[e-users] "everything" module wish

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Hi,
I've added a config option for placement now.

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Wido  wrote:
> Hi, would it be posible to move the "run everything" module in the windows,
> just like the old "run" module? maybe not by dran 'n drop, but with some
> option in the configuration
>
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[e-users] Thicker window resize zones?

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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a way I can set thicker zones for grabbing a window to
> resize?  I very commonly use IBM TrackPoint II pointing devices which
> have a relatively low resolution.  When my pointer settings are set
> reasonably, the cursor skips pixels and sometimes jumps far enough so
> that I cannot select the window edge.
>
> I guess I could pick a different theme, but I have grown fond of the
> black and white default.  Moreover, very thin borders seem to be part
> of the aesthetic, so I don't know what my choices really are.
>

just use alt + middle button + trackpoint to resize ;)

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Re: [e-users] Thicker window resize zones?

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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:51 AM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is there a way I can set thicker zones for grabbing a window to
>> resize?  I very commonly use IBM TrackPoint II pointing devices which
>> have a relatively low resolution.  When my pointer settings are set
>> reasonably, the cursor skips pixels and sometimes jumps far enough so
>> that I cannot select the window edge.
>>
>> I guess I could pick a different theme, but I have grown fond of the
>> black and white default.  Moreover, very thin borders seem to be part
>> of the aesthetic, so I don't know what my choices really are.
>>
>
> just use alt + middle button + trackpoint to resize ;)
>
> Regards,
> Hannes

if you have scrolling on middle + trackpoint, change the binding to
right button. imo it would be nicer to make this default. not sure if
this is some 'standard' binding for window managers though

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Re: [e-users] i want everything!

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Hi,
the issue with not connecting to tracker was fixed recently but I
guess it is not yet packaged. It should work for you either by
starting tracker before enlightenment or after restarting e.

Regards,
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> Howdy! I've been playing around with everything module (i have installed
> *.63 for debian from E's repo). It works really nice, but I can't make it
> work when I want it to find files. I have installed trackerd and it's
> running, but it never find anything (even when tracker-search-tool does).
> Also, I don't like much tracker, it's feel kind of sloppy, don't EFL have
> better/faster indexer libraries? along with the enna libraries for
> multimedia?
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[e-users] Everything is empty! plugins moved to modules(for svn users only)

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Hello,

The plugins for the Everything module which were before loaded
differently are now e-modules. If you have an existing config, you'll
need to enable them with the Modules dialog.

.. what about adding a ChangeLog dialog at least for the snapshot releases?

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Re: [e-users] Enlightenment 0.16.999.063: SEGV if type run prompt command starting with f, b, or / ???

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Hi,

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook  wrote:
>
> On 4/10/10 a: pacman -Syu :destabilized e17's run command dialog on my
> Arch Linux installation.
>
> Yes I know e17 is still under heavy development, so I can't
> expect it to be completely stable. But I thought I should bring this
> up even though I found a workaround that works for me.
>
> And I know this "could" be a distro specific problem... But I don't think so 
> because:
>
> To quote from the Arch wiki:
>
> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux
>
> -> Arch provides non-patched, vanilla software; packages are offered from
> -> pure upstream sources, how the author originally intended it be
> -> distributed. Patching only occurs in extremely rare cases, to prevent
> -> severe breakage in the instance of version mismatches that may occur
> -> within a rolling release model.
>
> However I am a multi-Linux/multi-boot kind of guy, who in each and
> every distro I install, heavily depends on their package management
> system to keep me out of dependency hel^Hck... ;-7
>
> And e17 is definitely one "package" that I wouldn't even attempt to
> install by hand.
>
> But of all my currently installed distros, Arch is the one that seems
> most likely to install an unadulterated upstream package, rather than a
> distro specific {modified} version.
>
> Thus I don't think the fact that the only e17 on my laptop that this has
> happened to, is the one in Arch, automatically makes it a distro specific
> issue. It probably only means the Arch e17 is more accurately updated...
> At least that's mt best guess.
>
> I'm not really sure what was the e17 version number that I installed to Arch
> sometime since my mid March initial installation of Arch itself, but as
> of now the e17 "help about" lists it as "Enlightenment 0.16.999.063".
> Prior to this recent "pacman -Syu", e17's run prompt worked normally.
> Afterwards it's become fussy what the first character I input into it is.
> That is to say, I usually start opera via the run prompt and when I type "o" 
> the
> command history displays the last instance of the command And I can in fact
> start opera. Yet I also use firefox {though I usually start that from inside
> alpine}. The other day I tried to start firefox from the run prompt. But as 
> soon as
> I typed an "f" into the first character position of the command input field,
> I got a pop-up error telling me that "Enlightenment SEGV'd" That also
> advised me to compile everything with "-g in CFLAGS" So far, the the restore
> button succeeds in restarting e17 without closing any open applications...
> But of course firefox didn't start. I can start firefox from an xterm. And
> I tested that I can type "of" into the run prompt without an immediate SEGV
> But I can't type an f as the first character. I haven't tested the whole
> alphabet, BUT I did find I can't type a command starting with "b" or "/" as 
> the
> first character either. Though just because I'm stubborn I can tell you that 
> I can
> start firefox [via e17's run prompt] with: "~/../../usr/bin/firefox" (go 
> figure)
>
> I did say I've got a work around that works for me... Since I've also got
> XFCE installed as a back-up desktop, I've reassigned the keybinding I used
> to use to pull up e17's run prompt with, to "/usr/bin/xfrun4". Which works
> just fine.

before you do that enable Everything module which comes with e17 and
make a shortcut for "show Everything dialog". or just "show apps
plugin" in the same section. but there too: current svn will be more
fun ;)

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>
> I don't know if this is a known issue or a new one. But I thought I
> should mention it.
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Re: [e-users] Where to get DR17

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Hi,
documentation for installation of e17 can be found here:
http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/User_Guide.

BR

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Danny  wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I have been using DR17 a few years ago, maybe almost 2 years. The last time I
> downloaded DR17 all the files I needed was at
> download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/LATEST.
>
> A few days ago I went there again and downloaded the files as I used to do. I
> also compiled it in the wy I used to.
>
> I have: (not in compilation order)
>  e_core-0.9.9.063
>  e_dbus-0.5.0.063
>  edje-0.9.93.063
>  efreet-0.5.0.063
>  eina0.9.9.063
>  elementary-0.6.0.63
>  embryo-0.9.9.063
>  enlightenment-0.16.999.063
>  evas-0.9.9.063
>
> I have a clean Debian 5.04 installation and I have been using DR16 for many
> years now.
>
> Everything goes well until I get to edje. I get this from edje's configure
> script:
> 
> checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
> checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
> checking for gcc... gcc
> checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
> checking whether the C compiler works... yes
> checking whether we are cross compiling... no
> checking for suffix of executables...
> checking for suffix of object files... o
> checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
> checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
> checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
> checking for library containing strerror... none required
> checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
> checking whether build environment is sane... yes
> checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p
> checking for gawk... no
> checking for mawk... mawk
> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
> checking for style of include used by make... GNU
> checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3
> checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed
> checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep
> checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E
> checking for fgrep... /bin/grep -F
> checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld
> checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
> checking for BSD- or MS-compatible name lister (nm)... /usr/bin/nm -B
> checking the name lister (/usr/bin/nm -B) interface... BSD nm
> checking whether ln -s works... yes
> checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 98304
> checking whether the shell understands some XSI constructs... yes
> checking whether the shell understands "+="... yes
> checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r
> checking how to recognize dependent libraries... pass_all
> checking for ar... ar
> checking for strip... strip
> checking for ranlib... ranlib
> checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok
> checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
> checking for ANSI C header files... yes
> checking for sys/types.h... yes
> checking for sys/stat.h... yes
> checking for stdlib.h... yes
> checking for string.h... yes
> checking for memory.h... yes
> checking for strings.h... yes
> checking for inttypes.h... yes
> checking for stdint.h... yes
> checking for unistd.h... yes
> checking for dlfcn.h... yes
> checking for objdir... .libs
> checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no
> checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC -DPIC
> checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC -DPIC works... yes
> checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes
> checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes
> checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... (cached) yes
> checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
> checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
> checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
> checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
> checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
> checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
> checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
> checking whether to build static libraries... yes
> checking whether to build edje_cc... yes
> checking for location of Vim data files... /usr/share/vim
> checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
> checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
> checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
> checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... (cached) none needed
> checking whether to build documentation... yes
> checking for doxygen... no
> WARNING:
> The doxygen program was not found in your execute path.
> You may have doxygen installed somewhere not covered by your path.
>
> If this is the case make sure you have the packages installed, AND
> that the doxygen program is in your execute path (see your
> shell manual page on setting the $PATH environment variable), OR
> alternatively, specify the program to use with --with-doxygen.
> checking for a Python interpreter with version >= 2.5... python
> checking for python... /usr/bin/p

Re: [e-users] e-notify

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Hi,

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Wido  wrote:
> Hi guys. I've recently updated lot of KDE stuff from 4.3 to 4.4 (squeeze
> update), and I've noticed that the new k-notify plays nicier with e-notify
> (such as, amarok's notifications or konversation's notification are now seen
> with e's notification). All this is really really nicebut I'm wondering,
> would it be posible to place the notification area somewhere else, instead
> of up-left? not move it to another place, but let the user place it wherever
> he/she likes. I was thinking maybe one of two ways. First one like the
> shelves, 8 positions on the edges. Second one is like Exec/Everything and
> set coordinates
> Just an idea, I'm not using latest svn, so I wouldn't know if that option is
> already there
>
>
it's simplified now. only top/bottom-right/left. no gimmicks

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Re: [e-users] Font size in menu

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Hi,

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mick  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> First post in this list!  :-)
>
> I have after some years of thinking about it installed Enlightenment on my new
> laptop.  The laptop has 1920x1080 resolution, but at 15.6" screen size the
> menu looks really tiny and I struggle to read each entry.
>
> I managed to modify the fonts for anything else on the desktop and I'm almost
> happy on how it looks with the A-Wood-SP theme.  However, I cant make the menu
> fonts increase in size.  How can I achieve this?

for general font sizes you can set scaling in appearance settings

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Re: [e-users] Font size in menu

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On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 1:20 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mick  wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> First post in this list!  :-)
>>
>> I have after some years of thinking about it installed Enlightenment on my 
>> new
>> laptop.  The laptop has 1920x1080 resolution, but at 15.6" screen size the
>> menu looks really tiny and I struggle to read each entry.
>>
>> I managed to modify the fonts for anything else on the desktop and I'm almost
>> happy on how it looks with the A-Wood-SP theme.  However, I cant make the 
>> menu
>> fonts increase in size.  How can I achieve this?
>
> for general font sizes you can set scaling in appearance settings
>
err 'Look' .. named 'appearance' in code :)
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Re: [e-users] Font size in menu

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On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Mick  wrote:
> On Sunday 23 May 2010 12:23:20 hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 1:20 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mick  wrote:
>> >> Hi All,
>> >>
>> >> First post in this list!  :-)
>> >>
>> >> I have after some years of thinking about it installed Enlightenment on
>> >> my new laptop.  The laptop has 1920x1080 resolution, but at 15.6" screen
>> >> size the menu looks really tiny and I struggle to read each entry.
>> >>
>> >> I managed to modify the fonts for anything else on the desktop and I'm
>> >> almost happy on how it looks with the A-Wood-SP theme.  However, I cant
>> >> make the menu fonts increase in size.  How can I achieve this?
>> >
>> > for general font sizes you can set scaling in appearance settings
>>
>> err 'Look' .. named 'appearance' in code :)
>
> Thanks again Hannes,
>
> I may need you to hold my hand on this ... where can I find the 'code'?
> Configuration files in ~/.e/e/config seem binary, rather than text format.
> Since I am not a programmer I can't edit these with a text editor.

whether a text part listens to scale changes is defined in the theme.
in data/themes/default.edc group e/widgets/menu/default/label. but
scaling is set there to one so it should work. if you use the default
theme.

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Re: [e-users] Font size in menu

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On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Mick  wrote:
> On Sunday 23 May 2010 13:57:34 hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Mick  wrote:
>> > On Sunday 23 May 2010 12:23:20 hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 1:20 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mick 
> wrote:
>> >> >> Hi All,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> First post in this list!  :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have after some years of thinking about it installed Enlightenment
>> >> >> on my new laptop.  The laptop has 1920x1080 resolution, but at 15.6"
>> >> >> screen size the menu looks really tiny and I struggle to read each
>> >> >> entry.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I managed to modify the fonts for anything else on the desktop and
>> >> >> I'm almost happy on how it looks with the A-Wood-SP theme.  However,
>> >> >> I cant make the menu fonts increase in size.  How can I achieve this?
>> >> >
>> >> > for general font sizes you can set scaling in appearance settings
>> >>
>> >> err 'Look' .. named 'appearance' in code :)
>> >
>> > Thanks again Hannes,
>> >
>> > I may need you to hold my hand on this ... where can I find the 'code'?
>> > Configuration files in ~/.e/e/config seem binary, rather than text
>> > format. Since I am not a programmer I can't edit these with a text
>> > editor.
>>
>> whether a text part listens to scale changes is defined in the theme.
>> in data/themes/default.edc group e/widgets/menu/default/label. but
>> scaling is set there to one so it should work. if you use the default
>> theme.
>
> Yes, of course, changing back to the default theme and suddenly Scaling works
> fine.  Decreasing DPI to 70 makes the menu fonts larger, however, what I'm
> really trying to find out is:
>
>  isn't there an easy way to change the font size on another theme?
>
> like for example this theme:
>
yes, the maybe not so easy: extract the theme: edje_decc theme.edj.
change the theme group e/widgets/menu/default/label to include
'scaling: 1;' then run ./build.sh in the extracted theme dir. or
contact the author to update the theme.

> http://e17-stuff.org/content/show.php/A-WoodB-SP?content=110281
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[e-users] svn http/https co fails

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Hi,
every now and then svn co does not work giving this result:
~/src/e-svn$ svn co https://svn.enlightenment.org/e/trunk/TEST/app/e test_e
svn: OPTIONS of 'https://svn.enlightenment.org/e/trunk/TEST/app/e':
200 OK (https://svn.enlightenment.org)
and doing nothing more. I heard from other users that they had the same problem.
any ideas what goes wrong?

Regards,
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Re: [e-users] svn http/https co fails

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oh nvm. got the url wrong..

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:41 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
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> Hi,
> every now and then svn co does not work giving this result:
> ~/src/e-svn$ svn co https://svn.enlightenment.org/e/trunk/TEST/app/e test_e
> svn: OPTIONS of 'https://svn.enlightenment.org/e/trunk/TEST/app/e':
> 200 OK (https://svn.enlightenment.org)
> and doing nothing more. I heard from other users that they had the same 
> problem.
> any ideas what goes wrong?
>
> Regards,
> Hannes
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Re: [e-users] opengl rendered background for e17 - was: edje hooks for ecomp/ecomorph

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Hi,

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Jason  wrote:
> All,
>
> Got tired of gnome the other day (old work requirement, at least it wasn't 
> windows), and started digging around the net for something minimalist.  My 
> old friend, enlightenment, got some cool eye candy.  :-)  So I gave it a 
> spin.  And now I'm back on the wagon.
>
> Anyway, I really like the effects ecomorph adds, but I hit a small snag.  I 
> got side tracked onto animated wallpapers and how they work.  I modded the 
> circuit.edj one (just moved stuff to the left) so my gkrellm didn't interfere 
> with the display.  Neat.  I saw that edje can incorporate lua, which gives me 
> the ability to open sockets and do interrupt driven things.
>
ecomorph does not draw the background. it is a window created by e17.

> And there's the problem.  I'd love to receive data from the real world 
> (weather, ntp stats, gps position, latency stats, accelerometer, etc), and 
> render them with opengl to the wallpaper.  I'm thinking a field of grass that 
> bends according to the direction and speed of the wind, or a statue in the 
> sun where the lighting changes according to the orientation of the laptop.
>
> So, is there any way to do opengl rendering with edge?  If so, can someone 
> point me in the right direction?  My internet searches haven't uncovered 
> much...
>
you can render edje with opengl  though you are restricted to what is
possible with evas/edje. you cannot use native opengl commands, doing
the animation you describe will be pretty hard with evas I guess. Best
way I can think of you could achieve an opengl bg atm is to use a
compositing manager, create the opengl bg in a separate window, layer
it below e's bg and make e's bg transparent. If you get the proposed
animation working I would look into the other parts :)

BR

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Re: [e-users] everything + tracker

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On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Wido  wrote:
> Hi to all. First, I'm sure I know the answer: "you have an old E version",
> but I have to ask this anyway. I'm using E17 from the E's repos for debian
> squeeze and the search function in everything worked fine (using tracker).
> But I've updated tracker, currently 0.8.12, and the search doesn't works
> anymore. Is there a chance to make it work without having to compile all E
> again? yes, I'm lazy, don't blame me =(
>

there is only support for tracker 0.8+ for current Everything. it's
not part of e17 anymore though:
 
http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/everything-tracker.

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Re: [e-users] everything + tracker

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On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Wido  wrote:
> is not part as in "it is being developed separatly" or as in "is not being
> developed at all, look for another toy that does this" ?
>
as in 'you'll have to install the plugin separately'. it works and is
maintained.

> 2010/8/2 hannes.janet...@gmail.com 
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Wido  wrote:
>> > Hi to all. First, I'm sure I know the answer: "you have an old E
>> > version",
>> > but I have to ask this anyway. I'm using E17 from the E's repos for
>> > debian
>> > squeeze and the search function in everything worked fine (using
>> > tracker).
>> > But I've updated tracker, currently 0.8.12, and the search doesn't works
>> > anymore. Is there a chance to make it work without having to compile all
>> > E
>> > again? yes, I'm lazy, don't blame me =(
>> >
>>
>> there is only support for tracker 0.8+ for current Everything. it's
>> not part of e17 anymore though:
>>
>>  http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/everything-tracker.
>>
>> BR
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Re: [e-users] ALT-ESC and then run applications

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Hi,

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Karl Sinn  wrote:
>
>> exebuf has been superseded by everything.
>
> Any chance to get tiny functioning little application launcher back?

load 'run everything' and 'everything applications' modules and add a
keybinding for 'show everything dialog'. this should give you the same
behavior as exebuf and is what you get by default with a new
configuration profile. otherwise there is the old exebuf in svn
E-MODULES-EXTRA.

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Re: [e-users] Can I use compiz in E17 ?

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On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:47 AM, waterloo  wrote:
> I am using ecomorph now , but I find I can not open some functions of it .
> Such as : dodge, expo pager , etc.

just add a key-,mouse- or edge-binding for expo. dodge focus animation
does not work.

BR
>
> I use E17 in gentoo , using ecomorph in enlightenment overlay .
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> 2010/11/9 Steven Le Roux 
>
>> Yes
>>
>> Its name is ecomorph.
>>
>>
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Re: [e-users] Can I use compiz in E17 ?

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On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:47 AM, waterloo  wrote:
> where can I find detailed instructions of ecomorph ? thx
>
there are no detailed instructions. if it works it's pretty simple.
from your comment on code.google wiki I guess some plugins failed to
compile (e.g. inotify does check for config changes). maybe check:
http://code.google.com/p/itask-module/issues/detail?id=147

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Re: [e-users] e17 on dbus-daemon crash

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Hi,

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:43 PM, P Purkayastha  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  There were some earlier questions by raster on what happens when
> dbus-daemon crashes or quits while e17 is running. It happened yesterday
> that dbus-daemon crashed (or quit, not sure what happened) and here are my
> observations:
>  1. e17 was running quite fine, with no visible problems.
>  2. restarting e17 would produce an error message that dbus was not running,
> etc.. (don't remember what the error message was). But e17 would restart and
> run just fine.
>  3. Quitting e17 using System -> Logout would actually hang e17 with no
> White box of death. The bt of e17 at this stage is attached.
could you check if it also happens without itask-ng loaded as bt hangs
in _ngi_*. just to make sure that it's not a third party module
causing trouble ;)

>  4. Quitting e17 using Enlightenment -> Exit actually succeeds in quitting
> e17.
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Re: [e-users] e17 on dbus-daemon crash

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On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:41 PM, P Purkayastha  wrote:
> On 11/12/2010 10:43 AM, David Seikel wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:27:10 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
>>   wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:55:29 +0800 P Purkayastha
>>> said:
 I am not using any kind of composite. Maybe it is not e's fault.
 Probably one of the many modules from E-MODULES-EXTRA that I am
 using. Like I mentioned earlier, there are no problems if I use a
 new clean config (with no modules from EXTRA).
>>>
>>> that'd be the best thing you can do - disable modules u use from
>>> e-modules-extra. they are, in general a major vector for bugs like
>>> this.
>>
>> Or at least disable them all, then enable one at a time to see which
>> one is the problem, to help their authors fix the bugs.
>
> Ok. I just tested this dbus - e thing, adding modules one after another
> on a new account, with new config. After loading a new module from
> EXTRA, I kill dbus-launch and dbus-daemon and then I restart e, and then
> I exit e using System -> Logout. Result: no segvs, except for one with
> module places that occured only once, and that I couldn't reproduce any
> time after that first time (sorry, no bt :-( ). Not even itask-ng
> triggered any segvs.
>
> That error popup that "dbus is not present" actually comes from the
> notification module.
>
> But all of the above are with a new config. And I think the segv's I saw
> earlier may have been because
>
>  1. I have an old config in the main account. However, it seems
> unlikely that a config may trigger a segv.
>
btw these strange backtraces can occur when some of e's structs
changed and one forgot to recompile modules using them..  happend to
me sometimes with modules that one loaded once to just try them and
then forgot about them.

>  2. I had used some opengl game a week ago on that login (I tend to
> remain logged in for weeks at a time). Whereas, this time, I had
> restarted the X server (sort of forced to restart for some other reason)
> and done all these tests on the restarted X server. Which means the bug
> may be in the nvidia drivers themselves.
>
> In essence, no bug in e. Kudos to e-devs :D
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Re: [e-users] How to run application with ALT+ESC?

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On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:45 PM, waterloo  wrote:
> How to run application with ALT+ESC? when I choose application in it , it
> always open Property Setting of that application . thx
initial default action should be 'launch'. anyway to fix this for you you can:
select app > tab > select 'launch' > enter. to make this default one
can cheat sorting by ctrl+insert when 'launch' is selected, see
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Re: [e-users] my 'dodge' effect of ecomorph does not work .

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On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM, waterloo  wrote:
> I use gentoo and enlightenment overlay.
> my 'dodge' effect of ecomorph does not work .
> Other effects of ecomorph work.
> What is the matter?
It needs to be fixed.. animation plugin is kind of a mess and I didnt
feel the urge to dig into that. I guess the option should be removed
as long it does not work.

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Re: [e-users] Sliding desktops

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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:17 PM,   wrote:
>
>
> Where can I turn off the "edge of the screen slide" of the desktop? I like
> the multiple desktops but everytime my mouse goes to one corner or the other
> it always slides my work away.  :)
>
> I've searched all over but can't find where that setting would be.
>
in settings panel > input > edge bindings delete the desk flip
bindings. or use ALT+ESC, 'edge' to go to that dialog

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Re: [e-users] How to disable shadow for wbar? (dock application)

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Hi,

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Daniel -  wrote:
> I just built E17 from the sources in the download page, but when i
> lauch wbar (a Mac-like dock) i get a shadow in the right side (but no
> other borders). Do any of you know how to disable the shadow for this
> single application? I cant find anything in the menus.
>
a screenshot would be helpful. are you using a compositing manager or
e's dropshadow module?
If you use a compositing manager (like e.g. composite module which
comes with e17) give itask-ng a try as it probably integrates better
with e17

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Re: [e-users] settings of the weather module in iTask-NG newest version of E17

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On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Karl Sinn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> yesterday I updated my systems to the newest snv of E17.
> Since then I can't change the settings of the weather module in iTask-NG any
> more. (just tried, I can't access the setting of any module in the iTask-NG)
>
The problem is input events are not fed to gadcon items when using non
composite mode currently. I need to fix it.

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Re: [e-users] settings of the weather module in iTask-NG newest version of E17

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Hi,

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Karl Sinn  wrote:
>>
>> The problem is input events are not fed to gadcon items when using non
>> composite mode currently. I need to fix it.
>
> Hi,
>
> please send a message here when the fix is in svn.
>
mouse input for gadcons should be fixed now.

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Re: [e-users] e17 commandline config changes

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Hi,

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:25 AM, Jackson  wrote:
> Hey gents,
>  I'm using an old thinkpad and trying to get e17 screen rotation to work.
> A simple workaround seems to be that I could write a toggle script to get
> and set the Resolution settings -> Screen rotation config option, binding it
> to the laptop's screen rotation button, but I cannot figure out how to get
> or set the config option outside the gui.
>
> I know enlightenment_remote has been deprecated.  Is this the sort of thing
> dbus can be used for?  I've never used dbus and don't know of any other
> potential tools for doing this job, really... if anyone knows anything that
> might help push me in the right direction, I'd love to hear about it.
>
you can set all screen options also with xrandr utility. if you found
the right options you can add a keybinding to  'launch->command'
action with that options. sth like 'xrandr --output LVDS1 --rotate
left'. hope this helps for now.

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Re: [e-users] Can not log in

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ashley Pritchard  wrote:
> I am using Fedora 14 and have manage to install E17 using the Kriehn
> repository. I can select E17 from the GDM menu but when I attempt to log in
> It tried to load the desktop environment but just shows a black screen and
> the mouse turn to the circle and then it goes back to the GDM.
> Any suggestions?

login into failsave or terminal session and run enlightenment_start.
it should show what the problem might be.

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Re: [e-users] Can not log in

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Ashley Pritchard  wrote:
> I get the message:
>
> E - PID=6836, do_precache=0, valgrind=0
> /usr/bin/enlightenment: error while loading shared libraries:
> libeina-ver-svn-06.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
> directory

seems like you have really old packages. and eina library is missing
or wrong version installed
>
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>
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> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:08 AM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
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>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ashley Pritchard 
>> wrote:
>> > I am using Fedora 14 and have manage to install E17 using the Kriehn
>> > repository. I can select E17 from the GDM menu but when I attempt to log
>> > in
>> > It tried to load the desktop environment but just shows a black screen
>> > and
>> > the mouse turn to the circle and then it goes back to the GDM.
>> > Any suggestions?
>>
>> login into failsave or terminal session and run enlightenment_start.
>> it should show what the problem might be.
>>
>> BR
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Re: [e-users] E Built in Compositing Performance is Poor

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2011/3/20 Jochen Schröder :
> This discussion actually reminds of something I have been meaning to
> report for quite a while. I have a desktop system with a low end radeon
> card, and a laptop with integrated intel card. On both systems I'm using
> software engine for composite, because it's significantly faster than
> GL, however when I watch videos (either through vlc/totem or flash) in
> full-screen they become jerky, not terribly but just enough to notice
> (I'd say a frame rate of ~15-17). Checking composite full-screen does
> not make any difference at all. The videos run fine in Gnome with
> composition enabled. Any ideas?
>
If Gnome is using OpenGL for compositing this is probably faster than
software compositing in e17.
Does texture_from_pixmap setting work with comp module?

> Cheers
> Jochen
>
>
>
> On 19/03/11 22:15, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:31:04 +0800 P Purkayastha  said:
>>
>>> It seems to depend on the type of nvidia card you have. I had a T61 with
>>> nvidia card NVS140m with 128M video ram. Composite would be decently fast
>>> for a while, but gradually get very slow after a couple of hours. The
>>> slow-down could be hastened if I dared to run any video via vdpau, or
>>> restart e. ecomorph used to run fine for a while, but eventually get slow
>>> too (in about a day).
>>>
>>> I now have a different laptop with nvidia 310M with 1G video ram. composite
>>> is really fast in this. The card seems able to run without any slowness,
>>> tested for over a week. Restarts of e or playing videos via vdpau has no
>>> slow-down effect.
>>>
>>> The difference between the above two systems was so stark that I believe my
>>> earlier graphics card (or the driver) was just not up to the mark. Also,
>>> probably composite is more taxing and unforgiving on your gpu than
>>> ecomorph/compiz (raster can confirm perhaps?). Eventually, the nvs140m
>>> graphics card died suddenly in the middle of playing a video (the infamous
>>> nvidia hardware problem). This also leads me to believe that the hardware
>>> was not up to the mark.
>>>
>>> raster has always claimed that composite was smooth on his system (that too
>>> with a dual screen setup at high resolution). I presume he has a powerful
>>> enough and recent graphics card.
>>
>> actually have a whole range off them. my desktop has the lowest end nvidia -
>> 8600GTS with only 256m ram. laptop actually is the highest end (gt-330m, 1gb
>> vid ram).
>>
>> as such this slowdown issue is almost certainly some nvidia driver resource
>> leak. you will find that no matter how many times you restart the 
>> enlightenment
>> process, it will remain slow until an Xorg restart.
>>
>> evas is the rendering engine for e17's comp module. that means it needs what
>> evas needs. evas needs a GLSL capable GPU. old GPU's just don't cut it and
>> drivers that don't support GLSL (properly and efficiently) will be poor. As
>> such a good driver that supports GLSL will perform equally well as compiz. 
>> just
>> the baseline support requirement for evas's rendering is higher than compiz
>> (needs newer card and decent drivers). As such all nvidia cards have done 
>> full
>> hardware shaders that are GLSL capable since the GF6xxx series. there will be
>> no difference between GLSL and fixed function on these level of cards and up 
>> as
>> all the fixed pipeline is implemented as shaders anyway. apparently the open
>> radeon drivers don't (properly) support GLSL shaders, so with ati you're
>> screwed unless you use the gallium drivers i understand. they can do shaders
>> right. fglrx (closed drivers) do do shaders right, but fglrx just cant 
>> properly
>> handle direct rendering + compositing, so texture-from-pixmap exhibits bugs.
>> nvidia handles this just fine. the intel drivers do shaders just fine on the
>> 945GM i have and work just fine with e17's comp and speed is good. no 
>> resource
>> leak issues.
>>
>> you may want to try the newest nvidia drivers and combinations to see if
>> issues went away. jeffdammeth also suspects loose binding of textures may
>> trigger it, though compiz also can use loose binding (loose binding is a good
>> speedup for nvidia - or was). it might be interesting to disable loose 
>> bindings
>> on nvidia (see evas_x_main.c in the gl_x11 engine where it does
>> gw->detected.loose_binding = 1 when detecting nvidia).
>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Jeff Hooglandwrote:
>>>
 Howdy There,

 So I finally got Evas/Ecore to build with OpenGL support - so my
 compositing
 is now running in OpenGL mode (instead of software) and much to my dismay
 everything still runs horridly slow on my nvidia graphics card!
 Ecomorph/other three-d run just fine, but E's built in compositing is just
 a
 dog. It is lessthan smooth when changing desktops and it cuts the FPS I see
 when gaming down to 1/3 of what it normally is. Is this normal or is
 something wrong with my setup?
>>>

Re: [e-users] Smart Expansion + Fill Available Space

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
> Is there a way to have Window Management use both "Smart Expansion" and
> "Fill Available Space"? I really like the latter setting, but when it is
> toggle windows always open over lapping my shelves and in general act fairly
> "dumb".
>
And what is the problem with just using 'smart expansion' then?

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Re: [e-users] Smart Expansion + Fill Available Space

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:

> On Sun Mar 27 2011 10:41:25 AM CDT, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
>> wrote:
>> > Is there a way to have Window Management use both "Smart Expansion" and
>> > "Fill Available Space"? I really like the latter setting, but when it
>> > is toggle windows always open over lapping my shelves and in general
>> > act fairly "dumb".
>> >
>> And what is the problem with just using 'smart expansion' then?
>>
> It allows windows over lap shelves that are set to "don't allow windows to
> over lap"
>

Isn't it the other way round? smart expansion should maximize windows
so that they do not overlap shelves that do not allow overlapping.
what is it that you really want? does smart expansion not fill the
space that you want it to?

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Re: [e-users] Smart Expansion + Fill Available Space

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
>
> On Sun Mar 27 2011 11:25:55 AM CDT, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun Mar 27 2011 10:41:25 AM CDT, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > > Is there a way to have Window Management use both "Smart
>> > > > Expansion" and "Fill Available Space"? I really like the latter
>> > > > setting, but when it is toggle windows always open over lapping my
>> > > > shelves and in general act fairly "dumb".
>> > > >
>> > > And what is the problem with just using 'smart expansion' then?
>> > >
>> > It allows windows over lap shelves that are set to "don't allow
>> > windows to over lap"
>> >
>>
>> Isn't it the other way round? smart expansion should maximize windows
>> so that they do not overlap shelves that do not allow overlapping.
>> what is it that you really want? does smart expansion not fill the
>> space that you want it to?
>>
> It fills open space, but it seems to ignore shelves when first opened. For

What is 'it'? what is the effect that makes you think that shelves are ignored?

> instance on smart expansion opening firefox fills the screen minus the
> shelf. On fill space, firefox opens filling the whole screen even my
> shelves.

That is how these maximize methods are supposed to work. what would be better?

>
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>> > ~Jeff
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Re: [e-users] Smart Expansion + Fill Available Space

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:07 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
>>
>> On Sun Mar 27 2011 11:25:55 AM CDT, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Sun Mar 27 2011 10:41:25 AM CDT, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland
>>> > >  wrote:
>>> > > > Is there a way to have Window Management use both "Smart
>>> > > > Expansion" and "Fill Available Space"? I really like the latter
>>> > > > setting, but when it is toggle windows always open over lapping my
>>> > > > shelves and in general act fairly "dumb".
>>> > > >
>>> > > And what is the problem with just using 'smart expansion' then?
>>> > >
>>> > It allows windows over lap shelves that are set to "don't allow
>>> > windows to over lap"
>>> >
>>>
>>> Isn't it the other way round? smart expansion should maximize windows
>>> so that they do not overlap shelves that do not allow overlapping.
>>> what is it that you really want? does smart expansion not fill the
>>> space that you want it to?
>>>
>> It fills open space, but it seems to ignore shelves when first opened. For
>
> What is 'it'? what is the effect that makes you think that shelves are 
> ignored?
>
>> instance on smart expansion opening firefox fills the screen minus the
>> shelf. On fill space, firefox opens filling the whole screen even my
>> shelves.
>
> That is how these maximize methods are supposed to work. what would be better?
>
though firefox would need to remember and set maximized state on start
otherwise no maximize policy at all is used when opening a window

>>
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>>> > ~Jeff
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Re: [e-users] Smart Expansion + Fill Available Space

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:07 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sun Mar 27 2011 11:25:55 AM CDT, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Sun Mar 27 2011 10:41:25 AM CDT, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland
>> >> > >  wrote:
>> >> > > > Is there a way to have Window Management use both "Smart
>> >> > > > Expansion" and "Fill Available Space"? I really like the latter
>> >> > > > setting, but when it is toggle windows always open over lapping
>> >> > > > my
>> >> > > > shelves and in general act fairly "dumb".
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > And what is the problem with just using 'smart expansion' then?
>> >> > >
>> >> > It allows windows over lap shelves that are set to "don't allow
>> >> > windows to over lap"
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Isn't it the other way round? smart expansion should maximize windows
>> >> so that they do not overlap shelves that do not allow overlapping.
>> >> what is it that you really want? does smart expansion not fill the
>> >> space that you want it to?
>> >>
>> > It fills open space, but it seems to ignore shelves when first opened.
>> > For
>>
>> What is 'it'? what is the effect that makes you think that shelves are
>> ignored?
>>
>> > instance on smart expansion opening firefox fills the screen minus the
>> > shelf. On fill space, firefox opens filling the whole screen even my
>> > shelves.
>>
>> That is how these maximize methods are supposed to work. what would be
>> better?
>>
> What I am looking for that is not currently happening -
>
> Shelves that are suppose to not let windows over lap them should never have
> windows over lap then. Regardless of if the window state is set to "smart
> expansion" or "fill available space".
>
Ok, I guess one part is a problem with initial placement of windows
that are larger than the available space without overlapping
shelves(useful geometry)  and the other is a bug in fill policy that
it does not take non-overlap shelves into account. For the first one
could resize initial window to be within 'useful geometry' though not
sure what side effects this might have. If you keep firefox smaller
than useful geometry it shouldnt overlap with shelves when opening it
or does it?


> Sorry, should have been more clear on what I was looking for.
>
> ~Jeff
>
>> >
>> > ~Jeff
>> >> > ~Jeff
>> >> >
>> >> > > > Regards,
>> >> > > > ~Jeff
>> >> > > >
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Re: [e-users] Smart Expansion + Fill Available Space

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
> What do you mean by "useful geometry"?
>
"the available space without overlapping shelves"(useful geometry)

>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:03 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
>> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:07 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Jeff Hoogland 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun Mar 27 2011 11:25:55 AM CDT, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Sun Mar 27 2011 10:41:25 AM CDT, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>> >> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland
>> >> >> > >  wrote:
>> >> >> > > > Is there a way to have Window Management use both "Smart
>> >> >> > > > Expansion" and "Fill Available Space"? I really like the
>> >> >> > > > latter
>> >> >> > > > setting, but when it is toggle windows always open over
>> >> >> > > > lapping
>> >> >> > > > my
>> >> >> > > > shelves and in general act fairly "dumb".
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > And what is the problem with just using 'smart expansion' then?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > It allows windows over lap shelves that are set to "don't allow
>> >> >> > windows to over lap"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Isn't it the other way round? smart expansion should maximize
>> >> >> windows
>> >> >> so that they do not overlap shelves that do not allow overlapping.
>> >> >> what is it that you really want? does smart expansion not fill the
>> >> >> space that you want it to?
>> >> >>
>> >> > It fills open space, but it seems to ignore shelves when first
>> >> > opened.
>> >> > For
>> >>
>> >> What is 'it'? what is the effect that makes you think that shelves are
>> >> ignored?
>> >>
>> >> > instance on smart expansion opening firefox fills the screen minus
>> >> > the
>> >> > shelf. On fill space, firefox opens filling the whole screen even my
>> >> > shelves.
>> >>
>> >> That is how these maximize methods are supposed to work. what would be
>> >> better?
>> >>
>> > What I am looking for that is not currently happening -
>> >
>> > Shelves that are suppose to not let windows over lap them should never
>> > have
>> > windows over lap then. Regardless of if the window state is set to
>> > "smart
>> > expansion" or "fill available space".
>> >
>> Ok, I guess one part is a problem with initial placement of windows
>> that are larger than the available space without overlapping
>> shelves(useful geometry)  and the other is a bug in fill policy that
>> it does not take non-overlap shelves into account. For the first one
>> could resize initial window to be within 'useful geometry' though not
>> sure what side effects this might have. If you keep firefox smaller
>> than useful geometry it shouldnt overlap with shelves when opening it
>> or does it?
>>
>>
>> > Sorry, should have been more clear on what I was looking for.
>> >
>> > ~Jeff
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ~Jeff
>> >> >> > ~Jeff
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > > Regards,
>> >> >> > > > ~Jeff
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > --
>> >> >> > > > E

Re: [e-users] Anyone User the Drawer Module?

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On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Karl Sinn  wrote:
>> > BTW this is the list of modules that don't compile here:
>> > drawer
you are probably missing ethumb or have an outdated version of it

>> > everything-skel
is a base to write everyting plugins. not intended to build by users

>> > exebuf
is missing a po file. if no one fixes it. i'll just add an empty file
for it which makes it compile

>> > xkbswitch
is in development

>>
>> everything-skel is probably only required if you are a dev and you want to
>> write plugins for "everything" module. exebuf is obsoleted by "everything"
>> module. xkbswitch is probably very new (I don't remember seeing or using it
>> earlier).
>
> Which means that I didn't do any mistake and that it's "normal" that they
> don't compile?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [e-users] Your Favorite/Best Enlightenment Tips and Tricks

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On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Mick  wrote:
> Actually, you may want to try Itask-ng instead, I suspect that this is the
> latest and greatest in the e17 world and it is based on engage.  I am not
> clear on the differences between the two.
>
itask-ng is now engage. svn up itask-ng will tell you :) and yes it
initally used the zoom function of the old  engage.

>
> On Tuesday 26 April 2011 15:05:55 Jeff Hoogland wrote:
>> Never heard of that module Mick - will be giving it a compile later this
>> afternoon!
>>
>> @Wido - would love to see some clever desktop layout screen shots :)
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Mick  wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 26 April 2011 06:17:21 Jeff Hoogland wrote:
>> > > I've had requests from some newer Bodhi users that I put together a
>> >
>> > weekly
>> >
>> > > "tips and tricks" article to help new people learn the E desktop
>> > > better.
>> >
>> > I
>> >
>> > > like to think I know my way around the desktop fairly well, but I am
>> > > sure there are still more than a few things I could learn. What are
>> > > some of
>> >
>> > your
>> >
>> > > favorite things that help make E your favorite desktop? Anything you'd
>> >
>> > like
>> >
>> > > to share with new E users?
>> >
>> > I like the engage module for small screens, especially when combined with
>> > poor
>> > eye-sight.  ;-)
>> >
>> > OK it looks a bit apple-mac, but besides the eye-candy it magnifies the
>> > iBar
>> > contents so that you can see what you are clicking on.
>> >
>> > This allows an even smaller ibar to keep things minimalistic, but without
>> > compromising functionality.
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Re: [e-users] Your Favorite/Best Enlightenment Tips and Tricks

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On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:18 PM, David Steiner
 wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:17:21 -0500
> Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
>
>> I've had requests from some newer Bodhi users that I put together a
>> weekly "tips and tricks" article to help new people learn the E
>> desktop better. I like to think I know my way around the desktop
>> fairly well, but I am sure there are still more than a few things I
>> could learn. What are some of your favorite things that help make E
>> your favorite desktop? Anything you'd like to share with new E users?
>>
>
> * i like the defaults in the Standard profile. the look of it
>  (especially that grided background), and the shelf at the bottom.
>
> * the everything launcher is a life saver.
>
> * ecomorph, with expose like overview bound to a special key or mouse
>  button.
>
have you tried e17 comp module? there is now also comp-scale for e17
in e-modules-extra which provides the expo and scale effect

> * many more that i cant think of now
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Re: [e-users] Your Favorite/Best Enlightenment Tips and Tricks

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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
> Didn't know about comp-scale module! Are there any other goodies hiding in
> SVN that extend upon the E built in compositing manager?
>
no other comp effects yet that i know of. if i add more they will
probably be named comp-* :) for public announcements seems we are all
too old school or too busy to keep planet.e up to date. subscribe to
e-commit ml to know when new stuff drops


> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:23 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:18 PM, David Steiner
>>  wrote:
>> > On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:17:21 -0500
>> > Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've had requests from some newer Bodhi users that I put together a
>> >> weekly "tips and tricks" article to help new people learn the E
>> >> desktop better. I like to think I know my way around the desktop
>> >> fairly well, but I am sure there are still more than a few things I
>> >> could learn. What are some of your favorite things that help make E
>> >> your favorite desktop? Anything you'd like to share with new E users?
>> >>
>> >
>> > * i like the defaults in the Standard profile. the look of it
>> >  (especially that grided background), and the shelf at the bottom.
>> >
>> > * the everything launcher is a life saver.
>> >
>> > * ecomorph, with expose like overview bound to a special key or mouse
>> >  button.
>> >
>> have you tried e17 comp module? there is now also comp-scale for e17
>> in e-modules-extra which provides the expo and scale effect
>>
>> > * many more that i cant think of now
>> >
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Re: [e-users] Fwd: E17, missing icons in shelf

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On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Brittany Dunlap  wrote:
> I loaded the system tray module but I don't see any change. And loading
> nm-applet did not do anything.
>

did you add systray module to a shelf? right click on shelf -> shelf..
-> contents

BR

> brittany@dunlap ~ $ nm-applet &
> [1] 4034
> brittany@dunlap ~ $ ** Message: applet now removed from the notification
> area
> ** (nm-applet:4034): DEBUG: old state indicates that this was not a
> disconnect 0
> ** (nm-applet:4034): DEBUG: old state indicates that this was not a
> disconnect 0
>
> Brittany
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
>
>> Load the system tray module and launch *nm-applet*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Brittany Dunlap wrote:
>>
>>> aha! I found the icon theme selector. That worked. I changed it to a
>>> random one and it fixed the missing icons. Thanks!! Whew! Now if I can
>>> fix the wifi not working upon login... :)
>>>
>>> Brittany
>>>
>>> On 04/28/2011 09:56 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>> > On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 21:47:50 -0400 Brittany Dunlap
>>>  said:
>>> >
>>> > tried selecting an icon theme in e's settings panel (this is something e
>>> can't
>>> > do by default as every distribution may or may not ship with different
>>> themes,
>>> > so integrators should set this up right).
>>> >
>>> >> I am a new user to Enlightenment in general. I'm using Linux Mint 10
>>> >> Main edition (Gnome). I installed e17. During E setup I selected apps
>>> to
>>> >> appear in the shelf. Most of the apps are missing icons yet the are
>>> >> still there when I mouse-over the icons. I don't know how to fix this.
>>> I
>>> >> tried selecting an icon for the app but it changed it in gnome but not
>>> >> in e17, it remained blank. How can I fix this?
>>> >>
>>> >> Brittany
>>> >>
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Re: [e-users] Compositing Issue on Intel Chipsets with Recent Updates

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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
> Anyone else having issues with compositing on Intel cards with recent
> updates? It was working 100% fine and then last week the updates started
> showing what the attached image is. All torn and cracked out looking...
>
> http://i.imgur.com/iRyrH.png
>
> Setting the system to use software render gives the same results. Using
> OpenGL option was working just fine a few revisions ago.
>

Intel drivers are breaking often. Get an older version or wait for a new one :)

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Re: [e-users] Newbie e17 questions

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On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Nathan Hüsken  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am new to e17 and have a questions I was unable to figure out:
>
> How to I set/change the keyboard shortcut for running "run everything"?
> I know how to set a keyboard shortcut, I just do not know how I can
> connect it to "run everything".
>
The action is called 'show everything launcher'

> Also, can I have somehow an digital and not an analog clock in the shelf?
>

with current svn you can change the clock to digital mode. otherwise
there is tclock module.

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Re: [e-users] Newbie e17 questions

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On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Alex-P. Natsios  wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 11:29 PM,   wrote:
>>I don't think Ubuntu comes with developer tools by default, so op would
>>likely need to install a whole dev group package first.  I recommend that he
>>do so at his leisure, and learn while he's at it, as the ability to compile
>>opens up a whole new vista of possibilities.
>>
>>Terry
>
> ups, Terry send me a direct message so i only directly replied to him ...
>
> [on topic]
>
> ah right, Ubuntu doesn't provide the tools for that.. so in order to
> build it he will need the "build-essentials" package which installs
> the necessary development tools.
>
> However as raster said current e17 builds provide such a clock so
> well, unless there is no other way, being up to date with it is
> advised
>

Unfortunately there is still no ppa for e17 snapshots, but being up to
date with e is not that hard either, see
http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Installation for a guide.


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Re: [e-users] comp-scale fails to compile

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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
> Dieing out with the following message:
>
> root@archosgen8:/media/sda5/Bodhi/e17_debs/20110627/comp-scale_20110627#
> make
> make  all-recursive
> make[1]: Entering directory
> `/root/sda5/Bodhi/e17_debs/20110627/comp-scale_20110627'
> Making all in src
> make[2]: Entering directory
> `/root/sda5/Bodhi/e17_debs/20110627/comp-scale_20110627/src'
>  CC     e_mod_pager.lo
> e_mod_pager.c: In function ‘_pager_redraw’:
> e_mod_pager.c:175:9: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘}’ token
> make[2]: *** [e_mod_pager.lo] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/root/sda5/Bodhi/e17_debs/20110627/comp-scale_20110627/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/root/sda5/Bodhi/e17_debs/20110627/comp-scale_20110627'
> make: *** [all] Error 2
>
> Fresh SVN check out. Anyone else having this issue?
>

fixed.


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Re: [e-users] EFM and E17 release

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On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
> I'll drop a post on the Bodhi boards later today letting people know to help 
> test.
>
> Are there any plans to expand functionality before the .17 release or are we 
> just looking to stabilize what is already done?

I would like to add efm_nav and efm_pathbar to fileman module so that
efm becomes useful in browser-mode (vs spatial mode) before release.


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> On Mon Aug   8 2011 02:18:50 AM CDT, Cedric BAIL  wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>>       This time, we need user and tester. One of the item for the release
>> is to stabilize and make efm usable. I did a quick look in our
>> tracker, http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/report, and their is a few
>> entry for efm, but much less than what I expect. So I would like if
>> some of you have time, is to try and play with efm to trigger as much
>> as odd stuff as you can, put it in the tracker and assign it to me
>> ('cedric'). I plan to go after them during August.
>>
>> So I am waiting for your help guys !
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Re: [e-users] Hiding shelves

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On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Gary Witscher  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I like to hide selves and have them set so that I have to click on them
> to open them. This works fine for shelves that are on the sides of my
> screen, but top and bottom shelves don't have enough shelf exposed when
> they are hidden to click on.
>
> Maybe this is a screen issue with my laptop. Has anyone else had this
> issue? Is there any "work around" for this?
>

this is probably a theme issue. also when the shelf is transparent in
that area and no composite is used then it will receive no mouse input
as the window will be shaped. which theme are you using?

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Re: [e-users] detourious fonts

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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> After finally getting a build to finish, I saw the new fonts in
> detourious - whoa.  Very small.
> In the fonts panel, I can adjust the size of the text, but this doesn't
> appear to control some things.  For instance:
>
> Text in "everything" is still abnormally small.
> The Settings Panel description text at the bottom is too small to
> identify as text.
>
> Any way I can fix the rest?
>
Have you tried scaling settings in look? though this dejavu fonts
scales badly. it keeps exactly one pixel line width and the bold font
is too bold.. but no good default font that provides charset for most
languages.

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Re: [e-users] Problem starting ecomp

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Reese Chappuis  wrote:
> I have ecomorph and ecomp successfully installed on Arch Linux, but when I
> press the "Start ecomp" button, this error comes up:
>
> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
> Trying again with indirect rendering:
> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
>

it means that your card or more likely your driver does support
feature required by ecomp.
google:  "texture_from_pixmap not present your_card your_distro"
you'll find plenty advice :)

BR

> I found this issue reported here,
> http://code.google.com/p/itask-module/issues/detail?id=147, and looked for
> the --as-needed in LDFLAGS, but both Makefiles didn't have anything in the
> LDFLAGS field.
>
> Does anyone know how to fix this?
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Re: [e-users] Ecomorph vs comp-scale

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On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Reese Chappuis  wrote:
> I've been trying to set up Ecomorph lately, but there's been talk on IRC on
> how Ecomorph is dead and deprecated, and comp-scale is the new substitute.
> I've looked into comp-scale and gotten it installed, but I haven't been able
> to find a description of it, nor figure out how to configure it. Could
> someone clarify these things?
>

Add key-,mouse- or edge-bindings for scale-windows and scale-pager.
Options for the effects can be found in settings>look>comp scale

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Re: [e-users] e_ukit segv with bt - was Everything Starter crash

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On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Dale Snell  wrote:
> Just found another crash in svn rev 63227.  I clicked on the
> Everything Starter icon, selected Games -> Cards -> AisleRiot
> Solitair, and thud! E crashed.  At least this time I could
> recover, I wasn't sent back to the login screen.  I was able to
> get a gdb backtrace and fpasted it.  It's at
>
> http://fpaste.org/GZy0/

does not look like evry is involved here.

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Re: [e-users] Engage Prob.

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Hi,

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:07 PM, rob  wrote:
> Seeing engage mentioned earlier in the list, I thought I'd give it a
> try. I previously used ItaskNG.
> The problem is with engage loaded I get a large black bar across the
> bottom of the screen. See
> https://picasaweb.google.com/114827965655758262265/E17EnGage for
> screenshots.

this means that you have argb option enabled in engine-settings
without having a compositing manager running.


> I tried removing engage/itaskNG cfg files from .e/e/config but that
> didn't resolve the problem.
> E17 r63119
> Engage r63445
> Debian packaged fglrx-driver
> Linux debian 3.0.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP
>
> Thanks
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Re: [e-users] Engage Prob.

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On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:10 PM, rob  wrote:
> On 18/09/11 18:31, hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:07 PM, rob  wrote:
>>> Seeing engage mentioned earlier in the list, I thought I'd give it a
>>> try. I previously used ItaskNG.
>>> The problem is with engage loaded I get a large black bar across the
>>> bottom of the screen. See
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/114827965655758262265/E17EnGage for
>>> screenshots.
>> this means that you have argb option enabled in engine-settings
>> without having a compositing manager running.
>
>
> Thank you
>

fixed engage now to check if comp module is loaded instead of checking
argb option (which is set by comp but not unset when the module
becomes unloaded)

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[e-users] [ANNOUNCE] ubuntu nightly builds ppa open for testing

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Hey,

there is now a ppa for ubuntu which does daily builds of e17, efl and
some more stuff. Currently it builds for natty, maverick and oneiric,
when someone needs packages for older versions of ubuntu I can add
more.

ppa:hannes-janetzek/enlightenment-svn


This is my first try on doing sth with packaging so suggestions and
help is welcome.


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Re: [e-users] e17setroot

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On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
> What is e17setroot?

fake transparency stuff. nothing you'll use unless you want to make a
real retro setup :p

>
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2011, Larry Wyble  wrote:
>> Where do I find e17setroot? I googled but never came across it. And I
>> don't find it on the E17 web site.
>>
it came with Eterm iirc. dont know if it's still in there. might need
to check svn history.

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[e-users] [ANNOUNCE] new settings-daemon module

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Hey,

I've added xsettings-module to e-modules-extra. it's pretty much proto
but it does what I mostly wanted it for:

- set global icon theme to match the one selected in e17.

- adding 'data { "gtk-theme" "theme_name"; }' to e17 themes allows to
automatically use a gtk theme matching e17 theme.

in config dialog one can override these options to set themes explicitly.


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Re: [e-users] [ANNOUNCE] new settings-daemon module

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On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Carsten Haitzler  wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 04:37:05 +0200 "hannes.janet...@gmail.com"
>  said:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I've added xsettings-module to e-modules-extra. it's pretty much proto
>> but it does what I mostly wanted it for:
>>
>> - set global icon theme to match the one selected in e17.
>>
>> - adding 'data { "gtk-theme" "theme_name"; }' to e17 themes allows to
>> automatically use a gtk theme matching e17 theme.
>>
>> in config dialog one can override these options to set themes explicitly.
>
> dude - this shouldn't be in modules-extra... it should be in core e! :) many
> years ago i poked around the xsettings thing mentally deciding we had to add
> this to e, but i just never got to it.
>

yes, i would also like it to be in core when it becomes more mature.
should it go into conf_theme then?

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Re: [e-users] [ANNOUNCE] new settings-daemon module

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On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Wido  wrote:
> Sorry to be a jerkbut if it's going to be 'native' support for GTK
> themes, shouldn't also be the same level of support for QT?
>
do you know how to tell qt to use a specific theme or to list themes
available to qt? It would be good if qt could use XSettings spec.
actually the property i set is Net/IconThemeName so it seems to be
intended to work cross toolkit. though this spec seems to be only used
by gtk.. I don't have a clue about how to do these things with qt.
patches welcome :)

> I mean, not everybody is a GTK fanboy =)
>
> El 24 de septiembre de 2011 02:41, Carsten Haitzler
> escribió:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 05:37:07 +0200 "hannes.janet...@gmail.com"
>>  said:
>>
>> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Carsten Haitzler 
>> > wrote:
>> > > On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 04:37:05 +0200 "hannes.janet...@gmail.com"
>> > >  said:
>> > >
>> > >> Hey,
>> > >>
>> > >> I've added xsettings-module to e-modules-extra. it's pretty much proto
>> > >> but it does what I mostly wanted it for:
>> > >>
>> > >> - set global icon theme to match the one selected in e17.
>> > >>
>> > >> - adding 'data { "gtk-theme" "theme_name"; }' to e17 themes allows to
>> > >> automatically use a gtk theme matching e17 theme.
>> > >>
>> > >> in config dialog one can override these options to set themes
>> explicitly.
>> > >
>> > > dude - this shouldn't be in modules-extra... it should be in core e! :)
>> many
>> > > years ago i poked around the xsettings thing mentally deciding we had
>> to add
>> > > this to e, but i just never got to it.
>> > >
>> >
>> > yes, i would also like it to be in core when it becomes more mature.
>> > should it go into conf_theme then?
>>
>> well the xsettings core support should not even be a module
>> just in e's main code. configuration - eg to provide a gtk theme, shoudl go
>> into conf_theme. the others (icon theme) are already there - just recycle
>> e's
>> config. i'd say the conf_theme should provide a dialog to select gtk theme
>> (from installed themes on system) in a list. that's it. with one option
>> added
>> to the list "let enlightenment theme decide". from memory xsettings can set
>> up
>> fonts, dpi and other things too. probably something to add to the conf
>> scale
>> dialog and to conf_fonts dialog in e etc.
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Re: [e-users] [ANNOUNCE] new settings-daemon module

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On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Wido  wrote:
> First, I don't know how to code, so I can't send patches :( (sorry for that)
>
> Second, I like more QT (as in kde) apps, so I set GTK to mimic QT by using
> oxygen-gtk theme or qtCurve theme.
>
> I think Hannes work is awesome, I'm just saying that lot of people uses GTK
> as well as QT apps, so why only support one type of toolkit?
>
> I know, I know, there are tons of different toolkits, but being GTK and QT
> the two most used, I think is not fair to just include one of them 'just
> because I like it most'.
>
> I can understand if this is technically non-viable, I'm fine with that. But
> saying 'I don't know how it works and I don't care'.sounds kind of
> mediocre (sorry if it's sounds rude, that's not the point really)
>
> Am I wrong to think this way?
>

As far as i can see it's not possible for e to set kde themes in
general in a sane way. with gtk you have a theme file that defines
which engine is used + all engine options. so only theme name needs to
be set. with qt you have to set a style engine that can store it's
config somewhere unknown to qt/kde (bespin e.g.) + color scheme. so
one would need to know for each engine where it stores its settings to
write its config. furthermore there is no spec which says where qt/kde
writes its config or which signal is used to tell app to update their
config. Then i dont like the idea to write to qt config files spread
all over the place, so i would suggest to ask Qt people to adopt
xsettings spec :)

http://www.redhat.com/archives/xdg-list/2001-March/msg3.html
http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html


Regards,
Hannes
>
> And again, I'm not a coder, so I'm really sorry that I can't submit patches
> to do so
>
> El 25 de septiembre de 2011 08:52, Thomas Gstädtner
> escribió:
>
>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:06, Carsten Haitzler 
>> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:45:47 -0500 Jeff Hoogland 
>> said:
>> >
>> > if E set this by DEFAULT (there is some qt gtk theme engine that can use
>> gtk
>> > themes and theme engines mostly in qt), that'd be best, but i have no
>> idea how
>> > qt/kde does this... so patches accepted.
>> >
>> >> Set your QT apps to use your current GTK then _ then this is already
>> done :)
>> >>
>> >> On Saturday, September 24, 2011, Carsten Haitzler > >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 00:26:08 +0200 "hannes.janet...@gmail.coms"
>> >> >  said:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Wido  wrote:
>> >> >> > Sorry to be a jerkbut if it's going to be 'native' support for
>> GTK
>> >> >> > themes, shouldn't also be the same level of support for QT?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> do you know how to tell qt to use a specific theme or to list themes
>> >> >> available to qt? It would be good if qt could use XSettings spec.
>> >> >> actually the property i set is Net/IconThemeName so it seems to be
>> >> >> intended to work cross toolkit. though this spec seems to be only
>> used
>> >> >> by gtk.. I don't have a clue about how to do these things with qt.
>> >> >> patches welcome :)
>> >> >
>> >> > as jeff said - patches welcome. xsettings is something gtk/gnome uses
>> and
>> >> > supports, and jeff did the footwork of implementing. now it's just a
>> >> matter of
>> >> > glueing it into all the right spots and adding a few more config vars
>> and
>> >> maybe
>> >> > a few widgets in the config dialogs to swizzle them.
>> >> >
>> >> > if there are qt/kde mechamisms... please send the code! :)
>> >> >
>> >> >> > I mean, not everybody is a GTK fanboy =)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > El 24 de septiembre de 2011 02:41, Carsten Haitzler
>> >> >> > escribió:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 05:37:07 +0200 "hannes.janet...@gmail.com"
>> >> >> >>  said:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Carsten Haitzler <
>> >> ras...@rasterman.com>
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 04:37:05 +0200 &quo

Re: [e-users] Everything Starter Gadget Causes SegFaults

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
> Anyone else getting consistent segfaults when trying to launch something
> from the everything starter gadget? Launching the everything launcher via a
> hotkey works perfectly fine, but launching via a gadget causes dumps every
> time here :-/

thanks for reporting. should be fixed now.

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Re: [e-users] [ANNOUNCE] new settings-daemon module

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Flanagin  wrote:
> Stupid Question, but where can I find the xsettings module in svn ?
>

it's gone. moved to e17 :) options are under look->applications


> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:23 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com <
> hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Wido  wrote:
>> > First, I don't know how to code, so I can't send patches :( (sorry for
>> that)
>> >
>> > Second, I like more QT (as in kde) apps, so I set GTK to mimic QT by
>> using
>> > oxygen-gtk theme or qtCurve theme.
>> >
>> > I think Hannes work is awesome, I'm just saying that lot of people uses
>> GTK
>> > as well as QT apps, so why only support one type of toolkit?
>> >
>> > I know, I know, there are tons of different toolkits, but being GTK and
>> QT
>> > the two most used, I think is not fair to just include one of them 'just
>> > because I like it most'.
>> >
>> > I can understand if this is technically non-viable, I'm fine with that.
>> But
>> > saying 'I don't know how it works and I don't care'.sounds kind of
>> > mediocre (sorry if it's sounds rude, that's not the point really)
>> >
>> > Am I wrong to think this way?
>> >
>>
>> As far as i can see it's not possible for e to set kde themes in
>> general in a sane way. with gtk you have a theme file that defines
>> which engine is used + all engine options. so only theme name needs to
>> be set. with qt you have to set a style engine that can store it's
>> config somewhere unknown to qt/kde (bespin e.g.) + color scheme. so
>> one would need to know for each engine where it stores its settings to
>> write its config. furthermore there is no spec which says where qt/kde
>> writes its config or which signal is used to tell app to update their
>> config. Then i dont like the idea to write to qt config files spread
>> all over the place, so i would suggest to ask Qt people to adopt
>> xsettings spec :)
>>
>> http://www.redhat.com/archives/xdg-list/2001-March/msg3.html
>> http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hannes
>> >
>> > And again, I'm not a coder, so I'm really sorry that I can't submit
>> patches
>> > to do so
>> >
>> > El 25 de septiembre de 2011 08:52, Thomas Gstädtner
>> > escribió:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:06, Carsten Haitzler 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:45:47 -0500 Jeff Hoogland
>> 
>> >> said:
>> >> >
>> >> > if E set this by DEFAULT (there is some qt gtk theme engine that can
>> use
>> >> gtk
>> >> > themes and theme engines mostly in qt), that'd be best, but i have no
>> >> idea how
>> >> > qt/kde does this... so patches accepted.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Set your QT apps to use your current GTK then _ then this is already
>> >> done :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Saturday, September 24, 2011, Carsten Haitzler <
>> ras...@rasterman.com
>> >> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 00:26:08 +0200 "hannes.janet...@gmail.coms"
>> >> >> >  said:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Wido  wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Sorry to be a jerkbut if it's going to be 'native' support
>> for
>> >> GTK
>> >> >> >> > themes, shouldn't also be the same level of support for QT?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> do you know how to tell qt to use a specific theme or to list
>> themes
>> >> >> >> available to qt? It would be good if qt could use XSettings spec.
>> >> >> >> actually the property i set is Net/IconThemeName so it seems to be
>> >> >> >> intended to work cross toolkit. though this spec seems to be only
>> >> used
>> >> >> >> by gtk.. I don't have a clue about how to do these things with qt.
>> >> >> >> patches welcome :)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > as jeff said - patches welcome. xsettings is something gtk/gnome
>> uses
>> >>

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment on Dual Screens

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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Jeff Hoogland  wrote:
> Had a user post this on our forums today:
>
> "Finally got Bodhi installed on my dual-monitor system. Works nicely, but
> there are some idiosyncrasies pertaining to viewing and accessing windows
> and workspaces on multiple monitors.
>
> 1. The TaskBar is the only way to see windows from both monitors in one
> place, but it gets very busy when there's more than a few windows in the
> list.
> 2. Engage only displays on the primary monitor and only shows windows from
> the primary monitor; it ignores windows from the secondary monitor.

add an engage instance on the second screen. maybe one could add a
mirror mode as default which starts a new instance with the same
config on new screens

> 3. Scale only works on the active monitor; it won't show windows from both
> monitors at once.

thats how it works currently

> 4. When there's a Bodhi menu active on the screen, you can't move the mouse
> off the active monitor.
>
> Rich "
>
> Any suggestions for any of his issues? I've not played with E on a dual head
> before.
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Re: [e-users] Everything hidden by maximised windows: How to change that?

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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Alex Baer  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I use e17 with Engage (GREAT!) and I use Everything as starter. Now, when
> maximise an application window, the taskbar and launcer of Engage are still
> accessible, as they "overlay" the application window. But Everything behind
> the window.
>
> Is there a way to put Everything always to the foreground, instead of having
> maximised windows hide it?
>
this seems to be a bug. do you mean fullscreen windows or maximized
(they are on different layers unless 'allow windows to be above
fullscreen' option is set)? in both cases Evry should appear above the
window.

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Re: [e-users] gnome-settings-daemon not working

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Andreas Volz  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I updated yesterday to recent E17 and now I couldn't get Gnome (theme)
> Support working.
>
>> gnome-settings-daemon
> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3020): WARNING **: Failed to acquire
> org.gnome.SettingsDaemon
>
> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3020): WARNING **: Could not acquire name
>
> I found the new setting "Start GNOME services on login", but it doesn't
> change anything.
>
> Any ideas how to get Gnome (theme) support back to E17?
>
Theres is now gnome theme support within e17 under look->applications.
there you can also disable e's xsettings support if you need to use
gsd for other reasons. Gtk font can be change with look->fonts by
changing 'Applications' font class. I have to come up with a solution
for these conflicting options though..

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Re: [e-users] Auto hide of engage module become invalid

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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:45 PM, duduba  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>  I update e to the recent revision ( after r64059 ) and the 'hide when window
> overlaps' configuration of engage module become invalid.
>
>  Is there a way to fix this?
>

there was an issue with applying new autohide settings without
reloading the instance which should be fixed now.

Regards,
Hannes

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Re: [e-users] gnome-settings-daemon not working

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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Andreas Volz  wrote:
> Am Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:31:14 +0100 schrieb hannes.janet...@gmail.com:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Andreas Volz 
>> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I updated yesterday to recent E17 and now I couldn't get Gnome
>> > (theme) Support working.
>> >
>> >> gnome-settings-daemon
>> > ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3020): WARNING **: Failed to acquire
>> > org.gnome.SettingsDaemon
>> >
>> > ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3020): WARNING **: Could not acquire name
>> >
>> > I found the new setting "Start GNOME services on login", but it
>> > doesn't change anything.
>> >
>> > Any ideas how to get Gnome (theme) support back to E17?
>> >
>> Theres is now gnome theme support within e17 under look->applications.
>> there you can also disable e's xsettings support if you need to use
>> gsd for other reasons. Gtk font can be change with look->fonts by
>> changing 'Applications' font class. I have to come up with a solution
>> for these conflicting options though..
>
> Ok, thanks. This is working. For some reason not all themes are working
> and I had to disable "try to match E17 theme". But I hope this will
> improve...
>
using detourious theme, eh? it comes with a gtk theme you should install then ;)
and yes, that option should check if the gtk theme (which is suggested
by e17 theme) actually is installed.

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Re: [e-users] gnome-settings-daemon not working

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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Andreas Volz  wrote:
> Am Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:31:14 +0100 schrieb hannes.janet...@gmail.com:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Andreas Volz 
>> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I updated yesterday to recent E17 and now I couldn't get Gnome
>> > (theme) Support working.
>> >
>> >> gnome-settings-daemon
>> > ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3020): WARNING **: Failed to acquire
>> > org.gnome.SettingsDaemon
>> >
>> > ** (gnome-settings-daemon:3020): WARNING **: Could not acquire name
>> >
>> > I found the new setting "Start GNOME services on login", but it
>> > doesn't change anything.
>> >
>> > Any ideas how to get Gnome (theme) support back to E17?
>> >
>> Theres is now gnome theme support within e17 under look->applications.
>> there you can also disable e's xsettings support if you need to use
>> gsd for other reasons. Gtk font can be change with look->fonts by
>> changing 'Applications' font class. I have to come up with a solution
>> for these conflicting options though..
>
> Ok, thanks. This is working. For some reason not all themes are working
> and I had to disable "try to match E17 theme". But I hope this will
> improve...

ok, you were right there was an 'else' too much..

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Re: [e-users] Gtk / gnome-settings-daemon / Gnome3 ...

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Hi,

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Daniel Kasak  wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Since my distro went to Gnome3 & Gtk3 ... I haven't been able to get Gtk
> theming working under E17. I used to start gnome-settings-daemon by
> adding it to my ~/.e/e/applications/startup/.order
>
> This no longer works. I've also tried toggling E17's Settings ==> Apps
> ==> Desktop Environments ==> 'Start GNOME services on login'. This
> doesn't work either. I get the default Gtk2 / Gtk3 theme, which looks
> like arse.
>
> I can use a tool like lxappearance to set my ~/gtk-3.0/settings.ini and
> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ... but this doesn't seem to work for Gtk3 apps ( it does
> for Gkt2 apps ), and also it's not in sync with what I've selected under
> Gnome3.
>
> Is there some trick to getting theming of Gtk2 & Gtk3 apps working by
> using gnome-settings-daemon?
>

yes, there is an option in look->applications->'enable settings
daemon' which makes e17 manage xsettings. it needs to be disabled to
make gnome-settings-daemon work. Maybe it would be good to add the
option to use gnome-settings-daemon to that dialog (and graying out
the other settings when enabled) to avoid confusion.

Regards

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Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler  wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:26:15 +0200 Francois  said:
>
>>
>> Jeremy Quandt > > 20problem>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I am using an Ubuntu 11.10 machine,
>> > with the
>> > ppa
>> > https://launchpad.net/%7Ehannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn and I
>> > work daily using Eclipse to code and I often have window focusing
>> > problems. For
>> > java I have setup to use Sun's java
>> > (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java).
>> >
>> > I do have the GNOME Settings Daemon and a number of other Ubuntu stuff
>> > launched
>> > on startup, namely just to get the GTK windows looking right in
>> > addition to the
>> > network and proxy pieces working correctly. There is no ecomorph
>> > running or
>> > compiz. Mouse focus is set to click to focus.
>> >
>> > I really like e17, but the conflicts with Eclipse focusing is getting
>> > harder to
>> > accept. I haven't been able to fully list steps to reproduce yet, but
>> > some of
>> > the symptoms I have are as follows:
>> >
>> > 1.) Edit window looses focus (greyed out). If the text buffer has
>> > changed it
>> > won't allow me to save. File context "Save All" is also disallowed
>> > even though
>> > the buffer shows change. To save the file I have to close the tab for
>> > the file,
>> > which will then prompt me to save the file. I then have to dig through my
>> > project to reopen the file.
>> >
>> > 2.) Select text in an editor for a file, find and Replace window (I
>> > have mapped
>> > to CTRL+F) when invoked will appear but the editor has lost focus so
>> > the "Find"
>> > button will be greyed out until the editor window is selected and the
>> > Find &
>> > Replace window is reselected.
>> >
>> > 3.) When debugging, the thread stack doesn't always allow switching a
>> > thread
>> > (seems to ignore the click).
>> >
>> > On a side note, Mono (debugger) also will crash when hovering over a
>> > variable in
>> > the watch window. A tooltip usually displays extended values of the
>> > variable
>> > (like a full string).
>> >
>> > Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will try to see if I can
>> > get the
>> > issue to be reproducible.
>>
>>
>> For the record, I do experience similar problems, which disapear when I
>> switch to Gnome, so it really seems to be a window manager problem.  The
>> point 1) above is really annoying for me.
>>
>>   I use E17 from trunk with easy_e17.sh script on a Debian Sid machine,
>> with an Eclipse 3.7.1 and a Java 7 (openJDK) JVM.
>>
>> I don't know how I could help solving these issues, but if I can help, I
>> will be glad to.
>
> i'm going to give something very non-positive here now. look for mentions of
> the word java in e17's src. and then look for the swear words right near it.
> here is the reality of things:
>
> java's awt is built to emulate a windows style focus and behavior world.
> having read some of its x11 layer code, it looks like it's written by some
> junior programmer with little to no idea about x11. it tries make a x11+wm
> world appear like the windows world. reality is that this is nigh impossible.
> and doing so to work across wm's needs high levewls of skill, knowledge,
> experience and needs care and effort. java has code (i've read it before)
> SPECIFICALLY to detect a range of window managers and work around them, do
> weird and wonderful things in each situation, and try all sorts of tricks to 
> get
> things to happen that it wants.
>
> fact is that java doesn't respect icccm/netwm/x11 correctly and does hacks to
> get its "write once, run anywhere" to work. i gave up working around java a
> long time ago. i'm down to not really caring anymore as i've sunk 100's of
> hours of trying to find "bugs" in e only to find it's java being a "dick". i
> have little patience or time to bother anymore.
>
> patches (that don't totally screw e17's src) accepted. :)
>

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=59639

seems like a eclipse bug with focus-window-under-mouse, should work
when setting e's window focus to click-to-focus. I'm also currently
not in the mood to fix this. But maybe I'll look after it some day.

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Re: [e-users] e17 and eclipse - focus problem

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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 12:47 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler  
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:26:15 +0200 Francois  said:
>>
>>>
>>> Jeremy Quandt >> <mailto:quand...@hotmail.com?Subject=Re:%20%20e17%20and%20eclipse%20-%20focus%
>>> 20problem>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I am using an Ubuntu 11.10 machine,
>>> > with the
>>> > ppa
>>> > https://launchpad.net/%7Ehannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn and I
>>> > work daily using Eclipse to code and I often have window focusing
>>> > problems. For
>>> > java I have setup to use Sun's java
>>> > (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java).
>>> >
>>> > I do have the GNOME Settings Daemon and a number of other Ubuntu stuff
>>> > launched
>>> > on startup, namely just to get the GTK windows looking right in
>>> > addition to the
>>> > network and proxy pieces working correctly. There is no ecomorph
>>> > running or
>>> > compiz. Mouse focus is set to click to focus.
>>> >
>>> > I really like e17, but the conflicts with Eclipse focusing is getting
>>> > harder to
>>> > accept. I haven't been able to fully list steps to reproduce yet, but
>>> > some of
>>> > the symptoms I have are as follows:
>>> >
>>> > 1.) Edit window looses focus (greyed out). If the text buffer has
>>> > changed it
>>> > won't allow me to save. File context "Save All" is also disallowed
>>> > even though
>>> > the buffer shows change. To save the file I have to close the tab for
>>> > the file,
>>> > which will then prompt me to save the file. I then have to dig through my
>>> > project to reopen the file.
>>> >
>>> > 2.) Select text in an editor for a file, find and Replace window (I
>>> > have mapped
>>> > to CTRL+F) when invoked will appear but the editor has lost focus so
>>> > the "Find"
>>> > button will be greyed out until the editor window is selected and the
>>> > Find &
>>> > Replace window is reselected.
>>> >
>>> > 3.) When debugging, the thread stack doesn't always allow switching a
>>> > thread
>>> > (seems to ignore the click).
>>> >
>>> > On a side note, Mono (debugger) also will crash when hovering over a
>>> > variable in
>>> > the watch window. A tooltip usually displays extended values of the
>>> > variable
>>> > (like a full string).
>>> >
>>> > Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will try to see if I can
>>> > get the
>>> > issue to be reproducible.
>>>
>>>
>>> For the record, I do experience similar problems, which disapear when I
>>> switch to Gnome, so it really seems to be a window manager problem.  The
>>> point 1) above is really annoying for me.
>>>
>>>   I use E17 from trunk with easy_e17.sh script on a Debian Sid machine,
>>> with an Eclipse 3.7.1 and a Java 7 (openJDK) JVM.
>>>
>>> I don't know how I could help solving these issues, but if I can help, I
>>> will be glad to.
>>
>> i'm going to give something very non-positive here now. look for mentions of
>> the word java in e17's src. and then look for the swear words right near it.
>> here is the reality of things:
>>
>> java's awt is built to emulate a windows style focus and behavior world.
>> having read some of its x11 layer code, it looks like it's written by some
>> junior programmer with little to no idea about x11. it tries make a x11+wm
>> world appear like the windows world. reality is that this is nigh impossible.
>> and doing so to work across wm's needs high levewls of skill, knowledge,
>> experience and needs care and effort. java has code (i've read it before)
>> SPECIFICALLY to detect a range of window managers and work around them, do
>> weird and wonderful things in each situation, and try all sorts of tricks to 
>> get
>> things to happen that it wants.
>>
>> fact is that java doesn't respect icccm/netwm/x11 correctly and does hacks to
>> get its "write once, run anywhere" to work. i gave up working around java a
>> long time ago. i'm down to not really caring anymore as i've sunk 100's

[e-users] [announce] ubuntu enlightenment ppa for precise added

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Hi,

I've updated my svn-builds ppa, fixed stuff and added packages for precise:
https://launchpad.net/~hannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn/

Please let me know when you have an EFL based apps that you think
should be in there too


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Re: [e-users] Ubuntu enlightenment ppa for precise added

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On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:35 AM, yunn  wrote:
> Hi Hannes,I first give my congratulations for this announce about precise
> and for you ppa, than I have been using much time.
>
> I've seen that has included ecomorph but there is a problem with
> dependencies about ecomorph-core.

let's see if it still builds so far only dependencies were missing.
but frankly i would only use with my old x40 as  its driver does not
support gl shaders. the project is dead. for the things i liked it
there is comp-scale now.

> Also I wanted to make a suggestion. The build packages sometimes fail and
> this is a problem. Could you have other ppa only for build good ?
>

if there is a easy way to save a working snapshot of svn builds to
another repository this would be really good. i found a reference to
copy-package.py but not the code..
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration. marking each package
each time on launchpad for copying is not sth that i'll do regularly


Regards,
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Re: [e-users] [announce] ubuntu enlightenment ppa for precise added

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On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM, minimec  wrote:
> Hi Hannes
>
> Would the Launchpad 'ppa builder' allow you to compile a armhf repository
> along the i386/amd64 repos? Keeping a svn e17-version uptodate manually,
> takes a lot of time on these low CPU/Ram machines.
>
Just checked; seems one still needs to ask for arm builds. they are
not available by default.


Regards,
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> THX for your work.
> Martin
> Am 12.05.2012 06:40 schrieb "hannes.janet...@gmail.com" <
> hannes.janet...@googlemail.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've updated my svn-builds ppa, fixed stuff and added packages for precise:
>> https://launchpad.net/~hannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn/
>>
>> Please let me know when you have an EFL based apps that you think
>> should be in there too
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
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Re: [e-users] [announce] ubuntu enlightenment ppa for precise added

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On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, minimec  wrote:
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> I do certainly not know, how much time it would need to ask for an
> armhf build permission and its setup. All I can tell you is, that the
> Ubuntu armhf distro is amazingly complete, and that there is not
> difference to any i386/amd64 compilation, regarding e17.
>
> In general we can assume, that an e17 armhf ppa would be a valuable
> addition to the Ubuntu armhf distro, running on devices like the Asus
> Transformer (prime) or my Toshiba AC100.
>
Sure it would be good to have an arm builds ppa. Though i would
suggest to make a separate project for this as I dont have the time to
manage it nor hardware to test. Also it would be better to use the
released libraries instead of my constantly failing svn builds i
guess.

> Again I thank you for your work on that ppa generally.

yw :)

>
> regards
> Martin
>
> 2012/5/13 hannes.janet...@gmail.com :
>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM, minimec  wrote:
>>> Hi Hannes
>>>
>>> Would the Launchpad 'ppa builder' allow you to compile a armhf repository
>>> along the i386/amd64 repos? Keeping a svn e17-version uptodate manually,
>>> takes a lot of time on these low CPU/Ram machines.
>>>
>> Just checked; seems one still needs to ask for arm builds. they are
>> not available by default.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hannes
>>
>>> THX for your work.
>>> Martin
>>> Am 12.05.2012 06:40 schrieb "hannes.janet...@gmail.com" <
>>> hannes.janet...@googlemail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've updated my svn-builds ppa, fixed stuff and added packages for precise:
>>>> https://launchpad.net/~hannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn/
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know when you have an EFL based apps that you think
>>>> should be in there too
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Hannes
>>>>
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Re: [e-users] How can I clear or edit the Everything Launcher's command history?

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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:49 PM, JtWdyP  wrote:
> The Subject says it all...
>
> How can I clear or edit the Everything Launcher's command history?
>

No history editor available, though there are some keys documented for
'cheat sorting'
http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Gadgets/Everything

or you can extract, edit, and recompile:
eet -d  ~/.e/e/config/_profile_/module.everything.cache.cfg config evry.txt
for the more advanced, but nothing in between

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Re: [e-users] Shadow module: Incorrect shadow cast

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On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Alguien Alguien  wrote:
> Hi and good afternoon.
>
> The problem: Bad behavior with shadow module.
>
> A brief description:
>
> Composite module: unloaded
> Shadow module: loaded
>
>
> Windows only cast shadows to desktop and not to other windows.

that is exactly what dropshadow module should do :) drawing shadow
onto other windows requires compositing

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Re: [e-users] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha8

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evry theme looks awesome. very nice transition :)

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 wrote:
> I have no comments to add to this release other than to say it's a good one.
> And that it reminds me of March.
>
>
> Changelog:
> * Translation updates
> * Language changes now always trigger a restart
> * XDG paths should no longer contain duplicate entries
> * Fileselector no longer fails to open some files
> * First-run wizard no longer waits unnecessarily long on subsequent runs
> * FreeBSD warning fixes
> * Disabling tiling module now restores original border geometry
> * Composite module now uses black as its client fill color
> * Desktop gadgets no longer cause crashes when immediately deleted from the
> config dialog
> * Connman network list now sizes based on a percentage of screen size
> * Various memory leaks plugged
> * Filemanager once again is able to open symlinks to directories using
> in-place opening
> * Most config dialogs have been made non-resizable
> * Everything will now hide on desklock
> * enlightenment_start no longer ptraces while valgrinding
> * More wallpapers added (Provided by Nicolas Beaumont
> http://www.nicolas-beaumont.fr/)
> * Compile fixes for various E17 utilities
> * Crash reduction in Everything launcher
> * Keybindings config dialog no longer randomly changes bindings when
> scrolling quickly through list
> * Filemanager windows no longer appear outside screen limits
> * "Focus" option in window switcher config dialog now functions correctly
> * Cut/Copy/Paste now function more correctly in certain text entries
> * Menus are now limited to screen size
> * Filemanager sidebar scrollbars no longer appear unnecessarily
> * Mixer can now set volume to 100%
> * Closing applications started by E17 no longer sometimes triggers a crash
> * Pointer slide (to/from new windows) is now more reliable
> * Revert focus now works correctly for mouse focus
> * Pointer slide no longer sets focus during slide
> * THEME: Battery
> * THEME: Everything
>
> * E17 ALPHA8 - 80174
> http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/enlightenment-0.17.0-alpha8.tar.gz
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Re: [e-users] Exebuf problems

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On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Andreas Volz  wrote:
> Am Wed, 5 Dec 2012 07:49:26 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
> Rasterman):
>
>> On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 14:46:20 +0100 thomasg 
>> said:
>>
>> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Carsten Haitzler
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 21:08:44 + rob 
>> > > said:
>> > >
>> > > > On 03/12/12 17:37, Andreas Volz wrote:
>> > > > > Hello,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I've some problems to run some applications in Exebuf module
>> > > > > placed in ~/bin folder. I put a script there and shell could
>> > > > > run it from any folder. But Exebuf couldn't run it. Even
>> > > > > restart E17 didn't help.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Do you get same experience?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > regards
>> > > > > Andreas
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Haven't been able to use/load since start of alpha*s. Assumed
>> > > > its no longer included.
>> > >
>> > > exebuf was removed and replaced by evrything years ago.
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm pretty sure Andreas is talking about Everything's "Exebuf" mode
>> > which is Everythings Execute mode which has been dubbed "Exebuf"
>> > for legacy reasons when it replaced the actual Exebuf.
>> >
>> > Anyway, the Exebuf-mode does not allow me to execute scripts from
>> > local PATHs, even if I set them in E's own Env dialog.
>>
>> i put scripts in ~/s. i just went to e's environment config and
>> explicitly set my PATH to include /home/raster/s (along with the
>> usual suspects, and then some)... and in ervything i can no run my
>> xephyr wrapper script no problems just by typing its name - no full
>> path needed either. the PATH env is used. empty xephyr window pops up
>> on screen. it works. at least for me.
>
> Today I tried it again and it works. Even if I create new scripts in
> ~/bin. But I'm 100% sure it wasn't working! And I didn't recompile
> until this time...
>

yes,  there was indeed a bug in exebuf plugin between April and
November which made it not load new entries from PATH. I wasnt sure if
you meant the evry plugin either

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Re: [e-users] Logout from Everything Launcher

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On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Wawrzek Niewodniczanski
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I like Everything Launcher a lot, but couldn't find the way to run
> Logout/Power Off/... command using it.
>
> What's the trick?
>
no trick, we all wish for it.. there should be a module to run any e-actions

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Re: [e-users] Beginner question on modularity of E17

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I guess your real question is already answered... just for the
modularity part: if  haskell could be used as embedded interpreter it
should be possible to write a module for e17 that provides hooks to
run XMonad window management functions within enlightenment. tiling
and illume module replace lots of the window managing logic for
example :)

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> For a while now I've been running parts of LXDE together with XMonad
> on Arch Linux, but lately I've been looking around for options to
> LXDE.  I really like what I've seen of Enlightenment, it's quick and
> still very shiny.  Of course there are some things left before it's
> completely production ready, e.g. I can't seem to get entrance to
> actually let me log in.  Anyway, I'd like to switch to E17 but so far
> I haven't found a way to use it together with XMonad.  Which leads me
> to sending this email.  Is it possible to get the "desktop experience"
> of E17, but swap out its window manager and use XMonad instead, in the
> same way that LXDE lets me replace Openbox?
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Re: [e-users] Beginner question on modularity of E17

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On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Magnus Therning  wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 02:53:28PM -0600, Esteban Monge wrote:
>> > I'm very new to Enlightenment so please forgive any ignorance and
>> > stupidity on my part.
>> >
>> > For a while now I've been running parts of LXDE together with XMonad
>> > on Arch Linux, but lately I've been looking around for options to
>> > LXDE.  I really like what I've seen of Enlightenment, it's quick and
>> > still very shiny.  Of course there are some things left before it's
>> > completely production ready, e.g. I can't seem to get entrance to
>> > actually let me log in.  Anyway, I'd like to switch to E17 but so far
>> > I haven't found a way to use it together with XMonad.  Which leads me
>> > to sending this email.  Is it possible to get the "desktop experience"
>> > of E17, but swap out its window manager and use XMonad instead, in the
>> > same way that LXDE lets me replace Openbox?
>> >
>> > /M
>> >
>> E17 has its own tiling window module
>>
>> You can activate it in:
>>
>> Menu - Preferences - Modules - Core - Tiling
>>
>> I tried it for some time... but I'm used to the normal method
>
> I activated it as well, but either I'm missing something crucial, or
> it simply doesn't work, because I noticed no difference at all.  On
> top of that I completely failed to find any documentation on how to
> use it.
>
iirc tiling is enabled in the config dialog in window settings by
setting the number of columns/rows greater than zero. the module also
adds a few actions that should be bound to preferred shortcuts. still
it is imo no replacement for  a tiling wm yet

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Re: [e-users] How to use input method with everything launcher, terminology and etc?

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On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Alex-P. Natsios  wrote:
> there is no attached pic also did you configure ibus the right way ?
> did you install an input framework with it ? (like ibus-anthy for jp
> or ibus-hangul for korean).
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Magicloud Magiclouds
>  wrote:
>> I have choose ibus in input method settings (as attachment pic), but in
>> terminology or everything launcher, I cannot even call up the IM, not
>> mention input other than English.
>>

for Evrything I know that it just uses the raw input. Looking at
edje_entry it does not seem that easy to add IM support.. It might be
possible to use edje_entry in evry, forwarding key events to entry and
reading its content back for search. Any suggestions? (asking the
devs)

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Re: [e-users] e17 lock on suspend

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i can confirm a probably related issue: when activating e17 screen
lock, then closing and opening lid then screen lock does not take any
input anymore

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Kevin Brandstatter
 wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> Gentoo standard portage repo. it says beta3 release, so the source may
> be slightly outdated. i havent tried the enlightenment overlay yet
>
> - -Kevin
>
> On 12/21/2012 02:43 PM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
>> This option seems to be fine on my Omega build ->
>> http://i.imgur.com/WMjlB.png
>>
>> How are you getting E?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Kevin Brandstatter <
>> kjbrandstat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just installed the omega in anticipation of the release.
>>
>> I used e17 for quite some time this summer but switched for some
>> bugs, however back to it now and theres one issue that i had before
>> and hasnt seemed to be resolved.
>>
>> It may have been covered, but the "lock screen on suspend" options
>> in the settings menu are grayed out. as i am on a laptop this is
>> important to me and would like to know if others had this problem
>> and hopefully a solution. Been searching the net about it for a
>> while and havent turned up anything promising
>>
>> -Kevin
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Re: [e-users] e17 lock on suspend

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On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 12:06 AM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> i can confirm a probably related issue: when activating e17 screen
> lock, then closing and opening lid then screen lock does not take any
> input anymore


ok, found the cause: lid was bound to 'System Controls' which grabs
input and is hidden behind desklock. anyway this is not default
config, but still should be fixed somehow. i.e. dont allow anything to
grab input while desklock is active.

while I'm at it: 'Processor' should probably not be an assignable ACPI action :)

>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Kevin Brandstatter
>  wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>>
>> Gentoo standard portage repo. it says beta3 release, so the source may
>> be slightly outdated. i havent tried the enlightenment overlay yet
>>
>> - -Kevin
>>
>> On 12/21/2012 02:43 PM, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
>>> This option seems to be fine on my Omega build ->
>>> http://i.imgur.com/WMjlB.png
>>>
>>> How are you getting E?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Kevin Brandstatter <
>>> kjbrandstat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just installed the omega in anticipation of the release.
>>>
>>> I used e17 for quite some time this summer but switched for some
>>> bugs, however back to it now and theres one issue that i had before
>>> and hasnt seemed to be resolved.
>>>
>>> It may have been covered, but the "lock screen on suspend" options
>>> in the settings menu are grayed out. as i am on a laptop this is
>>> important to me and would like to know if others had this problem
>>> and hopefully a solution. Been searching the net about it for a
>>> while and havent turned up anything promising
>>>
>>> -Kevin
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Re: [e-users] Truncated menus

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On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:57 PM, rob  wrote:
> On 27/12/12 12:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:51:19 + rob  said:
>>
>>> On 27/12/12 00:44, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:55:49 + rob  said:

> 17 Release: ZERO. EFL: 1.7.4 with new profile.
>
> Enlightenment Menu:
> Other menu stops after apps beginning with "G" (51st menu item)
> Multimedia menu has no apps after  "L" (51st menu item)
>
> Anybody else experiencing this?

 is it cut off at the screen edge? there isn't any code to limit the count 
 of
 items in a menu.

>>>
>>> Not quite. But both are the same length stopping just above the top of
>>> the shelf if activating menu from lower half of screen and vice versa.
>>
>> did it cut off at exactly an item.. or maybe partially through an item? ie is
>> it an exact pixel rather than item size?
>
> Exactly an item. Reduced font size to 7 pixels and MM menu now shows all
> items.
>
>

the maximum number of menu items seem to depend on screen height when
'text scaling' is not the default setting. I could reproduce with
navigate files menu. also when there are really many directories the
menu does not show at all in any case, maybe it should be limited as
it is unlikely that anyone will scroll  through 1000+ dirs by menu or
wants to wait for the menu to be build

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Re: [e-users] Truncated menus

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On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:57 PM, rob  wrote:
>> On 27/12/12 12:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:51:19 + rob  said:
>>>
>>>> On 27/12/12 00:44, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:55:49 + rob  said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 17 Release: ZERO. EFL: 1.7.4 with new profile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enlightenment Menu:
>>>>>> Other menu stops after apps beginning with "G" (51st menu item)
>>>>>> Multimedia menu has no apps after  "L" (51st menu item)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody else experiencing this?
>>>>>
>>>>> is it cut off at the screen edge? there isn't any code to limit the count 
>>>>> of
>>>>> items in a menu.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not quite. But both are the same length stopping just above the top of
>>>> the shelf if activating menu from lower half of screen and vice versa.
>>>
>>> did it cut off at exactly an item.. or maybe partially through an item? ie 
>>> is
>>> it an exact pixel rather than item size?
>>
>> Exactly an item. Reduced font size to 7 pixels and MM menu now shows all
>> items.
>>
>>
>
> the maximum number of menu items seem to depend on screen height when
> 'text scaling' is not the default setting. I could reproduce with
> navigate files menu. also when there are really many directories the
> menu does not show at all in any case, maybe it should be limited as
> it is unlikely that anyone will scroll  through 1000+ dirs by menu or
> wants to wait for the menu to be build
>

e_menu.c around line 1880 looks privileged to make trouble:
 if ((cur_items >= max_items) || (zh && ((ms + (2 * mh) >= zh) || (ms
+ (2 * mi->separator_h) >= zh
  {
 _e_menu_item_unrealize(mi);
 continue;
  }


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Re: [e-users] Truncated menus

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On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 1:10 AM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:57 PM, rob  wrote:
>>> On 27/12/12 12:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:51:19 + rob  said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/12/12 00:44, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:55:49 + rob  said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 17 Release: ZERO. EFL: 1.7.4 with new profile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enlightenment Menu:
>>>>>>> Other menu stops after apps beginning with "G" (51st menu item)
>>>>>>> Multimedia menu has no apps after  "L" (51st menu item)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anybody else experiencing this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is it cut off at the screen edge? there isn't any code to limit the 
>>>>>> count of
>>>>>> items in a menu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not quite. But both are the same length stopping just above the top of
>>>>> the shelf if activating menu from lower half of screen and vice versa.
>>>>
>>>> did it cut off at exactly an item.. or maybe partially through an item? ie 
>>>> is
>>>> it an exact pixel rather than item size?
>>>
>>> Exactly an item. Reduced font size to 7 pixels and MM menu now shows all
>>> items.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> the maximum number of menu items seem to depend on screen height when
>> 'text scaling' is not the default setting. I could reproduce with
>> navigate files menu. also when there are really many directories the
>> menu does not show at all in any case, maybe it should be limited as
>> it is unlikely that anyone will scroll  through 1000+ dirs by menu or
>> wants to wait for the menu to be build
>>
>
> e_menu.c around line 1880 looks privileged to make trouble:
>  if ((cur_items >= max_items) || (zh && ((ms + (2 * mh) >= zh) || (ms
> + (2 * mi->separator_h) >= zh
>   {
>  _e_menu_item_unrealize(mi);
>  continue;
>   }
>
>
as the menu could be larger than maximum X window size or rather
texture size one needs to calculate the menu size before and
if it is larger menu scrolling needs to be handled differently - i
guess it would be easiest to have a menu window of  screen height and
scroll the box holdings menu items

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Re: [e-users] losing letters on keyboard

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On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Gerald Brandt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have Kubuntu 12.10 installed, and I installed e17 from the hjanetzek
> PPA, which folows SVN.  I swicthed from a stable PPA to see if the
> problem went away.
>
> After running for awhile (minutes), some of the keys on my keyboard stop
> working.  For example, I open Konsole (or terminology) and type
> 'qwerty'.  What shows up on screen is 'qey'.  The letters are different
> every login.
>
> I've tried two keyboards as well.  Everything works great under Kubuntu.
>
> Any ideas?
>

e17 does modify X's keyboard settings for while. I've also seen the
issue with loosing keys when using e with my heavily modified xmodmap.
Try to delete all key bindings and reassign the ones in use.. On my
TODO is to add an option to fully disable e's xkb handling.

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Re: [e-users] losing letters on keyboard

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On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:19 PM, mik firestone  wrote:
> Do you have keybindings associated with the missing keys? I have this
> problem all the time when using vmware. Any key that I have bound to a
> shortcut simply stops working as soon as I type into a vm guest.
>

this sounds like a different issue than what I've had but most likely
also related to e_xkb. If you want to try you could disable it by
running this in ~/.e/e/config/_your_profile_/ while not being logged
into e:

 eet -d e.cfg config $2>&1 | sed -e '/^.*E_Config_XKB_Layout/,+5d' |
sed -e '/^.*xkb\./,+0d' > tmp && eet -e  e.cfg config tmp 1

> The fix (for me) is pretty simple. I turn on the numlock and that seems to
> make everything work again.
>
> Mik
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:33 PM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com <
> hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Gerald Brandt  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have Kubuntu 12.10 installed, and I installed e17 from the hjanetzek
>> > PPA, which folows SVN.  I swicthed from a stable PPA to see if the
>> > problem went away.
>> >
>> > After running for awhile (minutes), some of the keys on my keyboard stop
>> > working.  For example, I open Konsole (or terminology) and type
>> > 'qwerty'.  What shows up on screen is 'qey'.  The letters are different
>> > every login.
>> >
>> > I've tried two keyboards as well.  Everything works great under Kubuntu.
>> >
>> > Any ideas?
>> >
>>
>> e17 does modify X's keyboard settings for while. I've also seen the
>> issue with loosing keys when using e with my heavily modified xmodmap.
>> Try to delete all key bindings and reassign the ones in use.. On my
>> TODO is to add an option to fully disable e's xkb handling.
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Gerald
>> >
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Re: [e-users] losing letters on keyboard

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..ok, actually it is:
eet -d e.cfg config $2>&1 | sed -e '/^.*E_Config_XKB_Layout/,+4d' |
sed -e '/^.*xkb\.[c|o|d]/,+0d' > tmp
eet -e e.cfg config tmp 1

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Re: [e-users] Everything Module Speed

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Hi,

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Kevin Carr  wrote:
> I am noticing a sometimes significant (~15-30 seconds) speed issue with the
> Everything Module.  When I press WIN+Space, the module shows, but then
> takes up to 30 seconds before I can start typing anything.
>
> It appears to be loading something behind the scenes.  Is there a way to
> get the module to cache this so it doesn't happen every time?
>

I haven't seen this yet. could you try disabling plugins one by one to
see which one causes the slow down?
(in Settings -> 'Launcher' -> 'Evrything' -> Plugins Tab). I suspect
that it might be caused by efreet as it now uses a dbus daemon to get
Application items.


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Re: [e-users] Everything Module Speed

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Kevin Carr  wrote:
> If I turn off applications, it is immediate when I pull up the module.  All
> other plugins don't seem to make a difference.
>
> Thanks
>

hmm, ok. currently not sure how to remote debug this issue.. do you
use the efl release or svn?
maybe log of strace or valgrind --tool=callgrind running e might be
useful if you know how to get it :)

> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:35 AM, hannes.janet...@gmail.com <
> hannes.janet...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Kevin Carr  wrote:
>> > I am noticing a sometimes significant (~15-30 seconds) speed issue with
>> the
>> > Everything Module.  When I press WIN+Space, the module shows, but then
>> > takes up to 30 seconds before I can start typing anything.
>> >
>> > It appears to be loading something behind the scenes.  Is there a way to
>> > get the module to cache this so it doesn't happen every time?
>> >
>>
>> I haven't seen this yet. could you try disabling plugins one by one to
>> see which one causes the slow down?
>> (in Settings -> 'Launcher' -> 'Evrything' -> Plugins Tab). I suspect
>> that it might be caused by efreet as it now uses a dbus daemon to get
>> Application items.
>>
>>
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[e-users] [E-devel] new module: systray

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Hello,

the systray module will need some special handling to work with
itask-ng. It's already planned to make support for it, though it could
take some time til I get to this.

Regards,
Hannes


On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
 wrote:
> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>> For those that do not read svn commits mail list, I just added a
>> systray module to E-MODULES-EXTRA/systray. It is very basic but should
>> be able to replace trayer or stalonetray or any other tray you're
>> using outside e17.
>>
>> Please report bugs and suggestions.
>
> Cool... Now I've been able to replace the old e_systray module! ;)
>
> However I've tried to put it as a gadget of itask-ng and it has some
> (expected) issues (the icon is shown in the middle of the screen).
> Who should fix this? The systray module or itask-ng?
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Re: [e-users] Is E17 causing memory leak in X.org ?

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hi,
for me the xserver used up to 500MB after one day running. I found the
trigger for X's leaking to be e's animated idle mouse
pointer. try turn it off. maybe you could file a bug for xserver if
it's the same issue.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:03 PM, RocketIII
Scientist wrote:
> Hi
>
>  Lately I've been seeing huge memory consumption by the X-server and I've
> started to suspect some unexpected feature in E17... I'm building E17 from
> source, almost daily using easy17.sh script.
>
>  I write to this list because I guess people here are more capable of
> saying if it is so or not. I consider myself uncapable of that.
>
>  I'm running E17 both at home and at work (and on my Freerunner :-) ).
>  At work, with ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT card ("RV630 [Radeon HD 2600XT]") with
> dual DVI-connected displays, using the AMD/ATI fglrx driver (latest).
>
>  At home I have ATI Radeon HD3300 Integrated graphics on Asus M3A78-T mb
> using the opensource ATI driver.
>
>  The symptom of memory consumption is identical to both configurations and
> shows up after 1-2 days of running. Restarting enlightenment does not
> release any memory in X-server, instead I need to logout of X to resolve
> that. Once X managed to own all memory, including virtmem (swap) so all I
> could do was to recycle the PC (push the on/off button thatis).
>
>  Below you see the output of 'top', 'xrestop' and 'xdpyinfo' with various
> info. Please let me know if I can provide more info.
>
> // top - showing memory usage when X has been running for 2 days.
> top - 09:17:47 up 9 days, 18:48, 13 users,  load average: 0.17, 0.20, 0.11
> Tasks: 154 total,   1 running, 152 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie
> Cpu(s):  2.0%us,  2.8%sy,  8.8%ni, 86.5%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
> 0.0%st
> Mem:   2060356k total,  1634216k used,   426140k free,   153080k buffers
> Swap:  1108476k total,    88612k used,  1019864k free,   607680k cached
>
>  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+
> COMMAND
> 31639 root      20   0  932m 581m  13m S    8 28.9  49:34.87 Xorg
> 31676 isiz      20   0 31516  18m 8484 S    0  0.9  11:25.53 enlightenment
> ...
>
>
> // xrestop
> xrestop - Display: :0.0
>          Monitoring 17 clients. XErrors: 4
>          Pixmaps:   10913K total, Other:      74K total, All:   10988K
> total
>
> res-base Wins  GCs Fnts Pxms Misc   Pxm mem  Other   Total   PID
> Identifier
> 080    80   19    1    2  439    1K     13K  10013K 31676
> Enlightenment Background
> ...
>
>  Isn't the Pxm mem value a bit large ? (I'm using E17 default background
> image).
>
>
>  I found a link to a thread describing similar symptoms where they also
> suggest it's E17 problem...
> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13662
>
> // xdpyinfo shows
> name of display:    :0.0
> version number:    11.0
> vendor string:    The X.Org Foundation
> vendor release number:    1060
> X.Org version: 1.6.0
> maximum request size:  16777212 bytes
> motion buffer size:  256
> bitmap unit, bit order, padding:    32, LSBFirst, 32
> image byte order:    LSBFirst
> number of supported pixmap formats:    7
> supported pixmap formats:
>    depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32
>    depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32
>    depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32
>    depth 15, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32
>    depth 16, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32
>    depth 24, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32
>    depth 32, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32
> keycode range:    minimum 8, maximum 255
> focus:  window 0x164, revert to PointerRoot
> number of extensions:    35
>    AMDXVOPL
>    ATIFGLEXTENSION
>    ATIFGLRXDRI
>    ATITVOUT
>    BIG-REQUESTS
>    Composite
>    DAMAGE
>    DOUBLE-BUFFER
>    DPMS
>    DRI2
>    GLX
>    Generic Event Extension
>    MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
>    MIT-SHM
>    RANDR
>    RECORD
>    RENDER
>    SECURITY
>    SGI-GLX
>    SHAPE
>    SYNC
>    X-Resource
>    XC-MISC
>    XFIXES
>    XFree86-DGA
>    XFree86-DRI
>    XFree86-VidModeExtension
>    XINERAMA
>    XINERAMA
>    XInputExtension
>    XKEYBOARD
>    XTEST
>    XVideo
>    XVideo-MotionCompensation
>    glesx
> default screen number:    0
> number of screens:    1
>
> screen #0:
>  dimensions:    3200x1200 pixels (821x311 millimeters)
>  resolution:    99x98 dots per inch
>  depths (7):    24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
>  root window id:    0x8c
>  depth of root window:    24 planes
>  number of colormaps:    minimum 1, maximum 1
>  default colormap:    0x20
>  default number of colormap cells:    256
>  preallocated pixels:    black 0, white 16777215
>  options:    backing-store NO, save-unders NO
>  largest cursor:    64x64
>  current input event mask:    0x5e0033
>    KeyPressMask             KeyReleaseMask
> EnterWindowMask
>    LeaveWindowMask          StructureNotifyMask
> ResizeRedirectMask
>    SubstructureNotifyMask   SubstructureRedirectMask
> PropertyChangeMask
>  number of visuals:    81
>  default visual id:  0x23
> ...
>
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