder time. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jun 14, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Joe Reaves wrote: Hello friends, I have been trying to get my K3 decoder to work better by trying, cutting back on the RF gain, using narrow filtering, to limit noise. tuning back and forth across the signal to find a good copy spot. Just can't seem to get it to read very well no matter what I try...? Even strong signals don't seem to read very well... Is there a way to improver the cw code reader / decoder in the K3 ? Thanks, Best 73' Joe R. / W7Joe __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder
Hello Jeff, I work the satellites all the time. Just send QRS and I'm sure the op will slow down. Very seldom one won't. 98 percent of the cw ops will be glad to slow down and work you. Don...w2xb Jeff Wandling W7BRS via K3List wrote: Strange question, but I have the need to keep using the decoder crutch and... Is there a way to pipe in audio from a different radio and let the K3 decode the CW? I have an IC-910 and I work satellites. Sometimes the other ops go 9billion WPM and I sorta need to figure out who the heck they are.. the K3 CW decoder so far has been pretty useful. I was wondering if there was a recpie for it decoding from a different rig? Thanks, Happy Festivus, for the rest of us. -jeff -- Jeff Wandling DE W7BRS K3 #2105 http://w7brs.com/k3 j...@w7brs.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-tp1692862p1693794.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 CW decoder
Strange question, but I have the need to keep using the decoder crutch and... Is there a way to pipe in audio from a different radio and let the K3 decode the CW? I have an IC-910 and I work satellites. Sometimes the other ops go 9billion WPM and I sorta need to figure out who the heck they are.. the K3 CW decoder so far has been pretty useful. I was wondering if there was a recpie for it decoding from a different rig? Thanks, Happy Festivus, for the rest of us. -jeff -- Jeff Wandling DE W7BRS K3 #2105 http://w7brs.com/k3 j...@w7brs.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: CW decoder
I am surprised to see that the CW decoder interprets the break sign (-...-) as BT rather than as =. I note that the full stop, comma, stroke (US slash), @ and the question mark are all correctly interpreted, but the inverted commas (.-..-.) are missing. I am presuming that these refinements will be included as firmware time permits. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder
I don't own a K3 yet but from the research I've done (and I've done a LOT) I think the K3 is where I'm going to go. When i say a lot thats to say that I've read at least 15 or 20 QST reviews and I've read 80%+ of the manual for 8 or 9 rigs. The K3 really shines! Now for the request. Its something that I really wish I had on my K1. I know a lot of you guys are pros at CW and crank that thing to the hilt and let er rip but I'm just getting into the stuff. I find that I like to set the keyer speed at about 13 or so and send at farnsworth 5WPM spacing (or so). The problem is when calling CQ and having the keyer play your CQ for you you can't leave it set at 13 or the guy responding to you will be going way too fast. So then I end up setting it down to 8 or 9 WPM. The problem then is (most) people don't want to slow down to there and secondly even to me the characters just sound plain WRONG to me when sent that slow. I'd be tickled pink if there was a dual speed control. Character speed and character spacing speed. I'd have to think about the best way to make it flow in an elecraft fashion though. Here are a couple options that I can think of: (bare in mind I don't have a k3 so I may be saying stupid things below) - If the mic setting doesn't do anything in CW mode have that adjust the char spacing when in CW mode and Mic Gain when in SSB (or other mic using modes). Maybe CMP could be used for the char spacing while in CW mode but I think its more elecraft (read elegant) to have full control of both CW speeds setup on one knob. - Have a menu item for farnsworth sending. You set it to 0 for normal operation (as the rig does now) and set it to anything between 0 and the current speed setting minus 1 to get farnsworth spacing. Well I think those are the best I can come up with with my understanding of the radio. Anyway this feature would really help us slower guys who are looking to come up to the speed of you 25+ WPM wonders! Thanks much guys for hearing me out. I'd be interested to see if anyone else shares in this want/need even if its not able to be implemented. ~Brett (KC7OTG) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder
I think Farnsworth spacing control for the keyer memories is a great idea. I have a related suggestion which maybe isn't so great, but here it is anyway: How about a keyer memory which would work with a straight key. It would faithfully record straight key CW, preserving the non-machinelike timing spacing, and of course be able to key the transmitter with this recorded fist. Is this something that would be software definable on the K3? The advantage is that straight key bug operators could program CQ messages which would be characteristic of their true sending styles (for better or worse). 73, Drew AF2Z On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:16:38 -0800, you wrote: Now for the request. Its something that I really wish I had on my K1. I know a lot of you guys are pros at CW and crank that thing to the hilt and let er rip but I'm just getting into the stuff. I find that I like to set the keyer speed at about 13 or so and send at farnsworth 5WPM spacing (or so). The problem is when calling CQ and having the keyer play your CQ for you you can't leave it set at 13 or the guy responding to you will be going way too fast. So then I end up setting it down to 8 or 9 WPM. The problem then is (most) people don't want to slow down to there and secondly even to me the characters just sound plain WRONG to me when sent that slow. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: CW decoder
Hi Brett The way I guess almost all of us operate on CW when in normal QSO mode is to pace the transmission even though the actual keyer speed may be higher than we are really sending, this is especially the case for complicated words, and doesn't need a menu item to use it. If something is likely to be difficult to receive, e.g. keyer is a KX3567Z you might add a question mark after the Z and repeat it, however using full break-in also allows the other station to interrupt by sending a string of dots to get your attention if they missed something. It's all a matter of confidence, which only comes with practice... There is no substitute for getting on the air and operating. 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 = ~Brett (KC7OTG) - Have a menu item for farnsworth sending. You set it to 0 for normal operation (as the rig does now) and set it to anything between 0 and the current speed setting minus 1 to get farnsworth spacing. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder
I'm not completely adversed to that idea either. On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 08:25 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a keyer memory which would work with a straight key. It would faithfully record straight key CW, preserving the non-machinelike timing spacing, ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder
Yes and this is how I would like to operate. But I'm unable to get the memory keyer in my K1 to call CQ in that fashion. That way I feel rude when I switch to talking that way after someone has replied to my CQ. Maybe that person answered my CQ because I was calling at a very nice slow character speed and the faster character speeds messes him up? That just makes me feel in polite and as slow as I am I try to be as polite as possible cause anyone talking to me is being very patient and helping me out. There are quite a few people who will respond to my really slow CQ's quite quickly then when I can't copy and ask them to QRS they say they have to go and leave faster than I can copy but you always hear that dit dit at the end then poof they're gone. I don't want to get lumped in with this group. Hopefully some day I'll improve and it won't be that big of a deal but for now sending farnsworth give me time to think and it would just be nice if the memory keyer would send more in a style like I'd like to during the QSO simply out of courtesy to other hams. When I'm scanning the bands if I hear a CQ even slower than I'd like to go (for character speed) I'll still slow down as far as my keyer will let me (or turn it off and go straight key) to try and match how the person is caling CQ. Its just like when you go to someones house that takes their shoes off at the door. When in Rome... ~Brett On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 13:27 +, Dave G4AON wrote: Hi Brett The way I guess almost all of us operate on CW when in normal QSO mode is to pace the transmission even though the actual keyer speed may be higher than we are really sending, this is especially the case for complicated words, and doesn't need a menu item to use it. If something is likely to be difficult to receive, e.g. keyer is a KX3567Z you might add a question mark after the Z and repeat it, however using full break-in also allows the other station to interrupt by sending a string of dots to get your attention if they missed something. It's all a matter of confidence, which only comes with practice... There is no substitute for getting on the air and operating. 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 = ~Brett (KC7OTG) - Have a menu item for farnsworth sending. You set it to 0 for normal operation (as the rig does now) and set it to anything between 0 and the current speed setting minus 1 to get farnsworth spacing. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: CW decoder
I would use keyer memories more myself if that were the case. I use a bug or straight key 99% of the time and, recognizing that no hand key has the perfection of machine keying, I avoid the memories unless I also send on paddles. A significant number of Hams today rely on their CW decoders to receive. It's a disservice to us both to call on the keyer then suddenly switch to a bug or straight key that their decoder (or their gray matter) may not be able to read well. To me, CW memories (and keyers too) are like using computer-generated artificial voices on 'phone. I bet the day comes when that's done a lot, especially in contests with automatic voice recognition and logging, but it won't be as nice to hear or as much fun to do for many operators. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- I'm not completely adversed to that idea either. On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 08:25 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a keyer memory which would work with a straight key. It would faithfully record straight key CW, preserving the non-machinelike timing spacing, ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: CW decoder
I, for one, am looking foward to seeing lots of folks who do not normally do CW start to show up during the CW contests. 99% of the code sent during the contest is nearly perfect. so I am hoping that the decoding will be pretty good...good enough to encourage those normally too timid to try CW to get on and make some Q's. While some ops MAY be too embarrassed to use a code reader (external box), with the K3, it is a hidden tool...no embarrassment factor if a friend stops by. And really, since CW is not longer a requirement, there is nothing different than LOOKING at the decoding of RTTY or PSK or whatever...just another digital mode for those who don't know the code. I've seen code readers at work and they a distraction for me. I copy the stuff faster in my head than the software can decode and display it. Analogy: One time, my family was watching the Yankees game on TV. We didn't like the TV announcers as much as the usual Yankees announcers via radio, so turned on the AM radio to listen and watch TV with the AF turned off. We couldn't do it. The TV had a much longer delay (FCC mandated?) than the radio. We HEARD what was happening well before we SAW it. Same with decoders (for me). But for those who would feel more relaxed with a decoder...GO FOR IT. And please be sure to work me in the contest! Who knows...if Elecraft can do it in reverse (copy SSB and have it come out as code...or use the paddle and have the rig xmit SSB), we might even see the likes of Ron Wright on sideband! de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
