Re: [Elecraft] Q: Recording outgoing messages on the K3 DVR
The K3 very conveniently includes switch actions in its CAT vocabulary, both TAP and HOLD [SWTnn and SWHnn]. I used N1MM+ to send them to activate the K3 voice recorder memories back when I still knew how to operate SSB. I recorded my messages using the same radio and microphone that I used when speaking live, all the equalizations were the same, and a whole bunch of digital-ish boxes [computer, sound cards, mp3 files] and their problems disappeared. Folks advised that I sounded exactly the same live and from the messages. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County Rich wrote on 1/14/2024 1:06 PM: Do you mean upload them to the radio once, or play them from the computer for each QSO? I think if you want to record them to the PC then you would need to use N1MM or similar logger to play them during the contest. You can record them to the radio then play them back via a keyboard command instead of pressing M1, M2 and so on. I know N1MM and Writelog both support the keyboard option. Hope this helps Rich On 1/14/2024 15:53 PM, Eric Rosenberg wrote: I'd like to use the My K3's DVR instead of N1MM+ for the upcoming NAQP SSB contest. I have a question: Do I have to record my messages live directly into the radio, or can I record them on my computer and play them back into the radio via its mic or line input? The only references I've seen describes live recording of messages directly into the radio. Thanks & 73, Eric W3DQ Washington, DC -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: Recording outgoing messages on the K3 DVR
Do you mean upload them to the radio once, or play them from the computer for each QSO? I think if you want to record them to the PC then you would need to use N1MM or similar logger to play them during the contest. You can record them to the radio then play them back via a keyboard command instead of pressing M1, M2 and so on. I know N1MM and Writelog both support the keyboard option. Hope this helps Rich On 1/14/2024 15:53 PM, Eric Rosenberg wrote: I'd like to use the My K3's DVR instead of N1MM+ for the upcoming NAQP SSB contest. I have a question: Do I have to record my messages live directly into the radio, or can I record them on my computer and play them back into the radio via its mic or line input? The only references I've seen describes live recording of messages directly into the radio. Thanks & 73, Eric W3DQ Washington, DC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rwnewbo...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Q: Recording outgoing messages on the K3 DVR
I'd like to use the My K3's DVR instead of N1MM+ for the upcoming NAQP SSB contest. I have a question: Do I have to record my messages live directly into the radio, or can I record them on my computer and play them back into the radio via its mic or line input? The only references I've seen describes live recording of messages directly into the radio. Thanks & 73, Eric W3DQ Washington, DC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
ZPA: Your speech is distorted QNR: I am approaching my point of no return 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 6/16/2020 12:01 PM, Todd KH2TJ wrote: Forget off hand what the Z code was for "Your totally distorted"! but after a weeks worth of watchstanding, I would treat the younger Marines on my watch to total distortion down at the E club on the start of our off time and we'd all get to the "point of no return" (forgot that Z code too!)... 73, Todd KH2TJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
It was an unwritten rule, but the use of ZBM2 on any circuit was a big no-no, or at least during my time with Naval Security Group. Anytime we had trubs with an outlying station, we would gather up the translog and any other copy of the Comms and up the chain of command it would go...I think I only saw a ZBM2 fly by once while I was out on Guam. It went across one of IO circuits during GW I. Heard thru the grapevine weeks later that Op was relieved...We were required to maintain a copy of the ACP-131 on the watch floor. It made for some interesting reading on slow mid-watches. I recall we came up with all sorts of Q/Z codes that we Zapped back and forth. I think we used INT QBF Mate K quite often in place of ZBM2 Always a good laugh to get a Chief of the Watch to ask what the hell was QBF... There were all kinds of Z codes in use too that we would throw out just to mess with the ops on the other end...Great times during a slow midwatch! Forget off hand what the Z code was for "Your totally distorted"! but after a weeks worth of watchstanding, I would treat the younger Marines on my watch to total distortion down at the E club on the start of our off time and we'd all get to the "point of no return" (forgot that Z code too!)... 73, Todd KH2TJ Good point Andy! QLF seems to refer to sending ability. ZBM2 refers to overall operating ability ... I think ... ACP's 126 and 131 leave a lot to the reader's imagination. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
Years ago I came across a web site that had British intelligence agents use of CW and Q codes for their spying communications. It was very interesting to read all the Q codes meanings. On 6/12/2020 11:33 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: There were a number of Q-signal questions on my 2T exam in 1956. The Z's were used primarily by the military, I don't recall any in commercial ops. Very common on military TTY channels in the 60's. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 6/12/2020 11:12 AM, Andy Durbin wrote: __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
There were a number of Q-signal questions on my 2T exam in 1956. The Z's were used primarily by the military, I don't recall any in commercial ops. Very common on military TTY channels in the 60's. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 6/12/2020 11:12 AM, Andy Durbin wrote: ACP 131(F) - https://web.archive.org/web/20130215140321/http://jcs.dtic.mil/j6/cceb/acps/acp131/ACP131F09.pdf Offered to NATO for adoption: https://archives.nato.int/uploads/r/null/1/2/127387/SGM-0921-55_ENG_PDP.pdf Was anyone actually expected to memorize all of these codes? 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
QLF [not officially assigned] has been around a long time with several similar meanings. A common [and fairly ancient] one is "Are you sending with your left foot?" and "Please attempt to send with your left foot." I believe QSD, "Is my keying defective?" and "Your keying is defective", refers to the technical characteristics of keying such as contact bounce, missing dits, broken dahs, etc. Purely out of nostalgia, I dabble in traffic handling via the Nor Cal Net. I'm one of two N. NV stations so I mostly receive and deliver. One of the changes from the heyday of NTS is that many operators are hovering within microns over their paddle ready to pounce, resulting in a lot of doubles and even triples and general confusion. I guess they just can't wait to send something. They are often the same folks on bugs set way faster than they can actually send reliably. That, coupled with the fact that everyone is exactly zero beat and our radios all sound alike these days can really screw up a net. Someone posted the procedure for moving off the net QRG to receive or send, pointing out that it's the receiving station who is supposed to find the clear frequency. Unfortunately, that convention seems to have died, these same operators, needing to be the first to send, nearly always are calling me well before I find a clear spot. I believe they would be candidates for ZBM2. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 6/12/2020 10:59 AM, Kevin McQuiggin wrote: QLF was a joke Q code meaning “Quality of your (CW) sounds like you are sending it with your left foot”, hence “QLF”. From QST in the 1930s, I recall. On Jun 12, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: Good point Andy! QLF seems to refer to sending ability. ZBM2 refers to overall operating ability ... I think ... ACP's 126 and 131 leave a lot to the reader's imagination. Jack Phillips, MGY, might have used it on "Iceberg Night" had the Z's existed then when he was berating the operators on the Californian and a Navy vessel for poor operating procedure. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 6/11/2020 7:45 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: "ZBM2: "Place a competent operator on watch on this frequency." Is QLF the more sensitive equivalent?? 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
ACP 131(F) - https://web.archive.org/web/20130215140321/http://jcs.dtic.mil/j6/cceb/acps/acp131/ACP131F09.pdf Offered to NATO for adoption: https://archives.nato.int/uploads/r/null/1/2/127387/SGM-0921-55_ENG_PDP.pdf Was anyone actually expected to memorize all of these codes? 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
Only ever got one QLF. In the late 1970's, two minutes to go at the end of the PA QSO party and found the last mult to get a clean sweep. When I went to send the key fell apart. Yanked off the wires and touched them together to send call and info in CW. But I got him in the log and a clean sweep. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 1:42 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Q codes Good point Andy! QLF seems to refer to sending ability. ZBM2 refers to overall operating ability ... I think ... ACP's 126 and 131 leave a lot to the reader's imagination. Jack Phillips, MGY, might have used it on "Iceberg Night" had the Z's existed then when he was berating the operators on the Californian and a Navy vessel for poor operating procedure. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 6/11/2020 7:45 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: > "ZBM2: "Place a competent operator on watch on this frequency." > > Is QLF the more sensitive equivalent?? > > 73, > Andy, k3wyc > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
Good point Andy! QLF seems to refer to sending ability. ZBM2 refers to overall operating ability ... I think ... ACP's 126 and 131 leave a lot to the reader's imagination. Jack Phillips, MGY, might have used it on "Iceberg Night" had the Z's existed then when he was berating the operators on the Californian and a Navy vessel for poor operating procedure. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 6/11/2020 7:45 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: "ZBM2: "Place a competent operator on watch on this frequency." Is QLF the more sensitive equivalent?? 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
It used to be fun as net control on 80 back in the 50s when my call sign was K5QNF. Ed / W2RF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Andy Durbin Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 5:52 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Q codes "Who knew there were so many Q-codes :)" My favorite from my time as a teenager in the cadet force signals wing was QUQ. I had remembered it as "Shall I point my searchlight at a cloud, occulting if necessary, in order to pinpoint my position". Either my memory is playing tricks on me or the meaning changed a bit over the years. The definition I found now is "Shall I train my searchlight nearly vertical on a cloud, occulting if possible and, if your aircraft is seen, deflect the beam up wind and on the water (or land) to facilitate your landing?" Either way, not a code that comes up in most QSO. 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to e...@qrv.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
"ZBM2: "Place a competent operator on watch on this frequency." Is QLF the more sensitive equivalent?? 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
I wrote a little ham utility that will look up prefixes, and Q/Z signals, do QRZ searches, and tell me, given a call, if it's a member of my several club associations. Building the Q/Z signal table was enlightening ... I particularly like ZAA: "You are not observing proper circuit discipline"; ZAB: "Your speed key is improperly adjusted"; and ZAC: "Cease using speed key", especially if used by NCS in sequence. And, there's always ZBM1: "Place a qualified speed key operator on watch on this frequency", and when this all fails, ZBM2: "Place a competent operator on watch on this frequency." 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 6/11/2020 2:52 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: "Who knew there were so many Q-codes :)" My favorite from my time as a teenager in the cadet force signals wing was QUQ. I had remembered it as "Shall I point my searchlight at a cloud, occulting if necessary, in order to pinpoint my position". Either my memory is playing tricks on me or the meaning changed a bit over the years. The definition I found now is "Shall I train my searchlight nearly vertical on a cloud, occulting if possible and, if your aircraft is seen, deflect the beam up wind and on the water (or land) to facilitate your landing?" Either way, not a code that comes up in most QSO. 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q codes
On 6/11/2020 2:52 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: > "Who knew there were so many Q-codes :)" [QUQ] > Either way, not a code that comes up in most QSO. For those of us who were subjected to passing Element 5 to get the FCC Radiotelegraph Operator License, we had to recognize a whole slew of Q-Signals that pertained to commercial message traffic procedure, which also would not come up in our ham QSOs. I forgot most of them by now. :) 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Q codes
"Who knew there were so many Q-codes :)" My favorite from my time as a teenager in the cadet force signals wing was QUQ. I had remembered it as "Shall I point my searchlight at a cloud, occulting if necessary, in order to pinpoint my position". Either my memory is playing tricks on me or the meaning changed a bit over the years. The definition I found now is "Shall I train my searchlight nearly vertical on a cloud, occulting if possible and, if your aircraft is seen, deflect the beam up wind and on the water (or land) to facilitate your landing?" Either way, not a code that comes up in most QSO. 73, Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q and A about K3S
Hi Ted, We'll be updating the FAQ periodically. 73, Wayne N6KR Dauer, Edward eda...@law.du.edu wrote: A few days ago I posted a query here, noting how much info is coming out about the K3S as we go through participants¹ questions and others¹ answers, and asking if there couldn¹t be some way to gather them all up after a while, for reference in one neat place. The existing on-line FAQs are well-done and helpful; but a good deal more info - like the questions and your answers below - is being added to it as we go. Any chance of Elecraft drafting a revised FAQ sometime including the items asked about on the reflector? Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Q
In some ways, a better time...but only those of us who were there can really appreciate it because it's more about context rather than electronics. 73, Stan WB2LQF On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: I loved my 2B+2BQ, really great receiver. Different time tho, __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
When I hear something like UA9CDC de UA9AFK I always wonder if it is UA9AFK or UA9AF K I always thought that BK is used when one wants to omit sending both call signs in the end of message. I also thought that station sending BK wants to tell me that he is using break in and therefore can be interrupted whenever is needed. 73, Igor UA9CDC - Original Message - From: Gary Gregory garyvk...@gmail.com To: Mike Morrow k...@arrl.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia sounds good to me...AR On 19 July 2011 13:04, Mike Morrow k...@earthlink.net wrote: Bert wrote: I've yet to hear --... ...-- ... sent - hihi Don't you mean --... ...-- .. ... ? :-) My pet peeve is use of that damned BK. KN doesn't make much sense either...that's actually an open parenthesis. Both are just ham-only prosigns that would never have been heard on professional military or commercial Morse radiotelegraph circuits. What's wrong with the military standard: If a response is expected from the other station, send K (equivalent to phone OVER). If a response is not expected, send AR (equivalent to phone OUT). That's it in total! There's zero value to that repulsive BK that has spread like an ugly malignant Morse teratoma among many hams in the past decade or so. Mike / KK5F __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia/Special Event Station W2S
Anyone who needs help remembering the Sixties may wish to mark his or her calendar for August 15, 16, and 17. I'll be operating as W2S in recognition of the 42nd Anniversary of the 1969 Woodstock Festival. Certificate will be offered for a 9x12 SASE. 7.034 and 14.034. Single Op (just me). CW only of course. Rig will be my barefoot K2 because, fittingly, it uses a pair of 2SC1969s in the PA. Additional details on page 89 of August QST or on the bio page of my QRZ.com entry. Seventythreeses, 73, Stan WB2LQF KX1 #2411K1#2994K2# 6980K3#5244 K9 #1 (Cocoa the Chihuahua) Everything is QRP, even the dog. On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote: You /remember/ them? On 7/18/2011 12:21 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: I remember the '60s as a time of anything goes so it is fair to use your apostrophes in any way your creative mind can dream up. -- Vic, K2VCO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
bk doesn't bother me so much if it's sent as BK and not _BK_ (i.e. not run together). For clarity's sake, if I just end with K I leave an extra amount of space so that meaning is clear, per Igor's note below. I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Mostly because, yes, it's a parentheses, but also because all the ARRL books I ever read when I was studying back in the '80's, and these books were older than that by some amount, said that _KN_ means something like, I only want a response from the other station, no breaking stations please, which doesn't seem terribly friendly. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:05 AM, Igor Sokolov wrote: When I hear something like UA9CDC de UA9AFK I always wonder if it is UA9AFK or UA9AF K I always thought that BK is used when one wants to omit sending both call signs in the end of message. I also thought that station sending BK wants to tell me that he is using break in and therefore can be interrupted whenever is needed. 73, Igor UA9CDC - Original Message - From: Gary Gregory garyvk...@gmail.com To: Mike Morrow k...@arrl.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia sounds good to me...AR On 19 July 2011 13:04, Mike Morrow k...@earthlink.net wrote: Bert wrote: I've yet to hear --... ...-- ... sent - hihi Don't you mean --... ...-- .. ... ? :-) My pet peeve is use of that damned BK. KN doesn't make much sense either...that's actually an open parenthesis. Both are just ham-only prosigns that would never have been heard on professional military or commercial Morse radiotelegraph circuits. What's wrong with the military standard: If a response is expected from the other station, send K (equivalent to phone OVER). If a response is not expected, send AR (equivalent to phone OUT). That's it in total! There's zero value to that repulsive BK that has spread like an ugly malignant Morse teratoma among many hams in the past decade or so. Mike / KK5F __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
BK sent as a procedural was originally brought about by the conversion of stations to automatic control of changeover from xmit to rx... with seperate rx/tx and no controling assistance, it took some time to cut the high voltage from the tx, change the antenna feed to the rx, and unmute the rx. Then when the other fellow was done, and sent his k, the reverse had to be done... the prosign BK was used to let the other station know that you had fast changeover and he could start talking right away... rather than wait until he figured the changeover had been made. That one prosign speeded up converstaions a whole lot. Now.. no one needs use it.. as everyone but the brave, have xceivers that changeover very fast. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
I normally don't respond to these threads on the Elecraft reflector because all they do is create clutter, but the over use of KN brings to mind a very funny situation I noted on 30 meters the other day. Someone (who shall remain nameless to avoid hard feelings/embarrassment on his part) was calling CQ and ending with KN. Needless to say, I didn't bother to call him as he evidently only wanted to hear himself send and didn't really want to talk to anyone. Jim - W0EB I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO. So if they creep up on your signal during the tail end (callsign exchange), the context is clear. I've always taken KN to mean a context marking rather than some unfriendly indicator of exclusion. Haven't met any hams that are like that :) 73, matt W6NIA On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:31:18 -0400, you wrote: bk doesn't bother me so much if it's sent as BK and not _BK_ (i.e. not run together). For clarity's sake, if I just end with K I leave an extra amount of space so that meaning is clear, per Igor's note below. I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Mostly because, yes, it's a parentheses, but also because all the ARRL books I ever read when I was studying back in the '80's, and these books were older than that by some amount, said that _KN_ means something like, I only want a response from the other station, no breaking stations please, which doesn't seem terribly friendly. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Exclusion is not always unfriendly. I have often heard net members converse before or after a net about net matters, using KN. 73 Kate K6HTN On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Matt Zilmer mzil...@verizon.net wrote: KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO. So if they creep up on your signal during the tail end (callsign exchange), the context is clear. I've always taken KN to mean a context marking rather than some unfriendly indicator of exclusion. Haven't met any hams that are like that :) 73, matt W6NIA On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:31:18 -0400, you wrote: bk doesn't bother me so much if it's sent as BK and not _BK_ (i.e. not run together). For clarity's sake, if I just end with K I leave an extra amount of space so that meaning is clear, per Igor's note below. I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Mostly because, yes, it's a parentheses, but also because all the ARRL books I ever read when I was studying back in the '80's, and these books were older than that by some amount, said that _KN_ means something like, I only want a response from the other station, no breaking stations please, which doesn't seem terribly friendly. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
True. Sometimes, you would want uninterrupted exchanges, for clarity, but also leave the net open for breaks. In practice, we break in if needed anyway. Anyone listening to a directed net really hears a KN via the Over. On Navy-Marine Corps MARS, there is no simple way to break in except for calling out Flash or Immediate traffic. Pretty common with MARS, unless the net is free. Even then, contact is between two stations in general. 73, matt W6NIA On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:39:54 -0700, you wrote: Exclusion is not always unfriendly. I have often heard net members converse before or after a net about net matters, using KN. 73 Kate K6HTN On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Matt Zilmer mzil...@verizon.net wrote: KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO. So if they creep up on your signal during the tail end (callsign exchange), the context is clear. I've always taken KN to mean a context marking rather than some unfriendly indicator of exclusion. Haven't met any hams that are like that :) 73, matt W6NIA On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:31:18 -0400, you wrote: bk doesn't bother me so much if it's sent as BK and not _BK_ (i.e. not run together). For clarity's sake, if I just end with K I leave an extra amount of space so that meaning is clear, per Igor's note below. I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Mostly because, yes, it's a parentheses, but also because all the ARRL books I ever read when I was studying back in the '80's, and these books were older than that by some amount, said that _KN_ means something like, I only want a response from the other station, no breaking stations please, which doesn't seem terribly friendly. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia-link to codes
Many of you may fine the link attached interesting as it is the origin of our number codes. Journalists of a certain age may also see the -30- designation also used for some time as the end of a story. It has a long history. http://www.civilwarsignals.org/pages/tele/wurules1866/92code.html 73, Bill AK5X On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:46 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: The way I look at it, 73 doesn't translate specifically to any particular words (in English, or any other language). It's a language-independent expression of good will to the other operator, akin to verbal expressions in English like all the best, cheers, etc. Given that, I don't think it's necessarily any less-valid to pluralise it when morphing it into a verbal or textual expression in English. Now is it seven-three[s], or seventy-three[s] when spoken aloud??? ;) 73[[']s], ~iain On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Bert Craig wa...@arrl.net wrote: !-- HTC Mail Separation -- !-- HTC Mail Separation --Not so fast there, Phil. 73's was in use before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.) I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us 73 as a result of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. Best regards, no need to pluralize that which is already plural. As for the 3's 8's or first personal, remember, it's a different service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi. There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a 73's or QRT and standing by to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW traffic there too, go figure. As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert (my handle) WA2SI ...and all the pieces matter. -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Exactly! Which is why I continue to use KN. I only use K when calling CQ. On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:29:06 -0700 Matt Zilmer mzil...@verizon.net wrote: KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO. So if they creep up on your signal during the tail end (callsign exchange), the context is clear. I've always taken KN to mean a context marking rather than some unfriendly indicator of exclusion. Haven't met any hams that are like that :) 73, matt W6NIA On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:31:18 -0400, you wrote: bk doesn't bother me so much if it's sent as BK and not _BK_ (i.e. not run together). For clarity's sake, if I just end with K I leave an extra amount of space so that meaning is clear, per Igor's note below. I don't ever use _KN_ myself anymore. Mostly because, yes, it's a parentheses, but also because all the ARRL books I ever read when I was studying back in the '80's, and these books were older than that by some amount, said that _KN_ means something like, I only want a response from the other station, no breaking stations please, which doesn't seem terribly friendly. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: On 7/16/2011 6:46 PM, Ken - K0PP wrote: In that service, INT [di di dah dit dah sent as one character] was the interrogatory, and preceded the question you were about to ask. [INT QRL] The Morse question mark is di di dah dah di dit] which duplicates the prosign IMI meaning either please repeat last or I will repeat last. Those with commercial radiotelegraph experience may remember this. INT never made it into ham practice The interogatory was also standard practice in the US Navy. And in MARS, of course (at least back then). I'm surprised that the ham community did not embrace it. Personally, I always preferred it because it 'sets off' the Q-signal that is to follow and tends to heighten one's awareness. Regarding use of Q signals outside of CW, we used to have a Chief Radioman who used an interesting expression. Whenever someone messed up a job, the Chief used an early variation of the commonly heard phrase, What part of that didn't you understand? The Chief simply got real close to your face and yelled, INT QRK what the ___?! Stan WB2LQF RM2 USS BOXER 1966-1968 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia
I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included, repeat it twice at the end of a CW QSO. Gary, N7HTS On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600 Ken - K0PP kengk...@gmail.com wrote: Q signals were established to facilitate communication between stations that don't share a common language. In usual usage a Q signal without punctuation is considered a statement. If it's followed by a ?, it's meant as a question. Needless to say, a purist would never use a Q signal in voice communications, but we all do. The home QTH here is ... (;-) Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to Good lucks. 73! Ken - K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia
I have always wondered why it is written in the possessive form. Why not write it 73s instead if you want to make it a plural and not possessive? Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:57:43 -0700, Gary D Krause n7...@bresnan.net wrote: I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included, repeat it twice at the end of a CW QSO. Gary, N7HTS On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600 Ken - K0PP kengk...@gmail.com wrote: Q signals were established to facilitate communication between stations that don't share a common language. In usual usage a Q signal without punctuation is considered a statement. If it's followed by a ?, it's meant as a question. Needless to say, a purist would never use a Q signal in voice communications, but we all do. The home QTH here is ... (;-) Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to Good lucks. 73! Ken - K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia
Hi Kevin: Because an 's is the standard way to create a plural of a digit or digits in English? (at least historically) :-) It doesn't indicate a possessive in this usage. See, for example, http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/apostrophe.htm: An apostrophe is also used to form some *plurals*, especially the plural of letters and digits. Raoul got four _A's_ last term and his sister got four 6's in the ice-skating competition. Of course, the Chicago Manual of Style disagrees... :-) 73, Mark, KD4D On 7/18/2011 12:19 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: I have always wondered why it is written in the possessive form. Why not write it 73s instead if you want to make it a plural and not possessive? Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:57:43 -0700, Gary D Krausen7...@bresnan.net wrote: I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included, repeat it twice at the end of a CW QSO. Gary, N7HTS On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600 Ken - K0PPkengk...@gmail.com wrote: Q signals were established to facilitate communication between stations that don't share a common language. In usual usage a Q signal without punctuation is considered a statement. If it's followed by a ?, it's meant as a question. Needless to say, a purist would never use a Q signal in voice communications, but we all do. The home QTH here is ... (;-) Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to Good lucks. 73! Ken - K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia
However, we refer to the '60s without a second apostrophe. Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:29:26 -0700, Mark mebly5...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kevin: Because an 's is the standard way to create a plural of a digit or digits in English? (at least historically) :-) It doesn't indicate a possessive in this usage. See, for example, http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/apostrophe.htm: An apostrophe is also used to form some *plurals*, especially the plural of letters and digits. Raoul got four _A's_ last term and his sister got four 6's in the ice-skating competition. Of course, the Chicago Manual of Style disagrees... :-) 73, Mark, KD4D On 7/18/2011 12:19 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: I have always wondered why it is written in the possessive form. Why not write it 73s instead if you want to make it a plural and not possessive? Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:57:43 -0700, Gary D Krausen7...@bresnan.net wrote: I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included, repeat it twice at the end of a CW QSO. Gary, N7HTS On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600 Ken - K0PPkengk...@gmail.com wrote: Q signals were established to facilitate communication between stations that don't share a common language. In usual usage a Q signal without punctuation is considered a statement. If it's followed by a ?, it's meant as a question. Needless to say, a purist would never use a Q signal in voice communications, but we all do. The home QTH here is ... (;-) Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to Good lucks. 73! Ken - K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia
Hi Kevin: Depends on your style guide... :-) Apparently, both usages are common. Wikipedia says that years are a special case. :-) I don't think '60's is universally considered incorrect - though the Chicago Manual of Style would. 73, Mark On 7/18/2011 12:32 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: However, we refer to the '60s without a second apostrophe. Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:29:26 -0700, Markmebly5...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kevin: Because an 's is the standard way to create a plural of a digit or digits in English? (at least historically) :-) It doesn't indicate a possessive in this usage. See, for example, http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/apostrophe.htm: An apostrophe is also used to form some *plurals*, especially the plural of letters and digits. Raoul got four _A's_ last term and his sister got four 6's in the ice-skating competition. Of course, the Chicago Manual of Style disagrees... :-) 73, Mark, KD4D On 7/18/2011 12:19 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: I have always wondered why it is written in the possessive form. Why not write it 73s instead if you want to make it a plural and not possessive? Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:57:43 -0700, Gary D Krausen7...@bresnan.net wrote: I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included, repeat it twice at the end of a CW QSO. Gary, N7HTS On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600 Ken - K0PPkengk...@gmail.com wrote: Q signals were established to facilitate communication between stations that don't share a common language. In usual usage a Q signal without punctuation is considered a statement. If it's followed by a ?, it's meant as a question. Needless to say, a purist would never use a Q signal in voice communications, but we all do. The home QTH here is ... (;-) Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to Good lucks. 73! Ken - K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia [OT!!!]
My editor would have blue penciled that is a NY second :) But this is so far off topic as to be squashed rapidly. Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:34:42 -0700, Mark mebly5...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kevin: Depends on your style guide... :-) Apparently, both usages are common. Wikipedia says that years are a special case. :-) I don't think '60's is universally considered incorrect - though the Chicago Manual of Style would. 73, Mark __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia
I remember the '60s as a time of anything goes so it is fair to use your apostrophes in any way your creative mind can dream up. On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Rock wrote: However, we refer to the '60s without a second apostrophe. Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:29:26 -0700, Mark mebly5...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kevin: Because an 's is the standard way to create a plural of a digit or digits in English? (at least historically) :-) It doesn't indicate a possessive in this usage. See, for example, http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/apostrophe.htm: An apostrophe is also used to form some *plurals*, especially the plural of letters and digits. Raoul got four _A's_ last term and his sister got four 6's in the ice-skating competition. Of course, the Chicago Manual of Style disagrees... :-) 73, Mark, KD4D On 7/18/2011 12:19 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: I have always wondered why it is written in the possessive form. Why not write it 73s instead if you want to make it a plural and not possessive? Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:57:43 -0700, Gary D Krausen7...@bresnan.net wrote: I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included, repeat it twice at the end of a CW QSO. Gary, N7HTS On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600 Ken - K0PPkengk...@gmail.com wrote: Q signals were established to facilitate communication between stations that don't share a common language. In usual usage a Q signal without punctuation is considered a statement. If it's followed by a ?, it's meant as a question. Needless to say, a purist would never use a Q signal in voice communications, but we all do. The home QTH here is ... (;-) Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to Good lucks. 73! Ken - K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I'm of the opinion that it started in the early CB days when all the CBer's were putting Seventy Thirds on each other when signing off or going to their next harassment frequency. ;o) 73's or 73s, whichever it is, is still incorrect. Would you say best regardses to someone? 73 is the number used in Amateur Radio messages to represent the phrase, best regards, in order to shorten message lengths. If you said 73s to a message handler he might ask you how many 73s you wanted him to put in a row in the message. 73, Tom Amateur Radio Operator N5GE ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:57:43 -0600, Gary D Krause n7...@bresnan.net wrote: I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included, repeat it twice at the end of a CW QSO. Gary, N7HTS On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600 Ken - K0PP kengk...@gmail.com wrote: Q signals were established to facilitate communication between stations that don't share a common language. In usual usage a Q signal without punctuation is considered a statement. If it's followed by a ?, it's meant as a question. Needless to say, a purist would never use a Q signal in voice communications, but we all do. The home QTH here is ... (;-) Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to Good lucks. 73! Ken - K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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73's appears to go back farther than that: http://www.mikezulu.com/73s.htm See esp. the QSL cards at the bottom, signed by the old man himself. 73s, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA On 07/18/11 13:01, n...@n5ge.com wrote: I'm of the opinion that it started in the early CB days when all the CBer's were putting Seventy Thirds on each other when signing off or going to their next harassment frequency. ;o) 73's or 73s, whichever it is, is still incorrect. Would you say best regardses to someone? 73 is the number used in Amateur Radio messages to represent the phrase, best regards, in order to shorten message lengths. If you said 73s to a message handler he might ask you how many 73s you wanted him to put in a row in the message. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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It seems that 73's predates any of us by quite a bit, but complaining about it just dates back to the start of Internet reflectors. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Wayne Conrad wcon...@yagni.com wrote: From: Wayne Conrad wcon...@yagni.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 1:19 PM 73's appears to go back farther than that: http://www.mikezulu.com/73s.htm See esp. the QSL cards at the bottom, signed by the old man himself. 73s, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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OK, Before Wayne slams the door on this one... The Old Man was a newbie once, too. (and he may very well not have printed or designed the cards he used). They may well have been a generic design. Another historical perspective that goes back 60 years before those old QSL cards can be found here: http://www.ac6v.com/73.htm#73 History tends to change with time. Those who chronicle it often put their own perspective on things. This is natural, as we see through the lens of our own experiences. The fact is, we all tend to go with what we were taught. The same goes for those who came before us. The same will go for those who learn from us. 73, Bruce N1RX 73's appears to go back farther than that: http://www.mikezulu.com/73s.htm See esp. the QSL cards at the bottom, signed by the old man himself. 73s, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Bruce, note that T.O.M. hand wrote 73's on his cards. Newbie? T.O.M. was T.O.M. when still in diapers! The radiomen of his time had an almost clean slate on which to scribe their rules. You are quite right. We go with what we are taught, and language, perhaps more than anything else, evolves with usage. Some of us just have to get over it when we see a word used incorrectly according to what we learned. I'm sure some folks are tired of this thread, and it's passed the nominal limit Eric puts on them, but I want to say thanks to all for a very entertaining string of comments. Dare I? Okay... Best 73's Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this... 73 means best regards and is sufficient without an s. If you say 73s, it is like saying, best regards's. However, I admit that it has become rather common practice in recent times. 73, Greg-N4CC Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On 7/18/2011 2:24 PM, Greg - N4CC wrote: However, I admit that it has become rather common practice in recent times. Common practice doesn't make it right. It started in the CB world, where it morphed into Threes and Eights for 73 and 88. Sometimes I even hear my first personal meaning my first name. As ambassadors of Ham Radio we must do better. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On 7/18/2011 9:29 AM, Mark wrote: An apostrophe is also used to form some *plurals*, especially the plural of letters and digits. Raoul got four _A's_ last term and his sister got four 6's in the ice-skating competition. Of course, the Chicago Manual of Style disagrees... :-) As does every treatise on writing that I have been exposed to, and that was many. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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OMGmy Handlenow that get(s) up my nose.Grin 73 Gary On 19 July 2011 08:49, Phil Kane k2...@kanafi.org wrote: On 7/18/2011 2:24 PM, Greg - N4CC wrote: However, I admit that it has become rather common practice in recent times. Common practice doesn't make it right. It started in the CB world, where it morphed into Threes and Eights for 73 and 88. Sometimes I even hear my first personal meaning my first name. As ambassadors of Ham Radio we must do better. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Pray tell, why must we do better?? And what on earth is better about it??What was right for formal message handling doesn't mean diddly for social, casual conversation. Getting all rigid and anal about a friendly signoff just makes our hobby look silly, old, and intolerant. Dave AB7E On 7/18/2011 3:49 PM, Phil Kane wrote: Common practice doesn't make it right. It started in the CB world, where it morphed into Threes and Eights for 73 and 88. Sometimes I even hear my first personal meaning my first name. As ambassadors of Ham Radio we must do better. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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!-- HTC Mail Separation -- !-- HTC Mail Separation --Not so fast there, Phil. 73's was in use before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.) I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us 73 as a result of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. Best regards, no need to pluralize that which is already plural. As for the 3's 8's or first personal, remember, it's a different service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi. There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a 73's or QRT and standing by to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW traffic there too, go figure. As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert (my handle) WA2SI ...and all the pieces matter. -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone!-- HTC Mail Separation --- Reply message - From: Phil Kane k2...@kanafi.org To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 18:49 !-- HTC Mail Separation -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On 7/18/2011 1:19 PM, Wayne Conrad wrote: 73's appears to go back farther than that: http://www.mikezulu.com/73s.htm I wonder whether the Walter Howell in the first card was the same Walter Howell who was the Assistant Engineer in Charge at the FCC New York Office in the early 1950s who signed my FCC Second Class Radiotelephone License in 1952. The age seems to be right. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
While the moderator may kill this thread shortly, I enjoy reading all the messages. English is not my mother language and I'm just pleased to learn more. TNX 73, Johnny VR2XMC 從︰ Bert Craig wa...@arrl.net 收件人︰ k2...@kanafi.org; Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2011年07月19日 (週二) 8:21 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia !-- HTC Mail Separation -- !-- HTC Mail Separation --Not so fast there, Phil. 73's was in use before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.) I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us 73 as a result of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. Best regards, no need to pluralize that which is already plural. As for the 3's 8's or first personal, remember, it's a different service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi. There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a 73's or QRT and standing by to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW traffic there too, go figure. As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert (my handle) WA2SI ...and all the pieces matter. -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone!-- HTC Mail Separation --- Reply message - From: Phil Kane k2...@kanafi.org To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 18:49 !-- HTC Mail Separation -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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The way I look at it, 73 doesn't translate specifically to any particular words (in English, or any other language). It's a language-independent expression of good will to the other operator, akin to verbal expressions in English like all the best, cheers, etc. Given that, I don't think it's necessarily any less-valid to pluralise it when morphing it into a verbal or textual expression in English. Now is it seven-three[s], or seventy-three[s] when spoken aloud??? ;) 73[[']s], ~iain On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Bert Craig wa...@arrl.net wrote: !-- HTC Mail Separation -- !-- HTC Mail Separation --Not so fast there, Phil. 73's was in use before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.) I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us 73 as a result of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. Best regards, no need to pluralize that which is already plural. As for the 3's 8's or first personal, remember, it's a different service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi. There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a 73's or QRT and standing by to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW traffic there too, go figure. As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert (my handle) WA2SI ...and all the pieces matter. -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone!-- HTC Mail Separation --- Reply message - From: Phil Kane k2...@kanafi.org To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 18:49 !-- HTC Mail Separation -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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The way I was taught it, the literal translation is Best regards. This was also validated by some independent research by a curious young op - yours truly. Check it out, there is much on the subject on the web. 73 de Bert WA2SI ...and all the pieces matter. -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone - Reply message - From: iain macdonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org To: Bert Craig wa...@arrl.net Cc: k2...@kanafi.org, Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 20:46 The way I look at it, 73 doesn't translate specifically to any particular words (in English, or any other language). It's a language-independent expression of good will to the other operator, akin to verbal expressions in English like all the best, cheers, etc. Given that, I don't think it's necessarily any less-valid to pluralise it when morphing it into a verbal or textual expression in English. Now is it seven-three[s], or seventy-three[s] when spoken aloud??? ;) 73[[']s], ~iain On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Bert Craig wa...@arrl.net wrote: Not so fast there, Phil. 73's was in use before 11-meter CB (Pse see previous posts.) I must say that I've always made a conscious effort to us 73 as a result of simple reasoning; 73 is already plural, i.e. Best regards, no need to pluralize that which is already plural. As for the 3's 8's or first personal, remember, it's a different service and a more relaxed one at that. I, for one, can be a little tolerant with the aforementioned phrases... Just as long as it stays on CB - hihi. There is a local net on 27.3850 MHz (CB Ch. 38) USB that is an absolute pleasure to listen to. A group of well mannered ops with nary a 73's or QRT and standing by to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW traffic there too, go figure. As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert (my handle) WA2SI ...and all the pieces matter. -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone- Reply message - From: Phil Kane k2...@kanafi.org To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 18:49 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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* On 2011 18 Jul 18:05 -0500, Gary Gregory wrote: OMGmy Handlenow that get(s) up my nose.Grin The handle here is loose... And FP sounds a little...too...personal for my taste. 73, de Nate N0NB -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Btw, know that this is pretty much academic for me as I very rarely use the spoken word ota as I operate 99.99% CW. I've yet to hear --... ...-- ... sent - hihi 73, Bert WA2SI ...and all the pieces matter. -- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone - Reply message - From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 21:25 * On 2011 18 Jul 18:05 -0500, Gary Gregory wrote: OMGmy Handlenow that get(s) up my nose.Grin The handle here is loose... And FP sounds a little...too...personal for my taste. 73, de Nate N0NB -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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You /remember/ them? On 7/18/2011 12:21 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: I remember the '60s as a time of anything goes so it is fair to use your apostrophes in any way your creative mind can dream up. -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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sounds good to me...AR On 19 July 2011 13:04, Mike Morrow k...@earthlink.net wrote: Bert wrote: I've yet to hear --... ...-- ... sent - hihi Don't you mean --... ...-- .. ... ? :-) My pet peeve is use of that damned BK. KN doesn't make much sense either...that's actually an open parenthesis. Both are just ham-only prosigns that would never have been heard on professional military or commercial Morse radiotelegraph circuits. What's wrong with the military standard: If a response is expected from the other station, send K (equivalent to phone OVER). If a response is not expected, send AR (equivalent to phone OUT). That's it in total! There's zero value to that repulsive BK that has spread like an ugly malignant Morse teratoma among many hams in the past decade or so. Mike / KK5F __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q signal trivia
On 7/16/2011 6:46 PM, Ken - K0PP wrote: Q signals were established to facilitate communication between stations that don't share a common language. In usual usage a Q signal without punctuation is considered a statement. If it's followed by a ?, it's meant as a question. In commercial radiotelegraph in the past, they were generally presented in the opposite order ... you ask the question INT QRM meaning, Are you bothered by interference?, or INT QLB KPH 6 meaning Have you monitored KPH on 8 Mcs and if so can you report their signal strength? and the answer QRM meant Yes, I am bothered by interference. If you weren't bothered by interference you responded N N K, or NO K. N and NO work for a great number of languages, as does OK. If you had monitored KPH on their 8 Mcs, you might report QLB KPH 6 QSA 4 meaning I have monitored KPH on their 8 Mcs frequency and I report them as QSA 4. In that service, INT [di di dah dit dah sent as one character] was the interrogatory, and preceded the question you were about to ask. [INT QRL] The Morse question mark is di di dah dah di dit] which duplicates the prosign IMI meaning either please repeat last or I will repeat last. Those with commercial radiotelegraph experience may remember this. INT never made it into ham practice as [I think] we found that we could easily distinguish a ? from an IMI from context. Of course, we were also not handling traffic for a price for a communications company who had a rule book and a Chief Op standing behind you about to box you on your ears if you screwed it up. :-) Needless to say, a purist would never use a Q signal in voice communications, but we all do. The home QTH here is ... (;-) Very true in commercial marine and aeronautical radiotelephone service. Hams, being inventive and prone to thinking out of the ITU box, have nounified and verbified [and in some cases adjectivified and adverbified] International Q Signals. QRM is too many stations on the same frequency, generally a noun, as is QRG [HIS QRG?]. QRQ can be either ... a noun denoting high speed CW, or a verb [QRQ] meaning speed up. Oh ... 73 is correct. 73's isn't. 73's is equivalent to Good lucks. I'm not the expert, but I have always thought 73 meant Best Regards. Thus, VY 73 ES GUD DX meant Very Best Regards and Good DX. 73's would then mean, Best Regardeses. But, if you tell me Best 73's on phone, I will take it as a gesture of good will toward me, and thank you for that. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Q
Way too early for that. My best guess is probably some time Q1 of this next year. 73, Eric WA6HHQ On 6/17/2010 10:19 AM, Julius Fazekas n2wn wrote: Any guidance on price levels, particularly for the external tuner? Pre-order list? Cheers, Julius - Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q
FB Eric, will watch for future announcements... Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en Tennessee QSO Party http://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366 Elecraft K3/100 #1875 --- On Thu, 6/17/10, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft e...@elecraft.com wrote: From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft e...@elecraft.com Subject: Q To: Julius Fazekas n2wn phriend...@yahoo.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 2:35 PM Way too early for that. My best guess is probably some time Q1 of this next year. 73, Eric WA6HHQ On 6/17/2010 10:19 AM, Julius Fazekas n2wn wrote: Any guidance on price levels, particularly for the external tuner? Pre-order list? Cheers, Julius - Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q
Just how did this post get in here? Isn't this the Noisy K3 Receiver forum. ;o) Terry, WØFM (sorry David) -Original Message- From: David [mailto:david_clo...@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:12 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Q Hi,I am building the K2 and the control board is done and checks out fine.The Front Panel is done but in the check list of J1 pins 1-20 pins 1-7 show 0 ohms pin 8 shows .12 ohms pin 9 0 ohms this is not consistent with checklist all else checks out ok , solder looks good no solder bridges could please make a suggestion David __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Q
Hi,I am building the K2 and the control board is done and checks out fine.The Front Panel is done but in the check list of J1 pins 1-20 pins 1-7 show 0 ohms pin 8 shows .12 ohms pin 9 0 ohms this is not consistent with checklist all else checks out ok , solder looks good no solder bridges could please make a suggestion David __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q
David, I find it hard to believe that all those pins actually show zero ohms. Does your DMM actually indicate 0.00, or is it indicating exactly what it does when the leads are not connected to anything (infinite resistance)? If your meter is indicating infinite resistance, then all is OK - that is what the (greater than) sign means - the resistance must be higher than the value listed, and may even be infinite. 73, Don W3FPR David wrote: Hi,I am building the K2 and the control board is done and checks out fine.The Front Panel is done but in the check list of J1 pins 1-20 pins 1-7 show 0 ohms pin 8 shows .12 ohms pin 9 0 ohms this is not consistent with checklist all else checks out ok , solder looks good no solder bridges could please make a suggestion David __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release Date: 12/18/09 02:35:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Q
Hi Gary, We haven't made any structural changes for several years. Are you going to www.elecraft.com? (Which is in frames mode.) Or are you going to the non-frames www.elecraft.com/home.htm ? 73, Eric WA6HHQ rfenab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Since the web site has been upgraded I cannot access the complete site with a PDA style device. It is not possible to navigate to the W2 or other products, you can only see the K3. The older site enable me to view the pages in detail. Are their any changes in the future that will correct this in the works? Does anybody have this restriction or is it a case of me being too old to grasp the new technology and I should just stick to HF...(:-(( 73's Gary VK4WT/P Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Q on Setting K3 Filter Offsets
I have all 8-pole filters in my K3. I've always noticed a slight audio response difference between LSB and USB positions. Read some list history on the topic. I do have a wideband noise generator and spectral analysis software, but have been too lazy to get everything set up. So I did a quick and dirty, just equalizing the receive response aurally on all of the installed filters. Ended up with -0.12 on the 2.8, +0.06 on the 1.8 and -0.05 on the 400. I'm curious wether the experts around here think that's close enough for government work, or if it's really worth going the spectrum analyzer route. Could these results just be due to unequal skirts, and maybe I should just don't worry, be happy and leave the 8-pole offsets set to zero? Thanks ... Grant/NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q on Setting K3 Filter Offsets
Grant, The answer depends on how much you can trust your ears to discern pitch - mine are terrible at that task, so I use the spectral analysis software as my 'crutch', but if you have good pitch recognition, your settings may be as good as it gets. 73, Don W3FPR Grant Youngman wrote: I have all 8-pole filters in my K3. I've always noticed a slight audio response difference between LSB and USB positions. Read some list history on the topic. I do have a wideband noise generator and spectral analysis software, but have been too lazy to get everything set up. So I did a quick and dirty, just equalizing the receive response aurally on all of the installed filters. Ended up with -0.12 on the 2.8, +0.06 on the 1.8 and -0.05 on the 400. I'm curious wether the experts around here think that's close enough for government work, or if it's really worth going the spectrum analyzer route. Could these results just be due to unequal skirts, and maybe I should just don't worry, be happy and leave the 8-pole offsets set to zero? Thanks ... Grant/NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Q on Setting K3 Filter Offsets
i guess I'll end up breaking down and do a real SA measurement over the weekend to double check my ears :-) Grant/NQ5T On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Grant, The answer depends on how much you can trust your ears to discern pitch - mine are terrible at that task, so I use the spectral analysis software as my 'crutch', but if you have good pitch recognition, your settings may be as good as it gets. 73, Don W3FPR Grant Youngman wrote: I have all 8-pole filters in my K3. I've always noticed a slight audio response difference between LSB and USB positions. Read some list history on the topic. I do have a wideband noise generator and spectral analysis software, but have been too lazy to get everything set up. So I did a quick and dirty, just equalizing the receive response aurally on all of the installed filters. Ended up with -0.12 on the 2.8, +0.06 on the 1.8 and -0.05 on the 400. I'm curious wether the experts around here think that's close enough for government work, or if it's really worth going the spectrum analyzer route. Could these results just be due to unequal skirts, and maybe I should just don't worry, be happy and leave the 8-pole offsets set to zero? Thanks ... Grant/NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Q re Missing K3 Kit part
I'm missing one lousy part -- a 5/8 nylon standoff that gets mounted on the DSP board (assembly errata E-7, item 3) to provide some spacing from the front panel board. While I wait for Elecraft to see my email on Monday and send the part, anyone know if this is a show stopper, or if I can proceed and come back around and install this after the fact? Thanks ... Grant/NQ5T ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q re Missing K3 Kit part
It's not a show stopper. It just helps you provide a little extra pressure as you push the FP to the RF board. It's nylon, it doesn't make a connection so there's no apparent impact to the circuit. I didn't have the stand off either in my kit SN 2105. I managed to use my finger to push the DSP board (tight squeeze) as I sandwiched the FP+DSP onto the RF board. You have to be careful not to flex the boards. It'll go. The connectors on the RF board to the FP will mate easier than you think. Be careful, but it's not a show stopper. Of course, Elecraft may have a different answer... -jeff On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Grant Youngman wrote: I'm missing one lousy part -- a 5/8 nylon standoff that gets mounted on the DSP board (assembly errata E-7, item 3) to provide some spacing from the front panel board. While I wait for Elecraft to see my email on Monday and send the part, anyone know if this is a show stopper, or if I can proceed and come back around and install this after the fact? Thanks ... Grant/NQ5T ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q re Missing K3 Kit part
Thanks. After looking more closely, I realized that the standoff just provides extra stiffening at the connector. I found a hex nylon standoff in my junk box, that works perfectly. It's was threaded 6-32, but it's a snug enough fit without being screwed in place once the DSP board is mounted. Onward and upward .. :) Grant/NQ5T On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Jeff Wandling W7BRS wrote: It's not a show stopper. It just helps you provide a little extra pressure as you push the FP to the RF board. It's nylon, it doesn't make a connection so there's no apparent impact to the circuit. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q re Missing K3 Kit part
I'm missing one lousy part -- a 5/8 nylon standoff that gets mounted on the DSP board (assembly errata E-7, item 3) to provide some spacing from the front panel board. Thanks to everyone who responded to this query. The issue is resolved. Just got the covers installed, and I'm about to power up and start setup and calibration :) Grant/NQ5T ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Q. about Elecraft utility
I noticed under the configuration pull-down menu there is a edit crystal filters button. I can't seem to make this work. Is it enabled or am I doing something wrong? I have the latest version for the Mac and all my filters are configured and work as designed, but I was curious about this feature. 73 Dale, K9VUJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q. about Elecraft utility
Hi Dale, The filter configuration is not yet available for the Mac version of the utility. I inadvertently left the button active on the current release, but clicking the button does nothing. Sorry for the confusion. David, W4SMT --- dalej [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed under the configuration pull-down menu there is a edit crystal filters button. I can't seem to make this work. Is it enabled or am I doing something wrong? I have the latest version for the Mac and all my filters are configured and work as designed, but I was curious about this feature. 73 Dale, K9VUJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Q: PowerPole connectors
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Elecraft does recommend soldering the Anderson connectors although many folks crimp them just fine. Just wanted to post a brief comment and recommendation that Elecraft improve the K3 power supply cable kit instructions. The instructions do NOT recommend soldering the connectors. The instructions simply say solder or crimp wires. And there's also no warning against using the simple crushing type crimp tools, which render the pins incapable of proper insertion. It just says to crimp in the center. So the odds of folks screwing this up and getting very frustrated are fairly high without improving the instructions. 73, Barry N1EU -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Q%3A-PowerPole-connectors-tp15183306p15243996.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Q: PowerPole connectors
Hello all, having one question: Are there delivered PowerPole connectors (to make power-cord locally) with K3? Or ready-made power cord? Sorry if I missed such info, preparing nest for K3 and this is still unclear to me... Thanks for info, 73! Lexa, ok1dst ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: PowerPole connectors
The power cord and connectors come with the kit. All you have to do is attach the connectors to the cord. That, by the way, is the only soldering you will have to do when you build the K3. k4ia Buck K3 #101 Fredericksburg, VA **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: PowerPole connectors
I crimped them! 73 de M0XDF / K3 #174, HexKey #375 On 30/1/08 14:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: The power cord and connectors come with the kit. All you have to do is attach the connectors to the cord. That, by the way, is the only soldering you will have to do when you build the K3. k4ia Buck K3 #101 Fredericksburg, VA -- Dont complain. Nobody will understand. Or care. And certainly dont try to fix the situation yourself. Its dangerous. Leave it to a highly untrained, unqualified, expendable professional. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: PowerPole connectors
Alexandr Kobranov wrote: Are there delivered PowerPole connectors (to make power-cord locally) with K3? Or ready-made power cord? Hi Lexa. The connectors and cable are included. You have to solder them on. So the K3 is not a no-solder kit. :) - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Q%3A-PowerPole-connectors-tp15183306p15183414.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Q: PowerPole connectors
To follow up what Ron said, what's important with crimping Anderson connectors is to use a tool that doesn't just crush them. Many of the Inexpensive crimpers just flatten the connector. You need one that has a semicircular recess on one side and a finger on the other side that pushes a dent into the back side of the connector while leaving it in Elecraft does recommend soldering the Anderson connectors although many folks crimp them just fine. The issue with crimping is doing it properly. For those who aren't experienced with the technique or who don't have the proper, good quality crimping tools, soldering is much more likely to produce the required low-resistance contact between cable and connector terminal. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Q: PowerPole connectors
Sorry about accidentally hitting Send there while I was typing To expand on what Ron said, what's important with crimping Anderson connectors is to use a tool that doesn't just crush them. Many of the inexpensive crimpers just flatten the connector. You need one that has a semicircular recess on one side and a finger on the other side that pushes a dent into the back side of the connector while leaving it in an overall round shape. If you distort the overall shape the connector will not go into the shell. http://www.dcpwr.com/ has a good crimper, and if, like me, you use PowerPoles all over the place it's good to have one. You can solder after crimping if you like. I never solder them without first crimping them. 73, Carl WS7L Elecraft does recommend soldering the Anderson connectors although many folks crimp them just fine. The issue with crimping is doing it properly. For those who aren't experienced with the technique or who don't have the proper, good quality crimping tools, soldering is much more likely to produce the required low-resistance contact between cable and connector terminal. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Q: PowerPole connectors
The K3 is a no solder kit. You don't touch a soldering iron to build it and get it on the air. But, if you make up your own power cables, antenna cables, microphone cables, computer interface cables, etc., you either need to buy them preassembled, buy crimp type cables with the proper tools, or get out a soldering iron. For those builders who don't already have a suitable power cable handy and who aren't adverse to a little soldering, Elecraft included a separate power cable kit gratis with the K3. Elecraft does recommend soldering the Anderson connectors although many folks crimp them just fine. The issue with crimping is doing it properly. For those who aren't experienced with the technique or who don't have the proper, good quality crimping tools, soldering is much more likely to produce the required low-resistance contact between cable and connector terminal. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: PowerPole connectors
Yes, I agree, I purchased the West Mountain Radio Deluxe one and very pleased with it. It meant shipping to the UK, but well worth it, if you are going to do a lot of crimping - I converted ALL 12V leads that didn't have some form of regulator (cigarette type) to PPs. On 30/1/08 16:55, Carl Clawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Sorry about accidentally hitting Send there while I was typing To expand on what Ron said, what's important with crimping Anderson connectors is to use a tool that doesn't just crush them. Many of the inexpensive crimpers just flatten the connector. You need one that has a semicircular recess on one side and a finger on the other side that pushes a dent into the back side of the connector while leaving it in an overall round shape. If you distort the overall shape the connector will not go into the shell. http://www.dcpwr.com/ has a good crimper, and if, like me, you use PowerPoles all over the place it's good to have one. You can solder after crimping if you like. I never solder them without first crimping them. 73, Carl WS7L Elecraft does recommend soldering the Anderson connectors although many folks crimp them just fine. The issue with crimping is doing it properly. For those who aren't experienced with the technique or who don't have the proper, good quality crimping tools, soldering is much more likely to produce the required low-resistance contact between cable and connector terminal. Ron AC7AC -- We are not the same persons this year as last; nor are those we love. It is a happy chance if we, changing, continue to love a changed person. -William Somerset Maugham, writer (1874-1965) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Q regarding DSP filtering
Are the DSP filters within the agc loop? I can't seem to find anything about this in the manual. Dale j. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Q-regarding-DSP-filtering-tp14639559p14639559.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q regarding DSP filtering [K3]
DaleJ wrote: Are the DSP filters within the agc loop? I can't seem to find anything about this in the manual. Yes, the main AGC loop includes the DSP filters. But there is also a 'hardware' AGC that kicks in on very strong (S9+30) signals that are within the crystal passband but outside of the DSP passband. This hardware AGC acts before the DSP (but usually does not act at all). I believe the above to be essentially true but maybe a bit oversimplified. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Q about the K3 rear panel
I'm trying to clear up some confusion on my part and maybe I've missed something in the manual. I am looking at a picture of the rear panel of the K3 and I see a sub-panel with rx ant in/out, xvtr in/out and IF out. Are these connectors only available if the KXV3 is ordered? What about if the sub receiver is ordered but no KXV3 will it have the rx in/out? It would be helpful if some of this were made a little more clear in the user manual or web page. What I want is the sub rx and rx in/out, but I don't need the KXV3 because I don't plan to use transverters. I do need to be able to connect a separate receiving antenna to the sub receiver. I also understand that in order to have the IF out connector I would need to order the KXV3? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Q-about-the-K3-rear-panel-tp14577141p14577141.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q about the K3 rear panel
DaleJ wrote: I'm trying to clear up some confusion on my part and maybe I've missed something in the manual. What I want is the sub rx and rx in/out, but I don't need the KXV3 because I don't plan to use transverters. If you want RX IN/OUT, you need a KXV3. It's wrong to think of it only as a Transverter option. Think of it as an RX ANT - IF OUT - Transverter option. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Q-about-the-K3-rear-panel-tp14577141p14577216.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q about the K3 rear panel
You can connect the subreceiver to a rx ant via the aux RF jack, without having the KXV3 option. See Antenna Selection at http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Stereo_Diversity_Reception_and_SO2V_Contesting 73/HNY, Barry N1EU DaleJ wrote: I'm trying to clear up some confusion on my part and maybe I've missed something in the manual. I am looking at a picture of the rear panel of the K3 and I see a sub-panel with rx ant in/out, xvtr in/out and IF out. Are these connectors only available if the KXV3 is ordered? What about if the sub receiver is ordered but no KXV3 will it have the rx in/out? It would be helpful if some of this were made a little more clear in the user manual or web page. What I want is the sub rx and rx in/out, but I don't need the KXV3 because I don't plan to use transverters. I do need to be able to connect a separate receiving antenna to the sub receiver. I also understand that in order to have the IF out connector I would need to order the KXV3? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Q-about-the-K3-rear-panel-tp14577141p14577587.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Q
Paolo: Continuing our discussion on measuring RF inductors, I tested an inductor I wound on a powdered iron core this morning. 29 turns of #22 wire on a T50-2 (red) core. Nominal value is 4.2 uH if I recall correctly. HP4342A Q-meter, measured at 7.9 MHz: Lp = 4.30uH, Q=212 HP4320A RLC Bridge @ 1 KHz: Auto: 1.5uH Q: N/A Ls (manual) L=2.0uH, Q=0.98 Lp (manual) cannot be measured as Lp requires Q 8 General Radio GR1650A RLC Bridge @ 1 KHz: Lp=10uH, Q=0.98 Ls=5uH, Q=5uH Leader LCR740 RLC Bridge L=4.50 uH Q=0.98 The Q-meter values are the ones I regard as correct. I also measured the DC resistance of the inductor, using an HP3468A multi-meter in 4-wire ohms mode: 28 milliohms. We can compute the approximate Q of this inductor at 1 KHz, assuming its true inductance is 4.3 uH (powdered iron has a very flat relative permeability versus frequency relationship, so we should expect the true inductance to be 4.3 uH at 1 KHz.) Xl = 2*pi*L = 27 mOhms. In series model, Q = Xl/Rs = 27/28 = 0.96 Note that both the GR1650A and LCR740 match this Q value almost exactly. (We can safely neglect the core loss and other losses in this approximation, as the inductor's loss is dominated by the DC resistance of the windings.) If you read the instruction manuals on the RLC bridges (GR1650A manual is much better in this regard than HP's 4260A manual in my view) you will see that low Q inductors are difficult to accurately measure. You will also see how to convert the series model to parallel and vice versa. What about that 10uH Lp value from the GR1650A? To compare it with the same instrument's Ls reading, we must convert to consistent models. In this case, we'll use the series model and compute Ls from the Lp measurement: GR1650A Lp=10uH Ls = LpQ^2/(1+Q^2) = Ls = 10uH*0.98^2/(1+0.98^2) = 4.99 uH. Thus, we see that the series model inductance is 5uH, whether measured with the bridge in Ls or Lp mode. The GR1650's accuracy rating is +/- 1uH when on the lowest inductance range (100 uH full scale) at the bottom of the dial, which is where this inductor reads. Hence the measured value of the inductor at 1 KHz is 5 uH +/- 1uH, so we see that the true value of 4.3 uH is within the measurement accuracy of the GR1650A bridge. The measurement accuracy at 1 KHz can be improved by calibrating out the residual inductance and some other tricks that are mentioned in the manuals. The GR1650A bridge, by the way, is the same model I used in Electrical Engineering labs when I studied EE in the mid 1960's. Still a good bridge and I find it preferable to the HP4620A. Jack K8ZOA www.cliftonlaboratories.com - home of the Z90/91 digital panadapter. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Fred Jensen wrote: Sorry Nick, Teeny and lightning in the same sentence is oxymoronic. [...] Disconnect your K2. Disconnect all your gear. Unplug it from the surge Perhaps you misunderstand me, or perhaps I wasn't making myself clear. I have my KAT100 switched to a dummy load by default and my antennas on ANT2 are disconnected by the relays when there's no power... ... BUT I'm not going to pretend that this is going to protect me from a direct strike, or even something nearby, probably not even something in my village. I nearly ALWAYS remember to completely unplug my antennas when not using the rig, but IF, just IF I forget to, and a thunderstorm passes, I suspect that having my antennas the other side of a relay gap is still considerably better than having sensitive front-ends directly connected. I'm not pretending it's adequate lightning protection, but it's got to buy me a few more miles of safety margin just IF I forgot to disconnect my K2. pa3gyu wrote: I ended up using a 50 ohm 'terminator' on 'Ant2'. It looks like a BNC connector and has a small chain that you can screw down so you can't loose it. In the old days these were used to terminate 50 ohm Ethernet networks. I'm not sure about the power they are supposed to be able to handle Usually about half a watt. but this particular one has survived many of my attempts to tune 'Ant2' You're quite lucky, but I guess auto TUNE never lasts longer than a second or two at about 2W, so you'll tend to get away with it. Like my slight lightning protection, it's not a real solution, but bound to be better than none at all :-) -- Nosey Nick Waterman, G7RZQ, K2 #5209. use Std::Disclaimer;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Many a man's tongue broke his nose. -Seumas MacManus ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Jean-Francois Joly VA2JFJ I too built my K2 # 5422, 2 months ago. It had been a while since my previous Heathkit kit building experiences. Tools you will want to acquire: - good SMALL flush-cutting cutters - Kester lower-rosin SOLDER, like SN63PB37 - hand Magnifying Glass - Solder Sucker tool, cheap - digital MultiMeter (like $27 us) - an ANTI-STATIC MAT, and Wrist Strap ($15 us) - small pocket knife, fine screwdriver - smaller phillips head screwdriver - some de-solder wick (works poorly) - needle nose pliers, with rubber band I found that working in 2 hour or less periods, helped me from making any careless mistakes. Elecraft, and this message mail board, will help you complete a successful K2. Great bunch of people! Thanks, 73's Fred, N3CSY (formerly of Chinon, Loire, 1958) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Jean-Francois Joly VA2JFJ I too built my K2 # 5422, 2 months ago. It had been a while since my previous Heathkit kit building experiences. Tools you will want to acquire: - good SMALL flush-cutting cutters - Kester lower-rosin SOLDER, like SN63PB37 - hand Magnifying Glass - Solder Sucker tool, cheap - digital MultiMeter (like $27 us) - an ANTI-STATIC MAT, and Wrist Strap ($15 us) - small pocket knife, fine screwdriver - smaller phillips head screwdriver - some de-solder wick (works poorly) - needle nose pliers, with rubber band I found that working in 2 hour or less periods, helped me from making any careless mistakes. Elecraft, and this message mail board, will help you complete a successful K2. Great bunch of people! Thanks, 73's Fred, N3CSY (formerly of Chinon, Loire, 1958) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Hi all, I will be passing my morse code exam soon and I was looking for the best radio to start with for CW. Up to now I'm pretty sure I will go with the K2. I just wanted to know if any special tools are required to complete the kit? I'm aware of what they say in the advertisement... But still, once I bought an OHR100 kit, claiming that no special tools were required, but at the end of the alignement stage, they *assumed* you already had another transceiver as your main rig to tune the OHR. Is this the case with the K2? Thanks, Jean-Francois VA2JFJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Don W3FPR wrote: Yes there is one 'tool' that is assumed for the alignment steps, and that is a dummy load. Every hamshack should have one. If you don't have one already, I suggest the Elecraft DL1. - Also very useful when the rig is up and running. I'm not certain about the K2's antenna tuner, but the KAT100 has two antenna coax connectors and I keep a dummy load connected at all times to the 'Antenna 2' connector. By switching to ANT 2 the K2/100 can be checked quickly at full power without causing annoying QRM, although leakage across the KAT100's relay does allow a milliwatt or so to get to the antenna feeder connected to the 'Antenna 1' connector. 73, Geoff GM4ESD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Hi Jean-Francois, Congratulations on your upcoming passing of the CW exam. Also, I think you've made a great choice in going with the K2, its a great rig. I don't think that you need too many tools out of the ordinary to build the K2, but it is certainly is a great opportunity (or excuse) to buy a bunch of neat stuff. Among the tools I bought, using the K2 as a reason (or excuse) were: a Panvise with the Printed Circuit board holder attachment a de-solder iron (got lots of use from that) a magnifier/flourescent lamp a temperature controlled soldering station (with lots of different tips) Silver bearing solder (before they said not to use it) Kesters multi-core solder (after they said not to use the silver stuff) a solder pot and a bar of solder (which I used before placing my order with toroid guy!) Of course after you finish the basic K2, they temp you with all sorts of things you just have to have, like dsp filter, ssb, et al. All in all building the K2 was a lot of fun and a very satisfying experience. Have a lot of fun building it and don't forget to post your questions here, these guys have seen it all and they are a great help. 73 de Tom WB2QDG -- Original message -- From: Jean-Francois Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I will be passing my morse code exam soon and I was looking for the best radio to start with for CW. Up to now I'm pretty sure I will go with the K2. I just wanted to know if any special tools are required to complete the kit? I'm aware of what they say in the advertisement... But still, once I bought an OHR100 kit, claiming that no special tools were required, but at the end of the alignement stage, they *assumed* you already had another transceiver as your main rig to tune the OHR. Is this the case with the K2? Thanks, Jean-Francois VA2JFJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Hi Geoff, Yes the basic K2 with the ATU also has 2 antenna jacks. I also put a dummy load on 'Ant 2', I can't tell you how many times I tried to auto tune into an empty 'Ant 2', before I finally caught on. Tom WB2QDG K2 1103 Also very useful when the rig is up and running. I'm not certain about the K2's antenna tuner, but the KAT100 has two antenna coax connectors and I keep a dummy load connected at all times to the 'Antenna 2' connector. By switching to ANT 2 the K2/100 can be checked quickly at full power without causing annoying QRM, although leakage across the KAT100's relay does allow a milliwatt or so to get to the antenna feeder connected to the 'Antenna 1' connector. 73, Geoff GM4ESD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Jean-Francois, Of course, you don't need most of these neat things - I have a Panvise (an old one) and found it not very useful because it wouldn't hold the board once the components very close to the edge were put in. For de-soldering, I've been using de-soldering wick, which looks like a roll of very fine copper braid and sucks up an amazing amount of solder... best of all, a roll costs only a dollar or two from your local RadioShack or equivalent. A temperature controlled iron is a must, but you really need only one tip - I bought several, in several different sizes and temperatures, and after building the K2 and most of the options that would fit into it (plus some other add-ons), I'm still using the first soldering tip I started with. One tool that hasn't been mentioned but is cheap and very useful is a surgical hemostat - this looks like a cross between a small scissor and a locking pliers, and it serves as a small needle nose pliers that also locks. RadioShack and other electronics suppliers are now selling these for a few dollars for building electronic stuff. Bob W1SRB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:18 PM To: Jean-Francois Joly; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2 Hi Jean-Francois, Congratulations on your upcoming passing of the CW exam. Also, I think you've made a great choice in going with the K2, its a great rig. I don't think that you need too many tools out of the ordinary to build the K2, but it is certainly is a great opportunity (or excuse) to buy a bunch of neat stuff. Among the tools I bought, using the K2 as a reason (or excuse) were: a Panvise with the Printed Circuit board holder attachment a de-solder iron (got lots of use from that) a magnifier/flourescent lamp a temperature controlled soldering station (with lots of different tips) Silver bearing solder (before they said not to use it) Kesters multi-core solder (after they said not to use the silver stuff) a solder pot and a bar of solder (which I used before placing my order with toroid guy!) Of course after you finish the basic K2, they temp you with all sorts of things you just have to have, like dsp filter, ssb, et al. All in all building the K2 was a lot of fun and a very satisfying experience. Have a lot of fun building it and don't forget to post your questions here, these guys have seen it all and they are a great help. 73 de Tom WB2QDG -- Original message -- From: Jean-Francois Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I will be passing my morse code exam soon and I was looking for the best radio to start with for CW. Up to now I'm pretty sure I will go with the K2. I just wanted to know if any special tools are required to complete the kit? I'm aware of what they say in the advertisement... But still, once I bought an OHR100 kit, claiming that no special tools were required, but at the end of the alignement stage, they *assumed* you already had another transceiver as your main rig to tune the OHR. Is this the case with the K2? Thanks, Jean-Francois VA2JFJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Tom WB2QDG wrote: Yes the basic K2 with the ATU also has 2 antenna jacks. I also put a dummy load on 'Ant 2', I can't tell you how many times I tried to auto tune into an empty 'Ant 2', before I finally caught on. --- Hi Tom, I did not want to make that confession :) 73, Geoff GM4ESD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Thank you all for your responses... You people are much helpful. Jean-Francois VA2JFJ On 6/21/06, Solosko, Robert B (Bob) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jean-Francois, Of course, you don't need most of these neat things - I have a Panvise (an old one) and found it not very useful because it wouldn't hold the board once the components very close to the edge were put in. For de-soldering, I've been using de-soldering wick, which looks like a roll of very fine copper braid and sucks up an amazing amount of solder... best of all, a roll costs only a dollar or two from your local RadioShack or equivalent. A temperature controlled iron is a must, but you really need only one tip - I bought several, in several different sizes and temperatures, and after building the K2 and most of the options that would fit into it (plus some other add-ons), I'm still using the first soldering tip I started with. One tool that hasn't been mentioned but is cheap and very useful is a surgical hemostat - this looks like a cross between a small scissor and a locking pliers, and it serves as a small needle nose pliers that also locks. RadioShack and other electronics suppliers are now selling these for a few dollars for building electronic stuff. Bob W1SRB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:18 PM To: Jean-Francois Joly; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2 Hi Jean-Francois, Congratulations on your upcoming passing of the CW exam. Also, I think you've made a great choice in going with the K2, its a great rig. I don't think that you need too many tools out of the ordinary to build the K2, but it is certainly is a great opportunity (or excuse) to buy a bunch of neat stuff. Among the tools I bought, using the K2 as a reason (or excuse) were: a Panvise with the Printed Circuit board holder attachment a de-solder iron (got lots of use from that) a magnifier/flourescent lamp a temperature controlled soldering station (with lots of different tips) Silver bearing solder (before they said not to use it) Kesters multi-core solder (after they said not to use the silver stuff) a solder pot and a bar of solder (which I used before placing my order with toroid guy!) Of course after you finish the basic K2, they temp you with all sorts of things you just have to have, like dsp filter, ssb, et al. All in all building the K2 was a lot of fun and a very satisfying experience. Have a lot of fun building it and don't forget to post your questions here, these guys have seen it all and they are a great help. 73 de Tom WB2QDG -- Original message -- From: Jean-Francois Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I will be passing my morse code exam soon and I was looking for the best radio to start with for CW. Up to now I'm pretty sure I will go with the K2. I just wanted to know if any special tools are required to complete the kit? I'm aware of what they say in the advertisement... But still, once I bought an OHR100 kit, claiming that no special tools were required, but at the end of the alignement stage, they *assumed* you already had another transceiver as your main rig to tune the OHR. Is this the case with the K2? Thanks, Jean-Francois VA2JFJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Geoff, Yes the basic K2 with the ATU also has 2 antenna jacks. I also put a dummy load on 'Ant 2', I can't tell you how many times I tried to auto tune into an empty 'Ant 2', before I finally caught on. I have the dummy load in ANT1 of my KPA100, and the real ant in ANT2. I have this crazy idea that ANT1 is selected when powered down, so I have just a teeny tiny bit more lightning protection with the real ant disconnected, even if it's only a fraction of a mm gap in a relay. -- Nosey Nick Waterman, G7RZQ, K2 #5209. use Std::Disclaimer;[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a forgotten man in his (Bobby Robson's) mind. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Nick Waterman wrote: I have the dummy load in ANT1 of my KPA100, and the real ant in ANT2. I have this crazy idea that ANT1 is selected when powered down, so I have just a teeny tiny bit more lightning protection with the real ant disconnected, even if it's only a fraction of a mm gap in a relay. Sorry Nick, Teeny and lightning in the same sentence is oxymoronic. For small static charges, maybe, if there's a bleed path (I think Elecraft rigs have one). For direct hits (or near direct hits, or hits on your power or tel lines some distance away followed by flames), call the fire department, assuming the phone still works. Make sure your rig is grounded from the chassis to the real Earth, as our UK/VK colleagues call it, which is a much better way of looking at it actually. Our use of the word ground calls up a steel tent stake in the dirt. Earth is often not what you stand on, it may be unreachable electrically. Lightning strikes are really RF ... DC to light (OK ... we all know that, we've seen them, they're scary). A good DC ground, like the one the power company uses and might be required by your building codes, may be an open circuit for RF. Disconnect your K2. Disconnect all your gear. Unplug it from the surge protectors in a thunderstorm. Consider the size of the surge protector compared to the distance between the cloud and the powerline that takes the hit. If the static voltage was enough to make it from a cloud to anywhere near your antenna, the liklihood that the relay contacts are going to stop it approach zero ... really fast. Fred K6DGW Auburn CA CM98lw Nick Waterman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Geoff, Yes the basic K2 with the ATU also has 2 antenna jacks. I also put a dummy load on 'Ant 2', I can't tell you how many times I tried to auto tune into an empty 'Ant 2', before I finally caught on. I have the dummy load in ANT1 of my KPA100, and the real ant in ANT2. I have this crazy idea that ANT1 is selected when powered down, so I have just a teeny tiny bit more lightning protection with the real ant disconnected, even if it's only a fraction of a mm gap in a relay. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Q: Building the K2
Tom WB2QDG wrote: Yes the basic K2 with the ATU also has 2 antenna jacks. I also put a dummy load on 'Ant 2', I can't tell you how many times I tried to auto tune into an empty 'Ant 2', before I finally caught on. Been there, done that, still do it occasionally As I seldom have my K2 at full power, I ended up using a 50 ohm 'terminator' on 'Ant2'. It looks like a BNC connector and has a small chain that you can screw down so you can't loose it. In the old days these were used to terminate 50 ohm Ethernet networks. I'm not sure about the power they are supposed to be able to handle, but this particular one has survived many of my attempts to tune 'Ant2' Bart de PA3GYU. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Q about XV60 pre-installation in K2 #3121
I'm at the module pre-installation step of my K2 and am confused by the pre-installation instructions for the XV60. It looks like some of the parts have been re-numbered, and I can't figure out what steps of the XV60 manual to perform. I have read the D and F K2 manuals and the XV60 manual, and its errata, and searched the mailing list. Here are the three questions, in increasing order of my confusion: 1. Both the Rev D manual for my K2(p.68) and the Rev F manual (p.62) say the same thing: [] Do not remove W1. There are no occurrences of W1 in the XV60 Rev A manual. On p.7 of the XV60 manual under K2 RF Board Preparation, it says to remove W6. I'm assuming W6 is the correct jumper not to remove. Yes, we have no bananas. (I.e., this just made me cautious.) 2. Both the Rev D manual for my K2(p.68) and the Rev F manual (p.62) say: [] Complete the steps for J14 through C13 and C14. The XV60 manual mentions J14 as part of the transverter installation, but I don't see any specific steps about putting in J14 on the RF board, so it must be RF-J13. There is an RF-J13 8-pin connector in the XV60 that it says to install on the RF board. So I guess it is really J13 I should install. That is not too hard. 3. But I haven't identified C13 and C14 yet so I'm not sure what this means. The only capacitor for on the RF board is RF-C71 and it is a replacement, not an installation, and seems an unlikely candidate for pre-installation. Then there are the two varactors RF-D19 and RF-D20. Which of these 3 components should I install/replace now? Any ideas or experience? Thanks, Leigh WA5ZNU. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
