Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Hi OM or YL, Since you have never given your call or name (or did I miss it in once of your posts?) we have no idea who is the person using "The Smiths" email address. I guess all we know is that since you used Euros to purchase your K3 sub-receiver, you are probably in Europe. As far as this ongoing thread of the "K3 auto spot function", I completely agree with your logic and the need for such a function. Having a single button to properly center the receive signal of a calling station (without changing the TX frequency) would be great. It would be a very efficient way of optimizing the incoming audio tone to the proper frequency for the user to quickly reduce the K3's filter bandwith. I work CW contests and usually start off using a relatively wide, 500 Hz CW bandwidth. This is done because, as has been noted, many stations will call off frequency. When a weak one calls off frequency, but is still in the passband of the wider filter, having the described feature would allow users to quickly narrow the Width control to optimize the SNR. If not properly centered in the passband, the signal can disappear when the bandwidth is reduced, until the VFO or RIT is manually tuned. I believe that adding this autotune RIT option to the CONFIG: menu would be helpful to us who need to quickly dig into the noise for weak, off frequency stations that answer our CQs. The default could have this option off for those not needing to use it. So, the ball is in the court of Elecraft's great software designers to either accept and implement the suggestion or reject it. The topic has been thoroughly discussed. What say Elecraft? Yea? Nay? 73, Rich - K1HTV Cwops #198 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function [END of thread]
Guys - As Lyle noted, we've noted the request. Let's end the thread for now. No need to beat it to death arguing about it. :-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ List Moderator __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Pardon the interruption, but while watching this interesting thread as a ex Product Development Manager with a engineering/operations background, I have a little itty bitty, teensy weensy question on your proposed use case scenario: |If I hear someone that is answering my CQ, but is off by 300 Hz from my "pitch" freq. then I can simply turn on |the RIT (or already start with it on) and hit the SPOT button.. NOW, this gives me the ability to QUICKLY turn |the WIDTH knob all the way down to 50 Hz KNOWING that the person answering my call is right in the center of my |Passband, and I'm not going to loose him as I narrow down. How does the radio choose the specific pitch to center up when there is more than one caller within your passband? Frequency? Level? Random? Do you expect the product to *choose the one specific station* that your mind chooses to "match pitch" to without a telepathy subroutine, or will you always be happy with the radio's choice? If not, then how do you tell the radio to center that *one specific caller* at that *one specific tone frequency* that you want? In the existing GUI, the functionality to cover this decision point is "twist the RIT knob". How do you propose to modify the GUI functionality to do what you want and get consistent results? Not being flippant, but I just wonder, from a product functionality development angle, if you have considered all the use cases scenarios for the requested feature. While I agree that, on the surface, the feature has merit on paper, the "real world" often brings "unexpected results" to perfectly viable use cases. I used to be in Automation. Funny thing about Automation... It always worked flawlessly. It only broke when it was given wrong or incomplete information by its users who assumed it would think for them. Lu Romero W4LT "Product Management is not a job for the faint of heart" ...Jim Layton, Harris Broadcast No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.1.0.25 - 6.14440). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function (END OF THREAD)
Thank you Lyle. Glad to know that it was noted. END OF THREAD. > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:14:18 -0800 > From: k...@wavecable.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > We've noted the request for this function and put it on the customer > suggested features list for future consideration. > > Back to your regular programming... > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
We've noted the request for this function and put it on the customer suggested features list for future consideration. Back to your regular programming... 73, Lyle KK7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Yes, Brendan, you DO understand what I'm asking for. And YES, your approach WILL work, but it adds MANY more steps in that are not required and causes me to loose a 750 Euro sub receiver that I've paid for. With that said, I will address the other issues. I don't need to test this function, I already know that it works, and it's what I want. Therefore I suggested it. Others are of course welcome to test it as well. I'm sure they will see the usefulness of it if they find themselves using the RIT on a normal occasion. There's a reason that we all set the PITCH freq. up the way we do. That reason is because we've found that our selected Pitch tones helps us "hear" the code better, Makes listening to code more pleasent, and it can some times actually help eliminate the noise floor some. Yes, a signal must be within the passband of the Filter.. this is true. However, after I send a CQ, I generally keep my filter at 500Hz. If I hear someone that is answering my CQ, but is off by 300 Hz from my "pitch" freq. then I can simply turn on the RIT (or already start with it on) and hit the SPOT button.. NOW, this gives me the ability to QUICKLY turn the WIDTH knob all the way down to 50 Hz KNOWING that the person answering my call is right in the center of my Passband, and I'm not going to loose him as I narrow down. This is a QUICK and easy operation at pin pointing someone almost instantly. I simply push ONE button, grab the width knob and turn it all the way down... BANG it's done. No fishing around to try and line the little CWT tone into the center of the goal post, no moving the shift around to find the signal as I lower the Passband WIDTH control knob, No having to guess if the tone of my Pitch matches the tone as I fish the RIT knob around. Maybe I'm tone deth and I can't hear when I'm at 500Hz and the person is at the center of my Passband. Maybe I don't have time to fiddle with the knob as he's responding to my CQ. NONE OF THAT.. It's a ONE step operation to assuring all of that.. As well as; 1 - Have the person in the Pitch Tone that A. Gives my ears the best copy of the code B. Gives me the best noise floor level with the NR I may be using 2 - Places the person answering me DIRECTLY in the CENTER of the passband so that I can A. turn on my narrowest filter and not have to touch the Shit control B. have the best/ most accurate internal CW Text decoding available to me. C. Know that I'm still transmitting exactly where I was to begin with when sending the CQ. 3 - Not hang up my sub receiver from being useable for cross band, or in-band monitoring 4 - Not make me turn on and off the CWT Text reader to figure out where I'm transmitting when in split mode. Now, I've just given you 9 reasons that ONE push of ONE button can be helpful. Please, tell me, How does having the SPOT button move your RIT control automatically to accomplish ALL of those things interfere with your normal operations of the K3? Again, KEEP IT IN THE DEFAULT "OFF" POSITION IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR RIT TO MOVE WITH THE SPOT BUTTON. There is absolutely NO adverse effect of this VERY SIMPLE programing request. What more do you need to argue against it? Just because the first cars had "forward motion" doesn't mean that it couldn't also opperate in Reverse too. The same reasoning says that just because the K3 Spot button only moves your TX position now, doesn't mean that it can't also move your RIT position as well. Now, I ask you Brendan, Have you missed something in the Logic here? > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:01:04 + > > I DO understand exactly what you are asking for and WHY doing it in > split on the second VFO for TX is not exactly what you are looking for. > > The best I can do is a macro that uses the Sub RX to achieve a similar > result. > Yes it means that you can't use your Sub for other things BUT it does > allow you and others to test the Idea of spotting the RX separate from > TX to see if it is in fact a useful feature. > > The macro can't turn off CW-T mode, It MUST be on for auto spot to work. > CW decoding CAN be off when in CW-T mode. > CW-T mode MUST remain on whilst the Auto spot is attempting to zero > beat, the amount of time to zero beat varies, Turning it off in the > Macro does not give it time to complete the signal detection and tuning > routine before the macro turns off CW-T > > Here is why I, even after trying it out, I think this feature request > has no merit, My personal opinion. > > For auto-spot to work on any signal it must be within t
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
s VERY SIMPLE > programing request. > > What more do you need to argue against it? > > Just because the first cars had "forward motion" doesn't mean that it > couldn't also opperate in Reverse too. The same reasoning says that > just because the K3 Spot button only moves your TX position now, > doesn't mean that it can't also move your RIT position as well. > > Now, I ask you Brendan, Have you missed something in the Logic here? > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:01:04 + > > > > I DO understand exactly what you are asking for and WHY doing it in > > split on the second VFO for TX is not exactly what you are looking > for. > > > > The best I can do is a macro that uses the Sub RX to achieve a > similar > > result. > > Yes it means that you can't use your Sub for other things BUT it > does > > allow you and others to test the Idea of spotting the RX separate > from > > TX to see if it is in fact a useful feature. > > > > The macro can't turn off CW-T mode, It MUST be on for auto spot to > work. > > CW decoding CAN be off when in CW-T mode. > > CW-T mode MUST remain on whilst the Auto spot is attempting to zero > > beat, the amount of time to zero beat varies, Turning it off in the > > Macro does not give it time to complete the signal detection and > tuning > > routine before the macro turns off CW-T > > > > Here is why I, even after trying it out, I think this feature > request > > has no merit, My personal opinion. > > > > For auto-spot to work on any signal it must be within the passband > of > > the selected filter. > > If the signal is within the passband I can hear it, therefore I can > copy > > it, the Pitch of the incoming signal is of no importance to me, > > providing I can hear it. > > I have rit on nearly all the time (but zeroed) If I was using auto > spot > > for it's original purpose then this new suggested behaviour would > break > > an existing behaviour > > > > If I was relying on a CW decoder then it might be important to be > able > > to net the RX independently of the TX. > > If it's something like CWget surely you just click on the waterfall > or > > let it find the signal it's self > > if it's the internal decoder then the macro will work fine since you > > can't see vfo B anyway when decoding on screen > > > > have I missed something in my logic here ? > > > > 73 > > Brendan EI6IZ > > > > > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 21:32 +, The Smiths wrote: > > > What part of I DON'T want to use my sub receiver, or split > operation to accomplish this task didn't you guys understand? I want > my sub receiver FREE so that I can listen to another band hunting for > DX to come along. Furthermore, I can't read my sub receivers freq. > because I have the CWT Text reader running ALL the time. > > > However, I do thank you for all your time that you've invested in > this complicated operation. It doesn't go un-noticed Brendan. > > > > > > > > > It's just more work than a one button push would resolve. It's > just ONE button guys.. ONE button.. I'm only ask that it do the SAME > EXACT thing it does for RIT that it does for XMIT~! It's really not > that hard. Why do I need a formulation like the one below to > accomplish something that "comes close" to what I'm trying to do, but > involves hanging up my sub receiver from being of any use what so > ever It's ONE BUTTON! > > > > > > If you don't like it, DON'T turn the feature on. why is this so > hard for you guys to comprehend. You act as if I'm trying to redesign > the entire operations of how the K3 function. It's FAR from that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Logic is a hard thing to argue with. I can only sit back and laugh > about how hard you guys are fighting this...Trust me, I'm not angry at > all.. Not in the least. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:30:23 + > > > > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > > > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > > > > > > > Here is a macro that d
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
I DO understand exactly what you are asking for and WHY doing it in split on the second VFO for TX is not exactly what you are looking for. The best I can do is a macro that uses the Sub RX to achieve a similar result. Yes it means that you can't use your Sub for other things BUT it does allow you and others to test the Idea of spotting the RX separate from TX to see if it is in fact a useful feature. The macro can't turn off CW-T mode, It MUST be on for auto spot to work. CW decoding CAN be off when in CW-T mode. CW-T mode MUST remain on whilst the Auto spot is attempting to zero beat, the amount of time to zero beat varies, Turning it off in the Macro does not give it time to complete the signal detection and tuning routine before the macro turns off CW-T Here is why I, even after trying it out, I think this feature request has no merit, My personal opinion. For auto-spot to work on any signal it must be within the passband of the selected filter. If the signal is within the passband I can hear it, therefore I can copy it, the Pitch of the incoming signal is of no importance to me, providing I can hear it. I have rit on nearly all the time (but zeroed) If I was using auto spot for it's original purpose then this new suggested behaviour would break an existing behaviour If I was relying on a CW decoder then it might be important to be able to net the RX independently of the TX. If it's something like CWget surely you just click on the waterfall or let it find the signal it's self if it's the internal decoder then the macro will work fine since you can't see vfo B anyway when decoding on screen have I missed something in my logic here ? 73 Brendan EI6IZ On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 21:32 +, The Smiths wrote: > What part of I DON'T want to use my sub receiver, or split operation to > accomplish this task didn't you guys understand? I want my sub receiver FREE > so that I can listen to another band hunting for DX to come along. > Furthermore, I can't read my sub receivers freq. because I have the CWT Text > reader running ALL the time. > However, I do thank you for all your time that you've invested in this > complicated operation. It doesn't go un-noticed Brendan. > > > It's just more work than a one button push would resolve. It's just ONE > button guys.. ONE button.. I'm only ask that it do the SAME EXACT thing it > does for RIT that it does for XMIT~! It's really not that hard. Why do I > need a formulation like the one below to accomplish something that "comes > close" to what I'm trying to do, but involves hanging up my sub receiver from > being of any use what so ever It's ONE BUTTON! > > If you don't like it, DON'T turn the feature on. why is this so hard for you > guys to comprehend. You act as if I'm trying to redesign the entire > operations of how the K3 function. It's FAR from that. > > > > Logic is a hard thing to argue with. I can only sit back and laugh about how > hard you guys are fighting this...Trust me, I'm not angry at all.. Not in the > least. > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:30:23 + > > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > > > Here is a macro that does most of what you are asking for (no it doesn't > > use rit it uses the Sub RX) > > > > it makes a few assumptions > > > > 1/ that you are already in CW-T mode, you would need to be in this mode > > to use auto spot anyway > > 2/ that it's ok to grab VFO B and make it the TX VFO > > > > here's the macro > > FT0;RT0;LN0;DV0;SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;SWT42; > > > > First get to a consistent state > > FT0; transmit VFOA > > RT0; rx vfo A > > LN0; unlink the 2 vfo's > > DV0; Diversity mode off > > > > SWT13; > > SWT13; (twice, copies all parameters to VFOB) > > SWH13; Turns split on > > SWT42; activates Auto Spot > > > > I tried coding in a couple of commands to enable CW-T then disable it > > again when the macro was finished but this didn't work too well as CW-T > > was being disabled before the spot routine had finished > > > > Use the K3 utility to load the macro, then assign it to a shortcut > > button and you have 1 button access to this from the radio. Only use > > one press as further presses will move the txvfo as well. use the normal > > spot button if you need to try again. > > > > I have tried it, it works. there may be a better way to code this macro > > > > I can still see no use whatsoever for th
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
What part of I DON'T want to use my sub receiver, or split operation to accomplish this task didn't you guys understand? I want my sub receiver FREE so that I can listen to another band hunting for DX to come along. Furthermore, I can't read my sub receivers freq. because I have the CWT Text reader running ALL the time. However, I do thank you for all your time that you've invested in this complicated operation. It doesn't go un-noticed Brendan. It's just more work than a one button push would resolve. It's just ONE button guys.. ONE button.. I'm only ask that it do the SAME EXACT thing it does for RIT that it does for XMIT~! It's really not that hard. Why do I need a formulation like the one below to accomplish something that "comes close" to what I'm trying to do, but involves hanging up my sub receiver from being of any use what so ever It's ONE BUTTON! If you don't like it, DON'T turn the feature on. why is this so hard for you guys to comprehend. You act as if I'm trying to redesign the entire operations of how the K3 function. It's FAR from that. Logic is a hard thing to argue with. I can only sit back and laugh about how hard you guys are fighting this...Trust me, I'm not angry at all.. Not in the least. > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:30:23 +0000 > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > Here is a macro that does most of what you are asking for (no it doesn't > use rit it uses the Sub RX) > > it makes a few assumptions > > 1/ that you are already in CW-T mode, you would need to be in this mode > to use auto spot anyway > 2/ that it's ok to grab VFO B and make it the TX VFO > > here's the macro > FT0;RT0;LN0;DV0;SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;SWT42; > > First get to a consistent state > FT0; transmit VFOA > RT0; rx vfo A > LN0; unlink the 2 vfo's > DV0; Diversity mode off > > SWT13; > SWT13; (twice, copies all parameters to VFOB) > SWH13; Turns split on > SWT42; activates Auto Spot > > I tried coding in a couple of commands to enable CW-T then disable it > again when the macro was finished but this didn't work too well as CW-T > was being disabled before the spot routine had finished > > Use the K3 utility to load the macro, then assign it to a shortcut > button and you have 1 button access to this from the radio. Only use > one press as further presses will move the txvfo as well. use the normal > spot button if you need to try again. > > I have tried it, it works. there may be a better way to code this macro > > I can still see no use whatsoever for this 'feature' but that is simply > my Personal opinion. > > 73's > Brendan EI6IZ > > > The Smiths wrote: > > stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a > > feature that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL > > the time, I KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know > > when and how to use my Width control knob. I know when I can use my > > spot button with it. > > > > People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking for > > here. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the same > > thing, when a simple one button push of the spot button will do > > EVERYTHING I'm asking for. > > You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to another > > band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then use the > > spot button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to zero beat the > > signal.. > > > > I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control when > > the RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry about > > how all the rest of the operations of my station function. It's > > really just that simple. > > > > Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder than > > they need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an engineering > > degree, and don't know how to think like the "simple man". > > > > 1. This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the > > clock on her VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it > > with a DVD player. I suspect it will take her another 10 to > > figure the menus out on that one too. > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > > > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > > > CC: Elecraft@mai
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Here is a macro that does most of what you are asking for (no it doesn't use rit it uses the Sub RX) it makes a few assumptions 1/ that you are already in CW-T mode, you would need to be in this mode to use auto spot anyway 2/ that it's ok to grab VFO B and make it the TX VFO here's the macro FT0;RT0;LN0;DV0;SWT13;SWT13;SWH13;SWT42; First get to a consistent state FT0; transmit VFOA RT0; rx vfo A LN0; unlink the 2 vfo's DV0; Diversity mode off SWT13; SWT13; (twice, copies all parameters to VFOB) SWH13; Turns split on SWT42; activates Auto Spot I tried coding in a couple of commands to enable CW-T then disable it again when the macro was finished but this didn't work too well as CW-T was being disabled before the spot routine had finished Use the K3 utility to load the macro, then assign it to a shortcut button and you have 1 button access to this from the radio. Only use one press as further presses will move the txvfo as well. use the normal spot button if you need to try again. I have tried it, it works. there may be a better way to code this macro I can still see no use whatsoever for this 'feature' but that is simply my Personal opinion. 73's Brendan EI6IZ The Smiths wrote: > stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a > feature that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL > the time, I KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know > when and how to use my Width control knob. I know when I can use my > spot button with it. > > People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking for > here. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the same > thing, when a simple one button push of the spot button will do > EVERYTHING I'm asking for. > You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to another > band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then use the > spot button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to zero beat the > signal.. > > I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control when > the RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry about > how all the rest of the operations of my station function. It's > really just that simple. > > Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder than > they need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an engineering > degree, and don't know how to think like the "simple man". > >1. This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the > clock on her VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it > with a DVD player. I suspect it will take her another 10 to > figure the menus out on that one too. > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > > CC: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:48:44 + > > > > But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it cant > > help in this situation in any case. > > Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have nearby > > strong signals > > I don't see how it can help in this siutaton > > > > > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +, The Smiths wrote: > > > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz Narrow > > > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero Beated or > > > they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find with the > > > Shift control. > > > > > > I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a freq. that > > > I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY and > > > without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the > > > selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this as an > > > unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the same > > > reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the same > > > helpful thing with receive??? > > > > > > Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find use for > > > it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was saying in > > > his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the signals to > > > his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This would > > > allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as well. > > > For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal post" > > > indicato
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
The problem is that there are several thousand people who are used to it working the way it does. What if those people like it the way it is and they don't want it to only move their RIT? Now they have an extra menu option. That just not simple you're over complicating it. ;) Leaving it the way it is is the simplest thing to do! So it is said lets remain simple and keep things as they are! Wouldn't wan to over think things! ~BTH On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:33 AM, The Smiths wrote: > Stop brett, again, you're OVER engineering this concept.. Can't you just > stop and use simple logic. Pretend like you're not an engineer. Let's just > look at this with some logic. You turn on the RIT, you hit the spot > button.. it moves the RIT freq ONLY. You turn off the RIT, you push the spot > button and it moves the TX freq. like it does now. DONE.. Now wasn't that > easy? > > Why does it have to work any different? If the spot button doesn't move the > Zero Beat freq. now when CWT is off, why would it do it when the RIT is on? > If the RIT knob doesn't move the XMIT freq unless the XMIT button is pressed > why in heavens would it with my feature? See, logic.. it works EXACTALLY > like it does now, except with the RIT button on. ALL OTHER CONDITIONS ARE > THE SAME AS THEY NEED TO BE, or are NOW. > > This feature is OBVIOUSLY for people that SEND CQ and get answers back, this > is NOT for people that spin the dial answering CQs. When I send a CQ out, > and the guy answering me is 40Hz away, I push my RIT button, then I hit > spot.. He's now Zero "toned" with my Pitch freq. THATS IT! DONE, No more > engineering, no more programing.. NOTHING.. DONE DONE DONE. > > When I want to answer a CQ I turn off the RIT, I find someone on the band, I > push the SPOT button JUST LIKE I ALWAYS DO, and I Zero Beat the person.. > DONE.. THATS IT. > > If this is just too much concept for you to understand than go into the menu > and turn off the feature... DONE.. SIMPLE.. STOP Over thinking it. It > sounds to me like you get paid to design things. Maybe you work in a job > where you HAVE to think of something to make things harder because your boss > wants MORE MORE MORE, he can't just settle with "hey bob, that's just how it > works" Sorry, there's no more to it than that... Sometimes things don't have > to be hard my friend.. They just work, and anyone with simple logic can > figure them out.. that's the beauty of it. > > > >> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function >> From: br...@livecomputers.com >> To: notforc...@hotmail.com >> CC: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:51:31 -0800 >> >> See the problem is going to be in implementation. Do you press RIT then >> CWT to make it CWT via the RIT? Do you have CWT always move the RIT >> only if RIT is enabled? What does it do if XIT is enabled? I guarantee >> you that you have answers to these questions. I also guarantee you that >> there are 100 people just as opinionated as yourself with differing >> views. They can also be just as loud and vehement in their delivery as >> yourself. You want to know why things seem like a good idea when Wayne >> does it? Because he can do it and when he does it its done. It takes >> no further argument, its already done. If you don't think that >> something he's changed has never been followed up with mass discussion >> against it you're mistaken there as well. >> >> Again I take offense in your stating that having an engineering degree >> gets in the way of simple logic. ALL of these methods are simple logic! >> PERIOD. Logic in its very essence is simple. Thus why the logical >> solution is often referred to by the lay as the "common sense" solution. >> Just because it doesn't fit in line with your solution doesn't make it a >> poor choice. >> >> I also don't understand the "mistakes happen" comments that many make >> with regard to the SPLIT allowing them to be off frequency and not know >> it. There is a very obvious yellow light on the front panel that >> indicates this condition. >> >> ~Brett (KC7OTG) >> >> >> On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 09:01 +, The Smiths wrote: >> > Sorry Brett, >> > but your offer to "help me" has a very condescending tone to it. I'm >> > sure you didn't mean it that way so I'll answer your post as if you >> > meant it in a "good" manor way. >> > >> > I have other uses for my sub receiver. I don't choose to lock my two >
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Look at that Bob, someone that gets it.. Plain and simple. You have to watch out though, you're bound to get a person on the reflector that tells you that it's not Zero Beating, it's Zero Toning, or in our case Zero Pitching... Then give you a history of why Zero Beating was a long past skill of Ham radio (which I'm sure it was, as I had to do it too). It's not the concept that they're compelled to argue with, it's the logic Bob. There in lies the problem. > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:29:21 -0700 > From: bob.cunni...@gmail.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > Flex/PowerSDR has long had a feature called "Zero Beat – RIT". When > "on", pressing the "0 Beat" button (like CWT) moves the RIT, not the > tx frequency. I once saw an allusion to it in the context of > contesting, where the op keeps tx fixed on a run freq, but wants to > retain the 0 beat option for callers in some cases. > > Bob NW8L > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:52 PM, The Smiths wrote: > > > > Blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa, yet again, you people can't just let something be > > without over analyzing it. Fine, it's not Zero Beating.. It's Zero > > Noting.. Now that we have that out of the way... > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Operating SPLIT is so simple. I've never used RIT/XIT 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Flex/PowerSDR has long had a feature called "Zero Beat – RIT". When "on", pressing the "0 Beat" button (like CWT) moves the RIT, not the tx frequency. I once saw an allusion to it in the context of contesting, where the op keeps tx fixed on a run freq, but wants to retain the 0 beat option for callers in some cases. Bob NW8L On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:52 PM, The Smiths wrote: > > Blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa, yet again, you people can't just let something be > without over analyzing it. Fine, it's not Zero Beating.. It's Zero Noting.. > Now that we have that out of the way... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
See the problem is going to be in implementation. Do you press RIT then CWT to make it CWT via the RIT? Do you have CWT always move the RIT only if RIT is enabled? What does it do if XIT is enabled? I guarantee you that you have answers to these questions. I also guarantee you that there are 100 people just as opinionated as yourself with differing views. They can also be just as loud and vehement in their delivery as yourself. You want to know why things seem like a good idea when Wayne does it? Because he can do it and when he does it its done. It takes no further argument, its already done. If you don't think that something he's changed has never been followed up with mass discussion against it you're mistaken there as well. Again I take offense in your stating that having an engineering degree gets in the way of simple logic. ALL of these methods are simple logic! PERIOD. Logic in its very essence is simple. Thus why the logical solution is often referred to by the lay as the "common sense" solution. Just because it doesn't fit in line with your solution doesn't make it a poor choice. I also don't understand the "mistakes happen" comments that many make with regard to the SPLIT allowing them to be off frequency and not know it. There is a very obvious yellow light on the front panel that indicates this condition. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 09:01 +, The Smiths wrote: > Sorry Brett, > but your offer to "help me" has a very condescending tone to it. I'm > sure you didn't mean it that way so I'll answer your post as if you > meant it in a "good" manor way. > > I have other uses for my sub receiver. I don't choose to lock my two > VFOs together, which would HAVE to be done in order to accomplish what > you're asking me to do. I have the sub receiver installed in my rig, > and when I hit the Split button the sub is then completely rendered > useless for me to monitor another freq. as I tend to do while waiting > for the DX to show up on another band. > > Secondly, even if I don't choose to monitor a different band with my > sub receiver, and I do use the method you suggested, this would cause > me to have to push the A>B button EVERY time I move freq. to send > another CQ. > To answer your question, when you "SPOT" with the VFO's linked > together and have the split mode on, exactly what you suspected would > happen happens. The Main VFO moves, and the Split mode TX stays the > same. This accomplishes what you wanted me to have, but it also > causes my link to be off by that amount of Hz when moving to the next > spot. > Now I have to visually monitor my TX Freq. and make sure that I'm > not accidentally transmitting on some location I don't know I'm on. > With the RIT control, when you transmit the Main VFO number changes, > and I can clearly see that I'm transmitting somewhere different than > where I'm listening. With the split mode on, accidents could > happen... > Also, because I'm in CW mode, and I have my CWT text reader on, I > can't see what Freq. My transmit is on unless I either turn off the > CWT mode, or move the Sub Receiver knob to see where I'm transmitting. > > This just add too much confusion to a simple process by which I can > hit a single button in RIT mode and achieve the same thing without all > the A>B, Link the VFO's together, Push the split button, then auto > Spot, then remember to reset the A>B again when I move to another > spot 5KCs away to send another CQ. > > Yes, once again, your engineering and Masters degree has gotten in the > way of SIMPLE LOGIC. There's no reason to have to drive in a circle > when you can just put the car in reverse and drive 3 feet > backwards. We don't need to over engineer this thing.. PLEASE, I beg > of you people to just try to take a step backwards and see how simple > logic works. This is what Average people want.. Not some complicated > method to do the same thing as ONE button push. > > Again, if Wayne didn't think of it, the reflector almost ALWAYS > rejects it. It seems that no one but Wayne can come up with a "handy" > feature without this group thinking it's something we don't need. > This is a sad commentary on the group indeed... > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > From: br...@livecomputers.com > > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > > CC: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:31:11 -0800 > > > > Why aren't you willing to give the SPLIT option a try... > > > > Rat
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Why aren't you willing to give the SPLIT option a try... Rather than asking someone to code something up for you when someone gave you a fairly viable option why not try to give that a chance? I think you could probably get very close to what you want. Heck when hearing this I thought it might be interesting to try always being in SPLIT mode with the VFO's linked and then use VFO B as your TX then see what happens when you hit CWT? When the CWT tunes VFO A does it move B too? If it does then perhaps you tune with the VFO's linked then when you enter into a QSO unlink the VFO's and use the CWT feature as you want. You don't have to get RIT involved you can just use your two VFO's. I've not tried it yet but I wonder what locking VFO B and tuning VFO A while they are linked does.. These could be interesting cases that could allow for some interesting things. Perhaps you'll find a bug to submit to Wayne and while he's in that section of code he'll implement your RIT feature? I see your getting agitated about this and your angry with people for not seeing things your way but you need the ability to try the ideas of others and at least try to see things from that side. My opinion on this feature is that when I'm wanting to use RIT I'd rather have custom control over it for each instance as I hear different pitches better in the presence of different types of noise. Therefore I want the ability to just turn a knob and get things to my preference quickly. Not to what my preference was when things were quiet and I set my pitch preference. Finally stating that people who have engineering degrees can't understand others personally offends me. I feel that you are the one having problems understanding as well. The SPLIT suggestion was a valid one (and your comment saying that it involved the subreceiver is also a misunderstanding). The subreceiver is not needed to do SPLIT and its not needed to use the SUB button to link and unlink the VFO's. If you'd like assistance in trying some of these options I'd be glad to run through some of them and see how they perform and then help explain them. I fully understand what you want to do and I might even be able to spend some time and help you get there with out requesting a change of the firmware. I even have 2 of those dad burn engineering degrees! Perhaps the MBA cancels them out? ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 02:42 +, The Smiths wrote: > stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a feature > that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL the time, I > KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know when and how to use > my Width control knob. I know when I can use my spot button with it. > > > > People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking for here. > I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the same thing, when a > simple one button push of the spot button will do EVERYTHING I'm asking for. > > You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to another > band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then use the spot > button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to zero beat the signal.. > > > > I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control when the > RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry about how all > the rest of the operations of my station function. It's really just that > simple. > > > > Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder than they > need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an engineering degree, and > don't know how to think like the "simple man". > > > This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the clock on her > VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it with a DVD player. I > suspect it will take her another 10 to figure the menus out on that one too. > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > > CC: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:48:44 + > > > > But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it cant > > help in this situation in any case. > > Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have nearby > > strong signals > > I don't see how it can help in this siutaton > > > > > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +, The Smiths wrote: > > > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz Narrow > > > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zer
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa, yet again, you people can't just let something be without over analyzing it. Fine, it's not Zero Beating.. It's Zero Noting.. Now that we have that out of the way... Having the Spot button perform a similar operation in the RIT mode as it does in the Xmit mode is NOT all that much to ask for. I'm just asking that it move the RIT position to the Pitch note. Plain and simple.. It puts the other person right in the center of the passband for me automatically and makes life much easier. Yes, I have hands, yes, I have finger, yes I can even turn a knob... but if I can hit a convenient button and have it auto tune the other station to match my Pitch freq. then why not? Why must all of you over analyze, explain away, or argue with such simple logic.. God only knows how Wayne got any of the other features past you people. Had they come from anyone else's suggestions surely you would have knocked them all down. So it seems that unless Wayne came up with this handy little idea himself, none of you will ever accept it. It's clearly obvious what's going on here. > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:53:09 -0800 > From: n...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; notforc...@hotmail.com > > You seem to have the problem of thinking that some beat frequency that you > want to hear is "zero beat" when you have RIT on. "Zero Beat" means that you > and the other station are on the same frequency, which clearly you are not if > you are parking your transmitter and using RIT to get him tuned to your > liking. > > You are not asking for automatic zero beat, you are asking for automatic > tuning to your desired "beat note". Why turning the RIT knob to approximately > center the other station in your receive passband with a comfortable beat > note has to be automated is beyond me. > > Real zero beating used to be an operator skill; you tuned the other guy in on > your receiver, turned on a low level carrier in your transmitter and adjusted > its VFO until the two tones matched, i.e, there was no (zero) beat note > between them. Assuming of course, that you actually had a VFO to tune and you > weren't crystal controlled. > > > --- On Wed, 2/24/10, The Smiths wrote: > > > Why are you trying to come up with a harder way of doing > > the same thing? I know what RIT is, I know how to use > > it. Just let me hit the stupid SPOT button and get > > things Zero Beated... Why do I have to even envolve my Split > > mode, or Sub receiver in this SIMPLE operation! > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:18:42 -1000 > > > From: k...@flex.com > > > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > > > > > You can do that now by using split. Hit split and use > > the > > > CWT to tune to freq, your transmit freq stays put, > > only the > > > receiver is tuned. > > > Merv KH7C > > > > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But > > wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER if you could turn on the RIT, > > then AUTO spot someone with the RIT ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, > > you could VERY EASILY just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It > > wouldn't move your Transmitting Freq, and you would be > > perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to you, without > > having changed your Transmit freq like it does now. > > > > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to > > change. Of course for those that think this is the worst > > idea ever, they could simply leave this feature off > > (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu. > > > > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I > > would love to see it added for people like myself that send > > more CQ's than we answer them... > > > > > _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
You seem to have the problem of thinking that some beat frequency that you want to hear is "zero beat" when you have RIT on. "Zero Beat" means that you and the other station are on the same frequency, which clearly you are not if you are parking your transmitter and using RIT to get him tuned to your liking. You are not asking for automatic zero beat, you are asking for automatic tuning to your desired "beat note". Why turning the RIT knob to approximately center the other station in your receive passband with a comfortable beat note has to be automated is beyond me. Real zero beating used to be an operator skill; you tuned the other guy in on your receiver, turned on a low level carrier in your transmitter and adjusted its VFO until the two tones matched, i.e, there was no (zero) beat note between them. Assuming of course, that you actually had a VFO to tune and you weren't crystal controlled. --- On Wed, 2/24/10, The Smiths wrote: > Why are you trying to come up with a harder way of doing > the same thing? I know what RIT is, I know how to use > it. Just let me hit the stupid SPOT button and get > things Zero Beated... Why do I have to even envolve my Split > mode, or Sub receiver in this SIMPLE operation! > > > > > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:18:42 -1000 > > From: k...@flex.com > > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > > > You can do that now by using split. Hit split and use > the > > CWT to tune to freq, your transmit freq stays put, > only the > > receiver is tuned. > > Merv KH7C > > > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But > wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER if you could turn on the RIT, > then AUTO spot someone with the RIT ONLY. > > > > > > > > > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, > you could VERY EASILY just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It > wouldn't move your Transmitting Freq, and you would be > perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to you, without > having changed your Transmit freq like it does now. > > > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to > change. Of course for those that think this is the worst > idea ever, they could simply leave this feature off > (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu. > > > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I > would love to see it added for people like myself that send > more CQ's than we answer them... > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
stop, STOP, STOP. Please stop trying to tell me why I don't want a feature that I'm asking for! I KNOW how the spot works, I use it ALL the time, I KNOW how my RIT works, I use that all the time... I know when and how to use my Width control knob. I know when I can use my spot button with it. People, it's a freaking Spot and RIT combination that I'm looking for here. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me how I can do the same thing, when a simple one button push of the spot button will do EVERYTHING I'm asking for. You don't need to explain to me how I can tune in a second K3 to another band, listen to a harmonic, then hit my sub receiver on, then use the spot button while turning my 3rd receiver's vfo control to zero beat the signal.. I just want the Spot button to simply work as a Zero beat control when the RIT button is on, WITHOUT moving my Transmit freq. I'll worry about how all the rest of the operations of my station function. It's really just that simple. Some of you guys on the reflector just want to make things harder than they need to be, I have to figure it's because you have an engineering degree, and don't know how to think like the "simple man". This is why my mother took 12 years to figure out how to set the clock on her VCR. Too bad I had to take it away and replace it with a DVD player. I suspect it will take her another 10 to figure the menus out on that one too. > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > CC: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:48:44 + > > But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it cant > help in this situation in any case. > Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have nearby > strong signals > I don't see how it can help in this siutaton > > > On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +, The Smiths wrote: > > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz Narrow > > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero Beated or > > they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find with the > > Shift control. > > > > I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a freq. that > > I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY and > > without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the > > selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this as an > > unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the same > > reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the same > > helpful thing with receive??? > > > > Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find use for > > it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was saying in > > his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the signals to > > his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This would > > allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as well. > > For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal post" > > indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either doesn't > > work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far off. > > > > Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It doesn't > > offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight things > > so hard is just wondrous to me. > > _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
But auto spot can ONLY work on signals inside the passband to it cant help in this situation in any case. Presumably you are using a very narrow filter because you have nearby strong signals I don't see how it can help in this siutaton On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 00:53 +, The Smiths wrote: > I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz Narrow > Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero Beated or > they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find with the > Shift control. > > I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a freq. that > I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY and > without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the > selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this as an > unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the same > reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the same > helpful thing with receive??? > > Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find use for > it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was saying in > his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the signals to > his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This would > allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as well. > For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal post" > indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either doesn't > work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far off. > > Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It doesn't > offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight things > so hard is just wondrous to me. > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:56:19 + > > > > Surely this is an unneeded feature? > > Isn't the point of SPOT to ensure that you are transmitting on the > same > > frequency as the other station. > > Nothing is gained by exactly tuning the station to match your > side-tone > > pitch once rit is engaged. > > If some guy comes back to you a bit off frequency you can just > adjust > > the RIT until the pitch is to your liking. If it's outside the > filter > > bandwidth you may not hear him and auto spot can't work it's magic > > anyway > > > > just my thoughts on this > > > > On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 20:00 +, The Smiths wrote: > > > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN > BETTER > > > if you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT > > > ONLY. > > > > > > > > > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY > EASILY > > > just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your > Transmitting > > > Freq, and you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending > to > > > you, without having changed your Transmit freq like it does now. > > > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course > for > > > those that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply > leave > > > this feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu. > > > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see > it > > > added for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer > > > them... > > > > -- > > 73 > > Brendan EI6IZ > > > > > __ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign > up now. -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
I DISSAGREE with you completely. When you use a 100/50Hz Narrow Bandwidth setting you NEED to have the other station Zero Beated or they fall out of the bandwidth area, or become hard to find with the Shift control. I don't know about you, but I've set my pitch control to a freq. that I enjoy hearing, or is best for my hearing. If I could QUICKLY and without work just tap a button and Zero Beat the person to the selected freq. that I know suites my hearing, I don't see this as an unnecessary feature. The spot button is used for EXACTALLY the same reason, just with Transmit now.. Why not allow it to do the same helpful thing with receive??? Again, as I've said before, Don't turn it on if you don't find use for it. Yes, RIT works too, but just as the other person was saying in his original post, HE IS TONE DETH and can't tune in the signals to his pitch freq... that's why he uses the SPOT feature. This would allow him to have the same simple control with the RIT as well. For those of you that will argue that we have the CWT "goal post" indicator, I say this, I've found many times where it either doesn't work well, or it indicates a Zero beat when you are pretty far off. Again, this is an OPTION that can be used to HELP people. It doesn't offer ANY negative operations to your radio. Why people fight things so hard is just wondrous to me. > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > From: ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:56:19 + > > Surely this is an unneeded feature? > Isn't the point of SPOT to ensure that you are transmitting on the same > frequency as the other station. > Nothing is gained by exactly tuning the station to match your side-tone > pitch once rit is engaged. > If some guy comes back to you a bit off frequency you can just adjust > the RIT until the pitch is to your liking. If it's outside the filter > bandwidth you may not hear him and auto spot can't work it's magic > anyway > > just my thoughts on this > > On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 20:00 +, The Smiths wrote: > > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER > > if you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT > > ONLY. > > > > > > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY EASILY > > just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your Transmitting > > Freq, and you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to > > you, without having changed your Transmit freq like it does now. > > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course for > > those that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply leave > > this feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu. > > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see it > > added for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer > > them... > > -- > 73 > Brendan EI6IZ > _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Why are you trying to come up with a harder way of doing the same thing? I know what RIT is, I know how to use it. Just let me hit the stupid SPOT button and get things Zero Beated... Why do I have to even envolve my Split mode, or Sub receiver in this SIMPLE operation! > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:18:42 -1000 > From: k...@flex.com > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > You can do that now by using split. Hit split and use the > CWT to tune to freq, your transmit freq stays put, only the > receiver is tuned. > Merv KH7C > > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER if > > you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT ONLY. > > > > > > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY EASILY just > > turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your Transmitting Freq, and > > you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to you, without > > having changed your Transmit freq like it does now. > > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course for those > > that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply leave this > > feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu. > > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see it added > > for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer them... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
You can do that now by using split. Hit split and use the CWT to tune to freq, your transmit freq stays put, only the receiver is tuned. Merv KH7C > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER if you > could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT ONLY. > > > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY EASILY just > turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your Transmitting Freq, and > you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to you, without having > changed your Transmit freq like it does now. > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course for those > that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply leave this feature > off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu. > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see it added > for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer them... > > > > > > > > > > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Surely this is an unneeded feature? Isn't the point of SPOT to ensure that you are transmitting on the same frequency as the other station. Nothing is gained by exactly tuning the station to match your side-tone pitch once rit is engaged. If some guy comes back to you a bit off frequency you can just adjust the RIT until the pitch is to your liking. If it's outside the filter bandwidth you may not hear him and auto spot can't work it's magic anyway just my thoughts on this On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 20:00 +, The Smiths wrote: > The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER > if you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT > ONLY. > > > That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY EASILY > just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your Transmitting > Freq, and you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to > you, without having changed your Transmit freq like it does now. > Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course for > those that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply leave > this feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu. > Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see it > added for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer > them... -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
The Auto Spot feature is indeed GREAT! But wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER if you could turn on the RIT, then AUTO spot someone with the RIT ONLY. That way once you sent a CQ, and got an answer, you could VERY EASILY just turn on the RIT and hit SPOT.. It wouldn't move your Transmitting Freq, and you would be perfectly Zero Beat on the person sending to you, without having changed your Transmit freq like it does now. Seems to me that would be a VERY EASY thing to change. Of course for those that think this is the worst idea ever, they could simply leave this feature off (default) in their CONFIG: SPOT options menu. Wayne, don't you think this would be Helpful? I would love to see it added for people like myself that send more CQ's than we answer them... > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:13:38 -0800 > From: k...@comcast.net > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function > > > I consider the CW Auto Spot function one of the best features of the K3. My > tone death ears are worthless for this purpose. I'm sure I pressed the > button over 1000 times this past weekend during the DX contest making over > 900 contacts, all search and pounce. I wonder if anyone knows how to access > Auto Spot from the computer keyboard while running WriteLog. I would like to > be able to press either the mouse wheel or F12 to force an Auto Spot. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/K3-auto-spot-function-tp4625990p4625990.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Mike wrote: I wonder if anyone >> knows how to access Auto Spot from the computer keyboard while >> running WriteLog. Mike I wrote to WriteLog about the inclusion of macros in their logger. They never replied. Maybe if they get more requests they might get "a round toit". Otherwise there is N1MM which I hear has macro capability. 73, Fred, AE6IC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Hi Dick: That's the part that I don't know how to do. I'm hoping someone familiar with WriteLog programming can post a method to accomplish this. 73, Mike K2MK > > Can you cause your logging program to generate the CAT command to simulate > pressing the SPOT button (SWT42;) ? > > See the K3 Programmer's Reference, SWT/SWH Switch Emulation, page 17 or > so. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > >> -Original Message- >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function >> >> I consider the CW Auto Spot function one of the best features of the K3. >> My >> tone death ears are worthless for this purpose. I'm sure I pressed the >> button over 1000 times this past weekend during the DX contest making >> over >> 900 contacts, all search and pounce. I wonder if anyone knows how to >> access >> Auto Spot from the computer keyboard while running WriteLog. I would like >> to >> be able to press either the mouse wheel or F12 to force an Auto Spot. >> >> 73, >> Mike K2MK -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-auto-spot-function-tp4625990p4626339.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function
Can you cause your logging program to generate the CAT command to simulate pressing the SPOT button (SWT42;) ? See the K3 Programmer's Reference, SWT/SWH Switch Emulation, page 17 or so. 73 de Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:14 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 auto spot function I consider the CW Auto Spot function one of the best features of the K3. My tone death ears are worthless for this purpose. I'm sure I pressed the button over 1000 times this past weekend during the DX contest making over 900 contacts, all search and pounce. I wonder if anyone knows how to access Auto Spot from the computer keyboard while running WriteLog. I would like to be able to press either the mouse wheel or F12 to force an Auto Spot. 73, Mike K2MK -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-auto-spot-function-tp4625990p4625990.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
