Re: [Elecraft] K3: band switch question
Brian, Yes - the M1-M4 memories are 'per band', so they only apply to the band you are currently on. 73, Don W3FPR Brian Machesney wrote: Wayne, You wrote, What I do is set up the per-band quick memories for different modes and starting points on each band. In the case of 80 m, tapping MV / M1 gets me to CW mode at 3540, M2 is LSB at 3900, M3 is AM-SYNC at 3870, and M4 is PSK31 at 3580. Does one have to already be somewhere in the 80m band for this approach to work? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 band switch clutter
John, That behavior will be corrected, I know it is on the list. I recall that there has been discussion about just where inside the ham band the band button will place the K3 - i.e. if you tune out of the band at the bottom end, return to the lowest frequency in the band? if you tune out the top of the ham band, then do you return to the top of the band? Or should it return someplace else - everyone will of course have their favorite answer on this one. Until it is settled and is coded into firmware, Direct Frequency Entry will get you back into the ham band. If you have set up a memory for the ham band in question, a tap of the MV button will do it - both these solutions are easier than twisting the VFO knob until it is back in the ham band. 73, Don W3FPR John H Gibson wrote: Question for the list: On my K3 (SN 820) I have noticed that if I tune to frequencies between the ham bands (e.g. WWV frequencies), these frequencies then show up when I step the band switch up and down. Is there a way to delete this out-of-the-ham-band clutter from the band switch's operation? My K3 still has the version 1.78 control firmware that it came with. 73, John, no8v ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 band switch clutter
Don, Thank you for your excellent advice (as always). I am aware of the other methods of jumping to the ham bands, i.e. direct frequency entry and setting up memory pushbuttons. I merely wanted to know what I could do about the band switch itself, and you gave me a satisfactory answer to my question. Best Regards and 73, John, no8v Original message Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 13:57:49 -0400 From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 band switch clutter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net John, That behavior will be corrected, I know it is on the list. I recall that there has been discussion about just where inside the ham band the band button will place the K3 - i.e. if you tune out of the band at the bottom end, return to the lowest frequency in the band? if you tune out the top of the ham band, then do you return to the top of the band? Or should it return someplace else - everyone will of course have their favorite answer on this one. Until it is settled and is coded into firmware, Direct Frequency Entry will get you back into the ham band. If you have set up a memory for the ham band in question, a tap of the MV button will do it - both these solutions are easier than twisting the VFO knob until it is back in the ham band. 73, Don W3FPR John H Gibson wrote: Question for the list: On my K3 (SN 820) I have noticed that if I tune to frequencies between the ham bands (e.g. WWV frequencies), these frequencies then show up when I step the band switch up and down. Is there a way to delete this out-of-the-ham-band clutter from the band switch's operation? My K3 still has the version 1.78 control firmware that it came with. 73, John, no8v ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
Thomas Norff wrote: IMHO it would be neat to have a 'dynamic' tuning rate. If the system would monitor your 'speed' while turning the knob it would be possible to increase the speed I was surprised that even the K2 didn't do it. The Sangean 803A (and other brandings of the same hardware), a consumer SWL receiver with SSB capability, does it and it has been common in mouse and trackball drivers for three or so decades. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
n4lq wrote: Nowadays a lot of hams have amplifiers, tuners and rotary beams that follow the bandswitching. Imagine what happens to all those relays and motors when quickly scrolling through each band. The K2 (current firmware) defers any internal relay switching until about 0.5 seconds after the last band switch press. If the K3 doesn't already do it, couldn't it defer sending any signals that would normally cause external switching in the same way? -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
David Woolley wrote: n4lq wrote: Nowadays a lot of hams have amplifiers, tuners and rotary beams that follow the bandswitching. Imagine what happens to all those relays and motors when quickly scrolling through each band. The K2 (current firmware) defers any internal relay switching until about 0.5 seconds after the last band switch press. If the K3 doesn't already do it, couldn't it defer sending any signals that would normally cause external switching in the same way? The K3 DOES do this. I use a KRC2 to control antenna relays and they do not start to clack until I stop pushing the band button. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
I originally suggested the [VFO dial + HOLD COARSE] combination to do the 1 MHz stepping because I thought it might be easy to do with just one hand. Not having a K3 in front of me yet, I don't know if that is so. Anyhow, in general I prefer knob turning to button pushing, given a choice (analog vs digital, so to speak...) Ok, what success do you expect in hitting 10.101... Say you're on 6.035: You hold COARSE while turning the VFO; the display changes to 7.035, then 8.035, then 9.035, then 10.035 (about half a turn in all, at the 5 MHZ/turn rate); you then let up on the COARSE button and tune the VFO normally to 10.101 where, having entered the 30m band limits, your settings for this band are restored. The Band+ and Band- are fine for ham band switching. But for general coverage navigation a real band switch, as above, would be preferable. Now, you have complained about having to button-push through every intermediate band to get to a desired ham band. Could this be alleviated somewhat using the VFO knob as a ham band only switch? Say, by holding the FINE button you could step through the ham bands using the VFO knob, perhaps more conveniently than PUSH PUSH PUSH..., In other words, map the ham bands to VFO knob rotation while the FINE button is being held. Anyhow, these are just suggestions, not necessarily feature requests. My only request is to get my K3 (few more weeks!) 73, Drew AF2Z On Wed, 07 May 2008 21:01:15 +, Brian/K3KO wrote: Augie, And what success do you expect in hitting 10.101 or 18.068? Unfortunately the ham bands don't all start with .000 lower limits. What is really needed is one button press to get to the band you want. Two to six button presses alone or in combo with knob twisting simply isn't acceptable. Standing on your head while twisting a knob behind one's back isn't either. 73 de Brian/K3KO Augie Hansen wrote: ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Now, you have complained about having to button-push through every intermediate band to get to a desired ham band. Could this be alleviated somewhat using the VFO knob as a ham band only switch? Say, by holding the FINE button you could step through the ham bands using the VFO knob, perhaps more conveniently than PUSH PUSH PUSH..., In other words, map the ham bands to VFO knob rotation while the FINE button is being held. The same button is used for FINE (tap) and COARSE (hold), therefore you can't hold FINE. 73, Gus Hansen KB0YH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
Ron, Warning: RANT ON -- Before we get more confused with terminology, it is not a stacking memory if you can retrieve from any slot in the memory - that is random access. A stack can only be loaded/unloaded from one end (usually referred to as the top) and one must sequentially remove entries until the one wanted is present. The K3 regular band switch is more akin to a stack, but not quite since it wraps around and one can move in either direction. I don't care what other manufacturers and hams have called things, but many have certainly strayed far away from what they are supposed to mean. For instance, what is commonly referred to as a 'zepp' antenna is nothing like the original, the G5RV has been quite mutilated, and L.B. Cebik (sadly now SK) had long been an advocate for striking the word 'counterpoise' from the ham language because it has become so misused that we now have a term for something that has no clear definition of what it is, so we always have to ask for details. Please, let's not start this with memory naming - the programming field has long had meaningful definitions for such things and they make sense - it would be nice to keep it that way. RANT OFF 73, Don W3FPR Ron Durie wrote: I have programmed the keypad as band switches and programmed M1-M4 on each band. I have also programmed frequencies into my memory locations. This works well but takes some getting used to. Maybe I should think of it not as a Band Switch but as a frequency Stacking register. Any frequency can be put into any stacked position. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
Err, that ones sorta correct in my head, since the E ad M patterns are the same as a centerfed dipole. Seaparate the electrical characteristics from the physical. 73, doug From: Stewart Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:59:39 +0100 How about the End Fed Dipole :-)) 73 Stewart G3RXQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
How about the End Fed Dipole :-)) 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 07 May 2008 10:51:42 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote: Ron, Warning: RANT ON -- Before we get more confused with terminology, it is not a stacking memory if you can retrieve from any slot in the memory - that is random access. A stack can only be loaded/unloaded from one end (usually referred to as the top) and one must sequentially remove entries until the one wanted is present. The K3 regular band switch is more akin to a stack, but not quite since it wraps around and one can move in either direction. I don't care what other manufacturers and hams have called things, but many have certainly strayed far away from what they are supposed to mean. For instance, what is commonly referred to as a 'zepp' antenna is nothing like the original, the G5RV has been quite mutilated, and L.B. Cebik (sadly now SK) had long been an advocate for striking the word 'counterpoise' from the ham language because it has become so misused that we now have a term for something that has no clear definition of what it is, so we always have to ask for details. Please, let's not start this with memory naming - the programming field has long had meaningful definitions for such things and they make sense - it would be nice to keep it that way. RANT OFF 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
That's allowed :-) 73, Geoff GM4ESD Stewart Baker wrote on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:59 PM How about the End Fed Dipole :-)) 73 Stewart G3RXQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
I know, but it goes against the grain (gain) Sic... 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 7 May 2008 11:18:59 -0400 (EDT), Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 wrote: Err, that ones sorta correct in my head, since the E ad M patterns are the same as a centerfed dipole. Seaparate the electrical characteristics from the physical. 73, doug From: Stewart Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:59:39 +0100 How about the End Fed Dipole :-)) 73 Stewart G3RXQ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
I believe that would be called a circular queue. 73, Dave KQ3T Don Wilhelm wrote: ... A stack can only be loaded/unloaded from one end (usually referred to as the top) and one must sequentially remove entries until the one wanted is present. The K3 regular band switch is more akin to a stack, but not quite since it wraps around and one can move in either direction. ... 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
On Wed, 07 May 2008 10:51:42 -0400, Don W3FPR wrote: Ron, A stack can only be loaded/unloaded from one end (usually referred to as the top) and one must sequentially remove entries until the one wanted is present. The K3 regular band switch is more akin to a stack, but not quite since it wraps around and one can move in either direction. I miss FORTH [sigh]... But back to radios... I wonder if it would be useful to implement a Very-Coarse tuning rate, say 5 MHz per full turn of the VFO knob. That would be your band switch. With such a rate you could quickly get to any band, ham or SWL or whatever. However, if you should select a ham band with this coarse tune VFO, it would automatically recall your previous settings for that band (same as the Band buttons work) It could be accessed by holding Coarse while turning the VFO knob. Perhaps this could be managed with one hand? [OK, I don't have a K3 and haven't read much of the manual, so probably shouldn't be making comments at all. The above is just a suggestion. If it isn't a useful one just ignore it; I'm not really looking for any feedback on it.] 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
I wonder if it would be useful to implement a Very-Coarse tuning rate, say 5 MHz per full turn of the VFO knob. This idea sounds appealing to me, Drew. A lot less to remember than when using memory access, etc. I get the feeling that Elecraft is rethinking the whole bandswitching matter, and rightfully so. To me, at least, the present situation is rather confusing. I hope they will consider your idea. 73 ... Craig AC0DS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
At 5/7/2008 02:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But back to radios... I wonder if it would be useful to implement a Very-Coarse tuning rate, say 5 MHz per full turn of the VFO knob. That would be your band switch. There is a coarse tuning knob. Maybe not 5MHz, but it might be 1 or 2. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
I would suggest a 1 MHz step, along the lines used in the old Collins 51J series of receivers. They tuned 1 MHz segments, so had to step up to the next 1 MHz segment. A 1 MHz step would touch every hamband directly, while 5 MHz would miss all of them. 73, Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: Craig D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch I wonder if it would be useful to implement a Very-Coarse tuning rate, say 5 MHz per full turn of the VFO knob. This idea sounds appealing to me, Drew. A lot less to remember than when using memory access, etc. I get the feeling that Elecraft is rethinking the whole bandswitching matter, and rightfully so. To me, at least, the present situation is rather confusing. I hope they will consider your idea. 73 ... Craig AC0DS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
Craig, I am not certain why you believe the current bandswitching method is confusing - unless you are trying to follow the several suggestions for changing the band selection. I find the BAND up/down switch similar to the old rotary bandswitches. You go one way (usually clockwise) to go to a higher band and the other way to go to a lower band. And you had to do it one switch detent at a time, there was no hopping from one band direct to another unless they were adjacent. One can easily count finger taps on the band button just as easily as counting rotary switch detent positions - one just has to remember how many bands apart the present one is from the desired one. Just my opinion. 73, Don W3FPR Craig D. Smith wrote: To me, at least, the present situation is rather confusing. I hope they will consider your idea. 73 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
On Wed, 07 May 2008 12:49:16 -0700, Bob N6WG wrote: I would suggest a 1 MHz step, along the lines used in the old Collins 51J series of receivers. They tuned 1 MHz segments, so had to step up to the next 1 MHz segment. A 1 MHz step would touch every hamband directly, while 5 MHz would miss all of them. 73, Bob N6WG No, I meant a tuning rate of 5 MHz per full turn of the VFO knob... but it WOULD increment the frequency readout in 1 MHz steps, as you suggest. 5 MHz per one full turn would, for instance, let you go from 7.0xx MHz to 15.1xx MHz in about one and a half turns of the VFO knob, acting more like a band switch than a VFO. Perhaps 10 MHz per turn would be even better. The current Coarse Tune rate (1 or 2 MHz?) is not coarse enough to act as a band switch. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... No, I meant a tuning rate of 5 MHz per full turn of the VFO knob... but it WOULD increment the frequency readout in 1 MHz steps, as you suggest. 5 MHz per one full turn would, for instance, let you go from 7.0xx MHz to 15.1xx MHz in about one and a half turns of the VFO knob, acting more like a band switch than a VFO. Perhaps 10 MHz per turn would be even better. The current Coarse Tune rate (1 or 2 MHz?) is not coarse enough to act as a band switch. Instead of tuning knob rotation, how about press and hold COARSE while tapping the ^ or v BAND buttons to move by 1 MHz increments? These combinations are currently not used and this technique would be more in keeping with the way many modern rigs use their up/down buttons. Then the stepping rate is determined by how fast you tap. Gus Hansen KB0YH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
Well statedSoLet's go back to the rotary bandswitch. It was faster to change bands than bumping this button half dozen times. Nowadays a lot of hams have amplifiers, tuners and rotary beams that follow the bandswitching. Imagine what happens to all those relays and motors when quickly scrolling through each band. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch Craig, I am not certain why you believe the current bandswitching method is confusing - unless you are trying to follow the several suggestions for changing the band selection. I find the BAND up/down switch similar to the old rotary bandswitches. You go one way (usually clockwise) to go to a higher band and the other way to go to a lower band. And you had to do it one switch detent at a time, there was no hopping from one band direct to another unless they were adjacent. One can easily count finger taps on the band button just as easily as counting rotary switch detent positions - one just has to remember how many bands apart the present one is from the desired one. Just my opinion. 73, Don W3FPR Craig D. Smith wrote: To me, at least, the present situation is rather confusing. I hope they will consider your idea. 73 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1419 - Release Date: 5/7/2008 7:46 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
Augie, And what success do you expect in hitting 10.101 or 18.068? Unfortunately the ham bands don't all start with .000 lower limits. What is really needed is one button press to get to the band you want. Two to six button presses alone or in combo with knob twisting simply isn't acceptable. Standing on your head while twisting a knob behind one's back isn't either. 73 de Brian/K3KO Augie Hansen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... No, I meant a tuning rate of 5 MHz per full turn of the VFO knob... but it WOULD increment the frequency readout in 1 MHz steps, as you suggest. 5 MHz per one full turn would, for instance, let you go from 7.0xx MHz to 15.1xx MHz in about one and a half turns of the VFO knob, acting more like a band switch than a VFO. Perhaps 10 MHz per turn would be even better. The current Coarse Tune rate (1 or 2 MHz?) is not coarse enough to act as a band switch. Instead of tuning knob rotation, how about press and hold COARSE while tapping the ^ or v BAND buttons to move by 1 MHz increments? These combinations are currently not used and this technique would be more in keeping with the way many modern rigs use their up/down buttons. Then the stepping rate is determined by how fast you tap. Gus Hansen KB0YH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
Fix the problem with ham bands disappearing when tuning to frequencies outside the ham bands as suggested by Wayne (the virtual SWL band) earlier today and there will be nothing confusing about the band button. Lots of other radios do it this way. Knut - AB2TC K3 #82 K3KO wrote: Augie, And what success do you expect in hitting 10.101 or 18.068? Unfortunately the ham bands don't all start with .000 lower limits. What is really needed is one button press to get to the band you want. Two to six button presses alone or in combo with knob twisting simply isn't acceptable. Standing on your head while twisting a knob behind one's back isn't either. 73 de Brian/K3KO (snip) -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Band-switch-tp17106389p17114778.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch action
I second that. That would be a nice addition to the menu system. Knut - AB2TC K3 #82 Ken Kopp-3 wrote: At least it -does- step both directions. Not all do. (:-)) The only improvement I'd ask for is to be able to bypass unused bands in the stepping process. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Band-switch-tp17106389p17115044.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
HI Brian, And what success do you expect in hitting 10.101 or 18.068? None. Unfortunately the ham bands don't all start with .000 lower limits. We're addressing two different issues. I'm responding to the original statement about achieving 1 MHz steps as in general coverage. For example, my Icom 765 has UP and DOWN buttons that step up and down by 1 MHz from the frequency being displayed. Hence UP from 7.050 MHz brings you to 8.050 MHz, not 8.000 MHz. If you happen to land within a ham band, so be it. What is really needed is one button press to get to the band you want. Agreed. Direct band selection is a must-have feature. I and many others requested this item way back when the discussions about what features an improved K2 should have first began. ... Standing on your head while twisting a knob behind one's back isn't either. Your concept of operating position is radically different from mine! I usually sit in a chair facing my radio. Cheers, Gus Hansen ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
IMHO it would be neat to have a 'dynamic' tuning rate. You start with what you selected by the existing buttons (fine/course/rate...). If the system would monitor your 'speed' while turning the knob it would be possible to increase the speed if you keep turning (how much to ramp up ... TBD). This way the system would react to your 'wishes'. After a defined inactivity time the system will fallback to the manually selected value. That's it (sorry Wayne... ) 73 Thomas, DM7TN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:20 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch On Wed, 07 May 2008 10:51:42 -0400, Don W3FPR wrote: Ron, A stack can only be loaded/unloaded from one end (usually referred to as the top) and one must sequentially remove entries until the one wanted is present. The K3 regular band switch is more akin to a stack, but not quite since it wraps around and one can move in either direction. I miss FORTH [sigh]... But back to radios... I wonder if it would be useful to implement a Very-Coarse tuning rate, say 5 MHz per full turn of the VFO knob. That would be your band switch. With such a rate you could quickly get to any band, ham or SWL or whatever. However, if you should select a ham band with this coarse tune VFO, it would automatically recall your previous settings for that band (same as the Band buttons work) It could be accessed by holding Coarse while turning the VFO knob. Perhaps this could be managed with one hand? [OK, I don't have a K3 and haven't read much of the manual, so probably shouldn't be making comments at all. The above is just a suggestion. If it isn't a useful one just ignore it; I'm not really looking for any feedback on it.] 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band switch
Each to his own - I have a Yaesu FT-847 with the 'shuttle' ring which does dynamic tuning similar to that, and I hate it. By the time I get it near the frequency I want, it scoots off to somewhere well beyond the mark. I just can't get the 'feel' for that rapid tuning (yes, it does tune slowly near the center and quite rapidly at the extremes, but I just can't seem to get my hand and brain coordinated to make it work decently. Your mileage may vary. 73, Don W3FPR Thomas Norff wrote: IMHO it would be neat to have a 'dynamic' tuning rate. You start with what you selected by the existing buttons (fine/course/rate...). If the system would monitor your 'speed' while turning the knob it would be possible to increase the speed if you keep turning (how much to ramp up ... TBD). ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
