[Emc-users] Jim Combs/Lex/Lexmark is out of the office.

2008-05-16 Thread jcombs
I will be out of the office starting  05/16/2008 and will not return until
05/26/2008.

I will respond to your message when I return (Monday).


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[Emc-users] Still Crashing.

2008-05-16 Thread Organic Engines
Hi,

  I did a fresh BDI, put 'noacpi' in the GRUB line and installed the 
rtai_smi.ko

  crash!

  Any advice?

  Dan

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Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing.

2008-05-16 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Hi.

When you say BDI, do you mean the BDI disc with EMC1, or do you mean 
the EMC2/Ubuntu LiveCD?

- Steve

Organic Engines wrote:

Hi,

  I did a fresh BDI, put 'noacpi' in the GRUB line and installed the 
rtai_smi.ko

  crash!

  Any advice?

  Dan



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[Emc-users] Any plans to put hal pins on the task planner?

2008-05-16 Thread Matt Shaver
I've been doing a lot of studying on EMC in the last few days (you can
tell from the stream of stupid questions flowing from my e-mail address)
and I see that every other part of the system has HAL pins except the
task planner. I've noticed that halui provides a HAL to NML bridge, but
if the task planner (and interp?) were HALified, you could make a system
without NML if desired (I think).

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Matt



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Re: [Emc-users] Any plans to put hal pins on the task planner?

2008-05-16 Thread John Kasunich
Matt Shaver wrote:
 I've been doing a lot of studying on EMC in the last few days (you can
 tell from the stream of stupid questions flowing from my e-mail address)
 and I see that every other part of the system has HAL pins except the
 task planner. I've noticed that halui provides a HAL to NML bridge, but
 if the task planner (and interp?) were HALified, you could make a system
 without NML if desired (I think).
 
 Thoughts?
 
 Thanks,
 Matt
 

I don't see HAL and NML as doing the same thing, and I certainly 
wouldn't propose HAL pins for the task planner.

Halui serves a specific need - it lets physical buttons be used to 
control EMC instead of on-screen widgets.

HAL pins are mostly suitable for conveying state information:  is the 
button pressed, has the switch been hit, where is the axis, what voltage 
should the DAC be putting out, etc.  It is not a substitute for a 
messaging system.

I've never been particularly fond of NML, but HAL is not a suitable 
replacement for it.

Regards,

John Kasunich

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing on Hardy Heron

2008-05-16 Thread Jaime Alemany
Hi Ray

thanks - now I understand ;-)

Seems it is finally installing! I had to manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list
as it included references to the dapper version, but now it is progressing
(I do not have a screen on this computer - so I can't test the live CD, but
latency can't go worse than in the other machine!)

My first impressions with EMC are outstanding! It is really a huge
improvement over the other cnc control package I was using.

Thanks for the help,

jaime


On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Ray Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi Jaime

 I've been pushing for the release for a couple weeks and they finally
 got it ready.  I've downloaded it but not tested the final version.  I'm
 sure that it should be good.

 Try it first in live boot mode and see how it works.  If it seems to be
 okay then install it.

 Hope this helps

 Ray


 On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 00:38 +0200, Jaime Alemany wrote:
  Hi Ray,
 
  and thanks! This all happened today or you managed to make it run with
  the older version? No need to answer just sheer curiosity... felt
  crazy with all the references to Dapper in the linuxcnc.org page until
  I read the message announcing the release.
 
  Will try tomorrow morning, hopefully I'll solve my latency issues
  changing the machine.
 
  Thanks again,
 
  jaime
 
  On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Ray Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Jaime
 
  EMC2 version 2.2.5 is running here on a couple machines with
  Hardy.  The
  python version on both is 2.5.2.  I did install from the
  EMC2-CD
 
 
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/hardy/ubuntu-8.04-desktop-emc2-aj07-i386.iso
 
  for the last one but used the install script from linuxcnc.org
  for the
  first.
 
  http://www.linuxcnc.org/hardy/emc2-install.sh
 
  I had to execute the commands in that script line by line
  because it
  didn't want to just run all by itself.  It did get past the
  fix of the
  apt sources but then died someplace.
 
  Rayh
 
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: Synergy

2008-05-16 Thread Ben Dugan
Kirk Wallace wrote:

 I like the wiki idea. I can look into this, but hints on how to start
 a wiki would be welcome.

We use twiki internally. It seems to work quite well. But I don't know
how to set something like that up for public access, and I would not
relish the idea of administering such a thing.

Maybe we could just add a topic to the EMC wiki that is here:

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl

This is probably something we should ask about to see if its ok with
whoever maintains that.

 Ben, are you running Synergy on Ubuntu?

Yes and no. I bought the solids version and that is running on my own
desktop machine, which runs a version of Knoppix that is several years
old. So its basically a debian platform. And other people here, when
they need to actually generate g-code, run this copy on my machine using
ssh -X from another their machines. But we also have copies of the
CAD-only version running on several machines, including at least 1
unbuntu one.

 
 I would like to record screen sessions to present procedures. Hints
 on screen recorders would be good too.
 

I don't really have any info on that; sorry.

Ben


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing on Hardy Heron

2008-05-16 Thread Dave Keeton
Here is a questionWhen looking at the pci address list, I have two 
National Intruments devices showing1 is the DIO96 card, The other is 
named bridge. The bridge shows 3 different I/O registers. Do I write the 
driver to talk to the bridge? I noticed a file called plx9030.h in the 
source. The bridge device is a plx9030. how would I use this or do I even 
need to?

Dave

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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:43 AM
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I modified the pci_8255 driver and renamed it to pci_dio96 then compiled it
 into EMC. I called the new driver in my cofig and it did show up with the
 proper number of pins in hal show. Have'nt tested it yet but I do expect
 some hurdles. The first time it lock up the computer completely while
 loading EMC. I fixed a booboo and it loaded normally after that. I have a
 little learning curve but I am on my way. Thank you for all your help so
 far. If I can make this work it will give us 96 more IO points to play
 withAny future help is welcomed and appreciated...

   Dave

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 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Installing on Hardy Heron


 Thank you! That is a big help

 Dave

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 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Installing on Hardy Heron


 Dave Keeton wrote:

Since I'm still working on that driver for my DIO96, Is it very 
difficult
to
compile the new driver into emc? I am fairly new at C programming so 
this
is
a learning experience for me.


 Install the developer tools:
 sudo apt-get install emc2-dev

 Maybe also install all the EMC build dependencies (though I don't think
 it's necessary):
 sudo apt-get build-dep emc2

 Then write some C or comp code (man comp for more info, also you can
 look at all the comps in the emc source after `apt-get source emc2`),
 and install it with:
 sudo comp --install mycode.c
 or sudo comp --install mycode.comp

 Not too hard, especially if you have DSL or cable for the package
 downloads :)

 Oh, there's a wiki page:
 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?HowToWriteNewHalComponent

 - Steve
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[Emc-users] I do not understand the meaning of Inverted state of digital input pin

2008-05-16 Thread Howard Chan
Dear all people,

In the m5i20_io.hal, I am finding a command linksp Xminlim =
m5i20.0.in-00-not. I dont understand the meaning of it. In the linuxcnc
doc view, not means inverted state but I dont know how to connect to a
sensor. I decide that I use 24VDC to use signal voltage. The over-travel
switch, I will use proximity sensor but there are two type (NPN or PNP)
and two operation mode (NO or NC). In this state, which type is suitable
for me.
On the other hand, I am not sure my connect method is it correct. Please
give me any suggestions.

State: xminlim = mi20.0.in.-00-not
5i20(P2)50Pin Cable--7137T(Pin1)--Red Cable--NC
Switch-Red Cable---24VDC--Black Cable7137T(Pin2)


Best regards,
Howard Chan


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Re: [Emc-users] Any plans to put hal pins on the task planner?

2008-05-16 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 09:46 -0400, John Kasunich wrote:

 I don't see HAL and NML as doing the same thing, and I certainly 
 wouldn't propose HAL pins for the task planner.

I see your point. The HAL is what you said, not an IPC method, at least
not an intentional one. I guess I like it because it's so easily
manipulated, like a scripting language :) .

Thanks,
Matt



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Re: [Emc-users] I do not understand the meaning of Inverted state of digital input pin

2008-05-16 Thread John Kasunich
Howard Chan wrote:
 Dear all people,
 
 In the m5i20_io.hal, I am finding a command linksp Xminlim =
 m5i20.0.in-00-not. I dont understand the meaning of it. In the linuxcnc
 doc view, not means inverted state but I dont know how to connect to a
 sensor. I decide that I use 24VDC to use signal voltage. The over-travel
 switch, I will use proximity sensor but there are two type (NPN or PNP)
 and two operation mode (NO or NC). In this state, which type is suitable
 for me.
 On the other hand, I am not sure my connect method is it correct. Please
 give me any suggestions.
 
 State: xminlim = mi20.0.in.-00-not
 5i20(P2)50Pin Cable--7137T(Pin1)--Red Cable--NC
 Switch-Red Cable---24VDC--Black Cable7137T(Pin2)
 
 
 Best regards,
 Howard Chan
 
 

The simplest approach is to hook up the wiring and try it.  The choice
between m5i20.0.in-00 and m5i20.0.in-00-not can be changed very easily,
after you do a test (with halmeter for example) to see which one does
what you want.

The actual connection of the sensor will require reading the sensor
documentation and the 7i37 documentation.  In particular, most proximity
sensors have three wires, not two.  One is power, one is ground, and one
is the output.

An NPN sensor usually has an open collector output that pulls to ground.
 PNP sensors usually pull up to 24V.

The 7i37 manual (http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i37man.pdf) says
that the digital inputs are completely isolated, so they should work for
either type of sensor.  For NPN you would connect the 7i37 between +24
and the sensor output, for PNP you would connect it between the sensor
output and ground.

Regards,

John Kasunich









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Re: [Emc-users] I do not understand the meaning of Inverted state of digital input pin

2008-05-16 Thread Ray Henry

Hi Howard

It looks to me like this is an NPN NO configuration.  When the prox is
tripped it drives the in-not to true.

For stepper motors on a machine connected to a parport, I've used an NPN
NO in a similar setup.  What happens is that all of the normally open
contacts keep in-not false until any one of the prox switches closes.

For servo machines I would not use a prox for a real end of travel stop
signal.  I'd use a set of NC switches wired in series so that if any one
of them trips the circuit opens.  In this case I'd use the in rather
than in-not so that when the circuit opens the pin becomes true.

The M5i20 has enough pins so that you could use a separate one for each
end of travel.  I would still use an NC contact so that a broken wire
will cause the alarm rather than disabling that end-of-travel.

HTH

Rayh


On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 01:23 +0800, Howard Chan wrote:
 Dear all people,
 
 In the m5i20_io.hal, I am finding a command linksp Xminlim =
 m5i20.0.in-00-not. I dont understand the meaning of it. In the linuxcnc
 doc view, not means inverted state but I dont know how to connect to a
 sensor. I decide that I use 24VDC to use signal voltage. The over-travel
 switch, I will use proximity sensor but there are two type (NPN or PNP)
 and two operation mode (NO or NC). In this state, which type is suitable
 for me.
 On the other hand, I am not sure my connect method is it correct. Please
 give me any suggestions.
 
 State: xminlim = mi20.0.in.-00-not
 5i20(P2)50Pin Cable--7137T(Pin1)--Red Cable--NC
 Switch-Red Cable---24VDC--Black Cable7137T(Pin2)
 
 
 Best regards,
 Howard Chan
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Any plans to put hal pins on the task planner?

2008-05-16 Thread Ray Henry
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 13:38 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 09:46 -0400, John Kasunich wrote:
 
  I don't see HAL and NML as doing the same thing, and I certainly 
  wouldn't propose HAL pins for the task planner.
 
 I see your point. The HAL is what you said, not an IPC method, at least
 not an intentional one. I guess I like it because it's so easily
 manipulated, like a scripting language :) .
 
 Thanks,
 Matt

A few folk were brain storming a while back about task planning.  There
were even a couple of graphics floating about that described possible
systems.  The way that we thought of it was using hooks into the task at
various levels that sounds now a lot like the way that HAL connects
things together.  Perhaps we need a TAL that can be configured a bit
like HAL is.  It would need to sit in NML much as the current task
planner does and negotiate motion, IO, and state much the way that it is
currently done.  The advantage would be that if no tool changing was
done, none need be included,  If manual tool change is done, a manual
tool change routine might be connected.  If auto tool change is
available, one matching the logic of the tool changer could be linked
in.

Rayh




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[Emc-users] starting spindle during restart in the middle of the program

2008-05-16 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen,
   I have been playing with this. I have a 'sort of' answer. It
functions and allows the spindle to be started. You can stop the
spindle at any time and restart it at any time as long as an s number
has been read by the control.
   It doesn't inhibit the axis motion for the restart (still working
on it) but it allows the machine to be restarted in the middle of the
program and start the spindle.
   You must be using the 'axis' gui.

use a 'pyvcp' button
connect in postgui.hal like this:
net spindle pyvcp.spindle halui.program.pause toggle.0.in
net spinON toggle.0.out halui.spindle.stop not.0.in
net spinOff not.0.out halui.spindle.start

use 'set next line'
restart using 'step'
push the pyvcp button twice

   Like I said, this is a 'sort of' workaround. This function needs to
be addressed more complete and in a better fashion but in the interim
this will allow you to restart in the middle of a program.
thanks
Stuart

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Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron LTS - official announcement

2008-05-16 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 14:43 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote:
 sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-rtai
 
 I hope this is right, as I am about to reboot and try it, so if I'm
 never heard from again...

OK, alive again! And on the RTAI kernel! After using the script to
install EMC2 on an already installed Hardy system (my personal desktop),
I got to the gdm login screen, but after logging in, my screen was all
white with just the mouse cursor :( . Installing the modules with the
above command fixed it. Just FYI...

Thanks,
Matt



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Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron LTS -official announcement

2008-05-16 Thread Alex Joni
Well.. yes and no

you are correct that linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-rtai is the correct 
package name for you.
But if the kernel gets upgraded (especially with an ABI bump, then the -16- 
will probably change),
so the package you have installed (lum-2.6.24-16-rtai) won't get updated 
automatically (because it's a different package name).
Therefor we made some meta packages which always depend on the latest 
package names (linux-ubuntu-modules-hardy-rtai should always depend on the 
latest lum package).

Regards,
Alex

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announcement


 On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 19:06 +0300, Alex Joni wrote:

 Step 8: If you experience problems with things that used to work on the
 default hardy, but don't after installing emc2, chances are you need one 
 of
 the special modules. (you can install them with: sudo apt-get install
 linux-ubuntu-modules-hardy-rtai).

 Actually, I had to say:

 sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-rtai

 I hope this is right, as I am about to reboot and try it, so if I'm
 never heard from again...

 Thanks,
 Matt

 


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Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron LTS -official announcement

2008-05-16 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 23:23 +0300, Alex Joni wrote:
 Therefor we made some meta packages which always depend on the latest 
 package names (linux-ubuntu-modules-hardy-rtai should always depend on the 
 latest lum package).

That's ideal! Except apt couldn't find linux-ubuntu-modules-hardy-rtai.
I think I know what's wrong; The meta package is described in
http://www.linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/hardy/base/binary-i386/Packages
but not in
http://www.linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/hardy/base/binary-amd64/Packages
and I've got an AMD system here.

Thanks,
Matt



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Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy HeronLTS -official announcement

2008-05-16 Thread Alex Joni
well.. that does make a bit of a difference ;)
let us know how it works for you .. 

Regards,
Alex


 and I've got an AMD system here.
 
 Thanks,
 Matt


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Re: [Emc-users] starting spindle during restart in the middle of the program

2008-05-16 Thread Fabio Gilii
Hello Stuart,

   Maybe you can help me - I need to make a command for restart the milling
from any line of the file but I don't know how to make this. (and probably
you idea to restart spindle will be very usefull in this case).
   If i'm not wrong, I think this feature is present in 'mini' or 'Tkemc'
gui, but will be usefull in 'axis' gui.

The only thing I made with successs was a command (via pyvcp button) do send
all axis back do origin phisically...

Thank you and best regards,

Fabio
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Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron LTS -

2008-05-16 Thread Jaime Alemany
Hi again,

it's running now nicely in Hardy, really really good (btw the machine has
proved to be a nice performer, max jitter  10k ns   ).

Now just another question - please let me know if this is not the proper
place to ask and also feel free to tell me I should read more deeply the
documentation, still starting in this and emc2 has a lot of information.

Whatever I do (and have already installed the restricted modules) my wifi
card dissapears every time I boot the rt kernel. Is there anything I could
do? It is really cumbersome as my only link to the outer universe from the
cellar where the mill resides is wireless!

Again, thanks in advance.

jaime
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[Emc-users] 2x 5i20 cards, how to set additional axis

2008-05-16 Thread amtb
Hi
I build system with 2 5i20 and 2 analog cards. I am looking for direction
into to activate 6 axis. I did add axis last year with help of Steve. This
time I will document every single click of how do that because it will be
part of my theses for my school.
Anyone who do not like me personally please do not respond!
Thank you
Aram.



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