Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment [END of Thread]

[Damon - KC5CQW]

I have a rather LARGE supply of canned worms.
They are perishable and therefore I opened one of them...
It would seem that the "fish" are bitting today!

Happy Fool's Day everyone!
73, Damon


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[David Yarnes]

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.  I contacted the maker and they gave authorization to return it via
FedEx for repair or replacement.  I paid a little extra (I forgot how 
much) for a tracking number for the item going to the maker.  They sent me 
a tracking number on a replacement unit they were sending to replace the 
one sent in.  FedEx reported that the item had been received by the local 
terminal and had been placed on a truck for delivery.  Three weeks later 
it still was not delivered.  I had to ask the maker of the unit to file a 
claim with the carrier (FedEx) in order to finally get a replacement unit 
delivered.  For that reason, FedEx is nowhere near the top three in terms 
of carriers that would be selected if I had to ship any item for whatever 
reason.


Of course, YMMV.
Jim  KD5VXH



Jim and All,

Well, I think this happens a good bit, but it certainly is the exception 
rather than the rule considering the volume of packages that are shipped 
every day--it's probably millions.


I used to live in Memphis, which is FedEx headquarters.  My neighbor two 
doors down was the head of FedEx IT (info technology).  On my 40th birthday, 
my wife threw a little neighborhood party for me, and my FedEx neighbor was 
one of the attendees.  His name is Jim Barksdale.  This was 1981.  I 
remember that a bunch of us were sipping toddies in the kitchen, and Jim had 
our undivided attention while he explained his latest project which is how 
FedEx was going to be able to track packages using satellites!  I think 
FedEx was the first to do this, but I may be wrong.  Initially the tracking 
was more rudimentary, but now they can keep tabs on things with those little 
hand-held devices they have.  I think it's pretty amazing myself.


By the way, Jim went on to bigger and better things.  Later he was president 
of FedEx, and after that he got entrepeneurial, including starting a company 
called Netscape!


Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Jim Cox]

Amen, why does everyone go off on these rants no related to Elecraft?
Jim K4JAF

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Please gents!

What is this? There must be a better place than the Elecraft list to discuss
USPS vs UPS!!!

Please, I subscribe to this group to learn about my Elecraft radio...

73 de Björn /SM0MDG




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Björn Mohr]

Please gents!

What is this? There must be a better place than the Elecraft list to discuss
USPS vs UPS!!! 

Please, I subscribe to this group to learn about my Elecraft radio...

73 de Björn /SM0MDG




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RE: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> A couple of reasons.  As you mention, there is no tracking 
> ability.  Not only can you not figure out where the package 
> is, neither can USPS.  If the package didn't arrive when you 
> thought it did, they'll say "wait a couple of weeks".

Priority Mail, if handled properly by the originator, will 
show time and date of the originating Post Office, receipt 
at the destination regional mail facility if any, receipt at 
the destination Post Office and delivery information with a 
12 hour (approx) lag.  I use it all the time. 

> The other issue is insurance cost.  USPS seems low cost until 
> you ship a $600 item and have to pay for insurance coverage.  
> Then the costs become much more similar. 

Even with insurance USPS is far less expensive than US or 
FedEx unless the shipper has "negotiated" rates.  

> As bad as FedEx and UPS are for damage claims, the USPS is 
> far worse.

I've had far less difficulty with loss claims with USPS than 
with either UPS or FedEx (both of which seem to use third 
party insurance companies).  USPS will take up to six weeks 
to pay off a claim but they have been quite reasonable to 
deal with (including international claims). 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


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>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> I've abandoned a purchase when the vendor could or would not 
> use this service. Why pay 2 or more times the USPS rate for 
> ground service across the country by one of the Big 3 
> carriers taking 5 days, this is usually 3 day service.
> 
> No, I'm not a Postal Employee just a satisfied user of the 
> service. 
> I'll concede
> that the tracking of a package is not as good. All you get is 
> pick up and delivery.
> -
> 
> A couple of reasons.  As you mention, there is no tracking 
> ability.  Not only can you not figure out where the package 
> is, neither can USPS.  If the package didn't arrive when you 
> thought it did, they'll say "wait a couple of weeks".
> 
> The other issue is insurance cost.  USPS seems low cost until 
> you ship a $600 item and have to pay for insurance coverage.  
> Then the costs become much more similar.  As bad as FedEx and 
> UPS are for damage claims, the USPS is far worse.
> 
> So, for small items, low $$ items, USPS is a great way to go. 
>  For truly important stuff, stuff that has real value to it, 
> I'm usually going with FedEx or UPS.
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment [END of Thread]

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Lets rest this thread (and related ones) for now. If not, it could 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Bill NY9H]

Damon, KC5CQW wrote

"BTW, I just found out that UPS ground shipping with insurance
to  Elecraft is about $48!!!  I think I got ripped off!
I just hope the repairs are simple! "





ANY BIG shipper... probably not elecraft ( too small) can get BIG 
discounts from UPS.Probably fedx also.


  So a published price & the price you and I Pay to ship a box might 
be $ 21.00. A big shipper might get 40-50 % off list

Then of course they don't have to PASS THAT ON TO YOU.

BUT RATHER ADD TO THE  warehouse costs of doing business.
or more accurately reduce costs...  Wars probably go on as to which 
department get to take the difference.


Some companies that add freight to the bill actually only charge 
actual costs...

not the published cost.


bill

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Phil Kane]

On 3/31/2008 9:53 AM, T. David Yarnes wrote:


I want to know exactly where it is 
all the way to the destination.  The tracking systems used by FedEx and 
UPS pretty much guarantee your package won't get lost.


U  I've shipped and waited for quite a number of packages via 
UPS Ground and the FedEx equivalent.  Being railroad oriented, I can 
usually determine which railroad it is on (yes, the Ground services ship 
by rail) by the terminal involved, but quite often the only scans are 
when the container is transferred from one rail carrier to the next. 
Example - a package headed here will be scanned at origin and the first 
intermodal rail terminal, then at a transfer point near Chicago, then 
"silence" for three days until it arrives in Portland (OR) which is the 
intermodal terminal serving this area.  I do know the transit times if 
all is in order, but if the train sits out in the middle of nowhere for 
a day or two or three for any of several reasons that are proffer to 
cover that eventuality (been there, done that, eight summer hours in the 
Mojave Desert at one time because of a derailment ahead and the crew 
having to be relieved), the tracking site will not show it until the 
destination terminal scan.


With that said, I use USPS and the ground services of UPS and FedEx as 
appropriate.


73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County)  Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Jim's mail]

Just a few comments on this topic.  A little over a year ago, I visited a 
family member in Albuquerque, NM.  They gave me an original painting, oil on 
canvas, and told me to enjoy it.  Just before (maybe two hours prior) 
leaving for home, I went to a ABQ post office (USPS) and had the painting, 
now packed in a proper sized box, shipped via Express mail.  Early the next 
morning I answered a knock on the door.  It was a letter carrier with the 
painting that I had to sign for.  Total cost including the Express mail 
charge was about $35.00.


On the "other" companies, a few years ago another family member gave us some 
entertainment equipment.  After a short time the unit stopped working as it 
should.  I contacted the maker and they gave authorization to return it via 
FedEx for repair or replacement.  I paid a little extra (I forgot how much) 
for a tracking number for the item going to the maker.  They sent me a 
tracking number on a replacement unit they were sending to replace the one 
sent in.  FedEx reported that the item had been received by the local 
terminal and had been placed on a truck for delivery.  Three weeks later it 
still was not delivered.  I had to ask the maker of the unit to file a claim 
with the carrier (FedEx) in order to finally get a replacement unit 
delivered.  For that reason, FedEx is nowhere near the top three in terms of 
carriers that would be selected if I had to ship any item for whatever 
reason.


Of course, YMMV.
Jim  KD5VXH



- Original Message - 
From: "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Lee Buller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment


You would be hard pressed to beat the USPS today.  The Priority Mail flat 
rate

service is the way to go.  Check here:

http://www.usps.com/shipping/flatrate.htm?from=priority&page=flatrate 
<http://www.usps.com/shipping/flatrate.htm?from=priority&page=flatrate>


$4.60 for an envelope and $8.95 for a box.   Whatever you can fit in it, 
and they

furnish the box or envelope too. Free sizes here:

http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductCategoryDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&categoryId=13359&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=11820&top_category=11820 
<http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductCategoryDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&categoryId=13359&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=11820&top_category=11820>


I've abandoned a purchase when the vendor could or would not use this 
service.
Why pay 2 or more times the USPS rate for ground service across the 
country by

one of the Big 3 carriers taking 5 days, this is usually 3 day service.

No, I'm not a Postal Employee just a satisfied user of the service. 
I'll concede
that the tracking of a package is not as good. All you get is pick up and 
delivery.


73,
Bob
K2TK

I have been using US Postal Service for all my shipping.
They are cheaper right now, and I sure an increase will be in the works, 
but they good service as well.  Also, they

do not up charge for shipping like other agents for UPS.
Right now the USPS is a great bargain for shipping.

Lee
K0WA






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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Bob]

Sounds like BS to me   "Free, regardless of the number of packages your
sending", a quote from their site here:

http://www.usps.com/pickup/welcome.htm

Only catch is if their delivery is say 9A your package might not leave 
until the next
morning.  I have never used this service as I have a POB so am a regular 
at the

Post Office.

73,
Bob
K2TK

Tom Hammond wrote:



Actually, MOUSER _does_ apply a 'handling fee' for items shipped via
the US Postal System, since they (MOUSER) claim they must hand-carry
(don't ask my why) the packages TO the post office.  Seems I've read
a number of places that the USPS will come and PICK up your packages
if you have enough volume... surely MOUSER would fit that description.

73,

Tom   N0SS





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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Gary Bartlett VE1RGB]

Let's all hope that the Elecraft Order Page is wrong re shipping costs 
for the CW Mod Kit:


 USPS to Canada for Priority is $20 and for Express is close to 
$30, the only options we have.


   I've asked Elecraft to hold this item and ship it with the KRX3 when 
it hits the street. 


Gary, VE1RGB

Bob wrote:
You would be hard pressed to beat the USPS today.  The Priority Mail 
flat rate
service is the way to go. 




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[T. David Yarnes]

I'm not all that familiar with UPS rates now and previously. 
But it doesn't make much sense that rates would have 
"skyrocketed" just because of the increased cost of fuel. 
If this has indeed happened, then I think UPS is using fuel 
costs as an excuse to inordinately raise prices.  Fuel costs 
are only part of the overall cost of shipping, and they 
shouldn't represent the majority of the overall cost.  Like 
most other services, salaries, equipment costs, facility 
costs, etc. should represent most of the cost.  Fuel costs 
may have doubled, or nearly so, in the past year, but that 
should only apply to a portion of the overall cost.  They 
can spread this increased cost over a lot of packages.  If 
this weren't true, you would see similar increases in food 
costs, etc.  These have gone up too, but not as dramatically 
as you make it sound for shipping of packages.  But you 
don't say how much the increase really is, so I can't make 
any kind of real comparison.


USPS priority mail has been a very cost effective way to 
ship smaller packages and envelopes for some time.  It has 
always been cheaper than UPS, and I find it to generally be 
faster!  The one thing that is lacking is the ability to 
track your package.  If I am given the option, I usually 
choose USPS priority mail.  I've never had a problem using 
that option, but I must admit the lack of tracking is 
something that would make me nervous if it were something 
truly valuable being shipped.  Priority mail can be 1 to 2 
days faster than UPS.  I'm not sure you could send something 
as big as a radio by Priority Mail, but perhaps a smaller 
radio would be allowed size wise.  But I don't think I would 
be shipping my K3 via USPS.  I want to know exactly where it 
is all the way to the destination.  The tracking systems 
used by FedEx and UPS pretty much guarantee your package 
won't get lost.


Dave W7AQK

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From: "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lee Buller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 


Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment


You would be hard pressed to beat the USPS today.  The 
Priority Mail flat rate

service is the way to go.  Check here:

http://www.usps.com/shipping/flatrate.htm?from=priority&page=flatrate 
<http://www.usps.com/shipping/flatrate.htm?from=priority&page=flatrate>


$4.60 for an envelope and $8.95 for a box.   Whatever you 
can fit in it, and they

furnish the box or envelope too. Free sizes here:

http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductCategoryDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&categoryId=13359&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=11820&top_category=11820 
<http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductCategoryDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&categoryId=13359&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=11820&top_category=11820>


I've abandoned a purchase when the vendor could or would 
not use this service.
Why pay 2 or more times the USPS rate for ground service 
across the country by
one of the Big 3 carriers taking 5 days, this is usually 3 
day service.


No, I'm not a Postal Employee just a satisfied user of the 
service. I'll concede
that the tracking of a package is not as good. All you get 
is pick up and delivery.


73,
Bob
K2TK

I have been using US Postal Service for all my shipping.
They are cheaper right now, and I sure an increase will be 
in the works, but they good service as well.  Also, they

do not up charge for shipping like other agents for UPS.
Right now the USPS is a great bargain for shipping.

Lee
K0WA






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RE: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Darwin, Keith]

 

-Original Message-
I've abandoned a purchase when the vendor could or would not use this
service.
Why pay 2 or more times the USPS rate for ground service across the
country by one of the Big 3 carriers taking 5 days, this is usually 3
day service.

No, I'm not a Postal Employee just a satisfied user of the service. 
I'll concede
that the tracking of a package is not as good. All you get is pick up
and delivery.
-

A couple of reasons.  As you mention, there is no tracking ability.  Not
only can you not figure out where the package is, neither can USPS.  If
the package didn't arrive when you thought it did, they'll say "wait a
couple of weeks".

The other issue is insurance cost.  USPS seems low cost until you ship a
$600 item and have to pay for insurance coverage.  Then the costs become
much more similar.  As bad as FedEx and UPS are for damage claims, the
USPS is far worse.

So, for small items, low $$ items, USPS is a great way to go.  For truly
important stuff, stuff that has real value to it, I'm usually going with
FedEx or UPS.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Tom Hammond]

Lee, et al:

At 09:20 03/31/2008, Lee Buller wrote:

I sure the repairs will be Damon...but UPS rates have soared since gas
and diesel have skyrocketed.  I ordered a 10 dollar part from
Mouser and they shipped it for 10 dollars.  So the 10 dollar part
cost me 20 bucks.  I called Mouser to complain but of course
they could do nothing about the charges.  I asked them to
make provision on the web site to choose USPS.  Much cheaper
for small parts.

I have been using US Postal Service for all my shipping.
They are cheaper right now, and I sure an increase will be
in the works, but they good service as well.  Also, they
do not up charge for shipping like other agents for UPS.
Right now the USPS is a great bargain for shipping.


Actually, MOUSER _does_ apply a 'handling fee' for items shipped via
the US Postal System, since they (MOUSER) claim they must hand-carry
(don't ask my why) the packages TO the post office.  Seems I've read
a number of places that the USPS will come and PICK up your packages
if you have enough volume... surely MOUSER would fit that description.

Anyway, MOUSER does charge a handling fee for USPS-shipped items, AND
if you ship them PRIORITY MAIL, there's also a 'tracking charge' for
that 'feature' (which is essentially WORTHLESS since you can't TRACK
anything in the USPS until several WEEKS after it's been shipped).

MOUSER does NOT charge a handling fee for UPS or FedEx shipments, but
there IS an additional fee charges for RESIDENTIAL deliveries, so if
you can get your packages shipped to your office, or to that of a friend,
you will same some $$ as well.

73,

Tom   N0SS

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Bob]

You would be hard pressed to beat the USPS today.  The Priority Mail 
flat rate

service is the way to go.  Check here:

http://www.usps.com/shipping/flatrate.htm?from=priority&page=flatrate 



$4.60 for an envelope and $8.95 for a box.   Whatever you can fit in it, 
and they

furnish the box or envelope too. Free sizes here:

http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductCategoryDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&categoryId=13359&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=11820&top_category=11820 



I've abandoned a purchase when the vendor could or would not use this 
service.
Why pay 2 or more times the USPS rate for ground service across the 
country by

one of the Big 3 carriers taking 5 days, this is usually 3 day service.

No, I'm not a Postal Employee just a satisfied user of the service. 
I'll concede
that the tracking of a package is not as good. All you get is pick up 
and delivery.


73,
Bob
K2TK  


I have been using US Postal Service for all my shipping.
They are cheaper right now, and I sure an increase will be 
in the works, but they good service as well.  Also, they

do not up charge for shipping like other agents for UPS.
Right now the USPS is a great bargain for shipping.

Lee
K0WA







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RE: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> I have been using US Postal Service for all my shipping.
> They are cheaper right now, and I sure an increase will be 
> in the works, but they good service as well.  Also, they
> do not up charge for shipping like other agents for UPS.
> Right now the USPS is a great bargain for shipping.

Yes, USPS rates will be increasing on May 12.  However, their 
rates are still much lower than either UPS or FedEX ground for 
similar service - both Express Mail and Priority Mail are 
much less expensive than "Next Day" and "Two day" service 
with signature confirmation to residential addresses than the 
competition.  

I use 100% USPS for my shipping. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Buller
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:20 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment
> 
> 
> 
> Damon, KC5CQW wrote
> 
> "BTW, I just found out that UPS ground shipping with insurance 
> to  Elecraft is about $48!!!  I think I got ripped off! 
> I just hope the repairs are simple! "
> 
> I sure the repairs will be Damon...but UPS rates have soared 
> since gas and diesel have skyrocketed.  I ordered a 10 dollar 
> part from Mouser and they shipped it for 10 dollars.  So the 
> 10 dollar part cost me 20 bucks.  I called Mouser to complain 
> but of course they could do nothing about the charges.  I 
> asked them to make provision on the web site to choose USPS.  
> Much cheaper 
> for small parts. 
> 
> I have been using US Postal Service for all my shipping.
> They are cheaper right now, and I sure an increase will be 
> in the works, but they good service as well.  Also, they
> do not up charge for shipping like other agents for UPS.
> Right now the USPS is a great bargain for shipping.
> 
> Lee
> K0WA
> 
> 
>  
> 
> In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short 
> supply.  If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common 
> Sense and use it.  If you can't find any Common Sense, ask 
> for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is Common 
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[Elecraft] OT: UPS Rates - Editorial Comment

[Lee Buller]

Damon, KC5CQW wrote

"BTW, I just found out that UPS ground shipping with insurance 
to  Elecraft is about $48!!!  I think I got ripped off! 
I just hope the repairs are simple! "

I sure the repairs will be Damon...but UPS rates have soared since gas
and diesel have skyrocketed.  I ordered a 10 dollar part from
Mouser and they shipped it for 10 dollars.  So the 10 dollar part
cost me 20 bucks.  I called Mouser to complain but of course
they could do nothing about the charges.  I asked them to
make provision on the web site to choose USPS.  Much cheaper 
for small parts. 

I have been using US Postal Service for all my shipping.
They are cheaper right now, and I sure an increase will be 
in the works, but they good service as well.  Also, they
do not up charge for shipping like other agents for UPS.
Right now the USPS is a great bargain for shipping.

Lee
K0WA


 

In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you don't 
have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find 
any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
Common Sense divine?
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