Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time
No, that's not normal. It should only take a few minutes. Dave, N4QS Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Nand Kishore vu2...@gmail.com Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:51:44 To: elecraftelecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time What should be the time taken to do an upload for a K3 with subrx. In my case its about 70 minutes.Is this normal ? Nandu Vu2nks K3 # 282 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time
Check the bitrate between your computer and the K3. Unless there are problems, it should run at 38kbits/S. That's when it takes just a few minutes, but you may have yours set to a very slow speed. HTH 73 Dave G3TJP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time
Try turning on Advanced Mode in the View menu. If the link is causing errors, they'll be annunciated on the Send MCU Firmware pane. You should see the progress bar marking a new block of code every few seconds. 73, matt W6NIA On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:32:42 +0530, you wrote: Handshake between K3 and Comp. via utility is auto set at 38.4K. That,s what I have seen. I don't get a look in. Nandu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time
About five to eight minutes is normal. You may have many retries, indicating a less than ideal RS-232 connection. Use the view menu, verbose settings for explicit indications of each retry. Check that your cable hold down screws are snug. Try the troubleshooting steps in K3 Utility Help for USB to serial adapters if that is what you are using. If the RS232 cabling path is complex (many connectors) try to simplify it. Firmware load is done at 38400 bps. 73 de Dick, K6KR On Dec 3, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Nand Kishore vu2...@gmail.com wrote: What should be the time taken to do an upload for a K3 with subrx. In my case its about 70 minutes.Is this normal ? Nandu Vu2nks K3 # 282 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time
Hi Dick, I have been battling with an ERR TXG problem. I am in touch with support.Have changed LPA. No improvement in out put power,cannot exceed 10w with KPA3 in line.About 0.6W with KPA3 bypassed.Various voltages taken with rf probe as advised reported back to support.Was advised to do ref cal again. So,I did the full F/W down load,latest regular release with latest utility. It has been taking a long time to do F/W load lately,but always without any retries. So,I thought of asking here if the time taken to load was a norm.If the F/W is not done right,should I not sort it out first before looking at H/W. I have K3/100 # 282 + KRX3 + KDVR + P3. Using Laptop with pcmcia dual serial port card. 73 de Nandu On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.net wrote: About five to eight minutes is normal. You may have many retries, indicating a less than ideal RS-232 connection. Use the view menu, verbose settings for explicit indications of each retry. Check that your cable hold down screws are snug. Try the troubleshooting steps in K3 Utility Help for USB to serial adapters if that is what you are using. If the RS232 cabling path is complex (many connectors) try to simplify it. Firmware load is done at 38400 bps. 73 de Dick, K6KR On Dec 3, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Nand Kishore vu2...@gmail.com wrote: What should be the time taken to do an upload for a K3 with subrx. In my case its about 70 minutes.Is this normal ? Nandu Vu2nks K3 # 282 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time
Has that serial path worked more quickly in the past? Do you have alternatives available to try? That load time is terrible v Dick On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Nand Kishore vu2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dick, I have been battling with an ERR TXG problem. I am in touch with support.Have changed LPA. No improvement in out put power,cannot exceed 10w with KPA3 in line.About 0.6W with KPA3 bypassed.Various voltages taken with rf probe as advised reported back to support.Was advised to do ref cal again. So,I did the full F/W down load,latest regular release with latest utility. It has been taking a long time to do F/W load lately,but always without any retries. So,I thought of asking here if the time taken to load was a norm.If the F/W is not done right,should I not sort it out first before looking at H/W. I have K3/100 # 282 + KRX3 + KDVR + P3. Using Laptop with pcmcia dual serial port card. 73 de Nandu On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.net wrote: About five to eight minutes is normal. You may have many retries, indicating a less than ideal RS-232 connection. Use the view menu, verbose settings for explicit indications of each retry. Check that your cable hold down screws are snug. Try the troubleshooting steps in K3 Utility Help for USB to serial adapters if that is what you are using. If the RS232 cabling path is complex (many connectors) try to simplify it. Firmware load is done at 38400 bps. 73 de Dick, K6KR On Dec 3, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Nand Kishore vu2...@gmail.com wrote: What should be the time taken to do an upload for a K3 with subrx. In my case its about 70 minutes.Is this normal ? Nandu Vu2nks K3 # 282 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time
Yes, the uploads have been faster before.Now I will try with regular usb to serial cable which I had kept aside as I wanted FSK. Now I will take the cable directly to K3 instead of via P3. I have no other PC. Will report back. 73 de Nandu On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.net wrote: Has that serial path worked more quickly in the past? Do you have alternatives available to try? That load time is terrible v Dick On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Nand Kishore vu2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dick, I have been battling with an ERR TXG problem. I am in touch with support.Have changed LPA. No improvement in out put power,cannot exceed 10w with KPA3 in line.About 0.6W with KPA3 bypassed.Various voltages taken with rf probe as advised reported back to support.Was advised to do ref cal again. So,I did the full F/W down load,latest regular release with latest utility. It has been taking a long time to do F/W load lately,but always without any retries. So,I thought of asking here if the time taken to load was a norm.If the F/W is not done right,should I not sort it out first before looking at H/W. I have K3/100 # 282 + KRX3 + KDVR + P3. Using Laptop with pcmcia dual serial port card. 73 de Nandu On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.netwrote: About five to eight minutes is normal. You may have many retries, indicating a less than ideal RS-232 connection. Use the view menu, verbose settings for explicit indications of each retry. Check that your cable hold down screws are snug. Try the troubleshooting steps in K3 Utility Help for USB to serial adapters if that is what you are using. If the RS232 cabling path is complex (many connectors) try to simplify it. Firmware load is done at 38400 bps. 73 de Dick, K6KR On Dec 3, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Nand Kishore vu2...@gmail.com wrote: What should be the time taken to do an upload for a K3 with subrx. In my case its about 70 minutes.Is this normal ? Nandu Vu2nks K3 # 282 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time
Make sure you have the latest version of the K3 Utility. Fred Cady fcady at ieee dot org -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nand Kishore Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:31 AM To: Dick Dievendorff Cc: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time Yes, the uploads have been faster before.Now I will try with regular usb to serial cable which I had kept aside as I wanted FSK. Now I will take the cable directly to K3 instead of via P3. I have no other PC. Will report back. 73 de Nandu On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.net wrote: Has that serial path worked more quickly in the past? Do you have alternatives available to try? That load time is terrible v Dick On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Nand Kishore vu2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dick, I have been battling with an ERR TXG problem. I am in touch with support.Have changed LPA. No improvement in out put power,cannot exceed 10w with KPA3 in line.About 0.6W with KPA3 bypassed.Various voltages taken with rf probe as advised reported back to support.Was advised to do ref cal again. So,I did the full F/W down load,latest regular release with latest utility. It has been taking a long time to do F/W load lately,but always without any retries. So,I thought of asking here if the time taken to load was a norm.If the F/W is not done right,should I not sort it out first before looking at H/W. I have K3/100 # 282 + KRX3 + KDVR + P3. Using Laptop with pcmcia dual serial port card. 73 de Nandu On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.netwrote: About five to eight minutes is normal. You may have many retries, indicating a less than ideal RS-232 connection. Use the view menu, verbose settings for explicit indications of each retry. Check that your cable hold down screws are snug. Try the troubleshooting steps in K3 Utility Help for USB to serial adapters if that is what you are using. If the RS232 cabling path is complex (many connectors) try to simplify it. Firmware load is done at 38400 bps. 73 de Dick, K6KR On Dec 3, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Nand Kishore vu2...@gmail.com wrote: What should be the time taken to do an upload for a K3 with subrx. In my case its about 70 minutes.Is this normal ? Nandu Vu2nks K3 # 282 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time
K3 Utility # 1.12.10.10 in use. Tried upload agn with P3 bypassed.Regular usb to serial cable originally procured from Elecraft used.No upload failure.No retries. MCU load time 2.25 m FPF load time 2.20 m DSP1 load time 34.30m On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Cady, Fred fc...@ece.montana.edu wrote: Make sure you have the latest version of the K3 Utility. Fred Cady fcady at ieee dot org -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nand Kishore Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:31 AM To: Dick Dievendorff Cc: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload elapsed time Yes, the uploads have been faster before.Now I will try with regular usb to serial cable which I had kept aside as I wanted FSK. Now I will take the cable directly to K3 instead of via P3. I have no other PC. Will report back. 73 de Nandu On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.net wrote: Has that serial path worked more quickly in the past? Do you have alternatives available to try? That load time is terrible v Dick __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
J. Edward (Ed) Muns wrote: your K3 vs. what the latest version is available on the server. If you want to download, simply click the 'Download' button, wait 2-3 minutes and that's it. This thread concerns me. The download mechanism seems seriously over-engineered and to have built in obsolescence. Whilst one might provide more user friendly wrappers for the upload protocol, I can see no sound reason why it should not have been designed so that one can upload updates using almost any off the shelf terminal emulator program, preferably as simply as a straight dump of an Intel hex file to the K3. By forcing people to use a Windows application, Elecraft are requiring the use of a specific brand of software and the use of hardware that is orders of magnitude more powerful than actually needed to do the job, when the former should never be a requirement for using the K3 and the latter is not a requirement. The built in obsolescence arises because the Microsoft revenue generation model depends on forcing people to continually update software to stand still. This tends to mean that any Windows dependent software must be regularly updated. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
This thread has gone on too long and information previously provided is being lost in subsequent posts. Elecraft is well aware of the varying needs of its customers for easy updating of K3 firmware. The current method being used in Field Test may or may not be ONE of the methods available to customers. Under consideration are a number of different options from which a customer can choose what works best for his individual situation. The important point is that the K3 firmware is very easily updated, regardless of which method is used. Stay tuned for more information on the actual customer updating options when Elecraft is able to provide it. 73, Ed - W0YK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Woolley Sent: Thursday, 26 July, 2007 14:42 To: 'Elecraft Discussion List' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload J. Edward (Ed) Muns wrote: your K3 vs. what the latest version is available on the server. If you want to download, simply click the 'Download' button, wait 2-3 minutes and that's it. This thread concerns me. The download mechanism seems seriously over-engineered and to have built in obsolescence. Whilst one might provide more user friendly wrappers for the upload protocol, I can see no sound reason why it should not have been designed so that one can upload updates using almost any off the shelf terminal emulator program, preferably as simply as a straight dump of an Intel hex file to the K3. By forcing people to use a Windows application, Elecraft are requiring the use of a specific brand of software and the use of hardware that is orders of magnitude more powerful than actually needed to do the job, when the former should never be a requirement for using the K3 and the latter is not a requirement. The built in obsolescence arises because the Microsoft revenue generation model depends on forcing people to continually update software to stand still. This tends to mean that any Windows dependent software must be regularly updated. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
Don't lose sight of the original intent of the system as originally explained. It was for the Developers and the Beta Testers to have a readily available method of staying in sync with each other. From what I have read I don't see any indication that by the time we need an update we won't have a plethora of options. Also, we are all behaving as though Elecraft won't be able to deliver a product without our having a way to upgrade it before the shipping container is separated from the contents. BTW, with all the clamor to get the technologically newest rig it amazes me that there is such a debate on the cheapest and least technologically advanced way to acquire upgrade data. I'm sure the rigs will work while we wait for a delivery in the mail if we must ;) ( PS I've wasted many more hours chasing drivers for linux software than any other system I've used in 51 years of computing - Royal-McBee LGP-30 grad) Al WA6VNN ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
I have to say it sounds like the daily, more or less, firmware uploads execute flawlessly. Haven't seen a negative word on the subject... It does work smoothly and effortlessly. When I see a new MCU or DSP firmware file on the share (or, the firmware team announces such), I download to the K3 with a couple clicks and 2-3 minutes of time. I'm wondering what the process involves. Is it similar to say the Ten Tec Pegasus or AmQRP micro908 uploads? It is most similar to the Windows Update mechanism. It uses the same RS232 cable connecting your K3 to your PC for rig control. Would it require a direct connection to the web or could you download the upgrade (like N1MM) and install it via any computer connected to the rig? The PC interfaces to the K3 also needs an Internet connection. The K3 Field Test shared server is live all the time and updates the local K3 folder on your PC when any files are added to the share, e.g., new firmware, documentation, etc. You open the K3 Firmware Loader application (or, leave it open) and it shows you what revision firmware in currently installed in your K3 vs. what the latest version is available on the server. If you want to download, simply click the 'Download' button, wait 2-3 minutes and that's it. Future versions might work differently, e.g., even more automated like Windows Update, if you prefer, or more traditional methods for those without Internet connections, e.g., CD-ROM from the factory. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
This brings up an interesting question in my mind. I have noticed in many flash upgrades for computer bios that the upgrades often involve changes that I would not necessarily want to make to the BIOS. Some manufacturers would require (force) the change if you wanted to install any version of the flash BIOS - not allow you to skip versions. Will the K3 version changes support retrograde installation ( I would imagine that is supported by a clean refresh ) will version .x3 automatically include version .x2 if you are currently running .x1? Or, will there be any selective process that will allow the operator to not install some changes? If my guess is not too far off, all versions will be sequential and any opt out would require turning a feature 'off' or 'on' manually after the version upgrade. AL WA6VNN ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This brings up an interesting question in my mind. I have noticed in many flash upgrades for computer bios that the upgrades often involve changes that I would not necessarily want to make to the BIOS. Some manufacturers would require (force) the change if you wanted to install any version of the flash BIOS - not allow you to skip versions. Most manufacturers recommend that you don't upgrade a BIOS unless you actually need to, because there's a small risk that if something goes wrong during the update (like your PC crashes or there's a power failure) the BIOS becomes unusable and you can't restart the update. Does the K3 have a non-programmable boot loader that cannot be overwritten so that it is always able to receive an update no matter what goes wrong? Or would a power hiccup mean a dead radio that would have to be shipped back to Elecraft? -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
Does the K3 have a non-programmable boot loader that cannot be overwritten so that it is always able to receive an update no matter what goes wrong? The MCU has a protected memory space where the bootloader resides, so if power drops or other untoward events occur, you should be able to reload the firmware in the radio after the event has passed. Put another way, the update process for firmware does *not* overwrite the bootloader. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
Hallo, Not sure if this is dealt with in the FAQ. The PC interfaces to the K3 also needs an Internet connection. Does PC mean Windows, or are other operating systems supported? Which Windows versions are supported? If the protocols are available, a loader could be programmed using Mono, DotGNU Portable.NET or Python which should be able to work well with various systems. vy 73 de toby PS: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/ -- DD5FZ, 4N6FZ (ex dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) K2 #885, K2/100 #3248 K3/100 #??? ( #200) DOK C12, BCC, DL-QRP-AG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
Will the K3 version changes support retrograde installation ( I would imagine that is supported by a clean refresh ) will version .x3 automatically include version .x2 if you are currently running .x1? The K3 is not a general purpose computer, so it doesn't have all sorts of DLLs, OS service packs, and other frustrating dependencies. The MCU code, which runs the radio, is a single block of code, complete in itself. Similarly, the DSP code is a single block of code, complete in itself. All you need to do, if you do not want to use the current version, is ensure that the DSP and MCU code you choose to load are compatible with each other. You probably would not want to run this year's DSP with a two year old MCU load, for example... or maybe you would? :-) Lyle ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
The PC interfaces to the K3 also needs an Internet connection. Does PC mean Windows, or are other operating systems supported? Which Windows versions are supported? More specifically, the program which updates the K3 needs access to the updated files. If the computer that is used to update the K3 is also on the Internet, then the process is very simple - the program automatically looks in the right place on the 'net. If not, you have to copy the files from the 'net -- or wherever else they may be found -- to the computer that will be used to update the K3. The *current* version of the update application requires Windows XP with .NET 2.0. This has been the standard distribution of Windows since 2001, and is still an available distribution. .NET 2.0 is available for free from Microsoft via their website and is already loaded on a very large percentage of Windows XP computers already. This was the most expedient way to get the update application written and deployed to the development team and field testers. Support is planned for other Windows versions, as well as other OSes, but right now the engineering effort is going into making the K3 better. However, I doubt there will ever be a version for my Acorn RISC PC running RISCOS 3.70... 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
Hi Lyle, The *current* version of the update application requires Windows XP with .NET 2.0. This has been the standard distribution of Windows since This sounds good. Mono, a .Net implementation, runs under Linux and MAC OS-X among others. Porting from the Microsoft framework should be fairly easy, I would think. However, I doubt there will ever be a version for my Acorn RISC PC running RISCOS 3.70... Ah an Acorn fan... They were/are fun machines. vy 73 de toby -- DD5FZ, 4N6FZ (ex dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) K2 #885, K2/100 #3248 K3/100 #??? ( #200) DOK C12, BCC, DL-QRP-AG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
Correction - elegant not elegent. ;-) And not elegant in the manner of the .NET Framework which is typical MS bloat, but with respect to VB or C# code which is clear and concise. That's why it should be a very good port.!! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
Bob, you have made a very good point. There are a great many folks out there with older machines. Many are still using dial-up internet access. Using the .NET framework for a relatively simple application like this would be superfluous. Downloading the .NET framework would be a major problem for many. A small executable that can be quickly and easily downloaded is key. -David, W4SMT --- Robert Tellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My internet connection is on my main computer in my workroom in the house, and my K2 (to be a K3 eventually) is in my station out in the garage, connected to an older DOS computer running TRLOG. Are the update files small enough to be copied to a floppy disk and moved to the DOS computer? Is any specific program needed to download the new data into the K3? Is it Windows specific? It sounds like I may need to bring the K3 into the house to download upgrades whenever they are needed. Thanks and 73 Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: J. Edward (Ed) Muns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'J F' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Elecraft Discussion List' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:50 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload I have to say it sounds like the daily, more or less, firmware uploads execute flawlessly. Haven't seen a negative word on the subject... It does work smoothly and effortlessly. When I see a new MCU or DSP firmware file on the share (or, the firmware team announces such), I download to the K3 with a couple clicks and 2-3 minutes of time. I'm wondering what the process involves. Is it similar to say the Ten Tec Pegasus or AmQRP micro908 uploads? It is most similar to the Windows Update mechanism. It uses the same RS232 cable connecting your K3 to your PC for rig control. Would it require a direct connection to the web or could you download the upgrade (like N1MM) and install it via any computer connected to the rig? The PC interfaces to the K3 also needs an Internet connection. The K3 Field Test shared server is live all the time and updates the local K3 folder on your PC when any files are added to the share, e.g., new firmware, documentation, etc. You open the K3 Firmware Loader application (or, leave it open) and it shows you what revision firmware in currently installed in your K3 vs. what the latest version is available on the server. If you want to download, simply click the 'Download' button, wait 2-3 minutes and that's it. Future versions might work differently, e.g., even more automated like Windows Update, if you prefer, or more traditional methods for those without Internet connections, e.g., CD-ROM from the factory. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware upload
My internet connection is on my main computer in my workroom in the house, and my K2 (to be a K3 eventually) is in my station out in the garage, connected to an older DOS computer running TRLOG. Are the update files small enough to be copied to a floppy disk and moved to the DOS computer? Is any specific program needed to download the new data into the K3? Is it Windows specific? All of this has been discussed and additional alternatives are being considered for cases like yours where (1) a non-Windows CPU, and/or (2) no Internet connection is (are) available at the K3. It sounds like I may need to bring the K3 into the house to download upgrades whenever they are needed. That's certainly an alternative, but there may be better solutions available for you. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
