Re: [Emc-users] Motor Resolvers

2014-11-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 November 2014 03:43, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:

 I have also sold over 100 of the Pico Systems resolver to
 quadrature converter board.
 They can be used with any system that needs a quadrature
 encoder signal.

It should also be possible to use this with the bldc HAL component
to synthesize Hall sensor signals for a drive that requires them (or
direct phase amplitudes)

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Re: [Emc-users] Running Mitsubishi Meldas DC servo motors with LinuxCNC

2014-11-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 November 2014 01:05, Leonardo Marsaglia
leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://imageshack.com/a/img537/5573/lgfKjB.jpg

Google images suggests it is a Mazatrol TRA31
http://www.dubuque-forsale.com/OLD-ADS-FROM-PREVIOUS-YEARS/2007/June/Mitsubishi-meldas-mazatrol-tra-31A-31-servo-drive-TRA31.php

There is a manual of sorts here:
http://www.meau.com/functions/dms/getfile.asp?ID=0100010046500
but I am not sure that it answers the important questions.


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Re: [Emc-users] Latest Linux Build

2014-11-19 Thread Rick Lair
I would rather use the din rail mounts, but they are orientated 90 
degrees off of how I mount the boards, or so it looks like on the mesa 
web page.


Thanks


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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread pc
Is there a way to clamp a sander or similar to the head for use in flattening? 
A solid clamping and a series of light cuts ought to flatten to match the axis.


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On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:32 AM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:


 On 11/18/2014 06:45 AM, Mark Wendt wrote:
  Stuart,
 
  I have no tooling plates in use now.  ;-)
 
  Mark
 
 
 Hi Mark,

 I don't know if the site is still active but Les Watts used an
 interesting compensation
 scheme for his router. Something about a cam on a tensioned wire IIRC.

 Being an old curmudgeon ( is that redundant?) I just have to ask what
 the precision
 of the process is if the bed were perfect?
 Maybe I envision the tooling plate incorrectly but why wouldn't  one
 that was simply
 flat do. After all you do have a controllable Z axis.

 Despite claims by various people about resolution to .01 mm or so it
 still comes
 down to the accuracy and precision of the process.

 On another tangent I wonder about using a polynomial (curve fit) but
 with the number of inflections points you have it may be pretty high
 order. Linear interp instead of a continuous function may still be best.
 This is the kind of thing that starts email wars. ;-)

 Best wishes however you decide to cure the problem.

 Dave



Dave,

If the bed were perfect, I wouldn't need a correction factor for the Z
axis.  ;-)  I need to keep the finished cross-section to + or - .001 at
each 1 X station.

I'd have to rebuild the machine to use some kind of tooling plate.  The
table is actually my vacuum hold-down.  I have no way to cut the table
flat using the machine itself, unlike a router.  The cutting head is made
up of two saw blades held at an included angle of 60 degrees, with the
point of the V at the bottom.

I've tried to flatten the bed by filing, sanding, etc, but the problem is,
I really have no reference to the cutting head.  That's how I end up with
being 2 or 3 thou low in one area, 3 or 4 thou high in other areas and so
on.  I've shimmed out the table as best as I can, and this is what I'm left
with, so I'd like to correct for the Z using some kind of compensation read
into the machine.  Be a lot easier to do it once, rather than having to do
it each time I create a different G Code file for each different rod and
each different section.

I like Andy's lincurve idea.  I just have to go through all the reading of
the suggestions given this morning, and work out how I can apply it to my
machine.  I think lincurve will probably be the simplest approach.
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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 7:20 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 Is there a way to clamp a sander or similar to the head for use in
 flattening? A solid clamping and a series of light cuts ought to flatten to
 match the axis.



Tried that too.  The way the cutting head is designed there's no real
practical way to attach a sander and hold it firmly enough in place to do
anything precise with it.

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Re: [Emc-users] Latest Linux Build

2014-11-19 Thread Dave Cole
I think you are correct.

Dave


On 11/19/2014 7:02 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
 I would rather use the din rail mounts, but they are orientated 90
 degrees off of how I mount the boards, or so it looks like on the mesa
 web page.


 Thanks


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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread pc
How about temporarily replacing one of your saw blades with a grinding wheel, 
dressing it to the correct angle to be flat across the width of the vacuum 
table and then light grinding passes down the table? Your saw spindles should 
be plenty rigid and high enough RPM, and dressing an angle on the grinding 
wheel is easy with a diamond dresser.


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Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:25:11 -0500
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 7:20 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 Is there a way to clamp a sander or similar to the head for use in
 flattening? A solid clamping and a series of light cuts ought to flatten to
 match the axis.



Tried that too.  The way the cutting head is designed there's no real
practical way to attach a sander and hold it firmly enough in place to do
anything precise with it.

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:12 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 How about temporarily replacing one of your saw blades with a grinding
 wheel, dressing it to the correct angle to be flat across the width of the
 vacuum table and then light grinding passes down the table? Your saw
 spindles should be plenty rigid and high enough RPM, and dressing an angle
 on the grinding wheel is easy with a diamond dresser.



Vacuum Hold-down/table is aluminum.  How well would a grinding wheel work
with that?  Spindles only go to about 4000 rpm.

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Re: [Emc-users] Running Mitsubishi Meldas DC servo motors with LinuxCNC

2014-11-19 Thread Jeff Epler
this thread has a reverse-engineered pinout for ZP1.  
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mazak-mitsubishi-mazatrol/77549-mitsubishi-tra41-servo-drives-interface-help-please-2.html

as you might have expected, it looks like the amp is analog velocity
input.
http://innovative-rc.com/tra41.jpg

Andy's PDF shows resolver feedback.

Both Mesa and Pico have solutions for analog servo amp + resolver
feedback that work nicely with LinuxCNC.

Jeff

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2014-11-19 15:17 GMT+02:00 Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:12 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 How about temporarily replacing one of your saw blades with a grinding
 wheel, dressing it to the correct angle to be flat across the width of the
 vacuum table and then light grinding passes down the table? Your saw
 spindles should be plenty rigid and high enough RPM, and dressing an angle
 on the grinding wheel is easy with a diamond dresser.



 Vacuum Hold-down/table is aluminum.  How well would a grinding wheel work
 with that?  Spindles only go to about 4000 rpm.

And what is max rated speed for grinding wheel? AFAIK it is not much
higher than 3000 RPM. There are special wheels also for aluminium.
But I think that applying offset to Z position to compensate for bed
flatness error is a lot more cost-effective solution.

Viesturs

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread pc
I'm not a grinding expert, but I believe it would work fine with the correct 
selection of grinding wheel type. A quick look on www.nortonindustrial.com 
shows many wheel compositions recommended for grinding aluminum. I bet a call 
to one of their application engineer folks would get you a good recommendation 
for a wheel in the size and material you need. Grinding doesn't have to be 
terribly high RPM, your 4,000 should be fine, it's more a function of taking 
very light cuts and not letting heat build up.


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Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:12 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 How about temporarily replacing one of your saw blades with a grinding
 wheel, dressing it to the correct angle to be flat across the width of the
 vacuum table and then light grinding passes down the table? Your saw
 spindles should be plenty rigid and high enough RPM, and dressing an angle
 on the grinding wheel is easy with a diamond dresser.



Vacuum Hold-down/table is aluminum.  How well would a grinding wheel work
with that?  Spindles only go to about 4000 rpm.

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread pc
Smaller dia grinding wheels have higher max RPMs, and it looks from the machine 
pics like the saw blades are pretty small diameter so a grinding wheel in their 
place would be similarly small. The necessary wheel is probably $20 or so. I 
also think the offset correction table is probably workable, but it's nice to 
have things as mechanically perfect as possible to start with.


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Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:36:28 +0200
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 15:17 GMT+02:00 Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:12 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 How about temporarily replacing one of your saw blades with a grinding
 wheel, dressing it to the correct angle to be flat across the width of the
 vacuum table and then light grinding passes down the table? Your saw
 spindles should be plenty rigid and high enough RPM, and dressing an angle
 on the grinding wheel is easy with a diamond dresser.



 Vacuum Hold-down/table is aluminum.  How well would a grinding wheel work
 with that?  Spindles only go to about 4000 rpm.

And what is max rated speed for grinding wheel? AFAIK it is not much
higher than 3000 RPM. There are special wheels also for aluminium.
But I think that applying offset to Z position to compensate for bed
flatness error is a lot more cost-effective solution.

Viesturs

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com
wrote:

 2014-11-19 15:17 GMT+02:00 Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com:
  On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:12 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:
 
  How about temporarily replacing one of your saw blades with a grinding
  wheel, dressing it to the correct angle to be flat across the width of
 the
  vacuum table and then light grinding passes down the table? Your saw
  spindles should be plenty rigid and high enough RPM, and dressing an
 angle
  on the grinding wheel is easy with a diamond dresser.
 
 
 
  Vacuum Hold-down/table is aluminum.  How well would a grinding wheel work
  with that?  Spindles only go to about 4000 rpm.

 And what is max rated speed for grinding wheel? AFAIK it is not much
 higher than 3000 RPM. There are special wheels also for aluminium.
 But I think that applying offset to Z position to compensate for bed
 flatness error is a lot more cost-effective solution.

 Viesturs



Me too.  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:49 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 Smaller dia grinding wheels have higher max RPMs, and it looks from the
 machine pics like the saw blades are pretty small diameter so a grinding
 wheel in their place would be similarly small. The necessary wheel is
 probably $20 or so. I also think the offset correction table is probably
 workable, but it's nice to have things as mechanically perfect as possible
 to start with.



Saw blades are 4 in diameter.  Hard part would be holding the grinding
wheel in the spindle.  The spindle is a built-in saw mandrel, and the saw
blade fits just snugly over the male insert portion of the mandrel.

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread pc
Perhaps a reducer bushing would be needed to adapt the center hole size. 
Precise centering wouldn't be a big deal since you'd be dressing the wheel to 
profile in-place inherently centering it. I suspect it would be cheap enough to 
be worthwhile even if you still used a correction table to get things exactly 
perfect. Mechanical precision is generally better than electronic compansation 
since issues such as axis acceleration can come into play when trying to 
correct for mechanical issues.


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Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 08:57:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:49 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 Smaller dia grinding wheels have higher max RPMs, and it looks from the
 machine pics like the saw blades are pretty small diameter so a grinding
 wheel in their place would be similarly small. The necessary wheel is
 probably $20 or so. I also think the offset correction table is probably
 workable, but it's nice to have things as mechanically perfect as possible
 to start with.



Saw blades are 4 in diameter.  Hard part would be holding the grinding
wheel in the spindle.  The spindle is a built-in saw mandrel, and the saw
blade fits just snugly over the male insert portion of the mandrel.

Mark
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[Emc-users] Something of Interest

2014-11-19 Thread Rick Lair
Not sure if this compatible or not, but I was just perusing thru 
Automation Directs web page, and noticed this. Its new for them, and it 
looks interesting, and I would be willing to try it out for grins if it 
would work with Linuxcnc.


http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Field_I-z-O/Protos_X_I-z-O


Thanks


Rick


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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 November 2014 14:02,  p...@wpnet.us wrote:
 Perhaps a reducer bushing would be needed to adapt the center hole size. 
 Precise centering wouldn't be a big deal since you'd be dressing the wheel to 
 profile in-place inherently centering i

Dressing in-place is likely to be non-trivial with no Y axis. He would
need to add a manual axis to move the dressing point (and fill his
machine with corundum in the process).

However, I think that the motors swivel? So dressing might not be required.


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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 19 November 2014 14:02,  p...@wpnet.us wrote:
  Perhaps a reducer bushing would be needed to adapt the center hole size.
 Precise centering wouldn't be a big deal since you'd be dressing the wheel
 to profile in-place inherently centering i

 Dressing in-place is likely to be non-trivial with no Y axis. He would
 need to add a manual axis to move the dressing point (and fill his
 machine with corundum in the process).

 However, I think that the motors swivel? So dressing might not be required.


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The spindles do swivel, but how would I ensure that the grinding wheel's
grinding surface would be parallel with the what the table should be?

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread pc
Usually you slide the block with the diamond dresser across the table against a 
guide, or some reference plane that matches what you expect your table to be. 
On a surface grinder you would hold the dresser on your mag chuck and move the 
cross feed axis, but there are other setups and some dresser holders that have 
built in cross slides.


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Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 19 November 2014 14:02,  p...@wpnet.us wrote:
  Perhaps a reducer bushing would be needed to adapt the center hole size.
 Precise centering wouldn't be a big deal since you'd be dressing the wheel
 to profile in-place inherently centering i

 Dressing in-place is likely to be non-trivial with no Y axis. He would
 need to add a manual axis to move the dressing point (and fill his
 machine with corundum in the process).

 However, I think that the motors swivel? So dressing might not be required.


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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 Usually you slide the block with the diamond dresser across the table
 against a guide, or some reference plane that matches what you expect your
 table to be. On a surface grinder you would hold the dresser on your mag
 chuck and move the cross feed axis, but there are other setups and some
 dresser holders that have built in cross slides.



One thing to keep in mind, the table is only 3/4 wide.  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Something of Interest

2014-11-19 Thread alex chiosso
Hi Rick.
It looks good as field I/O using the Modbus Protcol (with Classic Ladder
I/O scanning or mb2hal component as well) .
The price is pretty good for the US market and it is industrial grade
hardware fully certified.

Alex

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Rick Lair r...@superiorroll.com wrote:

 Not sure if this compatible or not, but I was just perusing thru
 Automation Directs web page, and noticed this. Its new for them, and it
 looks interesting, and I would be willing to try it out for grins if it
 would work with Linuxcnc.



 http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Field_I-z-O/Protos_X_I-z-O


 Thanks


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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread pc
or some reference plane that matches what you expect your table to be


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Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 Usually you slide the block with the diamond dresser across the table
 against a guide, or some reference plane that matches what you expect your
 table to be. On a surface grinder you would hold the dresser on your mag
 chuck and move the cross feed axis, but there are other setups and some
 dresser holders that have built in cross slides.



One thing to keep in mind, the table is only 3/4 wide.  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

2014-11-19 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:11 AM, p...@wpnet.us wrote:

 or some reference plane that matches what you expect your table to be


That's the trick, idn't it?  ;-)  Take a look at the links to the pictures
I posted yesterday.

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Re: [Emc-users] Something of Interest

2014-11-19 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014, Rick Lair wrote:

 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 14:13:39 +
 From: Rick Lair r...@superiorroll.com
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Something of Interest
 
 Not sure if this compatible or not, but I was just perusing thru
 Automation Directs web page, and noticed this. Its new for them, and it
 looks interesting, and I would be willing to try it out for grins if it
 would work with Linuxcnc.



Since its modbus/tcp it should be possible to make it work maybe with 
mb2hal or classic ladder. One first thing to ask is whether there is register 
level data available for the modules.



 http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Field_I-z-O/Protos_X_I-z-O


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Re: [Emc-users] Running Mitsubishi Meldas DC servo motors with LinuxCNC

2014-11-19 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-11-19 7:11 GMT-03:00 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com:

 There is a manual of sorts here:

 http://www.meau.com/functions/dms/getfile.asp?ID=0100010046500
 but I am not sure that it answers the important questions.


Thanks as always Andy!. There's an interesting section there about how to
tune the parameters using the presets on the driver. I think I saw
something like that in one of the PDFs that I have, I don't know if it's
the same. I hope I don't have to touch any of that, since the mayority of
those parameters are factory set up.



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Re: [Emc-users] Running Mitsubishi Meldas DC servo motors with LinuxCNC

2014-11-19 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-11-19 10:26 GMT-03:00 Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net:

 this thread has a reverse-engineered pinout for ZP1.

 http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mazak-mitsubishi-mazatrol/77549-mitsubishi-tra41-servo-drives-interface-help-please-2.html

 as you might have expected, it looks like the amp is analog velocity
 input.
 http://innovative-rc.com/tra41.jpg

 Andy's PDF shows resolver feedback.

 Both Mesa and Pico have solutions for analog servo amp + resolver
 feedback that work nicely with LinuxCNC.


That forum discussion pretty much solves all my doubts. It seems the driver
uses tacho generation to close the speed loop within itself, and the only
signals I need to replace are the analog voltage for the velocity command
and some of the ready and fault signals to make it work. Also the pin
information is a great help to start testing.

I'm not sure about one thing in the pictures of my drivers and it's the
fact that there's a connection between the two of them, I'm going to see if
I can find out something on my PDFs but I'm not sure about what that might
be for.

I'm planning on use the resolvers as you suggested since they work really
great and also everything is already mounted so practically I don't have to
touch anything of the mechanical units.

I hope I can do some testing soon because replacing the original control
will give me a lot of new functionalities.

Thanks Jeff for info!


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[Emc-users] השב: Emc-users Digest, Vol 103, Issue 45

2014-11-19 Thread Jacob
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נשלח באמצעות מכשיר ה LG שלי

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   3. Re: Screw Mapping (p...@wpnet.us)
   4. Re: Screw Mapping (Mark Wendt)
   5. Re: Latest Linux Build (Dave Cole)
   6. Re: Screw Mapping (p...@wpnet.us)
   7. Re: Screw Mapping (Mark Wendt)
   8. Re: Running Mitsubishi Meldas DC servo motors with LinuxCNC
  (Jeff Epler)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:11:28 +
From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running Mitsubishi Meldas DC servo motors
   withLinuxCNC
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
   emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Message-ID:
   can1+yzxmm+fgnanz+81u2y37t3poomnue0bvz1zqgd1qeai...@mail.gmail.com
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On 19 November 2014 01:05, Leonardo Marsaglia
leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://imageshack.com/a/img537/5573/lgfKjB.jpg

Google images suggests it is a Mazatrol TRA31
http://www.dubuque-forsale.com/OLD-ADS-FROM-PREVIOUS-YEARS/2007/June/Mitsubishi-meldas-mazatrol-tra-31A-31-servo-drive-TRA31.php

There is a manual of sorts here:
http://www.meau.com/functions/dms/getfile.asp?ID=0100010046500
but I am not sure that it answers the important questions.


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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:02:16 +
From: Rick Lair r...@superiorroll.com
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Latest Linux Build
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Message-ID: em4a6f5028-2e6b-493e-bb29-4b2732cf4ce5@ricks-desktop
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8

I would rather use the din rail mounts, but they are orientated 90 
degrees off of how I mount the boards, or so it looks like on the mesa 
web page.


Thanks


Rick






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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:20:13 -0600
From: p...@wpnet.us
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Message-ID: 5839088738.20141119062...@mail.wpnet.us
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=iso-8859-1

Is there a way to clamp a sander or similar to the head for use in flattening? 
A solid clamping and a series of light cuts ought to flatten to match the axis.


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To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 10:56:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:32 AM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:


 On 11/18/2014 06:45 AM, Mark Wendt wrote:
  Stuart,
 
  I have no tooling plates in use now.  ;-)
 
  Mark
 
 
 Hi Mark,

 I don't know if the site is still active but Les Watts used an
 interesting compensation
 scheme for his router. Something about a cam on a tensioned wire IIRC.

 Being an old curmudgeon ( is that redundant?) I just have to ask what
 the precision
 of the process is if the bed were perfect?
 Maybe I envision the tooling plate incorrectly but why wouldn't  one
 that was simply
 flat do. After all you do have a controllable Z axis.

 Despite claims by various people about resolution to .01 mm or so it
 still comes
 down to the accuracy and precision of the process.

 On another tangent I wonder about using a polynomial (curve fit) but
 with the number of inflections points you have it may be pretty high
 order. Linear interp instead of a continuous function may still be best.
 This is the kind of thing that starts email wars. ;-)

 Best wishes however you decide to cure the problem.

 Dave



Dave,

If the bed were perfect, I wouldn't need a correction factor for the Z
axis.  ;-)  I need to keep the finished cross-section to + or - .001 at
each 1 X station.

I'd have to rebuild the machine to use some kind of tooling plate.  The
table is actually my vacuum hold-down.  I have no way to cut the table
flat using the machine itself, unlike a router.  The cutting head is made
up of two saw blades held at an included angle of 60 degrees, with the
point of the V at the bottom.

I've tried to flatten the bed by filing, sanding, etc, but the problem is,
I really have no reference to the cutting head.  That's how I end up with
being 2 or 3 thou low in one area, 3 or 4 thou high in other areas and 

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2014-11-19 Thread Jacob
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  (andy pugh)
   2. Re: Latest Linux Build (Rick Lair)
   3. Re: Screw Mapping (p...@wpnet.us)
   4. Re: Screw Mapping (Mark Wendt)
   5. Re: Latest Linux Build (Dave Cole)
   6. Re: Screw Mapping (p...@wpnet.us)
   7. Re: Screw Mapping (Mark Wendt)
   8. Re: Running Mitsubishi Meldas DC servo motors with LinuxCNC
  (Jeff Epler)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:11:28 +
From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running Mitsubishi Meldas DC servo motors
   withLinuxCNC
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
   emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Message-ID:
   can1+yzxmm+fgnanz+81u2y37t3poomnue0bvz1zqgd1qeai...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

On 19 November 2014 01:05, Leonardo Marsaglia
leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://imageshack.com/a/img537/5573/lgfKjB.jpg

Google images suggests it is a Mazatrol TRA31
http://www.dubuque-forsale.com/OLD-ADS-FROM-PREVIOUS-YEARS/2007/June/Mitsubishi-meldas-mazatrol-tra-31A-31-servo-drive-TRA31.php

There is a manual of sorts here:
http://www.meau.com/functions/dms/getfile.asp?ID=0100010046500
but I am not sure that it answers the important questions.


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:02:16 +
From: Rick Lair r...@superiorroll.com
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Latest Linux Build
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Message-ID: em4a6f5028-2e6b-493e-bb29-4b2732cf4ce5@ricks-desktop
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8

I would rather use the din rail mounts, but they are orientated 90 
degrees off of how I mount the boards, or so it looks like on the mesa 
web page.


Thanks


Rick






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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:20:13 -0600
From: p...@wpnet.us
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Message-ID: 5839088738.20141119062...@mail.wpnet.us
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=iso-8859-1

Is there a way to clamp a sander or similar to the head for use in flattening? 
A solid clamping and a series of light cuts ought to flatten to match the axis.


--Original Mail--
From: Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 10:56:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Screw Mapping

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:32 AM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote:


 On 11/18/2014 06:45 AM, Mark Wendt wrote:
  Stuart,
 
  I have no tooling plates in use now.  ;-)
 
  Mark
 
 
 Hi Mark,

 I don't know if the site is still active but Les Watts used an
 interesting compensation
 scheme for his router. Something about a cam on a tensioned wire IIRC.

 Being an old curmudgeon ( is that redundant?) I just have to ask what
 the precision
 of the process is if the bed were perfect?
 Maybe I envision the tooling plate incorrectly but why wouldn't  one
 that was simply
 flat do. After all you do have a controllable Z axis.

 Despite claims by various people about resolution to .01 mm or so it
 still comes
 down to the accuracy and precision of the process.

 On another tangent I wonder about using a polynomial (curve fit) but
 with the number of inflections points you have it may be pretty high
 order. Linear interp instead of a continuous function may still be best.
 This is the kind of thing that starts email wars. ;-)

 Best wishes however you decide to cure the problem.

 Dave



Dave,

If the bed were perfect, I wouldn't need a correction factor for the Z
axis.  ;-)  I need to keep the finished cross-section to + or - .001 at
each 1 X station.

I'd have to rebuild the machine to use some kind of tooling plate.  The
table is actually my vacuum hold-down.  I have no way to cut the table
flat using the machine itself, unlike a router.  The cutting head is made
up of two saw blades held at an included angle of 60 degrees, with the
point of the V at the bottom.

I've tried to flatten the bed by filing, sanding, etc, but the problem is,
I really have no reference to the cutting head.  That's how I end up with
being 2 or 3 thou low in one area, 3 or 4 thou high in other 

Re: [Emc-users] Motor Resolvers

2014-11-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 11/19/2014 03:53 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 19 November 2014 03:43, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:

 I have also sold over 100 of the Pico Systems resolver to
 quadrature converter board.
 They can be used with any system that needs a quadrature
 encoder signal.
 It should also be possible to use this with the bldc HAL component
 to synthesize Hall sensor signals for a drive that requires them (or
 direct phase amplitudes)

The problem is as our resolver converter is, NOW, it only 
produces quadrature
plus index.  So, until the motor is moved to the index 
position, there would be
no absolute angle indication for commutation.  The AD chip 
gives absolute
angle output which we bring out to a header, so an 
additional board could
be put in to generate the commutation signals from that.  
But, it would need
to know the number of motor poles and the angular offset.  
So, such a board
hasn't been designed.  If enough people needed such a 
feature, we could come
up with it.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Motor Resolvers

2014-11-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 November 2014 17:21, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:
 The problem is as our resolver converter is, NOW, it only
 produces quadrature
 plus index.
...
 But, it would need
 to know the number of motor poles and the angular offset.

The bldc component can handle that. There an indifferently-effective
magnetic homing mode that can get an accurate position the first time
it sees an index, and the component takes parameters for motor pole
count and index offset.

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Re: [Emc-users] Something of Interest

2014-11-19 Thread Rick Lair
I already use a lot of mesa components, I just received an over 25 piece 
order from them, and Mesa is definitely cheaper than these are.

I just threw them out there, I was doing a little shopping, and saw 
these scroll across their page.

Out of curiosity though, Peter, could these be connected to the 7I44?


Thanks


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Re: [Emc-users] Motor Resolvers

2014-11-19 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Andy
What interface board would you typically use with the bldc component? 
Not the parport I assume.

On 2014-11-19 19:26, andy pugh wrote:
 On 19 November 2014 17:21, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:
 The problem is as our resolver converter is, NOW, it only
 produces quadrature
 plus index.
 ...
 But, it would need
 to know the number of motor poles and the angular offset.
 The bldc component can handle that. There an indifferently-effective
 magnetic homing mode that can get an accurate position the first time
 it sees an index, and the component takes parameters for motor pole
 count and index offset.


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Re: [Emc-users] Motor Resolvers

2014-11-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 November 2014 19:15, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:

 What interface board would you typically use with the bldc component?
 Not the parport I assume.

It has been done, there is a Youtube video of someone running Fanuc
Red-cap motors from the parport.

The only reason not to are the usual problems with encoder counting
speed. The component only ever runs in the servo thread regardless of
interface hardware.

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[Emc-users] i guess i need a new motherboard for new linuxcnc

2014-11-19 Thread kqt4at5v
Can you all recommend a basic motherboard that is know to work with 
LinuxCNC running a parallel controller? Thanks.

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Re: [Emc-users] i guess i need a new motherboard for new linuxcnc

2014-11-19 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
I'm using the M5A78LM LX V2 model from ASUS with AMD processor and behaves
really great. Good latency results, although I'm using hardware for steps
generation.

I don't know if the same version is still on sale, may be there are newer
versions of the same mother called V3 or so.




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[Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Sven Wesley
Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I moved to
the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut down and
closed until I decide to move back.

It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little bit
complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like Alumek) as the
quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or two I
believe.

Anyone here interested in doing this little project?
I can prepare the mold layout, I can generate the tool paths too.

Regards,
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Re: [Emc-users] i guess i need a new motherboard for new linuxcnc

2014-11-19 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:

 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:52:36 -0600 (CST)
 From: kqt4a...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] i guess i need a new motherboard for new linuxcnc
 
 Can you all recommend a basic motherboard that is know to work with
 LinuxCNC running a parallel controller? Thanks.

 Richard

The J1800,J1900,J2900 based motherboards work well with the latest Wheezy ISO
(these are fanless, relatively fast (2x Atom) and low latency)




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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Joseph Chiu
If you are in the San Francisco Bay area, inquire at Techshop.  They have a
vertical IM machine suitable for small shots.
On Nov 19, 2014 12:10 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
 I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I moved to
 the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut down and
 closed until I decide to move back.

 It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little bit
 complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like Alumek) as the
 quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or two I
 believe.

 Anyone here interested in doing this little project?
 I can prepare the mold layout, I can generate the tool paths too.

 Regards,
 Sven

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread a k
hi
you can check on thomas register for plastic injection molding shops
WTZO=Find+Supplierssearchx=truewhat=injection+molding+Submit.x=0Submit.y=0Submit=Search
http://www.thomasnet.com/products/injection-molding-custom-96014733-1.html

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
 I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I moved to
 the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut down and
 closed until I decide to move back.

 It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little bit
 complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like Alumek) as the
 quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or two I
 believe.

 Anyone here interested in doing this little project?
 I can prepare the mold layout, I can generate the tool paths too.

 Regards,
 Sven

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Ralph Stirling
Are you looking for someone to make the mold, do the molding, or both?

I know a local guy who is good for small runs of molded parts, but he isn't
equipped to make very complex molds (2.5D cnc, manual milling and turning,
sinker EDM).  He uses a lot of aluminum molds.

-- Ralph

From: Sven Wesley [svenne.d...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:06 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I moved to
the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut down and
closed until I decide to move back.

It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little bit
complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like Alumek) as the
quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or two I
believe.

Anyone here interested in doing this little project?
I can prepare the mold layout, I can generate the tool paths too.

Regards,
Sven
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Sven Wesley
I need both. 3D machining is needed.

/S

2014-11-19 21:38 GMT+01:00 Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu:

 Are you looking for someone to make the mold, do the molding, or both?

 I know a local guy who is good for small runs of molded parts, but he isn't
 equipped to make very complex molds (2.5D cnc, manual milling and turning,
 sinker EDM).  He uses a lot of aluminum molds.

 -- Ralph
 
 From: Sven Wesley [svenne.d...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:06 PM
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 Subject: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

 Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
 I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I moved to
 the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut down and
 closed until I decide to move back.

 It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little bit
 complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like Alumek) as the
 quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or two I
 believe.

 Anyone here interested in doing this little project?
 I can prepare the mold layout, I can generate the tool paths too.

 Regards,
 Sven

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Pete Matos
Sven,
Perhaps if you can post a photo of the part or the cad drawing people
could be able to give you a better idea of who and how to make it. It might
be able to be built in other ways as well but it sounds like you have a
good bit of knowledge in that arena. I see you have several MadCam videos
online that looks interesting have not seen or heard much about it. Peace

Pete


On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need both. 3D machining is needed.

 /S

 2014-11-19 21:38 GMT+01:00 Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu:

  Are you looking for someone to make the mold, do the molding, or both?
 
  I know a local guy who is good for small runs of molded parts, but he
 isn't
  equipped to make very complex molds (2.5D cnc, manual milling and
 turning,
  sinker EDM).  He uses a lot of aluminum molds.
 
  -- Ralph
  
  From: Sven Wesley [svenne.d...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:06 PM
  To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
  Subject: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?
 
  Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
  I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I moved
 to
  the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut down
 and
  closed until I decide to move back.
 
  It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little bit
  complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like Alumek) as
 the
  quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or two I
  believe.
 
  Anyone here interested in doing this little project?
  I can prepare the mold layout, I can generate the tool paths too.
 
  Regards,
  Sven
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Sven Wesley
Hi Pete,

This part requires injection molding and a UV-resistant plastic. I would
like to do it in PC due to it's durable properties but that's a tough
plastic to work with so I'm willing to use something else, PET would
probably work too.

I do have some knowledge. My workshop has injection moulders and several
CNC machines for mold making.
MadCAM is a plugin for Rhino 3D that can make everything up to 5 axis
simultaneous. The LinuxCNC Post processor included in the application is my
fault. :)
It's not for free though, but compared to the other competitors I think
there is no one who can compete with the features in that price range. And
the lead developer is a well experienced guy in tooling so he is not just a
programmer, he has both an injection molding company and a tooling workshop
under his wings. I would guess 15 employees doing this kind of things all
day long. Unfortunately this project is a bit too small for them in
quantity figures.



2014-11-20 0:43 GMT+01:00 Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com:

 Sven,
 Perhaps if you can post a photo of the part or the cad drawing people
 could be able to give you a better idea of who and how to make it. It might
 be able to be built in other ways as well but it sounds like you have a
 good bit of knowledge in that arena. I see you have several MadCam videos
 online that looks interesting have not seen or heard much about it. Peace

 Pete


 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I need both. 3D machining is needed.
 
  /S
 
  2014-11-19 21:38 GMT+01:00 Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu
 :
 
   Are you looking for someone to make the mold, do the molding, or both?
  
   I know a local guy who is good for small runs of molded parts, but he
  isn't
   equipped to make very complex molds (2.5D cnc, manual milling and
  turning,
   sinker EDM).  He uses a lot of aluminum molds.
  
   -- Ralph
   
   From: Sven Wesley [svenne.d...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:06 PM
   To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
   Subject: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?
  
   Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
   I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I
 moved
  to
   the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut down
  and
   closed until I decide to move back.
  
   It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little
 bit
   complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like Alumek) as
  the
   quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or two I
   believe.
  
   Anyone here interested in doing this little project?
   I can prepare the mold layout, I can generate the tool paths too.
  
   Regards,
   Sven
  
  
 
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Ron Ginger
Try John Oly at seemecnc.com. They sell 3D printers, but got into it 
because they have a good injection molding ability. they have mentioned 
that they can make short run tooling quickly.

ron ginger

On 11/19/2014 7:25 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I moved to
the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut down and
closed until I decide to move back.


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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Pete Matos
Sven,
 Thanks for the well thought out explanation I have not seen much of
MadCam maybe I need to investigate further. Good luck in your search.  If
you had needed the part machined from solid stock I may have been able to
help but I do not have plastic injection molding capabilities her. Good
luck in your search. Peace

Pete


On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Pete,

 This part requires injection molding and a UV-resistant plastic. I would
 like to do it in PC due to it's durable properties but that's a tough
 plastic to work with so I'm willing to use something else, PET would
 probably work too.

 I do have some knowledge. My workshop has injection moulders and several
 CNC machines for mold making.
 MadCAM is a plugin for Rhino 3D that can make everything up to 5 axis
 simultaneous. The LinuxCNC Post processor included in the application is my
 fault. :)
 It's not for free though, but compared to the other competitors I think
 there is no one who can compete with the features in that price range. And
 the lead developer is a well experienced guy in tooling so he is not just a
 programmer, he has both an injection molding company and a tooling workshop
 under his wings. I would guess 15 employees doing this kind of things all
 day long. Unfortunately this project is a bit too small for them in
 quantity figures.



 2014-11-20 0:43 GMT+01:00 Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com:

  Sven,
  Perhaps if you can post a photo of the part or the cad drawing people
  could be able to give you a better idea of who and how to make it. It
 might
  be able to be built in other ways as well but it sounds like you have a
  good bit of knowledge in that arena. I see you have several MadCam videos
  online that looks interesting have not seen or heard much about it. Peace
 
  Pete
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   I need both. 3D machining is needed.
  
   /S
  
   2014-11-19 21:38 GMT+01:00 Ralph Stirling 
 ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu
  :
  
Are you looking for someone to make the mold, do the molding, or
 both?
   
I know a local guy who is good for small runs of molded parts, but he
   isn't
equipped to make very complex molds (2.5D cnc, manual milling and
   turning,
sinker EDM).  He uses a lot of aluminum molds.
   
-- Ralph

From: Sven Wesley [svenne.d...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:06 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?
   
Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I
  moved
   to
the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut
 down
   and
closed until I decide to move back.
   
It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little
  bit
complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like Alumek)
 as
   the
quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or two
 I
believe.
   
Anyone here interested in doing this little project?
I can prepare the mold layout, I can generate the tool paths too.
   
Regards,
Sven
   
   
  
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Running Mitsubishi Meldas DC servo motors with LinuxCNC

2014-11-19 Thread robert - Innovative-RC
hi
looks the same servos as on the M0 which is a machine i retrofitted, its 
a Mill but the same deal check the linuxcnc forum i put alot of info 
on the drives on there when we did our retrofit with the old DC servo 
drives...


if you need to know anything else let me know ill try and help the best 
i can...

what is the melda control model? or more so what are the servo drive 
numbers i might have a manual of sorts

rob

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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Tux Lab
Hi Sven,

Where are you located? What kind of milling machine were you
controlling with LinuxCNC?   I am sort of meandering my way toward
setting up a domestic manufacturing cooperative and am contemplating
building a LinuxCNC control milling machine.We are also sort of
working our way toward getting a small 25 ton injection molding
machine up and running.

If you are near by, is building a LinuxCNC control mill something you
are interested in?

thanks,
John
tux-lab.com

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Pete,

 This part requires injection molding and a UV-resistant plastic. I would
 like to do it in PC due to it's durable properties but that's a tough
 plastic to work with so I'm willing to use something else, PET would
 probably work too.

 I do have some knowledge. My workshop has injection moulders and several
 CNC machines for mold making.
 MadCAM is a plugin for Rhino 3D that can make everything up to 5 axis
 simultaneous. The LinuxCNC Post processor included in the application is my
 fault. :)
 It's not for free though, but compared to the other competitors I think
 there is no one who can compete with the features in that price range. And
 the lead developer is a well experienced guy in tooling so he is not just a
 programmer, he has both an injection molding company and a tooling workshop
 under his wings. I would guess 15 employees doing this kind of things all
 day long. Unfortunately this project is a bit too small for them in
 quantity figures.



 2014-11-20 0:43 GMT+01:00 Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com:

 Sven,
 Perhaps if you can post a photo of the part or the cad drawing people
 could be able to give you a better idea of who and how to make it. It might
 be able to be built in other ways as well but it sounds like you have a
 good bit of knowledge in that arena. I see you have several MadCam videos
 online that looks interesting have not seen or heard much about it. Peace

 Pete


 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I need both. 3D machining is needed.
 
  /S
 
  2014-11-19 21:38 GMT+01:00 Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu
 :
 
   Are you looking for someone to make the mold, do the molding, or both?
  
   I know a local guy who is good for small runs of molded parts, but he
  isn't
   equipped to make very complex molds (2.5D cnc, manual milling and
  turning,
   sinker EDM).  He uses a lot of aluminum molds.
  
   -- Ralph
   
   From: Sven Wesley [svenne.d...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:06 PM
   To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
   Subject: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?
  
   Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
   I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I
 moved
  to
   the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut down
  and
   closed until I decide to move back.
  
   It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little
 bit
   complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like Alumek) as
  the
   quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or two I
   believe.
  
   Anyone here interested in doing this little project?
   I can prepare the mold layout, I can generate the tool paths too.
  
   Regards,
   Sven
  
  
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Running Mitsubishi Meldas DC servo motors with LinuxCNC

2014-11-19 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2014-11-19 21:44 GMT-03:00 robert - Innovative-RC rob...@innovative-rc.com
:

 hi
 looks the same servos as on the M0 which is a machine i retrofitted, its
 a Mill but the same deal check the linuxcnc forum i put alot of info
 on the drives on there when we did our retrofit with the old DC servo
 drives...


 if you need to know anything else let me know ill try and help the best
 i can...

 what is the melda control model? or more so what are the servo drive
 numbers i might have a manual of sorts

 rob


Hello Rob and thanks for your interest in helping me!

I was trying to find your posts on the forum but there are so many that I
can't. Can you point me to the post if you remember the name of it? or may
be your user name on the forum?.

The control of the machine is a Mazatrol T1. The servo motors are
Mitsubishi, and the drives are Meldas. The servo drives model numbers are
TRA-31A and TRA-41A.

The main concern for me is how to set up the connection to run the drives
with LinuxCNC. From what I could read, it seems that if I let everything as
it is, and run the drives with the ready signals and the analog voltage for
the velocity they should turn. The tachos will be telling to the drives the
actual speed and I would only have to close the loop on LinuxCNC using the
resolvers. I guess it's not more difficult than that. But I would love to
hear suggestions!



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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Sven Wesley
I'm located in the far far West. Hawaii.

@John:
I have a 50 ton injection molder and I started making a new one but smaller
that I was going to control with an Arduino.
The CNC machines are one bug steel frame router table and a retrofitted
operation center. Both are servo driven.
I would love to help but I guess you are on mainland.

@Ron:
Thanks for the tip, will look into that.

/S


2014-11-20 2:53 GMT+01:00 Tux Lab project.tux...@gmail.com:

 Hi Sven,

 Where are you located? What kind of milling machine were you
 controlling with LinuxCNC?   I am sort of meandering my way toward
 setting up a domestic manufacturing cooperative and am contemplating
 building a LinuxCNC control milling machine.We are also sort of
 working our way toward getting a small 25 ton injection molding
 machine up and running.

 If you are near by, is building a LinuxCNC control mill something you
 are interested in?

 thanks,
 John
 tux-lab.com


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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread jrmitchellj .
Where are you located?

Ray

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On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Tux Lab project.tux...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sven,

 Where are you located? What kind of milling machine were you
 controlling with LinuxCNC?   I am sort of meandering my way toward
 setting up a domestic manufacturing cooperative and am contemplating
 building a LinuxCNC control milling machine.We are also sort of
 working our way toward getting a small 25 ton injection molding
 machine up and running.

 If you are near by, is building a LinuxCNC control mill something you
 are interested in?

 thanks,
 John
 tux-lab.com

 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi Pete,
 
  This part requires injection molding and a UV-resistant plastic. I would
  like to do it in PC due to it's durable properties but that's a tough
  plastic to work with so I'm willing to use something else, PET would
  probably work too.
 
  I do have some knowledge. My workshop has injection moulders and several
  CNC machines for mold making.
  MadCAM is a plugin for Rhino 3D that can make everything up to 5 axis
  simultaneous. The LinuxCNC Post processor included in the application is
 my
  fault. :)
  It's not for free though, but compared to the other competitors I think
  there is no one who can compete with the features in that price range.
 And
  the lead developer is a well experienced guy in tooling so he is not
 just a
  programmer, he has both an injection molding company and a tooling
 workshop
  under his wings. I would guess 15 employees doing this kind of things all
  day long. Unfortunately this project is a bit too small for them in
  quantity figures.
 
 
 
  2014-11-20 0:43 GMT+01:00 Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com:
 
  Sven,
  Perhaps if you can post a photo of the part or the cad drawing
 people
  could be able to give you a better idea of who and how to make it. It
 might
  be able to be built in other ways as well but it sounds like you have a
  good bit of knowledge in that arena. I see you have several MadCam
 videos
  online that looks interesting have not seen or heard much about it.
 Peace
 
  Pete
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   I need both. 3D machining is needed.
  
   /S
  
   2014-11-19 21:38 GMT+01:00 Ralph Stirling 
 ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu
  :
  
Are you looking for someone to make the mold, do the molding, or
 both?
   
I know a local guy who is good for small runs of molded parts, but
 he
   isn't
equipped to make very complex molds (2.5D cnc, manual milling and
   turning,
sinker EDM).  He uses a lot of aluminum molds.
   
-- Ralph

From: Sven Wesley [svenne.d...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:06 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?
   
Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I
  moved
   to
the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut
 down
   and
closed until I decide to move back.
   
It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little
  bit
complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like
 Alumek) as
   the
quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or
 two I
believe.
   
Anyone here interested in doing this little project?
I can prepare the mold layout, I can generate the tool paths too.
   
Regards,
Sven
   
   
  
 
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: US member doing injection molding?

2014-11-19 Thread Gregg Eshelman
 On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:10 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

  Anyone of our members making plastic parts?
 I have a small piece I want to make a few hundreds of, but since I moved to
 the US I have no access to a workshop and my own workshop is shut down and
 closed until I decide to move back.
 
 It's an end cap to a mirror mount, transparent, not big but a little bit
 complex shape. I would have made the tool in aluminium (like Alumek) as the
 quantity will not be super high. Less than 1000 within a year or two I
 believe.


How about resin casting? http://partsbyemc.com/pub/mold-making.htm

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