Re: [Emc-users] Mini-ITX PD12ri horrible jitter

[Andy Howell]

On 2/11/22 18:19, andy pugh wrote:

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 00:07, Andy Howell  wrote:


   Its no pretty. Jitter is about 8. I had a look through bios
settings, but nothing jumped out at me.

Any ideas to improve it?

Which realtime system did you use? (at a guess, preempt-rt?)

Are you planning to use the parallel port? If not, then 80k is usable.

It _might_ be SMI. Is the latency generally good, with a regular crazy
excursion?
Try "latency-plot" from the command line to check this. If you see a
periodic spike every 64 seconds, then SMI is likely, but that
generally is a lot worse than 80k.


I was using prempt-rt. Yes, I'm using a parallel port. I did try the 
latency plot. I didn't see anything strictly periodic. I installed the 
RTAI kernel, but I think I have to get the matching LinuxCNC build. I 
will sort that out tomorrow. Thanks for your help.







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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-ITX PD12ri horrible jitter

[andy pugh]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 00:07, Andy Howell  wrote:

>   Its no pretty. Jitter is about 8. I had a look through bios
> settings, but nothing jumped out at me.
>
> Any ideas to improve it?

Which realtime system did you use? (at a guess, preempt-rt?)

Are you planning to use the parallel port? If not, then 80k is usable.

It _might_ be SMI. Is the latency generally good, with a regular crazy
excursion?
Try "latency-plot" from the command line to check this. If you see a
periodic spike every 64 seconds, then SMI is likely, but that
generally is a lot worse than 80k.


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[Emc-users] Mini-ITX PD12ri horrible jitter

[Andy Howell]

I installed LinuxCNC 2.8.0 iso. on this:

https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/

 Its no pretty. Jitter is about 8. I had a look through bios 
settings, but nothing jumped out at me.


Any ideas to improve it?

Thanks.



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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Andy Howell]

On 2/4/22 22:15, John Dammeyer wrote:

From: Andy Howell [mailto:a...@gamubaru.com]
Thanks, I will keep that in mind for future projects. Performance is not
really an issue for the CNC routers. 90% is what we cut is 0.062 or
0.090 aluminum sheet with 1/8" endmills. Can't take very aggressive cuts
with those. I might go for the Rpi for the tiny CNC we want to retrofit.
Not even sure what motors it has. Its been sitting in the corner under a
plastic sheet, waiting for me to find a roundtoit.
  
  
Here you go:

A Round Tuit Pinback Button to help you find your motivation image 1


Exactly what I needed. :) But now I don't have an excuse :(





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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

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On Friday, February 4, 2022 10:58:00 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:
> On 2/4/22 13:06, Chris Albertson wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 4:25 PM Andy Howell  wrote:
> >> Starting from scratch, I would likely stay away from parallel ports.
> >> Our current CNC router's controller uses the parallel port, so that
> >> is what I have to go with.
> > 
> > Buy an Ethernet Interfaced Mesa board for $89 and it has a DB25
> > connector on the back that works just like a parallel port.
> > 
> > Then you can connect that DB25 to your $10 Chinese breakout board.
> > 
> >   Basically, it is an Ethernet to Parallel port bridge, but what you
> >   end up> 
> > with for the $89 is two parallel parts that have *much* better
> > performance than a real parallel port.
> > 
> > The Mesa card would be a significant performance upgrade while still
> > allowing the CNC machine to keep its existing 25-pin parallel cable. 
> > Also it opens up the option to use any computer, even if it does not
> > have a built-in parallel port.   A $35 Raspberry Pi could even work
> > (but you'd be better off with any of those cheap Intel boards that
> > have two Ethernet ports.   Or I'm sure you can find an older PC in
> > someone's junk pile
> Thanks, I will keep that in mind for future projects. Performance is
> not really an issue for the CNC routers. 90% is what we cut is 0.062
> or 0.090 aluminum sheet with 1/8" endmills. Can't take very aggressive
> cuts with those. I might go for the Rpi for the tiny CNC we want to
> retrofit. Not even sure what motors it has. Its been sitting in the
> corner under a plastic sheet, waiting for me to find a roundtoit.

Blatantly off topic: 
They sell those round tuits for about $15 on a good sturdy coffee cup at 
cafepress.

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Andy Howell]

On 2/4/22 13:06, Chris Albertson wrote:

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 4:25 PM Andy Howell  wrote:


Starting from scratch, I would likely stay away from parallel ports. Our
current CNC router's controller uses the parallel port, so that is what
I have to go with.


Buy an Ethernet Interfaced Mesa board for $89 and it has a DB25 connector
on the back that works just like a parallel port.

Then you can connect that DB25 to your $10 Chinese breakout board.
  Basically, it is an Ethernet to Parallel port bridge, but what you end up
with for the $89 is two parallel parts that have *much* better performance
than a real parallel port.

The Mesa card would be a significant performance upgrade while still
allowing the CNC machine to keep its existing 25-pin parallel cable.  Also
it opens up the option to use any computer, even if it does not have a
built-in parallel port.   A $35 Raspberry Pi could even work (but you'd be
better off with any of those cheap Intel boards that have two Ethernet
ports.   Or I'm sure you can find an older PC in someone's junk pile


Thanks, I will keep that in mind for future projects. Performance is not 
really an issue for the CNC routers. 90% is what we cut is 0.062 or 
0.090 aluminum sheet with 1/8" endmills. Can't take very aggressive cuts 
with those. I might go for the Rpi for the tiny CNC we want to retrofit. 
Not even sure what motors it has. Its been sitting in the corner under a 
plastic sheet, waiting for me to find a roundtoit.








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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Chris Albertson]

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 4:25 PM Andy Howell  wrote:

>
> Starting from scratch, I would likely stay away from parallel ports. Our
> current CNC router's controller uses the parallel port, so that is what
> I have to go with.


Buy an Ethernet Interfaced Mesa board for $89 and it has a DB25 connector
on the back that works just like a parallel port.

Then you can connect that DB25 to your $10 Chinese breakout board.
 Basically, it is an Ethernet to Parallel port bridge, but what you end up
with for the $89 is two parallel parts that have *much* better performance
than a real parallel port.

The Mesa card would be a significant performance upgrade while still
allowing the CNC machine to keep its existing 25-pin parallel cable.  Also
it opens up the option to use any computer, even if it does not have a
built-in parallel port.   A $35 Raspberry Pi could even work (but you'd be
better off with any of those cheap Intel boards that have two Ethernet
ports.   Or I'm sure you can find an older PC in someone's junk pile


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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Andy Howell]

On 2/3/22 00:43, Chris Albertson wrote:

I just looked around.   There seem to be many at this price point of just
under $200 that all have 6 Watt CPUs in them and several have parallel
ports. Anyways, sub-$20 Intell machines for industrial use seem to by
plentiful.  Much better then a Raspberry Pi for not much more

However if I were setting up a new system I'd not want a parallel port.
Ethernet seems to be better and many of these little mini-ITX boards have
two Ethernet ports on them, as I assume they are designed to be file
servers.


Starting from scratch, I would likely stay away from parallel ports. Our 
current CNC router's controller uses the parallel port, so that is what 
I have to go with. We have another tiny, maybe 18" square, CNC that was 
given to us for repair. When the robotic's season calms down I may look 
at retrofitting that. The stepper motor controller died and is no longer 
supported. Its a toy really, but it might be fun to play with. It would 
be good for the younger kids to learn on.



In actually I just bought one, kind of.  It is a Synology NAS with one of
these low-power quad core CPUs inside.  It does RAID and will hold all my
files with a 10 Watt CPU.  (I know it is nothing to to with LCNC, except
file storage.  I'm looking to consolidate storage and backup

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 6:44 PM gene heskett  wrote:


On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 9:08:01 PM EST Chris Albertson wrote:

I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large
size wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on
battery power.

It is good to look for low-power PCs if they are going to run all day,
every day.  The cost of power really adds up.  The bix Xeon powered HP
I use for development work costs maybe 12 cents an hour.  That is
about $400 at the end of the year.

The machine I use to power LCNC and my 3D printer is an Intel i5 and I
could justify downgrading it based on power-saving along.   I had not
realized there was such things at 6 Watt quad-cord Intel CPUs.

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Andy Howell  wrote:

On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:

I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so
I'm
trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.

Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?

Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets
are
changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same
reason.

ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6
core i5 on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent
stuff. Draws about 140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.

And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed
more data than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different
brand to replace it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing,
that you can get in warranty replacements by simply shipping the
bad one back with a photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't
do that, go down the list to the next vendor.

Gene,

It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?

Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.

https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/


There is however, one detail that would discourage me, its already EOL,
came out in q4-15, lifespan 4 years, so its approaching 2 years since
last shipped.

Where is the support, I never got that page to load.

Thanks,

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[andrew beck]

Anyone know of a seller in Asia or anywhere closer to new Zealand or aus?

I need a new computer

On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, 05:38 andy pugh,  wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 15:28, dave engvall  wrote:
>
> > At first glance it looks pretty good but lacks pci slots unless my eyes
> > have fully given out.
> > Ditto on disk interface.
>
> Assuming you mean  https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/
> It has 2 x SATA connectors and 1 x PCIe (so a Mesa 6i25 would fit)
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[dave engvall]

Yep! Brain dead, missed those.

Dave

On 2/3/22 8:33 AM, andy pugh wrote:

On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 15:28, dave engvall  wrote:


At first glance it looks pretty good but lacks pci slots unless my eyes
have fully given out.
Ditto on disk interface.

Assuming you mean  https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/
It has 2 x SATA connectors and 1 x PCIe (so a Mesa 6i25 would fit)





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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[andy pugh]

On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 15:28, dave engvall  wrote:

> At first glance it looks pretty good but lacks pci slots unless my eyes
> have fully given out.
> Ditto on disk interface.

Assuming you mean  https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/
It has 2 x SATA connectors and 1 x PCIe (so a Mesa 6i25 would fit)

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[dave engvall]

Greetings:
At first glance it looks pretty good but lacks pci slots unless my eyes 
have fully given out.
Ditto on disk interface. So unless the pport has a good EPP and 
therefore useful for 7i43 | USC | ppmc it is not a good deal. Just my 
tuppence.


Dave

On 2/2/22 10:43 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:

I just looked around.   There seem to be many at this price point of just
under $200 that all have 6 Watt CPUs in them and several have parallel
ports. Anyways, sub-$20 Intell machines for industrial use seem to by
plentiful.  Much better then a Raspberry Pi for not much more

However if I were setting up a new system I'd not want a parallel port.
Ethernet seems to be better and many of these little mini-ITX boards have
two Ethernet ports on them, as I assume they are designed to be file
servers.

In actually I just bought one, kind of.  It is a Synology NAS with one of
these low-power quad core CPUs inside.  It does RAID and will hold all my
files with a 10 Watt CPU.  (I know it is nothing to to with LCNC, except
file storage.  I'm looking to consolidate storage and backup

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 6:44 PM gene heskett  wrote:


On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 9:08:01 PM EST Chris Albertson wrote:

I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large
size wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on
battery power.

It is good to look for low-power PCs if they are going to run all day,
every day.  The cost of power really adds up.  The bix Xeon powered HP
I use for development work costs maybe 12 cents an hour.  That is
about $400 at the end of the year.

The machine I use to power LCNC and my 3D printer is an Intel i5 and I
could justify downgrading it based on power-saving along.   I had not
realized there was such things at 6 Watt quad-cord Intel CPUs.

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Andy Howell  wrote:

On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:

I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so
I'm
trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.

Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?

Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets
are
changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same
reason.

ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6
core i5 on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent
stuff. Draws about 140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.

And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed
more data than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different
brand to replace it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing,
that you can get in warranty replacements by simply shipping the
bad one back with a photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't
do that, go down the list to the next vendor.

Gene,

It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?

Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.

https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/


There is however, one detail that would discourage me, its already EOL,
came out in q4-15, lifespan 4 years, so its approaching 2 years since
last shipped.

Where is the support, I never got that page to load.

Thanks,

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

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On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 02:11, Chris Albertson  wrote:
>
> I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
> look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large size
> wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on battery power.

If I was shopping I think I would look at:
https://www.mini-itx.com/~JNF9U-2930
Which has a DC power jack on the motherboard and will run from 24V
system power. (no PicoPSU or similar needed)

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Chris Albertson]

I just looked around.   There seem to be many at this price point of just
under $200 that all have 6 Watt CPUs in them and several have parallel
ports. Anyways, sub-$20 Intell machines for industrial use seem to by
plentiful.  Much better then a Raspberry Pi for not much more

However if I were setting up a new system I'd not want a parallel port.
Ethernet seems to be better and many of these little mini-ITX boards have
two Ethernet ports on them, as I assume they are designed to be file
servers.

In actually I just bought one, kind of.  It is a Synology NAS with one of
these low-power quad core CPUs inside.  It does RAID and will hold all my
files with a 10 Watt CPU.  (I know it is nothing to to with LCNC, except
file storage.  I'm looking to consolidate storage and backup

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 6:44 PM gene heskett  wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 9:08:01 PM EST Chris Albertson wrote:
> > I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
> > look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large
> > size wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on
> > battery power.
> >
> > It is good to look for low-power PCs if they are going to run all day,
> > every day.  The cost of power really adds up.  The bix Xeon powered HP
> > I use for development work costs maybe 12 cents an hour.  That is
> > about $400 at the end of the year.
> >
> > The machine I use to power LCNC and my 3D printer is an Intel i5 and I
> > could justify downgrading it based on power-saving along.   I had not
> > realized there was such things at 6 Watt quad-cord Intel CPUs.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Andy Howell  wrote:
> > > On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:
> > > >> I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
> > > >> However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so
> > > >> I'm
> > > >> trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.
> > > >>
> > > >> Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?
> > > >
> > > > Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets
> > > > are
> > > > changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same
> > > > reason.
> > > >
> > > > ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6
> > > > core i5 on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent
> > > > stuff. Draws about 140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.
> > > >
> > > > And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed
> > > > more data than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different
> > > > brand to replace it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing,
> > > > that you can get in warranty replacements by simply shipping the
> > > > bad one back with a photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't
> > > > do that, go down the list to the next vendor.
> > >
> > > Gene,
> > >
> > > It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
> > > don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?
> > >
> > > Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.
> > >
> > > https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/
> > >
> There is however, one detail that would discourage me, its already EOL,
> came out in q4-15, lifespan 4 years, so its approaching 2 years since
> last shipped.
>
> Where is the support, I never got that page to load.
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Andy Howell]

On 2/2/22 22:38, Chris Albertson wrote:

About disk drives... We've all seen how a Linux Demo CD can boot and
run off the CD using RAM as a "fake" disk drive.   Tis is how all the Linux
installs are done or if you want to just try Linux and not write anything
to you hard drive.

It is also possible to boot from a network server, like you bot off a CDROM
and then run on the RAM disk.Then once running the PC can mount a disk
over the network and have access to any number of terabytes from a server.
  read/write speed is limit by the network cable to about 100 megabytes per
second buy that is very usable.

I think LCNC could be run this way, with no disk at all on the PC.

I used to work at a place that had many of the corporate desktop PCs
configured to run like that, with no internal storage at all.  You think it
might be slow but RAM-disks are even faster than SSDs by at least 10X.
  They are small but they only hold scratch files


Twenty five years ago I had a Sun Microsystems  machine like that. I had 
it on my kitchen table to read mail while I ate breakfast. Completely 
silent.




On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 8:25 PM Chris Albertson 
wrote:


They use a really tiny ATX power supply that convert the 12 volt input to
whatever the ATX pins are.   These things cost about $20   The power supply
is some small it is built into the cable
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Supply-Htpc-Mini-box-Mini-itx/


On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 7:32 PM Andy Howell  wrote:


I

On 2/2/22 20:08, Chris Albertson wrote:

I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large

size

wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on battery

power.

It is good to look for low-power PCs if they are going to run all day,
every day.  The cost of power really adds up.  The bix Xeon powered HP I
use for development work costs maybe 12 cents an hour.  That is about

$400

at the end of the year.

The machine I use to power LCNC and my 3D printer is an Intel i5 and I
could justify downgrading it based on power-saving along.   I had not
realized there was such things at 6 Watt quad-cord Intel CPUs.

Chris,

Its says it uses a ATX 24pin power supply. Hope that is right, I'd
rather not have rig up an external supply for it. Though I do have a
couple that would work.

Yeah, this will run 24/7. Like lights, the kids don't turn them off.

I had a bunch of development servers in room in my garage. Noise and
heat drove me to build the room.

Thanks,

Andy


On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Andy Howell  wrote:


On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:

I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so I'm
trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.

Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?


Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets are
changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same reason.

ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6 core

i5

on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent stuff. Draws

about

140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.

And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed more

data

than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different brand to replace
it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing, that you can get in
warranty replacements by simply shipping the bad one back with a
photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't do that, go down the

list to

the next vendor.


Gene,

It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?

Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.

https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/

Thanks,

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Andy Howell]

On 2/2/22 22:25, Chris Albertson wrote:

They use a really tiny ATX power supply that convert the 12 volt input to
whatever the ATX pins are.   These things cost about $20   The power supply
is some small it is built into the cable
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Supply-Htpc-Mini-box-Mini-itx/


On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 7:32 PM Andy Howell  wrote:


OK, I have another mini-itx box that uses a power supply like that. It 
was going to be a "carputer", but then I replaced my 20 year old van 
with a new one with fancy new electronics. So that project got set aside.


My existing case has a power supply, so I'll use that.

Looking at the manufacturer's web site, it does look like they are 
actively support them. Gene raised an issue there. I mailed the 
distributor. We'll see what they say.


I started down this route quite awhile ago because the version of Linux 
CNC supported by the manufacture (probotix.com) was ancient - 2.5. I 
wanted to customize it a bit and had trouble updating development 
libraries etc because it was so old.


If I ever get around to building my own CNC, I will not use parallel 
ports. Its only going to get harder to find mother boards with the ports.


Thanks,

Andy


I

On 2/2/22 20:08, Chris Albertson wrote:

I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large

size

wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on battery

power.

It is good to look for low-power PCs if they are going to run all day,
every day.  The cost of power really adds up.  The bix Xeon powered HP I
use for development work costs maybe 12 cents an hour.  That is about

$400

at the end of the year.

The machine I use to power LCNC and my 3D printer is an Intel i5 and I
could justify downgrading it based on power-saving along.   I had not
realized there was such things at 6 Watt quad-cord Intel CPUs.

Chris,

Its says it uses a ATX 24pin power supply. Hope that is right, I'd
rather not have rig up an external supply for it. Though I do have a
couple that would work.

Yeah, this will run 24/7. Like lights, the kids don't turn them off.

I had a bunch of development servers in room in my garage. Noise and
heat drove me to build the room.

Thanks,

Andy


On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Andy Howell  wrote:


On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:

I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so I'm
trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.

Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?


Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets are
changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same reason.

ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6 core

i5

on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent stuff. Draws

about

140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.

And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed more

data

than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different brand to replace
it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing, that you can get in
warranty replacements by simply shipping the bad one back with a
photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't do that, go down the list

to

the next vendor.


Gene,

It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?

Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.

https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/

Thanks,

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Chris Albertson]

About disk drives... We've all seen how a Linux Demo CD can boot and
run off the CD using RAM as a "fake" disk drive.   Tis is how all the Linux
installs are done or if you want to just try Linux and not write anything
to you hard drive.

It is also possible to boot from a network server, like you bot off a CDROM
and then run on the RAM disk.Then once running the PC can mount a disk
over the network and have access to any number of terabytes from a server.
 read/write speed is limit by the network cable to about 100 megabytes per
second buy that is very usable.

I think LCNC could be run this way, with no disk at all on the PC.

I used to work at a place that had many of the corporate desktop PCs
configured to run like that, with no internal storage at all.  You think it
might be slow but RAM-disks are even faster than SSDs by at least 10X.
 They are small but they only hold scratch files

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 8:25 PM Chris Albertson 
wrote:

> They use a really tiny ATX power supply that convert the 12 volt input to
> whatever the ATX pins are.   These things cost about $20   The power supply
> is some small it is built into the cable
> https://www.amazon.com/Power-Supply-Htpc-Mini-box-Mini-itx/
> 
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 7:32 PM Andy Howell  wrote:
>
>> I
>>
>> On 2/2/22 20:08, Chris Albertson wrote:
>> > I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
>> > look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large
>> size
>> > wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on battery
>> power.
>> >
>> > It is good to look for low-power PCs if they are going to run all day,
>> > every day.  The cost of power really adds up.  The bix Xeon powered HP I
>> > use for development work costs maybe 12 cents an hour.  That is about
>> $400
>> > at the end of the year.
>> >
>> > The machine I use to power LCNC and my 3D printer is an Intel i5 and I
>> > could justify downgrading it based on power-saving along.   I had not
>> > realized there was such things at 6 Watt quad-cord Intel CPUs.
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Its says it uses a ATX 24pin power supply. Hope that is right, I'd
>> rather not have rig up an external supply for it. Though I do have a
>> couple that would work.
>>
>> Yeah, this will run 24/7. Like lights, the kids don't turn them off.
>>
>> I had a bunch of development servers in room in my garage. Noise and
>> heat drove me to build the room.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Andy Howell  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:
>> >>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:
>>  I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
>>  However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so I'm
>>  trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.
>> 
>>  Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?
>> 
>> >>> Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets are
>> >>> changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same reason.
>> >>>
>> >>> ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6 core
>> i5
>> >>> on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent stuff. Draws
>> about
>> >>> 140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.
>> >>>
>> >>> And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed more
>> data
>> >>> than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different brand to replace
>> >>> it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing, that you can get in
>> >>> warranty replacements by simply shipping the bad one back with a
>> >>> photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't do that, go down the
>> list to
>> >>> the next vendor.
>> >>>
>> >> Gene,
>> >>
>> >> It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
>> >> don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?
>> >>
>> >> Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Andy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Chris Albertson]

They use a really tiny ATX power supply that convert the 12 volt input to
whatever the ATX pins are.   These things cost about $20   The power supply
is some small it is built into the cable
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Supply-Htpc-Mini-box-Mini-itx/


On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 7:32 PM Andy Howell  wrote:

> I
>
> On 2/2/22 20:08, Chris Albertson wrote:
> > I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
> > look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large
> size
> > wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on battery
> power.
> >
> > It is good to look for low-power PCs if they are going to run all day,
> > every day.  The cost of power really adds up.  The bix Xeon powered HP I
> > use for development work costs maybe 12 cents an hour.  That is about
> $400
> > at the end of the year.
> >
> > The machine I use to power LCNC and my 3D printer is an Intel i5 and I
> > could justify downgrading it based on power-saving along.   I had not
> > realized there was such things at 6 Watt quad-cord Intel CPUs.
>
> Chris,
>
> Its says it uses a ATX 24pin power supply. Hope that is right, I'd
> rather not have rig up an external supply for it. Though I do have a
> couple that would work.
>
> Yeah, this will run 24/7. Like lights, the kids don't turn them off.
>
> I had a bunch of development servers in room in my garage. Noise and
> heat drove me to build the room.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Andy Howell  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:
>  I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
>  However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so I'm
>  trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.
> 
>  Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?
> 
> >>> Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets are
> >>> changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same reason.
> >>>
> >>> ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6 core
> i5
> >>> on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent stuff. Draws
> about
> >>> 140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.
> >>>
> >>> And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed more
> data
> >>> than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different brand to replace
> >>> it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing, that you can get in
> >>> warranty replacements by simply shipping the bad one back with a
> >>> photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't do that, go down the list
> to
> >>> the next vendor.
> >>>
> >> Gene,
> >>
> >> It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
> >> don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?
> >>
> >> Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.
> >>
> >> https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Andy Howell]

On 2/2/22 20:41, gene heskett wrote:

There is however, one detail that would discourage me, its already EOL,
came out in q4-15, lifespan 4 years, so its approaching 2 years since
last shipped.

Where is the support, I never got that page to load.


Hmm, yeah that is worrying. I ordered it before I saw your message. Now 
I'm having second thoughts. I'll see see what the distributor has to 
say. I may cancel it.


I'm not to worried about support after it is up and running.

I had a SSD I configured awhile back. I was planning to upgrade, but hat 
never happened. There was some other fire to fight at the time, I forgot 
what.  At least I have Wheezy with 2.7.15 on it. That will get me back 
up a running. Once I get a new motherboard, I'll update to the latest.





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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Andy Howell]

I

On 2/2/22 20:08, Chris Albertson wrote:

I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large size
wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on battery power.

It is good to look for low-power PCs if they are going to run all day,
every day.  The cost of power really adds up.  The bix Xeon powered HP I
use for development work costs maybe 12 cents an hour.  That is about $400
at the end of the year.

The machine I use to power LCNC and my 3D printer is an Intel i5 and I
could justify downgrading it based on power-saving along.   I had not
realized there was such things at 6 Watt quad-cord Intel CPUs.


Chris,

Its says it uses a ATX 24pin power supply. Hope that is right, I'd 
rather not have rig up an external supply for it. Though I do have a 
couple that would work.


Yeah, this will run 24/7. Like lights, the kids don't turn them off.

I had a bunch of development servers in room in my garage. Noise and 
heat drove me to build the room.


Thanks,

Andy



On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Andy Howell  wrote:


On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:

I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so I'm
trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.

Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?


Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets are
changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same reason.

ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6 core i5
on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent stuff. Draws about
140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.

And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed more data
than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different brand to replace
it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing, that you can get in
warranty replacements by simply shipping the bad one back with a
photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't do that, go down the list to
the next vendor.


Gene,

It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?

Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.

https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/

Thanks,

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

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On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 9:08:01 PM EST Chris Albertson wrote:
> I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
> look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large
> size wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on
> battery power.
> 
> It is good to look for low-power PCs if they are going to run all day,
> every day.  The cost of power really adds up.  The bix Xeon powered HP
> I use for development work costs maybe 12 cents an hour.  That is
> about $400 at the end of the year.
> 
> The machine I use to power LCNC and my 3D printer is an Intel i5 and I
> could justify downgrading it based on power-saving along.   I had not
> realized there was such things at 6 Watt quad-cord Intel CPUs.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Andy Howell  wrote:
> > On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:
> > >> I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
> > >> However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so
> > >> I'm
> > >> trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.
> > >> 
> > >> Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?
> > > 
> > > Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets
> > > are
> > > changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same
> > > reason.
> > > 
> > > ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6
> > > core i5 on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent
> > > stuff. Draws about 140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.
> > > 
> > > And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed
> > > more data than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different
> > > brand to replace it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing,
> > > that you can get in warranty replacements by simply shipping the
> > > bad one back with a photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't
> > > do that, go down the list to the next vendor.
> > 
> > Gene,
> > 
> > It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
> > don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?
> > 
> > Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.
> > 
> > https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/
> > 
There is however, one detail that would discourage me, its already EOL, 
came out in q4-15, lifespan 4 years, so its approaching 2 years since 
last shipped.

Where is the support, I never got that page to load.
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Andy
> > 
> > 
> > 
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I followed that link.Wow, that is a good deal.  Especially when you
look at the power supply.   It uses a 12 volt barrel jack and a large size
wall-wort.   The CPU burns all of 6 Watts.It could run on battery power.

It is good to look for low-power PCs if they are going to run all day,
every day.  The cost of power really adds up.  The bix Xeon powered HP I
use for development work costs maybe 12 cents an hour.  That is about $400
at the end of the year.

The machine I use to power LCNC and my 3D printer is an Intel i5 and I
could justify downgrading it based on power-saving along.   I had not
realized there was such things at 6 Watt quad-cord Intel CPUs.


On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Andy Howell  wrote:

>
> On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:
> >> I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
> >> However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so I'm
> >> trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?
> >>
> > Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets are
> > changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same reason.
> >
> > ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6 core i5
> > on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent stuff. Draws about
> > 140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.
> >
> > And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed more data
> > than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different brand to replace
> > it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing, that you can get in
> > warranty replacements by simply shipping the bad one back with a
> > photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't do that, go down the list to
> > the next vendor.
> >
> Gene,
>
> It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
> don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?
>
> Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.
>
> https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
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On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 6:31:50 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:
> On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:
> >> I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
> >> However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so I'm
> >> trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.
> >> 
> >> Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?
> > 
> > Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets are
> > changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same reason.
> > 
> > ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6 core
> > i5 on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent stuff.
> > Draws about 140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.
> > 
> > And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed more
> > data than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different brand to
> > replace it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing, that you can
> > get in warranty replacements by simply shipping the bad one back
> > with a photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't do that, go down
> > the list to the next vendor.
> 
> Gene,
> 
> It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I
> don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?
> 
> Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.

And 2gigs will run LinuxCNC quite well if its latency is anything like 
the old atoms.

> https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/

Thanks for the link. 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Andy Howell]

On 2/2/22 16:31, gene heskett wrote:

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:

I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so I'm
trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.

Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?


Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets are
changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same reason.

ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6 core i5
on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent stuff. Draws about
140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.

And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed more data
than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different brand to replace
it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing, that you can get in
warranty replacements by simply shipping the bad one back with a
photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't do that, go down the list to
the next vendor.


Gene,

It looks like most of the Mini ITX boards have the cpu soldered in. I 
don't imagine I'd need a lot of memory. 2GB maybe?


Looks like this will do the trick. $200 with 2GB of memory.

https://www.onlogic.com/pd14ri/

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Andy Howell]

On 2/2/22 15:49, andy pugh wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 21:45, Andy Howell  wrote:


Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?

Where are you?

Try the board finder here:
https://www.mini-itx.com/store/category?type=motherboard

The left hand column lets you filter for p-port or p-port header at the bottom.
Don't select both, that returns nothing...


Andy,

    I'm in Austin Texas. I found that earlier but was not sure if they 
would work or not. I remember in the past there problems with some 
motherboards not working well for a parallel port driven machine.


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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[gene heskett]

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:42:22 PM EST Andy Howell wrote:
> I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version.
> However, I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so I'm
> trying to contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.
> 
> Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?
> 
Most any NEW mobo today will need a new cpu too since the sockets are 
changed and probably won't take your old memory for the same reason.

ATM I'm running a normal sized Asus Z370-AII with the cheapest 6 core i5 
on it and I'm as happy as I can be. Asus makes decent stuff. Draws about 
140 watts less than the phenom it replaced.

And stay away from OLOy memory, I had a failure and they needed more data 
than I had to replace it, so I had to buy a different brand to replace 
it. That's BS, so be sure, get it in writing, that you can get in 
warranty replacements by simply shipping the bad one back with a 
photocopy of the bill of sale. If they won't do that, go down the list to 
the next vendor.

> Thanks,
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[andy pugh]

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 21:45, Andy Howell  wrote:

> Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?

Where are you?

Try the board finder here:
https://www.mini-itx.com/store/category?type=motherboard

The left hand column lets you filter for p-port or p-port header at the bottom.
Don't select both, that returns nothing...

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[Emc-users] Mini-itx 64bit mother board with parallel port

[Andy Howell]

I was hoping to update to a recent Debian and LinuxCNC version. However, 
I have a 32bit motherboard. This is for our school, so I'm trying to 
contain cost by just replacing the motherboard.


Any suggestions for a 64bit mini-itx motherboard?

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Re: [Emc-users] mini-ITX

[Marius Alksnys]

I am booting successfully my E350N boards from USB. Maybe you should 
check BIOS settings and probably disable UEFI.
I change CPU sleep settings in BIOS to get lower latency and use 1333 
MHz DDR data rate with 1333MHz DDR3 RAM modules.

I tested and am working with E350N and E350N-WIN8 boards with LinuxCNC 
successfully for almost a year.


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Re: [Emc-users] mini-ITX

[Bari]

The ASROCK FM2A88M-HD+ (A88X chipset)

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/FM2A88M-HD+/

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157465

just discovered is currently getting coreboot support. Might be done 
over the summer.

Micro ATX Form Factor: 9.2-in x 7.2-in, 23.4 cm x 18.3 cm
Supports Socket FM2+ 95W / FM2 processors
AMD A88X (Bolton-D4)
Integrated AMD Radeon™ R7/R5 Series Graphics in A-series APU

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Re: [Emc-users] mini-ITX

[Bari]

On 05/28/2014 09:13 AM, Eric Keller wrote:
> My gigabyte e350N would not boot from usb.  I tried every possible fix
> listed on the internet, all of which are noted not to work in a significant
> number of cases.  It's a nice board otherwise.  Too bad the linux bios
> effort seems to have flamed out for obvious reasons
>
>
LinuxBIOS changed the project name to coreboot several years ago.
http://www.coreboot.org

I've been using the Asrock E350M1
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/E350M1/index.asp?cat=

There's been a coreboot port  for a couple of years
http://www.coreboot.org/Board:asrock/e350m1

Porting to the Gigabyte e350N would take a bit of work but it's already 
older and harder to find on the shelves.

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[Eric Keller]

My gigabyte e350N would not boot from usb.  I tried every possible fix
listed on the internet, all of which are noted not to work in a significant
number of cases.  It's a nice board otherwise.  Too bad the linux bios
effort seems to have flamed out for obvious reasons

Don't bother blaming me, you can find all those unhelpful posts on the
internet too.


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Marcus Bowman <
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>
> On 28 May 2014, at 03:08, Greg Bernard wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >  Hi guys.
> > I'm helping a buddy set up a new controller and was wondering what the
> latest mini-ITX flavor is that works well with LInuxcnc.
>
> I like my Gigabyte E350N board. The Wiki shows it has low latency figures.
> It's also quite cheap.
>
> > He'll likely be using a Mesa board so the parallel port is optional.
>
> and it has a parallel port.
> Just be careful: there are 3 slightly different versions of this board,
> with different combinations of ports.
> Someone on this list has reported using the Win8 version successfully, but
> mine is the plain vanilla (presumably slightly older) board.
>
> Marcus
> >
> >
> +++
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> world is either a madman or an economist."
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On 28 May 2014, at 03:08, Greg Bernard wrote:

> 
> 
>  Hi guys. 
> I'm helping a buddy set up a new controller and was wondering what the latest 
> mini-ITX flavor is that works well with LInuxcnc.

I like my Gigabyte E350N board. The Wiki shows it has low latency figures. It's 
also quite cheap.

> He'll likely be using a Mesa board so the parallel port is optional.

and it has a parallel port.
Just be careful: there are 3 slightly different versions of this board, with 
different combinations of ports.
Someone on this list has reported using the Win8 version successfully, but mine 
is the plain vanilla (presumably slightly older) board.

Marcus
> 
> +++
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> is either a madman or an economist."
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[Emc-users] mini-ITX

[Greg Bernard]

 Hi guys. 
I'm helping a buddy set up a new controller and was wondering what the latest 
mini-ITX flavor is that works well with LInuxcnc. He'll likely be using a Mesa 
board so the parallel port is optional.

+++
"Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is 
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX

[Rudy du Preez]

I may share the experience of SA-CNC-CLUB members with mini-ITX
motherboards. 

We have used at least 10 425 and 525 Intel Atom boards with no trouble
except the parallel port EPP problem.

Lately we have changed over to the D2500HN, D2700MUD and D2800MT boards with
no trouble. The latter has an on board parallel port and a PCI-express slot
that can take a MESA 6i25 or other cards and on board power supply.

We have had no issues with graphics and Linuxcnc on these boards.

Rudy


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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems

[Andy Ibbotson]

Many thanks for all your help and comments, I think I'll try booting from a 
USB stick.
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Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems

> My old recommendation stands, install OS on another computer and then
> move the disk.
>
> i
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Viesturs Lācis
>  wrote:
>> Well, I did that, otherwise I would not have booted from usb flash
>> drive, would I? I spent pretty long time trying to figure out, if
>> there is something in the BIOS that I should check/uncheck, but no
>> luck. But it works with my laptop. Unfortunately all my remaining PCs
>> are old enough so that there is no support for booting from usb in the
>> BIOS.
>>
>> /vie
>>
>> 2010/8/27 Dave :
>>> Make sure that in the BIOS that you have "enable boot from USB device"
>>> set and it is in your boot device list. Otherwise it definitely will not
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Hard to beat CDROM/DVD drives for loading up an OS quickly.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 8/27/2010 5:12 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
>>>> 2010/8/26 Dave:
>>>>
>>>>> Andy,
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no reason why you cannot connect a Sata or USB CDROM drive to
>>>>> your system, install the OS and then remove the CDROM drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get the latest EMC2 live CD and boot the system off the CDROM drive,
>>>>> then have it load the system right off the live CD.   You can't get 
>>>>> any
>>>>> simpler than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a portable USB CDROM drive that I use all of the time just for
>>>>> that purpose.But you could temporarily plug in a Sata CDROM also.
>>>>> The Pico power supplies work fine and so does the 510 board.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I tried to boot from external USB DVD-RW and got "boot error" on the
>>>> screen. The drive is ~1 year old and I have successfully booted from
>>>> it on my laptop, I have burned discs with it and I do not remember
>>>> having any trouble with it, but it never worked as bootable drive with
>>>> my D510MO board. I tried both Hardy and Lucid as well as Windows. None
>>>> of them worked, so be aware that You might meet some obstacles with
>>>> usb dvd drives, because I do not think that it was a problem with my
>>>> drive.
>>>> But the idea itself is very nice - attach dvd drive, install system
>>>> and then remove the drive to save space.
>>>>
>>>> /vie
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems

[Igor Chudov]

My old recommendation stands, install OS on another computer and then
move the disk.

i

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Viesturs Lācis
 wrote:
> Well, I did that, otherwise I would not have booted from usb flash
> drive, would I? I spent pretty long time trying to figure out, if
> there is something in the BIOS that I should check/uncheck, but no
> luck. But it works with my laptop. Unfortunately all my remaining PCs
> are old enough so that there is no support for booting from usb in the
> BIOS.
>
> /vie
>
> 2010/8/27 Dave :
>> Make sure that in the BIOS that you have "enable boot from USB device"
>> set and it is in your boot device list. Otherwise it definitely will not
>> work.
>>
>> Hard to beat CDROM/DVD drives for loading up an OS quickly.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 8/27/2010 5:12 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
>>> 2010/8/26 Dave:
>>>
 Andy,

 There is no reason why you cannot connect a Sata or USB CDROM drive to
 your system, install the OS and then remove the CDROM drive.

 Get the latest EMC2 live CD and boot the system off the CDROM drive,
 then have it load the system right off the live CD.   You can't get any
 simpler than that.

 I have a portable USB CDROM drive that I use all of the time just for
 that purpose.    But you could temporarily plug in a Sata CDROM also.
 The Pico power supplies work fine and so does the 510 board.


>>> I tried to boot from external USB DVD-RW and got "boot error" on the
>>> screen. The drive is ~1 year old and I have successfully booted from
>>> it on my laptop, I have burned discs with it and I do not remember
>>> having any trouble with it, but it never worked as bootable drive with
>>> my D510MO board. I tried both Hardy and Lucid as well as Windows. None
>>> of them worked, so be aware that You might meet some obstacles with
>>> usb dvd drives, because I do not think that it was a problem with my
>>> drive.
>>> But the idea itself is very nice - attach dvd drive, install system
>>> and then remove the drive to save space.
>>>
>>> /vie
>>>
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[Viesturs Lācis]

Well, I did that, otherwise I would not have booted from usb flash
drive, would I? I spent pretty long time trying to figure out, if
there is something in the BIOS that I should check/uncheck, but no
luck. But it works with my laptop. Unfortunately all my remaining PCs
are old enough so that there is no support for booting from usb in the
BIOS.

/vie

2010/8/27 Dave :
> Make sure that in the BIOS that you have "enable boot from USB device"
> set and it is in your boot device list. Otherwise it definitely will not
> work.
>
> Hard to beat CDROM/DVD drives for loading up an OS quickly.
>
> Dave
>
> On 8/27/2010 5:12 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
>> 2010/8/26 Dave:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> There is no reason why you cannot connect a Sata or USB CDROM drive to
>>> your system, install the OS and then remove the CDROM drive.
>>>
>>> Get the latest EMC2 live CD and boot the system off the CDROM drive,
>>> then have it load the system right off the live CD.   You can't get any
>>> simpler than that.
>>>
>>> I have a portable USB CDROM drive that I use all of the time just for
>>> that purpose.    But you could temporarily plug in a Sata CDROM also.
>>> The Pico power supplies work fine and so does the 510 board.
>>>
>>>
>> I tried to boot from external USB DVD-RW and got "boot error" on the
>> screen. The drive is ~1 year old and I have successfully booted from
>> it on my laptop, I have burned discs with it and I do not remember
>> having any trouble with it, but it never worked as bootable drive with
>> my D510MO board. I tried both Hardy and Lucid as well as Windows. None
>> of them worked, so be aware that You might meet some obstacles with
>> usb dvd drives, because I do not think that it was a problem with my
>> drive.
>> But the idea itself is very nice - attach dvd drive, install system
>> and then remove the drive to save space.
>>
>> /vie
>>
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[Dave]

Make sure that in the BIOS that you have "enable boot from USB device" 
set and it is in your boot device list. Otherwise it definitely will not 
work.

Hard to beat CDROM/DVD drives for loading up an OS quickly.

Dave

On 8/27/2010 5:12 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
> 2010/8/26 Dave:
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> There is no reason why you cannot connect a Sata or USB CDROM drive to
>> your system, install the OS and then remove the CDROM drive.
>>
>> Get the latest EMC2 live CD and boot the system off the CDROM drive,
>> then have it load the system right off the live CD.   You can't get any
>> simpler than that.
>>
>> I have a portable USB CDROM drive that I use all of the time just for
>> that purpose.But you could temporarily plug in a Sata CDROM also.
>> The Pico power supplies work fine and so does the 510 board.
>>
>>  
> I tried to boot from external USB DVD-RW and got "boot error" on the
> screen. The drive is ~1 year old and I have successfully booted from
> it on my laptop, I have burned discs with it and I do not remember
> having any trouble with it, but it never worked as bootable drive with
> my D510MO board. I tried both Hardy and Lucid as well as Windows. None
> of them worked, so be aware that You might meet some obstacles with
> usb dvd drives, because I do not think that it was a problem with my
> drive.
> But the idea itself is very nice - attach dvd drive, install system
> and then remove the drive to save space.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems

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Viesturs Lācis wrote:
> But the idea itself is very nice - attach dvd drive, install system
> and then remove the drive to save space.

I have an old internal drive and cable with it's own power supply just for that 
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems

[Viesturs Lācis]

2010/8/26 Andy Pugh :
> On 26 August 2010 22:08, Andy Ibbotson  wrote:
>
>> I have a question re. systems built around mini ITX motherboards.  What I 
>> have in mind is to build a system using the Intel D510MO motherboard (good 
>> choice re. latency?), picoPSU, solid state SATA disk.  I want to minimise 
>> the size of the computer so no CD / DVD drives, my question is how do I get 
>> EMC2 on to the system?  Can I install from a USB memory?  Any help will be 
>> greatly appreciated.
>
> I have exactly the system you describe.
>
> I started with a VMWare Lucid install on my Mac (based on a downloaded ISO)
> I then used the "Startup Disc Creator" that is included in Lucid to
> make a bootable USB stick, (System->Administration->Startup Disk
> Creator)  to make a bootable Lucid USB stick.
> I needed to make a couple of BIOS changes to get the system to boot
> from the rear-panel USB slots, but I think that the front panel header
> is meant to support USB drives by default. However that is unwired on
> mine (and probablu yours) and the others worked. I recall a bit of
> messing about to get the drive bootable, I think it has to be FAT16
> for example.
>
> Once the machine is booted you can install from a script.
>
> You will soon be able to create a bootable Lucid USB stick from the
> LiveCD image, I think, which will save a few steps. Currently the
> LiveCD is Hardy, which has been perfectly OK as a CNC OS for the last
> couple of years.
>

You can create live-usb for Lucid from a iso image with the USB
startup disk creator and You can do it in Hardy or other Ubuntu
version, which, I suppose, You already have on one of Your PCs. There
is application called "unetbootin" which allows You to create live-usb
stick from iso image also on windows machine - I have used it few
times and I like it, so IMHO getting live-usb with Lucid on it is not
a problem.

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems

[Viesturs Lācis]

2010/8/26 Dave :
>
> Andy,
>
> There is no reason why you cannot connect a Sata or USB CDROM drive to
> your system, install the OS and then remove the CDROM drive.
>
> Get the latest EMC2 live CD and boot the system off the CDROM drive,
> then have it load the system right off the live CD.   You can't get any
> simpler than that.
>
> I have a portable USB CDROM drive that I use all of the time just for
> that purpose.    But you could temporarily plug in a Sata CDROM also.
> The Pico power supplies work fine and so does the 510 board.
>

I tried to boot from external USB DVD-RW and got "boot error" on the
screen. The drive is ~1 year old and I have successfully booted from
it on my laptop, I have burned discs with it and I do not remember
having any trouble with it, but it never worked as bootable drive with
my D510MO board. I tried both Hardy and Lucid as well as Windows. None
of them worked, so be aware that You might meet some obstacles with
usb dvd drives, because I do not think that it was a problem with my
drive.
But the idea itself is very nice - attach dvd drive, install system
and then remove the drive to save space.

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems.

[kurniadi]

Yup, I have one this mobo, and i add parallel port konnekor from old
pc, like 386 PC.

Kurniadi

2010/8/27 sam sokolik :
>  it does have a printer port header on the motherboard.
>
> sam
>
> On 8/26/2010 7:09 PM, Peter Homann wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It doesn't have one. You could use this one instead.
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131396
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Peter.
>>
>> Speaker To-Dirt wrote:
>>> Hi Andy:
>>>
>>>     I may be showing my ignorance here, but while searching on your
>>> motherboard, because I'm about to do the same thing you are, I found
>>> this 
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121399&Tpk=D510MO
>>>
>>>  Where's the parallel port? Am I missing something?
>>>
>>>    Look at some posts last week we had some informative back and forth with
>>> links on this very subject.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:08:02 +0100
>>>> From: "Andy Ibbotson"
>>>> Subject: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems
>>>> To:
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>>> charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> I have a question re. systems built around mini ITX
>>>> motherboards.  What I have in mind is to build a system
>>>> using the Intel D510MO motherboard (good choice re.
>>>> latency?), picoPSU, solid state SATA disk.  I want to
>>>> minimise the size of the computer so no CD / DVD drives, my
>>>> question is how do I get EMC2 on to the system?  Can I
>>>> install from a USB memory?  Any help will be greatly
>>>> appreciated.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[sam sokolik]

  it does have a printer port header on the motherboard.

sam

On 8/26/2010 7:09 PM, Peter Homann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It doesn't have one. You could use this one instead.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131396
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter.
>
> Speaker To-Dirt wrote:
>> Hi Andy:
>>
>> I may be showing my ignorance here, but while searching on your
>> motherboard, because I'm about to do the same thing you are, I found
>> this 
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121399&Tpk=D510MO
>>
>>  Where's the parallel port? Am I missing something?
>>
>>Look at some posts last week we had some informative back and forth with
>> links on this very subject.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:08:02 +0100
>>> From: "Andy Ibbotson"
>>> Subject: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems
>>> To:
>>> Message-ID:
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;   
>>> charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> I have a question re. systems built around mini ITX
>>> motherboards.  What I have in mind is to build a system
>>> using the Intel D510MO motherboard (good choice re.
>>> latency?), picoPSU, solid state SATA disk.  I want to
>>> minimise the size of the computer so no CD / DVD drives, my
>>> question is how do I get EMC2 on to the system?  Can I
>>> install from a USB memory?  Any help will be greatly
>>> appreciated.
>>> Regards
>>> Andy
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Peter Homann]

Hi,

It doesn't have one. You could use this one instead.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131396

Cheers,

Peter.

Speaker To-Dirt wrote:
> Hi Andy:
>
>I may be showing my ignorance here, but while searching on your
> motherboard, because I'm about to do the same thing you are, I found
> this 
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121399&Tpk=D510MO
>
>  Where's the parallel port? Am I missing something?
>
>   Look at some posts last week we had some informative back and forth with
> links on this very subject.
>
> Andrew
>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:08:02 +0100
>> From: "Andy Ibbotson" 
>> Subject: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems
>> To: 
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain;   
>> charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>> I have a question re. systems built around mini ITX
>> motherboards.  What I have in mind is to build a system
>> using the Intel D510MO motherboard (good choice re.
>> latency?), picoPSU, solid state SATA disk.  I want to
>> minimise the size of the computer so no CD / DVD drives, my
>> question is how do I get EMC2 on to the system?  Can I
>> install from a USB memory?  Any help will be greatly
>> appreciated.
>> Regards
>> Andy
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems

[Andy Pugh]

On 26 August 2010 22:08, Andy Ibbotson  wrote:

> I have a question re. systems built around mini ITX motherboards.  What I 
> have in mind is to build a system using the Intel D510MO motherboard (good 
> choice re. latency?), picoPSU, solid state SATA disk.  I want to minimise the 
> size of the computer so no CD / DVD drives, my question is how do I get EMC2 
> on to the system?  Can I install from a USB memory?  Any help will be greatly 
> appreciated.

I have exactly the system you describe.

I started with a VMWare Lucid install on my Mac (based on a downloaded ISO)
I then used the "Startup Disc Creator" that is included in Lucid to
make a bootable USB stick, (System->Administration->Startup Disk
Creator)  to make a bootable Lucid USB stick.
I needed to make a couple of BIOS changes to get the system to boot
from the rear-panel USB slots, but I think that the front panel header
is meant to support USB drives by default. However that is unwired on
mine (and probablu yours) and the others worked. I recall a bit of
messing about to get the drive bootable, I think it has to be FAT16
for example.

Once the machine is booted you can install from a script.

You will soon be able to create a bootable Lucid USB stick from the
LiveCD image, I think, which will save a few steps. Currently the
LiveCD is Hardy, which has been perfectly OK as a CNC OS for the last
couple of years.

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[Dave]

Andy,

There is no reason why you cannot connect a Sata or USB CDROM drive to 
your system, install the OS and then remove the CDROM drive.

Get the latest EMC2 live CD and boot the system off the CDROM drive, 
then have it load the system right off the live CD.   You can't get any 
simpler than that.

I have a portable USB CDROM drive that I use all of the time just for 
that purpose.But you could temporarily plug in a Sata CDROM also.  
The Pico power supplies work fine and so does the 510 board.

Dave

On 8/26/2010 5:08 PM, Andy Ibbotson wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> I have a question re. systems built around mini ITX motherboards.  What I 
> have in mind is to build a system using the Intel D510MO motherboard (good 
> choice re. latency?), picoPSU, solid state SATA disk.  I want to minimise the 
> size of the computer so no CD / DVD drives, my question is how do I get EMC2 
> on to the system?  Can I install from a USB memory?  Any help will be greatly 
> appreciated.
> Regards
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems.

[Viesturs Lācis]

2010/8/27 Speaker To-Dirt :
> Hi Andy:
>
>   I may be showing my ignorance here, but while searching on your 
> motherboard, because I'm about to do the same thing you are, I found this 
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121399&Tpk=D510MO
>
>  Where's the parallel port? Am I missing something?
>

There are pins on the board, so You just need something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/25-Pin-Parallel-Printer-Port-LPT-internal-Cable-Bracket-/250685417648?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

And with a PCI card You can easily add second LPT port, just like I
have done it.
By the way, that board has pins also for 2 COM ports, if they are
needed, which, in my opinion, makes it a very nice board for CNC
controlling PC.

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems.

[Lester Caine]

Speaker To-Dirt wrote:
> I may be showing my ignorance here, but while searching on your 
> motherboard, because I'm about to do the same thing you are, I found this 
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121399&Tpk=D510MO
>
>  Where's the parallel port? Am I missing something?
On board header just behind the VGA socket. Many of the ITX boards have them on 
separate headers ...

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[Speaker To-Dirt]

Hi Andy:

   I may be showing my ignorance here, but while searching on your motherboard, 
because I'm about to do the same thing you are, I found this 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121399&Tpk=D510MO

 Where's the parallel port? Am I missing something?

  Look at some posts last week we had some informative back and forth with 
links on this very subject. 

Andrew

> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:08:02 +0100
> From: "Andy Ibbotson" 
> Subject: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems
> To: 
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain;   
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> I have a question re. systems built around mini ITX
> motherboards.  What I have in mind is to build a system
> using the Intel D510MO motherboard (good choice re.
> latency?), picoPSU, solid state SATA disk.  I want to
> minimise the size of the computer so no CD / DVD drives, my
> question is how do I get EMC2 on to the system?  Can I
> install from a USB memory?  Any help will be greatly
> appreciated.
> Regards
> Andy
> 



  


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Install Ubuntu (just basic installation of Hardy or Lucid) from
usb-flash and then connect to internet and install EMC with a script -
it will install also all the RTAI packages and everything else
necessary for EMC. That is how I did on my D510MO based PC.

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2010/8/27 Andy Ibbotson :
> Hello Everyone,
> I have a question re. systems built around mini ITX motherboards.  What I 
> have in mind is to build a system using the Intel D510MO motherboard (good 
> choice re. latency?), picoPSU, solid state SATA disk.  I want to minimise the 
> size of the computer so no CD / DVD drives, my question is how do I get EMC2 
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX systems

[Igor Chudov]

You can install Linux on your hard on another computer and then move
your hard drive to this motherboard. Should work great.

i

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> have in mind is to build a system using the Intel D510MO motherboard (good 
> choice re. latency?), picoPSU, solid state SATA disk.  I want to minimise the 
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[Emc-users] Mini ITX systems

[Andy Ibbotson]

Hello Everyone,
I have a question re. systems built around mini ITX motherboards.  What I have 
in mind is to build a system using the Intel D510MO motherboard (good choice 
re. latency?), picoPSU, solid state SATA disk.  I want to minimise the size of 
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system?  Can I install from a USB memory?  Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX Systems.

[Igor Chudov]

My current system has 512 MB. It works OK.

i


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> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Dave  wrote:
>> 1 Gig seems to be plenty to run EMC2 on.   I have never seen memory
>> usage go much above a couple hundred megs.
>>
>
> I like to run all kinds of other things, like browser, XEmacs, terminals, etc.
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX Systems.

[Dave]

Sure..  I just wanted to let you know that 1 gig wouldn't keep you from 
running EMC2.

I oftentimes just put 2 gigs into each system also as memory is cheap.

Dave

On 8/20/2010 3:33 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> 1 Gig seems to be plenty to run EMC2 on.   I have never seen memory
>> usage go much above a couple hundred megs.
>>
>>  
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX Systems.

[Igor Chudov]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 1 Gig seems to be plenty to run EMC2 on.   I have never seen memory
> usage go much above a couple hundred megs.
>

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX Systems.

[Dave]

I've also had good luck running EMC2 on LGA boards equipped with the 
Intel Celeron E3300 which I believe is sort of a cheap Core 2 Duo.

In fact I have taken a hard drive setup to run EMC2 with Ubuntu 10.04 on 
a Atom 330 board and plugged it into a Celeron E3300 system and it boots 
right up.

Nice...

1 Gig seems to be plenty to run EMC2 on.   I have never seen memory 
usage go much above a couple hundred megs.

Dave


On 8/20/2010 1:44 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Speaker To-Dirt
>   wrote:
>
>> Igor:
>>
>>What model did you get? I was looking at this one.
>>
>>  
> I assembled my own:
>
> Intel BOXDG41MJ LGA 775 Intel G41 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard Item #:
> N82E16813121381
> CORSAIR XMS2 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Item #: N82E16820145184
> [2] MASSCOOL FD08025S1M4 80mm Case Fan Item #: N82E16835150007
> Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale  #: N82E16819115056
>
> Unfortunately, one of the two memory sticks was bad, so I have to ship
> both back to Newegg, so I am stuck with the old computer until I get a
> replacement. The new one is 5x faster than the old one, core for core,
> and has two cores instead of one, so it has 10 times more capacity.
>
> Running latency test remotely through X windows, gives me max jitter
> of 19673 and 10839 ns.
>
> I am extremely satisfied with the form factor, it will sit nicely
> under the servo drives.
>
> I have two case fans, one sucks air in, and another pushes it out on
> the other side.
>
> I cannot yet give any conclusions.
>
> i
>
>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131396&cm_re=Intel_D945GCLF2-_-13-131-396-_-Product
>>
>> Based on the numbers given here.
>>
>> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test
>>
>> I noted these numbers
>>
>> Intel D945GCLF2 mini-ITX Atom 330 2x 1.6Ghz
>> 1 GB DDR 667Linux 2.6.30.5 + RTAI 3.7.1 with SMP support
>>
>> Max Interval (1.0 ms thread)
>> 996381
>>
>> Max Jitter(ns) 1.0 ms thread
>> 5101
>>
>> Max Interval (25 us thread)
>> 30121
>>
>> Max Jitter (25 us thread)
>> 5428
>>
>>I'd love to know what you have so I can use your experience to help which 
>> direction to go.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>  
>>> Igor Chudov wrote:
>>>
 My old control box was, well, old and slow and had
  
>>> only 512 MB of RAM.
>>>
 So, I bought a bunch of parts on Newegg to build a
  
>>> small PC based on
>>>
 "Mini ITX" motherboard (really small, to fit into tthe
  
>>> cabinet).
>>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX Systems.

[Dave]

Intel has discontinued the D945GCLF boards..  but a number of other 
board makers are still making Atom 330 based boards.

The D510 board works well as does the Jetway D510 based board.

Hard to beat for the price..

Dave



On 8/20/2010 1:33 PM, Speaker To-Dirt wrote:
> Igor:
>
> What model did you get? I was looking at this one.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131396&cm_re=Intel_D945GCLF2-_-13-131-396-_-Product
>
> Based on the numbers given here.
>
> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test
>
> I noted these numbers
>
> Intel D945GCLF2 mini-ITX   Atom 330 2x 1.6Ghz
> 1 GB DDR 667  Linux 2.6.30.5 + RTAI 3.7.1 with SMP support
>
> Max Interval (1.0 ms thread)
> 996381
>
> Max Jitter(ns) 1.0 ms thread
> 5101  
>
> Max Interval (25 us thread)
> 30121
>
> Max Jitter (25 us thread)
> 5428
>
> I'd love to know what you have so I can use your experience to help which 
> direction to go.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>> Igor Chudov wrote:
>>  
>>> My old control box was, well, old and slow and had
>>>
>> only 512 MB of RAM.
>>  
>>> So, I bought a bunch of parts on Newegg to build a
>>>
>> small PC based on
>>  
>>> "Mini ITX" motherboard (really small, to fit into tthe
>>>
>> cabinet).
>>  
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX Systems.

[Andy Pugh]

On 20 August 2010 19:17, Viesturs Lācis  wrote:
>
> I have Intel D510MO Mini-ITX board with built-on dual-core Atom D510

Another vote for that board. Runs 10.04 and 2.4.1 nicely. It was cheap
and is tiny. (also silent as it seems happy completely passively
cooled with an 8GB SSD and a picoPSU

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX Systems.

[Viesturs Lācis]

I have Intel D510MO Mini-ITX board with built-on dual-core Atom D510
1,6 GHz, 2GB RAM and 4GB CF card as a HDD.

Max jitter for 1.0 ms servo thread is 7316 ns
Max jitter for 25.0 us base thread is 8706 ns

And it all is fitted in a selfmade case so that I can put it inside
the control cabinet next to servo drives instead of having pc case
outside of it, because there is not enough room for even a small
mini-atx case.

Viesturs

2010/8/20 Igor Chudov :
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Speaker To-Dirt
>  wrote:
>> Igor:
>>
>>   What model did you get? I was looking at this one.
>>
>
> I assembled my own:
>
> Intel BOXDG41MJ LGA 775 Intel G41 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard Item #:
> N82E16813121381
> CORSAIR XMS2 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Item #: N82E16820145184
> [2] MASSCOOL FD08025S1M4 80mm Case Fan Item #: N82E16835150007
> Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale  #: N82E16819115056
>
> Unfortunately, one of the two memory sticks was bad, so I have to ship
> both back to Newegg, so I am stuck with the old computer until I get a
> replacement. The new one is 5x faster than the old one, core for core,
> and has two cores instead of one, so it has 10 times more capacity.
>
> Running latency test remotely through X windows, gives me max jitter
> of 19673 and 10839 ns.
>
> I am extremely satisfied with the form factor, it will sit nicely
> under the servo drives.
>
> I have two case fans, one sucks air in, and another pushes it out on
> the other side.
>
> I cannot yet give any conclusions.
>
> i
>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131396&cm_re=Intel_D945GCLF2-_-13-131-396-_-Product
>>
>> Based on the numbers given here.
>>
>> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test
>>
>> I noted these numbers
>>
>> Intel D945GCLF2 mini-ITX         Atom 330 2x 1.6Ghz
>> 1 GB DDR 667    Linux 2.6.30.5 + RTAI 3.7.1 with SMP support
>>
>> Max Interval (1.0 ms thread)
>> 996381
>>
>> Max Jitter(ns) 1.0 ms thread
>> 5101
>>
>> Max Interval (25 us thread)
>> 30121
>>
>> Max Jitter (25 us thread)
>> 5428
>>
>>   I'd love to know what you have so I can use your experience to help which 
>> direction to go.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>> Igor Chudov wrote:
>>> > My old control box was, well, old and slow and had
>>> only 512 MB of RAM.
>>> >
>>> > So, I bought a bunch of parts on Newegg to build a
>>> small PC based on
>>> > "Mini ITX" motherboard (really small, to fit into tthe
>>> cabinet).
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX Systems.

[Igor Chudov]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Speaker To-Dirt
 wrote:
> Igor:
>
>   What model did you get? I was looking at this one.
>

I assembled my own:

Intel BOXDG41MJ LGA 775 Intel G41 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard Item #:
N82E16813121381
CORSAIR XMS2 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Item #: N82E16820145184
[2] MASSCOOL FD08025S1M4 80mm Case Fan Item #: N82E16835150007
Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale  #: N82E16819115056

Unfortunately, one of the two memory sticks was bad, so I have to ship
both back to Newegg, so I am stuck with the old computer until I get a
replacement. The new one is 5x faster than the old one, core for core,
and has two cores instead of one, so it has 10 times more capacity.

Running latency test remotely through X windows, gives me max jitter
of 19673 and 10839 ns.

I am extremely satisfied with the form factor, it will sit nicely
under the servo drives.

I have two case fans, one sucks air in, and another pushes it out on
the other side.

I cannot yet give any conclusions.

i

> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131396&cm_re=Intel_D945GCLF2-_-13-131-396-_-Product
>
> Based on the numbers given here.
>
> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test
>
> I noted these numbers
>
> Intel D945GCLF2 mini-ITX         Atom 330 2x 1.6Ghz
> 1 GB DDR 667    Linux 2.6.30.5 + RTAI 3.7.1 with SMP support
>
> Max Interval (1.0 ms thread)
> 996381
>
> Max Jitter(ns) 1.0 ms thread
> 5101
>
> Max Interval (25 us thread)
> 30121
>
> Max Jitter (25 us thread)
> 5428
>
>   I'd love to know what you have so I can use your experience to help which 
> direction to go.
>
> Andrew
>
>> Igor Chudov wrote:
>> > My old control box was, well, old and slow and had
>> only 512 MB of RAM.
>> >
>> > So, I bought a bunch of parts on Newegg to build a
>> small PC based on
>> > "Mini ITX" motherboard (really small, to fit into tthe
>> cabinet).
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini ITX Systems.

[Speaker To-Dirt]

Igor:

   What model did you get? I was looking at this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131396&cm_re=Intel_D945GCLF2-_-13-131-396-_-Product

Based on the numbers given here.

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test

I noted these numbers

Intel D945GCLF2 mini-ITX Atom 330 2x 1.6Ghz
1 GB DDR 667Linux 2.6.30.5 + RTAI 3.7.1 with SMP support

Max Interval (1.0 ms thread)
996381  

Max Jitter(ns) 1.0 ms thread
5101

Max Interval (25 us thread)
30121 

Max Jitter (25 us thread)
5428 
 
   I'd love to know what you have so I can use your experience to help which 
direction to go.

Andrew

> Igor Chudov wrote:
> > My old control box was, well, old and slow and had
> only 512 MB of RAM.
> >
> > So, I bought a bunch of parts on Newegg to build a
> small PC based on
> > "Mini ITX" motherboard (really small, to fit into tthe
> cabinet).



  


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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control

[Klemen Dovrtel]

I tested emc2 on Intel Little Valley 2. There are some (known) problem with   
integrated graphical card, it is not very well supported under ubuntu. The 
latency test of emc2 showed no errors.

Regards
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> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 5:59 PM
> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 15:56 +0300, Alex Joni wrote:
> > well this wouldn't be an OT message if you put up
> some latency-test numbers, 
> > or descriptions how well it worked with EMC..
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Alex
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Hugues Belanger"
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> > Subject: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control
> > 
> > 
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> > >
> 
> I have had trouble getting Linux to run on my C3 ITX board,
> but that was
> quite a while ago. I would be interested in knowing if
> anyone has gotten
> EMC2 or Linux to run on one of these. It would make a nice
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control

[Ray Henry]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 10:45 -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> It's the C3 processors that seem to have the problem. 

I've run EMC and real time on C3 sorts of processors almost as long as
I've been running EMC.  I was doing it when Yodakin and FMS was saying
you couldn't.  If I remember IBM owned em way back then.  

My jetway MiniITX Via 1G board holds a record for one of the smallest
jitter numbers listed on the wiki.  That is with the onboard display.

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Latency-Test

> A lack of PCI
> slots makes ITX less desirable for me, plus micro-ATX boards tend to be
> much cheaper and not that much bigger.

Both true.  I get around the single PCI slot by adding a dual riser card
but if I populate that slot with a Mesa I can build up a pretty
impressive system in a pretty small space.  

As for cheap, I'm as much into it as the next person but I also like
some stability over time and Jetway assured me that there were four more
years of the board I've got.  Try that with a "consumer" board.  I've
got two "identical" boxes built the same week with different versions of
mobo.

m2cw

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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control

[Len Shelton]

>> I would be interested in knowing if anyone has 
>> gotten EMC2 or Linux to run on one of these. 

I use mini-itx boards all the time to run EMC2. I particularly like the
JetWay boards:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153062

These use the C7 processor. And I wouldn't even try to run with anything
less than DDR2 memory capability.

Thanks,
 
>Len





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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control

[Eric H. Johnson]

Kirk,

>> I have had trouble getting Linux to run on my C3 ITX board, but that was
quite a while ago. I would be interested in knowing if anyone has gotten
EMC2 or Linux to run on one of these. It would make a nice low power
router/gateway or EMC2 remote. <<

I have had good success using the Via C7 mini-itx boards (see:
http://www.mini-box.com/Hybrid-C7-1-5G?sc=8&category=99). The main problem I
had was between some power supplies and the IDE Flash module (4 GB) I was
using. Changing either the power supply or the flash module has remedied the
problem. I talked to the PS manufacturer, and the problem seems to be with
the rise time of the 5V (IDE bus) relative to the 12V which powers the flash
module. The result was that the system did not boot reliably. The PS
manufacturer suggested putting a cap on the 5V (I tried once without
success), but changing to a different flash module fixed the problem for me,
so I have not re-investigated.

I use a riser card for the Mesa 5i20 board. The first enclosure I used was
from mini-box, but the Mesa board did not mount very well, so I went to a
Travla enclosure which does a better job of accommodating the Mesa board and
comes with panel mount brackets.

I was also able to get EMC to run under the smaller footprint Xubuntu on
this board. Real simple actually, all that was really required was to run
the install script manually.

Regards,
Eric 




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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control

[Manfredi Leto]

Hi, 

mine has a PCI slot.

Greetings, 

Manfredi


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:45:28 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control
> 
> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 17:12 +, Manfredi Leto wrote:
>> I'm running Ubuntu 6.06 + EMC2 on a Commel mini-ITX LV-602B I bought on ebay 
>> for 50Eur some time ago:
>> 
>> http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/SBC/LV-602.htm
>> 
>> with 256 Mb of RAM and a PIII at 1.1 GHz  it works Great! Onboard video 
>> works very well and I never got a realtime error with this board. 
>> 
>> Greetings, 
>> 
>> Manfredi
>> 
>> 
>> My websites: www.m24-pro.com  www.emc2cnc.altervista.org
> 
> It's the C3 processors that seem to have the problem. A lack of PCI
> slots makes ITX less desirable for me, plus micro-ATX boards tend to be
> much cheaper and not that much bigger.
> 
> -- 
> Kirk Wallace (California, USA
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control

[Kirk Wallace]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 17:12 +, Manfredi Leto wrote:
> I'm running Ubuntu 6.06 + EMC2 on a Commel mini-ITX LV-602B I bought on ebay 
> for 50Eur some time ago:
> 
> http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/SBC/LV-602.htm
> 
> with 256 Mb of RAM and a PIII at 1.1 GHz  it works Great! Onboard video works 
> very well and I never got a realtime error with this board. 
> 
> Greetings, 
> 
> Manfredi
> 
> 
> My websites: www.m24-pro.com  www.emc2cnc.altervista.org

It's the C3 processors that seem to have the problem. A lack of PCI
slots makes ITX less desirable for me, plus micro-ATX boards tend to be
much cheaper and not that much bigger.

-- 
Kirk Wallace (California, USA
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ 
Hardinge HNC/EMC CNC lathe,
Bridgeport mill conversion, doing XY now,
Zubal lathe conversion pending
Craftsman AA 109 restoration
Shizuoka ST-N/EMC CNC)


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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control

[Manfredi Leto]

I'm running Ubuntu 6.06 + EMC2 on a Commel mini-ITX LV-602B I bought on ebay 
for 50Eur some time ago:

http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/SBC/LV-602.htm

with 256 Mb of RAM and a PIII at 1.1 GHz  it works Great! Onboard video works 
very well and I never got a realtime error with this board. 

Greetings, 

Manfredi


My websites: www.m24-pro.com  www.emc2cnc.altervista.org


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:59:32 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control
> 
> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 15:56 +0300, Alex Joni wrote:
>> well this wouldn't be an OT message if you put up some latency-test numbers, 
>> or descriptions how well it worked with EMC..
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Alex
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Hugues Belanger" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:39 PM
>> Subject: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> doing a little advertising
>>>
>>> http://barrie.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-computers-VIA-EPIA-800-Mini-ITX-all-in-one-512M-RAM-Power-supply-W0QQAdIdZ54215130
>>>
> 
> I have had trouble getting Linux to run on my C3 ITX board, but that was
> quite a while ago. I would be interested in knowing if anyone has gotten
> EMC2 or Linux to run on one of these. It would make a nice low power
> router/gateway or EMC2 remote.
> 
> -- 
> Kirk Wallace (California, USA
> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ 
> Hardinge HNC/EMC CNC lathe,
> Bridgeport mill conversion, doing XY now,
> Zubal lathe conversion pending
> Craftsman AA 109 restoration
> Shizuoka ST-N/EMC CNC)
> 
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control

[Kirk Wallace]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 15:56 +0300, Alex Joni wrote:
> well this wouldn't be an OT message if you put up some latency-test numbers, 
> or descriptions how well it worked with EMC..
> 
> Regards,
> Alex
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Hugues Belanger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:39 PM
> Subject: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control
> 
> 
> > Hi All
> >
> > doing a little advertising
> >
> > http://barrie.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-computers-VIA-EPIA-800-Mini-ITX-all-in-one-512M-RAM-Power-supply-W0QQAdIdZ54215130
> >

I have had trouble getting Linux to run on my C3 ITX board, but that was
quite a while ago. I would be interested in knowing if anyone has gotten
EMC2 or Linux to run on one of these. It would make a nice low power
router/gateway or EMC2 remote.

-- 
Kirk Wallace (California, USA
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ 
Hardinge HNC/EMC CNC lathe,
Bridgeport mill conversion, doing XY now,
Zubal lathe conversion pending
Craftsman AA 109 restoration
Shizuoka ST-N/EMC CNC)


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Re: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control

[Alex Joni]

well this wouldn't be an OT message if you put up some latency-test numbers, 
or descriptions how well it worked with EMC..

Regards,
Alex

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:39 PM
Subject: [Emc-users] Mini-itx Control


> Hi All
>
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>
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[Emc-users] Mini-itx Control

[Hugues Belanger]

Hi All

doing a little advertising 

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