Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

2012-11-11 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 11/11/2012 1:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
 On Sunday 11 November 2012 01:12:07 Jon Elson did opine:

 On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton lathebuil...@gmail.com

 wrote:
 The archive shows them as marked as spam.
 If your sig line contains a URL, or there is one included in the message
 body to reference
 an external web page, that will often trigger the marked as spam
 condition.  (At
 least, those are the rules Yahoo groups seems to use.)

 Jon

 Which is an odd statement considering that the _only_ links in the sig or
 footer of Jasons msgs, were put there by this mail server. See below for
 the example.


True, Gene, but Jon was just citing Yahoo groups as an example (besides, 
the sourceforge server checks the email *before* it adds the crap that 
allows us to use these lists free of charge). We don't know the details 
of the sourceforge list server.

Jason - you are using gmail.com as your mail host just as I am. You 
should know that many spammers use gmail.com and many other mail 
handlers aren't very happy with it. Case in point, I'm looking at the 
headers of your original message and I see the following (inserted by 
sourceforge; this is just the first few lines)

 X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net.
   See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details.
   -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for
   sender-domain
   0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider
   (lathebuilder[at]gmail.com)

More than once, I've had temporary trouble communicating with this list 
from my gmail account. It was much worse with my old ISP-provided 
account. It got blackballed which is why I had to switch to gmail.

If your messages are being rejected by the list server, you should be 
receiving explanatory responses in your mailbox as I have.

Regards,
Kent


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[Emc-users] A PS Re: Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

2012-11-11 Thread Kent A. Reed

 More than once, I've had temporary trouble communicating with this 
 list from my gmail account. It was much worse with my old ISP-provided 
 account. It got blackballed which is why I had to switch to gmail.

 If your messages are being rejected by the list server, you should be 
 receiving explanatory responses in your mailbox as I have.


I forgot to mention that, after you subscribe to emc-users, you can set 
your account preferences so the list server sends you an acknowledgement 
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I find this useful.

Regards,
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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

2012-11-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 11/11/2012 12:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
 On Sunday 11 November 2012 01:12:07 Jon Elson did opine:


 If your sig line contains a URL, or there is one included in the message
 body to reference
 an external web page, that will often trigger the marked as spam
 condition.  (At
 least, those are the rules Yahoo groups seems to use.)

 Jon

 Which is an odd statement considering that the _only_ links in the sig or
 footer of Jasons msgs, were put there by this mail server. See below for
 the example.

Yes, every mailing list server has their own set of rules for how to tag 
spam, and they
change them from time to time.  I'm a moderator of the Atlas/Craftsman Yahoo
group and I have never fully understood how their rules work.  Some messages
have plain URLs in them, and I assume that is why.  Others have no URL,
so I'm guessing they contain some keyword that Yahoo is using to ID spam
that week.  I have to OK all suspected spam to clear it for posting, so 
I get to
make the final discrimination.  And, most of what they tag is OK.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

2012-11-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 11 November 2012 11:11:07 Kent A. Reed did opine:

 On 11/11/2012 1:14 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
  On Sunday 11 November 2012 01:12:07 Jon Elson did opine:
  On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jason Burton
  lathebuil...@gmail.com
  
  wrote:
  The archive shows them as marked as spam.
  
  If your sig line contains a URL, or there is one included in the
  message body to reference
  an external web page, that will often trigger the marked as spam
  condition.  (At
  least, those are the rules Yahoo groups seems to use.)
  
  Jon
  
  Which is an odd statement considering that the _only_ links in the sig
  or footer of Jasons msgs, were put there by this mail server. See
  below for the example.
 
 True, Gene, but Jon was just citing Yahoo groups as an example (besides,
 the sourceforge server checks the email *before* it adds the crap that
 allows us to use these lists free of charge). We don't know the details
 of the sourceforge list server.
 
 Jason - you are using gmail.com as your mail host just as I am. You
 should know that many spammers use gmail.com and many other mail
 handlers aren't very happy with it. Case in point, I'm looking at the
 headers of your original message and I see the following (inserted by
 sourceforge; this is just the first few lines)
 
  X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net.
  
  See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details.
  -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for
  sender-domain
  0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail
  provider (lathebuilder[at]gmail.com)
 
 More than once, I've had temporary trouble communicating with this list
 from my gmail account. It was much worse with my old ISP-provided
 account. It got blackballed which is why I had to switch to gmail.
 
 If your messages are being rejected by the list server, you should be
 receiving explanatory responses in your mailbox as I have.
 
 Regards,
 Kent
 
I have a gmail account (who doesn't) but have largely migrated off it, 
mainly because there is no echo to indicate that my messages even get to a 
list, so it, unless someone replies, always looks as if my message was 
dumped.  I want that echo to prove to me the messages were delivered TO the 
list by getting that posting back as a receipt. So I use gmail very little 
anymore.  And I have never used my IPS's email server as their max pw 
length is 5 characters.  'scuse me!  Bunch of arrogant nincompoops IMO. I 
have a longer, but still probably quickly crackable pw at my former place 
of employment, an account that will be active for me till I pass.  Its on 
big iron as lots of video is moved thru it, so my text traffic, verbose as 
it is at times, doesn't bother that qmail server a bit.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] A PS Re: Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

2012-11-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 11 November 2012 11:24:11 Kent A. Reed did opine:

  More than once, I've had temporary trouble communicating with this
  list from my gmail account. It was much worse with my old ISP-provided
  account. It got blackballed which is why I had to switch to gmail.
  
  If your messages are being rejected by the list server, you should be
  receiving explanatory responses in your mailbox as I have.
 
 I forgot to mention that, after you subscribe to emc-users, you can set
 your account preferences so the list server sends you an acknowledgement
 [SIC]* every time you post to the list.
 
 If your post is successful, you get a message with the subject line
 Emc-users post acknowledgement and a body like
 
  Your message entitled
  
   Re: [Emc-users] Does replying to old threads go straight to the
   spam bin?
  
  was successfully received by the Emc-users mailing list.
  
  List info page:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
  Your
  preferences:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/options/emc-users/ken
  tallanreed%40gmail.com
 
 I find this useful.

I did not know you could do that, and that would nicely get past gmails ^$ 
duplicate filters.

Thanks Kent.  I learned something today.  Now if I could just get the 
hereafter figured out, I go into a room  then try to remember what it was 
that I'm hereafter.

:)
 Regards,
 Kent
 
 *Damned Internet spelling. I used to get dinged by my teachers and later
 by my editors every time I added an e to acknowledgment.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] A PS Re: Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

2012-11-11 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 11/11/2012 11:28 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
 Thanks Kent.  I learned something today.  Now if I could just get the
 hereafter figured out, I go into a room  then try to remember what it was
 that I'm hereafter.
I thought that's the room where we leave our round tuits.

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[Emc-users] Sieg SC2518 CNC lathe conversion questions

2012-11-11 Thread Scott Hasse
All-

I'm starting in the process of converting a Sieg SC2518 CNC lathe to
LinuxCNC control.  I'll be using Mesa hardware, 5i23+7i33+7i37 and have had
good experience with that in the past.  Incomplete in-process documentation
is here:

http://code.google.com/p/sector67-sandbox/wiki/SiegCNCLathe

If anyone has done a conversion like this I'd certainly appreciate any
advice.  More specifically, I have two questions with respect to the
encoder.  The machine is built with a 100 ppr Automation Driect TRD-S100BD
12-24V open collector encoder plus a magnetic reed switch that triggers
once per chuck revolution.  The encoder has a Z pulse but as it is on a
belt it will not fire once per chuck revolution, but some fraction of that.

I plan on integrating the spindle control to be able to thread, but I am
wondering if the Z pulse needs to be strictly once per chuck revolution or
if I could instead use the Z pulse directly from the encoder, which would
be a bit simpler.

Further, I am wondering the best way to interface a 12-24V open collector
encoder with the Mesa 7i33 servo control card.  I presume I would set the
jumpers for TTL mode, but then after doing so can I just connect the A/B or
conversely not A/not B?  I guess the question is are the encoder inputs in
TTL mode on the Mesa 7i33 pulled up to positive voltage.

Thanks in advance for the advice,

Scott
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Re: [Emc-users] Sieg SC2518 CNC lathe conversion questions

2012-11-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 November 2012 20:00, Scott Hasse scott.ha...@gmail.com wrote:

 I plan on integrating the spindle control to be able to thread, but I am
 wondering if the Z pulse needs to be strictly once per chuck revolution

Yes, it must be once per spindle revolution. The system will always
start the threading pass on the index, and if that index happens at a
different point in the spindle revolution, then so will the thread.

 Further, I am wondering the best way to interface a 12-24V open collector
 encoder with the Mesa 7i33 servo control card.

That's one for Pete.

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[Emc-users] Spindle Control on the AXIS Interface

2012-11-11 Thread N. Christopher Perry
I started experimenting with spindle control and have found some odd behavior.  
I added the example HAL content from section 2 of this page 
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html.  

Got a error when I launched AXIS.  Removed this line from the HAL file, which 
cleared the error: net spindle-cmd = motion.spindle-speed-out (this was part 
of the HAL file Stepconf generated)

After removing that line AXIS launched without incident, but when I enable the 
spindle (F9) and try adjusting the speed, ether by clicking the '+' / '-' 
buttons or pressing F11/F12 I only get ~1%  100% PWM duty.  If I enter an S 
code in the MDI command window I get full fidelity.  

Here is a link to a copy of my HAL file: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgq3jqvmzajwi72/mini-mill.hal

Any suggestions about what might be going on?

I'm running 2.4.6.

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Re: [Emc-users] Spindle Control on the AXIS Interface

2012-11-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 November 2012 22:04, N. Christopher Perry
n_christopher_pe...@me.com wrote:

 After removing that line AXIS launched without incident, but when I enable 
 the spindle (F9) and try adjusting the speed, ether by clicking the '+' / '-' 
 buttons or pressing F11/F12 I only get ~1%  100% PWM duty.

The Axis UI increments the spindle speed in fixed increments of 100rpm
(Code here from command.c)
case EMCMOT_SPINDLE_INCREASE:
rtapi_print_msg(RTAPI_MSG_DBG, SPINDLE_INCREASE);
if (emcmotStatus-spindle.speed  0) {
emcmotStatus-spindle.speed += 100; //FIXME - make the step a 
HAL parameter
} else if (emcmotStatus-spindle.speed  0) {
emcmotStatus-spindle.speed -= 100;
}
break;

You have an unusually low spindle speed range (0 to 100 rpm) so the
very first increment press takes you straight to your max spindle
speed of 100rpm.
Note that even here it is acknowledged in the code that this isn't
quite right...

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Re: [Emc-users] Spindle Control on the AXIS Interface

2012-11-11 Thread N. Christopher Perry
Ahh..  I see that I've managed to shoot myself in the foot:  I'd set it to 100 
so I could more easily evaluate duty cycle increments.  That will not remain at 
that low a value in service.

Thank you for the quick response.

On 2012-Nov-11, at 17:25, andy pugh wrote:

 On 11 November 2012 22:04, N. Christopher Perry
 n_christopher_pe...@me.com wrote:
 
 After removing that line AXIS launched without incident, but when I enable 
 the spindle (F9) and try adjusting the speed, ether by clicking the '+' / 
 '-' buttons or pressing F11/F12 I only get ~1%  100% PWM duty.
 
 The Axis UI increments the spindle speed in fixed increments of 100rpm
 (Code here from command.c)
 case EMCMOT_SPINDLE_INCREASE:
   rtapi_print_msg(RTAPI_MSG_DBG, SPINDLE_INCREASE);
   if (emcmotStatus-spindle.speed  0) {
   emcmotStatus-spindle.speed += 100; //FIXME - make the step a 
 HAL parameter
   } else if (emcmotStatus-spindle.speed  0) {
   emcmotStatus-spindle.speed -= 100;
   }
   break;
 
 You have an unusually low spindle speed range (0 to 100 rpm) so the
 very first increment press takes you straight to your max spindle
 speed of 100rpm.
 Note that even here it is acknowledged in the code that this isn't
 quite right...
 
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Re: [Emc-users] A PS Re: Does replying to old threads go straight to the spam bin?

2012-11-11 Thread dave
On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 18:00 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
 On Sunday 11 November 2012 17:59:21 Kent A. Reed did opine:
 
  On 11/11/2012 11:28 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
   Thanks Kent.  I learned something today.  Now if I could just get the
   hereafter figured out, I go into a room  then try to remember what it
   was that I'm hereafter.
  
  I thought that's the room where we leave our round tuits.
  
 Could be Kent, but I sure haven't spotted them if it is. :)
 
 Cheers Kent, Gene

As I understand it roundtuits are sneaky little beasties and very adept
at concealing themselves. :-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Sieg SC2518 CNC lathe conversion questions

2012-11-11 Thread Bruce Layne

On 11/11/2012 03:00 PM, Scott Hasse wrote:

 ...plus a magnetic reed switch that triggers once per chuck revolution.

I wouldn't use any mechanical switch in that application.  There's a 
chance it won't be able to respond fast enough at the faster spindle 
speeds, but I'd be much more concerned about reliability.  Most 
mechanical switches are rated for mechanical life, independent of 
contact wear from making and breaking current.  Even with no current 
flowing through the switch, most switches are rated for something in the 
ballpark of 100,000 to 1,000,000 switch activations.  That's a lot if 
you're pushing a button, but if you're racking up 2000 switch 
activations per minute for the spindle index pulse, you'll reach 100,000 
in 50 minutes of spindle time.

I'd be looking at a solid state switch with no moving parts... either a 
Hall effect switch for that magnet, or I'd use a slot or a hole in an 
opaque disk with an optical interrupter.



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[Emc-users] Single Pulse Output?

2012-11-11 Thread N. Christopher Perry
Is there a way to have a parallel port output generate a single pulse on 
command?  I have a vacuum system that requires a pulse to turn it on/off, and 
would like to have my machine turn the vacuum on automatically.

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Re: [Emc-users] Sieg SC2518 CNC lathe conversion questions

2012-11-11 Thread Scott Hasse
Thanks, I should have been more accurate in my initial description.  It is
a hall effect sensor.

Scott


On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Bruce Layne
linux...@thinkingdevices.comwrote:


 On 11/11/2012 03:00 PM, Scott Hasse wrote:

  ...plus a magnetic reed switch that triggers once per chuck revolution.

 I wouldn't use any mechanical switch in that application.  There's a
 chance it won't be able to respond fast enough at the faster spindle
 speeds, but I'd be much more concerned about reliability.  Most
 mechanical switches are rated for mechanical life, independent of
 contact wear from making and breaking current.  Even with no current
 flowing through the switch, most switches are rated for something in the
 ballpark of 100,000 to 1,000,000 switch activations.  That's a lot if
 you're pushing a button, but if you're racking up 2000 switch
 activations per minute for the spindle index pulse, you'll reach 100,000
 in 50 minutes of spindle time.

 I'd be looking at a solid state switch with no moving parts... either a
 Hall effect switch for that magnet, or I'd use a slot or a hole in an
 opaque disk with an optical interrupter.




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Re: [Emc-users] Single Pulse Output?

2012-11-11 Thread John Kasunich
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 07:44 PM, N. Christopher Perry wrote:
 Is there a way to have a parallel port output generate a single pulse on
 command?  I have a vacuum system that requires a pulse to turn it on/off,
 and would like to have my machine turn the vacuum on automatically.

How long of a pulse?  How precise does the length need to be?

HAL has a one-shot component, that generates a pulse its 
input signal changes state.  Might do what you need.


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Re: [Emc-users] Sieg SC2518 CNC lathe conversion questions

2012-11-11 Thread Greg Bernard
While I agree that a hall sensor would be a better choice, I believe reed 
switches can be quite reliable as they have seen use as sensors for bicycle 
speedometers for some time.

 
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 From: Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Sieg SC2518 CNC lathe conversion questions
 

On 11/11/2012 03:00 PM, Scott Hasse wrote:

 ...plus a magnetic reed switch that triggers once per chuck revolution.

I wouldn't use any mechanical switch in that application.  There's a 
chance it won't be able to respond fast enough at the faster spindle 
speeds, but I'd be much more concerned about reliability.  Most 
mechanical switches are rated for mechanical life, independent of 
contact wear from making and breaking current.  Even with no current 
flowing through the switch, most switches are rated for something in the 
ballpark of 100,000 to 1,000,000 switch activations.  That's a lot if 
you're pushing a button, but if you're racking up 2000 switch 
activations per minute for the spindle index pulse, you'll reach 100,000 
in 50 minutes of spindle time.

I'd be looking at a solid state switch with no moving parts... either a 
Hall effect switch for that magnet, or I'd use a slot or a hole in an 
opaque disk with an optical interrupter.



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Re: [Emc-users] Single Pulse Output?

2012-11-11 Thread N. Christopher Perry
A 1 s pulse, +/-0.25 s, with +/-0.25 s timing accuracy would be adequate.

N.C. 

On 2012-Nov-11, at 20:09, John Kasunich wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 07:44 PM, N. Christopher Perry wrote:
 Is there a way to have a parallel port output generate a single pulse on
 command?  I have a vacuum system that requires a pulse to turn it on/off,
 and would like to have my machine turn the vacuum on automatically.
 
 How long of a pulse?  How precise does the length need to be?
 
 HAL has a one-shot component, that generates a pulse its 
 input signal changes state.  Might do what you need.
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Single Pulse Output?

2012-11-11 Thread John Kasunich
The HAL one-shot component can do that very easily.

 man oneshot from the command line should get you the documentation.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 08:52 PM, N. Christopher Perry wrote:
 A 1 s pulse, +/-0.25 s, with +/-0.25 s timing accuracy would be adequate.
 
 N.C. 
 
 On 2012-Nov-11, at 20:09, John Kasunich wrote:
 
  On Sun, Nov 11, 2012, at 07:44 PM, N. Christopher Perry wrote:
  Is there a way to have a parallel port output generate a single pulse on
  command?  I have a vacuum system that requires a pulse to turn it on/off,
  and would like to have my machine turn the vacuum on automatically.
  
  How long of a pulse?  How precise does the length need to be?
  
  HAL has a one-shot component, that generates a pulse its 
  input signal changes state.  Might do what you need.
  
  
   John Kasunich
   jmkasun...@fastmail.fm
  
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